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Re: Clarification about the idea to "split the distribution"

Hi,

	My first reaction was a knee jerk negative one ;-). After
 settling down, and actually reading what was said, I am far more
 nuetral about this proposal than I would have thought possible. 

	I agree that we need a better mechanism to offer the package
 list to new installations, and I acknowledge that the size of the
 project maybe getting unweildy.

	I have a few comments.

 a) Documenting only standard things (only vi, rather than elvis, nvi,
    etc). I think it is a major strength of Debian that we have these
    packages available to choose from. I use sendmail, deliver, and
    mailagent, rather than smail/procmail default: and this should not
    be deprecated. I fear I hear a suggestion that Debian
    documentation be simplified at the expense of dropping the
    add-onns, I think that would lower the quality of the
    distribution. 

  b) the only way the lbd project can be made simpler is if they
     ignore the non-base packages, or else splitting the distribution
     does not save any work.

	From these points, I think I see a move to only applying the
 pretty darn decent integration of packages we have recieved to the
 base/core packages, and letting quality suffer for the rest.

	Are you sure that we have reached a level where quality can't
 be assured for all the packages? If the non-base packages are to
 recieve less-than-normal attention (or else what is the point in
 splitting up the distribution), I think we need to include more
 packages from the current optional list. (the standard or better
 packages are too few, in my opinion, to constitute a ``good''
 distribution [good == one that I can still feel excited about]).

	If I am mistaken, I'd be happy if people correct me.

	I apologize to christian for not heeding his hint to let
 discussion rest for a few weeks; I'll say no more on the subject.

	manoj
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