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schestowitz-pithere seems to be an issue with ergoNov 09 00:55
schestowitz-pifor several days now it restarted at midnightNov 09 00:55
schestowitz-pithere is no reason this should happenNov 09 00:55
schestowitz-pimy guess is, configs were altered or some software updatedNov 09 00:55
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pi_afkNov 09 00:57
psydruidis the software compromised?Nov 09 01:00
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schestowitz-pinoNov 09 01:05
schestowitz-piprobably some new apparmor ruleNov 09 01:06
pi_or log rotationNov 09 01:11
pi_maybe a utc/bst thingNov 09 01:11
schestowitz-pimaybe a utc/bst thing, it started happening about a week agoNov 09 01:12
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techrights-newsGNOME 48 Release Schedule & Potential New Features ☞ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/11/gnome-48-release-date-and-featuresNov 09 01:40
pi_I have not modified ergo or the configurations since before the rebootNov 09 02:05
pi_but the clocks were changed the other week.  I'll look at the cron jobs etcNov 09 02:05
pi_in /etc/cron.d/     Nov 09 02:05
schestowitz-piit seems to fall over at midnight, i guess it is then rerunNov 09 02:06
schestowitz-piit happens every day oralmopst every dayNov 09 02:06
schestowitz-piat first i thought it was a network glitchNov 09 02:06
schestowitz-pibut it is notNov 09 02:06
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techrights-sec6checkingNov 09 02:14
techrights-sec6The logs shows the service is stopped/startred at midnigt.  Nov 09 02:15
techrights-sec6Not sure why yet. Nov 09 02:15
techrights-sec6/etc/logrotate.d/ergo ?Nov 09 02:15
techrights-sec6Perhaps it is the logrotationNov 09 02:15
schestowitz-pithat is what i suspected at firstNov 09 02:15
schestowitz-pihappens midnight sharpNov 09 02:15
techrights-sec6I think that is it.  Nov 09 02:20
techrights-sec6How should the logs be rotated  for Ergo?Nov 09 02:20
schestowitz-pii am not sure what changedNov 09 02:21
schestowitz-piand not sure what to suggestNov 09 02:21
schestowitz-pibut we had many irc restarts latelyNov 09 02:21
schestowitz-picausing a lot of toilNov 09 02:21
techrights-sec6Yes each of the logs the logs are timestamped midnight Nov 09 02:21
techrights-sec6Yes restarts are problematic but the manual says SIGHUP is ok for a reloadNov 09 02:21
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schestowitz-pinov 5 it got worse, yesNov 09 02:57
schestowitz-pimultitasking, biab, tmm faily linksNov 09 02:57
techrights-sec6Yes restarts are problematic but the manual says SIGHUP is ok for a reloadNov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6The new rotation scheme goes back to Nov 5Nov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6checkingNov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6$ ls -lhrt /etc/logrotate.d/ergoNov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 203 Jul  6 08:50 /etc/logrotate.d/ergoNov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6nothing changed there lately but there was the reboot 18 days ago Nov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6but 4 is less than 18Nov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6Indeed journalctl shows the midnight restart begin Nov 5Nov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6# grep ergo /var/log/kern.log | wc -lNov 09 02:58
techrights-sec60Nov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6no apparmor problemsNov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6but at 09:27 on Nov 5 there was a lot of restartingNov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6 A stop job for unit ergo.service has begun execution.Nov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6 The unit ergo.service has successfully entered the 'dead' state.Nov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6etc from then onward at midnightNov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6there is no log of it restarting after Oct 21 until Nov 5Nov 09 02:58
techrights-sec6So it ran stably for weeks.Nov 09 02:59
techrights-sec6# crontab -u ircd -lNov 09 02:59
techrights-sec6no crontab for ircdNov 09 02:59
techrights-sec6^ that is good, as it should beNov 09 02:59
techrights-sec6Tyring a modification to the service file, there are some small differencesNov 09 02:59
techrights-sec6from the official service file but that should not matter sinceNov 09 02:59
techrights-sec6no changes have been made lately.  Nov 09 02:59
techrights-sec6I'll change /etc/logrotate.d/ergo from daily to weekly and see if thatNov 09 02:59
techrights-sec6is it but nothing has changed in either place since last month or longerNov 09 03:00
techrights-sec6That's all I can think of without actually 'testting' the -HUP signalNov 09 03:00
techrights-sec6that would, if things are like  they are, that would cause the daemon toNov 09 03:00
techrights-sec6stop/start instead of just reload.   Nov 09 03:00
techrights-sec6Ok, I'll leave iit at weekly and we'll see if that was the problem.Nov 09 03:00
techrights-sec6If the restarts turn to once a week, then further investigation can be done.Nov 09 03:00
schestowitz-pithanks, just finished the task (articles next)Nov 09 03:00
schestowitz-piwe'll see how the new config goesNov 09 03:00
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schestowitz-piA lot has happened since then... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/19/finns-aghast-that-trump-could-think-their-country-is-part-of-russiaNov 09 05:47
schestowitz-piA lot has happened since then... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/19/finns-aghast-that-trump-could-think-their-country-is-part-of-russiaNov 09 05:47
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techrights-sec6checking Nov 09 05:50
techrights-sec6he probably still thinks that, to the limited extent that he may think at allNov 09 05:50
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techrights-newsTechrights – Why Brown CIT Oughtn't Be Named After Thomas J. Watson (Like Many Faculties Ought Not be Named After Bill Gates) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Why_Brown_CIT_Oughtn_t_Be_Named_After_Thomas_J_Watson_Like_Many.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Why_Brown_CIT_Oughtn_t_Be_Named_After_Thomas_J_Watson_Like_Many.gmi ∎Nov 09 08:05
techrights-sec6backNov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6"""Nov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6Well, torrents are similar to IPFS. They work similarly, more so P2P-type protocols. Availability isn't assured and latency can be high.Nov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6"""Nov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6availability *is* guaranteed if you seed your own material, that is *why* Nov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6I recommended torrents.  At worst, if you are the only seeder, it will downloadNov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6at normal speeds.  if there are multiple clients seeding then the downloadNov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6speed will be much faster, sometimes even wirespeed.Nov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6^ correction neededNov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6IPFS is very different from BitTorrent.  Very different.Nov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6good summary:Nov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/This_Remembrance_Sunday_We_Must_Also_Remember_That_Some_Securit.gmi  Nov 09 08:06
techrights-sec6s/what we see in github.com/what we see in m$ github.com/Nov 09 08:07
techrights-sec6I notice a bug in the script output for this document:Nov 09 08:07
techrights-sec6gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/08/DanielNov 09 08:07
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techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Wine 9.21 Brings Enhanced DirectPlay Network Session Support ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Wine_9_21_Brings_Enhanced_DirectPlay_Network_Session_Support.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Wine_9_21_Brings_Enhanced_DirectPlay_Network_Session_Support.gmi ∎Nov 09 08:18
schestowitz-pii need to askNov 09 08:22
schestowitz-piin torrentNov 09 08:22
schestowitz-piif i am sole seederNov 09 08:22
schestowitz-pihow am i found by alice or bob?Nov 09 08:22
schestowitz-pidht?Nov 09 08:22
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techrights-sec6I notice a bug in the script output for this document:Nov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/08/Daniel_Pocock_Nomination_for_Ireland_Dublin_Bay_South_General_E.gmi Nov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6I'll take a look and hope to fix it.Nov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6As a sole seeder, you'd post the URL to the torrent to a tracker (own or other)Nov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6There are also 'magnet' links which are not centralizedNov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6^ so a self-hosted tracker is neededNov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6apropos the unordered list in the following:Nov 09 08:24
schestowitz-pistill similar to ipfs with "magnets"Nov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/08/Daniel_Pocock_Nomination_for_Ireland_Dublin_Bay_South_General_E.gmi         Nov 09 08:24
schestowitz-piand ipnsNov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6should the links found in the list be interspersed with the points as it Nov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6is now or saved to the end as end notes.   I'm thinking it is more correctNov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6now as it currently is but want to double check.  Some unordered lists willNov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6be much more wordy. Nov 09 08:24
techrights-sec6It's far more efficient than IPFSNov 09 08:24
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techrights-sec6There used to be a good text-basred BitTorrent client but development on Nov 09 08:41
techrights-sec6that has ceased.  There are some ok but heavy graphical ones.Nov 09 08:41
techrights-sec6Maybe transmission-cli is the closest to a good text client for scripts Nov 09 08:41
techrights-sec6on servers.Nov 09 08:41
techrights-sec6Torrents are a good way to speed up the downloads and to ensure redunancy,Nov 09 08:41
techrights-sec6especially if a decentralized approach is taken.  Nov 09 08:41
techrights-sec6With a decntralized approache a self-hosted tracker is not needed.Nov 09 08:41
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schestowitz-pigot epo leakNov 09 09:50
schestowitz-pifor sundayNov 09 09:50
schestowitz-pieven the origs are not textNov 09 09:50
techrights-sec6NiceNov 09 09:51
techrights-sec6gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Why_Brown_CIT_Oughtn_t_Be_Named_After_Thomas_J_Watson_Like_Many.gmiNov 09 09:51
techrights-sec6Looking at the IBM post, I am wondering if there is a convenient way toNov 09 09:51
techrights-sec6get text content for ones like that.  I'd like Gemini to be a first class Nov 09 09:51
techrights-sec6citizen on the net.  Rekey?  There are not many word on each 'slide'.Nov 09 09:51
techrights-sec6GemText has a quote/blockquote option.Nov 09 09:51
techrights-sec6 Nov 09 10:07
techrights-sec6"Thirty-five years since the wall fell, Berlin is divided  over what to do with crumbling communist buildings"Nov 09 10:07
techrights-sec6https://theconversation.com/thirty-five-years-since-the-wall-fell-berlin-is-divided-over-what-to-do-with-crumbling-communist-buildings-242662Nov 09 10:07
techrights-sec6"A special historical analysis: Europes 35-year journey since the fall of the Berlin Wall"Nov 09 10:07
techrights-sec6https://www.bruegel.org/analysis/special-historical-analysis-europes-35-year-journey-fall-berlin-wallNov 09 10:07
techrights-sec6"35 years later: How fall of the Berlin Wall shaped, divided, and united a generation | Explained News - The Indian Express"Nov 09 10:07
techrights-sec6https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-history/berlin-wall-shaped-divided-united-generation-9659830/Nov 09 10:07
techrights-sec6No, the hungarian style (the current) is to be avoided at all costs.  Nov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6<a href="">click here</a> vs <a href="">the topic of the link</a>Nov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6It's basic WWW usability 101 since the mid 1990s and would /really/ helpNov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6not just TR but also the pages linked to,  Nov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6Another way is to treat <a> the *exact* same semantically as <b> or <i>Nov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6Say there is an article about the city Manchester's parks:Nov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6"read more <a href="">here</a>"Nov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6 vsNov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6"read <a href="">read more about Manchester's parks</a>"Nov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6"<a href="">read more about Manchester's parks</a>"Nov 09 10:17
techrights-sec6The latter also read better in Gemini   Nov 09 10:21
techrights-sec6The numbers are the least useful in Gemini but not much better in HTTPNov 09 10:21
schestowitz-pii agree we should improveNov 09 10:22
schestowitz-pii did not understand hungarian styleNov 09 10:22
schestowitz-pido you want numbers with links to refs at bottom for html?Nov 09 10:22
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techrights-newsTechrights – Links 09/11/2024: Further Restrictions on Social Control Media, CASIO Cracked Again ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Links_09_11_2024_Further_Restrictions_on_Social_Control_Media_C.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Links_09_11_2024_Further_Restrictions_on_Social_Control_Media_C.gmi ∎Nov 09 10:51
techrights-sec6        Nov 09 11:06
techrights-sec6back in a couple of hoursNov 09 11:06
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techrights-newsTechrights – [Teaser] [Meme] Central Occupational Health, Safety and Ergonomics Committee (COHSEC) at European Patent Office (EPO) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Teaser_Meme_Central_Occupational_Health_Safety_and_Ergonomics_C.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Teaser_Meme_Central_Occupational_Health_Safety_and_Ergonomics_C.gmi ∎Nov 09 12:57
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techrights-sec6back Nov 09 13:53
schestowitz-pithis coming spring we want to make 10 plant pots ana hanging (down) potsNov 09 13:57
schestowitz-pibut it feels so dumb to buy soil and carry itNov 09 13:57
schestowitz-piwe added indoor plants in recent monthsNov 09 13:57
techrights-sec6Nice.  Spiderplants are really nice to look at, very low maintenance,Nov 09 14:12
techrights-sec6and are apparently very good at cleaning the air.Nov 09 14:12
schestowitz-pithose are expensive, we checked alreadyNov 09 14:12
schestowitz-pithe large ones cost a lotNov 09 14:12
techrights-sec6Start small and take good care of it and re-plant the spiders and within Nov 09 14:12
techrights-sec6two years you'll have some really nice big ones.  Nov 09 14:12
schestowitz-piyou assume we know what we are doing :) :)Nov 09 14:12
techrights-sec6https://hort.extension.wisc.edu/articles/spider-plant-chlorophytum-comosum/Nov 09 14:13
techrights-sec6They are very low manintenance and thrive in a variety of conditions and Nov 09 14:13
techrights-sec6are rather durable. Nov 09 14:13
schestowitz-piok, i will check in the marketNov 09 14:15
schestowitz-pieven there those tend to cost a fortuneNov 09 14:15
schestowitz-piyou know i go to the stadium in 15 minsNov 09 14:15
schestowitz-piand to market tomorrow mornNov 09 14:15
schestowitz-pimy tobuy list is very smallNov 09 14:15
schestowitz-pispiral notebooks for rianneNov 09 14:15
schestowitz-piwe have cactus from ikea from almost a decade agoNov 09 14:16
schestowitz-piwe spilit that into twoNov 09 14:16
schestowitz-piand it expandedNov 09 14:16
schestowitz-piso we spread that onto large pots in the gardenNov 09 14:16
techrights-sec6Tiny is good enough if you can wait for them to growNov 09 14:16
techrights-sec6Cacti are slowNov 09 14:16
techrights-sec6I have one from 1998 and it is about 30cm now.  Nov 09 14:16
schestowitz-piwowNov 09 14:17
schestowitz-pianyway, good air and exercise at home are part of happy life, i guessNov 09 14:17
schestowitz-pibiabNov 09 14:17
techrights-sec6I'm still not entirely sure how I got it to Finland, since I had it in SwedenNov 09 14:32
techrights-sec6and (I think) in Denmark and maybe Norway.  But it is here now and has beenNov 09 14:32
techrights-sec6growing during the summers a tiny amount each year.  I wonder if I brought Nov 09 14:32
techrights-sec6it up by train.  Nov 09 14:32
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schestowitz-piturns out we already have spoidorplants and rianne keeps chopping them as they grow out of control fastNov 09 14:33
schestowitz-pibut i will check indoor planets and plan for springNov 09 14:33
techrights-sec6Yes they do, they can be repotted easily as a side effect.Nov 09 14:34
schestowitz-pitopics welcomeNov 09 14:34
schestowitz-piwill be in and out todayNov 09 14:34
schestowitz-pibut not overemcumbered w/ tasksNov 09 14:34
techrights-sec6R-Bloggers has greatly improved of late!Nov 09 14:37
techrights-sec6There have been a lot of KDE improvements lately,Nov 09 14:37
techrights-sec6^ topic ?Nov 09 14:37
schestowitz-piadded, tyNov 09 14:37
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techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  π˜›π˜Άπ˜Ή π˜”π˜’π˜€π˜©π˜ͺ𝘯𝘦𝘴 Programming Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:39
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Security Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Security_Leftovers.2.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Security_Leftovers.2.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:41
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Standards/Consortia: PDF and XMPP ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Standards_Consortia_PDF_and_XMPP.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Standards_Consortia_PDF_and_XMPP.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:41
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Audiocasts/Shows: GNU World Order, mintCast, Hackaday Podcast and Beyond ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Audiocasts_Shows_GNU_World_Order_mintCast_Hackaday_Podcast_and_.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Audiocasts_Shows_GNU_World_Order_mintCast_Hackaday_Podcast_and_.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:43
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Games: New Steam Client, Godot 4.4 dev 4 and β€˜Korean Lego’ ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Games_New_Steam_Client_Godot_4_4_dev_4_and_Korean_Lego.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Games_New_Steam_Client_Godot_4_4_dev_4_and_Korean_Lego.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:43
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  News About Distros: NixOS, PCLinuxOS, and Gentoo ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/News_About_Distros_NixOS_PCLinuxOS_and_Gentoo.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/News_About_Distros_NixOS_PCLinuxOS_and_Gentoo.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:44
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.1.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.1.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:46
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Open Hardware, Mobile, and More ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Open_Hardware_Mobile_and_More.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Open_Hardware_Mobile_and_More.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:46
techrights-newsTechrights – Gemini Links 09/11/2024: Operating the Temple System and SeaweedFS ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Gemini_Links_09_11_2024_Operating_the_Temple_System_and_Seaweed.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Gemini_Links_09_11_2024_Operating_the_Temple_System_and_Seaweed.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:50
techrights-newsTechrights – Links 09/11/2024: More Mass Layoffs and Concerns About Musk Working Like Trump Aide ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Links_09_11_2024_More_Mass_Layoffs_and_Concerns_About_Musk_Work.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Links_09_11_2024_More_Mass_Layoffs_and_Concerns_About_Musk_Work.gmi ∎Nov 09 15:50
techrights-newsTechrights – List of Debian lies and deception ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/List_of_Debian_lies_and_deception.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/List_of_Debian_lies_and_deception.gmi ∎Nov 09 16:00
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techrights-newsTechrights – Joel Espy Klecker, unpaid, terminally ill youth labor & Debian knew it ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Joel_Espy_Klecker_unpaid_terminally_ill_youth_labor_Debian_knew.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Joel_Espy_Klecker_unpaid_terminally_ill_youth_labor_Debian_knew.gmi ∎Nov 09 16:05
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techrights-newsTechrights – There's Always a Way to Improve ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/There_s_Always_a_Way_to_Improve.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/There_s_Always_a_Way_to_Improve.gmi ∎Nov 09 16:29
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techrights-newsTechrights – EPO is Blasting Its Own Foot (There Will be No EPO Left) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/EPO_is_Blasting_Its_Own_Foot_There_Will_be_No_EPO_Left.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/EPO_is_Blasting_Its_Own_Foot_There_Will_be_No_EPO_Left.gmi ∎Nov 09 16:52
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Burn My Windows Adds Dreamy New ’Focus’ Effect ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Burn_My_Windows_Adds_Dreamy_New_Focus_Effect.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Burn_My_Windows_Adds_Dreamy_New_Focus_Effect.gmi ∎Nov 09 17:08
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Debian 12.8 β€œBookworm” Released with 68 Bug Fixes and 50 Security Updates ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Debian_12_8_Bookworm_Released_with_68_Bug_Fixes_and_50_Security.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Debian_12_8_Bookworm_Released_with_68_Bug_Fixes_and_50_Security.gmi ∎Nov 09 17:08
techrights-news➲ π•Ώπ–šπ– π•Έπ–†π–ˆπ–π–Žπ–“π–Šπ–˜ ⨦ (NEW):  Security Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Security_Leftovers.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/11/09/Security_Leftovers.gmi ∎Nov 09 17:08
techrights-newsTechrights – Remembering and Respecting Fallen Ones by Avoiding or Stopping Wars (and Boycotting Companies That Want Wars) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Remembering_and_Respecting_Fallen_Ones_by_Avoiding_or_Stopping_.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Remembering_and_Respecting_Fallen_Ones_by_Avoiding_or_Stopping_.gmi ∎Nov 09 17:12
schestowitz-pihttps://techrights.org/browse/latest.shtmlNov 09 17:13
schestowitz-pigood weekNov 09 17:13
schestowitz-picalm and stress-freeNov 09 17:13
schestowitz-pi(week)Nov 09 17:13
techrights-sec6checkingNov 09 17:14
techrights-sec6Nice.  Nov 09 17:14
schestowitz-piwas gonna phrase it differently an hour agoNov 09 17:14
schestowitz-pibut forgotNov 09 17:14
schestowitz-piso it was not importanytNov 09 17:14
schestowitz-piwill carry on now till i get tiredNov 09 17:14
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techrights-newsTechrights – Linux Foundation is a Scam Like 'Crypto' (So is the Company of Jim Zemlin's Wife, Bakkt) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Linux_Foundation_is_a_Scam_Like_Crypto_So_is_the_Company_of_Jim.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Linux_Foundation_is_a_Scam_Like_Crypto_So_is_the_Company_of_Jim.gmi ∎Nov 09 17:39
techrights-sec6The Berlin wall was taken down (or started to be taken down) 35 years ago todayNov 09 17:40
techrights-sec6It's related to freedom, I suppose.Nov 09 17:40
techrights-sec6^ topic ?Nov 09 17:40
techrights-sec6I just went through some feeds this evening and while there were a lot of Nov 09 17:40
techrights-sec6article titles, almost none were related to tech or tech policy.Nov 09 17:40
techrights-sec6There has been a quantum step or three in the degradation this last week.Nov 09 17:40
schestowitz-pihttp://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Remembering_and_Respecting_Fallen_Ones_by_Avoiding_or_Stopping_.shtml "OVER time - over the years, in general - our Daily Links became Nov 09 17:41
schestowitz-piincreasingly political. Either the total volume or the proportion (maybe both) increased for political topics instead of technology - an area where press coverage is fastNov 09 17:41
schestowitz-pibecoming scarce (and/or of decreased quality/originality).Nov 09 17:41
schestowitz-pi"Nov 09 17:41
schestowitz-pi-[c]--------Nov 09 17:41
psydroid2schestowitz-pi, I got the letter in the mailbox for declaring the goodsNov 09 17:45
psydroid2can you tell me what exactly is in the box?Nov 09 17:45
schestowitz-pioh!Nov 09 17:45
schestowitz-piit's raspberry pi 4Nov 09 17:45
psydroid2and should I declare is as a purchase or a gift?Nov 09 17:45
schestowitz-pihats:Nov 09 17:45
schestowitz-pibottons, LEDsNov 09 17:45
schestowitz-pisome enclosure bits like nutsNov 09 17:46
schestowitz-piand hdmi wireNov 09 17:46
schestowitz-pipower cordNov 09 17:46
schestowitz-piand uk->eu electric adapterNov 09 17:46
schestowitz-piit is a giftNov 09 17:46
schestowitz-piwe bought it in 2020Nov 09 17:46
schestowitz-piit is usedNov 09 17:46
schestowitz-piwe alreayd paid VATNov 09 17:46
schestowitz-piand we are non-profitNov 09 17:46
psydroid2and what is the total value of the package?Nov 09 17:49
psydroid2I will put that as a commentNov 09 17:49
psydroid2about the VAT and being a non-profitNov 09 17:49
schestowitz-piprobably worth less than 50 euros as newNov 09 17:50
schestowitz-pias used, maybe 30Nov 09 17:50
schestowitz-pithe retail value was lowNov 09 17:50
schestowitz-piin ebay it is "old"Nov 09 17:50
psydroid2I've declared itNov 09 17:59
psydroid2let's see what they sayNov 09 17:59
psydroid2maybe in the future I will just pick things up myselfNov 09 17:59
techrights-newsTechrights – Linux Foundation is Rebuilding the Berlin Wall (to Keep Russians Out of Linux) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Linux_Foundation_is_Rebuilding_the_Berlin_Wall_to_Keep_Russians.shtml | β™Ύ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/11/09/Linux_Foundation_is_Rebuilding_the_Berlin_Wall_to_Keep_Russians.gmi ∎Nov 09 18:05
techrights-sec6Yeah, I guess the political stuff should be reduced completely or at leastNov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6reduced in proportion to how the tech news has reduced.  Nov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6On the other side, the concept of software freedom is intertwined with software Nov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6but software now permeats all aspects of society and culture.  Indeed Nov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6with Gen Z and Gen A it has replaced culture, creating the first everNov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6absolute cultural disconuity between generations in the history of the species.Nov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6 Nov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6that said... checkingNov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6 Nov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6Yeah, it's time to reduce the political stuff, it's just that the   Nov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6software is now so tangled with other topics that it's not separate in Nov 09 18:08
techrights-sec6any way like before and is actually part of the process.Nov 09 18:08
schestowitz-piPerhaps one way forward might be, split off tech-related picks (including censorship in the digital realm) from everything else.Nov 09 18:18
techrights-sec6Perhaps but with recent events, there might be little to no value pursuingNov 09 18:19
techrights-sec6the purely non-technical stuff, though the civil rights stuff is veryNov 09 18:19
techrights-sec6closely related to digital rightsNov 09 18:19
techrights-sec6npNov 09 18:19
schestowitz-piishall think about it over sleep (soon)Nov 09 18:19
schestowitz-piwrapping upNov 09 18:19
techrights-sec6same here.  just made some camomile tea.Nov 09 18:20
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techrights-sec6It's a tough call since, for example, Musk/Xitter/SpaceX/Tesla are ratherNov 09 18:48
techrights-sec6tech related.  The cars are proprietary surveillance enginesNov 09 18:48
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