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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 29th, 2008

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schestowitzkentma: BT snares Silicon Valley phone firm [...] The company uses open APIs and has attracted a big community of developers. It hopes to release a consumer version of its product later this year.Jul 29 12:32
schestowitzThe Symbian head appears to be out too: 29 12:33
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brendan_heyJul 29 12:53
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schestowitzHey there, brendan_. Any news?Jul 29 12:53
ZiggyFish_laptopyesJul 29 12:53
ZiggyFish_laptopIBM dominates Green500 supercomputer list < 29 12:54
ZiggyFish_laptopI wonder how many of them supercomputers run linuxJul 29 12:55
schestowitzYes, Red Hat at the top.Jul 29 12:55
schestowitz92% of them run Linux.Jul 29 12:55
schestowitz91% last year, if you include VMs.Jul 29 12:55
ZiggyFish_laptopyeahJul 29 12:55
ZiggyFish_laptopfinally got my computer back from the shopJul 29 12:56
ZiggyFish_laptopand quickly as ever installed LinuxJul 29 12:56
schestowitzOne of my monitors started flickering half an hour ago.Jul 29 12:57
ZiggyFish_laptoplol (was it a CRT ?)Jul 29 12:57
schestowitzI worry that it's part of that huge Nvidia disaster (G84 and G86). They expect to lose hundreds of millions due to this.Jul 29 12:57
schestowitzYes, one is a large CRT.Jul 29 12:58
ZiggyFish_laptoplolJul 29 12:58
schestowitzIt can do over 2000px in width.Jul 29 12:58
ZiggyFish_laptopnice, I use to have a CRT that could do thatJul 29 13:00
schestowitz[rant /] stooopid MSBBC: "In the past Microsoft has been hostile to the open source movement" 29 13:01
schestowitzIn the past? They don't even mention the so-called 'patent terrorism' from last year, let alone the motives in this recent move.Jul 29 13:01
schestowitzThe 24" LCD that I bought is like s step back, pixel-wise. That's hardly progress.Jul 29 13:02
ZiggyFish_laptoplolJul 29 13:03
ZiggyFish_laptopMS is only doing it to make people think it's open, but really it's disabling it's competitors (it's been doing this for decades)Jul 29 13:08
schestowitzSpin sabotage as a good thing. Yeah, like the Novell deal. Microsoft uses it to claim that it's nicer.Jul 29 13:09
ZiggyFish_laptop is an interesting articleJul 29 13:12
ZiggyFish_laptopLocking down open computingJul 29 13:12
schestowitzIt's a shame that he doesn't mention GNU/Linux. I think he uses it. Apple is just a freerider and its platform is locked like a chastity belt (all of them).Jul 29 13:15
ZiggyFish_laptopanyway I'm off (thought I might keep you up to date with what I'm seeing in the IT industry)Jul 29 13:17
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kentmaI know on the ribbit, yes.  It'll be interesting to see what value it'll be.Jul 29 16:54
schestowitzI heard of it before, but it's not Linux, IIRC.Jul 29 16:56
kentmaIt's VC funded.Jul 29 16:58
schestowitzHow much was it bought for. 100 mil?Jul 29 17:01
kentmaUS$100mio, yes.Jul 29 17:06
schestowitzYou should have bought 'em for a pint.Jul 29 17:08
kentmaWe've a lot of new people in making decisions on stuff.Jul 29 17:08
schestowitzMicrosoft has just 'bought'  Apache for just $100,000Jul 29 17:08
kentmaAnd there I was thinking that IIS was a really good platform...Jul 29 17:09
schestowitzWell, they didn't actually /BUY/ anything, but Apache sort of sold out.Jul 29 17:09
schestowitzI reckon we'll need to wait some months before seeing the effects. The OOXML thing was bad enough to begin with (POI)Jul 29 17:10
schestowitzOne of the seniors from Apache was angry with my assessment and left a bunch of comments. Many unknown visitors read those posts too, so I imagine it came up in popular mailing lists or something (about a thousand more visits than the average).Jul 29 17:12
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DB42hi, anybody here ?Jul 29 17:24
DB42how can i know if my comp's ACPI is borked for linux?Jul 29 17:24
schestowitzWhat brand is it?Jul 29 17:28
schestowitzSee 29 17:33
DB42Lenovo 3000 N100Jul 29 17:34
DB42whenever it comes back from sleep mode, the fans stop working and it overheatsJul 29 17:35
schestowitzThey should have OK compatibility. Have you tried it yet (or considering a buy)?Jul 29 17:35
DB42?Jul 29 17:35
DB42i'm usin gitJul 29 17:35
DB42using itJul 29 17:35
DB42both ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 have this problem (i guess others as well)Jul 29 17:35
schestowitzACPI misbehaving?Jul 29 17:36
DB42this is what i thoughtJul 29 17:36
DB42but i have no idea on how to investigate thisJul 29 17:36
schestowitzI'd try to find if other people report the same issue with the same unit/model.Jul 29 17:37
DB42i tried looking for some infJul 29 17:38
DB42oJul 29 17:38
DB42i saw some other complaints here and there, but with no concreate answerJul 29 17:38
schestowitzHave you contacted Lenovo? They are now IBM-free.Jul 29 17:38
DB42nopJul 29 17:39
DB42i rather invstigate this issue :)Jul 29 17:40
DB42besides this is an old / deprcated model, i don't think they would answer anything that might helpJul 29 17:40
DB42is there ACPI checking howto ? i've seen the blog entry you had on thisJul 29 17:40
schestowitzWhat happens when you hibernate?Jul 29 17:40
kentmaschestowitz: if the apache folk are angry, it's most likely because y ou were right.Jul 29 17:41
DB42same issueJul 29 17:41
schestowitzI don't know, kentma, but they actually ignored my arguments and preferred insults.Jul 29 17:42
schestowitzBTW, Perens thought the same thing. Same with SJVN, Ballard, etc.Jul 29 17:42
schestowitzI know there's a large ACPI acticle in WikipediaJul 29 17:43
schestowitz[H]omer's site is cited there.Jul 29 17:43
DB42i tried asking in all #linux channels but didn't get any helpfull answersJul 29 17:44
DB42i need a more linux-oriented tools for checking info :)Jul 29 17:44
schestowitzHave you tried phoronix?Jul 29 17:45
schestowitzThey have some hardware experts there.Jul 29 17:45
DB42they have an irc chan ?Jul 29 17:47
DB42hehJul 29 17:47
DB42:)Jul 29 17:47
schestowitz#phoronix. I'm always there, too.Jul 29 17:48
DB42you run this site?Jul 29 17:48
DB42(boycott)Jul 29 17:48
schestowitzWhich one? No, not phoronix. But I'm friends with Michael, the guy who runs it.Jul 29 17:49
DB42no... boycottnovell ...Jul 29 17:49
schestowitzYes, Shane created the site, but he's busy with other things these days. That may change in the future if my capacity to run the site is no more.Jul 29 17:52
schestowitzSubscribe to our RSS feed if you find the posts interesting. The stories are typically unique. :-)Jul 29 17:53
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DB42very idle channel :)Jul 29 18:11
schestowitzYes, I can see.  I sometimes go there for quick tips. Jul 29 18:13
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DB42is mjg59 on irc ?Jul 29 18:36
schestowitzWho's that?Jul 29 18:38
schestowitzIt's actually michaellarabel who would be helpful.Jul 29 18:39
DB42 29 18:46
schestowitzOh, Matthew Garrett. Why not leave a comment or submit a bug report assigned to him?Jul 29 18:46
DB42in launchpad?Jul 29 18:48
schestowitzYes, but they will need technical details.Jul 29 18:49
DB42checking http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforu... noeJul 29 19:15
DB42wJul 29 19:15
schestowitzLinux setup is the one challenging part (a one-time thing). That's why OEMs ought to get their act together and /TEST/ the hardware if not preinstall a free O/S by default.Jul 29 19:18
schestowitzOne thing you can do is repartition and set up another distro like... ummm... Mandriva 2008.1... see if it works. The partitioner that comes with the installer is very good.Jul 29 19:19
DB42partitioning is not the issue for meJul 29 19:27
schestowitzI recently read about Mandriva resolving some ACPI issue, but don't take my work for it. I saw it in ZDNet UK Community, I think.Jul 29 19:28
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schestowitzMaybe it was WiFi out of the box. Either way, that ought to take not so long to test.Jul 29 19:29
DB42i might try itJul 29 19:29
schestowitzI installed 3 distros when I last decided to set up a new machine. Trying just one blindly is a gamble. You wear blinders.Jul 29 19:29
DB42thats hardly making a case for linux..Jul 29 19:30
schestowitzIt's mainly for the fun of it.Jul 29 19:32
schestowitzChanging distro is OK, I think, as long as you don't change desktop environments (that's where the change becomes radical)Jul 29 19:32
TallkenI changed from Gnome to KDE to Gnome a lot of timesJul 29 19:33
DB42yeah, but most people don't wanna do fun stuff with os, just make it do the stuff they wantJul 29 19:33
schestowitzTrue. That's why things like preinstalls have been important. Next week in LinuxWorld Dell will deliver an announcement about more GNU/Linux laptopsJul 29 19:33
schestowitzTallken: same here.Jul 29 19:34
DB42i actually don't like all the duplicity linux offersJul 29 19:36
schestowitzI think of it like this: advocating against diversity in this case is like complaining about a meal comprising fries *and* burgers.Jul 29 19:38
schestowitzYou can have just *one* if you want, but it's always good to have more 'on the menu;.Jul 29 19:38
DB42nahJul 29 19:38
DB42mroe like a meal comprising of burgers and steakJul 29 19:38
schestowitz:-) Good. One day it's burger and another it's steak. More to savour.Jul 29 19:38
DB42wellJul 29 19:39
DB42it's basicaly all downJul 29 19:40
DB42if you use linux as the cause for using the computerJul 29 19:40
DB42or doing something with the computer on linuxJul 29 19:40
schestowitzThe setup phase is important and if you are sat on the saddle with your favourite apps, then all is well. Have you seen Gates' memo on ACPI?Jul 29 19:42
DB42yesJul 29 19:45
schestowitzHow long does booting up take for you? (Although the issue is probably resolvable)Jul 29 19:47
DB42ubuntu ?Jul 29 19:49
DB42didn't count, about a min ?Jul 29 19:49
schestowitzTry identifying people with the same notebook who resolved this. Failing that, try a GNOME-based distribution that has a new kernel or no roots in Debian.Jul 29 19:51
DB42archlinux ? :)Jul 29 19:53
schestowitzNo, it's for adventures..Jul 29 19:54
DB42i'm actually using it on another computerJul 29 19:55
DB42works pretty niceJul 29 19:55
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DB42but true, it has it's problemsJul 29 19:55
schestowitzLike Gentoo, it's only the setup phase that takes time. One could follow the manual and get it down. Same with the BSDs. Since I run the same programs (mainly Mozilla and KDE), there's no messing around after setup.Jul 29 19:57
DB42gentoo didn't take me too longJul 29 19:58
schestowitzI was going to test KDE 4.1 as a Live CD, but guess which one came out first?Jul 29 19:59
schestowitzOpenSUSE. 'Thanks' to Novell, OpenSUSE is 'permitted' only as long as you don;t make money from  it (hobbyist). Better wait for other KDE 4.1 distros.Jul 29 19:59
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DB42roflJul 29 20:38
DB42money from what ?Jul 29 20:38
DB42modding the os ?Jul 29 20:38
schestowitzDeploying it for businesses. It was popular across Germany.Jul 29 20:39
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