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techrights-news | Techrights – Links 07/11/2024: Political Angst and Laptop Issues ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Links_07_11_2024_Political_Angst_and_Laptop_Issues.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Links_07_11_2024_Political_Angst_and_Laptop_Issues.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 00:37 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Release of Dr.Parted 24.11 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Release_of_Dr_Parted_24_11.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Release_of_Dr_Parted_24_11.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 00:46 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): 4MLinux 46.1 STABLE released. ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/4MLinux_46_1_STABLE_released.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/4MLinux_46_1_STABLE_released.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 00:50 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Linux Lite 7.2 Released with Lite Theme Manager, Based on Ubuntu 24.04 LTS ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/10/31/Linux_Lite_7_2_Released_with_Lite_Theme_Manager_Based_on_Ubuntu.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/10/31/Linux_Lite_7_2_Released_with_Lite_Theme_Manager_Based_on_Ubuntu.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 00:53 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Br OS 24.10 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Br_OS_24_10.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Br_OS_24_10.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 00:58 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): BackBox Linux 9 released! ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/BackBox_Linux_9_released.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/BackBox_Linux_9_released.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 01:01 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): GIMP 3.0 Release Candidate Is Now Available for Public Testing ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/GIMP_3_0_Release_Candidate_Is_Now_Available_for_Public_Testing.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/GIMP_3_0_Release_Candidate_Is_Now_Available_for_Public_Testing.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 01:07 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Release of Pisi GNU/Linux 2.4 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Release_of_Pisi_GNU_Linux_2_4.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Release_of_Pisi_GNU_Linux_2_4.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 01:07 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): NethSecurity project milestone 8.3 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/NethSecurity_project_milestone_8_3.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/NethSecurity_project_milestone_8_3.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 01:15 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Parted Magic 2024.11.03 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Parted_Magic_2024_11_03.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Parted_Magic_2024_11_03.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 01:17 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Linuxfx 11.24.04 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Linuxfx_11_24_04.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Linuxfx_11_24_04.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 01:18 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Peropesis 2.8: OpenSSH ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Peropesis_2_8_OpenSSH.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Peropesis_2_8_OpenSSH.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 01:23 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): LWN Articles About Linux Kernel ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/LWN_Articles_About_Linux_Kernel.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/LWN_Articles_About_Linux_Kernel.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 01:38 |
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techrights-news | Techrights – We've Made it to 18! Here's to Another 18! ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/We_ve_Made_it_to_18_Here_s_to_Another_18.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/We_ve_Made_it_to_18_Here_s_to_Another_18.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 01:53 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Audiocasts/Shows/Videos About GNU/Linux ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Audiocasts_Shows_Videos_About_GNU_Linux.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Audiocasts_Shows_Videos_About_GNU_Linux.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 02:24 |
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schestowitz-pi | http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/06/Windows_Gets_Infected_Media_Blames_Linux.shtml | Nov 07 02:34 |
schestowitz-pi | tr rebuttal needed? | Nov 07 02:34 |
schestowitz-pi | Network Maintenance | Nov 07 02:35 |
schestowitz-pi | Nov 7, 2024 21:00 - Nov 8, 2024 05:00 GMT | Nov 07 02:35 |
schestowitz-pi | One of our circuit suppliers providing connectivity between our London and Dublin data centres is conducting maintenance to their service. | Nov 07 02:35 |
schestowitz-pi | As we have diverse circuits between these locations we do not expect any disruption and traffic will fail over to other routes, but those routes will be at-risk during the maintenance window. | Nov 07 02:35 |
techrights-sec6 | checking | Nov 07 02:38 |
techrights-sec6 | BleepingComputer is always a shill for m$ | Nov 07 02:38 |
techrights-sec6 | The problem is with windows and the attack vector is via Windows. | Nov 07 02:38 |
techrights-sec6 | Even though it is a Thursday, there is les tech news than usual | Nov 07 02:38 |
techrights-sec6 | Congratulations on the 18th anniversary of the site! | Nov 07 02:38 |
techrights-news | Techrights – Microsoft-Connected Publishers Want Us to Think That Linux is Some Sort of a Virus and a "Backdoor" ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Microsoft_Connected_Publishers_Want_Us_to_Think_That_Linux_is_S.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Microsoft_Connected_Publishers_Want_Us_to_Think_That_Linux_is_S.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 02:48 |
techrights-news | Techrights – IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, November 06, 2024 ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/IRC_Proceedings_Wednesday_November_06_2024.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/IRC_Proceedings_Wednesday_November_06_2024.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 02:52 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today in Techrights ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Today_in_Techrights.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 02:52 |
techrights-news | Techrights – Over at Tux Machines... ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 02:53 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): LWN Articles on Graphics, OSI's Openwashing, and Rust ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/LWN_Articles_on_Graphics_OSI_s_Openwashing_and_Rust.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/LWN_Articles_on_Graphics_OSI_s_Openwashing_and_Rust.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 03:24 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Programming: Ruby 3.3.6 Released, Perl, and More ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Programming_Ruby_3_3_6_Released_Perl_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Programming_Ruby_3_3_6_Released_Perl_and_More.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 03:27 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/today_s_leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/today_s_leftovers.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 03:29 |
techrights-news | Techrights – Links 07/11/2024: Facebook Scams, Journalists on Strike ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Links_07_11_2024_Facebook_Scams_Journalists_on_Strike.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Links_07_11_2024_Facebook_Scams_Journalists_on_Strike.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 03:30 |
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techrights-news | Techrights – Who Next on the Linux Foundation's 'Kill List'? ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Who_Next_on_the_Linux_Foundation_s_Kill_List.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Who_Next_on_the_Linux_Foundation_s_Kill_List.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 03:55 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Focusing on Free Software, Political Sites Will Do Politics ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Focusing_on_Free_Software_Political_Sites_Will_Do_Politics.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Focusing_on_Free_Software_Political_Sites_Will_Do_Politics.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 04:02 |
techrights-news | Techrights – A President Trump is Excellent News to Microsoft ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/A_President_Trump_is_Excellent_News_to_Microsoft.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/A_President_Trump_is_Excellent_News_to_Microsoft.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 04:10 |
techrights-news | Techrights – FSF Expressed No Preference Regarding Presidential Candidates (Its Founder Did) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/FSF_Expressed_No_Preference_Regarding_Presidential_Candidates_I.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/FSF_Expressed_No_Preference_Regarding_Presidential_Candidates_I.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 04:30 |
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techrights-news | Techrights – Apple's Debt Has Skyrocketed While Gimmicks Like Vision Pro Failed ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Apple_s_Debt_Has_Skyrocketed_While_Gimmicks_Like_Vision_Pro_Fai.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Apple_s_Debt_Has_Skyrocketed_While_Gimmicks_Like_Vision_Pro_Fai.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 04:50 |
techrights-news | Techrights – [Meme] Going Too Far to the Left Can Breed Militant Ideology ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_Going_Too_Far_to_the_Left_Can_Breed_Militant_Ideology.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_Going_Too_Far_to_the_Left_Can_Breed_Militant_Ideology.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 05:04 |
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techrights-news | "The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth developer Edmund McMillen has announced that The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth is soon to get a free online co-up update." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/11/the-binding-of-isaac-rebirth-is-getting-a-free-online-co-op-update-soon/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Nov 07 05:21 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Games: Vampire Hunters, Bye Sweet Carole, and More ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Games_Vampire_Hunters_Bye_Sweet_Carole_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Games_Vampire_Hunters_Bye_Sweet_Carole_and_More.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 05:24 |
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schestowitz-pi | i started weekend links last night | Nov 07 05:44 |
schestowitz-pi | weds is almost weekend anyway ;-) | Nov 07 05:47 |
techrights-sec6 | Newswise it is. | Nov 07 05:47 |
techrights-news | EPO leaks for Techrights birthday?? Of course!! This is the latest one: Update on Litigation Against the European Patent Office (EPO) at the ILO Administrative Tribunal (ILOAT) https://techrights.org/n/2024/10/31/Update_on_Litigation_Against_the_European_Patent_Office_EPO_at_.shtml | Nov 07 05:54 |
schestowitz-pi | got 3 epo leaks! | Nov 07 05:59 |
techrights-sec6 | Nov 07 06:29 | |
techrights-sec6 | Excellent! | Nov 07 06:29 |
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schestowitz-pi | split across days for greater effect, right? | Nov 07 07:03 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Windows TCO Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Windows_TCO_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Windows_TCO_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 08:16 |
techrights-sec6 | Yeah, multuiple days would improve the effect | Nov 07 08:18 |
techrights-news | Techrights – Today We Got an Early Birthday Gift ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Today_We_Got_an_Early_Birthday_Gift.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Today_We_Got_an_Early_Birthday_Gift.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 08:26 |
schestowitz-pi | http://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Today_We_Got_an_Early_Birthday_Gift.shtml | Nov 07 08:28 |
schestowitz-pi | explaijner | Nov 07 08:28 |
schestowitz-pi | tactically worded | Nov 07 08:28 |
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techrights-news | Techrights – [Meme] When the Patent Office Does Illegal Things and Staff Speaks Out ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_When_the_Patent_Office_Does_Illegal_Things_and_Staff_Speak.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_When_the_Patent_Office_Does_Illegal_Things_and_Staff_Speak.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | checking | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | Very well done, I think. | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | Wolt has stolen the most from its workers who toil /without/ pensions: | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10066354 | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | Unlike Paananen he does not produce something or even provide a service, | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | just tacks on a service fee while effectively /stealing/ the pensions | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | of his employees who have to work 12 hours per day to get a livable income. | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | That's not a company, that's a slave plantation, | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | https://yle.fi/a/74-20120579 | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | Not even minium wage for it's house slaves: | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Wolt-Support-Associate-Helsinki-Hourly-Pay-EJI_IE1800227.0,4_KO5,22_IL.23,31_IM1005.htm | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | https://www.infofinland.fi/en/work-and-enterprise/during-employment/wages-and-working-hours | Nov 07 08:41 |
techrights-sec6 | Nov 07 08:42 | |
techrights-sec6 | about 1/3 the average: | Nov 07 08:42 |
techrights-sec6 | https://www.timecamp.com/average-salary/finland/ | Nov 07 08:42 |
schestowitz-pi | topic for lateer | Nov 07 08:43 |
schestowitz-pi | the bird are getting our of control | Nov 07 08:43 |
schestowitz-pi | too many come every morning | Nov 07 08:43 |
schestowitz-pi | it's a chicken farm now | Nov 07 08:43 |
techrights-sec6 | about 2/3 of the median private sector hourly wage: | Nov 07 08:44 |
techrights-sec6 | https://stat.fi/en/publication/clmyjykgl896f0cut5yxmulpn | Nov 07 08:44 |
techrights-sec6 | ... and that's for the in-house slaves earning 12 | Nov 07 08:45 |
techrights-sec6 | the field slaves are basically living on tips (in a country where | Nov 07 08:45 |
techrights-sec6 | tipping is a faux pax) | Nov 07 08:45 |
schestowitz-pi | yestewrday i scrubbed for 1+ hours with metal brush the ground | Nov 07 08:45 |
schestowitz-pi | the brush ran our of "hairs" | Nov 07 08:45 |
schestowitz-pi | i had a new (second) one ready | Nov 07 08:45 |
schestowitz-pi | More Cuts on Benefits for EPO Workers (Europe's Working Conditions Incompatible With the European Patent Convention) | Nov 07 08:48 |
techrights-sec6 | slavery as a 'business' model | Nov 07 08:49 |
techrights-sec6 | there are also the problems inherenrt in surveillance, tracking and such | Nov 07 08:49 |
techrights-sec6 | caused by proprietary closed source 'Apps' with proprietary, close source | Nov 07 08:49 |
techrights-sec6 | APIs and protocols. Theft all the way around. | Nov 07 08:49 |
techrights-sec6 | ^ topic ? | Nov 07 08:49 |
techrights-sec6 | https://explore.wolt.com/en/fin/terms | Nov 07 08:49 |
techrights-sec6 | https://explore.wolt.com/en/fin/merchant-app-terms | Nov 07 08:49 |
schestowitz-pi | this will lengthen the article | Nov 07 08:51 |
schestowitz-pi | for friday or weekend, ty | Nov 07 08:51 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Kubuntu 24.04, it's been a few months now ... ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Kubuntu_24_04_it_s_been_a_few_months_now.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Kubuntu_24_04_it_s_been_a_few_months_now.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 09:03 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): HDR and color management in KWin, part 5: HDR on SDR laptops ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/HDR_and_color_management_in_KWin_part_5_HDR_on_SDR_laptops.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/HDR_and_color_management_in_KWin_part_5_HDR_on_SDR_laptops.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 09:16 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Little Wayland Things ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Little_Wayland_Things.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Little_Wayland_Things.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 09:18 |
techrights-news | Techrights – Staff Union of the European Patent Office (SUEPO) Election Ending Today ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Staff_Union_of_the_European_Patent_Office_SUEPO_Election_Ending.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Staff_Union_of_the_European_Patent_Office_SUEPO_Election_Ending.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 09:21 |
techrights-sec6 | Four generations ago, the Finns were known for 'Sisu'. | Nov 07 09:24 |
techrights-sec6 | Now, maybe it's for over-developed thumbs | Nov 07 09:24 |
techrights-sec6 | A slave is a slave even if you fry him in butter | Nov 07 09:24 |
techrights-sec6 | gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Who_Next_on_the_Linux_Foundation_s_Kill_List.gmi | Nov 07 09:24 |
techrights-sec6 | ^ excellent that the 2% budget was mentioned, it is important | Nov 07 09:24 |
techrights-sec6 | to mention each time the name LF comes up | Nov 07 09:24 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Best Free and Open Source Software ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 09:30 |
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schestowitz-pi | http://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Staff_Union_of_the_European_Patent_Office_SUEPO_Election_Ending.shtml | Nov 07 09:34 |
schestowitz-pi | look ma! | Nov 07 09:34 |
schestowitz-pi | no pdf | Nov 07 09:34 |
schestowitz-pi | also good i plain text and gemtext, i hope | Nov 07 09:34 |
schestowitz-pi | i have 2 more LONG epo articles coooking | Nov 07 09:34 |
techrights-sec6 | Seems good in GemText, too, that is important because of the audience. | Nov 07 09:44 |
schestowitz-pi | the www will die one day | Nov 07 09:44 |
schestowitz-pi | for sure | Nov 07 09:44 |
schestowitz-pi | not sure when/why | Nov 07 09:44 |
techrights-sec6 | It's getting killed by javascript and web apps as it is. | Nov 07 09:45 |
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schestowitz-pi | the www ceases to be a publisher's tool when most publishers have paywalls, JS walls, demand that "engagement" etc. So something else will emerge to fill a gap. Not PDF. | Nov 07 09:46 |
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techrights-sec6 | The WWW getting killed by javascript and web apps as it is. | Nov 07 09:47 |
techrights-sec6 | And when most individuals are blocked from self-publishing, as is becoming | Nov 07 09:47 |
techrights-sec6 | the case around the world due to Mozilla and Google dceciding to block | Nov 07 09:47 |
techrights-sec6 | not just self-signed certificates but also the root cert for Let's Encrypt | Nov 07 09:47 |
techrights-sec6 | PDF is for paper only. | Nov 07 09:47 |
schestowitz-pi | thanks for checking gemtext compat | Nov 07 09:48 |
schestowitz-pi | and amending where needed | Nov 07 09:48 |
schestowitz-pi | i will focus on sources, researching, proofreading | Nov 07 09:48 |
schestowitz-pi | today is busy in a good way, productive anniversary | Nov 07 09:48 |
schestowitz-pi | farnell tomorrow | Nov 07 09:50 |
schestowitz-pi | we lack time | Nov 07 09:50 |
schestowitz-pi | "Dear World, Sorry guys. We Americans are human in the end. We stumble, we fall, we can be tricked and scammed. We can love and hate. We can be ugly and vengeful." gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/canfood/phlog/2024-11-06 | Nov 07 09:53 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Andes QiLai quad-core AX45MP RISC-V SoC with NX27V vector processor powers micro-ATX Voyager Development Platform ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Andes_QiLai_quad_core_AX45MP_RISC_V_SoC_with_NX27V_vector_proce.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Andes_QiLai_quad_core_AX45MP_RISC_V_SoC_with_NX27V_vector_proce.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:01 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Forlinx launches NXP i.MX 95 SoM and development board with 10GbE, CAN Bus, RS485, and more ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Forlinx_launches_NXP_i_MX_95_SoM_and_development_board_with_10G.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Forlinx_launches_NXP_i_MX_95_SoM_and_development_board_with_10G.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:05 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Why we're still waiting for Canonical's immutable Ubuntu Core Desktop ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Why_we_re_still_waiting_for_Canonical_s_immutable_Ubuntu_Core_D.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Why_we_re_still_waiting_for_Canonical_s_immutable_Ubuntu_Core_D.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:10 |
techrights-sec6 | Or tricked into using unaditable 'voting' machines with M$ / CALEA backdoors | Nov 07 10:14 |
techrights-sec6 | https://www.informationweek.com/cyber-resilience/china-penetrated-us-telecom-providers-to-snoop-on-wiretapping-systems | Nov 07 10:14 |
techrights-news | Techrights – [Meme] Election Day at the European Patent Office ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_Election_Day_at_the_European_Patent_Office.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_Election_Day_at_the_European_Patent_Office.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:14 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): What happens to Linux when Linus Torvalds dies? ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/What_happens_to_Linux_when_Linus_Torvalds_dies.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/What_happens_to_Linux_when_Linus_Torvalds_dies.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:17 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): What’s new for Fedora Atomic Desktops in Fedora 41 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/06/What_s_new_for_Fedora_Atomic_Desktops_in_Fedora_41.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/06/What_s_new_for_Fedora_Atomic_Desktops_in_Fedora_41.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:20 |
techrights-news | Techrights – Gemini Links 07/11/2024: emacs-guix and File Hoarding ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Gemini_Links_07_11_2024_emacs_guix_and_File_Hoarding.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Gemini_Links_07_11_2024_emacs_guix_and_File_Hoarding.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:23 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Inkscape Turned 21, Happy Birthday! ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Inkscape_Turned_21_Happy_Birthday.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Inkscape_Turned_21_Happy_Birthday.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:23 |
techrights-sec6 | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/catch | Nov 07 10:31 |
techrights-sec6 | Apropos 'voting' machine | Nov 07 10:31 |
techrights-sec6 | https://forum.defcon.org/node/248922 | Nov 07 10:31 |
techrights-sec6 | ironically poisoned by javascript: https://www.votingvillage.org/ | Nov 07 10:31 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Forty years of commitment to software freedom ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Forty_years_of_commitment_to_software_freedom.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Forty_years_of_commitment_to_software_freedom.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:33 |
techrights-sec6 | Some really big names: | Nov 07 10:33 |
techrights-sec6 | https://harris.uchicago.edu/files/cpi_-_def_con_25_report_-_final_3.pdf | Nov 07 10:33 |
techrights-sec6 | yet the topic is now taboo and the security went unaddressed | Nov 07 10:33 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Immich Celebrates 50K Stars on GitHub with v1.120 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Immich_Celebrates_50K_Stars_on_GitHub_with_v1_120.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Immich_Celebrates_50K_Stars_on_GitHub_with_v1_120.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:38 |
schestowitz-pi | http://techrights.org/i/2024/11/7czx7fyhlfzd1.jpeg | Nov 07 10:44 |
techrights-news | Techrights – Links 07/11/2024: Online Manipulation in Social Control Media, Election Deniers, and More ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Links_07_11_2024_Online_Manipulation_in_Social_Control_Media_El.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Links_07_11_2024_Online_Manipulation_in_Social_Control_Media_El.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:44 |
techrights-sec6 | checking | Nov 07 10:48 |
schestowitz-pi | http://techrights.org/i/2024/11/7czx7fyhlfzd1.jpeg | Nov 07 10:49 |
schestowitz-pi | 2016: pretend they don't exist, refuse to understand t he threat | Nov 07 10:49 |
techrights-sec6 | that too | Nov 07 10:50 |
techrights-sec6 | that and hand bernie's team's internal documents to his competitor in | Nov 07 10:50 |
techrights-sec6 | the primary | Nov 07 10:50 |
techrights-sec6 | Nov 07 10:52 | |
techrights-sec6 | Some really big names: | Nov 07 10:52 |
techrights-sec6 | https://harris.uchicago.edu/files/cpi_-_def_con_25_report_-_final_3.pdf | Nov 07 10:52 |
techrights-sec6 | yet the topic is now taboo and the security went unaddressed | Nov 07 10:52 |
techrights-sec6 | and the subject now associated with cranks and trumpanzees | Nov 07 10:52 |
techrights-sec6 | despite decades of documented evidence that the systems are not the least secure | Nov 07 10:52 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴: Google Android Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Android_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Android_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 10:52 |
schestowitz-pi | i was ABOUT to name him | Nov 07 10:54 |
schestowitz-pi | and roosevelt | Nov 07 10:54 |
schestowitz-pi | (ted) | Nov 07 10:54 |
techrights-news | Techrights – The High Cost of Making Scepticism of Proprietary Voting Machines a "Trump" and "Conspiracy Theory" Territory ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/The_High_Cost_of_Making_Scepticism_of_Proprietary_Voting_Machin.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/The_High_Cost_of_Making_Scepticism_of_Proprietary_Voting_Machin.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 11:31 |
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techrights-news | Techrights – [Meme] When You Discredit People Who Discredit Secret Code ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_When_You_Discredit_People_Who_Discredit_Secret_Code.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_When_You_Discredit_People_Who_Discredit_Secret_Code.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 11:36 |
schestowitz-pi | http://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/The_High_Cost_of_Making_Scepticism_of_Proprietary_Voting_Machin.shtml | Nov 07 11:36 |
schestowitz-pi | http://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_When_You_Discredit_People_Who_Discredit_Secret_Code.shtml | Nov 07 11:36 |
schestowitz-pi | i hope my angle of it is not upsetting | Nov 07 11:36 |
schestowitz-pi | that's imho | Nov 07 11:36 |
schestowitz-pi | leaving for haircut in about 30 mins | Nov 07 11:41 |
techrights-news | Mozilla Foundation Mass Layoffs, Axes Advocacy ☞ https://lunduke.substack.com/p/mozilla-foundation-mass-layoffs-axes | Nov 07 12:19 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Mass Layoffs at Mozilla Again ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/06/Mass_Layoffs_at_Mozilla_Again.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/06/Mass_Layoffs_at_Mozilla_Again.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 12:20 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 HowTos ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/today_s_howtos.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/today_s_howtos.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 12:35 |
techrights-sec6 | This was well done, aside from using random quotes as filler: | Nov 07 12:36 |
techrights-sec6 | gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/The_High_Cost_of_Making_Scepticism_of_Proprietary_Voting_Machin.gmi | Nov 07 12:36 |
techrights-sec6 | It does give me an idea about how to /greatly/ improve both the HTML and the | Nov 07 12:36 |
techrights-sec6 | GemText editions with trivial effort and good returns on readability and | Nov 07 12:36 |
techrights-sec6 | discoverability. That is, please discard use of Hungarian Notation for | Nov 07 12:36 |
techrights-sec6 | labeling links or anchors (A HREF="") and instead a semantically relevant | Nov 07 12:37 |
techrights-sec6 | term or phrase. I've obviously broughht this up before, but reframing | Nov 07 12:37 |
techrights-sec6 | this as a naming convention might help explain the goal and benefits of | Nov 07 12:37 |
techrights-sec6 | abandoning the Hungarian Notation for labelling links. Heck it would be | Nov 07 12:37 |
techrights-sec6 | of great benefit to treat the A element as a label or markup for emphasis | Nov 07 12:37 |
techrights-sec6 | along the same lines as B, I, or U elements in HTML. | Nov 07 12:37 |
schestowitz-pi | leaving now | Nov 07 12:37 |
schestowitz-pi | ty | Nov 07 12:37 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): KDE Gear 24.08.3 Released with More Fixes for Your Favorite KDE Applications ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/KDE_Gear_24_08_3_Released_with_More_Fixes_for_Your_Favorite_KDE.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/KDE_Gear_24_08_3_Released_with_More_Fixes_for_Your_Favorite_KDE.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 14:17 |
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techrights-sec6 | back in some hours | Nov 07 15:41 |
schestowitz-pi | success | Nov 07 15:41 |
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techrights-news | GIMP 3.0 Release Candidate Is Now Available for Public Testing ☞ https://9to5linux.com/gimp-3-0-release-candidate-is-now-available-for-public-testing | Nov 07 16:25 |
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techrights-news | Techrights – Anti-Linux FUD, Now in LLM Form, Thanks to Brittany Day ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Anti_Linux_FUD_Now_in_LLM_Form_Thanks_to_Brittany_Day.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Anti_Linux_FUD_Now_in_LLM_Form_Thanks_to_Brittany_Day.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 16:50 |
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techrights-news | Techrights – Open Source Security Foundation (OpenSSF) Hosted SOSS as Microsoft Propaganda Platform With Microsoft Front Group OSI ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Open_Source_Security_Foundation_OpenSSF_Hosted_SOSS_as_Microsof.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Open_Source_Security_Foundation_OpenSSF_Hosted_SOSS_as_Microsof.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:16 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Security Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/06/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/06/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:29 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): NetBSD, FreeBSD, and More ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/NetBSD_FreeBSD_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/NetBSD_FreeBSD_and_More.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:29 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Release of curl 8.11.0 and Daniel Stenberg at FLOSS Weekly ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Release_of_curl_8_11_0_and_Daniel_Stenberg_at_FLOSS_Weekly.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Release_of_curl_8_11_0_and_Daniel_Stenberg_at_FLOSS_Weekly.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:36 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): PCBs, Purism, Arduino, Retro and More ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/PCBs_Purism_Arduino_Retro_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/PCBs_Purism_Arduino_Retro_and_More.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:39 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu Leftoverss ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftoverss.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftoverss.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:41 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Education Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Education_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Education_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:41 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Red_Hat_and_Fedora_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Red_Hat_and_Fedora_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:43 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Programming Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Programming_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:44 |
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techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Security Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Security_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/Security_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:49 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/07/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 17:49 |
techrights-news | Techrights – Gemini Links 07/11/2024: On Writing Publicly and Record Player Table ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Gemini_Links_07_11_2024_On_Writing_Publicly_and_Record_Player_T.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Gemini_Links_07_11_2024_On_Writing_Publicly_and_Record_Player_T.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 18:01 |
techrights-news | Techrights – Links 07/11/2024: HTTP/3, Health Research, and Punditry ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Links_07_11_2024_HTTP_3_Health_Research_and_Punditry.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Links_07_11_2024_HTTP_3_Health_Research_and_Punditry.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 18:05 |
techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Windows Gets Infected, Media Blames "Linux" ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/06/Windows_Gets_Infected_Media_Blames_Linux.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/06/Windows_Gets_Infected_Media_Blames_Linux.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 18:09 |
techrights-news | Techrights – [Meme] Questioning Proprietary Software? Not OK... ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_Questioning_Proprietary_Software_Not_OK.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/07/Meme_Questioning_Proprietary_Software_Not_OK.gmi ∎ | Nov 07 18:21 |
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