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Re: Not switching to RPM, don't worry!

Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> OK. I'm not suggesting we ever even consider switching unless there
> is a 1:1 parity in system functionality and you can continue to use
> the tools you're used to.
> 
> I suspect that given enough time the differences in functionality
> between the various package systems may become very small.

Can't we quicken this process setting up a "shared" (and closed) 
mailing list Debian-RedHat to discuss and debate about our 
differencies both for technical and policy?

I suspect that most differencies has "historical" reasons and could 
be solved with little effort.

I also think that a smarter "buildpackage" utility (a la new-debstd) 
plus the ability to install partially a package (which Ian has 
promised) could let the same package install differently on a Debian 
or Red Hat system (to solve the init/rc problem).


>         All free software - others sort of try to look like they are
>         all free software, but we're the only ones who really do it.
>         We can lose this one if we loosen our policies on what we
>         accept, so let's not do that.

I would like to propose a change in our policy here: let only 
packages in the system (stable) install under /usr, and install 
non-free and contrib under /opt . 
Such a decision shouldn't hurt RH's use of distributing everything, 
and our Free SW nature.
It also doesn't break FHS and would make happy some of us.


> 
>         Non-profit organization - well, there's always FSF, but we
>         seem to be better at producing a product than they are.
>         I doubt any other non-profit would try to replace us unless
>         something really bad happened to Debian.

What packaging system uses (or will use) GNU for their hurd based 
system? Do they plan to build a new one or are willing to use dpkg?


>         Connections - people are publishing books on the commercial
>         systems rather than just Linux. So far we don't have that
>         kind of connections. This is something we should work on.

Maybe none of us will have time (and skills) to write a full book 
about Debian; maybe we can organize a book written by a hundred 
hands (and revisited by a professional writer).
Each of us could write a paragraph about what he knows better.
It shouldn't be impossible to convince Tim O'Reilly to publish it.


Comments?

fabrizio
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