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Re: gated

> On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> > From: Shaya Potter <spotter@itd.nrl.navy.mil>
> > > If we go through this, what will its relationship with Debian be.
> > > i.e.  It makes sense for bugs to be filed to the bug system for packages
> > > normally in contrib/non-free.
> > 
> > Right.
> > 
> > > However, what about if programs like gated get added.
> > > Also, will we be able to use the Debian mirrors.  
> > 
> > For software that you are redistributing under a contract, You should use
> > a separate master mirror server and have mirrors mirror that directly.
> > I'd also prefer that you used your own mail address rather than the bug
> > system. It must be very clear that this is not being done on the behalf
> > of Debian, and that the people who are maintaining the software are doing
> > it separately from their official involvement in Debian.
> > 
> 
> Then we should probably divide this into 2 seperate trees.  One would be
> contrib, and the other would be non-debian, or something like that.  I'm
> wary of distributing things not part of debian at all, even under
> contract, mostly because I just wanted this to be extra software that
> debian "unofficialy" distributs already, and mostly because I don't want
> to get in any type of legal trouble, i.e. Their's a reason why we can't
> distribute it even in non-free.

Shaya, please, don't panic.

I don't think we are starting new distribution. This is just an effort
to deliver to users what Debian no longer wants to in order to promote
FSG, etc. etc. This will only help Debian to continue to be on par with
other distributions. We shall be dependent upon Debian crucially and
really expect some support.

I hope that our relation with Debian is going to be quite close, at least
on initial stage. I hope noone would object against that. Please realize
that we are trying to help, not to retard.

Having said that, I agree that we should have a master mirror for our
resorted packages from debian contrib/non-free. In case we add some
new packages which are not in Debian, I agree that we might have to
establish the bug tracking and support system of our own.
But, it is very difficult to establish a working system overnight.
I sincerely hope we would get some support from Debian at least for the
first time. 

Bruce, is it ok to have our mailing list (temporarily) on the debian
server (like debian-supplement@lists.debian.org) and use Debian bug
tracking system, again temporarily? The reason for this is that I suspect
that before will be settle down everything e will change servers, mirrors,
etc. at least a couple of times and constantly changing rules will just
confuse users who are already accostomed to the current system.
 
Thank you.

Alex Y.
> 
> Shaya
> 
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