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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: On Safety Razors and Technology • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ []Nov 24 00:00
DaemonFC[m]The Biden Administration needs to reverse that immediately by working with the Russian government to agree to restore the terms of the treaties, if possible.Nov 24 00:00
MinceRi doubt that will ever workNov 24 00:00
MinceRwho'd be stupid enough to trust putler to not violate nuclear treaties after he's violated the Budapest Memorandum?Nov 24 00:00
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DaemonFC[m]At least we avoided Trump's crackpot second term ideas, like going back to nuking ourselves to make sure they work. :)Nov 24 00:01
schestowitzAriadne: pleroma mentioned in Nov 24 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | On Safety Razors and Technology | Tux MachinesNov 24 00:01
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: ICBMs are a ridiculous idea that are part of an outdated defense posture.Nov 24 00:02
MinceRwhat's the replacement?Nov 24 00:02
DaemonFC[m]It's like battleships in a modern Navy, where they cost a ton and don't actually serve a purpose.Nov 24 00:02
DaemonFC[m]SLBMs.Nov 24 00:03
schestowitzMinceR: subsNov 24 00:03
MinceRcan the russian empire afford those?Nov 24 00:03
schestowitzseems DaemonFC[m] beat me to itNov 24 00:03
schestowitzI didn't know this acronymNov 24 00:04
schestowitz 24 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Submarine-launched ballistic missile - WikipediaNov 24 00:04
schestowitzthose are very simpleaNov 24 00:04
schestowitzand some subs can enrich and make those in-houseNov 24 00:04
schestowitzso they're 'self-sufficient' at killing lots of peopleNov 24 00:04
schestowitzby setting off nuclear reactionsNov 24 00:04
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's a nasty surprise that you can't pull off a first strike against.Nov 24 00:04
schestowitztakes only seconds from trigger to impactNov 24 00:05
DaemonFC[m]They just pull up, fire them, and that's it, and you don't need this ridiculous anti-ballistic missile stuff because it's already too late.Nov 24 00:05
schestowitzI think it's like 10 minutes for the large ballistic onesNov 24 00:05
schestowitzfor them to go up, accelerate, then downNov 24 00:05
schestowitzthey're incredibly fast only at their last phaseNov 24 00:05
DaemonFC[m]Yes, 10 minute launch cycle, give or take.Nov 24 00:05
schestowitzlike 17000km/hrNov 24 00:06
schestowitziircNov 24 00:06
schestowitzall that 'missle defense system' is crackpot shitNov 24 00:06
schestowitzcompanies that offer is are griftingNov 24 00:06
schestowitzyou can overwhelm them with fakesNov 24 00:06
DaemonFC[m]Speaking of crockpot.....Nov 24 00:06
DaemonFC[m]Tonight I'm making bison chili.Nov 24 00:07
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They have the "I was just in the middle of a lovely brunch." GIF on the Samsung keyboard from SG-1.Nov 24 00:08
DaemonFC[m]Ba'al: "IMPUDENCE!" O'Neill: "No....tuna.".Nov 24 00:08
MinceR:>Nov 24 00:09
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Then there was the minor spat with China on Bush's way out.Nov 24 00:09
DaemonFC[m]Wherein we competed with each other in the "Blowing up our own satellites with $3 million missiles" department.Nov 24 00:10
DaemonFC[m]But, nothing of the sort of international damage Trump has done.Nov 24 00:10
DaemonFC[m]If Biden wants to stimulate the economy, he's going to have to untangle this tariff mess at this point.Nov 24 00:11
DaemonFC[m]That was already causing the economy to sputter even before the collapse-o-virus.Nov 24 00:11
DaemonFC[m]It would provide immediate relief across the board.Nov 24 00:11
DaemonFC[m]Of course, no guarantee it would help.Nov 24 00:12
DaemonFC[m]Now that retailers have gotten people used to paying more, they could just decide to pocket it.Nov 24 00:12
superkuhThe only thing Trump did right was being hard on China. The problem was he alienated the rest of asia at the same time.Nov 24 00:12
schestowitz"choiyna"Nov 24 00:13
MinceRjynaNov 24 00:13
schestowitzlolNov 24 00:13
schestowitznice name... for a girlNov 24 00:14
MinceRif twitler was so hard on "jyna", why did he have products made there?Nov 24 00:15
schestowitzbut seeing how cheeto speaks of ivanka, he's say "fuck jyna"Nov 24 00:15
schestowitzMinceR: also MexicoNov 24 00:15
schestowitzChina and MexicoNov 24 00:15
schestowitzand still, with low-cost labour, 6 bankrupciesNov 24 00:15
CrystalMathsuperkuh: also he resolved a decades old conflict between Serbia and KosovoNov 24 00:15
CrystalMathwe still have a lake Trump, named after himNov 24 00:16
schestowitzand unlicensed maids working for himNov 24 00:16
schestowitzCrystalMath: is that what he calls the piss puddle at the hotel room?Nov 24 00:16
CrystalMathschestowitz: no it's an actual lake in my countryNov 24 00:16
schestowitzok, when you are done slashingNov 24 00:17
schestowitzmake sure to deflate your garden poolNov 24 00:17
schestowitzit's no lakeNov 24 00:17
schestowitz*splashingNov 24 00:17
CrystalMathwhat the heck are you talking about?Nov 24 00:17
schestowitzthere are places called after many horrible peopleNov 24 00:18
schestowitzinc. stalin and lenin in russiaNov 24 00:18
schestowitzdoesn't mean jackNov 24 00:18
CrystalMathit has an area of 12 square kilometersNov 24 00:18
CrystalMathi suppose it's not that bigNov 24 00:19
CrystalMathbut stillNov 24 00:19
DaemonFC[m]Comments sections are finally cleared up. Most of the trolls are gone.Nov 24 00:24
DaemonFC[m]Someone called Trump the $750 Man though which was mildly amusing. Nov 24 00:24
DaemonFC[m]I wonder how that guy on WISH-TV's Facebook page that was posting GIFs of a "Trump Train" to drown out intelligible conversation is doing. Nov 24 00:25
schestowitzTrump Train WreckNov 24 00:30
schestowitzCrystalMath: it's a political stunt 24 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kosovo and Serbia could name lake after Trump | The IndependentNov 24 00:31
DaemonFC[m]"Do I know any good lawyers? No. But I do know Rudy Giuliani." -Mr. Garrison as Trump on South ParkNov 24 00:31
schestowitzteNov 24 00:32
schestowitzthey can undo this stupidityNov 24 00:32
schestowitzthey could rename it lake COVIDNov 24 00:32
schestowitzbecause it's synonymous with the Trump regime nowNov 24 00:32
CrystalMathschestowitz: Trump has done a lot to help usNov 24 00:33
CrystalMathschestowitz: if the US election happened here in serbia, Trump would win with a landslideNov 24 00:33
CrystalMathremember what Biden said about us?Nov 24 00:33
CrystalMath 24 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Biden, 1993: “Serbs Are Illiterate Degenerates” – Anti-EmpireNov 24 00:34
CrystalMathremember what happened when Joe Biden visited? there were protestsNov 24 00:34
schestowitzyou are a covid denierNov 24 00:34
CrystalMathi'm not a covid denierNov 24 00:34
schestowitzyou don't help your national imageNov 24 00:34
schestowitzyou areNov 24 00:34
schestowitzminimiserNov 24 00:34
CrystalMathno, i'm just saying it like it isNov 24 00:34
schestowitzyou deny the severity of itNov 24 00:34
CrystalMathi rounded UP the number of deathsNov 24 00:34
CrystalMathit's actually only 1.4 million or somethingNov 24 00:35
schestowitzor worse,  you advocate mass deathNov 24 00:35
CrystalMaththis is not massiveNov 24 00:35
schestowitzas if you actual goal is to get many people killedNov 24 00:35
CrystalMaththere's 7.7 billion peopleNov 24 00:35
schestowitzit's a very dangerous idealogyNov 24 00:35
schestowitzand you read unabomber screedsNov 24 00:35
CrystalMathlike i said, covid cannot be the thing that will help us with our population problemNov 24 00:35
CrystalMathit simply has no capacityNov 24 00:35
CrystalMathto any degreeNov 24 00:35
CrystalMathso the whole point is mootNov 24 00:35
schestowitzoverpopulation is a thing and that can be tackled by reduction in birth rates, voluntarilyNov 24 00:35
CrystalMathabsolutely, that's what i advocateNov 24 00:36
schestowitzmy wife and I chose a long time ago to not reproduceNov 24 00:36
schestowitzand I know many couples that decided the sameNov 24 00:36
CrystalMatha voluntary reduction of birth rateNov 24 00:36
CrystalMathi decided to not have children, though i'm not a coupleNov 24 00:36
CrystalMathbut my decision is finalNov 24 00:36
schestowitzcovid is agony and painNov 24 00:36
schestowitzyou separate people from friends and family for goodNov 24 00:36
CrystalMathwhat do you mean?Nov 24 00:37
schestowitzand if that's not painting Serbs as cruel...Nov 24 00:37
CrystalMathyou mean by people dying?Nov 24 00:37
CrystalMathor lockdown crap?Nov 24 00:37
schestowitz 24 00:37
schestowitz"remove kebab" songNov 24 00:37
schestowitzlike a celebration of genocideNov 24 00:37
schestowitzand comparing people to cooked lambNov 24 00:38
CrystalMathwhat?Nov 24 00:38
schestowitz 24 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Remove Kebab - WikipediaNov 24 00:38
schestowitz"Remove Kebab is a phrase that originated in the online community surrounding a Serb nationalist and anti-Muslim propaganda music video[1] from the Yugoslav Wars.[2][3][4][5] The phrase has spread globally amongst Neo-Nazi groups and the alt-right as a meme which references and advocates for the ethnic cleansing of Muslims.[2][3][6] "Nov 24 00:38
schestowitzMaybe Biden saw shit like thisNov 24 00:38
CrystalMath 24 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Željko Grmuša – Karadžić, Lead Your Serbs / Serbia Strong Lyrics | Genius LyricsNov 24 00:39
CrystalMathi can translate these lyrics to youNov 24 00:39
CrystalMaththere's no talk of kebabsNov 24 00:39
CrystalMaththere's a stanza comparing serbian separatists to wolvesNov 24 00:40
CrystalMathit's meant in a positive light of course as this song was in favor of krajina separating from croatiaNov 24 00:40
schestowitzčevacNov 24 00:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Svetolik Dragačevac - WikipediaNov 24 00:41
schestowitz"Dragačevac was arrested by the Gestapo and taken to Belgrade, where he was interrogated. During his interrogation, Dragačevac attributed his authorship of the letter to Serbian nationalist zeal and excessive alcohol consumption"Nov 24 00:41
CrystalMath 24 00:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Operation Storm - WikipediaNov 24 00:41
CrystalMaththis is what they were talking about defending fromNov 24 00:42
CrystalMath200,000 refugees displacedNov 24 00:42
schestowitzYour position on things reaffirms nazi ideologyNov 24 00:47
schestowitzand your lack or reply is tellingNov 24 00:52
CrystalMathreply to what?Nov 24 00:55
schestowitz"Serbia is the only country in which the Jewish question and the Gypsy question has been solved."Nov 24 00:55
schestowitzDwork, Debórah; Robert Jan Pelt; Robert Jan Van Pelt (2003), Holocaust: a history, New York, N.Y.: W. W. Norton & Company, p. 184, ISBN 0-393-32524-5Nov 24 00:55
CrystalMathwhat!?Nov 24 00:55
CrystalMathwe have lots of jewish people and even more gypsiesNov 24 00:55
schestowitznot the pointNov 24 00:55
CrystalMathCroatia sided with the nazisNov 24 00:55
schestowitzyou advocate getting rid of peopleNov 24 00:55
schestowitzand then blame "nature"Nov 24 00:55
CrystalMathand if you check their demographicsNov 24 00:55
CrystalMathi don't advocate getting rid of certain peopleNov 24 00:56
CrystalMathi believe that the entire human race, with its technology, is a threat to the planetNov 24 00:56
schestowitzyou called yourself antihumanistNov 24 00:56
CrystalMaththat's not a popular opinion in serbiaNov 24 00:56
CrystalMathin fact, it would be considered far-left hereNov 24 00:56
schestowitzthe nazis started by killing the "Weak"Nov 24 00:56
schestowitzdisabled people and stuffNov 24 00:56
schestowitzTrumpland did the sameNov 24 00:56
CrystalMathmost people in serbia believe that god gave humans the right to rule over all the other creaturesNov 24 00:57
schestowitzwhat you believe it is a threat to human beings around youNov 24 00:57
schestowitzyou advocate spreading covid-19Nov 24 00:57
CrystalMathand that this god created everyone in 7 daysNov 24 00:57
CrystalMathspreading covid-19 is absolutely not going to lead to even the slightest dent in the populationNov 24 00:57
schestowitzthat's less harmful than your beliefsNov 24 00:57
CrystalMathnor do i advocate it reallyNov 24 00:57
DaemonFC[m]Trump's presidency was so bad that not only did he cost 12 million people whatever health insurance they had leading up to this, but you couldn't find a goddamned bottle of hand sanitizer for almost 5 months in.Nov 24 00:57
DaemonFC[m]We saw every grocery store in America get totally wiped clean for the first time in my life.Nov 24 00:58
CrystalMathschestowitz: maybe from a human-centric viewpointNov 24 00:58
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: clean your hands in a lake TrumpNov 24 00:58
CrystalMathschestowitz: i advocate for getting rid of the human-centric viewpointNov 24 00:58
CrystalMaththe world does not revolve around usNov 24 00:58
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I heard about that.Nov 24 00:58
superkuhAnd more important than hand sanitizer, 11 months in there's still not N95 mask production enough for even a fragment of the population.Nov 24 00:58
DaemonFC[m]Mom stashed like 4 of them.Nov 24 00:59
DaemonFC[m]I'm not going to be the one to say anything about that.Nov 24 00:59
MinceR"republicans" believe those absurd things tooNov 24 00:59
superkuhI bought 200 in 2006.Nov 24 00:59
CrystalMathi know, i argue with them MinceR Nov 24 00:59
CrystalMathi dislike the human-centric viewpointNov 24 00:59
CrystalMathyou have it too, though, just a different variantNov 24 00:59
superkuhI'm starting to run low now though.Nov 24 00:59
DaemonFC[m]It's everywhere in the facility because some of the employees are a bunch of people who calling them a fucking dumb piece of shit would be high praise.Nov 24 00:59
CrystalMathhumans will save the planet from the sun"Nov 24 00:59
CrystalMathyou refuse to let logic run its course to the final conclusion...Nov 24 01:00
CrystalMathif we evolved here through processes which are natural and start with an accidentNov 24 01:00
CrystalMaththere is NO purpose to our livesNov 24 01:00
CrystalMathand there is in fact no purpose to our livesNov 24 01:00
CrystalMathnihilism winsNov 24 01:00
CrystalMathas long as you let logic do its thingNov 24 01:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Valve Backs Zink Work • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ []Nov 24 01:00
MinceRCrystalMath: no, i don't have itNov 24 01:00
MinceRand no, i don't think humans will do itNov 24 01:00
CrystalMathMinceR: so you agree that there is no purpose to life?Nov 24 01:01
MinceRhumans believe themselves to be oh so intelligent and oh so civilizedNov 24 01:01
MinceRand if it was true, they could and would do itNov 24 01:01
CrystalMathohNov 24 01:01
MinceRbut they aren't, and instead they'll kill themselves off and a lot of other lifeforms too, and maybe even sterilize the planetNov 24 01:01
CrystalMaththen i was wrong about youNov 24 01:01
MinceRintelligent beings would be the only chance for this biosphere to live forever, and apparently humans are not itNov 24 01:01
CrystalMathbut, i don't hate life, in all its crueltyNov 24 01:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Walmart got so many Thanksgiving turkeys that they're giving them away with ibotta.Nov 24 01:02
CrystalMathi accept life (and therefore death) WITH all its crueltyNov 24 01:02
DaemonFC[m]It seems like "supplies limited" must be like, all of them.Nov 24 01:02
CrystalMatheven though i sometimes back down on thatNov 24 01:02
CrystalMathand claim to be an efilistNov 24 01:02
MinceRnihilism is not that there is no purpose to our lives, but that everyone gets to decide the purpose of their own lifeNov 24 01:02
DaemonFC[m]It's been ongoing for like 10 days now and the offer is still there.Nov 24 01:02
CrystalMathbut then bounce backNov 24 01:02
CrystalMathMinceR: no, that's relativismNov 24 01:02
CrystalMathMinceR: nihilism believes in an objective nothingNov 24 01:02
CrystalMathbut relativism is okay tooNov 24 01:02
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: With God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. ;)Nov 24 01:02
CrystalMathmy opinion on non-human life changes from the time to timeNov 24 01:03
CrystalMathaccording to my moodNov 24 01:03
DaemonFC[m]I saw that on Youtube and couldn't stop laughing. Nov 24 01:03
schestowitzturkey doesn't give a flying f*Nov 24 01:04
DaemonFC[m]The one where he drops a bunch of live turkeys out of a plane and they were landing everywhere and the radio station got a bunch of complaints.Nov 24 01:04
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MinceR 24 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Existential nihilism - WikipediaNov 24 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Who is the British ambassador anyway?Nov 24 01:04
CrystalMathturkeys can fly to a minimal extentNov 24 01:04
CrystalMathbut not for long and not highNov 24 01:04
MinceRwell, those turkeys did flyNov 24 01:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: sounds like pricks even worse than the slaughterersNov 24 01:04
DaemonFC[m]I always thought it was Mr. Bean.Nov 24 01:04
CrystalMathMinceR: indeedNov 24 01:04
MinceRthey were on board a flying plane, after allNov 24 01:04
vZS1Gobble gobble. Erdogan. Gobble gobbleNov 24 01:05
schestowitzlike the woman killed in a "hold your piss" contestNov 24 01:05
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "DaemonFC: sounds like pricks eve"> They didn't really do it, it was a skit. Nov 24 01:05
CrystalMathschestowitz: huh?Nov 24 01:05
schestowitzor the idiots who caused a nurse to commit suicideNov 24 01:05
schestowitzby shaming herNov 24 01:05
CrystalMathin mexico some people beat up a nurse in a busNov 24 01:05
CrystalMaththis yearNov 24 01:05
CrystalMathbecause of covid supposedlyNov 24 01:06
DaemonFC[m]I heard about the hold your piss woman.Nov 24 01:06
schestowitzmexico is cruel, the drug cartels behead peopleNov 24 01:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I really like Black Mirror.Nov 24 01:06
vZS1They do a lot worse than beheadingNov 24 01:06
DaemonFC[m]The episode Shut Up and Dance was my favorite until USS Callister. Nov 24 01:06
schestowitzvZS1: yes, better not talk of the detailsNov 24 01:06
schestowitzvZS1: beheading is too fast to count as tortureNov 24 01:07
vZS1IndeedNov 24 01:07
schestowitzbut it's deterrence/warning to othersNov 24 01:07
schestowitzlike people hanging off cranesNov 24 01:07
DaemonFC[m]Teenager was downloading porn on his laptop and got a virus and then he was being blackmailed to do a bunch of illegal shit by some internet troll.Nov 24 01:07
schestowitzmore so headless... or just a bunch of headsNov 24 01:07
DaemonFC[m]Who turned out to rat on him anyway after getting him involved in a bunch of stuff that was worse, and it turned out it was CP and the first person the troll showed was his mom.Nov 24 01:07
DaemonFC[m]Controversial episode for some reason.Nov 24 01:08
schestowitzyour ex John?Nov 24 01:08
DaemonFC[m]There's a lesson in each one of those episodes.Nov 24 01:08
MinceR24 020701 < schestowitz> vZS1: beheading is too fast to count as tortureNov 24 01:08
MinceRit could be done slowlyNov 24 01:08
DaemonFC[m]If you don't want compromising material out there, don't do nasty/illegal shit.Nov 24 01:08
schestowitzMinceR: that's what they doNov 24 01:08
schestowitzbut not just the headNov 24 01:08
schestowitzfingers, skin...Nov 24 01:09
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Well, after the CP, the troll got him to rob a bank and then do a bunch of other stuff leading up to killing a man while a drone recorded. Nov 24 01:09
schestowitzthere's a religion that celebrates a person nailed to a cross and left hanging with thorns in the headNov 24 01:09
DaemonFC[m]No, but at the time I joked with John "That's why they shouldn't use Windows.".Nov 24 01:09
vZS1Don't forget being speared to deathNov 24 01:10
DaemonFC[m]vZS1: I wonder if Trump's defeat sort of blew the last fuse in my dad's head or something.Nov 24 01:10
DaemonFC[m]He kept talking about Trump being on a mission from God.Nov 24 01:10
CrystalMathohNov 24 01:11
CrystalMathlike the blues brothersNov 24 01:11
DaemonFC[m]Then after he lost the election he said "Oh, he'll reverse all this fraud and keep going!".Nov 24 01:11
MinceR"Spirit of the One God avenge me!"Nov 24 01:11
DaemonFC[m]They can't even imagine a situation where, under the rules in place for our elections, he simply lost the election because enough people weren't buying it anymore.Nov 24 01:11
vZS1Can't really do much about people with that level of faith. It's called faith for a reason.Nov 24 01:12
CrystalMathTrump not being a savior doesn't mean one is not neededNov 24 01:12
schestowitzvZS1: in some countries people re-enact it on themselvesNov 24 01:12
superkuhI think more people are buying it than ever. It's just people that never bought it who used to vote third party voted for "not Trump".Nov 24 01:12
schestowitzto  make a point or prove their loyaltyNov 24 01:12
schestowitzor somethingNov 24 01:12
DaemonFC[m]The fact that both candidates lured so many people out who normally don't vote was what threw me.Nov 24 01:13
DaemonFC[m]How there were 7 million more people than last time duped by this asshole.Nov 24 01:13
schestowitz"election fraud"Nov 24 01:13
CrystalMathi was probably most enthusiastic about Trump in 2017Nov 24 01:13
CrystalMathit kinda went down from that point, but my fear of the others grewNov 24 01:14
CrystalMathi'm terrified of what Biden could do to the worldNov 24 01:14
DaemonFC[m]In the end though, I think Biden was a weak candidate and so many people had just had enough of Trump that he managed to turn out more marginally attached voters.Nov 24 01:14
CrystalMathwars, more surveillanceNov 24 01:14
CrystalMathmore censorshipNov 24 01:14
superkuhYes. Being not an asshole lets you get away with a lot.Nov 24 01:14
CrystalMathit's scaryNov 24 01:14
superkuhAs a president.Nov 24 01:14
superkuhBiden was always buddy/buddy with the MPAA/RIAA.Nov 24 01:15
superkuhSo in terms of software freedoms, yikes.Nov 24 01:15
CrystalMathit really is terrifyingNov 24 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but divided government.Nov 24 01:15
DaemonFC[m]I still doubt we're going to get a SOPA with the incoming Congress.Nov 24 01:15
CrystalMathand he'll kill Assange for exposing american crimes, he'll probably kill Chelsea Manning tooNov 24 01:15
superkuhRight. Hopefully nothing gets done. That's been my hope since Bush.Nov 24 01:15
vZS1I think they're not divided about patenting everything under the sunNov 24 01:15
superkuhDaemonFC[m], feds are feds are feds.Nov 24 01:16
DaemonFC[m]Well, I think the executive actions are coming.Nov 24 01:16
superkuhThe war on general purpose computation is bipartisan.Nov 24 01:16
schestowitz 24 01:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia - WikipediaNov 24 01:16
DaemonFC[m]But you can't really create new copyright law with those.Nov 24 01:16
DaemonFC[m]I'd encourage everyone to get a VPN, but you needed one under Trump more than ever too.Nov 24 01:17
DaemonFC[m]Ron Paul accidentally slipped up with SOPA.Nov 24 01:17
DaemonFC[m]He called it the Stop Online Privacy Act. Nov 24 01:17
DaemonFC[m]Which is what it was there to do, of course.Nov 24 01:17
MinceRlolNov 24 01:17
CrystalMathwell he's rightNov 24 01:17
schestowitzthey dropped the sopa at the endNov 24 01:18
MinceRwho bent over for it though?Nov 24 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, because they were far too hamfisted with it.Nov 24 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Realized that there would be consequences.Nov 24 01:18
vZS1Software I'm not too worried about. People can always smuggle software aboutNov 24 01:18
vZS1What worries me is hardwareNov 24 01:18
CrystalMathschestowitz: that was some truly dark times, but the occupation wasn't popular in serbia; we had the strongest resistance movements in europeNov 24 01:18
MinceRonly if they have general purpose computersNov 24 01:19
schestowitzI don't even want to picture that >> [01:18] <MinceR> who bent over for it though?Nov 24 01:19
MinceR:>Nov 24 01:19
vZS1YeahNov 24 01:19
vZS1That's the main worryNov 24 01:19
CrystalMathschestowitz: lots and lots of serbs were executed for hiding jews and gypsiesNov 24 01:19
superkuhRight. Lots of "trusted computing" and crap coming in next generation's hardware.Nov 24 01:19
MinceR"pluton"Nov 24 01:19
superkuhCPU that only work in the first mobo they're put in.Nov 24 01:19
vZS1Right to repair and stuff is getting decent media coverageNov 24 01:21
vZS1The heat can't stopNov 24 01:21
schestowitznot enough.Nov 24 01:21
schestowitz 24 01:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft’s War on the Right to Repair (One’s Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an ‘Enemy’ to Microsoft | TechrightsNov 24 01:21
vZS1Otherwise we're all screwedNov 24 01:21
CrystalMathvZS1: well there's always the TALOS workstationNov 24 01:22
CrystalMathand librebotNov 24 01:22
CrystalMath*librebootNov 24 01:22
CrystalMathand used old hardwareNov 24 01:22
vZS1But if they go too far China or some other country will step in to fill the voidNov 24 01:22
CrystalMathwhich void?Nov 24 01:23
DaemonFC[m]Bye Don Part 4: The part where he did, in fact, lose Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson.Nov 24 01:23
DaemonFC[m] 24 01:23
MinceRlolNov 24 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rush Limbaugh Criticizes Trump Campaign for Hyping Up 'Blockbuster' Voter Fraud Evidence: 'Nothing Happened… Not Good'Nov 24 01:23
vZS1There's still healthy demand for generic computer hardwareNov 24 01:25
CrystalMathrightNov 24 01:25
CrystalMathbut i think we need to go fully openNov 24 01:25
vZS1Hopefully these new products go the way Windows mobile didNov 24 01:25
MinceRreplaced by something even worse?Nov 24 01:25
psydroidgo as far as designing and manufacturing our own hardwareNov 24 01:27
DaemonFC[m] 24 01:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nearly Half of Americans Support Trump Running in 2024 As His Campaign Lawsuits Unravel: PollNov 24 01:27
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but they're assuming room temperature quickly now with the virus hoax.Nov 24 01:27
MinceRwe'll need chip fabs at home for thatNov 24 01:27
psydroidhopefully that will become a possibility soonNov 24 01:27
MinceRyeahNov 24 01:27
DaemonFC[m]"According to the U.S. Constitution, a president cannot serve any more than two terms of four years each. However, there is nothing in the constitution prohibiting an individual from serving non-consecutive terms as president. Former President Grover Cleveland served twice non-consecutively as the 22nd and 24th president, from 1885-1889 and 1893-1897."Nov 24 01:27
schestowitzvery big homeNov 24 01:27
DaemonFC[m]Yes, but that amendment didn't exist at the time.Nov 24 01:27
DaemonFC[m]Grover Cleveland could have served as many terms as he was elected to.Nov 24 01:28
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: correct, it seems that lots of people don't kow about the 22nd amendmentNov 24 01:28
CrystalMathneither did iNov 24 01:28
CrystalMathbut then again i'm not an american so i'm forgiven for thatNov 24 01:28
vZS1Companies won't stop producing generic hardware. There's too many markets aroundNov 24 01:28
DaemonFC[m]It was passed to prevent another FDR.Nov 24 01:28
vZS1Gamers, graphic designers, etc.Nov 24 01:29
vZS1Hobbyist marketNov 24 01:29
MinceRgamers are being pushed to consoles and online streaming services like stadiaNov 24 01:29
MinceRmany graphic designers already adopted crApple's bullshitNov 24 01:29
vZS1Steam us still thrivingNov 24 01:29
vZS1is*Nov 24 01:30
MinceRand crapOS is already making it difficult to run applications that come from outside crApple's walled gardenNov 24 01:30
vZS1Krita, Gimp, Blender, etc all have good market shareNov 24 01:30
psydroidSteam is tied to x86 and proprietary, which is enough reason for me to avoid itNov 24 01:30
MinceRit's also a DRM platformNov 24 01:30
schestowitzeverything rentedNov 24 01:30
schestowitznothing ownedNov 24 01:30
schestowitzclown, drm...Nov 24 01:31
psydroidI just wanted to say that tooNov 24 01:31
schestowitzstreaming is a clown formNov 24 01:31
MinceRand yes, technically the games you "own" on steam are actually just indefinite subscriptionsNov 24 01:31
schestowitzsubscription basicallyNov 24 01:31
MinceRthat they can end at any timeNov 24 01:31
schestowitzlots of patents on this vision of computing in the days of Vista/XPNov 24 01:31
vZS1Was talking more wrt hardwareNov 24 01:31
schestowitzhow to squeeze people for money without selling them 'updates'Nov 24 01:31
vZS1There is actually a growing number of DRM-free games on steamNov 24 01:32
schestowitzsome companies realise that they pay as much as a person's annual salary for some clown serviceNov 24 01:32
schestowitzand to get a server of their own would cost vastly lessNov 24 01:32
MinceRGOG is betterNov 24 01:32
schestowitzand they can hire one full-time staff to manage it for the same cost as 'clown'Nov 24 01:33
MinceRGOG is actually DRM-freeNov 24 01:33
vZS1But that doesn't really mean much. Steam is still a DRM platformNov 24 01:33
MinceRand it works without their launcherNov 24 01:33
schestowitzthe turf changedNov 24 01:33
schestowitzand fastNov 24 01:33
schestowitzsoftware always changes fastNov 24 01:34
schestowitzcompared to things like chemistryNov 24 01:34
vZS1You can play cracked versions of gamesNov 24 01:34
schestowitznow if linux winsNov 24 01:34
vZS1On custom serversNov 24 01:34
schestowitzwhatever "linux" even meansNov 24 01:34
vZS1This has been a thing since the dawn of online gamingNov 24 01:34
MinceRfor linux to win, it would have to free itself from the grip of microshit and SJWsNov 24 01:34
schestowitzwe end up with some weird monsters.... clown, 'secure boot', proprietary blobs with "hubs"Nov 24 01:34
schestowitzlike flathubNov 24 01:34
schestowitzand censorship at many levelsNov 24 01:35
MinceRand it would have to get rid of the CoCNov 24 01:35
schestowitzno need, MinceRNov 24 01:35
MinceRalso, it would have to stop making concessions to microshit and dehomagNov 24 01:35
schestowitzjust get a vasectomyNov 24 01:35
MinceRlolNov 24 01:35
vZS1Linux is already embraced by Microsoft. That's not going to change any time soon.Nov 24 01:35
schestowitzthey always embrace what they attackNov 24 01:35
MinceRif linux's developers wanted linux to survive, they could fork itNov 24 01:36
vZS1I didn't mean it in a nice wayNov 24 01:36
schestowitzneither did the python snakeNov 24 01:36
schestowitzand speaking of whichNov 24 01:36
MinceRand maybe adopt GPLv3 for new additionsNov 24 01:36
schestowitzthey embraced pythonNov 24 01:36
vZS1Microsoft is buying the market outNov 24 01:37
CrystalMathpython, CoC, .... what is it with these people and all the phallic symbolsNov 24 01:37
vZS1That's their MONov 24 01:37
vZS1We shouldn't be surprisedNov 24 01:37
DaemonFC[m]Do GoG games run in the Linux container on Chrome OS?Nov 24 01:37
schestowitznow there's a CONSORTIUM for banning wordsNov 24 01:37
schestowitzMicrosoft/VMWare and friendsNov 24 01:37
DaemonFC[m]That would be trippy. A DOS emulator in a Debian emulator on Chrome OS.Nov 24 01:37
schestowitz"community" = rudeNov 24 01:38
DaemonFC[m]Although I did build snes9x for Mandy in there and it seems to run Super Nintendo ROMs okay.Nov 24 01:38
schestowitz"GAFAM" = oNov 24 01:38
schestowitzpoliteNov 24 01:38
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: no ideaNov 24 01:38
DaemonFC[m]GAFAM!!!Nov 24 01:38
schestowitznb: communities don't bomb countries and sterilise women at ICE facilitiesNov 24 01:38
DaemonFC[m]See, this is why we wear masks.Nov 24 01:38
MinceRStrife: Veteran Edition ran fine on GNU/LinuxNov 24 01:38
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, these people won't be gone in four years. The people who supported this criminal regime won't all be gone.Nov 24 01:39
DaemonFC[m]Maybe with their leader in prison and some of them dead from COVID the next election won't be so close though.Nov 24 01:40
vZS1Valve have a big role to play in the GNU/Linux space. A lot of people are moving away from Windows because of Proton.Nov 24 01:40
MinceRsteamOS is systemd/Linux, thoughNov 24 01:40
MinceRand proton opens people up to lawsuits from the redmond mafiaNov 24 01:40
vZS1Didn't say it's a good or bad thingNov 24 01:40
MinceRseems like an exercise in doing everything wrongNov 24 01:41
MinceRlike most of the IT industryNov 24 01:41
vZS1But they're now a major playerNov 24 01:41
psydroidwith a major attack surfaceNov 24 01:41
vZS1Nobody should be relying on a gaming setup to be secure for anythingNov 24 01:42
MinceRindeedNov 24 01:42
vZS1That's just sillyNov 24 01:42
MinceRmy gaming machine is a separate laptop i don't use for anything security- or privacy-criticalNov 24 01:43
vZS1My machine for my sensitive data doesn't ever see the internetNov 24 01:43
vZS1Linux has a lot of drivers for Microsoft productsNov 24 01:46
vZS1I have a wireless adapter for the old 360 controllers and it has plug-and-play functionality on Debian/UbuntuNov 24 01:47
vZS1That one surprised meNov 24 01:47
vZS1What worries me is blobs getting into the source repoNov 24 01:49
vZS1I keep seeing more every couple weeksNov 24 01:50
vZS1I usually pull from Linus' git repo for the Linux source every SundayNov 24 01:51
vZS1I've been seeing a lot of stuff that is not Linux but driver supportNov 24 01:51
vZS1Most of it is merged in from third parties.Nov 24 01:52
vZS1Vast majority of the merges are completely undocumentedNov 24 01:53
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vZS1So Linus doesn't seem to be doing much actual programming.Nov 24 01:55
vZS1It's mostly just merging in things by othersNov 24 01:55
vZS1And there's not a lot of transparency about the context of the mergesNov 24 01:56
CrystalMaththat has been the case since 2010Nov 24 02:00
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but Steam doesn't like generic console controllers.Nov 24 02:18
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't like the PowerA wired switch controller, even though it's Nintendo certified.Nov 24 02:18
DaemonFC[m]Some games refuse to work with off brand XBOX 360 controllers.Nov 24 02:19
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CrystalMathhi gryNov 24 03:53
gryHi CrystalMathNov 24 03:53
CrystalMathhow are you?Nov 24 04:02
gryi'm ok, bit busy with simulationsNov 24 04:11
psydroidI consider Linux (the kernel) pretty much unsalvageable at this point, even though I am somewhat familiar with its internals and I am afraid I could say the same thing about many of the GNU tools, but what is most important is the spirit of free software that allows us to recreate such software by (possibly) studying the originals and writing replacements as neededNov 24 06:09
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Ariadnepsydroid: yes, at work, we are looking into hosting alpine on a linux abi-compatible microkernel setup similar to HURD (but that's future handwavy stuff)Nov 24 07:41
CrystalMathi thought about writing a GPLv3 UNIX-like kernelNov 24 07:46
CrystalMathbut i keep thinking... BSD is out thereNov 24 07:46
CrystalMathso whyNov 24 07:46
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vZS1psydroid: another important thing is access to the commit history. A lot of the garbage can be removed by studying the revision history.Nov 24 09:03
vZS1Package maintainers also try to smuggle in things under users' noses. Building from source is becoming more important to preserve user freedomNov 24 09:07
vZS1That's why it's important to archive the VCS repos of all the important projects.Nov 24 09:12
vZS1It doesn't really add up to much data.Nov 24 09:13
vZS1Probably less than 10GB for all the GNU stuffNov 24 09:14
vZS1There's stuff from all the BSDs as well.Nov 24 09:14
vZS1Which are important to archiveNov 24 09:15
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vZS1schestowitz: I've dug out an old laptop to serve as an IPFS node, for now. It runs plain Debian.Nov 24 11:13
vZS1I've decided to actually go for NetBSD on the Pi. Vast architecture support, which is what I need. Better performance then OpenBSD as well.Nov 24 11:14
vZS1than*Nov 24 11:14
schestowitzare they pratically better though?Nov 24 11:14
schestowitzseems like 'geek vanity'Nov 24 11:15
schestowitzlooking for steeper challengesNov 24 11:15
vZS1It's not about challengeNov 24 11:15
vZS1It's about portability and performanceNov 24 11:15
vZS1Those are the top two prioritiesNov 24 11:16
vZS1NetBSD has native support for many more architectures. Which means people have more freedom of choice when it comes to hardware. Which is a practical decision because not everyone has access to the same hardwareNov 24 11:17
vZS1The OS also has a much smaller resource footprint because it usually has to run in embedded hardwareNov 24 11:21
vZS1Which makes my life easier because I can build off their expertiseNov 24 11:22
psydroidI've also tried NetBSD on my OPi on and offNov 24 11:27
psydroidjust a USB keyboard didn't workNov 24 11:28
schestowitznetbsd is partly developed on google cash nowNov 24 11:30
schestowitzgsoc mainlyNov 24 11:30
schestowitzand maybe because they want a non-gpl kernel that is lightNov 24 11:30
schestowitzand they can leverage on the cheapNov 24 11:30
vZS1They support ODOROID and stuff OOTBNov 24 11:34
vZS1Which has some pretty good boards on offer. More accessible to some marketsNov 24 11:35
psydroidBenny Siegert from Google did a talk about ARMv8 support for NetBSD at FOSDEM last yearNov 24 11:38
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vZS1Need to do an IPFS implementation in C, one of these days. I have a friend who might be up to the task to help. He's an embedded personNov 24 11:44
vZS1The APIs aren't all that complicatedNov 24 11:45
vZS1I've already poked around the Go implementation a fair bitNov 24 11:46
vZS1They're building a Rust implementation so let's see how that turns outNov 24 11:48
vZS1The Go implementation takes up more resources than it needs to just because it's in GoNov 24 11:48
vZS1I don't fancy programming in Rust because no specificationNov 24 11:49
vZS1Nothing like glibc either and all the documentation to fall back onNov 24 11:50
vZS1At least Go has that going for itNov 24 11:50
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vZS1I got an IPFS node running on the old laptopNov 24 13:09
vZS1Next up. Get NetBSD working on the Pi.Nov 24 13:11
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XRevan86 "Passing by a school I hear an early-grader ask: "How did your parents vote, for Biden or for Trump"". Not enough context, I assume the quote is from Vladivostok.Nov 24 13:17
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schestowitzvZS1: cool!Nov 24 13:19
vZS1Since I have an IPFS node running all the time anyway, I use an IPNS object that points to an IPFS object with my IP address in it. Pointer is updated dynamically. Goodbye DNS.Nov 24 13:42
vZS1IPNS object is a static pointer Nov 24 13:43
vZS1The propagation time is pretty decentNov 24 13:45
vZS1I'll have to run more extensive tests later to get an idea of what the propagation time roughly settles at.Nov 24 13:46
vZS1Not having to deal with DNS and all its bullshittery is worth the effort.Nov 24 13:46
schestowitzDNS is oldNov 24 14:01
schestowitzit's an alias bookNov 24 14:01
schestowitznow we have so much storage on computersNov 24 14:01
schestowitz100 million of ipv4 address should not be muchNov 24 14:01
schestowitzeven to updateNov 24 14:01
schestowitz100mb for one byte eachNov 24 14:01
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schestowitzbut in one byte you can squeeze in more with compressionNov 24 14:01
schestowitzand over 90% of the entries are irrelevant for the most partNov 24 14:01
schestowitzparked and unused domainsNov 24 14:01
schestowitzso maybe in less than a gigabyte, with occasional updates, you can do away with centralised dnsNov 24 14:01
schestowitzyou could even hash the thingNov 24 14:02
schestowitzthen compressNov 24 14:02
schestowitzand pass updates in a p2p fashion like windows updateNov 24 14:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tony “Abolish (Pol)ICE” Arcieri 🦀 (@bascule): "Anyone need a 7-screen laptop?" | nitterNov 24 14:31
schestowitzMinceR: maybe handy for upcoming article...Nov 24 14:39
schestowitzdon't know any background info to thisNov 24 14:40
schestowitzbecause... "tweets"Nov 24 14:40
schestowitzjust a bunch of tl;drNov 24 14:40
schestowitzno substanceNov 24 14:40
schestowitzclick, comment, move onNov 24 14:40
schestowitzsomething about usabilityNov 24 14:45
schestowitzMinceR:  on why not use a tiny 'phone'Nov 24 14:46
schestowitzneed to think of the topicNov 24 14:46
vZS1Content-based addressing and DHTs make pretty good alternativesNov 24 14:51
vZS1There are options for running stuff like IPFS in "client-only" mode to reduce bandwidth usage.Nov 24 14:52
vZS1But right now it's still in the domain of engineersNov 24 14:53
vZS1It'll take a few years for the usability to catch up with torrentsNov 24 14:54
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schestowitzvZS1: ddos risk to increase todayNov 24 15:01
schestowitzbecause of things we publishedNov 24 15:01
vZS1What did you go and do now? lolNov 24 15:01
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schestowitz4 articles todayNov 24 15:03
schestowitzthey're mass-mailing the managersNov 24 15:04
schestowitz7,000 EPO workersNov 24 15:04
vZS1One of the days I'll set up an IPFS-backed websiteNov 24 15:05
vZS1For TRNov 24 15:05
vZS1Through the public HTTP gateway Nov 24 15:05
vZS1With all the objects I haveNov 24 15:06
schestowitzMinceR: 24 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Building A Large L-Shaped Desk For Accommodating Plenty Of Computers - PhoronixNov 24 15:06
schestowitzrecentNov 24 15:06
schestowitzvZS1: I manually convert the PDFs into htmlNov 24 15:07
schestowitzin turn, overnight, pypy will turn these into rich plain textNov 24 15:07
CrystalMathwow, so many color codes neededNov 24 15:07
schestowitzrich as in structure-awareNov 24 15:07
CrystalMathgood thing i have a 256-color browserNov 24 15:07
vZS1NeatNov 24 15:07
CrystalMathif i was on the tty, it would be only 16 and i couldn't read that pageNov 24 15:07
CrystalMath:PNov 24 15:07
vZS1Which libraries do you use?Nov 24 15:09
MinceRmust be nice to have room for a large deskNov 24 15:10
vZS1I think at that point just working with a projector is betterNov 24 15:16
vZS1Too many screensNov 24 15:17
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "must be nice to have room for a "> No need.Nov 24 15:25
DaemonFC[m]Laptops are all pretty fast these days, with the exception of the absolute cheapest stuff that comes with Windows.Nov 24 15:25
MinceRit's still nice to have room for input devices, displays, other peripheralsNov 24 15:26
psydroidand then you remove Windows and install an operating system that works, if possibleNov 24 15:26
MinceRpreferably separate display and input devices for computers that should be isolated from othersNov 24 15:26
MinceRi don't, so i use a usb peripheral sharing device insteadNov 24 15:26
MinceRs/don't/don't have room for those/Nov 24 15:27
DaemonFC[m]Many laptops seem to be getting rid of ports except for USB type C.Nov 24 15:31
MinceRmust be fun carrying a dongle around just so you can connect a keyboard, a mouse or a flash cardNov 24 15:33
DaemonFC[m]It's amazing how little of permanence got done under Trump and he still gets so many people adoring him.Nov 24 15:34
DaemonFC[m]Trump Don't Care basically flopped except for the individual mandate, which Obama didn't even want.Nov 24 15:34
DaemonFC[m]If someone is so retarded that they're willing to risk hundreds of thousands in medical debt to save a few bucks on health insurance, seems like we should let them anyway.Nov 24 15:35
CrystalMathwhy is it dumb?Nov 24 15:36
CrystalMathi mean in their case it might be, at least for many of themNov 24 15:36
CrystalMathbut some people don't care if they dieNov 24 15:36
schestowitzCrystalMath: next article will use 24 15:36
CrystalMathhmm?Nov 24 15:37
CrystalMathin what context?Nov 24 15:37
schestowitzyou will seeNov 24 15:38
CrystalMathi would be really disappointed if techrights were to write some stupid anti-serbian hit pieceNov 24 15:39
schestowitznoNov 24 15:40
DaemonFC[m]My mom keeps trying to paint me as some sort of evil person for voting for Democrats.Nov 24 15:41
DaemonFC[m]She keeps going back to abortion.Nov 24 15:41
DaemonFC[m]I said, frankly there's a lot of things in the world that might not be right, but where the alternative is even worse.Nov 24 15:41
CrystalMathTrump didn't ban abortionNov 24 15:41
DaemonFC[m]And we accept that and move on.Nov 24 15:42
CrystalMathnor would heNov 24 15:42
MinceRhe merely appointed a supreme court justice who willNov 24 15:42
DaemonFC[m]Nope, and even reversing Roe wouldn't meaningfully change the situation.Nov 24 15:42
CrystalMathMinceR: Amy Coney Barrett wasn't even his first choiceNov 24 15:42
DaemonFC[m]It wouldn't ban abortion. It might make it a little bit harder to get one for some people.Nov 24 15:42
MinceRCrystalMath: but they wouldn't take mike pants?Nov 24 15:42
CrystalMathMinceR: he had to pick her because of the republicansNov 24 15:42
DaemonFC[m]But red states have already done so much within Roe to get rid of it that getting rid of Roe wouldn't change much of anything at this point. Nov 24 15:43
MinceRyeah, and the "republicans" (including cheeto hitler) are christian fundamentalistsNov 24 15:43
CrystalMathBrett Kavanaugh explicitly said he wouldn't overturn Roe v. WadeNov 24 15:44
CrystalMathand it's not going to be overturned... it wouldn't be even after 500 years of TrumpNov 24 15:45
CrystalMaththeoreticallyNov 24 15:45
DaemonFC[m]Yes, and there's the Republicans who keep saying that every Republican on the court is a closet liberal who tricked them.Nov 24 15:46
MinceR:>Nov 24 15:46
DaemonFC[m]Because every issue that comes up, you're still arguing it to 9 people who have differing opinions on different issues, and there will always be uncertainty because of that. Nov 24 15:46
CrystalMathwell, i'm not a closet liberal, i'm openly libertarian, and i'm making the case that Trump is secretly libertarianNov 24 15:46
DaemonFC[m]Well, he was a Reform Party candidate in 2000.Nov 24 15:47
schestowitzCrystalMath: 24 15:47
DaemonFC[m]He did get some votes then.Nov 24 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lots of Good News Today | TechrightsNov 24 15:47
DaemonFC[m]But the Reform Party was just weird, right?Nov 24 15:47
DaemonFC[m]You had Jesse Ventura who was a guy who meant well that the Democrats and Republicans ganged up on.Nov 24 15:48
MinceR24 164649 < CrystalMath> well, i'm not a closet liberal, i'm openly libertarian, and i'm making the case that Trump is secretly libertarianNov 24 15:48
DaemonFC[m]But I'd probably vote for him for president if he ran as a major party candidate.Nov 24 15:48
MinceRthat would make keeping secrets the only thing he's good atNov 24 15:48
DaemonFC[m]It's not as important to me, that I agree with a candidate on every issue.Nov 24 15:48
MinceRare kim jong-un and putin "secretly libertarian" too?Nov 24 15:48
DaemonFC[m]Who I like more or dislike less is also a deciding factor.Nov 24 15:49
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: just another clue that you should be against having leaders entirelyNov 24 15:49
DaemonFC[m]If Trump hasn't had so many outbursts and so much openly toxic behavior, I think he would have pulled this one off.Nov 24 15:49
MinceRwhen the choices always come up as Bad vs Worse, it would be better to have neitherNov 24 15:49
DaemonFC[m]Perhaps by slim margins, but there's so many contributing factors to a win or a loss, that yeah....Nov 24 15:49
CrystalMathMinceR: of course notNov 24 15:50
CrystalMathMinceR: the great thing about russia is that you can hide in the tundrasNov 24 15:50
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's fun watching dad eat crow, though.Nov 24 15:50
DaemonFC[m]I told him that Trump would lose Michigan because of the new NAFTA.Nov 24 15:50
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DaemonFC[m]Where did the vote shift more towards Biden? Well, there were big jumps towards Biden even in counties that Trump won a second time, and a lot of that was displaced factory workers and stuff.Nov 24 15:51
CrystalMathschestowitz: nice article, i disagree that Trump is a fascist of course, but the rest is goodNov 24 15:51
CrystalMathschestowitz: i think there will be more challenges for software freedom with BidenNov 24 15:51
CrystalMathbut maybe i'm wrongNov 24 15:52
CrystalMathi just can't get myself to think Biden will be just like Obama and stuffNov 24 15:52
CrystalMathit just doesn't seem like it at allNov 24 15:52
DaemonFC[m]Won't be exactly the same, but the machinery that got him there is largely the same.Nov 24 15:52
MinceRhe was obama's VP, after allNov 24 15:53
DaemonFC[m]Obama people all around, and they know how to win elections. There wasn't much of that in place for Hillary Clinton.Nov 24 15:53
DaemonFC[m]The Democrats didn't take an absolute beating in the Senate. The Senate has typically been close for decades now.Nov 24 15:53
DaemonFC[m]The staggered terms are partially to ensure that extremist political movements can't change the entire Senate over in any cycle.Nov 24 15:54
schestowitz[15:51] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: i think there will be more challenges for software freedom with BidenNov 24 15:54
schestowitzwe wrote about thoseNov 24 15:54
schestowitzre patent law, Trump was likely much worseNov 24 15:54
schestowitzhe put iancu in place of leeNov 24 15:54
DaemonFC[m]The House completely changes each cycle and is a snapshot about where the political opinion is at that time, every two years.Nov 24 15:54
schestowitzand it went downhill, except for trollsNov 24 15:54
CrystalMathTrump also sided with Oracle in Oracle v. Google, which was badNov 24 15:55
schestowitze.g. 24 15:55
DaemonFC[m]Watching The Handmaid's Tale. Nov 24 15:55
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DaemonFC[m]I noticed that the Commanders of Gilead all drive Teslas.Nov 24 15:55
schestowitzCrystalMath: because Trump is a  friend of larrisonNov 24 15:55
schestowitzit's all nepotism, favours, corruptionNov 24 15:55
CrystalMathyeah that sucksNov 24 15:55
schestowitzlarrison openly cheering, it's about policial favoursNov 24 15:56
MinceRtwitler also put a shit pie in place to end net neutralityNov 24 15:56
CrystalMathsacrificing interopability so that your friend can enforce a software license beyond its usual boundariesNov 24 15:56
DaemonFC[m]In a prior episode, Commander Waterford mentioned that one of the hard lessons they learned was that the environment got destroyed and they're actually environmentalists now because they can't afford any more setbacks there.Nov 24 15:56
schestowitzMinceR: bad across the board on copyrightsNov 24 15:56
schestowitztrump was not better than obama at anything, and obama sucked tooNov 24 15:57
schestowitzlike clinton and bush didNov 24 15:57
schestowitzthey just pass any law the large corporations wantNov 24 15:57
schestowitzso the rich get richer and buy the next presidentNov 24 15:57
DaemonFC[m]I downloaded the movie, and it wasn't great. Perhaps I'm just used to binge watching TV shows now that have more hours in which to explain story elements that a 2 hour movie just can't wrap up.Nov 24 15:57
CrystalMathi watched the film, Handmaid's Tale (1990)Nov 24 15:57
CrystalMathi cried during that scene when they were capturing those nuns :(Nov 24 15:57
DaemonFC[m]The oil companies are fucked.Nov 24 15:58
DaemonFC[m]California's fuel economy standards are going to be implemented nationwide and between the states.Nov 24 15:58
DaemonFC[m]Trump lost big there.Nov 24 15:58
DaemonFC[m]GM says they plan to fully comply on the way to phasing out gasoline engines completely. Nov 24 15:58
DaemonFC[m]Also, travel is down (hence the low oil prices), so Trump can certainly try to sign off on leases in Alaska's wildlife refuge, but as to whether any sell or not, probably not.Nov 24 15:59
DaemonFC[m]Remember Bush tried to do it too, and with far greater demand for oil and with higher prices that seemed to justify doing anything to get more.Nov 24 15:59
DaemonFC[m]What does the Coronavirus oil slump followed by stringent new economy standards on the way to the end of gasoline tell us?Nov 24 16:00
DaemonFC[m]Bidding on those contracts is a bad investment being pitched to an industry in bankruptcy.Nov 24 16:00
DaemonFC[m]So it's more kabuki theater on the way out.Nov 24 16:00
CrystalMathhonestly though, gasoline engines are not the biggest problemNov 24 16:01
CrystalMathCO2 has continued to increase throughout the lockdownNov 24 16:01
CrystalMaththe real people you should be targetting are not indiviudals but factoriesNov 24 16:01
DaemonFC[m]No, but coal is being phased out too.Nov 24 16:01
CrystalMathalthough, the extraction of oil is extremely devastatingNov 24 16:01
CrystalMaththat's still done by companiesNov 24 16:01
DaemonFC[m]Progress on that accelerated under Trump because states were looking to stick it to him and showed the coal companies the door.Nov 24 16:02
CrystalMathwell i think that's gonna take a whileNov 24 16:02
CrystalMathi mean unless you have what, nuclear?Nov 24 16:02
DaemonFC[m]It's actually rather funny watching them attack each other's donors.Nov 24 16:03
CrystalMathhydroelectric is great, we have that here because we have a huge river, but not everybody doesNov 24 16:03
DaemonFC[m]Right? Because the public wins sometimes.Nov 24 16:03
DaemonFC[m]Democrats phase out coal. Trump attacks the pharmaceutical industry.Nov 24 16:03
DaemonFC[m]It's a Jerry Springer slap fight.Nov 24 16:04
CrystalMathi don't think there's a good replacement for coalNov 24 16:04
CrystalMathand that's a problemNov 24 16:04
CrystalMathsolar sucksNov 24 16:04
CrystalMathit's incredibly inefficient unless done in spaceNov 24 16:04
DaemonFC[m]Obviously there is, if it's gone from almost 40% of energy production in the US to just 13%.Nov 24 16:04
DaemonFC[m]On the way down to 9% in the next few years.Nov 24 16:05
CrystalMathbeing replaced by nuclear i presumeNov 24 16:05
DaemonFC[m]Natural gas, mostly.Nov 24 16:05
CrystalMathohNov 24 16:05
CrystalMathwell that still produces CO2Nov 24 16:05
DaemonFC[m]It's easy to convert to, cheaper, and it's cleaner burning so you don't have to shut down and scrub everything down.Nov 24 16:06
CrystalMathokay, i don't consider that much of a difference thoughNov 24 16:06
DaemonFC[m]Yes, but by amount of energy produced, it causes less than half the CO2 emissions.Nov 24 16:06
DaemonFC[m]So it's still a big win in the mean time. Well, coal is becoming prohibitively expensive.Nov 24 16:06
CrystalMathcompanies are still free to do all kinds of crap while "environmentalist" attack the individual for using a gasoline engineNov 24 16:06
DaemonFC[m]Indiana tossed $8 billion dollars of taxpayer money into a coal gasification plant just to scrap it before it ever did anything.Nov 24 16:07
CrystalMathas president, i would authorize small businesses to violate whatever regulation they wantNov 24 16:07
DaemonFC[m]And Indiana's ratepayers are on the hook to cover something that never produced any energy at all.Nov 24 16:07
CrystalMathas long as they're small enoughNov 24 16:07
CrystalMathalso they would get tax money to get startedNov 24 16:07
DaemonFC[m]Many regulations already have exemptions for small businesses, including the Family Medical Leave Act.Nov 24 16:07
DaemonFC[m]And minimum wage laws sometimes.Nov 24 16:07
CrystalMathmegacorps on the other hand would NEVER get help from the governmentNov 24 16:08
CrystalMathmicrosoft fails? i laughNov 24 16:08
CrystalMathi don't care at all about the "instability" that would causeNov 24 16:08
DaemonFC[m]Well, Walmart built an empire on top of using welfare programs to hide the real costs of their products.Nov 24 16:08
DaemonFC[m]You'd shop there, right, and their employees were using food stamps and Medicaid because they didn't get paid much of anything.Nov 24 16:08
CrystalMathi hate walmartNov 24 16:09
DaemonFC[m]So Illinois raises the minimum wage to $15, phasing in, all of a sudden people shopping at Walmart are paying for what they use.Nov 24 16:09
DaemonFC[m]Mom was talking about this multi-millionaire that lived down the block from where she lived as a child.Nov 24 16:10
DaemonFC[m]She said he got rich investing in things like IBM and Coca Cola.Nov 24 16:10
DaemonFC[m]But that he grew up during the Depression.Nov 24 16:11
DaemonFC[m]He got in the habit of not being able to take a bath very often and he had such a frugal mindset that he didn't use very much soap while he was in there.Nov 24 16:11
DaemonFC[m]So her friend gave them an expensive coat that he didn't want anymore, and my mom was like, "Yeah, Carl can probably wear that.", and they open it up and the smell hits them both and they were like "WHOA!".Nov 24 16:12
DaemonFC[m]She said dry cleaning got it out though.Nov 24 16:12
DaemonFC[m]Mandy gets after me for being such a skinflint about most things.Nov 24 16:13
DaemonFC[m]I always bargain hunt, almost always.Nov 24 16:13
DaemonFC[m]But occasionally I splurge on a hell of a nice computer or something. Roy thinks an extra $500 on a computer over what maybe a baseline model runs every 5 or 6 years is a major budget sin that's going to cause a second bankruptcy, I guess.Nov 24 16:14
DaemonFC[m]The first and only bankruptcy I've had was entirely the fault of mounting legal bills trying to fight off false charges that the outgoing (voted out) prosecutor came after me with after my ex lied to the cops.Nov 24 16:14
DaemonFC[m]But I've always generally looked for ways to stretch money.Nov 24 16:15
DaemonFC[m]Like, I'll be at the store reading the price signage trying to figure out if there's a way to spend half a cent per ounce less on coffee, and I use coupons and look for dented cans and last day meat deals.Nov 24 16:15
DaemonFC[m]The stores know how to roll most people.Nov 24 16:16
DaemonFC[m]Do you want to finance that? No.Nov 24 16:16
DaemonFC[m]Do you want an extended warranty for just (20% of the purchase price) so you can get it fixed (if you can get the company on the phone and they don't deny the claim, on a device that's not designed to last more than several years anyway)? Pass.Nov 24 16:17
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DaemonFC[m]I mean, by the time something breaks down you might have bought 20 or 30 extended warranties that they're never going to honor and you lost the paperwork somewhere anyway.Nov 24 16:18
DaemonFC[m]Extended warranties, put bluntly, are a tool to assess if the customer is stupid, if so, to get them to agree to a price increase, and placate them so they don't feel like they got robbed.Nov 24 16:19
DaemonFC[m]And most major purchases have a manufacturer's warranty anyway, and the extended warranty people won't even talk to you until that's over with, and if you pay with a credit card, sometimes one of the benefits is that the card company doubles the manufacturer's warranty (through their underwriter) under the same terms.Nov 24 16:22
DaemonFC[m]So, mom listens to Dave Ramsey, she says....Then she buys an extended warranty even though he says not to.Nov 24 16:22
DaemonFC[m]She had thousands of dollars that she financed through a bankruptcy car loan firm go out the window because the extended warranty she bought on the thing she's driving has one of those companies that denies every claim.Nov 24 16:23
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I don't know how this works. Maybe it's like the bible.Nov 24 16:23
DaemonFC[m]Oh, I listen to Dave Ramsey. No I don't know what he says, but I listen to Dave Ramsey.Nov 24 16:24
DaemonFC[m]Then I don't actually do anything he says to.Nov 24 16:24
MinceRlolNov 24 16:24
CrystalMathi listen to Paul Joseph Watson from time to timeNov 24 16:24
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CrystalMathhe actually says the reverse of what he said before a lotNov 24 16:24
CrystalMathso it's hard to get a clear picture, but at least he provides some newsNov 24 16:25
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DaemonFC[m]That's always fascinated me about Christians. God or no God aside, you're wasting your time if you don't even believe in it to bother following the simplest of instructions.Nov 24 16:26
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: They believe to associate.Nov 24 16:26
XRevan86Not to follow instructions. No one wants an extra burden.Nov 24 16:27
DaemonFC[m]How serious are you? Do you think the God that watches you and imposed commandments on you is such a fool that you're going to get up there and say "Well, I was in church backslapping a lot, and I even caught the Democrat Hoax a couple of times, but don't fuck the wife of the guy sitting next to me.....just slipped past me. Where is that one at?".Nov 24 16:27
schestowitzCrystalMath: : he's a mix of facts and fictionNov 24 16:27
schestowitzlike the sites he associates withNov 24 16:27
schestowitziirc, twitter banned himNov 24 16:27
schestowitzor maybe he was luckily sparedNov 24 16:27
CrystalMathwell i don't like they're putting chemicals in the water that turn the frigging frogs gayNov 24 16:28
CrystalMath:PNov 24 16:28
DaemonFC[m]Gay frogs.Nov 24 16:28
*schestowitz does not have a problem with gay frogsNov 24 16:28
DaemonFC[m]The Christian Frog neighbor lady in Frog Texas made a fake Frog Police report to get them arrested.Nov 24 16:28
DaemonFC[m]The Frog Supreme Court wasn't having any of it though.Nov 24 16:29
CrystalMath 24 16:29
schestowitzsome people online are cuckoo factoriesNov 24 16:29
schestowitzthey take reasonably sane and innocent people, draw them in, turn them cuckooNov 24 16:30
schestowitzAanon is a good example of itNov 24 16:30
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schestowitze.g. claims Assange had died in 2016Nov 24 16:30
schestowitzand that anything after that is "HEY HI" and CGINov 24 16:30
DaemonFC[m]It would be nice if he had died in 2015.Nov 24 16:30
DaemonFC[m]Before he got Cheeto Hitler elected.Nov 24 16:30
CrystalMathHillary Clinton got Trump electedNov 24 16:31
CrystalMathby doing the things that were revealed by wikileaksNov 24 16:31
CrystalMathand being a warmonger, threatening war with RussiaNov 24 16:31
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DaemonFC[m]Hopefully, New York has Trump stamping license plates.Nov 24 16:32
DaemonFC[m]Rod Blogojevich should have never been let out of prison.Nov 24 16:32
DaemonFC[m]I wish Illinois had convicted him too in case he ever got out of Club Fed.Nov 24 16:32
schestowitzWikileaks showed HRC team had been helping TrumpNov 24 16:33
schestowitzto weaken her rivalNov 24 16:33
schestowitzand by doing so putting the whole nation at riskNov 24 16:33
schestowitzWikileaks also showed war crimes before thatNov 24 16:33
CrystalMathBlagojevich, sounds serbianNov 24 16:33
schestowitzand CIA back doors etc. in 2017Nov 24 16:33
schestowitzso if you don't want to take podesta emails and dnc leaks, you need to also pretend cablegate did not benefit youNov 24 16:34
schestowitzRyan: let war crimes be so I can have maaa hillaryNov 24 16:34
CrystalMath*killaryNov 24 16:35
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CrystalMathMinceR: lolNov 24 16:46
DaemonFC[m]Good news was there wasn't as much of that Hawaiian Chicken as I thought. Nov 24 16:52
DaemonFC[m]Bad news is Mandy was mad at me for throwing it out.Nov 24 16:52
DaemonFC[m]I told him time and temperature. I wasn't about to get a $60,000 hospital bill for a stomach pump while COVID is running through there like some sort of Aliens horror movie over $1 worth of food.Nov 24 16:53
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Mom was saying it didn't occur to him because they're used to eating out of the trash and having shit flowing down the street if it rains too much.Nov 24 16:58
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, in his defense, he comes from a place where they've always had an unstable and highly corrupt dictatorship, and we backslid a lot here before pulling ourselves out of it after 4 years.".Nov 24 16:58
DaemonFC[m]By first world standards, the US government is corrupt.Nov 24 17:00
DaemonFC[m]But the Philippines is pretty garden variety third world corrupt from what I understand.Nov 24 17:00
DaemonFC[m]And I used some psychology there on Maricel to remind her of where she came from.Nov 24 17:01
DaemonFC[m]I said something like, "I've heard enough about that place to know I don't want Mandy to go back there.".Nov 24 17:01
DaemonFC[m]They were already furious and things were already broken down, so yeah it was a parting insult.Nov 24 17:01
DaemonFC[m]She's always terrified that people will stand in judgment or know what kind of a place she crawled out of.Nov 24 17:02
DaemonFC[m]So it was sort of one of those "You're not hiding anything from me." deals.Nov 24 17:02
DaemonFC[m]I've learned that you can imply things without saying them and make it sting so much worse.Nov 24 17:04
DaemonFC[m]Like, you don't have to say "shithole countries".Nov 24 17:04
DaemonFC[m]You just imply that they're backwards savages and you're concerned he'll have to go back.Nov 24 17:04
DaemonFC[m]Bringing out the big guns when you want to hurt someone is not always the correct strategy.Nov 24 17:06
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes it's easier to just have the wheels turn and make them get angrier the more they peel back the layers on what you just said. Nov 24 17:06
schestowitz[16:58] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Mom was saying it didn't occur to him because they're used to eating out of the trash and having shit flowing down the street if it rains too much.Nov 24 17:07
schestowitzmom being nastryNov 24 17:07
schestowitzbut...Nov 24 17:07
schestowitzTrump voterNov 24 17:07
schestowitzso that computesNov 24 17:08
schestowitzthere are still ways to cook the chicken to make it saferNov 24 17:08
schestowitzin battles and I'm told also in India they use lots of spicesNov 24 17:08
schestowitzyou can also overcook it a bitNov 24 17:08
schestowitzenough to kill the germsNov 24 17:08
schestowitzyou would not get worse than a trip to the toilet, at worstNov 24 17:08
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 24 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #trump will run in 2024. He'll run to Russia or Finland (which he thinks is part of Russia). Nov 24 17:25
DaemonFC[m]Run to Russia..... :)Nov 24 17:26
DaemonFC[m]Well, he is the Darth Maul to Putin's Palpatine I guess.Nov 24 17:26
DaemonFC[m]But the Sith don't tend to have good retirement packages. Nov 24 17:27
MinceRlol @ run to russiaNov 24 17:27
schestowitzyou could send him to russia on a rocket, ICBMs get there real fast!Nov 24 17:28
DaemonFC[m] 24 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pennsylvania certifies Biden win over Trump in presidential electionNov 24 17:29
DaemonFC[m]Last nail in the coffin for the Trump campaign.Nov 24 17:29
*schestowitz always wanted to see a chain reaction on CheetosNov 24 17:29
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: oh, goodNov 24 17:31
DaemonFC[m]That fat pig of a GSA lady looks like Jabba the Hutt. Nov 24 17:31
schestowitzless fuel for birtherism 2.0Nov 24 17:31
schestowitzyou'll be hearing from madame carl farmone for 4 years after how biden "Stole" the electionNov 24 17:31
DaemonFC[m]Dad appears to realize now that it's over. He says he may have to leave the country.Nov 24 17:31
schestowitzso more ammo to youNov 24 17:31
schestowitz"Trump was NOT EVEN CLOSE!"Nov 24 17:32
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: your dad is going to leave?Nov 24 17:32
DaemonFC[m]Of course he won't.Nov 24 17:32
schestowitzlolNov 24 17:32
schestowitzleave where?Nov 24 17:32
schestowitzmexico?Nov 24 17:32
CrystalMathwell that depends on how bad Biden isNov 24 17:32
CrystalMathis Biden makes it unbearable to live thereNov 24 17:32
schestowitzeurope wants yanks even less after so many voted trumpNov 24 17:32
CrystalMathhe may have toNov 24 17:32
schestowitzthere needs to be more aggressive vetting processNov 24 17:32
schestowitzto prevent trumpism creeping into europeNov 24 17:33
CrystalMathTrumpism is already in EuropeNov 24 17:33
schestowitzthat's what us did in ww2 with europeans, fearing it would import nazis and their sympathisersNov 24 17:33
schestowitznot that the US lacked its ownNov 24 17:33
DaemonFC[m]"Wonder where you'd even go now that the Trump Plague has made the US Passport a good substitute for the bare shelves of toilet paper.Nov 24 17:33
DaemonFC[m]-Ryan"Nov 24 17:33
schestowitz(just managed to keep them better under control)Nov 24 17:33
schestowitzlolNov 24 17:34
schestowitzhahaNov 24 17:34
CrystalMathbut our Trumpism here is not so greatNov 24 17:34
schestowitzeven some third-world countries block US 'tourists'Nov 24 17:34
schestowitz(immigrants)Nov 24 17:34
schestowitzbecause they're a covid riskNov 24 17:34
CrystalMathamericans are welcome in serbiaNov 24 17:34
schestowitzand the arms mentality/trump support is not helping eitherNov 24 17:34
schestowitzthey can be 'radicalisers'Nov 24 17:34
CrystalMathquite a few moved here this yearNov 24 17:34
schestowitzserbia isn't considered attractive a destrinationNov 24 17:35
schestowitzno offense to youNov 24 17:35
CrystalMathserbia doesn't even require testingNov 24 17:35
MinceRwhere will all those trumpists go? russia? hungary?Nov 24 17:35
schestowitzcroatia maybe for holidaysNov 24 17:35
schestowitzbut too corrupt to live thereNov 24 17:35
CrystalMathCroatia isn't as lax on covidNov 24 17:35
schestowitznever heard of immigrants to serbiaNov 24 17:35
DaemonFC[m]I got a letter with a photo from Transunion that says ignoring your credit is almost as bad as ignoring your mother.Nov 24 17:35
DaemonFC[m]Well, I like my mom, but 4 closets of toilet paper instead of cash in the bank is not a great way to live your life.Nov 24 17:36
MinceRlolNov 24 17:36
schestowitz"credit" is illusionNov 24 17:36
schestowitzmore so than moneyNov 24 17:36
schestowitzlike "intellectual property"Nov 24 17:36
schestowitzsomeone comes up with itNov 24 17:36
schestowitzlike facebook "friends;Nov 24 17:36
schestowitzthey don't existNov 24 17:36
schestowitzit's just some bits in some idiot's private databaseNov 24 17:36
schestowitzZuck'sNov 24 17:36
CrystalMathignoring credit?Nov 24 17:36
CrystalMathwhat does that mean?Nov 24 17:36
*CrystalMath does not use banksNov 24 17:37
schestowitzand they want you to waste days trying to 'amass' friends as though they were food items at the shelfNov 24 17:37
schestowitzuntil these people finally realise it's virtual and without worthNov 24 17:37
schestowitz"credit" is a man-made conceptNov 24 17:37
schestowitzand only a currency in few concepts, such as loan-askingNov 24 17:37
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, people have "1,592 friends on Facebook".Nov 24 17:37
schestowitztbh, too many people take loansNov 24 17:37
DaemonFC[m]So, how many of those people would show up in the hospital if you were dying.Nov 24 17:38
schestowitzto keep up appearancesNov 24 17:38
CrystalMathi have zero loansNov 24 17:38
schestowitzto make it look like they're better off than they areNov 24 17:38
DaemonFC[m]Or loan you $20 that week.Nov 24 17:38
schestowitzand they pay for faking itNov 24 17:38
schestowitzwith interest :-)Nov 24 17:38
CrystalMathi actually lent money to others, at a zero interest rateNov 24 17:38
DaemonFC[m]Facebook has destroyed people's actual social skills.Nov 24 17:38
schestowitz[17:37] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, people have "1,592 friends on Facebook".Nov 24 17:38
schestowitzmeet them all in 5 yearsNov 24 17:38
schestowitzone per sayNov 24 17:38
schestowitzdayNov 24 17:38
schestowitzuntil you get covid 500 timesNov 24 17:38
schestowitzand pass it to all those 1592 'friends'Nov 24 17:39
DaemonFC[m]It's just as well there's COVID lockdowns from that angle, because they wouldn't know what to do in the room with another person at this point anyway.Nov 24 17:39
schestowitzplay card gameNov 24 17:39
DaemonFC[m]Society has grown extremely detached, jaded, and isolated anyway.Nov 24 17:39
schestowitzboard gameNov 24 17:39
DaemonFC[m]You want someone to fuck? Get on an app.Nov 24 17:39
schestowitzwe used to do thatNov 24 17:39
schestowitztake a ball, have a ball outsideNov 24 17:39
DaemonFC[m]You want a pizza delivered by a gig economy slave? Get on an app.Nov 24 17:39
scientesXRevan86, why doesn't compose+? produce the upside-down one?Nov 24 17:40
DaemonFC[m]Sure it's monitoring and monetizing everything you tell it, but why not?Nov 24 17:40
scientesXRevan86, and do you know what sequence will do it?Nov 24 17:40
scientesI didn't grow up typing Spanish......Nov 24 17:40
XRevan86Compose + ?? doesNov 24 17:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Covid-19 is taking a devastating toll on Filipino nurses - CNNNov 24 17:41
scientesXRevan86, ahh thanksNov 24 17:41
DaemonFC[m]Not MARISOL. She's a politician for a grifting fake woo woo cancer hospital spiraling towards bankruptcy.Nov 24 17:41
scientesI triedNov 24 17:41
*scientes needed to try againNov 24 17:41
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Even teetering on bankruptcy, Cancer Treatment Centers of America is spending money bribing "news" articles to let them put in sponsored content. Nov 24 17:43
schestowitz'newsNov 24 17:44
schestowitzfluffNov 24 17:44
schestowitzadvernalismNov 24 17:44
DaemonFC[m]NPR maybe is the only thing left that isn't a complete tabloid.Nov 24 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Look, Trump is a fucking piece of shit, but seems like CNN goes to great lengths to give you your opinion for you I noticed.Nov 24 17:45
DaemonFC[m]It's like the equal and opposite of Fox News at this point. Nov 24 17:45
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DaemonFC[m]Of course, I'm glad that the real doctors at CDC are getting a president that isn't going to muzzle them and force them to post pre-written blurbs from the Politburo about how masks don't work and it's time to send the kids back to school.Nov 24 17:47
schestowitzthey can now say very bad thingsNov 24 17:48
schestowitzand then blame it all on TrumpNov 24 17:48
schestowitznot BidenNov 24 17:48
schestowitzwho is technically not in charge yetNov 24 17:48
DaemonFC[m]Scott Atlas from the Herbert Hoover Administration won't be there to make it the official plan to let 2 million people drop dead from COVID, but Trump got us there halfway already. Baked in at this point.Nov 24 17:48
schestowitzthen twitler will write lots of violent tweetsNov 24 17:48
DaemonFC[m]*Hoover Foundation, rather.Nov 24 17:48
DaemonFC[m]You can't make it up.Nov 24 17:48
schestowitz[17:44] <DaemonFC[m]> NPR maybe is the only thing left that isn't a complete tabloid.Nov 24 17:49
schestowitzGates-bribedNov 24 17:49
schestowitzand lying too sometimesNov 24 17:49
DaemonFC[m]I didn't say there was no corruption at all. The Republicans cut the CPB funding.Nov 24 17:51
DaemonFC[m]Now they have their hand out and the rich people donate a ton of money and then want favors for it.Nov 24 17:52
DaemonFC[m]The original intent of NPR and PBS was that you'd have a well informed public.Nov 24 17:54
DaemonFC[m]But that's not useful to the Republicans.Nov 24 17:54
DaemonFC[m]You degrade education and then tell them they can't get a job because a Mexican took it.Nov 24 17:54
DaemonFC[m]They don't understand what economics is anymore, or trade policy, or tariffs.Nov 24 17:55
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: But I like getting my news from NPR more than others because there's less of a slant and sensationalism on it.Nov 24 18:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ElectoralVoteNov 24 18:30
DaemonFC[m]"In fact, the Constitution makes no mention of a majority leader at all (since that would imply an acknowledgment of political parties, which the framers hoped to avoid). It does, however, grant the President of the Senate the right to preside over the Senate, which means that Kamala Harris could assert herself, and could be the one to decide what matters do and do not come up for a vote."Nov 24 18:31
DaemonFC[m]I think she should go there, honestly.Nov 24 18:32
DaemonFC[m]People elected a president because they want that administration to be able to control what Congress considers.Nov 24 18:32
DaemonFC[m]And that's the whole reason for the Vice President's constitutional role as President of the Senate.Nov 24 18:32
DaemonFC[m]It would completely flip the script on Republicans. The Vice President can't vote except to break a deadlock, but controlling what comes up can put a Republican majority on the run.Nov 24 18:34
DaemonFC[m]They will be unable to force the Democrats into votes on uncomfortable and damaging stuff, and the Democrats will be able to put everyone on the record on their items.Nov 24 18:34
DaemonFC[m]If they want any chance at all in the Senate majority in two years, they'll put the Republicans on defense.Nov 24 18:35
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CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: the point of a republican senate would be to keep Biden in checkNov 24 18:56
CrystalMathwhich is importantNov 24 18:56
CrystalMathjust like a democratic congress in 2018 was there to put Trump in checkNov 24 18:56
DaemonFC[m]Yes, but Kamala Harris could take control over the Senate's daily business.Nov 24 18:56
CrystalMathbut instead of doing that, they acted like petulant childrenNov 24 18:56
CrystalMathwith russia nonsenseNov 24 18:57
DaemonFC[m]Despite the Republican majority.Nov 24 18:57
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: that would be badNov 24 18:57
DaemonFC[m]That's the constitutional option here. Nov 24 18:57
DaemonFC[m]Why? The constitution says that's what the Vice President is supposed to do.Nov 24 18:57
DaemonFC[m]It worked like that for many decades at first.Nov 24 18:57
CrystalMaththe senate has to do its job, and control the presidentNov 24 18:58
DaemonFC[m]The VP not having an active role in the Senate is something that only came about recently.Nov 24 18:58
CrystalMathand the executive government as a wholeNov 24 18:58
CrystalMathit must have that powerNov 24 18:58
CrystalMath"i am the senate" never did anyone any goodNov 24 18:58
DaemonFC[m]The VP presided directly over the Senate, pretty regularly, until the late 1960s iirc. Nov 24 18:58
DaemonFC[m]That's not what would be going on here.Nov 24 18:58
DaemonFC[m]The VP has the constitutional option of controlling the Senate's agenda, but may not vote except to break a tie.Nov 24 18:58
DaemonFC[m]They are the Senate President.Nov 24 18:59
CrystalMathrightNov 24 18:59
CrystalMathso if the obaminable sandman makes some horrible anti-privacy actNov 24 18:59
CrystalMaththe senate can vote against itNov 24 18:59
CrystalMathand block itNov 24 18:59
MinceRit won't, thoughNov 24 18:59
DaemonFC[m]The job is normally seen as kind of dull.Nov 24 18:59
MinceRboth parties are against privacyNov 24 18:59
MinceRin case you haven't noticedNov 24 18:59
DaemonFC[m]Despite the fact that the majority party can appoint a President Pro Tempore, even that person doesn't normally preside.Nov 24 19:00
DaemonFC[m]It's usually doled out to one of the newer Senators so that they can better learn how the Senate functions. Nov 24 19:00
CrystalMathMinceR: they will control other moonbatteryNov 24 19:00
CrystalMathat leastNov 24 19:00
MinceRunlikelyNov 24 19:00
CrystalMathas for the rest, well, i'm glad i don't live in americaNov 24 19:00
DaemonFC[m]The Senate President can not really stop something from coming up for a vote, in the end. They'd have to call a cloture vote, just like what goes on right now. However, they can also force an issue just like any Senator could.Nov 24 19:01
DaemonFC[m]They can use parliamentary procedure to try to stop things from being voted on though.Nov 24 19:02
DaemonFC[m]If they don't believe that something is proper, they can kick it to the Senate Parliamentarian as a point of order. Nov 24 19:02
CrystalMathisn't congress the legislative branch?Nov 24 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Yes, but the Vice President is a member of two branches of government.Nov 24 19:03
CrystalMathokay so the congres and the senate are the legislative branchNov 24 19:03
CrystalMathyeah i don't like that VP stuff in americaNov 24 19:03
DaemonFC[m]House and Senate. Together "Congress".Nov 24 19:03
CrystalMathwe don't have that anywhere in europeNov 24 19:03
CrystalMathwe generally have strictly separated governmentsNov 24 19:03
DaemonFC[m]They each have some of their own exclusive functions.Nov 24 19:03
CrystalMathhere, the president can't do anything except represent the countryNov 24 19:03
CrystalMaththe president has no legislative, judicinal, nor executive functionNov 24 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Revenue and spending bills may only be introduced in the House, and only the House can vote to impeach someone.Nov 24 19:04
CrystalMathinstead, we have a prime ministerNov 24 19:04
CrystalMaththe prime minister is the head of the executive governmentNov 24 19:04
DaemonFC[m]But the Senate usually is the only one that has a vote to confirm presidential appointments.Nov 24 19:04
CrystalMathwe also have a parliamentNov 24 19:04
CrystalMathit's kinda like britain, exceptNov 24 19:04
CrystalMathit's unicameralNov 24 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Although in some cases, the law or the constitution involves the House too.Nov 24 19:04
CrystalMathand there's no monarchNov 24 19:04
CrystalMathinstead of a monarch, there's a presidentNov 24 19:04
DaemonFC[m]For example, if the office of Vice President becomes empty, both the House and the Senate must confirm a new one.Nov 24 19:04
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: oh i seeNov 24 19:05
CrystalMathso i've been misusing the word congressNov 24 19:05
DaemonFC[m]I think we really need to take a step back here and have the House and the Senate confirm all appointments, up or down vote. Simple majority both chambers.Nov 24 19:05
CrystalMathi meant the houseNov 24 19:05
DaemonFC[m]As a safeguard against another Trump just packing the courts.Nov 24 19:05
DaemonFC[m]It would force consensus on nominees. We'd have better ones, I think.Nov 24 19:06
DaemonFC[m]The Constitution would have gotten rid of Trump eventually, but the plan here was pretty obvious.Nov 24 19:06
DaemonFC[m]They'd pass it to some other member of the Trump Crime Family at some point.Nov 24 19:07
DaemonFC[m]And we'd be another North Korea with the Kims.Nov 24 19:07
DaemonFC[m]The United States has tended to avoid family political dynasties for the most part.Nov 24 19:08
DaemonFC[m]Like, I don't think we're going to see Bushes and Clintons again.Nov 24 19:08
DaemonFC[m]So hopefully one term of Trump has taught those 80-some million people the cost of apathy. Nov 24 19:09
CrystalMathwithout Trump it would have been Clinton againNov 24 19:09
CrystalMathso what's your point?Nov 24 19:09
CrystalMaththat it should have been someone third in 2016?Nov 24 19:09
CrystalMatheveryone knows that...Nov 24 19:10
DaemonFC[m]If Eric or Don Jr. get in, it's going to be worse.Nov 24 19:10
CrystalMathbut third options never work in the USNov 24 19:10
DaemonFC[m]If anything, they're both even bigger cretins than their father.Nov 24 19:10
CrystalMathand that's why it IS like north koreaNov 24 19:10
DaemonFC[m]Well, in North Korea they have "elections".Nov 24 19:10
DaemonFC[m]But there's only one party allowed by law.Nov 24 19:10
CrystalMathactually not quiteNov 24 19:10
CrystalMathpolitical parties are allowed, butNov 24 19:10
CrystalMaththey have to join the same one coalitionNov 24 19:11
DaemonFC[m]And it's to the national legislature only, which really isn't an independent or strong branch of government. Nov 24 19:11
CrystalMaththe democratic front for reunification of the fatherlandNov 24 19:11
CrystalMathit has 3 political partiesNov 24 19:11
CrystalMaththat are membersNov 24 19:11
CrystalMaththe worker's party of koreaNov 24 19:11
CrystalMathlead by Kim Jong-UnNov 24 19:11
DaemonFC[m]They don't have an up or down vote on the Kims every 4 years and it would only be a fake election if they did.Nov 24 19:11
CrystalMaththe socialdemocratic party of koreaNov 24 19:11
DaemonFC[m]Communism doesn't really do elections once it takes over.Nov 24 19:12
CrystalMathand the cheondoist chongu partyNov 24 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Sort of like Nazis.Nov 24 19:12
CrystalMathall 3 parties generally agree on everythingNov 24 19:12
CrystalMathoccasionally chongu members provide the one vote against somethingNov 24 19:12
CrystalMathbut that's mostly scriptedNov 24 19:12
CrystalMath"like, i think this law should have this slight insignificant difference!"Nov 24 19:12
CrystalMathand that's how it goesNov 24 19:13
CrystalMaththe government does whatever it wantsNov 24 19:13
CrystalMathbut it's NOT without its veneerNov 24 19:13
CrystalMaththere's a lot of pretendingNov 24 19:13
CrystalMaththere's always pretending, so don't expect to be able to tell what is fascism and what is notNov 24 19:14
CrystalMathnobody will say it like it isNov 24 19:14
CrystalMaththe next Hitler won't be waving a swastikaNov 24 19:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | jwz: RetroPie questionsNov 24 19:44
DaemonFC[m]"How do I rip a PS2 disc?" It's the internet. Someone has solved this somewhere. Pirate it.Nov 24 19:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rudy Giuliani targeted for disbarment in state bar complaints filed by Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) - The Washington PostNov 24 19:49
schestowitztoday I saw the hair colour photoNov 24 19:51
schestowitzand laughed out loudNov 24 19:51
schestowitzwhen historians ask, "how bad was the Trump coup?"Nov 24 20:07
schestowitzPeople would nail down this photo and say, "THAT's how bad"Nov 24 20:07
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vZS1Pretty much every authority is against privacyNov 24 21:08
vZS1Because it means they don't have controlNov 24 21:08
schestowitzyeahNov 24 21:08
schestowitz"national security"Nov 24 21:08
schestowitzwhich means back doors etc.Nov 24 21:08
schestowitznewspeakNov 24 21:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ Too many corporate 'journalists' are nowadays little but corporate tools, so what they say about #security profitability etc. is less than irrelevant. All that's important to them is, does this company pay me to say it? Nov 24 21:09
schestowitz[21:01] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #CIA sponsoring US tech giants for #imperialism ttps:// []Nov 24 21:09
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schestowitzthey use Microsoft for all their webdev stuffNov 24 21:09
schestowitzand then claim "independence"Nov 24 21:09
schestowitzwhat toolsNov 24 21:09
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DaemonFC[m]Things at Intel are so bad that they doubled CPU power consumption and banned reviewers from testing battery life.Nov 24 21:15
MinceR:>Nov 24 21:22
vZS1They even have apps for toothbrushes nowNov 24 21:26
vZS1That's the extent of invasionNov 24 21:26
schestowitzvZS1: why the heck not?Nov 24 21:27
schestowitzdo toilet brushes have apps too (yet)?Nov 24 21:27
schestowitzI bet those apps would be kinda shitty anyway...Nov 24 21:27
vZS1Probably not long until they doNov 24 21:27
schestowitzbrushFitNov 24 21:28
schestowitzlet us count for you how many brushes you did todayNov 24 21:28
schestowitzthen upload it to the clownNov 24 21:28
schestowitzto show us to your friedNov 24 21:28
schestowitz'friends'Nov 24 21:28
schestowitzin a panelNov 24 21:28
schestowitzwith "share" and "like" buttonsNov 24 21:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pro 5000 with Bluetooth Electric Toothbrush | Oral-BNov 24 21:28
schestowitz'Michael likes your "I brushed my teeth with over 200 strokes" last night'Nov 24 21:29
schestowitzMinceR: oral surveillanceNov 24 21:29
MinceR 24 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Philips Sonicare Electric Toothbrush & Accessories | Philips SonicareNov 24 21:30
schestowitznow google rectal surveillance tooNov 24 21:30
schestowitzlike "Smart buttplugs" or somethingNov 24 21:30
MinceRstoring rectoscopy images in the "cloud" might be more effective :>Nov 24 21:38
schestowitzI bet it's already doneNov 24 21:38
schestowitzeven foreign clownsNov 24 21:38
schestowitzlike, colonoscopy and endoscopy data going into GAFAM in real timeNov 24 21:39
schestowitzand the doctors won't give a shitNov 24 21:39
schestowitzbecause "the clown"Nov 24 21:39
schestowitzit's safeNov 24 21:39
schestowitzit's "the thing now"Nov 24 21:39
schestowitzthey will then say it does "HEY HI" on the dataNov 24 21:39
schestowitzand "saves lives" because "HEY HI"Nov 24 21:39
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