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techrights-newsTechrights — Welcome to the New Techrights ⇨ https://techrights.org/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ ∎Sep 26 02:36
techrights-newsTechrights – Gemini Links 25/09/2024: Banning Leasehold, Eshell Ramble ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Gemini_Links_25_09_2024_Banning_Leasehold_Eshell_Ramble.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Gemini_Links_25_09_2024_Banning_Leasehold_Eshell_Ramble.gmi ∎Sep 26 02:36
techrights-newsTechrights – IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, September 25, 2024 ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/IRC_Proceedings_Wednesday_September_25_2024.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/IRC_Proceedings_Wednesday_September_25_2024.gmi ∎Sep 26 02:46
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Today in Techrights ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Today_in_Techrights.gmi ∎Sep 26 02:47
techrights-newsTechrights – Over at Tux Machines... ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi ∎Sep 26 02:47
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Fedora evicts WolfSSL ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Fedora_evicts_WolfSSL.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Fedora_evicts_WolfSSL.gmi ∎Sep 26 03:04
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Vanilla OS 2: an immutable distribution to run all software ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Vanilla_OS_2_an_immutable_distribution_to_run_all_software.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Vanilla_OS_2_an_immutable_distribution_to_run_all_software.gmi ∎Sep 26 03:07
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Latest LWN Articles About Kernel Space ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Latest_LWN_Articles_About_Kernel_Space.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Latest_LWN_Articles_About_Kernel_Space.gmi ∎Sep 26 03:11
techrights-newsTechrights – A Year Since the Big Switch - Part V - In Summary ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/A_Year_Since_the_Big_Switch_Part_V_In_Summary.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/A_Year_Since_the_Big_Switch_Part_V_In_Summary.gmi ∎Sep 26 03:17
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techrights-newsTechrights – [Meme] How Crime Becomes the 'Normal' in Society ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Meme_How_Crime_Becomes_the_Normal_in_Society.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Meme_How_Crime_Becomes_the_Normal_in_Society.gmi ∎Sep 26 04:01
schestowitz-pihttps://www.managingip.com/article/2dsy9oijk3fvvspktisxs/patents/epo-critics-reject-special-treatment-of-applicationsSep 26 04:07
techrights-newsTechrights – The Media Has Hardly Mentioned This, But New Antitrust Complaint Filed Against Microsoft in the European Union ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/The_Media_Has_Hardly_Mentioned_This_But_New_Antitrust_Complaint.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/The_Media_Has_Hardly_Mentioned_This_But_New_Antitrust_Complaint.gmi ∎Sep 26 04:16
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techrights-newsTechrights – Why We Keep Saying Bryan Lunduke is a Liability ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Why_We_Keep_Saying_Bryan_Lunduke_is_a_Liability.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Why_We_Keep_Saying_Bryan_Lunduke_is_a_Liability.gmi ∎Sep 26 04:33
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schestowitz-piafaik "invest" in cloud and hey hi at MSFT = we give credit, right?Sep 26 08:11
schestowitz-pii want to be sureSep 26 08:11
schestowitz-pithe aritcle today is vagueSep 26 08:11
techrights-sec5probably credits in 'license' equivalents :(Sep 26 08:12
techrights-sec5no details at all about what is actually changing hands, if anything Sep 26 08:12
techrights-sec5personally, I doubt that any money is ever going to change hands thereSep 26 08:12
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Ubuntu 24.10 ARM ISO Supports the ThinkPad X13s ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/25/Ubuntu_24_10_ARM_ISO_Supports_the_ThinkPad_X13s.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/25/Ubuntu_24_10_ARM_ISO_Supports_the_ThinkPad_X13s.gmi ∎Sep 26 08:18
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Games: GOG, Monster Hunter Wilds, LEGO Horizon Adventures, and More ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Games_GOG_Monster_Hunter_Wilds_LEGO_Horizon_Adventures_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Games_GOG_Monster_Hunter_Wilds_LEGO_Horizon_Adventures_and_More.gmi ∎Sep 26 08:18
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techrights-newsTechrights – Red Hat Publishes Windows Article, Omits Authors' Names ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Red_Hat_Publishes_Windows_Article_Omits_Authors_Names.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Red_Hat_Publishes_Windows_Article_Omits_Authors_Names.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:11
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  5 messaging apps for Linux that make chatting online fun again ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/5_messaging_apps_for_Linux_that_make_chatting_online_fun_again.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/5_messaging_apps_for_Linux_that_make_chatting_online_fun_again.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:17
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  The Dot is closed. Long live KDE Planet! ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/The_Dot_is_closed_Long_live_KDE_Planet.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/The_Dot_is_closed_Long_live_KDE_Planet.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:23
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Reviving A 15-Year Old Asus EeePC With Modern MX Linux ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Reviving_A_15_Year_Old_Asus_EeePC_With_Modern_MX_Linux.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Reviving_A_15_Year_Old_Asus_EeePC_With_Modern_MX_Linux.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:25
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  5 Linux terminal apps that are better than your default - and free to install ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/5_Linux_terminal_apps_that_are_better_than_your_default_and_fre.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/5_Linux_terminal_apps_that_are_better_than_your_default_and_fre.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:27
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Krita 5.2.5 Released! ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Krita_5_2_5_Released.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Krita_5_2_5_Released.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:30
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Openwashing: Winamp Collaborative License (WCL) and Open-Source Journalism ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/25/Openwashing_Winamp_Collaborative_License_WCL_and_Open_Source_Jo.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/25/Openwashing_Winamp_Collaborative_License_WCL_and_Open_Source_Jo.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:37
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Free and Open Source Software, howtos and Installations ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Free_and_Open_Source_Software_howtos_and_Installations.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Free_and_Open_Source_Software_howtos_and_Installations.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:37
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  IPFire 2.29 - Core Update 189 is available for testing ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/IPFire_2_29_Core_Update_189_is_available_for_testing.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/IPFire_2_29_Core_Update_189_is_available_for_testing.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:38
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Ubuntu 24.10 “Oracular Oriole” Enters Public Beta Testing with Linux 6.11, GNOME 47 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/21/Ubuntu_24_10_Oracular_Oriole_Enters_Public_Beta_Testing_with_Li.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/21/Ubuntu_24_10_Oracular_Oriole_Enters_Public_Beta_Testing_with_Li.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:42
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 HowTos  ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/today_s_howtos.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/today_s_howtos.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:45
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Microsoft Antitrust Violations in Clown Computing ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Microsoft_Antitrust_Violations_in_Clown_Computing.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Microsoft_Antitrust_Violations_in_Clown_Computing.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:50
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  RTOS vs Linux: The IoT battle extends from software to hardware ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/RTOS_vs_Linux_The_IoT_battle_extends_from_software_to_hardware.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/RTOS_vs_Linux_The_IoT_battle_extends_from_software_to_hardware.gmi ∎Sep 26 09:50
techrights-sec5"Microsoft to spend $1.3 bln in Mexico on cloud, AI tech"Sep 26 09:55
techrights-sec5https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-spend-13-bln-mexico-cloud-ai-tech-2024-09-24/Sep 26 09:55
techrights-sec5   Sep 26 09:55
techrights-sec5no details in any of the articles, but the Reuters feed seems to have Sep 26 09:55
techrights-sec5been the source of the other articles.  Sep 26 09:55
schestowitz-pity for checkingSep 26 10:13
techrights-sec5npSep 26 10:13
techrights-sec5Forty years ago, wirefeeds seemed more like filler than news.Sep 26 10:14
techrights-sec5They haven't changed, but all the local reporting has been killed so Sep 26 10:14
techrights-sec5relatively speaking they have become among the best of the remainders.Sep 26 10:14
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Our refresh release, Endeavour Neo, is available ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Our_refresh_release_Endeavour_Neo_is_available.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Our_refresh_release_Endeavour_Neo_is_available.gmi ∎Sep 26 11:05
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  DXVK 2.4.1 Improves Support for God of War, GTA: San Andreas, and Other Games ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/DXVK_2_4_1_Improves_Support_for_God_of_War_GTA_San_Andreas_and_.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/DXVK_2_4_1_Improves_Support_for_God_of_War_GTA_San_Andreas_and_.gmi ∎Sep 26 11:35
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Mozilla the Privacy Abuser ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Mozilla_the_Privacy_Abuser.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Mozilla_the_Privacy_Abuser.gmi ∎Sep 26 11:40
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Openwashing or Calling Proprietary LLMs "Open Source" (Widespread Lie) ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Openwashing_or_Calling_Proprietary_LLMs_Open_Source_Widespread_.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Openwashing_or_Calling_Proprietary_LLMs_Open_Source_Widespread_.gmi ∎Sep 26 11:52
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Security and Windows TCO Stories ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Security_and_Windows_TCO_Stories.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Security_and_Windows_TCO_Stories.gmi ∎Sep 26 11:55
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  MYiR Tech MYC-LD25X – A compact STM32MP25 system-on-module running Debian 12 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/MYiR_Tech_MYC_LD25X_A_compact_STM32MP25_system_on_module_runnin.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/MYiR_Tech_MYC_LD25X_A_compact_STM32MP25_system_on_module_runnin.gmi ∎Sep 26 11:57
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴: Google Android Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Android_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Android_Leftovers.gmi ∎Sep 26 12:04
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schestowitz-pitoday you know it's winter because i am back to two layers of tops and bottomsSep 26 12:45
schestowitz-piand long, tooSep 26 12:45
schestowitz-piat least we made the most of it on the "last" weekSep 26 12:45
techrights-sec5It's windy, chilly, and wet here today.  Very overcast.Sep 26 12:45
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Mozilla: Firefox, Rust, and Thunderbird ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/25/Mozilla_Firefox_Rust_and_Thunderbird.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/25/Mozilla_Firefox_Rust_and_Thunderbird.gmi ∎Sep 26 12:55
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Programming Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Programming_Leftovers.gmi ∎Sep 26 12:57
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/today_s_leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/today_s_leftovers.gmi ∎Sep 26 13:00
techrights-newsTechrights – Links 26/09/2024: Russia's Escalation in Its Nuclear Tone ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Links_26_09_2024_Russia_s_Escalation_Nuclear_Tone.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Links_26_09_2024_Russia_s_Escalation_Nuclear_Tone.gmi ∎Sep 26 13:03
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schestowitz-piNeurodivergence and accountability in free software ? https://drewdevault.com/2024/09/25/2024-09-25-Neurodivergence-and-accountability-in-free-software.Sep 26 15:45
schestowitz-pihtmlSep 26 15:45
schestowitz-pitalked about this in irc for a bitSep 26 15:45
schestowitz-pii won't link to it at allSep 26 15:45
schestowitz-picrazydrewSep 26 15:45
techrights-newsTechrights – Lots of Anti-Linux FUD This Week, Some of It is Microsoft- or Chatbot-Generated Spew ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Lots_of_Anti_Linux_FUD_This_Week_Some_of_It_is_Microsoft_or_Cha.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Lots_of_Anti_Linux_FUD_This_Week_Some_of_It_is_Microsoft_or_Cha.gmi ∎Sep 26 15:57
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Latest in the WP Engine Dispute and Lawsuit ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Latest_in_the_WP_Engine_Dispute_and_Lawsuit.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/Latest_in_the_WP_Engine_Dispute_and_Lawsuit.gmi ∎Sep 26 16:22
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  COSMIC Alpha 2 Released with Bluetooth Settings, Much-Improved File Manager ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/COSMIC_Alpha_2_Released_with_Bluetooth_Settings_Much_Improved_F.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/09/26/COSMIC_Alpha_2_Released_with_Bluetooth_Settings_Much_Improved_F.gmi ∎Sep 26 16:38
techrights-newsTechrights – The EPO's Central Staff Committee Explains the EPO Became So Corrupt That It Strives to Almost Automatically Grant Every Patent (Monopoly) Request ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/The_EPO_s_Central_Staff_Committee_Explains_the_EPO_Became_So_Co.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/The_EPO_s_Central_Staff_Committee_Explains_the_EPO_Became_So_Co.gmi ∎Sep 26 17:15
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techrights-newsTechrights – [Meme] Break the Law for the European Patent Office (EPO) or Die (Get Sacked in a Terrible Economy) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Meme_Break_the_Law_for_the_European_Patent_Office_EPO_or_Die_Ge.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Meme_Break_the_Law_for_the_European_Patent_Office_EPO_or_Die_Ge.gmi ∎Sep 26 17:47
techrights-newsTechrights – Microsoft Won't Need to Kill Red Hat Because IBM is Already Doing It (Corporate Suicide) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Microsoft_Won_t_Need_to_Kill_Red_Hat_Because_IBM_is_Already_Doi.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/09/26/Microsoft_Won_t_Need_to_Kill_Red_Hat_Because_IBM_is_Already_Doi.gmi ∎Sep 26 18:03
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techrights-newsSoftware Freedom Day Update ☞ https://blog.system76.com/post/software-freedom-day-at-system76Sep 26 21:36
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