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MinceRthe people who noticed it never were in NKJul 25 00:00
DaemonFC[m]Ricin umbrellaJul 25 00:01
MinceRSiri, how big is the Serengeti?Jul 25 00:01
DaemonFC[m]More pictures of spaghetti!Jul 25 00:01
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DaemonFC[m]Funflatables rules.Jul 25 00:02
DaemonFC[m]No fun. No flatables.Jul 25 00:02
DaemonFC[m]Well, the flatables were indeed flattened I suppose.Jul 25 00:03
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DaemonFC[m]They do not seem fun in their flattened state.Jul 25 00:03
scientesThe thing is, I refuse to switch off the older distros as want to be able to download the source of the distrobution and rebuild itJul 25 00:04
scientesand newer distros like arch depend on the internetJul 25 00:04
scientesthere is really just rhel/fedora, debian, and suse leftJul 25 00:05
scientesMinceR, here is a good example of the cultJul 25 00:08
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scientesoh hmmJul 25 00:09
MinceR:)Jul 25 00:09
scienteshmm 25 00:09
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MinceRwhat is the purpose of debian-private?Jul 25 00:10
scientesyeah they all just got renumberedJul 25 00:10
MinceRmaybe a lot of them were deleted :>Jul 25 00:10
schestowitzscientes: I saw that recentlyJul 25 00:20
schestowitzI think it was in Pocock's siteJul 25 00:20
schestowitz[23:15] <scientes> schestowitz, what was the report of regulatory capture of Debian by Google?Jul 25 00:23
schestowitzGSoC money of Google money for debian kept secretJul 25 00:23
schestowitzand punishment against those who speak out about itJul 25 00:23
scientesit is really more of the idiocy i was talking howeverJul 25 00:24
scientesGoogle these days is dominated buy the USS cult ship of foolsJul 25 00:24
kingoffranceput another way: cult doesnt bother me if ppl say "cult of x" then we know what they are cultivating ; if they just say "cult" i think its derogatory thoughJul 25 00:24
scientestheir advertisment mode has infected every departmentJul 25 00:24
kingoffranceoverused i should sayJul 25 00:24
MinceRit's meant to be derogatoryJul 25 00:26
kingoffranceyeah i dont think originally it was thoughJul 25 00:31
kingoffranceanyways, not gonna cancel culture anyoneJul 25 00:31
schestowitznow it's a verb?Jul 25 00:33
kingoffrancei could said not gonna coc anyoneJul 25 00:34
kingoffrance*couldaJul 25 00:34
schestowitzAnother all-time high for the US today, in terms of newly-confirmed #covid19 cases. Also about 1100+ deaths for fourth day in a row.Jul 25 00:34
schestowitzIt is also a global all-time high for new #covid19 cases. Will we see a million cases a day by summer's end?Jul 25 00:36
DaemonFC[m]One of the amusements that was open was the airsoft range with AR-15 airsoft rifles. Unfortunately, it was filled to capacity with black people shooting at things.Too much like real life in Illinois.Jul 25 00:52
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DaemonFC[m]Some people think it disappeared, but pictures of it were seen soon after those statements were made.Jul 25 00:57
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "hasn't that blip on the map disa"> it was a very large blip too.Jul 25 00:57
DaemonFC[m]A very short and round blip.Jul 25 00:57
DaemonFC[m]Inspecting the nuclear project from a socially isolated distance through really big binoculars. Jul 25 00:58
DaemonFC[m]I'm talking Chinese tourist camera lens size binoculars. Jul 25 00:58
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's just like the far right to play up fears around a country the size of Indiana.Jul 25 00:59
DaemonFC[m]"What _are_ they doing in there?"Jul 25 01:00
DaemonFC[m]Communist things. Asian things. I don't know. Communist Asian things. Jul 25 01:00
schestowitzlaw and order presidentJul 25 01:00
schestowitztrumpJul 25 01:00
schestowitzdoing the most illegal things, ever...Jul 25 01:01
DaemonFC[m]He has the best illegal things.Jul 25 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Some would say the greatest.Jul 25 01:01
schestowitzbut the dumb voters apparently view "law and order" as code for "whites on top"Jul 25 01:01
schestowitzwith the knee to the neckJul 25 01:01
schestowitzor boot on the skullJul 25 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much. Jul 25 01:01
DaemonFC[m]There's going to be more riots if they don't convict those cops of something. I'm telling you.Jul 25 01:02
schestowitz"law and order" duterteJul 25 01:03
schestowitzthe "enforcer"Jul 25 01:03
schestowitzexcept against his own mafiaJul 25 01:04
DaemonFC[m]They'd better stall this until after the election. If more riots break out, Trump will say he had no choice and deploy the military.Jul 25 01:04
schestowitzI am going to the gym in 8 hours Jul 25 01:06
schestowitzit opened in about 6Jul 25 01:06
schestowitz*opensJul 25 01:06
schestowitzfor the first time in more than 4 monthsJul 25 01:06
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DaemonFC[m]Right after Florida forced Trump's propaganda theater out of Jacksonville, he issued a bew threat to invade the cities with 75,000 federal troops. Then he openly wondered why we weren't "inviting him to go in".Jul 25 01:06
DaemonFC[m]I'm like, "Oh, it's vampire rules. He can't come in unless you invite him. That's comforting.".Jul 25 01:07
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kingoffranceno wonder your president is an actor, he must be with all the cameras everywhere -- doc brownJul 25 01:16
DaemonFC[m]Trump the vampire. "I don't know why they aren't inviting me in, blah blah blah! I just want their blood, blah blah blah! I could totally come in without asking, blah blah blah! But I'll stoop to waiting for them to beg! Blah blah blah!"Jul 25 01:23
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: John used to tell people he worked with at the TSA what breed of cat Bobbi Jo is and they reported him for using a racial slur.Jul 25 01:37
DaemonFC[m]He had to pull up a Wikipedia page on his phone to show the supervisor that a Maine Coon is a type of cat.Jul 25 01:38
DaemonFC[m]"Federal eviction protections expire and Congress leaves town." Yeah, sounds about right.Jul 25 01:41
DaemonFC[m]"Do you want a million bankruptcy filings? Because this is how you get a million bankruptcy filings."Jul 25 01:42
DaemonFC[m]They're setting up the perfect storm. The Republicans think they're pressuring people to "Go back to work.", but they're actually sparking an unprecedented wave of bankruptcy filing that causes a banking crisis.Jul 25 01:43
superkuhWell, banking isn't real.Jul 25 01:45
superkuhI suppose the crises would be people realizing that.Jul 25 01:45
superkuhIt seems unlikely.Jul 25 01:45
DaemonFC[m]It seems to me that the "change shortage" is created to pressure people to put cash in the bank so that they can spend it.Jul 25 01:45
DaemonFC[m]What I've been doing if I want to pay cash is telling them to put the change on my debit card.Jul 25 01:46
DaemonFC[m]So far it hasn't gotten too bad here. Most stores will give change but they won't break dollars for quarters.Jul 25 01:47
superkuhI've only heard of it in the context of broadcast news media performing their circus.Jul 25 01:50
superkuhI always pay in cash for all things in person.Jul 25 01:50
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DaemonFC[m]Well, between Mandy's 10% Walmart discount and the 5% we get from the credit card, it's worth buying most stuff online.Jul 25 03:12
DaemonFC[m]Then I get 2% at restaurants and Murphy/Walmart gas stations. So I pull over at the Walmart gas station and fill up there.Jul 25 03:12
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: My cat is a racist.Jul 25 03:14
DaemonFC[m]She's a Coon cat. Jul 25 03:14
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DaemonFC[m]We obviously need to rename the breed lest someone takes offense.Jul 25 03:17
DaemonFC[m]"Reputed for its intelligence and playful, gentle personality, the Maine Coon is often cited as having "dog-like" characteristics."Jul 25 03:18
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They're my favorite type of cat. I found her at the shelter and I was like "John, there are two Maine Coons over here!Jul 25 03:21
DaemonFC[m]The females are much smaller than the males. A male can get up to nearly 30 pounds sometimes. Jul 25 03:21
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DaemonFC[m]I need to get new tags for Bobbi and Leeloo with my new phone number on them.Jul 25 03:23
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schestowitzRe: SECJul 25 03:28
schestowitz> Part of their process is reminding you, the whistleblower, somewhat regularly that they will not keep you current on their investigation. After they’re done with their questions, you really have no idea if they found your concerns as having merit or what degree of diligence they were given, if any at all. Jul 25 03:28
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schestowitzI think freenode is 'stable' againJul 25 03:39
schestowitzI checked and compared split 'sides'Jul 25 03:39
schestowitzI think we lost nothingJul 25 03:39
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: sorry I was not so responsive yesterdayJul 25 03:40
schestowitzhad lots of catching up to do over hereJul 25 03:40
DaemonFC[m]We went out to eat for our anniversary.Jul 25 03:42
DaemonFC[m]I think for the most part it was safe, but I did wear both my masks at the mall.Jul 25 03:43
DaemonFC[m]After about 30-40 minutes it gets uncomfortable though and I have to go outside.Jul 25 03:43
schestowitzmakes senseJul 25 03:44
DaemonFC[m]The mall is mostly open, but there's a few stores that are having bankruptcy sales.Jul 25 03:45
DaemonFC[m]It was kind of sad really, but busier than I thought it would be.Jul 25 03:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rule of Law and Human Rights - United Nations and the Rule of LawJul 25 04:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: don't buy what you don't needJul 25 04:04
schestowitznot the right time anymoreJul 25 04:04
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DaemonFC[m]Trump's megadonors have abandoned him and are pouring money into the Senate.Jul 25 05:22
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schestowitz"Luc has proven that he is doing more than just talking about the issue. His tenure at Red Hat is a testament to proving out a model for closing the gender gap. In 2014, women represented 5% of his Red Hat sales team and now they account for 30%."Jul 25 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Women Talk Tech Episode 20: Closing the Gap Requires Men and Women - Marie WieseJul 25 05:31
schestowitzNotice they limit that to "sales"Jul 25 05:31
schestowitzthey don't want to talk about engineering sideJul 25 05:32
kingoffrance^^^Jul 25 05:36
kingoffrancehey look over there!Jul 25 05:36
Ariadneeven FOX has abandoned trumpJul 25 05:41
schestowitzhas it fully?Jul 25 05:51
schestowitzor only on occasions, or depending on anchor (person-dependent)?Jul 25 05:51
Ariadnein general, it hasJul 25 05:51
Ariadnetucker still loves him i guessJul 25 05:51
Ariadnebut the majority of anchors have abandoned himJul 25 05:52
Ariadneand FOX's own polling shows trump is going to loseJul 25 05:52
Ariadnewhich is good we need to eject the fashJul 25 05:52
schestowitzI read he had 'trashed' FoxJul 25 05:52
DaemonFC[m]Trump tried to play a video of the crackdown in Portland and Fox News cut away and said it was despicable and they wouldn't show it to their viewers. This is big.Jul 25 05:53
schestowitzusing his twitler account to say, reject foxJul 25 05:53
DaemonFC[m]I thought Fox was such a sewer that they would just let him do whatever he wanted.Jul 25 05:54
schestowitzit this like... a very new news, DaemonFC[m]?Jul 25 05:54
schestowitzLike hours old?Jul 25 05:54
DaemonFC[m]For him to go so far over the line that Fox News won't have any part of it and cuts away is "unpresidented" (Trump spelling from a tweet.Jul 25 05:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fox cut away from a disturbing Portland video shown at WH briefing - Business InsiderJul 25 05:55
schestowitzso I suppose Rupe and Orange won't be golfing any time soonJul 25 05:56
DaemonFC[m]2008 was pretty bad, but even under W there wasn't a disgusting last minute spectacle like this.Jul 25 05:56
schestowitzhe did go too far with the SSJul 25 05:58
schestowitznever mind if they show it or notJul 25 05:58
schestowitzif it cost him media support, so be itJul 25 05:58
DaemonFC[m]Well, it was a dry run to see what they would do. He wants a spectacle and if they start all cutting away from it then he'll probably lose interest because that's who Trump is at his core.Jul 25 05:59
schestowitzCan Orange speak any Spanish?Jul 25 05:59
schestowitzI mean, for a unilingual creature his English is shitJul 25 05:59
DaemonFC[m]Remember he appeals to low IQ people who think watching him get a haircut from Vince McMahon on Monday Night Wrestling is entertainment. Jul 25 06:00
schestowitzlolJul 25 06:01
DaemonFC[m]Nazi goons with unmarked vans, riots. Mandy thinks I'm insane for planning to immediately put in for a new gun permit as soon as this damned probation expires.Jul 25 06:01
schestowitzwell, your parents will still vote for thisJul 25 06:01
DaemonFC[m]More than likely. Especially my dad. He got the whole low rent Ernst Rohm thing down with his KMart suspenders.Jul 25 06:02
DaemonFC[m]They're so far to the right that it is absolute fascism. They don't even seem to notice or care that Joe Biden is essentially a 2000 Republican who isn't so outspokenly racist, but yeah. Drawing in support and stump speeches from 143 Bush Administration officials and former Ohio Governor John Kasich. They would never stump for Biden if he was actually going to bring about a Green New Deal or something. I'm only votinJul 25 06:07
DaemonFC[m]for Biden because it's that or a gibbering orange vegetable who shouts random nonsense and puckers up his mouth like an anal sphincter for the cameras. Jul 25 06:07
schestowitzI find his voice funnyJul 25 06:08
schestowitznot just the lack of substanceJul 25 06:08
schestowitzfor a TV personality it's a real hootJul 25 06:09
DaemonFC[m]My mom thinks I'm a Communist or something, but most people who actually know anything about politics know that most of my views are pretty in line with the Libertarian Party. The thing at issue here, for me, is that the government does two things well. Rip us off and create problems. So, it won't go away under Biden, but Trump is causing more problems, and it's a two party system.Jul 25 06:09
schestowitzOne partyJul 25 06:09
schestowitztwo factionsJul 25 06:09
schestowitzor two wings, one birdJul 25 06:09
kingoffrancehe reminds me of some guy doing standup and then they clap and the real speaker comes out...except he doesnt leaveJul 25 06:10
schestowitzbut the shift to the right continuesJul 25 06:10
schestowitzlooks possible Kasich will be VP-electJul 25 06:10
schestowitzthat's how far you move rightJul 25 06:10
kingoffrancelike corporate "comedy hour" to break the ice...but then thats the whole speechJul 25 06:10
schestowitzTrump as a "drill" preparing the left to vote rightJul 25 06:10
schestowitz(Biden)Jul 25 06:10
schestowitzright as in "corporate"Jul 25 06:10
schestowitzderegulation, poor-shaming, wars etc.Jul 25 06:11
DaemonFC[m]It does. In the US, the Libertarian Party is kind of "socially progressive and fiscally conservative", and if you look at what the government has actually done with the military and Social Security, it's a big disaster. Right? Social Security is going to fall apart in less than 10 years, and we spent $2 trillion a year that we borrowed from China to sail boats through China and tell them to mind themselves. This isJul 25 06:11
DaemonFC[m]not going to end well. Trump jabbing China with no plan to make us actually independent from their money or exports.Jul 25 06:11
kingoffranceits almost like a school assembly "comedy hour" for nutrition or abstinence or somethingJul 25 06:12
kingoffranceminus ace of baseJul 25 06:13
DaemonFC[m]Trump is the biggest damned idiot that has ever held any elected office that I am aware of, and we have some bad ones here in Illinois. Jul 25 06:13
DaemonFC[m]The guy would lose the first round of "Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?".Jul 25 06:14
DaemonFC[m]He won the election because he found enough voters in enough places that also are not.Jul 25 06:14
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DaemonFC[m]Who told me to shut up when I told them that if a disaster, any disaster, happened, we'd be finished, because Trump is too stupid and incompetent to deal with it.Jul 25 06:15
DaemonFC[m]He's extremely dangerous because he's a moron who projects a lot of confidence, and some people eat that up.Jul 25 06:16
DaemonFC[m]If Obama had still been in office, we'd have had those protective measures in place. Actual measures. I think that 90% of this disaster would have been avoided.Jul 25 06:19
DaemonFC[m]The problem is this thing gets in and then it grows out exponentially from there. Trump spend so long thumbing his nose at Democrats and golfing that we had no chance.Jul 25 06:20
DaemonFC[m]Well, the official reason why Biden pulled out ahead at the end is black Democrats. They're actually very conservative even though they are poor. Now that COVID-19 is here, Trump decided "make lemonade out of lemons" and is letting eviction protections and unemployment benefits expire as a tripling down of trying to kill black voters.Jul 25 06:23
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schestowitzthis sOUNDS like a potential bridge towards Sony DRMJul 25 07:20
schestowitzrestricting one's access to one's own systemJul 25 07:21
schestowitzin the name of "Debugging" in this caseJul 25 07:21
schestowitzsee comment here 25 07:22
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DaemonFC[m]I can't think of a legitimate reason to lock down access to debugfs. Jul 25 07:22
DaemonFC[m]It's read only, and if a malicious application is running, you're already screwed.Jul 25 07:23
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schestowitzSony software is maliciousJul 25 07:28
schestowitzand future consoles might use LinuxJul 25 07:28
schestowitznot some BSDsJul 25 07:28
schestowitzand they want something by which to limit access to the FSJul 25 07:28
schestowitzwith BSD it may have been easierJul 25 07:28
schestowitzand you cannot recompile their bastardised kernelJul 25 07:29
schestowitzto unlock the system at file levelJul 25 07:29
schestowitzI want the system to break my own system (which I wish)Jul 25 07:31
schestowitzmalicious programs can do all sorts of other nasty thingsJul 25 07:31
schestowitzbreaking the FS might not be as bad as ransomwareJul 25 07:32
schestowitzor blackmail by extracting personal dataJul 25 07:32
schestowitzand if you have backups, file destruction you can partly recover fromJul 25 07:32
schestowitz(old snapshot)Jul 25 07:32
schestowitzdoesn't work against extortion over data they hold on youJul 25 07:32
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oiaohmschestowitz:  Sorry to say the debugfs flag off was going to be done by someone sooner or latter there are a long list of cve they only work with debugfs enabled.Jul 25 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CVE-2018-5858 : In the audio debugfs in all Android releases from CAF using the Linux kernel (Android for MSM, Firefox OS for MSM, QRD AJul 25 08:10
oiaohmschestowitz:  This one is the more possible evil.Jul 25 08:13
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: there are quite a few different CVE issue that even read only debugfs access has made possible.    So there are in fact security reasons to restrict access to debugfs.Jul 25 08:57
oiaohmSo restricted debugfs access someone was going to-do it sooner or latter.Jul 25 08:58
MinceR25 041802 < DaemonFC[m]> "Reputed for its intelligence and playful, gentle personality, the Maine Coon is often cited as having "dog-like" characteristics."Jul 25 09:15
MinceRi don't see how any of those characteristics are "dog-like"Jul 25 09:15
MinceR 25 09:17
oiaohmI kind of agree its more the personalities people assign to dogs without ever knowing them.Jul 25 09:17
oiaohmGentle and Playful lot of cases don't apply to cattle working dogs.Jul 25 09:18
oiaohmIts why you must ask before touching dog.   I remember the one dog I had that was named Bouncer.   He would look like a Gentle and Playful dog until you got close enough and he could get your nuts.Jul 25 09:19
oiaohmDogs can be the most vengeful creatures ever.  Jul 25 09:20
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schestowitzMinceR: as crude as it seems on the surface?Jul 25 12:44
schestowitzis there a 'catch'?Jul 25 12:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why did I just receive an ad for Mozilla's blog via push notification? : firefoxJul 25 12:52
*XRevan86 didn't get any of that.Jul 25 12:52
XRevan86I wonder if it's my locale or that they forgot about Firefox 79.Jul 25 12:52
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schestowitzXRevan86: sounds typicalJul 25 13:01
schestowitzmozilla is lostJul 25 13:02
schestowitzfigosdev calls it NOZilleJul 25 13:02
schestowitzI called it MSZilla this morningJul 25 13:02
schestowitzthey pushed mono/unityJul 25 13:02
schestowitzthey're truly lostJul 25 13:02
XRevan86This is… plain intrusive.Jul 25 13:08
XRevan86Are they forgetting what programmes are for? They're tools for the job.Jul 25 13:09
XRevan86And the job isn't campaigning for a political cause.Jul 25 13:09
XRevan86schestowitz: And I am lost, too.Jul 25 13:09
psydroidlolJul 25 13:10
XRevan86Their campaign for the open web should be a natural extension of what kind of software they're making, but instead there's a conflict of interest.Jul 25 13:12
XRevan86They're ruining their browser in name of their campaign.Jul 25 13:13
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psydroidfor me Firefox will have the same fate as Chromium, that is just being another browser kept around for legacy purposes but not even really neededJul 25 13:19
psydroidor desiredJul 25 13:19
psydroidthey are effectively FOSS malware, who would have thought so when they were first released?Jul 25 13:21
XRevan86psydroid: What are you talking about, Chromium is a massive successJul 25 13:21
XRevan86As a codebase it has become The BrowserJul 25 13:22
XRevan86This world belongs to Chromium now.Jul 25 13:23
psydroidat collecting users' data? yes, a massive success indeedJul 25 13:23
XRevan86psydroid: At being irreplacableJul 25 13:25
XRevan86* irreplaceableJul 25 13:25
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XRevan86psydroid: Pale Moon?Jul 25 13:33
psydroidXRevan86, Pale Moon and Arctic FoxJul 25 13:34
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psydroidXrevan86, actually no, but I only fire it up when really needed. I know some other browsers such as Konqueror and Falkon use WebEngine, but the problem should be dealt with at the root and that is the incommensurate influence and control Google has over the internetJul 25 14:35
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schestowitz[13:13] <XRevan86> They're ruining their browser in name of their campaign.Jul 25 17:15
schestowitzI call them a political party nowJul 25 17:15
schestowitzbecause oftentimes they act like itJul 25 17:16
schestowitzthat they ties this into the browser GUI is concerningJul 25 17:16
schestowitzwhen I open a new tab in Firefox that have notifications there pushing itJul 25 17:16
schestowitzbut I never allow PUSH notificationsJul 25 17:16
schestowitzif they resorted to this too, then they're hijacked by non-software peopleJul 25 17:16
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psydroidit's been clear for a while that Mozilla wants to be like Google, except they don't really have that level of "success" implementing their planJul 25 17:37
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kingoffrancei was going to ask what happened to rust but 25 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A browser plugin for UnityJul 25 17:48
kingoffrance"we have built a new Unity component based on Servo, a modern web engine written in the Rust language. "Jul 25 17:48
kingoffrance  64-bit only, mac/linux/androidJul 25 17:51
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kingoffrancethat doesnt surprise me at allJul 25 17:51
kingoffrancemodern chrome needs "recent" cpu too for special instructionsJul 25 17:53
kingoffrancethey just have a different definition of portable than me Jul 25 17:53
kingoffrancedifferent definition of "unity" too of courseJul 25 17:57
psydroiddoes it need those instructions?Jul 25 18:00
psydroidand doesn't work without them?Jul 25 18:00
oiaohmpsydroid: on chrome ' Intel Pentium 4 processor or later that's SSE2 capable'   That is noted because google build is using SSE2 in compiler flags so yes binary will fail without it.   Its just like Linux chrome build is only 64 bit.  Chromuim can be built without needing SSE2 and in 32 bit.Jul 25 18:10
kingoffranceat least official builds, i found via knoppixJul 25 18:10
kingoffranceok, good to know oiaohm Jul 25 18:10
kingoffrancei was worried it was js engine or somethingJul 25 18:10
oiaohmservo on the other hand the upstream source is 64 bit only.Jul 25 18:10
kingoffrancelolJul 25 18:10
schestowitz[17:48] <kingoffrance> i was going to ask what happened to rust but 25 18:12
schestowitzunity = microsoft monoJul 25 18:12
schestowitzand serve, rust etc. are on Microsoft servers, developed there using proprietary softwareJul 25 18:12
schestowitzto me, this is the mozilla of todayJul 25 18:12
schestowitzso I moved all machines away from FF, except when I write a blog post (I need the browsing history there to find references with auto-complete)Jul 25 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Even trying to bump things to SSE2 sometimes breaks software. Fedora tried to bump all of the i686 libraries to SSE2 and ended up breaking numerous Steam games.Jul 25 18:16
DaemonFC[m]The only place where it's a safe assumption with proprietary software is on x86-64 since it was mandatory.Jul 25 18:16
kingoffranceyeah i dont follow modern game stuff, didnt know unity was mono :/Jul 25 18:18
kingoffrancehavent seen any reason to jump to rust eitherJul 25 18:18
kingoffranceits like the people doing such things tend to cluster togetherJul 25 18:19
DaemonFC[m]Well, so is OpenRA. OpenRA is using Mono.Jul 25 18:20
oiaohmschestowitz:   Its been getting less mono over the years.Jul 25 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Replacing MonoDevelop-Unity with Visual Studio Community starting in Unity 2018.1MonoDevelop-Unity から Visual Studio Community へ変更 - Unity 2018.1 から 開始 - Unity Technologies BlogJul 25 18:22
oiaohmschestowitz: and more microsoft.Jul 25 18:22
kingoffrancewhy am i not surprisedJul 25 18:22
psydroidso more .NET?Jul 25 18:22
DaemonFC[m]Seems that the COVID-19 death rate started falling fast because they presumed that without death reports, the people who tested positive for it lived and closed over a million cases, but then they eventually caught up with the 2.1 million confirmed active cases out there and it's been falling less than 1/10th of a percent per day lately.Jul 25 18:22
DaemonFC[m]So at this rate.... I'm still saying I was probably right. That it ends up at 5% of confirmed cases in the end. We've closed out 2.2 million cases in the US, so the wave of people living and diluting the death rate which the far right was counting on has pretty much happened. leaving us with over triple the death rate which they said this thing probably had.Jul 25 18:24
DaemonFC[m]Remember, their parents landed on the moon with slide rules and now they hiss and hold up a cross at anyone who can do algebra on their way back to the TV with Fox News on it.Jul 25 18:25
oiaohmpsydroid: unity is still a mix of .net and C++.Jul 25 18:26
DaemonFC[m]There's not much reason to think that the next 2.2 million cases will break much differently than the 2.1 million that are now closed. Especially now that Trump admits he want to cut testing because he's said all along that he "doesn't need the numbers".Jul 25 18:26
schestowitzoiaohm: so they'd better go to workJul 25 18:27
schestowitzuse transpilers or somethingJul 25 18:27
DaemonFC[m]Remember that the current 2.2 million have been added in the last 30 days, whereas the previous 2.1 million were added between the last week of March through late June. So, it's pretty easy to see why Trump is getting ahead of this.Jul 25 18:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: reopen my mouth!Jul 25 18:28
DaemonFC[m]We're getting days with 1,200 dead again, but those are the late June people, when it was adding 40,000 cases per day on average, and before it went to 75,000.Jul 25 18:28
schestowitzolder people better go into "bunker mode"Jul 25 18:29
DaemonFC[m]So it shouldn't be surprising when the daily death totals go back up over 2,000 very soon.Jul 25 18:29
schestowitzthe hospital cannot cater themJul 25 18:29
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: You were right about Trump messing with the mail to stop people from voting. His new postmaster general says that he's cutting overtime and if the mail doesn't get delivered, oh well.Jul 25 18:30
DaemonFC[m]Trump can do a lot of harm to the post office without Congress. Like all of his fake judges and cartoon characters who want to bring back a "gold standard" that got planted on the Federal Reserve (where the defense from Senate Republicans is that there's currently not enough to horribly damage our currency's reputation, except that that's wrong....), now he's got agents working to destroy the postal service.Jul 25 18:32
schestowitzyupJul 25 18:33
schestowitzit was widely reported earlier this monthJul 25 18:33
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:   Australia is having true secound hit of covid-19.   Interesting its only 1 state of Australia that screwed up and got community spread and now they have more cases then all of the other parts of Australia combind.Jul 25 18:33
schestowitzUSPS leadership to gut USPSJul 25 18:33
schestowitzimagine thatJul 25 18:33
schestowitzoiaohm: I read about VictoriaJul 25 18:34
psydroidoiaohm, can you play OpenRA without having mono or .NET installed? and wouldn't the performance be much higher if it was written entirely in C++ or Rust?Jul 25 18:34
schestowitzyesterdayJul 25 18:34
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DaemonFC[m]He's very scared that lots of people will vote, so he's moving ahead to destroy the post office so that the ballots will miss their return deadline. Jul 25 18:34
DaemonFC[m]The funny part is that most red states are trying to do vote by mail this year and the people most likely to be too afraid to go do it in person because the American healthcare system of Trump will leave them in bankruptcy levels of debt if they get the virus and live, are old people.Jul 25 18:36
oiaohmpsydroid: OpenRA requires mono/.net.    The game logic openra has to copy back in the day it was done in poorly coded C/C++ so high performance will bring out game logic issues.Jul 25 18:36
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oiaohmSometimes being crappy is the right thing.Jul 25 18:37
psydroidah, so it's better just give up on playing that game entirely and stick with XonoticJul 25 18:37
psydroidto just*Jul 25 18:37
oiaohmI use openra in flatpak to play old dune 2000 discs I have.Jul 25 18:38
DaemonFC[m]Among Trump's many, many tens of thousands of confirmed lies, was that "Nobody is going to get a bill for having COVID-19." because he "Worked out a deal with the hospitals." which are now sending people bills for $1.5 million dollars because they were on a ventilator for 40 days and lived. Congratulations, here's your $1.5 million dollar hospital bill that totally isn't happening according to Trump!Jul 25 18:38
oiaohmEven the second wave in Victoria australia is not moving Australia from 1 to 2 percent death rate from covid-19.Jul 25 18:39
oiaohmwith it being closer to 1.Jul 25 18:39
DaemonFC[m]Well, no because in Australia they don't have an insurance scam like Trump's that leaves diabetics rationing insulin and on the verge of death before they get hit with COVID-19. If you're smart, you'll never let anyone like Trump into power there.Jul 25 18:39
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: to be correct we have had people like Trump in charge.  Some of the reason why when vote for Australia to come a freestanding demoncary dies.   Each states governor general a federal governor general is a fairly good Axe over head model.Jul 25 18:42
oiaohmAlso we don't have anything like the presidential pardon either.  Closest we have is Parliamentary Privilege that allows them to say anything they like in political debates in parliament.  Jul 25 18:45
schestowitzFascism Expert Warns Trump’s Deployment of Feds Could Suppress Election Turnout Jul 25 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fascism Expert Warns Trump’s Deployment of Feds Could Suppress Election TurnoutJul 25 18:46
oiaohmThe idea of optional voting the more you see the USA more it does not work.Jul 25 18:48
oiaohmAustralia does have mandatory voting.   Just you are allow to intentionally put in a invalid vote.Jul 25 18:48
oiaohmYes under Australian rules if enough peoiple put in invalid votes election in that seat has to be re run and none of the first candidates can stand ever again.  Yes that a life time ban.Jul 25 18:50
DaemonFC[m]It's nice to see that the "president" of the United States is using tactics like Saddam Hussein and Bashar Al Assad against American people. Chemical weapons attacks and such.Jul 25 18:50
oiaohmHe is not to Saddam Hussian level yet.Jul 25 18:53
oiaohmWe don't have documented killing of Trumps opposition yet Jul 25 18:53
oiaohmPutin on the other hand you could say is fairly close to Saddam Hussian level.Jul 25 18:53
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DaemonFC[m]It's not hard to see where this "repossessing the Chinese embassy in Texas" came from. The Coronavirus is killing thousands, they've had twice as many bankruptcies as 2008, and they're so pissed off that Biden is ahead in the polls in Texas by 4 points. So Trump accuses the embassy of spying and plants paid "Trump 2020" protesters outside the door while masked goons with a tractor pry it open. Very obvious.Jul 25 19:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ‘A Combination of Forces Puts Our Postal Service at Grave Risk’ | FAIRJul 25 19:02
schestowitzwow, 2pm in NY and already 500 deaths tabulatedJul 25 19:03
schestowitzLike you said in a few weeks it can top 2,000 a day and there's >NO PLAN< to bring those numbers downJul 25 19:04
schestowitzBy Nov. it can be a 9/11 per day, rationalising a postponement of electionJul 25 19:04
schestowitzUK 61 deaths todayJul 25 19:04
schestowitzI went back to the gym for the first time since MarchJul 25 19:04
schestowitzbecause today was the first time they could legally reopenJul 25 19:05
schestowitzeven the pool was open, I was there by myself with clean new water in it... I think I was the first in it since MarchJul 25 19:05
schestowitznext week they reopen the steam room, whereas in Florida is turns from bad to worseJul 25 19:06
schestowitz20 times more cases than England+Wales+Scotland+N. Ireland combinedJul 25 19:06
oiaohmEngland handling was stupid bad early on but the late game England is doing lots of the right things now.Jul 25 19:09
oiaohmUSA handling is still very bad.Jul 25 19:09
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oiaohmReally in Australia its the only the second time in history we have had military deployed to state boarders.Jul 25 19:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'm going to apply for a new gun permit as soon as the probation ends.Jul 25 19:10
oiaohmYes that was another pandemic Jul 25 19:10
DaemonFC[m]Between the riots and the goons in unmarked vans....Jul 25 19:11
DaemonFC[m]Mandy doesn't want me to have a gun, but when the court order expires I might get one and just not tell him about it.Jul 25 19:11
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DaemonFC[m]There's just too many crazy things going on right now and with gun sales up 500% in Illinois lately, I'm not the only one who thinks this.Jul 25 19:12
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: The stats on gun usage is not exactly great.Jul 25 19:12
oiaohmMost people buy a gun with the wrong logic.Jul 25 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Better to have it and not need it, I say.Jul 25 19:13
schestowitz /wrong/no/Jul 25 19:13
oiaohmGun is normally 100 percent useless in self defence.   Only really effective in defence of others.Jul 25 19:14
DaemonFC[m]With what's going on in our country lately, two thoughts jump out at me. The police are not interested in stopping crime, and they're more like an occupying foreign military than the police. Jul 25 19:14
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oiaohmWhy does that supprise you.Jul 25 19:15
DaemonFC[m]There was an article today where Trump claimed that 5 federal agents from his "masked goon squad with no name tags" were permanently blinded by lasers. Fuck em. They attacked Americans. They get what they get.Jul 25 19:15
oiaohmUSA police forces most of them in the USA were not found to protect the people at all.Jul 25 19:15
oiaohmBut to catch slaves and protect rich people properity.Jul 25 19:15
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:  this is a very good write up on where the USA police come from.Jul 25 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-History of police in the US: How policing has evolved since the 1600s - InsiderJul 25 19:17
oiaohmIts not a good place.Jul 25 19:17
oiaohmLot of ways most of the USA police forces really need to be scrapped and started over.Jul 25 19:18
oiaohmRight to bare arms logic of the USA has also meant there has not been the serous work to make a police force that works correctly.Jul 25 19:19
DaemonFC[m]I don't think there should be a police department. It's just government thugs that impose the state's edicts and enforce orders from a court where none of us got a choice of who the judges are.Jul 25 19:20
DaemonFC[m]Give a gun to everyone without a serious felony and do an at your own risk system for handling crimes. Bring back citizen grand juries.Jul 25 19:21
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DaemonFC[m]It's just a part of this "bullshit social contract" that nobody actually remembers signing.Jul 25 19:22
oiaohmWhat you said with guns does not exactly work.Jul 25 19:22
oiaohm  There is a historic maths problem that points out the big problem.Jul 25 19:23
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oiaohmskill level of person with gun is a horrible factor.Jul 25 19:23
DaemonFC[m]What we've got now doesn't work. Trump turning federal police into his own personal goon squad. Cops that suicide people in the back of their squad cars then investigate themselves.Jul 25 19:24
oiaohmUSA police most of them started as a goon squad.Jul 25 19:25
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DaemonFC[m]XRevan86mentioned how many people in Russia "fall out of windows". America did them one better. Just thousands and thousands of people managing to kill themselves while strapped into the back seat of a police car, handcuffed in the back.Jul 25 19:26
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:  as far as I know the USA has not had anything like this.Jul 25 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fitzgerald Inquiry - WikipediaJul 25 19:28
oiaohmOr the create of a department who job is just to investigate and prosecute police and government officials.Jul 25 19:28
oiaohmCJC in Queensland only job is to prosecute police and state officials for doing the wrong thing.Jul 25 19:29
DaemonFC[m]They had the movie "Minority Report" on TV the other night. I remembered how awful early 2000s movies were for product placements, but then laughed at how many of the brands advertising in the movie no longer existed or had just recently filed for bankruptcy. It severely dates the movie that stores in the mall that are filing to liquidate right now are somehow around in 2056. Jul 25 19:31
DaemonFC[m]The same thing happened in Blade Runner, but then they ran with it in the sequel and a lot of the brands that failed were still there in the sequel. Jul 25 19:32
DaemonFC[m]So it made no sense as a product placement anymore, but it became part of the alternate reality.Jul 25 19:32
DaemonFC[m]Even Coca Cola advertised in Blade Runner and then nearly failed because of New Coke.Jul 25 19:33
DaemonFC[m]The interesting thing was that in Blade Runner, they weren't so in your face that the movie felt like a commercial, but in all of these Philip K. Dick movie renditions of the early 2000s with Will Smith and Tom Cruise, it was just a commercial cesspit that really took away from the movie. Jul 25 19:34
DaemonFC[m]There was the scene in Minority Report where he kidnapped one of the telepaths to help solve what was going on, and the movie took a 5 minute detour so he could go shop for clothes for her in The Gap.Jul 25 19:35
DaemonFC[m](Bankrupt)Jul 25 19:35
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DaemonFC[m]That was much worse than in I, Robot, where Will Smith spends a few seconds staring into the camera and advertising a pair of shoes and mentioning that you could actually buy those shoes in 2004.Jul 25 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Those movies are expensive to make, but the price of a ticket in the early 2000s was actually twice as much as it is now, and there are fewer placements now.Jul 25 19:36
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DaemonFC[m]Sony is dumping what would have been theatrical releases as Apple TV exclusives.Jul 25 19:41
DaemonFC[m]So Apple is cleaning up and there's not way to legally watch the movie without buying Apple TV.Jul 25 19:42
DaemonFC[m]So that's not better.Jul 25 19:42
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DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu 20.04 brings in an update for a vnc client that's installed by default which patches over 4 dozen CVEs at once.Jul 25 19:48
DaemonFC[m]Well, that's disconcerting. Jul 25 19:48
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'm not buying much that I don't, strictly speaking, have to.Jul 25 19:51
DaemonFC[m]About the only thing we did at the mall was buy a pair of shorts for Mandy and some sunblock that was on closeout at the Marshalls. Jul 25 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Stores like that are going to have a feast one last time because all of the other stores are going into bankruptcy. Then there will be less waste of Capitalism in the pipeline for them later.Jul 25 19:53
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DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine that there were so many "leftovers" on things like a perfectly good pair of North Face winter boots that I found there that went from $100 to $50 after Marshalls bought it and put it back on the shelf.Jul 25 19:53
DaemonFC[m]I don't know what this winter is going to be like. Bad, I suppose. Summer is usually the season where people get vacations and stuff in, and none of that is happening right now, and then Walmart said they're giving up on "Black Friday" and closing their stores on Thanksgiving and the next day. Jul 25 19:54
DaemonFC[m]It usually grinds on despite the fact that things get increasingly shittier each year, but.....this year people either have no money or they hoard it waiting for the other shoe to drop. 30% unemployment, even if the "president" lies to cover it all up, and even if people were doing okay financially, you can't have a mass gathering for a "shopping holiday" or there will be another boom in the Coronavirus numbers.Jul 25 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Corporate America seems like it's finished with Donald Trump. The list of huge employers that are offering paid time off to go vote is growing. We're at 500 companies now and just of them (Walmart) employs 1.5 million people, many of which do not like Trump very much.Jul 25 19:57
DaemonFC[m]They're throwing everything they have at getting rid of Trump by excusing their employees for the entire day, with pay, and asking them to vote.Jul 25 19:58
schestowitzsays a lot about Biden megadonorsJul 25 19:58
DaemonFC[m]He hasn't been a good president, but racists and fascists love him because he's as much of a derelict as they are. Jul 25 19:58
schestowitzthey just want to bribe the likely "winner"Jul 25 19:58
schestowitznot bothJul 25 19:58
schestowitzas that might upset the winnerJul 25 19:58
schestowitzand Thiel is said to have defected alsoJul 25 19:59
schestowitzthey want to make the future pres. feel indebted to themJul 25 19:59
schestowitzand not seen as beneficial to his (never her) opposition/rivalJul 25 19:59
DaemonFC[m]That's probably true.Jul 25 20:01
DaemonFC[m]Apple was the latest big company I heard that had decided to give everyone the day off to vote or volunteer at a polling place.Jul 25 20:01
schestowitzToday I spent ages checking photo opsJul 25 20:02
schestowitzI was actually researching tech CEOsJul 25 20:02
schestowitzwho met the TrumpsJul 25 20:02
schestowitzTim crook is a disgrace Jul 25 20:02
DaemonFC[m]If even half of the people who get the day off use it to go vote, that's a tidal wave of support for Biden.Jul 25 20:02
schestowitzmeeting the whole family, all smilesJul 25 20:02
schestowitzhomosexuals who still worship the Apple brand are absolutely insaneJul 25 20:02
DaemonFC[m]There's some who think that Trump attacking gay people by taking away healthcare and targeting us specifically on that, banning trans people in the military, etc. is fine because he held up a Pride flag for like 2 seconds.Jul 25 20:03
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DaemonFC[m]Same way he tear gasses Americans to hold up a bible for 2 seconds. Means nothing to him.Jul 25 20:03
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: This is forcing probably 10 years worth of the physical retail correction on us in the span of about what I think will be 8-10 months.Jul 25 20:08
schestowitz      <li>Jul 25 20:09
schestowitz        <h5><a href="">A Singular Campaign: Trump, Pence, Biden, ?</a></h5>Jul 25 20:09
schestowitz        <blockquote>Jul 25 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Singular Campaign: Trump, Pence, Biden, ? - CounterPunch.orgJul 25 20:09
schestowitz          <p>In 1922 Maxfield Parrish produced a cover for Life magazine which showed a knavish character taking the letters L and E off of the title “LIFE” which then left “IF” as the title. The illustration was a visual representation of the sentence, “He is a rogue indeed who robs life of its ends and fosters doubt.”</p></blockquote></li>Jul 25 20:09
schestowitzoopsJul 25 20:09
schestowitzmeant to paste this: 25 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump: 'I am the least racist person there is anywhere in the world' – video | US news | The GuardianJul 25 20:09
schestowitz555 deaths, 3pm eastern timeJul 25 20:09
schestowitzsaturdayJul 25 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Trump is the least racist person unless you count all of the racist things he's said and done. If the people who follow this for a living can't count that high anymore, I give up.Jul 25 20:10
DaemonFC[m]This police crackdown is basically the far right trying to extinguish all of the social problems they created by eviscerating the safety net and passing trillions in corporate welfare instead using the cops.Jul 25 20:11
schestowitz“USA needs help. Let’s face it: our democratic institutions aren’t working well” 25 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who Will Come to America’s Aid? - CounterPunch.orgJul 25 20:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Expelling the Chinese from their embassy was something I agree should have been done, but it should have been handled better.Jul 25 20:14
DaemonFC[m]For one thing, it puts our own embassy staff at risk of having the doors blown open by the Chinese military and being paraded out in handcuffs and they can say they had a reason now.Jul 25 20:14
DaemonFC[m]It's never exactly "safe" to have an embassy anywhere. I'm certain that the US embassies in China have already been destroying records in case the Chinese storm in.Jul 25 20:16
schestowitzramping up china hate and blameJul 25 20:18
schestowitzthe timing and allJul 25 20:18
schestowitzas if china wants biden or somethingJul 25 20:18
schestowitzreverse 2016Jul 25 20:18
DaemonFC[m]Well, Trump has made a lot of very powerful enemies and most of the damage has been self-inflicted and completely avoidable.Jul 25 20:19
DaemonFC[m]We're now seeing the result of that. If there is foreign interference in the election, they have no reason to help Trump because he's been hurting their economies and destabilizing them as much as he has us.Jul 25 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Big Business is horrified because Trump's fake economy is now falling apart because the Coronavirus has meant that they can't even afford interest payments on their debt because nobody shops there.Jul 25 20:21
DaemonFC[m]Mass unemployment.Jul 25 20:21
DaemonFC[m]I mean, you name it, he did it. Now he's sending "federal invasion forces" that people do not want, that only the extreme fringe cranks are cheering for.Jul 25 20:22
DaemonFC[m]That's why his "base" is cracking. There's maybe 10% of his base that is not reacting well to this, and he's driven them over to the "You know what? Vote Biden and try again in 4 years." camp.Jul 25 20:23
DaemonFC[m]Beyond cracking the base, he's driving away people who really are in the political center because they just want things to be "normal" again, and Biden is going to be their answer due to lack of a better one.Jul 25 20:24
DaemonFC[m]Then we get to the left. Which might have been fractured due to the Centrist/Progressive split, but the only thing can be agreed on is anything but Trump. So there's not going to be that divide like "Bernie/Hillary" that we had last time.Jul 25 20:25
DaemonFC[m]Trump will get something between 130-170 electoral votes, which is short of the 270 you need. That will be the end of that. So you're right. He's tampering with the post office and anything else he can do to try to screw around with the election.Jul 25 20:26
DaemonFC[m]You can see that Trump's campaign realizes it is in deep shit, but it's not bringing in that much money because his megadonors have all gone into bankruptcy because of him, are donating to Biden instead, or are sitting this out, _and_ he has too much territory to defend. The internal polling on both sides shows that Trump is in serious trouble, and he's even pouring campaign money into places like Utah and Texas,Jul 25 20:29
DaemonFC[m]which he simply does not have. I mean, he's not going to "gain" states he lost last time by doing this. He's trying to keep states that should be "dark red" from getting away using money that he otherwise would spend in a Florida or a Wisconsin.Jul 25 20:29
DaemonFC[m]On a Chess board, this is squarely covered by trying not to expose your back row, but he's obviously not playing Chess.Jul 25 20:31
schestowitz"It is an odd thing to live in the United States right now. The greatest empire in the history of the world has devolved into a twisted, macabre, grotesque caricature of itself" Jul 25 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Letter from America: An Empire Unglued - CounterPunch.orgJul 25 20:31
DaemonFC[m]In theory, Chess should be unwinnable, but it's not. Jul 25 20:32
DaemonFC[m]It ultimately does come down to the skill of the opponents.Jul 25 20:32
DaemonFC[m]If you just glance at a Chess board, it isn't immediately obvious how many ways the game could go.Jul 25 20:33
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schestowitzthese italian names make it feel like the mafia runs this state :-)Jul 25 20:35
DaemonFC[m]We should just buy bus tickets for anyone who wants to leave the state.Jul 25 20:36
DaemonFC[m]The people who would get on a Greyhound bus and leave this very minute probably aren't the ones we want anyway, and if they go to Missouri, Texas, and Indiana, and cause problems there, that's one way of dealing with your crime problem.Jul 25 20:37
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: As recently as 1999, it was an undecided issue as to whether a state could make it a crime to help a vagrant enter that state. California had a law making it a felony to bring in anyone who would be a drag on the state. The issue was settled by the Supreme Court, which found that all American citizens have a right to travel freely between the states as long as they are not on parole or probation, and thaJul 25 20:40
DaemonFC[m]they must be welcomed, not treated as an "unfriendly stranger".Jul 25 20:40
DaemonFC[m]So there's really nothing that another state could do about it if we did start buying bus tickets out of the state for people.Jul 25 20:41
DaemonFC[m]In my case, the court in Lake County dropped the "Do not leave Illinois." condition back in December, so I have the right to go to any state I want. I got special permission to be in Indiana from the judge at the sentencing hearing last August. I told her "Well, my family is in Indiana and if I can't visit there, I really don't have anyone.". Then I used my travel permission to use the Kia to drop mom back off inJul 25 20:44
DaemonFC[m]Indiana after she drove the Impala up here to let me borrow it indefinitely so that I could let Kia go ahead and repo the Kia and cause a problem for John.Jul 25 20:44
DaemonFC[m]I had that in my head in court. The reason I asked permission is because there was a (remote) chance that if I wasn't allowed in Indiana and got caught there the one time I had to go, I could be in even more trouble. Jul 25 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Probation officers can do a lot of nasty things behind your back. Like, they can just ask Google or your mobile carrier for a location history on your phone. So you don't need to be pulled over in another state to get caught there.Jul 25 20:46
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: This is not paranoid conjecture, by the way. There's people on /r/probation on Reddit who say that's how they got caught being in another state, and the judge went ahead and sentenced them based on their phone's location history.Jul 25 20:48
DaemonFC[m]You really need to watch that shit. I mean, ideally you don't violate your probation, but if you do go into another state without permission, definitely don't even take your phone even if it does say it's off.Jul 25 20:48
DaemonFC[m]Most phones that say they're off are actually just in a low power mode. The network can still ping some of them.Jul 25 20:49
psydroidanother thing I thought of a few days ago is that malware moved from closed source operating systems to the web, as those closed source operating systems fell into disuse over the years. the average website has so much js from so many sources that it's become another target for exclusion from our lives. I wonder what the next thing they come up with will be to somehow exert control over us and our livesJul 25 20:49
kingoffranceeh, thats another one of those caricature things iMO with 14th almost everyone is technically "just visiting" a stateJul 25 20:49
kingoffrancei think like judge judy they always want to know "do you have a job?" thats their only real concernJul 25 20:49
DaemonFC[m]kingoffrance: Don't sign a deal that you can't fulfill. If you know that they'll have you on a violation very soon after you sign it, don't take the deal unless they change that part. Jul 25 20:50
DaemonFC[m]It's better to take your chances in front of a jury sometimes, if there's a 100% chance you'll violate probation and you know it. Jul 25 20:51
DaemonFC[m]kingoffrance: I figured that they would put me on probation and drug test me, so the first thing I did was, well, be sure not to smoke any pot for the 3 months that we were waiting to see what would happen.Jul 25 20:53
DaemonFC[m]You'd be amazed how dumb some people are. They'll be on bail. They could be spending that 90 days before we even get to the plea offer cleaning themselves up, and they sign the deal and immediately fail their drug test and now they have two problems.Jul 25 20:53
DaemonFC[m]I even said to my probation officer. "What do you think you're going to catch me doing when I know there's going to be a drug test at the next meeting?".Jul 25 20:55
DaemonFC[m]She's like, "Oh people do drugs and come right in here anyway.". I said, "Gee, Earth to genius.... Right?".Jul 25 20:55
DaemonFC[m]She laughed.Jul 25 20:55
DaemonFC[m]I managed to piled up everything onto some pallets, figuratively speaking, slam the blast door, figuratively speaking, and let it all blow up in there, figuratively speaking.Jul 25 20:57
DaemonFC[m]I put on my WWTD hat. (What Would Trump Do?) He's always been good at avoiding his day in court. Just do what he would do.Jul 25 20:58
kingoffranceive pointed out before elsewhere: the "surrealist" "communists" had a word for when everything becomes a parody/simulation: "the spectacle"    they of course thought capital does this to everything as it has to co-opt everything to serve itselfJul 25 20:59
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Even the thing with Maricel came to a head due to some intentional provocation on my part.Jul 25 20:59
kingoffrancethey probably even beat back to the future for oldest date on when they said thatJul 25 21:00
DaemonFC[m]I knew what she was and deduced what would set her off in such a way that she would get very ugly and her brother would have no choice but to see her laid bare.Jul 25 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Ripping us blind. Taking advantage of him. Jul 25 21:00
DaemonFC[m]She was good at gaslighting him. Jul 25 21:01
kingoffrancelol WWTDJul 25 21:01
DaemonFC[m]The Catholic Charities won't represent us now, but what more was there to do? They filled out the damned forms. I can take it from here. Jul 25 21:01
DaemonFC[m]It's three sheets of paper, two passport photos, and a money order to renew a work permit. Jul 25 21:02
DaemonFC[m]<kingoffrance "lol WWTD"> The bankruptcy deposition was interesting.Jul 25 21:03
DaemonFC[m]I deliberately spoke with the verbal style and inflection of Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan in Star Trek: Into Darkness into the phone.Jul 25 21:04
DaemonFC[m]It clearly disoriented the trustee, so he gave up and went to lunch and abandoned the estate. Jul 25 21:04
kingoffrancelolJul 25 21:04
kingoffrancesomething similar is actually only reason i think i won unemployment years ago -- i couldnt do anything but ask questions, so "is xyz in the habit of lying?"   the judge somehow chose meJul 25 21:05
kingoffrancecuz they could tell how ticked i wasJul 25 21:05
kingoffrancei guess, i was being a dick, but other side had no answerJul 25 21:05
kingoffrancethat looks badJul 25 21:05
DaemonFC[m]A dramatic reading of my living situation in the style of Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan. Jul 25 21:05
kingoffrancethey had a real lawyer, and their things entered into evidence...but they couldnt answer my questions about certain thingsJul 25 21:05
DaemonFC[m]I took 45 seconds just to read my address off and list how long we've been living here.Jul 25 21:06
DaemonFC[m]Being sure to spell out the street number and name along the way to be clear.Jul 25 21:06
kingoffranceit was basically they had made verbal/unofficial "promises" to meJul 25 21:06
kingoffranceand then backpedaledJul 25 21:06
kingoffranceand then wouldnt officially say anything, but unofficially try to pressure me to do things not in my contractJul 25 21:07
DaemonFC[m]kingoffrance: Well, my lawyer called me immediately after and said "That was brilliant.".Jul 25 21:07
kingoffranceso we were both wrongJul 25 21:07
kingoffrancelolJul 25 21:07
DaemonFC[m]"I've never seen him so eager to move on.".Jul 25 21:07
kingoffrancebut that was why they thought i shouldnt get unempl -- fired, not quit ;    yet, they were pressuring me to do things not in my contractJul 25 21:07
DaemonFC[m]Oh, never quit. Never, never quit. Jul 25 21:08
DaemonFC[m]If you quit, you lose your unemployment case pretty much right off the bat in most states.Jul 25 21:08
DaemonFC[m]If they fire you for something, you can can challenge the denial and force them to explain themselves.Jul 25 21:08
DaemonFC[m]There's a reason why they say "You can quit now before we fire you.".Jul 25 21:09
DaemonFC[m]Most HR managers are so afraid of being sued over giving out negative information, that they tell your next employer how long you worked there and what your title was, and nothing else.Jul 25 21:09
DaemonFC[m]So, let them fire you, turn it into an adversarial process on them.Jul 25 21:09
DaemonFC[m]If you let them fire you, there's a good chance you'll be living on their unemployment insurance premiums for the next 6 months or until you find a new job.Jul 25 21:11
kingoffranceso i wonJul 25 21:11
kingoffranceand i had proof i had asked them "wehre is this in my contract?" cuz i kenw it wasntJul 25 21:11
kingoffrancegoing silent is not always goodJul 25 21:11
kingoffrancei had said i will do x, show me where it is in my contract -- they never didJul 25 21:11
kingoffranceit was rules for employees -- but i wasnt an employee, and tehy werent hiring at the momentJul 25 21:11
kingoffranceso they were trying to make me do employee stuff, but not hiring right now, and had already made verbal agreements otherwiseJul 25 21:11
kingoffranceand then when i called them on it -- firedJul 25 21:11
kingoffranceso it wasnt worth it, but i did win unempl. for a short whileJul 25 21:11
DaemonFC[m]The reason they give you the "opportunity to quit" is so that this does not happen.Jul 25 21:11
kingoffrancewell i just stopped showing up, told them get me an answerJul 25 21:11
DaemonFC[m]The fewer people who lose their job at that employer in such a way that they get UI, the lower that employer's unemployment premiums are in the following year.Jul 25 21:12
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DaemonFC[m]Even in Indiana, most people eventually win their unemployment claim..Jul 25 21:12
kingoffranceso you see they "fired" me for delinquencyJul 25 21:13
kingoffrancebut thats all because they refused to give an answerJul 25 21:13
kingoffrancejudge saw through it i guessJul 25 21:13
DaemonFC[m]I can tell you that things were getting bad out there for finding a job in Indiana around 2004.Jul 25 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Then it got better for a couple of years, and then it got really bad again in 2007, but in the mean time nobody would say "recession". They waited for "two quarters of negative GDP" to admit what anyone looking for a job in 2007 already knew.Jul 25 21:14
DaemonFC[m]<kingoffrance "judge saw through it i guess"> It's not really a judge in Indiana.Jul 25 21:15
DaemonFC[m]It's an arbitration process.Jul 25 21:15
kingoffranceyeah this was phone thingJul 25 21:15
DaemonFC[m]I appealed a Medicaid decision in Indiana in 2011, and got a state Medicaid rule reversed by a judge.Jul 25 21:15
kingoffrancecould've been a guy in his boxers at home for all i knowJul 25 21:15
DaemonFC[m]It actually brought down an entire system designed to deny thousands of people Medicaid each year and force them into the system of appeals.Jul 25 21:16
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 25 21:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Michigan surpasses 75,000 coronavirus cases; Worldwide cases now top 15 million | News | macombdaily.comJul 25 21:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: IBM was involved in the "modernization" of the Indiana welfare system.Jul 25 21:17
DaemonFC[m]It was a disaster. People died while the state was "losing" their Medicaid papers.Jul 25 21:17
DaemonFC[m]It ended with the state and IBM suing each other.Jul 25 21:18
DaemonFC[m]The state said IBM caused a trainwreck and IBM said the state canceled the contract and kept IBM computers and software without paying them.Jul 25 21:18
kingoffrancethe point i guess is i couldnt present anything -- so i could word my questions and sneak stuff in that way, and judge apparently has discretion on how far i could goJul 25 21:18
kingoffrancejudge was at least willing to let me ask stuffJul 25 21:19
kingoffranceeven without evidence, they believed meJul 25 21:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Dispensing Product!Jul 25 21:19
DaemonFC[m](turret in Portal)Jul 25 21:19
kingoffrancecross examine i could ask them anything, so i used thatJul 25 21:20
schestowitz[21:17] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: IBM was involved in the "modernization" of the Indiana welfare system.Jul 25 21:20
schestowitzI want to ask you a favourJul 25 21:20
schestowitzdo some research into itJul 25 21:20
schestowitzassemble linksJul 25 21:20
schestowitzand some explanationJul 25 21:20
schestowitzwe can do an article about itJul 25 21:20
MinceR25 134444 < schestowitz> MinceR: as crude as it seems on the surface?Jul 25 21:20
MinceRindeedJul 25 21:20
schestowitzhe could write both namesJul 25 21:21
schestowitzDave is number oneJul 25 21:21
schestowitzArizona 144 deathsJul 25 21:22
schestowitz2.5 times the UKJul 25 21:22
schestowitzI think they'll top 1,000 again, weekend alsoJul 25 21:22
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: 25 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and Indiana Suing Each Other Over Canceled Outsourcing DealJul 25 21:22
DaemonFC[m] 25 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nobody Wins in Indiana vs. IBM Lawsuit, Judge SaysJul 25 21:22
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kingoffrancethey couldve appealed my thing, but that is like $10k i think standard feeJul 25 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Promises that the state never should have made, to a company that was incapable of fulfilling them.Jul 25 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Then it goes on to mention that IBM was demanding "a billion dollars" for its trouble in court and the judge determined that IBM was entitled to only $12 million for the equipment and software and that the state kept.... BUT it gets better.Jul 25 21:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Court: IBM owes Indiana $128M after 'long, tough battle'Jul 25 21:25
schestowitzcan you put it chronologically and allJul 25 21:25
DaemonFC[m]The state kept after IBM and the courts eventually said IBM owed Indiana $128 million in damages for the problems caused by their system and contractors during the time the contract was in effect. Jul 25 21:25
schestowitz?Jul 25 21:25
schestowitzThen I can see how to seam it togetherJul 25 21:26
schestowitzbut focus not on financeJul 25 21:26
schestowitzbut on weapons/ethics aspectsJul 25 21:26
schestowitzbecause we focus not on financeJul 25 21:26
schestowitzbut on moralityJul 25 21:26
schestowitzand what the project was forJul 25 21:26
schestowitzoh, wait, it's welfare systemJul 25 21:26
schestowitzI thought weapons syetemJul 25 21:26
schestowitzthey did compete with Amazon for the CIA contractJul 25 21:27
schestowitzand lost Jul 25 21:27
schestowitzthen appealed/suedJul 25 21:27
schestowitzlost againJul 25 21:27
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Mitch Daniels (former Republican Governor who decided the privatization was a great idea) tried to say that people were defrauding the state Medicaid system and that's why it was "necessary", but he also admitted that it was "dozens of cases" in a state of almost 7 million people in an entire year that he cited.Jul 25 21:27
schestowitzwhich means they lack moralityJul 25 21:27
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DaemonFC[m]Yes, there's lots of news articles about the IBM welfare disaster in Indiana.Jul 25 21:27
DaemonFC[m]The FSSA outsourced to IBM and people applying for Medicaid disability were having IBM lose their applications while they were getting sued by hospitals over medical bills piling up that the state should have been paying for.Jul 25 21:28
DaemonFC[m]Leave it to the Republicans to outsource to a company that did business with the Nazis to manage their concentration camps to handle a state Medicaid system.Jul 25 21:29
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's now pretty much unavoidable that we officially hit 150,000 American deaths to the Coronavirus sometime tomorrow.Jul 25 21:32
kingoffrancelike i said, if catholic charities gives you problems, ask them which baptism they are doing, they will go silent :)Jul 25 21:32
kingoffrancewhich office do you actually have?Jul 25 21:32
DaemonFC[m]Remember that Trump said 40,000 total and no more than that, and that it was "a flu" and "why shut anything down?".Jul 25 21:32
kingoffrancewhich "team" are you guys on?Jul 25 21:33
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: shut his mouthJul 25 21:33
schestowitzminute ago: 25 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ In the US corporate media masks are a "debate" (like climate change), not a fact Jul 25 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Voices of mask-wearers and opponents around the world | Life and Entertainment | dailyfreeman.comJul 25 21:34
schestowitzin the US marks are "politics"Jul 25 21:34
schestowitzThey cover "the controversy"Jul 25 21:34
schestowitzlike with climateJul 25 21:34
schestowitzor dietiesJul 25 21:34
schestowitz"intelligent design"Jul 25 21:34
schestowitz3,539,452 tested in TXJul 25 21:35
schestowitzthat's a lotJul 25 21:35
schestowitz3,340,929 in FLJul 25 21:35
schestowitzof those, about one in the turned out positiveJul 25 21:35
schestowitzand you'd think they test ones with symptomsJul 25 21:36
DaemonFC[m]Well, by politicizing the masks issue, Trump made sure that it was red states that are now a flaming dumper fire of Coronavirus, so that obviously went well for him and his party of stupid idiots and criminals and thugs.Jul 25 21:36
schestowitzso in reality is has not spread as much as some people tell us... as if it's "almost over... everyone has had it by now"Jul 25 21:36
schestowitzSC is red?Jul 25 21:37
DaemonFC[m]Oh yeah.Jul 25 21:37
schestowitzso apart from NYS it's all redJul 25 21:37
schestowitzin the top 10 or soJul 25 21:37
schestowitzwell, california is vastJul 25 21:37
schestowitzso sure, you need to weigh by number of people to get a better measureJul 25 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Even within California, if you look closer, it's Orange County and a few other oddballs where it's mostly Republicans that have a bad Coronavirus problem right now. So it's not even all parts of California. It's that the Republican counties are getting hit bad and everyone else is wearing masks so no hot spots.Jul 25 21:38
schestowitzwow, in NJ one in 2000 diedJul 25 21:38
schestowitzwait, no, it's worseJul 25 21:38
schestowitzone in 500 almostJul 25 21:38
schestowitzif it was a country, it would be way ahead of any other countryJul 25 21:39
DaemonFC[m]Surgical masks are cheap and they actually do work "okay" considering how cheap they are. If you can't find anything better to wear, wear like 2-3 of those stacked. It's definitely not as good as a N95, but even healthcare workers can't find those, and 3 surgical masks are 87.5% effective against flu for the wearer.Jul 25 21:40
DaemonFC[m]If you are doing social distancing alongside that, then I'd say 3 surgical masks + hand sanitizer would probably work out okay.Jul 25 21:41
DaemonFC[m]It's better to do what I do and just get grocery pickup. It doesn't cost more and you don't have to spend an hour in the store where there could be viral clouds to walk through.Jul 25 21:41
DaemonFC[m]Why risk it if it doesn't even cost more to do the pickup?Jul 25 21:41
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DaemonFC[m]Plus, even if I do get it and am unaware of it, then fewer people that I come into contact with. It slows this down. Instead of giving it to 5-6 people and for them to spread, I might not infect anyone.Jul 25 21:42
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Republicans in Illinois were furious that Governor Pritzker used the election assistance money to do vote by mail and with postage paid envelopes.Jul 25 21:43
DaemonFC[m]I'm still trying to figure out how "He spent election money on an election." is a scandal. ;)Jul 25 21:43
schestowitzhe did election the 'wrong' warJul 25 21:47
schestowitz*wayJul 25 21:47
schestowitzby getting more people to participate in the votingJul 25 21:47
DaemonFC[m]That prosecutor that went after me is "going away".Jul 25 21:47
DaemonFC[m]All mail election. Republican down ballot from Trump. People here are furious with the entire party. Hmm.Jul 25 21:48
schestowitzCali says 3 days so farJul 25 21:51
schestowitzbut it'll be over 100Jul 25 21:51
schestowitz724 so far, then give or add maybe 300_ Jul 25 21:51
schestowitzthe four-digit stream might stop Sunday/MondayJul 25 21:51
schestowitzpeople not workingJul 25 21:51
schestowitzit helps make the point about bad leadershipJul 25 21:51
schestowitzthe second wave as bad policy indicator against dictatorJul 25 21:52
schestowitzhe might be out by year's end, but the country will never recoverJul 25 21:52
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The question is when do you call a plague a plague. I mean, 300,000 dead Americans is probably all of 4 months from now. (And it won't stop there.)Jul 25 22:25
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DaemonFC[m]There's no Democrats that they can really blame this on considering that Trump was in office for years and abolished the pandemic response team and consistently proposed slashing the CDC budget for 3 years in a row leading up to this, and leaving 100 top scientist positions unfilled.Jul 25 22:26
DaemonFC[m]If he did actually fill them, it would have been as an emolument to some fucking retard who isn't even a scientist. So there's that.Jul 25 22:27
DaemonFC[m]He put an oil man in charge of nuclear energy and nuclear weapons. He just stuffs people who have no idea what they're in charge off in office and the only thing we ever heard of Ben Carson doing at HUD was spending $500,000 of tax money redecorating his officeJul 25 22:28
DaemonFC[m]You know, enough money for 5,000 Section 8 vouchers for 10 years.Jul 25 22:29
schestowitzwowJul 25 22:30
schestowitzwhat do you blow the money on?Jul 25 22:30
schestowitz$5000 chairs?Jul 25 22:30
DaemonFC[m]Because he needed a new coffee table.Jul 25 22:30
schestowitzivory desk?Jul 25 22:30
schestowitznot bad for a man who grew up poorJul 25 22:30
schestowitznot Tondo poorJul 25 22:31
schestowitzbut poor nonethelessJul 25 22:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the "scientist" in charge of food safety is just some Libertarian crank who is letting serious food safety problems go unaddressed. For the Trump Administration, things like this are a feature, not a bug. Jul 25 22:32
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DaemonFC[m]The guy running Fannie and Freddie said we might have a bigger mortgage crisis than 2008 very soon, but he won't do anything about it because "free markets".Jul 25 22:33
DaemonFC[m]The time to wind down Fannie and Freddie has come and gone. That should have been done decades ago, but that ship has sailed. Now the housing market is ready to fall over again and the government won't make good on the "backing" part. So if Trump lets that happen, why is your bank account safe due to the FDIC?Jul 25 22:34
schestowitzFederal troopsJul 25 22:35
schestowitzto keep the masses "in check"Jul 25 22:35
DaemonFC[m]People like my mom don't realize what sort of dragons teeth they planted. But they will, when it's too late.Jul 25 22:36
schestowitzHungry, unemployed, no prospect of working, but "in check"Jul 25 22:36
schestowitzand fearful of staging resistance... because they're up against MOABs and grenade launders and soon lasersJul 25 22:36
schestowitzyour mother doesn't mind dyingJul 25 22:36
schestowitzshe had less left to loseJul 25 22:36
schestowitzto them, it's like a 10-year-early departure vouchersJul 25 22:37
schestowitzalso, SHTF might take another decade to o full swingJul 25 22:37
schestowitzit didn't happen overnight for soviet union eitherJul 25 22:37
schestowitzonly the culmination didJul 25 22:38
kingoffranceyes catherine fitts [sic?] noted back during bush (1 IIRC) HUD is just a spoils system for the republicans at leastJul 25 22:39
kingoffranceso carson in there, i dunno, that might be normalJul 25 22:40
schestowitzgotta keep the illusionJul 25 22:44
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schestowitzhi kupiJul 25 22:46
kupihiJul 25 22:46
schestowitznew here?Jul 25 22:46
kupiyesJul 25 22:46
schestowitz5000+ deaths today, DaemonFC[m]Jul 25 22:50
schestowitzit might be worse Sat. since JuneJul 25 22:50
schestowitzor even MayJul 25 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Started watching Upload.Jul 25 22:53
schestowitz#MoveOn says voters are "fed up" with GOP senators from the battleground states of Arizona, Maine, and North Carolina "carrying water for him as he trundles toward authoritarianism." Jul 25 22:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Polling Shows Trump's Secret Police in Portland—and GOP Lawmaker Complicity—Could Have 2020 Consequences | Common Dreams NewsJul 25 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Amazing how people could imagine a world where people are even more narcissistic and shallow than my in laws, or just people in general.Jul 25 22:53
schestowitzShallow minds, DEEP DEBTJul 25 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it even mentions that in dialog.Jul 25 22:54
schestowitzdeep minds, no debtJul 25 22:54
DaemonFC[m]"Whose car are you?"Jul 25 22:54
schestowitzsavings, safety nets, debt-free, good sleep, better healthJul 25 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Car: "Citi Bank's"Jul 25 22:54
schestowitzlolJul 25 22:55
DaemonFC[m]Ohhhh.... they're a nasty one. I could tell that was going to be the first lawsuit against me by at least 3-4 months.Jul 25 22:55
schestowitzwill Citi take another big "stimulus"?Jul 25 22:55
schestowitzLooting by so-called (self-described) "job creators" is called "stimulus" Jul 25 22:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's getting harder and harder to "like" Firefox, but I keep using it.Jul 25 22:56
DaemonFC[m]Chrome's even more terrifying.Jul 25 22:56
schestowitzI gave up (again) about a month agoJul 25 22:56
schestowitzmostly moved to falkan and qupzillaJul 25 22:56
DaemonFC[m]The user doesn't have even some control over Chrome on Android, so that's a serious no-go for me.Jul 25 22:56
schestowitzhard to think how they can let me downJul 25 22:56
schestowitzwaterfox sold outJul 25 22:56
schestowitzso bye, geckoJul 25 22:56
DaemonFC[m]The progression by companies like Apple and Google is to increasingly take whatever control the user had over their own computer away and make all of their products even more of a dumb terminal for advertisers and paid apps.Jul 25 22:57
DaemonFC[m]The fact that you even can use Firefox and F-Droid apps on Android is the only thing in particular that keeps me on Android.Jul 25 22:58
schestowitzwhy use Android at all? Or phones?Jul 25 22:58
DaemonFC[m]It has many other problems, like fragmentation and OEMs that don't give a shit about even rolling out security updates if you haven't bought their latest phone.Jul 25 22:58
schestowitzyou can do OK without stuff like maps on the goJul 25 22:59
schestowitzand there are always fallbacks for so-called 'apps'Jul 25 22:59
schestowitzcash payments etc.Jul 25 22:59
schestowitzYou even get to tell people off for asking what your mobile number isJul 25 22:59
schestowitzas if you must have oneJul 25 22:59
DaemonFC[m]I mean, they do still make physical maps but it's aggravating because you have to thread the needle to make it through Chicago.Jul 25 23:00
schestowitz"no, sorry, I am not stupid enough to have one, thank you..." :)Jul 25 23:00
schestowitzmost of the time you walk to places you know anywayJul 25 23:00
schestowitzso an 'app' might help you a few times a yearJul 25 23:00
schestowitzand for that you give your location for like 10,000 hours a yearJul 25 23:01
schestowitzhardly even worth the cost of charging LOLJul 25 23:01
DaemonFC[m]Capital One has a lot of analytics crap they try to run.Jul 25 23:02
DaemonFC[m]The site works fine with NoScript refusing it though.Jul 25 23:02
schestowitznoJul 25 23:02
schestowitzthey have "telemetry"Jul 25 23:02
schestowitzand "Data scientists"Jul 25 23:02
schestowitzFor their "big data"Jul 25 23:02
schestowitzthey're scientistsJul 25 23:02
schestowitz"THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS, >WE< are PROFESSIONAL"Jul 25 23:03
schestowitz"thank you for installing our APP [your ***]"Jul 25 23:03
DaemonFC[m]I tolerate having it because of the cash back from Walmart.Jul 25 23:04
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DaemonFC[m]Also, it's an easy way to reboot my credit after the bankruptcy closes out.Jul 25 23:04
DaemonFC[m]Have Mandy add me as an authorized user. They never check my credit even though I filed bankruptcy on them.Jul 25 23:05
DaemonFC[m]Then the payment history on his account drags my credit rating back up.Jul 25 23:05
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So basically fresh out of bankruptcy a bank that bankruptcy was filed against brings my credit back up into the 600s. Jul 25 23:06
DaemonFC[m]A few months after that I can go start applying for apartments again and since it's "over 650" the stupid robots that handle that approve us.Jul 25 23:07
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schestowitzI don't know how >this< system worksJul 25 23:14
schestowitzI  imagine those are credit scoresJul 25 23:14
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. Pretty much 350 is the worst possible score and 820 is the highest. I got up to 806 at one point.Jul 25 23:15
DaemonFC[m]Then the problems happened last year and I got my car repossessed and the credit cards all defaulted. Jul 25 23:15
DaemonFC[m]John got the car back and negotiated with them to not call it a repo, so they never called it a repo on my credit.Jul 25 23:16
DaemonFC[m]So my score dropped to 490.Jul 25 23:16
DaemonFC[m]Then I filed bankruptcy and it went back to 570.Jul 25 23:16
DaemonFC[m]The bankruptcy is damaging, but less damaging than a bunch of charged off credit cards.Jul 25 23:16
DaemonFC[m]Because the debt is gone and you can't be sued over it while trying to pay back someone else who loans you money.Jul 25 23:17
DaemonFC[m]So yes, filing bankruptcy can improve your score if it was already heavily damaged by unpaid debt.Jul 25 23:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Most landlords who are even somewhat reputable will not talk to someone with a credit score much below 600.Jul 25 23:18
DaemonFC[m]If they do, they will want a bigger deposit. Jul 25 23:18
DaemonFC[m]So anything you can do to repair some of that damage fast after emerging from bankruptcy is something you might have to do just to qualify for a place to live.Jul 25 23:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: There's a "fake loan" that people can take out after bankruptcy to game the system.Jul 25 23:19
DaemonFC[m]What it will do is you hand someone like $3,000 which gets put into a deposit account. They "loan" you $3,000 at like 1-2%.Jul 25 23:20
DaemonFC[m]It's safe for them because if you don't pay it back, they just take the money you have on deposit with them.Jul 25 23:21
DaemonFC[m]You use the $3,000 plus a little "interest" to make installments, and in return, they put a "trade line" on your credit report that shows "Paid As Agreed".Jul 25 23:21
DaemonFC[m]Eventually, you pay off the "loan", they hand you $3,000 and they keep the "interest" as a fee for servicing the fake loan.Jul 25 23:21
DaemonFC[m]I don't know, maybe 3% or so. It's low because it's fake interest.Jul 25 23:22
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DaemonFC[m]To them it's free money.Jul 25 23:22
schestowitz"Free money"Jul 25 23:23
schestowitzFree as in?Jul 25 23:23
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Then in return for that, you have acceptable credit again and the stupid robot "apartment manager" lets you sign the lease without coming up with an additional $1,500 deposit.Jul 25 23:23
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "Free as in?"> They're never in any risk at all of not being paid back, and if you don't give it to them, the fake loan turns into another damaging item. Jul 25 23:23
schestowitz[17:13] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #Propublica #Finance ☞ The #EvictionBan Worked, but It’s Almost Over. Some Landlords Are Getting Ready. []Jul 25 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Eviction Ban Worked, but It’s Almost Over. Some Landlords Are Getting Ready. — ProPublicaJul 25 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PleromaJul 25 23:24
DaemonFC[m]You're basically handing them like a couple hundred bucks to put a fake "good account" on your credit reports.Jul 25 23:24
DaemonFC[m]It's not illegal, and my lawyer started recommending it until I told her what my plan was.Jul 25 23:25
schestowitzdo you work now?Jul 25 23:25
schestowitzawkward pauseJul 25 23:26
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, awkward pause.Jul 25 23:26
MinceR:DJul 25 23:26
schestowitzhe talks a lot in IRC :-)Jul 25 23:26
DaemonFC[m]I'm in a cheap motel room making shit up as I go.Jul 25 23:26
DaemonFC[m]No my life is not under control, but people usually find that it wasn't worth the reaction they got from me when they tried making trouble.Jul 25 23:26
schestowitzWell, soon unemployment might be the "default"Jul 25 23:27
DaemonFC[m]I find that as the next best thing to having things under control.Jul 25 23:27
schestowitzand defaulting on debt, toJul 25 23:27
schestowitzjust don't get medical-billed againJul 25 23:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The prosecutor thought he'd pull a fast one and get my psychiatrist to suggest more treatment that I'd be obligated to attend.Jul 25 23:28
MinceR"i am in between careers at the moment"Jul 25 23:28
DaemonFC[m]My psychiatrist is actually a really nice guy and when I explained what kind of hell the state was putting me through, he wrote a note that disarmed them.Jul 25 23:28
schestowitzMinceR: I am in between the legs at the moment, said s/heJul 25 23:28
MinceRkinkyJul 25 23:28
schestowitz"Ask later"Jul 25 23:29
DaemonFC[m]Well, it's better than what happened to John and Austin.Jul 25 23:29
DaemonFC[m]LOLJul 25 23:29
DaemonFC[m]And Luis. Can't imagine there's many restaurants that need illegal immigrants to serve tables right now.Jul 25 23:29
schestowitzwait tables maybeJul 25 23:29
DaemonFC[m]Maybe he just went and turned himself into ICE. Jul 25 23:29
schestowitza vewwwy long wairJul 25 23:30
schestowitz*waitJul 25 23:30
schestowitz"see you at my table in august.."Jul 25 23:30
DaemonFC[m]Seems like Mexico might be easier to live in than the US, or soon will be.Jul 25 23:30
schestowitzthey take covid hard, tooJul 25 23:30
DaemonFC[m]Then there's Austin.Jul 25 23:30
schestowitzcanada is the envyJul 25 23:30
schestowitzthey contained it kind of okJul 25 23:30
schestowitzlike europe, not like the wild animal mentality down southJul 25 23:31
DaemonFC[m]$20,000 in student loans to study politics. Owes everyone in the world. Was already driving a van with 350,000 miles on it and every dashboard light lit up to deliver pizza.Jul 25 23:31
DaemonFC[m]Now he's dealing with the pandemic fallout and an arrest warrant from Illinois that he has to hide from.Jul 25 23:31
DaemonFC[m]Then John..... Oh yes, John. Well, use your imagination..Jul 25 23:31
schestowitzhorse-sized toesJul 25 23:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Student loan debt is worse than taxes. Jul 25 23:32
DaemonFC[m]You have to file an Adversarial Motion against your student loan service company and the federal government.Jul 25 23:32
DaemonFC[m]Good luck. It hardly ever works out.Jul 25 23:32
schestowitzAll loans are badJul 25 23:32
schestowitzbut more people are forced to take themJul 25 23:33
schestowitzor join the armyJul 25 23:33
schestowitze.g. for college tuition feesJul 25 23:33
DaemonFC[m]Still, if you have lots of other debt, taking that out, attempting to use AP against student loans while you're at it may be a plan.Jul 25 23:33
DaemonFC[m]Filing bankruptcy just to try to go after student loans is not likely to end well.Jul 25 23:33
DaemonFC[m]But a free Hail Mary pass while you're in there....Jul 25 23:33
DaemonFC[m]Go for it.Jul 25 23:33
schestowitzAll you need not is Barrack o'MAGAJul 25 23:34
schestowitzand some bankruptcy planJul 25 23:34
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "or join the army"> Join the Army. Thanks to Trump, Iraq was the dry run for what he'll have you doing to your fellow citizens!Jul 25 23:34
schestowitzI don't foresee the nation's GDP surgingJul 25 23:34
schestowitzthe debt alone will surgeJul 25 23:34
schestowitz"trust the plan"Jul 25 23:34
schestowitzsay the people who take a loan they can't pay backJul 25 23:34
schestowitz"the plan, man"Jul 25 23:34
schestowitzQ, peace!Jul 25 23:34
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schestowitz 25 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top US military general Mark Milley apologizes for Trump church photo-op | US news | The GuardianJul 25 23:36
schestowitzTrump has just landed in IraqJul 25 23:36
schestowitzoh, shitJul 25 23:36
schestowitzwait...Jul 25 23:36
schestowitzno, it's the WHite HouseJul 25 23:36
schestowitzand uniform for desert camouflageJul 25 23:36
schestowitzNorth Korea styleJul 25 23:36
schestowitz"America’s most senior military officer, Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, has publicly apologized for participating in Donald Trump’s photo-op at a famous church in Washington last week, in another sign of tension between the White House and the Pentagon."Jul 25 23:37
schestowitzWhat a rotten regimeJul 25 23:37
schestowitzhe won't leave the WH without a fightJul 25 23:37
schestowitzexpect a really nasty xmasJul 25 23:37
DaemonFC[m]I expect Trump will try to sack everyone down to whoever agrees to continue following his orders past January 20th.Jul 25 23:37
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schestowitzRe: Practically the same list!Jul 25 23:53
schestowitz> Social contract bullshit, it's just a ruse to get rid of rms:Jul 25 23:53
schestowitz> Jul 25 23:53
schestowitz> 2019:Jul 25 23:53
schestowitz> 25 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Joint statement on the GNU Project — 2019 — Blog — GNU GuixJul 25 23:53
schestowitz> Jul 25 23:53
schestowitz> 2020:Jul 25 23:53
schestowitz> Jul 25 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | gnu:social-contract-endorsement [Wiki for GNU Maintainers]Jul 25 23:53
schestowitzBut they succeeded.Jul 25 23:53
schestowitzAnd it's a warning/hallmark/blueprint.Jul 25 23:53
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schestowitz> Roy, you really need to have another look at that Libreplanet petition-- the one before the Guix petition.Jul 25 23:57
schestowitz> Jul 25 23:57
schestowitz> Industry people. A few from GNOME, the ultimate Stallman traitors (including the executive director.) These are people who have motive that goes far beyond "safety" (bollocks) at Libreplanet. Two from Debian. One whose husband works at Zoom now. Two people on the list are a couple, One from Red Hat, and lots of people who have a GitHub account of course.Jul 25 23:57
schestowitz> Jul 25 23:57
schestowitz> They want Stallamn out because their way of life is mixed-proprietary development, and they want GNU to open, not free. It's really that simple. Again-- McGovern is on the Libreplanet petition. Re-read what he said on the GNOME blog. This is all really, really dirty.Jul 25 23:57
schestowitzCan you type it up more formally in an article? Links would also help for those who doubt the claims...Jul 25 23:57
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