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techrights-newsAarch64 for GNOME Nightly apps • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168014Aug 05 05:26
techrights-newsThe August 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168015Aug 05 05:27
techrights-newsXen, QEMU update in Tumbleweed • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168016Aug 05 05:27
techrights-newsUbuntu 22.04.1 Point Release Delayed Until Aug 11 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168017Aug 05 05:28
techrights-newsGoogle #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168018Aug 05 05:28
techrights-newsNew Ubuntu Linux version tragically delayed by serious bug http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168017#comment-34512Aug 05 05:30
techrights-newsMajor Snap Bug Delays Ubuntu 22.04 Point Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168017#comment-34513Aug 05 05:47
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techrights-newsUbuntu Focal user? Expect a Jammy upgrade popup soon • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168019 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Ubuntu_Focal_user_Expect_a_Jammy_upgrade_popup_soon.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Ubuntu_Focal_user_Expect_a_Jammy_upgrade_popup_soon.gmiAug 05 06:23
techrights-newsThe Creature Has A New Master... • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168020 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/The_Creature_Has_A_New_Master.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/The_Creature_Has_A_New_Master.gmiAug 05 06:23
techrights-newsVideos: Linux Mint 21 Cinnamon, Google’s Distro, Peppermint OS 08-02-2022, and Fedora • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168021 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/videos.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/videos.gmiAug 05 06:23
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techrights-newsLilbits: GitLab could delete inactive projects http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167997#comment-34515Aug 05 06:34
techrights-news52Pi CM4 Router Board also features HDMI, 40-pin Raspberry Pi HAT header, and OLED display • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168022Aug 05 06:41
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168023 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/today_s_howtos.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/today_s_howtos.gmiAug 05 07:01
techrights-newsThis Extension Enables Rounded Window Corners in Ubuntu 22.04/Fedora36 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168024 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Gnome_finally_has_an_extension.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Gnome_finally_has_an_extension.gmiAug 05 07:06
techrights-newsdigiKam 7.7.0 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166544#comment-34516Aug 05 07:13
techrights-newsSelected Items From PCLinuxOS Magazine • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168025 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Selected_Items_From_PCLinuxOS_Magazine.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Selected_Items_From_PCLinuxOS_Magazine.gmiAug 05 07:18
techrights-newsSecurity Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168026 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Security_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Security_Leftovers.gmiAug 05 07:21
techrights-newsConverting An 80s Typewriter Into A Linux Terminal • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168027 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Converting_An_80s_Typewriter_Into_A_Linux_Terminal.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Converting_An_80s_Typewriter_Into_A_Linux_Terminal.gmiAug 05 07:35
techrights-newsThis dirt cheap 4G LTE modem on a USB stick can be hacked to run mainline Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168028 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/But_hackers_have_discovered_that_they_can_be_modified_to_run_mainline.shtmlAug 05 07:36
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168029Aug 05 07:39
techrights-newsKIO Admin • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168030 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/KIO_Admin.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/KIO_Admin.gmiAug 05 07:55
techrights-newsUBR-1 on ROS2 Humble • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168031 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/The_latest_ROS2_release_came_out_just_a_few_weeks_ago_ROS2_Humble_targets_Ubuntu_2204.shtmlAug 05 08:04
techrights-newsOpen Hardware: Librem and Arduino Projects • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168032 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Open_Hardware_Librem_and_Arduino_Projects.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Open_Hardware_Librem_and_Arduino_Projects.gmiAug 05 08:09
techrights-newsLinks 05/08/2022: KIO Admin, GitLab’s Betrayal | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/kio-admin/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/kio-admin/Aug 05 08:32
techrights-news⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Leftovers_UEFI_Trouble_and_Red_Hat_Fluff.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Leftovers_UEFI_Trouble_and_Red_Hat_Fluff.gmiLeftovers: UEFI Trouble and Red Hat Fluff • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168033Aug 05 08:32
techrights-newsProgramming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168034 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/programming_2.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/programming_2.gmiAug 05 08:33
techrights-newsFSF Outsourcing to Libera.Chat, SCaLE Hosts Openwashers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168035 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/FSF_Outsourcing_to_Libera_Chat_SCaLE_Hosts_Openwashers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/FSF_Outsourcing_to_Libera_Chat_SCaLE_Hosts_Openwashers.gmiAug 05 08:33
techrights-newsMigrating away from WordPress • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168036 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Migrating_away_from_WordPress.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Migrating_away_from_WordPress.gmiAug 05 08:48
techrights-newsIRC Proceedings: Thursday, August 04, 2022 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/irc-log-040822/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/irc-log-040822/Aug 05 09:43
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168037 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/howtos_3.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/howtos_3.gmiAug 05 09:56
techrights-newsInexpensive, Snapdragon 410-based “4G LTE WiFi Modem” made to run Debian 11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168028#comment-34517Aug 05 09:57
techrights-newsScalable storage for the masses to debut in ownCloud Infinite Scale • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168038 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/ownCloud_users_have_only_had_the_opportunity_to_choose_between_simple_local_file_storage.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/ownCloud_users_have_only_had_the_opportunity_to_choose_between_simple_local_file_storage.gmiAug 05 10:22
Techrights-sec2otr: a former classmate ran a highly profitable knowledge based business forAug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: ten profitable years; he blew himself out of the water by signing aAug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: contract with M$ that last year even though, given his background,Aug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: he should have known better.  He was out of business within the year.Aug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: anyway, the 10  years he was around he was profitable each quarter andAug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: made millions.  During his profitable period, he refused non-textAug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: e-mail, and insisted that applicant send their resumes in plain textAug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: iirc he's were I got that quote, "plain text, it was good enough forAug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: Shakespeare"Aug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: he didn't figure it out though and seemed to think it was a mystery whyAug 05 10:25
Techrights-sec2otr: he went from 10 profitable years to being out of business in a few monthsAug 05 10:26
techrights-newsStreaming with Linux: Amazon Music Unlimited • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168039 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Streaming_with_Linux_Amazon_Music_Unlimited.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Streaming_with_Linux_Amazon_Music_Unlimited.gmiAug 05 10:32
techrights-news16 Open-source Projects to Build a CCTV System With Raspberry Pi • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168040 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Raspberry_Pi_is_still_the_most_popular_affordable_SBC.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Raspberry_Pi_is_still_the_most_popular_affordable_SBC.gmiAug 05 10:40
techrights-newsContent Management Systems: WordPress and Online Chats (WWW-Based) • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168041 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Content_Management_Systems_WordPress_and_Online_Chats_WWW_Based.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Content_Management_Systems_WordPress_and_Online_Chats_WWW_Based.gmiAug 05 10:47
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techrights-newsAsia Has Already Left Windows Behind | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/leaving-windows-behind/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/leaving-windows-behind/Aug 05 11:00
Techrights-sec2otr: the sabotage of the laptops was forecast decades ago and we've watched Aug 05 11:01
Techrights-sec2otr: this slow-motion train wreck happen all that timeAug 05 11:01
techrights-newsMangoPi MQ Pro with 64-bit RISC-V processor • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168042 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/MangoPi_MQ_Pro_with_64_bit_RISC_V_processor.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/MangoPi_MQ_Pro_with_64_bit_RISC_V_processor.gmiAug 05 11:14
techrights-newsGoogle #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168043 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Android_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Android_Leftovers.gmiAug 05 11:17
techrights-newsMini-GUADEC 2022 Berlin: retrospective http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167633#comment-34518Aug 05 11:33
techrights-newsRed Hat / Fedora Family / IBM Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168044 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/_Red_Hat_Fedora_Family_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/_Red_Hat_Fedora_Family_IBM_Leftovers.gmiAug 05 11:33
techrights-newsTux Machines is Now on Gemini and Techrights’ Gemini Capsule Restored After Outage That Killed the Whole System (Again) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/gemini-capsule-restored/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/gemini-capsule-restored/Aug 05 13:00
techrights-newsGames: Nintendo Joy-Con, Crypt of the Necrodancer, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168045 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Games_Nintendo_Joy_Con_Crypt_of_the_Necrodancer_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Games_Nintendo_Joy_Con_Crypt_of_the_Necrodancer_and_More.gmiAug 05 13:16
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techrights-newsTux Machines is Now on Gemini • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168046 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Time_to_Make_Mageia_9_Beautiful_The_Artwork_Drop_is_Open.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Time_to_Make_Mageia_9_Beautiful_The_Artwork_Drop_is_Open.gmiAug 05 13:43
techrights-newsTime to Make Mageia 9 Beautiful - The Artwork Drop is Open • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168047Aug 05 13:44
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techrights-newsRecruitment Potential at the EPO Has Never Been Worse | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/recruitment-epo-catastrophe/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/recruitment-epo-catastrophe/Aug 05 15:43
techrights-newsAntónio Campinos Once Again Failing to Obey Court Orders, Making Up Ludicrous Excuses for Non-Compliance | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/epo-cant-obey-court-orders/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/epo-cant-obey-court-orders/Aug 05 16:38
Techrights-sec2otr: messing with new router hereAug 05 16:43
techrights-news[Meme] Dignity of Criminals | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/privacy-for-criminals/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/privacy-for-criminals/Aug 05 17:05
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techrights-news[Meme] Criminals Have Feelings Too... | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/the-dignity-of-criminals/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/the-dignity-of-criminals/Aug 05 17:40
Techrights-sec2otr: it looks like it will take some days to get into placeAug 05 17:43
techrights-news#HowTo Enable PipeWire and Disable PulseAudio in Ubuntu 22.04 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168048Aug 05 17:45
techrights-newsToday in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168049 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Today_in_Techrights.gmiAug 05 17:47
techrights-newsLinks 05/08/2022: Mageia 9 Wants Artwork | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/mageia-9-wants-artwork/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/mageia-9-wants-artwork/Aug 05 18:33
techrights-newsSecurity Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168050 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Security_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Security_Leftovers.gmiAug 05 18:34
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168051 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/howtos_4.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/howtos_4.gmiAug 05 18:34
techrights-newsVideos: Ransomware, RegEx, Linux Mint 21, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168052Aug 05 18:34
techrights-newsToday’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168053 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/leftovers-5.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/leftovers-5.gmiAug 05 18:35
Techrights-sec2otr: in the middle of a long phone call and can't multitask to that levelAug 05 18:36
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techrights-newsA Wild Metadata Cleaner for Linux Appeared! • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168054 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/A_Wild_Metadata_Cleaner_for_Linux_Appeared.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/A_Wild_Metadata_Cleaner_for_Linux_Appeared.gmiAug 05 20:22
techrights-newsGoogle #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168055Aug 05 20:23
techrights-newsLinux Mint 20.3 Users Can Now Upgrade to Linux Mint 21, Here’s How • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168056Aug 05 20:23
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techrights-newsFancy a freshened up SLAX or ChromeOS replacement Peppermint OS? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167969#comment-34520Aug 05 21:24
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techrights-newsGNUnet 0.17.3 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168057 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/GNUnet_0_17_3.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/GNUnet_0_17_3.gmiAug 05 21:44
techrights-newsGNU Binutils 2.39 Released • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168058 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/GNU_Binutils_2_39_Released.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/GNU_Binutils_2_39_Released.gmiAug 05 21:53
techrights-newsOne can guess what's happening here. Linux Today has basically sold out.http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/linux-today-zdnet/Aug 05 22:03
techrights-newsThe 4 Best Self-Hosted Google Photos Alternatives • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168059 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/The_4_Best_Self_Hosted_Google_Photos_Alternatives.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/The_4_Best_Self_Hosted_Google_Photos_Alternatives.gmiAug 05 22:13
techrights-newsFitting Endless OS images on small disks • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168060 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Fitting_Endless_OS_images_on_small_disks.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Fitting_Endless_OS_images_on_small_disks.gmiAug 05 22:43
techrights-newsLinks 05/08/2022: GNUnet 0.17.3 and GNU Binutils 2.39 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/08/05/gnu-binutils-2-39/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/05/gnu-binutils-2-39/Aug 05 23:00
techrights-newsSecurity and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168061 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Security_and_Fear_Uncertainty_Doubt_FUD.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Security_and_Fear_Uncertainty_Doubt_FUD.gmiAug 05 23:02
techrights-newsDebian: Thorsten Alteholz, Dirk Eddelbuettel, and Sparky Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168062 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Debian_Thorsten_Alteholz_Dirk_Eddelbuettel_and_Sparky_Linux.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/Debian_Thorsten_Alteholz_Dirk_Eddelbuettel_and_Sparky_Linux.gmiAug 05 23:03
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168063 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/today_s_howtos.2.gmiAug 05 23:03
techrights-newsToday’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/168064 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/today_s_leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/05/today_s_leftovers.gmiAug 05 23:03
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techrights-newsUpdate #9<: Linux Today used to be a hub for Linux news. Now it's just webspam operation for a sister site of ZDNet. http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/linux-today-zdnet/Aug 05 23:20
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