| schestowitz | "is x reader for the y?" = x is not ready for y | Jan 21 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | "x will kill y" = y will cease to exist, so don't bet on it | Jan 21 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | "Obama chooses X" = X is hip | Jan 21 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | "all x is bad" = don't accuse any company, x, of y (be it security issues, crime, etc.) | Jan 21 00:01 |
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| moogstrap | it's so terribly fuddish. I mean, I switched because of Vista. Etch, supposedly a professionals-only distro to a lot of people (most of whom will never have used it). Sheesh, anyone could do it | Jan 21 00:02 |
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| moogstrap | I really get tired of all those articles about switching from product A to B. As if it'll give you emotional anguish and heartbreak and a life-changing epithany | Jan 21 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_st... "[This message has been sponsored with Microsoft money.] " | Jan 21 00:05 |
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| moogstrap | hahah | Jan 21 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Good post: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn... | Jan 21 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | LinuxToday is very aware of the Mono plague, unlike Lxer | Jan 21 00:07 |
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| moogstrap | I don't have them in my rss. I'll add them | Jan 21 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Who? | Jan 21 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Linux Today? | Jan 21 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | it has MS ads. | Jan 21 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | I'm no fan, but the picks from Carla are decent. | Jan 21 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder what Rubin's departure from Android Team means... http://www.pmptoday.com/2009/01/19/sciphone-... | Jan 21 00:12 |
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| moogstrap | yeah but, I mean I remember a site (can't remember the URL) that arranged political cartoons and editorials based on political bias. So the reader can happily go and read something they already agree with. I don't like that. I get a kick out reading childish rants and hilariously ill-formed opinion pieces in any newspaper. My rss is the same. The pro-MS stuff splurged all over the place is pretty fascinating | Jan 21 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | It's risky to feed it | Jan 21 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | I dislike it when Linux sites link to anti-Linux baitr | Jan 21 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | That gives it visibility and asks for more | Jan 21 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | PJ agrees with me on that... we just ignore Linux-hoctile stuff (like the "Linux killer" chant) | Jan 21 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | *hostile | Jan 21 00:14 |
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| moogstrap | ah | Jan 21 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | Thank you for the good link. | Jan 21 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | Here's another goodie with another goodie coming tomorrow. | Jan 21 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/20... | Jan 21 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | Jim Allchin: “We Feel a Huge Threat from Linux” | Jan 21 00:16 |
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| moogstrap | I suppose. I do notice the inevitable debates that follow are often completely futile. . The amount of effort that goes into them.I The worst offender for that is probably wikipedia, though | Jan 21 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 21 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | I like Wikipedia overall. | Jan 21 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | It commotised knowledge, despite all the wrinkles | Jan 21 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | *commoditised | Jan 21 00:17 |
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| moogstrap | when was the last time you used any other encyclopaedia? | Jan 21 00:17 |
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| moogstrap | yeah I saw that. It's amazing to see those guys discussing Linux in that way | Jan 21 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | MS will try EDGI in VT: http://www.infopackets.com/news/government/... (Vietnam State Agencies To Be 100% Open Source by 2010) | Jan 21 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Be ready for some MOU or some big deal with Ballmer shaking some hands... with amazing discounts or something | Jan 21 00:19 |
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| moogstrap | remember when the record execs said nobody would want MP3s? Lossy, no record sleeve to oogle etc. The same was said about VHS and all that went before. WIkipedia is the same. The information might be erroneous, but ut it's a hell of a lot easier and accessible, just like MP3s | Jan 21 00:19 |
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| moogstrap | yeah I'll be watching that. Catastrophic failures, if there any, will be forced | Jan 21 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | Tomorrow I will post: Jim Allchin (2002): “There’s Going to Be a Patent Lawsuit on Linux” (Analysts Cartel Part V) | Jan 21 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | A nice girl from Arizona take a look before I post the bigger ones... spotting typos voluntarily... really nice of her. | Jan 21 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | *takes | Jan 21 00:24 |
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| moogstrap | on a vaguely related note, does it ever bother you that so many native English-speakers are so, well, illiterate? I | Jan 21 00:26 |
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| moogstrap | maybe it's the company I keep. Who knows | Jan 21 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | What's troublesome is the number of people who are uni-ligual (yest complain about other people's improper English) | Jan 21 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | *lingual (yet | Jan 21 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Try this page with JS disabled and see what happens: http://www.edn.com/blog/920000692/post/... Those people who are attacking people's right to no-JS (privacy) are a real menace | Jan 21 00:30 |
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| moogstrap | just as an example, one of the Filipino guys I worked with once used to give me spelling tests. Because, he told me, that so many British people he met couldn't spell. It was a source of humour for him | Jan 21 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find something. | Jan 21 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi... | Jan 21 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | I found it in Beanger's blog. He scored about 85, IIRC. | Jan 21 00:32 |
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| moogstrap | you got 94 eh? Let's see how badly I do | Jan 21 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | I could do better | Jan 21 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | A second pass through my answer would correct these | Jan 21 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Except 3 or 4 | Jan 21 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Oh god... | Jan 21 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Paul Ryan is again sucking up to Miguel.. | Jan 21 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090120-ob... | Jan 21 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | *Ryan Paul, not Paul Ryan | Jan 21 00:35 |
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| moogstrap | A lot of these are past-tense vs past-participle questions. They can be deadly | Jan 21 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they are | Jan 21 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | I did it impatiently cause I knew I'd beat Beranger | Jan 21 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090120-obama... | Jan 21 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&... | Jan 21 00:37 |
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| moogstrap | hrmm. This whole idea of linux having to play catch up has to die already. | Jan 21 00:37 |
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| tessier_ | Linux has been around longer than any version of Windows at this point. | Jan 21 00:38 |
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| tessier_ | It's Windows that needs to play catchup. | Jan 21 00:38 |
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| tessier_ | Linux got the virus/worm thing figured out a long time ago. Windows still hasn't. | Jan 21 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: UNIX did :-) | Jan 21 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Linux followed the good principles model | Jan 21 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | *pled | Jan 21 00:39 |
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| tessier_ | True | Jan 21 00:40 |
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| tessier_ | Remind people that the first (and only) headline making Linux/Unix worm was the Morris worm back in the 80's. | Jan 21 00:40 |
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| tessier_ | People do actually bother to target it. There was even a MySQL running on Windows worm going around a few years ago. It's not market share that people go after. It's easy targets. | Jan 21 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | At Microsoft, security was an afterthought, which means (b/w)compatibility nightmare : http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/... | Jan 21 00:41 |
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| tessier_ | And Windows is the easy target. There hasn't been another worm that went anywhere since the Morris worm. | Jan 21 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: replicability too. | Jan 21 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's hard to pass/infect from a Linux user account . | Jan 21 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | DDOS and spam are another issue. | Jan 21 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | Weird new comment from "Old Novell employee": "As a past Novell employee I was told to post to these sites in defense of Novell and it was driven by my boss at then Novell. Yes you are correct in saying it is a dictate to employees at Novell by management to act this way." http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/novell-... | Jan 21 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | Posting from Texas | Jan 21 00:43 |
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| tessier_ | Interesting. That's a keeper. | Jan 21 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Can it be seen as real? | Jan 21 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | I reckoned it was tongue in cheek.. | Jan 21 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Oh oh!! I'm using a PC... a Linux PC... Downadup virus exposes millions of PCs to hijack < Downadup virus exposes millions of PCs to hijack > | Jan 21 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | URL: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/ptech/... | Jan 21 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | "He said his company had reverse-engineered its program, which they suspected of originating in Ukraine, and is using the call-back mechanism to monitor an exponential infection rate, despite Microsoft's issuing of a patch to fix the bug." | Jan 21 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | "The Downadup or Conficker worm exploits a bug in Microsoft Windows to infect mainly corporate networks, where -- although it has yet to cause any harm -- it potentially exposes infected PCs to hijack." Okay......... but a better headline (like the MSBBC's) might be needed | Jan 21 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Nice photo: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/w... | Jan 21 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/... "Andrew Tridgell, founder of the Samba project and a major FOSS luminary, did not speak about this subject; rather he focused on the way Microsoft manouevred the OOXML standard through the International Standards Organisation last year, using means which are widely acknowledged as being non-kosher." | Jan 21 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Tridgell said Microsoft had subverted the entire standards process by ramming the OOXML standard through and the company should make reparations, including an apology. | Jan 21 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | I hope IBM isn't pulling more people from OOo to their proprietary fork(ish) of it: http://lodahl.blogspot.com/2009/01/lo... | Jan 21 00:53 |
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| moogstrap | hrmm. 93. I fail at my mother tongue | Jan 21 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | Truth be said: Lotus is proprietary | Jan 21 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | They just make the platform a commodity | Jan 21 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | With prop' extensions like Lotus* | Jan 21 00:57 |
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| moogstrap | eh? "It takes ____ to learn any language." My answer: "a long time"; theirs: "long". Scandal!! | Jan 21 01:00 |
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| moogstrap | oh wait. I got it the other way round. Man I suck | Jan 21 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | AdamW is still insisting that Linux is not secure (et tu, Adam?): http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/0... | Jan 21 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | There are those cocky Oxfordshi[r|t]e-type Qs at the end, IIRC | Jan 21 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | Byfield ran out of material, so he writes about his PC and calls it "ideal": http://itmanagement.earthweb.com... | Jan 21 01:06 |
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| moogstrap | I don't think I have any non-repo stuff aside from firefox and thunderbird add-ons. | Jan 21 01:09 |
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| moogstrap | security is a part of the linux culture. You never see anybody complaining about Linux "UAC" | Jan 21 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/a... "It's not that I have anything against OO.o or Symphony. I'm [.. just an IBM employee who would rather use their proprietary fork that's well behind OOo]" | Jan 21 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | There's the assumption from him that people will click on RPMs and DEBs | Jan 21 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | Why would they if the repo is comprehensive | Jan 21 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | You just tell people to always fetch s/w from the repo | Jan 21 01:13 |
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| moogstrap | that's a big myth that seriously has to die. Dependency hell and all that | Jan 21 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | He assumes people will want to use WIndows like they use Linux. | Jan 21 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | No, dependency hell is reall... | Jan 21 01:15 |
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| moogstrap | remember the UK Gov's blunder with the "a good day to bury bad news" re the 9/11 attacks? It here's one for today's inauguration : http://techdirt.com/articles/2009... | Jan 21 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | For Windows | Jan 21 01:15 |
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| *schestowitz looks for the links (work in progress) | Jan 21 01:15 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index... | Jan 21 01:16 |
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| moogstrap | I remember being completely baffled by the concept of apt-get back in the day. It took me a day to figure it out, two to love it. | Jan 21 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | You can help by reading the PDF an copying the full text into the Wiki | Jan 21 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | I rely on volunteers who help me do this to increase posting (output) pace. It's GNU Free Documentation License 1.3 | Jan 21 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | moogstrap: yes, I remember that blunder... amazing, ain't it. I was on a plane when it happened | Jan 21 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | The cab driver who took me back from the airport told me that a building had just collapsed. | Jan 21 01:18 |
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| moogstrap | All right. Let me apt-get pdftools or whatever it's called to help me a bit | Jan 21 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | I think I flew without the crew saying a single word about it (flight from Brussels, IIRC) | Jan 21 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | They must have known though.. | Jan 21 01:19 |
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| moogstrap | aye | Jan 21 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Gah.. http://jehurst.wordpress.com/2009/01/19... | Jan 21 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | pavs is spamming in Digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Once_Y... | Jan 21 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | They must have caught him cheating because they now block him from FP | Jan 21 01:21 |
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| moogstrap | Hah. I never got one RTFM when I trolled the debianhelp forums. Although they would well have been within their rights to do so. "man!? what is man!?!?!@ | Jan 21 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | man man | Jan 21 01:22 |
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| moogstrap | by trolling I mean seeking utterly clueless advice | Jan 21 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | "I'm going back to Windows, UNLESS.." | Jan 21 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | "give me tips and offer help, OR ELSE" | Jan 21 01:22 |
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| moogstrap | not that bad | Jan 21 01:24 |
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| moogstrap | it was these sorts of pages that made me want to switch to linux http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/... Hard any of those "9million reasons to switch in bullet points" had the same effect | Jan 21 01:28 |
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| moogstrap | hardly* | Jan 21 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | Ahh.. Peter | Jan 21 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | Nicholas Petreley ... I think he wrote to me about it.. | Jan 21 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://dot.kde.org/1232445901/ | Jan 21 01:33 |
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| moogstrap | That's good. Is the KDE 4 holy war still raging? I prefer using Gnome | Jan 21 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | GNOME is good too | Jan 21 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel drops the G from it (GNU) | Jan 21 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | Adds an "O" instead and reverses it | Jan 21 01:38 |
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| moogstrap | I have an internal style-guide about acronyms. I never use full stops. If the letters are sounded indivudually, all caps, USA. If the acronym is spoken as it's spelt, then only the first letter is capital. Like Aids | Jan 21 01:39 |
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| moogstrap | pdftotext works a charm on the dll hell file. How do you want this thing formatted? | Jan 21 01:41 |
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| moogstrap | (still some cleanup to do of course) | Jan 21 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | This is inspired me... | Jan 21 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content... | Jan 21 01:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, cleanup is typically needed. :-) | Jan 21 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | If you put it in the Wiki such that it looks good in plain text, then I can post it in the FP soon. | Jan 21 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | We did about 3+ GB o traffic today | Jan 21 01:50 |
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| moogstrap | but how much of that hails from the Kingdom of the Shills? | Jan 21 01:52 |
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| schestowitz | An illustration of the evolution of GNOME under Novell's watch: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/2... | Jan 21 01:56 |
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| moogstrap | I usually ascii-ify pdfs that are pretty to begin with for later persusal on a laptop over 9000 years old. This thing however formats J as .]. Joygasm | Jan 21 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | 9000 years? | Jan 21 02:09 |
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| moogstrap | well | Jan 21 02:09 |
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| moogstrap | no | Jan 21 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | Does it look like a scroll perchance? | Jan 21 02:09 |
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| moogstrap | cave paintings | Jan 21 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | Does it do just RGB like GIMP 2? | Jan 21 02:12 |
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| moogstrap | the colour stuff is still in alpha | Jan 21 02:14 |
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| moogstrap | we've got brown. working on beige, baby | Jan 21 02:15 |
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| schestowitz | It does other colour schemes/palletes now | Jan 21 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | Mozilla Wants to Start Watching Where You Click < http://blog.wired.com/business/2009... > | Jan 21 02:16 |
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| moogstrap | hrmm. interesting | Jan 21 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | They pondered this before... | Jan 21 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | No news. | Jan 21 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | Unlike Google and Microsoft, there's not much they can do with the data that's malicious. | Jan 21 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | Unless they sell the data | Jan 21 02:21 |
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| moogstrap | yeah. I was just thinking about standards. The data could help there | Jan 21 02:22 |
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| moogstrap | there's a section coming up in my law bit soon about Monopolies. We'll be looking at Google and MS specifically. That'll be intere | Jan 21 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Call me fickle, but I switched my default browser back to Firefox for the time being. In doing so, I discovered the features I really miss about Chrome." http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... | Jan 21 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | Will you be writing some? | Jan 21 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | Antitrust = proof that the "free market" theory is utterly flawed | Jan 21 02:25 |
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| moogstrap | there might be an essay to write. But it'll have to be related back to shipping law somehow | Jan 21 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | Truth be told: http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20... | Jan 21 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's a publicity stunt | Jan 21 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | "Shipping law" *LOL | Jan 21 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | Is that like an anti-Piracy law | Jan 21 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | Arrr..... | Jan 21 02:29 |
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| moogstrap | hah | Jan 21 02:30 |
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| moogstrap | piracy is a huuuge legal hurdle | Jan 21 02:30 |
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| moogstrap | shipping companies have long used price fixing. But of course that's anti-EU now. Now we get stuff like this: http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-... | Jan 21 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.walrusmagazine.com/blogs/2009/01/19... "Another tragic victory of marketing over reality." Nothing there about the Intel/Microsoft corruption?? | Jan 21 02:31 |
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| schestowitz | I'll add a comment | Jan 21 02:31 |
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| moogstrap | The second on that list, MSC, is a real life mafia owned company. Started up in Italy. Natch. Real mafia, real pirates. It gives the euphemisms I see online a really weird air | Jan 21 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | "I am very disappointed that you did not cover the major factors that derailed the project -- coordinated sabotage with words and predatory pricing from Intel and Microsoft. Revisionism is dangerous game." | Jan 21 02:33 |
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| moogstrap | The OLPC is a tragedy. you can't leave stuff like that be | Jan 21 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | I know, people forgot and moved on | Jan 21 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | Same with AMD | Jan 21 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | AMD keeps growing smaller.. 'growing' | Jan 21 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | So sooner or later who would tell the story about Intel's systematic crimes against them? | Jan 21 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | Can Borland, Netscape and Be(OS) tell us the story about Microsoft's criminal activity? | Jan 21 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/electron... (Ubuntu Man and Hardy Heron) | Jan 21 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | "Incidentally, credit to the returning Michael Dell for recognising a market for pre-installed Linux systems. Following its customer-feedback initiative - IdeaStorm - the company identified demand for open source kit. " | Jan 21 02:37 |
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| moogstrap | My girlfriend bought an Ubuntu laptop from Dell | Jan 21 02:38 |
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| schestowitz | That's good. | Jan 21 02:38 |
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| schestowitz | And she didn't drop out of college, right? | Jan 21 02:39 |
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| moogstrap | Hah. Already a graduate | Jan 21 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | I know, I was referring to the Big Story. | Jan 21 02:40 |
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| moogstrap | Free software scored two points, also. Her crummy MTP mp3 player didn't work. Then the libmtp project updated and it worked. Then the Bamboo tablet didn't work. Now with 8.10 it works out of the box. | Jan 21 02:41 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent. | Jan 21 02:42 |
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| moogstrap | interesting tidbit on the libmtp's FAQ, an response to "doesn't microsft hate you guys?": No. On the contrary we have heard some positive things from Redmond through the grapevine. (MS guys, please join our mailinglist and say hello.) They are working with the USB Implementors Forum to standardize MTP and when that spec is released we will hopefully be the first conforming implementation outside of Redmond, or so | Jan 21 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | That's the transitory phase. | Jan 21 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | From thee onwards, /new/ hardware is chosen for the O/S, not vice versa | Jan 21 02:43 |
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| moogstrap | yeah | Jan 21 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | I ditched the last morsel of Windows in 2005 | Jan 21 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | I nukes the last partition | Jan 21 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | *nuked | Jan 21 02:44 |
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| moogstrap | I tried that whole dual-boot thing at first too. I found I never used it | Jan 21 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | Left has actually been easier since. | Jan 21 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | *Left->Life | Jan 21 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | It was Windows 98...... | Jan 21 02:44 |
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| moogstrap | same here. I keep the other partition for bonkers experiments with Sid and Gentoo, or more recently with Elive. Anything that a stupid user might break | Jan 21 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | Does Linus have a Win partition? I can't remember? | Jan 21 02:47 |
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| moogstrap | that ubuntuguy mentions compiz. At the college that has been the main selling point of visitors to my dorm. For many, many people, the whole eye-candy thing is extremely persuasive | Jan 21 02:47 |
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| moogstrap | "is that apple or something?" | Jan 21 02:48 |
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| moogstrap | dun dun dun! http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/linux/torvalds-fam... | Jan 21 02:49 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 21 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | moogstrap: would that be his parents? | Jan 21 02:51 |
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| moogstrap | yeah. It's all I could find on the subject | Jan 21 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | He installed Fedora for his wife a while ago. | Jan 21 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | He probably teaches his kids how to 'play' pine. | Jan 21 02:52 |
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| schestowitz | moogstrap: yes, I remember that article. | Jan 21 02:52 |
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| moogstrap | http://1billionusd.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/07... "The condition of ship's structure and machineries is pathetic and much far below international standards . Their aim is to run the ship till it sinks , even if the vessel sinks they will get handsome amounts in terms of insurance claims . They even buy the classifications societies and the surveyors by either threatening th | Jan 21 02:53 |
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| moogstrap | now THAT's mafia | Jan 21 02:53 |
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| schestowitz | not as bad as the mafiaa | Jan 21 02:55 |
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| schestowitz | where the second 'a" stands for "Amplified" | Jan 21 02:55 |
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| moogstrap | you know, a little over a hundred years ago, the load line regs were brought in. You know, the line on the side of the ship that says, "if you can't see this, you're fucked". The companies all fought against it, of course. So the lawlords made a compromise. The companies could choose where to put the load line. So what did they do? They put the line on the crow's nest, right at the top of the mast, just as a big | Jan 21 02:58 |
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| moogstrap | in those days, refusing to sail on a ship meant 6 months in jail. In that time, 75% of inmates in seafaring town's prisons were seamen who didn't want to die. Nice | Jan 21 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | Your messages get truncated | Jan 21 02:59 |
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| moogstrap | bummer | Jan 21 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | of the mast, just as a big << ENDS HERE | Jan 21 03:00 |
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| moogstrap | just as a big FU to the legislators | Jan 21 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | second time in this session, 'tleast | Jan 21 03:00 |
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| moogstrap | meh | Jan 21 03:00 |
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| moogstrap | I'm using the applet thingy | Jan 21 03:00 |
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| moogstrap | all attempts to get irssi get an auto-generated message telling me I'm doing something very bad | Jan 21 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see. | Jan 21 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | Why not apt-get install xchat? | Jan 21 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | Admittedly, I tried almost nothing else on the desktop, except Mirc, when I stopped using when I was 14 or 15 | Jan 21 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | /s/when/which | Jan 21 03:01 |
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| moogstrap | I don't know. The network here is very good at sniffing out stuff. I don't want to lose my connection! | Jan 21 03:02 |
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| moogstrap | port 6667 being the world's deadliest port and all | Jan 21 03:02 |
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| moogstrap | and tunnelling is specifically banned. I have no idea if they can detect that. But I'm not going to try and tempt them | Jan 21 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | How so? | Jan 21 03:03 |
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| moogstrap | I don't know. Maybe the 666 bit | Jan 21 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | Why would this port be denied? | Jan 21 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | Unless something illicit is done, this is unacceptable. | Jan 21 03:03 |
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| moogstrap | they all are. I can't even access my smtp mail server | Jan 21 03:04 |
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| moogstrap | only port 8080 and 443 are open, I think | Jan 21 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | Is that the port for multiplayer Diablo? ;-) | Jan 21 03:04 |
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| moogstrap | heh | Jan 21 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | This is stupid | Jan 21 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | It's like saying you can drink from the cup and not from a straw | Jan 21 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | The smart ones will find other sophisticated ways to sip anyway | Jan 21 03:05 |
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| moogstrap | we're not allowed to know the IP address that we use to connect to the internet. That kinda puts a downer on netstat | Jan 21 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | Here in Manchester the ATM got cracked.. at least one. | Jan 21 03:06 |
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| schestowitz | Too much Windows in Uk-based ATMs.. like Citibank | Jan 21 03:06 |
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| moogstrap | hah. yeah. I saw an ATM with a big fat windows error message on it once. I walked away | Jan 21 03:06 |
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| schestowitz | ..From the scene of the crime | Jan 21 03:06 |
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| moogstrap | hah | Jan 21 03:06 |
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| schestowitz | Killed by fire wall | Jan 21 03:07 |
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| moogstrap | it's pretty ludicrous installing a 4gb operating system full of security holes for a machine that spits moneyey | Jan 21 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | And 3 bouts of Chinese zombies | Jan 21 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | Natwest does this too | Jan 21 03:07 |
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| moogstrap | but then they do the same for heart monitors in hospitals | Jan 21 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | Barc's went titsups | Jan 21 03:08 |
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| schestowitz | But Win is not RTOS | Jan 21 03:08 |
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| schestowitz | Must be bad engineers... DNS..... WIndows.... Hospitals... Windows. | Jan 21 03:08 |
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| schestowitz | Vis a vis... | Jan 21 03:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/2... | Jan 21 03:09 |
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| schestowitz | "Staff at hospitals across Sheffield are battling a major computer worm outbreak after managers turned off Windows security updates for all 8,000 PCs on the vital network, The Register has learned." | Jan 21 03:09 |
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| moogstrap | "You're doing it wrong!" | Jan 21 03:09 |
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| moogstrap | http://xkcd.com/463/ | Jan 21 03:10 |
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| moogstrap | remember this? http://www.networkworld.com/com... | Jan 21 03:11 |
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| *schestowitz loks | Jan 21 03:11 |
| moogstrap | "On Monday, September 8, 2008 the London Stock Exchange, run completely on Windows, experienced a Blue Screen of Death. What more can I say? " | Jan 21 03:11 |
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| moogstrap | pretty much all electronic chart systems use windows, as far as I know. They're linked to various systems, radar, GPS, AIS etc, to display the ship, its course, its ETA, everything. Basically. They're used to plan voyages, predominantly. And in my experience. Yes they bluescreen and yes they get viruses | Jan 21 03:15 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it. | Jan 21 03:15 |
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| schestowitz | With many refs | Jan 21 03:15 |
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| moogstrap | I thought so. I was in Malaysia when I read that. I only found your site about a month ago :P | Jan 21 03:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/20... | Jan 21 03:16 |
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| schestowitz | There were followups (about 20 related posts I did in other places also) | Jan 21 03:17 |
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| schestowitz | Big black eye for Microsoft either way | Jan 21 03:17 |
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| schestowitz | I notice that BN's Netcraft rank has just climbed to 2600th | Jan 21 03:17 |
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| schestowitz | Very few sites that cover Linux are above that | Jan 21 03:17 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw is ~1300th | Jan 21 03:17 |
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| moogstrap | I think that's to do with presentation. Groklaw is pretty essayish in that respect. I suspect sites that highlight groklw's stuff are more widely read in all. | Jan 21 03:19 |
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| moogstrap | or maybe I'm just talking BS | Jan 21 03:20 |
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| moogstrap | probably | Jan 21 03:20 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw has good following | Jan 21 03:21 |
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| schestowitz | It'll be back. | Jan 21 03:21 |
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| moogstrap | I hope so | Jan 21 03:21 |
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| schestowitz | State of flux.. we get some of their readers. | Jan 21 03:22 |
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| schestowitz | BN traffic nearly doubled this month | Jan 21 03:22 |
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| moogstrap | interesting | Jan 21 03:22 |
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| moogstrap | will you be watching the RIAA thing? | Jan 21 03:23 |
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| schestowitz | No, I read something about it though | Jan 21 03:23 |
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| moogstrap | I'm too sleepy to finish this dll hell tonight. any particular time you want it for? | Jan 21 03:26 |
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| schestowitz | No hurry, I'm just thankful for it!! | Jan 21 03:27 |
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| schestowitz | Highlighting best bits of it is good to engage the reader and have people read the whole thing | Jan 21 03:27 |
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| schestowitz | It also gets it indexed on the Web, with names of those involved | Jan 21 03:28 |
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| moogstrap | Okay, all right then. Off to bed I go. ta! | Jan 21 03:28 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is worries enough having this on the Web.. | Jan 21 03:28 |
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| schestowitz | *worried | Jan 21 03:28 |
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| MinceR | hay | Jan 21 09:16 |
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| schestowitz | A legion of susers seems to have come to BN because they don't like it when Novell is found trolling BN. | Jan 21 10:41 |
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| kentma1 | schestowitz: did you ever find out what happened to the oss in schools mailing list? | Jan 21 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | I think it dissolved a bit | Jan 21 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | In the sense that people lost the will to post much... Iain tried to keep it active. | Jan 21 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | Also, Sirius left it, as far as I know. They are doing okay now with some contracts and MT writes in ZDNet on occasions. | Jan 21 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | Advertisement from Coverity appear in the Web again .. they advertise themselves using scans of F/OSS. | Jan 21 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | OpenSUSE's Brockmeier seems like a nice guy... it's a shame he took his talent over to Novell and by doing so he tainted the reputation -- due to bias -- of Linux Magazine and the NewsForge network. He's also using OStatic to bend it a bit in SUSE's direction. When Novell bought Brockmeier it bought media bias. | Jan 21 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | KBasic Brings BASIC to Qt World < http://dot.kde.org/1232499049/ > **Mono itch** | Jan 21 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | BELEM - Sciences and Democracy < http://fm-sciences.org/spip.php?art... > | Jan 21 11:09 |
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| kentma1 | schestowitz: shame about the oss in schools list; it was actually quite helpful from my point of view. There were some short tempers, but even so, some discussion is much better than none. | Jan 21 11:14 |
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