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| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecutor worked her way back to a 1988 conviction for a few grams of marijuana. | Jul 28 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois, the system is different. | Jul 28 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's this thing called a Section 402 conference. | Jul 28 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When this happens, your lawyer and the prosecutor and the judge go into a room and discuss your case. | Jul 28 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The goal is to work out a plea agreement. | Jul 28 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You get to decide whether this happens or you go directly to trial, but if you allow the 402 conference to happen, the judge can find things out about you that would not be admissable under the Rules of Evidence. | Jul 28 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I get to do that because there's really nothing about my case that won't be admissable anyway once we get in there. | Jul 28 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I have no priors for the prosecution to bring up. | Jul 28 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's essentially risk-free to hear the prosecution's offer before deciding. | Jul 28 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what was supposed to happen on Monday, but it got bumped because the prosecution wants to go to a different courtroom and didn't bother to tell anyone. | Jul 28 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prior Bad Acts are the worst thing for your case after talking to the police. | Jul 28 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To be a Prior Bad Act, you must have a conviction for something. | Jul 28 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's an important thing to note, because there's a thing called Supervision, which you can get with a plea deal. It keeps your case technically open and pending, but if you don't get into more trouble and comply with the terms of your deal, it closes and counts as a dismissal. | Jul 28 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Supervision generally goes on for two years, and you cannot get into ANY more trouble with the law. | Jul 28 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a deterrant to reoffend. It's like, "Look, we're slapping you this time, but if you have any more problems, it's going to be very bad for you.". | Jul 28 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The interesting thing about Supervision is that you can leave the state after you finish the terms of your deal, but before Supervision ends. | Jul 28 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which means that it is impossible to get into more trouble in the state, because you aren't there. | Jul 28 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if it takes you a month to do whatever they said to do, get out of the state and let the 23 months remaining run out. | Jul 28 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That way you can't be arrested again in the state before the supervision is over. | Jul 28 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Each state has its own separate court system, so getting arrested in Florida, for example, wouldn't affect your supervision in Illinois. | Jul 28 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not like there are many good reasons to live in Illinois to begin with. | Jul 28 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Taxes are high. Crime is rampant. The economy sucks. The weather sucks. | Jul 28 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The rent is too damned high. | Jul 28 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Charging a "wobbler" as a misdemanor rather than a felony is not necessarily an act of mercy from the prosecutor, MinceR | Jul 28 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since the constitution only requires grand juries to indict someone if it's a felony, the prosecution will charge a weak case as a misdemeanor to be able to scare the fuck out of someone into acccepting a plea deal when they know they couldn't even run it past a grand jury. | Jul 28 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With a felony, they have to get it past a majority of a grand jury (12/23) to go to trial, and then they have to get it past all 12 members of a different jury to get a conviction. | Jul 28 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With a misdemeanor, they bypass the grand jury entirely, file the charges, scare people into taking a plea deal, and if it goes to trial they only have to convince one jury. | Jul 28 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Felony cases also tend to drag on and on and on. | Jul 28 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can take a year or more to get to trial on a felony in Indiana. They had my cousin's husband in jail for over a year just waiting on a trial date. | Jul 28 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got time served in the end, but if you're fond not guilty then the state simply has to let you go, even though you spent a year in jail for something that you didn't do. | Jul 28 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who can't afford bail get worse plea deals offered to them. | Jul 28 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecution figures that they already have you in jail. Maybe even for longer than your sentence would be if you were found guilty. So they make you a bad offer and you take it to get out of jail today, but then you're just in a different problem because maybe you get 3 years probation, or house arrest. | Jul 28 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you bailed out, they can't really sweat you because you're not in jail, so maybe they offer you a year of probation instead. | Jul 28 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's several ways to turn the tide on the prosecutor. Private attorney (and a good one) instead of the public pretender. Don't talk to police. Whatever your bail is, pay it. | Jul 28 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois has bail reform now so many defendants are simply realeased with a notice to appear in court (an I-Bond). | Jul 28 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Over in Indiana, on a misdemeanor, your bail can be as high as $5,000, but typically you pay 10% unless you fail to appear. | Jul 28 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois had that, but then the state noticed that it was paying a lot of money to keep people in jail, where if they had a few hundred dollars, they could get out. | Jul 28 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state's broke. You might not go to jail, or you may spend more time in jail than you would get in the end anyway. | Jul 28 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's a cost cutting measure under the guise of social justice. | Jul 28 00:22 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/6xyux6D.jpg | Jul 28 02:51 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: IE6 doesn't support TLS new enough. | Jul 28 02:56 |
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| XRevan86 | Encryption is the death of obsolete web browsers. | Jul 28 03:08 |
| oiaohm | encryption also reduces ISP caching. | Jul 28 03:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Criminal Justice" is a large portion of the state's budget, but very little goes to prevent the cause of most crime. Poverty. | Jul 28 03:12 |
| oiaohm | so causing items like cloudflare making deals so they can cache instead. Effectively concrtrating data collection. | Jul 28 03:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And a very large amount goes to non-violent drug offenses. | Jul 28 03:12 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: http://www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/facts_figures/1_victims/ In Australia the most common crime is thieft. | Jul 28 03:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crimestats.aic.gov.au | Victims of Crime | Crime Statistics Australia | Jul 28 03:15 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: http://www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/facts_figures/1_victims/A1/ when you look a violent crime the dominate problem is not drugs its sex in Australia at least. | Jul 28 03:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crimestats.aic.gov.au | Victims of violent crime | Crime Statistics Australia | Jul 28 03:21 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://assets.amuniversal.com/9ab11a9075180137a587005056a9545d | Jul 28 11:40 |
| XRevan86 | Wouldn't've found this relatable in the "old Fediverse". But now I know exactly what they mean. Huzzah. | Jul 28 11:41 |
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| XRevan86 | Is it normal that Apache httpd with mod_http2 adds an "Upgrade: h2,h2c" header to every HTTP/1.x connection? | Jul 28 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | Both HTTP and HTTPS. | Jul 28 13:03 |
| scientes | XRevan86, English also has less/fewer which is inflective | Jul 28 13:03 |
| scientes | but disposable Usosians usually get it wrong | Jul 28 13:04 |
| scientes | so much so that there are placards at grocery stores that say "10 items or less" | Jul 28 13:04 |
| scientes | which is incorrect | Jul 28 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: much/many | Jul 28 13:05 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 28 13:05 |
| scientes | that one get right more often | Jul 28 13:05 |
| scientes | ugggh 18 sounds too much like 17 in Russian | Jul 28 13:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: ? | Jul 28 13:12 |
| scientes | hmm maybe its just the pronunciation | Jul 28 13:14 |
| scientes | cause reading it no problem | Jul 28 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't understand. | Jul 28 13:14 |
| scientes | well it seemed to drop the В | Jul 28 13:15 |
| scientes | compared to 8 | Jul 28 13:15 |
| XRevan86 | I seem to lack context… | Jul 28 13:15 |
| scientes | yes you are. | Jul 28 13:17 |
| scientes | instead of восемнадцать I was hearing a schwa'd висемнадцать | Jul 28 13:17 |
| scientes | or rather ви-семнадцать | Jul 28 13:18 |
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| XRevan86 | въсимнацать | Jul 28 13:18 |
| scientes | so its very similar to семнадцать | Jul 28 13:18 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 28 13:18 |
| scientes | въсимнацать | Jul 28 13:19 |
| scientes | but if you pronounce it восемнадцать you will be understood? | Jul 28 13:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: of course | Jul 28 13:19 |
| XRevan86 | enunciation is less ambiguous, not more :) | Jul 28 13:21 |
| scientes | cause i was identifying 8 by the breath, which is not in English, and they it didn't have it | Jul 28 13:23 |
| scientes | then* | Jul 28 13:23 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: By the breath? | Jul 28 13:30 |
| scientes | вос | Jul 28 13:31 |
| scientes | instead of "what" | Jul 28 13:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Don't pay as much attention to vowels. | Jul 28 13:31 |
| XRevan86 | unstressed vowels aren't important | Jul 28 13:31 |
| XRevan86 | also: it cannot be ви-, because "в" is broad here | Jul 28 13:32 |
| XRevan86 | вы- then | Jul 28 13:33 |
| scientes | buts its pronounced the same as in в гастизтса | Jul 28 13:34 |
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| scientes | missed the н | Jul 28 13:35 |
| scientes | в гостиных | Jul 28 13:36 |
| scientes | ahh yes, there was vowel at the end o that, but it isn't in the written form | Jul 28 13:37 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> also: it cannot be ви-, because "в" is broad here | Jul 28 13:38 |
| scientes | ahh yes, I can see that | Jul 28 13:38 |
| XRevan86 | "there was vowel at the end o that" – what? where? | Jul 28 13:38 |
| scientes | I heard a uhhh | Jul 28 13:38 |
| scientes | in the recording | Jul 28 13:39 |
| scientes | I'm doing the Pimleurs | Jul 28 13:39 |
| scientes | Pimsleurs | Jul 28 13:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ah, the narrator made an "uh"? | Jul 28 13:39 |
| scientes | it was made before the rouble re-denomination | Jul 28 13:40 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes | Jul 28 13:40 |
| scientes | в гостиныха | Jul 28 13:40 |
| XRevan86 | When I pronounce "в гостиных", I say it as if it is one word: "вгостиных" | Jul 28 13:41 |
| XRevan86 | no vowel in between | Jul 28 13:41 |
| scientes | ahh yes I can read what you are saying | Jul 28 13:41 |
| scientes | тысяча | Jul 28 13:41 |
| scientes | but i guess with the inflation its getting back closer | Jul 28 13:42 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: At the current rate it'd still take quite a while. | Jul 28 13:43 |
| XRevan86 | I'd say that since the denomination the value of the ruble decreased 3-5 times. | Jul 28 13:44 |
| XRevan86 | compare that to a thousand | Jul 28 13:44 |
| scientes | oh, so i was never comparable to a dollar (any of the big ones) or euro | Jul 28 13:45 |
| scientes | so no portion coins were issued? | Jul 28 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: copecks are still issues | Jul 28 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | issued | Jul 28 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | albeit worthless | Jul 28 13:46 |
| scientes | yeah i have a rouble | Jul 28 13:46 |
| scientes | exactly one | Jul 28 13:47 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russia-Coin-0.01-2007-a.png | Jul 28 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Russia-Coin-0.01-2007-a.png - Wikipedia | Jul 28 13:47 | |
| scientes | wow all the way down to 1 copeck | Jul 28 13:47 |
| scientes | as recently as 2017 | Jul 28 13:48 |
| XRevan86 | In 1998 a rouble costed $21 | Jul 28 13:48 |
| scientes | XRevan86, you could probably legally pay the government with those | Jul 28 13:48 |
| scientes | oh damn | Jul 28 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | Now it costs $63 | Jul 28 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | But of course $ is variable as well | Jul 28 13:49 |
| scientes | oh, you are getting it backwards | Jul 28 13:49 |
| scientes | 21 roubles cost 1 USD | Jul 28 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: sorry, yes :) | Jul 28 13:49 |
| scientes | yeah, lets bring back costed, "cost" is too ambiguous :) | Jul 28 13:49 |
| scientes | people say "use to cost" | Jul 28 13:50 |
| scientes | but that is just stupid | Jul 28 13:50 |
| XRevan86 | * used to | Jul 28 13:50 |
| scientes | and "once cost" is too similar to "costs at once" | Jul 28 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | I would've said "once costed" | Jul 28 13:51 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, I spelled as people lazily say it | Jul 28 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: ah | Jul 28 13:51 |
| scientes | there is a bit of a stop, but it is pretty close | Jul 28 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | yustu-kost | Jul 28 13:52 |
| scientes | уйс' то кост | Jul 28 13:54 |
| scientes | the russian keyboard doesn't have ' | Jul 28 13:54 |
| scientes | wow | Jul 28 13:54 |
| scientes | I guess it's kinda pressed for keys | Jul 28 13:55 |
| XRevan86 | Dunno why | Jul 28 13:55 |
| XRevan86 | юсту кост | Jul 28 13:55 |
| scientes | ahh yes ю | Jul 28 13:55 |
| scientes | but there is a stop there | Jul 28 13:55 |
| scientes | those are usually transliterated with ' | Jul 28 13:55 |
| scientes | that takes the place of the d | Jul 28 13:56 |
| XRevan86 | 3-5 times – okay, I underrated the inflation significantly | Jul 28 13:56 |
| XRevan86 | I'm reading what people say about costs in 1998 | Jul 28 13:56 |
| XRevan86 | 2.5 roubles for a Snickers | Jul 28 13:56 |
| scientes | well that is graft inflation | Jul 28 13:56 |
| scientes | its not the same as actual inflation | Jul 28 13:57 |
| XRevan86 | today it's ~25 roubles | Jul 28 13:57 |
| scientes | like here in Peru the US restaurants as in the US, despite them paying the workers way less | Jul 28 13:57 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that is still a decent price | Jul 28 13:57 |
| XRevan86 | so in Snickers' roubles lost it's value 10 times | Jul 28 13:58 |
| XRevan86 | * their | Jul 28 13:58 |
| scientes | but yeah dollar has also inflated quite a bit | Jul 28 13:58 |
| scientes | especially in the 90s | Jul 28 13:58 |
| scientes | because in the 90s oil was only 20 USD per barrel | Jul 28 13:59 |
| scientes | it was insanely cheap, the lowest price in history compared to prices of other things | Jul 28 13:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It is thought to be the reason for why Russia in the 90s was THAT miserable | Jul 28 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | Putin got quite lucky | Jul 28 14:00 |
| scientes | well it was related to Clinton's ass-hattery | Jul 28 14:00 |
| scientes | North Sea oil, Norway came on-board, Alaska Prudoe Bay тожа | Jul 28 14:01 |
| XRevan86 | > тожа | Jul 28 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | You're getting a hang on this :) | Jul 28 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | pronunciation hacks | Jul 28 14:02 |
| scientes | and then Russia (with superior US technology) also shot up in production, with Mikhail Khodorkovsky stealing all the money | Jul 28 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | all the money? pfft | Jul 28 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | Just a run-of-the-mill oligarch. | Jul 28 14:03 |
| scientes | everyone was saying "petrodollar" back then too | Jul 28 14:04 |
| scientes | it was a more honest age | Jul 28 14:04 |
| scientes | until the dot-com bust when it just went full-retard | Jul 28 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | But he made wrong enemies, and so excommunicated. | Jul 28 14:04 |
| scientes | and MSM, right? | Jul 28 14:05 |
| scientes | the big Russian pyramid scheme | Jul 28 14:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: MMM | Jul 28 14:05 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_(Ponzi_scheme_company) | Jul 28 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MMM (Ponzi scheme company) - Wikipedia | Jul 28 14:05 | |
| scientes | I saw a movie somewhat recently about Georgia in those times | Jul 28 14:05 |
| scientes | with the Chechnya mafia | Jul 28 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | Mavrodi died recently. It was weird to see people mourn for him. | Jul 28 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_Global | Jul 28 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MMM Global - Wikipedia | Jul 28 14:06 | |
| XRevan86 | In 2011 he tried to renew his scam. | Jul 28 14:07 |
| scientes | yeah but the whole US economy is a ponzi scheme | Jul 28 14:07 |
| XRevan86 | "but"? | Jul 28 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | Nothing excuses that MMM is a scam in the most literal sense of the word. | Jul 28 14:08 |
| scientes | and Putin also had some words to the US-style ponzi scheme in one of his big speeches | Jul 28 14:09 |
| scientes | the rental thing | Jul 28 14:09 |
| scientes | where rent just goes up and up | Jul 28 14:09 |
| scientes | in the US it is stupid level | Jul 28 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | I can only guess what damage it inflicted upon other countries, mostly African | Jul 28 14:09 |
| scientes | especially since the 2008 collapse | Jul 28 14:10 |
| scientes | where they decided to just print money instead of let the housing prices go down | Jul 28 14:10 |
| scientes | yes, keep feeding the parasites, that will solve the problems | Jul 28 14:10 |
| scientes | same with the auto companies | Jul 28 14:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: One thing to know about Russian billionaires is that the word "oligarch" is not derogatory, it's accurate. | Jul 28 14:12 |
| scientes | and same with healthcare | Jul 28 14:12 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, they even embrace it on US television, which glamorizes them | Jul 28 14:13 |
| scientes | it is their way of preventing that Putin doesn't exist | Jul 28 14:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: preventing? | Jul 28 14:14 |
| scientes | pretending | Jul 28 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | The current oligarchs are one with Putin. | Jul 28 14:14 |
| scientes | but they can't ignore him | Jul 28 14:15 |
| scientes | like they ignore every other bobble-head (besides Xi) | Jul 28 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's like talking about the White House and ignore Donaltrump | Jul 28 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | Putin is not a bobble-head, yes. | Jul 28 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | He is a yin and yang, an alpha and omega of the contemporary Russian state. | Jul 28 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | The big chef %) | Jul 28 14:18 |
| scientes | Costa Rica and even Panama have more of a government than Peru | Jul 28 14:18 |
| scientes | meh, maybe not | Jul 28 14:19 |
| scientes | all these countries are so controlled | Jul 28 14:19 |
| scientes | they are more dominated by the culture | Jul 28 14:25 |
| scientes | which thankfully still exists | Jul 28 14:25 |
| scientes | unlike in the US | Jul 28 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | So yea, I've checked out Apache httpd. And it's worse than I expected. | Jul 28 14:30 |
| scientes | oh its horrible | Jul 28 14:30 |
| scientes | but it was the first | Jul 28 14:30 |
| scientes | just use nginx or lighttpd | Jul 28 14:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I avoided the stuff for 6 years. | Jul 28 14:30 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it initially would call fork() for every request | Jul 28 14:31 |
| scientes | they had to create version 2 to fix that | Jul 28 14:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Now it uses threads | Jul 28 14:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I am using nginx, of course. | Jul 28 14:31 |
| XRevan86 | I wanted to check how Apache httpd fares with HTTP/2, since I saw a host that does something very fishy with it. | Jul 28 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | It doesn't have HTTP/2, but has Upgrade: h2. | Jul 28 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | I couldn't reproduce that. But now I know that Apache httpd really does add h2 and h2c to Upgrade | Jul 28 14:33 |
| scientes | yeah nginx or lighttpd | Jul 28 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | I can only assume their internal architecture only allows them to add protocols like that. | Jul 28 14:34 |
| scientes | well yeah HTTP/3 will be complicated | Jul 28 14:34 |
| scientes | i patched nginx to call ssh when the client is speaking ssh | Jul 28 14:34 |
| scientes | so i could avoid firewalls | Jul 28 14:34 |
| XRevan86 | HTTP/3 is weird. | Jul 28 14:34 |
| scientes | especially as it means putting a full TCP stack into the server | Jul 28 14:35 |
| scientes | and client | Jul 28 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: lighttpd is kinda crappy | Jul 28 14:35 |
| scientes | i haven't used it much | Jul 28 14:35 |
| scientes | its pretty similar to nginx | Jul 28 14:35 |
| scientes | but it doesn't have the momentum | Jul 28 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | or a decent documentation | Jul 28 14:35 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: And lighttpd configuration makes one appreciate the location concept. | Jul 28 14:43 |
| scientes | nginx is just really well done | Jul 28 14:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So it's not baby duck syndrome? :) | Jul 28 14:46 |
| scientes | no, I use nginx | Jul 28 14:46 |
| scientes | hehe | Jul 28 14:46 |
| XRevan86 | nginx is the first HTTP server I ever had experience with, and the one I still solely use. | Jul 28 14:46 |
| scientes | well yeah, I just proposed to remove the concept of bytes from the zig language | Jul 28 14:46 |
| scientes | and bytes are def. a baby duck concept | Jul 28 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | I'm looking for alternatives, but they all… how to say this, suck | Jul 28 14:47 |
| scientes | that programmers know, so when you say we shouldn't have it they get kinda perturbed | Jul 28 14:47 |
| scientes | no, I used apache | Jul 28 14:47 |
| scientes | and lighttpd | Jul 28 14:47 |
| scientes | and nginx just is really good | Jul 28 14:47 |
| scientes | and also some ruby ones | Jul 28 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | There are also H2O and Caddy | Jul 28 14:47 |
| scientes | well h20 is based on a new crypto library | Jul 28 14:48 |
| scientes | picotls, right | Jul 28 14:48 |
| scientes | so that is kinda cool | Jul 28 14:48 |
| scientes | but it wouldn't be hard to plug nginx's crypto library and put something | Jul 28 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | H2O is feature-lacking, Caddy is a kitchen sink (also commercial and Open Core). | Jul 28 14:48 |
| scientes | else in | Jul 28 14:48 |
| scientes | which is why nginx is so friggen cool | Jul 28 14:48 |
| scientes | cause having done paid work on crypto libraries, and finding security bugs too | Jul 28 14:48 |
| scientes | crypto libraries kinda suck | Jul 28 14:49 |
| scientes | openssl has the best optimization | Jul 28 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | I just want something more FOSS, libre and stuff. | Jul 28 14:49 |
| scientes | and only openssl has reasonable abstractions | Jul 28 14:49 |
| scientes | the other's try to hold your hand too much | Jul 28 14:49 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah but the core of nginx hasn't changed | Jul 28 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm not in panic-mode :) | Jul 28 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | I'd just really like to | Jul 28 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | and if there were, I'd be immoral for me to continue to use nginx | Jul 28 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | but apparently not | Jul 28 14:50 |
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| scientes | well yes, I really admire the business model of Red Hat | Jul 28 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | Oh well, if something really bad happens, nginx hopefully will be forked. | Jul 28 14:54 |
| scientes | despite all the flack they get, I see them as a moral company | Jul 28 14:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Oh, you haven't heard? | Jul 28 14:55 |
| scientes | yes IBM | Jul 28 14:55 |
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| XRevan86 | Talk about offensive speech. "Dumb" turns out to mean someone mute. | Jul 28 15:50 |
| scientes | yes it does..... | Jul 28 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't even know that meaning. | Jul 28 15:50 |
| scientes | retard | Jul 28 15:50 |
| scientes | there are a few more | Jul 28 15:50 |
| scientes | stupid is the real word | Jul 28 15:50 |
| scientes | moron | Jul 28 15:51 |
| scientes | lots of medical terms get turned into general synonyms of stupid | Jul 28 15:51 |
| scientes | also idiot is greek | Jul 28 15:51 |
| scientes | its a constant cycle | Jul 28 15:51 |
| scientes | and then medicine has to come up with new terms | Jul 28 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | In Russian idiot has the same meaning. | Jul 28 15:51 |
| scientes | well its greek | Jul 28 15:51 |
| scientes | and it shows up in important greek culture | Jul 28 15:52 |
| scientes | also there is Dostoevsky's book | Jul 28 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | It's probably in Russian from French. | Jul 28 15:52 |
| scientes | i've also heard that it has a more specific meaning, someone who is politically apathetic | Jul 28 15:52 |
| scientes | rather than merely stupid | Jul 28 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | "Dostoevsky" – err, Dostoyevsky | Jul 28 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder why the traditional transliteration doesn't account for that… | Jul 28 15:53 |
| scientes | because "ev" can make that sound | Jul 28 15:54 |
| scientes | oh no | Jul 28 15:54 |
| scientes | yeah IDK | Jul 28 15:54 |
| scientes | maybe cause the sound doesn't exist in English | Jul 28 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | > yeah | Jul 28 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | > ye | Jul 28 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | Very doesn't exist %) | Jul 28 15:54 |
| scientes | yeah its generally said with the sound of yeah | Jul 28 15:55 |
| scientes | which is wrong | Jul 28 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, it's right. Dost-oye-vskiy | Jul 28 15:56 |
| scientes | or is it right | Jul 28 15:56 |
| scientes | uhhh i'm so confused | Jul 28 15:56 |
| scientes | Dosto-yeah-ski | Jul 28 15:56 |
| scientes | 🎿 | Jul 28 15:57 |
| scientes | ⛷️ | Jul 28 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You lost the "v" (or "f") | Jul 28 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But "yeah" implies a move to "ah", that shouldn't happen. | Jul 28 15:59 |
| scientes | sometimes that is silent | Jul 28 15:59 |
| scientes | cause "yea" isn't really accepted as a word | Jul 28 15:59 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yea#English | Jul 28 16:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | yea - Wiktionary | Jul 28 16:00 | |
| scientes | and "ye" is something totally different (and archaic) | Jul 28 16:00 |
| scientes | oh its spelled yea | Jul 28 16:00 |
| XRevan86 | Are you sure about that? %) | Jul 28 16:00 |
| XRevan86 | "yea" is the proper spelling, "yeah" is colloquial | Jul 28 16:00 |
| scientes | oh, didn't realize it was the same word | Jul 28 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yea, I didn't mean "ye" as in "yi" | Jul 28 16:01 |
| scientes | The pony was yea high. | Jul 28 16:01 |
| scientes | that's a differn't word | Jul 28 16:01 |
| scientes | "Yeah." mean agreeance | Jul 28 16:01 |
| scientes | oh, but that is a version of the first def. of Yea | Jul 28 16:01 |
| scientes | interesting | Jul 28 16:01 |
| scientes | didn't realize they were the same word | Jul 28 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In Early Modern English "yea" was agreeing, "yes" was contradicting | Jul 28 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | also "no" and "nay" | Jul 28 16:02 |
| scientes | didn't know that | Jul 28 16:02 |
| scientes | although I did know that thumbs up meant "off with his head" | Jul 28 16:02 |
| scientes | so Gladiator movie is anacronistic | Jul 28 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | I've noticed that "yeah" is always used when in agreement, so I conclude it's the same word. | Jul 28 16:02 |
| scientes | will it makes sense | Jul 28 16:03 |
| scientes | but i never thought about it | Jul 28 16:03 |
| scientes | yea is still used in format contexts | Jul 28 16:03 |
| scientes | "the yeas and the neighs" | Jul 28 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | That when people say "yea" they're being PROPER? :D | Jul 28 16:03 |
| scientes | and then Yeah. is very informal | Jul 28 16:03 |
| scientes | but its the same word :)))))) | Jul 28 16:04 |
| scientes | oh "nays" | Jul 28 16:04 |
| scientes | but its probably spelled both ways | Jul 28 16:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I doubt that. | Jul 28 16:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: neigh is a horse sound | Jul 28 16:05 |
| scientes | neigh is like the sound a ... | Jul 28 16:05 |
| scientes | i was about to say that | Jul 28 16:05 |
| scientes | i didn't realize those were differn't words.... hehe | Jul 28 16:05 |
| scientes | as they are homophones | Jul 28 16:05 |
| XRevan86 | "the yeas and the neighs" – possibly intentionally mispelled for a humourous effect. | Jul 28 16:06 |
| scientes | which are very worthless | Jul 28 16:06 |
| scientes | witch which? | Jul 28 16:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Some dialects distinguish those. | Jul 28 16:06 |
| XRevan86 | wich, hwich | Jul 28 16:06 |
| scientes | > hwich | Jul 28 16:06 |
| scientes | oh yeah i've heard that | Jul 28 16:07 |
| scientes | but not where i'm from | Jul 28 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | I admire that. But it's hard for me to replicate that "hw" sound perfectly. | Jul 28 16:07 |
| scientes | not for me | Jul 28 16:07 |
| scientes | it must be used elsewhere | Jul 28 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | The "h" comes off too pronounced. | Jul 28 16:07 |
| scientes | whack | Jul 28 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Would be "wak" in standard English | Jul 28 16:08 |
| scientes | yeah but i pronoucing it with that strong h sound like you are talking ab out | Jul 28 16:08 |
| scientes | especially when being enthusiastic | Jul 28 16:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Sounds like partial retention :) | Jul 28 16:09 |
| XRevan86 | in a more sterile^W standard speech it'd be lost completely | Jul 28 16:09 |
| scientes | like Whack the Piñata! | Jul 28 16:09 |
| scientes | or in baseball: whack it! | Jul 28 16:10 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> in a more sterile^W standard speech it'd be lost completely | Jul 28 16:10 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 28 16:10 |
| scientes | but then you sound boring | Jul 28 16:10 |
| scientes | and unenthusiastic | Jul 28 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "w" can be over-enunciated though. | Jul 28 16:11 |
| scientes | yeah but then you are a wanker | Jul 28 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I've also heard some interesting examples of when that "hw" sound pops up where it shouldn't. | Jul 28 16:11 |
| scientes | for not pronoucing it ^^ properly | Jul 28 16:12 |
| XRevan86 | In ST:TNG Mr. Worf says "weapons" like "wheapons" | Jul 28 16:12 |
| scientes | oh that is weird | Jul 28 16:12 |
| scientes | because it isn't a action word | Jul 28 16:12 |
| scientes | but weird might include it | Jul 28 16:12 |
| scientes | to add emphasis | Jul 28 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | I say Star Trek: First Contact yesterday, and he did that there. And I remembered it's not the first time. | Jul 28 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | * I saw | Jul 28 16:13 |
| scientes | yeah its definitely optional with weird | Jul 28 16:13 |
| scientes | esp. with "weirdo" | Jul 28 16:14 |
| XRevan86 | That's not proper, yes. | Jul 28 16:14 |
| scientes | Or could be used with what, again for emphasis | Jul 28 16:15 |
| scientes | like "WHAT did you say?" | Jul 28 16:15 |
| scientes | to express suprise | Jul 28 16:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/1155475097421000704 | Jul 28 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz I was thinking something like that was going to happen when I went to the SuSE conference in Nuremberg earlier this year. | Jul 28 16:17 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking something like that was going to happen when I went to the SuSE conference in Nuremberg earlier this year. | Jul 28 16:17 |
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| XRevan86 | SAP? | Jul 28 16:18 |
| XRevan86 | That's worrisome. | Jul 28 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: IIRC, in Andromeda Tyr Anasazi did a similiar thing. | Jul 28 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: w → wh (hw) | Jul 28 16:23 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTdDSYdq4d8 | Jul 28 16:24 |
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| scientes | jump to minute 1 | Jul 28 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: 1:34 – hwat, yes | Jul 28 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: This reminds me of a time when I first saw Benny Hill and decided I hate this kind of comedy. | Jul 28 16:28 |
| psydroid | SuSE 7.0 was my first Linux distribution when they still sold boxes in stores, but I haven't looked at their releases for the past 10 years or so | Jul 28 16:28 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah i was never into it, but many people in my high school imitated it when it came out. | Jul 28 16:31 |
| scientes | it is very crude | Jul 28 16:32 |
| scientes | I actually like three stooges, and slap-stick, but not that | Jul 28 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's obnoxious enough to be memorable | Jul 28 16:33 |
| XRevan86 | I can see why it's fun to imitate I guess. | Jul 28 16:35 |
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| XRevan86 | But as a sketch it's not funny in the slightest. | Jul 28 16:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: 7:10 – hwite | Jul 28 16:38 |
| scientes | well of course, the whole skit is based on what you were talking about | Jul 28 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's said by a different person. | Jul 28 16:39 |
| scientes | oh, yeah that isn't part of the skip | Jul 28 16:40 |
| scientes | *skit | Jul 28 16:40 |
| scientes | again, it is for emphasis | Jul 28 16:40 |
| scientes | or meh, | Jul 28 16:40 |
| XRevan86 | didn't seem very emphatic | Jul 28 16:40 |
| scientes | i wouldn't have even noticed it had you not mentioned it | Jul 28 16:40 |
| scientes | in this case its more to sound more official, but in a stupid way | Jul 28 16:41 |
| scientes | or yeah, i don't really know | Jul 28 16:41 |
| scientes | maybe a little east-coast | Jul 28 16:41 |
| scientes | anyways, where I am from it is never said that way | Jul 28 16:42 |
| scientes | but it isn't unusual | Jul 28 16:42 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, it's proper, archaic and a little South I think. | Jul 28 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | Southern | Jul 28 16:43 |
| scientes | yes Southern | Jul 28 16:43 |
| scientes | that is it | Jul 28 16:43 |
| scientes | "deep south" in particular | Jul 28 16:44 |
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| scientes | I'm very far away from that culture | Jul 28 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I base my understanding of a Sourthern accent on General Hammond from Stargate: SG-1 | Jul 28 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | and he does the thing too | Jul 28 16:46 |
| scientes | well the culture of the south is very unique | Jul 28 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | (I've been discussing the very same thing with MinceR some time ago) | Jul 28 16:46 |
| scientes | always has been | Jul 28 16:46 |
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| scientes | Sasha Baron Cohen (Borat) was obsessed with it, and wrote his doctorate on it | Jul 28 16:47 |
| scientes | and then had it the setting of the Borat movie | Jul 28 16:47 |
| scientes | Thomas Jefferson, Woodrow Wilson | Jul 28 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | I should probably see that (: | Jul 28 16:48 |
| scientes | meh, its not the greatest | Jul 28 16:48 |
| XRevan86 | BORDT | Jul 28 16:48 |
| scientes | but the original Ali G show (BBC) was pretty good | Jul 28 16:48 |
| scientes | although he does try to have have sex with that famous US politician | Jul 28 16:49 |
| scientes | which is pretty funny | Jul 28 16:49 |
| scientes | gay sex | Jul 28 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder why they picked Kazakhstan… | Jul 28 16:49 |
| scientes | Kazakhstan first hated it, and then when their tourism picked up they embraced it | Jul 28 16:50 |
| scientes | its pretty mean | Jul 28 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: As I understand it, it has absolutely nothing to do with Kazakhstan | Jul 28 16:50 |
| scientes | correct | Jul 28 16:50 |
| scientes | its based on the precise that Kazakhstan is a backwards "soviet" (nothing to do with USSR) place | Jul 28 16:51 |
| scientes | where people have sex with their underage sisters | Jul 28 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | An Arstotzka | Jul 28 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What… | Jul 28 16:51 |
| scientes | yes, the place where the soviet space program is.... | Jul 28 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | * on the premise | Jul 28 16:52 |
| scientes | yes premise | Jul 28 16:52 |
| scientes | not sure why I'm mixing words like that today | Jul 28 16:52 |
| scientes | well, that was a single letter | Jul 28 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Soon you'll start смешивать words из русского | Jul 28 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | > where people have sex with their underage sisters | Jul 28 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | This is extremely offensive. | Jul 28 16:54 |
| scientes | yes, it is | Jul 28 16:54 |
| scientes | <scientes> its pretty mean | Jul 28 16:54 |
| scientes | its not a good joke at all | Jul 28 16:54 |
| scientes | his jokes are usually not like that | Jul 28 16:55 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqZKW1WEVlM | Jul 28 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ali-G Drugs - YouTube | Jul 28 16:55 | |
| XRevan86 | This other guy looks like a younger Alexander Nevzorov %) | Jul 28 16:56 |
| scientes | yeah but the point is that its a police officer | Jul 28 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | except with a Usonian touch | Jul 28 16:57 |
| oiaohm | Really all the different names for the same thing. | Jul 28 16:57 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that is BBC | Jul 28 16:57 |
| scientes | "Does Class A absolutely guarantee that they are better quality." | Jul 28 16:58 |
| scientes | ahh damn, no goto in C++ | Jul 28 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Since when? | Jul 28 17:02 |
| scientes | not quite | Jul 28 17:02 |
| scientes | ../src/ir.cpp:13907:18: note: crosses initialization of ‘ZigType* wanted_type’ | Jul 28 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, of course you cannot screw with initialisation with goto. | Jul 28 17:02 |
| scientes | yeah, but when you are just using C built in C++ mode | Jul 28 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | C99 allows that? | Jul 28 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | lemme check | Jul 28 17:03 |
| scientes | yes it does | Jul 28 17:03 |
| scientes | because initialization is not special | Jul 28 17:03 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.knowyourbeef.co.za/buyers-advice/age-class/age-grade-class-what-it-all-means always when people say class A I think of the older meat grading system where class is just age without other factors like feed quality. | Jul 28 17:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.knowyourbeef.co.za | How Beef is Graded and Classed | Beefcor - Know your beef | Jul 28 17:04 | |
| scientes | oiaohm, there is also class A milk | Jul 28 17:04 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: You're right, C99 doesn't have a problem with that. | Jul 28 17:05 |
| oiaohm | scientes: what country is that most countries milk has number classes. | Jul 28 17:06 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A2_milk there is proteen type and usage type with milk they always include a number proteen type is A1 or A2 with milk from what I am use to. | Jul 28 17:08 |
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| scientes | What class is milk with melanina? | Jul 28 17:09 |
| scientes | *melanine | Jul 28 17:09 |
| oiaohm | scientes: melamine makes it techically toxic waste. | Jul 28 17:10 |
| scientes | thats the joke.... | Jul 28 17:11 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal | Jul 28 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 2008 Chinese milk scandal - Wikipedia | Jul 28 17:11 | |
| oiaohm | melamine is basically a human posion. | Jul 28 17:11 |
| scientes | you can make Formica with it | Jul 28 17:12 |
| oiaohm | Does not change in large doesages melanine poisonous quickly due to rapid generation of kiddey stones and small does increased kiddey stone risk that is not up there in the fun department. | Jul 28 17:14 |
| scientes | neither is substitution on ethlene glycol for glycerine | Jul 28 17:15 |
| oiaohm | Basically you want to screw over a human population slowly and painfully melamine in the water supply will do the job it nicely tasteless. | Jul 28 17:15 |
| scientes | its called black humor | Jul 28 17:17 |
| oiaohm | I do find it funny that most people did not notice that the increase usage of melanine plates in the homes because they were cheep lined up with increased need to treat kiddey stones. Yes they are still on sale in most countries. | Jul 28 17:19 |
| oiaohm | I know you call it black humor but melanine and its problems is one majorly ignored problem. | Jul 28 17:19 |
| scientes | a science teacher of mine had a plate from vietnam that used glaze with metal from an old uranium mine | Jul 28 17:19 |
| scientes | and you could use it to test a geiger counter | Jul 28 17:20 |
| scientes | oiaohm, did you see the video that XRevan86 posted the other day that had the hexavalent chromium plant in the background? | Jul 28 17:20 |
| oiaohm | My school had a geiger counter that itself was radio active because it was a left over for nuke weapon testing in this country. | Jul 28 17:21 |
| oiaohm | Kinda mades it a little hard to calibrate. | Jul 28 17:21 |
| *XRevan86 thinks about showing a video with a Russian French Riviera | Jul 28 17:22 | |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexavalent_chromium there are a lot of disasters with hexavalent chromium yet it still made. | Jul 28 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hexavalent chromium - Wikipedia | Jul 28 17:24 | |
| scientes | oiaohm, and aren't all uses replacable by trivalent chromium? | Jul 28 17:24 |
| scientes | note that most of those problems are US ones | Jul 28 17:24 |
| scientes | Inside the cell, hexavalent chromium(VI) is reduced first to pentavalent chromium(V) then to trivalent chromium(III) without the aid of any enzymes. | Jul 28 17:25 |
| scientes | oh | Jul 28 17:25 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/0xG0UNaz0XQ | Jul 28 17:25 |
| scientes | so trivalent is still quite bad | Jul 28 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Новосибирские Мальдивы. Как это возможно? - YouTube | Jul 28 17:25 | |
| scientes | and all leather these days is cured with chromium | Jul 28 17:25 |
| scientes | because that process is much cheaper | Jul 28 17:25 |
| scientes | its almost impossible to get leather tanned with fermaldehyde instead | Jul 28 17:26 |
| scientes | or lime, the old way | Jul 28 17:26 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/6Z1gQVtkexs | Jul 28 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-«Ядовитые Мальдивы»: отравленный «курорт» под Новосибирском - YouTube | Jul 28 17:26 | |
| scientes | Ca(OH)2 | Jul 28 17:26 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_plating the answer is sorry no trivalent chromium is not a good of plating as Hexavalent_chromium for your thicker coatings. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chrome plating - Wikipedia | Jul 28 17:27 | |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xG0UNaz0XQ&feature=youtu.be#t=60 | Jul 28 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Новосибирские Мальдивы. Как это возможно? - YouTube | Jul 28 17:27 | |
| scientes | hehe, what's with this glamour shot | Jul 28 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | What could be more glamourous than chemical hazard | Jul 28 17:28 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: most common usage of the thicker coatings of Hexavalent Chromium is horrible gun barrels. | Jul 28 17:30 |
| oiaohm | scientes: for almost all your non war stuff trivalent chromium is good enough. | Jul 28 17:31 |
| scientes | tumgsten poisoning from gun barrel www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8874460 | Jul 28 17:31 |
| scientes | https://www.finishing.com/422/01.shtml | Jul 28 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.finishing.com | Replacement ideas for Hard Chrome plating of gun barrel bores | Jul 28 17:32 | |
| oiaohm | scientes: that normally your smaller guns. I am talking field gun glass and larger. Think tank barrel. | Jul 28 17:33 |
| oiaohm | glass/class | Jul 28 17:33 |
| scientes | if you also make them with U-238 those tank shots can go threw a few tanks | Jul 28 17:33 |
| scientes | they are so sharp | Jul 28 17:33 |
| scientes | *through | Jul 28 17:33 |
| oiaohm | The barrel for using U-238 shells is normally Hexavalent Chromium coated. | Jul 28 17:34 |
| oiaohm | So lets say multi levels of toxicity on the modern day battle field. You don't have to just worry about your enemy your weapons are out to kill the user as well. | Jul 28 17:35 |
| scientes | there was a russian gun that had so much kickback it would destroy the plane it was mounted on https://what-if.xkcd.com/21/ | Jul 28 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-what-if.xkcd.com | Machine Gun Jetpack | Jul 28 17:35 | |
| scientes | https://what-if.xkcd.com/imgs/a/21/jetpack_speeding.png | Jul 28 17:37 |
| oiaohm | I still remember watching a video in high school of weapon test for bunker busting. It was show as example of what poor planning could do. | Jul 28 17:38 |
| scientes | If I mounted a GAU-8 on my car, put the car in neutral, and started firing backward from a standstill, I would be breaking the interstate speed limit in less than three seconds. | Jul 28 17:38 |
| oiaohm | Seen 1 foot bore barrel/ 15m long cannon come a flying protectile because it was not mounted down properly was horriblely bad. | Jul 28 17:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes the shell successfully demo bunker busting the barrel demo why you should plan thing carefully. | Jul 28 17:40 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.geek.com/apple/apple-uses-windows-on-mac-pro-production-line-1596141/ this is a good what the. | Jul 28 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple uses Windows on Mac Pro production line - Geek.com | Jul 28 17:45 | |
| oiaohm | Yes since then Apple has increase the mandate to use newer version of Windows in their production lines. | Jul 28 17:45 |
| oiaohm | Building apple computers and they cannot use apple computers in the production line. | Jul 28 17:46 |
| scientes | what's the big deal | Jul 28 17:46 |
| scientes | oiaohm, computer manufacture is a highly specific and specialized industry | Jul 28 17:46 |
| scientes | so they are probably going to use the same stuff that is used in china | Jul 28 17:46 |
| scientes | except that line doesn't look very well organized | Jul 28 17:47 |
| scientes | there isn't even a conveyor belt | Jul 28 17:47 |
| oiaohm | China for electronics assmebly its a mix of Linux and Windows. Some factories are Linux based other are Windows based. | Jul 28 17:49 |
| oiaohm | Of course while apple was made in the USA theirs was apple hardware based. | Jul 28 17:49 |
| oiaohm | scientes: that what they would be showing would the rework area. | Jul 28 17:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie the stuff rejected due to some reason from the main production line. | Jul 28 17:51 |
| scientes | its not a big deal | Jul 28 17:51 |
| oiaohm | Kind of is when you are needing to test the fixed up parts in fact work with targeted OS. | Jul 28 17:52 |
| scientes | i am sure they have that too | Jul 28 17:52 |
| scientes | that's what i thought the article was actually | Jul 28 17:53 |
| scientes | about | Jul 28 17:53 |
| scientes | i though it was apple showing off that they ALSO run the windows test suite | Jul 28 17:53 |
| scientes | on their hardware | Jul 28 17:53 |
| scientes | XRevan86, did you go to the parade? | Jul 28 17:58 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You mean the anti-election fraud rally? | Jul 28 17:59 |
| scientes | no, navy day 2019 | Jul 28 17:59 |
| XRevan86 | ah, no | Jul 28 17:59 |
| scientes | oh wow 1400 detained in that parade | Jul 28 18:02 |
| scientes | but that was in moscow | Jul 28 18:02 |
| scientes | *protest | Jul 28 18:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The biggest one yet apparently. | Jul 28 18:03 |
| XRevan86 | And the fraudulence in municipal elections is off the scale. | Jul 28 18:03 |
| XRevan86 | A friend of mine is running for a position in a peripheral district | Jul 28 18:05 |
| XRevan86 | and even he's having a hard time registering | Jul 28 18:05 |
| XRevan86 | CPRF. I've also heard complaints from the Yabloko party. | Jul 28 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | And that's St. Petersburg. It seems in Moscow things are even worse. | Jul 28 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | And Navalny's team… well, I did mention before right after it happened. | Jul 28 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And the state doesn't like that people are trying to show dissatisfaction with their undemocratic illegal activities. | Jul 28 18:10 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, nice doublespeak | Jul 28 18:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Where exactly? | Jul 28 18:13 |
| scientes | "undemocratic illegal activities" | Jul 28 18:13 |
| XRevan86 | Couldn't find better words. | Jul 28 18:14 |
| scientes | yeah but they are protesting, literally, for formal democracy | Jul 28 18:14 |
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| scientes | not that formal democracy is the same thing as democracy however | Jul 28 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I talk about the state doing undemocratic illegal activities | Jul 28 18:14 |
| scientes | ooooo | Jul 28 18:14 |
| scientes | there was a bunch of negatives | Jul 28 18:14 |
| scientes | with their | Jul 28 18:14 |
| scientes | it wasn't clear what "their" was | Jul 28 18:15 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, yeah, there's ambiguity there… | Jul 28 18:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The state considers the protest illegal of course. | Jul 28 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | But I remember from my school classes that the Constitution is supposed to the The Law. | Jul 28 18:16 |
| scientes | but that isn't a class | Jul 28 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | if it contradicts with other laws, it takes precedence | Jul 28 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | The police don't think so, yea | Jul 28 18:17 |
| scientes | but that is a patriotism class | Jul 28 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | or the National Guard | Jul 28 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I suspect that they don't teach that anymore. | Jul 28 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | too many contradictions piled up over the years | Jul 28 18:18 |
| scientes | but i guess the Russian constitution is better, because the supreme court doesn't get to make shit up regarding it | Jul 28 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The United Russia has the right to alter it. | Jul 28 18:19 |
| scientes | and the US court has made rulings that blatantly disregard the constitution in the most literal ways, when it comes to copyright | Jul 28 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | As they have a Constitutional Majority in the State Duma. | Jul 28 18:19 |
| scientes | oh | Jul 28 18:19 |
| scientes | they don't need approval of the Republics? | Jul 28 18:19 |
| scientes | if not, that is kinda bullshit | Jul 28 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | The United Russia can do whatever they want. | Jul 28 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What's the Republics? | Jul 28 18:20 |
| scientes | the Republics of Russia | Jul 28 18:20 |
| scientes | 22 of them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_Russia | Jul 28 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Republics of Russia - Wikipedia | Jul 28 18:20 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't think they do. | Jul 28 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And even if they did, it's just local branches of the United Russia. | Jul 28 18:20 |
| scientes | but they aren't really republics if the constitution can be amended without their input | Jul 28 18:20 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah I know, but I'm talking theoretically | Jul 28 18:21 |
| scientes | it kinda makes the republic claim very hollow | Jul 28 18:21 |
| scientes | Like in Canada, Ottowa insisted on veto power for any constitution | Jul 28 18:22 |
| scientes | which is why it took so long for Canada to get independance | Jul 28 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | I'll read on that. What complicates things is that amendments to different parts of the Constitution require different things. | Jul 28 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | > и вступают в силу после их одобрения органами законодательной власти не менее чем двух третей субъектов Российской Федерации. | Jul 28 18:24 |
| XRevan86 | > они должны быть одобрены двумя третями голосов депутатов Государственной думы и тремя четвертями голосов членов Совета Федерации. (п.2 ст. 108). | Jul 28 18:24 |
| XRevan86 | I guess the idea is that the Federation Council consists of representatives of each federation member. | Jul 28 18:25 |
| XRevan86 | 2/3 of the State Duma and 3/4 of the Federation Council | Jul 28 18:26 |
| scientes | which includes the 22 republics | Jul 28 18:26 |
| scientes | but the republics, even if unified, cannot block it | Jul 28 18:26 |
| scientes | so yeah, pretty weak republics | Jul 28 18:26 |
| XRevan86 | > После этого предложение о внесении конституционных поправок направляется законодательным (представительным) органам субъектов Российской Федерации. В течение года данное предложение должно быть одобрено законодате | Jul 28 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | льными (представительными) органами не менее чем в двух третях субъектов Российской Федерации. После установления результатов рассмотрения Совет Федерации в течение семи дней направляет закон Российской Федерации о по | Jul 28 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | правке к Конституции Российской Федерации Президенту, который в течение четырнадцати дней подписывает и опубликовывает его. | Jul 28 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | 2/3 of federation member councils should approve afterwards. | Jul 28 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | and then the Putin^W President signs it | Jul 28 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | Of course, all this has merit only on a theoretical level. | Jul 28 18:28 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 28 18:29 |
| scientes | and even then, those Republics are super weak | Jul 28 18:29 |
| XRevan86 | United Russia presents the changes, United Russia approves it with United Russia, sends it to United Russia, then United Russia gives it to Putin and Putin finalises it. | Jul 28 18:29 |
| scientes | how United! | Jul 28 18:30 |
| XRevan86 | Not as United as it used to be during the Stalin times, but we're trying. | Jul 28 18:30 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/01/5f6a0929e0bb8c29.mp4 | Jul 28 21:16 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/23/217d260343057a09.mp4 | Jul 28 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A Slitheen cameo at the end. | Jul 28 21:30 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/22/c990da8055097646.jpg | Jul 28 21:49 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/22/f8077240a6c8c21c.mp4 | Jul 28 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows Telemetry is encrypted, so who knows what it's telling Microsoft? | Jul 28 22:33 |
| MinceR | microsoft knows | Jul 28 22:33 |
| MinceR | probably the nsa knows it too | Jul 28 22:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I want to be talked about behind my back in a way I won't understand, I could go to my sister-in-law's house and have her talk to my husband in Tagalog. | Jul 28 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gathering data. Sending it to Microsoft (PRISM member, which means it goes to the government too....) pretty much makes Windows itself malware, and worse, government malware. It can tell the government things about you that they would probably never be able to learn even if a judge gave them a search warrant. | Jul 28 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, if you aren't an American, it's worse, because the US government gets any data Microsoft has, and they probably furnish your own government with the data too, in order to be allowed to do business there. | Jul 28 22:38 |
| MinceR | "pretty much"? | Jul 28 22:38 |
| MinceR | Backdoors10 comes with a keylogger built in | Jul 28 22:38 |
| MinceR | and it "updates" itself without asking you | Jul 28 22:39 |
| MinceR | it even reboots "your" computer to do it, when it feels like | Jul 28 22:39 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/OrNPpRRrLRUimrMypViDbWdG > | Jul 28 22:41 | |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/22/6d74ebe10ed146d2.mp4 | Jul 28 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like development of Firefox is becoming stagnant. | Jul 28 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This release really didn't add any important features and not much new support for web features either. | Jul 28 22:51 |
| MinceR | "is becoming"? | Jul 28 22:52 |
| MinceR | they switched to copying chrome but making it uglier ages ago | Jul 28 22:52 |
| MinceR | then they removed ALSA support because they think they should decide whether i fuck up my audio system with poetteringaudio or not | Jul 28 22:53 |
| MinceR | fuck them | Jul 28 22:53 |
| MinceR | "firefox fights for you", my ass | Jul 28 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The one click option to block coin miners and fingerprinters is nice, but ublock-origin, Canvas Blocker, and Privacy Possum can already do a lot of that. | Jul 28 22:53 |
| MinceR | uMatrix does the rest :> | Jul 28 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do Not Track would be nice if it actually worked, but most sites just ignore it. In fact, by being opt-in it adds another thing that makes you easier to fingerprint because it adds a header that's not normally sent. | Jul 28 22:55 |
| psydroid | the Firefox problem with Poetteringaudio and ALSA has actually affected me too on my ARM SBC to the point that I had to disable Poetteringaudio and then couldn't play any audio in Firefox, so I had to resort to Luakit using ALSA and/or JACK | Jul 28 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: And apulse? | Jul 28 23:21 |
| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/02/a94567e7320b8784.mp4 | Jul 28 23:21 |
| psydroid | XRevan86, I think I tried but didn't get it to work. That's all moot now, because I rebuilt everything to use mainline sources, which don't support HDMI audio at this point in time. | Jul 28 23:23 |
| scientes | psydroid, you too? | Jul 28 23:24 |
| scientes | Lennart Poettering writes good software! | Jul 28 23:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 28 23:24 |
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