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_Hicham_here is a funny picture : http://ardenne-informatique.com/~nekrof...Mar 14 00:00
schestowitzguy gets caught masturbating to warcraft < http://www.youtube.com/w... >Mar 14 00:01
balzachehehMar 14 00:11
_Hicham_balzac : where have u been?Mar 14 00:13
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schestowitzPlaying warcraft?Mar 14 00:14
_Hicham_it is weird that balzac stays silent :-/Mar 14 00:15
schestowitzbalzac: playing /your/ warcraftMar 14 00:16
_Hicham_total silenceMar 14 00:22
_Hicham_what is going on?Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_everybody is sleeping or what?Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_Linux is counting on u ...Mar 14 00:23
_Hicham_wake up all of uMar 14 00:23
_Hicham_:DMar 14 00:23
schestowitzAre these people taking the piss? "1998: Richard Stallman, kind of like your step dad, shaves his beard. It grows back to the same fullness the next day." http://i.gizmodo.com/5169216/h...Mar 14 00:24
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schestowitz_Hicham_: here's a beardless RMS, in case you ever wondered: http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/a...Mar 14 00:28
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schestowitz"With the Zypad device, which runs a Linux operating system, one can access a remote host system through integrated wired or wireless interfaces." http://news.cnet.com/8301-1363...Mar 14 00:32
_Hicham_RMS looks different without a beardMar 14 00:38
_Hicham_i wouldn't recognize him without a beardMar 14 00:38
schestowitzYes, same here.Mar 14 00:42
schestowitzI wonder what I'd look like with a beard.Mar 14 00:42
Balrog_RMS without a beard?Mar 14 00:42
Balrog_he has one now, right.Mar 14 00:43
schestowitzI can grow a blonde goatee, but not a beard.Mar 14 00:43
Balrog_lolMar 14 00:43
schestowitzBalrog: yes, but watch the trolls from LifeHackersMar 14 00:43
schestowitzI'm not sure it's trollingMar 14 00:43
schestowitzThey sort of ignore GNUMar 14 00:43
schestowitzThen they have a picture of RMS claimed that he shaved it off in 1998. Is it true?Mar 14 00:43
Balrog_I doubt itMar 14 00:44
schestowitzBdale garbee had Linus shave in beard in LCA 2009.Mar 14 00:44
schestowitzRMS is like Samson. Without his beard he's try Adobe Flash or something.Mar 14 00:44
schestowitzThat's the 'Delilah'Mar 14 00:44
_Hicham_Roy : if the beard isnt black you re okMar 14 00:46
_Hicham_otherwise u ll be a terroristMar 14 00:46
MinceRgnMar 14 00:47
schestowitz_Hicham_: only in the west, I think.Mar 14 00:47
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seller_liara good history about bluej and crazy micrtosoftttMar 14 00:50
seller_liarhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi...Mar 14 00:51
Balrog_stupidMar 14 00:52
Balrog_copying someone else's work and attempting to patent it. :xMar 14 00:52
seller_liarand this is done in 2005!Mar 14 00:53
Balrog_and they try patenting ~1yr laterMar 14 00:53
Balrog_:XMar 14 00:53
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schestowitzseller_liar: yes, bluej went GPLMar 14 00:56
schestowitzGPLv3 maybeMar 14 00:56
schestowitzJust weeks agoMar 14 00:56
schestowitzWhich is great!Mar 14 00:56
seller_liarschestowitz: no, It's gplv2+classpathMar 14 00:56
twitterha, I wonder if M$ would have dropped their patent nonsense had they known bluej would go gplMar 14 00:56
schestowitzhey, twitter Mar 14 01:00
schestowitzSeen the Novell story in /.?Mar 14 01:00
schestowitzCheck out the comments. Bruce is being funnyMar 14 01:00
schestowitzAnd some Turfers attack meMar 14 01:01
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_Hicham_Roy : I saw an article in which they say that u are under arrest :DMar 14 02:33
_Hicham_u r very suspicious :)Mar 14 02:33
_Hicham_:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:DMar 14 02:33
schestowitzHehe.Mar 14 02:34
schestowitzWould that be an article calling me a murderer?Mar 14 02:35
schestowitzOr a child molester?Mar 14 02:35
schestowitzor some other fairly tale they made up?Mar 14 02:35
_Hicham_yes, as a child molesterMar 14 02:38
_Hicham_:DMar 14 02:39
_Hicham_http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/NEWS-...Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_really funnyMar 14 02:39
schestowitzHehe.Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_i like people who made things up, they just show how silly they areMar 14 02:39
schestowitzThey even pointed to a non-extent address.Mar 14 02:39
_Hicham_and give me a chance to laughMar 14 02:40
_Hicham_yesMar 14 02:40
schestowitzThey tried to refute my postsMar 14 02:40
_Hicham_the address doesnt existMar 14 02:40
schestowitzIt's too hard for themMar 14 02:40
schestowitzThen they try to find embarrassing things about itMar 14 02:40
schestowitz*about meMar 14 02:40
schestowitzThey can't, eitherMar 14 02:40
schestowitzSo they need to start 'manufacturing' stuff, planting it in the intrawebbies.Mar 14 02:40
_Hicham_hahahaMar 14 02:42
_Hicham_they are gonna blow upMar 14 02:42
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_Hicham_Roy : are u living in the uk?Mar 14 02:51
schestowitzYesMar 14 02:53
_Hicham_have u met Mark Shuttleworth personally?Mar 14 02:53
schestowitzNo, not that it would matter, eitherMar 14 02:54
_Hicham_why not?Mar 14 02:55
schestowitzI mailed him sevral timesMar 14 02:55
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_Hicham_are u in London?Mar 14 02:55
schestowitzNo, up northMar 14 02:55
_Hicham_Edinburgh?Mar 14 02:55
schestowitzNo, [H]omer_ is around thereMar 14 02:57
_Hicham_it must be badly cold right nowMar 14 02:58
schestowitzNa, quite all right. It's spring alreadyMar 14 03:00
_Hicham_i heard that it is always raining and cold in the ukMar 14 03:01
_Hicham_is that true?Mar 14 03:01
_Hicham_and most of all foggyMar 14 03:01
schestowitzMythsMar 14 03:05
schestowitzLike US is all richMar 14 03:05
schestowitzOr China eats cockroachesMar 14 03:05
schestowitzOr "basketball is for black people"Mar 14 03:06
schestowitzAnd so on...Mar 14 03:06
schestowitzStigmasMar 14 03:06
_Hicham_but those stereotypes are sometimes funMar 14 03:10
seller_liarschestowitz: Hey roy , is it possible to open a page in wiki entitled projects and plans?Mar 14 03:13
schestowitzSure, sure.Mar 14 03:17
schestowitzGo ahead and put anything in that your find suitable.Mar 14 03:17
seller_liarok , thank you very muchMar 14 03:17
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mib_5ee5yhcool siteMar 14 04:26
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oiaohmI wish next gcc would get out in wild so wine 64 bit could get out and about.Mar 14 06:55
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oiaohmPlanète Béranger seams to be going through a nice big refersal.  Looking he looking at Linux again.Mar 14 07:50
oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/20...  << MS Opps we using ARM.Mar 14 08:11
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ZiggyFishschestowitz: have you seen the IE8 FUD that Microsoft has now <http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar...Mar 14 09:11
ZiggyFishReport <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/det...Mar 14 09:11
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schestowitzoiaohm: yes, Beranger would do thatMar 14 09:32
schestowitzI swore he would come back. He begged for attention... like when ht moved to BSDMar 14 09:32
schestowitzZiggyFish: yes, seen it. Microsoft history of lying says it all. Also, they test it on Windows :-D  http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde... (see top [part)Mar 14 09:33
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oiaohmolpc going arm is a more interesting one. schestowitzMar 14 10:21
schestowitzYes, they might try to chase itMar 14 10:24
schestowitzIs Windows easily portable to other archs?Mar 14 10:24
schestowitz(i doubt it)Mar 14 10:25
oiaohmCore of windows not that hard.Mar 14 10:25
oiaohmreactos already has a arm port.Mar 14 10:25
oiaohmApplications for windows eep.Mar 14 10:25
schestowitzYes, I knowMar 14 10:26
schestowitzBut the core Windows apps they can recompileMar 14 10:26
schestowitz..Though...Mar 14 10:26
oiaohmppc was done for windows in the past.Mar 14 10:26
schestowitzWhat would be the point if all WIndows apps are sold as x86 binaries?Mar 14 10:26
oiaohmAlmost no applications for ppc windows was released.Mar 14 10:26
schestowitzThe whole "it runs Windows apps" argument goes down the s*tterMar 14 10:26
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, beat me to it!Mar 14 10:27
oiaohmOr worse poor windows users having to put up with cpu selection requirements they never had to before.Mar 14 10:28
oiaohmO well it will kill that dead argument that Linux supports too many cpu types from some camps.Mar 14 10:29
amarsh04_funnily enough, linux no longer supports 80386 (without 80387), nor sparc32Mar 14 10:30
oiaohmLinux kernel can still be made run on 80386Mar 14 10:30
oiaohmDistributions choose not to.Mar 14 10:30
oiaohmWhen you pull up 386 top speed quite understandable.Mar 14 10:31
amarsh04_yes, or people just run (or continue to run) old kernels if they still use hardware that oldMar 14 10:31
oiaohmThere are still some specialised distributions out there for 80386Mar 14 10:31
oiaohmNormally for sat work.Mar 14 10:31
oiaohmYes that is 2.6 series kernels.Mar 14 10:31
amarsh04_when I worked at <censored> they also used 80376 chips (protected mode only version of i386)Mar 14 10:32
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schestowitzNot even Debian supports it?Mar 14 10:34
*schestowitz looks for links.Mar 14 10:34
schestowitzhttp://widefox.pbwiki.com/Kernel%20Co...Mar 14 10:34
amarsh04not in Lenny. Etch supported sparc32 iircMar 14 10:34
schestowitzhttp://widefox.pbwiki.com/ArchitectureMar 14 10:34
amarsh04windows nt at one time supported DEC Alpha, MIPS, and PowerPC cpusMar 14 10:35
oiaohmdebain draws line at i486 somethingMar 14 10:36
schestowitzhttp://widefox.pbwiki.com/CPUMar 14 10:36
schestowitzThat' the chart I had in mindMar 14 10:36
schestowitzWatch the Y/N comparisonMar 14 10:36
oiaohmIntergrated maths processor makes live lot less painful.Mar 14 10:36
schestowitzIt ridicules Windows.Mar 14 10:36
amarsh04I was running Debian on a Cyrix "686" which was a 486 compatibleMar 14 10:37
oiaohmThere is a error there.  m88k is support by Linux in uclinux a off line branch.Mar 14 10:38
amarsh04so it appears that sparc32 is still supported in the kernel, but I wasn't able to find a sparc32 distro with current kernelMar 14 10:41
oiaohmLack of sparc32 processors to test with amarsh04Mar 14 10:41
oiaohmSorry to say working sparc32 processes are getting a little hard to get hands on.Mar 14 10:42
amarsh04In 2003 I was still using an ss10 at workMar 14 10:43
schestowitzEven Sun seems to be distancing self from SPARCMar 14 10:44
oiaohmDebain sparc32 disappeared due to lack of maintainers.Mar 14 10:44
oiaohmNot that it will not work.Mar 14 10:44
amarsh04grub2 has just had sparc support added back inMar 14 10:45
oiaohmThere are sparc users still out thereMar 14 10:46
oiaohmJust not in large numbers amarsh04 needed to maintain a distribution.Mar 14 10:46
amarsh04my work sparcstation10 had 2 * 50 MHz cpus and 224 MiB RAM... I compiled gcc 3.3 on it once when sunfreeware only had gcc 3.2 and earlierMar 14 10:46
amarsh04even with cross-compilation there would be a certain slowness in verifying that compiled code worked on sparc32Mar 14 10:47
oiaohmhttp://widefox.pbwiki.com/Scheduler  Look at the bottom of the page.Mar 14 10:50
amarsh04lots of the schedulers have been mainlined since the 2.6.22 kernelMar 14 10:54
oiaohmI was refering to the scheduler lag.Mar 14 10:57
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schestowitzNice picture: http://www.siriusit.co.uk/myblog/...Mar 14 12:51
schestowitzHaha. Here they go... "America's first federal chief information officer has been placed on leave after one of his former employees was arrested for alleged IT bribery." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009...Mar 14 12:55
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schestowitzDid you know you can get # of pageviews on Groklaw articles through the search facility, e.g. http://www.groklaw.net/search.php?query=lyon... ?Mar 14 14:07
oiaohmDifferentMar 14 14:11
MinceRhow are you gentlemen !!Mar 14 14:12
oiaohmfineMar 14 14:13
trmancouh ohMar 14 14:19
trmancoI would say this if I were them -> "In fact, we'll give €£100 to anyone who can write a Malbolge clone of the Emacs psychotherapist Eliza (m-x-doctor)."Mar 14 14:19
trmancowouldn'tMar 14 14:23
trmancoahh, crap... <would not> geeshMar 14 14:23
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mib_7seoklhihiMar 14 14:23
mib_7seoklhihiMar 14 14:23
oiaohmHi mib_7seoklMar 14 14:25
schestowitzHeyMar 14 14:25
twitterhad to laugh at this.  Not one big Suse customer all quarter, http://www.crn.com/software/215900219Mar 14 14:29
twitterhave not had time to look at BN, but I'm sure you covered something as obvious as that and I'm sure you did it better.Mar 14 14:30
twitterbblMar 14 14:30
schestowitzYes, Doug  made a funny post about itMar 14 14:30
schestowitz(in USENET, moments ago)Mar 14 14:31
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.os....Mar 14 14:31
schestowitz"Once you get your own hardware and software in the living room, you have a customer for life. Earth to Ron come in Ron Hovsepian ... "Mar 14 14:31
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_Hicham_Hi All!Mar 14 14:59
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amarsh04hi HichamMar 14 15:00
schestowitzHi.Mar 14 15:01
amarsh04hi schestowitz... bad drop-out rate at my end over the last 30 hours or soMar 14 15:08
trmancohttps://answers.edge.launchpa...Mar 14 15:14
trmancowowMar 14 15:14
trmancothis little answer just gave me 600 karma pois :-OMar 14 15:14
trmancopoints*Mar 14 15:14
schestowitzI saw patch/release to itMar 14 15:17
schestowitzSomething along the lines of a new release that addresses an ICQ issue. I skipped it quickly, so I don't remember.Mar 14 15:18
trmancokopete was having that problem tooMar 14 15:18
schestowitzI've not used IM since 2004 (aMSN, to contact family and friends).Mar 14 15:18
_Hicham_Roy : aMSN support conferencing nowMar 14 15:19
trmancoIM is probably going to die, just see how Laconica and Twitter gain popularityMar 14 15:20
schestowitzMight beMar 14 15:20
schestowitzAlvaro was implementing themes when I last used itMar 14 15:20
schestowitzIt was on SUSE 8.1Mar 14 15:20
trmancosocial stuff might be the futureMar 14 15:20
trmancoaMSN is going to be rewritten in Python IthinkMar 14 15:21
schestowitzbkuhn messages me yesterdayMar 14 15:21
schestowitz*ssagedMar 14 15:21
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/con... :-) Thanks for posting. http://boycottnovell.com/20...Mar 14 15:27
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schestowitzDocument Freedom is coming it less than 2 weeks < http://www.ossblog.it/post/4716/docu... >Mar 14 15:34
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mib_dnkgznhi friendsMar 14 15:42
schestowitzHey there.Mar 14 15:42
schestowitzWhat's up?Mar 14 15:42
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schestowitzSomeone says HP will put some SLED on mini-laptops. H-P has already got its own variant of GNU/Linux for these machines/form factor and it's based on Ubuntu (Debian). Wouldn't SLE be 'heavy'?Mar 14 16:03
schestowitzAmsterdammed: Linden Lab to Segregate "Adult" Content in Second Life to Red Light Continent (Real Life ID Required) < http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/03/r... >Mar 14 16:03
schestowitz45,000 Mexican military personnel have been dispatched to centers of drug violence across the country to stamp out the growing violence. < http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/1313...  >Mar 14 16:03
schestowitzAnonymity getting the boost: Why Tor is slow and what we're going to do about it < https://blog.torproject.org/blog... >Mar 14 16:05
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/200... "Opposition parties are today renewing calls for a proper investigation into the Iraq war because a Freedom of Information request has revealed senior officials were concerned about how the intelligence was presented."Mar 14 16:06
schestowitzThe Kindness of Strangers < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv... > Schneier on a society that wants to keep people isolated.Mar 14 16:08
schestowitz UK Music Biz Labels Google ‘Cynical And Exploitative’< http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419... >Mar 14 16:10
schestowitzBad guys finish last: MPAA Matches RIAA In Massive Layoffs < http://techdirt.com/articles/2... >Mar 14 16:13
schestowitzDavid Wood on the pseudo-open Symbian: http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/... They should really give up on software patents already. They have caused so much damage at Nokia.Mar 14 16:15
schestowitzMatt Asay parrots Microsoft big liars: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... Does he not know ClickStream is MS employees?Mar 14 16:16
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schestowitzSo You Think This Is A Democracy? < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv... > UK ambassador on democracy that doesn't exist. (not even in the US and UK where polyarchy prevails)Mar 14 16:18
schestowitzThe new European Commission  < http://www.euractiv.com/en/opinion/new-e... >. Will they get rid of Charlie McCreevy, at last?Mar 14 16:20
schestowitzHow GCPedia will save the public service < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/12/how... >Mar 14 16:21
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor... "MS does not simply want to 'weaken the foundations of open source', they want to kill free software and the GPL. That is their ultimate goal."Mar 14 16:29
schestowitztrmanco: The other COLA[nnounce]: A number of sites have posted copies of the original posting on comp.os.linux.announce < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story... >Mar 14 16:36
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_Hicham_that was the time when debian was just startingMar 14 16:52
_Hicham_or it hasn't even startedMar 14 16:52
_Hicham_there was just slackware, right?Mar 14 16:52
_Hicham_I am compiling mplayer right nowMar 14 16:53
_Hicham_compilation takes a lot of timeMar 14 16:53
_Hicham_im glad that gcc is supporting precompiled headersMar 14 16:53
schestowitzDebian started in 2993?Mar 14 16:54
schestowitz*1992Mar 14 16:54
_Hicham_in 1994 i thinkMar 14 16:54
schestowitzYes, that sounds like it may be rightMar 14 16:54
_Hicham_slackware in late 1993Mar 14 16:54
schestowitzDepends what milestone you markMar 14 16:54
_Hicham_slackware is the oldest distroMar 14 16:55
schestowitzIt's rather dumb how they announced Linux to be 15Mar 14 16:55
schestowitzBecause that was a while agoMar 14 16:55
schestowitzThey re-celebrate birthdays based on different events.Mar 14 16:55
_Hicham_i think 1.0 is the official versionMar 14 16:55
_Hicham_not what linus wroteMar 14 16:55
schestowitz_Hicham_: I'm not sure if it's trueMar 14 16:55
schestowitz_Hicham_: the first distro was made right hereMar 14 16:55
schestowitzMCCMar 14 16:55
_Hicham_MCC?Mar 14 16:55
schestowitzBy Owen Le BlancMar 14 16:55
schestowitzI worked with him, sort ofMar 14 16:56
_Hicham_in the UK?Mar 14 16:56
schestowitzSee the timelines in WikipediaMar 14 16:56
schestowitz_Hicham_: first combination of GNU and LinuxMar 14 16:56
schestowitzFrom FTPMar 14 16:56
schestowitzI worked at MCC for about 7 yearsMar 14 16:56
_Hicham_wowMar 14 16:56
_Hicham_and u dont use it now?Mar 14 16:56
schestowitzNo, MCC is the placeMar 14 16:57
schestowitzAlso distro nameMar 14 16:57
schestowitzOwen uses Debian now, I thinkMar 14 16:57
_Hicham_why did u drop it?Mar 14 16:57
schestowitzThe job? It wasn't worth is anymoreMar 14 16:57
schestowitzI quit a while ago. I had 2 jobs there.Mar 14 16:58
_Hicham_no, I mean the distroMar 14 16:58
schestowitzOne in April 2006 because I wanted to concentrate on finishing my thesisMar 14 16:58
schestowitzThen I left another role in Sept. 2007Mar 14 16:58
schestowitzBecause I finished pretty much everything on campusMar 14 16:58
_Hicham_ah, i seeMar 14 16:59
_Hicham_and now mcc is abandoned for good?Mar 14 16:59
schestowitzIt's renamedMar 14 16:59
schestowitz Was the 'gunman warning' a hoax? < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1... >. I reckon computer games do play a role.Mar 14 17:00
_Hicham_what is its name now?Mar 14 17:00
_Hicham_i read in wikipedia that its users were urged to migrate to DebianMar 14 17:00
EruaranhelloMar 14 17:02
schestowitzFun gallery: MP3 Players: Whose is Smallest? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161... >Mar 14 17:03
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/ne... "The Justice Department on Friday jettisoned the term "enemy combatant" and said the president does not have the authority to order detainees held at the military prison at Guantanamo Bay. "Mar 14 17:06
schestowitzMemorise this: ***00000099#* (How to open many keypad-access doors  < http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2009/... >)Mar 14 17:08
EruaranI think I've just heard the best cover of John Lennons Imagine everMar 14 17:09
EruaranNeil Young live on the piano doing it rightMar 14 17:09
schestowitzAnything on Youtube?Mar 14 17:10
Eruaranhaven't looked... probably though.. this is on tv right now hereMar 14 17:10
EruaranI'm watching Rage... the all night music program that has been on ABC1 here since the 80'sMar 14 17:11
EruaranBeen through a bunch of Beck clips, Elliot Smith and now Neil YoungMar 14 17:11
EruaranA bit of Aimee MannMar 14 17:11
EruaranRage is still the bestMar 14 17:11
schestowitzIs Apple’s mystery product a netpad? < http://www.deviceguru.com/is-a... >Mar 14 17:12
schestowitzg2g bblMar 14 17:12
EruaranFriday nights Rage covers new material and on Saturday nights it tends to cover a more ecclectic mix, sometimes with guest programmers covering particular artists...Mar 14 17:13
EruaranbbMar 14 17:13
EruaranDoing Leonard Cohen now...Mar 14 17:22
EruaranRage songlist tonight is from Bill Callahan (Smog)Mar 14 17:23
_Hicham_i installed the latest svn version of mplayerMar 14 17:40
_Hicham_it works like a charmMar 14 17:40
Eruaranhello _Hicham_Mar 14 17:40
_Hicham_hi ErauaranMar 14 17:40
_Hicham_how r u doing?Mar 14 17:40
Eruaranah not badMar 14 17:40
Eruaranhows things in your part of the worldMar 14 17:41
_Hicham_it is going well, thank u EruaranMar 14 17:41
_Hicham_mplayer is the only player in the worldMar 14 17:41
_Hicham_there is no equivalent playerMar 14 17:41
_Hicham_have anyone found an equivalent player?Mar 14 17:42
EruaranI haven't used MPlayer in agesMar 14 17:44
EruaranNever seems to work right for meMar 14 17:44
EruaranKMPlayer works thoughMar 14 17:44
EruaranI use KMPlayer to record streamsMar 14 17:44
_Hicham_KMplayer is based on mplayerMar 14 17:46
_Hicham_it is just a frond endMar 14 17:46
_Hicham_i used other playersMar 14 17:48
_Hicham_VLC, Totem, Xine, and some Windows only playersMar 14 17:49
_Hicham_but mplayer is still the greatest of allMar 14 17:49
_Hicham_oh, God, when will the day come when gnash can replace adobe flash player?Mar 14 17:50
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Eruaranyes, but for some reason I can never get much productivity out of vanilla mplayerMar 14 18:07
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EruaranI would like to see Adobe open up flashMar 14 18:07
EruaranI think if they feel under pressure enough from Silverlight at any stage then they willMar 14 18:08
_Hicham_i dont think soMar 14 18:17
_Hicham_Roy is busyMar 14 18:32
_Hicham_too sad that gnash still doesnt workMar 14 18:34
_Hicham_i imagine how u would look with a beard RoyMar 14 18:36
_Hicham_u should try a beardMar 14 18:36
EruaranlolMar 14 18:37
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taconeschestowitz: here ?Mar 14 18:38
MinceRfacial hair is overrated.Mar 14 18:38
Eruaranhe's afk atmMar 14 18:40
EruaranI have facial hairMar 14 18:40
_Hicham_like RMS?Mar 14 18:40
EruarannoMar 14 18:41
_Hicham_we should all become like RMSMar 14 18:41
Eruarannot like that :PMar 14 18:41
_Hicham_or like TorvaldsMar 14 18:41
_Hicham_we have to choose a campMar 14 18:41
_Hicham_the camp of beardsMar 14 18:41
_Hicham_or the camp or razorsMar 14 18:41
EruaranI'm not into high maintenance beardsMar 14 18:41
_Hicham_:DMar 14 18:41
_Hicham_Roy is silent O:-)Mar 14 18:42
_Hicham_must be eatingMar 14 18:42
taconeor sleeping.Mar 14 18:42
_Hicham_i think that everyone is sleeping in hereMar 14 19:01
_Hicham_not just RoyMar 14 19:01
_Hicham_it is not night yet for RoyMar 14 19:03
schestowitzJust got backMar 14 19:18
schestowitztacone: what's up?Mar 14 19:18
taconehey schestowitz, i just was wondering if spashtop is compatible with linux.Mar 14 19:18
taconeis it ?Mar 14 19:19
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schestowitztacone: I think nowMar 14 19:19
schestowitzEruaran would know about Express GateMar 14 19:19
taconehttp://compraonline.mediaworld.it/web...Mar 14 19:19
tacone*Express Gate è disponibile solo per la versione Windows XPMar 14 19:20
tacone(available only on winxp)Mar 14 19:20
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0...Mar 14 19:20
EruaranThere is no linux installerMar 14 19:20
schestowitzASUS: “Currently, We’re Closely Tied up With Microsoft” < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/2... >Mar 14 19:20
taconeseems like i don't read bn enoughMar 14 19:20
taconelolMar 14 19:20
taconehow does all that mixes with the fact is patented ?Mar 14 19:21
schestowitzNot sure it's relatedMar 14 19:22
taconeand the only competitor is novell's made dell's bios ?Mar 14 19:22
taconei'm sure it's not related. it's just an unfortunate mix.Mar 14 19:22
EruaranI think Express Gate may violate the GPLMar 14 19:22
schestowitzYesMar 14 19:22
schestowitzI think so Mar 14 19:23
schestowitzHold onMar 14 19:23
schestowitzI'll find a zdnet thingMar 14 19:23
EruaranIf you want to install it, you are required to install a proprietary operating system first.Mar 14 19:23
tacone:-(Mar 14 19:23
EruaranIts artificially tied to Windows.Mar 14 19:23
schestowitzI can't find itMar 14 19:25
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&a...Mar 14 19:25
schestowitzAnyway. it's about them slicing itMar 14 19:25
schestowitzHalf is FOSS, the rest proprietaryMar 14 19:26
schestowitzSo the patented part might be totally proprietary, just not marketed as suchMar 14 19:26
EruaranyesMar 14 19:26
taconethey are very open to developersMar 14 19:26
taconethat sort of reminds of googleMar 14 19:26
schestowitzThey've already violated GPLMar 14 19:26
schestowitzWith the Xandros thingMar 14 19:26
taconepublic api to get advantage of a ultra-proprietary thing.Mar 14 19:27
schestowitzThey were asked to correct thisMar 14 19:27
schestowitzThey didMar 14 19:27
schestowitzAnd they put up some page about itMar 14 19:27
EruaranIt puts GPL software in a 'black box' situationMar 14 19:27
EruaranIt violates the four lawsMar 14 19:27
schestowitzGPL  comprehension/respect is poorer in the eastMar 14 19:27
schestowitzhttp://lists.gpl-violations.org/piper... ASUS SplashTop and Phoenix Hyperspace infringing kernel copyright and GPLMar 14 19:28
schestowitzGPL = copyright privilegesMar 14 19:28
schestowitz"SplashTop's so-called source code (http://www.splashtop.com/download3...) contains a few patches to the Linux kernel but not the whole, compilable modified kernel source code as the GPL requires. This clearly constitutes a copyright violation."Mar 14 19:28
schestowitzASUS SplashTop is a GPL violation, unless they have fixed it < http://lists.gpl-violations.or... >Mar 14 19:29
taconenice to know.Mar 14 19:30
EruaranWith Express Gate you don't have "The freedom to run the program, for any purpose", you don't have ""Mar 14 19:30
EruaranetcMar 14 19:30
taconeA splashtop round up would be nice.Mar 14 19:30
schestowitzYes, I think soMar 14 19:31
schestowitzI'll bring it upMar 14 19:31
schestowitzGot to take a shower now anywayMar 14 19:31
schestowitzbrbMar 14 19:31
tacone:-)Mar 14 19:31
taconebyeMar 14 19:31
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EruaranI love KPackageKit's integration with System SettingsMar 14 19:39
_Hicham_is Splashtop usable on every computer?Mar 14 19:42
taconeon every computer with windows O:-)Mar 14 19:43
tacone_Hicham_: splashtop is a linux embedded in the motherboardMar 14 19:43
taconethat means you get it with the motherboard. you can't install it on a computer which didn't come with it ?Mar 14 19:44
taconeerrMar 14 19:44
tacone(was not a question, "?" is a typo)Mar 14 19:44
_Hicham_i seeMar 14 19:44
_Hicham_it is in the rom memory thenMar 14 19:45
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_Hicham_i just installed latest kernelMar 14 19:56
balzac-_-Mar 14 20:05
schestowitzwould be interesting when you can upgrade/change /a/ kernalMar 14 20:08
schestowitzLike switching from GNU Hurd to Linux and vice versa transparentlyMar 14 20:09
schestowitzLike KHTML and Webkit or GeckoMar 14 20:09
schestowitzInterview: Ralph Nader Says We're Living Under Corporate Fascism < http://consumerist.com/373394/interview-... >Mar 14 20:10
balzacschestowitz: there's a kernel function called kexec that might be useful for that sort of thing, but only switching between various linux kernelsMar 14 20:13
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balzacHurd is so out of date with modern hardware, may as well just be run as a VM or on older hardware.Mar 14 20:14
balzacPIII perhapsMar 14 20:14
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*schestowitz digs into ACTA. Ugly stuff!Mar 14 20:19
balzacI just switched from Gnome to XFCEMar 14 20:26
balzacI read a review by Bruce Byfield which mentioned some nice featuresMar 14 20:26
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balzachey Balrog_Mar 14 20:27
Balrog_heyMar 14 20:27
balzacI have to say, the default system font in XFCE is a bit blurry and smallMar 14 20:27
Balrog_adjust the font-rendering settingsMar 14 20:27
balzacadjusting...Mar 14 20:29
balzacI found some font settings under appearanceMar 14 20:30
_Hicham_hi balzacMar 14 20:30
balzacAlso, what are the keyboard shortcuts for filling the screen with various windows?Mar 14 20:30
balzachey _Hicham_Mar 14 20:31
_Hicham_how is it compared to gnome?Mar 14 20:31
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balzacsnappier when I switch themesMar 14 20:31
balzacnice so far, but I want the system font to be more crisp, less anti-aliasedMar 14 20:32
MinceRthat might be a function of your hinting settingsMar 14 20:33
balzacwhere can I find those settings?Mar 14 20:33
MinceRdunnoMar 14 20:33
MinceRif you have a font settings dialog, it's thereMar 14 20:34
MinceRthen again, xfce uses gtk which should use the same settings as under gnomeMar 14 20:34
MinceRso i don't know what's upMar 14 20:34
balzacMaybe I just need to find a font which looks good without antialiasingMar 14 20:34
_Hicham_balzac : use DejaVuMar 14 20:35
balzacI see the hinting now, MinceRMar 14 20:35
_Hicham_the font setting should be in appearanceMar 14 20:35
balzac_Hicham_: I'll try itMar 14 20:35
_Hicham_same as gnome i thinkMar 14 20:35
balzacI'm getting a good result using just sans with full hintingMar 14 20:36
_Hicham_Sans is great fontMar 14 20:37
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balzacThe only thing is that the system font doesn't seem to change the application font. FF3 has blurry menu items, while the title-bar is now crisp.Mar 14 20:38
balzacI know I'm not using the right terminology. I'm restarting FF to see what happens.Mar 14 20:38
balzacthat did itMar 14 20:39
_Hicham_balzac : whick distro is this?Mar 14 20:39
balzacthe restart of FF made the new font take holdMar 14 20:39
balzacUbuntu, Jaunty JackelopeMar 14 20:39
balzacwhat got me looking for another desktop was a few different thingsMar 14 20:39
balzacthe alpha of jaunty I upgraded to didn't start gnome-wm by default, so I had windows without borders or title barsMar 14 20:39
balzacI had to run that command to have any window bordersMar 14 20:40
balzacthen, I was trying some key-bindings and wondering, why are certain key-bindings not available to be reconfigured?Mar 14 20:40
balzacthen I read Bruce Byfields review of xfce 4.6 and was reminded of how snappy it is, plus you can make windows maximize to fill available space, up against other window bordersMar 14 20:41
balzacI like that featureMar 14 20:41
balzacnow I'm curious about how customizable are the key-bindingsMar 14 20:41
balzacnow I just want more unixy-looking window bordersMar 14 20:42
_Hicham_do u have a laptop or desktop?Mar 14 20:45
balzacI'm configuring my desktop nowMar 14 20:45
_Hicham_is it a strong machine?Mar 14 20:46
*schestowitz almost done typing rubbish :-)Mar 14 20:46
balzacrelativelyMar 14 20:46
*schestowitz hates doing Saturday postsMar 14 20:47
balzacThunar is pretty configurableMar 14 20:48
_Hicham_thunar is greatMar 14 20:48
balzacI've always got to have my text-based path, not the silly buttons in a row representing the pathMar 14 20:48
_Hicham_balzac : Vista took that from GnomeMar 14 20:49
taconeno-evil ?Mar 14 20:49
taconebeing no-evil is no-fun.Mar 14 20:49
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_Hicham_does thunar have tab support?Mar 14 20:50
balzacdoesn't seem toMar 14 20:51
seller_liara better privacy chromeMar 14 20:52
seller_liarsrware.netMar 14 20:53
_Hicham_it is still just for WindowsMar 14 20:55
_Hicham_they didnt do much thenMar 14 20:56
_Hicham_they took the code and compile itMar 14 20:56
_Hicham_what i call real fork is to port chrome to linuxMar 14 20:56
_Hicham_balzac : what graphic card do u have?Mar 14 20:57
balzacnot sure. it's my work computer and it doesn't belong to me.Mar 14 20:57
balzacAlso, it's a consumer-grade HP desktop with a "club HP" button, search, email, and help keys.Mar 14 20:58
balzacI'm not excited enough about this computer to have really inspected it.Mar 14 20:58
balzacOne of these days, I'm going to treat myself to a new hotrod desktopMar 14 20:59
balzacbut first a new full-sized notebookMar 14 20:59
_Hicham_do they allow to install linux on work machines?Mar 14 21:00
balzacthat was the first thing I didMar 14 21:00
balzacI didn't use it until I had erased VistaMar 14 21:00
schestowitzOK, done.Mar 14 21:00
schestowitztacone: yesMar 14 21:00
schestowitzBut I renamed itMar 14 21:00
taconeohMar 14 21:01
schestowitzIf Novell screws up, then this needs to be said, so it's no longer sucking up to NovellMar 14 21:01
schestowitzI also didn't want to commit to just SaturdayMar 14 21:01
*tacone is correcting Chromium on Ubuntu articleMar 14 21:01
schestowitzThese posts may seem spurious, BUTMar 14 21:01
schestowitzThey are valuable when I need to go back and check who Novell is connected toMar 14 21:01
taconeright.Mar 14 21:02
schestowitzIt also helps document Novell's many move while it goes out of existenceMar 14 21:02
schestowitztacone: I will post about SplashTop probably tomorrowMar 14 21:02
schestowitzAlso ACTAMar 14 21:02
schestowitzAnd martin BeanMar 14 21:03
taconenice.Mar 14 21:03
schestowitz(Microsoft shill... CompTIA bastard)Mar 14 21:03
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schestowitzEstrella Roja, un sistema operativo por la revolución < http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/y... >Mar 14 21:04
_Hicham_Roy : why splashtop violates GPL?Mar 14 21:04
schestowitz_Hicham_: unless they fixed it, they wrap it around with blobsMar 14 21:04
schestowitzBut I'll need to checkMar 14 21:04
schestowitzMaybe they contribute back all the changes to the GPL partsMar 14 21:04
schestowitzEither way, Express gateway is using Linux not necessarily to help itMar 14 21:05
schestowitzLike phone makers that make Linux phones.. WITHOUT support for Linux desktopMar 14 21:05
schestowitzSame with TomTom BTWMar 14 21:05
schestowitzseller_liar: is Estrella Roja known in Brazil?Mar 14 21:06
schestowitzIt looks really nice. They renamed... from Red Star IIRCMar 14 21:06
_Hicham_Roy : what can we do if GPL is violated?Mar 14 21:07
schestowitzbalzac: Iraqi shoe-thrower sentenced to three years in jail < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009... >Mar 14 21:07
balzacDonate to the SFLC?Mar 14 21:07
balzacRoy, he deserves a medal of honor instead.Mar 14 21:08
schestowitz_Hicham_: I've already informed themMar 14 21:08
schestowitzbalzac: yes, swap places with GeorgeMar 14 21:08
balzacFree Muntadar al ZaidiMar 14 21:08
schestowitzGeorge should be sued for leading to distress, which in turn cost a man 2 shoesMar 14 21:08
balzacJail Bush for lifeMar 14 21:08
_Hicham_who is gonna listenMar 14 21:09
_Hicham_Zaidi's ribs are all brokenMar 14 21:09
schestowitz_Hicham_: none of the people in the 'justice' deptsMar 14 21:09
_Hicham_they almost killed himMar 14 21:09
_Hicham_they kicked his ass in front of the presidentMar 14 21:09
schestowitzWhat?Mar 14 21:09
taconeand broke his wristMar 14 21:09
schestowitzWhat's that? Hubris?Mar 14 21:09
_Hicham_ZaidiMar 14 21:10
schestowitzWhy in front of the president?Mar 14 21:10
balzacThe sword of Damocles is hanging from a thread over Bush's neckMar 14 21:10
schestowitzWhich one?Mar 14 21:10
schestowitzBush?Mar 14 21:10
schestowitzSounds saddistic.Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_bush and malkiMar 14 21:10
schestowitzWhat for?Mar 14 21:10
_Hicham_at the moment when he threw the shoesMar 14 21:10
_Hicham_didnt u see the video?Mar 14 21:10
schestowitzThat's feudalistic. Mar 14 21:10
balzacThey beat the hell out of al Zaidi right in the midst of the press conference after he threw his shoes.Mar 14 21:10
schestowitzSounds like something from medieval booksMar 14 21:10
_Hicham_yesMar 14 21:10
_Hicham_and who cares?Mar 14 21:11
_Hicham_no one talks about thatMar 14 21:11
balzac_Hicham_: I'm going to have a t-shirt madeMar 14 21:11
_Hicham_what democracy bush is talking about?Mar 14 21:11
_Hicham_beat someone almost to death because he is so desperate?Mar 14 21:11
schestowitzThere are bigger problems: Severe global warming will render half of world's inhabited areas unliveable, expert warns < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment... >Mar 14 21:11
schestowitzLet's just assume the world is of infinite supply and an infinite garbage dumpMar 14 21:12
balzacOk, I'll finish my political commentary by saying waterboard Bush.Mar 14 21:12
_Hicham_global warming is caused by G7Mar 14 21:12
schestowitz_Hicham_: Bush doesn't understand democracyMar 14 21:12
schestowitzThe US is not a democracyMar 14 21:12
balzacwaterboard Bush until he confesses his treachery against America.Mar 14 21:12
schestowitzFactually speakingMar 14 21:12
schestowitz"Democracy" in the US is reason for warsMar 14 21:12
_Hicham_i would kill bush if i couldMar 14 21:12
schestowitzbalzac: I don't think he hates AmericaMar 14 21:13
balzac_Hicham_: luckily you're saying that from the relative safety of MoroccoMar 14 21:13
schestowitzHe's just a devout person.Mar 14 21:13
schestowitzObsession with thy Lord and stuff.Mar 14 21:13
schestowitzThat's risky for a president in a largely secular countryMar 14 21:13
balzacRoy, Bush hates America with a fiery passion.Mar 14 21:14
schestowitzbalzac:  a lot of people feel this wayMar 14 21:14
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schestowitzIt doesn't mean intentMar 14 21:14
schestowitzIt's emotion ratherMar 14 21:14
schestowitzDifference between doing something and wanting to do somethingMar 14 21:14
_Hicham_bush should (at least) be put on trialMar 14 21:14
schestowitzbalzac: I doubt it. Why would he hate it?Mar 14 21:14
schestowitzIt gave him a lotMar 14 21:14
schestowitz_Hicham_: yes, agreed. This is bizarreMar 14 21:15
balzacBush was never a legitimate president, only a malevolent resident of the White House. His 8 years should be referred to as "The Interegnum".Mar 14 21:15
schestowitzThe US has committed many terroristic crimes for decades and not once did the UN manage to bring one to the tribunalMar 14 21:15
schestowitzThe technical grounds would be disregard for lawMar 14 21:15
schestowitzSimply things like use of banned weapons-- knowinglyMar 14 21:15
balzacRoy, don't ask me to explain why Bush deliberately undermined our national security and our economy for 8 years straight.Mar 14 21:16


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