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Re: open hardware certification document: second pass

From: Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net>
> For some reason this sentance evokes the image of an AMD mother board with
> an Intel P-133, PCI video card, Adaptec SCSI controler, and a 13.3 modem,
> with, or without the 17 inch monitor, IDE and SCSI hard drives.
> 
> If the video card and the controler are "Open Hardware", can I sell this
> machine with the label "Open Hardware Inside"? At what level does this
> happen? Is the video card enough, or does it have to be every "major"
> component, with some well defined specification on "major"?

I haven't really thought about extending the specification to systems
rather than discrete devices. Sample text would be welcome.

> Lawyers like to read "or==and"...in any case, "one or more" is ambiguous.
> Is it "at least one", or "at least two" of the following?

Changed wording to "at lest one".

> Handling should be points against selling price, and small.

Removed handling fee. Let them pay it or use one of the other methods.

> If "4", above, is "at least one", then the devices found in "built"
> machines are unlikely to have their documentation.

Deleted that provision.

> The form seems overly complex. You aren't going to be able to hold the
> manufacturer to any of the above terms without his consent.

We are licensing the manufacturer to use a trademark, and fulfilling
the conditions for acceptance are part of the terms of the license.
So we have some legal clout. I will continue to develop the form.

	
	Thanks

	Bruce
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