| schestowitz | Judge: No cryptographic hash analysis without warrant < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/... > | Nov 16 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | Ugly lock-in.. for the rest of one's life (forget getting the data out of there): http://www.infoworld.com/article/0... | Nov 16 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Legal Hacks < http://www.xkcd.com/504/ > | Nov 16 00:30 |
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| neighborlee | http://techp.org/p/1 < either I forgot about it or never saw it...some great signatures there :) | Nov 16 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | We need to pressure Canonical.There are distributors that prebundle mono and feed it to people who don't understand it and get 'addicted'/locked in to mono apps. Ubuntu is a good example. They stink it up with Mono everywhere... but it's done innocently. | Nov 16 00:44 |
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| MinceR | pressure them. | Nov 16 00:45 |
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| neighborlee | what makes matters worse, is they lock away these 'threadss' in recurring discussions where few regullar users go | Nov 16 00:45 |
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| neighborlee | imagine that | Nov 16 00:45 |
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| neighborlee | a huge campaign neeeds to get out about ubuntu and its decision to use patended technoloy, and nice detail about the company under which thepatent exists..and offer alternat ives like fedora where mono is not in default install, at least on the LIVECD | Nov 16 00:46 |
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| neighborlee | its like the latest election we had in US..people that heard the debates and watched the news and read papers, etc...knew who to vote for it was no brainer ;) | Nov 16 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | jo Shields is directhex | Nov 16 00:48 |
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| neighborlee | never hoid of him/she | Nov 16 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... -- UK-based | Nov 16 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | The defence is funny... indicating that Mono can't be defended. | Nov 16 00:49 |
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| neighborlee | yup , thats directHEX | Nov 16 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/in... | Nov 16 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | [ubuntu/intrepid] mono 1.9.1+dfsg-4ubuntu1 (Accepted) ---- Jo Shields directhex at apebox.org | Nov 16 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Yay!! Accepeted! | Nov 16 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Also in Debian: http://www.nabble.com/Debian-Mo... | Nov 16 00:51 |
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| neighborlee | just not installed by default | Nov 16 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | Have fun: http://www.google.com/search?sour... | Nov 16 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder mostly about motives | Nov 16 00:54 |
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| neighborlee | motive ? | Nov 16 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | There's support for "http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/" in the homepage | Nov 16 00:55 |
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| neighborlee | seems you hit a nerve with JO tghere LOL | Nov 16 00:56 |
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| neighborlee | there | Nov 16 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | Is that a Joanne? | Nov 16 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | AlternateAlias I never suspected was the same person. | Nov 16 00:57 |
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| neighborlee | yup I did sometime ago | Nov 16 00:58 |
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| neighborlee | based on the style of text | Nov 16 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | What a bunch uvv... http://techdirt.com/articles/200... (French Recording Industry Sues SourceForge For Hosting Open Source P2P) | Nov 16 00:58 |
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| neighborlee | sheesh | Nov 16 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they should also sue kitchens for containing knives that MIGHT be used for murder | Nov 16 00:58 |
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| neighborlee | that paul allen article was amazing.. | Nov 16 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | Sharing = MUSIC INDUSTRY. No question asked! | Nov 16 00:59 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Nov 16 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | Paul was having dinner with the crooks 2 weeks ago | Nov 16 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | He's still quite ill. | Nov 16 00:59 |
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| neighborlee | I guess they made up ? o_0 | Nov 16 00:59 |
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| neighborlee | who knows 0- | Nov 16 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they had dinner to discuss who nicks his money when he passes away | Nov 16 01:00 |
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| neighborlee | indeed | Nov 16 01:00 |
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| neighborlee | thats really grosse | Nov 16 01:00 |
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| neighborlee | like maye hils children or someone he named in his WILL just could :)) | Nov 16 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | BillG is feeling poor... he must have lost a lot recently (markets collapse) | Nov 16 01:00 |
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| neighborlee | talk about greed :) | Nov 16 01:00 |
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| neighborlee | I sure hope so | Nov 16 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer is poor. He ants to buy a yacht bigger than Allison's... maybe | Nov 16 01:01 |
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| neighborlee | humility is a big lesson giver. | Nov 16 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: not just rich people lost money though. | Nov 16 01:01 |
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| neighborlee | it shall be harder for rich m an to enter heaven than a camel through eye of needle. | Nov 16 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | The rich will survive. | Nov 16 01:01 |
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| neighborlee | yup there is that | Nov 16 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | People whom I know lost like 40-70% of their savings. | Nov 16 01:01 |
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| neighborlee | yes | Nov 16 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | This changes everything. | Nov 16 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | And getting a job now is hard too. | Nov 16 01:02 |
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| neighborlee | such lessons though yield what really matters,,,and thats not money. | Nov 16 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | (not that I try) | Nov 16 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: yes, that's what happened. | Nov 16 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | Culture probably. | Nov 16 01:02 |
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| neighborlee | we gotta remember what jesus said at times like this..if someone asks for your shirt, give to them also your shoes and hat | Nov 16 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | Tap the minds of people who feel betrayed and introduce them to freedom, not exploitation. | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | Good saying. | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| neighborlee | we survive together, not apart ;) | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| neighborlee | as one. | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| neighborlee | heh | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | Hold in | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug sent me a video earlier | Nov 16 01:03 |
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| neighborlee | even we and Jo can agree to work together..just for foss , the future of software ; | Nov 16 01:04 |
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| neighborlee | ok | Nov 16 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | You've got to watch this: | Nov 16 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FWWr... | Nov 16 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's the first part. It's brilliant and it's why I love YouTube. It's exactly about that. You'll love it. | Nov 16 01:04 |
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| neighborlee | k checking | Nov 16 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | Some people are (were?) so complacent with their lives that they get immerse in BS life.. Second Life affair ends in divorce < http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/11... >. Oh, the poor thing... now, when will CNN air some /REAL/ news? :-) | Nov 16 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | *immersed | Nov 16 01:08 |
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| neighborlee | Kickass, i made boycottnovell front page | Nov 16 01:12 |
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| neighborlee | Thanks Lee, I really feel I've made my mark now << | Nov 16 01:12 |
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| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/s... < from here ROFL | Nov 16 01:12 |
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| neighborlee | this persons ego , knows no bounds ;) | Nov 16 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Damage control: Microsoft employee apologizes to developers < http://www.computerworld.com.au/in... > | Nov 16 01:12 |
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| neighborlee | this is outrageously funny | Nov 16 01:12 |
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| neighborlee | as I said in my last reply..I wont be posting anymore on that thread, until such time as its taken out of recurring discussion and put somewhere everyone will see it | Nov 16 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | Well, our Jimmy "Jihad" has search results 5-6 occupied by some more truths now... http://www.google.com/search?sou... | Nov 16 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | The poor bastard got BNed! | Nov 16 01:13 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Nov 16 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | "Jihad... mopping up... slog..." | Nov 16 01:13 |
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| neighborlee | I wonder if this person would have the GUTS to come here and talk to us . | Nov 16 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | cj used to be here. He left | Nov 16 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | He's working for Microsoft and working on Mono. | Nov 16 01:14 |
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| neighborlee | attention attention all MOLES within shouting distance,,please tell HEX to come here!! | Nov 16 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, you heard that right. There's an intersection there. | Nov 16 01:14 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Nov 16 01:14 |
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| neighborlee | imagine that. | Nov 16 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... | Nov 16 01:15 |
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| neighborlee | im not sure about M$, but I wouldn't doubt novel | Nov 16 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | I don't trust people whose avatar is some chicken. What is s/he, a chiken? | Nov 16 01:15 |
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| neighborlee | LOL yup | Nov 16 01:15 |
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| neighborlee | indeed..I guess we can count on them being too chicken to come here | Nov 16 01:16 |
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| neighborlee | I hope im wrong :) | Nov 16 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Real-time debate.. | Nov 16 01:16 |
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| neighborlee | exactly | Nov 16 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Well, directhex has some mono s/w | Nov 16 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | It's natural to want to protect it and the truth is not convenient. | Nov 16 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | It's not just a matter of patent though. | Nov 16 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | It's a matter of specs control, even potentially copyrights. | Nov 16 01:17 |
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| neighborlee | just like an inconvenient truth and al gore...few wanted to admit it as it gets too deep into their pocket book , yadda. | Nov 16 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | [because .NET is visible now... the code, I mean] | Nov 16 01:17 |
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| neighborlee | yeah...M$ said they would NEVER release source for .net, so to think anyone would base software on it to me is laughable | Nov 16 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | The oil companies twit Gore smears and have them passed on. | Nov 16 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | The media industry does the same thing to Lessig... smears to avoid him getting into Obama's office. | Nov 16 01:18 |
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| neighborlee | I dont know about the lessig thing | Nov 16 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on. | Nov 16 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Did you watch the video? | Nov 16 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Here is is: [Random-bits] U.S. Publishers lobby Obama -- against Larry Lessig < http://lists.essential.org/pipermail... > | Nov 16 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Once Again, Worrisome Financial News Prevails < http://www.pcworld.com/artic... > | Nov 16 01:21 |
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| neighborlee | sorry long nighrt | Nov 16 01:21 |
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| neighborlee | watching now schestowitz | Nov 16 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's good once toy get into the middle. By that point, you realise that it's a brilliant way to make fun of silly things we Westerners do (and rarely think about as outsiders). | Nov 16 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | *you get | Nov 16 01:22 |
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| neighborlee | dont see video | Nov 16 01:23 |
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| neighborlee | I read the url though.. | Nov 16 01:23 |
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| neighborlee | as if having no copyrights would be such a horrible thing..would mankind survvive!! | Nov 16 01:23 |
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| MinceR | gn | Nov 16 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | The market is longing for bread, Intel produces caviar: http://www.pcworld.com/article/153975/... ( Intel Launches Core I7 as PC Demand Softens ) | Nov 16 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FWWrOWnWu1... | Nov 16 01:25 |
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| neighborlee | gn | Nov 16 01:26 |
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| neighborlee | watching | Nov 16 01:27 |
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| neighborlee | LOL | Nov 16 01:36 |
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| neighborlee | dislocated polygamy :)) | Nov 16 01:36 |
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| neighborlee | I love it ;) | Nov 16 01:36 |
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| neighborlee | and the fences..yeah well sometimes they are needed if one has a large dog yadda, but point taken. | Nov 16 01:36 |
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| neighborlee | I wonder if any poor unsuspecting birds, fell from such displays of righteous power ;) | Nov 16 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | Some people in LXer, unlike Linux Today, still defend Novell and Mono. I wrote about 300 posts protesting against patents (I just didn't propose them to LXer), so they accuse me of wrong things (well, the minority does). There's a wide variety of topics in BN... people just cherry-pick what they dislike to discredit the site. *sigh* | Nov 16 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | In the later parts they observe the "invaders" (i.e. tourists) | Nov 16 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's hilarious. | Nov 16 01:42 |
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| neighborlee | of course | Nov 16 01:42 |
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| neighborlee | money makes interesting bedfollows of some people..even makes some ask questions premaaturely about who gets the pot of share before some poor smuck is even dead..I wonder if thats really true..if so man what a nasty dispostiion on gates etal ;) | Nov 16 01:45 |
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| neighborlee | bb a bit latre..friend at door ;0- | Nov 16 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Nov 16 01:47 |
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| neighborlee | OMG im in a elite group..someone thinks me a troll for voicing my anti M$-novel patent comments...oh my anti christ is coming ;)) | Nov 16 02:50 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: hey I need an immediate help | Nov 16 02:52 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: I need to prepare a Charge sheet (poster) against Novell immediately | Nov 16 02:53 |
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| anivar | so need captions and points | Nov 16 02:54 |
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| twitter | What's the special occasion? | Nov 16 03:23 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Nov 16 05:54 |
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| schestowitz | Morning. | Nov 16 08:36 |
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| schestowitz | Brilliant: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/... | Nov 16 09:26 |
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| Killer-X | ok tell me one thing how will you or we can Boycott novell ? | Nov 16 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | One first stop is to choose software that is not distributed by Novell. | Nov 16 09:41 |
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| schestowitz | The next step is urging others to do the same. Only if Novell is pressured for harming Free software will it possible change its colours. | Nov 16 09:42 |
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| Killer-X | but isnt Novell a Industrial OS thing | Nov 16 09:42 |
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| Killer-X | Industrial Purchasing cant be stopped | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| Killer-X | my mother's bank used Novell netware | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | There are other options. | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| Killer-X | Still its used i think | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| Killer-X | but they wont listen | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | The industry is run by individuals | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| Killer-X | is Novell Netware still there | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| Killer-X | we are Bloody Indians | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | They can select and reard companies that do not sign treasonous deals. | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| Killer-X | we go for ms and stuff | Nov 16 09:43 |
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| Killer-X | i am A Indian too | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| Killer-X | I hate Bill Gates | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| schestowitz | Netware might stay for a while, for technical reasons. | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| Killer-X | but not all | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| Killer-X | Ok | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| Killer-X | maybe | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| Killer-X | I dont know what happend in that bank | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| Killer-X | as for me i am in for all | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| schestowitz | To the extent possible, Novell should be avoided. | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| Killer-X | i dont have right to complain | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| Killer-X | Ok i can | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| schestowitz | There are some products that replace Netware and are neither Microsoft nor Novell. | Nov 16 09:44 |
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| Killer-X | but dude wouldnt that kill the experimentation process of individuals like me | Nov 16 09:45 |
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| Killer-X | i try everything | Nov 16 09:45 |
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| Killer-X | i beg i steal i lie ;) | Nov 16 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | Netware become moot when moving to GNU/Linux, but Novell wants to ensure people move towards SUSE, like in Tamil-Nadu. | Nov 16 09:45 |
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| Killer-X | Yes | Nov 16 09:45 |
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| Killer-X | People are uneducated here | Nov 16 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | I know. | Nov 16 09:45 |
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| Killer-X | ya that was in Kerala i think | Nov 16 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | Novell sees Kerala as an opprtunity. | Nov 16 09:45 |
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| Killer-X | i came here because of some ILugd mail list thing | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| Killer-X | yes | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| schestowitz | It wants people there to serve as a case study for Microsoft/Novell. | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| Killer-X | I read that article | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| Killer-X | ya | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| schestowitz | It tries to tap the minds of Keralans. | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| schestowitz | I spoke to RMS this morning. | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| Killer-X | We iNdians and them africans are case study for everything | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| schestowitz | He will launch as awareness campaign. | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| Killer-X | its not Keralans its keralites lol | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| Killer-X | :D | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| schestowitz | Something that says people should not attend events that are sponsored by Microsoft. | Nov 16 09:46 |
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| Killer-X | yes i know | Nov 16 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | (or have Microsoft present in them) | Nov 16 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know about Novell though. | Nov 16 09:47 |
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| Killer-X | i hate monopolistic attitude of MS - i call it Micro SHit | Nov 16 09:47 |
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| Killer-X | even in competition | Nov 16 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | Novell tedns to bring Microsoft and its technologies as 'guests' | Nov 16 09:47 |
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| Killer-X | yes | Nov 16 09:47 |
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| Killer-X | i use Linux, mac and Windows as a part of my research and technical studies | Nov 16 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | Did Microsoft have presence? | Nov 16 09:47 |
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| Killer-X | i dont use them as os | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, did Novell present something Microsoft-related? | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| Killer-X | Actually the only best product Microsoft ever had was Windows XP | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| Killer-X | i dunno | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| Killer-X | Kerala is my neighbouring state | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | Windows XP was not very good. I used it a few times. | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | It's mediocre. | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| Killer-X | it was for me | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | The third-party developers are EVERYTHING it has. And that's not Microsoft. | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| Killer-X | when i use Linux i use OSS based tools | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| Killer-X | The third-party developers ? | Nov 16 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | i came here to see how they take steps to boycott | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | what you mean ? | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | Like Autodesk, game makers, etc. | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | ya | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | ya ya | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | now i understand | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | TP are pimps of MS | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | It's mostly about word of mouth | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | MS Pimps | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | Its a deep deal between them | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | If people associated Novell with Microsoft (as they should), then they steer away from Novell/SUSE. | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | third-party developers are bloody Agents | Nov 16 09:49 |
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| Killer-X | yes | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | What is TP? | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | Suse is Industrial buddy | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | third-party | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, okay. | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | i knew this issue long time ack | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | so i support OSS | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | Substitute | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | I am learner | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | you wage war | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | No war. | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | i take benefit of all ;) | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | Campaign | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | ye way buddy | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | i would | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | it's about information mostly. | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| Killer-X | I hate MS policies deeply but like its GUI :( | Nov 16 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's a matter of habit. I like the KDE GUI. | Nov 16 09:51 |
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| Killer-X | i am into Ubuntu when Win xp dies | Nov 16 09:51 |
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| Killer-X | is it same as Windows ? | Nov 16 09:51 |
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| Killer-X | i am so used to windoes | Nov 16 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | KDE? | Nov 16 09:51 |
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| Killer-X | yes | Nov 16 09:51 |
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| Killer-X | how is Gnome ? | Nov 16 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | It's said to be similar, but it's a lot more powerful. | Nov 16 09:51 |
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| Killer-X | that was since past 8 years i hear about Gnome | Nov 16 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | I use GNOME sometimes. It's good too. | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| Killer-X | my friend had actually set up ripped Mac | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| Killer-X | Mac is better then Any OS actually | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| Killer-X | i saw the video | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| Killer-X | Windows XP eats dust | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| Killer-X | Mac video had 0% pixelation | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, looks are not a factor. Any GNU/Linux desktop environment can be made to look like anything. | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | But what for? | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| Killer-X | Linux is a good X64 nad X86 based | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| Killer-X | Mac is Unique Os though :( | Nov 16 09:52 |
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| Killer-X | schestowitz it is about ease | Nov 16 09:53 |
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| Killer-X | sorry did i say looks | Nov 16 09:53 |
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| Killer-X | its about ease | Nov 16 09:53 |
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| Killer-X | i mean navigating a os should be os | Nov 16 09:53 |
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| Killer-X | see its like this | Nov 16 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | Mac has dumbed-down application. It's good for a lot of people. | Nov 16 09:53 |
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| Killer-X | Lame GUI and Lame Comman line software | Nov 16 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | *Applications | Nov 16 09:53 |
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| Killer-X | i saw the video and found out | Nov 16 09:53 |
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| Killer-X | its better than all os | Nov 16 09:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's not free (libre) | Nov 16 09:54 |
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| Killer-X | Clear Type was formation of MAc and Vista is a Mac CLone | Nov 16 09:54 |
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| Killer-X | ya | Nov 16 09:54 |
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| Killer-X | But its not imposing as Windows | Nov 16 09:54 |
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| Killer-X | actually you know what they said | Nov 16 09:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's more proprietary than Windows in some ways. | Nov 16 09:54 |
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| Killer-X | Nothing is actually free | Nov 16 09:54 |
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| Killer-X | Its Open but not free in some terms - Linux | Nov 16 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | free as in beer or speech? | Nov 16 09:55 |
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| Killer-X | You still pay for support | Nov 16 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | With //any/ O/S. | Nov 16 09:55 |
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| Killer-X | Free as in Freedom as in get as what adam was promised by God | Nov 16 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | Same with cars. Gasoline, fixing, etc. | Nov 16 09:55 |
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| Killer-X | see even to get Gimp lessons you have to pay the tutors | Nov 16 09:55 |
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| Killer-X | if they start classes | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | That's how money is made. | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| Killer-X | i felt Gimp was harder then PS | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| Killer-X | ok | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| Killer-X | bees bring in stuff for free ;) | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| Killer-X | and men sell it ;) | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | Workforce is not free. People are paid for knowledge | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| Killer-X | ya thats what i say | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | Information can be distributed for free; people's labour cannot. | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| Killer-X | ok | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's a question of scarcities. | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| Killer-X | ok | Nov 16 09:56 |
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| Killer-X | but see thats what i am saying why microsoft sucks | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | It fixes pricing. | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | See the Intel fiasco | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/HP_Microsof... | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| Killer-X | like Intel Vs AMD ???? | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| Killer-X | Vista sux man | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| Killer-X | Its a CLone of MAc | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | Intel and AMD both require manufacturing. | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| Killer-X | trust me with all shitty apps | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| Killer-X | ???? | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| Killer-X | whats Intel fiasco ? | Nov 16 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | I never used Vista. | Nov 16 09:58 |
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| Killer-X | ya me too | Nov 16 09:58 |
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| Killer-X | I am still with Win XP and opting for Ubuntu | Nov 16 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | Never touched the thing, except for on a test machine at the airport. | Nov 16 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | XP with black theme... | Nov 16 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | Welcome back, 2001. | Nov 16 09:58 |
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| Killer-X | for me i get to experiment a lot with XP :D | Nov 16 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | Intel is another company worth avoiding, to answer your question. | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| Killer-X | i usd to tweak and and install all softwares | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's a criminal organisation too. | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| Killer-X | i know | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | They bribe, they attack charities, they fix prices, they attack small companies over copyrights, they suppress development in China. | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| Killer-X | they attack charities ? | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | OLPC | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| Killer-X | what did they do | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| Killer-X | charities ?? :| | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | They 'slogged' them. | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| Killer-X | uppress development in China ? | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| Killer-X | link me | Nov 16 09:59 |
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| Killer-X | its like Nikism | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | They drove them out of business, so to speak. | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| Killer-X | U know Nikism ? | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | So that they can carry on price-fixing. | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| Killer-X | what charities | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | Nike-ism? | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| Killer-X | I know i recently saw AMD Intel Case | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | In China, chips are made cheaply now. | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| Killer-X | how Intel paid hardware dealers to stop AMD from penetrating Markets | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | They produce laptops for less than $100. These run only GNU/Linux. | Nov 16 10:00 |
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| Killer-X | Nike is m is a way to not pay labour and sell shoes at higher price | Nov 16 10:01 |
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| Killer-X | ya i know | Nov 16 10:01 |
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| schestowitz | To Intel it's a huge threat because it costs Intel just about $20 to make its chips. | Nov 16 10:01 |
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| schestowitz | They prefer to sell the chips for hundreds of dollars though (far margins). | Nov 16 10:01 |
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| Killer-X | actually most people say AMD Is better and Intel sucks c0*** | Nov 16 10:01 |
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| schestowitz | So they combat knowledge about transistor becoming like generic drugs. | Nov 16 10:02 |
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| Killer-X | 100$ amd is 250 $ Intel | Nov 16 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | Killer-X: Nike is a good example. | Nov 16 10:02 |
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| Killer-X | in India 6000 rs Intel Machine will buy you a AMD Processor + A Asus mother board | Nov 16 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | The west made /HUGE/ (obscene) margins while paying pittance to workers. | Nov 16 10:02 |
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| Killer-X | ya | Nov 16 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | Likewise, Intel made billions while running factories in south east Asia. | Nov 16 10:02 |
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| Killer-X | i am giving examples of NON Pc entities because its habit of US Monopolies | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | Now the people in Asia create their own companies. | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | They can sell the same stuff for tenth the price. | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| Killer-X | We alos had Lots of monopolies before 199 | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| Killer-X | We alos had Lots of monopolies before 1991 | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | It scared the 'knowledge workers' from the west. | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| Killer-X | it happens buddy | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | They can't exploit as much anymore. | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| Killer-X | But american Govt supports them | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | It was the same in China. | Nov 16 10:03 |
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| Killer-X | Intel funds deep inside all the activities of Goivt i presume | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| Killer-X | so it is let free | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | The Japanese and multi-nationals exploited the people and also killed them before the revolution. | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| Killer-X | I love how intel is screwed in 4 nations | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's a matter of looting one's country from afar. | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| Killer-X | i think | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | India also had the British empire. | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| Killer-X | or 2 nations and 2 cases | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | Same with South Africa. | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| Killer-X | like what ? | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| Killer-X | British empire was better | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | America support them, yes... | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| Killer-X | Indians were low lifes killing women | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| Killer-X | and caste system | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | See http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=co... | Nov 16 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | The govt *IS* the companies | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | Obama is still a Babe | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | Bush is speaking large | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | If it brings money to the countries, then suppression overseas is supported | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | still | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | he met our mofo PM | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | [by the 'govt', i.e. lobbyists and cronies] | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | i hate that Politics | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | as you said BIDEN is VP :( | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | sad | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | It's not politics, it's corruption. | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | He is another anti | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | yes | Nov 16 10:05 |
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| Killer-X | Bush is long gone | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | The US, in my humble options, is now run by more corruption than ever before. | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | Watch how the world markets collapse. | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | The only reason is greed and corruption. | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| Killer-X | i dont know what people have to do with EX Presidents | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| Killer-X | Yes i know | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | The govt. turned a blind eye to accommodate the fat cats. | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| Killer-X | desire in humans kill the need to survive | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| Killer-X | fat cats ? | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| Killer-X | all this happens because of greed | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | Biden is a puppet | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| Killer-X | MS is greedy | Nov 16 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | He works for interests of the media industry in the US | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| Killer-X | and truth is the only OS which is true is UNIX | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | Which is a shame really... nothing unusual though. | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| Killer-X | and all rest oses are UNIX based | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | The media industry is one of the US's main exports. | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| Killer-X | they just used the core and built other os | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| Killer-X | yes i know schestowitz | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| Killer-X | i pee on RAP And HIP HOP | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| Killer-X | that shit has DRM | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | DRM? | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| Killer-X | curse all i hear is booty | Nov 16 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | They vend DRM in Kerala? | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| Killer-X | ya digital rights management | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| Killer-X | noooooo | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | That helps them elevate their income. | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| Killer-X | rap and hip hop should be drm free | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| Killer-X | They vend DRM in Kerala? means ???? | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | They sell the same stuff repeatedly for different devices.. to the same person | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| Killer-X | its crap | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| Killer-X | what u thought when i said DRM ? | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| Killer-X | yes schestowitz | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | Same thing. | Nov 16 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | The media industry mistreats rappers. | Nov 16 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | They are being exploited. | Nov 16 10:09 |
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| Killer-X | really ? | Nov 16 10:09 |
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| Killer-X | i hate rap and hiphop | Nov 16 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | It is better to support rap that comes from source like Creative Commons. | Nov 16 10:09 |
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| Killer-X | yes | Nov 16 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | Foster those who escape the shackles of the MAFIAA (RIAA/MPAA) | Nov 16 10:09 |
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| Killer-X | yes | Nov 16 10:09 |
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| Killer-X | i will see | Nov 16 10:09 |
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| Killer-X | Ektoplasm gives away free trance | Nov 16 10:10 |
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| Killer-X | Trance community is greaT example for non DRM tuff | Nov 16 10:10 |
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| Killer-X | Trance community is greaT example for non DRM stuff | Nov 16 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://magnatune.com/today/ | Nov 16 10:10 |
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| Killer-X | ya | Nov 16 10:11 |
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| Killer-X | Ektoplasm gives free mixes | Nov 16 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | The means for income include merchandise, concerts, etc. | Nov 16 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | It's like free beer and paid-for food | Nov 16 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | Or Free software and services apart | Nov 16 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | No access to code is analogous to DRM | Nov 16 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | Or restriction on sharing with friends the media you like | Nov 16 10:13 |
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| Killer-X | dude schestowitz u know what :D | Nov 16 10:13 |
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| Killer-X | i use Mozilla Firefox from past 1 year | Nov 16 10:13 |
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| Killer-X | I am liking it ;) | Nov 16 10:13 |
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| Killer-X | thats a greatest gift from OSS | Nov 16 10:13 |
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| Killer-X | IE Sucks bad | Nov 16 10:13 |
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| Killer-X | i can use mozilla firefox even in restricted envoriment due to Portable apps ;) | Nov 16 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | You can repay Firefox by putting a banner in your site or adding a signature to your E-mails with a recommendation. | Nov 16 10:14 |
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| Killer-X | ok | Nov 16 10:14 |
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| Killer-X | i stopped using IE | Nov 16 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | Firefox is also paid (well, Mozilla is) when you use its search facility | Nov 16 10:15 |
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| schestowitz | IE is spyware. Literally. | Nov 16 10:15 |
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| Killer-X | i can hack html embeded codes using FF3 :D | Nov 16 10:15 |
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| Killer-X | not like that schestowitz | Nov 16 10:15 |
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| schestowitz | IE7 and onwards are spyware. | Nov 16 10:15 |
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| Killer-X | it cant handle js properly | Nov 16 10:15 |
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| Killer-X | if something is done in OS its difficult to load some webpages | Nov 16 10:15 |
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| Killer-X | like some changes on how script is handled | Nov 16 10:15 |
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| Killer-X | lol | Nov 16 10:16 |
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| Killer-X | bye | Nov 16 10:16 |
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| schestowitz | Cya | Nov 16 10:16 |
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| *Killer-X has quit ("all want people in their os is read email browse the net and Chat online about 60% people") | Nov 16 10:16 |
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| trmanco | http://www.stiennon.com/image... | Nov 16 10:58 |
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| trmanco | http://www.stiennon.com/images/SysCall... | Nov 16 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, I know these. | Nov 16 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | I contacted the author before. | Nov 16 11:00 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Nov 16 11:01 |
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| trmanco | I found these on a Vista 7 discussion | Nov 16 11:02 |
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| trmanco | post | Nov 16 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7: same DRM mess, different name | Nov 16 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | The unfortunate things is that the DRM criticism/literature names "Vista", so people might think that Microsoft departed from it. They might think that it gets lighter because the DRM prison is removed (which it ain't). | Nov 16 11:05 |
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| trmanco | I'm having a lot of wild discussion about that vista 7 crap | Nov 16 11:07 |
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| trmanco | And looks like I'm contaminated with some kind of disease | Nov 16 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Mind-poisoning. | Nov 16 11:10 |
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| trmanco | on which I can't evaluate any Microsoft product, equally | Nov 16 11:10 |
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| trmanco | I'll show you, it is in Portuguese tho | Nov 16 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it would be useful to start a VIsta7 awareness campaign. | Nov 16 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | twitter has a page that documents Vista7 disinformation. | Nov 16 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft relies on the fact that nobody can use Vista, so it has people relying on its bribed shills and boosters. | Nov 16 11:11 |
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| trmanco | yes that would be good | Nov 16 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | It was the SAME with Vista back in the dats. | Nov 16 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | *days | Nov 16 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | Watch this: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/... | Nov 16 11:12 |
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| trmanco | that was wild | Nov 16 11:14 |
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| trmanco | http://www.webtuga.com/forum/?showt... | Nov 16 11:14 |
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| trmanco | here is the post | Nov 16 11:14 |
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| trmanco | http://translate.google.com/trans... | Nov 16 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 indeed. What's to see here? | Nov 16 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | XP reloaded, minus performance, application compatibility, polish. | Nov 16 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | The 'new' Coke, version 7. | Nov 16 11:16 |
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| trmanco | if you scroll down you will see some of my comments | Nov 16 11:16 |
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| trmanco | pulling out some truth | Nov 16 11:17 |
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| trmanco | on the second page you can see a post where he says that I suffer from some kind of a disease | Nov 16 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Nice sig | Nov 16 11:19 |
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| trmanco | thanks | Nov 16 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | Disease, eh? | Nov 16 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | ""Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2." Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry." | Nov 16 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | "We want to place selection pressure on those companies and individuals that show a genetic weakness for competitors' technologies, to make the industry increasingly resistant to such unhealthy strains, over time."" | Nov 16 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | --Microsoft evangelism < http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... >. From James Plamondon: Microsoft Guerrilla < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... > | Nov 16 11:20 |
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| trmanco | who said that | Nov 16 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft | Nov 16 11:21 |
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