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_Hicham_excellent article (old) : http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Ope...Mar 19 00:11
_Hicham_it seems that attacks already begun on NovellMar 19 00:12
_Hicham_http://wiki.banshee-project...Mar 19 00:12
_Hicham_check it outMar 19 00:13
Balrog__what about this *** with red hat? I don't hear much good thingsMar 19 00:13
Balrog__heh I see. DOWNMar 19 00:13
_Hicham_Balrog_ : what is happening to RedHat?Mar 19 00:14
Balrog__the patents issueMar 19 00:15
Balrog__leading to bad pressMar 19 00:15
_Hicham_what patent?Mar 19 00:15
_Hicham_by the way, I find that banshee is nothing more than a RhythmBox ported to their crappy MonoMar 19 00:16
Balrog__Red Hat took out a patent on something in an 'open' standardMar 19 00:16
Balrog__read BNMar 19 00:16
Balrog__http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03...Mar 19 00:18
Balrog___Hicham_: I don't know what this means  :xMar 19 00:18
_Hicham_wow, RedHat also?Mar 19 00:23
_Hicham_I can't believe thatMar 19 00:23
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_Hicham_Microsucks is contaminating the worldMar 19 00:23
_Hicham_we must find a vaccinMar 19 00:23
Balrog___Hicham_: We're not sure about their intents yet. :/Mar 19 00:23
_Hicham_Balrog_ : this is the worst that I have ever heardMar 19 00:24
_Hicham_patents around an open standard?Mar 19 00:24
_Hicham_is Roy here?Mar 19 00:27
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tessier_http://www.theage.com.au/articl... Security fears spark Linux drive in IranMar 19 00:28
_Hicham_everyone is sleeping in hereMar 19 00:54
Balrog__not me :)Mar 19 00:55
tessier_So that's three of us awake.Mar 19 00:58
_Hicham_and tessier also?Mar 19 00:58
_Hicham_this is a great dayMar 19 00:58
_Hicham_how r u doing tessier?Mar 19 00:58
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_Hicham_Balrog_ : u remind me of Street Fighter's BalrogMar 19 00:59
_Hicham_I played Street Fighter a lot when I was a childMar 19 00:59
_Hicham_one of my friends then even dreams about Street Fighter's charactersMar 19 01:00
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_Hicham_one day he dreamed that Balrog became skinny and Dhalsim fatMar 19 01:00
_Hicham_:DMar 19 01:00
_Hicham_I think RedHat is changing its policyMar 19 01:03
_Hicham_Revenue is the most important for a companyMar 19 01:03
_Hicham_not the philosophy like so many prefer to sayMar 19 01:03
_Hicham_butMar 19 01:03
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schestowitzHeyMar 19 01:08
*schestowitz list trackMar 19 01:08
Balrog__heyMar 19 01:08
schestowitzSo much news todayMar 19 01:08
Balrog___Hicham_ : still around?Mar 19 01:08
schestowitzJust posted linksMar 19 01:08
_Hicham_welcome back RoyMar 19 01:09
_Hicham_did u post sthg new?Mar 19 01:09
_Hicham_Balrog_ : I am still hereMar 19 01:09
Balrog__any new commentary about the redhat patent issues? ....Mar 19 01:10
Balrog__(other than what I saw on BN...)Mar 19 01:10
schestowitzBalrog: yes, new linkMar 19 01:10
schestowitz*sMar 19 01:10
_Hicham_what is that Roy?Mar 19 01:10
_Hicham_is it true that RedHat is changing its policy?Mar 19 01:11
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2...Mar 19 01:11
schestowitz_Hicham_: no, same policy at Red Hat.Mar 19 01:11
schestowitzOne person/group at least is upsetMar 19 01:11
schestowitzIt's not representative of a broad viewMar 19 01:11
Balrog__but it's nevertheless disturbing.....?Mar 19 01:14
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Mar 19 01:14
schestowitzBalrog: to an extentMar 19 01:14
schestowitzI know Pieter, so..Mar 19 01:14
schestowitzgnMar 19 01:20
zer0c00libm wants to buy sun? http://www.businessweek.com/tech...Mar 19 01:21
zer0c00lhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090...Mar 19 01:21
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mib_x0x3s0what the hell is wrong with microsoftMar 19 02:00
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tessierWe've been asking that question for years.Mar 19 03:43
_Hicham_tessier : some people just dont careMar 19 03:44
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twitterM$ was founded by people who used computers the wrong way, against their owners and without their consent.  Everything they have done since flows from that attitude.Mar 19 03:52
twitterhttp://slashdot.org/~twitter...Mar 19 03:52
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twittergnMar 19 04:36
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schestowitzmonrinMar 19 08:06
zoobab01hiMar 19 08:21
schestowitzAny news?Mar 19 08:21
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zoobab01I have some audio recordings of the STOA eventMar 19 08:34
zoobab01next week is the WIPO meetingMar 19 08:34
schestowitzI see......Mar 19 08:35
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...Mar 19 08:39
PetoKraushahahaMar 19 09:03
PetoKrausthe linux adverts are hilariousMar 19 09:04
schestowitzThe Paradox of Transparency < http://radar.oreilly.com/200... >Mar 19 09:06
schestowitzTurns out Obama continues with the Bush lies: Gates Carries Over Iraq-WMD Lie < http://www.consortiumnews.com/... >Mar 19 09:07
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schestowitzSUSE Linux Enterprise Server-- the Pointless Linux? < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxpla... >Mar 19 09:41
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schestowitzoiaohm: is it known if Apple's doing DRM in headphones? What's the verdict? Maybe Balrog would know tooMar 19 10:04
oiaohmAt this time not enough details to make a call schestowitzMar 19 10:05
schestowitzIf it's a storm in a teacup, then it's better off ignored.Mar 19 10:05
schestowitzI'll waitMar 19 10:05
oiaohmProblem with working out if a chip is linked to DRM is all the different forms of DRM>Mar 19 10:06
oiaohmWatermarking will be the hardest to prove of disprove.Mar 19 10:06
oiaohmof/orMar 19 10:06
oiaohmThink the chip inside the head phones provides the only controls for the ipod shuffle.   Its not exactly DRM but its a bit of required chip for some devices.Mar 19 10:10
oiaohmNo matter what the thing Apple is doing is a vendor lock making replacement head phones harder schestowitzMar 19 10:15
oiaohmIf more companies copy with there own different standard nice way to make head phones more expesnive.Mar 19 10:15
oiaohmThere is no really special reason why control part and headphones could not have been two parts.Mar 19 10:16
schestowitzYes, agreed.Mar 19 10:17
schestowitzThere's this deviation from standardsMar 19 10:17
schestowitzRisky territories.Mar 19 10:17
oiaohmTechs you are looking for when you suspect something is a drm device linked.  Is doing encryption/decencryption.  Apple has said the chip is not doing that.   Providing a unique id Apple has not ruled that out at this stage.Mar 19 10:18
oiaohmFinally watermarking audio near it.  Very had to split for normal interferance to singles a chip can cause.Mar 19 10:19
oiaohmReally the unique id bit should get rules out in time.Mar 19 10:20
oiaohmThat is the problem when something is claimed that a chip could be DRM is disproving it when there are no other makers of the chip and the design is closed to public review.Mar 19 10:22
oiaohmSee you have had a lot of new schestowitzMar 19 10:27
oiaohmnew/newsMar 19 10:27
schestowitzYes, loads. Maybe today too, who knows..? It's a good sign for FOSSMar 19 10:28
oiaohmYou have to remember that using timings from computer responses has been trialed as a system to id a system remotely.  Its about 98 precent correct.  So basically everything is already partly watermarked by maker defects.Mar 19 10:32
oiaohmWatermarking is the hardest anti copy system to detect.Mar 19 10:33
oiaohmIts the stupid thing about DRM most DRM systems do not use watermarking to re enforce them.Mar 19 10:35
schestowitzWell, too late for themMar 19 10:35
schestowitzCreative Commons grewMar 19 10:35
schestowitzThey need to adapt to other business modelMar 19 10:35
schestowitzThe ages of printing 0s and 1s on plastic discs and shipping it to homes is overMar 19 10:36
schestowitzLikewise for the idea of putting 1-2 good tracks and some 'fill', then charging $1 per track, including the 'fill' (to give illusion of value)Mar 19 10:36
schestowitzdon't feed the mafiaa. http://torrentfreak.com/sxs...Mar 19 10:38
oiaohmSome of the Watermarkers out there that don't get labeled as drm is like http://www.magnatune.com/Mar 19 10:39
oiaohmEmbeding person personal information in the file kinda discourages them sharing it.Mar 19 10:39
oiaohmOld saying is so true there is more than 1 way to skin a cat.Mar 19 10:41
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schestowitzoiaohm: watermarking the cat?Mar 19 10:43
harrytuttlehiMar 19 10:44
schestowitzHey, harrytuttle Mar 19 10:44
harrytuttleive had an idea about the consorship going on right nowMar 19 10:44
harrytuttlefrom ACMAMar 19 10:44
harrytuttlehttp://tech.slashdot.org/article...Mar 19 10:44
harrytuttleso its about that link thats on that blacklist and comes with a fine of $11000Mar 19 10:45
harrytuttlethe one which is anti-abortionMar 19 10:45
harrytuttleso wikipedia tests this by linking from their ACMA-article to that siteMar 19 10:46
harrytuttlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...Mar 19 10:46
oiaohmThey under extermate power of the Australian Communications and Media Authority in Australia.Mar 19 10:47
schestowitzConroy?Mar 19 10:47
oiaohmLicense telecommunications carriers and ensure compliance with licence conditions and carriage service provider rules  << Notice this.Mar 19 10:47
oiaohmACMA has the power to shutdown ISP's.Mar 19 10:48
harrytuttlewhat if everbody would take such a "blacklisted" link (which could be considered unrightfully un such a list because its free speech other than maybe offensive and illegal stuff)Mar 19 10:48
oiaohmBy removing there LicenseMar 19 10:48
harrytuttleand posted this link on any public site which allows comments like youtube?Mar 19 10:48
oiaohmIdea that stunts will work against them.Mar 19 10:48
oiaohmNot wise.Mar 19 10:48
oiaohmRemember ACMA has the power to force a firewall into existance without goverment approval.Mar 19 10:49
harrytuttlebut youtube would have to either blacklisted also or remove that under the fineMar 19 10:49
oiaohmI am sorry those stunt pullers are playing right into ACMA hands.Mar 19 10:49
harrytuttleso i guess google would fight thatMar 19 10:49
harrytuttleoiaohm can you please explain?Mar 19 10:50
oiaohmIe if 11000 dollar fines don't work.  Australian will end up with completely censored internet.Mar 19 10:50
harrytuttleno wayMar 19 10:50
oiaohmACMA does not need goverment approval to do it.Mar 19 10:50
harrytuttleso whhat?Mar 19 10:50
oiaohmAll they need is law breakers.Mar 19 10:50
oiaohmLeading to need for extra enforcement.Mar 19 10:51
oiaohmSo thoses smart asses as playing straight into ACMA hands.Mar 19 10:51
oiaohmFailure to understand ACMA with the right to take away licences from all ISP and Phone carries unless they do what they want in Australia.Mar 19 10:52
oiaohmIs past being controlled by any form of trick.Mar 19 10:52
schestowitzSign of the times (for non-Free software): Oracle License Sales Fall in Q3 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161501/ora... >Mar 19 10:53
oiaohmBy the way harrytuttle one forbin video in the past had it DNS entry to its website blocked by Australian ISP's due to ACMA order.Mar 19 10:54
harrytuttleoh, okay so you say we should just stand by and watch them do unjustice in the first place? WE are no law-breakers, THEY are...Mar 19 10:54
harrytuttleits not pastMar 19 10:54
oiaohmDoing wrong against them will not work.Mar 19 10:55
harrytuttleso they should just do that to youtube, they should ban whole youtube from australiaMar 19 10:55
oiaohmSimple fact that is in there power harrytuttleMar 19 10:56
harrytuttleso yeah, WE have the power to make them do that!!!Mar 19 10:56
oiaohmAt this stage they are trying fines instead of extream force.Mar 19 10:56
harrytuttleso they should fine youtubeMar 19 10:57
oiaohmNext step will most likely be forced web filtering on ISPs.Mar 19 10:57
harrytuttlewell, fineMar 19 10:57
harrytuttlego ahead i sayMar 19 10:57
harrytuttleif it affects youtube, wonderfullMar 19 10:57
oiaohmIts a gandie (Ok fameous guy that proved force was not required to win).Mar 19 10:58
oiaohmThere are many peaceful ways to protest.  Finding invalid items black listed is 1.Mar 19 10:59
oiaohmWinning against some with the power to take you out does not happen by making yourself look bad.Mar 19 10:59
*schestowitz looks into a bizarre server issue at BN. The server as a whole hardly responds, so it doesn't seem like account-level issueMar 19 11:03
schestowitzThe server has an error. There is no access to databases and I cannot access cpanel either (it just doesn't quite respond). I just though I should draw the host's attention to it, so I did. This is annoying. There was also 1/2 hour downtime yesterday around the same time.Mar 19 11:08
oiaohmHmm that sounds like a cron job.Mar 19 11:08
oiaohmIts too regular.Mar 19 11:08
schestowitzIt's quite often that it happens in the mornings (GMT)Mar 19 11:09
schestowitzEither way, it doesn't seem to be an account-level issue (I hope not) and no DB is reachable.Mar 19 11:09
schestowitzDoes cpanel rely on a DB too?Mar 19 11:09
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oiaohmSome versions do schestowitzMar 19 11:10
oiaohmDefine morning.Mar 19 11:10
schestowitzHmm... TechFlash seems to be down tooMar 19 11:11
schestowitzoiaohm: not exactly the same times... but over in the US it's night timeMar 19 11:11
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oiaohmThere is a gobal thing. between midnight and 1am  local time email sync happens.Mar 19 11:11
schestowitzAnother thing:Mar 19 11:12
oiaohmTheory is that is when the lightest load on the network.Mar 19 11:12
schestowitzyesterday, after a 1/2 hour downtime, there was a time changeMar 19 11:12
schestowitzThe server went an hour backwardsMar 19 11:12
oiaohmThat is a crash.Mar 19 11:12
oiaohmServer time cannot go backwards without a splat.Mar 19 11:12
schestowitzBut I thought DST had already occurred in the US.Mar 19 11:12
schestowitzoiaohm: I see......Mar 19 11:13
oiaohmDST time stops.Mar 19 11:13
oiaohmOk oppsMar 19 11:13
schestowitzMicrosoft has released IE8... more poison on the web.... "compatibility mode"Mar 19 11:13
oiaohmgrennish mean time does not alter with DSTMar 19 11:13
schestowitzGreenwich?Mar 19 11:13
oiaohmgreenwish mean time ie GMT+0Mar 19 11:14
schestowitzYes.Mar 19 11:14
oiaohmIf that altered wrong server has a problem.,Mar 19 11:15
schestowitzI can only access stuff like webalizer (no DB). The rest sort of times outMar 19 11:15
oiaohmI am so use to system admins we check server with some time that is not effected by DST.Mar 19 11:15
oiaohmDoes not take much to code up a page to show GMT on a server.Mar 19 11:15
schestowitzUS runs smear campaigns and such in South America: "one of the media coverage mentions the role of the Washington D.C.-headquartered political consulting firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner. In a media release, the firm states that it provided "public opinion research and strategic advice" for Funes' campaign." http://www.prwatch.org/node/8273Mar 19 11:18
oiaohmOk what kind of time does your database store schestowitzMar 19 11:19
oiaohmI hope not local time effected by DST.   That can sometimes send some websites into fits.Mar 19 11:19
schestowitzIndustries Storm States Over Climate Change < http://www.followthemoney.org/press/R... >Mar 19 11:20
schestowitzoiaohm: I don't know what timeMar 19 11:21
schestowitzoiaohm: why DST though?Mar 19 11:21
schestowitzI only brought it up because a day ago it changedMar 19 11:21
oiaohmNormally bad compares.Mar 19 11:23
oiaohmIE hang on It was midnight just before it cannot be it again problem.Mar 19 11:23
schestowitzit feel around 11am today. Let me check yesterday'sMar 19 11:23
oiaohmGood database interfaces you don't use local time ever.Mar 19 11:24
schestowitzoh, around 8am GTM yesterdayMar 19 11:24
oiaohmYou convert from GMT to local so it cannot happen.  I don't know how well wordpress is designed.Mar 19 11:24
oiaohmI know phpnuke had a problem for a while because it let admins set local time to be stored in database.Mar 19 11:25
schestowitzoiaohm: it's not a WordPress issueMar 19 11:25
schestowitzWikimedia can't reach the DB either. Neither can cpanel, apparentlyMar 19 11:26
oiaohmJust had to rule it out.Mar 19 11:26
oiaohmIf its about the same time always you would say its a service or a action.Mar 19 11:27
oiaohmHopefully not a cleaner pulling a power plug.Mar 19 11:27
oiaohmYes that really does happen schestowitzMar 19 11:27
oiaohmHardest one I ever had to track down was a pure power disruption because caused by the lights and other computers being turned on in the building leading to a switch failing temporary.Mar 19 11:31
schestowitz"Joe Tartakoff, the former Microsoft reporter at the Seattle P-I.." http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/...Mar 19 11:31
schestowitzThe server is thereMar 19 11:32
schestowitzJust not the DB server, I thinkMar 19 11:32
schestowitzOKMar 19 11:33
schestowitzSomething's happeningMar 19 11:33
schestowitzNow it responds quickly to say no DBs are there.Mar 19 11:33
schestowitzcpanel: "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at boycottnovell.com:2082" it used to just time out before, not it's 'not there', so maybe it's worked on?Mar 19 11:34
schestowitzOk, server offline nowMar 19 11:35
schestowitzUbuntu Newbie Guide: Compiz, How to Get the Cube and Mac-like Dock Bar (Avant Window Navigator) [part 4] < http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/03/com... >Mar 19 11:37
schestowitzOK, it's back after less than an hourMar 19 11:41
schestowitzoiaohm: you may be right.. about DSTMar 19 11:45
schestowitzI notice that one post did not appear because of time... as though timing or something had it confusedMar 19 11:45
schestowitzCould server problems be caused by this (CMS/commit times), oiaohm?>Mar 19 11:46
oiaohmDepends on the SQL script send to database server.Mar 19 11:47
oiaohmIf it goes into a load loop causing the db to be killed due to too much load yes.Mar 19 11:48
schestowitzFor all I can tell, adding to DB at 5AM server time is when problems struckMar 19 11:48
schestowitzThen, although the data was put it, it was seen as 'future time', therefore didn't appearMar 19 11:48
oiaohmThat is sounding like a flaw in the way it setup.Mar 19 11:49
oiaohmIt depending on local time instead of something solid like GMT.Mar 19 11:49
schestowitzServer time not changedMar 19 11:50
schestowitzAnyway, no data was lost or anything. Let's wait for host's diagnosis (if they bother)Mar 19 11:51
oiaohmIt could be a simple database server splat.Mar 19 11:51
oiaohmCaused by bad SQL from something like the CMS.Mar 19 11:51
oiaohmSo check it for updates and if any problem like you are suffering form is reported schestowitzMar 19 11:52
schestowitzWhy is Ubuntu the most popular distro? < http://manishtech.wordpress.com/2009/0... > This would annoy manyMar 19 11:52
oiaohmBecause Redhat is not intestested in Desktop at this stage schestowitzMar 19 11:52
oiaohmNot like Desktop pays anything at this stage.Mar 19 11:52
oiaohmUbuntu has failed to make there Desktop cash generating.Mar 19 11:53
oiaohmDesktop linking cleanly to servers is required to make desktop pay.Mar 19 11:53
schestowitz"boycottn_wrdp1.wp_categories warning : 4 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly status : OK boycottn_wrdp1.wp_comments warning : 1 client is using or hasn't closed the table properly status : OK boycottn_wrdp1.wp_crossreferences warning : 4 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly status : OK"Mar 19 11:53
schestowitzJust the usual.Mar 19 11:53
schestowitzBecause it's still runningMar 19 11:53
schestowitz"This MySQL server has been running for 0 days, 0 hours, 18 minutes and 17 seconds. It started up on Mar 19, 2009 at 06:47 AM. "Mar 19 11:54
schestowitz"Query statistics: Since its startup, 258,353 queries have been sent to the server."Mar 19 11:54
schestowitzJay Leno Freaks Out That The Unemployed Might Prefer Money Over Free Leno Tickets < http://techdirt.com/articles/2... >Mar 19 11:56
schestowitzPeople who use barrels to catch rain from their roofs breaking law, says State of Colorado < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/... >Mar 19 11:59
schestowitzIt's *Not* The 15th Birthday of Linux – and Why That Matters < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/i... >Mar 19 12:03
oiaohmLinux was still quite raw to use in 1993Mar 19 12:07
oiaohmIt was still quite tough to use in 1995Mar 19 12:08
oiaohmIt had to been bad for me to still remember it over the vista nightmare.Mar 19 12:08
schestowitzVista will be remembered like Edsel.Mar 19 12:16
oiaohmWhat was Edsel LOLMar 19 12:20
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdselMar 19 12:23
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/column...Mar 19 12:23
oiaohmReally IBM and SUN merging could be bad for AMD and INTEL.Mar 19 12:31
oiaohmMost of X86 motherboard tech depends on IBM and SUN patents.Mar 19 12:31
oiaohmhttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3...  Nice mips chip.Mar 19 12:34
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zer0c00lhi :-)Mar 19 12:36
oiaohmHi zer0c00lMar 19 12:36
zer0c00lyesMar 19 12:37
zer0c00lschestowitz: I thought of converting it and send, but decided to send it as is at the last momentMar 19 12:38
MinceRhayMar 19 12:39
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zer0c00lfingerprints?Mar 19 12:39
oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=...  Intel not having a good day with there video driver and the Linux kernel.Mar 19 12:40
zer0c00lschestowitz: i got moreMar 19 12:40
zer0c00l:-)Mar 19 12:40
zer0c00lsending it one by oneMar 19 12:40
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, seen itMar 19 12:46
schestowitzzer0c00l: yes, that was funnyMar 19 12:51
schestowitzI like jokes by mailMar 19 12:51
zer0c00llolMar 19 12:51
schestowitzneed wiki for those maybeMar 19 12:51
zer0c00lyeah i got it from my friendsMar 19 12:51
schestowitzPGP fingerprintsMar 19 12:52
schestowitzBut for jokes who needs em?Mar 19 12:52
zer0c00lthat would be funMar 19 12:52
zer0c00lit would be fun if we add "Rants and laughs" column in bn like linux haterMar 19 12:53
zer0c00l:-)Mar 19 12:54
oiaohmNoMar 19 12:54
zer0c00lwhy no?Mar 19 12:54
oiaohmRants and laughs Linux hater uses for insulting people.Mar 19 12:55
zer0c00lyeahMar 19 12:55
oiaohmNot something we should copy.Mar 19 12:55
zer0c00lokMar 19 12:55
oiaohmEven trying mythbusting bring conflits.Mar 19 12:56
*zer0c00l agreesMar 19 12:56
oiaohmA what the... section could be fun.  Or a what were they thinking.Mar 19 12:56
oiaohmBasically mothers of screwups that cannot be taken as anything else.Mar 19 12:57
oiaohmNot really insulting but they do happen.Mar 19 12:57
schestowitzYeah.....Mar 19 12:58
zer0c00lschestowitz: where did you get those pictures which you posted in BN?Mar 19 13:00
zer0c00lyou do those by your own?Mar 19 13:01
zer0c00lsome pics are really coolMar 19 13:01
zer0c00l:-)Mar 19 13:01
schestowitzStock ExcahngeMar 19 13:02
schestowitzhttp://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtmlMar 19 13:02
schestowitzThat's what I've used in my personal blog since 2004.Mar 19 13:03
*zer0c00l looksMar 19 13:03
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seller_liartrmanco: hey trmancoMar 19 13:12
seller_liarseller_liar: are you here?Mar 19 13:15
seller_liartrmanco:  are you here?Mar 19 13:15
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zer0c00lnoo  he is portugal ;)Mar 19 13:16
zer0c00l*inMar 19 13:16
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schestowitzSun Microsystems' Rise And Fall < http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/18/sun-m... >Mar 19 13:23
oiaohmChange name for Microsoft and its almost history repeating schestowitzMar 19 13:34
Omar871Hey all.Mar 19 13:35
EruaranhelloMar 19 13:37
zer0c00lhiiMar 19 13:37
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_Hicham_Hi All!Mar 19 13:43
_Hicham_nobody is in here?Mar 19 13:43
oiaohmMaybeMar 19 13:45
schestowitz:-)Mar 19 13:45
*schestowitz hides under <table height="1700">Mar 19 13:46
Omar871schestowitz: lolMar 19 13:48
zer0c00l:DMar 19 13:48
Omar871schestowitz: Can I ask for you consultation in something?Mar 19 13:49
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_Hicham_Roy : anything new about the RedHat patent?Mar 19 13:51
schestowitzCheck out the picture and price tag. This is pretty amazing: http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/...Mar 19 13:53
schestowitzOmar871: sure.Mar 19 13:54
Omar871schestowitz: Thanks.Mar 19 13:54
schestowitz_Hicham_: no, I sent it for PJ to see thoughMar 19 13:54
schestowitzToo many Red Hat "yes" men is riskyMar 19 13:54
Omar871schestowitz: At college, I'm taking an MIS-Management Information Systems- course this semester, and the Doctor asked us to works in groups and prepare a case study about an organization of our choice.Mar 19 13:55
schestowitzMan tries Windows-centric hardware with Linux, blames Linux < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology... >Mar 19 13:56
schestowitzUnicef :-)Mar 19 13:56
Omar871To analyze their business model, find out their organizational structure, show they employed IT in their work, how did that affect their revenues, how did it help them achieve their goals.. etc.Mar 19 13:58
Omar871We've actually decided to take Wikimedia.Mar 19 13:58
schestowitzGood.Mar 19 13:59
Omar871Now, the question is, where can I find detailed information about their structure, their business model.. etc.Mar 19 13:59
schestowitzNot some tyranny.,Mar 19 13:59
Omar871?Mar 19 13:59
Omar871Yup. :)Mar 19 13:59
schestowitzStart with Wikipedia and follow the refrences.Mar 19 14:00
Omar871mhmm.. Good idea! Thanks. ;)Mar 19 14:01
schestowitzAt the end, put the work online to help others. No matter the language.Mar 19 14:03
schestowitz_Hicham_: Red Hat Clarifies Patent Stance, Emphasizes Commitment to Open Source < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/ben... >Mar 19 14:14
zoobab01you cannot rely on "promises"Mar 19 14:18
zoobab01another company will buy RH and is free to change the promise the way they wantMar 19 14:18
zoobab01promise is not leally bindingMar 19 14:18
zoobab01legallyMar 19 14:18
schestowitzOracle...Mar 19 14:24
schestowitzBN is down (technical reasons) *sigh*Mar 19 14:24
zer0c00lyes This Account is Experiencing Technical DifficultiesMar 19 14:24
zer0c00lSorry for the inconvenience.Mar 19 14:25
zer0c00lwhen it will be upMar 19 14:25
MinceR"suspended.page"Mar 19 14:26
schestowitzYes, they work on itMar 19 14:27
schestowitzDowntime yesterday and this morning.Mar 19 14:28
Omar871schestowitz: Sure! I'll consider that too!Mar 19 14:33
Omar871schestowitz: I might very well sum it all up in a neat document and upload it to one or a couple of the famous documents websites, licensed under CC of course.Mar 19 14:35
schestowitz_Hicham_: Fedora's leader on the Red Hat issue: "I keep asking myself, do people really think Red Hat is on the constant verge of turning to the Dark Side? What does a company have to do to get some credit?" http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~pau...Mar 19 14:43
MinceRhe should ask himself how difficult would it be for microsoft to buy RH nowMar 19 14:49
schestowitz"Open Solaris 2008.11 has a lot to go. It's better than 2008.05 and this is an important, encouraging step. However, it still cannot compare with the popular Linux distros, like openSUSE, Ubuntu or others. Major problems seem to be a rather deep gap between beginner's despair and comfortable knowledge, lack of online sources to assist you in your quest and a certain rigidity toward daily stuff that people want, like multimedia, intMar 19 14:50
schestowitzeractivity and good support for all sorts of peripherals and gadgets. It may be the Solaris marketing model, it may be me and my Linux-heavy habits, but I did not find 2008.11 to be ready for the average user, even an average Linux user, at that. "Mar 19 14:50
schestowitzhttp://www.dedoimedo.com/computers...Mar 19 14:50
schestowitzAnother MinceR: http://daveshields.wordpress.com/2009/... (Opera is THE BEST BROWSER for Ubuntu 8.10 Linux)Mar 19 14:53
schestowitzbblMar 19 15:15
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schestowitz"It looks like this was actually caused by your account. This account suspended by another technician due to causing load on the server ..." :-(Mar 19 16:55
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schestowitzSh*tMar 19 16:59
schestowitzwe must upgrade to better hostingMar 19 16:59
schestowitzbrbMar 19 17:00
NeonFlosswhat do you have right now?Mar 19 17:01
schestowitzSharedMar 19 17:01
NeonFlosshow fast of a line?Mar 19 17:02
schestowitzQueries per second avg: 288.556Mar 19 17:03
zoobab01put lighttpd in frontMar 19 17:03
zoobab01a static cacheMar 19 17:04
schestowitzThis is a PITAMar 19 17:05
schestowitzI think I know what may have caused it and I'll modify the code to reduce load if they quickly unsuspend the account. I will also contact a host and see if/when we can move.Mar 19 17:06
schestowitzYour Surpass Hosting Hosting Account boycottnovell.com has been suspended because of CGI/PHP OverloadMar 19 17:07
schestowitzThis was done for the following reason:Mar 19 17:07
schestowitzCGI/PHP OverloadMar 19 17:07
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schestowitzThis account, boycottn, has been causing high load on the server and has been suspended:Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz==================== ================= =================== ===========================Mar 19 17:07
schestowitzWe have taken the following action against your account:Mar 19 17:07
schestowitzWe've suspended the account as it's been causing high load for MySQL and PHP:Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz| Id   | User           | Host      | db             | Command | Time | State    | Info|Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz+------+----------- -----+-----------+-------------- --+---------+------+----------+-------- ----------------------------- -------------------------+Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz| 9157 | northpol_joom1 | localhost | northpol_joom1 | Sleep   | 1    |          ||Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz| 9158 | northpol_joom1 | localhost | northpol_joom1 | Sleep   | 9    |          ||Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz| 9164 | northpol_joom1 | localhost |Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz| 9173 | northpol_joom1 | localhost | northpol_joom1 | Sleep   | 4    |          ||Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz| 9176 | northpol_joom1 | localhost | northpol_joom1 | Query   | 0    | Updating | UPDATE jos_stats_agentsMar 19 17:07
schestowitzSET hits = ( hits + 1 )Mar 19 17:07
schestowitzWHERE agent = 'Windows XP'Mar 19 17:07
schestowitzAND type = 1 |Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz| 9177 | root           | localhost |                | Query   | 0    |          | show processlistMar 19 17:07
schestowitz                    |Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz+------+----------------+-- ---------+----------------+------ ---+------+----------+------- ------------------------------------ -------------------+Mar 19 17:07
schestowitzUptime: 4936  Threads: 10  Questions: 1424311  Slow queries: 4  Opens: 1641  Flush tables: 1  Open tables: 512  Queries per second avg: 288.556Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz================== ===================== =================== =========================Mar 19 17:07
schestowitzYou can resolve this situation by following these instructions:Mar 19 17:07
schestowitzAdjust the MySQL code, maybe this issue is related to an inefficiency in the code. If this doesn't mitigate the issue and the traffic is legitimate traffic, please consider a Dedicated or VPS hosting environment.Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz==Mar 19 17:08
schestowitzSo I'll trim the codeMar 19 17:08
schestowitzWe agreed that I'll trim down the code significantly (I know what caused this) if the account can be brought back online quickly. We got some query sample. :-SMar 19 17:20
schestowitzI'll trim all the pages down considerable (almost no DB load) and then check php/mysqladmin too see how load it affected.Mar 19 17:30
schestowitz"Android-powered netbooks will emerge in 2009, analysts are predicting." http://news.zdnet.com/2100-95...Mar 19 17:30
schestowitzAnother optimistic take on IBM-Sun: eWEEK Labs on IBM/Sun: Open-Source Community Would Win < http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Sou... >Mar 19 17:37
MinceR"powered" is an exaggerationMar 19 17:38
MinceRi'd rather call them "android-addled"Mar 19 17:38
tessier_You don't care for android?Mar 19 17:39
MinceRi don't, as long as it's crippled in the way it isMar 19 17:41
MinceRcrippled libc, no c++ support, no native app supportMar 19 17:41
MinceR(and then i haven't even mentioned the lack of x)Mar 19 17:41
MinceRit's inadequate even for a pda/phone and now someone has the bright idea to cripple a netbook with itMar 19 17:41
schestowitzWow. Check out: Mar 19 17:43
schestowitzhttp://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAct...Mar 19 17:43
schestowitz"The situation in European Manufacturing is very serious and they have to dump billions on the markets. It is not crisis, more ike 2nd Great depression and the figures are horrible."Mar 19 17:44
schestowitzhttp://www.egovmonitor.com/node/24173Mar 19 17:45
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PetoKrausrightMar 19 18:05
schestowitzBN is backMar 19 18:05
PetoKrausi'm quite sure now, that PIFTS exe is norton's tool how to infect more people's computersMar 19 18:05
schestowitzI am trimming it down, so it'll look funnt temporarilyMar 19 18:05
PetoKrausi meanMar 19 18:05
PetoKrauslook at the well timed response by malware companiesMar 19 18:06
PetoKrausit does seem too coincidential to meMar 19 18:06
tessier_MinceR: What do you mean by no native app support?Mar 19 18:06
MinceRtessier_: i mean that native linux apps are unsupportedMar 19 18:07
tessier_Why would you want C++ support on it?Mar 19 18:07
MinceRthey can't access the GUI nor the special hardwareMar 19 18:07
tessier_It's not a regular PC.Mar 19 18:07
MinceRso i could run apps other than shitty java appsMar 19 18:07
MinceRsee, that's the problem with itMar 19 18:07
tessier_I don't care for java either. But you aren't going to be able to run X on it like a normal machine. The hardware just isn't there.Mar 19 18:07
tessier_Does the iphone run X?Mar 19 18:08
tessier_"While Linux netbook sales are increasingly lagging Windows ones, the analyst reckons Android could help reverse the trend. "Mar 19 18:08
tessier_Hmm...is that true?Mar 19 18:08
MinceRthe iphone is even more crippledMar 19 18:10
schestowitzPetoKraus: is it true that as the rumour goes, AV companies spread riskMar 19 18:10
schestowitz?Mar 19 18:10
MinceRi doubt being able to run even less apps would make netbooks more attractiveMar 19 18:10
schestowitzMinceR: it's an IBM phone nowMar 19 18:10
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schestowitz(java)Mar 19 18:10
PetoKrauswell i am almost sure that the AV business is just a self-perpetuating fluffMar 19 18:10
schestowitzThat too, matter of business, liability to shareholders, etc.Mar 19 18:11
PetoKrausi don't believe that someone is capable of writing something like Conficker, and no one in the whole antivirus business is able to stop itMar 19 18:11
balzacPetoKraus: I agreeMar 19 18:11
balzacIt's a protection racket sponsored and enabled by MicrosoftMar 19 18:11
MinceRno one in the antivirus business can take effect on all windows pc-sMar 19 18:11
PetoKrausWe guard your souls for peanuts, we guard your shops and houses for something more.Mar 19 18:12
PetoKraus     - Peter GabrielMar 19 18:12
MinceR(m$ is in the best position for that but some people disable automatic updates because they're implemented in the most annoying way possible)Mar 19 18:12
balzacMicrosoft's willfully insecure design is also responsible for the giant spamming and DOS botnetsMar 19 18:12
PetoKraussureMar 19 18:12


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