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jose__to stop mono/etc bug reports in their tracksFeb 13 16:55
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jose__leaving mono around is like leaving options around.. it doesn't hurt supposedlyFeb 13 16:55
schestowitzBTW, I have most of the future texts in http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde... along with PDFs (+OCR). Next, I intend to get full text of all PDFs there.Feb 13 16:56
schestowitzIf you want to have a look with me, that would help a lotFeb 13 16:56
jose__but it does because not taking a stand makes it much easier for the mono to spreadFeb 13 16:56
jose__and infestFeb 13 16:56
schestowitzIt's the story of Microsoft assassinatng NetPC with FUD and corruptible analysts, as told by internal correspondence.Feb 13 16:56
jose__and it means a lot more users are likely to develop ties with any given mono appFeb 13 16:56
schestowitzI don't think the pres captured the real story at the time because it did not have those Comes exhibitsFeb 13 16:57
schestowitzI should also write about Monilight[sic]Feb 13 16:57
schestowitzNew York plane crash.....Feb 13 16:58
jose__so are you saying that those pdfs on that page are mostly transcribed but not totally?Feb 13 16:58
jose__what ny plane crashFeb 13 16:59
schestowitzhttp://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/13...Feb 13 16:59
jose__is it april 1Feb 13 16:59
jose__let me read itFeb 13 16:59
schestowitzjose__: yes, I have just portions of the text. There's OCR.. just needs completion and proofrading.Feb 13 16:59
jose__ok, i'll start from the bottom up and email you when doneFeb 13 17:00
jose__with a pdfFeb 13 17:00
schestowitzIt wasn't long ago that a plane landed in a Nr river, no?Feb 13 17:00
schestowitzWas it NY also?Feb 13 17:00
jose__the pilot became a heroFeb 13 17:00
schestowitzMaybe their quality control is declining just lime the airlines industryFeb 13 17:00
jose__everyone wanted to thank him and talk to himFeb 13 17:01
schestowitzThey cut corners maybeFeb 13 17:01
jose__supposedly it was experience/skill that saved everyone on boardFeb 13 17:01
schestowitzWith planes in half/quarter capacity, the costs of new components (lifecycyle) outweigh other standards.Feb 13 17:01
schestowitzWhen I come to think of it, this erodes confidence in planes and could do even WORSE damage to the airlines industry worldwide.Feb 13 17:02
jose__>> CNN has listened to a tape of communications between air traffic control and the flight crew. The first officer was calm. The plane was cleared for approach. About two minutes later, the air traffic controller came back, his voice full of stress. Radar contact was lost.Feb 13 17:02
schestowitzWhich in turn causes even more harm to the industry of production, quality control, etc.Feb 13 17:03
jose__never mindFeb 13 17:03
schestowitzSome people whom I know from the gym have it as a full-time job to just inspect planes. That can't be cheapFeb 13 17:03
jose__i thought maybe the prob was originated from traffic controllerFeb 13 17:03
jose__but apparently they panicked once they saw the plane blip disappear ..or something like thatFeb 13 17:03
schestowitzThat's like 2 in a monthFeb 13 17:04
schestowitzIn one city?Feb 13 17:04
schestowitzNot good..Feb 13 17:04
jose__per plane maybe another staff member ??Feb 13 17:04
jose__and of all cities, tooFeb 13 17:04
jose__ny has had funding provsFeb 13 17:05
jose__probsFeb 13 17:05
jose__financial industry hit hard means ny hit hardFeb 13 17:05
jose__tax revenues have been reported to have gone donwFeb 13 17:05
jose__private sector must be bas as wellFeb 13 17:05
schestowitzI wonder how they pay rent these daysFeb 13 17:05
schestowitzRent must come down.Feb 13 17:05
schestowitzbalzac lives and work in NYCFeb 13 17:06
jose__rent has come down everywhereFeb 13 17:06
schestowitzworksFeb 13 17:06
jose__well, in some big citiesFeb 13 17:06
balzacyoFeb 13 17:06
schestowitzGot the news yet?Feb 13 17:06
jose__not sure what is their unemply numberFeb 13 17:06
balzacwhat news?Feb 13 17:06
schestowitzScroll upFeb 13 17:06
jose__if you have money/skill and you lose job, you can move.. or at least keep spending for a whileFeb 13 17:07
schestowitzjose__: 5 years can be a long "while"Feb 13 17:08
schestowitzIt's not a seasonal droughtFeb 13 17:08
balzachow far to scroll up?Feb 13 17:08
schestowitzIt can also be permanent for old empires, including European ones and countries like Iceland that used to enjoy themselvesFeb 13 17:08
schestowitzbalzac: http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/13...Feb 13 17:08
balzacI read about that last night in the wee hoursFeb 13 17:09
balzacI was prepared for the worst when the plane crash-landed in the Hudson. I heard about it by text message and was very pleasantly surprised. Too bad there was nothing miraculous about this latest crash.Feb 13 17:11
schestowitzWhen two datapoints appear so closely, what prevents a third?Feb 13 17:13
jose__http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/13/plane...Feb 13 17:13
schestowitzRemember why Concordes were grounded...Feb 13 17:13
jose__She was traveling to Buffalo for a weekend celebration of what would have been her husband's 58th birthday, according to the Buffalo News -- the first news agency to report her presence on the fatal flight.Feb 13 17:13
jose__>>Feb 13 17:14
jose__>> Friends, relatives and acquaintances were shocked to hear the news that Beverly Eckert, the widow of a September 11 victim, was aboard the Continental flight to Buffalo, New York, that crashed Thursday night.Feb 13 17:14
schestowitz*gasp*Feb 13 17:14
schestowitz" 9/11 widow among Buffalo flight victims"Feb 13 17:14
schestowitzhttp://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/afri... "A Russian heavy missile cruiser stopped three pirate ships off the coast of Somalia, and detained 10 pirates, according to a statement released Friday by Russian Navy headquarters in Moscow."Feb 13 17:15
schestowitzREAL pirates... not the ones whom the MAFIAA labels "pirates"Feb 13 17:16
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jose__what was the bounty on these guys' headsFeb 13 17:16
schestowitzIn Soviet Russia, cruiser downloads pirates Feb 13 17:17
jose__i heard the BSA picked up 3 pirates onboard the russian cruisers afterwardsFeb 13 17:17
jose__http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/12...Feb 13 17:18
jose__that could be political or notFeb 13 17:18
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/bus... ( The recession's unexpected winners )Feb 13 17:19
schestowitzThere's too much press about Microsoft looking for someone else to blame for their bad engineeringFeb 13 17:19
jose__did i miss the Linux OS column?Feb 13 17:20
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/te... (I've seen like 12 articles like this one.... it's like MS PR... go Microsoft! Catch the bad guys, never mind if Windows is a POS for being so easy to hijack)Feb 13 17:20
schestowitz" Kindness will help economy, homeless woman's rescuer says"Feb 13 17:21
schestowitzThat's a way of saying... forget about your rights, about freedoms... live in fear and gloom while "us elites" at Merill Lynch receive  $3 billion in bonuses paid _by you_ (tax money -> bailout)Feb 13 17:22
jose__it would be nice (assuming it were true) to see "Linux sales increased X during recession" appear in a feature mainstream articleFeb 13 17:22
schestowitzPeople should not accept this abuse... there's no change coming.Feb 13 17:22
jose__the fed gov is very powerfulFeb 13 17:22
schestowitzjose__: Linux is not sold, it's distributedFeb 13 17:22
jose__in theoryFeb 13 17:22
schestowitzIt's like saying "more water was sold"Feb 13 17:22
schestowitz"Water sales have increased..." well, with Linux there's no limit, either, unlike natural resourcesFeb 13 17:23
schestowitzThe next big wars might be over waterFeb 13 17:23
balzac<@schestowitz> In Soviet Russia, cruiser downloads pirates:  hehehFeb 13 17:24
schestowitzNot just global warning which is a lot to do with water tooFeb 13 17:24
jose__recovering "gracefully" from the pickle the financial industry got itself inFeb 13 17:24
jose__is what the us is tryingFeb 13 17:24
schestowitzLet me find a vidFeb 13 17:24
jose__greed has no end, but i am hoping that the bailout will have a positive effect or at least keep a problem from getting worseFeb 13 17:25
jose__the feds can always react differently in the future if things don't pan outFeb 13 17:26
schestowitzSkip 1 minutes into this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7... The guy sounds like an ass, but it makes some valid pointFeb 13 17:26
balzacevery time the ultra-wealthly slip a little bit in their death-grip around the throats of the working-poor, there is some intervention on behalf of the ultra-wealthy.Feb 13 17:26
jose__i do worry we are being taken for a ride, but i'm waiting for nowFeb 13 17:26
jose__it's the federal governments moneyFeb 13 17:27
schestowitzMoney?Feb 13 17:27
schestowitzThey have no moneyFeb 13 17:27
schestowitzThey have 11tr in debt.Feb 13 17:27
jose__what i mean isFeb 13 17:27
balzacwhat is the most juicy 3d desktop for gnu/linux without any trash code from Novell in it?Feb 13 17:27
jose__that they could inflate the currencyFeb 13 17:27
jose__and that would be one way to wipe out debt/debtorsFeb 13 17:27
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schestowitzbalzac: Looking Glass?Feb 13 17:28
balzaclooking into itFeb 13 17:28
jose__kde4 might have drawn some of the 3d desktop folksFeb 13 17:29
jose__?Feb 13 17:29
jose__looking glass is all java i thinkFeb 13 17:29
jose__there is mantese or somethingFeb 13 17:29
silentivmmetisseFeb 13 17:29
silentivmbut I've never tried it, I have long given up on 3D desktopsFeb 13 17:30
schestowitzNovell is a root: http://smspillaz.googlepages.co...Feb 13 17:30
balzaccompost fusionFeb 13 17:31
balzacjkFeb 13 17:31
schestowitzI used metisse with my Mandriva Live CDFeb 13 17:31
silentivmI never cared for 3D effectsFeb 13 17:31
jose__thanks silentivm i always always forget thatFeb 13 17:31
silentivm:DFeb 13 17:31
balzacthere are cases where 3d interfaces could make some things more efficientFeb 13 17:32
balzacbut I would have to be in charge of designing itFeb 13 17:33
balzaclooks like compiz is mostly just decorative, not actually very usefulFeb 13 17:33
silentivmit was nice to show to "Linux has no GUI" trollsFeb 13 17:33
jose__yesFeb 13 17:34
balzacyeah, but I just can dig Novell's offeringsFeb 13 17:34
jose__balzac  you could always design on paper (explanations or drawings) and submit thatFeb 13 17:34
balzacno Ballnux for BalzacFeb 13 17:34
balzacjose__: nobody will get itFeb 13 17:35
jose__yeah, i thought you weren't being seriousFeb 13 17:35
balzacuntil they get it and then I'll be like, alright there goes another fine idea...Feb 13 17:35
jose__:-)Feb 13 17:35
balzacI should be the CEO of Hewlitt PackardFeb 13 17:36
balzacIf that PR-hack Carly Fiorini could be CEO of a venerable IT company like HP, I could crush every other company in the world like Genghis KhanFeb 13 17:36
balzacI'm using an new HP and it has a "club hp" button on itFeb 13 17:37
balzaca row of buttons for email, search, help, and I don't know what elseFeb 13 17:37
schestowitzSounds like their thinkingFeb 13 17:37
schestowitzNot collaborating.Feb 13 17:37
schestowitz" crush every other company in the world"Feb 13 17:38
balzaccrappy little buttons which you hit instead of tab, caps-lock ,shift, ctrlFeb 13 17:38
schestowitzInnovation by Crushing(R)Feb 13 17:38
balzacRoy, I'm just saying if I were CEO of a company like HP, there would be big changesFeb 13 17:38
silentivmbalzac, can't you remap them to other functions?Feb 13 17:38
schestowitzCan you imagine the kindergarten equivalent?Feb 13 17:38
balzacMicrosoft would be immediately wiped outFeb 13 17:38
silentivmI use xmodmap to bind all the multimedia keys of this keyboard to useful featuresFeb 13 17:38
balzacsilentivm: these buttons aren't worth having at allFeb 13 17:38
schestowitzA lot of companies like HP are /already/ paid for by the publicFeb 13 17:39
balzacI'd pry them out with a knife if I was going to be stuck with this keyboardFeb 13 17:39
silentivmif properly bound, they can be useful, IMHOFeb 13 17:39
schestowitzThey are paid to make some 'electted l33ts' rich by design and selectionFeb 13 17:39
silentivmI used to pry the Power/Sleep/WakeUp keys from keyboardsFeb 13 17:39
schestowitzLike the Gateses and their government friends who gave monopolies and helpFeb 13 17:39
schestowitzMandriva picks up all the multimedia keysFeb 13 17:40
schestowitzAbout 15 of themFeb 13 17:40
silentivmhmmmFeb 13 17:40
jose__does the latest mandriva use beryl (ie, is beryl the default "top eye candy")?Feb 13 17:42
jose__from twitter's slashdot submissionFeb 13 17:45
jose__>> Microsoft said it will share the lessons it learns from its own stores with other retailers.Feb 13 17:45
jose__!Feb 13 17:45
jose__I almost can't believe they said that (w/a straight face)Feb 13 17:46
jose__I'm sure they will sell the lesser or incorrect lessonsFeb 13 17:46
jose__they'll share like they share OS design with LinuxFeb 13 17:47
balzacSun's 3d desktop requires javaFeb 13 17:47
schestowitzYesFeb 13 17:47
balzacI don't like Sun's licensing ofjavaFeb 13 17:47
schestowitzThey have Ubuntu binariesFeb 13 17:47
schestowitzOr "had"Feb 13 17:47
balzacSun is quite annoyingFeb 13 17:47
schestowitzI haven't heard about it in like a yearFeb 13 17:47
silentivmLooking Glass was painfully SLOW here the last time I triedFeb 13 17:47
PetoKraus* [PetoKraus] (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus): Peter KrausFeb 13 17:47
PetoKrausshinyyyy :DFeb 13 17:47
schestowitzMinceR hates SunFeb 13 17:47
silentivmthe type of thing which you can't use without lots of painFeb 13 17:47
balzacThey need to find everyone within their company who thinks like Carly Fiorini and fire them.Feb 13 17:47
balzacand then let all the old unix farts know they are now to bow to the gnuFeb 13 17:48
balzacdry your tears about the demise of proprietary unixFeb 13 17:48
schestowitzBritain should prepare for massive loss of landmass, warn engineers < http://www.guardian.co.uk/enviro... >Feb 13 17:49
jose__what's the highest mountain there?Feb 13 17:49
schestowitzSome islands will disappear, leaving angry refugeesFeb 13 17:49
PetoKraushahFeb 13 17:49
schestowitzOr worse, they might be flooded without warning.Feb 13 17:49
PetoKrausjose__: i believe it's ben nevisFeb 13 17:49
PetoKraus1310Feb 13 17:49
jose__what's the tallest buildingFeb 13 17:50
schestowitzMaybe us humans can evolve fast enough to grow gills.Feb 13 17:50
balzacwe should throw the climate-change deniers into the waterFeb 13 17:50
balzacjkFeb 13 17:50
PetoKrausi'm going skiing there next weekFeb 13 17:50
PetoKrauswhee :)Feb 13 17:50
PetoKrausjose__: no ideaFeb 13 17:50
schestowitzjose__: building?Feb 13 17:50
balzacActually, put Anne Coulter, Limbaugh, Bush in a compound on an ice-shelf in Antarctica. When it melts, tough sh!t.Feb 13 17:50
jose__alright 1310 is sufficientFeb 13 17:50
balzaccheney tooFeb 13 17:50
schestowitzDo you have in mind going to building waiting for the next "Ice era"?Feb 13 17:51
PetoKraus1344 actuallyFeb 13 17:51
PetoKraus1310 is where the ski resort thing endsFeb 13 17:51
schestowitzWhat about crops?Feb 13 17:51
schestowitzAnd Belgium/Holland?Feb 13 17:51
jose__i don't live thereFeb 13 17:51
jose__we have more land over hereFeb 13 17:51
PetoKrauswell the problem isFeb 13 17:51
jose__of course not in floridaFeb 13 17:51
schestowitzI'm finding these links in FOSS blogs, which shows that awareness roseFeb 13 17:51
jose__flat landFeb 13 17:51
schestowitzjose__: isn't it true that parts of Florida is made by grafting land?Feb 13 17:52
PetoKrausIMechE said that sea levels are predicted to rise by 2m by 2250 and 7m by the end of that century.Feb 13 17:52
PetoKrausthat's not muchFeb 13 17:52
PetoKraus50cm is enough to flood half of netherlandsFeb 13 17:52
schestowitzThe amount of energy it takes to 'level' up continents leads to even more pollution.Feb 13 17:52
schestowitzA bit like ethanol requiring more energy to process than it eventually givesFeb 13 17:52
jose__what percentage of florida land was dumped from elsewehre.. i don't know but it must be negligible when you look at the whole stateFeb 13 17:52
PetoKrauswell literally everything creates pollutionFeb 13 17:53
schestowitzOr the burning of foods to make energy (how dumb an idea)Feb 13 17:53
PetoKrausit's actually notFeb 13 17:53
schestowitzjose__: miamiFeb 13 17:53
jose__yesFeb 13 17:53
schestowitzMy cousins tols meFeb 13 17:53
PetoKrausmost of the foods you burn are either grown on lands which are unsuitable for arable farmingFeb 13 17:53
schestowitzCheck what number of cm you can spare before house goes under waterFeb 13 17:54
PetoKrausor smaller part is from fungus-riddled cropsFeb 13 17:54
PetoKrausschestowitz: i don't need to. It's enough for me to start worrying when we'll lose BrightonFeb 13 17:54
jose__new orleans have leveesFeb 13 17:54
jose__http://www.google.com/search?q=levees&am...Feb 13 17:54
jose__hasFeb 13 17:55
schestowitzHoly cr.. http://elchackal.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/hu...Feb 13 17:55
PetoKraushahFeb 13 17:56
schestowitzAs the economy recedes, the pressure for FOI should grow < http://www.yrtk.org/2009/as-the-economy-... > Aww.Feb 13 17:58
schestowitzMy dad reckons the economic collapse hasn't happened yet, but I don't know what he read/heardFeb 13 17:59
PetoKrauswellFeb 13 17:59
PetoKrausi dunno butFeb 13 17:59
schestowitzA friend of mine from the gym thinks the banks will collapse later.. not the just keep quietFeb 13 17:59
PetoKrausscotland is holding off pretty wellFeb 13 17:59
schestowitzYesFeb 13 17:59
PetoKrauscouple of shops closed, yesFeb 13 17:59
schestowitzCompariblyFeb 13 17:59
PetoKrausbut the prices are quite low stillFeb 13 17:59
schestowitz*prarablyFeb 13 17:59
PetoKrauswhat's quite annoying, €vs€£ is getting better for pountFeb 13 18:00
PetoKraus*dFeb 13 18:00
PetoKraus(annoying for us, funded by €)Feb 13 18:00
schestowitz"IMechE said that sea levels are predicted to rise by 2m by 2250 and 7m by the end of that century."Feb 13 18:00
PetoKrausyeah, i quoted that awhile ago ;)Feb 13 18:00
PetoKrausthe difference makes as much as €£15 a dayFeb 13 18:01
PetoKrausi guess I should move my money from slovakia...Feb 13 18:01
schestowitzLOL http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/1206076038 "glynmoody: What?!? TweetDeck is currently eating up a gig of RAM on this Ubuntu system...anyone else getting that?"Feb 13 18:01
PetoKrausand hope that the €£ will keep risingFeb 13 18:02
schestowitzSame here.Feb 13 18:03
PetoKrausmonday solves.Feb 13 18:03
schestowitzWhich currencies will sink.. who knows?Feb 13 18:03
schestowitzI wonder how Iceland is doingFeb 13 18:03
PetoKraushahFeb 13 18:03
jose__>> The TPA report, which contains figures for every council in the country, can be read in full here. It shows a 22 per cent increase in the number of staff receiving remuneration packages of over €£50,000 a year. All this in the context of a recession, when taxpayers are cutting back or losing their jobs.Feb 13 18:03
jose__>> Ultimately, as Obama knows, public sector elitism and freedom of information are part of the same debate. Full and easy disclosure, by breaking down the barriers to information, enables greater scrutiny across the private and public sectors so that there can be greater equality and efficiency of state action. In scrutiny is accountability and in accountability is better government.Feb 13 18:03
jose__linux would gainFeb 13 18:04
schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentl... "Remember last week when a MarketWatch writer suggested the Madoff whistleblower, Harry Markopolos, should be handed the Securities and Exchange Commission chairmanship? "Feb 13 18:04
schestowitztwitter: for failurelog: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft... Woman sues Microsoft over Vista to XP 'downgrade' feeFeb 13 18:06
schestowitz"She's seeking class action status for her complaint."Feb 13 18:06
PetoKraushmmFeb 13 18:07
PetoKrausi find it quite retarded to apply for a job with LloydsFeb 13 18:07
PetoKrauswhen there's a chance I'm going to sue themFeb 13 18:07
schestowitzhttp://media.scenedaily.com/do...Feb 13 18:10
schestowitzBanks?Feb 13 18:10
schestowitzWhy would you want to work for them?Feb 13 18:10
PetoKrausneed €£€£Feb 13 18:10
schestowitzLet them die peacefully.Feb 13 18:10
PetoKrausand they have evening callcentre jobFeb 13 18:10
schestowitzGo to a job that has prospects.Feb 13 18:10
PetoKrausnoFeb 13 18:10
schestowitzOKFeb 13 18:11
PetoKrausi need money, for prospects there are placements in the summerFeb 13 18:11
PetoKraus:)Feb 13 18:11
PetoKrausthere was this funny placement applicationFeb 13 18:11
PetoKrausfor British EnergyFeb 13 18:11
schestowitzOh, short term, well, then go for itFeb 13 18:11
PetoKrausin Hartpool or where is the Nuke power plantFeb 13 18:11
PetoKrausdoing some database management.... I might quite like itFeb 13 18:12
PetoKraus*HartlepoolFeb 13 18:12
schestowitzMysql?Feb 13 18:12
schestowitzSurely PHP-NukeFeb 13 18:12
PetoKraus:)Feb 13 18:12
PetoKrausno ideaFeb 13 18:13
PetoKrausbut they want someone computer-literate with scientific backgroundFeb 13 18:13
schestowitzMummy.. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/02/12/...Feb 13 18:14
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schestowitz"Charter Communications Inc, which is controlled by Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen, will file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection by 1 April after striking a deal with senior debt holders yesterday." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... Will CNET be next? Paul Allen invested in them too and it's very pro-MSFeb 13 18:18
schestowitzMicrosoft's pleas for bailout are signs that it's likely still a con artist, in terms of finances.Feb 13 18:19
trmancowhat happens when I check "public terminal" on the slashdot login?Feb 13 18:23
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PetoKraustrmanco: it won't cookie you?Feb 13 18:23
PetoKrausanywayFeb 13 18:23
PetoKrausoff to movies ;)Feb 13 18:23
schestowitzHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... cookie.Feb 13 18:24
*zer0c00l advices schestowitz not to drink too much coffee :P (Hmmmmmmmmmmm)Feb 13 18:26
trmancoPetoKraus, I have no ideaFeb 13 18:27
schestowitzzer0c00l: I drink teas these daysFeb 13 18:28
zer0c00l:DFeb 13 18:29
schestowitzCoff33 makea m3 j9tteryFeb 13 18:29
schestowitzIan slams The Register: http://ianmurdock.com/2009/01/28/...Feb 13 18:31
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twitterThe Register has not been good for a while.  Way too forgiving of M$ and less investigative than they were a few years ago.Feb 13 18:33
schestowitzGreat chart here: http://www.cringely.com/2009/02/wa...Feb 13 18:34
schestowitzMust SEEFeb 13 18:34
schestowitztwitter: yes, I hear from people that The Register sold out to Microsoft. They also have Microsoft-sympathetic writers among their staffFeb 13 18:35
schestowitzLook at CItigroupFeb 13 18:36
schestowitzOld Code and Old Licenses < http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/old_... >Feb 13 18:37
schestowitzLightning talk: Linux defenders a.k.a. Open Invention Network - Keith Bergelt < http://lxer.com/module/newswire... >Feb 13 18:42
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twittera friend is looking for stock images.  Where do you get yours?Feb 13 18:43
schestowitzhttp://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/i... "Hence my suggestion of a separate mailing list. If the only list mentioned in the LC is "ietf-comments", I think people are not likely to find "ietf" on their own."Feb 13 18:44
schestowitzhttp://www.ietf.org/mail-archiv...Feb 13 18:45
schestowitzHehe. Their list got floodedFeb 13 18:45
schestowitzComplaints about those patentsFeb 13 18:45
schestowitzhttp://www.ietf.org/mail-archiv... http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/we...Feb 13 18:46
schestowitztwitter: http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtmlFeb 13 18:46
twitterthanksFeb 13 18:48
schestowitzHehe. Watch the comments: http://microsoftontheissues.com/cs/blogs/m...Feb 13 18:48
schestowitzMicrosoft gets told the truth in its own public corruption (affairs) blogFeb 13 18:48
jose__roy, i worry a bit about noel's idea and noelFeb 13 18:48
jose__it's reasonable to have more than one listFeb 13 18:48
jose__but to think a small number would man that list means you might end up with a certain amount of censoringFeb 13 18:49
jose__by defaultFeb 13 18:49
jose__who decides what are "novel" ideas?Feb 13 18:49
jose__anyway, if the list was accessible to many, then many might look at itFeb 13 18:49
jose__noel is actually one that probably just wants peaceFeb 13 18:50
jose__the circles contrasting the market cap changed of the financial companies is the sort of thing that i imagine wall street loves to show off.. deception plays big.. show off the lies while you place your bets.Feb 13 18:53
schestowitzCon artistsFeb 13 18:56
schestowitzJust watch that MS site with the comments... they lie and hope that people will be stupid to buy itFeb 13 18:56
schestowitz'"She said Dish shares have been battered by a satellite launch failure, the loss of an AT&T contract and a lawsuit over patents held buy TiVo Inc. ''If any one of these issues reverses, the share price could move upward,'' she told clients in a note. ' http://cbs4denver.com/businesswir...Feb 13 18:57
jose__how much do i have to pay to get Congress to hear me out?Feb 13 18:57
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schestowitzjose__: let me checkFeb 13 18:59
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jose__:-)Feb 13 18:59
schestowitzWhat's the name of Obama's wife?Feb 13 18:59
schestowitzIt escaped me.Feb 13 18:59
jose__ummFeb 13 18:59
jose__michelleFeb 13 18:59
jose__not sure how to spell itFeb 13 18:59
jose__i thinkFeb 13 18:59
schestowitzLet me wikiItFeb 13 18:59
schestowitzMivhelleFeb 13 19:00
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ObamaFeb 13 19:00
schestowitzMichelleFeb 13 19:00
schestowitzHere: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/07/mi...Feb 13 19:01
schestowitzLeakedFeb 13 19:01
schestowitz“The campaign is pushing most breakfast attendees to contribute the $2,300 amount.”Feb 13 19:01
schestowitz"Even if you have already contributed the $4,600 maximum, the campaign can now also accept up to $28,500 per person through the Obama Victory Fund -the National Democratic Party’s Presidential campaign fund."Feb 13 19:01
schestowitzWelcome to the State of Bribery.Feb 13 19:01
jose__did you post that alreadyFeb 13 19:02
jose__ah, yes, from januaryFeb 13 19:02
schestowitzGuess what? Most of that $2300 isn't spent on omlette  and coffee :-DFeb 13 19:02
jose__i rememberFeb 13 19:02
schestowitzThat's also how Microsoft bribes analystsFeb 13 19:02
schestowitz"We'll pay you $300/hour to hive a talk"Feb 13 19:02
jose__there is a little bit left over for a rainy dayFeb 13 19:02
schestowitz*giveFeb 13 19:02
jose__*haveFeb 13 19:02
jose__if you can do both, why not hive a talkFeb 13 19:03
schestowitzEPO got its suffixed wrong. It should be .COM.Feb 13 19:04
schestowitzhttp://www2009.org/silver.html ""The European patent system also offers a high level of legal certainty, as European patents are only granted following an in-depth examination and a comprehensive novelty search based on a collection of over 60 million documents. For more information, visit www.epo.org."Feb 13 19:05
schestowitzIt's pro- and for-profit “Staff at the European Patent Office went on strike accusing the organization of corruption: specifically, stretching the standards for patents in order to make more money." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-o...Feb 13 19:05
schestowitzMarshall Phelps, Microsoft: “[The EPO] can’t distinguish between hardware and software so the patents get issued anyway."Feb 13 19:06
schestowitzIf the economy degrades, EPO should be among the first to go. In Denmark, examiners were already laid off.Feb 13 19:06
schestowitzThese are smart people. They should really learn or develop stuff rather than spend time granting people monopolies that do nothing but IMPEDE science.Feb 13 19:07
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schestowitzyo, zer0c00l Feb 13 19:14
schestowitzbac from FOSDEM?Feb 13 19:14
schestowitzOops. zoobab01 Feb 13 19:14
zer0c00lFOSDEM?Feb 13 19:15
zer0c00lokFeb 13 19:15
zer0c00lfor zoobab01Feb 13 19:15
schestowitzNo, wrong person, sorryFeb 13 19:15
zer0c00l:)Feb 13 19:15
schestowitzYes.Feb 13 19:15
zer0c00lyeah.....tea too  worksFeb 13 19:15
zer0c00l:DFeb 13 19:15
schestowitzAsus braces for layoffs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/9... >Feb 13 19:16
schestowitzGood picture here: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...Feb 13 19:17
balzacI just borked my installation with compizFeb 13 19:17
schestowitzWhat installation?Feb 13 19:18
jose__novel can be anythingFeb 13 19:18
jose__there are so many combinations possible of common thingsFeb 13 19:19
jose__never mind.......Feb 13 19:19
schestowitzall ideas are combinations.Feb 13 19:20
schestowitznovel="we believe this combination was not tried before"Feb 13 19:21
jose__>> we’ll share learnings from our stores with our existing retail and OEM partners that are critical to our successFeb 13 19:21
jose__to say that with a straight faceFeb 13 19:21
schestowitzVizio to Stop Selling Plasma TVs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159500/vizio_... >Feb 13 19:21
schestowitzjose__: hehe. Sounds Familiar? NotSoSure.Feb 13 19:22
schestowitzhttp://web.archive.org/web/200512301552...Feb 13 19:22
schestowitzTaken down due to patent extortion/threatFeb 13 19:22
jose__what was taken downFeb 13 19:23
schestowitzNow MS has a new spiel: Vista7 out by xmasFeb 13 19:23
schestowitz"just wait.. don't touch macs or Linux... we have another vista coming and we pay a lot of people to rave about it...."Feb 13 19:24
schestowitzjose__: the plugins was taken down by sw patent harrassmentFeb 13 19:24
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/21/t...Feb 13 19:25
schestowitzI wrote about this in ther.eFeb 13 19:25
schestowitzGood: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200...Feb 13 19:27
jose__i missed that one roy.. about the gimpFeb 13 19:28
jose__does pubat have a collection for fossFeb 13 19:29
jose__do youFeb 13 19:29
jose__anyway, what is really bad about monoFeb 13 19:29
schestowitzHuman rights committee calls Miliband and Smith for questioning over torture claims < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world... >Feb 13 19:29
jose__is that it's not a result that is stopped, because that could apply no matter how you make itFeb 13 19:29
jose__it's that no matter what you make (if ms patents appropriately) you will have a problemFeb 13 19:29
jose__you don't lose part of some applicationFeb 13 19:30
jose__you lose every part of every applicationFeb 13 19:30
jose__at least if ms did the patenting thing rightFeb 13 19:30
jose__and i don't think it's difficult at all (relatively) to get rightFeb 13 19:30
jose__i mean ms does have enough cash and developers and lawyersFeb 13 19:31
jose__and anger and fearFeb 13 19:31
schestowitzRMS: "Urgent Note: Boycott Kellogg's" http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov...Feb 13 19:31
schestowitzjose__: yes, agreedFeb 13 19:31
jose__fwiw, i don't do pot.. i get the impression the cost/benefit is not worthwhile.. then again, i avoid pain killers and a bunch more things as much as possible so i may not be the best judgeFeb 13 19:34
trmancojust 3 hours to 1234567890Feb 13 19:34
jose__ohFeb 13 19:34
jose__that's one of those moments that happens not too frequently, right?Feb 13 19:34
schestowitztrmanco: make popcornFeb 13 19:35
trmancojose__, yesFeb 13 19:35
jose__what's the "date" command that converts from seconds since epoch to human timeFeb 13 19:35
trmancoschestowitz, I might :-PFeb 13 19:35
silentivmjose__, date -d@<seconds>Feb 13 19:36
schestowitzjose__: firefox and waaabits will fly out of your computer if Linux is installed on it (or UNIX)Feb 13 19:36
zer0c00lgood nightFeb 13 19:36
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jose__he's probably going back to fosdem nowFeb 13 19:36
jose__j/kFeb 13 19:37
schestowitzNo, that'd be zoobab01 Feb 13 19:37
jose__date -d@0123456789 occurred in 1973Feb 13 19:37
schestowitz*LOL*Feb 13 19:38
schestowitzmicroslft.com is DOWNFeb 13 19:38
schestowitzAnd other MS sitesFeb 13 19:38
jose__ie, -d1234..9 or less occurred by 1974Feb 13 19:38
schestowitzIt would be funny if they got pwnedFeb 13 19:38
jose__placing the zero the right way....Feb 13 19:38
jose__popcornFeb 13 19:38
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taconehey schestowitzFeb 13 19:38
jose__too bad linux didn't do something bigger with thisFeb 13 19:38
schestowitztry it on your sideFeb 13 19:39
schestowitzhttp://microsoft .comFeb 13 19:39
taconeschestowitz: i posted a comment on your site, in the 12th feb linksFeb 13 19:39
schestowitztacone: thanks, I got itFeb 13 19:39
taconebut it got deleted. did you read it?Feb 13 19:39
taconeokFeb 13 19:39
schestowitzDeleted?Feb 13 19:39
taconeyeahFeb 13 19:39
taconehttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/12...Feb 13 19:39
taconeno prob. for me. I'd have said on irc but you were not here and I thought it was important.Feb 13 19:40
taconeguess it's just un-approved.Feb 13 19:40
taconeno need to approve it as long as you know the content.Feb 13 19:40
schestowitzI got this one: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/0...Feb 13 19:40
taconeschestowitz: just me posting on a page and recalling wrongFeb 13 19:41
taconelolFeb 13 19:41
schestowitzPhewFeb 13 19:41
tacone:-)Feb 13 19:41
schestowitzI hate it when something is claimed to be faultyFeb 13 19:41
taconeinteresting, isn't it ?Feb 13 19:41
schestowitz:-)Feb 13 19:41
taconeinteresting novell developed the desktop not the low level stuff.Feb 13 19:42
schestowitzYes, I saw Novlel involvment and was gona write about itFeb 13 19:42
taconeinteresting they didn't ask to canonicalFeb 13 19:42
schestowitzYesFeb 13 19:42
schestowitzDell has a patent deal with MS/Novell I reckonFeb 13 19:42
schestowitzThey 'joined' their dealFeb 13 19:42
taconecould be for MS sw integrationFeb 13 19:42
taconenovell has the exclusiveFeb 13 19:43
schestowitzMicrosoft is back onlineFeb 13 19:43
taconeand that could allow(novell) to leverage their license to do MS stuff to get some extra work.Feb 13 19:43
taconeso Dell makes a step out of Microsoft slavery, but they still have to stay under novell.Feb 13 19:44
schestowitzYes, good pointFeb 13 19:45
schestowitzlet me post about it in BNFeb 13 19:45
taconefurthermore, linux will be the booting process of windowsFeb 13 19:45
taconeworks like that:Feb 13 19:45
taconecomputer starts and boots linux in arm.Feb 13 19:45
twitterI wonder if Asus losses have anything to do with XP on EEEPCs.Feb 13 19:45
taconein the meant time windows 7 loads its libraries and virusesFeb 13 19:46
schestowitz /s/Linux/ballnux/Feb 13 19:46
tacone"ballnux" always make me lolFeb 13 19:46
schestowitzToday: Asus braces for layoffs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... >Feb 13 19:47
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schestowitzwb, Tallken Feb 13 19:47
Tallkenhi schestowitzFeb 13 19:47
schestowitzYouTube Goes Offline < http://www.youtube.com/blog?ent... >Feb 13 19:54
trmancoWindows 7 gets 0wN3d http://nudel.kelbv.com/W7E_VID_D...Feb 13 19:56
schestowitzIs that news?? :-DFeb 13 19:58
trmanconoFeb 13 19:58
trmancobut it is good for the trollsFeb 13 19:58
trmancoremember the rm -fr / with SU powers?Feb 13 19:59
trmancoon Linux, coreutils got updated and that "bug" if we can call it a bug, no longer worksFeb 13 19:59
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trmanconow they can shut up, they have a lot to worry aboutFeb 13 20:01
MinceRniceFeb 13 20:02
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trmancohttp://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatings...Feb 13 20:03
schestowitzYes, I got itFeb 13 20:04
schestowitzI'll post the PDF to BN later.Feb 13 20:04
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schestowitzhttp://wftlbytes.com/content/wf... "Interesting factoid about LJ and Bob Young. Does Bob still run Lulu?"Feb 13 20:09
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twitterah ha, " Asustek missed its low-cost Eee notebook computer [target]" http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_co...Feb 13 20:31
twitterthe price of M$ Partnership.Feb 13 20:31
twitter" Fourth-quarter Eee PC shipments of 1.4 million to 1.5 million were lower than the company's Oct. 30 target of 1.6 million to 1.8 million." Switched to XP, flunked out.Feb 13 20:32
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schestowitzSUN is corrupting the LAMP term: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/mai...Feb 13 20:33
twitter"Global computer shipments dropped 0.4 percent" - in other words, someone else took their marketFeb 13 20:33
schestowitzASUS could have invested in developing its unque platform further.Feb 13 20:33
schestowitzInstead it became "just another" sub-notebook vendor with thin margins it begs for from MicrosoftFeb 13 20:34
schestowitz"Global shipment..." Don't believe that.. I bet it's from the liars from IDC.. someone pays for fake numbersFeb 13 20:34
twitterCould be, but M$ and partner declines are in excess of that 0.4%.  M$ was in decline last year when PC shipments were up.Feb 13 20:37
twitterASUS did, indeed, blow it.Feb 13 20:37
schestowitzWindows down 11% according to the conartistsFeb 13 20:37
schestowitzI don't know the real numbers and nobody knows.Feb 13 20:38
twitterM$ will punish ASUS, even though they screwed themselves.Feb 13 20:38
schestowitzThey are a fierce business (Microsoft), they'll do what's good for MicrosoftFeb 13 20:38
schestowitzBut ASUS was stupid to allow a dependence on MicrosoftFeb 13 20:38
schestowitzLinux has no proprietor really.Feb 13 20:39
twitterThat's the funny thing about M$ threats.  M$ threatens.  Victim complies.  M$ punishes anyway.Feb 13 20:39
schestowitzHP was smart enough to OWN its OS... Ubuntu derivativeFeb 13 20:39
twitterYes, that's very smart but M$ can still punish them.Feb 13 20:39
schestowitzASUS needs to familiarise itself with Comes vs MicrosoftFeb 13 20:39
twitterEvery Windows dependency is bad news for those who have it.Feb 13 20:39
twitterbblFeb 13 20:40
balzacok, I made a quick recoveryFeb 13 20:45
balzacI had to purge compiz and reinstall the gnome desktopFeb 13 20:45
balzacthe mistake I made was installing compiz for the hell of it and enabling one effect after another until I had to recover from the command line because gnome-desktop-environment wouldn't even launchFeb 13 20:46
PetoKrauscompiz...Feb 13 20:47
schestowitzIt's prebaked into distrosFeb 13 20:47
PetoKraussome.Feb 13 20:47
schestowitzIt's actually very robust on here.Feb 13 20:48
PetoKrausyeah, i believe it isFeb 13 20:48
schestowitzAnd Novel/SUSE will give me flak for having it enabled (Madnriva  default)Feb 13 20:48
PetoKrausi'll just wait for DRI2Feb 13 20:48
PetoKrausso I can actually use some DRI application when i need it instead of fancy window managerFeb 13 20:48
schestowitzMy desktop is 8 dual-head spaces that surround meFeb 13 20:49
PetoKrauswhat GPU do you have?Feb 13 20:49
schestowitzXChat is on desktop 4 (convention)Feb 13 20:49
schestowitzNVIDIA 8600 something.Feb 13 20:49
PetoKrausahFeb 13 20:49
PetoKraususing the blob, eh? :PFeb 13 20:49
PetoKrausi managed to cramp all my IM onto one desktopFeb 13 20:50
PetoKrauspeople can't understand it when they see itFeb 13 20:50
schestowitzSomeone ought to sell prebuilt machines like thisFeb 13 20:50
PetoKrausand sometimes I think 2 workspaces for actual work are quite lowFeb 13 20:50
PetoKraus*not enoughFeb 13 20:50
schestowitzHaving people set up their own might scare them. But it's very user friendly. I can envision my grandparent using this thing without complaining.Feb 13 20:50
PetoKrausyeahFeb 13 20:51
PetoKrausyou've got 2 displays, right?Feb 13 20:51
PetoKrausi have heard that theoretically the drivers have support for 4 alreadyFeb 13 20:51
schestowitzYes, I could do with one, I guess, but for the past  years I've always used 2Feb 13 20:51
PetoKrausobviously, that needs SLI card or whateverFeb 13 20:51
schestowitz*past 8Feb 13 20:51
PetoKrausyeah... i can figure it's niceFeb 13 20:51
schestowitzThat's why I don't like working on other people's PCsFeb 13 20:52
PetoKrausi hate working with cinelerra on my laptopFeb 13 20:52
PetoKrausthough i don't have anything elseFeb 13 20:52
PetoKrausi could bloody use one screen just for the timeline :)Feb 13 20:52
schestowitzPetoKraus: I wanted to do triple, but I gave up on it (SLI)Feb 13 20:52
PetoKrausyupFeb 13 20:52
schestowitzSomeone in Manchester Computing does triple.Feb 13 20:52
PetoKrausthat makes interesting gaming experienceFeb 13 20:52
schestowitzIf it gives decent framerateFeb 13 20:52
PetoKrausespecially when you've got some games which do depth of fieldFeb 13 20:52
schestowitzIf you lower the res, then what's the pointFeb 13 20:53
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schestowitzdual for FPS is no goodFeb 13 20:53
PetoKrausyeahFeb 13 20:53
PetoKrausyeahFeb 13 20:53
schestowitzThe gun and target is right at the splitFeb 13 20:53
PetoKrauswellFeb 13 20:53
PetoKrausyou can use different-sized monitors :DFeb 13 20:53
schestowitzUnless you have one widescreenFeb 13 20:53
PetoKrausthat'd just kill the point :DFeb 13 20:53
schestowitzYes, you beat me to itFeb 13 20:53
schestowitzI do here.Feb 13 20:53
PetoKraushahFeb 13 20:54
schestowitzLet me run xplane if I can find itFeb 13 20:54
balzacwell, I didn't do anything crazy, I just made some configurations on the effectsFeb 13 20:54
PetoKrauswhat's xplane?Feb 13 20:54
balzacand it brought gnome-desktop down so that it wouldn't even launchFeb 13 20:54
schestowitzMS Flight Simulator is dead.Feb 13 20:54
schestowitzIts developers might actually manage to do something decent for society nowFeb 13 20:54
balzacnow I have to be productive for a while.Feb 13 20:54
PetoKrausbalzac: go on :)Feb 13 20:55
schestowitzWow, look how badly Silver Lie is doing: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/1009... (Charts)Feb 13 20:56
PetoKraushmm there seems to be an opensource MMORPGFeb 13 20:56
MinceRschestowitz: get 3 monitors then :>Feb 13 20:56
schestowitzNo wonder Novell needs the vassals/primates to help them out for cashFeb 13 20:56
MinceRor an odd number, anywayFeb 13 20:56
schestowitzMinceR: electricity billFeb 13 20:57
PetoKrausMinceR: yeah, you need SLI though for thatFeb 13 20:57
MinceR:)Feb 13 20:57
PetoKrausas most cards give you 2 outports only AFAIKFeb 13 20:57
schestowitzAlso, one is widescreen 24', so it's OKFeb 13 20:57
PetoKrausman, i really want to have this new Xorg stack released ASAPFeb 13 20:58
PetoKrausthey are doing such nice thingsFeb 13 20:58
PetoKraus(phoronix being the prime source of news)Feb 13 20:58
schestowitzLet's say that a 2nd display adds 30% to pace, then a third might help by 15% (made up figure) and a fourth another 7.5%...Feb 13 20:59
schestowitzSo it's not worth the money at some stage.Feb 13 20:59
PetoKrauspace?Feb 13 20:59
schestowitzProductivity/work paceFeb 13 20:59
PetoKrausahaFeb 13 20:59
PetoKrauswell i am glad I don't need to have multiple displaysFeb 13 21:00
PetoKrausdesktops are fineFeb 13 21:00
PetoKrausi'm gonna crash nowFeb 13 21:00
schestowitzhttp://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2... Feb 13 21:00
PetoKrauswellFeb 13 21:04
PetoKrausit needs to download updatesFeb 13 21:04
PetoKrausat AWFUL 220kB/sFeb 13 21:04
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schestowitzHi, rigwit Feb 13 21:09
rigwithelloFeb 13 21:09
schestowitzWhat's up?Feb 13 21:09
rigwitnotta, checking out the widget at the momentFeb 13 21:09
schestowitzPetoKraus: with good windows management you don't need multi-headFeb 13 21:10
PetoKrausyeahFeb 13 21:10
schestowitzIt also depends on what you do, e.g. CAD, data processing, gaming, etc.Feb 13 21:10
PetoKrausthere are things where it's needed thoughFeb 13 21:10
schestowitzI only need dual for reading/browsing stuffFeb 13 21:10
PetoKrausGraphics, dense researchFeb 13 21:10
schestowitzPreview/edit splitFeb 13 21:10
PetoKrausi quite don't like having to switch VD's when I need to check something on google/periodic table from my documentFeb 13 21:11
PetoKrausit's still better than alt-tabbing thoughFeb 13 21:11
schestowitzIn compiz go to upper right conrner (by default)Feb 13 21:11
schestowitzOr use CTRL+FxFeb 13 21:11
PetoKrausALT+Fx hereFeb 13 21:11
schestowitzHuh?Feb 13 21:12
schestowitzalt+f4 too? :-)Feb 13 21:12
PetoKrausE17Feb 13 21:12
PetoKrausyeahFeb 13 21:12
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PetoKrausfor closing window i've got win+CFeb 13 21:12
schestowitze17 is getting ompizFeb 13 21:12
schestowitzdid you see?Feb 13 21:12
PetoKrausno it isn'tFeb 13 21:12
PetoKraus:)Feb 13 21:12
schestowitzSort ofFeb 13 21:12
PetoKrausthere is a module, called ecomorphFeb 13 21:12
schestowitzhttp://www.elivecd.org/Main/News/elive-de...Feb 13 21:13
PetoKrauswhich is compiz backend which works with E17 as a window managerFeb 13 21:13
PetoKrauselive != E17Feb 13 21:13
PetoKraus;)Feb 13 21:13
PetoKrausi seen the newsFeb 13 21:13
PetoKrauscompositing is not planned until... uh, E19 i thinkFeb 13 21:13
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&...Feb 13 21:13
PetoKrausonce E is pushed out, it'll make life easierFeb 13 21:14
PetoKrausstable API's to write modulesFeb 13 21:14
PetoKrausas there is no trayer ATM and no compositing ATMFeb 13 21:14
schestowitzI'll oggify itFeb 13 21:14
PetoKrausnah, i can dl from youtubeFeb 13 21:14
PetoKrausi'm thinking about yorkshire pudding with cheese, ham and olivesFeb 13 21:15
PetoKrauswhat do you say? :)Feb 13 21:15
PetoKrausi've been using elive quite a lotFeb 13 21:16
PetoKrausit's been my first distroFeb 13 21:16
schestowitzI'll post it to FPFeb 13 21:17
schestowitzI'm waiting for my dinner to cool down still..Feb 13 21:17
PetoKrausthe music is irritatingFeb 13 21:17
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schestowitzYes, it's kind of strong.Feb 13 21:18
PetoKrausthe video is poorly editedFeb 13 21:18
schestowitzMakes it look like elive is for anachistsFeb 13 21:19
PetoKrausthere are some QUITE annoying effects usedFeb 13 21:19
PetoKrausi mean, in terms of video editingFeb 13 21:19
PetoKrausbut it looks prettyFeb 13 21:20
trmancohttp://unhappybirthday.com/Feb 13 21:23
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/200...Feb 13 21:24
schestowitzPetoKraus: it's good to show that there are not just two games/shows in townFeb 13 21:24
schestowitzMeh. Another FileZilla Fan < http://blog.datamation.com/blog/2009/02... >Feb 13 21:27
schestowitzKonqueror reignsFeb 13 21:27
schestowitztrmanco: licensing@ascap.com  ..... this reminds me o the Mono thing.Feb 13 21:28
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/22/prote...Feb 13 21:29
trmancoascap, weird nameFeb 13 21:31
schestowitz'Don't Click' Attack Strikes Twitter Users -- "Using the simplest of social engineering hacks -- an enticing message with a link, labeled "don't click" -- a "clickjacking" exploit of the Twitter microblogging service flooded its network today, hijacking users' status to spread itself before the link could be shut down. "  http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/38...Feb 13 21:36
schestowitztrmanco: maybe pronnounced As-capeFeb 13 21:36
trmanco*LOL*Feb 13 21:36
schestowitzSomeone need to invest a libre HB song.Feb 13 21:37
schestowitzneed to check though for violation of cordsFeb 13 21:37
schestowitzSome stupid musicians have their notion of "violating" music... and good luck 'browsing' or searching music for infingmentsFeb 13 21:38
schestowitzPeople's music is an expression of what they simply hear anywayFeb 13 21:39
PetoKrausyeeechaaaaFeb 13 21:47
PetoKrausi won a trialFeb 13 21:47
PetoKrausi shouldn't be happy, but i still amFeb 13 21:47
schestowitzSettlement?Feb 13 21:52
schestowitzOr trial of BetaVista7?Feb 13 21:52
PetoKrausno...Feb 13 21:52
PetoKrausalimonyFeb 13 21:52
PetoKraus(for me, not from me)Feb 13 21:52
PetoKrausfrom €£60 to €£250 a month. He's not going to pay it anyway, but stillFeb 13 21:54
PetoKrausfeels good to be right.Feb 13 21:54
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schestowitzAnti-GPL: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2009/2/12/are-y...Feb 13 21:58
schestowitzAdvocacy of Mono toyz: http://maketecheasier.com/gnome-do-d...Feb 13 22:06
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trmancohttp://www.1234567890countdown.co.uk/Feb 13 22:19
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schestowitzGeez. IDG *IS* ful of trolls http://www.mepis.org/node/14212Feb 13 22:28
*PetoKraus np: Genesis - Dancing With The Moonlit Knight (Selling England By The Pound)Feb 13 22:29
PetoKrausthis song is especially true for today's economic situationFeb 13 22:29
schestowitzHeh.Feb 13 22:30
schestowitzIf it were not for IDG having SJVN, it would be garbage worthyFeb 13 22:37
schestowitzFighting Dell’s customer support service… < http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress... >Feb 13 22:37
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schestowitzClassic this one (on why people foolishly forget about _Freedom_ and think FOSS is about visibility alone): http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/...Feb 13 22:39
PetoKraushehFeb 13 22:43
PetoKrauscouple of my friends canFeb 13 22:43
PetoKrausexpect some text messagesFeb 13 22:43
PetoKraus>.>Feb 13 22:43
schestowitzSome people misunderstand.... sort of. "There are many, perhaps 300, distributions of Linux. A distribution is the Linux kernel with hundreds or even thousands of GNU programs included. " http://cyrwyn.wordpress.com/2009/0...Feb 13 22:44
PetoKraushaha! it works!!!!!Feb 13 22:56
schestowitzUK Sticks with 70 Years for Music Copyright < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/02/uk... >Feb 13 22:57
schestowitzMore proof that people can only ever RENT the iPhone: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/...Feb 13 23:03
schestowitzThey pay a lot for a license to hire APPLE's 'I' phone.Feb 13 23:03
silentivmtry and tell that to an Apple fanboyFeb 13 23:03
silentivmthey will never accept this factFeb 13 23:04
silentivm:)Feb 13 23:04
schestowitzThey love AppleFeb 13 23:04
silentivmyes, I know a fanboy which blindly loves AppleFeb 13 23:04
schestowitzStevie Jooby is their buddy.. can trust him even if he bricks their phonie.Feb 13 23:04
silentivmanything that Apple makes is great, but if (say) Nokia had created the iPhone, they would say "OK, nobody needs it"Feb 13 23:04
schestowitzThe Inquirer/Register calls it "Jesusphone" for a reason.Feb 13 23:05
silentivm:DFeb 13 23:05
schestowitzContent Is Advertising; Advertising Is Content... On SNL < http://techdirt.com/articles... << - realisation that in broadcast the advertising is called "content" and the show/song is called "fill"Feb 13 23:08
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schestowitz"However, when police demand to be able to access the recordings even when there was no crime, as they apparently want to do in the pub in Islington, that is dangerous. We know they will use this against protestors and dissidents." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-n...Feb 13 23:25
trmancoepoch time has passedFeb 13 23:28
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schestowitzMySQL competitor says something and InfoWeek puts it in the headline as though it's undeniably true:  MySQL Exits May Open Sun Customers To Other Databases  < http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/d... >. Sensationalism.Feb 13 23:44
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