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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 16th, 2009 - Part 1

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schestowitzIt worked yesterday... all I changed if the creation of the very first subsiteJan 16 00:00
schestowitzThen it stopped redirecting from www.[x] to just [x]... although it never actually redirected but it loaded up the pages from /public_htmlJan 16 00:00
schestowitzLots os trolling in SJVN's blog indeed: http://blogs.computerworld.com/sc...Jan 16 00:03
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schestowitzhttp://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry... ( New: OpenOffice.org 3.0.1 release candidate 2 (build OOO300_m15) available )Jan 16 00:13
schestowitzBartz leaning against selling Yahoo search http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/...Jan 16 00:14
schestowitz"On Wednesday, Bartz said that her gut instinct was not to sell the company's search business to Microsoft, according to a news report. Her comment, made during a meeting with employees, according to Dow Jones newswire, sent Yahoo's shares falling 80 cents, or 6 percent, to $11.61 today."Jan 16 00:14
tessier_"I surmise this is what "Pamela Jones" is...or, was that is. She directed MedAbiliti's Public Affairs program. Her son Nicholas was CEO. They had a stake in their XM Network product, which ran via FLOSS. SCO bashes FLOSS with its suit on IBM, jeopardizing XM sales" - from a comment on that SJVN articleJan 16 00:16
neighborleeschestowitz, good for her ;)Jan 16 00:16
schestowitzWhy did /. list this as humour? http://entertainment.slashdot.org... (also a photo.. on /.??????????)Jan 16 00:16
tessier_It seems quite a stretch to claim that this jeopardizes xm sales. I don't see how one would affect the other or why I would be more or less likely to buy an xm radio.Jan 16 00:16
tessier_schestowitz: Because she's so stupid it's funny?Jan 16 00:17
schestowitzIt's trollingJan 16 00:17
tessier_On who's part?Jan 16 00:17
schestowitztessier: yes, but there is another way to look at it.Jan 16 00:17
schestowitzAs though it was satire... fictional storyJan 16 00:17
schestowitzThe SCO crowdJan 16 00:18
tessier_Is it satire and a fictional story? It looked real...Jan 16 00:18
tessier_It's not on theonion.com and today isn't April 1st...not sure how we are to tell the difference.Jan 16 00:18
tessier_Someone posted in the comments claiming to be from Dell and offering to help her. Was that a plant also?Jan 16 00:18
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Seattle_ana... "Checks indicate that Microsoft is likely to engage in headcount reductions to the tune of 6,000-8,000 employees, or ~6%-~8% of its ~95,000 workforce, a number much lower than cited in the media," Parakh wrote.Jan 16 00:19
schestowitz+permatemps?Jan 16 00:19
schestowitzDell /does/ show up in sitesJan 16 00:19
schestowitzWhen I submitted Dell stuff to netscape.com they showed upJan 16 00:19
tessier_Yeah, they probably use google to monitor all of the blog feedsJan 16 00:19
schestowitzThey also say that they keep track of blogs...  damage control lots of the time.Jan 16 00:19
schestowitzDell is axing 1800 IIRCJan 16 00:20
schestowitzFailed company (or failing..Jan 16 00:20
tessier_I posted something about flying and someone who had a relevant product showed up within hours and commented on my blog directing me to their site.Jan 16 00:20
tessier_It's amazing.Jan 16 00:20
schestowitzYes, that happensJan 16 00:20
schestowitzThis morning we had spam like that in BNJan 16 00:20
schestowitzThey latch onto things like job cuts and promote (arbitrarily) their own job sites... not viagra/p0rn-type spam, but more like manual SEO garbafeJan 16 00:21
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schestowitzJust added: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M8B3aDBq9kA "Scott and Jordan were asked to create a fun custom farewell song to a long standing employee at Novell."Jan 16 00:23
schestowitz Obama poised to be first 'wired' president < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/15/obama.i... >Jan 16 00:27
neighborleeyeah our first hip president I think...in many ways.Jan 16 00:29
neighborleeand likely one of the smartest if not the smartest ;)Jan 16 00:29
neighborleenice to see ones vote counting for something good for a change ;)Jan 16 00:29
schestowitzWe'll live and see.. :-)Jan 16 00:31
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schestowitzIt took you half an hour to figure that out? :-pJan 16 01:04
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schestowitzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3EC...Jan 16 09:11
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schestowitzSteve Jobs health revelation triggers lawsuit speculation < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22696/1151/ > "The news that Steve Jobs' medical condition is "more complex" than previously disclosed has led to speculation that we will see class actions brought against Apple or its directors." They were in trouble before for fraudJan 16 09:22
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MinceRhow are you gentlemen !!Jan 16 09:49
PeterKrauspishJan 16 09:50
PeterKrausone pint of fosters and i've got a headacheJan 16 09:51
PeterKraus:/Jan 16 09:51
MinceRit's poisonJan 16 09:51
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PeterKrausi actually think i drank not enoughJan 16 09:55
PeterKraus0.5l of water at a gig, wellJan 16 09:56
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schestowitzWhich gig?Jan 16 10:10
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-10143990-23... (Video game industry roars in December)Jan 16 10:12
schestowitzFriend says: "I'm wondering how MS can make the claim of moving so many boxes?  Or how Sony lets them get away with the claims. I know anecdotal evidence is, just that, and not scientific, but the claims do not match my observations.  Further it would not be the first time that MSFTers have compared apples and oranges to make themselves look better."Jan 16 10:12
schestowitz"It's probably 1) PR to spin incendiary power supplies, drives that scratch to death expensive game CDs, and the Red Ring of Death, and 2) dishonest manipulation of statistics. If I had to take a guess, the others are reporting the number of units that went home and MSFT is reporting the number of units that got sent to the stores to gather dust on the shelves."Jan 16 10:12
schestowitzThey still treat Nintendo like it does not exist... Microsoft spin... ignore the winner, talk only about the losersJan 16 10:13
PeterKrausschestowitz: the gutter twins. http://pk.gjhak.sk/?uid=141Jan 16 10:33
schestowitzI'm eatingg..Jan 16 10:34
schestowitzIntel almost made a loss... http://www.pcworld.com/article/157808/intels_net...Jan 16 10:42
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/157799/micr...Jan 16 10:43
PeterKrausright-o! see you laterJan 16 10:47
schestowitzThe Asian firms could wipe Intel in the future... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01...Jan 16 10:53
schestowitzTop Blogs' Favorite Platforms Identified < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/15... >. We win... (WP)Jan 16 10:55
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor... "If Microsoft's past history is worth anything then the chance of a stable and usable Windows 7 released on schedule is rather close to zero. Delays will provide that many more disgruntled Vista users the opportunity to discover Linux."Jan 16 11:02
schestowitzFOSS awards.. http://www.trophees-du-libre.org/ .. but not in EnglishJan 16 11:07
schestowitz IT Salary 2009: Survey Says Modest Declines < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/articl... >Jan 16 11:08
schestowitzHans is doing an interview with himself.. http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/01/...Jan 16 11:13
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myRicky_cnhi allJan 16 12:46
schestowitzHey there.Jan 16 12:54
myRicky_cn€°€®ÃƒË†Ãƒâ€¹€¶ÃƒÂ¹Jan 16 13:00
myRicky_cnare u chinese?Jan 16 13:00
schestowitzHeh. No..Jan 16 13:04
schestowitzMicrosoft pulled an EDGI on JordanJan 16 13:25
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schestowitz"Dept of Homeland Security" was gonna put OOo on 200000 machines... but MS stepped in (2002)Jan 16 13:28
schestowitzanivar: I have more on IndiaJan 16 13:28
schestowitzEDGI stuffJan 16 13:28
anivarschestowitz:  greatJan 16 13:28
anivaryou have put my name 8 time in last postJan 16 13:30
anivarThat is too muchJan 16 13:30
anivarschestowitz:  BTW I also have an Interesting LinkJan 16 13:30
anivarhttp://www.indianexpress.com/news/rs-500...Jan 16 13:31
anivarThe state government is inclined to go for free open source software (FOSS) for schools. “As of now, the government has decided to go for FOSS, which is available at almost no cost, but Microsoft too has offered to provide their operating system free of cost. It's up to the Education department to decide on it,” Kumar added.Jan 16 13:31
schestowitzIs it subsidized?Jan 16 13:32
anivarGujarat Government will spend around Rs 500 crore to buy 1,50,000 computers, peripherals and LCDs to equip some 20,000 primary and upper primary schools in the state, over the next five years.Jan 16 13:33
anivarThe project will also include 3D multimedia educational content software, a cyber-based school management system to monitor school activities, besides providing the requisite IT training to teachers across the state.Jan 16 13:33
anivarschestowitz:  Please dont quote me in stories .. If you quoted me it is difficult for me to promote those storiesJan 16 13:34
anivarin local pressJan 16 13:34
anivarschestowitz:  M$ seems to be offering their Crap OS freeJan 16 13:36
schestowitzOf courseJan 16 13:37
schestowitzNot just in IndiaJan 16 13:37
schestowitzThat's monopoly abuseJan 16 13:37
schestowitzIt's illegalJan 16 13:37
schestowitzThey also do this in a targeted fashion  to choke competition.Jan 16 13:37
zer0c00ldamn microsoftJan 16 13:39
zer0c00lwhat happened in kerala? goverment going to change their policy?Jan 16 13:41
anivarzer0c00l:  Not yetJan 16 13:42
zer0c00lnot let them to change pleaseJan 16 13:42
anivarWe are fighting Back .Jan 16 13:43
zer0c00lyeahJan 16 13:43
anivarMainstream Media is slowly picking up the issueJan 16 13:43
zer0c00lsure we will winJan 16 13:43
schestowitzanivar: Jan 16 13:43
zer0c00lgood luckJan 16 13:43
schestowitzListenJan 16 13:43
schestowitzI will post another one soonJan 16 13:43
schestowitzIt shows details about EDGI in AsiaJan 16 13:43
anivarWe are in the process of Creating a Policy watch  groupJan 16 13:43
schestowitzI think it might helpJan 16 13:43
schestowitzThat's why I'm slow to responsJan 16 13:44
anivarAlso a lot of Right to Information applications are Filed to get the details of M$ InterventionsJan 16 13:44
schestowitzThe scan is poor, so I copy by hand (20+ slides)Jan 16 13:44
anivarschestowitz:  Good.Jan 16 13:44
anivarschestowitz:  In India story You missed to stress on the Indian Public Name of EDGI . It called as Project ShikshaJan 16 13:46
schestowitzThey have many codenamesJan 16 13:46
schestowitzLike CompHotJan 16 13:46
schestowitzThey make it crypticJan 16 13:46
anivarokJan 16 13:47
schestowitzSo to avoid saying "anti-Linux fight" they say something like CompHotJan 16 13:47
schestowitzOr EDGI and other related acronyms.Jan 16 13:47
anivarBut This is a Public NameJan 16 13:47
schestowitzDavid Driftmier  and Orlando Ayala are behind itJan 16 13:47
schestowitzBillG and SteveB are very much in favourJan 16 13:47
schestowitzEDGI in India seems to be an idea that came from Bill GatesJan 16 13:51
schestowitzHe spoke to Wipro (CEO?)Jan 16 13:51
schestowitzThere is an E-mail showing how it came aboutJan 16 13:51
anivargoodJan 16 13:55
schestowitzOK, I'm done. I just need to cross-ref and proofread nowJan 16 13:55
schestowitzBRIC=Brazil-Russia-India-ChinaJan 16 13:56
schestowitzMicrosoft has codes for these countriesJan 16 13:56
*anivar is awayJan 16 14:04
schestowitzA troubling trend in Global Warming Denial on the internet http://www.desmogblog.com/2008-stats-glo...Jan 16 14:18
schestowitzanivar: I will post about EDGI tomorrow (last one almost)Jan 16 14:18
trmancohow is th wiki?Jan 16 14:18
schestowitztrmanco: it's OKJan 16 14:18
schestowitzIt's being worked onJan 16 14:18
trmancowiki.boycottnovell.com isn't working yetJan 16 14:18
schestowitzBut I f* up www.boycottnovell.comJan 16 14:18
schestowitztrmanco: I removed that subsiteJan 16 14:18
schestowitzBut www. is still brokenJan 16 14:19
trmancoweirdJan 16 14:19
schestowitzAdding "wiki." ruined it somehowJan 16 14:19
schestowitzI've set up subsites in 2 other domains before (schestowitz.com and othellomaster.com) and it never happenedJan 16 14:19
schestowitzBoth Red Hat, cPanel... all the sameJan 16 14:19
trmancoproblems on .htaccessJan 16 14:20
schestowitzRussia to create "National OS" Based on GNU/Linux? http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/0...Jan 16 14:20
schestowitztrmanco: you think so?Jan 16 14:20
schestowitzMight be...Jan 16 14:20
trmancomaybeJan 16 14:20
schestowitzHow to fix it? I haven't lookedJan 16 14:21
trmancoI already had a similar problem, I lost all my fancy permalinks when I disabled hotlinkingJan 16 14:21
trmancowell, in my case I just regenerated/updated my permalink on the wordpress adminJan 16 14:22
trmancopermalinks*Jan 16 14:22
schestowitzPermalinks are a different matterJan 16 14:22
schestowitzIt treats www. as though it's  a proper non-existent subsiteJan 16 14:22
schestowitzSo we have broken links in BN (not many though)Jan 16 14:22
trmancoin wordpress there is something that controls WWW tooJan 16 14:22
schestowitzI escalated to the Web hostJan 16 14:22
schestowitz"Firefox can't find the server at www.boycottnovell.com."Jan 16 14:23
trmanconeither can my firefoxJan 16 14:24
trmancothe www isn't redirecting to the main siteJan 16 14:24
schestowitzAyeJan 16 14:25
schestowitzOne option that I have is merging.Jan 16 14:26
schestowitzRunning a script to redirect, BUTJan 16 14:26
schestowitzIf it's not even accepting the www, then it's of no use. It assumed both 'paths' are accessibleJan 16 14:27
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schestowitzhttp://www.osnews.com/story/20780/Plea_t... Plea to Educators: Don't Force a Format Down Students' ThroatsJan 16 14:28
trmancomaybe if you generate them again wordpress they will workJan 16 14:29
trmancowordpress has some option which lets you choose between WWW and no WWWJan 16 14:29
schestowitzBut it's not about WordPressJan 16 14:30
schestowitzEven if it's bypassed, it's not reachable: http://www.boycottnovell.com/wiki/in...Jan 16 14:31
schestowitzBUT...Jan 16 14:31
schestowitzMaybe WordPress will modify .htaccessJan 16 14:31
trmancoright, I have wordpress in my root dirJan 16 14:31
trmanco:|Jan 16 14:32
trmancomaybe that's whyJan 16 14:32
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schestowitzThe crooks from Citrix might be after another Linux(ish) asset now: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N...Jan 16 14:48
schestowitztrmanco: I changed nothing in WP. It's probably an issue at another levelJan 16 14:49
schestowitzI've already spent almost 2 hours looking for an answer.Jan 16 14:49
ushimitsudokii had a subdomain problem similar to that onceJan 16 14:49
ushimitsudokiwhere x.domain.com would not resolveJan 16 14:49
trmancoyou have another .htaccess, on the highest level of the public_htmlJan 16 14:50
ushimitsudokiturned out my host was at one place, but the DNS was at anotherJan 16 14:50
trmancomaybe that is the oneJan 16 14:50
ushimitsudokisomething like that ... i would have to find the emailJan 16 14:50
schestowitzWhat if www suddenly stops working?Jan 16 14:50
schestowitzI have a symbolic www dirJan 16 14:51
schestowitzOh waitJan 16 14:53
schestowitzWikimedia creates this under its .htaccessJan 16 14:53
schestowitzRewriteEngine onJan 16 14:53
schestowitzRewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^wiki.boycottnovell.com$ [OR]Jan 16 14:53
schestowitzRewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www.wiki.boycottnovell.com$Jan 16 14:53
schestowitzRewriteRule ^(.*)$ "http\:\/\/boycottlinspire\.com\/wiki" [R=301,L]Jan 16 14:53
schestowitzwww.wiki.??????/Jan 16 14:54
trmancoI don't understand very much of .htacces syntaxJan 16 14:55
schestowitzMe neither, except for the basicJan 16 14:55
schestowitz*sicsJan 16 14:55
trmancoit looks alright to meJan 16 14:55
trmancocheck all you .htaccess filesJan 16 14:56
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schestowitzI'll do a digg wrt backupsJan 16 15:18
schestowitz*digg, not diggJan 16 15:18
schestowitz*Ha! DiffJan 16 15:18
schestowitzhttp://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/01/ibms_... "The point could be made more strongly: If we're lucky, we get the chance for this kind of transformation once a generation. It would be a scandal on the scale of the last 8 years to fritter it away."Jan 16 15:21
schestowitzTurns out that IBM VPs would censor comments that don't agree with their doctrine... shame on Sutor.Jan 16 15:30
trmancohttp://groups.google.com/group/24...Jan 16 15:39
schestowitzCould be for many reasons...Jan 16 15:42
schestowitz"WinXP freezes within a couple of minutes after boot up.  Big fan on processor spins at 3,600 rpm and then revs up to 4,600 rpm... CPU (Pentium D 2.66 Ghz) temp remains at 68-69C.  What is causing the fan to rev up and down so much non-stop.  And if the CPU temps are normal, why is Windows freezing?" < D00fie?Jan 16 15:42
schestowitzSJVN's "Why Linux will crush Windows 7" --> 113 comments.. more than the usual 10 he getsJan 16 15:44
PeterKrausyeah royJan 16 15:45
schestowitzFanboy posts always cause lots of provocation, but they are children. Linux is tah best, Windows is the socks... discuss (again)Jan 16 15:45
PeterKrausthat's why i wanna do the reviewJan 16 15:45
PeterKrausthough to be honest, i looked trough my footageJan 16 15:46
PeterKrausand it's pretty boringJan 16 15:46
PeterKrausit's really very boring.Jan 16 15:46
schestowitzTeh colleagues leftJan 16 15:46
schestowitzWindows: buy now, lose your buddiesJan 16 15:46
PeterKrausit may turn out to a sitcom more than a review of a productJan 16 15:46
schestowitzHeheJan 16 15:46
PeterKrausthat's actually a good ideaJan 16 15:47
schestowitzMy friends like my extended dual-head with 3-D effectsJan 16 15:47
schestowitzSicomJan 16 15:47
schestowitzSitcom.. put it on YouTubeJan 16 15:47
PeterKrausschestowitz: dual headJan 16 15:47
schestowitzLike the guy with Vista and the shredder..Jan 16 15:47
PeterKrausoh i'm enviousJan 16 15:47
schestowitzCould get epic..Jan 16 15:47
PeterKrausand no, no youtubeJan 16 15:47
PeterKrausi'm strong flash opponentJan 16 15:47
schestowitzShredder video... seen that?Jan 16 15:47
PeterKrausyeahJan 16 15:48
schestowitzBlip.TV does Ogg tooJan 16 15:48
schestowitzI have an ideaJan 16 15:48
schestowitzLet's GIMP around with a lackage for Vista7Jan 16 15:48
PeterKrauslackage?Jan 16 15:48
schestowitzBefoe the real thing shows upJan 16 15:48
schestowitz*packageJan 16 15:48
PeterKrausahJan 16 15:48
PeterKraushmmJan 16 15:48
schestowitzI'll do one quickJan 16 15:48
PeterKraus:)Jan 16 15:48
schestowitzI love GIMPJan 16 15:49
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PeterKrausoh wellJan 16 15:52
PeterKrausi've got a boy for this term as a lab partnerJan 16 15:53
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schestowitzDone sloppily but there you go: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/...Jan 16 15:57
trmancololJan 16 15:59
trmancoGIMPed?Jan 16 15:59
schestowitzI wasn't motivated to spend much time on itJan 16 15:59
schestowitzYesJan 16 15:59
schestowitzI have better ones..Jan 16 15:59
trmancocoolJan 16 15:59
schestowitzI'd need to zoom and choose color, sharpness etc. property to make it blend wellJan 16 16:00
schestowitzIt's a matter of how much time is put into it.Jan 16 16:00
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content...Jan 16 16:00
PeterKrausi'm not very good at creating graphicsJan 16 16:00
schestowitzLet's do another one..Jan 16 16:02
schestowitzIt was fast and funJan 16 16:02
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte...Jan 16 16:11
PeterKrausedit the small onesJan 16 16:13
schestowitzWhere?Jan 16 16:13
MinceRniceJan 16 16:13
MinceRThis Looks Shopped, though.Jan 16 16:14
schestowitzI knowJan 16 16:14
schestowitzToo fastJan 16 16:14
schestowitzLook at them surrounded in that logo on screensJan 16 16:14
schestowitzLike some fuhrersJan 16 16:14
MinceR(nsfw) http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com...Jan 16 16:14
schestowitzfuhrers http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Ima...Jan 16 16:15
schestowitzWell, at least the Iraqi flag, unlike the Windows logo does, not look similar to a swastika...Jan 16 16:16
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twitterLiked that SJVN story about Windows 7 http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=vie...Jan 16 16:56
twitterAnything new over the last day or so?Jan 16 16:57
twitteralso like the Wiki.Jan 16 16:57
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twitterThere have been a slew of M$ layoff stories, probably started by a Wall Street Journal story on Wednesday.Jan 16 17:04
moogstrapI saw a few of thoseJan 16 17:05
twitterThe truth will probably come out tonight, after the markets close.Jan 16 17:06
twitterBad news always flows on Friday night.Jan 16 17:06
moogstrapmy reader is choking under the weight of the "win7 will kill linux" and "my laptop can't install word!" falloutJan 16 17:06
moogstrapi'll watch out for that thenJan 16 17:06
moogstraphttp://www.komonews.com/news/t... "Microsoft isn't talking, but analysts are. " hurrJan 16 17:09
twitterthe WSJ story seems to have trickled in through the Times of London http://74.125.95.132/search?q=ca...Jan 16 17:11
moogstrapthat story did the rounds in most of the british papersJan 16 17:14
schestowitztwitter: thanks.Jan 16 17:17
schestowitzWiki is work in progressJan 16 17:17
schestowitzSo BN posts have been slow to come.Jan 16 17:17
schestowitzMS layoffs might be announced todayJan 16 17:18
schestowitzResults due on Tuesday IIRC, so either it happens at the same time or just beforeJan 16 17:18
schestowitzIntel's profit down NINETY percepotJan 16 17:18
schestowitz*percentJan 16 17:18
schestowitzDon't publice the wiki yet... lots more work is needed before it's even presentable. Also need a mechanism to keep vandals outJan 16 17:19
moogstrapwiki?Jan 16 17:22
schestowitzYes.Jan 16 17:24
schestowitzIt's still a mess.. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php...Jan 16 17:24
moogstrapah.Jan 16 17:28
moogstrapwill there be editorial content?Jan 16 17:29
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schestowitzYesJan 16 17:32
kevin__this is unacceptable: http://digg.com/linux_unixJan 16 17:32
schestowitzI'll need to organise data thereJan 16 17:32
schestowitzWith help from othersJan 16 17:32
*schestowitz looks at Digg (mess since 2007)Jan 16 17:32
kevin__woops i copied the wrong link :)Jan 16 17:33
schestowitzHehe.Jan 16 17:33
kevin__it's the updated story about that girlJan 16 17:33
schestowitzIt's bad layout, right?Jan 16 17:33
schestowitzTry the URL you postedJan 16 17:33
schestowitzDigg is a mess in FF2Jan 16 17:33
kevin__that tv station paints ubuntu users as harassing herJan 16 17:34
kevin__they have no idea who uses ubuntuJan 16 17:34
moogstrapdidn't the follow-up story had the writer guy saying he would install ubuntu?Jan 16 17:34
schestowitzI know.Jan 16 17:34
schestowitzThat's Digg messJan 16 17:34
schestowitzAnd /.Jan 16 17:35
kevin__here it is: http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.a...Jan 16 17:35
kevin__i'm sure many users would be willing to help for freeJan 16 17:35
schestowitzSure.Jan 16 17:37
moogstraphttp://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/conten... Several Linux users also contacted the station basically trying to see if they could help the girl fix her problemsJan 16 17:37
schestowitzBut these are provocative things.Jan 16 17:37
schestowitzLike SlashdotJan 16 17:37
trmancothey gave more information about it in that article that should have been written in the first articleJan 16 17:37
schestowitzOne could accuse BN of the same, but it's not anti-FOSSJan 16 17:37
schestowitzThese things are intended to draw in angry or emotional Linux usersJan 16 17:37
ushimitsudokiOpen Source blamed in Windows worm surge? "It's obvious that worm writers are abusing open-source tools to their advantage to make their work easier," Chen added. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?c...Jan 16 17:38
schestowitzTGDaily - EnderleJan 16 17:38
schestowitzI don't touch that siteJan 16 17:38
schestowitzIt's tainted by at least one MS moleJan 16 17:38
schestowitzushimitsudoki: classic FUDJan 16 17:39
schestowitzMcAfee tried this FUD in 2006Jan 16 17:39
schestowitzMcAfee is almost for sure a GPL violator BTWJan 16 17:39
schestowitzLike VMwarewJan 16 17:39
moogstrapushimitsudoki: sheesh. they don't even try to hide it, do they?Jan 16 17:42
schestowitzushimitsudoki: do you have any tagging for Comes docs?Jan 16 17:43
ushimitsudokiyeah. I'm not sure if it the guy Chen, or the site's selective quoting or bothJan 16 17:43
ushimitsudokischestowitz: tagging?Jan 16 17:43
schestowitzSome mapping of docs?Jan 16 17:43
ushimitsudokiah, no I probably should have - I literally scanned or read every single one - but I was just pulling out quotesJan 16 17:44
ushimitsudokiI don't think my brain could handle going through them a second timeJan 16 17:44
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kevin__will bad things happen to me if i install a debian package on ubuntu? :)Jan 16 17:51
ushimitsudokino should be fineJan 16 17:51
schestowitzushimitsudoki: I have your page bookmarked in placesJan 16 17:51
moogstrapkevin: most of the time it works out all rightJan 16 17:51
schestowitzI'll use it to quick-spot smoking gunsJan 16 17:51
ushimitsudokischestowitz: cool! appreciatedJan 16 17:51
schestowitzI know another person who has some annotation for them.Jan 16 17:52
kevin__'s js a dgn gn, n a kene, s  sdn' be  skJan 16 17:52
schestowitzAnd other people help too.. Groklaw ran out of steam -- for nowJan 16 17:52
moogstraphttp://www.informationweek.com/news/w...  anti-virus for win7 available! hurrayJan 16 17:52
schestowitzUK.gov 'to create anti-net piracy agency' http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01...Jan 16 17:53
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kevin___wow that was weirdJan 16 17:53
schestowitzVista7 is as insecure of VistaJan 16 17:53
schestowitzIt's the same infrastruct.Jan 16 17:53
schestowitzNotice that they never talk about Vista7 security. Never.Jan 16 17:53
schestowitzBecause it's the same, i.e. it's bad. Already hijackable and receiving critical patchesJan 16 17:54
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schestowitzwb, PeterKraus Jan 16 17:54
moogstrapmore layoff news. now it's google's turn http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/biztech/goog...Jan 16 17:55
PetoKrausschestowitz: netgear is CRAPJan 16 17:55
schestowitzGoogle's is no newsJan 16 17:56
schestowitzit was foreseenJan 16 17:56
schestowitzLike Microsoft's really...Jan 16 17:56
schestowitzMS b loggers try to cushion the blow by blogging with spinJan 16 17:56
moogstrapyeah. having those two--presumably completely separate--articles put together looks fuddyJan 16 17:57
schestowitz.It's hilarious seeing how each one of them finds another 'damage control' angle.Jan 16 17:57
schestowitz""A Microsoft spokesman declined to comment on layoff rumors.Jan 16 17:58
schestowitzTranslation: we still think  of the least harmful way (and time) to unleash the newsJan 16 17:58
schestowitzNovell tossed out the redacted collusion docs JUST before Easter... probably no coincidence... Dana Blankenhorn wrote a headline about it... along the lines of "Novell made it look like a scandal"Jan 16 17:59
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schestowitz AMD confirms paycuts and layoffs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/455/... >Jan 16 18:02
schestowitzAutodesk's CEO jumped over to Yahoo! at a good time:  Autodesk to cut 750 jobs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new... >Jan 16 18:02
schestowitzWhat a cocky guy.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=syD4Z_1K09AJan 16 18:03
moogstrapthanks. I just got wkowrolledJan 16 18:06
schestowitzSecond Android handset delayed indefinitely < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/16/an... >Jan 16 18:07
moogstrapconficker reaches 9 million? is this new? http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.d...Jan 16 18:07
schestowitzYesJan 16 18:08
schestowitzIt was 2.5 mil yesterdayJan 16 18:08
schestowitz300 million or so are vulnerableJan 16 18:08
*PetoKraus has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))Jan 16 18:08
schestowitzThis could get messyJan 16 18:08
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moogstrapchrist. that was fastJan 16 18:09
schestowitzI wrote about that this morning.Jan 16 18:09
schestowitz2.5Jan 16 18:09
schestowitzAll in all, 40% of the world's (Windows) PCs are zombiesJan 16 18:09
schestowitzMostly unused nodes thoughJan 16 18:09
*PiKey has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))Jan 16 18:10
schestowitzWith unemployment, more of them will be harvested (credit cars details, SPAM, extortonware, etc.)Jan 16 18:10
moogstrapIt's disturbing that even now with all this the vast majority of windows users I know have no idea what a botnet is, let alone the 40% estimateJan 16 18:11
schestowitzDon't let any personal details be put on some Windows PC, not even a terminal or a family computer. I heard here in the UK about people warned that their bank details got stolen (or they find out that their account gets emptied).Jan 16 18:11
schestowitzI'm not even happy about the NHS putting people's personal record (mine included) on their Windows toys... people have probably stolen their DB already and it can be shared via torrent or whatever... even sold)Jan 16 18:12
schestowitzThere's a market for abuse, extortion and theft in leaked DBsJan 16 18:12
moogstrapwasn't there that news story a while back about banks refusing to help people whose accounts were hijacked because they had no AV software?Jan 16 18:12
schestowitzYesJan 16 18:12
schestowitzAV sw doesn't helJan 16 18:12
schestowitzThat's a stupid thing to suggestJan 16 18:13
schestowitzNot to mention that "being up to date" means nothing if you are poor or have a poor AV S/WJan 16 18:13
schestowitzThey should make specialised hardened live CDs the only way in,Jan 16 18:13
schestowitzIt's over: Circuit City goes titsup < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/16... >Jan 16 18:14
moogstrapouchJan 16 18:14
schestowitzMilitarization: Retired army generals: Spend Trident money on the army < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/16/ol... >Jan 16 18:15
schestowitzVoters specifically say that they don't want money to be spent on armament but the US govt (at the least) does not listen to requests from the public. Both parties have the same policies.Jan 16 18:16
schestowitzDangers of cloud: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/1...Jan 16 18:17
moogstrapI remember the "protect and survive" stuff they gave us at school. In year 9 they showed  us the film "Threads". gave me nightmares, uh, ever sinceJan 16 18:19
moogstrapfriends as a disposable commodity. interestingJan 16 18:19
schestowitzPeople cultivate friends 'portfolio' ;-)Jan 16 18:20
schestowitzPeople no longer touch or talks to one another.. you ought to see how many adults -- as you probably already know-- are concerned about thisJan 16 18:21
MinceRre 'friend': "you keep using that word. i don't think it means what you think it means."Jan 16 18:21
MinceR:)Jan 16 18:21
schestowitzFriends=binary conditionJan 16 18:21
schestowitzSome people declare their pet iguana a "friend"Jan 16 18:22
schestowitzSome people talk to their dog... like real complex talks.. pets listenJan 16 18:22
moogstrapit's a bit odd. I have 49 friend requests on facebook. old classmates, ex-colleagues. I don't think I even know 49 people. I certainly wouldn't label any of them as friendsJan 16 18:23

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