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| schestowitz | kentma: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... BT snares Silicon Valley phone firm [...] The company uses open APIs and has attracted a big community of developers. It hopes to release a consumer version of its product later this year. | Jul 29 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | The Symbian head appears to be out too: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505... | Jul 29 12:33 |
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| brendan_ | hey | Jul 29 12:53 |
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| *brendan_ is now known as ZiggyFish_laptop | Jul 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Hey there, brendan_. Any news? | Jul 29 12:53 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | yes | Jul 29 12:53 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | IBM dominates Green500 supercomputer list <http://www.itnews.com.au/News/News... | Jul 29 12:54 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | I wonder how many of them supercomputers run linux | Jul 29 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Red Hat at the top. | Jul 29 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | 92% of them run Linux. | Jul 29 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | 91% last year, if you include VMs. | Jul 29 12:55 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | yeah | Jul 29 12:55 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | finally got my computer back from the shop | Jul 29 12:56 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | and quickly as ever installed Linux | Jul 29 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | One of my monitors started flickering half an hour ago. | Jul 29 12:57 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | lol (was it a CRT ?) | Jul 29 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | I worry that it's part of that huge Nvidia disaster (G84 and G86). They expect to lose hundreds of millions due to this. | Jul 29 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, one is a large CRT. | Jul 29 12:58 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | lol | Jul 29 12:58 |
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| schestowitz | It can do over 2000px in width. | Jul 29 12:58 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | nice, I use to have a CRT that could do that | Jul 29 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | [rant /] stooopid MSBBC: "In the past Microsoft has been hostile to the open source movement" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t... | Jul 29 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | In the past? They don't even mention the so-called 'patent terrorism' from last year, let alone the motives in this recent move. | Jul 29 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | The 24" LCD that I bought is like s step back, pixel-wise. That's hardly progress. | Jul 29 13:02 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | lol | Jul 29 13:03 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | MS is only doing it to make people think it's open, but really it's disabling it's competitors (it's been doing this for decades) | Jul 29 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | Spin sabotage as a good thing. Yeah, like the Novell deal. Microsoft uses it to claim that it's nicer. | Jul 29 13:09 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h... is an interesting article | Jul 29 13:12 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | Locking down open computing | Jul 29 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | It's a shame that he doesn't mention GNU/Linux. I think he uses it. Apple is just a freerider and its platform is locked like a chastity belt (all of them). | Jul 29 13:15 |
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| ZiggyFish_laptop | anyway I'm off (thought I might keep you up to date with what I'm seeing in the IT industry) | Jul 29 13:17 |
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| kentma | I know on the ribbit, yes. It'll be interesting to see what value it'll be. | Jul 29 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | I heard of it before, but it's not Linux, IIRC. | Jul 29 16:56 |
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| kentma | It's VC funded. | Jul 29 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | How much was it bought for. 100 mil? | Jul 29 17:01 |
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| kentma | US$100mio, yes. | Jul 29 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | You should have bought 'em for a pint. | Jul 29 17:08 |
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| kentma | We've a lot of new people in making decisions on stuff. | Jul 29 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has just 'bought' Apache for just $100,000 | Jul 29 17:08 |
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| kentma | And there I was thinking that IIS was a really good platform... | Jul 29 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Well, they didn't actually /BUY/ anything, but Apache sort of sold out. | Jul 29 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon we'll need to wait some months before seeing the effects. The OOXML thing was bad enough to begin with (POI) | Jul 29 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | One of the seniors from Apache was angry with my assessment and left a bunch of comments. Many unknown visitors read those posts too, so I imagine it came up in popular mailing lists or something (about a thousand more visits than the average). | Jul 29 17:12 |
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| DB42 | hi, anybody here ? | Jul 29 17:24 |
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| DB42 | how can i know if my comp's ACPI is borked for linux? | Jul 29 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | What brand is it? | Jul 29 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | See http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa... | Jul 29 17:33 |
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| DB42 | Lenovo 3000 N100 | Jul 29 17:34 |
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| DB42 | whenever it comes back from sleep mode, the fans stop working and it overheats | Jul 29 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | They should have OK compatibility. Have you tried it yet (or considering a buy)? | Jul 29 17:35 |
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| DB42 | ? | Jul 29 17:35 |
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| DB42 | i'm usin git | Jul 29 17:35 |
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| DB42 | using it | Jul 29 17:35 |
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| DB42 | both ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 have this problem (i guess others as well) | Jul 29 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | ACPI misbehaving? | Jul 29 17:36 |
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| DB42 | this is what i thought | Jul 29 17:36 |
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| DB42 | but i have no idea on how to investigate this | Jul 29 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | I'd try to find if other people report the same issue with the same unit/model. | Jul 29 17:37 |
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| DB42 | i tried looking for some inf | Jul 29 17:38 |
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| DB42 | o | Jul 29 17:38 |
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| DB42 | i saw some other complaints here and there, but with no concreate answer | Jul 29 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Have you contacted Lenovo? They are now IBM-free. | Jul 29 17:38 |
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| DB42 | nop | Jul 29 17:39 |
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| DB42 | i rather invstigate this issue :) | Jul 29 17:40 |
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| DB42 | besides this is an old / deprcated model, i don't think they would answer anything that might help | Jul 29 17:40 |
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| DB42 | is there ACPI checking howto ? i've seen the blog entry you had on this | Jul 29 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | What happens when you hibernate? | Jul 29 17:40 |
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| kentma | schestowitz: if the apache folk are angry, it's most likely because y ou were right. | Jul 29 17:41 |
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| DB42 | same issue | Jul 29 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know, kentma, but they actually ignored my arguments and preferred insults. | Jul 29 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, Perens thought the same thing. Same with SJVN, Ballard, etc. | Jul 29 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | I know there's a large ACPI acticle in Wikipedia | Jul 29 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer's site is cited there. | Jul 29 17:43 |
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| DB42 | i tried asking in all #linux channels but didn't get any helpfull answers | Jul 29 17:44 |
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| DB42 | i need a more linux-oriented tools for checking info :) | Jul 29 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Have you tried phoronix? | Jul 29 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | They have some hardware experts there. | Jul 29 17:45 |
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| DB42 | they have an irc chan ? | Jul 29 17:47 |
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| DB42 | heh | Jul 29 17:47 |
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| DB42 | :) | Jul 29 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | #phoronix. I'm always there, too. | Jul 29 17:48 |
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| DB42 | you run this site? | Jul 29 17:48 |
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| DB42 | (boycott) | Jul 29 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Which one? No, not phoronix. But I'm friends with Michael, the guy who runs it. | Jul 29 17:49 |
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| DB42 | no... boycottnovell ... | Jul 29 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Shane created the site, but he's busy with other things these days. That may change in the future if my capacity to run the site is no more. | Jul 29 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Subscribe to our RSS feed if you find the posts interesting. The stories are typically unique. :-) | Jul 29 17:53 |
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| DB42 | very idle channel :) | Jul 29 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I can see. I sometimes go there for quick tips. | Jul 29 18:13 |
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| DB42 | is mjg59 on irc ? | Jul 29 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | Who's that? | Jul 29 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | It's actually michaellarabel who would be helpful. | Jul 29 18:39 |
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| DB42 | http://mjg59.livejournal.com/ | Jul 29 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, Matthew Garrett. Why not leave a comment or submit a bug report assigned to him? | Jul 29 18:46 |
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| DB42 | in launchpad? | Jul 29 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but they will need technical details. | Jul 29 18:49 |
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| DB42 | checking http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforu... noe | Jul 29 19:15 |
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| DB42 | w | Jul 29 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Linux setup is the one challenging part (a one-time thing). That's why OEMs ought to get their act together and /TEST/ the hardware if not preinstall a free O/S by default. | Jul 29 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | One thing you can do is repartition and set up another distro like... ummm... Mandriva 2008.1... see if it works. The partitioner that comes with the installer is very good. | Jul 29 19:19 |
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| DB42 | partitioning is not the issue for me | Jul 29 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | I recently read about Mandriva resolving some ACPI issue, but don't take my work for it. I saw it in ZDNet UK Community, I think. | Jul 29 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it was WiFi out of the box. Either way, that ought to take not so long to test. | Jul 29 19:29 |
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| DB42 | i might try it | Jul 29 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | I installed 3 distros when I last decided to set up a new machine. Trying just one blindly is a gamble. You wear blinders. | Jul 29 19:29 |
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| DB42 | thats hardly making a case for linux.. | Jul 29 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's mainly for the fun of it. | Jul 29 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | Changing distro is OK, I think, as long as you don't change desktop environments (that's where the change becomes radical) | Jul 29 19:32 |
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| Tallken | I changed from Gnome to KDE to Gnome a lot of times | Jul 29 19:33 |
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| DB42 | yeah, but most people don't wanna do fun stuff with os, just make it do the stuff they want | Jul 29 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | True. That's why things like preinstalls have been important. Next week in LinuxWorld Dell will deliver an announcement about more GNU/Linux laptops | Jul 29 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: same here. | Jul 29 19:34 |
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| DB42 | i actually don't like all the duplicity linux offers | Jul 29 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | I think of it like this: advocating against diversity in this case is like complaining about a meal comprising fries *and* burgers. | Jul 29 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | You can have just *one* if you want, but it's always good to have more 'on the menu;. | Jul 29 19:38 |
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| DB42 | nah | Jul 29 19:38 |
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| DB42 | mroe like a meal comprising of burgers and steak | Jul 29 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | :-) Good. One day it's burger and another it's steak. More to savour. | Jul 29 19:38 |
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| DB42 | well | Jul 29 19:39 |
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| DB42 | it's basicaly all down | Jul 29 19:40 |
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| DB42 | if you use linux as the cause for using the computer | Jul 29 19:40 |
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| DB42 | or doing something with the computer on linux | Jul 29 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | The setup phase is important and if you are sat on the saddle with your favourite apps, then all is well. Have you seen Gates' memo on ACPI? | Jul 29 19:42 |
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| DB42 | yes | Jul 29 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | How long does booting up take for you? (Although the issue is probably resolvable) | Jul 29 19:47 |
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| DB42 | ubuntu ? | Jul 29 19:49 |
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| DB42 | didn't count, about a min ? | Jul 29 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | Try identifying people with the same notebook who resolved this. Failing that, try a GNOME-based distribution that has a new kernel or no roots in Debian. | Jul 29 19:51 |
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| DB42 | archlinux ? :) | Jul 29 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | No, it's for adventures.. | Jul 29 19:54 |
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| DB42 | i'm actually using it on another computer | Jul 29 19:55 |
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| DB42 | works pretty nice | Jul 29 19:55 |
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| DB42 | but true, it has it's problems | Jul 29 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Like Gentoo, it's only the setup phase that takes time. One could follow the manual and get it down. Same with the BSDs. Since I run the same programs (mainly Mozilla and KDE), there's no messing around after setup. | Jul 29 19:57 |
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| DB42 | gentoo didn't take me too long | Jul 29 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | I was going to test KDE 4.1 as a Live CD, but guess which one came out first? | Jul 29 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | OpenSUSE. 'Thanks' to Novell, OpenSUSE is 'permitted' only as long as you don;t make money from it (hobbyist). Better wait for other KDE 4.1 distros. | Jul 29 19:59 |
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| DB42 | rofl | Jul 29 20:38 |
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| DB42 | money from what ? | Jul 29 20:38 |
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| DB42 | modding the os ? | Jul 29 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Deploying it for businesses. It was popular across Germany. | Jul 29 20:39 |
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