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jose_Xthanks for the link EruaranFeb 10 15:09
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schestowitzI'm trying to make a super-concise into to Linux/GNU, for newbies... http://boycottnovell.com/move-to-gnu-linux/Feb 10 15:11
schestowitzSuggestions would be great.Feb 10 15:11
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jose_Xthere are many kinds of noobsFeb 10 15:14
jose_Xsome hardly know what "application" or "operating system" meanFeb 10 15:14
jose_Xmaybe have the first page link to the noob typesFeb 10 15:14
jose_Xso you might have "i was just barely able to find this page"Feb 10 15:15
schestowitzjose_X: this one targets people who land on BN and don't know LinuxFeb 10 15:15
schestowitzPeople suggested we make this page as quick referenceFeb 10 15:15
jose_Xwhat i mean is that you can have many noob pagesFeb 10 15:15
jose_Xbecause there are many noob levelsFeb 10 15:15
schestowitzI don't want to stoop to kindergarten/BBC noobFeb 10 15:16
jose_Xone level might have you speak with almost no jargon and using simple analogies and explaining things like "download" or whateverFeb 10 15:16
jose_Xanother noob page might be much more practical and maybe aimed at linux noobs but windows developersFeb 10 15:16
schestowitzLike "computers are made from many tiny computers called transistors"Feb 10 15:16
jose_Xtransistors.. what is thatFeb 10 15:16
jose_Xseriously thoughFeb 10 15:16
jose_XokFeb 10 15:16
jose_Xwhatever you buildFeb 10 15:16
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jose_Xtest it on lpeople in the streetFeb 10 15:16
toroshiFeb 10 15:16
jose_Xi'll try and contribute to that page roy.. maybe i'll email or else list text here at some pointFeb 10 15:17
jose_Xyou may also want to look at existing noob pages and figure out why those aren't good enoughFeb 10 15:17
schestowitz OK, modifiedFeb 10 15:18
schestowitzHey, toros, welcome backFeb 10 15:19
jose_Xgood heavens it took forever to extract the COPYING file .. i think that is it.. is there a license.txt file.. let me checkFeb 10 15:20
torosI have written today an article about this topic (in Hungarian): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/mi...Feb 10 15:22
schestowitzhost: "Thank you for contacting us. Your site is resolving fine on our end. I can see the server your site was hosted on was recently restarted. This may be the reason you experienced downtime. We do apologize for this and assure you that the server is up and running smoothly now. "Feb 10 15:22
torosI mentioned also Boycott Novell in my articleFeb 10 15:22
schestowitzIt was actually more than that. Maybe some server panic of some sort of a rogue process, who knows..Feb 10 15:23
schestowitztoros: thank you!Feb 10 15:23
schestowitztoros: I think I saw thatFeb 10 15:23
toroshttp://mogorvamormota.hu/2009/02/1...Feb 10 15:23
torosthis is it...Feb 10 15:23
twitterOK, I'm back.Feb 10 15:23
twitterMincer, it's not closeness.  It was like M$ trying to put the best face on a new failure of theirs.  Google beating them to universal mail and calendar service.Feb 10 15:24
twitterI tried to get as many early links as I could find here http://slashdot.org/firehose.p...Feb 10 15:25
torosI think Boycott Novell will be a great source for me in the future :)Feb 10 15:25
twittermerged it with BN's patent story tooFeb 10 15:25
jose_Xbn is a great sourceFeb 10 15:25
balzacit's some good shiatFeb 10 15:25
twitterwow, the turfers have already modded me down.Feb 10 15:25
MinceRtwitter: still, google shouldn't have talked with themFeb 10 15:25
MinceReveryone else can make that shitty sync tool work without garbage from m$Feb 10 15:26
twitterI imagine the thing they promised was to not break the sync.Feb 10 15:26
twitterbut you are right - it was foolish for Google to trust M$ with anything.Feb 10 15:27
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balzacwhat did google trust M$ with?Feb 10 15:27
twitterI see a longer term strategy.  Google gets exchange sync working with their service on all mobile devices.  M$ breaks their part of the sync, despite a promise not to.  Google sells a replacement for Exchange - check mate.Feb 10 15:28
twitterM$ and Google have already had a few exchanges about services being broken.  I read about chrome having hotmail problems that Google fixed by changing their user agent for hotmail to Safari.Feb 10 15:30
schestowitzhttp://translate.google.com/translate?sour...Feb 10 15:35
schestowitztwitter: it's about making Exchange protocols the de facto standards, so it's badFeb 10 15:36
schestowitztoros: Matt Asay is not a "software expert"Feb 10 15:36
schestowitzHe's a lawyer and he can't code (he doesn't comment much on technical things, either)Feb 10 15:37
schestowitzMaybe it's a bad translation from Hungarian. it says: "Matt Asay (known to be a software expert)" This is funny to me :-)Feb 10 15:37
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torosthanksFeb 10 15:38
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torosThe Hungarian sentence means something like "Expert on area of free software"Feb 10 15:39
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torosso it means more like a guy, who knows what is free software about, not really software expertFeb 10 15:42
toros(It's pretty hard to translate from Hungarian into English because they are pretty different languages)Feb 10 15:43
schestowitzLast night I finished accommodating the Wiki with most of the memosFeb 10 15:43
schestowitzushimitsudoki has ome goodies I ought to add as well.Feb 10 15:43
schestowitztoros: he knows companies and s/w politics in his areasFeb 10 15:44
schestowitzHe's an exec, not an engineer. He's also apt at writing clearly  and understanding relationshipsFeb 10 15:44
torosthanks for the infoFeb 10 15:45
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schestowitzIs this Digg's founder, a software thief and a patent troll that takes pride in it (nathanm)? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurve...Feb 10 15:49
MinceRit would fit the founder of a hive of apple fanboysFeb 10 15:50
schestowitzDigg has been b0rked for daysFeb 10 15:50
schestowitzThings keep blowing up like 20% of the same (bad pageloads)Feb 10 15:50
schestowitzI guess Kevin Rose won't like my next two submission about biillgFeb 10 15:51
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schestowitzFirst one: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed_b...Feb 10 15:52
schestowitzweb, _doug Feb 10 15:52
schestowitz*wbFeb 10 15:52
_doug?Feb 10 15:52
schestowitz_doug: we're making big sites these days, so it's working out wellFeb 10 15:52
schestowitzI've also populated the Wiki with many more coming.Feb 10 15:52
jose_Xcomes was a jackpotFeb 10 15:54
_dougGet a load of this ..Feb 10 15:55
_doughttp://tech.slashdot.org/article...Feb 10 15:55
jose_Xcombined with bn's stash.. it's providing very interesting material... which is backed by hard evidenceFeb 10 15:55
_dougand compare to this ..Feb 10 15:55
_doughttp://www.pcworld.com/article/1591...Feb 10 15:55
schestowitzjose_X: not "was"... "is"..."will be"Feb 10 15:55
schestowitzWe've only scratched the surfaceFeb 10 15:55
schestowitzThis one isn't splendid, but it has a chance: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed_b...Feb 10 15:56
_doug"Firefox exec: we don't want to be bundled with Windows"Feb 10 15:56
jose_Xi hope it's not too too difficult for you.. because the output many times is sure interesting to readFeb 10 15:56
schestowitz_doug: yes, old newsFeb 10 15:56
schestowitzThe lizard blogged it on Friday.Feb 10 15:56
schestowitzWhoa... wait... this isn't the same Firefox development... this is newerFeb 10 15:57
_douga comment by one man gets elivated into 'Firefox executives'Feb 10 15:57
schestowitzYes..Feb 10 15:58
schestowitzFaker?Feb 10 15:58
schestowitzMozilla JOINED against Microsoft. Contradiction here.......Feb 10 15:58
_dougnot exactly, just ask the right question to get the quote you want ..Feb 10 15:58
schestowitzAnd they also got rid of the Microsofter.. Window Snyder.Feb 10 15:58
schestowitz_doug: yes, like ISO about its corruption.Feb 10 15:59
schestowitz"Yes" or "not No"Feb 10 15:59
schestowitz\Feb 10 15:59
_doug'there isn't "the single smallest iota of doubt" that Microsoft's tying of IE to Windows "harms competition between web browsers'Feb 10 15:59
_dougit's very co-indencila that the first quote came just before the second ?Feb 10 16:00
jose_Xi'd love to see the process repeated with all mswareFeb 10 16:00
jose_Xwhat do you mean _doug?Feb 10 16:01
_dougan d meanwhile ..Feb 10 16:01
twitterduh, forbidding OEMs to install other browsers and technical sabotage are the only thing that made people use IEFeb 10 16:01
_doug'French fighter planes grounded by computer virus .. The aircraft were unable to download their flight plans after databases were infected by a Microsoft virus'Feb 10 16:01
_doughttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/eur...Feb 10 16:01
twitterdohFeb 10 16:02
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jose_Xbn hit that alreadyFeb 10 16:02
jose_Xright?Feb 10 16:02
schestowitzYes, Sunday I think.Feb 10 16:02
twitterI wish they would call it the Windows virus that it is.Feb 10 16:02
schestowitztrmanco brought it upFeb 10 16:03
twitteroh wow, they actually called it a "Microsoft virus"Feb 10 16:03
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mib_eydvpiboycott novell?Feb 10 16:04
mib_eydvpiare they even relevant anymore?Feb 10 16:04
schestowitzI'm seeing new libel in USENETFeb 10 16:04
twitterwhat now?Feb 10 16:04
schestowitzThe Microsoft Munchkins now spread the lie that I'm a "pedophile" and "gay" and all sorts of madness.Feb 10 16:04
schestowitzThey have been out of control with libel since BN made it into DiggFeb 10 16:04
mib_eydvpilolFeb 10 16:04
jose_Xthat is weak and desperateFeb 10 16:04
mib_eydvpiare you going to try to sue for libel based on comments made online?Feb 10 16:05
schestowitzmib_97ne5a: novell is still relevantFeb 10 16:05
mib_eydvpiisnt that a little like running in the special olympics?Feb 10 16:05
jose_Xroy documentsFeb 10 16:05
schestowitzIt's relevant where Linux direction is concerned, thus the problemFeb 10 16:05
_dougThere *is* really no point in responding to the abuse ..Feb 10 16:05
mib_eydvpiah ok, didnt know - thx for the lowdownFeb 10 16:05
_doughttp://www.databreaches.net/Feb 10 16:05
mib_eydvpithought all that was ancient history by nowFeb 10 16:05
schestowitzmib_97ne5a: they post from proxies and all..Feb 10 16:05
schestowitzThey've done this BS for /years/Feb 10 16:06
_dougschestowitz: don't expend energy in even thinking about it ..Feb 10 16:06
jose_Xmib_eydvpi, go ahead and get everything out of your system quickly so we can address it and keep goingFeb 10 16:06
mib_eydvpii havent really played with linux in yearsFeb 10 16:06
mib_eydvpiused to dev on red hat 7 back in the dayFeb 10 16:06
jose_Xand..Feb 10 16:06
jose_Xand..Feb 10 16:06
mib_eydvpiubuntu seems ok thoFeb 10 16:06
schestowitzDamnFeb 10 16:07
jose_Xfine greatFeb 10 16:07
schestowitzThe Munchkins do this not just to meFeb 10 16:07
schestowitzI see they use the same "pedophile" libel against other peopleFeb 10 16:07
schestowitzThey try to fumigate participantsFeb 10 16:07
mib_eydvpipaedoFeb 10 16:07
_doug"Microsoft has confirmed that arch rival Google has joined the ranks of companies licensing its technology"Feb 10 16:07
_doughttp://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/246953/micr...Feb 10 16:07
schestowitz_doug: you're right, thanksl.Feb 10 16:07
_dougfrom the same source as that Firefox executives don't mind msBundling .. :)Feb 10 16:08
mib_eydvpiho humFeb 10 16:08
_doug"Google's licensing of these Microsoft patents relating to the Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync protocol is a clear acknowledgment of the innovation taking place at Microsoft,"Feb 10 16:08
_doughaaaaaa ..Feb 10 16:08
mib_eydvpididnt they buy activesync from a third party?Feb 10 16:08
schestowitz"http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed_by_Ope..."Feb 10 16:09
schestowitzOops.;Feb 10 16:09
_doughow caan you patent a protocol ?Feb 10 16:09
schestowitzWrong pasteFeb 10 16:09
schestowitz"For a claim like the one you made you would do time here. You are in Feb 10 16:09
schestowitz*very* hot waters now"Feb 10 16:09
mib_eydvpiah fuck it, you guys are boringFeb 10 16:09
schestowitzDr. Kolmann has just threatened to sue the bugegrs.Feb 10 16:09
_doug"This agreement is also a great example of Microsoft's openness to generally license our patents under fair and reasonable terms so long as licensees respect Microsoft intellectual property."Feb 10 16:09
schestowitz*hFeb 10 16:09
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*MinceR innovates a protocolFeb 10 16:09
jose_X_doug, you create patents such that when you employ the protocol, you necessarily duplicate the methods patentedFeb 10 16:09
schestowitzLots of the Novell trolls just do their hit-and-run thing with MIBFeb 10 16:10
MinceR"it's just like HTTP, except you must specify a "MyNewInnovativeProtocol: yes" header"Feb 10 16:10
schestowitz[H]omer_ used to block MIB for this reasonsFeb 10 16:10
*MinceR files a patentFeb 10 16:10
_dougI would assume you can impliment the protocol without troding on anyones 'patented intellectual property'Feb 10 16:10
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jose_Xplease consider contributing the patent for the protection of Foss.. MinceR?Feb 10 16:11
_doug"Microsoft is launching its own mobile sync service, called My Phone, at the Mobile World Congress next week."Feb 10 16:11
_dougme to, me to, me to !!!Feb 10 16:11
MinceRjose_X: now that would defeat the purpose of "innovating protocols", wouldn't it? :>Feb 10 16:11
jose_XI would not want to deprive you come to think of it.. sorry i asked.. (feeling embarrassed)Feb 10 16:12
MinceR:)Feb 10 16:13
schestowitzjose_X: LOLFeb 10 16:13
schestowitzOIN is such a messy pseudo-solutionFeb 10 16:14
schestowitzIt's the way sw patents supporter pretend to 'solve' the problemFeb 10 16:14
jose_Xbut please don't let me slow down the pace of innovation.Feb 10 16:14
schestowitzSame with Linux 'Defenders' and other "donate your timer to broken system" programmesFeb 10 16:14
schestowitzSpeaking of 'innovating' APIs, I assume jose_X will do some writings about it..?Feb 10 16:15
schestowitzWhat if HTTP was patented? By whom? And 8-bit encoding of chars...Feb 10 16:16
jose_Xi have considered pretending i was a lawyer for a day and writing up a "patch" to the patent law (title 35 usc i think) to create exceptions that would cover foss.. and submitting this to the obama website since they encourage this sort of contributionFeb 10 16:16
schestowitzEvery time you type, you owe me a centFeb 10 16:16
jose_Xschestowitz, i thought i'd put it off, but today i was thinking through how i might structure part 2Feb 10 16:16
schestowitz1 billion internet users x  2000 keystrokes/day x 1 cents/patent violation =  $20 billion per day. Ka-shingFeb 10 16:17
_douganyone here take a look at the BN Wiki ?Feb 10 16:17
schestowitz_doug: it's not public yetFeb 10 16:17
schestowitzIt needs polishingFeb 10 16:18
jose_Xlol, schestowitz i thought you were criticizing people here for giving only their one cent's worthFeb 10 16:18
jose_Xinstead of 2 centsFeb 10 16:18
torosI'm leaving... see you later!Feb 10 16:18
schestowitzIdeas -> greedFeb 10 16:18
jose_XokFeb 10 16:18
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schestowitzWhy do people not take pride in inspiring others?Feb 10 16:18
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_dougnot public, how so ?Feb 10 16:18
schestowitzWriters write to be read by others, not just moneyFeb 10 16:19
MinceRbecause of the most popular religion: money.Feb 10 16:19
schestowitzResearchers like peer acknowledgment.Feb 10 16:19
jose_Xlet me bring up that comment from the a-list blogging articleFeb 10 16:19
schestowitzCoders like to see their apps used and artists want crowds in the streets to appreciate their workFeb 10 16:19
schestowitzThen there's those conglomerates like AP, who chase people for 'stalking' Obama's faceFeb 10 16:20
schestowitz*stealingFeb 10 16:20
schestowitzMinceR: it's not a religion, it's a form of powerFeb 10 16:20
MinceRthe religion part is that its acquisition at all costs more important than everything else in the worldFeb 10 16:21
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jose_X"The weak, those whose prime devotion is getting rich, getting famous, getting laid, or getting approval will be culled. In the end, as in the beginning, it’s about purity and (some type of) artistic integrity. "Feb 10 16:21
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jose_Xjust prior to that quote is this:Feb 10 16:21
jose_X>> Blogging has reached a crucial moment in its evolution, one where competition for money, credibility, and attention has never been fiercer.Feb 10 16:21
jose_XI should have added that context beforeFeb 10 16:22
jose_Xhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009... roy posted this earlierFeb 10 16:22
MinceRi think calling Asay an "expert" is a grave overstatement.Feb 10 16:22
twitterah, but those crazy people in the west do it for fun.Feb 10 16:22
schestowitzMinceR: BTW, the picture here... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/09/m... .... that's Ballmer in Hungary after the egg-tossing. I grabbed a shot from one of the videosFeb 10 16:23
twitterparaphrase of a Greek statement made about why Persians gave up conquest of the west.Feb 10 16:23
_dougyet more seeding of slashdot ..Feb 10 16:23
_doughttp://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=3375157Feb 10 16:23
twitterspamming?Feb 10 16:23
schestowitzI think the Gates OOo item will make FP as well... and I have another one about Gates' anti-Linux at Intel exhibitFeb 10 16:23
MinceR:)Feb 10 16:23
schestowitzThey're like cannonballs.Feb 10 16:24
schestowitzEU wants protocols with "INNOVA~1" http://www.computerworlduk.com/community...Feb 10 16:27
schestowitzinnovation-encumbered standards... monopoly-ladenFeb 10 16:27
schestowitzVietnam to widely use open source software < http://billyduc.wordpress.com/2009/02... >Feb 10 16:28
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schestowitzGood post: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009...Feb 10 16:30
schestowitzHi, lolorific Feb 10 16:30
lolorifichi guysFeb 10 16:30
lolorificcame across your site from digg; interesting stuffFeb 10 16:31
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schestowitzSilly OSS sites are still peddling Black Duck Software.. not realising it was created by MS person, spreads FUD, makes non-Free s/w..... *sigh*Feb 10 16:32
schestowitzlolorific: thanks. We always find it valuable to hear from more people. That's how we come up with post ideas.Feb 10 16:33
_dougCloud computing with Linux ..Feb 10 16:33
_doughttp://tinyurl.com/d9lzf8Feb 10 16:33
lolorificwhere do you get most of your material from though? It's quite impressiveFeb 10 16:33
zer0c00loh my god sonicwall blocks tinyurl under "hacking and proxy avoidance"Feb 10 16:34
schestowitzYou can help usFeb 10 16:34
schestowitzzer0c00l: not fairFeb 10 16:34
zer0c00lschestowitz: yeahFeb 10 16:34
schestowitzCoral is blocked at my gym too.. so can't access BN via proxyFeb 10 16:34
_doughttp://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library...Feb 10 16:35
schestowitzlolorific: seee http://boycottnovell.com/wikiFeb 10 16:35
zer0c00l_doug: thanksFeb 10 16:35
_dougwe are good at finding things :)Feb 10 16:35
schestowitzWe could use help extracting the full text from exhibits. Then they can be postedFeb 10 16:35
_douglorific: what do you want to know ?Feb 10 16:35
lolorifictell me. I'm bored anyway :pFeb 10 16:36
schestowitzSee http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde...Feb 10 16:36
schestowitzI have two PDFs there that needs their contents as plain textFeb 10 16:36
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... (Linux discussed)Feb 10 16:36
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... (investment in Linux) Feb 10 16:36
schestowitzThere is already OCR in there, but there are OCR errors that need cleaning upFeb 10 16:37
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lolorificok, i'm not that bored :DFeb 10 16:37
_douglolorific: do you have the time to spare ?Feb 10 16:38
zer0c00lschestowitz: here goverment has shifted an important IAS officer, who introduced  GNU/LINUX in educationFeb 10 16:38
zer0c00lhis name is UMA SHANKARFeb 10 16:38
schestowitzzer0c00l: shifted?Feb 10 16:38
schestowitzNot shafted, right?Feb 10 16:39
schestowitzSee http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/... (Linux discussed)Feb 10 16:39
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content... (investment in Linux) Feb 10 16:39
zer0c00lits kind of shaftedFeb 10 16:39
_dougI do believe it's important to keep an accurate archine ...Feb 10 16:39
zer0c00lseems like dirty politicsFeb 10 16:39
zer0c00li can send the details , do you want me to?Feb 10 16:40
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... Short one... BIllG et al on LinuxFeb 10 16:40
zer0c00lhe is the former CEO of www.elcot.inFeb 10 16:40
schestowitzzer0c00l: yes, pleaseFeb 10 16:41
schestowitzELCOT did wellFeb 10 16:41
schestowitzIt ought not to have done with SUSE thoughFeb 10 16:41
schestowitzAnd Microsoft cronies in India will try to 'pull a Quinn' on such peopleFeb 10 16:41
_doug"Has Intel briefed you on the O0en Source development venture they are planning? Does Compaq have any plans to participate in this?", Aug 2000Feb 10 16:42
_dougIs it legal, MS leaning on other 'independent' companies to not use open source ?Feb 10 16:42
schestowitzYesFeb 10 16:43
schestowitzAnti-compeittiveFeb 10 16:43
schestowitzOther exhibits show this tooFeb 10 16:43
_doug'this is a push to make Linux a main stream operating system'Feb 10 16:44
_dougmakes you wonder why the DOJ agreed on a do-not-bundle-IExplorer settlementFeb 10 16:45
zer0c00lschestowitz: yeah ELCOT did well, Mr.Umashankar is a supporter of free softwareFeb 10 16:46
_douggtg ..Feb 10 16:48
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schestowitzzer0c00l: not good :-) he's not supporter of abusing/looting people... that can't work in politics.Feb 10 16:49
schestowitzOSI photo: http://flickr.com/photos/brjavaman/3236925322/Feb 10 16:50
zer0c00lschestowitz: read about his negotiation with M$ http://www.elcot.in/Studen...Feb 10 16:55
schestowitz"ELCOT does not accept the marketing concept called 'academic edition'."Feb 10 16:56
schestowitz 'academic edition =  EDGIFeb 10 16:56
zer0c00lohFeb 10 16:57
schestowitzToday: http://www.itwire.com/content... "Gates has also, in the past, confirmed how important piracy is to Microsoft: "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people don't pay for the software... Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next deFeb 10 16:57
schestowitzcade." "Feb 10 16:57
schestowitzUpgrading from Vista to Windows XP < http://www.itwire.com/conte... >. But Stan Beet!! What about GNU/Linux??Feb 10 16:58
lolorificit's the apps though. Sure if you could magically switch an entire ecosystem to Linux, a lot would IMOFeb 10 17:02
*zer0c00l says regular browsing hours for other students starts, i cannot even load google :(Feb 10 17:02
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schestowitzWine helps most peoleFeb 10 17:02
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lolorificI expect you'll see more apps that support "wine" rather than "windows" now it's hit v1+Feb 10 17:03
schestowitzSpecialised apps are the 'luxury' of a minority, albeit not those among us 'techies'Feb 10 17:03
lolorificutorrent for exampleFeb 10 17:03
schestowitzWine may have better Windows compatibility than Vista7Feb 10 17:03
schestowitzI never use Wine, so I can only judge based on what I read on that matterFeb 10 17:04
lolorificyeah it's ok. Could be the lubricant that starts the slippingFeb 10 17:04
lolorificearly days yet thoughFeb 10 17:04
lolorificbut still, most people I know don't care about OS's, just the apps on-top, hence Wine could be crucialFeb 10 17:05
schestowitzOh boyFeb 10 17:05
schestowitzMS astroturfers attack BN againFeb 10 17:05
schestowitzNymshifting tooFeb 10 17:05
schestowitzThe guy who was banned from LinuxTodayFeb 10 17:06
zer0c00lwhere they attack ?Feb 10 17:08
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/07/...Feb 10 17:08
schestowitzI'll inform LinuxToday maybe.Feb 10 17:08
schestowitzThese people flood Linux sites... same people, multiple names, name insults.Feb 10 17:08
*zer0c00l says i played Age of empires with wine once (2 years back )Feb 10 17:09
schestowitzI tried it with some apps a few years back.Feb 10 17:10
lolorificwow works quite well aparentlyFeb 10 17:12
jose_Xroy, banning people is not a great ideaFeb 10 17:13
jose_Xi know that guy takes up a lot of others' timeFeb 10 17:13
jose_Xwhen we replyFeb 10 17:13
jose_Xin this last case, he is making a comment related to patentingFeb 10 17:13
schestowitzzer0c00l: the mails you sent me are private, right? No public mailing list....Feb 10 17:14
schestowitzjose_X: No, no banningFeb 10 17:14
jose_Xi don't like or agree with what he says, but isn't it basically better people have their say and be shown the problems with what they are saying?Feb 10 17:14
zer0c00lits from public mailing listFeb 10 17:14
schestowitzBut I'd rather flag the Munchkins when they nymshift and not reply to their provocationFeb 10 17:14
schestowitzLinuxToday banned this oneFeb 10 17:14
zer0c00lits taken from "egovindia" yahoo groupFeb 10 17:15
jose_X>> I can see your IP and I can see where you’re coming from. Microsoft AstroTurfing is not permitted in this Web site and you were already banned from LinuxToday for doing the same thing.Feb 10 17:15
jose_Xit seems you are hinting that they may be banned if they do something (what?)Feb 10 17:15
schestowitzzer0c00l: so... what to do to expose this?Feb 10 17:15
lolorificmake a sad face :(Feb 10 17:16
jose_Xbtw, i didn't know lt had banned this person.. i saw comments just last week i thinkFeb 10 17:16
lolorificevery timeFeb 10 17:16
schestowitzjose_X: no, just pointing out that's he's a recognised and confirmed troll.Feb 10 17:16
jose_Xalright.. greatFeb 10 17:16
lolorificwho we talking about anyway?Feb 10 17:16
schestowitzjose_X: she said she'd banned him and she deleted his old commentsFeb 10 17:16
zer0c00ldaveFeb 10 17:16
lolorificFucking Dave*Feb 10 17:16
zer0c00llolorific:  http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/07/disto...Feb 10 17:16
lolorific*may not know who he is :pFeb 10 17:16
jose_Xthat's sad deleting old comments.. don't see whyFeb 10 17:17
schestowitzjose_X: I know...Feb 10 17:17
schestowitzHehe. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TechFlash_To...Feb 10 17:18
schestowitzReason not to use Feedburner.....Feb 10 17:19
schestowitz"The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request."Feb 10 17:19
jose_Xdarryl/dave is going to spin everything ms's way.. at least initially.Feb 10 17:19
schestowitz"Microsoft touts Google deal as 'clear' sign of its own innovation"Feb 10 17:19
jose_Xi don't use facebook but it's growing i supposeFeb 10 17:19
zer0c00lschestowitz: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.co... is linus a fan of M$ products?Feb 10 17:20
jose_Xgoogle deal is clear sign of uspto monopoly-granting powers.. that courts turn back so many patents shows the uspto is understaffed.Feb 10 17:20
jose_Xand not all-knowingFeb 10 17:21
schestowitzLinus is like one of those 3 monkeys. He doesn't want to know.Feb 10 17:21
jose_Xnot to mention the us patent laws are a jokeFeb 10 17:21
zer0c00lhahahaFeb 10 17:21
schestowitzMark Shuttleworth values my opinion, so I hope he's watching closely... he too is trying to be 'nice' to Microsoft so that he can get codecs and nonsense... like 'innva~1'Feb 10 17:21
jose_Xi won't judge linus even though i don't like a lot of that stuff he saysFeb 10 17:21
jose_Xhe deals with and depends on these people dailyFeb 10 17:22
jose_Xnot to justify his viewsFeb 10 17:22
jose_Xor like themFeb 10 17:22
schestowitzMarc Fleury is the same as LinusFeb 10 17:22
jose_Xwhat is important is for noobs not to think that linus is the voice of the community wrt licensing wisdomFeb 10 17:22
jose_Xdevs just want to have funFeb 10 17:22
*zer0c00l agrees with jose_XFeb 10 17:23
jose_Xhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwFeQpy_UsFeb 10 17:23
zer0c00li saw on a microsoft site about linus comments about "Visual basic"Feb 10 17:23
jose_Xwhat was the comment.. i'm waiting.....Feb 10 17:24
zer0c00li have to load ctunnel (proxy to view youtube videos ) youtube blocked here :XFeb 10 17:24
jose_X80s songFeb 10 17:25
schestowitzVIsta still refused in high-end systems.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/...Feb 10 17:26
schestowitz"For PR support in that campaign, Microsoft turned to LMG, a secretive Washington DC public affairs firm that specializes in astroturf campaigns. Thompson and Vogelstein expect the anti-Google campaign to intensify in 2009, with a focus on painting the company as a threat to personal privacy." http://prwatch.org/node/8199Feb 10 17:30
*zer0c00l says finally i made drupal, mysql and phpmyadmin to workFeb 10 17:32
schestowitzMore new astroturfs: http://prwatch.org/node/8203Feb 10 17:34
schestowitzHow are these things legal if they are clearly corrupt, subversive and unethical?Feb 10 17:34
schestowitzI've just looked at BN stats. I reckon that without caching off site we'd be doing millions of hits/dayFeb 10 17:35
lolorifici'm off guys; catch you all laterFeb 10 17:35
lolorifickeep up the good workFeb 10 17:35
schestowitz369172 hits in the past 12 hours depsite downtime (excluding caching in Coral and exc. bots and SEs too)Feb 10 17:36
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schestowitzA Jailhouse Interview with Terry Childs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159206... >Feb 10 17:48
schestowitzAnother XBox disaster happening at this moment?? http://www.pcworld.com/article/15920...Feb 10 17:50
jose_Xif it gets bloody, i hope google also fires back with privacy issues and microsoft.Feb 10 17:52
schestowitzYes, indeed.Feb 10 17:53
zer0c00lApples new fanboy movie : http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4712138/...Feb 10 17:53
zer0c00lWelcome To MacintoshFeb 10 17:53
schestowitzhttp://slated.org/microsoft_kills_babyFeb 10 17:53
jose_Xschestowitz, you may be interested: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/China-mon...Feb 10 17:54
jose_XChina monthly auto sales overtake US for 1st timeFeb 10 17:54
schestowitzChina is the new empireFeb 10 17:54
schestowitzThe US will kill as many kids as necessary to control the world's oil resourcesFeb 10 17:54
schestowitzPower (in the mateerial sense) is power (political sense)... they want to control the world through implicit extortion.Feb 10 17:55
schestowitzSega Chops 560 Jobs, Nixes 110 "Amusement Facilities" < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159253/seg... >Feb 10 17:58
schestowitzSpansion Japan Files for Bankruptcy Protection < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159252/spans... >Feb 10 17:58
jose_Xno wonder the xbox team is not creating hardware for life/death situationsFeb 10 17:58
schestowitzushimitsudoki: I hear Japan is hit badly.Feb 10 17:58
schestowitzMy dad reckons the Big Bang hasn't come yet.Feb 10 17:59
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jose_Xthe letter moody sent to the ietfFeb 10 18:12
jose_Xwhat he says we should do: "Please don't forget: you need to do this *today*."Feb 10 18:13
jose_Xie, send our own letter.Feb 10 18:13
jose_XlinkFeb 10 18:13
jose_Xhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/communit...Feb 10 18:13
jose_X this is a repeat from earlier ircFeb 10 18:13
jose_Xschestowitz, the pdfs you linked.. you also said there was an initial ocr.. what are those links?Feb 10 18:14
schestowitzCool.Feb 10 18:15
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-c... (Linux discussed)Feb 10 18:15
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-co... (investment in Linux) Feb 10 18:15
schestowitzI just need the texts... then I can post in turn. Carla really likes them.Feb 10 18:15
jose_XocrFeb 10 18:16
jose_Xor would that slow us down?Feb 10 18:16
jose_X.. back to moody and ietf...Feb 10 18:16
jose_X>> he FSF is again issuing an alert and request for comments to be sent urgently and prior to the February 11 deadlineFeb 10 18:16
jose_X>> to ietf@ietf.orgFeb 10 18:16
jose_X>> Please include us in your message by a CC to campaigns@fsf.org.Feb 10 18:16
jose_Xand don't forget..Feb 10 18:17
jose_X>> You should also expect an automated reply from ietf@ietf.org, which you will need to answer to confirm your original message.Feb 10 18:17
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schestowitzhttp://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/fa... FAA says Hackers broke into agency computersFeb 10 18:18
schestowitzTime for them to hurry up ditching WIndowsFeb 10 18:18
schestowitzI have a post in BN slamming them for WindowsFeb 10 18:19
schestowitzFAA bought from MS IIRCFeb 10 18:19
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schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090203/0304073621.shtml (Directors Admit They 'Steal' Ideas... But Most People Recognize That As Inspiration)Feb 10 18:23
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schestowitzMicrosoft plays catch up to MobileMe with My Phone < http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/09/... >Feb 10 18:26
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mi... (Firefox chief: Windows-IE bundling still stifles competition)Feb 10 18:27
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trmancoschestowitz, what does "quaking" mean?Feb 10 18:45
trmancoforget it, found it in a dictionaryFeb 10 18:46
schestowitzlike quake but verbFeb 10 18:46
jose_Xas in to shake, right?Feb 10 18:47
trmancoyesFeb 10 18:47
trmancoshakeFeb 10 18:47
jose_Xintransitive verb though.. to be shaking.. but not to shake something else.. i don't think you quake somethingFeb 10 18:48
schestowitzDoes anyone have quick code to append JS checked for MSIE?Feb 10 18:57
schestowitzI want to display GNU/Linux promotion if the visitor uses MSIE (about 10% of BN visitors)Feb 10 18:58
schestowitzHmmmm... http://www.echoecho.com/javascript6.htm ...... never mind... I think it's offensive to be told "Use Y" if you prefer X to access the site.Feb 10 19:03
MinceRit's also offensive to be DDoSed by windows zombies.Feb 10 19:06
MinceRi think a standard yellow alert bar is in order. :>Feb 10 19:06
schestowitzYes, but that's separateFeb 10 19:06
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schestowitzNo, I was thinking about "upgrade to GNU/Linux" bannerFeb 10 19:07
schestowitzSimple JS print("<img whatever />")Feb 10 19:07
MinceR:)Feb 10 19:07
schestowitzMaybe one between each post... hypnosis..Feb 10 19:08
schestowitzPics of RMS... j/kFeb 10 19:08
jose_Xyeah, I hope you are kiddingFeb 10 19:10
jose_X:-)Feb 10 19:10
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jose_XI like "upgrade to ..." here or there, not sure where.Feb 10 19:10
schestowitzAlmost 1000 Diggs < http://digg.com/linux_unix/B... > and anothr front pager coming :-) http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed_by_Open...Feb 10 19:11
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schestowitzgtg bblFeb 10 19:14
balzacI've said it before: you're the man now dog!Feb 10 19:15
balzacBill Gates should have used that opportunity when Kevin Rose was there to bribe him to squash your Digg submissions.Feb 10 19:16
balzacGates missed an opportunity.Feb 10 19:16
jose_Xanyone that want some background music.. there is the tried and true http://www.youtube.com/watch... courtesy of a digg commentFeb 10 19:19
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trmancoICQ channel? omg, A person called this channel an ICQ channel? geeshFeb 10 19:37
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trmancounbelievableFeb 10 19:39
MinceRwell, once upon a time there was IrCQ or however it was capitalized :>Feb 10 19:46
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trmanco...Feb 10 19:53
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trmancohttp://tech.slashdot.org/article....Feb 10 21:20
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schestowitzI see under "Related Videos" in YouTube that "Adolf Ballmer" has grown popular. Doesn't Godwin's Law apply here?Feb 10 21:22
schestowitztrmanco: the Munchkins in COLA deliberately not call it IRC.Feb 10 21:23
schestowitzICQ is the reason I left IRC when I was about 15Feb 10 21:23
trmancoI wonder why... is AOL somewhat affiliated with microfoot?Feb 10 21:24
schestowitzThe off clock will hopefully not v0rn anything. y2^h^h^h^kFeb 10 21:24
schestowitztrmanco: they have their similaritiesFeb 10 21:25
trmancohmm, thought soFeb 10 21:27
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schestowitzAOL to Microsoft: Yahoo bid “a mistake” http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2...Feb 10 21:29
schestowitzMicrosoft shifts its search to AOL http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman...Feb 10 21:30
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.theonion.com/content/video...Feb 10 21:32
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trmancohilariousFeb 10 21:37
MinceRrotflFeb 10 21:40
schestowitzOtellini unveils $7 billion Intel plan for 32nm < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... >Feb 10 21:46
schestowitz"Microsoft gets 10,000th patent - http://is.gd/j2fQ. And, my, just *look* at all the innovation in its products." http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/1196222061  You can almost *TOUCH* the INNOVA~1Feb 10 21:58
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jose_Xcan't stay long.. wanted to post the majority of the letter I wrote the ietf.. these are the people that standardize almost every important internet protocol (open) that has been created.Feb 10 22:02
jose_Xip, tcp, ... everythingFeb 10 22:03
jose_X...Feb 10 22:03
jose_XI want to register opposition to the proposed patent-encumbered standard for TLS authorization.Feb 10 22:03
jose_XSupporting patent encumbered standards makes absolutely zero sense. The support such a standard would get would probably be because of ignorance.Feb 10 22:03
jose_XPlease take a look at http://boycottnovell.com/2009... . That discussion (in progress) may not surprise the IETF, but ask how anyone could support that sort of nonsense as an open source software developer?Feb 10 22:03
jose_XOpen source software has been and will continue to be an important part of the Internet. Standards that aren't compatible with the most popular open source licenses (eg, the GPL) are an insult to the many hard-working open source developers world-wide.Feb 10 22:03
jose_XAgain, since it's very possible (and sometimes ridiculously easy) to circumvent many types of patents, but only if one designs for this from the beginning and doesn't allow themselves to be taken for a ride, I can't imagine the FOSS community or many others supporting a patent encumbered standard except out of ignorance. Why run a race you can't win, when there are so many other interesting races to be run?Feb 10 22:03
jose_Xglyn moody's article and sample letter http://www.computerworlduk.com/community...Feb 10 22:04
jose_Xnot exactly a "professional" email, but it should count for something.Feb 10 22:05
schestowitzI got mails of another person's comments to themFeb 10 22:05
schestowitzThey'll get loadsFeb 10 22:05
jose_Xmoody said to post todayFeb 10 22:05
schestowitzjose_X: yes, it's goodFeb 10 22:06
jose_Xdon't know if he meant today literally or notFeb 10 22:06
schestowitzBetter than those death threat letters PJ getsFeb 10 22:06
jose_Xsend to   ietf@ietf.orgFeb 10 22:06
jose_Xoptionally cc to campaigns@fsf.orgFeb 10 22:07
jose_Xanything would help i thinkFeb 10 22:07
schestowitzEverything's down, but the open Web is up: Online Radio Grows 37 Percent < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/... >Feb 10 22:07
schestowitzjose_X: let me post from templateFeb 10 22:08
jose_Xin a "PS" i mentioned, more or less, that i thought software patents were a growing abomination and these were just the sorts of patents that could damage the ietf's RFCs.Feb 10 22:08
trmancoHaha->http://blog.eracc.com/2009/02/10/linux-versus-t...Feb 10 22:09
trmancoLinux Versus the Microsoft Trained Brain SyndromeFeb 10 22:09
schestowitzDoneFeb 10 22:09
trmanco"Microsoft users have brains ? (Cheap shot)"Feb 10 22:09
schestowitzWill need to get confirmation mailFeb 10 22:09
jose_Xwanted to mention that admins deal with their standards all the time.. imap, smtp, pop, email-2822, arp, snmp, ip/tcp, and tons of others.. even things like gzip have been standardizedFeb 10 22:10
schestowitztrmanco: thanks, will post it laterFeb 10 22:11
schestowitzThe Microsoft shill Jesper Lund Stocholm strikes in IBM blogs too: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/02/2...Feb 10 22:13
schestowitzAnother Mac Clone Appears, This Time in Germany < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159276/mac_... >Feb 10 22:15
schestowitzSkype population grows to 400mFeb 10 22:15
schestowitzObama Lauds Intel Plan to Invest $7B in Chip Plants < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15929... >. He should instead launch an investigation into the company's many crimesFeb 10 22:17
schestowitzWhy does the US rely on the EU to fight for justice? And then allow Intel to call law enforcers "anti-American"Feb 10 22:17
jose_Xschestowitz, how is the translations to text of the pdfs being coordinated. I started one, but I really don't want to waste time with duplicate effort.Feb 10 22:20
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mib_nky77aHelloFeb 10 22:21
mib_nky77ai dont think this is still workingFeb 10 22:23
mib_nky77aor is it?Feb 10 22:23
schestowitzHeyFeb 10 22:23
schestowitzIt isFeb 10 22:23
mib_nky77aow it isFeb 10 22:23
schestowitzWhat's up?Feb 10 22:23
mib_nky77aIm goodFeb 10 22:23
schestowitzAre you joining 'via' Digg?Feb 10 22:23
schestowitzjose_X: you can mail it to meFeb 10 22:24
mib_nky77aIve been searching the web about Novell's history and there stability in the marketFeb 10 22:24
schestowitzOr you can put it in a Wiki (create a new page)Feb 10 22:24
schestowitzmib_nky77a: Novell is about to lay offFeb 10 22:24
schestowitzProbably around the 20th (financial results)Feb 10 22:24
schestowitzRon Hovsepian talked about this in Germany (to his employees only)Feb 10 22:25
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schestowitzIs Yahoo Looking to Offer SEO Services? < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/10/i...> That's odd. An SE permitting manipulation of /itself/?Feb 10 22:27
schestowitzmib_nky77a: What type of solution are you after? Companies like Red Hat and Canonical seem to be growing still. For something like Netware it's more complicatedFeb 10 22:27
jose_Xwhat i don't want is to send you an email that you already received from someone else.Feb 10 22:27
jose_Xcan I take ownership over 2009/01/px06825.pdf for 24 hrs?Feb 10 22:28
jose_Xschestowitz, send me an email if you want me to work on a translation.. just give me the link and a timeline that works outFeb 10 22:30
schestowitzYes, definitely!Feb 10 22:31
jose_Xthe http://boycottnovell.com/move-to-gnu-linux/ is actually fine for version 0.01Feb 10 22:32
schestowitzThis is the file: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/... (investment in Linux)Feb 10 22:32
schestowitzjose_X: I'll change/extend it over timeFeb 10 22:32
jose_Xreally though, it's simple, has visuals, and says some things that would be appealing to users.Feb 10 22:32
schestowitzGroklaw has a similar page linking to GrokDocFeb 10 22:32
jose_Xi think that page is fine for nowFeb 10 22:33
jose_Xthe getgnulinux link would explain further and provide links to distrosFeb 10 22:33
schestowitzjose_X: yes, people have become too lazy to read articles. Videos are funner. This is the type of thing I'd sent someone who knows nothing but Windows.. that's the target audience... took me 10 minutes to doFeb 10 22:33
schestowitzYes, I link to a site rather than reinvest the wheel but this page is an anchor for future extensionFeb 10 22:34
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jose_Xi started 6797.pdf but didn't do much.. that one is very shortFeb 10 22:34
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jose_Xwow 6825 is even shorter.Feb 10 22:35
jose_Xok, give me one day?Feb 10 22:35
jose_Xi have to leave asapFeb 10 22:35
jose_Xwill check back laterFeb 10 22:35
schestowitzExcellent, thank you so much!Feb 10 22:35
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mib_nky77ais there any news to date at the moment aout novell?Feb 10 22:36
schestowitzNice pic: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/...Feb 10 22:37
schestowitzmib_elde58: yes, hold onFeb 10 22:37
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schestowitzI collected all the news and put it under accumulations in http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/ron-h... ; http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/... ; http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/02/novell... ; http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/31/... (corrected, but might be true)Feb 10 22:38
schestowitzbrbFeb 10 22:39
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mib_nky77aif they would lay off 1000 instead of 100 where could it be cut?Feb 10 22:51
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schestowitzI don't know.Feb 10 22:52
schestowitzBut...Feb 10 22:52
schestowitzThey operate of a loss of about 17m (last Q)Feb 10 22:52
schestowitzAssuming 17k per employee per quarter this would make sense.Feb 10 22:52
mib_nky77aay...Feb 10 22:53
schestowitz"net loss of $17.9 millio"Feb 10 22:54
schestowitz2008Q4: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/...Feb 10 22:54
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mib_nky77aIll have a look on that one, pressume ive missed thatFeb 10 22:54
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schestowitzTexas Judge Forces Topix To Unveil Info About Anonymous Commenters < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902... >Feb 10 22:56
schestowitzmib_nky77a: I have much more info in case it's required. The unfortunate thing about the press is that it's afraid to criticise. It's not good for advertising.Feb 10 22:56
schestowitzWhy sing when you can sue? http://techdirt.com/articles/200... (Michael Jackson and Rihanna Both Get Sued Over a 1972 Tune)Feb 10 22:57
MinceRthey can sing?Feb 10 22:58
MinceR(ok, i don't know who rihanna is)Feb 10 22:58
schestowitzNice caricature: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Caption...Feb 10 23:00
schestowitzMinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjBrsXhAvcUFeb 10 23:00
*MinceR goes with the hypothesis that she can; and goes back to Stardust - Music Sounds Better With YouFeb 10 23:02
MinceR:)Feb 10 23:02
schestowitz*LOL*Feb 10 23:02
MinceRnice caricatureFeb 10 23:02
schestowitzAquaFeb 10 23:02
twitterOh my.  Is there any truth to this?  http://www.dailytech.com/Source+Apple+...Feb 10 23:03
twitterThat Apple managed to keep multi touch off the G1?Feb 10 23:04
schestowitzApplesoft?Feb 10 23:04
schestowitzMicrosoft has 10,000 patents now, it claims.Feb 10 23:04
twitterPatent and legal threats from Apple.Feb 10 23:04
schestowitzMaybe bind them to another OOXML-esque pile of rubbishFeb 10 23:04
schestowitzMethod for paging up and down....Feb 10 23:04
MinceRso Big Brother Google is serving both m$ and crApple quite willinglyFeb 10 23:06
MinceR(relating to a patent crApple didn't even invent, no less)Feb 10 23:08
schestowitzIf we hadn't use cache, I reckon BN would do about 2 million hits today. Over 1 million, that's for sure, despite the downtimeFeb 10 23:09
schestowitzWe never had such numbers before.Feb 10 23:09
MinceRgnFeb 10 23:14
twitterWith Groklaw and Technocrat gone and Slashdot spammed to death, where else is a self respecting computer person to get their news?Feb 10 23:15
MinceRit's a narrow niche thoughFeb 10 23:15
MinceRi think we need another /., but this time for nerds, not for fanboysFeb 10 23:15
twitterhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...Feb 10 23:17
schestowitzOK. IETF got my comments.Feb 10 23:18
schestowitztwitter: seen that, thanks. Not the first... I'l do another post about FAA's miserable failu^HHHHHHHHHHH^H^H^H^H ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^! H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HFeb 10 23:19
schestowitzBackground on FAA and MS in: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/01/cr...Feb 10 23:20
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schestowitzCommentary: Hand Markopolos regulatory job and watch Harry give 'em hell < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/madoff-... >Feb 10 23:24
schestowitzMadoff Won’t Contest SEC Claims Under Partial Accord (Update2)  < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060... >Feb 10 23:24
schestowitzEnforcement Director to Leave SEC < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/ben... >. Ridiculous. They settle with this Massive Criminal instead of doing something decent like giving him chair or life in prison.Feb 10 23:25
twitterCriminal hones skills that may be useful in jail.  (Warning, you will need to wash eyes afterwards) http://i.gizmodo.com/5149330/the-guy-who-fd-up-...Feb 10 23:26
schestowitzYuckFeb 10 23:26
schestowitzI think it's Allchin the criminal, no?Feb 10 23:26
schestowitzI haven't lookedFeb 10 23:26
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twitterdon't lookFeb 10 23:28
schestowitzVista Capable plaintiffs subpoena PC titans < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.... >Feb 10 23:28
twitterdamage control http://www.informationweek.com/news/sec...Feb 10 23:29
schestowitz"Other notable names on the list include Intel and former Windows chief Jim  Allchin"Feb 10 23:29
schestowitzHe thinks he ran away from the abuses, eh? As Cringely said, many guilty Microsoft execs simply run away to Washington's suburbs and priaries, hoping that they past deeds won't haunt them.Feb 10 23:29
twitterthey deny Windows worm downed French aviators.Feb 10 23:29
schestowitztwitter: to hell with themFeb 10 23:29
schestowitzMicrosoft was caught lying a lot... I document where I can.Feb 10 23:29
schestowitzMS says white.. then it grey at best and black at worstFeb 10 23:29
schestowitz"We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger….If you’re going to killFeb 10 23:30
schestowitzsomeone, there isn’t much reason to get all worked up about it and angry. YouFeb 10 23:30
schestowitzjust pull the trigger. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We needFeb 10 23:30
schestowitzto smile at Novell while we pull the trigger."Feb 10 23:30
schestowitz --Jim Allchin, MicrosoftFeb 10 23:30
schestowitz"I am convinced we have to use Windows – this is the one thing they don’t have.Feb 10 23:30
schestowitzWe have to be competitive with features, but we need something more — WindowsFeb 10 23:30
schestowitzintegration."Feb 10 23:30
schestowitz --Jim Allchin, MicrosoftFeb 10 23:30
schestowitz"I don’t understand how IE is going to win. The current path is simply to copyFeb 10 23:30
schestowitzeverything that Netscape does packaging and product wise."Feb 10 23:30
schestowitz --Jim Allchin, MicrosoftFeb 10 23:30
schestowitz"We should dedicate a cross-group team to come up with ways to leverage WindowsFeb 10 23:30
schestowitztechnically more."Feb 10 23:30
schestowitz --Jim Allchin, MicrosoftFeb 10 23:30
schestowitz"I feel we are much too smug in dealing with Novell. Perhaps they didn’t hurtFeb 10 23:30
schestowitzus in DOS yet — but it’s not because of product or their trying. It’s becauseFeb 10 23:30
schestowitzwe already had the OEMs wrapped up."Feb 10 23:30
schestowitz --Jim Allchin, MicrosoftFeb 10 23:30
schestowitz"LH [Longhorn] is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem. If we areFeb 10 23:30
schestowitzto rise to the challenge of Linux..."Feb 10 23:30
schestowitz --Jim Allchin, MicrosoftFeb 10 23:30
twitter#16 on the list.Feb 10 23:31
schestowitzHere's a classic about the felon's departure:Feb 10 23:31
schestowitzhttp://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6154171.html "Sitting behind a one-way mirror, a white-haired man [Allchin] struggles to  access a shared music library within Windows Vista. "I'm lost," he says. "I'm in trouble here." "Feb 10 23:31
schestowitzhttp://www.nature.com/climate/2009/09... "Amanda Leigh Mascarelli looks at how far our understanding of climate change has come in the past twelve months."Feb 10 23:34
twitterAcer ships XP only netbook to US.  Disappointing http://www.betanews.com/article/Acer_ships_upda...Feb 10 23:35
twitterthat's OEM wrapup.Feb 10 23:36
schestowitzUSFeb 10 23:36
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schestowitzCollusion + pressure tacticsFeb 10 23:36
twitterthe result, however, is failFeb 10 23:36
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schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclie...Feb 10 23:37
twitterOEMs that don't go with low cost systems are going to eat it.  Windows is not low cost.Feb 10 23:37
schestowitztwitter: in case you are interested.. because we wrote about this. Some evidence came up in IRC too, not just reports but also ones from the groundFeb 10 23:37
schestowitzASUS too: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1...Feb 10 23:38
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schestowitzHow S.M.A.R.T. are your disks? < http://www.linuxinsight.com/how-sma... >Feb 10 23:41
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schestowitzThis is good: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php...Feb 10 23:43
schestowitzThe Microsoft "TE" term has been popularised once the Jame P AstroTurf material had been exposed :-)Feb 10 23:43
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schestowitzHehe. LinuxToday used my headline from Digg: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3...Feb 10 23:49
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schestowitzTroll headline -> http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9441Feb 10 23:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-pub-quizFeb 10 23:54
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schestowitzharles-H. Schulz. writes: "The second concern is the one of the freedom and the integrity of the Internet. But this issue is perhaps best embodied by the name of one Microsoft’s technology: Silverlight. I should rather call it Silverlight and open standards."Feb 10 23:57
schestowitz"Just like with OOXML, Microsoft sometimes seems to have issues with open standards on the web. And instead of focusing on how to build and keep the Internet open, it tries every trick in the book to have people deploy and use its Flash-like technology, Silverlight. Silverlight is actually much more than Adobe’s Flash, and while Flash is also problematic to the Internet itself, Silverlight benefits from Microsoft’s own platformFeb 10 23:57
schestowitz’s ubiquity to spread quickly. The rest of the strategy seems to include the heavy pressure or payment for well-known web sites and media services to migrate to Silverlight.Feb 10 23:57
schestowitzThe problem with this of course, is that no matter what the extravagant Mr De Icaza will say or do, Silverlight is not multi-platform (running it on Linux is a pain at best) and that it truly locks users away while transforming the Internet into a multimedia delivery service where Microsoft is the sole technology provider and the content comes from major media industry players. "Feb 10 23:57
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