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psydroidthe latest video is broken on Firefox on Android, but works on MidoriDec 31 01:04
psydroidand the older ones work on Firefox, but not on MidoriDec 31 01:11
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DaemonFC[m]Edge is more compatible than Firefox, it seems.Dec 31 03:16
DaemonFC[m]I just loaded an Illinois state website that was completely mangled in Firefox.Dec 31 03:16
MinceRit's a reskin and malware re-encrustment of the only browser anyone seems to be willing to support anymore, so it's not too surprisingDec 31 03:36
schestowitzpsydroid: thanksDec 31 03:40
schestowitzmaybe better to just use webmDec 31 03:40
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schestowitzAriadne: I am assuming the current datacenter will last into January...Dec 31 04:18
schestowitzGot some EPO leaksDec 31 04:23
schestowitzand Intel leaksDec 31 04:23
schestowitzInteLeaks?Dec 31 04:23
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Ariadneschestowitz: no i intend to cut over tomorrowDec 31 04:36
Ariadnei want to make sure there is sufficient timeline to wipe the serverDec 31 04:36
schestowitzok, thanks, I'll be aroundDec 31 04:41
schestowitzwe have some leaks to publish this weekDec 31 04:41
schestowitzInteLeaksDec 31 04:41
Ariadnein fact if you have time nowDec 31 04:58
Ariadnewe can work on it nowDec 31 04:58
Ariadneintel leaks like whatDec 31 04:59
Ariadnetheir cpus are even more broken than expected?Dec 31 04:59
schestowitzyou will see, it's about LinuxDec 31 05:00
schestowitzmaybe we can try to copy across VMs now?Dec 31 05:00
schestowitzI can delay leaks until the changeover is done (IF done)Dec 31 05:00
Ariadnemy plan is to containerize the current VMs but rsyncing them acrossDec 31 05:01
schestowitzwe need more disk space in TR:/home/Dec 31 05:01
Ariadneout of curiosity how would you feel if i were to deploy new tech rights alpine environment on IBM s390x?Dec 31 05:01
Ariadnei mostly ask because i have an IBM mainframe that i bought recently and it’s sitting around idleDec 31 05:02
schestowitzthat's fine, if suitable stuff is compiled for that archDec 31 05:02
Ariadnei’m trying to cut the last of my x86 stuffDec 31 05:02
schestowitzmost stuff is just simple apache/phpDec 31 05:03
Ariadnex86 stuff is radioactive imoDec 31 05:03
schestowitzwait till you see the leaksDec 31 05:03
schestowitzvery anti-LinuxDec 31 05:03
Ariadnei'm not sure that anti-linux is a bad thing anymoreDec 31 05:07
Ariadnelinux is also increasingly problematicDec 31 05:07
schestowitzso, ok, pro-Microsoft proprietaryDec 31 05:08
AriadnealrightyDec 31 05:08
Ariadnelet me see how we should do thisDec 31 05:08
Ariadnei think the first objective should be to resync the database containerDec 31 05:10
Ariadnethen copy over techrights and fire it up in container formDec 31 05:10
Ariadnethen tuxmachinesDec 31 05:10
schestowitzyup, sounds goodDec 31 05:11
schestowitzI think TM will be simpler, in a lot of waysDec 31 05:11
Ariadnei also need to remember what IP block i set up for techrights in the new DCDec 31 05:11
schestowitztechrights has some moving parts like the bots and stuff and some utilsDec 31 05:11
schestowitzjust a gentle reminder: all the DBs are in the one DB container, except drupal on TMDec 31 05:12
AriadneyeahDec 31 05:12
Ariadneso tuxmachines is probably easierDec 31 05:13
Ariadneto do firstDec 31 05:13
Ariadnesince we're grabbing the data either wayDec 31 05:13
schestowitzalso smaller in terms of dataDec 31 05:13
schestowitzmost data of TM is in the DB, about 370MB compressed for drupal and some GBs for the screenshots/gallery partDec 31 05:14
schestowitzTM www data is in /var/www and for TR /home/Dec 31 05:14
schestowitzTM used to be gentoo and Debian-basedDec 31 05:14
Ariadneironically, the current IBM HMC appliance for System z is based on AlpineDec 31 05:17
Ariadneone must wonder why IBM wasted money on redhatDec 31 05:17
Ariadnei'm guessing for the java stuff tbhDec 31 05:17
schestowitzI have theories only about IBM's motivesDec 31 05:19
schestowitzbtw, ot in a sense:Dec 31 05:22
*Ariadne mutters about newest OpenSSH requiring handholding to connect to IOS-XRDec 31 05:22
schestowitz1) we have epo and intel leaks coming, mostly epo, schedule is start of year for thoseDec 31 05:22
schestowitz2) if we move tm first, we can change dns for that as a test run before TR migrationDec 31 05:22
AriadneyesDec 31 05:23
schestowitzRMS reads usDec 31 05:23
DaemonFC[m]+3,880 todayDec 31 05:23
schestowitzthey still are backloggedDec 31 05:25
schestowitzthere will be more days like thatDec 31 05:25
DaemonFC[m]It crossed 350,000 total today.Dec 31 05:26
schestowitz20,000,000 cases yesterdayDec 31 05:27
schestowitzgetting harder not to come across present and past carriersDec 31 05:27
schestowitzI have not left the house in 10 daysDec 31 05:28
schestowitzalmost a new recordDec 31 05:28
Ariadnesip-sfo1-dist-core#show run int vl 294 | grep ipDec 31 05:28
Ariadne description "techrights"Dec 31 05:28
Ariadne ip address 31 05:28
AriadnemmmkDec 31 05:28
schestowitz:-)Dec 31 05:28
Ariadnethat means the host is on .114 probablyDec 31 05:29
AriadneindeedDec 31 05:29
Ariadnebtw the x86 blade system is connected by 4x10G LAG straight into the core distribution switchDec 31 05:31
schestowitzah, the one I accessed before?Dec 31 05:31
AriadneyeahDec 31 05:31
schestowitzeven set up a second account on itDec 31 05:31
Ariadnebtw i am probably going to assign a second IP block to that vlanDec 31 05:32
Ariadneat some pointDec 31 05:32
Ariadnebecause i have a new IPv4 blockDec 31 05:32
Ariadneso i'm cleaning up a lot of stuff i did in a hurryDec 31 05:32
schestowitzthanks so muchDec 31 05:36
AriadnehmmphDec 31 05:37
Ariadnelxc is being annoyingDec 31 05:37
Ariadne[pid  3463] sendfile(44, 43, NULL, 2147479552) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)Dec 31 05:40
AriadnehmmDec 31 05:40
Ariadne5.10 issue i guessDec 31 05:40
*Ariadne rolls back to 5.4Dec 31 05:40
AriadnecoolDec 31 05:42
Ariadne5.4 worksDec 31 05:42
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Ariadnedoing initial rsyncDec 31 05:50
Ariadnei'll take mysql down temporarily and do another syncDec 31 05:50
schestowitzcool, both sites i.e. the container?Dec 31 05:52
schestowitzeither way, I'll carry on posting in TM, it has its own DB (local)Dec 31 05:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So I calculated our income.Dec 31 05:55
schestowitzdoes not matterDec 31 05:55
schestowitzstay on topcDec 31 05:55
schestowitz*topciDec 31 05:55
schestowitztopic evenDec 31 05:55
schestowitzwe're doing site work at the momentDec 31 05:55
DaemonFC[m]Meh, we're not doing too bad.Dec 31 05:55
DaemonFC[m]The virus has actually helped us oddly enough.Dec 31 05:56
DaemonFC[m]So far it hasn't done anything for us that wasn't ultimately beneficial.Dec 31 05:56
Ariadneschestowitz: yesDec 31 05:56
schestowitzI won't be touching TR for nowDec 31 05:57
Ariadneschestowitz: it will just be 1 minute or less.  after that, don't touch TR or the shared part of TMDec 31 05:57
DaemonFC[m]It ran immigration out of their offices long enough to get our act together and come up with everything we needed. The government sent me $3,600 in stimulus checks....Dec 31 05:57
Ariadneschestowitz: i will let you know :)Dec 31 05:57
DaemonFC[m]If it wasn't for Coronavirus I would be back in Indiana, Mandy would have been ordered to leave the country, and that's just no good.Dec 31 05:58
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: we're talking about the sites nopwDec 31 05:58
schestowitzyou interject life storiesDec 31 05:58
schestowitzmaybe later it's more appropriateDec 31 05:59
schestowitzalthough, tbh, better keep s/n ratio higher by focusing on issues, not talesDec 31 05:59
DaemonFC[m]Why is it always office workers everyone is worried about? They aren't worried about anyone else at all.Dec 31 05:59
schestowitzlike when you go on a rant about Windows or something in the WWWDec 31 05:59
DaemonFC[m]It's never been a more dangerous time to do real work, or a safer time to push papers. No risk of car accidents and exposure to smog and things.Dec 31 06:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So what are the cost overhead issues of running a real server vs. virtual hosting?Dec 31 06:01
Ariadne?Dec 31 06:02
Ariadnethere's zero costDec 31 06:02
schestowitz'virtual' hostingDec 31 06:02
DaemonFC[m]And is anyone doing virtual instances where it's not a ruse for PRISM and a security disaster? Microsoft was quick to point out that the latest intrusion into Azure "wasn't our fault".Dec 31 06:02
schestowitzit runs on aitDec 31 06:02
schestowitz*airDec 31 06:02
DaemonFC[m]They _allowed_ big companies and organization to use "blobs" where anyone with the path to the file could get highly sensitive data.Dec 31 06:03
AriadneDaemonFC[m]: i do, but i am selective on who i provide services toDec 31 06:03
DaemonFC[m]So it is kind of their fault.Dec 31 06:03
DaemonFC[m]The file data wasn't even encrypted.Dec 31 06:03
Ariadnehosting is honestly a pain in the assDec 31 06:03
schestowitzI saw spin about that incidentDec 31 06:03
Ariadnei just work with people who have specific requirementsDec 31 06:04
schestowitzAriadne: self-hosting more so :-)Dec 31 06:04
DaemonFC[m]You get one person who leaks the path to the data and everyone who gets that has a copy, and there's no way to spin that. Allowing such a configuration is entirely their fault.Dec 31 06:04
Ariadnecookie cutter infrastructure is not something i would ever want to be involved in againDec 31 06:04
Ariadnei worked at a webhost when i was in collegeDec 31 06:04
Ariadneit was not greatDec 31 06:04
DaemonFC[m]Someone will come along that won't be smart enough to know what they're doing with it and they'll put something there that they shouldn't.Dec 31 06:04
schestowitzshared hosting is problematicDec 31 06:05
DaemonFC[m]What is Azure? The Windows 98 of cloud? No file permissions? Come on.Dec 31 06:05
Ariadnethe problem is that people buy cookie cutter "cloud" solutionsDec 31 06:05
schestowitzlike other tenants on the same machine compromising your own accountDec 31 06:05
Ariadneand just hit it with a hammer until it worksDec 31 06:05
Ariadnethat's the problem with azure, aws, etcDec 31 06:05
Ariadnethey give you all the rope you need to hang yourselfDec 31 06:05
DaemonFC[m]Yes, Intel is in deep shit with the cloud hosting companies that need lots of CPUs where performance per watt and security matter a lot.Dec 31 06:05
schestowitzmy main personal site is still shared hosting BTWDec 31 06:06
Ariadnei took over a shared hosting op recently as a favorDec 31 06:06
Ariadneit is making negative moneyDec 31 06:06
Ariadnealmost all sites on it are crap like get rich quick schemesDec 31 06:06
Ariadneand it is on cpanel + centos 6Dec 31 06:06
schestowitzthose will rot awayDec 31 06:07
DaemonFC[m]Those CPU bugs lend themselves into intrusions into someone else's VM even if Microsoft's "management services" for RHEL and insecure blobs that you can just put anywhere don't get there first.Dec 31 06:07
schestowitzfor a determined cracker, yesDec 31 06:07
Ariadnei need to move it to my infrastructure so it will stop making negative moneyDec 31 06:07
schestowitzthey will find a way if there's a will and time/Dec 31 06:07
Ariadnemaybe upgrade it to centos 7Dec 31 06:07
Ariadneor cloudlinux i guessDec 31 06:07
DaemonFC[m]RMS was saying in the 1970s that he didn't like passwords.Dec 31 06:07
schestowitzthose were differentDec 31 06:08
Ariadnecloudlinux is probably worth the $20/month just to not have to deal with itDec 31 06:08
schestowitzpre-wwwDec 31 06:08
schestowitzit was more about time sharingDec 31 06:08
DaemonFC[m]I noticed that those are entirely inadequate now because some botnet just sits there now and hammers your account.Dec 31 06:08
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft shows all of the intrusion attempts into my outlook account.Dec 31 06:08
Ariadnewell RMS disliking password quote was different timeDec 31 06:09
DaemonFC[m]And it's several every minute from random parts of the world.Dec 31 06:09
Ariadnei am sure he would agree that passwords make sense nowDec 31 06:09
DaemonFC[m]Just banging away trying to get into my account.Dec 31 06:09
Ariadneor some sort of authenticationDec 31 06:09
AriadneokDec 31 06:09
Ariadnetaking mysql-shared downDec 31 06:09
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's kind of telling that there are that many compromised (Windows) PCs in the world.Dec 31 06:10
DaemonFC[m]Where the guy isn't paying anything to hijack them, so what the hell.Dec 31 06:10
Ariadnepasswords as an auth mechanism are quite flawed thoughDec 31 06:10
DaemonFC[m]But I'd reckon they should take them all over and mine bitcoin.Dec 31 06:10
schestowitzesp. in practiceDec 31 06:11
Ariadnei wonder if directadmin is still a thingDec 31 06:11
schestowitzI saw people uploading all their passwordsDec 31 06:11
Ariadnei have some directadmin licensesDec 31 06:11
DaemonFC[m]I have some in my email inbox, but then again it's in an encrypted archive as an email attachment, behind a random strong password and 2FA.Dec 31 06:11
DaemonFC[m]And Google isn't just relying on text messages now, unless you have an iPhone.Dec 31 06:12
DaemonFC[m]It's an alert box that shows up on Android.Dec 31 06:12
Ariadne(the real value of cpanel and stuff like that is that it makes almost everything involved in running a hosting op somebody else's problem)Dec 31 06:12
schestowitz  "Using strong passwords is a good way to help protect your accounts. On the Librem 5, we recommend you use Password Safe to keep track of and generate better passwords." 31 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | App Showcase: Password Safe – PurismDec 31 06:12
Ariadnepatiently waiting on rsync to finishDec 31 06:14
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is more or less trying to reinvent Windows in several different directions again, but I don't think this is going to go any better than the last few times.Dec 31 06:14
DaemonFC[m]They're having puff pieces about clean separation between the OS and the Win32 API, but they've been saying that since forever ago.Dec 31 06:15
Ariadneidk manDec 31 06:15
DaemonFC[m]They were pretty much saying that's where they wanted to be when I was getting Windows XP betas.Dec 31 06:15
Ariadnei'm just doing my own shit re: desktop nowDec 31 06:15
Ariadnesince nobody else is focusing on the right thingsDec 31 06:15
DaemonFC[m]Where they say they want to be with this is that every single app effectively gets a clean sandboxed version of Win32 all to itself.Dec 31 06:16
AriadnecoolDec 31 06:16
DaemonFC[m]And even if it turns out to make a complete mess or be malware ,doesn't matter.Dec 31 06:16
AriadneokDec 31 06:16
Ariadnemysql-shared resyncedDec 31 06:16
DaemonFC[m]No, it's actually pretty stunning how similar KDE and Windows 10 are.Dec 31 06:17
schestowitzAriadne: when will db be put back up?Dec 31 06:17
schestowitzI was just about to cite a rust-related postDec 31 06:17
schestowitzseems like rust is becoming gafam nowDec 31 06:17
DaemonFC[m]The theme and overall style. But I suppose KDE will never stick ad tiles and pop ups everywhere and make you figure out how to turn it off.Dec 31 06:17
schestowitzafter mozilla going belly-upDec 31 06:17
DaemonFC[m]Never thought Firefox would, but then they did.Dec 31 06:18
Ariadneschestowitz: its coming up nowDec 31 06:18
DaemonFC[m]Yes, even Edge is eating Firefox alive.Dec 31 06:18
Ariadneschestowitz: consider it readonly now please :)Dec 31 06:18
schestowitzAriadne: from the same DC or remote?Dec 31 06:18
Ariadnesame DCDec 31 06:18
schestowitzokDec 31 06:18
schestowitzcoolDec 31 06:18
DaemonFC[m]On web compatibility. I went to check the status of my FOID and I couldn't even get the CAPTCHA to load in Firefox.Dec 31 06:18
schestowitzokDec 31 06:18
DaemonFC[m]And that's not even the biggest problem I've had out of it lately.Dec 31 06:18
Ariadnetrying to think about how to attack the next stepDec 31 06:19
DaemonFC[m]It won't load Roy's videos.Dec 31 06:19
Ariadneschestowitz: you want to do tuxmachines first, right?Dec 31 06:19
DaemonFC[m]There's more and more sites where something just gets messed up bad, and sometimes in the middle of a payment going through or something.Dec 31 06:19
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schestowitzAriadne: it will be easierDec 31 06:20
Ariadneok lets do itDec 31 06:20
Ariadnecan you PM me the login info for that VMDec 31 06:21
schestowitzbtw, the DB (even if readonly for now) is not accessible from the site/front endDec 31 06:21
schestowitzsureDec 31 06:21
Ariadneshould be nowDec 31 06:21
Ariadneapparently i forgot to add mariadb to the old container's servicesDec 31 06:22
Ariadnenew container i fixed itDec 31 06:22
AriadnealreadyDec 31 06:22
DaemonFC[m] 31 06:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Biden inauguration: Parade viewing stands near White House dismantledDec 31 06:22
DaemonFC[m]COVID, the far-right cranks with machine guns.Dec 31 06:22
DaemonFC[m]Better to just not and say we did, right?Dec 31 06:22
Ariadneapparently the nashville bomber was making this bomb since 2019Dec 31 06:22
Ariadneand his girlfriend called it into the FBIDec 31 06:23
Ariadneand they disregarded itDec 31 06:23
Ariadneamazing work at FBIDec 31 06:23
Ariadneor dare i say, lack of work :)Dec 31 06:23
schestowitzout the window goes the "5g causes covid" as motive theory?Dec 31 06:24
DaemonFC[m]Nashville Police, but yeah.Dec 31 06:24
DaemonFC[m]"He's in there making bombs!" and they basically do nothing.Dec 31 06:25
DaemonFC[m]People can't figure out why we say what the hell good are they. Might as well cut their budget.Dec 31 06:25
schestowitzbrb coffee, 6am hereDec 31 06:30
Ariadnedoing an initial rsync of tuxmachinesDec 31 06:31
Ariadnetuxmachines is on centos6 right nowDec 31 06:37
Ariadnethats at least easy to containerizeDec 31 06:37
Ariadne:)Dec 31 06:37
schestowitzah, I would not know about that...Dec 31 06:38
schestowitzside storyDec 31 06:38
schestowitzthe side was hosted originally in TennesseeDec 31 06:38
schestowitzset up with lots of help from texstarDec 31 06:38
schestowitzhe was the partner of Susan at the timeDec 31 06:39
schestowitzit ran Gentoo with No-IP and stuffDec 31 06:39
schestowitzhad some incidents associated with DNS over the yearsDec 31 06:39
schestowitzwhen we took the site for a thousand bucks (symbolic sum, she trusted me to keep the site going) it ran on DebianDec 31 06:39
schestowitztessier put that on centOS, the standard in his DCDec 31 06:40
Ariadnealpine is the standard thing i useDec 31 06:42
Ariadneand wellDec 31 06:42
Ariadneit generally is quite reliableDec 31 06:42
schestowitzyes, I heard good thingsDec 31 06:44
schestowitztuxmachines links to all alpine release since ages ago; it seems like "linux" done right (simply)Dec 31 06:44
schestowitz"ultimate edition" and other kitchen sinks are "linux" done wrongDec 31 06:44
schestowitzlots of heavy blobs and stuff, thrown together in massive ISOsDec 31 06:45
Ariadnedoing second tuxmachines rsync passDec 31 06:45
Ariadnedoing third passDec 31 06:46
Ariadnestopping mysqlDec 31 06:47
Ariadnemysql coming back upDec 31 06:48
schestowitzjust checking no other person posts new stuff to tuxmachinesDec 31 06:50
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Ariadnetechrights-ctr-sfo1:/var/lib/lxc/tuxmachines-old# chroot rootfs/ /bin/bashDec 31 06:53
AriadneSegmentation faultDec 31 06:53
AriadnewtfDec 31 06:53
schestowitzis that fatal all around?Dec 31 06:54
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Ariadnevsyscall=emulate i guessDec 31 06:55
AriadnecoolDec 31 06:57
Ariadnevsyscall=emulate got it doneDec 31 06:57
schestowitzah, ok, excellent!Dec 31 06:58
AriadnehmmphDec 31 07:15
schestowitzobstacle?Dec 31 07:16
AriadneCentOS uses upstartDec 31 07:16
Ariadneupstart is being obnoxiousDec 31 07:16
Ariadne(CentOS 6)Dec 31 07:16
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schestowitzah, well... :-) systemd would not make you happier, I supposeDec 31 07:16
Ariadnegot it i thinkDec 31 07:21
schestowitzdoes it have identical copy of the site?Dec 31 07:22
schestowitzdb container+filesystem?Dec 31 07:22
schestowitzI can do some manual checks with find and diff and du -shDec 31 07:22
schestowitzI am SUPER paranoid about losing data during migrations and used to make checklists of things to verify are still there and accessible (permissions)Dec 31 07:23
AriadnecoolDec 31 07:23
Ariadneits on .115Dec 31 07:23
schestowitzI see it nowDec 31 07:24
Ariadnesystemd is actually more pleasantDec 31 07:25
schestowitzmaybe resolve.conf I can edit to test a bitDec 31 07:25
Ariadneit can detect when containerizedDec 31 07:25
Ariadneand it turns off a lot of things automaticallyDec 31 07:25
Ariadnetechrights will be .116Dec 31 07:26
schestowitzI'm on SSH alsoDec 31 07:26
schestowitzwill test and check thingsDec 31 07:26
schestowitzwhoa, 32 CPU coresDec 31 07:26
schestowitzthat's as much as London Town Hall usesDec 31 07:27
schestowitz(we support them)Dec 31 07:27
Ariadnethat blade actually hasDec 31 07:27
Ariadne88 coresDec 31 07:27
schestowitzmost of my PCs have 1 or 2 :-)Dec 31 07:27
Ariadneusing intel CPUs that fell off a truckDec 31 07:27
Ariadnethey are "high security" variant that is not retailDec 31 07:28
Ariadneno ME :)Dec 31 07:28
schestowitzhigh security= no ME? :-DDec 31 07:28
AriadneyesDec 31 07:28
schestowitzhahahaahaDec 31 07:28
schestowitzbeat you to itDec 31 07:28
schestowitzwell, on my machineDec 31 07:28
schestowitzanother machine says you beat me to itDec 31 07:28
schestowitzmilisec apartDec 31 07:29
schestowitzmight now want MEDec 31 07:29
schestowitzgiven what we'll publish soonDec 31 07:29
schestowitz*notDec 31 07:29
Ariadnei don't want x86 at allDec 31 07:29
schestowitzIntel engs are not happyDec 31 07:29
Ariadnenot from intel, not from AMDDec 31 07:29
Ariadneand, i can get x86 CPUs most people cannotDec 31 07:30
schestowitz(software engs)Dec 31 07:30
Ariadnebecause i know the right vendorsDec 31 07:30
Ariadne(these are 'military' intel cpus)Dec 31 07:30
Ariadneand since these are 'fell off a truck' variant of CPUs, there is no microcode or actual support from intelDec 31 07:33
Ariadneon the other hand, there's no malwareDec 31 07:33
Ariadnein the CPUs themselvesDec 31 07:33
schestowitzIt's good we have you with usDec 31 07:33
schestowitzas you seem security-consciousDec 31 07:33
Ariadne(to the extent that x86 itself cannot be considered malware anyway)Dec 31 07:33
schestowitzmany people I am made to work with are using really bad tools. You would not believe...Dec 31 07:34
schestowitzand I'm like, "THIS is why "RUSSIA" keeps "HACKING" things..."Dec 31 07:34
schestowitzno need for back doors or social engineeringDec 31 07:34
schestowitzwhen people email plain text passwords to one another and even worse thingsDec 31 07:34
Ariadnewell, its easier to make the story about the attacker than the incompetence that enabled itDec 31 07:34
schestowitzyeahDec 31 07:35
schestowitzor hold accountable the "HACKERS"Dec 31 07:35
Ariadneeven solarwinds was caused by incompetence (default solarwinds123 password, come the fuck on)Dec 31 07:35
schestowitzIF you can get your hands on themDec 31 07:35
schestowitziirc, solarwings also had passwords on public shithubDec 31 07:35
schestowitz*solarwindsDec 31 07:35
AriadneamazingDec 31 07:35
schestowitzsome people put private keys on thereDec 31 07:35
schestowitzI'm sure a commit will hide that LOLDec 31 07:35
schestowitzremoved, committedDec 31 07:35
schestowitz"pls don't check history" :-)Dec 31 07:36
Ariadnegithub has, thankfully, blacklisted private keys from the code search using some heuristicDec 31 07:37
schestowitztuxmachines-old html]$ du -shDec 31 07:37
Ariadnei'm not a huge fan of github admittedlyDec 31 07:37
schestowitz3.2G    .Dec 31 07:38
schestowitzsame across DCsDec 31 07:38
schestowitzAriadne: some folks quit githubDec 31 07:38
schestowitzit's losing moneyDec 31 07:38
schestowitzif it also uses the userbase and key projects, it's a write-off like NokiaDec 31 07:38
Ariadnei think github's business decision to do business with ICE is unfortunateDec 31 07:38
Techrights-secThat and their people have made it impossible to get anything else.Dec 31 07:39
Techrights-secYou mention military hardware.  Find out what happened to TadpoleDec 31 07:39
Techrights-secafter GD bought it...Dec 31 07:39
Techrights-secGD are microsofters.Dec 31 07:39
Techrights-secx86 is around at all only because of WintelDec 31 07:39
AriadnecorrectDec 31 07:39
Ariadnemilitary is largely still using windows 7, because it was last version to be auditedDec 31 07:40
schestowitzwe'll publish Wintel leaks soonDec 31 07:40
schestowitzmight change your mind about IntelDec 31 07:40
Ariadnewhat is there to change my mind on?Dec 31 07:40
Ariadnei hate intelDec 31 07:40
Ariadnethe blade system i got is intel because that's what was available at the surplus auction i got it fromDec 31 07:41
Ariadnethen i upgraded it with 'fell off the back of a truck' CPUs to get more cores and lose the built-in malwareDec 31 07:41
Ariadnei think the way to get {secure, libre} computing is to use things *other* than x86Dec 31 07:42
schestowitzquick questionDec 31 07:45
schestowitzwere any files added to /var/www/ on the new DC?Dec 31 07:45
Ariadnefor example, it is bullshit that you cannot buy CPUs from Intel which are clean of ME malwareDec 31 07:45
AriadnenoDec 31 07:45
schestowitzmaybe the ls/find format is different, will checkDec 31 07:45
Ariadneony thing i did was modify /etc/fstabDec 31 07:45
Techrights-secThe way to get {secure, libre} computing is to use anything other than x86Dec 31 07:46
Techrights-secIt has been that way for a while.  But now Apple, and probably M$, areDec 31 07:46
Techrights-secusing ARM for DRM'd systems.Dec 31 07:46
Techrights-sec\Dec 31 07:46
Ariadneyeah because ARM CPUs are actually secure :PDec 31 07:46
Ariadnefuck DRM thoDec 31 07:46
AriadneDRM has been a lose-lose for everyoneDec 31 07:47
Ariadneloss for the artists because they make pennies verses just selling a CDDec 31 07:47
Ariadneloss for the user because DRM software is buggyDec 31 07:47
Ariadne(not to mention the libre issues surrounding DRM)Dec 31 07:47
schestowitzturns out tuxmachines made no local db backups (only remote) since late OctDec 31 07:52
Techrights-secIntel ended up getting a free pass on the speculative execution scandal.Dec 31 07:53
Techrights-secIt should have been raked over the coals for cheating likeDec 31 07:53
Techrights-secVW and Audi were for the emissions cheating, if nothing else.Dec 31 07:53
Techrights-secHowever, the Intel cheating opened up several *classes* of hardware bugs.Dec 31 07:53
Techrights-secAlso, I wondered why Larry Ellison killed off sparc.  He could have madeDec 31 07:53
Techrights-secmoney from it to the exclusion of his competitor M$.Dec 31 07:53
AriadneSPARC has ... a lot of problems architecturallyDec 31 07:53
Ariadneregister windows are yuckDec 31 07:53
Ariadneschestowitz: let me know when you're ready to shift trafficDec 31 07:56
schestowitztesting local backup of TM on new DCDec 31 07:56
schestowitzAriadne: is the nameserver on your turf? I forgot...Dec 31 07:57
Ariadnenameserver for?Dec 31 07:57
schestowitz[07:56] <Ariadne> schestowitz: let me know when you're ready to shift trafficDec 31 07:57
Ariadneits notDec 31 07:57
schestowitzOK, so maybe you meant redirection IP address?Dec 31 07:57
schestowitzredirectingDec 31 07:57
AriadneyesDec 31 07:58
schestowitzahaDec 31 07:58
Ariadnechanging the DNSDec 31 07:58
schestowitzlet me check a bit moreDec 31 07:58
schestowitzcan you change dns at your end or do I need to contact registrar/host?Dec 31 07:58
schestowitzas long as we add nothing new I suppose  we can switch back and forth without riskDec 31 07:58
Ariadnei dont have any DNS control over these domainsDec 31 07:58
schestowitzeach DC for TM has its own DB, except for galleryDec 31 07:59
Ariadnecan you message me the info for techrightsDec 31 07:59
Ariadneso i can start syncing thatDec 31 07:59
schestowitzsureDec 31 08:02
schestowitzit's the same Dec 31 08:02
schestowitzexact sameDec 31 08:02
schestowitzmaybe I should have not said that publiclyDec 31 08:02
schestowitzbut only in case one gets pwnedDec 31 08:02
schestowitzwe ought to change those sometimes, but then need to coordinate changes across teamDec 31 08:02
schestowitzif you sync filesystem of TR, it should be safe in the changes senseDec 31 08:03
Ariadnethat is my thoughtDec 31 08:03
schestowitzthe DB won't changeDec 31 08:03
Ariadnei want to sync the FS over initiallyDec 31 08:03
Ariadnethen we can pick up later in the afternoonDec 31 08:03
schestowitzI'm not sure if you rsynced before or after adding today's IRC transparency posting, but we can manually merge that in later, it's just IRC logsDec 31 08:04
schestowitzthe logs themselves were uploaded 4 hours ago, to the file systemDec 31 08:04
schestowitzno posts in TR todayDec 31 08:04
schestowitzit's holiday anywayDec 31 08:04
schestowitzleaks are not time-sensitiveDec 31 08:04
schestowitzand sources wanted them delayed a bitDec 31 08:05
schestowitzhence "January"Dec 31 08:05
schestowitzthe local DB backup has been successfulDec 31 08:06
schestowitzfaster than on the older server, as one might expectDec 31 08:06
schestowitzI support it's down to I/O speed rather than CPUDec 31 08:06
schestowitzunless we gzip it, which we doDec 31 08:06
schestowitzso after migration the download in the backup windows ought to be shorted, used to be minutes longDec 31 08:06
schestowitzoh, btwDec 31 08:08
Ariadneinitial sync in progressDec 31 08:08
Ariadneyeah the I/O is a lot better on this machineDec 31 08:08
schestowitzany way to easily add ssl to it or only after containerising?Dec 31 08:08
schestowitzbecause now it can be down without downtime risksDec 31 08:08
AriadneSAN into 48G infinibandDec 31 08:08
Ariadnewe'll do ssl when we rebuild everything on alpineDec 31 08:08
schestowitzI have tested site aggregation, now testing login and adminDec 31 08:08
Ariadnei dont want to push my luck with this too hard :)Dec 31 08:09
schestowitz"Migration of tuxmachines in progress. This is a test comment."Dec 31 08:11
schestowitzthere was a slight ddos on techrights just nowDec 31 08:15
schestowitzhammering the usual heavy pages, to block access by legit visitorsDec 31 08:15
schestowitzI had tmux conflicts with another user, I think ;-)Dec 31 08:15
schestowitzno locking mechanismsDec 31 08:15
Ariadnewhen we switch to nginx that will not be a thing anymoreDec 31 08:15
schestowitzcoolDec 31 08:16
schestowitzOK, so far it looks like all is goodDec 31 08:16
schestowitzI have a queryDec 31 08:16
schestowitzwhen I run dfDec 31 08:16
schestowitzit shows, as non-root (when running it), just one lineDec 31 08:16
AriadneyeahDec 31 08:16
Ariadneits due to containerDec 31 08:16
schestowitzI am not sure how to interpret it, but I assume it inherits space from the host OSDec 31 08:16
AriadnecorrectDec 31 08:16
schestowitzOK, coolDec 31 08:17
schestowitzthe backup works, let me do a test post (not just comment)Dec 31 08:17
Ariadne/dev/vda3              1003.5G     59.7G    943.8G   6% /var/lib/lxcDec 31 08:17
schestowitzlater I can compare all the files in there and do random fuzzing about to ensure nothing is missingDec 31 08:17
Ariadnethis is the one you need to keep an eye onDec 31 08:17
schestowitzwhoa, a terabyteDec 31 08:17
schestowitzgood for large videosDec 31 08:17
Ariadnethe SAN array has 96TB capacityDec 31 08:18
Ariadnethough some of that is already spoken for, if you find yourself needing more than 1TB we can always grow the volumeDec 31 08:21
Ariadne:PDec 31 08:21
Ariadnethere's 24 HGST 8TB 15krpm drives in RAID-10 :)Dec 31 08:22
AriadneSAS :DDec 31 08:22
schestowitzI know i should not post a link with IPDec 31 08:22
schestowitzin case it changes in the future Dec 31 08:22
schestowitzbut...Dec 31 08:22
schestowitzhttp:// 31 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- | Migrating TuxMachines to a Bigger Server | Tux MachinesDec 31 08:23
schestowitzthis seems to work wellDec 31 08:23
Ariadnethose ips are subject to change anywayDec 31 08:23
schestowitzI encountered no issues logging in, posting comment, posting a blog post, tuxGallery works OK, backup works OKDec 31 08:23
schestowitzI guess if I request DNS change there is nothign to loseDec 31 08:23
schestowitzwe can roll back while DNS downstream is in flux stillDec 31 08:24
schestowitzbut all looks good so farDec 31 08:24
schestowitzAriadne: should I request DNS change?Dec 31 08:24
schestowitz(like, now)Dec 31 08:24
AriadneyesDec 31 08:24
Ariadnego for itDec 31 08:24
Ariadnetechrights is syncing initialDec 31 08:25
Ariadnethis is going to take a while it seemsDec 31 08:25
Ariadne128k inodes on disk to checkDec 31 08:25
schestowitz2005 :-) 31 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- | Mandrake's Clustering Again | Tux MachinesDec 31 08:25
Ariadnei think moving to xfs will boost performance tooDec 31 08:27
Ariadneext4 is not particularly known for performanceDec 31 08:27
Ariadneand tuxmachines was ext3 (!)Dec 31 08:27
schestowitzthe DNS should just point to server IP, correct?Dec 31 08:28
AriadneyesDec 31 08:28
Ariadnei am building a DNS infrastructure for some of my other peopleDec 31 08:29
Ariadnebut its not ready yetDec 31 08:29
schestowitzThe nameserver remains the sameDec 31 08:29
schestowitztessier had his own nameserversDec 31 08:29
Ariadneyeah i intend to set up an anycast constellationDec 31 08:29
Ariadnebut the old DC's customer list got dumped in my lapDec 31 08:30
Ariadneso i've been busy working on migrating them out or handing them off to people who are better suitedDec 31 08:30
schestowitzNS5.CATALYST2.NETDec 31 08:30
schestowitz84.18.207.222Dec 31 08:30
schestowitzNS6.CATALYST2.NETDec 31 08:31
schestowitz185.28.164.100Dec 31 08:31
Ariadneits unfortunate that the owner got ejected through a windshieldDec 31 08:31
Ariadnehe was a cool dudeDec 31 08:31
Ariadneoh wellDec 31 08:32
schestowitzafter the linsux incident they'd ask more questionsDec 31 08:34
schestowitzsent messageDec 31 08:35
schestowitzwill contact them in real-time chat nowDec 31 08:35
schestowitz"Dec 31 08:39
schestowitzHiHow can we helpI have just created #JGB-920-36560this is urgent, it's just DNS changeI can verify identity and all over phone/email/pgp or uploading code to the existing active siteSure no problem. Ive got the ticket and will update the DNS asapthank youwe worked all morning testing the two are working the same, the new one has more capcityhttp:// "Migrating TuxMachines to a Bigger Server"Dec 31 08:39
schestowitzMigrating TuxMachines to a Bigger ServerDec 31 08:39
schestowitzK no worries. Shouldnt take longer that 10 mins to make the switchDec 31 08:39
schestowitz"Dec 31 08:39
schestowitzthat was faster than the last timeDec 31 08:39
Ariadneah, kayakoDec 31 08:40
Ariadnei have unpleasant memories of that softwareDec 31 08:40
schestowitzhow do you know it's kayako?Dec 31 08:40
schestowitzJGB?Dec 31 08:41
schestowitz"Cheers, thanks for the prompt response"Dec 31 08:41
schestowitzoh, you can see what else is hosted on there 31 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WHOIS Search, Domain Name, Website, and IP Tools - Who.isDec 31 08:42
Ariadnethe ticket id formatDec 31 08:43
schestowitzthat's what I guessed Dec 31 08:43
Ariadnedoing second rsync run on techrightsDec 31 08:43
schestowitzit doesn't even name that software anywhereDec 31 08:43
schestowitzcool, AriadneDec 31 08:44
Ariadneand a thirdDec 31 08:44
AriadneokDec 31 08:45
Ariadneat this point its just syncing logsDec 31 08:45
Ariadnelets take 5Dec 31 08:47
Ariadneat this point even if they pulled the plug at midnight on jan 1Dec 31 08:47
Ariadnewe have all dataDec 31 08:47
Ariadneand can just boot upDec 31 08:47
schestowitzah, I think I got it... so files are shown differently across new and oldDec 31 08:50
schestowitzmaybe because find and du and stuff sort by inodeDec 31 08:50
schestowitzI was trying to understand why totals were differentDec 31 08:50
schestowitzahaDec 31 08:51
schestowitzfilesystems diffs?Dec 31 08:51
schestowitzone is ext3Dec 31 08:51
schestowitzand the new one is not?Dec 31 08:51
schestowitzso block sizes changedDec 31 08:51
AriadneokDec 31 08:51
Ariadnegoing to boot up techrights on .116Dec 31 08:51
schestowitzpermissions were kept the same and dates in the FS as wellDec 31 08:52
schestowitzAriadne: coolDec 31 08:52
schestowitzbrb, 10 minsDec 31 08:52
Ariadnetechrights came upDec 31 08:53
AriadnecoolDec 31 08:53
Ariadnesomehow systemd was more pleasantDec 31 08:53
Ariadnekick the tires on .116Dec 31 08:55
Ariadnemake sure its all goodDec 31 08:55
Ariadnethen switch that DNS too :)Dec 31 08:55
Ariadnewhen i wake up, i'll start DBAN on the old serverDec 31 08:55
schestowitzok, I am backDec 31 09:07
schestowitzI will need IBAN tooDec 31 09:08
schestowitzso we can pay youDec 31 09:08
*schestowitz starts testingDec 31 09:08
schestowitzOK, traffic is starting to trickle in (into the new server)Dec 31 09:15
schestowitzmy ISP's DNS is still out of date, or maybe systemd is caching dnsDec 31 09:15
psydroid<Techrights-sec "Also, I wondered why Larry Ellis"> They invested in Ampere and are moving their cloud operations to servers with the new Altra processors, so they are technically moving from SPARC to ARM as Fujitsu didDec 31 09:16
schestowitzAriadne: so far all looks good on techrights as wellDec 31 09:29
schestowitzthis is a test to see if the DNS/address at the bot side has rolled over 31 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )Dec 31 09:35
schestowitzno, not yetDec 31 09:36
schestowitzit has on my ISPDec 31 09:36
schestowitzso too early to link to new posts in tuxmachinesDec 31 09:36
schestowitzAriadne: just under a week ago href told me after hardware issue he should be able to bring back online... by "eve"Dec 31 09:36
schestowitzso that's todayDec 31 09:36
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schestowitzAriadne: status report very goodDec 31 10:23
schestowitzall files seem in tact, DB also, permission etc.Dec 31 10:23
schestowitzif you're still around it will be safer (in case of rollbacks) to initiate domain (DNS) updates for the 3 domains pointing to TRDec 31 10:24
scienteswith steam it is much harder to know if a game works with wine/LinuxDec 31 10:45
scientesnobody is updating the winehq anymoreDec 31 10:45
schestowitzso is it just out of date?Dec 31 10:46
schestowitzand then people rely on proton's proprietary DBDec 31 10:46
schestowitz?Dec 31 10:46
scientesyeah, and new apps are not in thereDec 31 10:46
schestowitzmaybe steam (valve) will do an apple-on-cups on wineDec 31 10:47
schestowitzI think they already work with codeweaversDec 31 10:47
schestowitzmaybe also colaboraDec 31 10:47
schestowitz*llDec 31 10:47
scientescollaboraDec 31 10:47
scientesand NOT codeweaversDec 31 10:48
scienteslike there is no tropico 6 here 31 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WineHQ - TropicoDec 31 10:48
scientesbut it clearly works, according to this fork of wine 31 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - varmd/wine-wayland: Wine-wayland allows playing DX9/DX11 and Vulkan games using pure wayland and Wine/DXVK.Dec 31 10:49
scientesschestowitz, GOG is also releasing wine titles, so I think they are using proton to do thatDec 31 10:50
scientesor maybe i am just confusedDec 31 10:51
GNUmoonLinux Today promoting M$ Teams for Linux... 31 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linuxtoday: How to Install Microsoft Teams on Linux #LinuxDec 31 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | Linux Today - How to Install Microsoft Teams on LinuxDec 31 11:20
GNUmoonMozilla promoting Apple's good intentions ... 31 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla Foundation - Apple’s anti-tracking plans for iPhoneDec 31 11:21
GNUmoonWhat's the world coming too ;)Dec 31 11:22
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schestowitzlolDec 31 11:27
schestowitzwell, you answered your own questionDec 31 11:27
GNUmoonThe rush for cash at the expensive of user and societal freedom is disappointing, but not surprising.Dec 31 11:31
psydroidI guess at this point it's all about a mistaken attempt self-preservation for Mozilla, but I'm wondering about all those other companies that are so dependent on advertising income and selling out the user (as far as those users aren't already doing so themselves)Dec 31 11:36
schestowitzBTWDec 31 11:41
schestowitzMozilla and Apple-wise... it's not newsDec 31 11:41
schestowitzTechrights was in arguments with them over iPod promotion ages agoDec 31 11:41
schestowitzwe have some Mozilla comments in the siteDec 31 11:41
schestowitzthey have long had many Apple fans among their staffDec 31 11:41
schestowitzas for Linux Today, same thingDec 31 11:41
schestowitzthey occasionally helped Mono and Novell agendaDec 31 11:42
schestowitzthis one somehow slipped inDec 31 11:42
schestowitzPhoronix has long promoted monoDec 31 11:42
schestowitzmore than 10 yearsDec 31 11:42
schestowitzit's not like Groklaw as shilling Microsoft, though occasionally PJ was a bit of an Apple apologistDec 31 11:42
schestowitzand she used a "Mac" too (part of the time)Dec 31 11:43
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psydroidI don't see the appeal of Apple devices, but it looks like people convinced themselves of a need for them many years agoDec 31 11:46
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schestowitzwe're not changing DNS for techrightsDec 31 12:03
schestowitz*nowDec 31 12:03
schestowitzfor all 3 domains that lead to itDec 31 12:03
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schestowitzso far the migration is going smoothlyDec 31 12:15
schestowitzand the sites are becoming faster because of the superior chipsDec 31 12:15
schestowitzI don't think we need the pane for htop now that we have nmon with graphs, correct? waste of space...Dec 31 12:20
schestowitzoopsDec 31 12:20
schestowitzwrong channelDec 31 12:20
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DaemonFC[m]It is making less and less sense for Gecko to continue as a rendering engine.Dec 31 14:25
DaemonFC[m]I don't think it will for long. They already have horrendous web compatibility bugs and they fired the people who could have fixed them.Dec 31 14:25
DaemonFC[m]It has fewer users than "Legacy Edge" did when Microsoft gave up.Dec 31 14:25
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Don't you love stock images?Dec 31 14:42
DaemonFC[m]The same one used for a "USCIS immigration interview" is now on Fox News as "couple meeting with mortgage lender".Dec 31 14:43
DaemonFC[m]At least there wasn't any "head surgery". Maybe in Fox News for Poles. Dec 31 14:43
DaemonFC[m]Fox has ratcheted up their coverage of "blacks committing crimes" lately, I've noticed.Dec 31 14:48
DaemonFC[m]Covered by Ring doorbells and stuff.Dec 31 14:48
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schestowitzracism comes when the rich are stealingDec 31 14:50
schestowitzand then need to distract the "unwashed masses"Dec 31 14:50
schestowitzmaybe the MSM will soon tell people to take down some more "racist" statuesDec 31 14:50
schestowitzand then there will be a national uproar about something-thats-not-wealth-transferDec 31 14:50
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DaemonFC[m]The comments section is why I go there. Things like people suggesting that the US is "ahead of the Paris accord in CO2 goals".Dec 31 14:51
DaemonFC[m](because of economic collapse maybe, for now)Dec 31 14:51
DaemonFC[m]Then they say "Our great entrepreneurs have beaten the goals set by politicians.".Dec 31 14:52
DaemonFC[m]Of course, they went to the bankruptcy court and now they produce fewer emissions.Dec 31 14:52
DaemonFC[m]The tragicomedy is that the people making these comments don't seem to realize, or care, that the US has turned positively Orwellian.Dec 31 14:55
DaemonFC[m]Even to the point of dumping most of the productivity of the real economy into unproductive wars.Dec 31 14:55
schestowitzTR traffic now a ratio of about 2:1    new:old   serverDec 31 14:56
DaemonFC[m]Not just to feed the oligarchy, but to keep people from getting so comfortable that they can enjoy the result of their labor.Dec 31 14:56
schestowitzLater on I will merge in the 'missing' (from new) IRC blog postDec 31 14:56
DaemonFC[m]The economic cost to wars in the past 20 years is now fully a third of the entire federal debt.Dec 31 14:56
DaemonFC[m]If the government had handed it out as cash, each citizen would have gotten a check for over $15,000.Dec 31 14:57
DaemonFC[m]Instead we got two dumpster fires in the middle east that Trump is wrapping up with surrender documents to the Taliban and the same sort of "cutting and running" we were told for almost 20 years that we simply could not do because it would embolden our enemies.Dec 31 14:58
DaemonFC[m]Does anyone remember that? When Fox News said that we couldn't cut an run while the Taliban and others were still around?Dec 31 14:58
DaemonFC[m]They control 2/3rds of the land area of Afghanistan and they're in the government that we set up, and if anyone doesn't think that they'll use our absence to start gaining power and influence in the government, or just overthrow the government if they can't take it over, they're on bad drugs/Dec 31 14:59
DaemonFC[m]But people like my dad won't hear any of it.Dec 31 14:59
DaemonFC[m]Pretty soon the situation in Afghanistan will be as bad as it was before we did anything. It's not much better now.Dec 31 15:00
DaemonFC[m]The Soviets couldn't get these groups under control. We couldn't either, but we continue meddling.Dec 31 15:01
DaemonFC[m]And that's what the bill the Senate will be overriding tomorrow continues squandering our national wealth to do.Dec 31 15:02
DaemonFC[m]It'll be somewhere else, it always is, but you never win.Dec 31 15:02
DaemonFC[m]Even with all of this fancy crap laying around, you don't win, even against savages. Dec 31 15:02
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: In one of the later episodes of The Man in the High Castle, one of the Nazis reporting to Smith on the status of the alt-world says "America somehow became a superpower and is about to fight a war in Asia. The Americans have vastly superior technology and will win quickly.".Dec 31 15:04
Ariadne[08:56] <schestowitz> TR traffic now a ratio of about 2:1    new:old   serverDec 31 15:04
DaemonFC[m]It was so bad you had to groan at the mere idea because that hasn't worked several times now.Dec 31 15:04
Ariadnegreat!  let me know once the load is shed so i can start wiping old machineDec 31 15:04
Ariadnebecause i have no idea what will happen with the equipment.  i believe the estate plans to liquidate it allDec 31 15:05
schestowitzthis is sadDec 31 15:05
Ariadnei think the main advantages for speed is the use of xfs and more ram for cache Dec 31 15:08
Ariadnempm_preform is still problematic Dec 31 15:08
Ariadneprefork Dec 31 15:08
Ariadneeven Dec 31 15:08
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schestowitznew server had already done 40gb of traffic for techrights it saysDec 31 15:30
schestowitzin a matter of hours the old techrights server probably would get just scrapsDec 31 15:31
schestowitzwhen we moved from tessier's DC to the other one I think that even after 3 days we saw some traffic on the old, but mostly botsDec 31 15:31
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schestowitzwe've just transitioned bulletin+ipfs to cron job (fully automated)Dec 31 15:49
schestowitzHaving tested things manually or audited output (human operator) for 1.5 months now, we’ve just transitioned to full automation for techrights bulletin and ipfs updates – will check logs hours later just to ensure no obvious errors encountered (cron jobs)Dec 31 15:49
schestowitzvZS1 was right.. Expansion to Tier 4 here as wellDec 31 15:51
schestowitzand BirminghamDec 31 15:51
schestowitzsoon nationwide?Dec 31 15:51
schestowitzhe said boxing dayDec 31 15:53
schestowitzjust 5 days apartDec 31 15:53
schestowitzonly 3 places left in tier 3 Dec 31 15:54
schestowitzinc. bristol surprisingly enoughDec 31 15:54
schestowitzWTH? Almost all of England now instructed to stay home (Tier 4). Even places where the number of COVID positives isn’t high at all. Dec 31 15:58
schestowitzit is lower than average hereDec 31 15:58
schestowitzI don't suppose we're back to the gym Jan 9th as scheduled/planned (for reopening)Dec 31 16:02
scientesschestowitz, that wget | bash problem is why I don't run archlinuxDec 31 16:06
scientesdespite it having quite a bit of traction these daysDec 31 16:06
scientesthey use to not even sign their packagesDec 31 16:06
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schestowitzscientes: signing is one thingDec 31 16:53
schestowitzauditing is anotherDec 31 16:53
scientesyes, they do not auditDec 31 16:53
schestowitzor a combination of other thingsDec 31 16:53
scientesthat is why I don't use archDec 31 16:53
scientesthere is no bias against non-free stuffDec 31 16:53
scientesso it infects the archiveDec 31 16:53
schestowitzquality of something cannot be based on a digital signature alone for authenticyDec 31 16:54
schestowitzit can be authentic and rogue at the same timeDec 31 16:54
schestowitzlike Windows isDec 31 16:54
scientesnon-free stuff has taken down many distributionsDec 31 16:54
scientes(include Ubuntu in some ways)Dec 31 16:54
schestowitzsabayon renamedDec 31 16:54
schestowitzrecentlyDec 31 16:54
scientesand is a big reason that Debian has lasted as long as it hasDec 31 16:54
schestowitztons of blobs there, iirc Dec 31 16:54
schestowitzubuntu=snap=skype, spotify...Dec 31 16:54
schestowitzthis is not what I switched to gnu for 20+ years agoDec 31 16:55
schestowitzI don't want "Cheap mac"Dec 31 16:55
scienteshahahaDec 31 16:55
scientesthe canonical people are mac fanboysDec 31 16:55
scientesthey did some cool stuff in the early daysDec 31 16:55
scienteslike actually do user testing on interfacesDec 31 16:56
schestowitzHIG they call it?Dec 31 17:09
schestowitzall that template for ux thing?Dec 31 17:09
schestowitz"ux"... there's a piece of hype for youDec 31 17:09
schestowitzthey used to call it uiDec 31 17:09
schestowitzthen x factor addedDec 31 17:09
schestowitzue does not sound as exciting and edgeDec 31 17:09
schestowitzuser eXperienceDec 31 17:10
schestowitzI don't always get itDec 31 17:10
schestowitzsometimes I do, sometimes I don'tDec 31 17:10
schestowitzthey made it seem or feel like a scienceDec 31 17:10
schestowitzthe "data science" BS (neo-BS) similarlyDec 31 17:10
schestowitzwhat next, "The Art of Community"? (Jono Bacon)Dec 31 17:10
schestowitzManagement as an "art"?!Dec 31 17:10
schestowitzwhich brush, boss?Dec 31 17:11
schestowitzoh, yeah, THAT brushDec 31 17:11
schestowitzbrush me up, sir, ooooh I like itDec 31 17:11
schestowitzyou're such an artist bosssDec 31 17:11
scientesif Turkey invaded Georgia today, I don't think anyone would noticeDec 31 17:22
MinceR:>Dec 31 17:25
scientesthere are so many loud explosions outsideDec 31 17:27
MinceRyeah, lots of barbarians with (illegal) explosives on a day when it is traditional to bother other people with explosives => lots of loud explosionsDec 31 17:29
MinceRi hate living in a cityDec 31 17:29
schestowitzVery important new post: Dec 31 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Alexandre Oliva: Happier GNU Year! | TechrightsDec 31 17:52
scienteswow after getting use to 4K, switching back to 1080p fonts looks like shitDec 31 17:55
Ariadnelooks like almost all traffic has been shedDec 31 17:55
Ariadnescientes: 4K vs 1080p is the difference between me getting a migraine in a couple of hours of use or not at allDec 31 17:56
schestowitzAriadne: for techrights, not so much for tuxmachinesDec 31 17:57
schestowitz1.7 reqs/secDec 31 17:57
schestowitzfor the older oneDec 31 17:57
schestowitzin the meantime I barely link to the sites, to avoid people going the wrong wayDec 31 17:57
scientesAriadne, and they still sell 768p monitors on laptopsDec 31 17:58
Ariadnetechrights is shed yesDec 31 17:59
Ariadnetuxmachines i think needs a little bit more time but almost thereDec 31 17:59
Ariadnescientes: low-res LCD monitors are hell for nearsighted peopleDec 31 18:00
scientes???Dec 31 18:01
scientesyou just mean people that can actually see?Dec 31 18:01
MinceRapparently explosions weren't enough, because the kiddie-fuckers started ringing bellsDec 31 18:01
Ariadnemaybe i mean farsightedDec 31 18:02
Ariadnei forgetDec 31 18:02
Ariadneeither way, looking at low res lcd panels is tiringDec 31 18:02
Ariadnefor me :PDec 31 18:02
scientescan you see the screen without glasses?Dec 31 18:04
Ariadneyes, but i get eyestrain with low res panels :)Dec 31 18:05
scientesok near-sightedDec 31 18:05
Ariadneprobably need glasses soonDec 31 18:05
scientesyou should go, it is included in obamacare, and buy glasses at zenni.comDec 31 18:06
scientesits pretty straight-forwardDec 31 18:06
scientesglasses makes outside much less strain, just because of the UV blockDec 31 18:06
Ariadnei don't have obamacare, i use the indian health service ( 31 18:07
scientesoh in india is should all be easyDec 31 18:07
Ariadneindian health service is a US program for indigenous peopleDec 31 18:07
scientesjust in the rich-ass countries you have to avoid the italian mobDec 31 18:07
Ariadnehas nothing to do with indiaDec 31 18:07
scientesthat controls so much of the glasses businessDec 31 18:08
scientesoh first nationsDec 31 18:08
scientesmuch better termDec 31 18:08
scientesi guess you wait .gobDec 31 18:08
scientesbut stillDec 31 18:08
scientes*saidDec 31 18:08
scientesanyways, you have to avoid the italian mobDec 31 18:09
XRevan86scientes: Unless used internationally, then it breaks.Dec 31 18:09
scientesso you have to make sure they give you your proscription, and don't buy glasses from the person who does the examDec 31 18:09
XRevan86Both break.Dec 31 18:09
scientesXRevan86, really? probably just russiaDec 31 18:09
scientes 31 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The White HouseDec 31 18:10
scientesworks fineDec 31 18:10
scientes^^and techrights bot is not in US eitherDec 31 18:10
Ariadneyes it isDec 31 18:10
XRevan86scientes: I mean that "first nations" is a very territory specific term.Dec 31 18:10
Ariadneit also needs to be moved to the new VM :PDec 31 18:11
scientesXRevan86, american first nationsDec 31 18:11
scientesanyways, its what canada uses, and it is better than indian for obvious territory-specific-term-reasonsDec 31 18:11
Ariadnei agreeDec 31 18:11
Ariadnebut i also like to refer to things as what they are actually causedDec 31 18:12
scientesyesDec 31 18:12
Ariadneanyway, if you're indigenous, you get socialised medicine in the USDec 31 18:12
XRevan86Yea, "Indian" is about a different people on the other side of the globe.Dec 31 18:12
Ariadneif you're not, have fun with obamacareDec 31 18:12
Ariadne;)Dec 31 18:12
scientesAriadne, I left the US almost 2 years agoDec 31 18:12
Ariadneobamacare bronze plan $399 per monthDec 31 18:12
Ariadnefuck THATDec 31 18:12
Ariadneschestowitz: traffic is very low now, i'll give it another 2 hours and start DBAN on the old machine.  sound goodDec 31 18:13
scienteshealthcare is totally broken in the US, except as you say Indian and VeterensDec 31 18:13
Ariadne?Dec 31 18:13
AriadneVA has a lot of problems tooDec 31 18:14
Ariadneso does IHSDec 31 18:14
Ariadnethey're all broken in different waysDec 31 18:14
scientesof course, when it is all split up like that politics to improve it is impossibleDec 31 18:14
Ariadneobamacare is really broken thoughDec 31 18:14
scientesit is unhinged from the cultureDec 31 18:14
schestowitz[18:13] <Ariadne> schestowitz: traffic is very low now, i'll give it another 2 hours and start DBAN on the old machine.  sound goodDec 31 18:15
Ariadnefor an obamacare plan you'd actually want to useDec 31 18:15
schestowitzmaybe another day or two?Dec 31 18:15
Ariadneit is like $500 a monthDec 31 18:15
schestowitzI want to check the script changes and stuffDec 31 18:15
Ariadneschestowitz: i have no idea what happens come midnightDec 31 18:15
schestowitzthere's more to it than just apacheDec 31 18:15
schestowitzoh, I seeDec 31 18:15
scientesAriadne, 31 18:16
schestowitzyou worry it might go offline with data on itDec 31 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ClubOrlov: Hunger InsuranceDec 31 18:16
AriadnecorrectDec 31 18:16
schestowitzso I'll do lots of testingDec 31 18:16
schestowitzlots and lotsDec 31 18:16
Ariadnescientes: basically yeahDec 31 18:16
Ariadnethey should make health insurance illegalDec 31 18:17
scientesAriadne, anyways when I was in the US I didn't work because people just steal it allDec 31 18:17
Ariadneit is basically responsible for creating the problem we are inDec 31 18:17
Ariadnehospitals charge what they charge because health insurance negotiates it downDec 31 18:18
scientesso I was refering to the baseline obamacare, which was the entire purpose of the thing---to prevent those without anything from getting together and going around the US government pyramid schemeDec 31 18:18
scientesI only saw the purpose of working once I left the USDec 31 18:19
scientesseriouslyDec 31 18:19
scientestoo many robbers in the USDec 31 18:19
scientesthey call themselves the governmentDec 31 18:19
CrystalMathscientes: where did you move to?Dec 31 18:21
MinceRwhich government does not consist of robbers?Dec 31 18:23
scientesMinceR, ahh, you make a great pointDec 31 18:23
scientesCrystalMath, initially I was in South America, but arbitrage of working on the internet has its limits of courseDec 31 18:24
DaemonFC[m]The hell of being consigned to paperwork continues.Dec 31 18:25
DaemonFC[m]I spoke with some lawyers who at least gave me some free legal advice about our case.Dec 31 18:25
DaemonFC[m]They told me how to "hack" the paperwork to boost our calculable income by $4,396 for the year.Dec 31 18:26
*schestowitz switches bots over to new serverDec 31 18:28
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TechrightsBot-trHello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77Dec 31 18:34
schestowitzyay, no headaches on this oneDec 31 18:35
schestowitz3 more to goDec 31 18:35
schestowitzAriadne: tuxmachines traffic dying down too now, I'm speeding up what I canDec 31 18:38
schestowitzI hope we have some spare backups of things just in case, aside from DB backups.Dec 31 18:39
schestowitzlike... just in cases one RAID goes bonkersDec 31 18:39
cybrNautMS had a patent on a butt hinge with butt straps, briefly => 31 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why would Microsoft patent a 'butt hinge with butt straps'? | Network WorldDec 31 18:48
schestowitzBack when IDG still publicised newsDec 31 18:51
schestowitznow it's a spam engineDec 31 18:51
schestowitzcompanies pay itDec 31 18:51
schestowitzand then this chinese-owned IDG posts spam for themDec 31 18:51
schestowitzit is really embarrassing Dec 31 18:51
schestowitzeven sponsors realise it's not worth it anymoreDec 31 18:51
schestowitzso they go to zdnetDec 31 18:52
schestowitzwhile it lastsDec 31 18:52
schestowitzpeople won't stand zdnet for much longerDec 31 18:52
schestowitzthen they'll use their sister site techrepublic until its reputation too is deadDec 31 18:52
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schestowitzvZS1: hiDec 31 19:19
vZS1HelloDec 31 19:19
schestowitz[15:49] <schestowitz> we've just transitioned bulletin+ipfs to cron job (fully automated)Dec 31 19:21
schestowitz[15:49] <schestowitz> Having tested things manually or audited output (human operator) for 1.5 months now, we’ve just transitioned to full automation for techrights bulletin and ipfs updates – will check logs hours later just to ensure no obvious errors encountered (cron jobs)Dec 31 19:21
schestowitz[15:51] <schestowitz> vZS1 was right.. Expansion to Tier 4 here as wellDec 31 19:21
vZS1Wish I wasn't. But here we areDec 31 19:26
CrystalMathgotta protect amazon's record profitsDec 31 19:27
AriadnecoolDec 31 19:33
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DaemonFC[m]USCIS is changing more of their policies.Dec 31 19:50
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DaemonFC[m]Old policy: You could sponsor an immigrant if you are currently on a means-tested public benefit, as long as the immigrant isn't. / New policy: If you have used a means-tested public benefit within the last 36 months, you can't sponsor an immigrant. Dec 31 19:51
DaemonFC[m]That's not finalized yet. They didn't propose the rule until October 28th, so it couldn't take effect until the end of April.Dec 31 19:51
DaemonFC[m]I don't think that Biden is going to continue pursuing this. Catholic Charities legal clinic posted an article that says they expect that Biden will rollback most of Trump's changes quickly and freeze the ones that haven't taken effect.Dec 31 19:52
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DaemonFC[m]The Chinese government throwing its weight behind Linux makes a lot of sense. The US government mentions Chinese companies, Lenovo by name, as potentially putting Chinese backdoors into American computers. As if there was nothing they could do about that.Dec 31 20:02
DaemonFC[m]But they don't mention that the US government puts backdoors into Microsoft stuff, which is a lot nastier than a BIOS that just boots the computer to an operating system.Dec 31 20:02
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DaemonFC[m]The US Office of Foreign Asset Control could demand that importers prove their stuff isn't hardware backdoored and stop it from coming into the country.Dec 31 20:03
DaemonFC[m]But China didn't take an active interest in getting rid of Windows for years. They just sort of waited until Microsoft started black screening most of the (pirate) copies they were letting slide for over a decade in order to build dependency.Dec 31 20:04
DaemonFC[m]OFAC's sanctions actually do cause headaches even for foreign officials who think they're beyond its reach.Dec 31 20:05
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DaemonFC[m]Oh my god...Dec 31 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Well, the Catholic Charities legal advice and the Instructions for I-864 from USCIS conflict.Dec 31 20:16
DaemonFC[m]Catholic legal clinic says fill out an I-864A if you need your spouse's income to count, and Instructions for I-864 from USCIS says you don't have to as long as they are not bringing kids they want to sponsor and that their income will still count for the household. Dec 31 20:17
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DaemonFC[m]I'm just going to do what USCIS instructions say to do.Dec 31 20:22
DaemonFC[m]Anything else would probably complicate things and piss off whichever officer has to look over this packet.Dec 31 20:22
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I suppose it couldn't hurt to list assets.Dec 31 20:52
DaemonFC[m]A lot of discouragement from doing that for some reason.Dec 31 20:52
DaemonFC[m]The Catholic legal CLINIC says it's not heavily weighted, but in my opinion if you're having some trouble showing income but you can show that you were responsible enough to amass considerable savings, then it might move the needle.Dec 31 20:54
DaemonFC[m]"But in reality, assets are seldom used to satisfy the income requirement.  Remember that they must be “significant” and able to be converted into cash within one year.  This boils down to money in a bank account, stocks or bonds, and the value of any real estate.  With housing values rebounding, this last alternative is the most popular.  Although the agency’s policy is to require certified real estate appraisDec 31 21:04
DaemonFC[m]have seen a lot of cases where the sponsor submitted one obtained from the Internet."Dec 31 21:04
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, immigration is stricter than bankruptcy. For the Kia I only had to approximate its value so I listed the year and mileage and the options it had on it, and the private party value that was listed by Edmunds. Dec 31 21:04
scientesXRevan86, I've realized that software people generally do not know what they are talking aboutDec 31 21:07
scientesand the problem is that no-one really has any grasp of what is goingDec 31 21:08
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DaemonFC[m]Least of all at Microsoft.Dec 31 21:09
DaemonFC[m]This UWP platform is mostly independent of Win32, but the idea that they want to market something else that only does UWP can only end in disaster.Dec 31 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Many of the applications in the Windows store are Desktop Bridge programs that use Win32, so without that you can't even really call it Windows.Dec 31 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Someone else at Microsoft admitted it was a mistake to do a red line between the APIs and they want to make UWP APIs available to all applications.Dec 31 21:11
DaemonFC[m]So some of them did a postmortem of Windows RT and others obviously didn't.Dec 31 21:11
DaemonFC[m]And the ones that didn't are in charge of new products.Dec 31 21:12
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scientesor even what the hell they are talking aboutDec 31 21:42
psydroidAnd this will lead to the company's eventual demise as you can't even write applications that use the same API on x86 and ARM other than using deprecated Win32 and UWP (both of which I don't know much about anyway) or cumbersome toolchains that aren't properly integrated into the environmentDec 31 21:43
scientespsydroid, you can use this 31 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cosmopolitan C LibraryDec 31 21:43
psydroidno one seems to know anything about anything anymoreDec 31 21:44
scientespsydroid, and lots of windows games are doing something they never did before: make their own system callsDec 31 21:44
scientesso basically they are just treating windows as a UNIX kernelDec 31 21:44
scientes(which it is)Dec 31 21:44
scientesbasically the only problem with windows is that it is non-freeDec 31 21:45
scienteslike DX11 was actually ahead of everybody else (mostly because a Vulkan-like thing was shelved)Dec 31 21:45
scientesand the mesa people liked DX11Dec 31 21:45
scientesand the security angle is kinda bunk, because Linux really isn't any more secure than windows, it is just more of a PITA to exploitDec 31 21:46
psydroidscientes, I had a brief look at it, I'll have to work with it to actually get what it doesDec 31 21:47
psydroidyeah, I don't believe in Linux security being great, but it is free software so anyone can fix issues in the code, if you can make sense of the spaghetti  it has become (and possibly always has been)Dec 31 21:49
scientespsydroid, it is speghetti is more of a security sense than a code senseDec 31 21:53
scientesthe core code is good for the architecture it hasDec 31 21:53
DaemonFC[m]I heard that Wine was starting to have trouble with direct system call applications from Windows.Dec 31 21:54
scientesbut given that core developers claim that their eyes hurt after seeing driver code, I think those drivers should run in a virtual memory sandboxDec 31 21:54
DaemonFC[m]In the Windows NT architecture, Win32 is just an API personality.Dec 31 21:54
DaemonFC[m]You can bypass it and use native system calls, but a lot of the Native API and system calls are undocumented or incorrectly documented by Microsoft, and they can change them or how they behave if they want.Dec 31 21:55
DaemonFC[m]So you risk your application working now and not working the next time there's a new version of Windows.Dec 31 21:55
DaemonFC[m]Or working for you, but not someone using Windows 8.Dec 31 21:55
MinceRGNU/Linux doesn't force you to run tons of vulnerable shit, like Backdoors and Lendows doDec 31 21:56
scientesit is quite a bit betterDec 31 21:57
MinceRand it's possible that the redmond mafia hasn't managed to run Linux into the ground yetDec 31 21:57
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft has been pretty conservative about API removal in Win32.Dec 31 22:00
DaemonFC[m]And when they do, you can pretty much just put it back. Like, DirectX installers will still put DirectX 9 files on Windows 10 for old games to useDec 31 22:01
scientespsydroid, I just want to reduce the number of features, instead of add themDec 31 22:14
scienteslike a think a flat view of memory as the defaultDec 31 22:15
scientesinstead of virtual memoryDec 31 22:15
scientesand then it might be possible to get rid of system modeDec 31 22:15
scientesand make everything user modeDec 31 22:15
MinceRand let any error in any application bring down the whole systemDec 31 22:16
scientesand as long as you have both virtual memory and flat memory I think you can do this graduallyDec 31 22:16
scientesMinceR, no with memory protectionDec 31 22:16
scientesmemory protection but not virtual memoryDec 31 22:16
MinceRhow is that a "flat view of memory"?Dec 31 22:16
scientesMinceR, remember virtual memory was so you could port DOS appsDec 31 22:16
scientesthis was before PIE codeDec 31 22:16
MinceRi do remember V86 modeDec 31 22:16
MinceRit depends on virtual memoryDec 31 22:16
scientesyou don't need virtual memory for memory protectionDec 31 22:16
scientesyou can just have read-write-execute on flat memoryDec 31 22:17
MinceRi'm not sure how that would workDec 31 22:17
scientesits basically malloc(size, read-write-execute)Dec 31 22:17
MinceRyour application would have some uncomfortable memory layout and a ton of pages mapped that cause faults if it tries to read, write or execute them?Dec 31 22:17
scientesMinceR, apps don't care about memory layoutDec 31 22:17
scientesits all PIE code Dec 31 22:17
MinceRthat's because they get comfortable memory layouts via virtual memory :>Dec 31 22:18
scientesbut they don't care these daysDec 31 22:18
scientesits all PIEDec 31 22:18
scientesall you need is malloc()Dec 31 22:18
MinceRalso, i doubt PIE helps if your application needs more than 1 pageDec 31 22:18
scientesno, everything is PIE, and pages are only 4K so every app needs more than one pageDec 31 22:18
MinceRreferring to your data segment relative to the current instruction in another page is bound to be a pain in the assDec 31 22:19
MinceRif it's doable at allDec 31 22:19
scientesnot reallyDec 31 22:19
scientesit is identical to how it is done todayDec 31 22:19
scienteswith ELFDec 31 22:19
scientesyou just use a relocationDec 31 22:19
scientesand a call tableDec 31 22:20
MinceRafaik PIE is only done within code segmentsDec 31 22:20
MinceR(including those of libraries)Dec 31 22:20
scienteswell yeah you need to be able to map the size of your code to contiguous memoryDec 31 22:20
scientesbut that is a win, not a loss, as it means you only need one lookupDec 31 22:21
scientesinstead of size / 4KB lookupsDec 31 22:21
scientesand it would be nice to also port seL4 to just be the C ABIDec 31 22:28
scientesso the dynamic linker becomes the OS hahDec 31 22:28
scientesyeah, that's the way to do itDec 31 22:29
scientesso 1. implement dual flat/virtual memory viewDec 31 22:32
scientes2. port sel4 to C ABIDec 31 22:32
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