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MinceRthey've been pushing Google Play Services or whateverDec 25 00:00
psydroidApple and Microsoft must be afraid of losing to Google on their home turf as well, but it's inevitable in the long runDec 25 00:00
MinceRi think Maddox is wrong about the prequelsDec 25 00:00
MinceRespecially II and IIIDec 25 00:00
vZS1GrapheneOS, F-droid and the like are a push against Google play.Dec 25 00:00
DaemonFC[m]Google and Facebook were found to be colluding, surprise surprise.Dec 25 00:00
DaemonFC[m]Getting together to do price fixing on advertisements will be the easiest part of the government's case to prove.Dec 25 00:00
DaemonFC[m]Largely because they have emails between the two companies agreeing to work together to drive up ad prices.Dec 25 00:01
vZS1I think Google are just making desperate moves nowDec 25 00:01
vZS1Google hate F-droidDec 25 00:01
vZS1At least we have phones that allow people to put another OS on them. Unlike Apple hardwareDec 25 00:02
DaemonFC[m]I think Microsoft ended up learning their lesson about getting caught with incriminating emails.Dec 25 00:02
DaemonFC[m]If Obama hadn't appointed Hillary Clinton to be Secretary of State, she would probably be the president right now.Dec 25 00:03
DaemonFC[m]She didn't really do much as a Senator that was clearly questionable.Dec 25 00:03
vZS1The F-Droid selection keeps getting betterDec 25 00:04
vZS1Frequently updated for most software as wellDec 25 00:05
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: John told me that nobody wanted to put up a picture of Trump in the TSA breakroom.Dec 25 00:05
DaemonFC[m]Eventually someone did, and it disappeared and got replaced by an empty cheetos bag. Dec 25 00:05
MinceRlolDec 25 00:06
MinceRwhy would they even consider having one? do they miss the USSR?Dec 25 00:06
XRevan86vZS1: Just a modern problem.Dec 25 00:06
XRevan86One cannot turn the phone off if the screen is broken.Dec 25 00:07
DaemonFC[m]You have to put up a picture of the president all over the government offices.Dec 25 00:07
MinceR"if only we could have a personality cult built around our leader, who is supposed to be an elected representative of the people!"Dec 25 00:07
MinceRthat's a stupid ruleDec 25 00:07
XRevan86Batteries are no longer detachable.Dec 25 00:07
MinceRand they should feel bad about having itDec 25 00:08
DaemonFC[m]Not as dumb as spending taxpayer money commissioning portraits of all of the department secretaries. Dec 25 00:08
vZS1My battery is (:Dec 25 00:08
DaemonFC[m]Like anyone cares who the labor secretary was 50 years ago, but there's an official portrait somewhere. Dec 25 00:08
vZS1I refuse to buy a phone without a replaceable battery and expandable diskDec 25 00:08
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: There will be an official portrait of Trump in the White House somewhere, but Trump moved the ones of Obama, W, and Clinton where he didn't have to see them.Dec 25 00:09
DaemonFC[m]So Trump's is probably going directly into the nearest broom closet.Dec 25 00:09
psydroidAll the batteries in my phones are detachable except the one in this phone, which I was gifted somehowDec 25 00:09
MinceRlolDec 25 00:09
MinceRit could face the wall in the broom closetDec 25 00:10
DaemonFC[m]Now that we have this policy of shoving them into a broom closet somewhere.Dec 25 00:10
DaemonFC[m]Maybe they'll have to build more broom closets someday. Who knows.Dec 25 00:10
DaemonFC[m]I think the part that really pissed my dad off was going down the list of Trump's accomplishments that have already been thrown out by courts and the ones that Biden says he'll reverse immediately.Dec 25 00:11
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Trump will be a footnote. So much for being on a mission from God.".Dec 25 00:11
vZS1I'm waiting to see how many of them go to prisonDec 25 00:11
DaemonFC[m]History books will say that for 4 years, this tyrant who was elected by a bunch of Nazis and KKK members who needed their heads examined failed to respond to a plague that was killing his own voters.Dec 25 00:12
DaemonFC[m]And lost the next election.Dec 25 00:12
MinceRi'm waiting for Bunker Bitch to go to prisonDec 25 00:12
vZS1MinceR: who's that?Dec 25 00:13
MinceRCheeto HitlerDec 25 00:13
vZS1AhDec 25 00:13
DaemonFC[m]The news points it out right now.Dec 25 00:13
vZS1It's possibleDec 25 00:13
DaemonFC[m]90% of the people dying are over 60, and 2/3rds of those people are men.Dec 25 00:13
DaemonFC[m]So could there be something worse for the Republicans counting on a decent sized base come next election?Dec 25 00:13
DaemonFC[m]Remember that that's two years out and it may have killed well over 1.5 million people before we get a lid on it here.Dec 25 00:14
DaemonFC[m]Trump did better with blacks and latinos this time than he did last time.Dec 25 00:15
DaemonFC[m]It was white voters that he lost double digit percentages with.Dec 25 00:15
DaemonFC[m]And it was just enough to send him packing.Dec 25 00:15
DaemonFC[m]There's warning signs that Florida might go from being a swing state to being lost to the Republican Party, but Arizona and Georgia are now on the map for Democrats.Dec 25 00:16
DaemonFC[m]So there's still some balance.Dec 25 00:16
vZS1https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/freedom-memories-and-campaigning-for-free-softwareDec 25 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Freedom, memories, and campaigning for free software — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free softwareDec 25 00:17
vZS112 mentions of appleDec 25 00:17
vZS1Only 1 of MicrosoftDec 25 00:17
vZS11 mention that is barely even worth mentioningDec 25 00:17
vZS1FSF continue to suck MS phallusDec 25 00:18
psydroidPhallophiliaDec 25 00:21
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XRevan86vZS1: Good call, yes.Dec 25 00:32
MinceR(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVAZwVfjl8oDec 25 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[YTP] Pooping the Chartsmas: HappaH HolidildoH! - YouTubeDec 25 00:33
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/21/bd103390e4d7314e.jpgDec 25 01:25
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DaemonFC[m]https://amp.thehackernews.com/thn/2020/12/google-discloses-poorly-patched-now.htmlDec 25 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-amp.thehackernews.com | Google Discloses Poorly-Patched, Now Unpatched, Windows 0-Day BugDec 25 02:08
MinceR:)Dec 25 02:10
XRevan86Another AMP link from DaemonFCDec 25 02:10
XRevan86https://thehackernews.com/2020/12/google-discloses-poorly-patched-now.htmlDec 25 02:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Google Discloses Poorly-Patched, Now Unpatched, Windows 0-Day BugDec 25 02:10
MinceRwhat is AMP?Dec 25 02:11
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_PagesDec 25 02:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Accelerated Mobile Pages - WikipediaDec 25 02:11
MinceRlooks like a mobile page with less crap in itDec 25 02:11
XRevan86DaemonFC posts links with AMP frequently.Dec 25 02:11
MinceRah, google's latest effort to take over the webDec 25 02:11
XRevan86Well, at least this one is not hosted by Google, so I can forgive that.Dec 25 02:13
smnthermes> ‎[23:11:54] ‎MinceR‎: ah, google's latest effort to take over the webDec 25 02:14
smnthermesIt's already a bit oldDec 25 02:14
MinceRdo they have a newer one?Dec 25 02:14
MinceRXRevan86: all i see are CrimeFlare addressesDec 25 02:15
XRevan86MinceR: Yea, that's what kaker-news uses.Dec 25 02:15
MinceR:>Dec 25 02:17
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XRevan86https://nitter.net/chrisoldwood/status/799015051990437890 the best contentDec 25 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Chris Oldwood (@chrisoldwood): "I always prefer my dates to be in ISO format..." | nitterDec 25 02:38
XRevan86also I hate the fruit nameDec 25 02:39
XRevan86Maybe we should just all agree to call them phoeniks or something.Dec 25 02:41
XRevan86or phoiniksDec 25 02:44
MinceRmmm, phoenix meatDec 25 03:01
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XRevan86Yea, still a collision, but not nearly as significant – the bird doesn't even exist.Dec 25 03:10
schestowitz[02:15] <XRevan86> MinceR: Yea, that's what kaker-news uses.Dec 25 03:14
schestowitzkaka-newsDec 25 03:14
schestowitz[02:11] <XRevan86> DaemonFC posts links with AMP frequently.Dec 25 03:14
schestowitzhe does, I've noticed the sameDec 25 03:14
MinceRcaconewsDec 25 03:15
schestowitzhttp://www.acoolthingilearnedtoday.com/kaka-means-poop/Dec 25 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.acoolthingilearnedtoday.com | Kaka means poop – a cool thing I learned todayDec 25 03:15
schestowitz[00:17] <vZS1> Only 1 of MicrosoftDec 25 03:19
schestowitzmentioning Microsoft is "irrational hatred" nowDec 25 03:19
schestowitz[22:53] <DaemonFC[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/kji94c/twitter_no_longer_supporting_brave/Dec 25 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Twitter no longer supporting Brave? : brave_browserDec 25 03:25
schestowitzsee also http://techrights.org/2020/12/16/twitter-in-2020-is-toxic/Dec 25 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: Twitter is Just Social Control Media | TechrightsDec 25 03:25
schestowitzdec 16thDec 25 03:25
schestowitzhttps://portswigger.net/daily-swig/cross-layer-attacks-new-hacking-technique-raises-dns-cache-poisoning-user-tracking-riskDec 25 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Cross-layer attacks: New hacking technique raises DNS cache poisoning, user tracking risk | The Daily SwigDec 25 03:46
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DaemonFC[m]News that ends up on Google Assistant uses AMP links quite often.Dec 25 03:51
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla has laid off over 1,000 people total this year alone, and closed their main office in Mountain View, California.Dec 25 03:57
DaemonFC[m]They avoided doing it all at once to try not to draw attention.Dec 25 03:57
schestowitzyou use a Google listening device?Dec 25 03:58
DaemonFC[m]I really do need a different news/search thing on my phone.Dec 25 04:03
schestowitzthey game youDec 25 04:04
schestowitzthey decide "the news" for youDec 25 04:16
schestowitzthey eavesdropDec 25 04:16
schestowitzand they keep you enclosed in their serversDec 25 04:16
schestowitzby effectively plagiarising actual web sites of people who actually write newsDec 25 04:16
vZS1Google "news" is just part of their advertising machineDec 25 04:22
vZS1It's targetedDec 25 04:22
vZS1SvD tailoredDec 25 04:22
vZS1s/SvD/AndDec 25 04:22
schestowitzimperial potentiallyDec 25 04:23
schestowitzthey cull out "bad" news sitesDec 25 04:23
schestowitzlike "Chinese propaganda"Dec 25 04:24
schestowitzand "Russian trolls"Dec 25 04:24
schestowitzFOX OKDec 25 04:24
vZS1It's like Facebook ads but just on their Android buildDec 25 04:24
schestowitznot "Russian troll"Dec 25 04:24
schestowitzas long as it helps Google partners like the Pentagon and TrumpDec 25 04:24
schestowitzhttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-Developing-On-GitDec 25 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FreeBSD Completes Its Transition From Subversion To Git For Development - PhoronixDec 25 04:25
schestowitztodo:Dec 25 04:25
schestowitzcheck if it's locally hosted ANDDec 25 04:25
schestowitzwhether they intend to keep is that way ANDDec 25 04:25
schestowitzif they will mirror any of this to shiteHubDec 25 04:25
schestowitz(And if so, will they allow "bug tracking" (Issues) there or treat is as read-only mirror)Dec 25 04:26
schestowitzIIRC, it's safe to see freebsd is the most ms-friendly bsdDec 25 04:26
MinceRindeedDec 25 04:26
vZS1I'm pretty sure FreeBSD has a GitHub mirrorDec 25 04:26
MinceRalso the most crApple-friendly BSDDec 25 04:26
schestowitzand they have no plans in case ms starts charging for shitehub useDec 25 04:26
schestowitznever mind spying, censorship etc.Dec 25 04:26
MinceRit would be fun if they ended up paying microshit for the privilege of having microshit use their codeDec 25 04:27
MinceR"gratis work just got cheaper!"Dec 25 04:27
vZS1FreeBSD use bugzillaDec 25 04:29
MinceRone sane choiceDec 25 04:29
vZS1And https://cgit-beta.freebsd.org/Dec 25 04:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cgit-beta.freebsd.org | FreeBSD git repositoriesDec 25 04:29
vZS1Also have a forumDec 25 04:31
vZS1https://forums.freebsd.org/Dec 25 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.freebsd.org | The FreeBSD ForumsDec 25 04:31
vZS1Their choice of forum is a bit strangeDec 25 04:32
vZS1XenForo is proprietaryDec 25 04:32
vZS1They could have saved money using something else like phpBBDec 25 04:33
MinceRor mailing listsDec 25 04:33
vZS1I think they already have several mailing listsDec 25 04:33
vZS1https://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.htmlDec 25 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freebsd.org | Mailing ListsDec 25 04:34
vZS1Forums are still a good thing to have. Email is janky and monopolisedDec 25 04:37
schestowitzSome forum software becomes abandonedDec 25 04:38
schestowitzand then new releases of python or php will make it hard to maintainDec 25 04:38
schestowitzpotential loss of much historical dataDec 25 04:38
vZS1Just freeze the buildDec 25 04:38
vZS1My main problem with forums is that the popular ones all have terrible automationDec 25 04:39
vZS1Most of them lack APIs altogetherDec 25 04:40
vZS1I don't touch things I can't automate, if I can help itDec 25 04:40
vZS1And you should always know how to migrate your data. Don't use a system unless you already have migration tools tested and in placeDec 25 04:42
schestowitz"each of our Python modules is in its own repository on GitHub"  Dec 25 04:42
schestowitzhttps://developers.redhat.com/blog/2020/12/24/use-kebechet-machine-learning-to-perform-source-code-operations/Dec 25 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Use Kebechet machine learning to perform source code operations - Red Hat DeveloperDec 25 04:42
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-231220.html#tDec%2023%2012:53:51Dec 25 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, December 23, 2020Dec 25 06:21
schestowitz# spot onDec 25 06:21
schestowitzvZS1: that was an associate, directed at your remarkDec 25 06:22
schestowitzx https://www.ft.com/content/fb20bab6-9135-4ed6-a64e-ade85b0eee18Dec 25 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to read | Financial TimesDec 25 06:33
schestowitz# paywallDec 25 06:33
schestowitz"    Voting machine group demands retractions from rightwing media"Dec 25 06:33
schestowitzAs if the Microsoft machines with back doors are phenomenalsDec 25 06:33
schestowitznow they associate critics with rightwing fanaticsDec 25 06:33
schestowitzas they probably will again in the futureDec 25 06:33
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schestowitzx https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9085007/University-Michigan-task-force-claims-words-picnic-brown-bag-blacklist-offensive.htmlDec 25 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | University of Michigan task force claims words 'picnic,' 'brown bag' and 'blacklist' are offensive | Daily Mail OnlineDec 25 12:15
schestowitz# wasn't that institution once known for research?Dec 25 12:15
vZS1schestowitz: could you please remove my nick from that article btwDec 25 12:25
schestowitzsure, hang onDec 25 12:26
vZS1TyDec 25 12:26
schestowitzdoneDec 25 12:26
vZS1CheersDec 25 12:26
schestowitza video on osi is almost done uploading nowDec 25 12:26
schestowitz300+ mbDec 25 12:26
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/12/25/why-osi-is-defunct/Dec 25 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 2020 is the Year When the Open Source Initiative Became (More Officially) Defunct | TechrightsDec 25 12:58
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/8kBFmeo.jpgDec 25 14:53
XRevan86MinceR: They didn't consider cow self-identification.Dec 25 14:58
MinceRyeah, they just assumed the cow's genderDec 25 14:58
MinceR(cat) https://i.imgur.com/vNcjmJu.jpgDec 25 14:59
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MinceRhttps://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/1c5942a07a504b96.jpgDec 25 15:38
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/12/12/ce1735fc947acc12.jpgDec 25 16:06
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MinceR(video) (no audio) https://pr0gramm.com/top/4252260Dec 25 16:28
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MinceR(cat) (no audio) https://files.catbox.moe/5mwxo4.mp4Dec 25 16:51
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MinceRhttps://www.theregister.com/2020/12/11/bofh_2020_episode_9/Dec 25 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | BOFH: Switch off the building? Great idea, Boss • The RegisterDec 25 17:16
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MinceRhttps://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2015/01-JAN/Don-Martin_In-the-Deli_54b5836a1b4610.47485086.jpgDec 25 17:40
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.notebookcheck.net/Best-Buy-is-trying-hard-to-get-rid-of-its-4-GB-Microsoft-Surface-Pro-7-stock-for-560-USD.512181.0.htmlDec 25 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Best Buy is trying hard to get rid of its 4 GB Microsoft Surface Pro 7 stock for $560 USD - NotebookCheck.net NewsDec 25 19:00
DaemonFC[m]4 GB in a Windows laptop. LolDec 25 19:00
DaemonFC[m]https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-55436883Dec 25 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Balloon boy hoax' parents pardoned in Colorado - BBC NewsDec 25 19:02
DaemonFC[m]It's nice to know how you can get a pardon after costing the state hundreds of thousands of dollars responding to a hoax.Dec 25 19:03
DaemonFC[m]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/people-explain-why-baked-bread-quarantine_l_5ec73570c5b6698f38f5035cDec 25 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why People Baked So Much Bread During Quarantine: An Explanation | HuffPost LifeDec 25 19:03
DaemonFC[m]Boredom. Dec 25 19:04
DaemonFC[m]It's not terribly difficult to make a loaf of bread in a bread machine. The appliances were all the rage in the US in the 1990s and then people forgot about them and sent them off to the thrift shops. You can still buy them, but you pretty much have to go online, and the mixes they used to sell aren't made anymore so you have to do it from scratch.Dec 25 19:06
DaemonFC[m]Kitchen fads are really bizarre.Dec 25 19:06
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DaemonFC[m]I miss appliances that didn't want wifi and bluetooth for no reason.Dec 25 19:12
DaemonFC[m]They have a newer model of my air purifier that uses both so that it can alert you on your phone about air quality and let you adjust the settings over the internet.Dec 25 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Now, I suppose the attack possibility against an air purifier is minimal, but this functionality is sort of ridiculous and it won't even work someday because they'll stop maintaining the phone app that controls it.Dec 25 19:14
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz The Squeezebox was a great appliance and the control software was open source but nobody is making the hardware and so there's a limited number that still work and few people interested in fixing up the software.Dec 25 19:17
DaemonFC[m]The software having a Linux port and being open source was almost unheard of at the time they were being marketed by Logitech.Dec 25 19:18
DaemonFC[m]So few devices having a Linux port or if they did it was like that Avermedia driver that worked on 32-bit Ubuntu 8.04 and nothing else, ever.Dec 25 19:18
DaemonFC[m]I'm not surprised FreeBSD moved to git.Dec 25 19:19
DaemonFC[m]SVN is horrible and always has been for large projects and now that Microsoft has given them cover, who cares about the GPLv2 apparently.Dec 25 19:19
DaemonFC[m]The BSD projects using CVS and SVN has always led to few people who can commit to the main branch, leaving maybe half a dozen people who can agree to put something into the tree that people are going to use, and oftentimes without proper testing to see if it works okay and how it all fits together.Dec 25 19:21
DaemonFC[m]https://attackofthefanboy.com/guides/cyberpunk-2077-update-1-06-patch-notes/Dec 25 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-attackofthefanboy.com | Cyberpunk 2077 Update 1.06 Patch Notes | Attack of the FanboyDec 25 19:26
DaemonFC[m]A 16.8 GB patch that fixes corrupt save games. Whoa.Dec 25 19:26
DaemonFC[m]https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4041257001Dec 25 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-amp.usatoday.com | Black doctor Susan Moore alleges racism at Carmel, Indiana, hospitalDec 25 19:35
DaemonFC[m]This is pretty much what everyone has to go through, especially if they don't have insurance or they don't think it will pay them enough money.Dec 25 19:36
schestowitzsome people are so poor that all they have is AMP :-)Dec 25 19:37
schestowitz[19:12] <DaemonFC[m]> I miss appliances that didn't want wifi and bluetooth for no reason.Dec 25 19:39
schestowitz"Smart"Dec 25 19:39
DaemonFC[m]It's almost like wifi and bluetooth are so ubiquitous that they find out stupid reasons to use it and say their appliance does a bunch of dumb shit and that's why that model costs more.Dec 25 19:50
schestowitzthey're supposed to be selling points and dintuinguishersDec 25 19:51
schestowitzI've just said "IoT" is just ipv4 stack thrown on things that don't need itDec 25 19:52
schestowitzbecause you can add these modules for a few extra bucksDec 25 19:52
schestowitzand so... you end up with things like scales that connect to your 'phone'Dec 25 19:52
schestowitzbut the use case is unclearDec 25 19:52
schestowitzbecause scales don't really need to do anything but display your weight. that's it.Dec 25 19:53
schestowitzmaybe if they're taken over remoately something will mine bitcoin on them until the battery runs outDec 25 19:53
schestowitzand it won't be a standard finger-sized batteryDec 25 19:53
schestowitzso it'll cost a lot to replaceDec 25 19:53
schestowitz"IoT" = more ewaste and plastic trashDec 25 19:54
schestowitzalso more basttery chemicalsDec 25 19:54
XRevan86https://youtu.be/v4pVvCQd9iM waste sorting / recyclingDec 25 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Раздельный" сбор мусора. 25.12.2020/12:55 Москва, Соловьиный проезд, дом 2. - YouTubeDec 25 20:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Work from home hospital people in New York skipped the line in front of ER doctors and nurses to get the limited vaccine supply.Dec 25 20:30
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DaemonFC[m]Nice to see that the Maricel mentality is everywhere. That's like something she would do.Dec 25 20:31
schestowitzwhat vaccine?Dec 25 20:37
schestowitzI spoke to my dad about it again todayDec 25 20:37
schestowitzvery long chatDec 25 20:37
schestowitzhe's still refusing to take it for months and even then he says we won't know longterm risksDec 25 20:37
schestowitzhe spoke about some vetoes from the FDADec 25 20:37
schestowitzthey only approved it because "Emergencies"Dec 25 20:38
schestowitzand the rationalisations typically come from the companies, not researchersDec 25 20:38
schestowitzI told him, it's like the "climate change" 'debate'Dec 25 20:38
schestowitzthe oil companies seed doubtDec 25 20:38
schestowitzand it looks "reasonable" to then say, "look, we're not sure if this thing is real"Dec 25 20:38
CrystalMathdoubt about what?Dec 25 20:39
CrystalMaththe vaccine's long term risks are truly unknownDec 25 20:39
schestowitz"teach the controversy"Dec 25 20:39
CrystalMathno vaccine should be used the year it was created inDec 25 20:39
schestowitzthey say they'll modify the recipe to deal with the mutationsDec 25 20:39
schestowitzwithout having actually done research into it, let alone bothered to demonstrate efficacyDec 25 20:40
CrystalMathabsolutelyDec 25 20:40
*schestowitz 's dad is in a vulnerable group, very pro-vaccines (but not THIS one)Dec 25 20:41
DaemonFC[m]It came to my attention that I never got vaccinated for Hepatitis A when I was a child because it didn't exist, so I finally got that vaccine this year.Dec 25 20:42
DaemonFC[m]It's still a problem in the US but not as much of one as it was before the vaccine. About a fifth as many cases as before, even in a much larger population.Dec 25 20:43
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DaemonFC[m]Opposition to vaccines crosses the political spectrum from right wing nuts who think that Bill Gates is putting the mark of the beast in them to left wing nuts who think chemicals they can't pronounce are poison.Dec 25 20:45
schestowitzit's a straw manDec 25 20:46
schestowitznot right wingDec 25 20:46
schestowitzBill Gates is a nasty malicious personDec 25 20:46
schestowitzbut he hopes people will think all his critics are those religious conspiracy buffs and nutsDec 25 20:47
schestowitzand that might even work, he might pull off this PR campaignDec 25 20:47
DaemonFC[m]I think in both cases it represents a generalized anxiety about not fitting into the world as it exists and trying to focus the anxiety on a particular thing that they can comprehend.Dec 25 20:47
schestowitzthey also generalike all vaccinationsDec 25 20:47
schestowitzsome conflate different criticismsDec 25 20:47
schestowitze.g. monopoly/patents aspects, efficacy, safety...Dec 25 20:48
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schestowitzeither way, the oligarchy knows its days may be  numberedDec 25 20:48
schestowitzmaybe a decadeDec 25 20:48
DaemonFC[m]I didn't have any significant side effects to the Havrix shots. A little fatigue and sore arm.Dec 25 20:48
DaemonFC[m]It's a damned sight better than Hepatitis A.Dec 25 20:48
schestowitzmany unemployed people look for revenge and people to blameDec 25 20:48
schestowitzoligarchs hope they can blame "wimen" and "Latinos" and "blacks"Dec 25 20:49
schestowitzbut too many realise who the real looters areDec 25 20:49
schestowitzthe media fuels race divisionDec 25 20:49
schestowitzinstead of class paradigmDec 25 20:49
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Hepa isn't common in the West, not anymore anywayDec 25 20:50
schestowitzbut administering it to everyone helps keep it that way... same with dogs and rabiesDec 25 20:50
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MinceRhttps://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/12-DEC/Don-Martin_The-Moving-Men_5494baa3c58f59.78177528.jpgDec 25 21:04
XRevan86https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wimen#English it's legit, by the wayDec 25 21:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | wimen - WiktionaryDec 25 21:11
schestowitzI knowDec 25 21:14
schestowitzthe anti-women crown misuses the termDec 25 21:15
schestowitzsomething about them not being "real women"Dec 25 21:15
schestowitzI am no expert in their 'grievances', but I saw some lousy arguments they make about womenDec 25 21:15
schestowitzthey usually really hate #meToo as wellDec 25 21:15
schestowitz /s/crown/crowd/Dec 25 21:16
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: they now use women and "THE ARMY" for vaccine prodding https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/2020-12-16-covid-live-updates-vaccine-news-n1251352/ncrd1251445Dec 25 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Linux Foundation, Covid-19 Credentials Initiative to merge efforts on digital vaccine cardsDec 25 21:28
schestowitzmore of the "X says" reportingDec 25 21:28
schestowitzLF makes "LINUX" be lumped into itDec 25 21:29
schestowitzsurveillance pushDec 25 21:29
schestowitznothing to do with vaccinationDec 25 21:29
schestowitzhttps://danielpocock.com/christmas-gift-for-british-friends/Dec 25 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielpocock.com | A Christmas Gift for British friendsDec 25 21:34
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MinceR(cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/720687.jpgDec 25 21:45
vZS1I spoke to a friend of mine in CanadaDec 25 21:47
vZS1She and her family are all not going to take part in the Pfizer experimentDec 25 21:48
vZS1She told me she doesn't trust Gates nor Buffet and their agendaDec 25 21:48
schestowitzseems to be common a sentimentDec 25 21:49
vZS1That was refreshingDec 25 21:49
schestowitzmy mom watches TV and stuff too muchDec 25 21:49
schestowitzso she plans to participateDec 25 21:49
schestowitzmany assume "worst that can happen" is, "it won't work"Dec 25 21:50
schestowitznever mind potential effects when they add another doze and another dozeDec 25 21:50
schestowitzand "boosters"Dec 25 21:50
schestowitzto make it "effective"Dec 25 21:50
schestowitzand never mind the injustice of being part of clinical trials for private corporate profitsDec 25 21:50
schestowitzin another countryDec 25 21:51
schestowitzsocial control media will be misused to silence dissent to thisDec 25 21:51
schestowitzand to flag it "right wing" and "antivaxx" and whatnotDec 25 21:51
schestowitzas if to use secret data about an expedited product is absolutely fineDec 25 21:51
schestowitzto ask questions is nowDec 25 21:51
schestowitz*notDec 25 21:51
schestowitzhttps://www.trentonian.com/arts_and_entertainment/entertainment/tom-hanks-would-get-coronavirus-vaccine-to-prove-its-safe/article_2ad201f1-db0b-5d94-bf70-a3d709f6f0e2.htmlDec 25 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tom Hanks would get coronavirus vaccine to prove it's safe | Entertainment | trentonian.comDec 25 21:53
schestowitz"celeb endorsement"Dec 25 21:54
schestowitzfrom PROFESSOR HANKSDec 25 21:54
schestowitz"PROVE it's safe"Dec 25 21:54
schestowitzsite blocked in the EUDec 25 21:54
schestowitzit's an oligarchs-owned spying-as-siteDec 25 21:54
MinceRooh, the classic sample size of 1Dec 25 21:54
schestowitzglorified sampleDec 25 21:55
schestowitzPROFESSOR HANKSDec 25 21:55
schestowitzand BushDec 25 21:55
schestowitzOBOMBADec 25 21:55
schestowitzall the good folksDec 25 21:55
schestowitzBilly GoatDec 25 21:55
schestowitzCrime Minister NetanyahuDec 25 21:55
schestowitz"Royals"Dec 25 21:55
schestowitzMaybe Kissinger will get one too soonDec 25 21:55
schestowitz"jab" that jabberDec 25 21:56
schestowitzPfizer: we gave you hardons, now we give you war criminals as "live TV" adsDec 25 21:56
schestowitzhttps://www.pottsmerc.com/arts_and_entertainment/entertainment/sir-cliff-richard-will-never-get-over-the-trauma-of-police-raid/article_5c27e0ca-0a29-550b-8a01-88bdfd4155ce.htmlDec 25 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sir Cliff Richard will never get over the trauma of police raid | Entertainment | pottsmerc.comDec 25 21:57
schestowitz'news'Dec 25 21:57
schestowitzabout a "feeling"Dec 25 21:57
schestowitznext in line"Dec 25 21:57
schestowitz"bill gates says"Dec 25 21:57
schestowitz"Tump tweets"Dec 25 21:57
schestowitz[21:54] <MinceR> ooh, the classic sample size of 1Dec 25 21:57
schestowitz"ma uncle smoked and lived to be 90"Dec 25 21:57
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schestowitzvZS1: Dec 25 22:13
schestowitz'It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you`ll do things differently.Dec 25 22:13
schestowitzWarren BuffettDec 25 22:13
schestowitz"There’s been class warfare for the last 20 years, and my class has won." Warren BuffettDec 25 22:14
schestowitzI think they lose the PR warDec 25 22:14
schestowitzjudging by online reactionsDec 25 22:14
schestowitznot the paid-for puff pieces in oligarchs-owned mediaDec 25 22:14
schestowitz"However, the Gates Buffet foundation grant is nothing more than a shell game in which control of assets for both Gates and Buffet remain the same."  http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0823-26.htmDec 25 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.commondreams.org/views06/0823-26.htm )Dec 25 22:15
schestowitzhttps://www.pambazuka.org/pan-africanism/gates-and-buffet-foundation-shell-gameDec 25 22:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pambazuka.org | The Gates and Buffet Foundation Shell Game | Pambazuka NewsDec 25 22:16
schestowitzthis is the THIRD URL I useDec 25 22:16
schestowitzthe first two perishedDec 25 22:16
schestowitzreally badDec 25 22:16
schestowitzand this is the only copy I can still find onlineDec 25 22:16
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DaemonFC[m]Fox News still grousing about Trump being on the way out.Dec 25 22:31
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DaemonFC[m]They're fighting for viewers and ad dollars with not one, but two, networks that are vying for viewers who are even dumber than the ones that watch Fox News routinely.Dec 25 22:32
DaemonFC[m]The best as spend is on dumb people.Dec 25 22:32
DaemonFC[m]You can sell them a lifestyle and all kinds of fraudulent products.Dec 25 22:33
DaemonFC[m]*adDec 25 22:33
DaemonFC[m]What's going on now is that the economy breaks down because the system is trying to supply too much into a system where people would buy it if they could, but few can.Dec 25 22:38
DaemonFC[m]The intelligent thing to do would be to stop the wars and pay an annual peace dividend directly into people's bank accounts.Dec 25 22:38
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yesDec 25 23:14
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: let me find you a film on consumerismDec 25 23:14
schestowitzwhen the "plebs" could not be appeasedDec 25 23:14
schestowitzso the media trained them to become shoppersDec 25 23:14
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: here, found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04Dec 25 23:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Century of the Self - Part 1: "Happiness Machines" - YouTubeDec 25 23:15
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8CCC/production/_116244063_optimised-only_new_tiers_23dec-nc.pngDec 25 23:22
schestowitzvZS1:  maybe your prediction will become trueDec 25 23:22
schestowitza tad belatedlyDec 25 23:22
schestowitztaking this nationwideDec 25 23:22
vZS1LolDec 25 23:23
vZS1They're getting pretty obvious nowDec 25 23:23
schestowitzSTAY AT HOME!!Dec 25 23:23
schestowitzbuhhhhh.   maaah dogDec 25 23:24
schestowitz"fuck yo dawn... eat it!"Dec 25 23:24
schestowitz*dawgDec 25 23:24
schestowitzvZS1: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/bbc-boris.jpgDec 25 23:24
schestowitzvZS1: dec 8th http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Stay-indoors-motherfu.jpgDec 25 23:25
schestowitzSignificant Normalcy is “STAY HOME!” (or Else!)Dec 25 23:26
schestowitzvZS1: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/stay-home.jpgDec 25 23:31
schestowitzwanna proofread the poem?Dec 25 23:31
vZS1Eyes are tiredDec 25 23:32
vZS1Pass from meDec 25 23:32
schestowitzit's done now anyway, very short http://techrights.org/2020/12/25/stay-home/Dec 25 23:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Significant Normalcy is “STAY HOME!” (or Else!) | TechrightsDec 25 23:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Like that two part Voyager episode Year of Hell.Dec 25 23:37
DaemonFC[m]Only without the reset from destroying the time ship.Dec 25 23:38
schestowitzcheck out http://techrights.org/2020/12/25/stay-home/ Dec 25 23:39
schestowitzTrump in thereDec 25 23:39
schestowitzI think it gets the point acrossDec 25 23:39
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19740862Dec 25 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Significant Normalcy/Normality is “STAY HOME!” (or Else!) http://techrights.org/2020/12/25/stay-home/ #uk #covid19 #martialLaw (de facto) #curfew #xmas Dec 25 23:39
schestowitzin 15 minutes from now half the English population CANNOT LEAVE THE HOME!Dec 25 23:39
schestowitzGroceries? Not sure how that would work...Dec 25 23:39
schestowitzwhat next? rationing next year after "hard brexit"?Dec 25 23:40
DaemonFC[m]The genius who engineered hard brexit during a pandemic recession.Dec 25 23:45
schestowitzyupDec 25 23:47
schestowitzrationing might be nextDec 25 23:47
schestowitzlike post-ww2Dec 25 23:47
schestowitzsame tricksDec 25 23:47
schestowitzlet's all buckle upDec 25 23:47
schestowitzand suffer togetherDec 25 23:48
schestowitz"the country and queen"Dec 25 23:48
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: "recession" is an understatementDec 25 23:49
schestowitzmore like collapseDec 25 23:49
schestowitzor borderline depressionDec 25 23:49
schestowitzmany people are out of work or barely workDec 25 23:50
schestowitzwithout sign of resumption and no prospects for any job applicants, no matter how experiencedDec 25 23:50
schestowitzHours old, in Planet Fedora also: Daniel Pocock: A Christmas Gift for British friends https://danielpocock.com/christmas-gift-for-british-friends/Dec 25 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielpocock.com | A Christmas Gift for British friendsDec 25 23:50

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