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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 21st, 2009 - Part 2

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schestowitzbuilding the public domain < http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/nesson/... >Jan 21 13:17
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/20... (Akamai Sees Record Traffic During Inauguration)Jan 21 13:32
schestowitzWindows worm trickery for Vista < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tech... >Jan 21 13:39
schestowitzShock! The MSBBS calls a "computer" "Windows" and "Vista" for a change.Jan 21 13:39
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi... "Mr McKinnon's legal team have asked the DPP to charge him under UK law, rather than extraditing him to the US."Jan 21 13:41
schestowitzWhen will Big Criminals like Carl Icahn be arrested rather than a Perl hacker who was curious but not so harmful?Jan 21 13:42
schestowitz"Cellular-infrastructure manufacturer Ericsson will lay off 5,000 in a bid to cut costs, ahead of the expected reduction in spending from telcos over the next few years." < http://www.theregister.co.uk/... >Jan 21 13:53
schestowitzLogitech too: The firm will now cut up to 600 jobs, rather than the 525 earlier predicted. < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01... >Jan 21 13:54
*schestowitz uses a Logitech mouse.Jan 21 13:54
*MinceR uses logitech mice, tooJan 21 13:56
schestowitzGratis trap...  Free software is answer to small businesses woes < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/526/... > YAY! Free crack-cocaine.Jan 21 13:57
schestowitzTARP II: Money for Banks, Not Homeowners < http://www.truthout.org/011909A > "But, as is the case with many Washington policies, this money is also going to end up in the bankers' pockets. The basic deal is simple. More than ten million homeowners are underwater, owing more than the market value of their home. Millions of these homeowners have fallen behind on their mortgages and now face foreclosure."Jan 21 14:06
schestowitzYeah... as Beranger says, "The USA is the greatest nation under the sun..."Jan 21 14:07
schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-... " Obama's choice for Attorney General supports Bush's formerly-illegal surveillance. Obama has never said he would try to restore the rights that Bush took away from us. Unless he does this, or tries his best, I will not support him. "Jan 21 14:08
trmancoSymbol Last Time(ET) Change %Change VolumeJan 21 14:15
trmancoMSFT 18.48  4:00PM -1.23 -6.24% 89891855Jan 21 14:15
schestowitzSo much for Free software from Sun.. cloud lockin.. Sun eyes cloudware position < http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0... >Jan 21 14:15
schestowitztrmanco: the whole market sankJan 21 14:15
schestowitzhttp://finance.yahoo.com/intli...Jan 21 14:15
trmancooh yeah, I haven't noticedJan 21 14:16
schestowitzIt's a US-only thing.Jan 21 14:16
schestowitzObama?Jan 21 14:16
trmancoNot reallyJan 21 14:17
trmancoat least 2 portuguese stock went downJan 21 14:17
trmancostocks*Jan 21 14:18
schestowitz2 stocks?Jan 21 14:20
schestowitzHow many are there?Jan 21 14:20
schestowitzMaybe they will go up if you enable AcftiveX and press F5 to reload the page :-DJan 21 14:21
trmancothe stock price of at least two portuguese companies went down too :-PJan 21 14:21
schestowitzBut how many companies are there?Jan 21 14:22
schestowitz*Publicly tradedJan 21 14:22
trmancodon't knowJan 21 14:22
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schestowitzReader says: "I guess it just bothers me when the trolls are so eager to attack you that they don't even bother to read what you wrote.  They just assume bad faith, which makes them ineffective and no better than what they claim you are.  Another example of a troll is G. Michaels."Jan 21 14:43
schestowitz"Everything he writes rests on the assumption of bad faith and his supposed superiority.  If I weren't so sickened, I'd laugh.  There are a couple of mitigating factors here.  At least, I didn't mention the troll to whom I was responding by name and these trolls aren't FLOSS advocates, which would make the cause look bad by association."Jan 21 14:43
trmancohttp://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?si...Jan 21 15:29
schestowitzHahaJan 21 15:32
schestowitzSolaris->LinuxJan 21 15:32
schestowitzAkamaiJan 21 15:33
trmancoIt still runs windowsJan 21 15:33
trmancoAccording to the [whitehouse.gov] website headers:Jan 21 15:34
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schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/21/...Jan 21 15:39
schestowitzUpdatesdJan 21 15:40
trmancothat info I got from diggJan 21 15:41
trmancobut I can now really confirm that is still runs WindowsJan 21 15:41
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schestowitzThanks.Jan 21 15:42
trmanconpJan 21 15:42
trmancoI don't know what happened with netcraft on this oneJan 21 15:42
schestowitzThe racists won't be happy with someone who's not White in the WhitehouseJan 21 15:43
trmancowell, I guess Obama is "their boss" nowJan 21 15:43
trmancoso they have to like him, or they can just leave, and continue on living their life as they want with no conflictsJan 21 15:44
trmanconuce update :)Jan 21 15:46
trmanconice*Jan 21 15:46
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schestowitzwb, balzac Jan 21 16:31
balzacThanks RoyJan 21 16:37
schestowitzI'm working on a doc you wanna see...Jan 21 16:44
schestowitzI'm actually htmlifying itJan 21 16:45
schestowitzOK, updated: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/21/c...Jan 21 16:50
schestowitzReader: "[T]the BayStar deal was one of the stupidest things Microsoft has done, don't you think?  How could they have possibly believed that it would never be found out, especially when they stiffed Goldfarb and left him holding the bag?  It's astounding."Jan 21 16:54
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schestowitzhttp://digg.com/linux_unix/Is_it_GN... "If you are going to give credit where credit it due the best name would be the "GLX operating system""Jan 21 17:16
schestowitz"X-For X Windows, what makes having a GUI in "Linux" possible"Jan 21 17:16
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TallkenLink for the day: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/01/... "How cool is that? Scott, being asked by the incoming administration, ON THEIR FIRST DAY IN OFFICE, to discuss the benefits of FOSS and Open Standards for Government use."Jan 21 17:21
schestowitzThanks.Jan 21 17:24
schestowitzThey asked the wrong personJan 21 17:24
schestowitzThey should have asked Jonathan SchwartzJan 21 17:24
Tallkenbetter than nothing thoughJan 21 17:25
schestowitzOr Silver LieJan 21 17:26
Tallken:pJan 21 17:40
schestowitzI can't find a pic of Seven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_BundyJan 21 17:40
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marr...Jan 21 17:41
schestowitzGoogle Kills Print Ads Program < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158026/goog... >Jan 21 17:54
schestowitzMinceR: how can this be?!?Jan 21 17:54
schestowitzIBM Posts Strong Q4 Profits, No Layoffs Announced < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158015/ibm_posts_s... > MS is up next.. probably a promise to cut workforceJan 21 17:57
schestowitzGood for YouTube: UK Kids Prefer Computers to TVs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15801... >Jan 21 17:58
schestowitz"A payment processor responsible for handling about 100 million credit card transactions every month disclosed today that thieves had used malicious software in its network in 2008 to steal an unknown number of credit card numbers." < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158003/... >Jan 21 18:00
MinceRdunnoJan 21 18:06
schestowitzMore evidence of Microsoft as a criminal political movement: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/1...Jan 21 18:07
schestowitzThis a dangerous cult that needs to be dismantled, but I doubt Obama is up to the task.Jan 21 18:08
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PetoKrausthis is bullshite reallyJan 21 18:19
PetoKrausnot one sane appJan 21 18:19
PetoKrauswith reasonable periodic tableJan 21 18:20
PetoKraus!!! how am i supposed to work?!?Jan 21 18:20
trmancomicrosoft bribed again http://searchengineland.com/microsoft...Jan 21 18:20
trmancobribes *Jan 21 18:20
schestowitz Computer virus hits fire service < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glas... >Jan 21 18:23
schestowitz"Strathclyde Fire and Rescue has said its IT network has "come under attack from a computer virus"."Jan 21 18:23
schestowitzLet house burn down when Mr. Bobby cleans up Registry and reinstalls the O/S.Jan 21 18:23
schestowitzPetoKraus: wine?Jan 21 18:24
schestowitzAlthough I'm sure there's stuff you miss. Linux has many good scientific appsJan 21 18:24
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trmancohttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Rumor-M...Jan 21 18:43
trmancohttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Open-Sourc...Jan 21 18:44
schestowitzHad Microsoft not "f* killed" everything in industry, maybe there would be trust in AZUNE[sic]Jan 21 18:48
MinceRKing Azoun V?Jan 21 18:54
schestowitzNo king, usher...Jan 21 18:56
schestowitz"Apple reportedly faces a review by US regulators to ensure investors weren’t misled by the firm’s disclosure regarding boss Steve Jobs’ health problems." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/...Jan 21 19:01
trmancoschestowitz, did you do this? -> http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo...Jan 21 19:03
trmancoI wish I new RussianJan 21 19:08
trmancoknew*Jan 21 19:08
trmancohttp://spo.cnews.ru/news/top/index.sht...Jan 21 19:08
schestowitzRussian?Jan 21 19:08
trmancohttp://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/0...Jan 21 19:09
schestowitzOh, old news.Jan 21 19:09
trmancolets go to googlyJan 21 19:09
trmancoand translate the textJan 21 19:09
schestowitzI bet the Microsoft Mafia is already 'lobbying' the Russian diplomats behind the scenes.. maybe an EDGIJan 21 19:10
schestowitzThe Microsoft Mafia makes the Russian one look like puppies.Jan 21 19:10
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20...Jan 21 19:10
schestowitzDon Ballmerski wants to "f*kill* Google by corrupting politicians. His wife too put money in Obama's pocket last month.Jan 21 19:12
trmancoMicrosoft to *try* and destroy Google?Jan 21 19:12
trmancolet me laughJan 21 19:12
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trmancothey are going to use their stupid *monopolist powers* and get them selves sued again in the EUJan 21 19:13
schestowitzThey bark at the EU commissionJan 21 19:14
schestowitzThey smear Neelie for example.Jan 21 19:14
schestowitzFailing that, maybe they'll send the special forces to 'liberate' EuropeJan 21 19:14
trmancowhy does AT&T fear Google?Jan 21 19:15
trmancoI don't get their fearJan 21 19:15
schestowitzNet controlJan 21 19:16
schestowitzAT&T is presidential scum.. like Haliburton. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/0...Jan 21 19:17
trmancoI get it nowJan 21 19:19
trmancothanksJan 21 19:19
schestowitzWe've just made FP of Linux Today again..Jan 21 19:20
schestowitzThe Analysts Cartel series is very popularJan 21 19:20
schestowitzI have better ones coming up :-)Jan 21 19:21
schestowitzRalph Novell... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gVXs9cQnyNw Keeps creeping into YouTube... I track Novell videos..Jan 21 19:22
schestowitzMore MS BS: https://fossbazaar.org/content/lawrence...Jan 21 19:26
schestowitzWow! Intel boss Otellini warns of first loss in 21 years < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/... >. EVEN sheer crime did not save him.Jan 21 19:27
schestowitzHollywood, aka AmericanDream(R), feels the pinch too: http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology... (Time Warner's Warner Bros. cuts nearly 800 jobs)Jan 21 19:29
schestowitz"MANDERINS of the Glorious People's Republic of China are concerned that more adolescents are coming down with an addiction to the World Wide Wibble." < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... >Jan 21 19:30
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jose__schestowitz, from this morning http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2...Jan 21 19:33
jose__i'd really like the new white house to do the right thing and push for fossJan 21 19:34
trmancohttp://arstechnica.com/news...Jan 21 19:35
trmancoMicrosoft Sells Off Comcast Stake : http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/o...Jan 21 19:38
schestowitzjose__: I hope soJan 21 19:45
schestowitzMicrosoft will be able to come in and twit "we're open source too"Jan 21 19:45
schestowitztrmanco: thanks, seen it.Jan 21 19:45
schestowitzI wrote about ComcastsoftJan 21 19:45
jose__yeah, i'm watching the video (stomach churns) of some msft dev guy talking to foss guys.. see lt frontpageJan 21 19:46
schestowitzThey are throttling some more now, breaking the lawJan 21 19:46
schestowitzjose__: I put it here in IRC a moment before you cameJan 21 19:46
jose__"interop" is future, everyone has proprietary and foss/mixed; we have sinned in past; ...Jan 21 19:46
MinceRso who will quote "open source is an intellectual property destroyer, blah blah blah" for them when they say that? :>Jan 21 19:47
trmancohttp://www.istockanalyst.com/art...Jan 21 19:48
jose__we have sinned.. to forgive is divine.. blahJan 21 19:48
jose__one comment reminded me of something...Jan 21 19:50
jose__only speak good about microsoft.. how?Jan 21 19:50
schestowitzjose__: no worriesJan 21 19:50
jose__by having speakers that "don't have information" on wrongdoing detailsJan 21 19:50
jose__no commentJan 21 19:51
schestowitzI have enough antitrust maaterial to show people what Mcirosoft really isJan 21 19:51
schestowitzI'm doing a 2006 smoking gun right nowJan 21 19:51
schestowitzThese are gangstersJan 21 19:51
schestowitzAnti-Linux teamJan 21 19:51
schestowitzjose__: calssic thatJan 21 19:51
jose__why does microsoft bother to put on the guise?Jan 21 19:51
jose__desperationJan 21 19:51
schestowitzLike sending non-technical people to OOXML meetupsJan 21 19:51
schestowitz"OOXML sucks..."Jan 21 19:52
jose__allchin .. scox.. etc, right?Jan 21 19:52
schestowitzMS rep: "I don't understand... look.. it's a nice pile of paper, no? Look at the page layout."Jan 21 19:52
schestowitzjose__: no, something newerJan 21 19:52
jose__i wonder if/when/ and how many plants microsoft takes to their foss confrontations (speakers probably don't know)Jan 21 19:54
jose__hey, that foss guy thinks this.... and that....Jan 21 19:55
jose__actually, people that give microsoft the time of day likely have "job and $$" on their mindsJan 21 19:56
jose__[obviously i'm generalizing, btw]Jan 21 19:57
schestowitzjose__: wait until the next postJan 21 20:00
schestowitzI can't counter their punch bags, aka Straw menJan 21 20:01
schestowitzThey put lackeys like Ramji to avoid having those who know the truth confront the criminals directly.Jan 21 20:01
schestowitzE.g. Gates, Ballmer, Allchin, Sinofsky, Silverberg..Jan 21 20:01
schestowitzThe least *I* (and *we*) can do is show people their crimesJan 21 20:02
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jose__roy, btw, that gnome to mono progression graphic was cleverJan 21 20:17
jose__hope it's not true thoughJan 21 20:17
schestowitz*ping* tessierJan 21 20:22
schestowitzjose__: it's not true because of pressureJan 21 20:22
schestowitzHad there not been awareness, it probably would slip in as a depJan 21 20:22
jose__it's still cleverJan 21 20:23
schestowitzThanks.Jan 21 20:23
schestowitzI thought about it last nigth while in IRCJan 21 20:23
schestowitzYou'll see the log tomorrow if you're curiousJan 21 20:23
schestowitzjose__: tell me when to post about API patentsJan 21 20:52
jose__first i'll write up an introJan 21 20:54
jose__there are some items to cover.. like who am i and why am i writing thisJan 21 20:54
jose__who can do this.. and mention some ms specifics maybe..including sample of their patentsJan 21 20:54
jose__also, i may rewrite the other two slightly to add continuity/fluidity among the various partsJan 21 20:55
jose__i won't add much but i do want to add some thingsJan 21 20:56
jose__again: if i don't get back to you, just link up or post whatever you likeJan 21 20:56
jose__say.. within a week.Jan 21 20:56
schestowitzYou have lots to resueJan 21 20:57
schestowitz*reuseJan 21 20:57
schestowitzThanks.Jan 21 20:57
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balzac_Hello again RoyJan 21 21:10
balzac_In case you didn't know, I'm Paul Gaskin, you sometimes see my comments on boycottnovell.comJan 21 21:11
balzac_I've also written a recent editorial on FreeSoftwareMagazine.com, and I also comment and post as Balzac on FSDaily.comJan 21 21:11
schestowitzhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?344655 "Barack Obama is a con-artist, much like Miguel De Icaza and the rest of the Novell team, and shouldnt be president. gNewSense is my distro not OpenSellout Linux or Red Nap."Jan 21 21:11
schestowitzbalzac: Oh, I seee.......Jan 21 21:12
schestowitzYes, I knew you wrote in FSMJan 21 21:12
balzac_schestowitz: whose quote is that from OSnews?Jan 21 21:12
schestowitzFollow the linksJan 21 21:12
schestowitzIt came up in Google News.Jan 21 21:12
balzac_I got an error retrieving the story the response was toJan 21 21:13
balzac_I just wondered who wrote the original bit about Barack and MiguelJan 21 21:14
balzac_BTW, did you see how much the show-cased the Microsoft image processing technology on CNN?Jan 21 21:14
schestowitzProbably some JoeAnonymousJan 21 21:16
schestowitzI read about that.. the image stuff.. they use it like a football matchJan 21 21:16
schestowitzI didn't watch the 'match' not just because of resentment though; President... brought to you by {company list} , we'll be back after a word from our sponsorJan 21 21:17
schestowitzI liked the post I saw somewhere about millions homeless in the US while Mr. Obama throws a $170 million bash.Jan 21 21:17
balzac_I'm not concerned yet about Obama. I'm just hoping Eric Holder will go after Bush & Cheney on torture and constitutional violations.Jan 21 21:18
balzac_The only advantage M$ has now is their exclusive relationships with hardware manufacturers.Jan 21 21:19
balzac_Obama can't possibly be more friendly to M$ than Bush was.Jan 21 21:19
schestowitzI now remember that it's you who defended RMS.. http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/po...Jan 21 21:19
schestowitzWho is Obama?Jan 21 21:20
balzac_yeah, I felt it was important to call out Linus Torvalds on that particularly sneaky attack on RMS>Jan 21 21:20
schestowitzWhy is it that people characterse the new govt as one man that the PR industry groomed?Jan 21 21:20
schestowitzObama is like the stick shift in a carJan 21 21:20
schestowitzThe engine does a lot more, but it's not visible.Jan 21 21:21
schestowitzI'm going to puke watching Novell news...Jan 21 21:21
schestowitzMissiahcaza is all over with the news of him and his MS buddies 'saving' the 'poor' Linux users who the "president doesn't give a c* about"Jan 21 21:22
balzac_I just don't care much anymore. I'll keep pressuring for Bush's prosecution. I'll keep pressuring for decriminalization of prostitution, drugs, mandate free software for public institutions, etc.Jan 21 21:25
balzac_I'm just tired of spinning my wheels, so I'll throw out my opinions, but nowadays I'm wondering how I can get my slice of the pie (in accordance with my principles and ethics).Jan 21 21:26
balzac_I'm mean I'm not going to stop sharing my opinions in the public forums, but I'm not going to let it consume me while by bank account is collecting dust and cobwebs.Jan 21 21:27
balzac_I think that's whats missing from the GNU scene - ambitious entrepreneurs who want to go forth under a strictly free software approach, not mixed source.Jan 21 21:27
schestowitzBut wait..Jan 21 21:28
schestowitzThe way the system is constructed is to reward for obedience.Jan 21 21:28
balzac_Yeah, but there are ways around it.Jan 21 21:28
schestowitzIOW, those who are tolls are allowed to make a living and a few cheaters mange to become exploiter (it helps when dad, for example, is a well-known Seattle lawyer with Abramoff connection)Jan 21 21:29
balzac_Roy, with your industry knowledge, you ought to be a very highly compensated consultant in addition to being a free software advocate and M$ whistle-blower.Jan 21 21:29
schestowitz*tolls->toolsJan 21 21:29
schestowitzbalzac: I was offered jobs, but that would reduce my outputJan 21 21:29
balzac_You can do good and do well at the same time.Jan 21 21:29
schestowitzNice proverbJan 21 21:30
schestowitzBut that implies that doing well means making wealthJan 21 21:30
balzac_Right, well I value your work on boycottnovell very highly.Jan 21 21:30
schestowitzI'll carry on for quite some timeJan 21 21:30
balzac_I won't be quitting eitherJan 21 21:30
schestowitzThere are fallbacks. Shane for example would carry on if I lose steam.Jan 21 21:30
schestowitzI set up a Wiki where others are helpingJan 21 21:31
schestowitzSo we can process evidence of crime more rapidlyJan 21 21:31
balzac_Let me tell you, if you weren't doing what you do, there'd be a lot more ignorance of Microsoft's strategy to rip us all off.Jan 21 21:31
schestowitzWatch tomorrow's dynamiteJan 21 21:31
balzac_They're trying to subjugate us all to their new patent taxation scheme.Jan 21 21:31
schestowitzMicrosoft.. yes.Jan 21 21:32
balzac_But I think others should perhaps take up more of the slack of blowing the cover of M$, and you possibly ought to be looking at brokering big software deals.Jan 21 21:32
schestowitzBut they tell other stories.Jan 21 21:32
schestowitz"We changed"Jan 21 21:32
schestowitz"Ballmer is just the bad cop"Jan 21 21:33
schestowitz"Gates is charitable"Jan 21 21:33
schestowitzetc etcJan 21 21:33
schestowitzBTW, since you mention occupation, I'd rather do research, not consultingJan 21 21:33
schestowitzI didn't do a PhD to just walk around in a suit and pretend to know stuff.Jan 21 21:33
balzac_The way I see it, I'm pushing RedHat as opposed to Novell for the enterprise OS. RH enterprise is mixed source, but it's good to work against Novell and make money on commission for an enterprise RedHat deployment.Jan 21 21:33
balzac_okJan 21 21:34
schestowitzI'm pretty quualified at digesting input and then producing summariesJan 21 21:34
balzac_well, you are uniquely qualified for consulting as well as research.Jan 21 21:34
schestowitzRed Hat can be replaces with centosJan 21 21:34
schestowitzThere's sturation in many industriesJan 21 21:34
balzac_Yeah but you need that big corporate support backing up the deploymentJan 21 21:34
schestowitzI don't want to drop names, but some people whom I speak to present themselves as consultant but get very little businessJan 21 21:35
balzac_The point is to take market-share from Novell and profit from doing it.Jan 21 21:35
schestowitzSame in every sector... waiters, reporters...Jan 21 21:35
balzac_Microsoft/Novell deserves to fail, and those of us who work to bring that about deserve to benefit from it.Jan 21 21:35
schestowitzThe ones gaining from what I do probably include Red Hat or Ubuntu, but I won't corrupt myself by talking to themJan 21 21:35
schestowitzAutonomy is better for my credibilityJan 21 21:36
schestowitzLook at PJ-IBM fabricationsJan 21 21:36
balzac_Well, I'm working as a developer, but I'm not under-selling myself because I think I'm a great consultant for helping the enterprise make the right choices for big software deployments.Jan 21 21:36
balzac_Well, your credibility is not in doubt among those who know.Jan 21 21:36
balzac_You've presented so many scoops.Jan 21 21:37
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balzac_I'm not a RedHat guy, per se, but I'm ready to push RedHat at the expense of Novell.Jan 21 21:37
balzac_Anyway, that's my two cents for now.Jan 21 21:37
schestowitzJust RHAT?Jan 21 21:37
balzac_I need to get back to work bro.Jan 21 21:37
schestowitzRHTJan 21 21:37
balzac_Ubuntu as wellJan 21 21:37
schestowitzIBM wants to prevent Red Hat from being powerfulJan 21 21:38
balzac_ultimately, gnewsense is what I'm looking to run for myselfJan 21 21:38
schestowitzIBM is its own pile of rubbish but for other reasonsJan 21 21:38
balzac_Lack of common sense is the reasonJan 21 21:40
balzac_That's why I feel I could make a killing with just a little help from my friends and an angel investor.Jan 21 21:40
schestowitzThere's hope for ChangeJan 21 21:41
schestowitzThe US, as much as I fear, is going downJan 21 21:41
schestowitzI have lots of family there, so I'm not anti-AmericaJan 21 21:41
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schestowitzTheir government is an embarrassment thoughJan 21 21:41
balzac_Anyway, I'm taking one step at a time, because with or without the support from any investor, I'm committed to demonstrating the profitability of 100% free software.Jan 21 21:41
schestowitzPeople in the US are loathed for Cheney's dreams of grandeur and oilJan 21 21:41
schestowitzAnd this has gone on since WW2 really.. occupation and suppression in foreign affairsJan 21 21:42
schestowitzIssue is....Jan 21 21:42
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schestowitzIf the US goes down, EU will suffer tooJan 21 21:42
schestowitzThis leaves China..Jan 21 21:42
balzac_roy, there's definitely trouble ahead, but all I can do for social causes now is to cheer-lead prosecution for Bush and cronies, while focusing on financial success for myself.Jan 21 21:42
schestowitzAnd China is WORSEJan 21 21:42
balzac_This trouble ahead could be very good for free software.Jan 21 21:42
balzac_Look at the upside of things.Jan 21 21:42
schestowitzbalzac: prosecution will be good for the USJan 21 21:42
schestowitzLike street demonstration vs warJan 21 21:43
balzac_Microsoft could be due for a major enron-style accounting collapse ala EnronJan 21 21:43
schestowitzEU residents will say, "look, Americans don't actually support the war crimes"Jan 21 21:43
schestowitzMoreover, they manage to get past the media blitz/propaganda, which is HARDJan 21 21:43
balzac_the scoops you've published on Microsoft's financial troubles are very juicy.Jan 21 21:43
balzac_brbJan 21 21:43
schestowitzokJan 21 21:43
schestowitzRe: The Enron thing; I heard from journalists, but they are still too afraid to publish about it (libel risk... and Microsoft is a litigious bully)Jan 21 21:44
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?... "It is well known that MS pays for such things as shelf space and shelf advertising etc. If a company is actually making money to have thousands of units in stock sit on the shelf for a while that will eventually sell then they will do so."Jan 21 22:08
schestowitzI'm tempted now to post my next smoking gun prematurelyJan 21 22:09
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l... "Why does he have to belittle people below him. Granted I would not want to be a tester, but I am grateful for the job they do. Linus should take note of Obama and show a little humility Jan 21 22:10
schestowitzLinus gets what he deserves in these comments: http://linuxtoday.com/news_sto...Jan 21 22:11
schestowitzhttp://apcmag.com/linus_torvalds... ' Want to know what happens if you suggest a way to fix Linux that might solve a major difficulty, but also introduce new problems? To quote Linus Torvalds: " I laugh in your face!"'Jan 21 22:11
schestowitzIdiot. First the "masturbating monkeys", not this.... what is this guy doing? He's more of a "PR disaster" than some people label RMS...Jan 21 22:12
schestowitzAdding Wbar, Prism, and Gadgets to Ubuntu < http://www.deviceguru.com/adding-wbar-p... >Jan 21 22:12
schestowitz"That quote is bound to bring out the naysayers - and rightfully so since it contradicts McNealy's "free like a puppy" perspective - but the idea that government institutions could reduce costs by collaborating and building on reference implementations is a more convincing argument." http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/01/...Jan 21 22:14
schestowitz"free like a puppy..."Jan 21 22:14
trmancohttp://www.itworld.com/open-source/61133/...Jan 21 22:14
trmancouh oh!Jan 21 22:14
schestowitzEeeJan 21 22:14
schestowitzThe author is being sillyJan 21 22:15
schestowitz"Microsoft for the first time is contributing code to an Apache open-source project, continuing the company's softening of its attitude toward open-source software and the community that supports it."Jan 21 22:15
schestowitzThat's IDG/IDCJan 21 22:15
schestowitzThey have to play a along with Microsoft " softening of its attitude toward open-source "Jan 21 22:15
schestowitzMind the dashJan 21 22:15
schestowitzopen-source... not Open SourceJan 21 22:15
schestowitzNot Free softwareJan 21 22:15
PetoKrausRoyJan 21 22:25
PetoKrausgood postJan 21 22:25
PetoKrausabout the virus at sheffieldJan 21 22:25
PetoKrausit made a nice touch to already pretty funny dayJan 21 22:25
schestowitzWas it funny. Heh. I though it was bound to sound grumpy.Jan 21 22:28
schestowitzMozilla is harvesting.. Mozilla Collects User Data for Usability Testing < Mozilla Collects User Data for Usability Testing >Jan 21 22:51
schestowitzOOps. URL: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/21/m...Jan 21 22:51
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... "Microsoft decision to kill its flagship $1bn investment in US cable-TV giant Comcast is a sign of strategic prioritization and financial necessity."Jan 21 22:57
schestowitz*LOL* "Microsoft software doesn't get released - it escapes, leaving a trail of destruction behind it."Jan 21 23:02
schestowitzhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/20/hp-mini-... "Though a Linux OS has been announced, so far all we've seen are options for XP and Vista materialize, but we'll keep our eyes peeled."Jan 21 23:08
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schestowitz"Kudos to my MP, Martin Linton, who has resigned as PPS to Lord Falconer over the FOI issue. Just received letter from him about expenses." http://twitter.com/glynmoody/s...Jan 21 23:24
MinceRgnJan 21 23:24
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schestowitzWow!!Jan 21 23:38
schestowitz3 Microsoft Vice Presidents are QUITTINGJan 21 23:39
schestowitzMicrosoft is crumbling from the inside.Jan 21 23:39
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schestowitz550 comments: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/12/no-layoffs-...Jan 21 23:56

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