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Re: Results of "social contract" survey

sanvila@unex.es (Santiago Vila Doncel)  wrote on 12.06.97 in <Pine.LNX.3.96.970612114214.1397A-100000@cantor.unex.es>:

> On 11 Jun 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote:
>
> > > Freedom is more important than trace-ability.
> >
> > This is a false dichotomy.
>
> Could you please elaborate on this?

I already did, in the rest of that mail. It's not true that you can only  
have one or the other.

> Neither do I, but we can easily confuse things here. Authors can say:
>
> a) You can not modify this, you can only provide patches.
> b) You can modify this, as long as it is clear which exactly did you
> change.
>
> IMHO, b) should not imply a) and a) is too much restrictive to be
> considered "free".

IMHO, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a, and this has absolutely no  
bearings on its freeness.

> > Now, we can certainly talk about which ways of handling will best achieve
> > this, but I suspect the best way really _is_ keeping the unchanged
> > original sources around.
>
> I agree, the best way, *in general*, is to keep the original sources
> unchanged. But we should not force everybody else to do the same.

*We* are not forcing anybody to do it. The author does. *We* should not be  
forcing the author not to use what's the best method. That would just be  
stupid.

> This is like limiting the amount that may be charged for a free software
> program. There is no need to limit that, because the sole fact that it is
> available everywhere by FTP makes it difficult to sell it by 1.000.000$.

I don't see any similarity there.

> Trace-ability is a good thing, but we should keep the freedom of
> choice among the several ways to do it.

We should especially keep that freedom for the authors.


MfG Kai


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