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| schestowitz | But Ballmer is like an animal... punching below the belt | Apr 01 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Throwing chair in the ring | Apr 01 21:48 |
| _Hicham_ | u should protect ur balls | Apr 01 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Yelp and leaping to scare the opponents | Apr 01 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I. Love. This. Company yYEEEEEEEEEEEEYHAHAH | Apr 01 21:48 |
| _Hicham_ | and u will say : I am gonna fuck u and ur Company | Apr 01 21:49 |
| jose | :-) | Apr 01 21:49 |
| _Hicham_ | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | Apr 01 21:49 |
| jose | i love this company | Apr 01 21:49 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u love schestowitz? | Apr 01 21:49 |
| jose | schestowitz, maybe the processing bit will come up again later.. i'm going to go, ok? | Apr 01 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I dunno | Apr 01 21:50 |
| schestowitz | jose: OK, we can carry on later | Apr 01 21:50 |
| jose | bye | Apr 01 21:50 |
| *jose has quit ("Leaving") | Apr 01 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | I just saw this s/w | Apr 01 21:50 |
| schestowitz | never mind, he's gone | Apr 01 21:51 |
| schestowitz | One of the havens from Conficker attacks are other DNS options. They too get attacked: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... | Apr 01 21:54 |
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| _Hicham_ | Roy : what do u do for a living? | Apr 01 21:54 |
| schestowitz | EMC is now a shill for Microsoft: EMC VP breaks company's own embargo < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/... > | Apr 01 21:54 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you've asked this before | Apr 01 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | MS hijacked names: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... | Apr 01 21:55 |
| schestowitz | The big story here is that they grabbed IBM's identity to confuse: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... I think IBM uses SLES | Apr 01 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I got the Nvidia driver to build on 2.6.29-git8 :P | Apr 01 21:55 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : u didn't answer | Apr 01 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | they were depending on deprecated crap that just got removed | Apr 01 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 01 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | so I removed all references to it in the kernel interface source | Apr 01 21:56 |
| schestowitz | " (He didn't stay retired for long. In January 2003, Gerstner took the position of chairman at private equity giant The Carlyle Group.)" http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... WOW! | Apr 01 21:56 |
| schestowitz | The Carlyle Gang has IBMers in it now? It's one of those societies that runs the US (=commerce) from behind the scenes | Apr 01 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : did u try the Nouveau Driver? | Apr 01 21:57 |
| Balrog | I did, works good. | Apr 01 21:57 |
| Balrog | (nouveau) | Apr 01 21:57 |
| Balrog | but it's slow and no 3D | Apr 01 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... "A father suspected of murdering five members of his family before killing himself has been identified as a Yahoo! engineer." | Apr 01 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | Nouveau is 2d only | Apr 01 21:58 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : so no Compiz? | Apr 01 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | and thrashes the hard disk | Apr 01 21:58 |
| schestowitz | There was an incident not so long ago of a Microsoft murder-suicide | Apr 01 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's crappier than NV | Apr 01 21:58 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : Fedora will adopt Nouveau by default | Apr 01 21:58 |
| schestowitz | in f11 | Apr 01 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 01 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | and you're better off putting nv back | Apr 01 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Doen testing day last thurs | Apr 01 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | if you use Fedora 11 | Apr 01 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 01 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Three-fold global increase in infected websites < http://www.itwire.com/content/... > | Apr 01 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, why can't they just launch an attack on MS? | Apr 01 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | bring all their sites down? | Apr 01 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Open Source Is The Pinnacle Of The Free Market < http://californiaquantum.wordpress.com/200... > | Apr 01 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | that would be cool | Apr 01 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : MS is behind akamai | Apr 01 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Linux too | Apr 01 22:01 |
| MinceR | what, how | Apr 01 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Linux is 'behind' akamai | Apr 01 22:01 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 01 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | 20 million infected PCs will DDos your shit | Apr 01 22:01 |
| MinceR | don't you mean akamai is behind the m$ sites? | Apr 01 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what you have | Apr 01 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Akamai is cum though | Apr 01 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Software patents | Apr 01 22:01 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01 tracks their patent junk | Apr 01 22:01 |
| schestowitz | China vs CNN in 2007... | Apr 01 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Or 2008.. | Apr 01 22:02 |
| schestowitz | I don't think they manages to take it down, just to slow it down. CNN was preparing for it | Apr 01 22:02 |
| schestowitz | The Chinese were rightly angry because CNN delivers propaganda, not news. Then again, so does the BBC, based on people who worked there. | Apr 01 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | the Chinese are pissed about Propaganda? | Apr 01 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 01 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | you mean propaganda that they aren't spitting out | Apr 01 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Apr 01 22:03 |
| schestowitz | It would be so strange if national television EVER criticised ANYTHING the government does. It's like "impossible by design" | Apr 01 22:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it goes both ways | Apr 01 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | There's no such thing as a news agency that's not state-ran | Apr 01 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | but the Chinese are particularly bad with that | Apr 01 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Just put chopsticks in Obams's fists, you won't notice the difference | Apr 01 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | iron fisted bastards | Apr 01 22:04 |
| schestowitz | They both are hypocrites | Apr 01 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Perfect couple.. suppressing their population | Apr 01 22:04 |
| _Hicham_ | China is a threat | Apr 01 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | I can go protest the government and not be shot for it | Apr 01 22:05 |
| schestowitz | One calls itself the republic of the people and another lies differently, calling it "democracy" (Ha!) | Apr 01 22:05 |
| _Hicham_ | China is gonna eat the world | Apr 01 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | or imprisoned for 20 years | Apr 01 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | try that shit in China | Apr 01 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | go ahead | Apr 01 22:05 |
| _Hicham_ | China has a complete army of computer hackers | Apr 01 22:05 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the new war | Apr 01 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | China is one of the worst regimes in the world | Apr 01 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | and we do business with them every day | Apr 01 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I know it's no better online | Apr 01 22:06 |
| schestowitz | In terms of freedom of thought | Apr 01 22:06 |
| _Hicham_ | China's censure is very tough | Apr 01 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | so until we boycott them, I refuse to believe in any legitimate beef we have with any other country | Apr 01 22:06 |
| schestowitz | They get brainwashed like many others in the world though | Apr 01 22:06 |
| _Hicham_ | http://www.boycottchina.com | Apr 01 22:06 |
| *schestowitz checks | Apr 01 22:06 | |
| DaemonFC | how could you be brainwashed into thinking a 18 hour workday 6 days a week, or more | Apr 01 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | is ok? | Apr 01 22:06 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: not assigned to a host (parked) | Apr 01 22:07 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u check the site? :D | Apr 01 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | The chinese labor standards are worse than PRISON labor standards | Apr 01 22:07 |
| _Hicham_ | it was just a joke | Apr 01 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | in most other countries | Apr 01 22:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: face the Power | Apr 01 22:07 |
| MinceR | http://forums.somethingawful.com/a... | Apr 01 22:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: real? | Apr 01 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Cancel job? | Apr 01 22:08 |
| MinceR | apparently real | Apr 01 22:08 |
| schestowitz | I get the joke, but.. | Apr 01 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe greyed out when it's processed | Apr 01 22:08 |
| MinceR | it probably blindly puts the last command there | Apr 01 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Undo "think" | Apr 01 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Undo "MotherShip.phone() | Apr 01 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Bring me back me[sic] packet!! | Apr 01 22:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 01 22:10 |
| MinceR | Undo "Buy Adobe Product" | Apr 01 22:10 |
| schestowitz | error(99); quitting. | Apr 01 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Amazing: Guardian Asks UK Gov't To Investigate Google News For Not Contributing To Journalism? < http://www.techdirt.com/articles... > | Apr 01 22:13 |
| _Hicham_ | buy my products | Apr 01 22:14 |
| _Hicham_ | they are way cheap | Apr 01 22:14 |
| schestowitz | FeeBSD tops uptime list, but Kinux most prevalent: http://news.netcraft.com/arch... | Apr 01 22:14 |
| schestowitz | *Linux, not Kinux HEHE | Apr 01 22:15 |
| schestowitz | FeeBSD is a funny typo | Apr 01 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Would be a great name for OS X | Apr 01 22:15 |
| silentivm | :D | Apr 01 22:15 |
| _Hicham_ | FreeBSD will still dominate | Apr 01 22:15 |
| _Hicham_ | for a long time | Apr 01 22:15 |
| schestowitz | What makes it so? | Apr 01 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Simplicity? | Apr 01 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Thanks to campaign finance reform, activists can go to jail if their movie makes a politician look bad. < http://reason.com/news/show/132594.html > | Apr 01 22:16 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they are watching YOU: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n... | Apr 01 22:17 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : FreeBSD is the most secure OS | Apr 01 22:17 |
| schestowitz | By what measure? | Apr 01 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Not OpenBSD? | Apr 01 22:17 |
| _Hicham_ | by construction | Apr 01 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Based on patches and severity? | Apr 01 22:17 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: measure contruction | Apr 01 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Measure "prettiness" | Apr 01 22:18 |
| schestowitz | That's the idiocy promote in Miss World and all that malarkey | Apr 01 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Treating them like objects, but that's another subject altogether | Apr 01 22:18 |
| schestowitz | How do you define "Security" | Apr 01 22:18 |
| schestowitz | How do you define "market share"? | Apr 01 22:18 |
| _Hicham_ | Security? | Apr 01 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I know how Microsoft likes to define it | Apr 01 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Revenue. | Apr 01 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Preinstalls, not installed base | Apr 01 22:19 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, how to judge it? | Apr 01 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has its own 'ways' to measure security too | Apr 01 22:19 |
| _Hicham_ | Security is how the system can resist to attacks when all measures are on | Apr 01 22:19 |
| schestowitz | To each his own (self-fulfilling) method. | Apr 01 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Like "who invested the computer" | Apr 01 22:19 |
| _Hicham_ | that is the only measure of security that i can think of | Apr 01 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Define computer | Apr 01 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Define invent | Apr 01 22:20 |
| MinceR | WideOpenBSD? | Apr 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Move goalposts | Apr 01 22:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | JoBSD. | Apr 01 22:20 |
| MinceR | DramaBSD | Apr 01 22:20 |
| _Hicham_ | Revenue is everything Roy | Apr 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | JoBSOD | Apr 01 22:20 |
| _Hicham_ | who doesn't like money | Apr 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Jobs in the hospital | Apr 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: revenue is not everything to a scientist | Apr 01 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | May God help him | Apr 01 22:21 |
| schestowitz | RMS explained this too in CMU the other day | Apr 01 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Scientists want many things | Apr 01 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Not just money | Apr 01 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | what do they want? | Apr 01 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | if they can't profit from their research? | Apr 01 22:21 |
| schestowitz | It's an oversimplicifaction sold by the companies to the public to make them submissive labourers | Apr 01 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | why the fuck do a research in first place | Apr 01 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Fun. | Apr 01 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Curioussity | Apr 01 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Recognition | Apr 01 22:22 |
| MinceR | altavista doesn't cut it :/ | Apr 01 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Defeaating evil | Apr 01 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Defeaating illness | Apr 01 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Etc etc. | Apr 01 22:22 |
| PetoKraus | well | Apr 01 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | I won't do a research for fun or curiosity | Apr 01 22:22 |
| PetoKraus | it IS true | Apr 01 22:22 |
| PetoKraus | but the problem is | Apr 01 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | I will do a research for my own profit | Apr 01 22:22 |
| PetoKraus | scientists are not the only thing you need for research | Apr 01 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | and then I am gonna think of the community | Apr 01 22:22 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: OK, fine. | Apr 01 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Depends what luxury - if any -- you're after | Apr 01 22:23 |
| _Hicham_ | I can't tolerate someone stealing ideas | Apr 01 22:23 |
| schestowitz | To some people, bed and food is sufficient | Apr 01 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Some people just want a war to end. | Apr 01 22:23 |
| _Hicham_ | I am after a lot of money | Apr 01 22:23 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you steal ideas all the time | Apr 01 22:23 |
| schestowitz | How dare you? | Apr 01 22:23 |
| _Hicham_ | me? | Apr 01 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Your sentence was inspired by things you read | Apr 01 22:23 |
| schestowitz | yes, you! | Apr 01 22:23 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 01 22:23 |
| schestowitz | All you do is inspired | Apr 01 22:24 |
| silentivm | nice line of thought | Apr 01 22:24 |
| silentivm | :) | Apr 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Copies | Apr 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | 'Stolen' | Apr 01 22:24 |
| silentivm | XD | Apr 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | :) | Apr 01 22:24 |
| _Hicham_ | that is not stealing | Apr 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It is | Apr 01 22:24 |
| PetoKraus | stealing ideas is, in my opinion, stealing only if not well attributed | Apr 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | Apr 01 22:24 |
| _Hicham_ | we read them in a newspaper | Apr 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Is there a level of complexity? | Apr 01 22:24 |
| _Hicham_ | and we pay for the newspaper | Apr 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | If I make a statement that I heard somewhere, is that stealking? | Apr 01 22:24 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Apr 01 22:24 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not stealing | Apr 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | How many times do you make a joke based on something you learned? | Apr 01 22:24 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: it depends :) | Apr 01 22:24 |
| _Hicham_ | and I am not talking about that | Apr 01 22:25 |
| schestowitz | So just 'macro' stguff? | Apr 01 22:25 |
| PetoKraus | _Hicham_: yeah, but that's the point | Apr 01 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Where is the limit? | Apr 01 22:25 |
| PetoKraus | science is about knowledge | Apr 01 22:25 |
| PetoKraus | knowledge is atomic | Apr 01 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Science is useless without 'stealking' | Apr 01 22:25 |
| PetoKraus | you either have it or not | Apr 01 22:25 |
| _Hicham_ | the limit is that someone must be paid back the fruits of his idea | Apr 01 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Like stealking an equation you read in a book | Apr 01 22:25 |
| PetoKraus | he mustn't | Apr 01 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Or stealing words you saw | Apr 01 22:25 |
| PetoKraus | if they are worthless | Apr 01 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Or stealking an idea for a diagram you produce. | Apr 01 22:26 |
| _Hicham_ | not like some scientists who died poor | Apr 01 22:26 |
| PetoKraus | well | Apr 01 22:26 |
| _Hicham_ | there are some good scientists | Apr 01 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Everyone looks at input | Apr 01 22:26 |
| PetoKraus | it happened before | Apr 01 22:26 |
| PetoKraus | it'll happen again | Apr 01 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Without input, there's no output | Apr 01 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Output is aggregation of input | Apr 01 22:26 |
| PetoKraus | patents are not going to change it | Apr 01 22:26 |
| schestowitz | As simple as that | Apr 01 22:26 |
| _Hicham_ | we must at least give credit | Apr 01 22:26 |
| PetoKraus | yes | Apr 01 22:26 |
| PetoKraus | that's called "attribution" | Apr 01 22:26 |
| schestowitz | You learn X Y and Z and eit ZXY | Apr 01 22:26 |
| schestowitz | *emit | Apr 01 22:26 |
| PetoKraus | and in some jurisdiction is covered under separate law | Apr 01 22:26 |
| _Hicham_ | if we don't give credit, we are stealing | Apr 01 22:26 |
| PetoKraus | like slovakia | Apr 01 22:26 |
| PetoKraus | authorship law | Apr 01 22:27 |
| PetoKraus | and copyright law | Apr 01 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Patents make inventor poorer | Apr 01 22:27 |
| schestowitz | They garden some s*tty patent | Apr 01 22:27 |
| schestowitz | And they make no money | Apr 01 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Just waste time with lawyers | Apr 01 22:27 |
| schestowitz | When they could use their skill to invest some stuff instead | Apr 01 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | like for instance, if I say " boycott novell", i will say also " according to roy" | Apr 01 22:27 |
| schestowitz | *invent | Apr 01 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | so I want steal ur ideas | Apr 01 22:27 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: can you always do this? | Apr 01 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Apr 01 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | I will always mention ur name | Apr 01 22:28 |
| schestowitz | In any setnence you might aggregate things you read in 3 places | Apr 01 22:28 |
| _Hicham_ | because it is ur idea | Apr 01 22:28 |
| _Hicham_ | not mine | Apr 01 22:28 |
| schestowitz | In one sentence | Apr 01 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Maybe my idea is based on something I read in a blog | Apr 01 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Stealking by inference? | Apr 01 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Transitively? | Apr 01 22:28 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Apr 01 22:28 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Apr 01 22:28 |
| schestowitz | 'Stealking' that is | Apr 01 22:28 |
| _Hicham_ | I won't be stealing anyway | Apr 01 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I actually attribute lots | Apr 01 22:28 |
| schestowitz | BN is FILLED with references | Apr 01 22:28 |
| schestowitz | So anywhere I can I show nthe source of what I learned | Apr 01 22:29 |
| _Hicham_ | If u steal, ur a thief, but I won't | Apr 01 22:29 |
| schestowitz | And share it with readers | Apr 01 22:29 |
| _Hicham_ | because I mentioned the source | Apr 01 22:29 |
| schestowitz | It's helpful for me and hopefully others too | Apr 01 22:29 |
| _Hicham_ | I like the way u write | Apr 01 22:29 |
| schestowitz | But attrib is sometimes not enoughS | Apr 01 22:29 |
| schestowitz | So some would yell "stealling" | Apr 01 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Ideas are everywhere | Apr 01 22:29 |
| _Hicham_ | just give credit | Apr 01 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Complex combinations and /machines/ are another things | Apr 01 22:29 |
| _Hicham_ | and u r not a thief | Apr 01 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Some Nobel laureates advocate getting rid of all patents. | Apr 01 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | and fucking the researchers? | Apr 01 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Apr 01 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | so the businessmen can get richer? | Apr 01 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Few of them benefit from this | Apr 01 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Lawyers do | Apr 01 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It's a big lie to many | Apr 01 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Like with the MAFIAA | Apr 01 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | so there are fucked | Apr 01 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | they are damn fucked | Apr 01 22:31 |
| schestowitz | tghey use few superstars to create illusion of successin copyrigjhts | Apr 01 22:31 |
| _Hicham_ | who do u prefer, a scientist or a businessman? | Apr 01 22:31 |
| schestowitz | The vast majority of musicians get ripped off very badly | Apr 01 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Even if they sell albums they make not a dime | Apr 01 22:31 |
| schestowitz | They are better off selling on the Internet sometimes. | Apr 01 22:31 |
| _Hicham_ | so musicians should stop singing? | Apr 01 22:31 |
| schestowitz | scientist - businessma : similar things | Apr 01 22:31 |
| _Hicham_ | scientist is better than a businessman | Apr 01 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Human occupation is simialr | Apr 01 22:32 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Apr 01 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Just role playing | Apr 01 22:32 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Apr 01 22:32 |
| schestowitz | The ones doing the most job engage in phycsical labour | Apr 01 22:32 |
| _Hicham_ | a scientist doesn't think like a businessman | Apr 01 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Like building homes, not designing them | Apr 01 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Or farmers | Apr 01 22:32 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't like businessmen interfering with science | Apr 01 22:32 |
| _Hicham_ | science should be independant | Apr 01 22:33 |
| _Hicham_ | no controlled by fucking scientists or politicians | Apr 01 22:33 |
| _Hicham_ | science should be protected | Apr 01 22:33 |
| _Hicham_ | from the evil of ignorants | Apr 01 22:33 |
| _Hicham_ | there a lot of GPL violations, who defend it? | Apr 01 22:34 |
| _Hicham_ | who does sue the campanies? | Apr 01 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Cool photo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-polic... | Apr 01 22:35 |
| _Hicham_ | we need money to sue these companies Roy | Apr 01 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Enough suing | Apr 01 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Civil courtesy | Apr 01 22:36 |
| _Hicham_ | we can't protect free software with speech | Apr 01 22:36 |
| schestowitz | And not screwing with the integrity of society | Apr 01 22:36 |
| schestowitz | But for money, many people screw society | Apr 01 22:36 |
| _Hicham_ | we can't just do like Ghandi | Apr 01 22:36 |
| schestowitz | So some things ought to be restructured. Like the MAFIAA scrapped | Apr 01 22:36 |
| _Hicham_ | "If he slaps u on one cheek, give him the other cheek" | Apr 01 22:36 |
| schestowitz | It's not needed because of the Internet | Apr 01 22:36 |
| schestowitz | In the older days they sold plastics with 1s and 0s on them | Apr 01 22:37 |
| _Hicham_ | if he slaps u again, give him ur ass | Apr 01 22:37 |
| _Hicham_ | that is how it goes | Apr 01 22:37 |
| schestowitz | That's no longer needed | Apr 01 22:37 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | Apr 01 22:37 |
| _Hicham_ | why write the GPL then? | Apr 01 22:37 |
| schestowitz | I didn't suggest this | Apr 01 22:37 |
| _Hicham_ | better say as licence : " go get some money with this code, I am a jackass, have fun " | Apr 01 22:38 |
| _Hicham_ | that would be a better licence | Apr 01 22:38 |
| _Hicham_ | licens | Apr 01 22:38 |
| _Hicham_ | license | Apr 01 22:38 |
| schestowitz | "licence" is correct | Apr 01 22:40 |
| schestowitz | lincense is a verb (in in the US also a noun) | Apr 01 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Miguel de icaza argued with me about it | Apr 01 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Miguel "Ingrish guru" Icaza | Apr 01 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Protesters always early adopters of technology < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORL... > | Apr 01 22:42 |
| schestowitz | "University of Manchester political philosopher Martin O'Neill, who works on equality and social justice, told CNN that activists have a reputation for being early adopters of technology." | Apr 01 22:42 |
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| _Hicham_ | http://boycottschestowitz.com | Apr 01 22:47 |
| schestowitz | *GASP* :-O | Apr 01 22:47 |
| schestowitz | can't connect. Phew! | Apr 01 22:48 |
| _Hicham_ | why we don't have to sue GPL violations Roy? | Apr 01 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Do one for oiaohm | Apr 01 22:48 |
| _Hicham_ | do what? | Apr 01 22:48 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottoiaohm.com | Apr 01 22:49 |
| _Hicham_ | no, I like oiaohm | Apr 01 22:49 |
| _Hicham_ | I am gonna build a business with him | Apr 01 22:49 |
| _Hicham_ | based on patents | Apr 01 22:49 |
| _Hicham_ | :D | Apr 01 22:49 |
| _Hicham_ | we will take Linux kernel, patch it, and use it in closed source form | Apr 01 22:50 |
| _Hicham_ | there will be no one to sue us | Apr 01 22:51 |
| _Hicham_ | :D | Apr 01 22:51 |
| MinceR | http://boycottboycotters.com | Apr 01 22:51 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy is silent | Apr 01 22:51 |
| schestowitz | How to Distro Hop Without Killing Your Productivity < http://productivelinux.com/2009/03/31/how-t... > | Apr 01 22:51 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottboycottsboycotters.com | Apr 01 22:52 |
| schestowitz | left-hand expansion | Apr 01 22:52 |
| schestowitz | YACC! | Apr 01 22:52 |
| _Hicham_ | and bison | Apr 01 22:52 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: not silent, just readins eome stuff | Apr 01 22:52 |
| _Hicham_ | u didn't answer me about GPL violations | Apr 01 22:53 |
| schestowitz | gnu, not bison ;)) | Apr 01 22:53 |
| schestowitz | lex | Apr 01 22:53 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's no fun pressuring companies | Apr 01 22:53 |
| _Hicham_ | I made a small calculator with lex and yacc | Apr 01 22:53 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : why write GPL then? | Apr 01 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/... | Apr 01 22:53 |
| _Hicham_ | if there is no way to protect it? | Apr 01 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | heh, the new Ext4 patches to compensate for bad apps | Apr 01 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | like Firefox | Apr 01 22:54 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : Firefox doesn't have the fsync problem no more | Apr 01 22:54 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy doesn't answer | Apr 01 22:55 |
| _Hicham_ | schestwitz is not open source | Apr 01 22:55 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is a closed source man | Apr 01 22:55 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is patented | Apr 01 22:55 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: GPL=system of trust | Apr 01 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | when did they fix it? | Apr 01 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Compliance by force a last resort | Apr 01 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Companies usually settle and comply | Apr 01 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : why let people violate it then? | Apr 01 22:56 |
| *schestowitz worked with lax and yacc too. Did a compiler IIRC | Apr 01 22:56 | |
| schestowitz | *lex | Apr 01 22:56 |
| schestowitz | laxitive :-) | Apr 01 22:56 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I don't answer cause I collect daily links for you guys (BN) | Apr 01 22:57 |
| Balrog | flex I think | Apr 01 22:57 |
| _Hicham_ | laxative takes to the bathroom straight | Apr 01 22:58 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is with Globalization | Apr 01 22:59 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is helping America | Apr 01 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Apr 01 22:59 |
| schestowitz | And how so? | Apr 01 23:00 |
| _Hicham_ | :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D | Apr 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Globalisation is a euphemism. | Apr 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Like harmonisation for software patents | Apr 01 23:00 |
| _Hicham_ | didn't u go to London? | Apr 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Globalisation is for labour exploitation | Apr 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Like in Chian. | Apr 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | I might go to London next month | Apr 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Are you ready for Conficker? < http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2332 > | Apr 01 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | there will be no manifestations next month in London | Apr 01 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | the Londoners are protesting against Globalization | Apr 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | In a couple of weeks BN will do its 6000th post | Apr 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | They are better off protesting on-line | Apr 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | And producing evidence | Apr 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Working as a group not physically | Apr 01 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | no one will hear them online | Apr 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | Apr 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | People have SEs | Apr 01 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | nothing will replace physical work | Apr 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks | Apr 01 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | people do not read | Apr 01 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | if u say youtube, maybe | Apr 01 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | but the vast majority doesn't read | Apr 01 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | Internet didn't help public awareness | Apr 01 23:03 |
| schestowitz | "I'm always happy when I'm protesting." --Richard Stallman | Apr 01 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | "I am happy when I have a lot of money" --Hicham | Apr 01 23:04 |
| _Hicham_ | "I am happy when MS will disappear" --Roy Schestowitz | Apr 01 23:04 |
| _Hicham_ | "I am happy when data disappears" --oiaohm | Apr 01 23:04 |
| Balrog_ | "I am happy when Apple disappears" --MinceR | Apr 01 23:05 |
| Balrog_ | sorry :P | Apr 01 23:05 |
| MinceR | don't be sorry | Apr 01 23:05 |
| Balrog_ | "I am happy when big media disappears as it is currently" --Balrog | Apr 01 23:06 |
| MinceR | this world would be better without micro$oft and crApple | Apr 01 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | We should really learn from MS | Apr 01 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | and steals some ideas from it | Apr 01 23:06 |
| Balrog_ | no, it would be a much better place without Universal, EMI, etc being like they are today | Apr 01 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | as it is stealing ideas from Open Source | Apr 01 23:06 |
| MinceR | Balrog_: those too | Apr 01 23:06 |
| MinceR | and politicians, and lawyers | Apr 01 23:07 |
| Balrog_ | If those go, Apple would adapt. MS won't | Apr 01 23:07 |
| MinceR | and the MAFIAA | Apr 01 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | vive scientists | Apr 01 23:07 |
| Balrog_ | and the RIAA | Apr 01 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | live freedom | Apr 01 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | The RIAA has apparently stopped suing dead people, homeless people, and soccer moms that don't even have a computer | Apr 01 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | what's next? | Apr 01 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Apr 01 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft AstroTurfer "darryl" in BN again: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/08/... | Apr 01 23:08 |
| schestowitz | They come from LinuxToday where they are banned | Apr 01 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | I read somewhere that the future of the software is Web Services | Apr 01 23:10 |
| _Hicham_ | there will be almost no software | Apr 01 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Yikes | Apr 01 23:10 |
| silentivm | this would suck | Apr 01 23:10 |
| _Hicham_ | just Web Services | Apr 01 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Fight the clouds | Apr 01 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Shoot them :-) | Apr 01 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | well, in that cause the OS becomes irrelevant | Apr 01 23:10 |
| silentivm | imagine running a video editor or CAD program as a web service | Apr 01 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | so that could be a good thing | Apr 01 23:10 |
| silentivm | DaemonFC, but then the person/company which hosts the app would have total control | Apr 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | silentivm: that exists already | Apr 01 23:11 |
| _Hicham_ | the OS is always relevant | Apr 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Video editing anyway | Apr 01 23:11 |
| silentivm | sounds painful | Apr 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Photoshop too is gradually moving online | Apr 01 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, that's how Linux is being marketed | Apr 01 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Why do you need apps when we has Firefox and AJAX?" | Apr 01 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants deseprately to control 'clouds' | Apr 01 23:11 |
| MinceR | who markets linux that way? | Apr 01 23:11 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no video of Schestowitz | Apr 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | It attacks Google because ot it | Apr 01 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu | Apr 01 23:12 |
| *silentivm has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Apr 01 23:12 | |
| schestowitz | Even the office suites move online | Apr 01 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | and they're the only ones that are really growing | Apr 01 23:12 |
| MinceR | also, what do you think runs the cloud? :> | Apr 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Inevitably, for reasons of cost | Apr 01 23:12 |
| Balrog_ | Video editing is staying off the cloud | Apr 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Not procticality | Apr 01 23:12 |
| Balrog_ | at least, real professional video editing | Apr 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | People like mobility and payment in installments | Apr 01 23:12 |
| MinceR | 002059 < DaemonFC> Ubuntu | Apr 01 23:12 |
| MinceR | url or it didn't happen | Apr 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | They want pay for shrink-wrapped Office in advance | Apr 01 23:12 |
| _Hicham_ | clouds are cheaper | Apr 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | not necesarily | Apr 01 23:12 |
| *silentivm (n=renan@189.58.199.87) has joined #boycottnovell | Apr 01 23:12 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.canonical.com/projects... | Apr 01 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | there you go | Apr 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | The statement assumes prices are fixed | Apr 01 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | give me something hard | Apr 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | And low | Apr 01 23:13 |
| _Hicham_ | the development costs will be split | Apr 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | When you can't afford desktop/native s/w, then you don't upgrade | Apr 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | If the price is elevated for a service, you're stuck | Apr 01 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Linux vendors have really given up trying to market Linux as something with native apps | Apr 01 23:13 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: that page doesn't say that | Apr 01 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | so they market it as a cloud OS | Apr 01 23:14 |
| schestowitz | You must 'upgrade' (renew subs) | Apr 01 23:14 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and if they think only the cloud matters, why is openoffice included? | Apr 01 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | instead of writing huge code | Apr 01 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Hostage of the company (God in cloud) | Apr 01 23:14 |
| MinceR | or evolution? | Apr 01 23:14 |
| MinceR | or pidgin? | Apr 01 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Why not? | Apr 01 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | It's free | Apr 01 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck evolution | Apr 01 23:14 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: oh, i see, you're still full of it | Apr 01 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | evolution is a Novell product | Apr 01 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Yuck | Apr 01 23:14 |
| MinceR | business as usual | Apr 01 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Evolution=Novell | Apr 01 23:14 |
| schestowitz | +mono, gradually | Apr 01 23:14 |
| MinceR | at least search folders work (more or less) in evolution | Apr 01 23:14 |
| silentivm | well, I like evolution | Apr 01 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: No, I believe they will drop OOo soon | Apr 01 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | do u use evolution schestowitz? | Apr 01 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | and just use Prism | Apr 01 23:15 |
| MinceR | that is, if i get new mail, it actually is filtered properly | Apr 01 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Evolution is creationism | Apr 01 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | to link you to Google Apps | Apr 01 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Like MSFT | Apr 01 23:15 |
| silentivm | that is, I need something which integrates tasks/mail/to-do | Apr 01 23:15 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you believe a lot of crazy things. :> | Apr 01 23:15 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I used Thunderbird | Apr 01 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's where this is heading | Apr 01 23:15 |
| silentivm | Thunderbird? Firefox is enough of a headache for me | Apr 01 23:15 |
| MinceR | thunderbird just bumps all the counters on the search folders by one if new mail arrives | Apr 01 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | They're basically just thriving on the exploitation of the "Web 2.0" misnomer | Apr 01 23:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: makes sense | Apr 01 23:16 |
| MinceR | kmail only refreshes them if i select the folder new mail arrived in | Apr 01 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | gOS takes it further | Apr 01 23:16 |
| MinceR | it's horribly annoying either way | Apr 01 23:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Thunderbird is the greatest mail client ever created | Apr 01 23:16 |
| schestowitz | People are naive, moist of them... when it comes to IT | Apr 01 23:16 |
| schestowitz | They go with price | Apr 01 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Not logic | Apr 01 23:16 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: guess again | Apr 01 23:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox is the greatest browser ever | Apr 01 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Look how many but DRMpod | Apr 01 23:16 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: guess again | Apr 01 23:16 |
| schestowitz | *buy | Apr 01 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | That's why Ubuntu is doing Netbook Remix | Apr 01 23:16 |
| silentivm | Firefox eats tons of RAM here | Apr 01 23:16 |
| silentivm | TONS | Apr 01 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | MS Vista is too fat to fit on a netbook | Apr 01 23:16 |
| silentivm | right now I caught it eating 500+ MB | Apr 01 23:16 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is the greatest boycotter ever | Apr 01 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | so they have to dig out XP, which is 10 years old | Apr 01 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | and compete with something like that | Apr 01 23:16 |
| MinceR | (by thunderbird bumping the counter i mean that it shows new mail in the search folders even if the filter doesn't actually put that item in the search folder) | Apr 01 23:17 |
| MinceR | and if you look into the search folder, it realizes what's up | Apr 01 23:17 |
| MinceR | claws doesn't even support search folders at all | Apr 01 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | XP is almost a decade old, never meant for a netbook at all | Apr 01 23:17 |
| MinceR | someone please write an email client that doesn't suck | Apr 01 23:17 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : what version of thunderbird is this? | Apr 01 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | of course Ubuntu can compete | Apr 01 23:17 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: dunno, it's on my work machine that i can't reach now | Apr 01 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | I just use Evolution, it is part of GNOME | Apr 01 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | I hate Mozilla products | Apr 01 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | I try to avoid them where I can | Apr 01 23:18 |
| silentivm | I use Evolution because I haven't found any other app to integrate e-mail+tasks+to-do | Apr 01 23:18 |
| MinceR | i use kmail for personal purposes and evolution on the work machine | Apr 01 23:18 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : then do not use Gecko at all | Apr 01 23:18 |
| MinceR | but i find both inadequate | Apr 01 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | Epiphany-Webkit builds :) | Apr 01 23:19 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : remove xulrunner then | Apr 01 23:19 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : and see | Apr 01 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | all that would do it take out the GNOME help system | Apr 01 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | GTKHTML is deprecated anyway and will be removed soon | Apr 01 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | they're rebuilding their dependencies on Webkit | Apr 01 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | is there a browser for Linux other than Firefox? | Apr 01 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Konqueror, Opera, Chromium (although wickedly Alpha!!!) | Apr 01 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Epiphany | Apr 01 23:20 |
| silentivm | Midori, Opera, Arora | Apr 01 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Kazakhese | Apr 01 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Midori | Apr 01 23:21 |
| silentivm | Epiphany, Galeon (is that still alive?) | Apr 01 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Epiphany is the official GNOME browser | Apr 01 23:21 |
| _Hicham_ | can these browsers compete with Firefox? | Apr 01 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Epiphany is superior to Firefox | Apr 01 23:21 |
| silentivm | _Hicham_, if you don't need tons of extensions, yes | Apr 01 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | especially in resource use | Apr 01 23:21 |
| silentivm | too bad that I can't live without NoScript and StumbleUpon | Apr 01 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | noscript? | Apr 01 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | oh god | Apr 01 23:21 |
| silentivm | yes | Apr 01 23:21 |
| _Hicham_ | I used Konqueror, Opera, Epiphany (Gecko and Webkit), Midori and Kazehakaze | Apr 01 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Linspire's old CEO is being a loser again: http://kevincarmony.blogspot.com/2009/0... | Apr 01 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | Kevin Carmony is an asshole | Apr 01 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | he got fired, it happens to people | Apr 01 23:22 |
| MinceR | 002958 < DaemonFC> Kazakhese | Apr 01 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | he had a dickhead boss | Apr 01 23:22 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : are u sure Epiphany is best? | Apr 01 23:22 |
| MinceR | that's Kazehakase | Apr 01 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | it happens to people | Apr 01 23:22 |
| MinceR | and there's also Links and Dillo | Apr 01 23:22 |
| _Hicham_ | there is NetSurf | Apr 01 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Dillo is not actively maintained | Apr 01 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | and doesn't even support tables or CSS | Apr 01 23:23 |
| _Hicham_ | the lowest on resources | Apr 01 23:23 |
| _Hicham_ | did u use NetSurf? | Apr 01 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Apr 01 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Lynx B-) | Apr 01 23:23 |
| MinceR | 002926 < _Hicham_> is there a browser for Linux other than Firefox? | Apr 01 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Lynx if you want low resources | Apr 01 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 01 23:23 |
| MinceR | i don't see anything about tables or CSS here | Apr 01 23:23 |
| MinceR | do you? | Apr 01 23:23 |
| _Hicham_ | http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ | Apr 01 23:24 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the lightest browser ever | Apr 01 23:24 |
| _Hicham_ | if u don't want to waste resources | Apr 01 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is hiring Linux devs: http://joostruis.blogspot.com/2009/0... http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutu... http://blog.commandlinekungfu.com/200... ;-) | Apr 01 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | i don't know why this room get completely silent from time to time | Apr 01 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | Why would I need to use some balkanized web browser when I have 4 gigs of RAM and a Core 2 CPU? | Apr 01 23:27 |
| silentivm | because I get annoyed with a single app eating 800+ MB RAM? | Apr 01 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | Epiphany is a good deal | Apr 01 23:27 |
| silentivm | as I got Firefox to eat? | Apr 01 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | Epiphany has a long way to go | Apr 01 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | 115 megs and it's been open all day | Apr 01 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | with 17 tabs currently open | Apr 01 23:28 |
| _Hicham_ | its lack of extensions support is horrible | Apr 01 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | that's pretty decent | Apr 01 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | Epiphany supports extensions | Apr 01 23:28 |
| silentivm | yep | Apr 01 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | jsut not the bloated crap Firefox does | Apr 01 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | that's a great way to cause memory leaks | Apr 01 23:28 |
| schestowitz | yay. http://gnuru.org/article/145... (Microsoft Open Sources Windows) | Apr 01 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox extensions | Apr 01 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | they're usually poorly writtent | Apr 01 23:28 |
| silentivm | DaemonFC, yep | Apr 01 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | *written | Apr 01 23:28 |
| silentivm | if I disable extensions my FF gets less worse | Apr 01 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : depends on extensions quality | Apr 01 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu Format magazine: on sale now < http://tuxradar.com/content/u... > | Apr 01 23:29 |
| schestowitz | IBM Buys Linus Torvalds < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/en... > | Apr 01 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | there is an extension for epiphany that s | Apr 01 23:31 |
| _Hicham_ | doesnt work at all | Apr 01 23:31 |
| _Hicham_ | it segfaults epiphany | Apr 01 23:31 |
| _Hicham_ | what would u say DaemonFC? | Apr 01 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Very bad joke: Microsoft signs Linux compatibility deal < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open... > | Apr 01 23:32 |
| schestowitz | LOL http://www.archlinux.org/news/440/ (Arch Dropping i686 support) | Apr 01 23:32 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 01 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_: Firefox extensions are suckass XUL | Apr 01 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | screw them | Apr 01 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | Epiphany's are C | Apr 01 23:33 |
| schestowitz | ESR is still attacking the GPL in his own way... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=904 | Apr 01 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Joke also: Finally Windows users can get Compiz easily!! < http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2009/04/01/... > | Apr 01 23:35 |
| schestowitz | BERYL 0.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.1!!!!!!!! < http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2.... > | Apr 01 23:36 |
| schestowitz | OOh boy.. | Apr 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | They deface Shuttleworth: Ubuntu to rewrite Linux kernel using Mono < http://tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-re... > | Apr 01 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : Epiphany extensions are C and Python | Apr 01 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | meh, either is better than XUL | Apr 01 23:38 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: that sure is a joke | Apr 01 23:38 |
| _Hicham_ | C Extensions tend to crash more | Apr 01 23:38 |
| Balrog_ | mono runs way above the kernel, not the other way around :) | Apr 01 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Here's Novell's joke: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009... | Apr 01 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | uhhm, no | Apr 01 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | it depends on how competent the programmer is | Apr 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | *OpenSUSE rather (same thing alomost) | Apr 01 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's impossible to write a good extension in XUL | Apr 01 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's impossible to write a good _anything_ in XUL | Apr 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: mono runs Away --abo-v---FROM the kernel | Apr 01 23:39 |
| schestowitz | It'll be shunned from BLAG | Apr 01 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, this is why Epiphany's official extensions have all been signed off on by the GNOME people | Apr 01 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | but it supports any valid extension you want to add | Apr 01 23:40 |
| Balrog_ | mono is comparable to java (though vastly inferior) | Apr 01 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | JAVA is slower | Apr 01 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | that's the biggest difference | Apr 01 23:40 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: no it isn't. | Apr 01 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | much slower | Apr 01 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | and takes more resourcesa | Apr 01 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | *resources | Apr 01 23:41 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Episode 0x0A: A Guide to GPL Compliance < http://www.softwarefreedom.org/podca... > | Apr 01 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | Mono isn't bad aside from the whole "too close to MS" thing | Apr 01 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | JAVA is just bad because of how low quality JAVA is | Apr 01 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | regardless of license | Apr 01 23:41 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: yes it is. | Apr 01 23:41 |
| Balrog_ | it's Java messed up | Apr 01 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | Sun makes bad stuff | Apr 01 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | period | Apr 01 23:42 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: like MySQL? | Apr 01 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | you can license a turd GPL 3 | Apr 01 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's still a turd | Apr 01 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | it will still never be anything more or less | Apr 01 23:42 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: are you using java? | Apr 01 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 01 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | I won't even install it | Apr 01 23:42 |
| Balrog_ | but you will install mono. | Apr 01 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | nothing I need that badly uses it, so why have it? | Apr 01 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | that's removable too | Apr 01 23:43 |
| Balrog_ | << but you will install it | Apr 01 23:43 |
| Balrog_ | I didn't ask if it's removable | Apr 01 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | there's two kinds of distros | Apr 01 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is the "What the fuck, throw it in" type | Apr 01 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | and Gnewsense is the Freetard "OMG cut out GLX!!!" type | Apr 01 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Java is very high quality | Apr 01 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Better than .NET and Mono, by far | Apr 01 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | Novell is the "Let's rim Microsoft" distro | Apr 01 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Almost the most ubiquitous | Apr 01 23:44 |
| schestowitz | You just talk trash, DaemonFC | Apr 01 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | It's still a race to be the worlds tallest midget | Apr 01 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | Java jsut sucks | Apr 01 23:44 |
| Balrog_ | Everyone knows that big web sites use Java for the backend code | Apr 01 23:44 |
| Balrog_ | not Mono | Apr 01 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | who cares? | Apr 01 23:45 |
| Balrog_ | remember the stock market thing with .NET? | Apr 01 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | if they want to infect their system with JAVA | Apr 01 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | good for them | Apr 01 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's their system | Apr 01 23:45 |
| Balrog_ | java is very self contained | Apr 01 23:45 |
| Balrog_ | just a bunch of libraries, a runtime, and a compiler | Apr 01 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't mean I want it | Apr 01 23:45 |
| Balrog_ | well, you never coded in Java | Apr 01 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | all Java will give me is tons of security vulnerabilities | Apr 01 23:46 |
| Balrog_ | so you're not qualified to say that. I code in java :) | Apr 01 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | and occasionally some web crapplet will trip it | Apr 01 23:46 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: proof??? | Apr 01 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | and make me spend 20 minutes | Apr 01 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | while it loads "Welcome to our site" | Apr 01 23:46 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: disable java in web. Easy enough... | Apr 01 23:46 |
| Balrog_ | you use java like this: 'java app.class' or 'java -jar app.jar' | Apr 01 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there's no decent standalone apps that use JAVA | Apr 01 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | there's always a superior C alternative | Apr 01 23:47 |
| Balrog_ | on my gentoo system, a java GUI app I've used runs much faster than any non-java app | Apr 01 23:47 |
| Balrog_ | such asthis: http://www.lorbac.net/ ... only useful to certain people, but that includes me | Apr 01 23:47 |
| Balrog_ | as this * | Apr 01 23:47 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.lorbac.net/index.php?option=c... | Apr 01 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer apologises for Windows < http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux... > "At the end of the hearing a still tearful Ballmer was lead from the courtroom clutching a stuffed penguin." That would still be animal abuse | Apr 01 23:48 |
| Balrog_ | I was surprised at how fast it runs | Apr 01 23:48 |
| Balrog_ | (when C-based apps are *slow*) | Apr 01 23:48 |
| Balrog_ | but this is gentoo | Apr 01 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing Java can do faster than C | Apr 01 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | Java is orders of magnitude slower than C | Apr 01 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | so lesser programmers can avoid using things they don't understand | Apr 01 23:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: if you ridicule Ubuntu, then why are you in their channels? | Apr 01 23:50 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: for repetitive code java runs faster | Apr 01 23:50 |
| Balrog_ | also Java is cross platform | Apr 01 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Flamebait/war: Why silence is better than 10 reasons< http://randomguy3.wordpress.com/2009/03... > | Apr 01 23:50 |
| Balrog_ | C /can be/ cross platform | Apr 01 23:50 |
| schestowitz | C *is* | Apr 01 23:50 |
| Balrog_ | but if you code bad, it won't | Apr 01 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's EEEd by MS | Apr 01 23:51 |
| Balrog_ | if you code specifically for Visual C++, it won't be | Apr 01 23:51 |
| Balrog_ | but with C hardware can be accessed directly. | Apr 01 23:51 |
| Balrog_ | and it's not object-oriented | Apr 01 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | The entire point behind C was portability | Apr 01 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | but C gives you enough rope to hyang yourself with | Apr 01 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | JAVA jsut hangs any machine you run it on instead | Apr 01 23:53 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: I find what you're saying very false. | Apr 01 23:54 |
| *Balrog_ programs java | Apr 01 23:54 | |
| Balrog_ | in java * | Apr 01 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Fedora 11 has got a nice wallpaper: http://news.softpedia.com/newsIm... | Apr 01 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm, in JAVA, performance is an afterthought | Apr 01 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's all for convenience of the programmer | Apr 01 23:55 |
| schestowitz | The theme is darn ugly. Qt looks a lot better | Apr 01 23:55 |
| Balrog_ | not true. | Apr 01 23:55 |
| Balrog_ | (no one else who does java is here right now :/ ) | Apr 01 23:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, that would be MATLAB | Apr 01 23:55 |
| Balrog_ | yes, schestowitz is right. | Apr 01 23:56 |
| Balrog_ | At my school, all the researchers use matlab | Apr 01 23:56 |
| Balrog_ | though I'm doing java, and it's great | Apr 01 23:56 |
| schestowitz | You can also take you work with you | Apr 01 23:58 |
| schestowitz | The framework is Free | Apr 01 23:59 |
