THIS morning we wrote about the GIMP being removed by Canonical, as expected. It may seem unimportant, but it is still being covered for a variety of reasons, not just the Mono problem it is causing. The GIMP is not without flaws and as this new article shows, it is not the only option, either. But the reasoning provided by Canonical (a former Microsoft employee to be more specific) are unconvincing. We never "bought" the rationale put forth and those who defended the move tend to be proponents of Mono such as the following blogger who writes:
You may have started to hear rumors that The GIMP and F-Spot aren't safe for inclusion in 10.04 Lucid Lynx. "What?!?" you say. "The GIMP has been in every GNOME distribution since GNOME existed (sinceGNOME is written to GTK, which stands for the GIMP ToolKit)." Well, well. Good idea. Not likely to move forward.
Mono sinks its claws into Fedora
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In June this year, the Fedora project announced that it had decided to get rid of Tomboy, a note-taking application dependent on Mono and replace it with Gnote, a port of Tomboy in C++/Gtkmm released by former Novell developer Hubert Figuiere.
Earlier this year, when Microsoft made what appeared to be a promise not to sue those who implemented the ECMA-covered parts of .NET, de Icaza admitted that he had been developing parts of .NET which were not covered by the specification, even though he had been developing Mono for nearly eight years.
--Bob Muglia, Microsoft President
Comments
williami
2009-11-21 05:08:56
finalzone
2009-11-21 07:00:55
Needs Sunlight
2009-11-21 09:10:48
I have confidence in Red Hat in general, the management there has made good decisions often.
However, Fedora is to Red Hat what testing and stable are to Debian. Fedora is showing signs of Microsoft style cognitive dissonance. Take the recent package exploit that was not only intentionally added, but made it through testing and into the release. Granted it was fixed quickly after it was brought into the daylight by a user, but it is a sign of some very, very serious wrong doing that someone even tried to put it in the distro.
Just because a Microsofter 'volunteers' to help doesn't mean they are ever going to help. That belief would be inexcusably naive to the point of criminal negligence. It looks like it works for distros like Debian and Ubuntu just as well as for conferences: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/plex_2456.pdf
Cleaning up Debian and Ubuntu now will save a lot of cost later.
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing." "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. "
finalzone
2009-11-21 11:40:45
I doubt it was intentional. What happened was that change was included as feature but it was invisible due the fact test version of Fedora does not enable -->signed keys<-- by default. I don't see it as problem due to fact you still need root password when you install unsigned package or package outside trusted repositories (in this case Fedora repository), and remote user control is disabled by default. What is probably missing is a dialogue that let decide user to keep authentication or not. I can tell you that having testing the case when the whole topic started.
Should you have multiple users, then it is the job of administrator to make sure to set rules.
finalzone
2009-11-21 12:25:24
Depend because some Fedora features are coming from Red Hat Enterprise Linux like Power Management. By that logic, Red Hat Enterprise can be a test bed for Fedora and similar case can be also apply for Ubuntu->Debian. =)
"Fedora is showing signs of Microsoft style cognitive dissonance. "
It is a wrong assumption because the case was related to signed package from trusted repository (in this case Fedora or added repository on which you have already imported key). You still need root password when you install unsigned packages or those outside trusted repositories.
"Take the recent package exploit that was not only intentionally added, but made it through testing and into the release."
Actually it is not an exploit, that feature was available on Fedora 12 Beta that has unsigned package by default. As expected the policy from PackageKit still requires root password for that scenario. For example, I still need root password to install RPM Fusion repository package and after I chose to import GPG Key from that repository for the first time.
The policy from Packagekit is not that bad some people make out to be, it is very similar to Ubuntu. It only needs to be modified for multiple users case.
Roy Schestowitz
2009-11-21 10:04:09
finalzone
2009-11-21 12:28:21
Roy Schestowitz
2009-11-21 12:37:10
your_friend
2009-11-21 16:04:22
The article link to Photoshop alternatives on Windows was a depressing read that exemplifies the ignorance problem. The author rightly praises GIMP but is so terribly constrained by Windows that workarounds are presented as virtues. They sort of understand the idea of having many applications where each does something specific very well and present choices of applications this way. There are very few choices, however, and none of them communicate very well. All of them have to live within Windows' pathetic multitasking limitations. The author understands that GIMP is an excellent image manipulation program but also expects it to be a window manager, a file manager, a snapshot tool, a quick and dirty red eye removal tools, a photo organizer and everything else all at once. This is why they quickly redo the interface to a single large screen with child windows constrained to the "main" window. Non free software will always awkward be this way because one program can't trust another for anything and Windows may never develop a decent multipaged GUI. The author complains about interface awkwardness that springs from this confusion of purpose and vaguely hints that Mac does things differently but he has no real GUI clue. Windows can only handle three or four applications before the interface and subsystems are overwhelmed. Users seek to put all of their tools into large containers boxes which they carefully take out three or four at a time. What a limiting mess.
Free software users are spoiled with a fantastic array of excellent tools and a much better subsystem. I'm happily writing this with a load no Microsoft OS could deal with, 50 browser tabs, 9 virtual desktops easily accessed by edge flipping, pidgin, kontact, several terminals and other odds and ends. I could dedicate another dozen desktops for serious imaging work, which requires interaction between several tools like web browsers and html editors to get the desired, final result. File drag and drop works across almost all of my tools and I could make my image occupy as many desktops as I want. Microsoft's task bar presentation would be unusable with 1/10th the load and my computer would be be effectively frozen on the same hardware, an 800 MHz processor, 512 MB RAM and 1024x768 screen. Throwing ten times the computer at Windows might double my screen real estate but it won't solve the task bar, performance and stability problems. Free software gives me place keeping, stability and multitasking that real work requires.
The BN replacement page is a good starting point but the free software way is not about replacement so much as it is about coexistence, exploration and organic growth. The useful links section on the Debian GIMP package page starts to give an idea of the tools you can get on GNU/Linux. These lead to the wickedly powerful nip, ImageMagick, and more pedestrian gpaint and kolourpaint. Each of those pages has links to other similar tools and specialty tools, like viewers, and search tools are quickly encountered. The same path of exploration is open to all of the mono replacement software. Software grows like that when you have freedom. It is a shame that Microsoft has ported exclusivity to free software with Mono and it is perverse that the only solution to legal threats is avoidance and exclusion.
Roy Schestowitz
2009-11-21 16:21:29
your_friend
2009-11-21 19:33:09
Roy Schestowitz
2009-11-21 20:04:47
My Family Photos - and ODF
"I was staying with my parents a few years ago, and looking through a shoe box of old family photos. It was great, I was really enjoying them - until it occurred to me most of the photos were singletons. That is, they were the only copies. On earth. And of at least one individual from my family's past, there were only two or three photographs in existence. Yipes.
"A shoe box, I thought. How archaic, right? What if there were a flood, or heaven forbid, a fire? These are photographs I want to share with my family, and to pass along for generations. I want my children to know their history. And their children and their children.
"So I did what any good son would do, I convinced my parents to let me abscond with the box, I returned home, and I scanned the photos (and returned the box)."
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/microsoft_vista_microsoft_office_and