DaemonFC | schestowitz also balked when I said that free software running well on Windows is the best advertisement for free software | Sep 23 00:00 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Conficker Back and Attacking Massively http://bit.ly/8B8ig | Sep 23 00:00 | |
DaemonFC | it's a means to an end, and sometimes the mountain does just have to come to Mohammed | Sep 23 00:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Tries to 'Pull a #Borland ' on Apple http://bit.ly/bZq6w http://bit.ly/NZ4yh | Sep 23 00:01 | |
DaemonFC | whether one likes Windows or not is entirely beside the point, if you want to reach 9 out of 10 people, that's how you're going to do it | Sep 23 00:02 |
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cubezzz | gnu has stuff for windows | Sep 23 00:03 |
DaemonFC | yeah, it wouldn't be free software if it told you that it can't be ported to Windows | Sep 23 00:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Still a One-Trick Pony: Loses Money in Many Areas http://bit.ly/17tVSS | Sep 23 00:03 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't think Windows Live is supposed to turn a profit | Sep 23 00:04 |
DaemonFC | Live services are really kind of a value-added thing for the most part | Sep 23 00:04 |
DaemonFC | if they break even but make Windows more attractive, they're getting what they want from Live | Sep 23 00:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] We empathise in horror. http://is.gd/3zPTA | Sep 23 00:05 | |
DaemonFC | this is one reason I mentioned that full support for Windows Live Messenger and such would make Linux an easier pill to swallow | Sep 23 00:06 |
DaemonFC | right now you go to Linux and it has a few bizarre things that you never heard of and which none of your friends or family have | Sep 23 00:06 |
DaemonFC | Ekiga and its ilk | Sep 23 00:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Olympiad 2009 Commences http://bit.ly/TVGIw | Sep 23 00:06 | |
DaemonFC | Skype is maybe the one A/V chat system that anyone has ever heard of that works on Linux | Sep 23 00:07 |
DaemonFC | people aren't going to move to a system that sends them back in time to what they were limited to 10 years ago | Sep 23 00:07 |
DaemonFC | and Pidgin, Empathy, Kopete, etc. do that | Sep 23 00:07 |
DaemonFC | that takes me back to free software's unwillingness to come to people on their terms | Sep 23 00:08 |
DaemonFC | and if you won't come to people on their terms at least on the important things, the rest of your system can be the best software ever and it doesn't matter | Sep 23 00:09 |
DaemonFC | Wine has enabled an incredible number of Windows to Linux migrations because it does meet you halfway | Sep 23 00:10 |
DaemonFC | you don't have to throw down everything you use | Sep 23 00:10 |
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DaemonFC | the reason I think even OS X is gobbling up frustrated former Windows users as fast as it is, is because it's compatible with Windows Live Messenger, and MS Office, and it has Cider and Wine | Sep 23 00:11 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu isn't doing all of this | Sep 23 00:11 |
DaemonFC | if something is not doing everything I need to do, it gets a secondary partition | Sep 23 00:12 |
wallclimber | Daemon, where do you come up with this stuff??? One of the things that's been most fun about leaving Windows behind has been all the new software availabe. Things I'd never heard of before! Some I liked, some not, but you'd be very wrong to believe that people aren't getting very tired of using the same old programs forever. | Sep 23 00:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Three-year-old is youngest crime suspect in Britain http://notnews.today.com/?p=657 | Sep 23 00:12 | |
DaemonFC | wallclimber, I can use all my favorite free software on Windows | Sep 23 00:12 |
DaemonFC | but I can't use all my favorite Windows stuff on Linux | Sep 23 00:13 |
DaemonFC | and even things that are not my favorite (Windows Live Messenger), I am still pulled into because other people use them | Sep 23 00:13 |
wallclimber | That's mostly true, but I've found that most work better on Linux. | Sep 23 00:14 |
DaemonFC | if the world used GTalk and Pidgin and I could get voice and video that way, I'd get rid of Windows Live immediately | Sep 23 00:14 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm | Sep 23 00:14 |
DaemonFC | Windows 7 has an update | Sep 23 00:15 |
DaemonFC | http://support.microsoft.com/KB/974332 | Sep 23 00:15 |
DaemonFC | application compatibility update | Sep 23 00:15 |
wallclimber | Well, i don't see the need for Windows Live...so I don't care if anything i use works with it (shrug) | Sep 23 00:15 |
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DaemonFC | as usual, new version of Windows kills some apps then they get resurrected with compatibility patches | Sep 23 00:17 |
schestowitz | Compiz, k3b, konqueror and many other wonderful programs won't run on WIndows | Sep 23 00:17 |
DaemonFC | so? | Sep 23 00:18 |
DaemonFC | ImgBurn is fine | Sep 23 00:18 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror does work on Windows | Sep 23 00:18 |
DaemonFC | Windows already has a compositor | Sep 23 00:19 |
DaemonFC | I haven't looked at KDE on Windows in a while, so K3B may even be in there | Sep 23 00:19 |
DaemonFC | Amarok works on Windows | Sep 23 00:21 |
DaemonFC | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Windows/Installation#Package_status_and_contents | Sep 23 00:21 |
DaemonFC | think I may install KDE 4.3 for Windows and see if things have improved | Sep 23 00:22 |
DaemonFC | they have a Win64 version | Sep 23 00:23 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, Amarok on Windows hooks into DirectShow | Sep 23 00:32 |
DaemonFC | it can play anything you have DShow codecs for | Sep 23 00:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmTBnhOXufg&feature=related. | Sep 23 00:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, You do realize what a crackpot that guy is? | Sep 23 00:33 |
DaemonFC | he said the collapse of America would be partially because of all the homosexuals | Sep 23 00:34 |
DaemonFC | you may as well be linking to some radical Muslim or something | Sep 23 00:34 |
schestowitz | Dennis: ''Economy is killing people'" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsXAzqCqEmM&feature=channel | Sep 23 00:37 |
DaemonFC | my favorite part of that maniac's delusions is his statement that the USA will split into four countries that align themselves with sponsor states | Sep 23 00:37 |
DaemonFC | the guy is a total whackjob | Sep 23 00:38 |
DaemonFC | the fact that he got any mainstream attention speaks volumes as to how stupid people are | Sep 23 00:38 |
schestowitz | James Rogers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNLQdrPUQRE&feature=channel | Sep 23 00:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Horrifying tale of failed and still undead IT project http://is.gd/3zSN7 | Sep 23 00:44 | |
DaemonFC | you have to work at a job for at least 3 months by law in France? | Sep 23 00:45 |
DaemonFC | that's messed up | Sep 23 00:45 |
DaemonFC | I've quit jobs on day 1 before and just never put that down on my resume | Sep 23 00:46 |
DaemonFC | one time I took a 2 week vacation from work and started a new job while I was on vacation | Sep 23 00:47 |
DaemonFC | gives you a couple weeks to try it out | Sep 23 00:47 |
DaemonFC | yay, it's raining | Sep 23 00:49 |
schestowitz | Deputy PM speaks out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf-eAKYqZHo&NR=1 | Sep 23 00:52 |
schestowitz | ALso from Russian Roday | Sep 23 00:52 |
schestowitz | *Today | Sep 23 00:52 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/cpp.htm | Sep 23 00:53 |
schestowitz | gn | Sep 23 00:59 |
_goblin | gn | Sep 23 00:59 |
cubezzz | later | Sep 23 00:59 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/22/linuxcon-roundtable/ | Sep 23 00:59 |
DaemonFC | "Stroustrup: Actually, I did write DOS in C++, I'll give you a demo when we're through. I have it running on a Sparc 20 in the computer room. Goes like a rocket on 4 CPU's, and only takes up 70 megs of disk. " | Sep 23 01:05 |
DaemonFC | rofl | Sep 23 01:05 |
DaemonFC | isn't FreeDOS written in C++? | Sep 23 01:05 |
DaemonFC | someone needs to get bored and write a DOS extender that turns FreeDOS into an SMP aware X86-64 operating system | Sep 23 01:07 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] 'Open internet' rules criticised - How did I guess this was a piece written by MS before I clicked on it? http://tinyurl.com/mjb6gl | Sep 23 01:20 | |
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DaemonFC` | the one FOSS project that has really proven itself to me, well two projects actually, are the FLAC and Vorbis codecs | Sep 23 02:03 |
DaemonFC` | Vorbis handles everything I've thrown at it from AC/DC to Vivaldi | Sep 23 02:04 |
DaemonFC` | hmmm, my wonderful friends at Comcast have cloned me again :P | Sep 23 02:04 |
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DaemonFC` | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090922-714292.html | Sep 23 02:31 |
DaemonFC` | FDA bans some flavored cigarettes | Sep 23 02:31 |
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DaemonFC | oh damn it | Sep 23 02:32 |
DaemonFC | they banned clove cigarettes | Sep 23 02:32 |
DaemonFC | that's why the store is out of them | Sep 23 02:32 |
DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/59230292.html | Sep 23 02:43 |
DaemonFC | Huntington School Board To Make "By The Book" Decision | Sep 23 02:43 |
DaemonFC | they wasted over $50,000 of taxpayer money to fight to keep the bible classes | Sep 23 02:43 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/microsoft-apple/ | Sep 23 03:51 |
DaemonFC | Rumor: Microsoft Poaching Apple Retail Employees | Sep 23 03:51 |
ThistleWeb | I'm guessing their first choice was boiling or frying them, but the laws didn't allow it to they settled for poaching them | Sep 23 03:52 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Sep 23 03:52 |
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DaemonFC | I window shop way too much | Sep 23 05:11 |
DaemonFC | heh, Linus Torvalds always amuses me | Sep 23 05:14 |
DaemonFC | I found a video from 2000 where he said he couldn't pay his bills online because he refused to use Netscape | Sep 23 05:15 |
DaemonFC | he refused to use Netscape because the fonts were ugly | Sep 23 05:15 |
DaemonFC | I had a lot of complaints about Netscape, and ugly fonts were among them, but it had so many fundamental problems that those fonts were hardly worth mentioning | Sep 23 05:16 |
DaemonFC | browsers in general are more the same now than they are different, all are moving towards standards compliance more than fighting to see who can be the most incompatible with everyone else | Sep 23 05:17 |
DaemonFC | I try to twist peoples arm to use anything except MSIE, and if they won't stop using MSIE, I at least install IE 8 | Sep 23 05:18 |
DaemonFC | I probably work on at least 30-40 systems a week, and just over half of them have XP | Sep 23 05:20 |
DaemonFC | I've never seen anything that tends to crap all over itself quite like XP. And it's not like that if you have SP3, but a lot of people are just outright ignorant and it's not unheard of for me to see XP with no service packs even and someone wondering why their system is crawling with malware | Sep 23 05:23 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm writing another post about Comcast | Sep 23 05:42 |
DaemonFC | and my latest misadventures with them | Sep 23 05:42 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: btw, he was right | Sep 23 05:44 |
Diablo-D3 | netscape defaulted to _unreadable_ fonts on X | Sep 23 05:44 |
DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Netscape was unusable on Windows too | Sep 23 05:44 |
Diablo-D3 | naw, I used ns2 and 3 back in the day on windows fine | Sep 23 05:44 |
DaemonFC | hangs and crashes whenever you tried to load any page that had more than a trivial amount of CSS | Sep 23 05:44 |
DaemonFC | their Java VM was even worse | Sep 23 05:45 |
Diablo-D3 | lol, css didnt even exist yet | Sep 23 05:45 |
DaemonFC | Netscape 4.x | Sep 23 05:45 |
Diablo-D3 | and netscape never had a java vm, it was sun's | Sep 23 05:45 |
DaemonFC | yes it did | Sep 23 05:45 |
DaemonFC | and they built in their own Java VM | Sep 23 05:45 |
DaemonFC | which took forever and a day to start | Sep 23 05:45 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: if you want to ban DaemonFC, go ahead | Sep 23 05:45 |
DaemonFC | "Starting Java....." 10 days later, the applet may load | Sep 23 05:45 |
DaemonFC | or act like it was going to, then crash | Sep 23 05:45 |
DaemonFC | it had primitive CSS abilities even by the standards of the late 90s | Sep 23 05:46 |
DaemonFC | it only had support for the very most basic elements of CSS Level 1 and it had to convert them internally to Javascript Style Sheets, cause Netscape backed the wrong horse initially | Sep 23 05:47 |
Diablo-D3 | actually, I should just put DaemonFC on ignore | Sep 23 05:47 |
DaemonFC | then implemented a JSS<>CSS converter | Sep 23 05:47 |
DaemonFC | they figured that like everything else, they could just introduce their own nonstandard | Sep 23 05:47 |
DaemonFC | then nobody ended up going along with that particular one | Sep 23 05:47 |
DaemonFC | they pretty much were the Microsoft of the internet back then | Sep 23 05:48 |
DaemonFC | worse even | Sep 23 05:48 |
DaemonFC | IE had better web standards (W3C) support than Netscape 4.x | Sep 23 05:48 |
DaemonFC | and that's saying something about the sad, incompatible state of the web then and the two companies that were more interested in obliterating each other than what 8 kinds of hell they dragged their users through | Sep 23 05:49 |
DaemonFC | so I agree with Torvalds entirely that Netscape 4.x was an unusable pile of shit, and at the time that didn't leave you any other Linux browsers that had a snowball's chance in hell of rendering a common web page | Sep 23 05:51 |
DaemonFC | well, unless you wanted to register Opera | Sep 23 05:51 |
*twitter ignores Diablos and Deamons. | Sep 23 06:05 | |
DaemonFC | not really, but you can pretend again | Sep 23 06:12 |
DaemonFC | til you slip up and start replying to me again | Sep 23 06:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/more-comcast-kerfuffle-the-return-of-the-dns-hijacker-random-dropped-connections-no-hd-channels/ | Sep 23 06:12 |
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cubezzz | I seem to remember using Netscape 2.0 | Sep 23 07:12 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, Netscape 4 was where it all went wrong for them | Sep 23 07:12 |
DaemonFC | the thing was a monster, full of bugs and memory leaks and bloat | Sep 23 07:13 |
DaemonFC | proprietary extensions that Netscape tried to push instead of standards | Sep 23 07:13 |
DaemonFC | up to that point they had a few | Sep 23 07:14 |
cubezzz | saw the Next at Waterloo in 1989 and I don't think they were browsing the net yet | Sep 23 07:15 |
cubezzz | there was gopher, wais, and ftp and the like | Sep 23 07:15 |
DaemonFC | gopher isn't even really around anymore | Sep 23 07:16 |
DaemonFC | the protocol was removed from IE entirely | Sep 23 07:16 |
DaemonFC | Firefox will be scrapping it soon | Sep 23 07:17 |
cubezzz | then Viola for X, and ummmm Mosaic I think | Sep 23 07:17 |
DaemonFC | it's pretty much seen as old dead code that bloats things and may have a security bug or three | Sep 23 07:17 |
DaemonFC | so scrapping it is probably the best thing | Sep 23 07:18 |
cubezzz | DaemonFC, lynx still supports gopher | Sep 23 07:19 |
DaemonFC | doesn't surprise me | Sep 23 07:19 |
cubezzz | really all the good stuff came from academia | Sep 23 07:19 |
DaemonFC | I haven't actually seen anyone use Lynx | Sep 23 07:19 |
DaemonFC | it's amusing for all of 5 minutes | Sep 23 07:19 |
DaemonFC | then you go back to a real browser | Sep 23 07:19 |
cubezzz | I use it on embedix | Sep 23 07:20 |
DaemonFC | the web browser is more or less an operating system of itself anymore | Sep 23 07:20 |
cubezzz | Viola was very very ahead of it's time | Sep 23 07:22 |
cubezzz | it had something close to css back in 1992 | Sep 23 07:22 |
DaemonFC | Linux may just become a vessel upon which you primarily run obfuscated web apps | Sep 23 07:22 |
DaemonFC | and they used Linux because it didn't cost the manufacturer anything to slap on there | Sep 23 07:23 |
cubezzz | well that should be avoided of course | Sep 23 07:24 |
DaemonFC | it probably won't | Sep 23 07:24 |
DaemonFC | it wouldn't bother Torvalds at all because he's reasonable | Sep 23 07:24 |
cubezzz | that's one of the reasons I'm looking at gnash, to de-obfuscate flash | Sep 23 07:24 |
DaemonFC | it would have RMS not knowing whether to shit or wind his wrist watch though | Sep 23 07:25 |
cubezzz | I don't think RMS uses the web much | Sep 23 07:25 |
cubezzz | but I agree, "The Web" has been crudded up with junk | Sep 23 07:26 |
DaemonFC | it's not necessarily junk | Sep 23 07:26 |
DaemonFC | Google Docs for example lets you run a powerful office suite on little netbooks and such | Sep 23 07:27 |
cubezzz | when the net was just text, it had a certain elegance to it | Sep 23 07:27 |
DaemonFC | stuff that couldn't handle some big bloated office suite that handles like a tank | Sep 23 07:27 |
cubezzz | google has some good stuff, there's no doubt about it | Sep 23 07:28 |
DaemonFC | the only way I would have a problem with something like Google Docs would be if I couldn't have a copy of the document I wrote or if it used some kind of proprietary format that only it understands | Sep 23 07:28 |
DaemonFC | nothing stops you from editing a document with Google Docs and then using it in OpenOffice or something later | Sep 23 07:28 |
DaemonFC | Google Docs existence is not threatening open source software | Sep 23 07:29 |
DaemonFC | it's co-existing peacefully | Sep 23 07:29 |
cubezzz | I don't use Google Docs, but I'm not against it either | Sep 23 07:29 |
DaemonFC | instead of ranting about Google Docs, RMS should focus his efforts on Microsoft Office | Sep 23 07:30 |
DaemonFC | because there's something that refuses to peacefully coexist | Sep 23 07:30 |
DaemonFC | by just shouting that the sky is falling every time a new class of software is invented, RMS undermines himself | Sep 23 07:30 |
DaemonFC | it's all he is doing | Sep 23 07:31 |
DaemonFC | if it comes to free and open source software -or- free and open standards, I'd rather have the free and open standards | Sep 23 07:31 |
DaemonFC | I don't see anything unethical about the Opera browser jsut because it's closed source | Sep 23 07:32 |
cubezzz | I got qsopcast from google and it worked pretty good | Sep 23 07:32 |
cubezzz | source code too | Sep 23 07:32 |
DaemonFC | it's implementing the same open standards that other browsers use | Sep 23 07:32 |
DaemonFC | bitching about a web browser is fairly pointless in any case other than IE | Sep 23 07:32 |
DaemonFC | because they are like cars that use the same roads | Sep 23 07:33 |
DaemonFC | IE has always tried to make new roads that only IE can use | Sep 23 07:33 |
DaemonFC | just like other Microsoft products | Sep 23 07:33 |
DaemonFC | subverting open standards is far worse than just using a closed source app with open standards | Sep 23 07:33 |
DaemonFC | the fact that Opera relies on open standards as much as Mozilla, Google, or Apple keeps them honest | Sep 23 07:34 |
DaemonFC | if Opera did something stupid or evil, everyone would just go find a different browser | Sep 23 07:35 |
DaemonFC | easy as that | Sep 23 07:35 |
DaemonFC | open standards foster honest competition, Microsoft doesn't like that so they throw their weight around and create new formats and protocols | Sep 23 07:36 |
DaemonFC | in some ways, Apple is like that, but they're not as bad | Sep 23 07:39 |
DaemonFC | when I see an Internet Explorer, MS Office, or Windows Media type program roll out of Apple that won't work with anything else, that's when they'll be a serious threat | Sep 23 07:43 |
MinceR | so hardware-based lock-in doesn't concern you at all? | Sep 23 07:52 |
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DaemonFC | MinceR, No | Sep 23 08:00 |
DaemonFC | and it shouldn't | Sep 23 08:00 |
DaemonFC | the x86 PC is a pretty open platform | Sep 23 08:01 |
DaemonFC | plenty of competition | Sep 23 08:01 |
DaemonFC | ARM would scare me a lot more | Sep 23 08:01 |
cubezzz | I cross-compile for arm quite often | Sep 23 08:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Olympiad 2009 Announced, Now Accepting Submissions http://bit.ly/F0R5d | Sep 23 08:10 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Odd that pretty much the only post S/W Freedom Day discussion on their mailing list is about washing the T-Shirts. http://bit.ly/1awb0R | Sep 23 08:21 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft and “Corporate Politics” http://bit.ly/T8mrw | Sep 23 08:34 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Accused of “Bribing” #Apple staff http://bit.ly/3b19Ge | Sep 23 08:52 | |
DaemonFC | http://lucky13linux.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/new-zero-day-linux-kernel/ | Sep 23 08:58 |
DaemonFC | interesting take | Sep 23 08:58 |
DaemonFC | "He told The Register he published the exploit after it became clear Linus Torvalds and other developers responsible for the Linux kernel didn’t regard the bug as a security risk." | Sep 23 08:58 |
DaemonFC | it's not just an isolated incident either | Sep 23 08:59 |
DaemonFC | setuid has caused other security problems | Sep 23 08:59 |
DaemonFC | likely will cause many more | Sep 23 08:59 |
DaemonFC | that's actually kind of funny that instead of fixing the problem, Torvalds bitched about it being publicized after he had more time than he even needed to fix it | Sep 23 09:00 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://lucky13linux.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/separation-of-church-and-software/ | Sep 23 09:06 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27941/1090/ | Sep 23 09:13 |
DaemonFC | CodePlex Foundation will help spread use of Mono | Sep 23 09:13 |
DaemonFC | heh | Sep 23 09:13 |
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schestowitz | Of course | Sep 23 09:21 |
Diablo-D3 | codeplex kinda sucks though | Sep 23 09:23 |
Diablo-D3 | anyone test it out? | Sep 23 09:23 |
Diablo-D3 | its like sourceforge done wrong | Sep 23 09:23 |
cubezzz | ok, lucky13 is comparing nuns to tycoons | Sep 23 09:26 |
cubezzz | :-P | Sep 23 09:26 |
Diablo-D3 | both think they are doing the work of code and have sex with priests? | Sep 23 09:30 |
Diablo-D3 | s/code/god/ # wtf diablo | Sep 23 09:30 |
cubezzz | that's better, got timezone stuff working in embedix | Sep 23 09:34 |
cubezzz | I don't really care for blogs that are all opinion pieces with no tech info | Sep 23 09:34 |
Diablo-D3 | >blog | Sep 23 09:35 |
Diablo-D3 | >opinion pieces | Sep 23 09:35 |
Diablo-D3 | wut | Sep 23 09:35 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, did you read the lucky13 blog? | Sep 23 09:36 |
Diablo-D3 | no | Sep 23 09:36 |
Diablo-D3 | woah, UCE has a profanity filter in firefox by default? | Sep 23 09:37 |
Diablo-D3 | fuck them | Sep 23 09:37 |
DaemonFC | mmhm | Sep 23 09:37 |
Diablo-D3 | in fact, I wonder if ubuntu can sue them to force them to remove the ubuntu name | Sep 23 09:37 |
DaemonFC | they probably don't have the balls | Sep 23 09:38 |
Diablo-D3 | I would if I was them, associating ubuntu with a particular religion damages ubuntu's reputation | Sep 23 09:38 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: we need more people with balls | Sep 23 09:38 |
Diablo-D3 | they could hire me, I have huge balls | Sep 23 09:38 |
Diablo-D3 | need someone to piss off? Ill tell em to piss off | Sep 23 09:38 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu is ridiculous | Sep 23 09:38 |
Diablo-D3 | example: DaemonFC piss off | Sep 23 09:38 |
DaemonFC | I've given up trying to make sense of them | Sep 23 09:38 |
Diablo-D3 | see? Im good at it | Sep 23 09:38 |
cubezzz | lol | Sep 23 09:38 |
cubezzz | ok, I got to say this tap water is really gross | Sep 23 09:39 |
DaemonFC | they did threaten Ubuntu Satanic Edition with a lawsuit | Sep 23 09:39 |
DaemonFC | and that was just a few wallpapers and such | Sep 23 09:39 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: they havent gone after Jewbuntu yet though | Sep 23 09:39 |
cubezzz | what the heck, satanic edition? :) | Sep 23 09:39 |
DaemonFC | they won't do anything about Ubuntu Sieg Heil! Edition though | Sep 23 09:40 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yeah, it was a joke distro that came up because of CE | Sep 23 09:40 |
DaemonFC | errr, Christian Edition | Sep 23 09:40 |
cubezzz | Stallman told us to drink tap water but it's not very good, ugh | Sep 23 09:40 |
Diablo-D3 | tap water is actually pretty good | Sep 23 09:41 |
DaemonFC | I think he's drunk on himself | Sep 23 09:41 |
Diablo-D3 | it has far less contaminants than bottled water | Sep 23 09:41 |
DaemonFC | that's my opinion | Sep 23 09:41 |
cubezzz | hmmm | Sep 23 09:41 |
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Diablo-D3 | but I suggest you get a britta water pitcher (not the on tap ones) | Sep 23 09:41 |
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Diablo-D3 | the thing with bottled water is they take out anything that effects taste or smell | Sep 23 09:41 |
Diablo-D3 | but they leave in dangerously high amounts of over things | Sep 23 09:42 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, yeah I use the Britta, and it still tastes kind of strange | Sep 23 09:42 |
Diablo-D3 | and water bottled eventually grows germs | Sep 23 09:42 |
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Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: well, pure water _does_ taste strange | Sep 23 09:42 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, that was weird | Sep 23 09:42 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: humans expect "natural" water, which is subtly sweet/salty | Sep 23 09:42 |
DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, those water filters are bullshit | Sep 23 09:42 |
cubezzz | is bottled water fluoridated? | Sep 23 09:43 |
DaemonFC | the clean water act mandates safe drinking water anyway | Sep 23 09:43 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: no | Sep 23 09:43 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: and the flouridation is technically dangerous anyhow | Sep 23 09:43 |
DaemonFC | the only thing those filters get rid of is stuff like iron and calcium and such | Sep 23 09:43 |
DaemonFC | stuff that actually benefits ou | Sep 23 09:43 |
DaemonFC | *you | Sep 23 09:44 |
DaemonFC | the fluoride is not dangerous | Sep 23 09:44 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: it actually takes out pretty much most particulate matter | Sep 23 09:44 |
DaemonFC | strengthens your teeth | Sep 23 09:44 |
Diablo-D3 | flouride is extremely dangerous, DaemonFC | Sep 23 09:44 |
DaemonFC | not in the tiny amount they use | Sep 23 09:44 |
DaemonFC | it's not like it builds up | Sep 23 09:44 |
Diablo-D3 | humans should never be exposed to it | Sep 23 09:44 |
cubezzz | I don't mind it as much mixed with something else like concentrated orange juice | Sep 23 09:44 |
Diablo-D3 | thankfully it naturally escapes as a gas | Sep 23 09:45 |
DaemonFC | only a few crackpots would argue against fluoridated water | Sep 23 09:45 |
Diablo-D3 | leave it in a jug in your fridge for a couple days and it naturally excapes | Sep 23 09:45 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: +q DaemonFC. | Sep 23 09:45 |
DaemonFC | I'd rather keep my teeth, thank you | Sep 23 09:45 |
cubezzz | some folks tell me to drink distilled water | Sep 23 09:45 |
DaemonFC | let yours rot out if you want | Sep 23 09:45 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: you get enough flouride from your toothpaste | Sep 23 09:46 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: distilled water isn't really useful for humans | Sep 23 09:46 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation#Effectiveness | Sep 23 09:46 |
DaemonFC | Fluoride has contributed to the dental health of children and adults worldwide.[2] Water fluoridation has been listed as one of the ten great public health achievements of the 20th century in the U.S.,[46] alongside vaccination, family planning, recognition of the dangers of smoking, and other achievements.[15] | Sep 23 09:46 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: yes, and we live in the US | Sep 23 09:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] My Acer Aspire Revo is locking up hard. Ran memtest on it overnight and it seems okay. Dunno what to do next. | Sep 23 09:47 | |
DaemonFC | There is no clear association between fluoridation and cancer or deaths due to cancer, both for cancer in general and also specifically for bone cancer and osteosarcoma.[10] Other adverse effects lack sufficient evidence to reach a confident conclusion.[12] Fear that water is fluoridated may have a psychological effect with a large variety of symptoms, regardless of whether the water is actually fluoridated.[1] | Sep 23 09:48 |
DaemonFC | in other words, people who worry about fluoride in the water are hypochondriacs | Sep 23 09:48 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, some of these blogs I'm seeing are almost anti-FOSS or say open and sourced source are the same | Sep 23 09:49 |
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cubezzz | open and closed | Sep 23 09:50 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, Not all FOSS programs are good or appropriate for all users | Sep 23 09:50 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: they are the same, in a sense | Sep 23 09:50 |
DaemonFC | not every closed source program is evil or unethical | Sep 23 09:50 |
Diablo-D3 | they do things, and people work on them. | Sep 23 09:50 |
Diablo-D3 | the large problem is FOSS has turned into some sort of religion, which I really don't like | Sep 23 09:50 |
Diablo-D3 | FOSS is a form of scientific study, not religion | Sep 23 09:51 |
DaemonFC | open source programs tend to stall out once they achieve the features that the handful of maintainers wanted | Sep 23 09:51 |
DaemonFC | so if they work for you that's great, if they don', you still may need to buy more comprehensive software | Sep 23 09:51 |
MinceR | or you can hire someone to implement them | Sep 23 09:51 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you missed the point | Sep 23 09:52 |
MinceR | or if they're really useful or interesting, you could prod the original maintainers to add them | Sep 23 09:52 |
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MinceR | or you could implement them yourself | Sep 23 09:52 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz mentioned movie studios using Linux for video editing | Sep 23 09:52 |
Diablo-D3 | I know the church of gnucitis or whatever it is is a joke | Sep 23 09:52 |
DaemonFC | they use expensive customized software that most people can't even get | Sep 23 09:52 |
Diablo-D3 | but even RMS takes this shit too seriously | Sep 23 09:52 |
DaemonFC | and these are the same companies that sue file sharers | Sep 23 09:52 |
DaemonFC | it's not cause they care about "freedom" | Sep 23 09:53 |
Diablo-D3 | the only thing that should be taken seriously is the study of if FOSS does infact produce better software | Sep 23 09:53 |
Diablo-D3 | and I'm not entirely convinced of it | Sep 23 09:53 |
Diablo-D3 | its just merely a tradeoff. | Sep 23 09:53 |
DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, In some cases it does | Sep 23 09:53 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: lurk moar. it's called Church of Emacs | Sep 23 09:53 |
_goblin | I think in certain areas (serious gaming) we will never have a foss model... | Sep 23 09:53 |
Diablo-D3 | oh right, saint ignucius | Sep 23 09:53 |
DaemonFC | it does produce better software at least as often as it fails to | Sep 23 09:53 |
DaemonFC | so I guess it balances out | Sep 23 09:53 |
Diablo-D3 | _goblin: not true | Sep 23 09:53 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, I like FOSS because I can port stuff to new platforms | Sep 23 09:53 |
Diablo-D3 | the problem is we don't have the right developers | Sep 23 09:53 |
Diablo-D3 | we have no content creators who will do it for free | Sep 23 09:54 |
_goblin | ok....diablo tell me how you would get a return on a product like GTA? | Sep 23 09:54 |
_goblin | if it was FOSS | Sep 23 09:54 |
DaemonFC | nobody would do that as FOSS | Sep 23 09:54 |
Diablo-D3 | you dont, but how do you get a return on a product like FOSS? | Sep 23 09:54 |
_goblin | keeping in mind the millions it cost to develop. | Sep 23 09:54 |
Diablo-D3 | FOSS cost millions to develop as well | Sep 23 09:54 |
cubezzz | well, there's the paypal donate button :) | Sep 23 09:54 |
DaemonFC | there's only a handful of FOSS games and they range from horrible (most of them) to decent | Sep 23 09:54 |
_goblin | don't be silly.. diablo...you know what I mean. | Sep 23 09:55 |
DaemonFC | nothing commercial-grade though | Sep 23 09:55 |
Diablo-D3 | Im not being silly | Sep 23 09:55 |
Diablo-D3 | its actually the truth | Sep 23 09:55 |
_goblin | come on then, tell us how you would get a return on GTA if it was released under the GPL? | Sep 23 09:55 |
Diablo-D3 | people just need to understand that the game development mentality itself is wrong. | Sep 23 09:55 |
cubezzz | old games could be open sourced though | Sep 23 09:55 |
cubezzz | no reason why not | Sep 23 09:55 |
Diablo-D3 | GTA was developed wrong. | Sep 23 09:55 |
MinceR | 105527 < _goblin> I think in certain areas (serious gaming) we will never have a foss model... | Sep 23 09:55 |
MinceR | there are foss games | Sep 23 09:55 |
Diablo-D3 | there are many foss games | Sep 23 09:55 |
Diablo-D3 | in fact the only game I play anymore is nexuiz | Sep 23 09:56 |
DaemonFC | and how many good ones? | Sep 23 09:56 |
DaemonFC | a few | Sep 23 09:56 |
MinceR | also, a model where code is FLOSS and content is proprietary could work | Sep 23 09:56 |
_goblin | Mincer: I am meaning licenced titles that cost millions to make...GTA COD etc | Sep 23 09:56 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yes, I'm very interested in that model. | Sep 23 09:56 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: so what's your point? | Sep 23 09:56 |
Diablo-D3 | _goblin: it took millions of hard currency because it was developed in 9 months | Sep 23 09:56 |
_goblin | so answer the question....how would it be done? | Sep 23 09:56 |
Diablo-D3 | linux has largely survived on soft currency because it took 10 years. | Sep 23 09:56 |
MinceR | _goblin: slowly. | Sep 23 09:56 |
Diablo-D3 | even games can be done, but we don't have the right people | Sep 23 09:57 |
DaemonFC | well, demanding that everyone throw down software that works and use software with major implementation gaps and entire unrepresented categories is a stretch | Sep 23 09:57 |
Diablo-D3 | we can't entice those who we want to work for us | Sep 23 09:57 |
_goblin | explain.# | Sep 23 09:57 |
MinceR | _goblin: also, without stupid tradeoffs that only serve a tight deadline. | Sep 23 09:57 |
MinceR | :> | Sep 23 09:57 |
Diablo-D3 | we dont have artists, musicians, or whatever who are worth a damn | Sep 23 09:57 |
_goblin | Romeo Knight? | Sep 23 09:57 |
Diablo-D3 | all we have is coders. | Sep 23 09:57 |
MinceR | _goblin: we do have the right people. consider FLOSS games and free add-ons | Sep 23 09:57 |
_goblin | Mincer: I agree, but how would you get the return on GTA for example? | Sep 23 09:58 |
cubezzz | I wanted to make new trains for RT2, but could never figure out the data format | Sep 23 09:58 |
_goblin | people want GTA, developers make it.... | Sep 23 09:58 |
MinceR | _goblin: by having fun playing the came i took part in developing? | Sep 23 09:58 |
MinceR | s/ca/ga/ | Sep 23 09:58 |
MinceR | also, the same engine can be used for a lot of games | Sep 23 09:58 |
_goblin | whilst Alien Arena is great, its not COD (for example) | Sep 23 09:58 |
MinceR | neither is CoD Alien Arena. :> | Sep 23 09:59 |
cubezzz | any can do anything now | Sep 23 09:59 |
cubezzz | anyone | Sep 23 09:59 |
_goblin | like I say diablo, you can blame devs, you can blame customers, but you still havent answered how GTA would make a return released under the GPL..... | Sep 23 09:59 |
MinceR | _goblin: games don't have to be made for profit. | Sep 23 10:00 |
MinceR | the whole point is having fun. | Sep 23 10:00 |
cubezzz | people do program for fun | Sep 23 10:00 |
_goblin | Very true Mincer, but do you think we would have ever seen the GTA franchise if they wernt? | Sep 23 10:00 |
cubezzz | they like figuring out things | Sep 23 10:00 |
_goblin | and the example of that would be found in the demoscene... | Sep 23 10:01 |
_goblin | not gaming..... | Sep 23 10:01 |
MinceR | _goblin: i don't know | Sep 23 10:01 |
_goblin | thats why we get 4k demo comps.... | Sep 23 10:01 |
MinceR | _goblin: probably. | Sep 23 10:01 |
MinceR | 4k intro comps, that is :> | Sep 23 10:01 |
cubezzz | 4k as in 4 kilobytes? | Sep 23 10:01 |
_goblin | yep | Sep 23 10:01 |
cubezzz | crazy :) | Sep 23 10:01 |
_goblin | let me link you 1 or 2. | Sep 23 10:02 |
cubezzz | my vic-20 programming days are over :) | Sep 23 10:02 |
cubezzz | well, I spent 5 years trying to program hp 4470c (finally succeeded this year) so I can relate | Sep 23 10:03 |
_goblin | cubezzz: this aint vic20 standards... | Sep 23 10:03 |
_goblin | http://awards.scene.org/nominees.php?cat=10 | Sep 23 10:04 |
cubezzz | some of this stuff is over 200 megs | Sep 23 10:06 |
_goblin | check out the 4k comps... | Sep 23 10:07 |
_goblin | I think many are wine compliant. | Sep 23 10:07 |
DaemonFC | game developers could easily support Linux natively | Sep 23 10:07 |
cubezzz | 1280x720, I can't play that | Sep 23 10:07 |
DaemonFC | anything that uses an id engine could be ported to Linux in a day or so | Sep 23 10:08 |
cubezzz | DaemonFC, yeah that's what LGP does | Sep 23 10:08 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, I won't buy from them | Sep 23 10:08 |
_goblin | a great example when you said "they like figuring things out" would be "Pimp my Spectrum" | Sep 23 10:08 |
DaemonFC | draconian DRM | Sep 23 10:08 |
DaemonFC | using Linux just to buy software that requires activation and reactivation every 2 weeks is kind of stupid | Sep 23 10:09 |
DaemonFC | you could get that kind of treatment easily on Windows | Sep 23 10:09 |
MinceR | they used to be nicer | Sep 23 10:10 |
MinceR | their old releases are free of DRM | Sep 23 10:10 |
DaemonFC | used to be | Sep 23 10:10 |
cubezzz | well, it's not up to me :) | Sep 23 10:10 |
MinceR | hopefully they'll get a clue | Sep 23 10:10 |
DaemonFC | yeah, this all went down within the last year, MinceR | Sep 23 10:10 |
MinceR | i know | Sep 23 10:10 |
_goblin | much as I'd love to see the IT world embrace FOSS completely, I think being realistic you have two area's where proprietary will remain, one would be gaming as I said and the other custom apps for enterprise... | Sep 23 10:11 |
MinceR | also, someone else could pick up where old LGP left off | Sep 23 10:11 |
DaemonFC | I'd rather see someone crack their DRM | Sep 23 10:11 |
DaemonFC | I don't care if it's legal, it's the right thing to do | Sep 23 10:11 |
DaemonFC | it's not paying for it that scares me away | Sep 23 10:12 |
DaemonFC | it's paying for something that keeps me on a leash like that | Sep 23 10:12 |
DaemonFC | once I buy a program, it shouldn't have the right to just arbitrarily decide to quit working | Sep 23 10:13 |
DaemonFC | and what happens when they go out of business and the game can't reactivate? | Sep 23 10:13 |
DaemonFC | they promised to release a patch that disables the DRM in that case, but there's nothing legally binding which would make them fulfill the promise | Sep 23 10:13 |
MinceR | i'm against the idea of paying for DRM-addled stuff | Sep 23 10:14 |
cubezzz | DaemonFC, talk to the boss :) | Sep 23 10:14 |
DaemonFC | so I happen to believe they'll just let all their customers take a bath | Sep 23 10:14 |
MinceR | but you're right, we need cracks for that to work | Sep 23 10:14 |
DaemonFC | it's the same mentality as Windows game companies | Sep 23 10:14 |
MinceR | i haven't seen their DRM-ed stuff closely so i can't say if it's easy to break | Sep 23 10:15 |
DaemonFC | why give you a patch to make it work on the new Windows when they made all the money they're ever going to off it already? | Sep 23 10:15 |
cubezzz | a lot of people were pirating... | Sep 23 10:15 |
MinceR | it can probably be made to work | Sep 23 10:15 |
MinceR | cubezzz: that's no excuse for DRM | Sep 23 10:15 |
MinceR | never was, never will be | Sep 23 10:15 |
MinceR | DRM doesn't even keep people from pirating | Sep 23 10:15 |
MinceR | it only ever really screws paying customers | Sep 23 10:16 |
DaemonFC | company releases software, software gets pirated, company tries DRMing the software, pirates crack DRM, DRM screws over paying customers who quit buying your DRM'd software in disgust | Sep 23 10:16 |
DaemonFC | that's how DRM works | Sep 23 10:16 |
DaemonFC | these companies just don't get it | Sep 23 10:17 |
DaemonFC | they've made the non-DRM'd free pirate version so much more pleasant to deal with that people will go use that | Sep 23 10:17 |
DaemonFC | DRM is the best way to take half of something and turn it into all of nothing | Sep 23 10:18 |
cubezzz | ok, I just want to say I have nothing to do with DRM at lgp, you can go to #lgp and talk to the boss there | Sep 23 10:19 |
DaemonFC | there's ways to make the paid version more attractive without implementing DRM | Sep 23 10:19 |
cubezzz | no point bickering about it here | Sep 23 10:20 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, I avoid DRM like the plague | Sep 23 10:20 |
MinceR | i'd be surprised if nobody told them how stupid this idea is already | Sep 23 10:21 |
DaemonFC | bringing DRM to Linux is not how you make friends and influence people | Sep 23 10:21 |
cubezzz | sure, lots of people did on the lgp blog | Sep 23 10:21 |
MinceR | so they didn't listen to reason, did they? | Sep 23 10:21 |
DaemonFC | of course they didn't | Sep 23 10:21 |
DaemonFC | they deserve to go bankrupt | Sep 23 10:21 |
DaemonFC | right alongside EA | Sep 23 10:22 |
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cubezzz | what can I say? :) | Sep 23 10:22 |
DaemonFC | I avoid Sony like the plague too | Sep 23 10:22 |
MinceR | oh, it's a mutex | Sep 23 10:22 |
cubezzz | I remove drm from audio and video I buy | Sep 23 10:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Crowd Uses #comScore Numbers to Lie Again http://ping.fm/QgdDI | Sep 23 10:22 | |
DaemonFC | SecuROM and fake CDs | Sep 23 10:22 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, none of my music ever has DRM to start with | Sep 23 10:23 |
DaemonFC | people that actually paid CD prices for DRM-crippled lossy iTunes files should be kicked in the nuts | Sep 23 10:23 |
cubezzz | I'm about to learn about tunecore's distribution model tomorrow | Sep 23 10:25 |
cubezzz | for on-line music, so it should be interesting | Sep 23 10:25 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, To be honest, they'd probably kick me out of that room in about 3 seconds | Sep 23 10:26 |
DaemonFC | I don't have anything polite to say about LGP | Sep 23 10:26 |
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*schestowitz has kicked zlg from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Sep 23 10:28 | |
schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/madoff-scheme-leads-to-new-sec-division/?cs=36019 | Sep 23 10:28 |
schestowitz | The other day I saw Bernard referred to as "madolf" | Sep 23 10:29 |
schestowitz | EU in 'Exploratory Talks' with Microsoft, Yahoo < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/eu-in-exploratory-talks-with-microsoft-yahoo/?cs=35851 > | Sep 23 10:30 |
schestowitz | "Apparently, security executives hate Twitter." http://www.itworld.com/security/77890/will-security-execs-squash-twitter | Sep 23 10:30 |
schestowitz | They could pick on any site that's big. Wikipedia is also a target for FUD. | Sep 23 10:30 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Twitter has been more of a vessel for all the bad guys of the world than anything else | Sep 23 10:31 |
schestowitz | APIs and all | Sep 23 10:31 |
DaemonFC | I don't understand the Republican Party's obsession with Twitter, or Microsoft's | Sep 23 10:31 |
schestowitz | And that "mafia" thing | Sep 23 10:31 |
schestowitz | The Republicans leveraged it too? I hadn't noticed | Sep 23 10:32 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Sep 23 10:32 |
schestowitz | Heh | Sep 23 10:32 |
schestowitz | They did in Digg | Sep 23 10:32 |
schestowitz | All sort of nutter comments ahead of 08 elections | Sep 23 10:32 |
schestowitz | The Ron Paul fans can also be a nuisance | Sep 23 10:32 |
DaemonFC | the Republicans are finished | Sep 23 10:32 |
DaemonFC | at least as far ahead as I can see | Sep 23 10:33 |
schestowitz | Just PR? -> Google Launches Climate Change Platform With Denmark < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/22/google-launches-climate-change-platform-with-denmark > | Sep 23 10:33 |
DaemonFC | they'll be back I'm sure, but not before 2016 | Sep 23 10:33 |
DaemonFC | with any luck at all we'll be rid of them for at least 8 good years | Sep 23 10:33 |
schestowitz | If Obamabiden carry on betraying the public, you may be wrong | Sep 23 10:33 |
schestowitz | With the sagging economy, people will want change again | Sep 23 10:34 |
schestowitz | They will also lean to radicalism and what better radicalism would you find other than Republicans? | Sep 23 10:34 |
DaemonFC | the Republicans are so rotten to the core that I don't think Obama could screw up badly enough to lose the 2012 election | Sep 23 10:34 |
DaemonFC | he'd really have to try to be worse than Bush | Sep 23 10:34 |
schestowitz | Was Bush really voted worst ever? | Sep 23 10:34 |
schestowitz | Some polls said "yes" | Sep 23 10:35 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, signs point to yes :) | Sep 23 10:35 |
DaemonFC | I never voted for him | Sep 23 10:35 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Welcome to US politics | Sep 23 10:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.ysearchblog.com/2009/09/22/welcome-to-the-new-yahoo-search/ | Sep 23 10:36 |
DaemonFC | re: Ron Paul | Sep 23 10:36 |
schestowitz | it's purple | Sep 23 10:36 |
DaemonFC | fringe parties and fringe candidates never win | Sep 23 10:36 |
DaemonFC | they jsut hurt the major party who is closest to them | Sep 23 10:36 |
cubezzz | probably Nixon was worse, a tough call that one :) | Sep 23 10:36 |
DaemonFC | example would be the Libertarians and the "Constitution Party" (religion masquerading as a political party) | Sep 23 10:36 |
DaemonFC | siphoned over 1.5 million votes from John McCain's ticket | Sep 23 10:36 |
schestowitz | Welcome to duocracy | Sep 23 10:37 |
DaemonFC | in Indiana's case, Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and the string of other far right nincompoops torpedoed the McCain ticket | Sep 23 10:37 |
cubezzz | we don't have duocracy | Sep 23 10:37 |
DaemonFC | Obama won Indiana because of those people | Sep 23 10:37 |
schestowitz | Not only are you limited to one vote among many (Rule of the majority) but you are also given just two similar choices | Sep 23 10:37 |
cubezzz | we got tons of parties | Sep 23 10:37 |
DaemonFC | oh, and Bob Barr | Sep 23 10:38 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: how well distributed? | Sep 23 10:38 |
DaemonFC | Obama got Indiana by ~29,000 votes | Sep 23 10:38 |
cubezzz | I'll start the FOSS party and get 0.001% of the vote :) | Sep 23 10:38 |
schestowitz | 45%,45%, 5%, 1%... is not too good | Sep 23 10:38 |
DaemonFC | Bob Barr got more than that just by himself | Sep 23 10:38 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: Pirate Parties are a bit like that. We have one in the UK now. | Sep 23 10:39 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, It would be hilarious if we got a Pirate Party candidate in the Senate or something | Sep 23 10:39 |
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cubezzz | schestowitz, here's the latest poll numbers: | Sep 23 10:40 |
cubezzz | Tories with 35.1 per cent support, followed by the Liberals with 29.9 per cent. The New Democratic Party followed with 16.5 per cent, the Bloc Quebecois with 9.6 per cent and the Green Party with 9 per cent. | Sep 23 10:40 |
schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/terrorist_haven.html | Sep 23 10:40 |
cubezzz | I voted for the greens and they got zero seats | Sep 23 10:40 |
schestowitz | Green Party? | Sep 23 10:40 |
schestowitz | With 9%... no seats? | Sep 23 10:40 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I did a bunch of door to door stuff with the Democrats last year | Sep 23 10:40 |
schestowitz | Germany has Pirate Party MP in parliament | Sep 23 10:40 |
DaemonFC | I expected to get the doors slammed in my face, cussed out, etc. | Sep 23 10:40 |
DaemonFC | but most people were actually pretty reasonable | Sep 23 10:41 |
DaemonFC | I only had one or two explode on me or slam the door | Sep 23 10:41 |
schestowitz | Free slavery for Dems | Sep 23 10:41 |
schestowitz | Don't they have enough budget from lobbyists and corps? | Sep 23 10:41 |
DaemonFC | meh, it was still fun | Sep 23 10:42 |
schestowitz | It reminds me of Apple fans ans blogs! | Sep 23 10:42 |
schestowitz | Stupid people sometimes. | Sep 23 10:42 |
schestowitz | Apple spends billions on marketing | Sep 23 10:42 |
schestowitz | And these people /volunteer/ to make Jobs richer | Sep 23 10:42 |
DaemonFC | <-----Yellow Dog Democrat | Sep 23 10:42 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, On August 30, 2008, independent MP Blair Wilson joined the Green Party and became its first Member of Parliament. He was defeated in the 2008 federal election | Sep 23 10:43 |
cubezzz | doh! | Sep 23 10:43 |
DaemonFC | I've always voted a straight ballot in favor of the Democrats | Sep 23 10:44 |
DaemonFC | never voted for a Republican in my life, never will | Sep 23 10:44 |
schestowitz | HDI board supply may be tight in 2010 on strong smartphone demand, says Unitech exec < http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090923PD213.html > <<-- carcinogens | Sep 23 10:44 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, the number of political parties isn't really important | Sep 23 10:44 |
DaemonFC | they should disband them all | Sep 23 10:44 |
schestowitz | The parties or their subsidiaries? | Sep 23 10:45 |
schestowitz | As in Exxon and others? | Sep 23 10:45 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, well, outlawing corporate campaign sponsorship would be a good start | Sep 23 10:46 |
schestowitz | The tyrannical component is still not the political parties | Sep 23 10:46 |
DaemonFC | but parties in general are a bad thing | Sep 23 10:46 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 parties....... | Sep 23 10:46 |
schestowitz | Bring your clown hat.... no wait.... Microsoft will pay for it and post it to you. | Sep 23 10:46 |
schestowitz | No balloons in Europe | Sep 23 10:46 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, 17 year old was chosen as one of the party hosts | Sep 23 10:47 |
DaemonFC | his screen name was "Puppet" | Sep 23 10:47 |
schestowitz | http://article.wn.com/view/2009/09/08/Microsoft_pulls_Windows_7_balloons_from_Euro_launch_parties/ | Sep 23 10:47 |
DaemonFC | appropriate I guess | Sep 23 10:47 |
schestowitz | Puppet only runs on Unix systems | Sep 23 10:48 |
schestowitz | AFAIK | Sep 23 10:48 |
schestowitz | http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WhosUsingPuppet | Sep 23 10:48 |
DaemonFC | I've thought about applying at that Microsoft store that they're opening up in Ft Wayne | Sep 23 10:49 |
DaemonFC | having standards is one thing but I still need to have money | Sep 23 10:49 |
schestowitz | Samsung releases touchscreen driven chip http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1546921/samsung-releases-touchscreen-driven-chip | Sep 23 10:49 |
schestowitz | Standards? You? You're a Windows fan | Sep 23 10:50 |
DaemonFC | I'm wondering what kind of salaries they would pay for management | Sep 23 10:50 |
DaemonFC | fan? no | Sep 23 10:51 |
DaemonFC | use it? yes | Sep 23 10:51 |
schestowitz | Where is Melissa Gonzales/whatever? http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/more-comcast-kerfuffle-the-return-of-the-dns-hijacker-random-dropped-connections-no-hd-channels/ | Sep 23 10:51 |
schestowitz | May the PR spies no longer love this blog. | Sep 23 10:51 |
DaemonFC | who knows | Sep 23 10:51 |
schestowitz | 0 comments | Sep 23 10:51 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, It took them about a day last time | Sep 23 10:52 |
DaemonFC | I keep saying I don't like Comcast, and I mean it | Sep 23 10:52 |
schestowitz | "Critical blogs: 4533; assigned (54); pending (1: ? http://izanbardprince )" | Sep 23 10:52 |
DaemonFC | the only other choice is AT&T | Sep 23 10:52 |
schestowitz | Maybe it can't be targeted with automated reply yet | Sep 23 10:53 |
schestowitz | They need to manually do a rebuttal, i.e. use an actual human | Sep 23 10:53 |
DaemonFC | shhhh | Sep 23 10:53 |
DaemonFC | you're going to give them ideas | Sep 23 10:53 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 23 10:53 |
Diablo-D3 | http://zip.4chan.org/g/res/5923114.html#5928062 | Sep 23 10:53 |
Diablo-D3 | oh god, this thread on /g/ | Sep 23 10:53 |
DaemonFC | lmao | Sep 23 10:54 |
schestowitz | Texas Instruments aims lawyers at calculator hackers http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/texas_instruments_calculator_hacking/ | Sep 23 10:54 |
DaemonFC | that's so awesome | Sep 23 10:54 |
schestowitz | *LOL* RMS on 4chan | Sep 23 10:55 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Let's just hope he doesn't start scanning in images of his ass and posting them in /b/ | Sep 23 10:55 |
DaemonFC | oh wait, he uses Ututo | Sep 23 10:55 |
DaemonFC | does that support scanners? | Sep 23 10:55 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 23 10:55 |
schestowitz | He doesn't use it anymore | Sep 23 10:56 |
schestowitz | I think | Sep 23 10:56 |
cubezzz | good ol' tubby stallman :) | Sep 23 10:57 |
schestowitz | Argentine distro... still making release | Sep 23 10:57 |
DaemonFC | well, I don't see what good an OS is without any hardware support | Sep 23 10:58 |
schestowitz | If Stallman shaved, got a haircut and lost a few stones he would not be recognisable | Sep 23 10:58 |
DaemonFC | he's further off the deep end than 99% of Linux users would ever think of being | Sep 23 10:58 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/richard-stallman-young.png | Sep 23 10:58 |
DaemonFC | god damn | Sep 23 10:59 |
DaemonFC | what the hell happened!? | Sep 23 10:59 |
DaemonFC | lol | Sep 23 10:59 |
cubezzz | whoa | Sep 23 10:59 |
Diablo-D3 | yarly | Sep 23 11:00 |
trmanco | http://blog.ricodigo.com/2009/09/21/authors/Patrick/shapado-a-foss-replacement-for-stackoverflow | Sep 23 11:01 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/swedish_military_bras/ | Sep 23 11:02 |
DaemonFC | actually, I've worked myself into a scenario where I use mostly Windows 7 on my desktop and mostly Kubuntu on my laptop | Sep 23 11:03 |
DaemonFC | I'm not exactly sure how that happened, but I suspect it has to do with the laptop being old and Vista waking it up randomly while the lid is closed | Sep 23 11:03 |
DaemonFC | which just really pisses me off to no end | Sep 23 11:03 |
DaemonFC | Kubuntu does work well considering the laptop's hardware | Sep 23 11:04 |
DaemonFC | 1.8 Ghz Sempron and 1 GB of RAM | Sep 23 11:05 |
DaemonFC | I'll buy a new laptop eventually but this one may have to last me several more months | Sep 23 11:05 |
DaemonFC | I just don't know how I could work at a Microsoft store, most of the products in there would be things I wouldn't use personally | Sep 23 11:07 |
DaemonFC | I still play my Dreamcast quite a bit but the XBOX 360 is collecting dust | Sep 23 11:07 |
DaemonFC | I really want Sega to make a new console but I think they're pretty much finished | Sep 23 11:09 |
schestowitz | "Internet giant Yahoo has relaunched its web portal, supported by a $100m global advertising campaign." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8270081.stm | Sep 23 11:10 |
DaemonFC | If I could see any non x86 CPU architecture catch on, it would be the Hitachi Super-H | Sep 23 11:11 |
DaemonFC | Linux still works on my Dreamcast | Sep 23 11:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] China Mobile Signs Up its Half-Billionth Subscriber http://bit.ly/JBHRb | Sep 23 11:12 | |
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_Hicham_ | Hi All! | Sep 23 11:15 |
schestowitz | So there I was, happily taking some pix of some razor wire... < http://www.flickr.com/photos/misty69/3935772192/in/pool-96539599@N00 > | Sep 23 11:19 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: would you take photos of a fence :-p | Sep 23 11:19 |
_Hicham_ | when the world does not have walls and fences, who needs windows and gates ? | Sep 23 11:20 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u like fences ? | Sep 23 11:23 |
schestowitz | London.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_way/3940110955/sizes/l/ | Sep 23 11:23 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, but I like windows and gates | Sep 23 11:23 |
schestowitz | US Bringing Most Traffic Growth To UK News Sites http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-us-bringing-most-traffic-growth-to-uk-news-sites/ | Sep 23 11:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A cure for global warming: Economic meltdown < http://bit.ly/15ld9a > Economy = currency, trade | Sep 23 11:26 | |
schestowitz | Could Wowd Be the Skype of Real-Time Search? Private Beta Invites http://www.readwriteweb.com/readwritestart/2009/09/could-wowd-be-the-skype-of-rea.php | Sep 23 11:26 |
schestowitz | I see that readwriteweb sold out to the Monopolist | Sep 23 11:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.openinternet.gov/ | Sep 23 11:26 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: what do you think of this? http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/russian-billionaire-installs-anti-photo-shield-on-giant-yacht/ | Sep 23 11:27 |
schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8266902.stm | Sep 23 11:28 |
schestowitz | Man busy destroying nature | Sep 23 11:28 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : interesting idea | Sep 23 11:30 |
amarsh04 | schestowitz, also discovered in my adsl router: | Sep 23 11:31 |
amarsh04 | Linux version 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le (glee@homer) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release/MontaVista)) #1 Fri Oct 19 12:28:46 EST 2007 | Sep 23 11:31 |
schestowitz | http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2009/09/Reversing_the_rise_of_the_surveillance_state.aspx | Sep 23 11:32 |
schestowitz | ASPX | Sep 23 11:33 |
schestowitz | Tories -> ASP | Sep 23 11:33 |
schestowitz | And they speak about FOSS. Ha | Sep 23 11:33 |
_Hicham_ | no ASP plz | Sep 23 11:33 |
_Hicham_ | noooooooooooooooooooooo | Sep 23 11:33 |
schestowitz | ASAP | Sep 23 11:33 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: MontaVista.... | Sep 23 11:34 |
schestowitz | "ButNobodyUsesLinux....." | Sep 23 11:34 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/23/ati-radeon-hd-5870-blazes-onto-the-scene-receives-approving-nod/ | Sep 23 11:35 |
Diablo-D3 | oh sh | Sep 23 11:35 |
_Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 the bad boy, howdy ? | Sep 23 11:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Smoking bans 'cut heart attacks' - http://bit.ly/13bO7L the speed of the health dividend is interesting #health | Sep 23 11:35 | |
_Hicham_ | what a graphic card | Sep 23 11:37 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u smoke ? | Sep 23 11:37 |
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schestowitz | _Hicham_: only salmon | Sep 23 11:40 |
schestowitz | EU countries reject ban on bluefin tuna < http://www.euractiv.com/en/environment/eu-countries-reject-ban-bluefin-tuna/article-185664?Ref=RSS > | Sep 23 11:40 |
schestowitz | Idiocy. They want to drive them into extinction too | Sep 23 11:41 |
schestowitz | Man can never extinuish bacteria, so at least there'll be something to evolve from again | Sep 23 11:41 |
amarsh04 | yes schestowitz, but the adsl router vendor provided no information about gpl code in their product and didn't respond to my registered letter, so I've been in touch with some free software legal people | Sep 23 11:42 |
schestowitz | "bloody morons - shame on Spain, Malta, Italy, France, Greece and Cyprus" http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/4172944834 | Sep 23 11:42 |
schestowitz | Now, that's some way to alienate his followers | Sep 23 11:42 |
amarsh04 | many times we're ashamed of our own leaders also though | Sep 23 11:43 |
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schestowitz | http://www.euopeninternet.eu/ | Sep 23 11:46 |
schestowitz | Published Google Docs Documents To Appear In Google Search http://www.ghacks.net/2009/09/21/published-google-docs-documents-to-appear-in-google-search/ | Sep 23 11:51 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft tries buying its way into HPC. It won't work. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4027 | Sep 23 11:53 |
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_Hicham_ | senior oiaohm | Sep 23 11:58 |
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oiaohm | Diablo-D3: has got me thinking. I think both of him and CK missed why CFS is playing up to much. | Sep 23 12:03 |
oiaohm | cgroups never really get removed from CFS | Sep 23 12:03 |
oiaohm | user mode just auto assigns each user into a cgroup without needing to do anything. Now that leaves a stavation location for critical apps. | Sep 23 12:04 |
oiaohm | Swap user for process most of problem would disappear. | Sep 23 12:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yikes. A Really Nasty Ad Slips Past Google http://bit.ly/shBAT | Sep 23 12:04 | |
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Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: huh | Sep 23 12:07 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: report a bug then | Sep 23 12:07 |
oiaohm | Planing on it. | Sep 23 12:08 |
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oiaohm | Just got a little deeper digging. Maybe advistable to add the same kind of alteration inside all cgroup allocation as well. | Sep 23 12:08 |
oiaohm | Ie don't allow a single process inside a cgroup stave the others. | Sep 23 12:09 |
oiaohm | Basically I had not noticed how I was setting up my cgroups manally I was stacking a lot so preventing starvation events. | Sep 23 12:12 |
schestowitz | Buddhist Leader Says Playing Video Games Lets Out Aggression; Better Method Than Meditation http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0328396274.shtml | Sep 23 12:22 |
schestowitz | In Defense of The Book http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=OWUzNTRjMzZlN2NkN2ZhYjFkZTRiM2RjZDMzNDc1NmM= | Sep 23 12:23 |
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oiaohm | So does dancing and wood choping let out Aggression better than meditation by the way schestowitz by different Buddhist leaders over time. | Sep 23 12:25 |
DaemonFC` | hmmm | Sep 23 12:26 |
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oiaohm | Yes Buddhist leaders have said some warped things. | Sep 23 12:26 |
DaemonFC | Newegg is having a "Webinar" for Windows 7 | Sep 23 12:26 |
oiaohm | Let the slog begin DaemonFC | Sep 23 12:27 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, The top 5 downloads on Download.com for the week...... | Sep 23 12:27 |
DaemonFC | drum roll please.... | Sep 23 12:28 |
oiaohm | Does not matter I have about 50 to 60 people locally who are looking at ubuntu or mint conversion. | Sep 23 12:28 |
DaemonFC | Three antivirus, one antispyware, and Limewire | Sep 23 12:28 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 23 12:28 |
oiaohm | Great 4 to get rid of problems | Sep 23 12:28 |
oiaohm | And 1 to undo everything done by the other 4 | Sep 23 12:28 |
DaemonFC | I hate Limewire, always have | Sep 23 12:29 |
oiaohm | Legal torrents don't cause problems. | Sep 23 12:29 |
DaemonFC | and Gnutella network as well | Sep 23 12:29 |
oiaohm | You play in the illegal sections hell follows. | Sep 23 12:29 |
oiaohm | The questions is not if your machine gets infected playing in the illegal its when. | Sep 23 12:29 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, There's a lot more viruses and spyware and crap on Gnutella than any other file sharing service there is out there | Sep 23 12:30 |
oiaohm | Bittorrent currently holds the top DaemonFC | Sep 23 12:30 |
schestowitz | EU backs Google in trademark row http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8269629.stm | Sep 23 12:30 |
DaemonFC | people trying to download illegal porn and keygens | Sep 23 12:30 |
oiaohm | In volume of crap moved. | Sep 23 12:30 |
DaemonFC | not the sharpest tools in the shed | Sep 23 12:30 |
oiaohm | http://www.learningubuntu.com/articles/new-ubuntu-users-5-things-expect Good artical | Sep 23 12:32 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC: about 90 percent of infected machines own to the not smartest in shed people. | Sep 23 12:32 |
DaemonFC | I'd say that I agree with that | Sep 23 12:33 |
DaemonFC | probably 90% of more of virus infestations go to 10% of Windows users | Sep 23 12:33 |
DaemonFC | *or more | Sep 23 12:33 |
DaemonFC | people that don't know why you shouldn't have to double click an EXE file to get porn or music | Sep 23 12:34 |
DaemonFC | or people that like to go fishing for "keygens" | Sep 23 12:35 |
oiaohm | Now the other 10 percent. | Sep 23 12:36 |
oiaohm | Are smart know they have done something wrong and come and get it cured. | Sep 23 12:36 |
oiaohm | If they don't know how. | Sep 23 12:36 |
DaemonFC | I'd say that out of the remaining 10%, about 9% goes to 40% of the users | Sep 23 12:37 |
DaemonFC | and the remaining 1% is distributed among the other half of users | Sep 23 12:37 |
oiaohm | Most of the 10 percent are first time on line people. | Sep 23 12:37 |
oiaohm | Runnign anti-virus software and visit so called safe places like facebook. | Sep 23 12:38 |
oiaohm | And end up infected. | Sep 23 12:38 |
oiaohm | How where they to know facebook is part the trap from hell. | Sep 23 12:38 |
DaemonFC | well, I'm sure that Microsoft Security Essentials could prevent most of that if they could integrate it without being sued by the "protection" mafia | Sep 23 12:38 |
DaemonFC | AVG, Avast, Avira, Symantec, Kaspersky, Nod32, etc | Sep 23 12:38 |
oiaohm | Big mistake. | Sep 23 12:38 |
oiaohm | Lot of zero day attacks appear first on facebook. | Sep 23 12:39 |
DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10357723-264.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody | Sep 23 12:39 |
oiaohm | You are basically screwed no matter what you are running. | Sep 23 12:39 |
DaemonFC | Firefox gets an early taste of 3D Web standard | Sep 23 12:39 |
oiaohm | If its windows. | Sep 23 12:39 |
oiaohm | Even Linux its advistable to sandbox your webbrowser. | Sep 23 12:39 |
oiaohm | Secuirty software is 100 percent useless against zero day. | Sep 23 12:40 |
DaemonFC | the funny thing is that the last major security flaw in Linux was actually made worse by having SELinux or Apparmor | Sep 23 12:40 |
DaemonFC | which is funny as all hell | Sep 23 12:41 |
DaemonFC | it proves what I've been saying all along, that extra complications in your setup don't help security | Sep 23 12:41 |
oiaohm | Not exactly made worse. | Sep 23 12:41 |
oiaohm | Selinux shutdown infected processes. | Sep 23 12:41 |
oiaohm | So it was more disruptive. | Sep 23 12:42 |
oiaohm | Yet slowed spreed. | Sep 23 12:42 |
oiaohm | Now there is a blancing act here DaemonFC sometimes more pain to admins for less infectioned machines is worth it. | Sep 23 12:42 |
DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10356669-56.html?tag=mncol;posts | Sep 23 12:46 |
DaemonFC | Getting catty: Cougar sighted near Microsoft campus | Sep 23 12:46 |
schestowitz | This is funny: http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/29698/ | Sep 23 12:54 |
schestowitz | "Ok I listened. Good show, though enough of the suckup already. "Ooo mark we worship you!" ;)" | Sep 23 12:54 |
schestowitz | "After wading through a bunch of boring self congratulatory banter and ads, I finally got to the interview. Well actually, got so bored with the banter that I fast forwarded until I go to the interview, which as it turned out was quite unexceptional, and told us nothing we could not have read a dozen times already. I don't think I'll bother next time the not so gutsy geeks are linked to." | Sep 23 12:54 |
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DaemonFC | :) | Sep 23 12:57 |
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DaemonFC | they bagged 8 more terrorists apparently | Sep 23 13:10 |
DaemonFC | disrupted a major bombing plot | Sep 23 13:11 |
DaemonFC | hope they rot in prison | Sep 23 13:12 |
DaemonFC | they should lock these guys up and throw away the key | Sep 23 13:12 |
oiaohm | Problem is they guys doing the bombing are normally just as much victims as there targets. | Sep 23 13:14 |
schestowitz | http://www.microsplot.com/blog/2009/09/microsoft_windows_complex | Sep 23 13:14 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, yeah, I suppose a deprogrammer couldn't hurt | Sep 23 13:15 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC: most don't really know the religion they are saying they are doing it for. | Sep 23 13:15 |
oiaohm | No point killing the programmed person. You need to kill the programmer or there will be more. | Sep 23 13:15 |
oiaohm | Ie programmed person will remove themselves anyhow. | Sep 23 13:15 |
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schestowitz | NOVL news is dwindling | Sep 23 13:16 |
schestowitz | Very little going on at Novell this year, based on # of headlines | Sep 23 13:16 |
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DaemonFC | oiaohm, deprogrammer would maybe undo the brainwashing that these people got. That's what I meant | Sep 23 13:17 |
oiaohm | deprogrammer does not solve problem DaemonFC | Sep 23 13:17 |
oiaohm | Ok make the caught drones more normal. If you are deprogramming you should be after the programmer. | Sep 23 13:18 |
oiaohm | Sad part is some of the programmers are high up religious leaders. | Sep 23 13:18 |
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schestowitz | OMG http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/09/spinning-sco-defeat/ http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/08/25/the-roller-scoaster-continues-fight-with-novell-heads-to-trial/ | Sep 23 13:20 |
schestowitz | Compare pictures | Sep 23 13:20 |
trmanco | http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2/rc/1 | Sep 23 13:20 |
trmanco | yay | Sep 23 13:20 |
DaemonFC` | it's Comcastic! | Sep 23 13:20 |
DaemonFC` | :P | Sep 23 13:20 |
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oiaohm | http://blog.chromium.org/2009/09/introducing-google-chrome-frame.html I do like this. Ok lot of people have IE no problems replace the IE rendering engine. | Sep 23 13:27 |
oiaohm | So no more need to code for IE. | Sep 23 13:27 |
schestowitz | [13:28] <schestowitz> michaellarabel: I need your help. | Sep 23 13:45 |
schestowitz | [13:28] --> Gentooer has joined this channel (n=Gentooer@82.113.121.158). | Sep 23 13:45 |
schestowitz | [13:28] <michaellarabel> schestowitz: What is your problem> | Sep 23 13:45 |
schestowitz | [13:28] <schestowitz> You know the "bloated" remark? | Sep 23 13:45 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <michaellarabel> Which bloated remark? Or just in general terms | Sep 23 13:45 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <schestowitz> I'm looking past: | Sep 23 13:45 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <schestowitz> Linux 2.6.28 Kernel Benchmarks | Sep 23 13:45 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2628_benchmarks&num=1 | Sep 23 13:45 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <schestowitz> Linux 2.6.26 Kernel Benchmarks | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2626_benchmarks&num=1 | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <schestowitz> Linux 2.6.23 Kernel Benchmarks | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=872&num=1 | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <schestowitz> Linux 2.6.30 Kernel Benchmarks | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:29] <schestowitz> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2630&num=1 | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:30] <schestowitz> Linus calls Linux 'bloated and huge' | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:30] <schestowitz> During a roundtable discussion at LinuxCon in Portland, Oregon this afternoon, moderator and Novell distinguished engineer James Bottomley asked Tovalds whether Linux kernel features were being released too fast, before the kernel is stabilized. | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:30] <schestowitz> Citing an internal Intel study that tracked kernel releases, Bottomley said Linux performance had dropped about two per centage points at every release, for a cumulative drop of about 12 per cent over the last ten releases. "Is this a problem?" he asked. | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:30] <schestowitz> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linus_torvalds_linux_bloated_huge/ | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:30] <schestowitz> Does your data agree with this? | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:36] <redeeman> michaellarabel: what disk driver and disk format did you use for the kvm benchmark? | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | [13:36] <michaellarabel> schestowitz: It depends upon the area. Some areas of the kernel have slowed down while others have improved. | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: any comment? | Sep 23 13:46 |
schestowitz | I'm working on a post | Sep 23 13:46 |
oiaohm | mich was right. | Sep 23 13:47 |
oiaohm | Linux kernel is not just black and white numbers. | Sep 23 13:47 |
schestowitz | So what would be a universal measure? | Sep 23 13:47 |
schestowitz | Was Novell's James fair? | Sep 23 13:47 |
schestowitz | Or being a smartarse like Greg K-H vs Ubuntu? | Sep 23 13:47 |
oiaohm | Overall measurements are showing slowing. | Sep 23 13:47 |
schestowitz | You can disable features though | Sep 23 13:48 |
oiaohm | Ie not black and white. | Sep 23 13:48 |
schestowitz | Obviously having more hooked in will make it longer to run (more checks for stuff) | Sep 23 13:48 |
oiaohm | Altering particular settings and setting up systems different ways cause completely different performance. | Sep 23 13:48 |
schestowitz | ok | Sep 23 13:48 |
schestowitz | thanks | Sep 23 13:48 |
oiaohm | Reason why Diablo-D3 and me went head to head recently. | Sep 23 13:48 |
oiaohm | I have been using cgroups to manage my processes so avoiding lot of cfs hell. | Sep 23 13:49 |
oiaohm | Causing by auto grouping into users. | Sep 23 13:49 |
oiaohm | So I am seeing way different bench numbers to what Diablo-D3 is getting. | Sep 23 13:50 |
oiaohm | Even when we are using the same source. | Sep 23 13:50 |
schestowitz | Why is NOVL pushing CLI tricks into SLED? http://www.novell.com/communities/node/8984/hacking-slab | Sep 23 13:50 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: Its also the numbers of merges over that time. | Sep 23 13:50 |
oiaohm | Most of the indepentant trees to the main Linux kernel are no more. | Sep 23 13:51 |
oiaohm | Price of uniflying it takes quite a few versions for all the side effects to be found and corrected. | Sep 23 13:52 |
oiaohm | At some point something better in driver detection for hal searches has to be found. | Sep 23 13:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Daily Mash: #Microsoft offers students cut-price infuriating crap http://is.gd/3B5hR | Sep 23 13:53 | |
oiaohm | The merges into the Linux kernel should slow down soon schestowitz | Sep 23 13:54 |
oiaohm | You get a linux feature list it is getting fairly complete. | Sep 23 13:55 |
oiaohm | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Silk Interesting project | Sep 23 13:59 |
schestowitz | Yes, got it twice | Sep 23 14:01 |
schestowitz | Too many people see no problem with Oracle swallowing the dolphin... http://ostatic.com/blog/oracles-larry-ellison-weighs-in-on-sun-and-the-eu-and-he-should | Sep 23 14:01 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-21-028-35-OP-CY-EV-0023 | Sep 23 14:11 |
schestowitz | This is a price comparison site in Brazil: | Sep 23 14:11 |
schestowitz | http://preco2.buscape.com.br/pc.html | Sep 23 14:11 |
schestowitz | It shows Desktop PCs sold here. Today, 2009.Sep.22, it lists: | Sep 23 14:11 |
schestowitz | 318 pre-installed Linux PC models; | Sep 23 14:11 |
schestowitz | 24 pre-installed Mac OS X PCs; | Sep 23 14:11 |
schestowitz | 171 pre-installed Vista PCs and | Sep 23 14:11 |
schestowitz | 21 pre-installed Windows XP PCs. | Sep 23 14:11 |
oiaohm | Does ask some interesting questions. | Sep 23 14:18 |
oiaohm | If Linux can sell that high in that market what is wrong everywhere else. | Sep 23 14:19 |
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schestowitz | Nice USB stick: http://www.junauza.com/2009/09/weekly-ten-9-21-2009.html | Sep 23 14:21 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: in Brazil they love libre | Sep 23 14:21 |
schestowitz | Even the president is all about it | Sep 23 14:22 |
oiaohm | I am wondering how much is marketing generated fear that does not work in Brazil | Sep 23 14:22 |
oiaohm | I have seen many studies showing on adverage 20 percent of computers in businesses don't need windows. | Sep 23 14:23 |
oiaohm | Now why are businesses paying 20 percent more in software than they need to. | Sep 23 14:23 |
oiaohm | There are a lot of questions. No that many good answers. | Sep 23 14:23 |
schestowitz | http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-change-menu-icon-in-ubuntu-904.html | Sep 23 14:24 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: there are other new wins | Sep 23 14:25 |
schestowitz | Like many laptops with Linux in Spain now.. | Sep 23 14:25 |
schestowitz | I'll post links in a moment | Sep 23 14:25 |
schestowitz | There's some fun technical stuff too http://www.pmabox.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27:connect-to-a-server&catid=10:iceland-blog&Itemid=1 | Sep 23 14:26 |
oiaohm | most people of the windows users don't understand Linus very load and strange comments. | Sep 23 14:26 |
oiaohm | And use it as something bad. | Sep 23 14:26 |
oiaohm | Not seeing that Linus has to call to Developers first to get actions. | Sep 23 14:27 |
schestowitz | I'm sure Microsoft will quote it | Sep 23 14:27 |
schestowitz | Like it quotes Red Hat employees when doing the Linux Trashing presentations | Sep 23 14:27 |
schestowitz | It uses this as ammo | Sep 23 14:27 |
oiaohm | Problem here there is no such thing as bad press. | Sep 23 14:28 |
oiaohm | Just press you have not worked out how to turn into sales. | Sep 23 14:28 |
oiaohm | Yet. | Sep 23 14:28 |
oiaohm | Reason why winning businesses disreguard losing ones. | Sep 23 14:29 |
oiaohm | Pointing at losing one is just giving them free advertisement and people might go look to find out exacty if the bad press is true. | Sep 23 14:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] GPL upheld in France - in case brought by 3rd party user, not (c) holder! http://bit.ly/UeVl0 (HT @glynmoody) | Sep 23 14:31 | |
oiaohm | http://www.itworld.com/security/78462/applications-are-your-biggest-security-risks << Why items like Ubuntu win on secuirty simpler to update everything. | Sep 23 14:35 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/more-comcast-kerfuffle-the-return-of-the-dns-hijacker-random-dropped-connections-no-hd-channels/#comment-1161 | Sep 23 14:36 |
DaemonFC | never fails | Sep 23 14:36 |
schestowitz | Dropping Compiz for Mutter (Metacity 3) compositing? http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2009/09/dropping-compiz-for-mutter-metacity-3.html | Sep 23 14:38 |
oiaohm | http://www.windowsfordevices.com/c/a/News/NorhTec-Gecko-Info-Pad/ << LOL Look at the picture. | Sep 23 14:39 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 23 14:39 |
DaemonFC | that's the brownest Windows theme I've ever seen | Sep 23 14:40 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 23 14:40 |
oiaohm | Normally its always the other way over. | Sep 23 14:43 |
oiaohm | Ie Linux devices have a picture of windows because its the only one on hand. | Sep 23 14:43 |
twitter1 | ha ha, Washington State goes after M$ tax dodge. http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/22/225233/Microsoft-Tax-Dodge-At-Issue-In-Washington-State | Sep 23 14:51 |
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twitter1 | they had better hurry before the money is all gone. | Sep 23 14:52 |
DaemonFC | in a support chat with Comcast | Sep 23 14:56 |
DaemonFC | this must surely be why I have broadband | Sep 23 14:56 |
schestowitz | Just about 'Linuxed out" http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/2009/09/just-about-linuxed-out.html | Sep 23 14:56 |
DaemonFC | the ISP is always such a damned obstacle that I don't have time for anything else | Sep 23 14:56 |
oiaohm | http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=785 Hello the new game in town for video cards. | Sep 23 14:56 |
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DaemonFC | must.....protect.....crappy....braaaaaaaaand......<gasp> | Sep 23 14:59 |
oiaohm | I am looking forward to ATI and Nvidia chipsets merging on cards. | Sep 23 15:01 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, http://pastebin.com/d38363821 | Sep 23 15:02 |
DaemonFC | that's the conversation so far | Sep 23 15:02 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: which agency caught it? | Sep 23 15:03 |
DaemonFC | Radian6 again | Sep 23 15:04 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: in eWEEK, they post thew same in the Windows and Linux blog | Sep 23 15:04 |
schestowitz | It'ds hilarious that they put it with the same photo in the Windows side | Sep 23 15:04 |
schestowitz | I saw the Linux one some hours ago | Sep 23 15:04 |
oiaohm | I know schestowitz | Sep 23 15:06 |
oiaohm | I visit both. | Sep 23 15:06 |
oiaohm | I hope it becomes a trend. Press release pics more Linux than windows. | Sep 23 15:07 |
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schestowitz | OK, I'll post some news | Sep 23 15:08 |
DaemonFC | I wonder how long it takes Windows to eat 8 AA batteries | Sep 23 15:09 |
schestowitz | I'm gonna write about Comcast tonight | Sep 23 15:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'll drop them like a bad habit if FIOS ever does get here | Sep 23 15:13 |
DaemonFC | oh boy, brb | Sep 23 15:13 |
DaemonFC | tech resetting the modem | Sep 23 15:13 |
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Diablo-D3 | http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1345/timsc.jpg | Sep 23 15:14 |
Diablo-D3 | a portable tim hortons | Sep 23 15:14 |
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DaemonFC | the tech pushed the wrong button and disconnected herself | Sep 23 15:17 |
DaemonFC | oh well, at least Comcast techs aren't in control of our nuclear stockpile | Sep 23 15:17 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hundreds of Thousands of #GNU #Linux #Laptops to be Given to #Spanish Students http://bit.ly/1MCCzs | Sep 23 15:21 | |
DaemonFC | Ryan_(Wed Sep 23 2009 10:23:31 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time))> | Sep 23 15:22 |
DaemonFC | I think the line is probably 20 years old and being held together with bubble gum | Sep 23 15:22 |
DaemonFC | > | Sep 23 15:22 |
DaemonFC | that's what I think, and I've been abundantly patient with this and it's really getting on my nerves | Sep 23 15:22 |
DaemonFC | Mary> | Sep 23 15:22 |
DaemonFC | I really understand what you feel, Ryan. | Sep 23 15:22 |
schestowitz | Hahaha. | Sep 23 15:23 |
schestowitz | "Mary..." | Sep 23 15:23 |
schestowitz | Whyn not "Gerhad"? | Sep 23 15:24 |
schestowitz | *Gerhard | Sep 23 15:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxCon Talks About #GNU #Linux as Drop-in #Windows Replacement http://bit.ly/2otRVD | Sep 23 15:25 | |
DaemonFC | Mary> | Sep 23 15:26 |
DaemonFC | So rest assured, that if this would end a dispatch ticket, our field technician will be able to end up the issues that you have now. | Sep 23 15:26 |
schestowitz | Tell them to send candy | Sep 23 15:26 |
DaemonFC | Me> well, bluntly, I think everyone in the company is aware of this by now judging from how many people I've talked to, I'd really appreciate it if they could fix it or at least give me an idea of how long it will take because I'm paying for this whether it has 100% uptime or 5%, you know? | Sep 23 15:26 |
DaemonFC | Mary> I will make sure that they will definitely resolve this after creating a ticket for you, Ryan. | Sep 23 15:27 |
DaemonFC | Me> I would honestly appreciate that | Sep 23 15:28 |
DaemonFC | I've also asked her to permanently opt me out of their dns hijacker | Sep 23 15:30 |
schestowitz | Haha. I remember it | Sep 23 15:31 |
schestowitz | Like OpenDNS | Sep 23 15:31 |
schestowitz | But Comcast is CHARGING you for service | Sep 23 15:32 |
schestowitz | Looking for a buck round the corna', too | Sep 23 15:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxCon Attendants Like What They See http://bit.ly/hTCRf http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/09/22/linuxcon2009/ http://bit.ly/8VelL htt ... | Sep 23 15:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Brings #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux to #Africa http://bit.ly/hyuqC http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125367155287932855.html | Sep 23 15:33 | |
DaemonFC | exactly | Sep 23 15:39 |
DaemonFC | and opts you back in even though you told it to go away | Sep 23 15:39 |
DaemonFC | sneaky | Sep 23 15:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Version of #Bordeaux 1.8 Released http://bit.ly/s30kW | Sep 23 15:39 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ohio #LinuxFest Welcomes Attendants http://www.ohiolinux.org/node/597 | Sep 23 15:40 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Quick Look at the Desktop Sidebar in #GNOME 3 http://bit.ly/DM1Xn | Sep 23 15:41 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Silk Explained, #Amarok 2.2 Reaches RC1, #Plasma Plan Laid Out http://bit.ly/xuy0O http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2/rc/1 http: ... | Sep 23 15:43 | |
DaemonFC | Mary> I really apologize for the inconvenience that this has caused you. What I can do to really resolve this issue is to open a priority ticket for you. With this ticket, your issue will be taken cared of immediately. I will also check it from time to time for you. To further support the ticket, I will note it in our system and tag it as a top priority, Ryan. | Sep 23 15:46 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LW0ky1TIM | Sep 23 15:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat 's Attempt to Free the 'Cloud' and Its Significance http://bit.ly/72Ow | Sep 23 15:49 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Brings the Best of #SELinux http://bit.ly/rkGKX | Sep 23 15:50 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't know why they think I care if I have Comcast email | Sep 23 15:51 |
DaemonFC | everyone should know that ISP email is a trap and never to use it | Sep 23 15:51 |
DaemonFC | I got burned on that one once | Sep 23 15:51 |
DaemonFC | when I had my @sbcglobal.net email account | Sep 23 15:52 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Screenshots of the #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Installer http://bit.ly/y9n0Z | Sep 23 15:52 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: same with Phorm | Sep 23 15:53 |
schestowitz | Here in the UK they spy on you | Sep 23 15:53 |
schestowitz | They chanrge you for i-conn | Sep 23 15:53 |
schestowitz | Then they sell a history of your browsing (habits) to companies | Sep 23 15:54 |
schestowitz | To make extra profit | Sep 23 15:54 |
Diablo-D3 | speaking of browsing habits | Sep 23 15:54 |
Diablo-D3 | you know what would be an AWESOME feature? | Sep 23 15:54 |
DaemonFC | I should think that would be illegal | Sep 23 15:54 |
schestowitz | And yes, ISP mail is a trap | Sep 23 15:54 |
schestowitz | Nasty one too | Sep 23 15:54 |
schestowitz | They would not forward | Sep 23 15:54 |
DaemonFC | the FTC would put a stop to it | Sep 23 15:54 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 23 15:54 |
Diablo-D3 | if google looked at my recent search history and applied that to my current query | Sep 23 15:54 |
schestowitz | Controversial | Sep 23 15:54 |
schestowitz | Scum | Sep 23 15:54 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: probably | Sep 23 15:55 |
Diablo-D3 | but it doesnt :< | Sep 23 15:55 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: even without JS | Sep 23 15:56 |
schestowitz | Try clicking on results int he results page | Sep 23 15:56 |
schestowitz | Then trying copying the URL | Sep 23 15:56 |
schestowitz | They changed this over time | Sep 23 15:56 |
schestowitz | It's more sneaky now | Sep 23 15:56 |
schestowitz | ALso in Google News | Sep 23 15:56 |
schestowitz | SPying on habits and clicks without JS | Sep 23 15:56 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, They try to hide shit like that on page 473 of the terms of service | Sep 23 15:56 |
DaemonFC | but that doesn't usually stop the FTC from shutting them down anyway | Sep 23 15:57 |
DaemonFC | like the Sears/Kmart spyware | Sep 23 15:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] $300 Tablet/ #Subnotebooks Runs #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/Nfo74 | Sep 23 15:58 | |
DaemonFC | the FTC has taken a pretty firm stand against spyware even if you technically might have agreed to it | Sep 23 15:59 |
DaemonFC | some parts of our government work | Sep 23 15:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell to Make #GNU #Linux Applications Store for #Subnotebooks http://bit.ly/31lklY | Sep 23 15:59 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, It won't work | Sep 23 16:00 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft already mentioned that they want to gouge consumers for all they can pump them for | Sep 23 16:00 |
DaemonFC | so their apps won't be as affordable as Apple's | Sep 23 16:00 |
DaemonFC | which is ironic considering how much more affordable Microsoft usually says they are | Sep 23 16:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google #Subnotebooks Running #Linux May be Near (Out Before Christmas) http://bit.ly/e2LI8 | Sep 23 16:02 | |
DaemonFC | I would venture a guess to say that a laptop with Windows might be cheaper but it's certainly not because it has Windows on it instead of OS X | Sep 23 16:02 |
DaemonFC | the hardware is much lower quality than a Macbook | Sep 23 16:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #100,000 XOs ( #OLPC ) to be Acquired by #Rwanda http://bit.ly/Piyod | Sep 23 16:02 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft -funded #Patent Harasser #Blackboard Dumped for #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/31eXcy | Sep 23 16:05 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Shapado Takes the #FreeSoftware Route to Deliver Great Application http://bit.ly/3enUte #agpl | Sep 23 16:06 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Target Huge #Philippine Population http://bit.ly/1RehoQ | Sep 23 16:08 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #German Minister Promotes #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/wUY8j | Sep 23 16:09 | |
DaemonFC | I'm thinking this tech is in another country | Sep 23 16:14 |
DaemonFC | any bets? | Sep 23 16:14 |
DaemonFC | tried to sell me inside line protection for $4 a month | Sep 23 16:15 |
DaemonFC | how stupid do they think I am? | Sep 23 16:15 |
DaemonFC | I could replace all the inside wiring myself, completely for about $4 | Sep 23 16:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU #GPL Wins Again in #Europe -- This Time #France http://bit.ly/phipI !gnu !fsf | Sep 23 16:17 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, gedit is now my favorite text editor on Windows too :) | Sep 23 16:19 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NHS 'IT' (Microsoft/Windows) Blunder Suppressed http://bit.ly/6olPe | Sep 23 16:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenGL to Gain with Support from #Google and #Firefox (WebGL) http://bit.ly/bQJ7v | Sep 23 16:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bogus Claims Say That Changing Windows Wallpapers Cost $700k (Gary McKinnon) http://bit.ly/3jvtjt | Sep 23 16:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Lily Allen fights for "three strikes" proposal http://notnews.today.com/?p=658 | Sep 23 16:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Garbage Clogs Up The #IntellectualMonopoly System http://bit.ly/14xsRj #uspto #fail | Sep 23 16:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent #TrollTracker Walks Away Free http://bit.ly/13o4eu http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/1611326286.shtml | Sep 23 16:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] \ | Sep 23 16:35 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pirate Party Grows in France (Resisting Sarko and Hollywood) http://bit.ly/Y7tYF | Sep 23 16:37 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA to Add Intellectual Monopoly #Tax to People's Phone Bills http://bit.ly/nFd0N http://bit.ly/ADqPm | Sep 23 16:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Movement for #NetNeutrality Grows in #Europe and the US http://www.euopeninternet.eu/ http://bit.ly/JANZL http://bit.ly/GJnAc http://tec ... | Sep 23 16:41 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, it runs on Windows since not so long ago | Sep 23 16:42 |
schestowitz | But why use WIndows? | Sep 23 16:42 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, The Comcast guy is coming | Sep 23 16:42 |
DaemonFC | and he has a DOCSIS 3.0 modem just for me :) | Sep 23 16:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ex-Microsofter in #LikeWise Attacking #Samba with Patent Deals and Forks http://bit.ly/2K0FX http://bit.ly/kzfxk | Sep 23 16:47 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Microsoft Attacks Linux? "It's Their Nature" http://bit.ly/MbwXG | Sep 23 16:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Department " #Novell Inc" Helps #Zune, Spreads .NET http://bit.ly/lVO1U http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27941/1090/ | Sep 23 16:52 | |
DaemonFC | mmm, that was delicious (chicken sandwich with everything) | Sep 23 16:54 |
DaemonFC | I could eat that for every meal | Sep 23 16:55 |
DaemonFC | have to use the brown mustard though | Sep 23 16:55 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] InfoWorld Sees the End of Microsoft in the Internet http://bit.ly/19IzjB | Sep 23 16:57 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's "Creative Capitalism" is Public Looting http://bit.ly/KLWZv http://bit.ly/30jd3j | Sep 23 17:00 | |
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Will | schestowitz: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/22/225233/Microsoft-Tax-Dodge-At-Issue-In-Washington-State?art_pos=16 | Sep 23 17:05 |
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schestowitz | *LOL* Dawkins getting slammed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw | Sep 23 17:19 |
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DaemonFC | I got my DOCSIS 3 modem | Sep 23 17:30 |
DaemonFC | so that should be the last time I drop off the interwho without explanation | Sep 23 17:31 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgDI9bGQbCg&feature=related | Sep 23 17:33 |
schestowitz | You spend a lot time with modems | Sep 23 17:33 |
schestowitz | Time is worth something too | Sep 23 17:33 |
schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj_uv3tgrXM&NR=1 | Sep 23 17:35 |
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DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses | Sep 23 18:03 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I suggest you read that | Sep 23 18:03 |
DaemonFC | Muslims deal with anyone who slights them by issuing a fatwa calling for their murder | Sep 23 18:03 |
DaemonFC | murder and violence are all they actually do but when you criticize their violent nature, they cry out "We're peaceful! Leave us alone!" | Sep 23 18:04 |
DaemonFC | bullshit | Sep 23 18:04 |
DaemonFC | they act like they're actually the victim of anything but their own blood lust and tyranny | Sep 23 18:05 |
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DaemonFC | if they're not the single most violent religion in the world, I'd like to know what is | Sep 23 18:06 |
schestowitz | There's a lot of rubbish in most religious books | Sep 23 18:09 |
DaemonFC | I'd like anyone to show me one example where Islam is a religion of peace, because you cannot do it | Sep 23 18:09 |
ThistleWeb | the same could be said of many religions | Sep 23 18:11 |
DaemonFC | Where are all the Jewish and Christian terrorists? | Sep 23 18:12 |
DaemonFC | I don't mean some crazy that offed an abortion doctor | Sep 23 18:12 |
ThistleWeb | pick your period of history and you'll find them | Sep 23 18:12 |
DaemonFC | I mean organized terrorist cells that killed thousands of people in cold blood | Sep 23 18:12 |
ThistleWeb | like the Crusades you mean? | Sep 23 18:12 |
DaemonFC | in the 20th or 21st century | Sep 23 18:12 |
DaemonFC | Islam is the only religion stuck in the bronze age | Sep 23 18:13 |
ThistleWeb | ahh, so we're selecting only the times in history that support your bias then | Sep 23 18:13 |
DaemonFC | even Christians an Jews are downright enlightened in comparison | Sep 23 18:13 |
DaemonFC | *and | Sep 23 18:13 |
DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, ever heard the term "That was then and this is now"? | Sep 23 18:14 |
ThistleWeb | yeah, I'm not gonna waste any more time on this | Sep 23 18:14 |
DaemonFC | name one major religiously motivated terrorist attack in the last 200 years that was committed by anyone other than Muslims? | Sep 23 18:15 |
ThistleWeb | by "terrorist" you mean "create terror"? and "religiously motivated" meaning "God led me" you could fit a lot of the US foreign policy under that bracket, but you can't because the US are the "good guys" | Sep 23 18:16 |
schestowitz | Why is it that some people can upload over an hour of video in one go? | Sep 23 18:17 |
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schestowitz | This one is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEeBPSvcNZQ | Sep 23 18:24 |
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Omar871 | DaemonFC: You're in an urgent need to see a shrink man. | Sep 23 18:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell UK: It’s Like Singing to Empty Tables http://bit.ly/1210Pu | Sep 23 18:38 | |
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_goblin | hello all | Sep 23 18:47 |
Omar871 | _goblin: Howdy | Sep 23 18:48 |
_goblin | anything going on? | Sep 23 18:48 |
Omar871 | _goblin: Nothing more than DaemonFC yapping bull crap as usual. | Sep 23 18:49 |
_goblin | Ive had him on ignore for about a week | Sep 23 18:50 |
_goblin | it makes it so much easier to get into proper conversations. | Sep 23 18:50 |
_goblin | I think diablo has ignored him too. | Sep 23 18:50 |
_goblin | he must nearly be at the point of talking to himself. | Sep 23 18:50 |
Omar871 | _goblin: Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do too. | Sep 23 18:51 |
_goblin | I found his anti-islam tone very insulting.... | Sep 23 18:51 |
_goblin | along with his anti- everything else... | Sep 23 18:51 |
Omar871 | _goblin: Yeah, man. Very. | Sep 23 18:51 |
Omar871 | _goblin: True. | Sep 23 18:51 |
Omar871 | _goblin: What's the ignore command? | Sep 23 18:52 |
DaemonFC | Omar871, /fatwa kill | Sep 23 18:52 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 23 18:52 |
_goblin | I used the drop down option on x-chat although I think its just /ignore | Sep 23 18:52 |
_goblin | Hostmask PRIV NOTI CHAN CTCP DCC INVI UNIG | Sep 23 18:53 |
_goblin | DaemonFC!*@* YES YES YES YES YES YES NO | Sep 23 18:53 |
_goblin | DaemonFC`!*@* YES YES YES YES YES YES NO | Sep 23 18:53 |
_goblin | Sep 23 18:53 | |
_goblin | yep.... "/ignore <handle>" | Sep 23 18:53 |
Omar871 | DaemonFC: Didn't I tell you? You're hopeless. | Sep 23 18:53 |
DaemonFC | Omar871, gfy | Sep 23 18:53 |
_goblin | or just simply "/ignore" to list everyone you are ignoring. | Sep 23 18:53 |
Omar871 | _goblin: I handled that now. :) | Sep 23 18:54 |
DaemonFC | http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/ | Sep 23 18:54 |
_goblin | I don't like censorship or ignoring people.....but daemonfc proved the point that theres an exception that proves the rule. | Sep 23 18:55 |
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_goblin | Omar871: Are you from the UK? | Sep 23 18:57 |
_Hicham_ | Hi All! | Sep 23 18:57 |
_goblin | hi! | Sep 23 18:57 |
Omar871 | _goblin: Ya know, the ignore feature was tailored specially for the likes of him. | Sep 23 18:57 |
Omar871 | _goblin: Nope. :) | Sep 23 18:57 |
Omar871 | _goblin: Jordan/Palestine. | Sep 23 18:57 |
Omar871 | _Hicham_: Hey! | Sep 23 18:57 |
_goblin | u may know a friend of mine.......(sort of) | Sep 23 18:58 |
_goblin | George Galloway? | Sep 23 18:58 |
Omar871 | _goblin: Oh yes, I do. | Sep 23 18:58 |
Omar871 | _goblin: He's such a great guy. | Sep 23 18:58 |
_goblin | he's not a friend as such, Ive met him and I support him!!Been to his talks over here... | Sep 23 18:59 |
_goblin | very decent man. | Sep 23 18:59 |
Omar871 | _goblin: Yeah, he's a great person. | Sep 23 18:59 |
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schestowitz | Hey, _goblin | Sep 23 19:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Helps #Microsoft #Zune and #CodePlex Foundation Helps Novell http://bit.ly/16s5uQ | Sep 23 19:14 | |
schestowitz | When do you come up for Mancunian suns... I mean, rain? | Sep 23 19:15 |
_Hicham_ | is it raining in the UK ? | Sep 23 19:15 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/23/why-you-shouldnt-get-your-video-game-news-from-the-wall-street/ | Sep 23 19:18 |
Diablo-D3 | fail | Sep 23 19:18 |
_goblin | hi roy... | Sep 23 19:20 |
_goblin | sorry, Im having a game of PokerTH | Sep 23 19:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] North Wales Police officially claim the law is whatever they say it is http://bit.ly/aj5L9 | Sep 23 19:30 | |
_goblin | working on another Python project.....hope its better than the last..... | Sep 23 19:33 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Likewise : #Microsoft Embraces and Extends #Samba with #SoftwarePatents http://bit.ly/UjFbn | Sep 23 19:49 | |
_goblin | anyone who likes a game of Texas Holdem should check out: http://www.pokerth.net Ive been playing this for a while and its a great little distraction! | Sep 23 19:53 |
DaemonFC | this Firefox 3.7 nightly is smoking fast | Sep 23 20:05 |
DaemonFC | in many cases almost twice as fast as Firefox 3.5 | Sep 23 20:05 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 23 20:05 |
trmanco | how fast? | Sep 23 20:05 |
trmanco | great | Sep 23 20:05 |
DaemonFC | I got a Peacekeeper score of 1752 on Firefox 3.5 | Sep 23 20:06 |
DaemonFC | this Firefox 3.7 nightly scored 2556 | Sep 23 20:06 |
DaemonFC | right next to Chrome 3.0 | Sep 23 20:06 |
trmanco | heh _D | Sep 23 20:06 |
trmanco | :D | Sep 23 20:06 |
DaemonFC | it's also using about 20% less RAM | Sep 23 20:06 |
DaemonFC | it looks real good so far | Sep 23 20:07 |
DaemonFC | the final 3.7 is also going to support Aero finally | Sep 23 20:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Tax Avoidance, by the Numbers http://bit.ly/rvtnB | Sep 23 20:07 | |
DaemonFC | well, it looks like there is a browser war and Mozilla did decide to show up | Sep 23 20:08 |
DaemonFC | Firefox 3.5 is pokey compared to Chrome | Sep 23 20:08 |
DaemonFC | the only reason I was using Firefox is because of adblock plus | Sep 23 20:08 |
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DaemonFC | I really like this one http://bit.ly/4hAutZ | Sep 23 20:11 |
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_Hicham_ | where did u test Firefox 3.7 ? on Windows ? | Sep 23 20:15 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Sep 23 20:15 |
_Hicham_ | and Chrome is still faster according to the test ? | Sep 23 20:16 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, It's within the test's error margin | Sep 23 20:20 |
DaemonFC | I'd say Firefox 3.7 will be at least equally as fast as Chrome | Sep 23 20:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Live/Work in !Wolverhampton? Know of an eatery near the Connaught Hotel? Tell me, tell me now! Details at:- http://bit.ly/sPA6q | Sep 23 20:20 | |
DaemonFC | why would they mark down a $525 watch to $100 | Sep 23 20:21 |
DaemonFC | and then knock $25 off that with the Amazon coupon? | Sep 23 20:21 |
_goblin | I am still swearing by Chromium.....I won't go back to FF. | Sep 23 20:24 |
MinceR | but it's forbidden to swear! ;) | Sep 23 20:25 |
_goblin | lol.. | Sep 23 20:25 |
_Hicham_ | _goblin : do u use chromium daily ? | Sep 23 20:25 |
_goblin | ok.....I oath by Chromium | Sep 23 20:26 |
_goblin | and yeah and I use it daily. | Sep 23 20:26 |
_Hicham_ | no crashes ? | Sep 23 20:26 |
_goblin | none... | Sep 23 20:26 |
_Hicham_ | no system freeze ? | Sep 23 20:26 |
_goblin | the only thing Ive noticed, in the recent builds the ability to accept links from other packages seems to have broken | Sep 23 20:27 |
_Hicham_ | on which distro are u using it ? | Sep 23 20:27 |
_goblin | Im compiling src myself......mainly on Wolvix | Sep 23 20:28 |
_goblin | I do have it running on Ubuntu 8.04 too | Sep 23 20:28 |
_Hicham_ | how much time does it take to compile it ? | Sep 23 20:28 |
_goblin | lol....a while.... | Sep 23 20:28 |
_goblin | if I get the src in the morning... | Sep 23 20:28 |
_goblin | I will leave the machine running whilst Im at work.... | Sep 23 20:28 |
_goblin | Next build I make Ill time it. | Sep 23 20:29 |
_goblin | there are debs available though for the latest build.... .212 I think..... | Sep 23 20:29 |
_goblin | oh and the other moan I have about it....no facility to export bookmarks..... | Sep 23 20:30 |
_goblin | yet | Sep 23 20:30 |
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_goblin | you can import them ok though | Sep 23 20:30 |
_Hicham_ | and no certificates management | Sep 23 20:30 |
_Hicham_ | u have to do it manually | Sep 23 20:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest Evidence That #Microsoft is Dying on the #Internet http://bit.ly/4sh074 | Sep 23 20:30 | |
_goblin | current build I'm running on this term.... 4.0.213.0 | Sep 23 20:31 |
_goblin | I like the themes.... | Sep 23 20:31 |
_goblin | although none of them look quite right on my desktop (except the default) | Sep 23 20:31 |
_Hicham_ | it is well integrated with GTK | Sep 23 20:32 |
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_Hicham_ | it fits nicely in GNOME | Sep 23 20:32 |
_goblin | I still have FF on my systems (in case of emergency) however Ive not had to use it recently..... | Sep 23 20:32 |
_goblin | although, theres no replacing Thunderbird! | Sep 23 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | FF is a must in any machine now | Sep 23 20:33 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, Invicta has a rating of F according to the Better Business Bureau | Sep 23 20:33 |
_goblin | after talking with a few others earlier, Ive been having a little play with Alien Arena.....I forgot how much fun it was. | Sep 23 20:33 |
DaemonFC | that probably explains why Amazon is running a clearance all their merchandise | Sep 23 20:33 |
_goblin | _Hicham_ : I reckon I could live without it now.... | Sep 23 20:34 |
DaemonFC | I'm glad I saw that before I clicked to finish the order | Sep 23 20:34 |
_Hicham_ | _goblin : probably u will need it for some websites | Sep 23 20:34 |
_goblin | true..... | Sep 23 20:35 |
_goblin | although Chromium is a very interesting project and Im pleased to have seen it develop into what it is today..... | Sep 23 20:36 |
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_Hicham_ | _goblin : I don't think that Chromium will be as much extensible and customizable as FF | Sep 23 20:37 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2A6484E8CM | Sep 23 20:38 |
DaemonFC | heh | Sep 23 20:38 |
DaemonFC | con artists | Sep 23 20:38 |
Omar871 | FF FTW! | Sep 23 20:39 |
_goblin | _Hicham_ You are probably right, but the one thing I stayed well away from in FF was all the plugins....I like my software as tight as poss.... | Sep 23 20:42 |
_Hicham_ | _goblin : both approaches are right | Sep 23 20:43 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] That Which Does Not Kill Me Makes Me Stranger http://icio.us/ve2cxo amazing article on human endurance | Sep 23 20:52 | |
Omar871 | Stranger? or Stronger? | Sep 23 20:53 |
_goblin | lol...yeah I saw that... | Sep 23 20:54 |
_goblin | maybe both... | Sep 23 20:54 |
MinceR | iirc it was from one of the new Batman flicks | Sep 23 20:58 |
MinceR | The Dark Knight, perhaps | Sep 23 20:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] BBC highlights the benefits of Opensource....Will Microsoft be happy? http://twtn.net/qe4p #microsoft #windows #msoffice #xp #vista #linux | Sep 23 20:59 | |
MinceR | also, "That which does not kill you... makes you wish it had." | Sep 23 21:04 |
MinceR | (from a Q3A-themed wallpaper) | Sep 23 21:04 |
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MinceR | http://everything2.com/title/What+doesn%2527t+kill+you+can+only+%66%75%63%6B+you+up+for+a+really%252C+really+long+time | Sep 23 21:07 |
MinceR | http://everything2.com/title/That+which+does+not+kill+me%252C+makes+me+stronger | Sep 23 21:07 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting pretty intensely pissed off with the Nokia Ovi softwares inability to something as simple as backup my phone. Crash, hang, crap. | Sep 23 21:10 | |
MinceR | oh, here's the quote: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/quotes | Sep 23 21:11 |
DaemonFC | well, I just spent $500 on clothes | Sep 23 21:13 |
DaemonFC | that went pretty quickly | Sep 23 21:13 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Also, Philips, making windows a driver package that will only install if it can find some page on your website first is demented. | Sep 23 21:16 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux ‘Bloated’ Claims Came from #Novell , Debunked http://bit.ly/3DmRub | Sep 23 21:28 | |
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oiaohm | I am hoping devtmpfs makes it. Lot simpler userspace drivers in initrd if it gets in. | Sep 23 22:00 |
MinceR | what is devtmpfs? | Sep 23 22:00 |
oiaohm | devtmpfs is another way of doing the /dev directory MinceR | Sep 23 22:03 |
oiaohm | Since its a tmpfs it exists in ram. So can become active as soon as the kernel starts running in memory. | Sep 23 22:04 |
oiaohm | Does cause a few head aches for container design but they do need to be addressed at some point anyhow. | Sep 23 22:07 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The plot gets ficker: Lily Allen turns out to be a pretty big music "pirate": http://bit.ly/2lt4jx | Sep 23 22:26 | |
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trmanco | oo | Sep 23 22:36 |
trmanco | 71 emails to be filtered | Sep 23 22:36 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: did you see the post about "bloat"? | Sep 23 22:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What is ‘Club SCO’ Doing Near the Linux Foundation with Novell? http://bit.ly/NpMVU | Sep 23 22:38 | |
oiaohm | Yep schestowitz | Sep 23 22:40 |
oiaohm | http://blog.fenrus.org/?p=5 I forgot about the upcoming timechart a new tool to locate the pests causing performance problems schestowitz. So Linux developers are not taking the problem laying down. | Sep 23 22:42 |
schestowitz | _goblin: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270663.stm | Sep 23 22:42 |
oiaohm | The annoying part adding some of these tools to find performance problems also cause minor speed loss themselves. | Sep 23 22:42 |
oiaohm | Yes the deal with devil. | Sep 23 22:42 |
oiaohm | To see the problem you have to cause a speed problem. | Sep 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | _goblin: see "Broadband tax 'to be made law'" < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270772.stm > | Sep 23 22:44 |
schestowitz | Maybe they just hide copyright tax in here | Sep 23 22:44 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Yeah I saw that....since the fact that many people are up in arms about paying the BBC anyway.,...I doubt it will happen | Sep 23 22:45 |
schestowitz | _goblin: TV is facing real issues | Sep 23 22:45 |
_goblin | Broadband tax is the truth behind the filesharing plans...... | Sep 23 22:45 |
schestowitz | People move to the Web | Sep 23 22:45 |
_goblin | imo | Sep 23 22:45 |
schestowitz | Then TV tries moving to Web | Sep 23 22:45 |
schestowitz | There's no capacity | Sep 23 22:45 |
oiaohm | Cost of Virus damage has to be recovered somehow. | Sep 23 22:45 |
schestowitz | So basically they are fried | Sep 23 22:45 |
schestowitz | Like newsppaers | Sep 23 22:45 |
schestowitz | Dying business model for them and they can't force taxation for existence | Sep 23 22:46 |
_goblin | The government WILL introduce fines as part of an FPN for filesharing in the future (IMO) | Sep 23 22:46 |
_goblin | its just like speeding......a revenue collector | Sep 23 22:46 |
schestowitz | Or tax on storage devices | Sep 23 22:46 |
schestowitz | They only give people the green light to doing damages | Sep 23 22:46 |
schestowitz | As if they might as well illegally download stuff and cause security issues | Sep 23 22:47 |
schestowitz | If it's prepaid, then people might find these convenient justifications | Sep 23 22:47 |
schestowitz | It's all very corrupt | Sep 23 22:47 |
_goblin | the thing is, its at the top....the middlemen carry it out with the best of intentions...IMO | Sep 23 22:48 |
_goblin | sorry and to be PC ...... "Middlepersons" | Sep 23 22:48 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: more of the bloated FUD: http://lifehacker.com/5365396/remains-of-the-day-linux-needs-a-diet-plan-edition | Sep 23 22:48 |
schestowitz | The only bloated thing are the claims | Sep 23 22:49 |
oiaohm | Yes and no. | Sep 23 22:49 |
schestowitz | _goblin: yes, exactly | Sep 23 22:49 |
oiaohm | It is at least part correct schestowitz | Sep 23 22:49 |
oiaohm | A Linux diet plan is coming toegther. | Sep 23 22:49 |
schestowitz | You can't make it much thinner over time | Sep 23 22:49 |
schestowitz | It grows wit hardware | Sep 23 22:49 |
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schestowitz | Mac OS X too must be getting "bloated" | Sep 23 22:49 |
oiaohm | You can make it use cpu time way better schestowitz | Sep 23 22:49 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 23 22:50 |
trmanco | http://lifehacker.com/5365396/remains-of-the-day-linux-needs-a-diet-plan-edition | Sep 23 22:50 |
phIRCe | [Title] Remains of the Day: Linux Needs a Diet Plan Edition - Remainders - Lifehacker .::. Estimated Size: 0 KB | Sep 23 22:50 |
oiaohm | There is a lot of wasted cpu time. | Sep 23 22:50 |
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trmanco | http://google.com | Sep 23 22:50 |
phIRCe | [Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KB | Sep 23 22:50 |
trmanco | wtf | Sep 23 22:50 |
schestowitz | trmanco: see above | Sep 23 22:50 |
trmanco | this was just working minutes ago | Sep 23 22:51 |
schestowitz | beat you to it by minutes | Sep 23 22:51 |
trmanco | I was just testing :-P | Sep 23 22:51 |
schestowitz | A lot of people already read BN's rebuttal to it | Sep 23 22:51 |
oiaohm | Also scary linus is refering to sections equal to big kernel lock. | Sep 23 22:51 |
schestowitz | LOL | Sep 23 22:51 |
schestowitz | [22:50] <phIRCe> [Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KB | Sep 23 22:51 |
oiaohm | That need to be cleaned up. | Sep 23 22:51 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 23 22:51 |
schestowitz | trmanco: maybe your bot will become a hit in more channels | Sep 23 22:51 |
trmanco | it's giving me an error | Sep 23 22:52 |
schestowitz | Does it still police language? | Sep 23 22:52 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 23 22:52 |
oiaohm | Now sad part is MS needs a diet plan larger than the Linux one. | Sep 23 22:52 |
trmanco | in a weird way, but yeah | Sep 23 22:52 |
schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27938&Itemid=53 | Sep 23 22:52 |
phIRCe | [Title] iTWire - Ellison: Sun losing millions, keeping MySQL .::. Estimated Size: 0 KB | Sep 23 22:52 |
trmanco | the file is 0 bytes | Sep 23 22:52 |
trmanco | and it can't write to 0 bytes heh | Sep 23 22:52 |
trmanco | maybe I will have to truncate it to 1 byte on quit :-P | Sep 23 22:53 |
trmanco | http://google.com | Sep 23 22:53 |
phIRCe | [Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KB | Sep 23 22:53 |
trmanco | http://google.com | Sep 23 22:54 |
phIRCe | [Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KB | Sep 23 22:54 |
trmanco | wtf | Sep 23 22:54 |
trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Sep 23 22:55 |
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schestowitz | OSI linked to BN again... http://opensource.org/node/467 | Sep 23 22:58 |
schestowitz | http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/246/installing-wallpaper-clock-in-ubuntu-in-3-simple-steps | Sep 23 22:59 |
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trmanco | http://google.com | Sep 23 23:00 |
phIRCe | [Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 6.9 KB | Sep 23 23:00 |
trmanco | ah | Sep 23 23:00 |
trmanco | I think I know why now | Sep 23 23:00 |
trmanco | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2.0.0.20-candidates/build1/firefox-2.0.0.20.zh-TW.linux-i686.tar.gz | Sep 23 23:01 |
phIRCe | [Title] Not a web page! Aborting... .::. Estimated Size: Too big! | Sep 23 23:01 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 23 23:01 |
trmanco | http://opensource.org/node/467 | Sep 23 23:01 |
phIRCe | [Title] Open Source Software Can Save India $2 BN/year--At least! | Open Source Initiative .::. Estimated Size: 13.11 KB | Sep 23 23:01 |
trmanco | cool | Sep 23 23:01 |
trmanco | http://bit.ly/UjFbn | Sep 23 23:01 |
phIRCe | [Title] Likewise: Microsoft Embraces and Extends Samba with Software Patents? | Boycott Novell .::. Estimated Size: 106.42 KB | Sep 23 23:01 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 23 23:01 |
_goblin | hooray! | Sep 23 23:02 |
_goblin | I just got kicked from Linsux chat.... | Sep 23 23:02 |
trmanco | 10 hours of scripting | Sep 23 23:02 |
trmanco | are all around this | Sep 23 23:02 |
_goblin | I asked them to comment on Mr Wong's retraction..... | Sep 23 23:02 |
trmanco | and regexp | Sep 23 23:02 |
MinceR | http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/tmp/test.html | Sep 23 23:02 |
phIRCe | [Title] A Winnie honlapja .::. Estimated Size: 15.36 KB | Sep 23 23:02 |
MinceR | :/ | Sep 23 23:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://ping.fm/UXDon [ testing the code of @trmanco ] | Sep 23 23:02 | |
trmanco | meh | Sep 23 23:03 |
MinceR | http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/tmp/test.html | Sep 23 23:03 |
phIRCe | [Title] A Winnie honlapja .::. Estimated Size: 15.36 KB | Sep 23 23:03 |
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trmanco | lalalal lulululu http://ping.fm/UXDon meh | Sep 23 23:03 |
phIRCe | [Title] Ubuntu Karmic: The good stuff .::. Estimated Size: 33.88 KB | Sep 23 23:03 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 23 23:03 |
trmanco | ah | Sep 23 23:03 |
trmanco | I know why | Sep 23 23:03 |
trmanco | schestowitz: it won't work because it's a notice | Sep 23 23:04 |
MinceR | http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/tmp/test.html | Sep 23 23:04 |
phIRCe | [Title] A Winnie honlapja .::. Estimated Size: 15.36 KB | Sep 23 23:04 |
trmanco | MinceR: what are you trying to do? | Sep 23 23:04 |
schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8045255507.html?kc=rss | Sep 23 23:04 |
phIRCe | [Title] IBM launches Ubuntu-based distro in Africa .::. Estimated Size: 40.46 KB | Sep 23 23:04 |
MinceR | never mind | Sep 23 23:04 |
EDavidBurg | So, you guys accept donations? | Sep 23 23:04 |
trmanco | schestowitz: if you can change the bnc bot to say PRIVMSG instead of NOTICE than it will work | Sep 23 23:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] LOL, Linsux chat? 7 users in total! Linsux and its 7 users wants donations!!?!? What on earth for? #fail #microsoft | Sep 23 23:04 | |
_goblin | EDavidBurg: who me? | Sep 23 23:05 |
EDavidBurg | BN. do you guys accept donations? | Sep 23 23:05 |
schestowitz | EDavidBurg: would anyone donate? | Sep 23 23:05 |
EDavidBurg | schestowitz: I would, if you guys have donations. | Sep 23 23:05 |
trmanco | neat | Sep 23 23:05 |
_goblin | Linsux wants donations according to their "site" | Sep 23 23:06 |
schestowitz | We could set something up. Currently it's run on a donated server | Sep 23 23:06 |
_goblin | Roy, do you know EDavidBurg? | Sep 23 23:06 |
EDavidBurg | _goblin: I think they were wanting to buy an IPB license | Sep 23 23:06 |
MinceR | ew | Sep 23 23:06 |
_goblin | ah | Sep 23 23:06 |
MinceR | invision failboard isn't worth a cent | Sep 23 23:06 |
_goblin | They think it is.....all 7 users | Sep 23 23:07 |
schestowitz | EDavidBurg: we might accept donations in the future, that would be welcome, thanks | Sep 23 23:07 |
schestowitz | I've rejected donations for years because I thought it might reduce trust in us | Sep 23 23:07 |
_goblin | lol..... 7 users......Vista 7.....proof they are the MS faithful? ;) | Sep 23 23:07 |
trmanco | MinceR: you are right | Sep 23 23:07 |
oiaohm | People have short memorys. | Sep 23 23:08 |
oiaohm | All OS's look good when new. | Sep 23 23:08 |
_goblin | except Vista......exception proves rule I suppose... | Sep 23 23:08 |
oiaohm | Even Vista | Sep 23 23:08 |
oiaohm | There were people who said it was good for the first 3 months then hated it. | Sep 23 23:08 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, how long has boycottnovell been around? | Sep 23 23:09 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: PRIVMSG would trigger people's alarms in the IRC clients | Sep 23 23:09 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: since Nov 2006 (Novell deal) | Sep 23 23:09 |
trmanco | and? | Sep 23 23:09 |
trmanco | no big deal :-P | Sep 23 23:09 |
schestowitz | I did avcocacy for some time before that | Sep 23 23:09 |
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trmanco | the notice also trigger my alarm :-P | Sep 23 23:09 |
oiaohm | That is supprising to a lot of people _goblin. That people can disregard major pests for 3 months. | Sep 23 23:09 |
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trmanco | http://google.com | Sep 23 23:10 |
phIRCe | [Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 0 KB | Sep 23 23:10 |
trmanco | damn | Sep 23 23:10 |
oiaohm | Ie the idea that fault is 1 off idea and I will never see it again works for the first 3 months _goblin | Sep 23 23:10 |
_goblin | hello ldp | Sep 23 23:10 |
ldp | Hello _goblin | Sep 23 23:10 |
trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Sep 23 23:11 |
ldp | Nice joint you have here. | Sep 23 23:11 |
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EDavidBurg | ldp: drugs are bad | Sep 23 23:11 |
_goblin | for the info of this channel I believe ldp is from Linsux chat.... | Sep 23 23:11 |
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trmanco | http://google.com | Sep 23 23:11 |
phIRCe | [Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 6.88 KB | Sep 23 23:11 |
trmanco | ah | Sep 23 23:11 |
_goblin | ldp....I hope you havent left that channel....there will be only 6 users..... | Sep 23 23:11 |
trmanco | I see | Sep 23 23:11 |
schestowitz | Brilliant: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/09/bob-sutor-here-are-your-dead-ends.html | Sep 23 23:11 |
phIRCe | [Title] Blog of helios: Bob Sutor - Here are your "Dead Ends" .::. Estimated Size: 117.71 KB | Sep 23 23:11 |
oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4047 Hello They are starting the Next OS slog already and Windows 7 is not released yet. | Sep 23 23:12 |
phIRCe | [Title] All about Microsoft mobile edition .::. Estimated Size: 8.53 KB | Sep 23 23:12 |
ldp | _goblin: I have not. | Sep 23 23:12 |
trmanco | I better use a tmpfile() and not really a real file :| | Sep 23 23:12 |
_goblin | good....they need all the help they can get. | Sep 23 23:12 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: BN has a category called "Vista 8" | Sep 23 23:12 |
schestowitz | I have quite a collection of posts that show the vapourware tactics | Sep 23 23:13 |
oiaohm | and something is also up 2011? OS release. That is a full year ahead of MS time table. | Sep 23 23:13 |
schestowitz | They started this around April | Sep 23 23:13 |
oiaohm | 2012 should be at earlised next MS OS. | Sep 23 23:13 |
oiaohm | With how late Windows 7 is on release 2013 would be more like the correct place. | Sep 23 23:14 |
phIRCe | hey look at me, I can talk | Sep 23 23:14 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 23 23:14 |
oiaohm | By the time of Vista 8 Linux should be at full speed. | Sep 23 23:16 |
schestowitz | Bravo to Ken... | Sep 23 23:16 |
EDavidBurg | Isn't XP supported until 2014? I heard that somewhere | Sep 23 23:16 |
schestowitz | IBM could use some toppling for their spiel with Linux - their advocacy of software patents and use of FUD to sell only IBM's own version of Linux | Sep 23 23:16 |
oiaohm | EDavidBurg: ment to be 2012 | Sep 23 23:17 |
oiaohm | But MS has already refused to patch things in XP. | Sep 23 23:17 |
schestowitz | Disable to patch :-) | Sep 23 23:17 |
oiaohm | So I would say support for XP is ending this year. | Sep 23 23:17 |
EDavidBurg | Seems like 13 years is an awfully long time to support one OS... | Sep 23 23:17 |
EDavidBurg | 11 is still too long. | Sep 23 23:17 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe they can disable one feature per month | Sep 23 23:17 |
schestowitz | Until it's JeOS | Sep 23 23:17 |
schestowitz | Just enough OS | Sep 23 23:17 |
schestowitz | It boot | Sep 23 23:17 |
schestowitz | Disable IE6 | Sep 23 23:18 |
MinceR | what's ibm's version of linux? | Sep 23 23:18 |
schestowitz | Disable WMP... | Sep 23 23:18 |
oiaohm | Redhat MinceR | Sep 23 23:18 |
schestowitz | MinceR: mainframes with SLES | Sep 23 23:18 |
oiaohm | Opss both Redhat and SLES | Sep 23 23:18 |
MinceR | that's two conflicting answers already :> | Sep 23 23:18 |
schestowitz | Noope | Sep 23 23:18 |
schestowitz | They do several products | Sep 23 23:18 |
schestowitz | And charge a fortune for these | Sep 23 23:18 |
schestowitz | 5-figure item... | Sep 23 23:18 |
oiaohm | AIX is IBMS own UNIX. | Sep 23 23:18 |
schestowitz | No Debian | Sep 23 23:19 |
schestowitz | zseries runs Linux VMs on AIX | Sep 23 23:19 |
oiaohm | IBM will not in house there own Linux. | Sep 23 23:19 |
schestowitz | IBM uses competition outside to game the prices down | Sep 23 23:19 |
oiaohm | yet IBM sends documentent writers and maintainers out in the Linux world on different projects. | Sep 23 23:19 |
schestowitz | That's why it's said to have paid Novell to buy SUSE | Sep 23 23:19 |
schestowitz | To keep Red Hat less powerful | Sep 23 23:20 |
oiaohm | Not exactly paid in advance. schestowitz | Sep 23 23:20 |
oiaohm | IBM gave Novell an agreement to sell SUSE if they aquired it. | Sep 23 23:21 |
oiaohm | IBM don't trust Novell either. | Sep 23 23:21 |
schestowitz | New Study Reveals (Duh) Very Few People Will Pay For News Online < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0424456278.shtml > | Sep 23 23:22 |
phIRCe | [Title] New Study Reveals (Duh) Very Few People Will Pay For News Online | Techdirt .::. Estimated Size: 47.25 KB | Sep 23 23:22 |
EDavidBurg | It's amazing what studies are "needed" for | Sep 23 23:22 |
schestowitz | It helps | Sep 23 23:22 |
schestowitz | You can cite something | Sep 23 23:22 |
schestowitz | Rather than rely on gut feeling | Sep 23 23:22 |
MinceR | testing http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0424456278.shtml | Sep 23 23:23 |
phIRCe | [Title] New Study Reveals (Duh) Very Few People Will Pay For News Online | Techdirt .::. Estimated Size: 47.25 KB | Sep 23 23:23 |
oiaohm | Gut feeling can be badly wrong schestowitz | Sep 23 23:23 |
oiaohm | Its a bit like Linux maintainers wanting benchmarks to make sure there gut feeling where the problem was is right. | Sep 23 23:24 |
oiaohm | Like who would thing that it could be extreamly hard to give away 100 dollar bill in a mall just by walking up to person and offering it. | Sep 23 23:24 |
oiaohm | thing/think | Sep 23 23:25 |
oiaohm | You will most likely have to offer it to 200 people to get it taken. | Sep 23 23:25 |
EDavidBurg | well, they probably assume it's a dupe or counterfeit | Sep 23 23:25 |
oiaohm | Yet most people gut feeling would say something like that was simple todo. | Sep 23 23:26 |
oiaohm | Ie the who would not like free money logic. | Sep 23 23:26 |
oiaohm | I still like 1 billion air in this country. He does not dress rich. Ok you are rich so you can dress how ever you like. He end up having to employ a front person so he could give away money. | Sep 23 23:27 |
oiaohm | Yes stupid. | Sep 23 23:27 |
oiaohm | But its how the world works. | Sep 23 23:28 |
schestowitz | Police ready to 'take on' commenters, chief says http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/09/18/0918comments.html | Sep 23 23:28 |
phIRCe | [Title] Police ready to 'take on' commenters, chief says .::. Estimated Size: 66.04 KB | Sep 23 23:28 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: to change "Notice" I'd have to ascend to libraries above the level of twitfolk it seems... | Sep 23 23:29 |
schestowitz | I've looked at the code, it's more complicated then I thought (to modify) | Sep 23 23:29 |
trmanco | where can I have a peak? | Sep 23 23:29 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : what is the code to modify ? | Sep 23 23:30 |
schestowitz | Perl stuff | Sep 23 23:30 |
schestowitz | BNc bot | Sep 23 23:30 |
_goblin | schestowitz: "People who misrepresent themselves as officials in online comments could face civil, criminal penalties, Acevedo says." - theres already law in the UK to cover that.... | Sep 23 23:30 |
schestowitz | trmanco: peek at their svn | Sep 23 23:30 |
schestowitz | Hold on. | Sep 23 23:30 |
_goblin | Its an offence to impersonate both Police and legal rep in the UK...... | Sep 23 23:31 |
schestowitz | http://lists.bitfolk.com/lurker/message/20090726.040715.a275734f.en.html | Sep 23 23:31 |
phIRCe | [Title] [twitfolk-dev] [979] twitfolk/trunk/README: blurb .::. Estimated Size: 10.79 KB | Sep 23 23:31 |
schestowitz | https://svn.bitfolk.com/view/?rev=979&view=rev | Sep 23 23:31 |
oiaohm | http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/09/linux-game-repository-with-gui-djl.html << Ok this is getting interesting. | Sep 23 23:31 |
phIRCe | [Title] Linux Game Repository With a GUI: DJL ~ Web Upd8 .::. Estimated Size: 147.06 KB | Sep 23 23:31 |
trmanco | thanks | Sep 23 23:32 |
oiaohm | I am starting to find phIRCe annoying. | Sep 23 23:32 |
schestowitz | Why? | Sep 23 23:33 |
schestowitz | I find it informative | Sep 23 23:33 |
schestowitz | Indication of whether the link is interesting or not | Sep 23 23:33 |
trmanco | $self->privmsg() | Sep 23 23:34 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 23 23:34 |
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schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0507176281.shtml | Sep 23 23:36 |
phIRCe | [Title] Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista! Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Estimated Size: 63.98 KB | Sep 23 23:36 |
trmanco | I can't find it :| | Sep 23 23:36 |
oiaohm | Its just me. I would have done Size~: Not Estimated Size and [Title] as Title: [] are very much like shouting look at me. | Sep 23 23:36 |
oiaohm | And I don't want to be auto reading the word title over and over again. | Sep 23 23:37 |
trmanco | $self->notice('#' . $config{channel}, sprintf("[%s/\@%s] %s", | Sep 23 23:38 |
trmanco | $nick, $screen_name, encode("utf8", $text))); | Sep 23 23:38 |
trmanco | maybe change that to privmsg | Sep 23 23:38 |
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trmanco | the syntax is the same | Sep 23 23:38 |
trmanco | oiaohm: ok | Sep 23 23:39 |
trmanco | give me a moment | Sep 23 23:39 |
trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Sep 23 23:40 |
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trmanco | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0507176281.shtml | Sep 23 23:41 |
phIRCe | Title: Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista! Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.98 KB | Sep 23 23:41 |
trmanco | oiaohm: better? | Sep 23 23:41 |
oiaohm | Yes thanks trmanco | Sep 23 23:41 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 23 23:41 |
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trmanco | heh | Sep 23 23:41 |
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schestowitz | I changed the code | Sep 23 23:42 |
trmanco | ok | Sep 23 23:42 |
trmanco | test coming up | Sep 23 23:42 |
BNc | [trmanco] http://is.gd/3BTuD TEsting | Sep 23 23:42 |
BNc | [schestowitz] When trademark can become insane http://ping.fm/vPufG | Sep 23 23:42 |
phIRCe | Title: Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista! Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.98 KB | Sep 23 23:43 |
phIRCe | Title: Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista! Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.98 KB | Sep 23 23:43 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 23 23:43 |
trmanco | see | Sep 23 23:43 |
trmanco | :D | Sep 23 23:43 |
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schestowitz | It's like two bots talking to one another, which speak to Twitter API | Sep 23 23:44 |
schestowitz | And Twitter API comes from my KDE desktop or another mashup | Sep 23 23:44 |
trmanco | I finally managed to manage the bot privately | Sep 23 23:45 |
schestowitz | What's amazing is the coincidence of the two tests happening at the same time with same URL | Sep 23 23:45 |
schestowitz | I thought it was a bug in your code | Sep 23 23:45 |
trmanco | AFAIK, it won't miss a line | Sep 23 23:45 |
trmanco | but it will miss multiple links in one line | Sep 23 23:46 |
oiaohm | That is most likely a good bug. | Sep 23 23:46 |
trmanco | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/0507176281.shtml Weee http://google.com | Sep 23 23:46 |
phIRCe | Title: Frugalista! Frugalista! Frugalista! Now... Where's My Cease And Desist? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.98 KB | Sep 23 23:46 |
trmanco | it's not a bug | Sep 23 23:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/23/eminem-apple | Sep 23 23:46 |
trmanco | 404? | Sep 23 23:47 |
oiaohm | Since in my worst muching around with freenode I go 50 http:// in 1 line trmanco | Sep 23 23:47 |
schestowitz | trmanco: it contains the word "Apple" | Sep 23 23:47 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 23 23:47 |
schestowitz | Obscene word | Sep 23 23:47 |
oiaohm | Yes a few of them got one particular annoying bot out of changle the hardway. | Sep 23 23:47 |
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trmanco | my regexp is not bulletproof | Sep 23 23:47 |
*schestowitz assumes it's also a profanity filterish | Sep 23 23:47 | |
trmanco | yes | Sep 23 23:48 |
*phIRCe removes channel operator status from trmanco | Sep 23 23:48 | |
trmanco | llook | Sep 23 23:48 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 23 23:48 |
schestowitz | It will keep wallclimber from saying rude words :-p | Sep 23 23:48 |
oiaohm | Hmm | Sep 23 23:48 |
*phIRCe sets ban on trmanco.!*@* | Sep 23 23:48 | |
trmanco | LOL | Sep 23 23:48 |
trmanco | see | Sep 23 23:48 |
trmanco | nobody now who did it | Sep 23 23:48 |
wallclimber | hey! i never say bad words... :) | Sep 23 23:48 |
trmanco | nows* | Sep 23 23:48 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: not yet, you don't.... | Sep 23 23:49 |
*phIRCe removes ban on trmanco.!*@* | Sep 23 23:49 | |
wallclimber | i only say words badly... | Sep 23 23:49 |
wallclimber | lol | Sep 23 23:49 |
wallclimber | I know, if I hang around here long enough I'll start cussin'. | Sep 23 23:49 |
schestowitz | This one is embarrassing for Europe: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1555933/net-neutrality-curbed-eu | Sep 23 23:50 |
oiaohm | Worst nightmare for me would be a channel that banned due to miss spelling. | Sep 23 23:50 |
trmanco | meh | Sep 23 23:50 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: no, we're less rude than we used to be after trouble makers changes their ways | Sep 23 23:50 |
trmanco | something wrong with those 2 links | Sep 23 23:50 |
wallclimber | who is miss spelling? | Sep 23 23:50 |
wallclimber | :) | Sep 23 23:51 |
schestowitz | In 2008 [H]omer had to kick some trolls who tried to ruin the channel | Sep 23 23:51 |
oiaohm | Me and english are not friends ok wallclimber | Sep 23 23:51 |
wallclimber | :D I totally under stand | Sep 23 23:51 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: like Google's "virus" filter flagging all as malicious | Sep 23 23:51 |
trmanco | the links match | Sep 23 23:52 |
trmanco | maybe they have some bot protection | Sep 23 23:52 |
schestowitz | http://boycottxandros.com | Sep 23 23:52 |
phIRCe | Title: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.52 KB | Sep 23 23:52 |
trmanco | I have no user agent maybe it's because of that | Sep 23 23:52 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1555941/coverity-reports-scan-results | Sep 23 23:53 |
schestowitz | trmanco: maybe you b0rked something | Sep 23 23:53 |
trmanco | no | Sep 23 23:53 |
trmanco | the links match in my regular expression | Sep 23 23:53 |
trmanco | it's something on their side | Sep 23 23:54 |
trmanco | maybe they are blocking that | Sep 23 23:54 |
trmanco | wait | Sep 23 23:54 |
trmanco | http://is.gd/3BUm3 | Sep 23 23:54 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1555761/microsoft-patents-drm-scheme | Sep 23 23:54 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 23 23:54 |
trmanco | they block bots | Sep 23 23:54 |
trmanco | http://is.gd/3BUpw | Sep 23 23:55 |
phIRCe | Title: Google .::. Size~: 6.9 KB | Sep 23 23:55 |
trmanco | yep | Sep 23 23:55 |
schestowitz | Just mask it as googlebat 2.1 | Sep 23 23:55 |
schestowitz | *googlebot even | Sep 23 23:55 |
trmanco | I don't know if I can | Sep 23 23:55 |
trmanco | I'm using file_get_contents | Sep 23 23:55 |
trmanco | the only other way would be with curl | Sep 23 23:56 |
oiaohm | MS DRM scheme patent is a worry. | Sep 23 23:56 |
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schestowitz | _Hicham_: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/23/obama-and-gaddafi-address-un-videos-hit-web | Sep 23 23:56 |
phIRCe | Title: Obama and Gaddafi Address UN - Videos Hit Web | WebProNews .::. Size~: 29.2 KB | Sep 23 23:56 |
oiaohm | Don't think music schestowitz think MS Office documents. | Sep 23 23:57 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : gaddafi is the craziest president ever | Sep 23 23:57 |
schestowitz | I know, you told me | Sep 23 23:57 |
schestowitz | That's why I pinged you | Sep 23 23:57 |
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