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schestowitzLet me get the refApr 08 17:12
DaemonFCdisable updates means no bug fixesApr 08 17:12
schestowitzSlated has itApr 08 17:12
MinceRbetter yet, pull the plug when you boot itApr 08 17:13
PeterKrausDaemonFC: virtual machine :PApr 08 17:13
MinceRschestowitz: i rememberApr 08 17:13
schestowitzIt was shown that Windows updates regardless or settingsApr 08 17:13
PeterKrausDaemonFC: the only thing i use is skypeApr 08 17:13
PeterKrausif skype provided 64b version....Apr 08 17:13
DaemonFCPeterKraus: Do you figure I could pass my webcam through a VM and have Windows see itApr 08 17:13
DaemonFCas a guest?Apr 08 17:13
MinceRhm, does anyone here know where do their updates from? (dns and/or ip address)Apr 08 17:13
MinceR(especially the more sneaky ones)Apr 08 17:13
PeterKrausDaemonFC: i think you shouldApr 08 17:13
DaemonFCI remember seeing a USB pass through option in Virtual BoxApr 08 17:14
DaemonFCI wonder if that would do itApr 08 17:14
DaemonFCAdobe's Flash for Linux can't access a microphoneApr 08 17:14
DaemonFCso I can't do UstreamApr 08 17:14
MinceRi've seen usb passthrough in qemu/kvm tooApr 08 17:14
_Hicham_DaemonFC : Adobe flash can access the microphoneApr 08 17:14
DaemonFCnot on X86-64Apr 08 17:15
MinceRwhy don't you try the 32bit flash then?Apr 08 17:15
PeterKrausthere we goApr 08 17:15
DaemonFCI didApr 08 17:15
DaemonFCin 32-bit Firefox no lessApr 08 17:15
MinceRalso, the pile of hacks you did about audio might have influenced it too :>Apr 08 17:15
DaemonFCno, Adobe lists it as a flash bugApr 08 17:16
DaemonFCIt would be nice if I could force the world to stop being stupid and give up Flash and Windows Live MessengerApr 08 17:17
DaemonFCB-)Apr 08 17:17
DaemonFCkeep dreamingApr 08 17:17
MinceRindeedApr 08 17:17
_Hicham_DeamonFC : it is not dreamingApr 08 17:17
_Hicham_if Jabber is marketed well, why notApr 08 17:18
_Hicham_Jabber needs marketing, just like FirefoxApr 08 17:18
DaemonFChmmm, it looks like it builtApr 08 17:18
DaemonFCnow....will it boot?Apr 08 17:18
DaemonFCB-)Apr 08 17:18
MinceRwill it blend?Apr 08 17:18
DaemonFCI backported some 2.6.30 stuff to 2.6.28.9Apr 08 17:19
DaemonFCto hopefully unfuck Pulseaudio without having to go with a later kernel totallyApr 08 17:19
MinceRwhy don't you just configure alsa/dmix?Apr 08 17:19
DaemonFCthere is no dmix packageApr 08 17:20
schestowitzYikes! "Spokane County's limits on the sales of phosphates in dishwasher detergent has slowed the flood of pollutants into the Spokane River -- but sped the flood of shoppers into Idaho to get the strong soap" http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworl...Apr 08 17:20
MinceRdmix is part of alsaApr 08 17:20
schestowitz_Hicham_: jabber=ciscoApr 08 17:21
schestowitzThey have $$Apr 08 17:21
_Hicham_DaemonFC: why not try the latest 2.6.30?Apr 08 17:21
schestowitzWhy try s/w in test mode?Apr 08 17:21
_Hicham_schestowitz : are u sure about that?Apr 08 17:21
schestowitzhe's just trying to break itApr 08 17:21
schestowitzLiving on the edge like a rock climber or something, then complainsApr 08 17:22
schestowitz_Hicham_: it's -rcApr 08 17:22
schestowitzOh, jaabber..Apr 08 17:22
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schestowitzhttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/Messagin...Apr 08 17:22
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schestowitzMicrosoft Explains the Harm Its Zombies Cause (almost all mail is spam): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te...Apr 08 17:23
_Hicham_schestowitz : so there is no open im protocol?Apr 08 17:24
MinceRXMPP is still openApr 08 17:25
schestowitzIt's a shame that Google neglects GNU in Android. Google built itself on GNU and Free software. Linux was nonetheless important, but it's too misleading...Apr 08 17:25
MinceRthough cisco might take it in a bad directionApr 08 17:25
MinceRit can be forkedApr 08 17:25
MinceRunless sw patents are in the way, of courseApr 08 17:25
schestowitzCisco doesn't play with patents like MS doesApr 08 17:26
schestowitzIt gets hit by trolls though.Apr 08 17:26
schestowitzStudents Sue Prosecutor in Cellphone Photos Case  < http://www.nytimes.com/... >Apr 08 17:27
schestowitzFBI Defends Disruptive Raids on Texas Data Centers < http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2... >Apr 08 17:27
schestowitzChange? Obama DOJ invents radical authoritarian theory to defend Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/0... >Apr 08 17:28
schestowitzMPAA SHOCKER: “PreVail” Cammer Gets Small Fine, No Jail Time < http://www.zeropaid.com/news/85948/mp... >. What about Cheney?Apr 08 17:31
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DaemonFChmmm, it workedApr 08 17:34
DaemonFCB-)Apr 08 17:34
schestowitzEFF: Obama DOJ's Warrantless Wiretapping Arguments Are Worse Than Bush's < http://govhealthit.com/articles... >Apr 08 17:37
_Hicham_DaemonFC : what worked?Apr 08 17:38
schestowitzhe perpetuates the Bush policies rather than distance himself from them. Not good... and he spreads the disease to his buddies in the British government too... much like Russian attacked Chechnya backed by precedence of US assaults in the mideast...Apr 08 17:38
schestowitzDaemonFC: new kernelApr 08 17:39
DaemonFCyesApr 08 17:41
schestowitzhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the_pre... "Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing." Bollox. Words are cheap.Apr 08 17:42
schestowitzHe already denies access to ACTAApr 08 17:42
_Hicham_DaemonFC : what kernel?Apr 08 17:42
schestowitzShaking, Rumbling Movie Chair Puts You In The Driver's Seat < http://techdirt.com/articles... >Apr 08 17:42
schestowitz_Hicham_: the HURDApr 08 17:42
DaemonFCryan@ryan-desktop:~$ uname -aApr 08 17:43
DaemonFCLinux ryan-desktop 2.6.28.9-ryan2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 8 12:07:27 EDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/LinuxApr 08 17:43
schestowitzDaemonFC is a GNU-luvin chapApr 08 17:43
DaemonFChttp://img512.imageshack.us/i...Apr 08 17:43
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DaemonFCI just replaced pcm_lib.c with the one from Takashi Iwai's gitApr 08 17:45
DaemonFC(headed for 2.6.30)Apr 08 17:46
schestowitzYou've got to watch this: Video reveals G20 police assault on man who died http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/200...Apr 08 17:46
schestowitzHe diesApr 08 17:46
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schestowitzbecause the police shoved him for going back home from workApr 08 17:46
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schestowitzThat Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/0... >Apr 08 17:51
schestowitzEruaran: More Australian Weather Records Tumble  < http://www.desmogblog.com/more-we... >Apr 08 17:54
schestowitzBrutal Murder of Ian Tomlinson < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/arc... >Apr 08 17:57
schestowitzToshiba OpenSolaris Laptops < http://www.opensolaris.com/t... >Apr 08 17:57
schestowitzThe day I lost all faith in my country's authorities < http://www.griffindor.org.uk/index2.php?y... >Apr 08 17:58
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schestowitzwhat's the web look like? < http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/a... >Apr 08 18:00
trmancoLinux Supports More Filesystems With 2.6.30-rc1: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?...Apr 08 18:00
schestowitz"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to ask the Communities Secretary to require that all software produced by councils under the Timely Information to Citizens project be released under an open source licence" http://petitions.number10.gov....Apr 08 18:02
schestowitztrmanco: how about Mac OS X and Windows? Any releases? Any new FSs?Apr 08 18:02
trmancololApr 08 18:02
trmancoI don't know about mac, but on Windows ntfs hasn't been touched in a while IIRCApr 08 18:03
schestowitzThere's a striking differeceApr 08 18:03
schestowitzWhen I think about installing an OS we have a fun sea of choiceApr 08 18:03
schestowitzAs Apple/Microsoft customers you are TOLD what to move toApr 08 18:03
schestowitzThere is ONE choiceApr 08 18:03
schestowitzOne filesystem, one 'DE', one level of bloat, same programs, no bootloader...Apr 08 18:04
trmancoyou always need a boot loaderApr 08 18:05
*DaemonFC wonders how schestowitz feels about CedegaApr 08 18:05
schestowitztrmanco: re ntfs, they tried to extend it with winfs back in like the 90s (conception) and practically early in the decadeApr 08 18:05
DaemonFC:)Apr 08 18:05
schestowitzThey failed badly , so Windows uses an archaic FSApr 08 18:05
schestowitzDaemonFC: I don't use Windows programsApr 08 18:05
DaemonFCNTFS actually supports a lot of modern file system featuresApr 08 18:05
DaemonFCthe most damnable thing about it is how it crams files togetherApr 08 18:06
schestowitztrmanco: yeah, safe mode, normal mode..Apr 08 18:06
schestowitzOr sem-hidden in the case of Apple PCs[sic]Apr 08 18:06
DaemonFCno, in many ways NTFS is more advanced than Ext3, for exampleApr 08 18:06
trmancothat too, but windows does have a bootloader, but a crappy oneApr 08 18:06
DaemonFCit has Extents and Delayed AllocationApr 08 18:06
trmancoDaemonFC, no file permissions is a no noApr 08 18:06
schestowitztrmanco: tell me when Microsoft's bootloaders support what they call "alien" OSesApr 08 18:07
schestowitzRecall DR-DOS...Apr 08 18:07
DaemonFCNTFS has file permissionsApr 08 18:07
trmancoschestowitz, noneApr 08 18:07
trmancoproper file permissionsApr 08 18:07
DaemonFChttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...Apr 08 18:07
schestowitzAlien -- how insultingApr 08 18:07
schestowitzAs if Microsoft is planet EarthApr 08 18:07
DaemonFCit also supports some POSIX featuresApr 08 18:07
schestowitzThey conquered the planetApr 08 18:08
DaemonFCto the extent required by the Services For UNIX Based Applications subsystemApr 08 18:08
schestowitzRivals are aliens from another planet. Can't be recognisedApr 08 18:08
trmancoWindows serverApr 08 18:08
trmancoI'm a normal desktop userApr 08 18:08
DaemonFCtechnically, the only thing horribly wrong with NTFS is how it crams files togetherApr 08 18:09
DaemonFCleaving them no room to growApr 08 18:09
trmancothe filesystem may be the same, but some of the feature are hidden or inexistent in XP for exampleApr 08 18:09
DaemonFCwell yeah, you need the security policy editorApr 08 18:10
DaemonFCwhich would only be on XP ProApr 08 18:10
DaemonFCnot HomeApr 08 18:10
trmancoXO proApr 08 18:10
trmancopApr 08 18:10
DaemonFCHome Edition is not meant to have the same features as Pro, otherwise you'd have everyone buying the cheap Home EditionApr 08 18:10
trmancoit's hiddenApr 08 18:11
DaemonFCintroducing product activation is what drove thousands of legitimate customers awayApr 08 18:12
DaemonFCbut I doubt it's stopped any piratesApr 08 18:12
trmancoGerman gov't fines Microsoft for 'influencing' Office resale prices: http://www.betanews.com/article/German-g...Apr 08 18:12
trmancocool Virtualbox 2.2 comes with 3d accelerationApr 08 18:14
schestowitztrmanco: thanks, got one alreadyApr 08 18:16
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schestowitzThe MS Brown shill: "ODF=nobody read it before yessing, but maybe one day;OOXML=tought fights;revealed JTC 1 procedures were rubbish"Apr 08 18:18
amd-linuxRoy, I think you already know this news from Germany, but just in case you cont:Apr 08 18:18
amd-linuxdontApr 08 18:18
amd-linuxhttp://www.heise.de/newsticker/Bundes...Apr 08 18:18
schestowitzSo he's saying it's the rules' faultApr 08 18:19
schestowitzAs usual, clearing MS of corruption charges. His dear MS...Apr 08 18:19
schestowitzHe even sent this to a Microsoft employeeApr 08 18:19
amd-linuxand the latest browser stats - see the OS usage in the small print on the heise website, a mainstream IT siteApr 08 18:19
amd-linuxhttp://www.heise.de/newsticker/Fir...Apr 08 18:19
BalrogDaemonFC: product activation has increased the number of pirates, I feelApr 08 18:19
Balrogpeople don't want to deal with activation anymoreApr 08 18:20
trmanco"At the time the firm was hit by a storm of protest, when many users of Hotmail complained about the free email service's “pathetic” redesign. €®"Apr 08 18:20
balzacI cractivated my windows testing environmentsApr 08 18:20
trmancoOops: Microsoft wonk hits Live Messenger red button: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/...Apr 08 18:20
balzacI've bought at least three computers pre-loaded with XP, so BSA, if you're listening, don't even think of messing with me...Apr 08 18:20
Balrogbalzac: MS isn't getting any more money from me directly. What they get through MSDN subscriptions through the school I can't do anything about. :XApr 08 18:21
balzacI've got three winXP instances running on vboxApr 08 18:21
balzacthey won't get another penny from me until Bill Gates does a full mea culpaApr 08 18:21
balzache must admit that GNU is more powerful than MicrosoftApr 08 18:22
Balrogbalzac: bill gates isn't at MS anymoreApr 08 18:22
balzacstill, it would mean more coming from him than anyone elseApr 08 18:22
BalrogI'll bblApr 08 18:22
balzache's the one who wrote his "Open Letter to Hobbyists" which is quite the opposite from the GNU ManifestoApr 08 18:22
Balrogheh yeah.Apr 08 18:22
balzacI only use windows for testing IE6, IE7, and IE8Apr 08 18:23
balzacnothing elseApr 08 18:23
balzacI'm coerced by the monopoly status of Microsoft to make my web site templates conform to those browsersApr 08 18:24
schestowitzher's still at MSApr 08 18:24
schestowitzBillG is corrupting politicians for his babyApr 08 18:24
balzacI agreeApr 08 18:24
schestowitzSo he's busy outside the headquartersApr 08 18:24
schestowitzI have evidenceApr 08 18:24
schestowitzSee BN for examplesApr 08 18:24
schestowitz"The Australian government's consumer watchdog, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC), has forced Coca-Cola to take out advertisements in national newspapers to correct its misleading advertisements" < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8325 >Apr 08 18:24
balzacI have no doubt at all that he's still feeding his monsterApr 08 18:24
schestowitzPearlyG is like the dying newspaper giantsApr 08 18:25
schestowitzHe knows that corruption or software patents are the only thing keeping his company from floundering in the long termApr 08 18:25
schestowitzhttp://www.webopedia.com/TERM/W/... "Webopedia Term of the Day: Web as a platform"Apr 08 18:26
schestowitzPalladium as a platform :-)Apr 08 18:27
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxmail.org/scripts/c...Apr 08 18:28
schestowitzThey seem to be sort of shutting their doorsApr 08 18:28
schestowitzSomeone's mailing me about it ATMApr 08 18:28
trmancoNetflix loves/hates Linux: http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=531Apr 08 18:30
schestowitzWho needs Netflix?Apr 08 18:34
schestowitzIt typically feeds the copyright cartel.Apr 08 18:35
schestowitzBringing Free Software into the European parliament < http://www.sorbaioli.org/2009/04/08/br...  >Apr 08 18:35
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schestowitzNew Gmail Interface for iPhone and Android < http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/07/new-g... > With LinuxMail on its way out, it's saddening to see some few giants devouring people's communication. People should use Web hosts for their mail.Apr 08 18:42
schestowitzGoogle Adds All-Important Java Support To App Engine < http://gigaom.com/2009/04/07/goog... >. No Mono/.NET support from GOOG.Apr 08 18:42
_Hicham_balzac : u can use IE on LinuxApr 08 18:44
schestowitzwot4?Apr 08 18:44
schestowitzuse browsershots.orgApr 08 18:44
MinceRvia wine, for exampleApr 08 18:45
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*MinceR managed to decode "wot4?" late :>Apr 08 18:45
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schestowitzWordPad in the next Vista has opendocument supportApr 08 18:46
schestowitzRudimentary, obviously.Apr 08 18:46
_Hicham_fuck VistaApr 08 18:47
_Hicham_fuck MSApr 08 18:47
_Hicham_fuck their shitApr 08 18:47
schestowitzWho would?Apr 08 18:47
_Hicham_everyoneApr 08 18:47
schestowitzYou know what Vista means in Latvian, IIRC?Apr 08 18:47
schestowitzMaybe it was Maltese...Apr 08 18:47
_Hicham_noApr 08 18:47
schestowitzIt means "whore"Apr 08 18:47
schestowitzSounds the same anwyayApr 08 18:48
schestowitzPeople there couldn't say Vista without busting in laughter at the officeApr 08 18:48
_Hicham_greatApr 08 18:49
_Hicham_Vista is a busty whore by the wayApr 08 18:49
_Hicham_good to fuck :DApr 08 18:49
MinceRi prefer to mkfs ;)Apr 08 18:49
MinceRbrowsershots.org will only work for static content and even of that only the first screenfulApr 08 18:52
MinceRand obviously no javascript warnings either :>Apr 08 18:52
schestowitzAndy Patrizio, who has a history of shilling for Microsoft, is now using the bogus (selective by design) numbers from NPD to attack LinuxApr 08 18:53
schestowitzThey are like a big pack of shills jumping for dollars and pretend they don't know what the numbers correspond toApr 08 18:53
MinceRthough apparently some of the shots do scroll all the way across the pageApr 08 18:54
schestowitzMinceR: true.Apr 08 18:54
MinceRi see a tall galeon shot with 3 scrollbar handles -- it probably scrolled automaticallyApr 08 18:54
schestowitzMicrosoft has aptly raised a generation of liar-nalistsApr 08 18:55
schestowitzJournalists and analystsApr 08 18:55
schestowitzFeeding one another -- data and coverage of itApr 08 18:56
schestowitzThey feed them from above..Apr 08 18:56
schestowitzAnd then watch how the Gartenbergs and Wilcoxes just swap hats and pebble anti-Linux stuff to scare shops and OEMsApr 08 18:56
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schestowitzCMSWire has been peddling ms garbage recently. They are clearly deceived: http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-developmen...Apr 08 19:08
schestowitzFrom Taylor Expansion to the "Taylor graph": http://blogs.zdnet.com/ope...Apr 08 19:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk... (New footage shows powerful blow to G20 fatality Ian Tomlinson)Apr 08 19:23
schestowitzU.K. Police Face Criminal Probe Over G-20 Death Video (Update1)  < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p... >Apr 08 19:25
schestowitzit's not just in the British news anymore: http://www.google.com/news?pz=1&am...Apr 08 19:25
tessier_That's an odd one.Apr 08 19:29
tessier_What are the odds that this guy would end up walking right in front of the police during a protest? And why would the police just hit him seemingly unprovoked like that?Apr 08 19:30
schestowitzhttp://video.news.sky.com/sky-...Apr 08 19:30
schestowitzWatch this as they speak of CCTVApr 08 19:30
schestowitzThey watch him going down the streetApr 08 19:30
schestowitzThey know time, route, position, they have footageApr 08 19:30
tessier_schestowitz: Is there really that much CCTV in the UK? I keep hearing about how big brother is everywhere there.Apr 08 19:30
tessier_I also hear it does nothing to deter crime according to studies.Apr 08 19:30
schestowitzWell, in main streets -- yesApr 08 19:31
schestowitztessier: yes, more of a post-morten thingApr 08 19:31
schestowitzLike in 9/11Apr 08 19:31
schestowitzWow. They can show how they board the planeApr 08 19:31
schestowitzWell, too bad they couldn't actually do something /before/ the crash, eh?Apr 08 19:31
tessier_My current employer is trying to get contracts to provide the disk storage for a lot of those video surveillance efforts. Some places have hundreds of cameras streaming HD video and they want to store a year of footage from them all.Apr 08 19:32
schestowitz"We've got a lot of data," they'll say. But it's a matter of quality, not quantity (specificity)Apr 08 19:32
schestowitztessier: EMC? Just not those bastards..Apr 08 19:33
tessier_I don't think there was anything that could have been done before the crash. Post-mortem is useful in that we can at least know who did it and go after their accomplices who may be planning similar attacks.Apr 08 19:33
tessier_No, not EMC. EMC is too expensive and way overkill for this sort of thing.Apr 08 19:33
schestowitztessier: true, true.Apr 08 19:34
tessier_Cheap mass storage. Just a ton of disks and a basic way to manage them.Apr 08 19:34
schestowitzWell, from my experience it's uselessApr 08 19:34
schestowitzI helped the police a few years back after witnessing a guy getting hit until he lost consciousness.Apr 08 19:34
tessier_That is all that is needed.Apr 08 19:34
schestowitzThe CCTV helped them see it happened, but not catch the crooksApr 08 19:34
tessier_Didn't get a good look at them in the video?Apr 08 19:34
tessier_Or maybe you had a good look at them but nobody came forward to identify them?Apr 08 19:35
schestowitzThey were skinheads. I doubt they could make much of itApr 08 19:35
schestowitzUnless they can trace it back to some pub or something and then ask people who might know them.Apr 08 19:35
schestowitzit wasn't a big deal that oneApr 08 19:35
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schestowitzThe Manchester news as of late suggests hire frequency of stabbingApr 08 19:36
schestowitzPetoKraus just had his bike stolen (in Scotland)Apr 08 19:36
tessier_I've seen lots of cases where video was useful. I don't know about over there in the UK but there are TV shows on just about every night here with "wildest police videos" showing all sorts of bank robberies and traffic accidents etc. The majority of it from security cameras.Apr 08 19:36
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schestowitztessier: it's a small countryApr 08 19:36
schestowitzper 'capita'Apr 08 19:36
schestowitzSo it's more economically-efficient to implement surveillance.Apr 08 19:36
schestowitzEsp. in dense area, not countryside.Apr 08 19:37
schestowitzFrom London I know a person where they have an aperture at every cornerApr 08 19:37
tessier_True.Apr 08 19:37
schestowitzHe once stared at one and the police came to his house the following dayApr 08 19:37
schestowitzRMS said people should stare on purposeApr 08 19:37
schestowitzJust to give them too many false positives until they drop the practice.Apr 08 19:38
tessier_How could they possibly have enough people to monitor all of those cameras to catch him staring?Apr 08 19:38
tessier_My real concern there is if video processing technology becomes sophisticated enough to tip them off to unusual activityApr 08 19:38
schestowitzThat's what /i/ thoughtApr 08 19:38
tessier_If a computer recognized him staring that's a different and more interesting matter.Apr 08 19:38
schestowitztessier: joy. Let algos run our livesApr 08 19:38
tessier_If a cop recognized him staring that's just bad luck on his part.Apr 08 19:39
schestowitzIt's like Terminator-type movie plotApr 08 19:39
schestowitzDon't enrageze machines!!1Apr 08 19:39
schestowitzAnother wierd thing is this:Apr 08 19:39
schestowitzIn the Independent (IIRC) it said G20 protesters were "anti-capitalism"Apr 08 19:40
schestowitzWTF? Since when is globalisation about capitalism and oppositon to it anti-capitalismApr 08 19:40
schestowitzWait until they call FOSS people the same and flag them somwhowApr 08 19:40
schestowitzSome computer engineer was stopped in the airport where they have some kind of interrogation chambers. They sent him to Syria IIRC for torturingApr 08 19:41
schestowitzEven professors were sent to chambers like that... in JFKApr 08 19:41
schestowitzActivists are claiming that they are put on lists and journalists too :-)Apr 08 19:41
schestowitzFascinating...Apr 08 19:41
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9P...Apr 08 19:42
Omar87HiApr 08 19:43
schestowitzDoctor bribes... Big Pharma Psychs Out the Shrinks < http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/... >Apr 08 19:44
schestowitz"It turns out that not just some, but most of the shrinks who wrote the American Psychiatric Association’s most recent clinical guidelines for treating depression, bipolar disorders, and schizophrenia—which together account for $25 billion in prescription drug sales annually—had financial ties to drug companies, according a study to be published in Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics, as reported in the Boston Globe."Apr 08 19:44
schestowitzFirm shifts From Windows to Linux, reduces support issues by 45% < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,10... >Apr 08 19:45
schestowitzNice success story for GNU/Linux: The new faces of Linux - Feeling the Power < http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009... >Apr 08 19:46
PetoKrausdana blankenfaggotApr 08 19:46
PetoKrauswhy is he even relevantApr 08 19:46
schestowitzPetoKraus: in what context?Apr 08 19:46
schestowitzHe wrote some book about the InternetApr 08 19:46
schestowitzAnd he follows politics and healthcareApr 08 19:47
PetoKrausyou posted an article him just a while agoApr 08 19:47
schestowitzhe's mostly an outsider to FOSSApr 08 19:47
PetoKraushttp://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3928Apr 08 19:47
schestowitzBut he writes about itApr 08 19:47
PetoKrausor was it somewhere else?Apr 08 19:47
PetoKrausi dunno, but i've got the link from somewhereApr 08 19:47
schestowitzI ignore Dana when I canApr 08 19:48
PetoKrausspecsavers use OSS?Apr 08 19:48
schestowitzHe rarely delivers any news anywayApr 08 19:48
PetoKrausi might go and get a new pair of lens thenApr 08 19:48
schestowitzPetoKraus: they use ScalixApr 08 19:48
schestowitz(ballnux/xandros)Apr 08 19:48
schestowitzFor mailApr 08 19:48
PetoKrausstill better than winblows, to be honestApr 08 19:49
PetoKrausi wonder, i'll have to go to a hospital or whateverApr 08 19:49
PetoKrausbut i think i might get free lens in my glasses as a studentApr 08 19:49
PetoKrausyeah and i paid my €£14 to national insurance last year :PApr 08 19:50
schestowitz"ZDNet's Dana Blankenhorn misses the point - http://tinyurl.com/cnqvb2 - and resorts to childish ad hominemsand getting my name wrong =8))"Apr 08 19:50
schestowitz"@schestowitz hmmmm, we were explaining what Specsavers have done to Blockbuster last year, and ran a workshop - shame they didn't listen...Apr 08 19:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Mark_AntonyApr 08 19:50
schestowitzSo I'm not the only one tired of BlankentabloidApr 08 19:51
schestowitzOh cool.Apr 08 19:52
schestowitzBN ha just made the front page of LTApr 08 19:52
schestowitztessier: Someone asks: "Can you find out exactly what happened between Michael Robertson and Kevin Carmony in relation to Linspire. The only references I can see is on their blogs and it might be slightly biased. Any third party sources?." There's none I could ever find. Maybe you know...? Local press?Apr 08 19:55
schestowitzDid someone forget to upgrade to GNU/Linux/BSD? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... (Cyberspies Hack U.S. Electrical Grid)Apr 08 19:57
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schestowitzHeh.  uʍop ǝpısdn sı ɹoʇıuoɯ ɹnoÊŽApr 08 19:58
schestowitzYuck. Man escapes from Sun to a criminal company... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...Apr 08 20:00
MinceRsɹnoʎ ouApr 08 20:01
schestowitztrmanco mentioned this already, but: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/... (Oops: Microsoft wonk hits Live Messenger red button)Apr 08 20:02
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wispygalaxyhi guys!Apr 08 20:07
wispygalaxyanyone here?Apr 08 20:11
PetoKraussort-ofApr 08 20:11
PetoKrausbut not for longApr 08 20:11
PetoKraus:)Apr 08 20:11
PetoKraushelloApr 08 20:11
wispygalaxyoh hey pk!Apr 08 20:11
wispygalaxyso how is college?Apr 08 20:12
wispygalaxyi have so many projects dueApr 08 20:12
wispygalaxy:(Apr 08 20:12
Balroghi everyone!Apr 08 20:12
Balrogso do I :(Apr 08 20:12
wispygalaxywhat's up, balrog? :DApr 08 20:12
Balrogtoo many projects due.Apr 08 20:13
BalroglolApr 08 20:13
wispygalaxythat sucksApr 08 20:13
schestowitzIs this Mark Stephens < http://www.technologyreview.com/bu... > or another person using his pseudonym? ... Apr 08 20:13
wispygalaxyi can't wait until may, when school's done!Apr 08 20:13
schestowitzHi, wispygalaxy. You always wake up the channelApr 08 20:13
wispygalaxyhiya roy ^_^Apr 08 20:13
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robe...Apr 08 20:13
BalrogI'm taking summer classes =)Apr 08 20:13
wispygalaxyhaha i do cause a scene ;)Apr 08 20:13
BalroglolApr 08 20:13
wispygalaxycool balrog, my friend took spanish classes over the summer and liked the experienceApr 08 20:14
schestowitzYes, the galaxy suddenly goes WHIZ!Apr 08 20:14
BalrogI'm doing intellectual heritage I, calc 3, and differential equationsApr 08 20:14
wispygalaxygee whiz hahaApr 08 20:14
schestowitzbrb phoneApr 08 20:14
wispygalaxykApr 08 20:14
wispygalaxyawww balrogApr 08 20:14
wispygalaxyany papers due?Apr 08 20:15
Balrogso how's everyone been doing?Apr 08 20:15
Balrogwispygalaxy: yes, two :(Apr 08 20:15
Balrognext weekApr 08 20:15
wispygalaxydarn!Apr 08 20:15
wispygalaxythe flowers are blooming, it's so lovelyApr 08 20:15
wispygalaxybut it's cold todayApr 08 20:15
Balrogyeah ... same here :/Apr 08 20:15
wispygalaxyi consider cold to be below 70 FApr 08 20:15
Balrognah, cold is below 55 FApr 08 20:16
wispygalaxybrrr!Apr 08 20:16
Balrog;)Apr 08 20:17
wispygalaxywomen get colder than men, it's been provenApr 08 20:17
wispygalaxyfor biological reasonsApr 08 20:17
Balrogheh lolApr 08 20:17
wispygalaxyso what do you plan to do this summer?Apr 08 20:18
wispygalaxyi am planning to intern somewhereApr 08 20:18
schestowitz*LOL* Watch the crook... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/... Must be GIMPEd in.Apr 08 20:18
wispygalaxygimpshoppedApr 08 20:19
wispygalaxyheheApr 08 20:19
schestowitzNot Free softwareApr 08 20:19
Balrogsummer classes, and work =)Apr 08 20:19
wispygalaxynice!Apr 08 20:19
schestowitzhttp://www.gimpshop.com/Apr 08 20:19
MinceRgimpshop isn't floss?Apr 08 20:19
schestowitzWait, I could be wrongApr 08 20:20
wispygalaxythat's cute royApr 08 20:20
schestowitzWhat's the project of that guy with a long surname?Apr 08 20:20
Balrogschestowitz: they have a .tar.bz2Apr 08 20:20
Balrogwith sourceApr 08 20:20
schestowitzHe put in some new features and charges for blob, IIRC.Apr 08 20:20
Balrogno, it's freeApr 08 20:20
schestowitzSomething like Kazaandeboldomwhateverr.Apr 08 20:20
Balroghttp://www.gimpshop.com/Apr 08 20:21
wispygalaxylet's call him 'k' royApr 08 20:21
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/...Apr 08 20:21
wispygalaxyto make it easier hahaApr 08 20:21
schestowitz"Interview with Pavel Kanzelsberger, Creator of Pixel"Apr 08 20:21
Balrogthat's Pixel, not gimpshopApr 08 20:21
Balroggimpshop is just gimp rearranged to look like photoshop, and is FOSSApr 08 20:22
schestowitz"LJ: I see that you charge $38 US for Pixel. Are you finding resistance among Linux and FreeBSD people to pay for their software?""PK: Yes, quite often even with requests to open-source Pixel. But, I'm trying to explain to them the licensing scheme. I'm not charging money for the Linux version of Pixel, but I'm charging for Pixel itself. It doesn't matter which operating system you are using—the license allows you to use any or aApr 08 20:22
schestowitzll of them. "Apr 08 20:22
schestowitzBalrog: yes, my badApr 08 20:22
Balrogschestowitz: is it open-source software?Apr 08 20:22
wispygalaxygimpshop is a good ideaApr 08 20:22
schestowitzUntil Adobe pulls patents and allApr 08 20:23
schestowitzWhich they rarely doApr 08 20:23
schestowitzI can't think of an inidentApr 08 20:23
wispygalaxyto help ease people used to close-sourced photoshop into FOSSApr 08 20:23
schestowitzThey never enforced the Phtoshop trademarks they protect, either.Apr 08 20:23
Balrogschestowitz: does the author provide source for Pixel, even under a restrictive license, if you buy it?Apr 08 20:24
wispygalaxyit's too much effort to protect all these patents and trademarksApr 08 20:24
schestowitzThis one with the name "PGP" has always confused: PGP offers whole disk encryption < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... >Apr 08 20:24
schestowitzBalrog: I can't rememberApr 08 20:24
BalrogApparently not. :XApr 08 20:24
schestowitzwispygalaxy: watch what happened to Psion with "netbook"Apr 08 20:25
schestowitzBut Psion --like SCO-- hasn't much to loseApr 08 20:25
schestowitzNot many clients to alienate by being bastardsApr 08 20:25
wispygalaxy*watching*Apr 08 20:25
wispygalaxyinterestingApr 08 20:26
wispygalaxyis sco completely dead?Apr 08 20:26
Balrognot completely :/Apr 08 20:26
wispygalaxyit's like an annoying little sister that won't go awayApr 08 20:27
schestowitzSister?Apr 08 20:27
schestowitzWhy insult girls?Apr 08 20:27
wispygalaxyreminds me of one hahaApr 08 20:27
wispygalaxyi never had a brotherApr 08 20:28
wispygalaxyso i can't compareApr 08 20:28
schestowitzI can lend you one.Apr 08 20:28
wispygalaxyi'm a girl myself btwApr 08 20:28
schestowitzI have a brother; but I'm jokingApr 08 20:28
wispygalaxyhaha!Apr 08 20:28
schestowitzI get along well with everyoneApr 08 20:28
wispygalaxyawwwwApr 08 20:28
wispygalaxyfamily love <3Apr 08 20:28
schestowitzExcept the catsApr 08 20:29
wispygalaxythat's because you don't give them cheezeburgersApr 08 20:29
wispygalaxythey hate you for thatApr 08 20:29
wispygalaxylolApr 08 20:29
Balrog:PApr 08 20:31
schestowitzNaa...Apr 08 20:31
schestowitzWell, the dog < http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi... > died... < http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch... >Apr 08 20:31
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wispygalaxyawwwww poor doggy!Apr 08 20:32
wispygalaxywow, what a cutie, royApr 08 20:32
wispygalaxyi had a dog when i was a babyApr 08 20:32
wispygalaxybut my dad realized that he was allergicApr 08 20:33
schestowitzBlueHost CEO really giving it to Microsoft now: Microsoft… AGAIN… < http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=182 >Apr 08 20:34
BalrogI'm stuck setting up windows on some systems :/Apr 08 20:34
schestowitzwispygalaxy: yes, I remember the allergyApr 08 20:34
wispygalaxyouch balrogApr 08 20:34
schestowitzNewsprint too, right?Apr 08 20:34
Balrogit's only a 'VM' within solaris thoughApr 08 20:34
wispygalaxyyep royApr 08 20:34
wispygalaxyi never tried solarisApr 08 20:34
wispygalaxyso ibm is not buying sun, right?Apr 08 20:35
schestowitzThere are olaris laptops nowApr 08 20:35
Balrogsolaris is .... interesting. Very much unlike linux. Also harder to deal with, imoApr 08 20:35
schestowitzIn lots of news today..Apr 08 20:35
wispygalaxyjava is safe for nowApr 08 20:35
schestowitzhttp://www.opensolaris.com/toshib... http://www.h-online.com/open/Toshiba...Apr 08 20:35
Balrogwas java ever in danger?Apr 08 20:35
schestowitzNopeApr 08 20:35
wispygalaxygood, we need laptops with different OS and distros, i love choiceApr 08 20:35
schestowitzJava is in good shapeApr 08 20:35
schestowitzwispygalaxy: yes, I like this tooApr 08 20:35
wispygalaxywhew royApr 08 20:36
schestowitzIt creates the notion of choice out thereApr 08 20:36
schestowitzNot netbook vs PCApr 08 20:36
schestowitzOr Macbook vs PCApr 08 20:36
wispygalaxyboring people don't like choiceApr 08 20:36
schestowitzOr Linux only on sub-notebooksApr 08 20:36
Balrogproblem is that most stores still stock only Windows laptops. Some stock Macs as well, but that's not much of a choice :/Apr 08 20:36
schestowitzwispygalaxy: not true.Apr 08 20:36
wispygalaxygrrrrApr 08 20:36
schestowitzSome people like it without onoinApr 08 20:36
MinceRwe need a choice between linux distros ;)Apr 08 20:36
schestowitzOr extra mayApr 08 20:36
schestowitzOr extra mayoApr 08 20:36
wispygalaxyyes haha mincerApr 08 20:37
wispygalaxybut flavor is good!Apr 08 20:37
BalrogMS argues that systems without an OS get 'pirated' windows installed on them .... not the case most of the timeApr 08 20:37
schestowitzTry SabayonApr 08 20:37
schestowitzYummyApr 08 20:37
wispygalaxyms spreading fud :(Apr 08 20:37
Balrogyeah :XApr 08 20:37
schestowitzhttp://www.herdaily.com/blogim...Apr 08 20:37
wispygalaxyi tried sabayon, but it's not my style.  debian im more comfortable withApr 08 20:37
wispygalaxyit's italian, right?Apr 08 20:37
schestowitzYesApr 08 20:38
schestowitzBut it's not an OSApr 08 20:38
wispygalaxydessertApr 08 20:38
schestowitzIt's *also* an OSApr 08 20:38
schestowitzYes, dessertApr 08 20:38
wispygalaxymulti-talented sabayon is a distro and dessertApr 08 20:38
schestowitzCan dual boot with laxatives (Windows Vista)Apr 08 20:38
Balrogis blag the only FSF-approved RPM-based linux distro?Apr 08 20:38
schestowitzMight be.Apr 08 20:39
schestowitzSlated would know for sureApr 08 20:39
Balroghttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news...Apr 08 20:39
wispygalaxyit can be more than one thing hahaApr 08 20:39
Balrog:XApr 08 20:39
schestowitzBalrog: yes, seen thatApr 08 20:39
Balrogfigures don't lie, but liars figureApr 08 20:40
wispygalaxyit's all about the interpretation of facts and figuresApr 08 20:40
schestowitzFascism galore... many crooks want to be the next Mussolini now.. passing law because "THIS IS AN AMERGENCY@@@@@33"Apr 08 20:40
wispygalaxyanyone can take evidence and manipulate itApr 08 20:40
Balroghave you heard what WotC did (with Dungeons and Dragons)?Apr 08 20:40
Balroghttp://games.slashdot.org/articl...Apr 08 20:41
Balrogremoved all PDF sales, due to 'piracy'Apr 08 20:41
wispygalaxythat's stupidApr 08 20:41
Balrogif you read the responses on the forum, people are saying that this is giving them no choice but piracyApr 08 20:41
Balrog(though the forum was slashdotted last time I checked)Apr 08 20:42
wispygalaxysuing the fans is such a good idea!!  /sarcasmApr 08 20:42
Balrogthe fans are angry, the redistributors are angryApr 08 20:42
Balroghttp://www.enworld.org/forum/general...Apr 08 20:43
Balrogcheck it out when it's no longer down ;)Apr 08 20:43
wispygalaxywhy can't people share and stop worring about what belongs to them?!Apr 08 20:43
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Balrogthe main problem here is that what WotC is doing is self-defeating. By removing PDF's more people will have to 'pirate'Apr 08 20:43
wispygalaxyplease stop being obsessed with how intellectual property only belongs to you and *no one* elseApr 08 20:43
wispygalaxyyes that's sad balrog :(Apr 08 20:44
wispygalaxyoh i didn't check the forums yetApr 08 20:44
Balrogdon't. they're downApr 08 20:44
Balrogwait several hoursApr 08 20:44
wispygalaxycool, i'll check it out laterApr 08 20:45
Balrogschestowitz: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/new...Apr 08 20:45
wispygalaxythanks for the link. balrogApr 08 20:46
wispygalaxyi think creative commons is the way to goApr 08 20:47
wispygalaxyreleasing under CC shows that you aren't money-hungry and care about the art; you want to share itApr 08 20:48
Balrogin most cases. Commercial copying is problematic though :/Apr 08 20:48
Balrog(and it will happen, even with CC)Apr 08 20:48
wispygalaxygood pointApr 08 20:49
Balrogthe line between commercial and non-commercial needs to be better definedApr 08 20:49
Balrogis a torrent tracker that makes $1000s 'commercial'?Apr 08 20:49
wispygalaxyi learned about a case that deals with that, balrog, in my law classApr 08 20:50
wispygalaxyi forget the name, thoughApr 08 20:50
schestowitzRIAA can't compete with CCApr 08 20:51
wispygalaxypeople should understand that once they create a digital product, it is hard to control who has possession of it.  it's not tangibleApr 08 20:51
schestowitzI listen to RIAA-free tracks these days, every day. Apr 08 20:51
wispygalaxyyay :DApr 08 20:51
wispygalaxyyou show them, roy!Apr 08 20:51
NeonFlossCC ftwApr 08 20:51
NeonFlossyou guys notice freemusicarchive.org?Apr 08 20:52
wispygalaxymy friend's name is CC haha, btwApr 08 20:52
wispygalaxythx for the site, NFApr 08 20:52
NeonFlossnpApr 08 20:53
schestowitzhere's 6gb of music for you. http://sites.google.com/site/sx...Apr 08 20:53
schestowitzSeed it tooApr 08 20:53
schestowitzTo gives exposure to the singersApr 08 20:53
wispygalaxyawesomeApr 08 20:53
NeonFlosswispygalaxy: http://www.blogpirate.org/2009/0...Apr 08 20:53
*schestowitz looksApr 08 20:54
wispygalaxygood siteApr 08 20:54
schestowitzNeonFloss: nice new site designApr 08 20:54
wispygalaxymy sister wanted to start a punk band, lol.  but then she became a hipsterApr 08 20:54
NeonFlossyeaApr 08 20:54
wispygalaxyshe still likes punk musicApr 08 20:54
NeonFlossit was down for a whileApr 08 20:54
NeonFlosswe are eventually going to make our own themeApr 08 20:55
schestowitzNo megafiles for mass downloads ...Apr 08 20:55
NeonFlosson FMA?Apr 08 20:56
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mib_ieydxthelloApr 08 20:56
NeonFlossyea, I think they should add bittorent links - would save them bandwith tooApr 08 20:56
NeonFlosshelloApr 08 20:56
wispygalaxyhi there :DApr 08 20:56


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