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XRevan86The weird thing is, I can't say that the scenarios for both Discovery and Picard are badly written. They're actually quite elaborate.Feb 25 00:11
XRevan86But still not very engaging.Feb 25 00:13
XRevan86Engage!Feb 25 00:13
XRevan86On a positive side, characters in Picard feel a lot more human than in DiscoveryFeb 25 00:14
XRevan86Was there a single instance in Discovery when Michael Burnham felt anything else but epic poshness, anger or sadness?Feb 25 00:16
XRevan86There should be the angriest Star Trek protagonist award, and she should get it.Feb 25 00:17
XRevan86That nullifies tension moments, because literally every moment is a tension moment.Feb 25 00:18
XRevan86Picard doesn't have that. Instead of constant tension, it has a lack of it.Feb 25 00:22
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oiaohmXRevan86: its also kind of screwed.Feb 25 00:28
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oiaohmXRevan86: I think all bar Picard none of the startrek series are named after a single char.Feb 25 00:29
XRevan86oiaohm: The name is screwy, yes.Feb 25 00:29
oiaohmThis allows for the writers to create tension between other chars when it makes no sense for main char.Feb 25 00:30
XRevan86but it shows just how much they're betting on name recognitionFeb 25 00:30
oiaohmIts really ruined the writing possibilities Feb 25 00:30
XRevan86oiaohm: What do you mena?Feb 25 00:30
XRevan86meanFeb 25 00:31
XRevan86danger possibilities?Feb 25 00:31
oiaohmIts like if you attempted rewriting king henry the 8 of shakespear and you were now not involving king henry the 8 in part of the story its not going to feel right to the viewer.Feb 25 00:31
oiaohmNaming the char in the title really restricts you hand.Feb 25 00:32
XRevan86oiaohm: Ah, focusing on other characters for whole episodes.Feb 25 00:32
oiaohmTo provide more paths to tension that does.Feb 25 00:33
oiaohmSome series get away with like danger mouse cartoon series.   But you main char has to be boardline insane for it to work.Feb 25 00:33
oiaohmPicard is not insane. Feb 25 00:34
XRevan86oiaohm: It's not a character-driven series.Feb 25 00:34
oiaohmSo Picard as your lead is going to be insanely low tension Feb 25 00:34
oiaohmBut it is in the writing.Feb 25 00:34
oiaohmThe title puts in your mind that its going to be about that char so writing going against it is going to be jarring to the emession Feb 25 00:35
oiaohmBasically they made a mistake with the title.Feb 25 00:35
oiaohmAnd that mistake effects what people will be expecting.  And that locks you writing paths to mostly crap.Feb 25 00:36
XRevan86oiaohm: What if I tell you it's already not exactly a story about Picard %)Feb 25 00:36
XRevan86It's as much a story about Picard as Twin Peaks is a story about Dale CooperFeb 25 00:37
oiaohmYou sub mind will be thinking where is picard like it or not and you will be wasting time sub mind looking for it(stuff you will not even notice) and miss any good writing so the script will fell bad.Feb 25 00:38
oiaohmMagic shows use these kind of word distractions at times to get your eyes looking in the wrong places.Feb 25 00:39
XRevan86oiaohm: Well, I can also say that the other characters aren't that bad, so focusing on them won't be a problem for me.Feb 25 00:40
XRevan86I can't say the same about Discovery, where almost everyone is unlikeable.Feb 25 00:40
oiaohmIts not like Picard could not have been used in the title.   A classic good one is "Waiting for Godot" is a play where Godot never turns up at all.  Of course that automatically primed you to listen to all the third party chars. Feb 25 00:42
XRevan86The introduction of 7-of-9 was a lot more jarring than I anticipated, visually she almost haven't changed, but a different character it is.Feb 25 00:43
XRevan86from 7-of-9 in VoyagerFeb 25 00:43
oiaohmXRevan86:  << basically Priming is part of the way the human brain works.Feb 25 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Priming (psychology) - WikipediaFeb 25 00:44
oiaohmXRevan86:  This from LCA 2020 covers how dangerous priming can be.Feb 25 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Keynote: Drop Your Tools – Does Expertise have a Dark Side?" - Dr Sean Brady (LCA 2020) - YouTubeFeb 25 00:44
XRevan86I was primed to expect particular writing for 7-to-9Feb 25 00:44
oiaohmWith no careful writing to soften the blow.Feb 25 00:45
oiaohmLike you could have been primed with one of the chars saying that 7 of 9  is way different than she use to be in personality event that she looks fairly much the same.Feb 25 00:46
oiaohmXRevan86: those writing Picard have failed to understand the basics of priming.Feb 25 00:47
XRevan86oiaohm: That's just called "expectations" in normal language :).Feb 25 00:47
oiaohmand how to use priming to their benefit.Feb 25 00:47
oiaohmInstead all the way along priming is working against the story.Feb 25 00:47
oiaohmXRevan86: priming is a lot more complex than expectations.Feb 25 00:49
XRevan86oiaohm: Whatever.Feb 25 00:50
oiaohmXRevan86: "Keynote: Drop Your Tools – Does Expertise have a Dark Side?"  this key note is particular.Feb 25 00:50
XRevan86A good film should employ various techniques to prepare the viewer, visual language including.Feb 25 00:51
oiaohmWith expectations you can simply change them.Feb 25 00:51
XRevan86Unfortunately I'm not very visual-language-aware, so I cannot tell how well it's used… anywhere.Feb 25 00:51
oiaohmPriming as you will see if you are native english and you watch that video in the examples when you are primed you are screwed.Feb 25 00:51
XRevan86unless it's something very obvious like in Samurai JackFeb 25 00:51
oiaohmYou mentally as they put it stuck on the wrong path with no way back.Feb 25 00:52
oiaohmIts just way human brain works.Feb 25 00:52
XRevan86oiaohm: 50 minutes, nahFeb 25 00:52
oiaohmXRevan86: the examples are at the 28 min mark.Feb 25 00:54
oiaohmThat show how doomed you are when you are primed.Feb 25 00:54
oiaohmXRevan86: expectations are something you can controlled primed the section of brain you cannot directly control has basically jumped ship on you if it primed the wrong way.   Priming may come from prior experiences.   First section covers firefighters who know they should drop their tools to outrun a fire but are basically unable todo so.   Script writers ignoring this stuff.Feb 25 00:58
oiaohmPrimed is not expectations is something on the camp of way worse.Feb 25 00:59
oiaohmScript writers missing it does not matter how good a script is written if prior works primed you the wrong way because you will never see their work because your primed brain will basiclaly ignore the good bits.Feb 25 01:00
oiaohmHeck the title primes you so picking your title of a book/play/tv series is highly important.Feb 25 01:00
XRevan86oiaohm: So far I've established that I'm not good at the fill-in the blank game.Feb 25 01:01
oiaohmParticular when they are priming you against it.Feb 25 01:02
XRevan86Not at all %). Possibly because it's 4am and I haven't slept in a while.Feb 25 01:02
oiaohmLack of sleep you are weaker to priming.Feb 25 01:03
XRevan86But failing to see the obvious because I was caught up in considering something incorrect is a menace of mine for which I am ashamed more often than I want to be (i.e. never)Feb 25 01:03
XRevan86Especially when it's something social.Feb 25 01:04
oiaohmThe baseball example in there.Feb 25 01:04
oiaohmIs exactly the star trek fans watching picard run straight into as well.Feb 25 01:04
oiaohmBasically those working on long running series need to be aware of priming and how to use it correctly or priming will ruin it for those older fans every single time.Feb 25 01:08
oiaohmas the baseball example shows you cannot tell a person not to use the prior experence directly it does not work.  It has to be written into the script carefully to bend the primed state or else it goes wrong.Feb 25 01:09
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XRevan86oiaohm: Sometimes I have to remind myself that I should use my expertise instead of trying to look at the problem barebones.Feb 25 01:19
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oiaohmReally you must have expertise that says look at the problem bare bones.Feb 25 01:21
oiaohmXRevan86: as you should notice there even when you think you are not using your expertise you normally are.Feb 25 01:21
oiaohmHuman brain for you.Feb 25 01:22
oiaohmThe stuff the brain does without your really knowing about.Feb 25 01:22
XRevan86I feel like I'm not good enough at building on my knowledge, I keep returning to basics.Feb 25 01:22
oiaohmThat is your trained in expertise that you are primed with.Feb 25 01:23
oiaohmOf course beating your primed state is very very hard.Feb 25 01:23
oiaohmXRevan86: the 42 min mark of that video they cover the method for attempting to alter you default primed state.Feb 25 01:24
oiaohmPlease note attempting.Feb 25 01:24
cubexyzclearFeb 25 01:25
oiaohmXRevan86: can you now see the different between expectations and primed.Feb 25 01:25
oiaohmYou may have expectation that something might happen when it does not your can be just supprised and fairly much happy about it.    Priming your brain basically jack knifes leading to a major jar in thinking going what the hell.Feb 25 01:27
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oiaohmFailure to short what is primed and what is expectations of the reader leaded to very bad script writing.Feb 25 01:28
XRevan86oiaohm: Adding first-hand experience to knowledge is extremely important, indeed.Feb 25 01:28
oiaohmThat keynote from 2020 LCA is a really good watch to understand how your brain screws with you dayly.Feb 25 01:29
oiaohmBy the way priming explains why most movie sequels are horrible to watch.  Not because the scripts are bad but the prior movie primed you.Feb 25 01:33
oiaohmEven if you never watched the prior movie.Feb 25 01:33
oiaohmYes hearing people taking about the prior movie down right can prime you.Feb 25 01:34
XRevan86When I have been told to do something, but which I never finished, and then that thing pops up again, that it still needs to be done, for some reason it gives me a feeling close to horror.Feb 25 01:34
oiaohmThat is normally primed from school where you have X time in class to get task done and teacher talks to you and you are not finished it normally because you are going to be in trouble.Feb 25 01:36
XRevan86Having not finishing a job in the past sets me up for failure to do it in the present.Feb 25 01:36
oiaohmYou are talking about the primed todo stuff nightmares.Feb 25 01:36
XRevan86* Having not finishedFeb 25 01:37
oiaohmOnce you understand that primed exists you also come able to see when you have been primed to a point.Feb 25 01:37
oiaohmNot that you will always be able to change it.Feb 25 01:37
oiaohmIf you know you are primed particular to screw something up and you can off load that work on someone who is not primed to screw it up this can be a really good move.Feb 25 01:38
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, the Barron's paywall breaks if you hit Reader Mode in Vivaldi and then exit Reader Mode.Feb 25 02:25
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DaemonFC[m]Oh, it's not an Opus bug. The FLAC had it too.Feb 25 02:55
DaemonFC[m]Apparently I just never noticed.Feb 25 02:55
DaemonFC[m]I played it on Youtube and checked and it was there too.Feb 25 03:00
DaemonFC[m]I liked the Stop Making Sense version of this one better anyway..Feb 25 03:04
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DaemonFC[m]Microsoft. The Edge of PRISM.Feb 25 03:16
superkuhAnd you may find yourself, using a javascript engine masquerading as a browser. And you may find yourself running black box DRM. And you may find yourself, unable to watch things from another region. And you may find yourself, running all this shit software. And you may find yourself on a beautiful box, with an open OS. And you may ask yourself? How did I get here?Feb 25 03:23
danielp3344lolFeb 25 03:24
DaemonFC[m]I did Psycho Killer and This Must Be The Place as karaoke at a Halloween Party last year.Feb 25 03:26
DaemonFC[m]I did the first because Halloween and the second because the people in the room wanted me to continue.Feb 25 03:27
DaemonFC[m]Wild Wild Life was in my sister-in-law's karaoke machine.Feb 25 03:29
DaemonFC[m]So I did that.Feb 25 03:29
DaemonFC[m]I sang so much I lost my voice.Feb 25 03:29
DaemonFC[m]It had several of Depeche Mode, then I moved to Phil Collins, then The Alan Parsons Project.Feb 25 03:31
DaemonFC[m]Just all over the place.Feb 25 03:31
DaemonFC[m]Wayne Newton......Feb 25 03:33
DaemonFC[m]His grandparents asked how I knew so many songs.Feb 25 03:34
DaemonFC[m]I said "About 3,000 CDs on my computer from over the years."Feb 25 03:35
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DaemonFC[m]Decided to try out BraveFeb 25 05:40
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*DaemonFC[m] > whispers "Pale Moon"...Feb 25 06:02
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XRevan86MinceR: "void main" – invalid, 2-/D-Feb 25 12:51
schestowitztry compiling with assembly compilersFeb 25 13:01
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XRevan86schestowitz: Sounds laborious.Feb 25 13:10
MinceR:)Feb 25 13:11
XRevan86I don't know any assembly well enough to understand what's going on there. I can tell that it won't work inlined in C though.Feb 25 13:12
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CrystalMathhi all!Feb 25 16:48
MinceRhiFeb 25 16:48
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schestowitz hello mr/mrs mathFeb 25 16:52
CrystalMathhi schestowitz! i can't recall if you've been to ##rms, but i remember your nicknameFeb 25 16:53
schestowitzi was in #gnu and #fsfFeb 25 16:55
schestowitzbut not recentlyFeb 25 16:56
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CrystalMathschestowitz: i joined the resistance after the RMS thingFeb 25 17:08
CrystalMathaka the free software 9/11Feb 25 17:08
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schestowitz2019 a whole was bad for  FSFeb 25 17:44
schestowitzBut I forgot all the bad things that happened in it, we made a list somewhereFeb 25 17:45
XRevan86Apparently United Russia is going to get itself renamed.Feb 25 17:45
MinceRto what?Feb 25 17:45
schestowitzUnited StateFeb 25 17:45
XRevan86MinceR: Unknown at this point.Feb 25 17:45
schestowitzUnited State of the UnionFeb 25 17:45
schestowitzUnited States is available soonFeb 25 17:46
schestowitzthe former US(SR) is coming Soviet TrumplandFeb 25 17:46
MinceRNational Communist Party of the Russian Empire, perhapsFeb 25 17:46
schestowitz*becomingFeb 25 17:46
MinceRoh wait, they wouldn't be so on the nose yetFeb 25 17:46
XRevan86A communist orthodox oligarchy?Feb 25 17:47
schestowitzLSD PartyFeb 25 17:47
XRevan86with monarchist tendensiesFeb 25 17:47
XRevan86* tendenciesFeb 25 17:47
MinceRConservative Party of RussiaFeb 25 17:47
MinceRor maybe they'll just go back to CPSUFeb 25 17:48
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Feb 25 17:48
XRevan86They say the word "Russia" will be kept, the word "United" will be removed. So I predict "People's Russia" %).Feb 25 17:48
schestowitzMinceR: it exists alreadyFeb 25 17:48
schestowitzit's known as GOPFeb 25 17:48
schestowitzGrand Old PutinFeb 25 17:48
MinceR:>Feb 25 17:48
MinceRXRevan86: Russia PartyFeb 25 17:49
MinceRPutin's RussiaFeb 25 17:49
schestowitzRattyFeb 25 17:49
MinceRi'd rather leave Ratty out of thisFeb 25 17:49
schestowitzwait, Ratty is a thing?Feb 25 17:49
XRevan86Oh, it is also going to be merged with the All-Russia People's FrontFeb 25 17:49
MinceRScooter referred to RattyFeb 25 17:50
MinceRwikipedia claims it refers to "some members of Scooter"Feb 25 17:50
MinceRXRevan86: All-Stars Russian Front?Feb 25 17:50
XRevan86> An all-star team is a group of people all having a high level of performance in their field.Feb 25 17:50
XRevan86MinceR: You wishFeb 25 17:51
MinceRthey wishFeb 25 17:51
MinceRThe OrderFeb 25 17:51
XRevan86> Member organizations: "Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine"Feb 25 17:51
XRevan86oy-veyFeb 25 17:51
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CrystalMathi don't believe in russian collusion, not one bitFeb 25 18:01
CrystalMathnot even for a secondFeb 25 18:01
CrystalMathTrump is simply not doing enough, IMOFeb 25 18:01
CrystalMathhe should have done a crackdown on this metoo thing in 2017Feb 25 18:01
MinceRhe's not doing enough russian collusion?Feb 25 18:01
CrystalMathno, he's not doing enough to fight the very same brand of leftism that attacked RMSFeb 25 18:02
CrystalMaththe people behind #MeToo are democrats, and they are to blame for everythingFeb 25 18:02
CrystalMaththey're the one making up "russian collusion" anywayFeb 25 18:02
MinceRperhaps because the important distinction is not "left" vs "right" but authoritarianism vs what used to be called liberalism and libertarianism before some authoritarians hijacked those words tooFeb 25 18:03
MinceRso authoritarianism vs the opposite of authoritarianismFeb 25 18:03
CrystalMaththey're the ones making up all this diversity crapFeb 25 18:03
CrystalMathTrump is their target, there are videos of them attacking Kavanaugh with nonsense allegationsFeb 25 18:03
MinceRcertainly not their only targetFeb 25 18:03
CrystalMathyeah, but i think i would sooner side with Trump on this, than not take a side at all, because Trump's enemies are dangerousFeb 25 18:04
MinceRLinux is in no way affiliated with trump, yet has fallen victim to crybulliesFeb 25 18:04
MinceRi would rather not side with any authoritarianFeb 25 18:04
MinceRespecially not one in whose crosshairs i happen to be inFeb 25 18:04
CrystalMathsure, Trump did some bad things too, like supporting Oracle's side in the important caseFeb 25 18:05
CrystalMathbut enemies of the great devil (MeToo and stuff) are our friends, at least for a whileFeb 25 18:06
MinceRuntil they find out i'm not religiousFeb 25 18:06
MinceRor that i don't support the local fascist partyFeb 25 18:06
MinceRwell, any of themFeb 25 18:07
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CrystalMathwell, i'm also not religiousFeb 25 18:07
schestowitzjobbikkFeb 25 18:07
CrystalMathbut i'm anti-EUFeb 25 18:07
MinceRnot just jobbikFeb 25 18:07
MinceRfidesz and mhm are fascists tooFeb 25 18:07
schestowitzjobikkkFeb 25 18:07
schestowitzthey bring jobsFeb 25 18:08
schestowitzto the kkkFeb 25 18:08
MinceRlolFeb 25 18:08
CrystalMathso i guess the "local far-right party" is the one i will vote for, they're the only ones who are against us joining the EUFeb 25 18:08
schestowitzburn chanrhcesFeb 25 18:08
schestowitzthen rebuildFeb 25 18:08
CrystalMathi can't pick and choose when it comes to this stuffFeb 25 18:08
schestowitzjob for builders... jobbik... vote today, da?Feb 25 18:08
CrystalMathin the US i would vote Trump... i don't agree with him always but the other side wants to destroy the presumption of innocence, and give people tax money just for being minoritiesFeb 25 18:09
CrystalMathi think i would rather die than watch that happenFeb 25 18:09
MinceRas for the EU -- as bad as that is, local authoritarians (like fidesz or the tories) can be even worseFeb 25 18:11
MinceRtoo bad they're so ineffective against themFeb 25 18:11
CrystalMaththe EU is a conglomerate of local authoritariansFeb 25 18:12
MinceRyes, but they're not as extreme as the examples i've mentionedFeb 25 18:12
CrystalMathit's local authoritarians working with other local authoritarians to make a global authoritarian regimeFeb 25 18:12
MinceRthey're at odds in exactly the "hey, let's not screw our citizens quite that much!" angle :>Feb 25 18:13
CrystalMathbrexit is the reason WHY tories got so many votesFeb 25 18:13
CrystalMathyou think all those voters are conservative?Feb 25 18:13
MinceRmaybe they were simply misled by the toriesFeb 25 18:13
CrystalMathnope... many just voted for Johnson to get brexitFeb 25 18:13
MinceRnot that it matters anymoreFeb 25 18:14
CrystalMathsome of those are socialistsFeb 25 18:14
CrystalMathwho just don't want the EUFeb 25 18:14
MinceRthey'll find out how hard they screwed up the hard way :>Feb 25 18:14
CrystalMaththe EU is bad and i am very proud of the UK for brexitFeb 25 18:14
MinceRthe EU bad and the tories are so much worseFeb 25 18:14
MinceRand the tories still dream of hammering through a deal the EU is not motivated to accept at allFeb 25 18:14
MinceRand they lied about all this to the Scottish, tooFeb 25 18:15
CrystalMathwhy is the EU not letting the leave in peace, come to think of itFeb 25 18:15
CrystalMathbecause it's an authoritarian regimeFeb 25 18:15
MinceRthey aren't?Feb 25 18:15
CrystalMathwhat's all this deal crap?Feb 25 18:15
CrystalMathwhy can't britain JUST leave?Feb 25 18:15
MinceRthey didn't want a deal where the UK has unlimited access to the common market but is not bound by any regulationsFeb 25 18:15
MinceRthey didn't want an arrangement where civil war would start again in irelandFeb 25 18:16
CrystalMaththe EU does not need to concern itself with irelandFeb 25 18:16
MinceRbritain could JUST leave, they just couldn't commit to it until they got the DUP out of the wayFeb 25 18:16
MinceRinterestingFeb 25 18:16
MinceRthe EU does not need to concern itself with one of its members?Feb 25 18:16
MinceRwhat does it need to concern itself with, then?Feb 25 18:16
CrystalMathoh that's right, they're members :(Feb 25 18:16
CrystalMathfunny, 5 years ago i said i'm only willing to go to ireland, and not the UKFeb 25 18:17
CrystalMathnowadays it's the oppositeFeb 25 18:17
MinceRand i suspect that northern ireland will leave the UK as wellFeb 25 18:17
CrystalMathi do believe in irish reunification, but i think that ireland as a whole should not be in the EUFeb 25 18:17
CrystalMathi don't have a say in that, but still, i find it sadFeb 25 18:18
CrystalMaththis way only NI is safe from EU tyrannyFeb 25 18:18
MinceRtyranny remains until people stop being authoritarianFeb 25 18:18
MinceREU or notFeb 25 18:18
MinceRthe EU itself could be a lot more benign if it wasn't controlled by the EPPFeb 25 18:18
CrystalMathif the EU was gone at leastFeb 25 18:19
CrystalMathauthoritarians would be aloneFeb 25 18:19
MinceRbut since the majority of the citizens are idiots, they keep voting for the EPPFeb 25 18:19
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MinceRif you think authoritarians being alone is good to the citizens, check out north koreaFeb 25 18:19
CrystalMathi disagree with EPP on their pro-europeanismFeb 25 18:20
CrystalMathi believe europe should not be unitedFeb 25 18:20
CrystalMathin any wayFeb 25 18:20
MinceRwould you rather have people harrassed at every border crossing inside what is now the EU?Feb 25 18:20
CrystalMathit doesn't mean we need to implement visasFeb 25 18:21
CrystalMathaccess could still be visa-freeFeb 25 18:21
MinceRwould you rather reignite the petty squabbles over what state gets to rule over areas with mixed populations?Feb 25 18:21
MinceRthat's still a union at some levelFeb 25 18:21
CrystalMathso i'm in a union with cuba?Feb 25 18:21
MinceRand indeed, there are other such unions, at least oneFeb 25 18:21
CrystalMathi can go to cuba visa-freeFeb 25 18:21
CrystalMathi can't overstay there, everFeb 25 18:22
CrystalMathi can't live thereFeb 25 18:22
CrystalMathbut i can visitFeb 25 18:22
CrystalMaththat's how it would be for europe tooFeb 25 18:22
MinceRwhy is it so important to you that people don't get to move around as freely?Feb 25 18:22
CrystalMathbecause that means the other country doesn't get to impose environmental crap on usFeb 25 18:23
CrystalMathnor the GDPRFeb 25 18:23
CrystalMathetc...Feb 25 18:23
MinceRenvironmental regulations are not the same as freedom of movementFeb 25 18:23
CrystalMathyes but with rights come responsibilitiesFeb 25 18:23
MinceRinterestingFeb 25 18:23
CrystalMathif we had freedom of movement with cuba, we'd have to implement some cuban lawsFeb 25 18:24
MinceRwhen will people apply this to the greatest concentrators of rights, the state?Feb 25 18:24
CrystalMathi believe the state should be minimalized, to have less rights, and thus less responsibilitiesFeb 25 18:24
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MinceRi agreeFeb 25 18:24
MinceRpreferably to nonexistenceFeb 25 18:24
MinceRthey've proven far too many times that they abuse every bit of power they getFeb 25 18:25
DaemonFC[m]You can turn off brave rewards. They're opt in anywayFeb 25 18:35
DaemonFC[m]They basically give you 70% of the money they got from the ad and then you can either cash it out and keep it or give it to the sites you read.Feb 25 18:36
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DaemonFC[m]The ad blocker in brave is faster than an extension.Feb 25 18:49
DaemonFC[m]They wrote it in Rust and integrated it directly into the browser.Feb 25 18:50
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DaemonFC[m]They probably make rewards optional so nobody bothers forking it just for the adblock and tor stuff and leaving rewards out.Feb 25 19:01
DaemonFC[m]Search deals all where browsers have usually gotten their money, and that's led to another conflict of interest in Firefox.Feb 25 19:02
DaemonFC[m]They say they like privacy, but Google.Feb 25 19:02
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CrystalMathbtw, there are some facts in the FSF that are not favorable to the lynch mobFeb 25 19:56
CrystalMathspeaking about them could undermine RMS's efforts to protect the FSFFeb 25 19:56
schestowitzyes, we knowFeb 25 19:58
schestowitzit's a tricky situation tbhFeb 25 19:58
schestowitzbut we adopted a strategyFeb 25 19:58
schestowitznavigating based on inside info we haveFeb 25 19:58
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MinceRthe FSF has already failed regardless, and so has RMSFeb 25 20:23
MinceRsystemd is one of the greatest software freedom issues today, and neither are willing to even say anything substantial about itFeb 25 20:23
DaemonFC[m]Free Software is a threat to Free Software. Feb 25 20:25
DaemonFC[m]Firefox has always had substantial conflicts of interest with its users because of the whole need to make money to pay salaries thing.Feb 25 20:26
danielp3344What about the intel ME?Feb 25 20:27
danielp3344<MinceR "systemd is one of the greatest s"> that's ridiculousFeb 25 20:27
DaemonFC[m]Then they were ambushed by Google, who decided that pouring money into Mozilla no longer suited them and by having their own browser, they could eventually cripple the ad blockers and remove them when Firefox no longer posed them any threat.Feb 25 20:27
danielp3344Cell networks?Feb 25 20:27
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danielp3344nonfree js?Feb 25 20:27
danielp3344Systemd provides all 4 freedoms and is free softwareFeb 25 20:28
DaemonFC[m]Then they pushed further by integrating a filter into Chrome that's far nastier than no ad blockee at all.Feb 25 20:28
DaemonFC[m]Because it lets all sorts of privacy invading and obnoxious crap in, as long as it's from Google's ad network.Feb 25 20:28
CrystalMathgoogle had no problem with adblockingFeb 25 20:29
danielp3344MinceR: Many of us are fighting the death of general purpose computing itself and you're complaining about init systems?Feb 25 20:29
DaemonFC[m]They created a Coalition for Better Ads so it's not so obvious who is pulling the strings, and it's Google.Feb 25 20:29
CrystalMathit mostly hurts their competitionFeb 25 20:29
DaemonFC[m]And then they set to work banning a ton of ads that behaved in ways theirs didn't. Feb 25 20:30
DaemonFC[m]It's looking like you earn so little from BAT that most people should probably just turn it off.Feb 25 20:30
DaemonFC[m]But it's far less obnoxious and in your face to get Brave working than any other browser.Feb 25 20:31
DaemonFC[m]So maybe they'll win some market share.Feb 25 20:31
MinceRdanielp3344: systemd itself is an attack against the general purpose computerFeb 25 20:31
danielp3344MinceR: NO!Feb 25 20:32
MinceRit is an attempt to co-opt the free software we have now into something centrally controlled by ibm/nsaFeb 25 20:32
danielp3344MinceR: its free software!Feb 25 20:32
MinceRto take away control from usersFeb 25 20:32
DaemonFC[m]To get Firefox working, you need to turn off Telemetry, Experiments, Pocket, and Sponsored Stories.Feb 25 20:32
danielp3344MinceR: absolutely notFeb 25 20:32
danielp3344If it does something I dont like I can change itFeb 25 20:32
danielp3344And we know exactly what it doesFeb 25 20:32
MinceRyes, and then the applications and DEs that depend on it will break soonFeb 25 20:32
DaemonFC[m]Brave asks you if you want BAT and if you don't, it works without BAT.Feb 25 20:32
danielp3344MinceR: I can hack those into working tooFeb 25 20:33
MinceRand you'll get to choose whether to abandon the applications and DEs, your changes, or try to keep up with the churn of idiotic undocumented codeFeb 25 20:33
danielp3344they are also free softwareFeb 25 20:33
danielp3344that's the pointFeb 25 20:33
MinceRno, they are notFeb 25 20:33
danielp3344MinceR: if enough people want it they will make forksFeb 25 20:33
MinceRhow's that working out for you?Feb 25 20:33
danielp3344MinceR: I wouldn't knowFeb 25 20:34
DaemonFC[m]People still use GNOME on BSD and Solaris. Feb 25 20:34
danielp3344I dont have any problems with upstream yetFeb 25 20:34
danielp3344MinceR: FWIW I dont know of any DEs that don't work without systemdFeb 25 20:34
DaemonFC[m]Linux isn't a hard requirement, but these other operating systems aren't a real choice for most people.Feb 25 20:34
MinceRso BSD and Solaris are more free than systemd/Linux?Feb 25 20:34
DaemonFC[m]The setup is worse than mid 90s Linux and they often don't have drivers for something. Feb 25 20:34
MinceRthe way things are going, Linux will soon be far worse than thatFeb 25 20:35
MinceRor should i say "Microsoft® Linux®"?Feb 25 20:36
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DaemonFC[m]I'm sticking with Fedora because the alternatives are more of a broken pain in the ass than that, too small to have confidence in long term, or just so little gain for learning a whole new thing.Feb 25 20:44
MinceRi don't think i've seen many distros as broken as fedora :>Feb 25 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Debian has made some weird and totally unjustifiable and unsustainable decisions and then had to back them out again after they couldn't really maintain it and it aged badly or turned into a securitt hole dumpster fire.Feb 25 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Libav for instance. Feb 25 20:45
DaemonFC[m]I like the idea of private window with tor.Feb 25 20:47
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DaemonFC[m]More work needs to be done, but it's much better than private windows that your ISP or free wifi can monitor easily.Feb 25 20:47
DaemonFC[m]I poked around Brave and found that along with the ad blocker, it has an option to screw around with data that can be used in a fingerprint attack.Feb 25 20:48
DaemonFC[m]It also builds https everywhere in.Feb 25 20:48
MinceRhave they fixed saving pages to disk yet?Feb 25 20:49
DaemonFC[m]It seems that they're getting a lot of things right that Mozilla is obviously never going to do.Feb 25 20:49
MinceRlast time i checked it just saved the html as "_html", no contentsFeb 25 20:49
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DaemonFC[m]Firefox is absolutely falling apart and the fact that that study showed it to be comparable to Safari and Chrome for your privacy really showed their privacy campaign for the bullshit it really is.Feb 25 20:50
DaemonFC[m]One of the reasons I started a bug hunt on GNOME Web was so that some of the big problems with it would be flushed out and fixed so it would stop pissing me off.Feb 25 20:51
DaemonFC[m]The browser should be an afterthought that just works so well that extensions aren't really that important. Much less stuffing it full of them.Feb 25 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Chrome's extension platform is a piece of shit that's even worse than classic XUL add ons. And Mozilla implemented it because there's no way to expect people to continue doing major surgery for an extension that's not for Chrome these days.Feb 25 20:53
MinceRhuh?Feb 25 20:54
DaemonFC[m]Instead of admitting that's why they did it, they tried saying it's better. Which is apparently why Overbite and Video Download Helper and stuff need binary programs installed to work now. Feb 25 20:55
MinceRthere were plenty of people willing to maintain and write extensions for XULFeb 25 20:55
MinceRthere were several that couldn't even be implemented on WebExtensionsFeb 25 20:55
MinceRmozilla didn't care, they wrecked their own browser anywayFeb 25 20:55
DaemonFC[m]Ugh. Sitting at CLC waiting on Mandy.Feb 25 20:55
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DaemonFC[m]There's a Ken Wins up there on his cell phone.Feb 25 20:56
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR He eventually annoys Walt so much that he blows up his BMW while he's inside paying for gas.Feb 25 20:57
MinceR:)Feb 25 20:58
DaemonFC[m]He left the BMW unlocked, so Walt reaches in, pops the hood, lines up the positive and negative battery terminals against the metal back end on a squeegee and then quickly walks away while the car bursts into flames.Feb 25 21:00
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR It's the foreshadowing of Walt knowing he's dying of cancer and not being afraid of anything anymore.Feb 25 21:01
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DaemonFC[m]By far the least believable part of Breaking Bad is that Ken Wins is driving a 1996 BMW that still works in 2008.Feb 25 21:19
DaemonFC[m]That's a joke of course. A few cars of any kind just never seem to die, no matter how infamous they are for unreliability. Feb 25 21:21
DaemonFC[m]There's a few old Yugos that still run.Feb 25 21:22
DaemonFC[m]Edmunds bought one to blog about. It broke down on them so much that they ended up spending more than anyone who wanted to use it as practical transportation would.Feb 25 21:22
DaemonFC[m]But BMW is like that too.Feb 25 21:22
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XRevan86MinceR: The best part is that he's faking the L/R merger %).Feb 25 22:30
MinceR:)Feb 25 22:31
XRevan86As he says "look, rook", where "r" is either a retroflex or a postalveolar approximant (I cannot tell them apart).Feb 25 22:39
XRevan86And the kind of R that is close to L is an alveolar tap.Feb 25 22:39
XRevan86So he said instead of 25 22:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | File:Alveolar tap.ogg - WikipediaFeb 25 22:40
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XRevan86This and that he switched from one to another shows that it's an intentional play on stereotype but not a well-planned one %).Feb 25 22:41
XRevan86So he's playing a stereotype playing a stereotypeFeb 25 22:42
XRevan86Should've gone deeper.Feb 25 22:42
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