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mib_ieydxtI am russia boy;))))Apr 08 20:56
wispygalaxyBT is awesome when it comes to linux distrosApr 08 20:56
wispygalaxynice to meet you, russian boyApr 08 20:57
schestowitzNeonFloss: as long as it's not RIAA-infectedApr 08 20:57
NeonFlossFMA you mean?>Apr 08 20:57
schestowitzAnd keep track names in tact so that artists who embrace CC get attributed and recognisedApr 08 20:57
NeonFlossyesApr 08 20:58
mib_ieydxthaerle ton malailar(tatar language)Apr 08 20:58
wispygalaxyi have so many CDs; it's going to be a pain to upload them to my computerApr 08 20:59
Balrogmib_ieydxt: stick to english pleaseApr 08 20:59
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wispygalaxyspiralfrog is goneApr 08 21:00
BalrogI see.Apr 08 21:00
schestowitzMAFIAA killed itApr 08 21:00
wispygalaxyi knew it wouldn't last, it was restrictiveApr 08 21:00
schestowitzSo the sites claim anywayApr 08 21:00
wispygalaxyhmmApr 08 21:00
schestowitzMAFIAA also kills some Internet radio businessesApr 08 21:00
schestowitzMAFIAA too is dyingApr 08 21:00
wispygalaxywe won't miss it!Apr 08 21:00
schestowitzIt's trying to take down competition /with/ itApr 08 21:01
schestowitzThey sacked lots of peopleApr 08 21:01
schestowitz20% IIRCApr 08 21:01
schestowitzA month or so agoApr 08 21:01
schestowitzBoth RIAA and MPAAApr 08 21:01
wispygalaxylike MS with the layoffs?Apr 08 21:01
schestowitzMS also exed many units/services/productsApr 08 21:01
schestowitzQuietlyApr 08 21:01
wispygalaxysilent death :(Apr 08 21:01
schestowitzAnd contract workersApr 08 21:01
wispygalaxyhow horribleApr 08 21:01
schestowitzSo more than 5k layoffsApr 08 21:01
Balrogyes, including many good products :/Apr 08 21:01
schestowitzWhich good ones?Apr 08 21:01
schestowitzFlight Sim?Apr 08 21:02
wispygalaxymy dad is a contractor for a power stationApr 08 21:02
schestowitzWindows drekApr 08 21:02
schestowitzThe cross-platform one will fill its placeApr 08 21:02
wispygalaxyms bob!Apr 08 21:02
schestowitzHeh.Apr 08 21:02
schestowitzBob got sackedApr 08 21:02
schestowitzHe was too fatApr 08 21:02
schestowitzRAMApr 08 21:02
Balrogwell, it wasn't always Windows-only...Apr 08 21:02
schestowitzAnd CPU-intensiveApr 08 21:02
wispygalaxybobby, get some exercise :PApr 08 21:02
Balrogtheir whole simulation divisionApr 08 21:02
schestowitzHe lived on as talking dog in WinXPApr 08 21:02
BalrogBungie got pushed offApr 08 21:02
wispygalaxyarfApr 08 21:02
NeonFlossschestowitz: if you ever come across anytrhing I should post in the blog then tell me :PApr 08 21:03
Balrogthe group behind Age of EmpiresApr 08 21:03
BalrogetcApr 08 21:03
schestowitzNeonFloss: sure!Apr 08 21:03
schestowitzNeonFloss: in BN's daily links I put lots about copyrightsApr 08 21:03
NeonFlossyeaApr 08 21:03
Balrog(Bungie used to be a Mac developer, back in the day)Apr 08 21:03
NeonFlossive noticedApr 08 21:03
schestowitzThere's less MSFT news, so I follow the death of MAFIAA too :-)Apr 08 21:03
wispygalaxyit's said that projects *only* die under FOSS, but a lot die under proprietary means, tooApr 08 21:03
wispygalaxylike MS bobApr 08 21:03
Balrogmore die under proprietary meansApr 08 21:03
Balrogat least more I've seenApr 08 21:03
schestowitzAnd siscontinued tooApr 08 21:04
Balrogsomething that's FOSS can always be revived with some workApr 08 21:04
schestowitzNo community to take overApr 08 21:04
NeonFlossschestowitz: if you by any miracle have time wed welcome a blog from you (though I doubt it because of all the hard work you put into your site and anti-drm etc)Apr 08 21:04
Balroglook at 'abandonware' games and softwareApr 08 21:04
wispygalaxyFOSS SW will always be out there, no company can kill itApr 08 21:04
schestowitzWatch how Chandler was adopted by its community when funding from Kapor stoppedApr 08 21:04
Balrogit may disappear, but it will always be somewhere ... I sometimes find stuff on archive.orgApr 08 21:04
schestowitzNeonFloss: maybe in the second half of the yearApr 08 21:05
wispygalaxyarchive.org FTWApr 08 21:05
schestowitzSummer gets quieterApr 08 21:05
wispygalaxyand hotterApr 08 21:05
schestowitzAlso good for Comes exhibitsApr 08 21:05
NeonFloss:)Apr 08 21:05
schestowitzSummer ain't so hot here.Apr 08 21:05
wispygalaxyit is here; humidityApr 08 21:05
wispygalaxyNJ is so muggy :(Apr 08 21:05
Balroghere it goes into the 90's ... sometimes 100Apr 08 21:05
schestowitzBut I get sunlight at home, which is good for moodApr 08 21:05
BalrogI'm in PA ... not too far away :)Apr 08 21:05
wispygalaxyi went to AZ in the summer- it was 100 F but felt like 80 F in NJApr 08 21:05
BalroglolApr 08 21:06
wispygalaxyPA is cool- a lot of my pals live thereApr 08 21:06
Balrog:)Apr 08 21:06
wispygalaxyin phillyApr 08 21:06
wispygalaxyor other citiesApr 08 21:06
Balrogyes lolApr 08 21:06
wispygalaxyroy, i love sunny weatherApr 08 21:06
wispygalaxycloudy days suckApr 08 21:06
wispygalaxyi never want to live in cold areasApr 08 21:07
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taconehttp://blog.canonical.com/?p=151Apr 08 21:07
wispygalaxyMS is trying to push linux around on netbooksApr 08 21:08
wispygalaxyughApr 08 21:08
Balrogof course. that's MSApr 08 21:08
NeonFlossschestowitz: im not working on anything right now, got any ideas for me?Apr 08 21:08
Balrogwispygalaxy: got my PM?Apr 08 21:11
wispygalaxyoh i didnt see it, sry balrog!Apr 08 21:11
wispygalaxy*reading*Apr 08 21:11
werehedgehogi'm tired of freenode channels that have opsApr 08 21:14
schestowitzNeonFloss: none in particular. We always appreciate translation of PDF exhibits into textApr 08 21:14
werehedgehogdoes this channel have an op?Apr 08 21:15
NeonFloss:)Apr 08 21:15
werehedgehog?Apr 08 21:15
schestowitzNot of much functionApr 08 21:15
Balrogwerehedgehog: look in the userlist!Apr 08 21:15
schestowitzThe ops do nothing different here.Apr 08 21:15
werehedgehog@ before nick means op?Apr 08 21:15
werehedgehogit's mircApr 08 21:16
werehedgehogpirated oneApr 08 21:16
werehedgehogjust to use proxyApr 08 21:16
Balrogwerehedgehog: why not X-Chat 2.0 or irssi?Apr 08 21:16
werehedgehogxchat is shareware in windowsApr 08 21:17
BalrogXCHAT 2.0Apr 08 21:17
werehedgehogirssi, i didn't hear of dat for windowsApr 08 21:17
Balroghttp://www.silverex.org/Apr 08 21:17
Balrogfree/open sourceApr 08 21:17
Balrogit's an unofficial buildApr 08 21:17
Balrogofficial build is sharewareApr 08 21:17
werehedgehogso, local ops have something against torrents, cracking and talking that windows sucks hard?Apr 08 21:18
*werehedgehog is now known as __booApr 08 21:18
Balroglet me explain: cracking and "illegal" torrents aren't talked about much.Apr 08 21:18
Balrogwindows does suck.Apr 08 21:18
Balrogbut if there's foss, use fossApr 08 21:18
wispygalaxyFOSS is awesomeApr 08 21:19
wispygalaxyit gives you freedom!Apr 08 21:19
__boowhat does it mean: "aren't talked about much?"Apr 08 21:19
__boois it against the rules?Apr 08 21:19
Balrogsort of. Giving links to 'illegal' software isn't toleratedApr 08 21:19
taconeit gives you mono !Apr 08 21:19
tacone(ops)Apr 08 21:19
__booi hate windows but i use it at home and for gaming mostlyApr 08 21:19
wispygalaxywhen i discovered FOSS, i realized how trapped i was in the windows worldApr 08 21:19
wispygalaxyah gaming, a lot of people worry about that on linuxApr 08 21:20
__booBalrog, what do you mean by illegal?Apr 08 21:20
Balrog__boo: gaming is the worst problem. Cedega can play a lotApr 08 21:20
Balroglinks to torrents of cracked proprietary softwareApr 08 21:20
__booi don't care what cedega can, it's paywareApr 08 21:20
Balrogor even uncracked software that's normally soldApr 08 21:20
Balrogthen use wine.Apr 08 21:20
__boolet me explain how i look at windowsApr 08 21:21
__booit's stealing from people all over the worldApr 08 21:21
schestowitztacone: good news about monoApr 08 21:21
__booand people can use it freely however they wantApr 08 21:21
schestowitzBad for mono that isApr 08 21:21
__booto make anything they wantApr 08 21:21
schestowitzDetails coming soon.Apr 08 21:21
tacone?Apr 08 21:21
tacone!Apr 08 21:21
Balrogbut using 'pirated' software won't help. We need to get people off windows and onto FOSSApr 08 21:21
Balrogwindows isn't FOSSApr 08 21:21
taconewhich news ?Apr 08 21:21
taconelolApr 08 21:21
__booBalrog it does't matterApr 08 21:22
__booi'm on foss at work at leastApr 08 21:22
schestowitztacone: too busy ATMApr 08 21:22
taconekApr 08 21:22
schestowitzLet me post Bn links firstApr 08 21:22
taconeok ok.Apr 08 21:22
wispygalaxythings change, and certain software will not be king foreverApr 08 21:22
wispygalaxylinux is making progress, and there is nothing that can kill itApr 08 21:22
wispygalaxyonce you go foss you don't go backApr 08 21:23
__boodude, i'm going foss a bit but i used msdos/mswindows too muchApr 08 21:23
schestowitztacone: short story: your news drove some of them nutsApr 08 21:23
__booand developed for itApr 08 21:23
schestowitzYou can run the same programs in GNU/Linux, using wineApr 08 21:24
__boonoApr 08 21:24
__booyou can't play recent games thereApr 08 21:24
wispygalaxywell, maybe people with windows skills need to realize that there are other important skills tooApr 08 21:24
schestowitzIt's a layer that runs all your win32-compiled appsApr 08 21:24
__booalmost all of them have big flawsApr 08 21:24
MinceRnot all of themApr 08 21:24
wispygalaxyin the tech world, one cannot stick with one set of skills foreverApr 08 21:24
__boosureApr 08 21:24
schestowitz__boo: http://wubi-installer.org/Apr 08 21:24
__boo'cause there're no standartizationApr 08 21:24
MinceRsome apps work with wine, some don'tApr 08 21:25
schestowitzPut it on a second partitionApr 08 21:25
__booschestowitz, it's win64 hereApr 08 21:25
schestowitzVery simpleApr 08 21:25
wispygalaxystandardization did help with the internet in the '90sApr 08 21:25
schestowitz__boo: that's fineApr 08 21:25
wispygalaxyit was difficult back then to connect computersApr 08 21:25
__booah, wubi is a windows installer of windowsApr 08 21:25
__booi already have linuxApr 08 21:25
__boolol, linux installer of windows*Apr 08 21:25
wispygalaxywhat distro, _boo?Apr 08 21:25
__booi told ya alreadyApr 08 21:26
wispygalaxyoh i didnt see itApr 08 21:26
__boois it safe to talk here if you avoid bans and other stuff?Apr 08 21:26
__boomostly due to ##windows and #defocusApr 08 21:26
wispygalaxyi guess you can chat here if you wantApr 08 21:26
__boo#defocus is the same ##windowsApr 08 21:26
wispygalaxyoh i seeApr 08 21:27
__booi'm iwmw, werehedgehogApr 08 21:27
__booboo, plenty of other nicksApr 08 21:27
__booit's mandriva 2009.1 rc1Apr 08 21:27
wispygalaxyim wispygalaxy or wispyApr 08 21:27
wispygalaxymandriva is a fine distroApr 08 21:27
Balrog__boo: wubi installs linux inside windows. It creates an image file and a bootsect.bin-style file that is added to the bootloader configuration file. So you can run Linux without repartitioningApr 08 21:27
BalrogI'm just BalrogApr 08 21:28
MinceRapparently anyone can talk here, even creatures like DaemonFC ;)Apr 08 21:28
MinceRso don't feel too bad about thatApr 08 21:28
Balroghrm yeah. Though they sometimes get kicked.Apr 08 21:28
wispygalaxyi know one person from Digg who uses mandriva with elderly people, and they have little trouble with itApr 08 21:28
Balrogbe careful with links though. This isn't a warez channelApr 08 21:28
__booBalrog, i know that, i was searching for linux inside windows and wubi wasn't the caseApr 08 21:28
__booit doesn't support win x64Apr 08 21:28
*MinceR installs the latest Mandriva With Elderly Peopleâ„¢Apr 08 21:28
MinceR;)Apr 08 21:28
__booohApr 08 21:28
wispygalaxyheheApr 08 21:28
__boothat was andlinuxApr 08 21:29
Balrog__boo: XP x64 or vista?Apr 08 21:29
__booxp x64Apr 08 21:29
__booi would never install vistaApr 08 21:29
__booneither win7Apr 08 21:29
__boothey developed drm way too muchApr 08 21:29
__booin xp it's inexistantApr 08 21:29
__booalmostApr 08 21:29
wispygalaxymore freedom, less drmApr 08 21:30
Balrog__boo: using xp x64 isn't very good. Driver support is horribleApr 08 21:30
wispygalaxymy family's desktop with XP was fried thanks to XPApr 08 21:30
Balrogand Wubi works fine on Windows x64Apr 08 21:30
Balrogaccording to reportsApr 08 21:30
wispygalaxymy high school files are still on that desktop hahaApr 08 21:31
wispygalaxymy dad never got around to recovering the filesApr 08 21:31
__booBalrog, i've got every driver i needApr 08 21:31
Balrogboot with knoppix and copy to a flash driveApr 08 21:31
Balrog__boo: also application support is terribleApr 08 21:31
__booyeahApr 08 21:31
__booconsidering gamesApr 08 21:31
__booplenty of good games are for winx32 onlyApr 08 21:32
Balrogyes.Apr 08 21:32
Balrogthough they work fine in Vista x64Apr 08 21:32
__boonoApr 08 21:32
Balrogyes, they do. I've run itApr 08 21:32
Balrog(in the past)Apr 08 21:32
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__booantistarforce of course released yet another versionApr 08 21:32
__boothat cracks vista x64 as wellApr 08 21:33
mib_kjn0qzYOU ALL SUCK MICROBALLSApr 08 21:33
Balrogstarforce is annoyingApr 08 21:33
Balrogschestowitz: do something about mib_kjn0qzApr 08 21:33
MinceRmib_kjn0qz: die in a fireApr 08 21:33
__boomib_kjn0qz, you're right, that's why you better go to lick ##windows ops ballsApr 08 21:33
wispygalaxytrollApr 08 21:33
Balrogyes, trollApr 08 21:33
__boohe doesn't need to, Balrog?Apr 08 21:34
wispygalaxywhy do mean people think it's funny to bother people in a channel??Apr 08 21:34
__boothat mibbit troll has no sense ova hereApr 08 21:34
Balrog__boo: is there starforce 'removal' stuff?Apr 08 21:34
MinceRperhaps he believes his identity to be hiddenApr 08 21:34
__booyou can delete it yourselfApr 08 21:34
__boomibbit provides ip of userApr 08 21:34
taconeschestowitz: lol, my newsApr 08 21:35
Balrogso it's much like CSS stripping?Apr 08 21:35
MinceRindeedApr 08 21:35
taconeok, i look forward to read it :)Apr 08 21:35
schestowitzBalrog: strike one :-)Apr 08 21:35
__booBalrog, you mean removal of antistarforce driver or removal of starforce?Apr 08 21:35
wispygalaxywb, roy ;)Apr 08 21:35
Balrogif I own a CD or DVD, I want to be able to use it as I see fit :)Apr 08 21:35
schestowitzwispygalaxy: I'm doing links.Apr 08 21:36
Balrog(for myself)Apr 08 21:36
schestowitzStill readingApr 08 21:36
wispygalaxyok, busy boy :)Apr 08 21:36
schestowitzNot reallyApr 08 21:36
Balrogschestowitz: if it doesn't work on my x64 computer because of DRM, the DRM has to go.Apr 08 21:36
schestowitzJust ensuring I don't lose trackApr 08 21:36
wispygalaxygood to stay on scheduleApr 08 21:36
__booBalrog, starforce driver is replaced with antistarforce driver and that's allApr 08 21:36
BalrogI see.Apr 08 21:36
schestowitzNo schedule.. it's a hobbyApr 08 21:36
__boobut it exists only for x32 and vista x64Apr 08 21:36
wispygalaxyah i see royApr 08 21:36
Balrogmakes sense.Apr 08 21:37
__boono winxp x64Apr 08 21:37
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wispygalaxyi need schedules or else i lose track of timeApr 08 21:37
Balrogremember the Sony BMG mess?Apr 08 21:37
wispygalaxyi kinda doApr 08 21:38
__boosony autoinstall from cd?Apr 08 21:38
Balroghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext...Apr 08 21:38
Balrogvery very evilApr 08 21:38
wispygalaxyoh yeah, the rootkit debacleApr 08 21:38
wispygalaxyi don't even listen to mainstream labelsApr 08 21:38
wispygalaxythey can't get meApr 08 21:38
__booooow... i can't read about drm anymoreApr 08 21:38
Balrogheh, I get CDs used :)Apr 08 21:39
__booit makes me pukeApr 08 21:39
wispygalaxyme tooApr 08 21:39
wispygalaxyfrom fyeApr 08 21:39
wispygalaxy$.99 to $7.99 is usually the price range thereApr 08 21:39
Balrogfunny thing is that those CD's with rootkits didn't have any protection for Mac or especially LinuxApr 08 21:40
wispygalaxyi find some rare stuff there that i never thought would end up in the US (rare international stuff)Apr 08 21:40
__booi just can't afford myself physically to install vista or win7Apr 08 21:40
Balrogso a Mac or Linux user could 'pirate' them easily.Apr 08 21:40
__boo'cause i will pukeApr 08 21:40
__booeven though i partly wanted toApr 08 21:40
__boojust to play gamesApr 08 21:40
Balrog__boo: you mean $ ? Use a second HDD if you can afford itApr 08 21:40
wispygalaxylinux is easier to install, imoApr 08 21:40
wispygalaxydebian was a breeze, believe it or notApr 08 21:40
Balrogdual-boot Linux and WindowsApr 08 21:40
__booBalrog, i already got 5 hdsApr 08 21:40
__boohddsApr 08 21:40
__booand >1tbApr 08 21:40
wispygalaxywow!Apr 08 21:40
BalroghrrrmmmmApr 08 21:41
__boobut i can't afford myself it physicallyApr 08 21:41
__boo'cause it makes me pukeApr 08 21:41
wispygalaxydo it, then you can brag about how you survived the experience :PApr 08 21:41
__booit's just against my freedom loving entityApr 08 21:41
wispygalaxyembrace freedom!Apr 08 21:41
__booi know that our russian hackers or whoever else will just crack that win7 drmApr 08 21:41
__booor anything that's concernedApr 08 21:42
__booand everybody will use win7 and get updatesApr 08 21:42
Balrog__boo: they may crack activation and WGAApr 08 21:42
__booi knowApr 08 21:42
__boobut do you need wgaApr 08 21:42
Balrogbut they won't remove the DRM embedded deeperApr 08 21:42
__boocrackApr 08 21:42
Balroglike the file copy stuffApr 08 21:42
Balrog&cApr 08 21:42
__boomay be... in either case... it's last windows that i'm usingApr 08 21:42
wispygalaxymy last windows was vistaApr 08 21:44
BalrogXP should be the last windows you're using :DApr 08 21:44
__booit's xp x64Apr 08 21:44
__booproApr 08 21:44
__boopiratedApr 08 21:44
Balrog__boo: I use the windows that comes with the computerApr 08 21:44
Balrogor at least the install keyApr 08 21:44
Balrogor the MSDN copy they give meApr 08 21:44
Balrog(which I can't avoid paying for indirectly) :(Apr 08 21:45
__boomay be police in your country cares about it too muchApr 08 21:45
__boohere it's notApr 08 21:45
__boo(russia) and you can install at home whatever you wantApr 08 21:45
Balrogwatch out, they're cracking downApr 08 21:45
Balrog__boo: that may be true, but that prevents FOSS from making wayApr 08 21:45
Balrogpeople like you get hooked on Windows, then when they crack down, they have no choiceApr 08 21:46
__booyou just don't understand how things go hereApr 08 21:46
BalrogI've read a lotApr 08 21:46
__booit's all bsApr 08 21:46
*zer0c00l has quit ("halt")Apr 08 21:46
__boo95% use windows hereApr 08 21:46
Balrogpiracy is the first step. Then they crack down, and you're outta luckApr 08 21:46
__booand they don't even imagine what linux isApr 08 21:46
Balrogschestowitz: care to comment?Apr 08 21:46
wispygalaxyi hope foss will win in various countriesApr 08 21:46
wispygalaxypoor children will not become addicted to MS softwareApr 08 21:47
__booso you just don't get a job unless you use windowsApr 08 21:47
__booyeah, wispygalaxyApr 08 21:47
__boothey are made to get addicted to it since schoolApr 08 21:47
wispygalaxywell, i know spreadsheet software and word processingApr 08 21:47
silentivmhere in Brazil, most people have a bad image of LinuxApr 08 21:47
silentivmthey think that it "is an operating system with no GUI"Apr 08 21:47
__booeducational program is designed for windows hereApr 08 21:47
wispygalaxyusing OO is no different compared to Word, just more freedom!Apr 08 21:47
silentivm__boo, here tooApr 08 21:47
Balrogusing oo is better than word 07 for word 03 users :)Apr 08 21:48
BalrogbblApr 08 21:48
__boowindows is kinda enlisted as the only os to teachApr 08 21:48
wispygalaxyk balrogApr 08 21:48
wispygalaxybut things can change!Apr 08 21:48
silentivmmost universities will not allow you to even apply with them if you don't use IEApr 08 21:48
wispygalaxyFirefox is accepted hereApr 08 21:48
__boowtfApr 08 21:48
silentivmpages don't open, forms don't print etc..Apr 08 21:48
silentivmwispygalaxy, here it isn'tApr 08 21:48
silentivmmany people still use IE 6Apr 08 21:48
wispygalaxybrazil loves red hatApr 08 21:48
taconethe milan's university i was subscribed toApr 08 21:48
taconeuses dual boot windows/ubuntu this year.Apr 08 21:48
wispygalaxyi hear about it all the timeApr 08 21:48
silentivmwispygalaxy, yepApr 08 21:49
__booi use ie6 but banned it from internetApr 08 21:49
silentivmbut *the government* loves Linux... most people hate itApr 08 21:49
wispygalaxyahhh, memories of IE6Apr 08 21:49
wispygalaxyhate?  but the average person does not know of itApr 08 21:49
taconewith professors using Fedora. And pushing students to install linux otherwise "I'm not sure I can help you, since i don't know windows so much"Apr 08 21:49
__booyeah... government loves linux but enforces m$ rulesApr 08 21:49
wispygalaxyb/c of no advertisingApr 08 21:49
__booi heard about itApr 08 21:49
__booit's everywhereApr 08 21:49
silentivmwispygalaxy, sometimes they know but hate it even if they don't know much about itApr 08 21:49
__boohere in russia even government doesn't like linuxApr 08 21:50
silentivmsomeone told them "Linux is for nerds"Apr 08 21:50
silentivmthey faithfully believedApr 08 21:50
__boothey use pirated windowsApr 08 21:50
wispygalaxywell, i hope netbooks will open people's eyes that linux is a great alternativeApr 08 21:50
wispygalaxylinux is not for nerds only hahaApr 08 21:50
wispygalaxyim a finance major, and i can use it easilyApr 08 21:50
silentivmyepApr 08 21:50
wispygalaxyim no techie *at all*Apr 08 21:50
taconeif they keep choosing xandros, then i think it will be hard :)Apr 08 21:50
silentivmbut try and tell this to peopleApr 08 21:50
silentivmthey don't want to learn anything newApr 08 21:50
__boopeople don't wanna learn = ruleApr 08 21:51
wispygalaxywell, the gui is improving and it looks fabApr 08 21:51
silentivmthey want (their pirated copies) of Windows/Office/Photoshop/whatever is the current cool game or app and they want it NOWApr 08 21:51
wispygalaxynew generation of computer users always are arriving, why not teach them linux?Apr 08 21:51
__boosilentivm, i just discovered one netbook at my workplaceApr 08 21:51
__booit's full of pirated windows stuffApr 08 21:51
wispygalaxythe kids my age are open minded, they are embracing mac and to some extent linuxApr 08 21:51
__booall that you mentioned and much moreApr 08 21:52
__booit's about 15000$ at leastApr 08 21:52
taconepiracy doesn't existApr 08 21:52
__booof swApr 08 21:52
taconepiracy = windows trial version.Apr 08 21:52
__booand noone even gonna use that allApr 08 21:52
silentivm__boo, same hereApr 08 21:52
silentivmit's just too easy to buy pirated copies hereApr 08 21:52
silentivmand nobody caresApr 08 21:52
__boopirated copys?Apr 08 21:52
silentivmyepApr 08 21:52
__bootorrents and other sourcesApr 08 21:52
balzacwispygalaxy: GNU and linuxApr 08 21:53
wispygalaxyhi balzacApr 08 21:53
silentivm__boo, yes, but people here tend to buy cheap ($1) pirated CDsApr 08 21:53
balzacunless you mean just the kernel...Apr 08 21:53
balzachi wispygalaxyApr 08 21:53
wispygalaxyyeah, i call linux 'linux' but i know it should be gnu/linuxApr 08 21:53
__boosilentivm, here in russia cops visit that places from time to timeApr 08 21:53
__boowhere pirated software or smth is solfApr 08 21:53
__boosoldApr 08 21:53
silentivm__boo, here in Brazil too, but the police doesn't care at allApr 08 21:53
silentivmin fact, I once saw a policeman buying pirated stuff!Apr 08 21:54
__booand then those discs become about 2$-3$-4$ eachApr 08 21:54
taconeschestowitz:  by the way, the TomBoy=>c++ post is having a lot of visits. considering I didn't got linked by major publishers, it really shows people care about the Mono problem.Apr 08 21:54
silentivm(a pirated movie DVD, but still)Apr 08 21:54
__boosilentivm, where do you lve?Apr 08 21:54
wispygalaxymy sister's friend's dad got a pirated justin timberlake CD from china for $1Apr 08 21:54
__booliveApr 08 21:54
silentivm__boo, south of BrazilApr 08 21:54
__boololApr 08 21:54
wispygalaxyit had his greatest hits :PApr 08 21:54
__booyou don't imagine what cops think about it hereApr 08 21:54
__boothey take that pirated productionApr 08 21:54
silentivmI live in this city -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wi...Apr 08 21:55
__bootake all the disks that they want in their private usageApr 08 21:55
__booand then burn the trashApr 08 21:55
silentivm__boo, same hereApr 08 21:55
__booand i'm not against itApr 08 21:55
__boothey can't learn linuxApr 08 21:55
__boothey are too dumb for thatApr 08 21:55
wispygalaxylinux isn't hard at all!Apr 08 21:55
__booyou didn't see themApr 08 21:56
silentivmno, it isn't if you're willing to learnApr 08 21:56
wispygalaxywe shouldn't underestimate peopleApr 08 21:56
silentivmbut if you aren't, anything is hardApr 08 21:56
wispygalaxywe judge people on what we see on the outsideApr 08 21:56
__boodid you see cellphone robbers or some guys that just want to take something from you?Apr 08 21:56
wispygalaxyand think they are a certain wayApr 08 21:56
__booin the middle of the darkened streetApr 08 21:56
__boothat's =copsApr 08 21:56
wispygalaxypickpockets?Apr 08 21:56
__boojust without lawApr 08 21:57
wispygalaxyoh i see lolApr 08 21:57
schestowitzBalrog: they don't crack down much in RussiaApr 08 21:57
schestowitzLinux is taking off there, so they turn a blind eye and make very little profitApr 08 21:57
__boothey don't crack down almost at allApr 08 21:57
wispygalaxyin pakistan at the airports, guys will snatch your luggage and to get it back you have to pay them $20Apr 08 21:57
__boothose guys are braindeadApr 08 21:57
__boothey barely can click on icons in windowsApr 08 21:57
silentivm__boo, same hereApr 08 21:57
silentivmcrackdowns are occasionalApr 08 21:57
silentivmand randomApr 08 21:57
wispygalaxytechnology is increasingly important, so people will have more and more computer skillsApr 08 21:58
schestowitztacone: more and more universities dual-boot nowApr 08 21:58
schestowitzIn the UK tooApr 08 21:58
wispygalaxyas a result, learning computers will not be as hardApr 08 21:58
wispygalaxylike linuxApr 08 21:58
__booyeah, they teach linux in university nowApr 08 21:58
balzacGNU and linuxApr 08 21:58
balzacGNU and linuxApr 08 21:58
taconeschestowitz: well, italy is not uk :)Apr 08 21:58
__boobut it's about half a year 1 subjectApr 08 21:58
silentivmmost people here don't even care about alternatives, they just want the software "which the professionals use", even if they know nothing about it nor have any use for itApr 08 21:58
wispygalaxyhaha balzacApr 08 21:58
balzacRoy, maybe you can add a bot which can correct peopleApr 08 21:58
wispygalaxymaybe the professional will change software to better alternativesApr 08 21:59
balzacyou know it bugs RMS and Linus loves itApr 08 21:59
wispygalaxyonce they learn about fossApr 08 21:59
silentivmI hope soApr 08 21:59
wispygalaxyhaha the beef between themApr 08 21:59
balzac"linux, linux, linux"Apr 08 21:59
__boowhat linux? it's kinda the only alternative nowadaysApr 08 22:00
schestowitztacone: UK will be last to become freeApr 08 22:00
__booto all that proprietary stuffApr 08 22:00
wispygalaxythere are many distrosApr 08 22:00
schestowitzBut I see good news from ther todaApr 08 22:00
schestowitzAlso a petitionApr 08 22:00
wispygalaxyyou can't have enough of distrosApr 08 22:00
balzacwispygalaxy: Linus is the one with the problemApr 08 22:00
taconeschestowitz: uk has the companies as a problem. italy has ignorance as a problem.Apr 08 22:00
wispygalaxyjust like my sister can't have enough of purses :PApr 08 22:00
schestowitzbalzac: that would not workApr 08 22:01
wispygalaxyhaha linus is funnyApr 08 22:01
schestowitzIt would enter endless rcursionsApr 08 22:01
balzacRMS has been consistent, but this snot-nosed kid from Scandinavia somehow gets the credit for his life's workApr 08 22:01
schestowitzLike if you write "GNU/Linux"Apr 08 22:01
schestowitzThen it expandsApr 08 22:01
balzac-snot-nosedApr 08 22:01
wispygalaxythanks rms for all you did for usApr 08 22:01
schestowitz"Linux is from Finland"Apr 08 22:01
balzac"this guy"Apr 08 22:01
schestowitz"Created by a young man"Apr 08 22:01
wispygalaxypropsApr 08 22:02
schestowitzAnyway, that's not the pointApr 08 22:02
schestowitzBetter to work togetherApr 08 22:02
balzacDid people forget Karl Marx after the Bolshelvik revolution?Apr 08 22:02
balzacnoApr 08 22:02
schestowitzRMS will get justice if "Linux" winsApr 08 22:02
MinceRonly if GNU/Linux wins, not androidApr 08 22:02
balzacschestowitz: not if it's just the linux kernel with GNU user-space stripped out as you see with AndroidApr 08 22:02
wispygalaxylinux already did, on many things ;)Apr 08 22:02
__boobalzac, commie revolution wasn't about carl marxApr 08 22:02
taconehttp://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Apr-07.html embrace and extend ?!?!?Apr 08 22:02
wispygalaxymarx didnt invent communismApr 08 22:03
wispygalaxycommunism was inspired by marxApr 08 22:03
__booit was not about communism at allApr 08 22:03
__boothat revolutionApr 08 22:03
balzacwhat is up with all these punk-ass guys who want to bury RMS, decades before he's even reached retirement age?Apr 08 22:03
wispygalaxypoor rmsApr 08 22:03
balzac__boo: nevermind that, it's just a point to consider.Apr 08 22:03
__boothe point is that interests interferedApr 08 22:04
__booof jews and germanyApr 08 22:04
__booduring ww1Apr 08 22:04
__boojews had a way to put russia to kneesApr 08 22:04
balzacwell, if these guys need to be reminded, who is the living "legend" who has status above them, they can be reminded.Apr 08 22:04
__booand germany had a way to implement itApr 08 22:04
__boo= communismApr 08 22:04
__booand revolutionApr 08 22:04
balzac__boo: let's not make this about ethnicityApr 08 22:04
balzacor religionApr 08 22:05
balzacit's about software licensesApr 08 22:05
__boojudaism is not religionApr 08 22:05
balzacand jokers who try to ignore themApr 08 22:05
__boojudaism is not a religion at allApr 08 22:05
__booit's a sectApr 08 22:05
balzac__boo: I'm not interestedApr 08 22:05
trmancohey heyApr 08 22:05
wispygalaxyheyyy tony!Apr 08 22:05
wispygalaxyhow was spain?Apr 08 22:06
trmancovery good, thanks for askingApr 08 22:06
__boothe only thing is that this joke went too farApr 08 22:06
wispygalaxynp tony :)Apr 08 22:06
wispygalaxyi wish i was at the beach nowApr 08 22:06
trmancoI'm sick now though... :(Apr 08 22:06
__boofor 70 yearsApr 08 22:06
wispygalaxyawww get well soon1Apr 08 22:07
wispygalaxysoon!*Apr 08 22:07
taconefor the laugh http://bglinux.com/default.aspxApr 08 22:07
trmancothanksApr 08 22:07
wispygalaxy:)Apr 08 22:07
wispygalaxyhaha taconeApr 08 22:07
__boowowApr 08 22:07
balzacOne should not try to explain their idea of a given ethnicity/sect/cultural-group as it relates to WW1 & WW2 in a few lines on ircApr 08 22:07
balzacin a software channelApr 08 22:07
*balzac trout-slaps __boo Apr 08 22:08
__boobalzac i can explain itApr 08 22:08
balzacdon't botherApr 08 22:08
balzacwrong channelApr 08 22:08
trmancowtf is thatApr 08 22:08
*__boo beats BalrogApr 08 22:08
__boowowApr 08 22:08
balzacmissedApr 08 22:08
*__boo beats balzacApr 08 22:08
__boonot missed nowApr 08 22:08
trmancobglinux wtfApr 08 22:08
__boothe reasons are not that hard to explain and to understandApr 08 22:09
__boobut the schemes used are rather hardApr 08 22:09
balzac__boo: software.Apr 08 22:09
balzacGNU & Linux, not "linux"Apr 08 22:09
balzacthat is all.Apr 08 22:09
__boothat's why almost noone believes it XDApr 08 22:09
wispygalaxyit's too much to type, though: gnu/linuxApr 08 22:10
wispygalaxyim being lazy :PApr 08 22:10
balzacbetter to just call it "GNU"Apr 08 22:10
wispygalaxybut i agree with you, balzacApr 08 22:10
balzacrather than the driver code clear-house known as the "Linux Kernel"Apr 08 22:10
balzacclearing-houseApr 08 22:10
__boosince which version linux supported modules?Apr 08 22:11
trmancoUbuntu accuses Microsoft of Linux netbook FUD: http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_a...Apr 08 22:11
wispygalaxydo they make linux popcorn?Apr 08 22:11
wispygalaxysince they have the kernel and allApr 08 22:11
__boonooApr 08 22:11
wispygalaxyi know its spelled differently lolApr 08 22:11
taconetrmanco: i gave the link before.Apr 08 22:12
wispygalaxyid buy linux popcorn, since i know it's 100% real and not fake stuffApr 08 22:12
trmancotacone, ah okApr 08 22:12
__boothe first versions in my understanding didn't have an ability to load external modulesApr 08 22:12
taconehttp://blog.canonical.com/?p=151Apr 08 22:12
balzacIt's people who refer to GNU as "Linux" who might drive me to use GNU/BSD, just so I can be free of hearing "Linux, Linux, Linux" all day long in reference to GNU.Apr 08 22:12
balzacwell, at least when I'm asked what I'm using, I'll have an answer which will shut their pie-holes.Apr 08 22:13
wispygalaxyi need to type gnu/linux hundreds of times so it will sticj with meApr 08 22:13
wispygalaxystick*Apr 08 22:13
taconetrmanco:  i blogged it myself also. but nice that cw noticed as wellApr 08 22:13
MinceRor because you're just a closet bsd fanboy. :>Apr 08 22:13
wispygalaxydebian can use the bsd kernel, right?Apr 08 22:13
balzacyepApr 08 22:13
__booreally??Apr 08 22:14
MinceRthey can, i just don't know why they'd want toApr 08 22:14
wispygalaxychoice can lead to cool variations, remember thisApr 08 22:14
__boois bsd kernel 100% compatible?Apr 08 22:14
wispygalaxyif you don't like a certain kernel, you can switch itApr 08 22:14
schestowitz*ping* tacone Apr 08 22:14
taconetrmanco: nice link, updating my postApr 08 22:15
taconeschestowitz: pong.Apr 08 22:15
wispygalaxylolApr 08 22:15
wispygalaxycan i play too, roy? ;)Apr 08 22:15
MinceRi don't know if the bsd kernels work with glibcApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> lol, this is getting funApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> poor directhexApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> this really rubbed him the wrong wayApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> :-)Apr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> don't worry about it, he's just acting desperateApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> "swathes of major copyright violations"Apr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> heh, this guy's on crackApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> what once were major copyright violations, they now became minor procedural mistakesApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> if at allApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> where?Apr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> mono?Apr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> gnoteApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> they didn't like that it was relicensed to GPLv3 apparently :-)Apr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> Haha.Apr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> which is perfectly legalApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> competition too toughApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> yepApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> If it's .NET and the license sacks, it'll be forkedApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> That's freedomApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> Community takes overApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> can you try give some more push to gnote?  if it gets more contributors and gains momentum, it could possibly replace tomboy in default desktopsApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> I noticed because of your siteApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> but Hub is working on a f-spot replacement tooApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> (not ready yet)Apr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> :-)_Apr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> Sure.Apr 08 22:15
schestowitz<schestowitz> it made linuxtoday homepageApr 08 22:15
schestowitz<anon> greatApr 08 22:15
trmanco;)Apr 08 22:15
schestowitzThat's the short storyApr 08 22:15
trmancowho is Hub?Apr 08 22:16
taconeschestowitz: i also should note, the Mono Instant Messenger... it's GPL3Apr 08 22:16
__boowhat was linus's problem to accept gpl3?Apr 08 22:16
MinceRwho's distributing it?Apr 08 22:16
wispygalaxylinus likes gpl2 i hearApr 08 22:17
__boobut why he doesn't like gpl3?Apr 08 22:17
MinceRperhaps he wants to allow tivoizationApr 08 22:17
__bootivoization...Apr 08 22:17
taconesomeone convince wordpress to switch to gpl3. it's being distributed by ms.Apr 08 22:17
MinceRor he doesn't really prefer either, he just considers that it will take a lot of time to move everything in the kernel to gplv3Apr 08 22:17
balzactacone: try sovixApr 08 22:18
balzacagpl-licensedApr 08 22:18
MinceRso, who's distributing mono instant messenger?Apr 08 22:18
balzachttp://sovix.org/Main_pageApr 08 22:18
MinceRand will that automatically mean that recipients get patent licenses on all of mono?Apr 08 22:18
taconesovix = ?Apr 08 22:18
schestowitztacone: I tried with WordPressApr 08 22:19
schestowitzNo move yetApr 08 22:19
schestowitzThey should go AGPLv3Apr 08 22:19
schestowitzLiek Funambol.Apr 08 22:19
taconeschestowitz: i know. i was ranting :)Apr 08 22:19
trmancowe should give gnote a bigs hugApr 08 22:19
wispygalaxy*hugs*Apr 08 22:19
trmancoand some major contributionsApr 08 22:19
balzactacone: click the link and readApr 08 22:19
trmancooopsApr 08 22:19
trmancotypo....Apr 08 22:20
balzacit's an AGPL-licensed CMSApr 08 22:20
trmancoand get that .NET shit of as many distros as possibleApr 08 22:20
wispygalaxymono is just a way for MS to insert its technology into FOSsApr 08 22:21
balzacwispygalaxy said "insert"Apr 08 22:21
wispygalaxyit's not really about interoperabilityApr 08 22:21
trmanco... and then tell microsoft to shove it up it's ass... where it should't have left in the first placeApr 08 22:21
wispygalaxylolApr 08 22:21
trmancololApr 08 22:21
balzacBill Gates wants to "insert" his "microsoft" into FOSSApr 08 22:21
balzacdon't let him do it!Apr 08 22:21
wispygalaxyewwww!Apr 08 22:21
wispygalaxyhahaApr 08 22:22
trmancoINSERT INTO blah VALUES 0 0 0 0 1Apr 08 22:22
balzacyell, run, tell!Apr 08 22:22
taconebalzac: you miss my point.Apr 08 22:22
wispygalaxyit's rapeApr 08 22:22
balzaci dodged your pointApr 08 22:22
taconei'm not looking for an alternative. i'm saying ms distributes wordpress. i'd like it to switch to gpl3.Apr 08 22:22
taconeMinceR: http://synapse.im/Apr 08 22:22
balzactacone: I don't think they mind. Maybe you should worry less about wordpress. They're not worrying about your opinion, I bet.Apr 08 22:23
taconebalzac:  they develop on windows so much.Apr 08 22:23
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trmancowowApr 08 22:25
trmancohub is unstoppableApr 08 22:25
trmanco5 new commit todayApr 08 22:25
trmancocommits*Apr 08 22:26
wispygalaxydo you have a link tony for thatApr 08 22:26
trmancowispygalaxy, yes -> http://gitorious.org/projects/gnoteApr 08 22:27
wispygalaxythanks a bunchApr 08 22:27
taconemono is not only an injection. is also a way out if windows collapses.Apr 08 22:27
wispygalaxynice site designApr 08 22:28
wispygalaxyinteresting point, taconeApr 08 22:28
schestowitzSeems like BN has just reached the MSFTersApr 08 22:28
wispygalaxyms says they dont care about linux, but they are depending on it for survival if they fail!Apr 08 22:28
schestowitz"fyi, Kline wrote in a correction to the Red Hat statement in our piece, which I added. He must have been monitoring the exchange on your blog as I did not approach him. "Apr 08 22:28
taconewispygalaxy:  are you really expecting windows to last ? :-)Apr 08 22:28
trmancoTODOApr 08 22:28
trmanco2 - import automatically from TomboyApr 08 22:28
trmanco3 - port the pluginsApr 08 22:28
trmanco4 - translationsApr 08 22:28
schestowitzIt's about their anti-Red Hat FUDApr 08 22:28
wispygalaxyno fsking way haha taconeApr 08 22:28
schestowitzIn a recent article about Linux and patentsApr 08 22:28
trmancoI can do 4Apr 08 22:28
trmancobut I can't find any .po filesApr 08 22:29
taconemicrosoft problem is not users switching to linuxApr 08 22:29
wispygalaxywhy won't they leave us alone, those trolls?Apr 08 22:29
taconeis companies angry and sick for years and years of racket.Apr 08 22:29
schestowitztrmanco: maybe we should dedicate a page to gnoteApr 08 22:29
schestowitzand promote it somehowApr 08 22:29
schestowitzLike a campaign to replace Mono (Tomboy)Apr 08 22:29
taconeyou can see in netbooks. they are taking the risk of switch and found a market where they can.Apr 08 22:30
trmancoyeah, but it's still in alpha stage thoughApr 08 22:30
trmancomaybe contact the FSF :-PApr 08 22:30
wispygalaxylinux will gain more marketshare i believeApr 08 22:30
schestowitzContext of the corrections made to the MS anti-FOSS aricle:Apr 08 22:30
trmancoand give it some priorityApr 08 22:30
schestowitzI told the editor: "Sites about IP tend to capitalise in its perpetuation. In other words, notions like Commons or copyleft are sometimes contradictory, so pro-IP folk sometimes obstruct an economy of sharing."Apr 08 22:30
schestowitz"The work of Phelps et al (he worked with some Microsoft executives who reviewed it) was centred on software patents, which a company like Red Hat opposes. What Phelps et al do is wrap it together with things like trademarks to play the black art of statistics the way they want to play it."Apr 08 22:30
taconea netbook is the ideal market. a computer with 3-4 devices. not many drivers to manage. and you can say the customers it's not a full-blown computer if things go wrong.Apr 08 22:30
wispygalaxyyeah netbooks are easy for less techy peopleApr 08 22:31
wispygalaxysince there is less to manage, it's not scary to themApr 08 22:31
taconewispygalaxy: the real problem is.... customers have power in some countries.Apr 08 22:31
schestowitzbalzac: you're good with graphicsApr 08 22:31
taconeif you're a large oem.. you face class actions.Apr 08 22:32
schestowitzWanna make a "Spread GNote" button?Apr 08 22:32
taconeyou just can't risk.Apr 08 22:32
taconeand you probably have contracts and secret agreement with microsoft.Apr 08 22:32
schestowitzPromotional stuff to edge aside the main mono troublemaker in default GNOME?Apr 08 22:32
taconebut netbooks allow both to be workarounded in some way.Apr 08 22:32
wispygalaxyoems need to advertise linux so they can get people to buy linux and avoid windowsApr 08 22:32
wispygalaxyand ms can't make deals anymore since they have no customersApr 08 22:32
taconeschestowitz: lol !Apr 08 22:32
taconeomg ! nice idea !Apr 08 22:33
schestowitzWe'll spread it in blogs maybeApr 08 22:33
schestowitzIf it succeedsApr 08 22:33
taconeadopt a mono project, port it to c++ !Apr 08 22:33
schestowitz"Operation G"Apr 08 22:33
taconeahahahahah so nice.Apr 08 22:33
silentivmsounds like a nice ideaApr 08 22:33
silentivm:)Apr 08 22:33
schestowitzReplace the "N" or "M" (Mono/Microsoft) with the G (gnu and gcc for c++)Apr 08 22:33
trmancoand gtkmmApr 08 22:34
wispygalaxyhaha good ideaApr 08 22:34
schestowitzBecause I know how much the Mono people worry about itApr 08 22:34
schestowitzJo Shields for example..Apr 08 22:34
taconewell we're unfair with novellApr 08 22:34
schestowitz"Mono? We don't need no stinkin' mono"Apr 08 22:34
__boogo no jewcrosoftApr 08 22:34
taconewe really should give them a way out.Apr 08 22:34
schestowitztacone: how unfair?Apr 08 22:34
taconeschestowitz: do we have complains about mono, right ?Apr 08 22:35
schestowitzYesApr 08 22:35
schestowitzBecause of Microsoft and NovellApr 08 22:35
__booyeah, it probably shouldn't existApr 08 22:35
taconewhy don't we put together a list of things they could do to legitimate Mono ?Apr 08 22:35
schestowitzBut Microsoft and Novell collaborateApr 08 22:35
__boom$ doesn't collaborate with anybodyApr 08 22:35
taconethey will never do, but we may say we've tried :DApr 08 22:35
MinceRtacone: we'd probably be ignoredApr 08 22:35
schestowitzIt doesApr 08 22:35
schestowitzWith those who help it, __boo Apr 08 22:36
MinceRbut i think it might be worth itApr 08 22:36
__boonot it does notApr 08 22:36
__booit uses them as a slavesApr 08 22:36
schestowitzYesApr 08 22:36
schestowitzOf courseApr 08 22:36
__booit's not collaborationApr 08 22:36
schestowitzCollaborate /to/ MicrosoftApr 08 22:36
taconethings like make novell-microsoft agreement publicApr 08 22:36
schestowitzNot /with/Apr 08 22:36
taconemicrosoft to issue a non sue promise on monoApr 08 22:36
wispygalaxyms is like a pimp, controlling everyoneApr 08 22:36
schestowitzYes, but it's all out there alreadyApr 08 22:36
taconerevoke the exclusivity of the mono dealApr 08 22:36
taconeetc.Apr 08 22:36
schestowitzNeeds organising betterApr 08 22:36
MinceRi agree with __booApr 08 22:37
__boowas the full agreement ever in public?Apr 08 22:37
taconeschestowitz: but there's not a synthetic list out.Apr 08 22:37
MinceRit isn't collaborationApr 08 22:37
schestowitzI've got all the daily links nowApr 08 22:37
schestowitzWill start typing awayApr 08 22:37
schestowitzMinceR: like a man collaborates with a horseApr 08 22:37
wispygalaxynew entry for bn, roy?Apr 08 22:37
schestowitzHe gives some grass, the horse carries the loadApr 08 22:37
schestowitzwispygalaxy: not yetApr 08 22:37
wispygalaxyokApr 08 22:38
__booyeah... the man also eats horse if he has nothing to eat or just to kill itApr 08 22:38
__booand he kills it if the horse is exhaustedApr 08 22:38
MinceRthe horse is rarely treated as badly as m$ treats everyone outside itApr 08 22:39
__booand it's he who's up to exhaust itApr 08 22:39
wispygalaxyi'd rather let the horse rest than kill itApr 08 22:39
wispygalaxyi'm too kindApr 08 22:39
taconei have not enough knowledge on the matter to put such stuff together myself.Apr 08 22:39
__boolife will teach ya, taconeApr 08 22:39
tacone__boo:  ...Apr 08 22:39
balzacI can't stand Webex, recently acquired by CiscoApr 08 22:40
balzacThey have really obnoxious internet-radio ads.Apr 08 22:40
wispygalaxyno adblock for audio ads i guess hahaApr 08 22:41
MinceR(offtopic) http://www.keithpalmer.ca/msting-...  >>  Adam Cadre: The Eye of ArgonApr 08 22:41
balzacschestowitz: I'd like to make a spread Gnote graphic, but I'm totally piled up with work.Apr 08 22:42
balzacactually, reading your request reminded me I better quit reading entertainment sites...Apr 08 22:42
schestowitzwispygalaxy: volume contro? :-)Apr 08 22:44
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schestowitzBalrog: what kind of entertainment?Apr 08 22:44
schestowitzOops. balzac Apr 08 22:44
balzacbuzzfeedApr 08 22:44
schestowitzI'm watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?... ATM. Entertainment to some... interesting anywayApr 08 22:44
balzac.com i thinkApr 08 22:45
wispygalaxyhaha thats true roy, but im listening to my music library at the same timeApr 08 22:45
schestowitzbalzac: try this videoApr 08 22:45
taconehttp://www.youtube.com/watc...Apr 08 22:45
schestowitzI have dedicated keys on my keyboard for playbackApr 08 22:45
schestowitzCircle shaped bunch of buttonsApr 08 22:45
schestowitzWorks out of the box in MandrivaApr 08 22:45
taconevery niceApr 08 22:45
wispygalaxycoolioApr 08 22:45
schestowitzWindows would require some CDs and drivers for itApr 08 22:45
wispygalaxylinux works well for me tooApr 08 22:45
taconeschestowitz: are you using mandriva ?Apr 08 22:45
schestowitzYesApr 08 22:45
taconeis it debian or fedora based ?Apr 08 22:46
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MinceRit drives da man, that's why it's called mandriva. ;)Apr 08 22:46
wispygalaxyhahaApr 08 22:46
taconei know little about mandriva.Apr 08 22:47
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balzacroy: heavy...Apr 08 22:47
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taconebut reading their planet, seems nice.Apr 08 22:47
silentivmI used to run Mandriva on this laptopApr 08 22:47
silentivmbefore migrating to ArchApr 08 22:47
*john is now known as Guest11647Apr 08 22:47
balzacwispygalaxy: GNU & LinuxApr 08 22:47
trmancow00tApr 08 22:47
tacone"than 20,000 packages.". ok debianApr 08 22:47
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wispygalaxyahhhh sryApr 08 22:47
joseschestowitz, just posted a comment against sw patents. The related lt story is also a very nice one (but not directly related to patents).Apr 08 22:48
josehttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story....Apr 08 22:48
wispygalaxygnu/linux, gnu/linux, gnu/linux... i'll keep typing that till i get itApr 08 22:48
wispygalaxybrb soonApr 08 22:49
__bootoo much talks about sw patentsApr 08 22:50
josei'll be going....Apr 08 22:50
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__boowe all understand that some sw giant will once patent air breathingApr 08 22:50
__boowhy the f is there e=mc2 in article first?Apr 08 22:51
__booit's not even rightApr 08 22:52
__boodo patents go into public domain at last?Apr 08 22:54
__booand how long does it takeApr 08 22:54
schestowitzbalzac: yes, heavy... try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Apr 08 22:55
schestowitzIt's the war /OF/ terrorismApr 08 22:55
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__boolol... they wanna make money making war in iraqApr 08 22:57
__boolol, it's so funny to watchApr 08 22:58
balzachttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...  <-- Roy, watch thisApr 08 22:59
balzachilariousApr 08 22:59
__boolol, beer-shotgunning skillsApr 08 23:01
__boo"which proved to be a bit of a failure." *ROFL*Apr 08 23:02
__boowtf... maffei is an effing freakApr 08 23:04
__boohe consumed too much drugs in his early daysApr 08 23:05
wispygalaxy*ping* schestowitzApr 08 23:08
schestowitzYo!Apr 08 23:08
wispygalaxyhi, i have to go now :(Apr 08 23:08
schestowitzOh :-(Apr 08 23:08
schestowitzWell, I'll post links shortly.Apr 08 23:08
wispygalaxyyeah i had a good time hereApr 08 23:08
wispygalaxynice chatApr 08 23:09
wispygalaxyi'll see you soon!  xxApr 08 23:09
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schestowitzbalzac: he didn't read what he signedApr 08 23:12
schestowitzLike Linux devs who protested against GPLv3 because Linus did. They DIDN'T READ THE THING!Apr 08 23:13
balzacindeedApr 08 23:13
balzacso many people simply "subscribe" to the self-concept projected outwardly by othersApr 08 23:14
balzacegocracyApr 08 23:14
balzacego-ocracyApr 08 23:14
balzacegoligarchyApr 08 23:15
*balzac coins another keeperApr 08 23:15
balzacegoligarchy of angstivistsApr 08 23:15
MinceRlet's add a few more random syllablesApr 08 23:17
balzacthey're not random, dumbassApr 08 23:17
MinceRthey might as well be, dumbassApr 08 23:18
*balzac punches MinceR in the heartApr 08 23:18
MinceRyou missed.Apr 08 23:19
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MinceRnow you hit magentar's heart.Apr 08 23:20
__booegoligophrenyApr 08 23:23
__booare lgpl and gpl3 compatible?Apr 08 23:24
MinceRegoligophrenomyApr 08 23:24
MinceRlgpl3 and gpl3 are compatible, iircApr 08 23:25
__booit's easy as that: egophobiaApr 08 23:25
MinceRegolobotomyApr 08 23:25
__booegophobia explains that allApr 08 23:26
MinceRiirc lgpl3 is just gpl3 with one of the additional, optional terms that gpl3 allows, so you can use lgpl3 code in gpl3 code but not the other way aroundApr 08 23:26
schestowitzCheck out http://www.google.com/search?hl=en...Apr 08 23:26
schestowitzSo many GNOTEsApr 08 23:26
MinceRegoligamentophobiaApr 08 23:26
__boowtfApr 08 23:26
taconeschestowitz: so ?Apr 08 23:26
__booyeah, i searched it alreadyApr 08 23:27
__boowhen you were talkign about gnoteApr 08 23:27
schestowitzhttp://gitorious.org/projects/gnote "GNU General Public License version 3 (GPLv3)" Yum!Apr 08 23:27
schestowitztacone: I was trying to find their logoApr 08 23:27
schestowitzTo promoyteApr 08 23:27
__booand found that tooApr 08 23:27
taconetheir ?Apr 08 23:28
taconeare them already more than 1 poor guy ?Apr 08 23:28
MinceRwhy poor?Apr 08 23:28
taconepoor because alone in doing all the workApr 08 23:28
__boopoor guys don't make websitesApr 08 23:28
schestowitz12 Mar 22:16Apr 08 23:28
taconeand poor because unemployed.Apr 08 23:28
schestowitz[createdApr 08 23:28
__bootacone, it doesn't mean a thingApr 08 23:29
__boowhether he's employed constantly or working as a freelancerApr 08 23:29
tacone....Apr 08 23:29
__booas a freelancer he's even richer in spiritual meaning than employedApr 08 23:29
tacone__boo: leave that alone.Apr 08 23:30
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__boowhy?Apr 08 23:32
__bootacone:Apr 08 23:32
taconebecause i highly doubt he is fully into freelancing if he was layed off the previous monthApr 08 23:33
__boooh come onApr 08 23:33
taconeif he declared he is doing gnote out of boredomApr 08 23:33
__booit doesn't matter what was the matterApr 08 23:34
__boobut he's doing something for himselfApr 08 23:34
taconeand because i said "poor" lightheartedly. i really don't want to spend all the night discussing a word.Apr 08 23:34
__boojust don't call poor a guy that has guts to do something on his ownApr 08 23:35
__boopoor are those who work as m$ slavesApr 08 23:35
__booeven if they get muchApr 08 23:35
__boopoor are those who tend to stick to popular thingsApr 08 23:36
__boojust to not to get out of flowApr 08 23:37
taconelike apache ?Apr 08 23:37
__booi don't know about apache much, i was using it though 7 or so years ago to get grades on some subjectApr 08 23:38
MinceRgnApr 08 23:45
__boodoes anyone know any wolf bot irc channel on some server to play?Apr 08 23:50
__boonot ##jswolfbot hereApr 08 23:50
__booit's full of inadequate opsApr 08 23:50
__boomostly from ##windowsApr 08 23:51
MinceRwhat are windows guys doing here anyway? this isn't the network of the Villain-Directed Projects Center!Apr 08 23:51
__boowhere do you see windows guys?Apr 08 23:53
__booMinceRApr 08 23:53
__boo?Apr 08 23:54
MinceRi thought they were on ##windowsApr 08 23:54
__boowho?Apr 08 23:54
MinceRand by "here" i meant freenodeApr 08 23:54
__booexactlyApr 08 23:54
__booi don't see anyone in this channel that won't get banned in ##windows sooner or laterApr 08 23:55
MinceRthey're supposed to use m$n messenger anyway, m$ has abandoned irc long ago :>Apr 08 23:55
__booif he continues to prove his pointApr 08 23:56
__booso name at least one?Apr 08 23:56
__booMinceRApr 08 23:56
__booseems like an empty talkApr 08 23:58
__booand if you're talking about freenode as not a "Villain-Directed Projects Center" then you're wrongApr 08 23:59
__booi've seen enough of ##windows and #defocusApr 08 23:59

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