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| iwmw | it found 4 trojans | Apr 08 14:20 |
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| iwmw | but they couldn't work | Apr 08 14:20 |
| schestowitz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bug... | Apr 08 14:20 |
| oiaohm | You are more likely to have your system cracked through a service. | Apr 08 14:20 |
| Eruaran | ClarkConnect has antivirus for email and other things that could hurt the fragile Windows systems under its care | Apr 08 14:21 |
| oiaohm | selinux smack and tomoyo take up the role of keep problems out. | Apr 08 14:21 |
| iwmw | 1 downloader trojan was started but was blocked by firewall | Apr 08 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Virus scanning companies are working on adding a real-time scanning framework to linux as well. | Apr 08 14:22 |
| iwmw | Eruaran: there are always ways to bypass an antivirus | Apr 08 14:22 |
| oiaohm | I am not sure how much usage that is going to get. | Apr 08 14:22 |
| iwmw | like 1%? | Apr 08 14:22 |
| Eruaran | indeed | Apr 08 14:22 |
| Eruaran | we leave it off... | Apr 08 14:22 |
| Eruaran | We have files on our server the antivirus will delete and we don't want it to ;) | Apr 08 14:23 |
| iwmw | haha.. trojan spreaders | Apr 08 14:23 |
| Eruaran | cracks and things | Apr 08 14:23 |
| iwmw | yeah, cracks are good... especially those with mods inside | Apr 08 14:24 |
| Eruaran | we have to crack Windows regularly | Apr 08 14:24 |
| Eruaran | Someone installs Windows Media Player and it requires the user to validate Windows again | Apr 08 14:25 |
| Eruaran | And then it throws up a false positive | Apr 08 14:25 |
| Eruaran | And the user is locked out of their system | Apr 08 14:25 |
| Eruaran | Not a good way of keeping your users | Apr 08 14:28 |
| Eruaran | This is exactly why a customer wants me to install GNU/Linux on his system tomorrow | Apr 08 14:28 |
| iwmw | why would anyone possibly want to install wmp? | Apr 08 14:28 |
| Eruaran | just an example | Apr 08 14:28 |
| trmanco | I don't get it, why do people like evolution so much? | Apr 08 14:28 |
| oiaohm | It can be anything. | Apr 08 14:28 |
| oiaohm | I have had installing a printer driver set the wga off somehow. | Apr 08 14:29 |
| Eruaran | It could be Microsoft Office for example | Apr 08 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Even that it should not. | Apr 08 14:29 |
| Eruaran | It checks | Apr 08 14:29 |
| Eruaran | wga now checks if Office is valid also | Apr 08 14:30 |
| oiaohm | You are running WSUS | Apr 08 14:30 |
| Eruaran | We've noticed more wga false positives recently | Apr 08 14:30 |
| oiaohm | I have found that reduces WGA set offs. | Apr 08 14:30 |
| Eruaran | I don't care really | Apr 08 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Ok not 100 percent removes them. | Apr 08 14:31 |
| Eruaran | Its a good wakeup call to users | Apr 08 14:31 |
| Eruaran | Of the perils of giving control of your PC over to Microsoft | Apr 08 14:31 |
| Eruaran | I should put up a big picture of Sweaty Ballmer with a sign under it saying, "Would you let this person use your computer ?" | Apr 08 14:32 |
| oiaohm | And ms will take that and put some unknown guy as the example for Linux. | Apr 08 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Even that its not true. | Apr 08 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Most open source projects have really good tracking of who provides what. | Apr 08 14:34 |
| Eruaran | Free Hugs... Linux | Apr 08 14:34 |
| Eruaran | Hugs $10... Windows | Apr 08 14:34 |
| schestowitz | heh. that video... | Apr 08 14:36 |
| iwmw | Eruaran: make that picture and spread it XD | Apr 08 14:37 |
| Eruaran | I love that vid | Apr 08 14:37 |
| Eruaran | You could just take that snippet of the clip and it would make a great 10 second ad | Apr 08 14:38 |
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| iwmw | which vid? | Apr 08 14:44 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Apr 08 14:58 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img258.imageshack.us/img2... | Apr 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | booted in 19.6 seconds | Apr 08 15:26 |
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| iwmw | how did you build that bootchart? | Apr 08 15:34 |
| iwmw | so sane chart... | Apr 08 15:34 |
| MinceR | there's a bootchart utility | Apr 08 15:34 |
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| iwmw | so sane chart... | Apr 08 15:35 |
| iwmw | how did you build that bootchart? | Apr 08 15:35 |
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| iwmw | DaemonFC: | Apr 08 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | pybootchartgui and bootchart | Apr 08 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | it drops a PNG in /var/log/bootchart | Apr 08 15:36 |
| iwmw | nice | Apr 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: I've just gotten my ACK from EBoA | Apr 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | 20 seconds is what Phoronix said too | Apr 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Fedora claims 11 seconds, IIRC. | Apr 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe Fedora 11 is what has me misremembering. | Apr 08 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: XFS and Ext4 essentially tie | Apr 08 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | they're within 2 seconds of each other | Apr 08 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | you could rerun the bootchart and the other one might win :P | Apr 08 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | but even Ext3 was only 3 seconds behind them | Apr 08 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | so it doesn't make all that much difference in boot up time | Apr 08 15:41 |
| iwmw | what about ext2? | Apr 08 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | some sites are saying it can take off 10 seconds, it won't | Apr 08 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | didn't try Ext2 | Apr 08 15:42 |
| iwmw | what's the need for ext3 over ext2? | Apr 08 15:42 |
| iwmw | i know... journaling... but how much is that need? | Apr 08 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | there's a few minor differences other than journaling | Apr 08 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | journaling alone is worth it though | Apr 08 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | just so you don't spend hours checking the disk after a crash | Apr 08 15:44 |
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| DaemonFC | I may end up rebuilding the kernel :P | Apr 08 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | just to snag one file from 2.6.30-rc1 | Apr 08 15:48 |
| iwmw | i may end up installing some distro that likes manually built kernels... | Apr 08 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | you have to kill some stuff of in Ubuntu before it takes a custom kernel | Apr 08 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | *off | Apr 08 16:00 |
| iwmw | what about mandriva? | Apr 08 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | should work | Apr 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | haven't tried it though | Apr 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva is garbage | Apr 08 16:01 |
| iwmw | why? | Apr 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | there's always a lot of bugs that only happen on Mandriva | Apr 08 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | that only show themselves if you piss it off in precisely the right way | Apr 08 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 08 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes the installer has a bug and you can't even get it to install | Apr 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | they don't do good QA | Apr 08 16:03 |
| iwmw | QA? | Apr 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | at least Ubuntu will probably boot up :P | Apr 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | quality assurance | Apr 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva is great | Apr 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | The .1 releases are very solid | Apr 08 16:04 |
| iwmw | .0 are usually not that good | Apr 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | I haven't tried | Apr 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | I heard from Beranger when he told me the usual spiel/rant | Apr 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | he's back with Linux it seems.. | Apr 08 16:05 |
| iwmw | gonna try debian5, does it like custom kernels? | Apr 08 16:05 |
| schestowitz | He's like DaemonFC -- always ranting about something he cares about | Apr 08 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | must be why the installer hangs | Apr 08 16:06 |
| MinceR | is he as clueless as DaemonFC :> | Apr 08 16:06 |
| MinceR | ? | Apr 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva 2009.1 RC2, the installer hangs before it can install the bootloader | Apr 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | and the kernel will panic | Apr 08 16:06 |
| MinceR | well, it's a release candidate | Apr 08 16:07 |
| iwmw | rc1 was good | Apr 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, so I installed from an RC 1 disc | Apr 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | and upgraded | Apr 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | and Compiz is still broken | Apr 08 16:07 |
| iwmw | heh... they've got month until internal release | Apr 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | 2009 just fails to boot | Apr 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | unless I accept the upgrades at the end of the install | Apr 08 16:08 |
| iwmw | on my side it didn't even find sata disks in ide emulation mode | Apr 08 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | the stuff off the CD just kernel panics right after grub exits | Apr 08 16:09 |
| iwmw | some distros found disks but failed to run x | Apr 08 16:09 |
| iwmw | then i understood that i better use ahci | Apr 08 16:09 |
| iwmw | and 2009.1rc1 installed like a charm | Apr 08 16:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: corny headline: Hungary Hungry for Open Source < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/h... > | Apr 08 16:11 |
| balzac | nice one | Apr 08 16:11 |
| MinceR | ow | Apr 08 16:11 |
| balzac | Turkey Gobbles Free Software | Apr 08 16:11 |
| iwmw | ooh, ti.com looks like linuxjournal.com | Apr 08 16:12 |
| schestowitz | TI is downsizing | Apr 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | And increasingly supporting Linux | Apr 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | besides schestowitz, if you love Mandriva, you must love Mono | Apr 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | it ships with about enough of it | Apr 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | including Beagle | Apr 08 16:13 |
| *iwmw hates beagle | Apr 08 16:14 | |
| trmanco | kde with mono? | Apr 08 16:14 |
| iwmw | schestowitz: but it takes some third-party linux (montavista) | Apr 08 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | no, the GNOME version uses Beagle Desktop Search | Apr 08 16:14 |
| iwmw | and they provide only demo version of it with their hardware | Apr 08 16:15 |
| trmanco | ... | Apr 08 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Civil liberties are being trashed. It's Mussolistalin all over again... Groups Warn New Cybersecurity Bill Oversteps < http://www.internetnews.com/inf... > | Apr 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, KDE | Apr 08 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | KDE is garbage | Apr 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | I also pressured them to drop it off OOo | Apr 08 15:56 |
| MinceR | didn't Mandriva start as "Red Hat, but with KDE"? | Apr 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: KDE is great | Apr 08 15:56 |
| MinceR | KDE rules | Apr 08 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | KDE was great | Apr 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: something like that | Apr 08 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | now it's bloated crap that wishes it was Vista | Apr 08 15:56 |
| iwmw | beagle is kde app | Apr 08 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 08 15:57 |
| *MinceR replaces DaemonFC's kde with twm | Apr 08 15:57 | |
| DaemonFC | that's Kerry Beagle | Apr 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | I use 3.5 and will be using it until KDE 4.3/4 when it's mature and very reliable | Apr 08 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Beagle is for GNOME | Apr 08 15:57 |
| MinceR | i'm on 3.5.8 and i'm planning to switch to 4.2 | Apr 08 15:57 |
| iwmw | beagle is both gnome and kde friendly | Apr 08 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu defaults to Tracker | Apr 08 15:57 |
| trmanco | tracker sucks | Apr 08 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | you can replace Beagle with Tracker on Mandriva easily enough though | Apr 08 15:58 |
| schestowitz | I use recoil | Apr 08 15:58 |
| iwmw | i switch beagle off right before or after installation | Apr 08 15:58 |
| trmanco | I don't use search tools... | Apr 08 15:58 |
| MinceR | i use slocate ^_^ | Apr 08 15:58 |
| iwmw | i seriously don't get what's the reason to use tools like beagle | Apr 08 15:58 |
| MinceR | i'm waiting for a dynamic indexer that lets me search in filenames | Apr 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | (not just filenames and content) | Apr 08 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | Problem: Search is too slow Solution: Lets thrash the disk exactly whenever and index and log everything from every program the user could possibly open | Apr 08 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 08 15:59 |
| iwmw | MinceR: you're dreaming | Apr 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | afaik tracker's kioslave could do it | Apr 08 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | Search indexing sucks on jsut about any OS | Apr 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | but it was pre-1.0 when i last checked | Apr 08 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | but Beagle is like "God damn!" | Apr 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | so i didn't switch yet | Apr 08 16:00 |
| trmanco | people can remove mono spyware now when Gnote goes stable | Apr 08 16:00 |
| trmanco | from Ubuntu | Apr 08 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | Mono is not spyware | Apr 08 16:01 |
| trmanco | then it's crapware | Apr 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | show me your proof that Mono is spying on you | Apr 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | and who it is reporting to | Apr 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | and what it's sending | Apr 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | I assume you have logs? | Apr 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | cause you've uncovered a major scandal | Apr 08 16:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm sure everyone would like to hear about it | Apr 08 16:02 |
| trmanco | I'm not going to bother to look at the source code | Apr 08 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh right, so baseless accusation | Apr 08 16:02 |
| trmanco | it's just me saying | Apr 08 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh right, so baseless accusation | Apr 08 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 08 16:02 |
| trmanco | DaemonFC, you're a mono dev, right? | Apr 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | oh right, so baseless accusation | Apr 08 16:03 |
| MinceR | i think he's stuck on that line | Apr 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | why not? | Apr 08 16:03 |
| trmanco | MinceR, mono crash | Apr 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | he won't answer | Apr 08 16:03 |
| MinceR | trmanco: ic | Apr 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | he's just taking swipes at me | Apr 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | what an idiot | Apr 08 16:03 |
| trmanco | tomboy should have been written in c++ in the first place | Apr 08 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Don't worry about proof, don't think about the fact that the source is open and there's lots of people that jsut hate mono and would love nothing more than for it to actually be spyware so they could expose it | Apr 08 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | just baselessly accuse | Apr 08 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | it'll all work out | Apr 08 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 08 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Don't worry, Detective Dipshit is on the case | Apr 08 16:05 |
| MinceR | i didn't know that was your real name | Apr 08 16:05 |
| trmanco | prepare for the Mono boom | Apr 08 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing wrong with mono | Apr 08 16:05 |
| trmanco | something isn't right, something it going to explode | Apr 08 16:05 |
| MinceR | except for the whole patent trap | Apr 08 16:06 |
| trmanco | yes there is | Apr 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | you can make bad software in C++ too | Apr 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | look at Firefox | Apr 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | there is no patent trap in mono | Apr 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | unless you're shipping the non-standard bits | Apr 08 16:06 |
| trmanco | DaemonFC, I see, for you, almost everything is bad software, except for c# based software... hmmm | Apr 08 16:06 |
| MinceR | don't worry, they won't sue you even if you aren't a novell customer, exactly like they didn't sue tomtom | Apr 08 16:06 |
| trmanco | you even hate the kernel | Apr 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | they can't | Apr 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | C# is a standard | Apr 08 16:07 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 08 16:07 |
| MinceR | that makes it all right, doesn't it? | Apr 08 16:07 |
| trmanco | better right some crappy kernel written in c# | Apr 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | well, C is the property of AT&T | Apr 08 16:07 |
| trmanco | write* | Apr 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | as much as C# is Microsoft's | Apr 08 16:07 |
| MinceR | C has nothing to do with C# | Apr 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | C belonged to AT&T | Apr 08 16:07 |
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| MinceR | AT&T isn't trying to take over the world like m$ is | Apr 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | GNU cloned it while AT&T still owned it | Apr 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | so C is bad right? | Apr 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | since it infringes | Apr 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | they were | Apr 08 16:08 |
| MinceR | does AT&T own patents on it? | Apr 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | you don't remember USL, do you? | Apr 08 16:08 |
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| MinceR | nope | Apr 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | they were worse than Microsoft | Apr 08 16:08 |
| MinceR | note past tense | Apr 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, the government DID do something about them | Apr 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | The connection went wonky | Apr 08 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | but my point is that C# now is no worse than C was then | Apr 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Lost for a few minutes | Apr 08 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | C was a patented language when GNU stole it | Apr 08 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | and reimplemented it | Apr 08 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | why weren'tthey sued? | Apr 08 16:09 |
| MinceR | there's a question you haven't answered | Apr 08 16:09 |
| MinceR | 173743 < MinceR> does AT&T own patents on it? | Apr 08 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | maybe cause C was an ISO/ANSI/IEC standard? | Apr 08 16:09 |
| trmanco | how can we steal a language? | Apr 08 16:10 |
| MinceR | iso isn't what it used to be | Apr 08 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | just like C# is | Apr 08 16:10 |
| MinceR | since m$ bought it | Apr 08 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/w... | Apr 08 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't ship that part of Mono, you should be fine | Apr 08 16:11 |
| MinceR | i see, you don't know if AT&T owns patents on C | Apr 08 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing wrong with supporting programming languages | Apr 08 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | even Richard Stallman said we should have C# support | Apr 08 16:11 |
| MinceR | except that you can't support C# completely without the VM? | Apr 08 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DotGNU | Apr 08 16:11 |
| MinceR | when did he say that? | Apr 08 16:11 |
| MinceR | dotgnu is dead | Apr 08 16:12 |
| MinceR | i wonder why | Apr 08 16:12 |
| MinceR | also, we were discussing mono, not c# | Apr 08 16:12 |
| MinceR | and not dotgnu | Apr 08 16:12 |
| trmanco | "Microsoft has declared itself our enemy and we know that Microsoft is getting patents on some features of C#. So I think it's dangerous to use C#, and it may be dangerous to use Mono." | Apr 08 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | probably cause Mono is better | Apr 08 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | dotgnu was implementing C# | Apr 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | jsut like Mono | Apr 08 16:13 |
| MinceR | i see, you're militantly unaware of your environment | Apr 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing wrong with Mono | Apr 08 16:13 |
| MinceR | keep telling yourself that | Apr 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | you' | Apr 08 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | you're just a clueless jerk with an irrational hatred of Americans | Apr 08 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's your problem | Apr 08 16:14 |
| MinceR | you're just a brainless idiot | Apr 08 16:14 |
| trmanco | ... | Apr 08 16:14 |
| MinceR | with blind faith in the worst megacorps around | Apr 08 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | you don't know how anything works | Apr 08 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | you just point fingers | Apr 08 16:14 |
| MinceR | you don't know what you're talking about | Apr 08 16:14 |
| MinceR | you just keep spewing nonsense | Apr 08 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | that is what you are doing | Apr 08 16:15 |
| MinceR | when you're proven wrong, you just change the subject | Apr 08 16:15 |
| MinceR | and then you bring up the same stupid shit every day | Apr 08 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | you are an irrational jerk | Apr 08 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | period | Apr 08 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | full stop | Apr 08 16:15 |
| MinceR | i think that's what we call "trolling" | Apr 08 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | well, I'm sure that the FSF has better lawyers than you ;) | Apr 08 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | so whatever | Apr 08 16:36 |
| MinceR | i'm not a lawyer | Apr 08 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | my point | Apr 08 16:36 |
| MinceR | you don't have a point | Apr 08 16:36 |
| MinceR | you've never proven a single word you've said | Apr 08 16:36 |
| MinceR | you've never responded to any counterarguments | Apr 08 16:36 |
| MinceR | you just keep saying the same things over and over again | Apr 08 16:36 |
| MinceR | changing the subject | Apr 08 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | they would never have reimplemented C# if their lawyers hadn't OK'd it | Apr 08 16:36 |
| MinceR | and trying to smear anyone who disagrees with you | Apr 08 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | you don't understand the legal mechanics | Apr 08 16:37 |
| MinceR | "they" being? | Apr 08 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | the FSF lawyers who gave the OK to do it | Apr 08 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | you're not a lawyer | Apr 08 16:38 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure the FSF lawyers didn't reimplement c# | Apr 08 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | they wouldn't have done it without getting legal advice first | Apr 08 16:38 |
| MinceR | considering that lawyers rarely implement programming languages | Apr 08 16:38 |
| MinceR | once again, who is "they"? | Apr 08 16:38 |
| MinceR | novell, dotgnu developers, or the tooth fairy? | Apr 08 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | ASP.NET, ADO.NET and Windows Forms are the only things Microsoft could sue over | Apr 08 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | and Mono does not ship with those by default | Apr 08 16:40 |
| MinceR | are you a lawyer? | Apr 08 16:40 |
| trmanco | ASP.NET and Windows Forms are in mono | Apr 08 16:40 |
| trmanco | don't know about ADO.NET | Apr 08 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | No they aren't | Apr 08 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | they are separate packages | Apr 08 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | Mono by default uses only the ECMA standardized portions of .Net | Apr 08 16:41 |
| MinceR | i'll interpret that as a "no" | Apr 08 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | ECMA-334 – C# Language Specification | Apr 08 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | ECMA-335 – Common Language Infrastructure (CLI) | Apr 08 16:42 |
| MinceR | next question: if you think that my arguments have no merit because i'm not a lawyer, what makes you think that yours do have merit even if you aren't a lawyer? | Apr 08 16:42 |
| MinceR | ecma standardizes anything they throw at them if money accompanies it | Apr 08 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | C# is an ISO and ECMA standard | Apr 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes, ECMA is corrupt | Apr 08 16:43 |
| trmanco | again | Apr 08 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | and they've already issued the covenant not to sue | Apr 08 16:43 |
| MinceR | even RAND is bullshit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_...) | Apr 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I am always amused by the mentioning of ECMA | Apr 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I think of Van der Fraudf | Apr 08 16:43 |
| trmanco | I've read that today about 4 times today | Apr 08 16:43 |
| MinceR | as i've mentioned already, iso was practically bought by m$ | Apr 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Now in CompTIA, a separate MS puppet | Apr 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | RAND is anti-FOSS | Apr 08 16:44 |
| schestowitz | It's not acceptable | Apr 08 16:44 |
| schestowitz | See Groklaw's article abotu RAND | Apr 08 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | not my fault that other countries elect corrupt officials | Apr 08 16:44 |
| MinceR | also, "covenant not to sue" is bullshit invented to screw everyone | Apr 08 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | your politicians sold you out, yes? | Apr 08 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | good for you | Apr 08 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | keep voting for them | Apr 08 16:44 |
| MinceR | serious standards are protected by _patent licenses_ that are _gratis_ | Apr 08 16:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: who else can we vote for? | Apr 08 16:45 |
| MinceR | once again you have no idea what you're talking about | Apr 08 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | if you wanted rid of your government officials that bad | Apr 08 16:45 |
| schestowitz | MS blames non-Redmond apps for security woes < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... > | Apr 08 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | they'd be gone | Apr 08 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Thrid party=malware devs? | Apr 08 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | you have the government you deserve | Apr 08 16:45 |
| MinceR | sure, because it only depends on me | Apr 08 16:45 |
| MinceR | not on the millions of idiots that surround me | Apr 08 16:45 |
| MinceR | who blindly believe any lie thrown their way | Apr 08 16:46 |
| MinceR | just like you do | Apr 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "you have the government you deserve"? Look who's talking | Apr 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | You hardly even have choice. | Apr 08 16:46 |
| trmanco | xPUD, the ultra-fast booting Linux flavour: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/x... | Apr 08 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | who cares? | Apr 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | White of vanilla white | Apr 08 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | I don't pay taxes to them | Apr 08 16:46 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: do you live in the usa? | Apr 08 16:46 |
| trmanco | comcast.net | Apr 08 16:46 |
| MinceR | i'm guessing yes | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Camcast are an MS puppet | Apr 08 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what happens | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Their favourite cable company | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | MS put billions in Comcast | Apr 08 16:47 |
| MinceR | that puts you in no position to talk shit about what governments are elected in other countries | Apr 08 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | cool | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Practically billions, and got things in return | Apr 08 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | like? | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Do a search in BN | Apr 08 16:47 |
| MinceR | even the hellhole i live in (hungary) is more free than the usa nowadays | Apr 08 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | tell yourself that | Apr 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks for the link | Apr 08 16:48 |
| MinceR | for example, we don't officially have sw patents | Apr 08 16:48 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, see the vid, blazing fast | Apr 08 16:48 |
| MinceR | yet | Apr 08 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | you will if your govt wants in on the WTO | Apr 08 16:48 |
| MinceR | we don't get our properties searched without warrants | Apr 08 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | and it will | Apr 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | The Germans fined SCO and now MS: Microsoft hit with €9m fine over German pricing < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/04... > | Apr 08 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It's against our constitution | Apr 08 16:48 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: yes, your government forces a lot of shit on us | Apr 08 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | for warrantless searches | Apr 08 16:49 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: guess who cares about your constitution in your government | Apr 08 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | so I believe you are mistaken | Apr 08 16:49 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and i believe you don't read enough news | Apr 08 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | the news with who's views? | Apr 08 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | anything to sell copies | Apr 08 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | and conflict sells copies | Apr 08 16:49 |
| MinceR | well, not fox news, i guess | Apr 08 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | I don't pay attention to those assholes | Apr 08 16:50 |
| MinceR | "that's crazy! the government doesn't lie to people!" | Apr 08 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | well, you'll believe your delusions no matter what I say | Apr 08 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | you're dead set on hating people | Apr 08 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | your loss | Apr 08 16:51 |
| MinceR | you should be telling yourself that | Apr 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... "LuckySploit, which was hidden behind an invisible iFrame on the website, was detected by web security services firm ScanSafe on Saturday 5 April at around 12:3opm GMT. The malware toolkit uses browser exploits in an attempt to load banking Trojans onto visiting surfers' Windows PCs." | Apr 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | <DaemonFC> "you're dead set on hating people" | Apr 08 16:53 |
| schestowitz | hehe. hypocrite. | Apr 08 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Apr 08 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | I don't hate MinceR, he just needs to eat some prunes, maybe some ex-lax | Apr 08 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | he'll be fine | Apr 08 16:54 |
| MinceR | and you just need to get a brain | Apr 08 16:55 |
| MinceR | and you'll be fine | Apr 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Google pours Java on code cloud < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... > | Apr 08 16:56 |
| schestowitz | IDC forms partnership, says NZ telecoms industry ‘at a crossroads’ < http://www.itwire.com/con... > IDC gets payola | Apr 08 16:59 |
| schestowitz | When analysis is SOLD, where is the trust? | Apr 08 17:00 |
| MinceR | in the mind of fools like DaemonFC :> | Apr 08 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | so Microsoft actually doesn't own any of Comcast | Apr 08 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | they never owned any significant part of them anyway | Apr 08 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Apr 08 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast ditched Microsoft's cable box software in 2007, and Microsoft sold all of its shares of Comcast by January of this year | Apr 08 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | hardly sounds like a glowing friendship to me | Apr 08 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | but hey, if you're paranoid | Apr 08 17:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: since you asked, hold on. | Apr 08 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.seattlepi.com/business... | Apr 08 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-138... | Apr 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09... | Apr 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | More on Camcast: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/... | Apr 08 17:04 |
| PeterKraus | haha, i'm reading about the Google - AP thing | Apr 08 17:05 |
| PeterKraus | gosh. | Apr 08 17:05 |
| PeterKraus | one has to facepalm | Apr 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | The zombie is at it again: Murdoch Says Newspapers Must Charge For Online Content < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0... > | Apr 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | They want to backtrack to good ol' days | Apr 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Let's also run back to punch cards and pay for CPU cycles. | Apr 08 17:06 |
| PeterKraus | :) | Apr 08 17:07 |
| PeterKraus | it's this old backwards thinking | Apr 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | That was fast: OOo 3.1 already in release candidate stage: New: OpenOffice.org 3.1.0 Release Candidate 1 (build OOO310_m9) available < http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/en... > | Apr 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | PeterKraus: they try t shore up dying biz model | Apr 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | MS too | Apr 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | They sell Windows for pretty much 0$ on 'small laptops' | Apr 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | So now, who would buy a laptop for 5 times the cost AND also PAY for Windows, when it's actually free on the other cheaper laptops? | Apr 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was just too desperate to injore linux | Apr 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | *injure | Apr 08 17:09 |
| PeterKraus | it worked, partially | Apr 08 17:10 |
| PeterKraus | well | Apr 08 17:10 |
| PeterKraus | not that it injured linux | Apr 08 17:10 |
| schestowitz | under no circumstances lose to linux: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/... | Apr 08 17:10 |
| PeterKraus | it just pointed at it's weaknessess | Apr 08 17:10 |
| *DaemonFC sets up schestowitz's system to dual boot OpenSuse with Windows 7 Beta | Apr 08 17:10 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 08 17:10 |
| PeterKraus | DaemonFC: that's not a dual boot | Apr 08 17:10 |
| PeterKraus | :P | Apr 08 17:10 |
| schestowitz | I have some opensuse CDs | Apr 08 17:10 |
| schestowitz | PeterKraus: it's Windows morhping | Apr 08 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Mono/.NET | Apr 08 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | no, Suse is a joke | Apr 08 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | if you want Windows compatibility, you'll buy Windows | Apr 08 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | not some cheap knock off that's half-compatible | Apr 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Boot into Mono-based or... | Apr 08 17:11 |
| PeterKraus | i don't buy windows | Apr 08 17:11 |
| PeterKraus | i download it off torrents | Apr 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Well, even Microsoft DOESN'T use .NET | Apr 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | In Vista, they didn't use .NET | Apr 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Talk about rejecting one's own meal. | Apr 08 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | why would you torrent it? | Apr 08 17:12 |
| PeterKraus | it's faster than going to the shop and buying it | Apr 08 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | all it takes is one update to torpedo your crack | Apr 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | For play./ | Apr 08 17:12 |
| MinceR | better disable updates then | Apr 08 17:12 |
| PeterKraus | yeah | Apr 08 17:12 |
| MinceR | m$ doesn't deserve the money anyway | Apr 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Won't work | Apr 08 17:12 |
| PeterKraus | it does | Apr 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Windows ignored those settings | Apr 08 17:12 |
| MinceR | block them on the firewall | Apr 08 17:12 |
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| PeterKraus | i'm running skype that way | Apr 08 17:12 |
