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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'Wow, Just Wow': Jaws Drop Over Trump Endorsement of Doctor Who Believes Masks Don't Work, a Covid-19 Cure Exists, and Some Interesting Things About Alien DNA | Common Dreams NewsJul 31 00:52
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Bankruptin' Chief is trying to appeal to stupid people in Floriduh who have an even bigger COVID-19 problem right now than what ever happened in New York.Jul 31 00:53
DaemonFC[m]People who are smart, at all, stopped listening to the Bankruptin' Chief a long time ago.Jul 31 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, Trump called the witch doctor, she told him what to do. She said that, oooh eeee oooh ahhh ahh, ting tang, wala wala bing bang. ;)Jul 31 00:54
DaemonFC[m]I, for one, am not surprised that Trump's witch doctor says that Ovarian Cysts are caused by people having sex with demons in their dreams because that sounds like something the people at my mom's church who all got the Coronavirus would say.Jul 31 00:57
DaemonFC[m]This is the Republican Party now.Jul 31 00:58
schestowitz[00:53] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: The Bankruptin' Chief is trying to appeal to stupid people in Floriduh who have an even bigger COVID-19 problem right now than what ever happened in New York.Jul 31 00:59
schestowitzmore cases now in FL than there ever were in NYSJul 31 00:59
schestowitzabout half a million confirmedJul 31 00:59
schestowitzand they're 'old'.... (or "not young")Jul 31 00:59
schestowitzyou can put people on ventilators for a monthJul 31 00:59
DaemonFC[m]Yes, and we all know that Floriduh is "massaging" the statistics on deaths by not using CDC recommendations, to hide the fact that their governor is as stupid as Trump.Jul 31 00:59
schestowitzbut the longer they stay on it, you know...Jul 31 01:00
schestowitz1,227 deadJul 31 01:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #RedHat Enterprise Linux runs into Boothole patch trouble []Jul 31 01:03
kingoffranceyoud be amazed how many churches have "fire" logos and such...ppl dont pick upJul 31 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Well, since Mr. 9-9-9 won't be making my Uncle Steve a tax plan he can't refuse anymore, and his whole family is sick with the virus down there in Georgia, I wonder if he'll take down that idiotic Facebook post about people losing their shit over a virus with a "98% survival rate". Also, about that, as more cases close, the slower the death rate falls each day. I can't see it getting much lower than maybe 5%.Jul 31 01:06
kingoffrancenow is fire up in heaven or is it the other place? hmm...Jul 31 01:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Jul 31 01:07
DaemonFC[m]Which is about twice as bad as the WHO and CDC said it was back in March.Jul 31 01:07
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DaemonFC[m]It was totally predictable that something bad would happen after the Tulsa Rally that would be a black eye for the Trump Campaign.Jul 31 01:08
DaemonFC[m]It turns out that the Trump Campaign very obviously got Herman Cain killed while he was tweeting that people should refuse to wear a mask at the event (which was sparsely attended anyway).Jul 31 01:09
DaemonFC[m]When the news got there to the rally, it was just a bunch of bleachers. 90% empty. No use for the "overflow area" and it got Herman Cain killed anyway.Jul 31 01:09
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla Thunderbird 78.1 Released with Full OpenPGP Support, Search in Preferences Tab []Jul 31 01:10
DaemonFC[m]Turns out that even in the middle of Oklahoma, the Bankruptin' Chief couldn't find much of anyone who wanted to play with fire when it was their own lives.Jul 31 01:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FreeBSD Foundation Turns 20, Has New Site Look []Jul 31 01:13
DaemonFC[m]Interesting experience shaving my head against the grain just now. Of course, with the grain was kinda rough at first too.Jul 31 01:14
DaemonFC[m]I see photos of people all covered in plastic and face masks to get their hair done and it's like "LOL".Jul 31 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Just shave it off. It's more comfortable anyway.Jul 31 01:14
DaemonFC[m]What's one more industry destroyed at this point?Jul 31 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Trump brought the beginning of the end for even McDonalds and Dunkin Donuts....that's how bad the economy here is now.Jul 31 01:15
DaemonFC[m]If he gets one more term, it really will be people going "Hey buddy, you got any potatoes?" each day and that will be the economy.Jul 31 01:15
DaemonFC[m]How the hell are there 20% out there who think that an economy that just got A THIRD of the ENTIRE THING chipped off in one quarter is strong?Jul 31 01:16
MinceR31 020606 < kingoffrance> youd be amazed how many churches have "fire" logos and such...ppl dont pick upJul 31 01:17
MinceRExtinct are the Ori.Jul 31 01:17
kingoffrance   i see wind water fire just missing earthJul 31 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ori and the Blind Forest - WikipediaJul 31 01:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux runs on 500 of the top 500 supercomputers []Jul 31 01:20
DaemonFC[m]The FreeBSD ones probably lost their network driver in the last "upgrade".Jul 31 01:23
kingoffranceMinceR, You enter what seems to be an older, more primitive world. 31 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-【FF4】The Dreadful Fight 【Guitar】 - YouTubeJul 31 01:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Jul 31 01:30
schestowitz"America is a Poor Country Now, in Ways that are Likely to be Permanent" 31 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How the American Idiot Made America Unlivable | by umair haque | Jul, 2020 | Eudaimonia and CoJul 31 01:30
MinceR 31 01:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Green Day - American Idiot [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTubeJul 31 01:31
schestowitzThat banner is hilariousJul 31 01:33
schestowitzfor so many reasonsJul 31 01:33
schestowitzbut this is why it was used in the articleJul 31 01:34
schestowitz Jul 31 01:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Red Hat Powers the Future of Supercomputing with Red Hat Enterprise LinuxJul 31 01:34
schestowitzwhoa. I was right: nearly 1,500 #covid19 deaths in the US againJul 31 01:34
schestowitzjust nearlyJul 31 01:34
MinceRuntil supercomputing gets tired of failures to boot, failures to shutdown and "modern" bloatware wasting CPU time, that isJul 31 01:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Video/Audio: Command Line Heroes, GNU Guix and EndeavourOS 2020.07.15 []Jul 31 01:40
schestowitzlolJul 31 01:45
schestowitz'secure' bootJul 31 01:45
schestowitzsecure... not from itselfJul 31 01:45
schestowitzred hat PUSHED for itJul 31 01:45
schestowitzMatt Garrett worked for themJul 31 01:45
MinceRhedrat and canonical worship it togetherJul 31 01:46
MinceRand paid their idols at microsloth to sign their stubsJul 31 01:46
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schestowitzCanonical came laterJul 31 01:48
schestowitziirc, Matt also worked for CanonicalJul 31 01:48
schestowitzIIRCJul 31 01:48
schestowitzbefore he moved to Red HatJul 31 01:48
schestowitzhe had long been an a-holeJul 31 01:48
schestowitznow works for GoogleJul 31 01:48
schestowitzwith all the other a-holesJul 31 01:48
schestowitznot even gnu linux companyJul 31 01:48
schestowitzanti-gpl alsoJul 31 01:48
schestowitzpart of the anti-RMS coup and anti-LT coupJul 31 01:49
schestowitzmaybe they want some nontechnical idiot who speaks about words like "black screen" in charge of everythingJul 31 01:49
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Wayland’s Weston, NIR and AMD []Jul 31 01:53
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers []Jul 31 02:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #techrights Links 31/7/2020: New #Thunderbird and #FreeBSD Foundation, Now 20, Has Got a New Look []Jul 31 02:15
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schestowitzMinceR: I decided to do a quick post about thisJul 31 02:20
schestowitzMinceR: /or anyone:Jul 31 02:22
schestowitzgot more links about RHEL becoming unbootable?Jul 31 02:22
schestowitzI have the bug reports, lwn, and zdnetJul 31 02:22
schestowitzthere must be more out thereJul 31 02:23
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MinceRi only know that debian page on the matterJul 31 02:23
MinceRof course, it was obvious that this was going to happenJul 31 02:23
schestowitzcan you send it here?Jul 31 02:23
schestowitzI am assembling coverageJul 31 02:23
schestowitzto make a pointJul 31 02:23
schestowitz"Karma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing?"Jul 31 02:25
schestowitzI will show Torvalds resisting itJul 31 02:25
MinceR 31 02:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian -- GRUB2 UEFI SecureBoot vulnerability - 'BootHole'Jul 31 02:28
schestowitzpost slug will be wontbootJul 31 02:31
schestowitzI guess you see the humourJul 31 02:31
MinceR:)Jul 31 02:31
MinceRof course, if it won't even boot, it's more secureJul 31 02:31
schestowitzMinceR: which part mentions the rhel incidentJul 31 02:31
schestowitzI am reading through...Jul 31 02:31
MinceRmaybe i misunderstood youJul 31 02:32
schestowitzmaybeJul 31 02:32
schestowitz[02:22] <schestowitz> got more links about RHEL becoming unbootable?Jul 31 02:33
schestowitzlet me show you...Jul 31 02:33
schestowitzhang onJul 31 02:33
MinceRit's about microshit revoking Restricted Boot signing keysJul 31 02:33
schestowitz 31 02:33
schestowitzmore like thisJul 31 02:33
schestowitzor theseJul 31 02:33
schestowitzcould use more linksJul 31 02:34
schestowitznow I will pick the LT (Torvalds) quotesJul 31 02:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: 31 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | mjg59 | Filesystem deduplication is a sidechannelJul 31 02:34
schestowitzI have just added your link to 瑨灴⼺眯睷琮硵慭档湩獥漮杲港摯⽥㐱㐰㠶挣浯敭瑮㈭㤵㠹Jul 31 02:35
schestowitzoopsJul 31 02:35
schestowitzbarrier bugJul 31 02:35
schestowitz 31 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Security Patches and New UEFI 'Secure' Boot Catastrophe | Tux MachinesJul 31 02:35
schestowitzIt will also show up in next batch of daily linksJul 31 02:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: this is olderJul 31 02:35
schestowitzi look for two emailsJul 31 02:36
schestowitzone to garrett where torvalds says "deepthroat"Jul 31 02:36
schestowitzand other "dick-sucking contest"Jul 31 02:36
schestowitzIIRC, there are two separate mailsJul 31 02:36
schestowitz 31 02:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binariesJul 31 02:37
schestowitzfirst oneJul 31 02:37
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't trust anything someone who works at Google or Facebook says about "security" involving "clouds".Jul 31 02:37
DaemonFC[m]Maybe his concerns over deduplication is a NOBUS issue.Jul 31 02:37
schestowitzThere was another 'rude' rantJul 31 02:38
schestowitzcan you help us find it?Jul 31 02:38
MinceRschestowitz: 31 02:38
schestowitzthat's the one I remembered and the media links toJul 31 02:38
schestowitzfinding the other might be harderJul 31 02:38
schestowitzharderJul 31 02:38
schestowitzhardJul 31 02:38
schestowitznever mindJul 31 02:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The X.509 comments.Jul 31 02:38
schestowitz 31 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binariesJul 31 02:39
DaemonFC[m]Where Torvalds said he didn't want it in the kernel (it's there now, btw) because it was a contest to see who could suck Microsoft's dick the best. Jul 31 02:39
schestowitzNow we need a page fore Garrett working for Red HatJul 31 02:40
schestowitzat that timeJul 31 02:40
DaemonFC[m]All of uEFI is pretty disgusting really.Jul 31 02:40
schestowitzyupJul 31 02:40
DaemonFC[m]It's full of Microsoft-isms.Jul 31 02:40
schestowitzIntel did a conference call with me about itJul 31 02:40
schestowitzand they did not convince me otherwise, they triedJul 31 02:40
schestowitz 31 02:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binariesJul 31 02:40
DaemonFC[m]What else do you call PE binaries on FAT32 in the first place?Jul 31 02:41
DaemonFC[m]Then my laptop has been screaming at me that there's a "MSFT" device it doesn't have a driver for in my laptop.Jul 31 02:41
DaemonFC[m]In the kernel logs every time I boot up.Jul 31 02:41
schestowitzthis one has redhat addressJul 31 02:42
schestowitz 31 02:42
DaemonFC[m]Getting Linux to boot up on these things has always been a rush to implement Microsoft stuff.Jul 31 02:42
schestowitz 31 02:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LKML: Florian Weimer: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binariesJul 31 02:42
DaemonFC[m]What's worse is that uEFI is full of old BIOS copypasta like poorly written ACPI tables that they kept, for operating systems that don't know what uEFI is, on a system without a CSM.Jul 31 02:42
schestowitz"Jul 31 02:42
schestowitzWhy would Microsoft put a hash of something into dbx which theyJul 31 02:42
schestowitzhaven't signed?  Wouldn't this make them subject to aJul 31 02:42
schestowitzdenial-of-service attack on their platform if they revoke somethingJul 31 02:42
schestowitzwith surprising consequences?Jul 31 02:42
schestowitz"Jul 31 02:43
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: My laptop from late 2016 has ACPI tables for if you run Windows 98.Jul 31 02:43
DaemonFC[m]I mean, this is just great stuff really. Very robust and modern.Jul 31 02:43
schestowitzRespondong to another red hat employeeJul 31 02:44
DaemonFC[m]It probes for Linux even though Linux returns false since Linux 2.6.9 to avoid getting broken ACPI code that was written with old kernels in mind nearly 20 years ago.Jul 31 02:44
schestowitzsee email: 31 02:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binariesJul 31 02:44
DaemonFC[m]ACPI is its own nightmare, and it's been retained without even the slightest attempt to clean it up as part of uEFI.Jul 31 02:45
schestowitzIt started with Red Hat also: 31 02:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LKML: David Howells: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binariesJul 31 02:45
schestowitzKarma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing?Jul 31 02:53
schestowitz<em>This is why perceived 'rudeness' is sometimes necessary and well deserved</em>Jul 31 02:53
schestowitzTechrights did not forget how UEFI 'secure' boot came into kernel space; This proposal came from Red Hat and then foisted/pushed onto Linus Torvalds by at least 3 Red Hat employees (the mainstream media blasted Torvalds for his response to this 'offensive' technical move by Red Hat, helping Intel and Microsoft control silicon at CA level)Jul 31 02:53
schestowitzdoes this make sense?Jul 31 02:53
schestowitztechnically and gramatically?Jul 31 02:53
DaemonFC[m]It does.Jul 31 02:58
MinceRi doubt hedrat even mindsJul 31 02:58
MinceRthey've already laid their life down for their lords at microshitJul 31 02:58
DaemonFC[m]The media is paid well to negatively report on Microsoft's enemies.Jul 31 02:58
schestowitzMinceR:  DaemonFC[m] can you have a quick read?Jul 31 02:59
schestowitzvJul 31 02:59
schestowitz 31 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Karma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing Now? | TechrightsJul 31 02:59
schestowitzit's a draft, I am rereading itJul 31 02:59
DaemonFC[m]I have to go pick Mandy up. Will when I'm back.Jul 31 02:59
schestowitzit's shortJul 31 02:59
schestowitzone minJul 31 02:59
MinceRlooks good to meJul 31 03:01
schestowitzcheers, MinceRJul 31 03:01
schestowitzdid we cover all the key points?Jul 31 03:01
schestowitz[02:58] <DaemonFC[m]> The media is paid well to negatively report on Microsoft's enemies.Jul 31 03:01
schestowitzyes, the article mentions thisJul 31 03:01
schestowitzwithout linking to the anti-Torvalds responsesJul 31 03:01
schestowitzArse Technically Pedophile and allJul 31 03:01
MinceRnot sure -- there's tons of bad things about uefi and hardly anything goodJul 31 03:01
MinceRor nothingJul 31 03:01
schestowitzshowing his original words with CONTEXTJul 31 03:02
schestowitzMinceR: it's  ahrmm... newJul 31 03:02
schestowitzlike systemdJul 31 03:02
schestowitzso new is betterJul 31 03:02
MinceRyeahJul 31 03:02
MinceR"modern"Jul 31 03:02
schestowitznewer is always betterJul 31 03:02
schestowitzbootingJul 31 03:02
schestowitz"just fucking boot this shit up, MFer!"Jul 31 03:02
schestowitz"no, I can't do that dave"Jul 31 03:02
MinceRbloated, broken, insecure, hostile -- in one word, "modern"Jul 31 03:02
schestowitz"I need to check MS sigs"Jul 31 03:02
schestowitz 31 03:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | UEFI - TechrightsJul 31 03:06
schestowitzmaybe I should add it hereJul 31 03:06
MinceRyeahJul 31 03:06
schestowitzok, doneJul 31 03:07
schestowitzwe lost sight of it for many yearsJul 31 03:07
schestowitzRMS gave an award for thisJul 31 03:07
schestowitzto the UEFI 'secure' boot pusherJul 31 03:07
schestowitzI wonder whose idea it wasJul 31 03:07
schestowitzthe panel deciding is named here in full 31 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | UEFI ‘Secure Boot’ is Just a Security Mess, as Techrights Predicted All Along, and FSF Should Not Have Given That Award | TechrightsJul 31 03:07
schestowitzso maybe RMS was just presenting the awardJul 31 03:07
schestowitzlike he did de Icaza's and de Raadt's (hed raat's)?Jul 31 03:08
schestowitzto be fair to the latter, he hasn't attacked RMS for agesJul 31 03:08
schestowitzlike over a decade Jul 31 03:08
schestowitzTheo de RaadyJul 31 03:08
schestowitz*dtJul 31 03:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Karma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing Now? #redhat #ibm #torvalds #linux []Jul 31 03:11
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schestowitzMinceR: 31 04:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and the Bomb – Part II: How IBM Sneaks Into Positions of Power (and Nuclear Power, Global Superpower, Nuclear Weapons) | TechrightsJul 31 04:07
schestowitzmight be of interest to you (I assume you're zzzing anyway)Jul 31 04:07
schestowitzpart III this weekendJul 31 04:08
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DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "not sure -- there's tons of bad "> GPT partition labeling, and that's about it.Jul 31 06:19
DaemonFC[m]I suppose that support for legacy x86 instructions could conceivably be removed at some point, but the benefit would be minor. Intel already wastes lots of resources implementing dumb shit like MPX and AVX-512.Jul 31 06:21
schestowitzI am going to  mention your reddit post re Firefox, DaemonFC[m]Jul 31 06:56
schestowitzwant to read the 'draft'?Jul 31 07:01
DaemonFC[m]SureJul 31 07:05
schestowitzcheers, hang on...Jul 31 07:10
schestowitzfirst there's this very short one 31 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] GitHub is Not About Sharing But About Giving… Everything to Microsoft | TechrightsJul 31 07:11
schestowitzthe next is about yours...Jul 31 07:11
schestowitzcan you see it has clarify?Jul 31 07:11
schestowitzlooks OK?Jul 31 07:16
schestowitzIf so, I'll do the next oneJul 31 07:16
schestowitzit's a draftJul 31 07:16
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Jul 31 07:16
DaemonFC[m]I noticed that github does allow you to use the GPL 3 on your project.Jul 31 07:16
DaemonFC[m]That Codeplex thing did not.Jul 31 07:16
schestowitzwowJul 31 07:16
schestowitzwhat if you still want it?Jul 31 07:16
schestowitzor migrate to itJul 31 07:17
schestowitzwith gplv3Jul 31 07:17
DaemonFC[m]The terms of service for Codeplex said that you couldn't host anything GPL 3 there.Jul 31 07:17
schestowitzany link about this?Jul 31 07:17
DaemonFC[m]Also, it was not a license option, so if you went to pick it, the GPL 3 and LGPL 3 just weren't on the list.Jul 31 07:17
schestowitzmajor news if trueJul 31 07:17
schestowitzI did not knowJul 31 07:17
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft shut Codeplex down, I think.Jul 31 07:18
schestowitzyupJul 31 07:19
schestowitzbut nm codeplexJul 31 07:19
schestowitzdoes this apply in github?Jul 31 07:19
schestowitzand if so, we need the proofJul 31 07:19
schestowitzmaybe there is a wa aroundJul 31 07:19
schestowitzsome gnu projects are thereJul 31 07:19
schestowitzand afaik they use gplv3Jul 31 07:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: 31 07:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lest CodePlex perplex — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareJul 31 07:20
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "does this apply in github?"> No, I've seen GPL 3 and LGPL 3 projects in Github.Jul 31 07:20
schestowitzwhat about github?Jul 31 07:20
DaemonFC[m]I remember going to create a Codeplex repo and the GPL/LGPL 3 weren't on the approved licenses list.Jul 31 07:21
DaemonFC[m]Then the ToS said if it's not on the approved licenses list, you can't host it.Jul 31 07:21
schestowitzso I guess it is 'old news'Jul 31 07:21
schestowitzlet me publish the draft...Jul 31 07:21
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Microsoft shut Codeplex down as soon as they acquired Github, and there were already GPL 3 projects there.Jul 31 07:22
schestowitz 31 07:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | People Who Believe Global Warning is a ‘Hoax’ Are the Types Who Might Think Microsoft Really Loves Linux | TechrightsJul 31 07:22
schestowitzit's draft, so it'll have typos we need to fix quicklyJul 31 07:22
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft's "Shared Source Licenses" have a couple that would be Free Software, except for the fact that the resulting application has to support Windows.Jul 31 07:23
DaemonFC[m]One could imagine a future where Windows no longer exists and it's impossible to satisfy that license.Jul 31 07:23
DaemonFC[m]I really think that Windows is on the way out. Might be slow motion, but give it 30 years and I don't think people will be using it. There will be adutls that don't remember it.Jul 31 07:24
DaemonFC[m]Remember MP3 as a killer technology? Then 30 years later, there's 18 year olds that don't know what an MP3 is?Jul 31 07:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Microsoft does not like all the time.Jul 31 07:29
DaemonFC[m]like should be lieJul 31 07:29
DaemonFC[m]"Days ago, Facebook, Apple, Google, and Amazon came under “antitrust” fire."Jul 31 07:32
DaemonFC[m]Yeah?Jul 31 07:32
schestowitzthanks, fixedJul 31 07:33
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, GAFAJul 31 07:33
schestowitzdid you not read press reports?Jul 31 07:33
schestowitzno M in GAFAMJul 31 07:33
schestowitzMicrosoft a good citizen now, apparently...Jul 31 07:33
*schestowitz found a second typoJul 31 07:34
DaemonFC[m]No, I meant commas. Lots of commas for your mommas.Jul 31 07:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Microsoft is almost a parody of itself these days.Jul 31 07:34
DaemonFC[m]'campaign contributionsJul 31 07:35
schestowitzOK, I added your two commasJul 31 07:35
schestowitzI found that typo Jul 31 07:35
schestowitzmissing apostropheJul 31 07:36
schestowitzupon first readJul 31 07:36
schestowitzwe both saw the same two typosJul 31 07:36
DaemonFC[m]Oh, okay.Jul 31 07:36
schestowitzand I added your commasJul 31 07:36
schestowitzYou posted a rant about firefox in a firefox subJul 31 07:36
schestowitzin an oppressive siteJul 31 07:36
schestowitzof course it'll be downvoterJul 31 07:36
schestowitzthe subs are guarded by those who are stakeholdersJul 31 07:36
schestowitzso no real free speech and debateJul 31 07:36
schestowitzmore like brand builldingJul 31 07:36
DaemonFC[m]With so many cranks out there, and seemingly growing in number because the COVID crisis kills them from the neck up, no wonder some people out there even fall for lies like “Microsoft loves Linux…”Jul 31 07:37
DaemonFC[m]I'd drop the "and".Jul 31 07:37
DaemonFC[m]and use "it's no wonder".Jul 31 07:37
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I have several hundred edits that go something like this on Wikipedia.Jul 31 07:38
DaemonFC[m] 31 07:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Anyone else get an "oops" on their Firefox 79 upgrade that turned Pocket advertisements back on? : firefoxJul 31 07:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Others are saying that Pocket ads got turned back on by Firefox 79.Jul 31 07:39
DaemonFC[m]Some are suggesting that this could be an accident related to the German rollout of Pocket ads.Jul 31 07:40
schestowitz[07:37] <DaemonFC[m]> and use "it's no wonder".Jul 31 07:41
schestowitzdone, cheersJul 31 07:41
schestowitzPocket was proprietaryJul 31 07:41
schestowitzthen mozilla 'liberated' itJul 31 07:41
schestowitzadvertising platform now?Jul 31 07:41
schestowitz'free' ads?Jul 31 07:41
schestowitzfirefox pisses me off at timesJul 31 07:41
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it studies what you browse and they sell ads in your new tab page in Firefox.Jul 31 07:42
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schestowitzI only use it to type up drafted stuff, which I actually  type in kateJul 31 07:42
DaemonFC[m]They say it's done client side to respect privacy, but Mozilla is an adtech now.Jul 31 07:42
schestowitzSo not much Firefox left here, only 1 computer out of 3 and for one task onlyJul 31 07:42
schestowitzand merely because of the browser history, which I need for autocompleteJul 31 07:42
DaemonFC[m] 31 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )Jul 31 07:43
DaemonFC[m]NYT deleted this.Jul 31 07:43
schestowitzmozilla hired from facebook for itJul 31 07:43
schestowitz 31 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook and Other Surveillance Capitalists Won’t Save Mozilla From Google Dependence | TechrightsJul 31 07:43
schestowitzMozilla also opposes free speech 31 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Beware Mozilla and Rust, They’re Not Friends of Free Software or Even of Free Speech | TechrightsJul 31 07:43
schestowitzit's becoming a 'little FB'Jul 31 07:44
schestowitznytimes belongs in an ashtrayJul 31 07:44
schestowitzthey've been padding their good journalism with fluff, propaganda, and adsJul 31 07:44
schestowitzguardian is the sameJul 31 07:44
schestowitzthey 'pad' good stuffJul 31 07:44
schestowitzwith spamJul 31 07:44
schestowitzwith lies for intel agenciesJul 31 07:45
schestowitzit helps attract people to "what else is in the news?"Jul 31 07:45
schestowitzit's a form of baitJul 31 07:45
DaemonFC[m]Trump says he took Chloroquine and "I'm still here.".Jul 31 07:52
DaemonFC[m]I've eaten canned goods a year past their expiration date and I'm still here.Jul 31 07:52
schestowitzlolJul 31 07:53
schestowitzbtw, I spent ages eating canned goodsJul 31 07:53
schestowitz'goods'Jul 31 07:53
schestowitzesp. before rianne and I got married and she cooks a lot, so no canned foods anymore, or barelyJul 31 07:53
schestowitzit did not kill me, but check the preservative contents in theseJul 31 07:53
schestowitzI don't know the longterm effects, but it cannot be too goodJul 31 07:54
schestowitzif it helps kill germs, it might also help kill something in you, like pesticides doJul 31 07:54
schestowitzif not directly from food like veg, then water supply, aerosols etc. Jul 31 07:54
schestowitzGMO in its own right might be OK, but GM means they typically go with chemicals, which the plants are made 'immune' toJul 31 07:55
schestowitzyour body is not immune to those chemicalsJul 31 07:55
schestowitzthe GMO lobbyists conflate these thingsJul 31 07:55
schestowitzto make GMO critics seem nutsJul 31 07:55
schestowitz5G patent holders do the sameJul 31 07:55
schestowitzto associate 5G critics with nuts who say 5G spreads COVIDJul 31 07:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I prefer frozen vegetables. Jul 31 07:56
DaemonFC[m]The preservative is usually just a bunch of sodium.Jul 31 07:56
DaemonFC[m]So it's kind of hard on your kidneys and bad for the blood pressure if you do canned.Jul 31 07:56
DaemonFC[m]Can be. Jul 31 07:56
DaemonFC[m]If a food pantry gives me canned carrots or something then I'll use them, but if I'm buying, the price difference for frozen is small.Jul 31 07:57
DaemonFC[m]It avoids a ton of salt.Jul 31 07:57
DaemonFC[m]It's usually for the best because Mandy likes putting MSG in some things.Jul 31 07:57
schestowitz[07:56] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I prefer frozen vegetables. Jul 31 07:58
schestowitzThey lose nutrients and vitaminsJul 31 07:58
DaemonFC[m]So canned veggies and MSG = Sodium BombJul 31 07:58
schestowitzbest if not frozenJul 31 07:58
DaemonFC[m]Frozen loses less than fresh.Jul 31 07:58
schestowitzbuy fresh, then washJul 31 07:58
schestowitzwear a maskJul 31 07:58
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: what I told you about 31 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump's new postmaster general could corrupt a key institution ahead of Election DayJul 31 08:21
schestowitzalso 31 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-With Trump donor in charge, Postal Service may shut locations and cut service before Election Day | Salon.comJul 31 08:21
DaemonFC[m]Could backfire.Jul 31 08:24
DaemonFC[m]Old people vote absentee in large numbers.Jul 31 08:24
schestowitz 31 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump Can’t Postpone The Election, But He Can Delegitimize The Results. | FiveThirtyEightJul 31 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump Can’t Delay the Election—So He’s Trying to Make It a Chaotic Mess | The NationJul 31 08:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: depends which stateJul 31 08:24
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psydread> "America is a Poor Country Now, in Ways that are Likely to be Permanent"Jul 31 09:28
psydreadI got that impression of Ireland when I lived there. Constantly working and being on the lookout for a better job with more pay because expenses keep rising all the time. That doesn't mean you're a developed country, but a developing country pretending to be developed.Jul 31 09:28
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kingoffrancewell look at the banner    they think a "golden age" is right around the cornerJul 31 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How the American Idiot Made America Unlivable | by umair haque | Jul, 2020 | Eudaimonia and CoJul 31 11:29
kingoffranceill spare you the details, but:   It was normally called the Six Ages of the World because in Augustine's schema they were the ages of the world, of history, while the Seventh Age was not of this world but, as Bede later elaborated, ran parallel to the six ages of the world. Augustine's presentation deliberately counters chiliastic and millennial ideas that the Seventh Age, WJul 31 11:34
kingoffranceorld to Come, would come after the sixth.   <--  1st coming-wise, there is no "golden age" :)    hence that ff4 thing -- thats not a golden age, historically thats 4 horsemen :)Jul 31 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Six Ages of the World - WikipediaJul 31 11:34
kingoffrancewhen they say america is "the new world" thats what they meantJul 31 11:35
kingoffrancehow do they come up with insane stuff like vaccines being the "mark of the beast"?   the alternative is they are all marked -- they simply have nowhere else to go.Jul 31 11:37
kingoffrancethey can only go "forward"Jul 31 11:37
*kingoffrance removes cassandra hatJul 31 11:54
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: GPT can be used in GRUB booted from MBR.Jul 31 13:25
MinceR31 050750 < schestowitz> might be of interest to you (I assume you're zzzing anyway)Jul 31 13:27
MinceRit is, thanksJul 31 13:27
MinceR31 083359 < schestowitz> Microsoft a good citizen now, apparently...Jul 31 13:29
MinceRmaybe microshit paid the politicians to attack their competitorsJul 31 13:29
MinceR(cat) 31 13:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4338772)Jul 31 13:39
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*kingoffrance <puts on cassandra hat> that was also why i said "hence the you enter an older, more primitive world" <removes cassandra hat>Jul 31 14:05
MinceR 31 14:47
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MinceRhosting article images on cancerflare doesn't work so well for me on mobileJul 31 15:51
MinceRi had to open every single one of them in a new tab to see somethingJul 31 15:51
MinceRand even then, a cancerflare ad came up instead of 31 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | — The free app that makes your Internet faster.Jul 31 15:52
XRevan86instead of ?Jul 31 15:53
MinceRhm, only happens in braveJul 31 15:54
MinceRnot in chrome, firefox or kiwiJul 31 15:54
MinceRweirdJul 31 15:54
MinceRmaybe cancerflare hates brave :>Jul 31 15:55
XRevan86MinceR: What is kiwi?Jul 31 15:57
XRevan86other than a fruit and a Huawei smartphoneJul 31 15:57
MinceRa chromium fork for android that allegedly either has extension support already or soon willJul 31 15:57
XRevan86MinceR: Claims to already have it.Jul 31 16:03
XRevan86Meanwhile, org.mozilla.firefox is now on Fenix.Jul 31 16:03
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schestowitz[15:52] <MinceR> and even then, a cancerflare ad came up instead of 31 16:16
schestowitzSomething is wrong with the software you use or ISPJul 31 16:17
schestowitzNo reason it should be routed through CF, we don't touch this clown shitJul 31 16:18
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MinceRicJul 31 16:22
MinceRi'm on vodafone currentlyJul 31 16:23
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schestowitzMinceR: our deepest condolences...Jul 31 16:27
MinceR:>Jul 31 16:28
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MinceRprobably the least bad choice for mobile hereJul 31 16:28
MinceRtelenor sold their interests in the region and the party state already took over at least 25% of what used to be telenor hereJul 31 16:29
MinceRand deutsche telekom is the most evil telecom corporation i'm aware ofJul 31 16:29
MinceRat least hereJul 31 16:29
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schestowitzwe're going into lockdown againJul 31 16:31
schestowitzmore time for me to do articlesJul 31 16:31
psydreadI look forward to seeing more Linux Candy CrushJul 31 16:33
schestowitzFlorida reports 256 deaths for today and 9,007 new cases -- more than 10 times the UK or Germany. US needs another lockdown.Jul 31 16:33
kingoffrancedaemon said it best: wada wada bing bangJul 31 16:40
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MinceRHTTPS would probably keep ISP-s from screwing with contentJul 31 17:17
MinceRor a Tor hidden serviceJul 31 17:17
schestowitzso should prisonsJul 31 17:17
schestowitzbut execs aren't sentenced to time in themJul 31 17:18
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XRevan86MinceR: probably?Jul 31 17:21
XRevan86Definitely.Jul 31 17:21
MinceRwell, PKI is still vulnerableJul 31 17:22
XRevan86MinceR: ISPs won't destroy PKI just to shove ads up your arse.Jul 31 17:22
MinceRyet.Jul 31 17:22
XRevan86MinceR: A more likely scenario is some attempt to repeat what Kazakhstan tried to do.Jul 31 17:23
XRevan86I think they actually stopped (I'll ask a resident to be sure), because, turns out, there's no HTTP security when there's no HTTP security.Jul 31 17:24
MinceRand they cared about that?Jul 31 17:28
MinceRsuits and despots don't even understand what IT security isJul 31 17:28
XRevan86MinceR: One nasty thing about backdoors is that it's really tricky to leave the door open just for oneself.Jul 31 17:29
MinceRyeah, notify me when that gets through the thick skull of a suitJul 31 17:29
XRevan86They did implement that.Jul 31 17:29
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XRevan86So if a realisation happened, it happened only after they made a mess.Jul 31 17:30
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DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "but execs aren't sentenced to ti"> Pretend prison. Where they have canoeing, high speed internet access, fax machines, offices, fluffy pillows.Jul 31 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Many homeless people should be o lucky.Jul 31 18:15
DaemonFC[m]They even joke about these prisons for rich people. They call them Club Fed.Jul 31 18:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Think white-collar prison is like 'Club Fed?' It's not—commentaryJul 31 18:22
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jul 31 18:23
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that's usually what happens when you fight them.Jul 31 18:23
MinceR(audio:important) 31 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Enjoy the End of the World - YouTubeJul 31 18:26
DaemonFC[m]It's called the "trial tax".Jul 31 18:54
DaemonFC[m]The prosecutor and your attorney should know about what the government's case looks like and what the odds are. That's why the government offers a deal.Jul 31 18:54
DaemonFC[m]If they go to court and you lose, they ask for way more at the sentencing hearing than the deal was going to be.Jul 31 18:55
MinceR(audio:important) 31 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Honest Government Ad | A message from the White House - YouTubeJul 31 18:56
DaemonFC[m] 31 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Trial Tax: Worse Than You Thought | Simple JusticeJul 31 18:58
DaemonFC[m]"Assuming you just skipped over the quote, here’s the TL:dr:  Not only is there a trial tax, but the trial tax is a 64% longer sentence.  This is likely far more than anyone would have realized. Yeah, data is a thing."Jul 31 18:58
DaemonFC[m]What would 64% worse have looked like in my case.Jul 31 18:59
DaemonFC[m]Probably 6 months in jail and triple the fine. Jul 31 19:00
DaemonFC[m]It's not just the sentence being 64% harsher that you have to consider.Jul 31 19:01
DaemonFC[m]It's how damaging the original charges and a conviction would be to your reputation.Jul 31 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Obviously another misdemeanor after a long string of felonies wouldn't really sting more than the existing priors.Jul 31 19:02
DaemonFC[m]So people who habitually offend have less of a reputation to protect, and ironically less incentive to entertain the idea that a C misdemeanor and deferred judgment would be less bad than two convictions on A misdemeanors. Jul 31 19:03
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Mandy was like "They give free condoms to prisoners but they're not allowed to have sex?".Jul 31 19:05
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, they're admitting that they can't enforce their own rules. Imagine that.".Jul 31 19:05
DaemonFC[m]He says, "Prison turns you gay?".Jul 31 19:05
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, men do all sorts of things when they're looking at a life sentence and there are never going to be any women around.".Jul 31 19:06
DaemonFC[m]If a sex offender goes to prison, they'll usually try to lie and say it was car theft or something.Jul 31 19:07
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I was in jail for the weekend one time when I was a teenager over something real dumb. Jul 31 19:08
DaemonFC[m]I made the mistake of asking someone I was eating lunch next to what he did, and he starts graphically describing sex with a farm animal.Jul 31 19:08
DaemonFC[m]Awkward.Jul 31 19:08
DaemonFC[m]Then each night there was some kid of about 8 or 9 that was screaming he wanted to be out right now and I probably got a few hours sleep. Jul 31 19:10
DaemonFC[m]The system starts going to work on some people sooner than others.Jul 31 19:10
DaemonFC[m]They arrest an 8 year old. For what?Jul 31 19:10
DaemonFC[m]Like he's going to understand fully the ramifications of committing some minor infraction.Jul 31 19:11
DaemonFC[m]Thank god for the police, MinceR Jul 31 19:11
DaemonFC[m]Strip searching an 8 year old and watching him shower.Jul 31 19:11
DaemonFC[m]Glad they're here to protect us from perverts.Jul 31 19:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I can't imagine that there aren't perverts hiding out as cops because their job gives them an excuse to get their freak on.Jul 31 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Who would want a job like that? How long could you last investigating that stuff before it does something to your mind?Jul 31 19:13
*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200731_131830.png (118KB) < >Jul 31 19:18
DaemonFC[m]It's not just on Linux. Someone who deleted their comment mentioned that Mozilla is turning on new tab advertisements on Mac as well.Jul 31 19:19
psydreadit's time to abandon that sinking ship tooJul 31 19:20
psydreadI describe the current times as those in which everything goes to shit including softwareJul 31 19:21
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MinceRthere are people in prison who ignore rules? well, i never!Jul 31 19:38
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's "correcting" them.Jul 31 19:40
DaemonFC[m]When they let them out, they'll never re-offend because the government "corrected" them. The government never does anything wrong, so when they say a problem is fixed, it's fixed.Jul 31 19:41
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That's why I think the government should completely take over health care and car repair. Jul 31 19:41
DaemonFC[m]You go in once and they fix it so good there will never be a problem again.Jul 31 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Of course, I joke. People who go to prison don't change because they were willing to break the law once and they'll do it again, and most of them won't even learn to do it better so they won't get caught again.Jul 31 19:43
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: schestowitz quoted Bill Gates saying (of Windows Vista, I guess?) "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good.". That's how people should approach the law too.Jul 31 19:44
DaemonFC[m]Hide your shit better. Jul 31 19:44
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Fox Lake, IL gave a high ranking police officer a parade after he died of an accident.Jul 31 19:45
DaemonFC[m]Later, they learned that he had ripped the village off to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars over the last few decades.Jul 31 19:45
DaemonFC[m]He committed suicide and made it look like an accident because he feared that a coming audit would expose him and if he lost his job as a police officer, his wife wouldn't get his life insurance money if he died.Jul 31 19:46
DaemonFC[m]He may have been caught, he might not have. He jumped the gun and killed himself before he would ever know, and they figured out the embezzlement because they started looking at the "accident". In other words, he may have been exposed because he drew attention to himself by committing suicideJul 31 19:48
DaemonFC[m]His wife didn't get the insurance money and now he's dead.Jul 31 19:48
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I suppose a more logical thing to do would be wait for the audit and see if they even catch you before you decide to kill yourself.Jul 31 19:48
DaemonFC[m]You could always kill yourself while you're out on bail if it looks like they're going to send you away for 40 years or something.Jul 31 19:49
DaemonFC[m]Thanks to the police fucking with my head and making it sound like I was going to jail for "years", I was seriously considering signing the citation so I could get out and blow my head off.Jul 31 19:51
DaemonFC[m]Then I started to calm down after I was out of there and said "Let's see how bad this -really- is. If I have to kill myself to stay out of jail then that's still an option after I see the "How fucked am I?" report.Jul 31 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Turns out that I was nowhere near fucked enough that jail was an actual concern.Jul 31 19:52
DaemonFC[m]I'm one of those people who would not last long in jail.Jul 31 19:53
DaemonFC[m]I think that if more than 10 years was probable I'd just bail out and then end it.Jul 31 19:54
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: lolJul 31 19:54
DaemonFC[m]I'm not some narcissist like Hans Reiser who would just do 20 years and then in the middle of that, go show up in court to make an idiot out of myself all over again.Jul 31 19:54
MinceRtoo bad gates couldn't even make vista look goodJul 31 19:55
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: My mom is one of those people who thinks life in prison is going soft on someone.Jul 31 19:56
DaemonFC[m]If I was going to get life in prison, I would request a death sentence and then not use any appeals.Jul 31 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Life in prison is pretty much the worst thing that can happen to someone.Jul 31 19:57
DaemonFC[m]It's much, much worse than dying.Jul 31 19:57
DaemonFC[m]I can't believe she watched my cousin's husband do two years and then come out with PTSD and thinks that the rest of your life in prison is "soft punishment".Jul 31 19:57
DaemonFC[m]There's people raping you in the shower.Jul 31 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Beating you up if you don't give them your lunch.Jul 31 19:58
DaemonFC[m]If you're lucky you might get to read a book every once in a while.Jul 31 19:58
DaemonFC[m]If you're unlucky, they'll stick you in the hole and you'll start going nuts in an hour or two, with only months left to go down there.Jul 31 19:59
DaemonFC[m]I mean, which part of that. 50 years of that..... is better than death?Jul 31 19:59
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I heard someone say don't piss off old people because the older you get, the less a life sentence means. Jul 31 20:00
DaemonFC[m]That must be why 70 and 80 year olds in Trump hats are shooting people for asking them to wear a mask at Walmart.Jul 31 20:00
DaemonFC[m]They call it the second childhood because the Delta pilot has to get on the intercom and say "So help me God I will turn this plane around!".Jul 31 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Everyone on the plane has to suffer because one jerk who says he voted for Trump and has Constitutional rights wore a mask to get on the plane and then figured they wouldn't do anything about him once it was in the air. This has happened three times now.Jul 31 20:03
DaemonFC[m]You know, I heard the passengers subdued the underwear bomber and beat the crap out of him and stomped on his dick (to put out the fuse that he tried to light). Maybe they should just let the passengers lose on the people who wear MAGA hats who make the plane turn around halfway to Miami.Jul 31 20:05
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MinceRwell, at least if the state realizes it fucked up, it can still get you out of thereJul 31 20:14
MinceRthere's no coming back from being executedJul 31 20:14
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "well, at least if the state real"> LOLJul 31 20:15
DaemonFC[m]You mean after you prove you were innocent complete with evidence that someone at the state lab was lying about DNA tests and the prosecutor is still trying to keep you in prison?Jul 31 20:16
DaemonFC[m]Then, in exchange for 26 years of living hell for something you didn't do, the state says it will stoop down to giving you $5,000 for each year of that as compensation?Jul 31 20:17
DaemonFC[m]That actually happened to dozens of people in Michigan.Jul 31 20:17
DaemonFC[m]There's probably no recovering from that, MinceR Jul 31 20:18
DaemonFC[m]The psychological damage.Jul 31 20:18
DaemonFC[m]While you were in there, your relatives all got old and died.Jul 31 20:18
DaemonFC[m]You're 63 years old.Jul 31 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Texas refuses to re-examine any death sentence cases.Jul 31 20:20
DaemonFC[m]If they were wrong even 1% of the time, they've killed over 20 innocent people since 1990.Jul 31 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Like they'll ever admit to that.Jul 31 20:20
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The state is all knowing. It's basically God. If anything, you just piss it off even more by proving that it's not infallible.Jul 31 20:21
DaemonFC[m]Even if you play by the state's rules, it can still find ways to penalize you.Jul 31 20:21
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I feel like I'm in Q's penalty box from that episode of Star Trek: TNG.Jul 31 20:22
DaemonFC[m]Remember. There's only one penalty box. If you screw up again, or anyone else screws up, you die. Jul 31 20:23
DaemonFC[m]There's no personal consequences for anyone around me if I go to jail, at least not immediately and in their own mind.Jul 31 20:23
DaemonFC[m]So they enjoy thumbing their nose at me about being able to call the police "...and who will they believe?" "Not you.".Jul 31 20:24
DaemonFC[m]At least if I make it through one more week of this shit show I have theoretical Constitutional rights that they would have to theoretically bowl over to take another shot at me.Jul 31 20:25
DaemonFC[m]Right now I don't even have that.Jul 31 20:25
DaemonFC[m]In reality, the cops get so good at working all of the loopholes and getting (most) people to confess that the state doesn't need anything else, really.Jul 31 20:26
DaemonFC[m]As Ron White put it, "It was at that moment that I had the right to remain silent.....but I didn't have the ability.".Jul 31 20:26
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DaemonFC[m]Why are you talking to a cop, exactly?Jul 31 20:26
DaemonFC[m]You're feeding the enemy information that it will use against you. It even said it would.Jul 31 20:27
DaemonFC[m]He's not your psychologist. He's not your priest (if you have one).Jul 31 20:27
DaemonFC[m]You're at a police station, it's 3 AM, and they're trying to make sure you go to jail. So shut up.Jul 31 20:27
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DaemonFC[m]John knew I was smart enough to not tell the police anything.Jul 31 20:28
DaemonFC[m]So he called my mom to tell her I was in jail so that she was call them and tell them things and get me all worked up.Jul 31 20:28
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DaemonFC[m]I already had the talk with Mandy. I said if the police arrest me for something, he is not to talk to them, ever about anything. Do not talk to the police about me. Do nothing. Say nothing. Get Kevin!Jul 31 20:29
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure that's not what would happen..Jul 31 20:29
DaemonFC[m]I would have never called my mom and let her know I was at the police station until I had bonded out.Jul 31 20:30
DaemonFC[m]I know exactly why John called to tell her I was there.Jul 31 20:30
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schestowitz[20:29] <DaemonFC[m]> I already had the talk with Mandy. I said if the police arrest me for something, he is not to talk to them, ever about anything. Do not talk to the police about me. Do nothing. Say nothing. Get Kevin!Jul 31 20:33
schestowitzThen they threaten peopleJul 31 20:33
schestowitzand offer "way out" if they just speak or answer some trick questionJul 31 20:34
schestowitzthat seems easy and harmless on the surfaceJul 31 20:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, the do nothing, say nothing, get Kevin part is a play on that episode of Red Dwarf.Jul 31 20:34
DaemonFC[m]Where the cat has him in the DNA machine and he can't move.Jul 31 20:35
DaemonFC[m]It's getting ready to turn him into a chicken and the cat won't listen to him while he's saying "Do nothing, say nothing, get Kryten!".Jul 31 20:35
schestowitzAre layoff to follow? Can we find out? 31 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft to sunset Cortana on iOS and Android in pivot to ‘productivity-focused’ assistant - GeekWireJul 31 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft is shutting down Cortana on multiple devices, including iOS and Android - The VergeJul 31 20:36
DaemonFC[m]Probably nobody was using it.Jul 31 20:36
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft seems to be trying to clean house of anything that's sitting around costing them money.Jul 31 20:37
DaemonFC[m]They're obviously in some kind of financial trouble and they're triaging to try to slow down the bleeding.Jul 31 20:37
DaemonFC[m]Suddenly, they don't have any will to entertain the idea of divisions that lose even small amounts of money.Jul 31 20:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I guess we'll see if their new MSN news bot turns into a Nazi after 10 minutes.Jul 31 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Seems Tor Browser on Ubuntu doesn't warn you not to maximize it.Jul 31 20:46
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schestowitz[20:37] <DaemonFC[m]> Microsoft seems to be trying to clean house of anything that's sitting around costing them money.Jul 31 21:18
schestowitzthat is it, but...Jul 31 21:18
schestowitzwe need to know if there are layoffsJul 31 21:18
schestowitzas they hide these nowadaysJul 31 21:18
psydreadand we need them to clean house more after thisJul 31 21:19
psydreadwho doesn't like living in a clean house?Jul 31 21:19
DaemonFC[m] 31 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 17-year-old arrested, accused of being Twitter hack 'mastermind' - Business InsiderJul 31 21:21
DaemonFC[m]You know, conspiracy to commit a misdemeanor is, itself, a felony.Jul 31 21:21
MinceRthey need to clean a lot moreJul 31 21:22
superkuhIt's one of the greater injustices in the USA that minors have none of the rights of adults but still get charged as them.Jul 31 21:22
superkuhThe age limit is clearly defined and exists for a reason. But nope. Governments gotta government. And that means making all laws and their application fuzzy and arbitrary.Jul 31 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, his mistake was that he targeted rich and powerful people.Jul 31 21:24
*superkuh nods.Jul 31 21:24
DaemonFC[m]They'll probably even burn Tor vulnerabilities over this if they have to, even though they let a CP producer off the hook because they didn't want to say how they got him.Jul 31 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Who knows how they caught these three. The more people you add to a conspiracy, the harder it is to pull it off.Jul 31 21:26
DaemonFC[m] 31 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Apple just announced its 5th stock split in history. Here's what that means — and how many shares you'd have if you bought one before its first split in 1987. (AAPL) | Markets InsiderJul 31 21:28
DaemonFC[m]Stock splits are useless.Jul 31 21:29
DaemonFC[m]There are many ways to invest in just a fraction of a share of stock.Jul 31 21:29
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Nvidia looking at buying ARM.Jul 31 21:30
DaemonFC[m]Not good.Jul 31 21:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AMD surges 12% after trouncing quarterly estimates and snagging market share from rivals | Markets InsiderJul 31 21:31
DaemonFC[m]11th straight quarter of growth. Yeah, it's amazing how that works. Intel screws up bad and doesn't even lower their prices to make up for the reduced performance gap and people run off.Jul 31 21:32
CrystalMathAMD! AMD! AMD!Jul 31 21:33
CrystalMathdeath to intelJul 31 21:33
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psydreadAMD is just awesomeJul 31 21:34
schestowitzit'll be another 1400 or so us covid19 deaths todayJul 31 21:36
schestowitzCA and TX not fully reporting yetJul 31 21:36
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: we went back into lock-down todayJul 31 21:36
schestowitzthe gym turned away everyoneJul 31 21:36
schestowitzby the time we came inJul 31 21:37
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: softbank is in bad state, so...Jul 31 21:38
schestowitzmaybe it can sell of offload arm cheaplyJul 31 21:38
DaemonFC[m]125 bankruptcies in Chicago district yesterday.Jul 31 21:38
DaemonFC[m]102 so far today.Jul 31 21:38
Narratorwell, japanise don't sell it;-)Jul 31 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Lawyers try to file them before the start of the next month.Jul 31 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Otherwise they need to get another month of financial documents from their client.Jul 31 21:39
MinceRAMD is less badJul 31 21:39
MinceRbut they still have their PSPJul 31 21:39
MinceRand they seem to be on board with UEFI tooJul 31 21:40
psydreadthat's why they're even more awesomeJul 31 21:40
psydreadI see the news of the KDE Slimbook and I'm like "great performance and probably a good driver situation, but I'm never going to buy any of that"Jul 31 21:42
schestowitzwhich slimbook?Jul 31 21:46
psydreadthe ones on kde.slimbook.esJul 31 21:47
MinceRi don't get itJul 31 21:53
psydreadAMD is just slightly less bad than Intel, but I don't see that as a reason to celebrate. They are still in the same bed together with MS and the content industry to shove DRM down our throatsJul 31 21:58
MinceRso what's awesome about them?Jul 31 21:58
psydreadthat's my brand of sarcasmJul 31 21:59
MinceRicJul 31 21:59
psydreadsorry for not making it obviousJul 31 21:59
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psydreadall my AMD hardware is from the BIOS eraJul 31 22:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Make a Vinegar Trap to Get Rid of Fruit FliesJul 31 22:33
DaemonFC[m]"Fortunately, fruit flies aren't very bright. The adults spend all their time focused on two goals: mating and laying eggs on rotting fruit."Jul 31 22:33
DaemonFC[m]About as bright as the typical..... I'm not going to say it.Jul 31 22:34
DaemonFC[m]I bought Terro fruit fly traps.Jul 31 22:34
DaemonFC[m]The solution was immediately identifiable as vinegar.Jul 31 22:34
DaemonFC[m]I think I got gypped.Jul 31 22:34
DaemonFC[m]Of course, the damned things are drowning in them and they are decorative. Jul 31 22:35
psydreadvinegar with soap helps to kill themJul 31 22:36
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DaemonFC[m]Coffee seems to attract them too.Jul 31 22:40
DaemonFC[m]Just leaving some cold coffee with cream out, you see 6 of the damned things floating in it in a day or so.Jul 31 22:40
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: the other day, I think 3 days ago, a bee came to my plate while I was eatingJul 31 22:49
schestowitzindoors evenJul 31 22:49
schestowitzwe managed to get it out, eventually...Jul 31 22:49
DaemonFC[m]These damned fruit flies are everywhere. They seem to be rushing into the traps to die though.Jul 31 22:49
DaemonFC[m]Maybe Fruit Fly Trump told them that not flying into the trap made them look like a wuss.Jul 31 22:50
DaemonFC[m]At this rate, Florida might reach "herd immunity" in 150 days or so. Of course, more than 45,000 of them will be dead by then, but hey! Herd immunityJul 31 22:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | X.Org security advisory: July 31, 2020: XserverJul 31 22:58
DaemonFC[m]Trend Micro? The patent troll that tried suing ClamAV?Jul 31 22:58
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schestowitzTried?Jul 31 23:03
schestowitzIt did.Jul 31 23:03
schestowitzbut is is not a patent tollJul 31 23:03
schestowitza bully, yesJul 31 23:03
schestowitz"Figures published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) on Friday suggest infection rates in England are rising, with around 4,200 new infections a day - compared with 3,200 a week ago." Hmmm. Very different from what they advertise. 31 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus: Boris Johnson postpones lockdown easing in England - BBC NewsJul 31 23:06
schestowitzwell, at least we are not going to become USJul 31 23:06
schestowitzlockdowns are not affecting us, personally, much (if at all)Jul 31 23:06
schestowitzthey do mean the gym is closing againJul 31 23:06
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans in the Senate have let the supplemental unemployment bill lapse because they were trying to make it impossible to sue negligent businesses in red states. Their rider would make it so if you sue, you have to not only prove they were negligent, but also that they failed to follow "local health orders", which means that if you live in a state governed by a mini Trump where there are no health orders forJul 31 23:10
DaemonFC[m]the business to violate, merely demonstrating that their negligence made you sick is not enough. It's a way to make it impossible for businesses to be sued by customers and employees if their actions lead to a super-spreading event and death.Jul 31 23:10
DaemonFC[m]People's Exhibit A showing that Republicans are self-centered jerks who care nothing for other people..... Even Senator Rand Paul didn't stop using the Senate gym or pool when his Coronavirus test was in the lab. He later came back positive and never even apologized.Jul 31 23:12
DaemonFC[m]Mitch McConnell is starting to realize that if they let the relief bill lapse too much longer, the economy finishes unraveling. We've already been knocked back to the size that the economy was in 1998 (or the early 1990s in inflated terms), right before the election where voters are already angry at Trump in particular, and Republicans in general.Jul 31 23:14
DaemonFC[m]Gallup poll showed that 50% of Americans live in a house that has lost a substantial amount of income since the pandemic started, and we're not even on our first week of the relief bill having expired.Jul 31 23:16
DaemonFC[m]I think most Americans should simply give up this song and dance about even trying to pay off debt that was impossible to pay back before the pandemic hit and just start painting the banks with the manure spreader of mass bankruptcy.Jul 31 23:18
DaemonFC[m]Then while they're choking on their own greed we can see Citi, Capital One, Chase, and Wells Fargo....God only knows what else, collapse right in time for the election.Jul 31 23:18
schestowitz"Sarah Caisley, who lives in Harlow, says she's noticed her mental health has "improved substantially" since she's been working from home." 31 23:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus: Why some people want to keep working from home - BBC NewsJul 31 23:19
schestowitzwhoaJul 31 23:19
schestowitztexas reported minutes ago. 300 covid19 deaths.Jul 31 23:19
DaemonFC[m]I do believe that when this is over, the Federal Reserve will either be the only bank or will have to be doing business as all the major banks because they had to buy out so many shares of banks that were failing.Jul 31 23:19
schestowitztrump voting states are hit hardest, Trump-voting age group dies most.                Jul 31 23:20
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. This isn't great news for him. He was saying it wasn't a problem because he desperately needed for it not to be a problem.Jul 31 23:20
schestowitzthey want to delay the electionJul 31 23:21
schestowitzwantJul 31 23:21
schestowitzmaking it seem like inquiryJul 31 23:21
schestowitzbut it is clear they test the responseJul 31 23:21
DaemonFC[m]The reaction to that was fierce and swift.Jul 31 23:21
schestowitzand the will/intent is to call it offJul 31 23:21
schestowitzTrump cannot win, even Fox says soJul 31 23:21
DaemonFC[m]The founder of the Federalist Society, a Republican, said that Trump should be impeached again for even suggesting that the date of the election is negotiable.Jul 31 23:22
schestowitzor saying he would not accept the result (conversely, suggesting he won't commit to honouring them)Jul 31 23:22
schestowitzgood luck with this dictatorJul 31 23:22
schestowitzthe economy is finished, as if your 'democracy', which was faux all alongJul 31 23:22
DaemonFC[m]Trump has said he won't commit to accepting the election.Jul 31 23:22
DaemonFC[m]On Fox News. Several times in a row.Jul 31 23:22
DaemonFC[m]On Fox News Sunday.Jul 31 23:23
schestowitzimpeach nowJul 31 23:23
DaemonFC[m]He already is impeached. He was a criminal and a raving lunatic that only a bunch of despicable people without any concern for actual law and order could have ever supported.Jul 31 23:24
DaemonFC[m]None of that is new.Jul 31 23:24
schestowitzlike I said, [23:22] <schestowitz> the economy is finished, as if your 'democracy', which was faux all alongJul 31 23:24
schestowitzI start thinking what the next superpower isJul 31 23:25
schestowitzit's not EuropeJul 31 23:25
schestowitzthat's for sureJul 31 23:25
schestowitzEU was too US-leaning anyway, as was/is the UKJul 31 23:25
DaemonFC[m]The Senate Republicans aren't saying it openly, but they're afraid that such a beating is coming for them in the election that they'll be wiped out because of Trump. The time to do something about him came and went. They could have probably just kicked him out of office and held onto the Senate.Jul 31 23:25
schestowitzJapan is deeper and deeper in debtJul 31 23:25
schestowitzmaybe for now there will be a "power vacuum"Jul 31 23:26
schestowitzno superpowersJul 31 23:26
schestowitzjust fluxJul 31 23:26
schestowitzwith many countries fighting to hold themselves togetherJul 31 23:26
schestowitzfinancially mostlyJul 31 23:26
schestowitzthe US is very divided at the momentJul 31 23:26
schestowitzhere the main issue right now isn't party politics but keeping businesses and workers goingJul 31 23:27
schestowitzCorona-approved. “Come closer…” 31 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Beach crowds descend on Bournemouth, Brighton and Poole - BBC NewsJul 31 23:27
schestowitzThe atmosphere here isn't too negativeJul 31 23:27
schestowitzmy inlaws think the UK is doing reasonably OK so far, but we have many deaths of old peopleJul 31 23:27
schestowitzno riots thoughJul 31 23:27
DaemonFC[m]They were so concerned with what a bunch of nuts in red hats that obviously weren't going to vote for a Democrat thought of them, that it never occurred that Trump would bring a bigger problem for them than just booting him out of office and dealing with whatever came of that was going to be.Jul 31 23:27
schestowitzlots of construction (housing) right nowJul 31 23:28
schestowitzand hotels etc. being refurbishedJul 31 23:28
schestowitztaking advantage of this thingJul 31 23:28
schestowitza best friend has started working from home and loves itJul 31 23:28
schestowitzGOP was a ticking bombJul 31 23:28
schestowitzlong before BushJul 31 23:28
schestowitzDems suck also, but nowhere near GOPJul 31 23:29
schestowitzthey would not let demented lunatics anywhere near debatesJul 31 23:29
schestowitzmocking people's appearance and stuff on stage and live TVJul 31 23:29
schestowitzthe US is becoming a circusJul 31 23:29
schestowitzPutin looks like top-notch pro compared to thisJul 31 23:29
DaemonFC[m]I doubt that home loanership is going to be much of a thing, given the mass unemployment, the fact that the moratorium on student loan debt is ending next, and the wave of bank failures and foreclosures that are already baked in. People will wait until the last second and file bankruptcy to forestall the inevitable when they think that the Sheriff will be out presently, but in the end it's all going to fall over.Jul 31 23:29
schestowitzwon't be mocking disabled people by making impersonations of them on cameraJul 31 23:30
schestowitzeven Hitler seemed a lot saner than TrumpJul 31 23:30
schestowitzBloodiest US COVID Sunday today since mid-MayJul 31 23:31
DaemonFC[m]My mom and dad think of immigrants as "trash people" and now the joke is on the United States as the rest of the world slams the door on us and says so long and thanks for all the fish due to their alleged president.Jul 31 23:32
DaemonFC[m]Trump didn't close the border. Mexico and Canada saw what was about to unfold in here and went NOPE NOPE NOPE.Jul 31 23:34
DaemonFC[m]An American passport gets you into so many countries you can count them on your fingers at this point.Jul 31 23:34
DaemonFC[m]Of course, your average Trump supporter can't count to 21 without being arrested for indecent exposure.Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC[m]China is the largest holder of US debt and at this point they're so pissed off that they're not even going to let Trump pretend we have an economy.Jul 31 23:37
DaemonFC[m]So 33% of it disappears overnight while the Fed prints and prints to fund the government.Jul 31 23:37
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Recessions make recessions worse. As ironic as it sounds. The "fear fairy", economists call it. When people don't feel confident, they stop spending money. When they stop spending money, the economy gets worse. When the economy gets worse, people lose their jobs and stop spending money, and so on. So the fact that we lost a third of our entire economy in 3 months despite the fact that not nearly everyoneJul 31 23:48
DaemonFC[m]lost their jobs, is because people don't have any confidence that Trump will solve _any_ problems that we are currently facing. He's said nothing at all that would reassure anyone with a brain in their head. It's all been about "my ratings" and "my election" and other things about himself.Jul 31 23:48
schestowitz[23:32] <DaemonFC[m]> My mom and dad think of immigrants as "trash people" Jul 31 23:49
schestowitzThat what they think of their (grand)parents?Jul 31 23:49
schestowitz*that'sJul 31 23:49
schestowitz[23:35] <DaemonFC[m]> Of course, your average Trump supporter can't count to 21 without being arrested for indecent exposure.Jul 31 23:50
schestowitzWomen cannot do this :/Jul 31 23:50
schestowitzI never heard this joke beforeJul 31 23:50
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, the Fed fakes itJul 31 23:51
schestowitzto keep fake momentum based upon borrowingsJul 31 23:51
schestowitzGreenspan did that a lotJul 31 23:51
schestowitz 31 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Coming War on China (John Pilger) | Full Documentary | Reel Truth - YouTubeJul 31 23:52
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "Women cannot do this :/"> Sure they can. According to Matthew Garrett they just have to pretend they're a man because gender is a mental condition.Jul 31 23:53
DaemonFC[m]Since gender is a mental condition, you just have to think long and hard and a penis will appear. Jul 31 23:53
schestowitzWatch Jul 31 23:54
schestowitz1:25 / 1:52:54Jul 31 23:54
schestowitzThe Coming War on China (John Pilger) | Full Documentary Jul 31 23:54
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "I never heard this joke before"> This old alcoholic I used to work with at Walmart told me that one.Jul 31 23:54
DaemonFC[m]He used to have tips for how to drink and drive.Jul 31 23:55
DaemonFC[m]I said, "If they work then how did you manage to have a judge take your license away?"Jul 31 23:55
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DaemonFC[m]That's like getting bank robbery tips from the people who spent the last 20 years downstate.Jul 31 23:57
MinceRi have a tip for how to drink and drive, tooJul 31 23:58
MinceRdon't.Jul 31 23:58
DaemonFC[m]More in the way of "the cops theoretically don't harass gay people".Jul 31 23:58
MinceRmost people drive badly enough when soberJul 31 23:58
DaemonFC[m]They hang outside the gay bar in Fort Wayne every night waiting for people to get in their car.Jul 31 23:58
DaemonFC[m]I don't know. Maybe they do that at other bars.Jul 31 23:58
DaemonFC[m]I've never seen them pretending to be a 16 year old girl online.Jul 31 23:59
DaemonFC[m]Except when Chris Hanson was involved.Jul 31 23:59
DaemonFC[m]"Hey! I made cookies, they're on the table! I'll be right back!"Jul 31 23:59

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