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| psydroid | the latest video is broken on Firefox on Android, but works on Midori | Dec 31 01:04 |
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| psydroid | and the older ones work on Firefox, but not on Midori | Dec 31 01:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Edge is more compatible than Firefox, it seems. | Dec 31 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just loaded an Illinois state website that was completely mangled in Firefox. | Dec 31 03:16 |
| MinceR | it's a reskin and malware re-encrustment of the only browser anyone seems to be willing to support anymore, so it's not too surprising | Dec 31 03:36 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: thanks | Dec 31 03:40 |
| schestowitz | maybe better to just use webm | Dec 31 03:40 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: I am assuming the current datacenter will last into January... | Dec 31 04:18 |
| schestowitz | Got some EPO leaks | Dec 31 04:23 |
| schestowitz | and Intel leaks | Dec 31 04:23 |
| schestowitz | InteLeaks? | Dec 31 04:23 |
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| Ariadne | schestowitz: no i intend to cut over tomorrow | Dec 31 04:36 |
| Ariadne | i want to make sure there is sufficient timeline to wipe the server | Dec 31 04:36 |
| schestowitz | ok, thanks, I'll be around | Dec 31 04:41 |
| schestowitz | we have some leaks to publish this week | Dec 31 04:41 |
| schestowitz | InteLeaks | Dec 31 04:41 |
| Ariadne | in fact if you have time now | Dec 31 04:58 |
| Ariadne | we can work on it now | Dec 31 04:58 |
| Ariadne | intel leaks like what | Dec 31 04:59 |
| Ariadne | their cpus are even more broken than expected? | Dec 31 04:59 |
| schestowitz | you will see, it's about Linux | Dec 31 05:00 |
| schestowitz | maybe we can try to copy across VMs now? | Dec 31 05:00 |
| schestowitz | I can delay leaks until the changeover is done (IF done) | Dec 31 05:00 |
| Ariadne | my plan is to containerize the current VMs but rsyncing them across | Dec 31 05:01 |
| schestowitz | we need more disk space in TR:/home/ | Dec 31 05:01 |
| Ariadne | out of curiosity how would you feel if i were to deploy new tech rights alpine environment on IBM s390x? | Dec 31 05:01 |
| Ariadne | i mostly ask because i have an IBM mainframe that i bought recently and it’s sitting around idle | Dec 31 05:02 |
| schestowitz | that's fine, if suitable stuff is compiled for that arch | Dec 31 05:02 |
| Ariadne | i’m trying to cut the last of my x86 stuff | Dec 31 05:02 |
| schestowitz | most stuff is just simple apache/php | Dec 31 05:03 |
| Ariadne | x86 stuff is radioactive imo | Dec 31 05:03 |
| schestowitz | wait till you see the leaks | Dec 31 05:03 |
| schestowitz | very anti-Linux | Dec 31 05:03 |
| Ariadne | i'm not sure that anti-linux is a bad thing anymore | Dec 31 05:07 |
| Ariadne | linux is also increasingly problematic | Dec 31 05:07 |
| schestowitz | so, ok, pro-Microsoft proprietary | Dec 31 05:08 |
| Ariadne | alrighty | Dec 31 05:08 |
| Ariadne | let me see how we should do this | Dec 31 05:08 |
| Ariadne | i think the first objective should be to resync the database container | Dec 31 05:10 |
| Ariadne | then copy over techrights and fire it up in container form | Dec 31 05:10 |
| Ariadne | then tuxmachines | Dec 31 05:10 |
| schestowitz | yup, sounds good | Dec 31 05:11 |
| schestowitz | I think TM will be simpler, in a lot of ways | Dec 31 05:11 |
| Ariadne | i also need to remember what IP block i set up for techrights in the new DC | Dec 31 05:11 |
| schestowitz | techrights has some moving parts like the bots and stuff and some utils | Dec 31 05:11 |
| schestowitz | just a gentle reminder: all the DBs are in the one DB container, except drupal on TM | Dec 31 05:12 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Dec 31 05:12 |
| Ariadne | so tuxmachines is probably easier | Dec 31 05:13 |
| Ariadne | to do first | Dec 31 05:13 |
| Ariadne | since we're grabbing the data either way | Dec 31 05:13 |
| schestowitz | also smaller in terms of data | Dec 31 05:13 |
| schestowitz | most data of TM is in the DB, about 370MB compressed for drupal and some GBs for the screenshots/gallery part | Dec 31 05:14 |
| schestowitz | TM www data is in /var/www and for TR /home/ | Dec 31 05:14 |
| schestowitz | TM used to be gentoo and Debian-based | Dec 31 05:14 |
| Ariadne | ironically, the current IBM HMC appliance for System z is based on Alpine | Dec 31 05:17 |
| Ariadne | one must wonder why IBM wasted money on redhat | Dec 31 05:17 |
| Ariadne | i'm guessing for the java stuff tbh | Dec 31 05:17 |
| schestowitz | I have theories only about IBM's motives | Dec 31 05:19 |
| schestowitz | btw, ot in a sense: | Dec 31 05:22 |
| *Ariadne mutters about newest OpenSSH requiring handholding to connect to IOS-XR | Dec 31 05:22 | |
| schestowitz | 1) we have epo and intel leaks coming, mostly epo, schedule is start of year for those | Dec 31 05:22 |
| schestowitz | 2) if we move tm first, we can change dns for that as a test run before TR migration | Dec 31 05:22 |
| Ariadne | yes | Dec 31 05:23 |
| schestowitz | RMS reads us | Dec 31 05:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | +3,880 today | Dec 31 05:23 |
| schestowitz | they still are backlogged | Dec 31 05:25 |
| schestowitz | there will be more days like that | Dec 31 05:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It crossed 350,000 total today. | Dec 31 05:26 |
| schestowitz | 20,000,000 cases yesterday | Dec 31 05:27 |
| schestowitz | getting harder not to come across present and past carriers | Dec 31 05:27 |
| schestowitz | I have not left the house in 10 days | Dec 31 05:28 |
| schestowitz | almost a new record | Dec 31 05:28 |
| Ariadne | sip-sfo1-dist-core#show run int vl 294 | grep ip | Dec 31 05:28 |
| Ariadne | description "techrights" | Dec 31 05:28 |
| Ariadne | ip address 23.161.112.113/29 | Dec 31 05:28 |
| Ariadne | mmmk | Dec 31 05:28 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 31 05:28 |
| Ariadne | that means the host is on .114 probably | Dec 31 05:29 |
| Ariadne | indeed | Dec 31 05:29 |
| Ariadne | btw the x86 blade system is connected by 4x10G LAG straight into the core distribution switch | Dec 31 05:31 |
| schestowitz | ah, the one I accessed before? | Dec 31 05:31 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Dec 31 05:31 |
| schestowitz | even set up a second account on it | Dec 31 05:31 |
| Ariadne | btw i am probably going to assign a second IP block to that vlan | Dec 31 05:32 |
| Ariadne | at some point | Dec 31 05:32 |
| Ariadne | because i have a new IPv4 block | Dec 31 05:32 |
| Ariadne | so i'm cleaning up a lot of stuff i did in a hurry | Dec 31 05:32 |
| schestowitz | thanks so much | Dec 31 05:36 |
| Ariadne | hmmph | Dec 31 05:37 |
| Ariadne | lxc is being annoying | Dec 31 05:37 |
| Ariadne | [pid 3463] sendfile(44, 43, NULL, 2147479552) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) | Dec 31 05:40 |
| Ariadne | hmm | Dec 31 05:40 |
| Ariadne | 5.10 issue i guess | Dec 31 05:40 |
| *Ariadne rolls back to 5.4 | Dec 31 05:40 | |
| Ariadne | cool | Dec 31 05:42 |
| Ariadne | 5.4 works | Dec 31 05:42 |
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| Ariadne | doing initial rsync | Dec 31 05:50 |
| Ariadne | i'll take mysql down temporarily and do another sync | Dec 31 05:50 |
| schestowitz | cool, both sites i.e. the container? | Dec 31 05:52 |
| schestowitz | either way, I'll carry on posting in TM, it has its own DB (local) | Dec 31 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: So I calculated our income. | Dec 31 05:55 |
| schestowitz | does not matter | Dec 31 05:55 |
| schestowitz | stay on topc | Dec 31 05:55 |
| schestowitz | *topci | Dec 31 05:55 |
| schestowitz | topic even | Dec 31 05:55 |
| schestowitz | we're doing site work at the moment | Dec 31 05:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Meh, we're not doing too bad. | Dec 31 05:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The virus has actually helped us oddly enough. | Dec 31 05:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So far it hasn't done anything for us that wasn't ultimately beneficial. | Dec 31 05:56 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: yes | Dec 31 05:56 |
| schestowitz | I won't be touching TR for now | Dec 31 05:57 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: it will just be 1 minute or less. after that, don't touch TR or the shared part of TM | Dec 31 05:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It ran immigration out of their offices long enough to get our act together and come up with everything we needed. The government sent me $3,600 in stimulus checks.... | Dec 31 05:57 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i will let you know :) | Dec 31 05:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it wasn't for Coronavirus I would be back in Indiana, Mandy would have been ordered to leave the country, and that's just no good. | Dec 31 05:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: we're talking about the sites nopw | Dec 31 05:58 |
| schestowitz | you interject life stories | Dec 31 05:58 |
| schestowitz | maybe later it's more appropriate | Dec 31 05:59 |
| schestowitz | although, tbh, better keep s/n ratio higher by focusing on issues, not tales | Dec 31 05:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why is it always office workers everyone is worried about? They aren't worried about anyone else at all. | Dec 31 05:59 |
| schestowitz | like when you go on a rant about Windows or something in the WWW | Dec 31 05:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's never been a more dangerous time to do real work, or a safer time to push papers. No risk of car accidents and exposure to smog and things. | Dec 31 06:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: So what are the cost overhead issues of running a real server vs. virtual hosting? | Dec 31 06:01 |
| Ariadne | ? | Dec 31 06:02 |
| Ariadne | there's zero cost | Dec 31 06:02 |
| schestowitz | 'virtual' hosting | Dec 31 06:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And is anyone doing virtual instances where it's not a ruse for PRISM and a security disaster? Microsoft was quick to point out that the latest intrusion into Azure "wasn't our fault". | Dec 31 06:02 |
| schestowitz | it runs on ait | Dec 31 06:02 |
| schestowitz | *air | Dec 31 06:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They _allowed_ big companies and organization to use "blobs" where anyone with the path to the file could get highly sensitive data. | Dec 31 06:03 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC[m]: i do, but i am selective on who i provide services to | Dec 31 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it is kind of their fault. | Dec 31 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The file data wasn't even encrypted. | Dec 31 06:03 |
| Ariadne | hosting is honestly a pain in the ass | Dec 31 06:03 |
| schestowitz | I saw spin about that incident | Dec 31 06:03 |
| Ariadne | i just work with people who have specific requirements | Dec 31 06:04 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: self-hosting more so :-) | Dec 31 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You get one person who leaks the path to the data and everyone who gets that has a copy, and there's no way to spin that. Allowing such a configuration is entirely their fault. | Dec 31 06:04 |
| Ariadne | cookie cutter infrastructure is not something i would ever want to be involved in again | Dec 31 06:04 |
| Ariadne | i worked at a webhost when i was in college | Dec 31 06:04 |
| Ariadne | it was not great | Dec 31 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone will come along that won't be smart enough to know what they're doing with it and they'll put something there that they shouldn't. | Dec 31 06:04 |
| schestowitz | shared hosting is problematic | Dec 31 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What is Azure? The Windows 98 of cloud? No file permissions? Come on. | Dec 31 06:05 |
| Ariadne | the problem is that people buy cookie cutter "cloud" solutions | Dec 31 06:05 |
| schestowitz | like other tenants on the same machine compromising your own account | Dec 31 06:05 |
| Ariadne | and just hit it with a hammer until it works | Dec 31 06:05 |
| Ariadne | that's the problem with azure, aws, etc | Dec 31 06:05 |
| Ariadne | they give you all the rope you need to hang yourself | Dec 31 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, Intel is in deep shit with the cloud hosting companies that need lots of CPUs where performance per watt and security matter a lot. | Dec 31 06:05 |
| schestowitz | my main personal site is still shared hosting BTW | Dec 31 06:06 |
| Ariadne | i took over a shared hosting op recently as a favor | Dec 31 06:06 |
| Ariadne | it is making negative money | Dec 31 06:06 |
| Ariadne | almost all sites on it are crap like get rich quick schemes | Dec 31 06:06 |
| Ariadne | and it is on cpanel + centos 6 | Dec 31 06:06 |
| schestowitz | those will rot away | Dec 31 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those CPU bugs lend themselves into intrusions into someone else's VM even if Microsoft's "management services" for RHEL and insecure blobs that you can just put anywhere don't get there first. | Dec 31 06:07 |
| schestowitz | for a determined cracker, yes | Dec 31 06:07 |
| Ariadne | i need to move it to my infrastructure so it will stop making negative money | Dec 31 06:07 |
| schestowitz | they will find a way if there's a will and time/ | Dec 31 06:07 |
| Ariadne | maybe upgrade it to centos 7 | Dec 31 06:07 |
| Ariadne | or cloudlinux i guess | Dec 31 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | RMS was saying in the 1970s that he didn't like passwords. | Dec 31 06:07 |
| schestowitz | those were different | Dec 31 06:08 |
| Ariadne | cloudlinux is probably worth the $20/month just to not have to deal with it | Dec 31 06:08 |
| schestowitz | pre-www | Dec 31 06:08 |
| schestowitz | it was more about time sharing | Dec 31 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I noticed that those are entirely inadequate now because some botnet just sits there now and hammers your account. | Dec 31 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft shows all of the intrusion attempts into my outlook account. | Dec 31 06:08 |
| Ariadne | well RMS disliking password quote was different time | Dec 31 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it's several every minute from random parts of the world. | Dec 31 06:09 |
| Ariadne | i am sure he would agree that passwords make sense now | Dec 31 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just banging away trying to get into my account. | Dec 31 06:09 |
| Ariadne | or some sort of authentication | Dec 31 06:09 |
| Ariadne | ok | Dec 31 06:09 |
| Ariadne | taking mysql-shared down | Dec 31 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's kind of telling that there are that many compromised (Windows) PCs in the world. | Dec 31 06:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where the guy isn't paying anything to hijack them, so what the hell. | Dec 31 06:10 |
| Ariadne | passwords as an auth mechanism are quite flawed though | Dec 31 06:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I'd reckon they should take them all over and mine bitcoin. | Dec 31 06:10 |
| schestowitz | esp. in practice | Dec 31 06:11 |
| Ariadne | i wonder if directadmin is still a thing | Dec 31 06:11 |
| schestowitz | I saw people uploading all their passwords | Dec 31 06:11 |
| Ariadne | i have some directadmin licenses | Dec 31 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have some in my email inbox, but then again it's in an encrypted archive as an email attachment, behind a random strong password and 2FA. | Dec 31 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Google isn't just relying on text messages now, unless you have an iPhone. | Dec 31 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's an alert box that shows up on Android. | Dec 31 06:12 |
| Ariadne | (the real value of cpanel and stuff like that is that it makes almost everything involved in running a hosting op somebody else's problem) | Dec 31 06:12 |
| schestowitz | "Using strong passwords is a good way to help protect your accounts. On the Librem 5, we recommend you use Password Safe to keep track of and generate better passwords." https://puri.sm/posts/app-showcase-password-safe/ | Dec 31 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | App Showcase: Password Safe – Purism | Dec 31 06:12 | |
| Ariadne | patiently waiting on rsync to finish | Dec 31 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft is more or less trying to reinvent Windows in several different directions again, but I don't think this is going to go any better than the last few times. | Dec 31 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're having puff pieces about clean separation between the OS and the Win32 API, but they've been saying that since forever ago. | Dec 31 06:15 |
| Ariadne | idk man | Dec 31 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were pretty much saying that's where they wanted to be when I was getting Windows XP betas. | Dec 31 06:15 |
| Ariadne | i'm just doing my own shit re: desktop now | Dec 31 06:15 |
| Ariadne | since nobody else is focusing on the right things | Dec 31 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where they say they want to be with this is that every single app effectively gets a clean sandboxed version of Win32 all to itself. | Dec 31 06:16 |
| Ariadne | cool | Dec 31 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And even if it turns out to make a complete mess or be malware ,doesn't matter. | Dec 31 06:16 |
| Ariadne | ok | Dec 31 06:16 |
| Ariadne | mysql-shared resynced | Dec 31 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, it's actually pretty stunning how similar KDE and Windows 10 are. | Dec 31 06:17 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: when will db be put back up? | Dec 31 06:17 |
| schestowitz | I was just about to cite a rust-related post | Dec 31 06:17 |
| schestowitz | seems like rust is becoming gafam now | Dec 31 06:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The theme and overall style. But I suppose KDE will never stick ad tiles and pop ups everywhere and make you figure out how to turn it off. | Dec 31 06:17 |
| schestowitz | after mozilla going belly-up | Dec 31 06:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Never thought Firefox would, but then they did. | Dec 31 06:18 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: its coming up now | Dec 31 06:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, even Edge is eating Firefox alive. | Dec 31 06:18 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: consider it readonly now please :) | Dec 31 06:18 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: from the same DC or remote? | Dec 31 06:18 |
| Ariadne | same DC | Dec 31 06:18 |
| schestowitz | ok | Dec 31 06:18 |
| schestowitz | cool | Dec 31 06:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On web compatibility. I went to check the status of my FOID and I couldn't even get the CAPTCHA to load in Firefox. | Dec 31 06:18 |
| schestowitz | ok | Dec 31 06:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's not even the biggest problem I've had out of it lately. | Dec 31 06:18 |
| Ariadne | trying to think about how to attack the next step | Dec 31 06:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It won't load Roy's videos. | Dec 31 06:19 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: you want to do tuxmachines first, right? | Dec 31 06:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's more and more sites where something just gets messed up bad, and sometimes in the middle of a payment going through or something. | Dec 31 06:19 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: it will be easier | Dec 31 06:20 |
| Ariadne | ok lets do it | Dec 31 06:20 |
| Ariadne | can you PM me the login info for that VM | Dec 31 06:21 |
| schestowitz | btw, the DB (even if readonly for now) is not accessible from the site/front end | Dec 31 06:21 |
| schestowitz | sure | Dec 31 06:21 |
| Ariadne | should be now | Dec 31 06:21 |
| Ariadne | apparently i forgot to add mariadb to the old container's services | Dec 31 06:22 |
| Ariadne | new container i fixed it | Dec 31 06:22 |
| Ariadne | already | Dec 31 06:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/30/biden-inauguration-parade-viewing-stands-near-white-house-dismantled/4085710001/ | Dec 31 06:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Biden inauguration: Parade viewing stands near White House dismantled | Dec 31 06:22 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | COVID, the far-right cranks with machine guns. | Dec 31 06:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Better to just not and say we did, right? | Dec 31 06:22 |
| Ariadne | apparently the nashville bomber was making this bomb since 2019 | Dec 31 06:22 |
| Ariadne | and his girlfriend called it into the FBI | Dec 31 06:23 |
| Ariadne | and they disregarded it | Dec 31 06:23 |
| Ariadne | amazing work at FBI | Dec 31 06:23 |
| Ariadne | or dare i say, lack of work :) | Dec 31 06:23 |
| schestowitz | out the window goes the "5g causes covid" as motive theory? | Dec 31 06:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nashville Police, but yeah. | Dec 31 06:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "He's in there making bombs!" and they basically do nothing. | Dec 31 06:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People can't figure out why we say what the hell good are they. Might as well cut their budget. | Dec 31 06:25 |
| schestowitz | brb coffee, 6am here | Dec 31 06:30 |
| Ariadne | doing an initial rsync of tuxmachines | Dec 31 06:31 |
| Ariadne | tuxmachines is on centos6 right now | Dec 31 06:37 |
| Ariadne | thats at least easy to containerize | Dec 31 06:37 |
| Ariadne | :) | Dec 31 06:37 |
| schestowitz | ah, I would not know about that... | Dec 31 06:38 |
| schestowitz | side story | Dec 31 06:38 |
| schestowitz | the side was hosted originally in Tennessee | Dec 31 06:38 |
| schestowitz | set up with lots of help from texstar | Dec 31 06:38 |
| schestowitz | he was the partner of Susan at the time | Dec 31 06:39 |
| schestowitz | it ran Gentoo with No-IP and stuff | Dec 31 06:39 |
| schestowitz | had some incidents associated with DNS over the years | Dec 31 06:39 |
| schestowitz | when we took the site for a thousand bucks (symbolic sum, she trusted me to keep the site going) it ran on Debian | Dec 31 06:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier put that on centOS, the standard in his DC | Dec 31 06:40 |
| Ariadne | alpine is the standard thing i use | Dec 31 06:42 |
| Ariadne | and well | Dec 31 06:42 |
| Ariadne | it generally is quite reliable | Dec 31 06:42 |
| schestowitz | yes, I heard good things | Dec 31 06:44 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines links to all alpine release since ages ago; it seems like "linux" done right (simply) | Dec 31 06:44 |
| schestowitz | "ultimate edition" and other kitchen sinks are "linux" done wrong | Dec 31 06:44 |
| schestowitz | lots of heavy blobs and stuff, thrown together in massive ISOs | Dec 31 06:45 |
| Ariadne | doing second tuxmachines rsync pass | Dec 31 06:45 |
| Ariadne | doing third pass | Dec 31 06:46 |
| Ariadne | stopping mysql | Dec 31 06:47 |
| Ariadne | mysql coming back up | Dec 31 06:48 |
| schestowitz | just checking no other person posts new stuff to tuxmachines | Dec 31 06:50 |
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| Ariadne | techrights-ctr-sfo1:/var/lib/lxc/tuxmachines-old# chroot rootfs/ /bin/bash | Dec 31 06:53 |
| Ariadne | Segmentation fault | Dec 31 06:53 |
| Ariadne | wtf | Dec 31 06:53 |
| schestowitz | is that fatal all around? | Dec 31 06:54 |
| *viera has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Dec 31 06:55 | |
| Ariadne | vsyscall=emulate i guess | Dec 31 06:55 |
| Ariadne | cool | Dec 31 06:57 |
| Ariadne | vsyscall=emulate got it done | Dec 31 06:57 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok, excellent! | Dec 31 06:58 |
| Ariadne | hmmph | Dec 31 07:15 |
| schestowitz | obstacle? | Dec 31 07:16 |
| Ariadne | CentOS uses upstart | Dec 31 07:16 |
| Ariadne | upstart is being obnoxious | Dec 31 07:16 |
| Ariadne | (CentOS 6) | Dec 31 07:16 |
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| schestowitz | ah, well... :-) systemd would not make you happier, I suppose | Dec 31 07:16 |
| Ariadne | got it i think | Dec 31 07:21 |
| schestowitz | does it have identical copy of the site? | Dec 31 07:22 |
| schestowitz | db container+filesystem? | Dec 31 07:22 |
| schestowitz | I can do some manual checks with find and diff and du -sh | Dec 31 07:22 |
| schestowitz | I am SUPER paranoid about losing data during migrations and used to make checklists of things to verify are still there and accessible (permissions) | Dec 31 07:23 |
| Ariadne | cool | Dec 31 07:23 |
| Ariadne | its on .115 | Dec 31 07:23 |
| schestowitz | I see it now | Dec 31 07:24 |
| Ariadne | systemd is actually more pleasant | Dec 31 07:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe resolve.conf I can edit to test a bit | Dec 31 07:25 |
| Ariadne | it can detect when containerized | Dec 31 07:25 |
| Ariadne | and it turns off a lot of things automatically | Dec 31 07:25 |
| Ariadne | techrights will be .116 | Dec 31 07:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm on SSH also | Dec 31 07:26 |
| schestowitz | will test and check things | Dec 31 07:26 |
| schestowitz | whoa, 32 CPU cores | Dec 31 07:26 |
| schestowitz | that's as much as London Town Hall uses | Dec 31 07:27 |
| schestowitz | (we support them) | Dec 31 07:27 |
| Ariadne | that blade actually has | Dec 31 07:27 |
| Ariadne | 88 cores | Dec 31 07:27 |
| schestowitz | most of my PCs have 1 or 2 :-) | Dec 31 07:27 |
| Ariadne | using intel CPUs that fell off a truck | Dec 31 07:27 |
| Ariadne | they are "high security" variant that is not retail | Dec 31 07:28 |
| Ariadne | no ME :) | Dec 31 07:28 |
| schestowitz | high security= no ME? :-D | Dec 31 07:28 |
| Ariadne | yes | Dec 31 07:28 |
| schestowitz | hahahaaha | Dec 31 07:28 |
| schestowitz | beat you to it | Dec 31 07:28 |
| schestowitz | well, on my machine | Dec 31 07:28 |
| schestowitz | another machine says you beat me to it | Dec 31 07:28 |
| schestowitz | milisec apart | Dec 31 07:29 |
| schestowitz | might now want ME | Dec 31 07:29 |
| schestowitz | given what we'll publish soon | Dec 31 07:29 |
| schestowitz | *not | Dec 31 07:29 |
| Ariadne | i don't want x86 at all | Dec 31 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Intel engs are not happy | Dec 31 07:29 |
| Ariadne | not from intel, not from AMD | Dec 31 07:29 |
| Ariadne | and, i can get x86 CPUs most people cannot | Dec 31 07:30 |
| schestowitz | (software engs) | Dec 31 07:30 |
| Ariadne | because i know the right vendors | Dec 31 07:30 |
| Ariadne | (these are 'military' intel cpus) | Dec 31 07:30 |
| Ariadne | and since these are 'fell off a truck' variant of CPUs, there is no microcode or actual support from intel | Dec 31 07:33 |
| Ariadne | on the other hand, there's no malware | Dec 31 07:33 |
| Ariadne | in the CPUs themselves | Dec 31 07:33 |
| schestowitz | It's good we have you with us | Dec 31 07:33 |
| schestowitz | as you seem security-conscious | Dec 31 07:33 |
| Ariadne | (to the extent that x86 itself cannot be considered malware anyway) | Dec 31 07:33 |
| schestowitz | many people I am made to work with are using really bad tools. You would not believe... | Dec 31 07:34 |
| schestowitz | and I'm like, "THIS is why "RUSSIA" keeps "HACKING" things..." | Dec 31 07:34 |
| schestowitz | no need for back doors or social engineering | Dec 31 07:34 |
| schestowitz | when people email plain text passwords to one another and even worse things | Dec 31 07:34 |
| Ariadne | well, its easier to make the story about the attacker than the incompetence that enabled it | Dec 31 07:34 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 31 07:35 |
| schestowitz | or hold accountable the "HACKERS" | Dec 31 07:35 |
| Ariadne | even solarwinds was caused by incompetence (default solarwinds123 password, come the fuck on) | Dec 31 07:35 |
| schestowitz | IF you can get your hands on them | Dec 31 07:35 |
| schestowitz | iirc, solarwings also had passwords on public shithub | Dec 31 07:35 |
| schestowitz | *solarwinds | Dec 31 07:35 |
| Ariadne | amazing | Dec 31 07:35 |
| schestowitz | some people put private keys on there | Dec 31 07:35 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure a commit will hide that LOL | Dec 31 07:35 |
| schestowitz | removed, committed | Dec 31 07:35 |
| schestowitz | "pls don't check history" :-) | Dec 31 07:36 |
| Ariadne | github has, thankfully, blacklisted private keys from the code search using some heuristic | Dec 31 07:37 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines-old html]$ du -sh | Dec 31 07:37 |
| Ariadne | i'm not a huge fan of github admittedly | Dec 31 07:37 |
| schestowitz | 3.2G . | Dec 31 07:38 |
| schestowitz | same across DCs | Dec 31 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: some folks quit github | Dec 31 07:38 |
| schestowitz | it's losing money | Dec 31 07:38 |
| schestowitz | if it also uses the userbase and key projects, it's a write-off like Nokia | Dec 31 07:38 |
| Ariadne | i think github's business decision to do business with ICE is unfortunate | Dec 31 07:38 |
| Techrights-sec | That and their people have made it impossible to get anything else. | Dec 31 07:39 |
| Techrights-sec | You mention military hardware. Find out what happened to Tadpole | Dec 31 07:39 |
| Techrights-sec | after GD bought it... | Dec 31 07:39 |
| Techrights-sec | GD are microsofters. | Dec 31 07:39 |
| Techrights-sec | x86 is around at all only because of Wintel | Dec 31 07:39 |
| Ariadne | correct | Dec 31 07:39 |
| Ariadne | military is largely still using windows 7, because it was last version to be audited | Dec 31 07:40 |
| schestowitz | we'll publish Wintel leaks soon | Dec 31 07:40 |
| schestowitz | might change your mind about Intel | Dec 31 07:40 |
| Ariadne | what is there to change my mind on? | Dec 31 07:40 |
| Ariadne | i hate intel | Dec 31 07:40 |
| Ariadne | the blade system i got is intel because that's what was available at the surplus auction i got it from | Dec 31 07:41 |
| Ariadne | then i upgraded it with 'fell off the back of a truck' CPUs to get more cores and lose the built-in malware | Dec 31 07:41 |
| Ariadne | i think the way to get {secure, libre} computing is to use things *other* than x86 | Dec 31 07:42 |
| schestowitz | quick question | Dec 31 07:45 |
| schestowitz | were any files added to /var/www/ on the new DC? | Dec 31 07:45 |
| Ariadne | for example, it is bullshit that you cannot buy CPUs from Intel which are clean of ME malware | Dec 31 07:45 |
| Ariadne | no | Dec 31 07:45 |
| schestowitz | maybe the ls/find format is different, will check | Dec 31 07:45 |
| Ariadne | ony thing i did was modify /etc/fstab | Dec 31 07:45 |
| Techrights-sec | The way to get {secure, libre} computing is to use anything other than x86 | Dec 31 07:46 |
| Techrights-sec | It has been that way for a while. But now Apple, and probably M$, are | Dec 31 07:46 |
| Techrights-sec | using ARM for DRM'd systems. | Dec 31 07:46 |
| Techrights-sec | \ | Dec 31 07:46 |
| Ariadne | yeah because ARM CPUs are actually secure :P | Dec 31 07:46 |
| Ariadne | fuck DRM tho | Dec 31 07:46 |
| Ariadne | DRM has been a lose-lose for everyone | Dec 31 07:47 |
| Ariadne | loss for the artists because they make pennies verses just selling a CD | Dec 31 07:47 |
| Ariadne | loss for the user because DRM software is buggy | Dec 31 07:47 |
| Ariadne | (not to mention the libre issues surrounding DRM) | Dec 31 07:47 |
| schestowitz | turns out tuxmachines made no local db backups (only remote) since late Oct | Dec 31 07:52 |
| Techrights-sec | Intel ended up getting a free pass on the speculative execution scandal. | Dec 31 07:53 |
| Techrights-sec | It should have been raked over the coals for cheating like | Dec 31 07:53 |
| Techrights-sec | VW and Audi were for the emissions cheating, if nothing else. | Dec 31 07:53 |
| Techrights-sec | However, the Intel cheating opened up several *classes* of hardware bugs. | Dec 31 07:53 |
| Techrights-sec | Also, I wondered why Larry Ellison killed off sparc. He could have made | Dec 31 07:53 |
| Techrights-sec | money from it to the exclusion of his competitor M$. | Dec 31 07:53 |
| Ariadne | SPARC has ... a lot of problems architecturally | Dec 31 07:53 |
| Ariadne | register windows are yuck | Dec 31 07:53 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: let me know when you're ready to shift traffic | Dec 31 07:56 |
| schestowitz | testing local backup of TM on new DC | Dec 31 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: is the nameserver on your turf? I forgot... | Dec 31 07:57 |
| Ariadne | nameserver for? | Dec 31 07:57 |
| schestowitz | [07:56] <Ariadne> schestowitz: let me know when you're ready to shift traffic | Dec 31 07:57 |
| Ariadne | its not | Dec 31 07:57 |
| schestowitz | OK, so maybe you meant redirection IP address? | Dec 31 07:57 |
| schestowitz | redirecting | Dec 31 07:57 |
| Ariadne | yes | Dec 31 07:58 |
| schestowitz | aha | Dec 31 07:58 |
| Ariadne | changing the DNS | Dec 31 07:58 |
| schestowitz | let me check a bit more | Dec 31 07:58 |
| schestowitz | can you change dns at your end or do I need to contact registrar/host? | Dec 31 07:58 |
| schestowitz | as long as we add nothing new I suppose we can switch back and forth without risk | Dec 31 07:58 |
| Ariadne | i dont have any DNS control over these domains | Dec 31 07:58 |
| schestowitz | each DC for TM has its own DB, except for gallery | Dec 31 07:59 |
| Ariadne | can you message me the info for techrights | Dec 31 07:59 |
| Ariadne | so i can start syncing that | Dec 31 07:59 |
| schestowitz | sure | Dec 31 08:02 |
| schestowitz | it's the same | Dec 31 08:02 |
| schestowitz | exact same | Dec 31 08:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe I should have not said that publicly | Dec 31 08:02 |
| schestowitz | but only in case one gets pwned | Dec 31 08:02 |
| schestowitz | we ought to change those sometimes, but then need to coordinate changes across team | Dec 31 08:02 |
| schestowitz | if you sync filesystem of TR, it should be safe in the changes sense | Dec 31 08:03 |
| Ariadne | that is my thought | Dec 31 08:03 |
| schestowitz | the DB won't change | Dec 31 08:03 |
| Ariadne | i want to sync the FS over initially | Dec 31 08:03 |
| Ariadne | then we can pick up later in the afternoon | Dec 31 08:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure if you rsynced before or after adding today's IRC transparency posting, but we can manually merge that in later, it's just IRC logs | Dec 31 08:04 |
| schestowitz | the logs themselves were uploaded 4 hours ago, to the file system | Dec 31 08:04 |
| schestowitz | no posts in TR today | Dec 31 08:04 |
| schestowitz | it's holiday anyway | Dec 31 08:04 |
| schestowitz | leaks are not time-sensitive | Dec 31 08:04 |
| schestowitz | and sources wanted them delayed a bit | Dec 31 08:05 |
| schestowitz | hence "January" | Dec 31 08:05 |
| schestowitz | the local DB backup has been successful | Dec 31 08:06 |
| schestowitz | faster than on the older server, as one might expect | Dec 31 08:06 |
| schestowitz | I support it's down to I/O speed rather than CPU | Dec 31 08:06 |
| schestowitz | unless we gzip it, which we do | Dec 31 08:06 |
| schestowitz | so after migration the download in the backup windows ought to be shorted, used to be minutes long | Dec 31 08:06 |
| schestowitz | oh, btw | Dec 31 08:08 |
| Ariadne | initial sync in progress | Dec 31 08:08 |
| Ariadne | yeah the I/O is a lot better on this machine | Dec 31 08:08 |
| schestowitz | any way to easily add ssl to it or only after containerising? | Dec 31 08:08 |
| schestowitz | because now it can be down without downtime risks | Dec 31 08:08 |
| Ariadne | SAN into 48G infiniband | Dec 31 08:08 |
| Ariadne | we'll do ssl when we rebuild everything on alpine | Dec 31 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I have tested site aggregation, now testing login and admin | Dec 31 08:08 |
| Ariadne | i dont want to push my luck with this too hard :) | Dec 31 08:09 |
| schestowitz | "Migration of tuxmachines in progress. This is a test comment." | Dec 31 08:11 |
| schestowitz | there was a slight ddos on techrights just now | Dec 31 08:15 |
| schestowitz | hammering the usual heavy pages, to block access by legit visitors | Dec 31 08:15 |
| schestowitz | I had tmux conflicts with another user, I think ;-) | Dec 31 08:15 |
| schestowitz | no locking mechanisms | Dec 31 08:15 |
| Ariadne | when we switch to nginx that will not be a thing anymore | Dec 31 08:15 |
| schestowitz | cool | Dec 31 08:16 |
| schestowitz | OK, so far it looks like all is good | Dec 31 08:16 |
| schestowitz | I have a query | Dec 31 08:16 |
| schestowitz | when I run df | Dec 31 08:16 |
| schestowitz | it shows, as non-root (when running it), just one line | Dec 31 08:16 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Dec 31 08:16 |
| Ariadne | its due to container | Dec 31 08:16 |
| schestowitz | I am not sure how to interpret it, but I assume it inherits space from the host OS | Dec 31 08:16 |
| Ariadne | correct | Dec 31 08:16 |
| schestowitz | OK, cool | Dec 31 08:17 |
| schestowitz | the backup works, let me do a test post (not just comment) | Dec 31 08:17 |
| Ariadne | /dev/vda3 1003.5G 59.7G 943.8G 6% /var/lib/lxc | Dec 31 08:17 |
| schestowitz | later I can compare all the files in there and do random fuzzing about to ensure nothing is missing | Dec 31 08:17 |
| Ariadne | this is the one you need to keep an eye on | Dec 31 08:17 |
| schestowitz | whoa, a terabyte | Dec 31 08:17 |
| schestowitz | good for large videos | Dec 31 08:17 |
| Ariadne | the SAN array has 96TB capacity | Dec 31 08:18 |
| Ariadne | though some of that is already spoken for, if you find yourself needing more than 1TB we can always grow the volume | Dec 31 08:21 |
| Ariadne | :P | Dec 31 08:21 |
| Ariadne | there's 24 HGST 8TB 15krpm drives in RAID-10 :) | Dec 31 08:22 |
| Ariadne | SAS :D | Dec 31 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I know i should not post a link with IP | Dec 31 08:22 |
| schestowitz | in case it changes in the future | Dec 31 08:22 |
| schestowitz | but... | Dec 31 08:22 |
| schestowitz | http://23.161.112.115/node/146004 | Dec 31 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-23.161.112.115 | Migrating TuxMachines to a Bigger Server | Tux Machines | Dec 31 08:23 | |
| schestowitz | this seems to work well | Dec 31 08:23 |
| Ariadne | those ips are subject to change anyway | Dec 31 08:23 |
| schestowitz | I encountered no issues logging in, posting comment, posting a blog post, tuxGallery works OK, backup works OK | Dec 31 08:23 |
| schestowitz | I guess if I request DNS change there is nothign to lose | Dec 31 08:23 |
| schestowitz | we can roll back while DNS downstream is in flux still | Dec 31 08:24 |
| schestowitz | but all looks good so far | Dec 31 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: should I request DNS change? | Dec 31 08:24 |
| schestowitz | (like, now) | Dec 31 08:24 |
| Ariadne | yes | Dec 31 08:24 |
| Ariadne | go for it | Dec 31 08:24 |
| Ariadne | techrights is syncing initial | Dec 31 08:25 |
| Ariadne | this is going to take a while it seems | Dec 31 08:25 |
| Ariadne | 128k inodes on disk to check | Dec 31 08:25 |
| schestowitz | 2005 :-) http://23.161.112.115/node/14 | Dec 31 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-23.161.112.115 | Mandrake's Clustering Again | Tux Machines | Dec 31 08:25 | |
| Ariadne | i think moving to xfs will boost performance too | Dec 31 08:27 |
| Ariadne | ext4 is not particularly known for performance | Dec 31 08:27 |
| Ariadne | and tuxmachines was ext3 (!) | Dec 31 08:27 |
| schestowitz | the DNS should just point to server IP, correct? | Dec 31 08:28 |
| Ariadne | yes | Dec 31 08:28 |
| Ariadne | i am building a DNS infrastructure for some of my other people | Dec 31 08:29 |
| Ariadne | but its not ready yet | Dec 31 08:29 |
| schestowitz | The nameserver remains the same | Dec 31 08:29 |
| schestowitz | tessier had his own nameservers | Dec 31 08:29 |
| Ariadne | yeah i intend to set up an anycast constellation | Dec 31 08:29 |
| Ariadne | but the old DC's customer list got dumped in my lap | Dec 31 08:30 |
| Ariadne | so i've been busy working on migrating them out or handing them off to people who are better suited | Dec 31 08:30 |
| schestowitz | NS5.CATALYST2.NET | Dec 31 08:30 |
| schestowitz | 84.18.207.222 | Dec 31 08:30 |
| schestowitz | NS6.CATALYST2.NET | Dec 31 08:31 |
| schestowitz | 185.28.164.100 | Dec 31 08:31 |
| Ariadne | its unfortunate that the owner got ejected through a windshield | Dec 31 08:31 |
| Ariadne | he was a cool dude | Dec 31 08:31 |
| Ariadne | oh well | Dec 31 08:32 |
| schestowitz | after the linsux incident they'd ask more questions | Dec 31 08:34 |
| schestowitz | sent message | Dec 31 08:35 |
| schestowitz | will contact them in real-time chat now | Dec 31 08:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 31 08:39 |
| schestowitz | HiHow can we helpI have just created #JGB-920-36560this is urgent, it's just DNS changeI can verify identity and all over phone/email/pgp or uploading code to the existing active siteSure no problem. Ive got the ticket and will update the DNS asapthank youwe worked all morning testing the two are working the same, the new one has more capcityhttp://23.161.112.115/node/146004 "Migrating TuxMachines to a Bigger Server" | Dec 31 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Migrating TuxMachines to a Bigger Server | Dec 31 08:39 |
| schestowitz | K no worries. Shouldnt take longer that 10 mins to make the switch | Dec 31 08:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 31 08:39 |
| schestowitz | that was faster than the last time | Dec 31 08:39 |
| Ariadne | ah, kayako | Dec 31 08:40 |
| Ariadne | i have unpleasant memories of that software | Dec 31 08:40 |
| schestowitz | how do you know it's kayako? | Dec 31 08:40 |
| schestowitz | JGB? | Dec 31 08:41 |
| schestowitz | "Cheers, thanks for the prompt response" | Dec 31 08:41 |
| schestowitz | oh, you can see what else is hosted on there https://who.is/nameserver/NS5.CATALYST2.NET | Dec 31 08:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WHOIS Search, Domain Name, Website, and IP Tools - Who.is | Dec 31 08:42 | |
| Ariadne | the ticket id format | Dec 31 08:43 |
| schestowitz | that's what I guessed | Dec 31 08:43 |
| Ariadne | doing second rsync run on techrights | Dec 31 08:43 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't even name that software anywhere | Dec 31 08:43 |
| schestowitz | cool, Ariadne | Dec 31 08:44 |
| Ariadne | and a third | Dec 31 08:44 |
| Ariadne | ok | Dec 31 08:45 |
| Ariadne | at this point its just syncing logs | Dec 31 08:45 |
| Ariadne | lets take 5 | Dec 31 08:47 |
| Ariadne | at this point even if they pulled the plug at midnight on jan 1 | Dec 31 08:47 |
| Ariadne | we have all data | Dec 31 08:47 |
| Ariadne | and can just boot up | Dec 31 08:47 |
| schestowitz | ah, I think I got it... so files are shown differently across new and old | Dec 31 08:50 |
| schestowitz | maybe because find and du and stuff sort by inode | Dec 31 08:50 |
| schestowitz | I was trying to understand why totals were different | Dec 31 08:50 |
| schestowitz | aha | Dec 31 08:51 |
| schestowitz | filesystems diffs? | Dec 31 08:51 |
| schestowitz | one is ext3 | Dec 31 08:51 |
| schestowitz | and the new one is not? | Dec 31 08:51 |
| schestowitz | so block sizes changed | Dec 31 08:51 |
| Ariadne | ok | Dec 31 08:51 |
| Ariadne | going to boot up techrights on .116 | Dec 31 08:51 |
| schestowitz | permissions were kept the same and dates in the FS as well | Dec 31 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: cool | Dec 31 08:52 |
| schestowitz | brb, 10 mins | Dec 31 08:52 |
| Ariadne | techrights came up | Dec 31 08:53 |
| Ariadne | cool | Dec 31 08:53 |
| Ariadne | somehow systemd was more pleasant | Dec 31 08:53 |
| Ariadne | kick the tires on .116 | Dec 31 08:55 |
| Ariadne | make sure its all good | Dec 31 08:55 |
| Ariadne | then switch that DNS too :) | Dec 31 08:55 |
| Ariadne | when i wake up, i'll start DBAN on the old server | Dec 31 08:55 |
| schestowitz | ok, I am back | Dec 31 09:07 |
| schestowitz | I will need IBAN too | Dec 31 09:08 |
| schestowitz | so we can pay you | Dec 31 09:08 |
| *schestowitz starts testing | Dec 31 09:08 | |
| schestowitz | OK, traffic is starting to trickle in (into the new server) | Dec 31 09:15 |
| schestowitz | my ISP's DNS is still out of date, or maybe systemd is caching dns | Dec 31 09:15 |
| psydroid | <Techrights-sec "Also, I wondered why Larry Ellis"> They invested in Ampere and are moving their cloud operations to servers with the new Altra processors, so they are technically moving from SPARC to ARM as Fujitsu did | Dec 31 09:16 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: so far all looks good on techrights as well | Dec 31 09:29 |
| schestowitz | this is a test to see if the DNS/address at the bot side has rolled over http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146004 | Dec 31 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146004 ) | Dec 31 09:35 | |
| schestowitz | no, not yet | Dec 31 09:36 |
| schestowitz | it has on my ISP | Dec 31 09:36 |
| schestowitz | so too early to link to new posts in tuxmachines | Dec 31 09:36 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: just under a week ago href told me after hardware issue he should be able to bring back pleroma.site/fr online... by "eve" | Dec 31 09:36 |
| schestowitz | so that's today | Dec 31 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: status report very good | Dec 31 10:23 |
| schestowitz | all files seem in tact, DB also, permission etc. | Dec 31 10:23 |
| schestowitz | if you're still around it will be safer (in case of rollbacks) to initiate domain (DNS) updates for the 3 domains pointing to TR | Dec 31 10:24 |
| scientes | with steam it is much harder to know if a game works with wine/Linux | Dec 31 10:45 |
| scientes | nobody is updating the winehq anymore | Dec 31 10:45 |
| schestowitz | so is it just out of date? | Dec 31 10:46 |
| schestowitz | and then people rely on proton's proprietary DB | Dec 31 10:46 |
| schestowitz | ? | Dec 31 10:46 |
| scientes | yeah, and new apps are not in there | Dec 31 10:46 |
| schestowitz | maybe steam (valve) will do an apple-on-cups on wine | Dec 31 10:47 |
| schestowitz | I think they already work with codeweavers | Dec 31 10:47 |
| schestowitz | maybe also colabora | Dec 31 10:47 |
| schestowitz | *ll | Dec 31 10:47 |
| scientes | collabora | Dec 31 10:47 |
| scientes | and NOT codeweavers | Dec 31 10:48 |
| scientes | like there is no tropico 6 here https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=266 | Dec 31 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appdb.winehq.org | WineHQ - Tropico | Dec 31 10:48 | |
| scientes | but it clearly works, according to this fork of wine https://github.com/varmd/wine-wayland | Dec 31 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - varmd/wine-wayland: Wine-wayland allows playing DX9/DX11 and Vulkan games using pure wayland and Wine/DXVK. | Dec 31 10:49 | |
| scientes | schestowitz, GOG is also releasing wine titles, so I think they are using proton to do that | Dec 31 10:50 |
| scientes | or maybe i am just confused | Dec 31 10:51 |
| GNUmoon | Linux Today promoting M$ Teams for Linux... https://twitter.com/linuxtoday/status/1344390361158983680 | Dec 31 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linuxtoday: How to Install Microsoft Teams on Linux https://t.co/HI8Cytavlq #Linux | Dec 31 11:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - How to Install Microsoft Teams on Linux | Dec 31 11:20 | |
| GNUmoon | Mozilla promoting Apple's good intentions ... https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/apples-anti-tracking-plans-iphone/ | Dec 31 11:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foundation.mozilla.org | Mozilla Foundation - Apple’s anti-tracking plans for iPhone | Dec 31 11:21 | |
| GNUmoon | What's the world coming too ;) | Dec 31 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | lol | Dec 31 11:27 |
| schestowitz | well, you answered your own question | Dec 31 11:27 |
| GNUmoon | The rush for cash at the expensive of user and societal freedom is disappointing, but not surprising. | Dec 31 11:31 |
| psydroid | I guess at this point it's all about a mistaken attempt self-preservation for Mozilla, but I'm wondering about all those other companies that are so dependent on advertising income and selling out the user (as far as those users aren't already doing so themselves) | Dec 31 11:36 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Dec 31 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla and Apple-wise... it's not news | Dec 31 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Techrights was in arguments with them over iPod promotion ages ago | Dec 31 11:41 |
| schestowitz | we have some Mozilla comments in the site | Dec 31 11:41 |
| schestowitz | they have long had many Apple fans among their staff | Dec 31 11:41 |
| schestowitz | as for Linux Today, same thing | Dec 31 11:41 |
| schestowitz | they occasionally helped Mono and Novell agenda | Dec 31 11:42 |
| schestowitz | this one somehow slipped in | Dec 31 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix has long promoted mono | Dec 31 11:42 |
| schestowitz | more than 10 years | Dec 31 11:42 |
| schestowitz | it's not like Groklaw as shilling Microsoft, though occasionally PJ was a bit of an Apple apologist | Dec 31 11:42 |
| schestowitz | and she used a "Mac" too (part of the time) | Dec 31 11:43 |
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| psydroid | I don't see the appeal of Apple devices, but it looks like people convinced themselves of a need for them many years ago | Dec 31 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | we're not changing DNS for techrights | Dec 31 12:03 |
| schestowitz | *now | Dec 31 12:03 |
| schestowitz | for all 3 domains that lead to it | Dec 31 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | so far the migration is going smoothly | Dec 31 12:15 |
| schestowitz | and the sites are becoming faster because of the superior chips | Dec 31 12:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't think we need the pane for htop now that we have nmon with graphs, correct? waste of space... | Dec 31 12:20 |
| schestowitz | oops | Dec 31 12:20 |
| schestowitz | wrong channel | Dec 31 12:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It is making less and less sense for Gecko to continue as a rendering engine. | Dec 31 14:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think it will for long. They already have horrendous web compatibility bugs and they fired the people who could have fixed them. | Dec 31 14:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has fewer users than "Legacy Edge" did when Microsoft gave up. | Dec 31 14:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Don't you love stock images? | Dec 31 14:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The same one used for a "USCIS immigration interview" is now on Fox News as "couple meeting with mortgage lender". | Dec 31 14:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least there wasn't any "head surgery". Maybe in Fox News for Poles. | Dec 31 14:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fox has ratcheted up their coverage of "blacks committing crimes" lately, I've noticed. | Dec 31 14:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Covered by Ring doorbells and stuff. | Dec 31 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | racism comes when the rich are stealing | Dec 31 14:50 |
| schestowitz | and then need to distract the "unwashed masses" | Dec 31 14:50 |
| schestowitz | maybe the MSM will soon tell people to take down some more "racist" statues | Dec 31 14:50 |
| schestowitz | and then there will be a national uproar about something-thats-not-wealth-transfer | Dec 31 14:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The comments section is why I go there. Things like people suggesting that the US is "ahead of the Paris accord in CO2 goals". | Dec 31 14:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | (because of economic collapse maybe, for now) | Dec 31 14:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they say "Our great entrepreneurs have beaten the goals set by politicians.". | Dec 31 14:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, they went to the bankruptcy court and now they produce fewer emissions. | Dec 31 14:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The tragicomedy is that the people making these comments don't seem to realize, or care, that the US has turned positively Orwellian. | Dec 31 14:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even to the point of dumping most of the productivity of the real economy into unproductive wars. | Dec 31 14:55 |
| schestowitz | TR traffic now a ratio of about 2:1 new:old server | Dec 31 14:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not just to feed the oligarchy, but to keep people from getting so comfortable that they can enjoy the result of their labor. | Dec 31 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Later on I will merge in the 'missing' (from new) IRC blog post | Dec 31 14:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The economic cost to wars in the past 20 years is now fully a third of the entire federal debt. | Dec 31 14:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the government had handed it out as cash, each citizen would have gotten a check for over $15,000. | Dec 31 14:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead we got two dumpster fires in the middle east that Trump is wrapping up with surrender documents to the Taliban and the same sort of "cutting and running" we were told for almost 20 years that we simply could not do because it would embolden our enemies. | Dec 31 14:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Does anyone remember that? When Fox News said that we couldn't cut an run while the Taliban and others were still around? | Dec 31 14:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They control 2/3rds of the land area of Afghanistan and they're in the government that we set up, and if anyone doesn't think that they'll use our absence to start gaining power and influence in the government, or just overthrow the government if they can't take it over, they're on bad drugs/ | Dec 31 14:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But people like my dad won't hear any of it. | Dec 31 14:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty soon the situation in Afghanistan will be as bad as it was before we did anything. It's not much better now. | Dec 31 15:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Soviets couldn't get these groups under control. We couldn't either, but we continue meddling. | Dec 31 15:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's what the bill the Senate will be overriding tomorrow continues squandering our national wealth to do. | Dec 31 15:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It'll be somewhere else, it always is, but you never win. | Dec 31 15:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even with all of this fancy crap laying around, you don't win, even against savages. | Dec 31 15:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: In one of the later episodes of The Man in the High Castle, one of the Nazis reporting to Smith on the status of the alt-world says "America somehow became a superpower and is about to fight a war in Asia. The Americans have vastly superior technology and will win quickly.". | Dec 31 15:04 |
| Ariadne | [08:56] <schestowitz> TR traffic now a ratio of about 2:1 new:old server | Dec 31 15:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was so bad you had to groan at the mere idea because that hasn't worked several times now. | Dec 31 15:04 |
| Ariadne | great! let me know once the load is shed so i can start wiping old machine | Dec 31 15:04 |
| Ariadne | because i have no idea what will happen with the equipment. i believe the estate plans to liquidate it all | Dec 31 15:05 |
| schestowitz | this is sad | Dec 31 15:05 |
| Ariadne | i think the main advantages for speed is the use of xfs and more ram for cache | Dec 31 15:08 |
| Ariadne | mpm_preform is still problematic | Dec 31 15:08 |
| Ariadne | prefork | Dec 31 15:08 |
| Ariadne | even | Dec 31 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | new server had already done 40gb of traffic for techrights it says | Dec 31 15:30 |
| schestowitz | in a matter of hours the old techrights server probably would get just scraps | Dec 31 15:31 |
| schestowitz | when we moved from tessier's DC to the other one I think that even after 3 days we saw some traffic on the old, but mostly bots | Dec 31 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | we've just transitioned bulletin+ipfs to cron job (fully automated) | Dec 31 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Having tested things manually or audited output (human operator) for 1.5 months now, we’ve just transitioned to full automation for techrights bulletin and ipfs updates – will check logs hours later just to ensure no obvious errors encountered (cron jobs) | Dec 31 15:49 |
| schestowitz | vZS1 was right.. Expansion to Tier 4 here as well | Dec 31 15:51 |
| schestowitz | and Birmingham | Dec 31 15:51 |
| schestowitz | soon nationwide? | Dec 31 15:51 |
| schestowitz | he said boxing day | Dec 31 15:53 |
| schestowitz | just 5 days apart | Dec 31 15:53 |
| schestowitz | only 3 places left in tier 3 | Dec 31 15:54 |
| schestowitz | inc. bristol surprisingly enough | Dec 31 15:54 |
| schestowitz | WTH? Almost all of England now instructed to stay home (Tier 4). Even places where the number of COVID positives isn’t high at all. | Dec 31 15:58 |
| schestowitz | it is lower than average here | Dec 31 15:58 |
| schestowitz | I don't suppose we're back to the gym Jan 9th as scheduled/planned (for reopening) | Dec 31 16:02 |
| scientes | schestowitz, that wget | bash problem is why I don't run archlinux | Dec 31 16:06 |
| scientes | despite it having quite a bit of traction these days | Dec 31 16:06 |
| scientes | they use to not even sign their packages | Dec 31 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | scientes: signing is one thing | Dec 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | auditing is another | Dec 31 16:53 |
| scientes | yes, they do not audit | Dec 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | or a combination of other things | Dec 31 16:53 |
| scientes | that is why I don't use arch | Dec 31 16:53 |
| scientes | there is no bias against non-free stuff | Dec 31 16:53 |
| scientes | so it infects the archive | Dec 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | quality of something cannot be based on a digital signature alone for authenticy | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | it can be authentic and rogue at the same time | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | like Windows is | Dec 31 16:54 |
| scientes | non-free stuff has taken down many distributions | Dec 31 16:54 |
| scientes | (include Ubuntu in some ways) | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | sabayon renamed | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | recently | Dec 31 16:54 |
| scientes | and is a big reason that Debian has lasted as long as it has | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | tons of blobs there, iirc | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | ubuntu=snap=skype, spotify... | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | this is not what I switched to gnu for 20+ years ago | Dec 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't want "Cheap mac" | Dec 31 16:55 |
| scientes | hahaha | Dec 31 16:55 |
| scientes | the canonical people are mac fanboys | Dec 31 16:55 |
| scientes | they did some cool stuff in the early days | Dec 31 16:55 |
| scientes | like actually do user testing on interfaces | Dec 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz | HIG they call it? | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | all that template for ux thing? | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | "ux"... there's a piece of hype for you | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | they used to call it ui | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | then x factor added | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | ue does not sound as exciting and edge | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | user eXperience | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | I don't always get it | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | sometimes I do, sometimes I don't | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | they made it seem or feel like a science | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | the "data science" BS (neo-BS) similarly | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | what next, "The Art of Community"? (Jono Bacon) | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Management as an "art"?! | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | which brush, boss? | Dec 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | oh, yeah, THAT brush | Dec 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | brush me up, sir, ooooh I like it | Dec 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | you're such an artist bosss | Dec 31 17:11 |
| scientes | if Turkey invaded Georgia today, I don't think anyone would notice | Dec 31 17:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 31 17:25 |
| scientes | there are so many loud explosions outside | Dec 31 17:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, lots of barbarians with (illegal) explosives on a day when it is traditional to bother other people with explosives => lots of loud explosions | Dec 31 17:29 |
| MinceR | i hate living in a city | Dec 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Very important new post: http://techrights.org/2020/12/31/oliva-new-year/ | Dec 31 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Alexandre Oliva: Happier GNU Year! | Techrights | Dec 31 17:52 | |
| scientes | wow after getting use to 4K, switching back to 1080p fonts looks like shit | Dec 31 17:55 |
| Ariadne | looks like almost all traffic has been shed | Dec 31 17:55 |
| Ariadne | scientes: 4K vs 1080p is the difference between me getting a migraine in a couple of hours of use or not at all | Dec 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: for techrights, not so much for tuxmachines | Dec 31 17:57 |
| schestowitz | 1.7 reqs/sec | Dec 31 17:57 |
| schestowitz | for the older one | Dec 31 17:57 |
| schestowitz | in the meantime I barely link to the sites, to avoid people going the wrong way | Dec 31 17:57 |
| scientes | Ariadne, and they still sell 768p monitors on laptops | Dec 31 17:58 |
| Ariadne | techrights is shed yes | Dec 31 17:59 |
| Ariadne | tuxmachines i think needs a little bit more time but almost there | Dec 31 17:59 |
| Ariadne | scientes: low-res LCD monitors are hell for nearsighted people | Dec 31 18:00 |
| scientes | ??? | Dec 31 18:01 |
| scientes | you just mean people that can actually see? | Dec 31 18:01 |
| MinceR | apparently explosions weren't enough, because the kiddie-fuckers started ringing bells | Dec 31 18:01 |
| Ariadne | maybe i mean farsighted | Dec 31 18:02 |
| Ariadne | i forget | Dec 31 18:02 |
| Ariadne | either way, looking at low res lcd panels is tiring | Dec 31 18:02 |
| Ariadne | for me :P | Dec 31 18:02 |
| scientes | can you see the screen without glasses? | Dec 31 18:04 |
| Ariadne | yes, but i get eyestrain with low res panels :) | Dec 31 18:05 |
| scientes | ok near-sighted | Dec 31 18:05 |
| Ariadne | probably need glasses soon | Dec 31 18:05 |
| scientes | you should go, it is included in obamacare, and buy glasses at zenni.com | Dec 31 18:06 |
| scientes | its pretty straight-forward | Dec 31 18:06 |
| scientes | glasses makes outside much less strain, just because of the UV block | Dec 31 18:06 |
| Ariadne | i don't have obamacare, i use the indian health service (ihs.gov) | Dec 31 18:07 |
| scientes | oh in india is should all be easy | Dec 31 18:07 |
| Ariadne | indian health service is a US program for indigenous people | Dec 31 18:07 |
| scientes | just in the rich-ass countries you have to avoid the italian mob | Dec 31 18:07 |
| Ariadne | has nothing to do with india | Dec 31 18:07 |
| scientes | that controls so much of the glasses business | Dec 31 18:08 |
| scientes | oh first nations | Dec 31 18:08 |
| scientes | much better term | Dec 31 18:08 |
| scientes | i guess you wait .gob | Dec 31 18:08 |
| scientes | but still | Dec 31 18:08 |
| scientes | *said | Dec 31 18:08 |
| scientes | anyways, you have to avoid the italian mob | Dec 31 18:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Unless used internationally, then it breaks. | Dec 31 18:09 |
| scientes | so you have to make sure they give you your proscription, and don't buy glasses from the person who does the exam | Dec 31 18:09 |
| XRevan86 | Both break. | Dec 31 18:09 |
| scientes | XRevan86, really? probably just russia | Dec 31 18:09 |
| scientes | https://www.whitehouse.gov/ | Dec 31 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.whitehouse.gov | The White House | Dec 31 18:10 | |
| scientes | works fine | Dec 31 18:10 |
| scientes | ^^and techrights bot is not in US either | Dec 31 18:10 |
| Ariadne | yes it is | Dec 31 18:10 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I mean that "first nations" is a very territory specific term. | Dec 31 18:10 |
| Ariadne | it also needs to be moved to the new VM :P | Dec 31 18:11 |
| scientes | XRevan86, american first nations | Dec 31 18:11 |
| scientes | anyways, its what canada uses, and it is better than indian for obvious territory-specific-term-reasons | Dec 31 18:11 |
| Ariadne | i agree | Dec 31 18:11 |
| Ariadne | but i also like to refer to things as what they are actually caused | Dec 31 18:12 |
| scientes | yes | Dec 31 18:12 |
| Ariadne | anyway, if you're indigenous, you get socialised medicine in the US | Dec 31 18:12 |
| XRevan86 | Yea, "Indian" is about a different people on the other side of the globe. | Dec 31 18:12 |
| Ariadne | if you're not, have fun with obamacare | Dec 31 18:12 |
| Ariadne | ;) | Dec 31 18:12 |
| scientes | Ariadne, I left the US almost 2 years ago | Dec 31 18:12 |
| Ariadne | obamacare bronze plan $399 per month | Dec 31 18:12 |
| Ariadne | fuck THAT | Dec 31 18:12 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: traffic is very low now, i'll give it another 2 hours and start DBAN on the old machine. sound good | Dec 31 18:13 |
| scientes | healthcare is totally broken in the US, except as you say Indian and Veterens | Dec 31 18:13 |
| Ariadne | ? | Dec 31 18:13 |
| Ariadne | VA has a lot of problems too | Dec 31 18:14 |
| Ariadne | so does IHS | Dec 31 18:14 |
| Ariadne | they're all broken in different ways | Dec 31 18:14 |
| scientes | of course, when it is all split up like that politics to improve it is impossible | Dec 31 18:14 |
| Ariadne | obamacare is really broken though | Dec 31 18:14 |
| scientes | it is unhinged from the culture | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz | [18:13] <Ariadne> schestowitz: traffic is very low now, i'll give it another 2 hours and start DBAN on the old machine. sound good | Dec 31 18:15 |
| Ariadne | for an obamacare plan you'd actually want to use | Dec 31 18:15 |
| schestowitz | maybe another day or two? | Dec 31 18:15 |
| Ariadne | it is like $500 a month | Dec 31 18:15 |
| schestowitz | I want to check the script changes and stuff | Dec 31 18:15 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i have no idea what happens come midnight | Dec 31 18:15 |
| schestowitz | there's more to it than just apache | Dec 31 18:15 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see | Dec 31 18:15 |
| scientes | Ariadne, https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/08/hunger-insurance.html | Dec 31 18:16 |
| schestowitz | you worry it might go offline with data on it | Dec 31 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cluborlov.blogspot.com | ClubOrlov: Hunger Insurance | Dec 31 18:16 | |
| Ariadne | correct | Dec 31 18:16 |
| schestowitz | so I'll do lots of testing | Dec 31 18:16 |
| schestowitz | lots and lots | Dec 31 18:16 |
| Ariadne | scientes: basically yeah | Dec 31 18:16 |
| Ariadne | they should make health insurance illegal | Dec 31 18:17 |
| scientes | Ariadne, anyways when I was in the US I didn't work because people just steal it all | Dec 31 18:17 |
| Ariadne | it is basically responsible for creating the problem we are in | Dec 31 18:17 |
| Ariadne | hospitals charge what they charge because health insurance negotiates it down | Dec 31 18:18 |
| scientes | so I was refering to the baseline obamacare, which was the entire purpose of the thing---to prevent those without anything from getting together and going around the US government pyramid scheme | Dec 31 18:18 |
| scientes | I only saw the purpose of working once I left the US | Dec 31 18:19 |
| scientes | seriously | Dec 31 18:19 |
| scientes | too many robbers in the US | Dec 31 18:19 |
| scientes | they call themselves the government | Dec 31 18:19 |
| CrystalMath | scientes: where did you move to? | Dec 31 18:21 |
| MinceR | which government does not consist of robbers? | Dec 31 18:23 |
| scientes | MinceR, ahh, you make a great point | Dec 31 18:23 |
| scientes | CrystalMath, initially I was in South America, but arbitrage of working on the internet has its limits of course | Dec 31 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The hell of being consigned to paperwork continues. | Dec 31 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I spoke with some lawyers who at least gave me some free legal advice about our case. | Dec 31 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They told me how to "hack" the paperwork to boost our calculable income by $4,396 for the year. | Dec 31 18:26 |
| *schestowitz switches bots over to new server | Dec 31 18:28 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 | Dec 31 18:34 |
| schestowitz | yay, no headaches on this one | Dec 31 18:35 |
| schestowitz | 3 more to go | Dec 31 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: tuxmachines traffic dying down too now, I'm speeding up what I can | Dec 31 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I hope we have some spare backups of things just in case, aside from DB backups. | Dec 31 18:39 |
| schestowitz | like... just in cases one RAID goes bonkers | Dec 31 18:39 |
| cybrNaut | MS had a patent on a butt hinge with butt straps, briefly => https://www.networkworld.com/article/2236479/why-would-microsoft-patent-a--butt-hinge-with-butt-straps--.html | Dec 31 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Why would Microsoft patent a 'butt hinge with butt straps'? | Network World | Dec 31 18:48 | |
| schestowitz | Back when IDG still publicised news | Dec 31 18:51 |
| schestowitz | now it's a spam engine | Dec 31 18:51 |
| schestowitz | companies pay it | Dec 31 18:51 |
| schestowitz | and then this chinese-owned IDG posts spam for them | Dec 31 18:51 |
| schestowitz | it is really embarrassing | Dec 31 18:51 |
| schestowitz | even sponsors realise it's not worth it anymore | Dec 31 18:51 |
| schestowitz | so they go to zdnet | Dec 31 18:52 |
| schestowitz | while it lasts | Dec 31 18:52 |
| schestowitz | people won't stand zdnet for much longer | Dec 31 18:52 |
| schestowitz | then they'll use their sister site techrepublic until its reputation too is dead | Dec 31 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: hi | Dec 31 19:19 |
| vZS1 | Hello | Dec 31 19:19 |
| schestowitz | [15:49] <schestowitz> we've just transitioned bulletin+ipfs to cron job (fully automated) | Dec 31 19:21 |
| schestowitz | [15:49] <schestowitz> Having tested things manually or audited output (human operator) for 1.5 months now, we’ve just transitioned to full automation for techrights bulletin and ipfs updates – will check logs hours later just to ensure no obvious errors encountered (cron jobs) | Dec 31 19:21 |
| schestowitz | [15:51] <schestowitz> vZS1 was right.. Expansion to Tier 4 here as well | Dec 31 19:21 |
| vZS1 | Wish I wasn't. But here we are | Dec 31 19:26 |
| CrystalMath | gotta protect amazon's record profits | Dec 31 19:27 |
| Ariadne | cool | Dec 31 19:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | USCIS is changing more of their policies. | Dec 31 19:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Old policy: You could sponsor an immigrant if you are currently on a means-tested public benefit, as long as the immigrant isn't. / New policy: If you have used a means-tested public benefit within the last 36 months, you can't sponsor an immigrant. | Dec 31 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's not finalized yet. They didn't propose the rule until October 28th, so it couldn't take effect until the end of April. | Dec 31 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that Biden is going to continue pursuing this. Catholic Charities legal clinic posted an article that says they expect that Biden will rollback most of Trump's changes quickly and freeze the ones that haven't taken effect. | Dec 31 19:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The Chinese government throwing its weight behind Linux makes a lot of sense. The US government mentions Chinese companies, Lenovo by name, as potentially putting Chinese backdoors into American computers. As if there was nothing they could do about that. | Dec 31 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they don't mention that the US government puts backdoors into Microsoft stuff, which is a lot nastier than a BIOS that just boots the computer to an operating system. | Dec 31 20:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The US Office of Foreign Asset Control could demand that importers prove their stuff isn't hardware backdoored and stop it from coming into the country. | Dec 31 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But China didn't take an active interest in getting rid of Windows for years. They just sort of waited until Microsoft started black screening most of the (pirate) copies they were letting slide for over a decade in order to build dependency. | Dec 31 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OFAC's sanctions actually do cause headaches even for foreign officials who think they're beyond its reach. | Dec 31 20:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Oh my god... | Dec 31 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the Catholic Charities legal advice and the Instructions for I-864 from USCIS conflict. | Dec 31 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Catholic legal clinic says fill out an I-864A if you need your spouse's income to count, and Instructions for I-864 from USCIS says you don't have to as long as they are not bringing kids they want to sponsor and that their income will still count for the household. | Dec 31 20:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm just going to do what USCIS instructions say to do. | Dec 31 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anything else would probably complicate things and piss off whichever officer has to look over this packet. | Dec 31 20:22 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I suppose it couldn't hurt to list assets. | Dec 31 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of discouragement from doing that for some reason. | Dec 31 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Catholic legal CLINIC says it's not heavily weighted, but in my opinion if you're having some trouble showing income but you can show that you were responsible enough to amass considerable savings, then it might move the needle. | Dec 31 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "But in reality, assets are seldom used to satisfy the income requirement. Remember that they must be “significant” and able to be converted into cash within one year. This boils down to money in a bank account, stocks or bonds, and the value of any real estate. With housing values rebounding, this last alternative is the most popular. Although the agency’s policy is to require certified real estate apprais | Dec 31 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | have seen a lot of cases where the sponsor submitted one obtained from the Internet." | Dec 31 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, immigration is stricter than bankruptcy. For the Kia I only had to approximate its value so I listed the year and mileage and the options it had on it, and the private party value that was listed by Edmunds. | Dec 31 21:04 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I've realized that software people generally do not know what they are talking about | Dec 31 21:07 |
| scientes | and the problem is that no-one really has any grasp of what is going | Dec 31 21:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Least of all at Microsoft. | Dec 31 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This UWP platform is mostly independent of Win32, but the idea that they want to market something else that only does UWP can only end in disaster. | Dec 31 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many of the applications in the Windows store are Desktop Bridge programs that use Win32, so without that you can't even really call it Windows. | Dec 31 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone else at Microsoft admitted it was a mistake to do a red line between the APIs and they want to make UWP APIs available to all applications. | Dec 31 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So some of them did a postmortem of Windows RT and others obviously didn't. | Dec 31 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the ones that didn't are in charge of new products. | Dec 31 21:12 |
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| scientes | or even what the hell they are talking about | Dec 31 21:42 |
| psydroid | And this will lead to the company's eventual demise as you can't even write applications that use the same API on x86 and ARM other than using deprecated Win32 and UWP (both of which I don't know much about anyway) or cumbersome toolchains that aren't properly integrated into the environment | Dec 31 21:43 |
| scientes | psydroid, you can use this https://justine.lol/cosmopolitan/index.html | Dec 31 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-justine.lol | Cosmopolitan C Library | Dec 31 21:43 | |
| psydroid | no one seems to know anything about anything anymore | Dec 31 21:44 |
| scientes | psydroid, and lots of windows games are doing something they never did before: make their own system calls | Dec 31 21:44 |
| scientes | so basically they are just treating windows as a UNIX kernel | Dec 31 21:44 |
| scientes | (which it is) | Dec 31 21:44 |
| scientes | basically the only problem with windows is that it is non-free | Dec 31 21:45 |
| scientes | like DX11 was actually ahead of everybody else (mostly because a Vulkan-like thing was shelved) | Dec 31 21:45 |
| scientes | and the mesa people liked DX11 | Dec 31 21:45 |
| scientes | and the security angle is kinda bunk, because Linux really isn't any more secure than windows, it is just more of a PITA to exploit | Dec 31 21:46 |
| psydroid | scientes, I had a brief look at it, I'll have to work with it to actually get what it does | Dec 31 21:47 |
| psydroid | yeah, I don't believe in Linux security being great, but it is free software so anyone can fix issues in the code, if you can make sense of the spaghetti it has become (and possibly always has been) | Dec 31 21:49 |
| scientes | psydroid, it is speghetti is more of a security sense than a code sense | Dec 31 21:53 |
| scientes | the core code is good for the architecture it has | Dec 31 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard that Wine was starting to have trouble with direct system call applications from Windows. | Dec 31 21:54 |
| scientes | but given that core developers claim that their eyes hurt after seeing driver code, I think those drivers should run in a virtual memory sandbox | Dec 31 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the Windows NT architecture, Win32 is just an API personality. | Dec 31 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can bypass it and use native system calls, but a lot of the Native API and system calls are undocumented or incorrectly documented by Microsoft, and they can change them or how they behave if they want. | Dec 31 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you risk your application working now and not working the next time there's a new version of Windows. | Dec 31 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or working for you, but not someone using Windows 8. | Dec 31 21:55 |
| MinceR | GNU/Linux doesn't force you to run tons of vulnerable shit, like Backdoors and Lendows do | Dec 31 21:56 |
| scientes | it is quite a bit better | Dec 31 21:57 |
| MinceR | and it's possible that the redmond mafia hasn't managed to run Linux into the ground yet | Dec 31 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft has been pretty conservative about API removal in Win32. | Dec 31 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And when they do, you can pretty much just put it back. Like, DirectX installers will still put DirectX 9 files on Windows 10 for old games to use | Dec 31 22:01 |
| scientes | psydroid, I just want to reduce the number of features, instead of add them | Dec 31 22:14 |
| scientes | like a think a flat view of memory as the default | Dec 31 22:15 |
| scientes | instead of virtual memory | Dec 31 22:15 |
| scientes | and then it might be possible to get rid of system mode | Dec 31 22:15 |
| scientes | and make everything user mode | Dec 31 22:15 |
| MinceR | and let any error in any application bring down the whole system | Dec 31 22:16 |
| scientes | and as long as you have both virtual memory and flat memory I think you can do this gradually | Dec 31 22:16 |
| scientes | MinceR, no with memory protection | Dec 31 22:16 |
| scientes | memory protection but not virtual memory | Dec 31 22:16 |
| MinceR | how is that a "flat view of memory"? | Dec 31 22:16 |
| scientes | MinceR, remember virtual memory was so you could port DOS apps | Dec 31 22:16 |
| scientes | this was before PIE code | Dec 31 22:16 |
| MinceR | i do remember V86 mode | Dec 31 22:16 |
| MinceR | it depends on virtual memory | Dec 31 22:16 |
| scientes | you don't need virtual memory for memory protection | Dec 31 22:16 |
| scientes | you can just have read-write-execute on flat memory | Dec 31 22:17 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure how that would work | Dec 31 22:17 |
| scientes | its basically malloc(size, read-write-execute) | Dec 31 22:17 |
| MinceR | your application would have some uncomfortable memory layout and a ton of pages mapped that cause faults if it tries to read, write or execute them? | Dec 31 22:17 |
| scientes | MinceR, apps don't care about memory layout | Dec 31 22:17 |
| scientes | its all PIE code | Dec 31 22:17 |
| MinceR | that's because they get comfortable memory layouts via virtual memory :> | Dec 31 22:18 |
| scientes | but they don't care these days | Dec 31 22:18 |
| scientes | its all PIE | Dec 31 22:18 |
| scientes | all you need is malloc() | Dec 31 22:18 |
| MinceR | also, i doubt PIE helps if your application needs more than 1 page | Dec 31 22:18 |
| scientes | no, everything is PIE, and pages are only 4K so every app needs more than one page | Dec 31 22:18 |
| MinceR | referring to your data segment relative to the current instruction in another page is bound to be a pain in the ass | Dec 31 22:19 |
| MinceR | if it's doable at all | Dec 31 22:19 |
| scientes | not really | Dec 31 22:19 |
| scientes | it is identical to how it is done today | Dec 31 22:19 |
| scientes | with ELF | Dec 31 22:19 |
| scientes | you just use a relocation | Dec 31 22:19 |
| scientes | and a call table | Dec 31 22:20 |
| MinceR | afaik PIE is only done within code segments | Dec 31 22:20 |
| MinceR | (including those of libraries) | Dec 31 22:20 |
| scientes | well yeah you need to be able to map the size of your code to contiguous memory | Dec 31 22:20 |
| scientes | but that is a win, not a loss, as it means you only need one lookup | Dec 31 22:21 |
| scientes | instead of size / 4KB lookups | Dec 31 22:21 |
| scientes | and it would be nice to also port seL4 to just be the C ABI | Dec 31 22:28 |
| scientes | so the dynamic linker becomes the OS hah | Dec 31 22:28 |
| scientes | yeah, that's the way to do it | Dec 31 22:29 |
| scientes | so 1. implement dual flat/virtual memory view | Dec 31 22:32 |
| scientes | 2. port sel4 to C ABI | Dec 31 22:32 |
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