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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/rgH8W00.jpeg | Sep 29 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | nice one | Sep 29 02:41 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: next article will link to you... | Sep 29 02:41 |
| XRevan86 | a bit scary :) | Sep 29 02:42 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/freesw-martyrdom/ | Sep 29 02:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Concept of Martyrdom in Free Software and the Threat of Demonisation in the Media | Techrights | Sep 29 02:42 | |
| schestowitz | published 5 secs ago | Sep 29 02:42 |
| schestowitz | in case you find typos or want it atered | Sep 29 02:42 |
| schestowitz | *altered | Sep 29 02:42 |
| schestowitz | have a look | Sep 29 02:42 |
| XRevan86 | > but we certainly relate to what he says | Sep 29 02:43 |
| XRevan86 | relate with? | Sep 29 02:44 |
| schestowitz | I think related to is ok | Sep 29 02:44 |
| schestowitz | or relate to | Sep 29 02:44 |
| schestowitz | sympathise with | Sep 29 02:44 |
| *XRevan86 reads https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/365760 and tries to figure out if his understanding matches up. | Sep 29 02:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-english.stackexchange.com | grammar - When do you use "relate to" versus "relate with"? - English Language & Usage Stack Exchange | Sep 29 02:45 | |
| XRevan86 | Yea, I think I'm wrong :). | Sep 29 02:46 |
| schestowitz | relate to is usually about speech | Sep 29 02:46 |
| schestowitz | or message | Sep 29 02:46 |
| schestowitz | or speech | Sep 29 02:46 |
| schestowitz | or sentiment | Sep 29 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I bought a bunch more last day ribeye and skirt steak. | Sep 29 02:47 |
| XRevan86 | > we must learn to identify those who work for largely corporations | Sep 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart accidentally labeled some of it as last day ground chuck. Didn't notice til I got home. | Sep 29 02:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you read the above? | Sep 29 02:47 |
| schestowitz | I am still editing it | Sep 29 02:47 |
| schestowitz | "largely hostile corporations " | Sep 29 02:48 |
| schestowitz | my bad | Sep 29 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Did you see that article this morning? Eric S. Raymond says the future of Windows at Microsoft is probably some sort of compatibility layer on a Linux-based OS. | Sep 29 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Is he smoking some bad shit, or what do you make of that? | Sep 29 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would make a lot of sense in many ways to just have a Linux host OS with a Windows compatibility system as the "next version of Windows". | Sep 29 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They could shove all of this legacy crap into a lightweight container and have an OS underneath that's actually reliable. | Sep 29 02:50 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't see any other mistakes. | Sep 29 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I think this is pretty far out. | Sep 29 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty clear from the way Windows 10 is going that there is no fixing this. | Sep 29 02:51 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: We discussed that some days ago. | Sep 29 02:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: it could be the future of Backdoors, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything good for the future of Linux | Sep 29 02:52 |
| schestowitz | [02:49] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Did you see that article this morning? Eric S. Raymond says the future of Windows at Microsoft is probably some sort of compatibility layer on a Linux-based OS. | Sep 29 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "work for largely corporations" | Sep 29 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | large? | Sep 29 02:52 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: And I caught that. | Sep 29 02:52 |
| schestowitz | we did a rebuttal: http://techrights.org/2020/09/25/re-last-phase-of-the-desktop-wars/ | Sep 29 02:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Response to Eric Raymond (ESR) on “Last Phase of the Desktop Wars” | Techrights | Sep 29 02:53 | |
| schestowitz | he has not approved any comments yet | Sep 29 02:53 |
| schestowitz | oddly enough, days later... | Sep 29 02:53 |
| schestowitz | as if he's hospitalised again or something.. | Sep 29 02:53 |
| schestowitz | [02:51] <DaemonFC[m]> It's pretty clear from the way Windows 10 is going that there is no fixing this. | Sep 29 02:53 |
| schestowitz | I agree | Sep 29 02:53 |
| schestowitz | see my response | Sep 29 02:53 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: The consensus (and my opinion) is that even if that makes sense, ERS' argument logic makes no sense, pure speculation based on incorrect assumption. | Sep 29 02:54 |
| schestowitz | his article/post got much media coverage | Sep 29 02:54 |
| schestowitz | some of it listed here: | Sep 29 02:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142582#comment-26526 | Sep 29 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 29 02:54 | |
| XRevan86 | * argument's | Sep 29 02:54 |
| schestowitz | I put that under "leftover" because it is esr junk | Sep 29 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I purged firefox from Kubuntu and went with the PPA version of 78 ESR. | Sep 29 02:54 |
| schestowitz | and misleading imho | Sep 29 02:54 |
| schestowitz | not really news or factual | Sep 29 02:54 |
| XRevan86 | * assumptions… jeez | Sep 29 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not really liking these rapid release versions and it's very unprofessional to wade into politics. | Sep 29 02:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: try falkon also | Sep 29 02:54 |
| XRevan86 | * ESR | Sep 29 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, the ESR version doesn't seem to have as many annoyances in general. | Sep 29 02:55 |
| schestowitz | I do almost everything in falkon and qupzilla now | Sep 29 02:55 |
| schestowitz | even blogging | Sep 29 02:55 |
| schestowitz | konqueror for social control media | Sep 29 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Firefox ESR in Debian very rarely, for stubborn and hostile sites | Sep 29 02:55 |
| XRevan86 | This late (or early, before sleep) I need typechecking myself. | Sep 29 02:55 |
| schestowitz | like YouTUbe sometimes | Sep 29 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm switching over to long term support software because I can no longer be bothered to go figure out what happened in a brand new package. | Sep 29 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Usually one that doesn't do anything new that I'm interested in. | Sep 29 02:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Since ESR versions are frozen in time other than fixes for serious bugs and security holes, that theoretically means that there should be less weird problems. | Sep 29 02:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The ESR channel is more like what you would get back before this rapid release shit, but Mozilla discourages people from using it. | Sep 29 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've seen odd things happen with older versions of Gecko because the web is changing so rapidly now, but usually not in the currently supported Gecko ESR. | Sep 29 02:57 |
| schestowitz | obviously | Sep 29 02:57 |
| schestowitz | maybe it will also remove telemetry | Sep 29 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm talking like, you know, when Seamonkey gets 2 ESRs behind. | Sep 29 02:58 |
| schestowitz | or turn it off by default for more things | Sep 29 02:58 |
| schestowitz | Debian isn't just taking crap | Sep 29 02:58 |
| schestowitz | they complained about chromium accessing mics without auth | Sep 29 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, there's no rule afaik that says they can't ship it with non-default preferences. | Sep 29 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And if there is one, then they need to look into just compiling it as iceweasel again and disable some of this at the compile time. | Sep 29 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if they untick telemetry, then it's highly unlikely that a user would go turn it back on, for instance. | Sep 29 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's really how it should be. If the user is okay with that, they should have to turn it on. | Sep 29 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It should be off by default. | Sep 29 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "they complained about chromium a"> I'm just not thrilled with Chromium browsers except Vivaldi. | Sep 29 03:00 |
| schestowitz | they are all prietary | Sep 29 03:00 |
| schestowitz | brave, edge... vivaldi, opera... chrome | Sep 29 03:01 |
| schestowitz | falkon is not | Sep 29 03:01 |
| schestowitz | afaik | Sep 29 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The last place I want all my data being stored is google, especially now that bills are coming up in the Senate to allow cops to go on a fishing expedition without even the trappings of asking a judge for a warrant. | Sep 29 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | afaik? :) | Sep 29 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People should be outraged about this. | Sep 29 03:01 |
| schestowitz | konqueror seems to be using blink or similar | Sep 29 03:01 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: maybe there are blob components somewhere | Sep 29 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Something like Falkon would not have landed in your repos if it weren't FOSS :). | Sep 29 03:01 |
| schestowitz | not that I noticed any drm/eme options | Sep 29 03:01 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: the repos have chromium | Sep 29 03:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't see how such a thing could be legal. The courts have ruled that it's the ISP that owns your data that you've stored there for purposes of a warrant, which is bad, but Google will challenge the warrants sometimes at least. | Sep 29 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: No, even if they wanted, Google would not have let them. | Sep 29 03:02 |
| schestowitz | chromium-browser | Sep 29 03:02 |
| schestowitz | not that I bothered with it | Sep 29 03:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Judges might say "I need more evidence." or "I'm limiting the scope of what you can ask for.". | Sep 29 03:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Senate wants to sweep away even this. | Sep 29 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And it probably lacks widevine too. | Sep 29 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | It definitely doesn't have that bundled, but the distro *could* (unlikely) bundle it in. | Sep 29 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | but even if they do want widevine, it's a separate package | Sep 29 03:03 |
| schestowitz | I never saw it | Sep 29 03:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe I don't visit "bad sites" enough | Sep 29 03:04 |
| schestowitz | never saw tiktok | Sep 29 03:04 |
| schestowitz | or whatsapp | Sep 29 03:04 |
| schestowitz | or netflix | Sep 29 03:04 |
| schestowitz | I read about those things though | Sep 29 03:04 |
| schestowitz | never saw someone using them | Sep 29 03:04 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm saying that chromium from the repos won't have DRM either. | Sep 29 03:04 |
| schestowitz | same for spotify | Sep 29 03:04 |
| schestowitz | spying... maybe DRM also | Sep 29 03:04 |
| schestowitz | I know some people who use it... but never saw it firsthand | Sep 29 03:05 |
| XRevan86 | It's part of Google Chrome, but not Chromium. Literally because proprietary. | Sep 29 03:05 |
| schestowitz | I saw Vista10 a few times | Sep 29 03:05 |
| schestowitz | in stores | Sep 29 03:05 |
| XRevan86 | And unlike Firefox Chromium doesn't have a download mechanism in place, because Google Chrome doesn't need it. | Sep 29 03:05 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: can be remotely activited | Sep 29 03:05 |
| schestowitz | like firmware blobs | Sep 29 03:05 |
| schestowitz | iirc, firefox is the same | Sep 29 03:05 |
| schestowitz | remotely fetching blobs | Sep 29 03:06 |
| schestowitz | even into buster ff esr | Sep 29 03:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Google doesn't care about Chromium. | Sep 29 03:06 |
| schestowitz | (not that I tried) | Sep 29 03:06 |
| schestowitz | eme made them crash and burn some months ago | Sep 29 03:06 |
| XRevan86 | Google Chrome already has the blob, that's what matters to them. | Sep 29 03:06 |
| schestowitz | hope it gave them a good lesson | Sep 29 03:06 |
| schestowitz | I forgot the details | Sep 29 03:06 |
| schestowitz | I think it made users experience crashes | Sep 29 03:06 |
| schestowitz | What does "EME" mean here? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1124007 | Sep 29 03:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1124007 - [EME] Crash in MediaKeySession::SetSessionId() on mse-clearkey in today's Nightly | Sep 29 03:07 | |
| schestowitz | or here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1165163 | Sep 29 03:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1165163 - [EME] Firefox crash in MediaKeySession.remove() if CDM crashes | Sep 29 03:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1615499 | Sep 29 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1615499 - DRM plugin crashes with Firefox 73 | Sep 29 03:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451762 | Sep 29 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1451762 - Inappropriate message "You must enable DRM to play some audio or video on this page" | Sep 29 03:08 | |
| schestowitz | 7 years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=923590 | Sep 29 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 923590 - Pledge never to implement HTML5 DRM | Sep 29 03:08 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: btw, trump battled cdc instead of covid | Sep 29 03:09 |
| schestowitz | mission accomplished | Sep 29 03:09 |
| schestowitz | the crisis is contained | Sep 29 03:09 |
| schestowitz | the media crisis | Sep 29 03:09 |
| schestowitz | not the health crisis | Sep 29 03:09 |
| schestowitz | tillerson called him "fucking moron" | Sep 29 03:09 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions | Sep 29 03:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Encrypted Media Extensions - Wikipedia | Sep 29 03:09 | |
| schestowitz | quite an understatement | Sep 29 03:09 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I know what that is | Sep 29 03:12 |
| schestowitz | more or less | Sep 29 03:12 |
| schestowitz | never really encountered drm | Sep 29 03:12 |
| schestowitz | but heard about it | Sep 29 03:12 |
| schestowitz | actually, maybe I visited a site once that said it's not compatible | Sep 29 03:12 |
| schestowitz | but did not use the term "DRM" or "EME" | Sep 29 03:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It might have been moronic like web.skype.com | Sep 29 03:12 |
| schestowitz | the browsers I use would likely just disregard page elements like these | Sep 29 03:12 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: skype is not like a web page? | Sep 29 03:13 |
| schestowitz | I know they did web-based | Sep 29 03:13 |
| schestowitz | but never saw that | Sep 29 03:13 |
| schestowitz | so I guess they give the browser mic and cam access | Sep 29 03:13 |
| schestowitz | like google hangout | Sep 29 03:13 |
| XRevan86 | I refer to them banning Firefox from the in-browser version. | Sep 29 03:13 |
| schestowitz | "seemed like a good idea at the time..." | Sep 29 03:13 |
| schestowitz | what happens with other tabs in the same application or even process? | Sep 29 03:13 |
| XRevan86 | And the "desktop" version is Electron-based. | Sep 29 03:14 |
| schestowitz | seems like a recipe for buffer overflow disasters | Sep 29 03:14 |
| schestowitz | browser are for rendering stuff | Sep 29 03:14 |
| schestowitz | sgml -> raster | Sep 29 03:14 |
| schestowitz | not for applications | Sep 29 03:14 |
| schestowitz | *browsers | Sep 29 03:14 |
| schestowitz | and phones are for calls | Sep 29 03:15 |
| schestowitz | not for work | Sep 29 03:15 |
| schestowitz | want to work? | Sep 29 03:15 |
| schestowitz | go home | Sep 29 03:15 |
| schestowitz | or go to the office | Sep 29 03:15 |
| schestowitz | proper keyboard and mousing devices there | Sep 29 03:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Still waiting on my ballot. | Sep 29 03:16 |
| schestowitz | browser is not os | Sep 29 03:16 |
| schestowitz | or application layer for the os | Sep 29 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dunno when they dropped it in the mail exactly but expect it'll be here in a day or two. | Sep 29 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not a major disaster if the post office loses it. | Sep 29 03:16 |
| schestowitz | I read about ballot late arrivals | Sep 29 03:16 |
| schestowitz | and late counting | Sep 29 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can still go in person and sign a thing saying I never got it. | Sep 29 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They still let you vote. | Sep 29 03:16 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What if it's not a "phone" but a "communicator"? | Sep 29 03:16 |
| schestowitz | so the nazi can declare victory because anything gets counted | Sep 29 03:16 |
| schestowitz | another bush-gore operandi | Sep 29 03:17 |
| XRevan86 | i.e. PDA | Sep 29 03:18 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: what's the diff? | Sep 29 03:21 |
| schestowitz | phone is that old concept | Sep 29 03:21 |
| schestowitz | mic at bottom | Sep 29 03:21 |
| schestowitz | speaker on top | Sep 29 03:21 |
| schestowitz | you hold it next to the skull | Sep 29 03:21 |
| schestowitz | it didn't use to emit radiation | Sep 29 03:21 |
| schestowitz | except maybe along the wire | Sep 29 03:21 |
| schestowitz | ah, with capital letter | Sep 29 03:21 |
| schestowitz | there was literally a bunch called that | Sep 29 03:22 |
| schestowitz | PDAs are not for calls | Sep 29 03:22 |
| schestowitz | they were more like what they're called | Sep 29 03:22 |
| schestowitz | digital assistants | Sep 29 03:22 |
| schestowitz | note-taking, calculators etc. | Sep 29 03:22 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: But what if they can also do calls? | Sep 29 03:22 |
| schestowitz | the early casio ones... I still have one that my dad gave me ages ago | Sep 29 03:22 |
| schestowitz | and with batteries I think it would still work | Sep 29 03:22 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: only in the mid 2000s | Sep 29 03:23 |
| schestowitz | Palm Trio iirc | Sep 29 03:23 |
| schestowitz | and then moved to Windows for a while, so you knew they'd die soon | Sep 29 03:23 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Treo | Sep 29 03:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Palm Treo - Wikipedia | Sep 29 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | I misspelled it | Sep 29 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | Windows, the burning platform, burns everything it touches. | Sep 29 03:24 |
| schestowitz | PalmOS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treo_650 | Sep 29 03:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Treo 650 - Wikipedia | Sep 29 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | I still use Palm OS | Sep 29 03:24 |
| schestowitz | but rarely | Sep 29 03:24 |
| schestowitz | if I need to take down a note or recording | Sep 29 03:24 |
| schestowitz | debian still has the pilot conversion tools | Sep 29 03:25 |
| schestowitz | so you can turn pdbs into readable text and audio into wav files | Sep 29 03:25 |
| schestowitz | https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/1-pilot-wav/ | Sep 29 03:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.systutorials.com | pilot-wav: Decodes Palm Voice Memo files to wav files you can read on your desktop - Linux Man Pages (1) | Sep 29 03:26 | |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: DaemonFC[m]: http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/interest-groups-for-profit/ | Sep 29 03:39 |
| schestowitz | may be typos | Sep 29 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Running Public (or Private) Interest Groups for Profit | Techrights | Sep 29 03:39 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: In the one paragraph or in the Among Us bit? | Sep 29 03:45 |
| schestowitz | everything | Sep 29 03:47 |
| schestowitz | well, it is short | Sep 29 03:47 |
| schestowitz | I saw the above 'news' (PR) in my rss feeds | Sep 29 03:47 |
| schestowitz | the response is a simple one | Sep 29 03:47 |
| schestowitz | and in a meme it works better | Sep 29 03:47 |
| schestowitz | Even Russia/Putin would love Google | Sep 29 03:48 |
| schestowitz | provided the data is available to the RUssia gov. and that gov. only | Sep 29 03:48 |
| schestowitz | so they can spy on their own citizen | Sep 29 03:48 |
| schestowitz | "survey" them | Sep 29 03:48 |
| schestowitz | or surveil | Sep 29 03:48 |
| schestowitz | without other countries having access to this same data | Sep 29 03:48 |
| schestowitz | Trump is trying this with tiktok | Sep 29 03:48 |
| schestowitz | but it only emboldens china/cpc to do the same | Sep 29 03:49 |
| schestowitz | so you end up with fights over data territorialism | Sep 29 03:49 |
| schestowitz | who controls who by blackmail | Sep 29 03:49 |
| schestowitz | using data/info | Sep 29 03:49 |
| schestowitz | it's laughable | Sep 29 03:49 |
| schestowitz | we just need universal privacy | Sep 29 03:49 |
| schestowitz | not a war over who accesses what | Sep 29 03:49 |
| schestowitz | Putler raided Navalny's apartment | Sep 29 03:50 |
| schestowitz | while he was in Germany | Sep 29 03:50 |
| schestowitz | obviously fishing for something to frame him with | Sep 29 03:50 |
| schestowitz | like they planted 'drugs' in the home (or bag) of Golonov | Sep 29 03:50 |
| schestowitz | spelling wrong | Sep 29 03:50 |
| schestowitz | "u" somewhere | Sep 29 03:51 |
| schestowitz | you know a regime is aware its downfall is imminent | Sep 29 03:51 |
| schestowitz | when it does shit like this.. | Sep 29 03:51 |
| schestowitz | trying to take down people who expose the mobsters | Sep 29 03:51 |
| schestowitz | oligarchs | Sep 29 03:51 |
| schestowitz | war crimes | Sep 29 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Assange trial in the UK | Sep 29 03:51 |
| schestowitz | outcome next year | Sep 29 03:51 |
| schestowitz | they keep postponing until he's just dead or insane, clinically | Sep 29 03:52 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Almost a decade passed since Putin realised the mortality of his regime. It's inevitable, so the question becomes how long they can drag this out. | Sep 29 03:55 |
| schestowitz | True for every regime | Sep 29 03:55 |
| schestowitz | china started banning a letter | Sep 29 03:56 |
| schestowitz | not just words | Sep 29 03:56 |
| schestowitz | or images | Sep 29 03:56 |
| schestowitz | so you know their inner intel tells them people speaking to one another would trigger "chinese spring" | Sep 29 03:56 |
| schestowitz | cpc made china a funny bizarro-land | Sep 29 03:56 |
| schestowitz | where merely saying a factual thing gets your arrested | Sep 29 03:57 |
| schestowitz | or 'disappeared | Sep 29 03:57 |
| schestowitz | even celebs | Sep 29 03:57 |
| schestowitz | or your home raided | Sep 29 03:57 |
| schestowitz | lots of examples to that effect, I've lost count, and those are the ones we KNOW OF (there are many which they cover up successfully and so we'll never know about them until a break-in like the COINTELPRO one) | Sep 29 03:57 |
| schestowitz | or successive gov. bringing out the document, post-Stati style | Sep 29 03:58 |
| schestowitz | Stasi | Sep 29 03:58 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: When was it raided? I only heard that his flat was arrested. | Sep 29 03:58 |
| schestowitz | flat arrested? | Sep 29 03:59 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: yes | Sep 29 03:59 |
| schestowitz | they'd need pretty big cuffs for a whole apartment | Sep 29 03:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/anti-putin-activist-forcibly-drafted-and-sent-arctic-base-doc-1nb04p3">Anti-Putin activist | Sep 29 03:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The news hub | AFP.com | Sep 29 03:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/anti-putin-activist-forcibly-drafted-and-sent-arctic-base-doc-1nb04p3 | Sep 29 03:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/alexei-navalny-moscow-flat-seized-as-recovered-from-poisoning | Sep 29 04:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Alexei Navalny's Moscow flat seized as he recovered from poisoning | World news | The Guardian | Sep 29 04:00 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Sorry for the calque, I mean seizure | Sep 29 04:00 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54284945 | Sep 29 04:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alexei Navalny has 'bank accounts frozen and flat seized' - BBC News | Sep 29 04:00 | |
| schestowitz | seems like a pattern | Sep 29 04:00 |
| schestowitz | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/24/authorities-seize-navalnys-moscow-flat-ahead-return-russia/ | Sep 29 04:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Authorities seize Navalny’s Moscow flat ahead of his return to Russia | Sep 29 04:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-alexei-navalny-coma-poisoning-putin-b598222.html | Sep 29 04:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Alexei Navalny’s Moscow flat seized by Russians ‘while he was still in a coma’ | The Independent | Sep 29 04:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://meduza.io/en/news/2020/09/24/court-marshals-seize-alexey-navalny-s-moscow-apartment | Sep 29 04:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Sep 29 04:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.dw.com/en/russian-bailiffs-move-on-navalnys-flat-assets-spokeswoman/a-55044441 | Sep 29 04:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russian bailiffs move on Navalny′s flat, assets — spokeswoman | News | DW | 24.09.2020 | Sep 29 04:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/09/24/russia-seizes-kremlin-critic-navalnys-apartment-a71542 | Sep 29 04:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themoscowtimes.com | Russia Seizes Kremlin Critic Navalny’s Apartment - The Moscow Times | Sep 29 04:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/13176-navalny-s-moscow-apartment-confiscated-in-favor-of-putin-s-chef | Sep 29 04:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.occrp.org | Navalny’s Moscow Apartment Confiscated in Favor of “Putin’s Chef” | Sep 29 04:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/9/24/kremlin-critic-navalnys-bank-accounts-frozen-apartment-seized | Sep 29 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | Kremlin critic Navalny’s ‘bank accounts frozen, apartment seized’ | Russia | Al Jazeera | Sep 29 04:02 | |
| schestowitz | covered even more widely that I thought | Sep 29 04:02 |
| schestowitz | in many nations | Sep 29 04:02 |
| schestowitz | in English and other langs | Sep 29 04:02 |
| schestowitz | which I omit | Sep 29 04:02 |
| schestowitz | "Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny said Wednesday that one of his allies had been forcibly conscripted and sent to serve at a remote Arctic base, in a move his supporters said amounted to kidnapping." | Sep 29 04:02 |
| schestowitz | "uslan Shaveddinov, a project manager at Navalny's anti-corruption foundation, went missing Monday after police broke into his Moscow flat and his phone's SIM card was disabled. " | Sep 29 04:02 |
| schestowitz | -AFP | Sep 29 04:02 |
| XRevan86 | Navalny has enormous debt to Prigozhin | Sep 29 04:03 |
| schestowitz | ttps://www.afp.com/en/news/15/anti-putin-activist-forcibly-drafted-and-sent-arctic-base-doc-1nb04p3 | Sep 29 04:03 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: debt of gratitude? :-) | Sep 29 04:03 |
| XRevan86 | Because FBK reported that his company poisoned school pupils in Moscow. | Sep 29 04:03 |
| schestowitz | seems possible it's a ruse | Sep 29 04:05 |
| schestowitz | and Assange assaulted women or something.. | Sep 29 04:05 |
| XRevan86 | and he somehow managed to make a "loss of profit" case out of it, even though the court also ruled that poisoning took place | Sep 29 04:05 |
| XRevan86 | and the company also had to pay a compensation to the parents that went to court | Sep 29 04:06 |
| XRevan86 | I don't actually remember how much, just that it was a much smaller amount, because that's ironic as heck | Sep 29 04:07 |
| schestowitz | https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/04/murr-m04.html | Sep 29 04:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Scotland: Journalist Craig Murray charged with contempt of court over Alex Salmond trial - World Socialist Web Site | Sep 29 04:07 | |
| XRevan86 | Prigozhin also just recently bought the debt from the company so Navalny owes him directly. I am not sure why. | Sep 29 04:08 |
| schestowitz | https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/08/the-alex-salmond-fit-up/ | Sep 29 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | The Alex Salmond Fit-Up - Craig Murray | Sep 29 04:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/craigmurrayorg/status/1082612233878863873?lang=en | Sep 29 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CraigMurrayOrg: Alex Salmond has today cleared his name. But having lost an effort to keep key emails out of court, the Scottish Go… https://t.co/EmdUjkCikT | Sep 29 04:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CraigMurrayOrg: Alex Salmond has today cleared his name. But having lost an effort to keep key emails out of court, the Scottish Go… https://t.co/EmdUjkCikT | Sep 29 04:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://leftfootforward.org/2020/03/what-alex-salmonds-acquittal-means-for-scottish-politics/ | Sep 29 04:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-leftfootforward.org | What Alex Salmond’s attempted rape acquittal means for Scottish politics | Left Foot Forward | Sep 29 04:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 29 04:11 |
| schestowitz | The verdict saw Scotland’s former First Minister being acquitted of 13 charges including sexual assault, indecent result and attempted rape. | Sep 29 04:11 |
| schestowitz | Speaking to journalists outside the court, Salmond was somewhat less triumphant and more muted than may have been expected, citing the coronavirus “nightmare” as a reason for brevity. | Sep 29 04:11 |
| schestowitz | The verdict, which followed a two week legal case, will have social and political implications that extend beyond the court room. Within minutes of the result there were statements of support from various SNP MPs and MSPs. | Sep 29 04:11 |
| schestowitz | Joanna Cherry MP published a statement that called for Salmond to be re-admitted into the SNP, which he resigned from in 2018 to pursue the case, and an independent inquiry into how the party had handled the allegations. | Sep 29 04:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 29 04:11 |
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| schestowitz | lots of ad hominem against Murray on the media | Sep 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz | to suppress public support | Sep 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz | like claims he bought a "mansion" | Sep 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz | then asked for donations | Sep 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz | because they try to make him go broke | Sep 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz | by stopping those donors | Sep 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz | lots of other ad hominem | Sep 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz | he blew the whistle on UK torture | Sep 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz | then they painted him as a drunk pervert | Sep 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz | or incompetent and the like... | Sep 29 04:20 |
| schestowitz | so typical | Sep 29 04:20 |
| schestowitz | no wonder he supports Assange... same tactics used by states against both of them | Sep 29 04:20 |
| schestowitz | truly nasty, military-grade tactics | Sep 29 04:20 |
| schestowitz | even lawsutis | Sep 29 04:20 |
| schestowitz | to drain them out of money | Sep 29 04:20 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: you can see what I mean in relation to Navalny | Sep 29 04:22 |
| schestowitz | they painted Corbyn as anti-Jews | Sep 29 04:22 |
| schestowitz | and Corbyn as anti-women | Sep 29 04:22 |
| schestowitz | those things work in anti-facts platforms like social control media | Sep 29 04:22 |
| schestowitz | hard to sue those who spread defamatory messages | Sep 29 04:22 |
| schestowitz | and easy to game these platform to spread the libel | Sep 29 04:22 |
| schestowitz | even using bots alone | Sep 29 04:22 |
| schestowitz | But... | Sep 29 04:24 |
| schestowitz | Navalny "poisons the kids" | Sep 29 04:24 |
| schestowitz | so don't listen to him | Sep 29 04:24 |
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| schestowitz | "All that searching yesterday really poisoned Youtube for me. Now it's recommending all kinds of stuff by Bill's fanbois and shills." -Anon | Sep 29 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Gates sponsors videos there | Sep 29 09:49 |
| schestowitz | I saw it | Sep 29 09:49 |
| schestowitz | "recommended" | Sep 29 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Gates puff pieces | Sep 29 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Google profits from laundering the reputation of criminals. | Sep 29 09:50 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Prigozhin poisoned the kids, Navalny made accusations against a nobleman (that court supported but whatever). | Sep 29 11:36 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/yaD1heP.jpeg | Sep 29 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: XRevan86 can you read something with me re "master"? | Sep 29 13:52 |
| schestowitz | to check no mistakes or bad language? | Sep 29 13:52 |
| schestowitz | that can upset the super-sensitive | Sep 29 13:52 |
| MinceR | i can try, but i'm not sensitive | Sep 29 13:52 |
| schestowitz | IBM Fought for ‘Master Race’ and Now It’s Banning the Word ‘Master’ | Sep 29 13:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe that's a good thing | Sep 29 13:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe I am blind to my own biases | Sep 29 13:52 |
| schestowitz | OK, I will publish first, promote later | Sep 29 13:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: read through it now http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/ | Sep 29 13:53 |
| schestowitz | maybe XRevan86 also | Sep 29 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Fought for ‘Master Race’ and Now It’s Banning the Word ‘Master’ | Techrights | Sep 29 13:53 | |
| schestowitz | I worry some people will paint that as an attack on some grou | Sep 29 13:53 |
| schestowitz | without even reading the whole thing | Sep 29 13:53 |
| schestowitz | which took hours to prepare | Sep 29 13:53 |
| MinceR | crybullies don't need much of an excuse | Sep 29 13:54 |
| MinceR | remember, they attacked 'master' even outside 'master/slave' relations | Sep 29 13:54 |
| schestowitz | that's what this is about | Sep 29 13:54 |
| schestowitz | have a read | Sep 29 13:54 |
| schestowitz | report typos while at it ;-) | Sep 29 13:54 |
| MinceR | "international bullshit machine" -- nice, i'm stealing that | Sep 29 13:55 |
| MinceR | i'd make it clearer that "then IBM" and "soon IBM" means ibm buying hedrat | Sep 29 13:56 |
| schestowitz | true | Sep 29 13:57 |
| schestowitz | corrected | Sep 29 13:57 |
| MinceR | i like the BDSM example as well | Sep 29 14:05 |
| schestowitz | the fringe groups don't like "master | Sep 29 14:09 |
| schestowitz | but they also dislike many other fringe groups | Sep 29 14:09 |
| schestowitz | "my fringe is ok" | Sep 29 14:09 |
| schestowitz | "not this other one" | Sep 29 14:09 |
| MinceR | TERF & co :> | Sep 29 14:12 |
| MinceR | "Langauge control" -> "Language control" | Sep 29 14:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Boba Fett is Russian, got it. | Sep 29 14:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 29 14:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: corrected | Sep 29 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Wait, those are Mandalorians | Sep 29 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | * Mandalorians are Russian, got it. | Sep 29 14:15 |
| MinceR | i think the point of there being no successors to Guido was that he thinks the project doesn't _need_ a BDFL anymore | Sep 29 14:15 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: you wish | Sep 29 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Step #1: сыр/макароны/консервы соки/вода Step #2: Mandalorians | Sep 29 14:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 29 14:16 |
| MinceR | more like Step #2: ??? Step #3: Mandalorians | Sep 29 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes :) | Sep 29 14:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not sure the status before he left | Sep 29 14:17 |
| schestowitz | but he soon left his employer also | Sep 29 14:17 |
| schestowitz | dropbox | Sep 29 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The way I observed the situation, they didn't start it, they were merely the first to jump on the bandwagon. | Sep 29 14:18 |
| XRevan86 | at least when talking specifically about "master" and not "master/slave" (distinct issues) | Sep 29 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | > This was weeks after the creator of Python surprisingly resigned. | Sep 29 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | Guido said that he got tired of the controversy around the walrus operator, when resigning. | Sep 29 14:21 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe it was more of a joint effort of all the pressure, but who knows. | Sep 29 14:22 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: also, i'm not sure of "pp." is correct when referring to a single page | Sep 29 14:22 |
| XRevan86 | > So they’re starting to take control of language further and further. | Sep 29 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe better "take control of speech more and more" | Sep 29 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe you mean it like "take it further", but I don't think it works with "take control". | Sep 29 14:25 |
| scientes | I am the eggman, i am the walrus | Sep 29 14:26 |
| scientes | that controversy? | Sep 29 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No a language-related controversy :) | Sep 29 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | just that there was a lot of beef about whether Python even need it in the first place | Sep 29 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | needs | Sep 29 14:27 |
| scientes | the way python does unicode is franky insane | Sep 29 14:27 |
| scientes | in python3 | Sep 29 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | It's used in cases when in C one would write "while ((var = proc())) {" | Sep 29 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's… relevant. | Sep 29 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | > Guido van Rossum himself wrote (weeks earlier): “Now that PEP 572 is done, I don’t ever want to have to fight so hard for a PEP and find that so many people despise my decisions.” | Sep 29 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | Yep, that's the one. How is that quote related to the topic at hand though? | Sep 29 14:29 |
| scientes | basicallu i dont' write python | Sep 29 14:30 |
| scientes | although I know it is popular | Sep 29 14:30 |
| scientes | basically just a C person | Sep 29 14:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So me making a C example was appreaciated? :) | Sep 29 14:30 |
| scientes | I think C can be improved to be as usable as the slow languages | Sep 29 14:30 |
| XRevan86 | → "while var := proc():" | Sep 29 14:31 |
| scientes | it would be amazing to get rid of macros by using the way zig does it | Sep 29 14:32 |
| scientes | with compile-time execution | Sep 29 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So like C++ does it? | Sep 29 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | constexpr | Sep 29 14:32 |
| scientes | the need of macros that is | Sep 29 14:32 |
| scientes | no, that's messy as fuck | Sep 29 14:32 |
| scientes | we had like 200 functions with the same name using constexpr | Sep 29 14:33 |
| MinceR | 29 153052 < scientes> I think C can be improved to be as usable as the slow languages | Sep 29 14:33 |
| MinceR | yes, for example by transpiling scheme to C :> | Sep 29 14:33 |
| MinceR | chicken scheme does that :> | Sep 29 14:33 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i couldn't find anything triggering it, but again, i'm not the best person to look for those :> | Sep 29 14:34 |
| XRevan86 | > seeing pointless controversies being floated at the time | Sep 29 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | afloat? | Sep 29 14:35 |
| scientes | kamakazi | Sep 29 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | > IBM keeps pushing this eliminating of words | Sep 29 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | elimination | Sep 29 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | > I’ve always wondered about the timing of Guido van Rossum’s sudden resignation | Sep 29 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | > historically it profited a lot from “master race” agenda | Sep 29 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | I'd put "the" here. | Sep 29 14:37 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://imgur.com/gallery/yVS9R1v | Sep 29 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Simba pics - Album on Imgur | Sep 29 14:39 | |
| XRevan86 | > How very tolerant a company. | Sep 29 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | What/Such a tolerant company. How very tolerant of them. | Sep 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: ^ | Sep 29 14:47 |
| schestowitz | they changed their tune since you gave them HELL (not DELL) in 2016 | Sep 29 14:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I thought this about (pp.) | Sep 29 14:48 |
| schestowitz | should we change to p. for singles? | Sep 29 14:48 |
| MinceR | i think so | Sep 29 14:48 |
| *XRevan86 concurs. | Sep 29 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | [14:30] <XRevan86> Yep, that's the one. How is that quote related to the topic at hand though? | Sep 29 14:49 |
| schestowitz | he was pissed off | Sep 29 14:49 |
| schestowitz | maybe stupid controversies were pushed | Sep 29 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | About a different thing. | Sep 29 14:49 |
| schestowitz | knowing they would cause chaos | Sep 29 14:49 |
| schestowitz | maybe even by intention | Sep 29 14:49 |
| schestowitz | [14:35] <XRevan86> afloat? | Sep 29 14:50 |
| schestowitz | if we remove "being" | Sep 29 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | Which is even understandable as something like introducing a new operator will indeed stir a lot of controversy in a programming language designed to be simple and easy to understand. | Sep 29 14:50 |
| MinceR | they should have used lisp syntax | Sep 29 14:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: changed "pp" to "page' for singles | Sep 29 14:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 14:51 |
| schestowitz | [14:37] <XRevan86> I'd put "the" here. | Sep 29 14:51 |
| schestowitz | ok | Sep 29 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I've finalised the article now | Sep 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | it'll be useful to link to in the future | Sep 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | any time IBM liars push this agenda | Sep 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | and it'll shut them up for sure | Sep 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | they don't want to utter a word about THAT aspect of their paymaster | Sep 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | oh shit | Sep 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | pay-main | Sep 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | sorry | Sep 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates Deposition Audio and Video | Sep 29 15:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=GatesDepo | Sep 29 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Gates Deposition Audio and Video | Sep 29 15:00 | |
| schestowitz | page with broken links | Sep 29 15:00 |
| schestowitz | we're going to host these videos | Sep 29 15:00 |
| schestowitz | the ogg versions | Sep 29 15:00 |
| schestowitz | if all goes as planned | Sep 29 15:00 |
| MinceR | it won't shut them up | Sep 29 15:01 |
| MinceR | they'll just take a book from the microsuck book | Sep 29 15:01 |
| MinceR | "but that happened long ago, we're totally different now!" | Sep 29 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | well, their pay-main will discourage even bringing it up | Sep 29 15:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: see if you can spot typos in http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/lame-words/ | Sep 29 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] It’s Crazy Not to Eliminate Lame Words That Might Offend Somebody | Techrights | Sep 29 15:12 | |
| schestowitz | published 10 secs ago | Sep 29 15:12 |
| MinceR | i haven't spotted any | Sep 29 15:13 |
| schestowitz | cheers! | Sep 29 15:14 |
| schestowitz | I've just added "This entire debate is rather silly" | Sep 29 15:15 |
| schestowitz | shit | Sep 29 15:15 |
| schestowitz | coc violation? | Sep 29 15:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 29 15:16 |
| MinceR | everything is a CoC violation if International Bullshit Machine or microshit wants it to be | Sep 29 15:17 |
| schestowitz | "develop decent code with sanity checks" | Sep 29 15:17 |
| schestowitz | I added that bit | Sep 29 15:17 |
| schestowitz | apparently that's offensive to some | Sep 29 15:17 |
| schestowitz | this is really crazy | Sep 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz | aside from the word | Sep 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz | because those words are really innocent | Sep 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz | we used all of them a lot in university | Sep 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz | even professors | Sep 29 15:19 |
| schestowitz | all the time | Sep 29 15:19 |
| schestowitz | so what now? | Sep 29 15:19 |
| schestowitz | people will file complaints over CS Lecturers saying "add sanity check"? | Sep 29 15:19 |
| schestowitz | my professor/supervisor used the term a lot | Sep 29 15:19 |
| schestowitz | it's merely an analogy of sorts | Sep 29 15:19 |
| schestowitz | some people are too lame to grasp analogies? | Sep 29 15:19 |
| schestowitz | this is why I suspect part of it is provocation and trolling | Sep 29 15:20 |
| MinceR | part of it is increasing corporate control | Sep 29 15:20 |
| schestowitz | who by? corporations? people looking to oust existing leadership by annoying them? | Sep 29 15:20 |
| schestowitz | corporations are so polite | Sep 29 15:20 |
| schestowitz | they only bomb people | Sep 29 15:20 |
| MinceR | "well, if you don't do what our management wants you to do then you're racist!" | Sep 29 15:20 |
| schestowitz | why can't ordinary people buy shells? | Sep 29 15:20 |
| schestowitz | and drop half a tonne bombs from planes? | Sep 29 15:20 |
| schestowitz | like polite companies.. | Sep 29 15:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: doesn't work when you are all white | Sep 29 15:21 |
| schestowitz | for such cases you use another angle | Sep 29 15:21 |
| schestowitz | "you're too tall, man" | Sep 29 15:21 |
| MinceR | yeah, then it becomes "you're sexist" or "you're ableist" | Sep 29 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Simon Phipps OSI mocked them | Sep 29 15:21 |
| schestowitz | calling FOsS people aspergic or similiar | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | insult at RMS | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | but OSI co-founder has a disability too | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | maybe both of them | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | ESR looks a like like mongoloids | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | and Perens has Palsy or something | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | S | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Phipps thinks he's "master race" | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | but he ruined OSI by putting people in there not for trust or qualfications | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | and look at this shithole now | Sep 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | truly sad | Sep 29 15:23 |
| schestowitz | a bunch of no-nothings with barely any history in FOSS | Sep 29 15:23 |
| schestowitz | some employed by anti-FOSS companies | Sep 29 15:23 |
| schestowitz | they do photo ops to show it's not all male | Sep 29 15:23 |
| schestowitz | like I care | Sep 29 15:23 |
| schestowitz | I care about what they think of FOsS | Sep 29 15:23 |
| schestowitz | doesn't matter to me their colour or genitals | Sep 29 15:23 |
| schestowitz | they can have neither for all I care | Sep 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz | but they need to guard FOSS | Sep 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz | from people looking to disrupt it | Sep 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz | they're too weak to confront the foes | Sep 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz | as they have little credibility of their own | Sep 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz | they'll sit there smiling, counting money from "sponsors" | Sep 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "Open source won... coz OSI got money... from Microsoft" | Sep 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "yay!" | Sep 29 15:24 |
| zoobab | I organized a conference with ESR back in the late nineties | Sep 29 15:30 |
| schestowitz | ha | Sep 29 15:41 |
| schestowitz | wait for next post | Sep 29 15:41 |
| schestowitz | esr in it | Sep 29 15:41 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: here: http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/zdnet-being-zdnet/ | Sep 29 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Another Day of ZDNet Being ZDNet, Calling Windows “Linux” (to Confuse People and Help Microsoft Sell Vista 10) | Techrights | Sep 29 15:44 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: typos? | Sep 29 15:44 |
| MinceR | none spotted in http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/zdnet-being-zdnet/ | Sep 29 15:45 |
| schestowitz | anti-linux site and not even hiding it. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet | Sep 29 15:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights | Sep 29 15:48 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Someone pinged me last night maybe? | Sep 29 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think I accidentally might have taken my medication twice. | Sep 29 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy woke me up this morning in the middle of a nightmare and I accidentally punched myself in the face somehow. That's going to leave a bruise. | Sep 29 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose in addition to the pill reminder, I should have my phone go off at the time I usually take my pills. | Sep 29 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'd say that Firefox will no doubt go completely off the rails from the layoffs. | Sep 29 18:36 |
| MinceR | it hasn't? | Sep 29 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Important work desperately needed to keep the browser relevant will go undone. WebRender was already proceeding too slowly. | Sep 29 18:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | No ballot in the mail today according to the scans. | Sep 29 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the post office was sure to get me more bankruptcy spam. | Sep 29 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: This one is designed to look like a COVID-19 relief check and when you open it up it's a used car ad. | Sep 29 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It looks like the post office is taking up to a week to get me mail first class now judging by the postmarks. | Sep 29 18:43 |
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| MinceR | https://www.reddit.com/r/softwaregore/comments/ioon7a/no_edge_is_actually_not_there/ | Sep 29 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | No, Edge is actually not there : softwaregore | Sep 29 19:22 | |
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| scientes | MinceR, its pointing to the edge | Sep 29 20:19 |
| scientes | of the icons | Sep 29 20:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 29 20:22 |
| Narrator | https://www.geekwire.com/2020/azure-orbital-launches-microsoft-cloud-computing-space-race-amazon/ | Sep 29 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekwire.com | Microsoft Azure Orbital joins cloud space race with AWS | Sep 29 20:23 | |
| MinceR | https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/008/567/71d.jpg_large | Sep 29 20:23 |
| Narrator | regarding the .. edge ... ;-) | Sep 29 20:23 |
| scientes | XRevan86, As an alternative solution, Zhirinovsky also suggested annexing both Armenia and Azerbaijan into the Russian Federation. | Sep 29 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm not even going to bother. | Sep 29 20:36 |
| scientes | exactly | Sep 29 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | informational noise | Sep 29 20:37 |
| scientes | i pasted it here because it was so over the top | Sep 29 20:37 |
| scientes | its like you mentioning claims that the US is trying to give russian cancer or some non-sense like that | Sep 29 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | It is telling of what people sit in the Duma. | Sep 29 20:38 |
| scientes | yes | Sep 29 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | Yevgeny Fedorov is still on top of the freak chain. | Sep 29 20:39 |
| scientes | do they make off-hand comments like that about Ukraine and Belarus? | Sep 29 20:41 |
| scientes | its like those two tiny islands near Japan | Sep 29 20:42 |
| scientes | and the fear of stupid nationalist press prevents the very real accomplishment of a Russia-Japan peace deal | Sep 29 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: They make every off-hand comment. | Sep 29 20:43 |
| scientes | and also the idea that US military bases would be put on them is also pretty silly | Sep 29 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | If you can think of an off-hand comment, it's done. | Sep 29 20:43 |
| scientes | at the least Hakkaido is much closer to Vladivostok | Sep 29 20:43 |
| scientes | than those tiny islands | Sep 29 20:43 |
| scientes | I guess I was doing a little of that recently | Sep 29 20:44 |
| scientes | I am worried about all the chinese activity in Nepal giving them power to flood the ganges | Sep 29 20:45 |
| scientes | of course I know nothing of this, but I wish I could get a competent overview of the situation | Sep 29 20:54 |
| Narrator | well, chinese are helpful | Sep 29 20:58 |
| scientes | they also bugged the african UN building | Sep 29 20:59 |
| scientes | so I wouldn't put it above them to build in a kill-switch into a hydro-electric damn | Sep 29 21:00 |
| Narrator | probably they don't need to do that | Sep 29 21:01 |
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| scientes | MinceR, ? | Sep 29 21:46 |
| scientes | the first is an actual picture of vienna, right? | Sep 29 21:46 |
| MinceR | probably | Sep 29 21:47 |
| scientes | so how is the one from a video game "reality"? | Sep 29 21:47 |
| MinceR | twitler claimed austrians live in forest cities and have exploding trees | Sep 29 21:48 |
| MinceR | https://www.politicususa.com/2020/09/15/trump-goes-into-nonsensical-rant-about-european-forest-cities-when-asked-how-to-react-to-climate-change.html | Sep 29 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politicususa.com | Trump Goes Into Nonsensical Rant About European "Forest Cities" When Asked How to React to Climate Change | Sep 29 21:48 | |
| Chaekyung | >And they don’t have fires like this and they have more explosive trees. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| Chaekyung | >more explosive trees. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| Chaekyung | >explosive trees. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| Chaekyung | >explosive | Sep 29 21:52 |
| Chaekyung | >trees. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| *Chaekyung understands | Sep 29 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | [18:30] <DaemonFC[m]> Someone pinged me last night maybe? | Sep 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | yes | Sep 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [18:36] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I'd say that Firefox will no doubt go completely off the rails from the layoffs. | Sep 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | doesn't look too good, does it? | Sep 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | I pinged you re Lenovo | Sep 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [14:46] [Notice] -viera to #techrights- Tux Machines: More Lenovo With GNU/Linux Preloaded http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142459#comment-26532 [https://pleroma.site/objects/be399c64-a426-42c6-8311-1250def7df04] | Sep 29 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo Launches ThinkPad and ThinkStation PCs with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS | Tux Machines | Sep 29 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | [14:46] <schestowitz> DaemonFC[m]: ^ | Sep 29 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Sep 29 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | [14:47] <schestowitz> they changed their tune since you gave them HELL (not DELL) in 2016 | Sep 29 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | [18:32] <DaemonFC[m]> Mandy woke me up this morning in the middle of a nightmare and I accidentally punched myself in the face somehow. That's going to leave a bruise. | Sep 29 22:13 |
| schestowitz | epitaph: survived covid, punched himself to death | Sep 29 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | > "Are you interested in learning more about Emb(race) and IBM's | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > initiative to eradicate racist IT terminology?" - IBM | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > From eradicating the Jews to "eradicating" language isn't that much of a | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > political shift for these guys. There was a lot of book-burning by their | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > "clients" in those days. | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > The goal isn't to help IT, but to gain control of IT. Ultimately they | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > are gaining control of free software, so it won't be free. Controlling | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > IT terms to enslave users-- that sounds a lot more like IBM than it | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > sounds like fighting for social justice. | Sep 29 22:44 |
| Chaekyung | there's orange man bad vs senile man debate live later tonight. | Sep 29 22:45 |
| Chaekyung | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUgGVW4NgQk it'll be there but its not begun yet | Sep 29 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-🔴WATCH LIVE: First 2020 Presidential Debate LIVE Coverage- Trump vs. Biden - YouTube | Sep 29 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | >> While common expressions like “sold down the river” and “blackmail” | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > are clear and demeaning vestiges of our historical connection to | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > enslavement, other common terms may not jump out as readily. But they | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > too demand eradication. | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > This is so fucking stupid... also their use of "eradication" is sheer | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > hypocrisy. It readily calls up the "eradication" of races IBM themselves | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > were involved in. This is such a troll! | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > "Blackmail" indeed: | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | >> Blackmail was originally a term from the Scottish Borders | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Borders> meaning payments | Sep 29 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Scottish Borders - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | > rendered in exchange for protection from thieves and marauders.^[3] | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#cite_note-merriam-webster.com-3>[7] | Sep 29 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blackmail - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#cite_note-West-7>[10] | Sep 29 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blackmail - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#cite_note-10> The "mail" part | Sep 29 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blackmail - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | > of blackmail derives from Middle English /male/ meaning "rent or | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > tribute".^[11] | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#cite_note-Daily_Writing_Tips-11> This | Sep 29 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blackmail - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | > tribute (male or /reditus/) was paid in goods or labour ("nigri"); hence | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > /reditus nigri/, or "blackmail". Alternatively, it may be derived from | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > two Scottish Gaelic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic> | Sep 29 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Scottish Gaelic - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | > words /blathaich/ - to protect; and /mal/ - tribute or | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > payment.^[/citation needed | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed>/] | Sep 29 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Wikipedia:Citation needed - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail | Sep 29 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blackmail - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > Patent Troll: companies using stupid patent claims for things they | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > didn't invent, trying to control (and blackmail) others | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > Copyright Troll: companies using stupid copyright claims for things they | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > didn't create, trying to control (and blackmail) others | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > What kind of trolls do we trying to control (CON Troll) people now? PC | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > Trolls? Great! This is the pinnacle of "civilisation" right here-- | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | > abject, rampant fucking stupidity. Slavemasters pretending they hate | Sep 29 22:47 |
| schestowitz | > term "Master" and "Slave"-- not unlike the RIAA pretending to give a | Sep 29 22:47 |
| schestowitz | > shit about artists, when all they do is exploit them. | Sep 29 22:47 |
| schestowitz | > In /R v Hadjou/ (1989),^[40] | Sep 29 22:47 |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#cite_note-40> Lord Lane | Sep 29 22:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blackmail - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:47 | |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Lane> CJ said that blackmail is one | Sep 29 22:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Geoffrey Lane, Baron Lane - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:47 | |
| schestowitz | > of the ugliest and most vicious crimes because it often involves what he | Sep 29 22:47 |
| schestowitz | > described as "attempted murder of the soul". | Sep 29 22:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:47 |
| schestowitz | > IBM is blackmailing the entire industry, disguising control as | Sep 29 22:48 |
| schestowitz | > liberation-- then painting anybody angry with the dishonesty and | Sep 29 22:48 |
| schestowitz | > bullshit as liking racism, which is a pretty effective defense that | Sep 29 22:48 |
| schestowitz | > compounds the dishonesty. They double down, and it works. | Sep 29 22:48 |
| schestowitz | > "Nice _reputation_ you have there - I'd hate to see anything happen to | Sep 29 22:49 |
| schestowitz | > it..." | Sep 29 22:49 |
| Chaekyung | I'll just leave some links here https://yoona.everdot.org/i/ibm/ibm-and-the-holocaust.jpg https://yoona.everdot.org/i/ibm/ibm_hi1.jpg | Sep 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz | > This isn't the first era where computer scientists and developers had to | Sep 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz | > worry about being blackmailed over political nonsense. Alan Turing lived | Sep 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz | > in an era where there was a real danger of people finding out you were | Sep 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz | > gay, and then using that information to blackmail you-- like collecting | Sep 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz | > rent on it or they would turn you in. Of course IBM helped "eradicate" | Sep 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz | > gays as well, it's so bizarre to see Nazis make themselves into the PC | Sep 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz | > Police. | Sep 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz | > Maybe the real reason IBM is doing this is to keep people from holding | Sep 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz | > them accountable for their work in the holocaust, the same way Gates | Sep 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz | > went after Stallman to keep people away from bothering him about Epstein | Sep 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz | > ties. | Sep 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Chaekyung: I have the full books | Sep 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz | but cannot just dump them on the Web | Sep 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz | only resort to Fair Use and link to the original (sales) | Sep 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz | IBM is playing with fire here | Sep 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | but the media is on IBM's side | Sep 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | it's paid to | Sep 29 22:52 |
| Chaekyung | what's all that from, anyway? | Sep 29 22:52 |
| Chaekyung | some website? your website? an e-mail? | Sep 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | the texts? | Sep 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | the above? | Sep 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Sep 29 22:52 | |
| Chaekyung | Yes your very long paste | Sep 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | people aren't happy | Sep 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | but sadly we still need more people to talk about the hypocrisy | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | until IBM moves on to some other PR stunt | Sep 29 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | it refers to http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/ | Sep 29 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Fought for ‘Master Race’ and Now It’s Banning the Word ‘Master’ | Techrights | Sep 29 22:53 | |
| schestowitz | among several more posts 'around' it | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | video here: http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/ibm-keen-sense-of-public-relations/ | Sep 29 22:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM’s Founder, Mr. Watson (Yes, That Watson), Had “Very Keen Sense of Public Relations” | Techrights | Sep 29 22:54 | |
| schestowitz | we need people to help spread the word | Sep 29 22:54 |
| schestowitz | as IBM moved into some sort of agenda along with Microsoft, Intel and others | Sep 29 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Painting the likes us me who talk about their crimes as "toxic"... to make it a taboo to hold them accountable | Sep 29 22:55 |
| schestowitz | because it's "not polite" to accuse bad people of doing bad things (which they did) | Sep 29 22:55 |
| Chaekyung | oh big corporations are trying to ban words like master, are they | Sep 29 22:56 |
| Chaekyung | https://linuxreviews.org/Linus_Torvalds_Has_Merged_Inclusive-Terminology_Rules_Into_The_Linux_Kernel_Git_Tree#The_Approvals | Sep 29 22:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Linus Torvalds Has Merged Inclusive-Terminology Rules Into The Linux Kernel Git Tree - LinuxReviews | Sep 29 22:56 | |
| *Chaekyung is such shocked | Sep 29 22:56 | |
| schestowitz | imagine if he asked questions | Sep 29 22:56 |
| schestowitz | immediate COC violation? | Sep 29 22:57 |
| schestowitz | because it is, by definition, intolerant to question this | Sep 29 22:57 |
| schestowitz | so people shut up, don't wish to be called racist | Sep 29 22:57 |
| Chaekyung | I'm more into writing reviews of free software not the narrow area of tech rights, that's a nice niece but it's not mine. But I have realized it's pretty important to make lists of reponsible people next to the corprations they work for | Sep 29 22:57 |
| schestowitz | and the mobs are at the back of the stage | Sep 29 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | waiting to pounce at anyone who asks follow-up questions | Sep 29 22:57 |
| Chaekyung | I think it's more about ensuring that you can kick people you don't like out | Sep 29 22:58 |
| Chaekyung | like what does "you bad you violated the CoC" even mean right | Sep 29 22:58 |
| Chaekyung | You don't need any concrete justification | Sep 29 22:58 |
| schestowitz | You included http://techrights.org/2020/07/12/politically-correct-tech/ | Sep 29 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politically Correct Tech | Techrights | Sep 29 22:58 | |
| Chaekyung | schestowitz: you offended me. I am such offended. You're in violation. You're out. | Sep 29 22:58 |
| schestowitz | :-( shutting down | Sep 29 22:58 |
| Chaekyung | schestowitz: you must quit now | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | As of September 1st 2020, invidio.us has closed down. | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | To see this content, please select another instance, or visit directly on YouTube. | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Chaekyung: no, well... | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | with some people it's easier | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | because they lack a voice | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | to completely "cancel" RMS was hard | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | and it failed | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | he's still chief of GNU | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat employees (IBM) still try to oust him | Sep 29 22:59 |
| schestowitz | and those of us who still call out the real intentions will be singled out | Sep 29 23:00 |
| Chaekyung | What's the point, he's an old man now | Sep 29 23:00 |
| schestowitz | but if we communicate this correctly and carefully, it might be them doing the running away | Sep 29 23:00 |
| schestowitz | because the facts are not on their side | Sep 29 23:00 |
| schestowitz | they're nor ethical enforcers | Sep 29 23:00 |
| schestowitz | but hypocrites | Sep 29 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Chaekyung: RMS is not so old | Sep 29 23:00 |
| schestowitz | he has some health issues | Sep 29 23:01 |
| Chaekyung | it's he like 70? | Sep 29 23:01 |
| schestowitz | but he can go on another decade, maybe 2 | Sep 29 23:01 |
| schestowitz | he lost some weight a decade or so ago | Sep 29 23:01 |
| schestowitz | his skin shows he's still OK and the mind works very well | Sep 29 23:01 |
| schestowitz | afaik | Sep 29 23:01 |
| schestowitz | besides, no peaceful transition allowed | Sep 29 23:02 |
| schestowitz | they want to disgrace him | Sep 29 23:02 |
| schestowitz | in public | Sep 29 23:02 |
| schestowitz | as that, by extension, disgraces his work and message | Sep 29 23:02 |
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| Chaekyung | view-source:http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/ | Sep 29 23:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Fought for ‘Master Race’ and Now It’s Banning the Word ‘Master’ | Techrights | Sep 29 23:04 | |
| Chaekyung | not sure if that's something you should fix | Sep 29 23:04 |
| schestowitz | it's rather old code | Sep 29 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to tinker too much with it | Sep 29 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | a lot of the setup goes back more than a decade, sans security patches and all | Sep 29 23:05 |
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| Chaekyung | ah ok. I couldn't have my very small site nobody reads up without static cache these days | Sep 29 23:05 |
| Chaekyung | there's so many bots that act badly, and most of them use browser-style user-agents | Sep 29 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | true | Sep 29 23:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | My Discover card came. Still no ballot. | Sep 29 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guy at the post office says they haven't actually received any yet. | Sep 29 23:25 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20011656 | Sep 29 23:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They approved Mandy's EAD renewal. That was much faster than I thought it would be. | Sep 29 23:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Says they've ordered a new card to be manufactured. | Sep 29 23:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | An attorney was saying that's a delay right now. It's going from case approved to card manufactured in like 40-50 days, but there's no rush. | Sep 29 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They expire 12 months after the day the card gets printed. | Sep 29 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once you get a Green Card, you no longer need an EAD, and you can apply for an unrestricted Social Security card. | Sep 29 23:38 |
| schestowitz | good | Sep 29 23:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not sure I got the joke | Sep 29 23:42 |
| schestowitz | puma, potty? | Sep 29 23:42 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: puma pants | Sep 29 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | I see | Sep 29 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/media/disney-parks-layoffs/index.html | Sep 29 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Disney is laying off 28,000 employees as pandemic hammers its theme parks - CNN | Sep 29 23:53 | |
| schestowitz | good | Sep 29 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Disney reopening certainly caused more cases of the virus. | Sep 29 23:54 |
| schestowitz | AmericanDream | Sep 29 23:54 |
| schestowitz | literally | Sep 29 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Disney's parks unit, which brought in more than $26 billion in fiscal 2019, was crushed during the second quarter of this year. The segment's operating profit fell 58% compared with the previous year, and Disney reported a loss a billion dollars in profit just a few weeks into the global health crisis." | Sep 29 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 58% drop in profit. LOL | Sep 29 23:56 |
| schestowitz | did they profit at all? | Sep 29 23:56 |
| schestowitz | or just revenue drop? | Sep 29 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says 58% operating profit drop YoY. | Sep 29 23:56 |
| schestowitz | operating? | Sep 29 23:57 |
| schestowitz | they operate? | Sep 29 23:57 |
| schestowitz | dusting off the chair? | Sep 29 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It looks like there's a small after hours selloff going on. | Sep 29 23:57 |
| schestowitz | they had it long coming tbh | Sep 29 23:58 |
| schestowitz | even before covid19 | Sep 29 23:58 |
| schestowitz | their business model is pants | Sep 29 23:58 |
| schestowitz | expect many 'tech' companies to also go bust | Sep 29 23:58 |
| schestowitz | they're just borrowing money | Sep 29 23:58 |
| schestowitz | or surfing VCs' money | Sep 29 23:58 |
| schestowitz | bragging about "market share" without any real bottom line to show for it | Sep 29 23:59 |
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