| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Ubuntu is starting to turn into junk really | Feb 23 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | RIAAbuntu | Feb 23 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | plus the actsaul Linux programs Pidgin, Empathy, Firefox, run on other distros anyway so :D | Feb 23 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | next thing they're going to announce is that they licensed Windows Media DRM | Feb 23 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | those were just examples, loads of Linux programs that run on other distros | Feb 23 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | for their users of course | Feb 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Booz Allen just has kids to feed | Feb 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | "Gotta pay the mortgage" | Feb 23 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: anwayy loads of users who think Ubuntu is so great | Feb 23 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, They haven't seen how many hacks the kernel has in it | Feb 23 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: that they may annoy some geeks, by doing certain things, but the big noobs user base will still be big | Feb 23 00:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ishtarmuz #Monsanto & #GMO Propaganda http:// tinyurl.com/yf6rpml 2001 //<-- unfortunately 9yrs later Monsanto+GMO are still with us | Feb 23 00:02 | |
| DaemonFC | they just witness repeated system quirks and don't know why | Feb 23 00:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yep | Feb 23 00:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: means don't matter | Feb 23 00:02 |
| schestowitz | In God we trust | Feb 23 00:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: bow before the almighty | Feb 23 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, I think all the police just went by | Feb 23 00:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ....buck | Feb 23 00:02 |
| schestowitz | God is what you make of it | Feb 23 00:02 |
| schestowitz | To make people, God is self | Feb 23 00:02 |
| schestowitz | *many | Feb 23 00:03 |
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| MinceR | i doubt that | Feb 23 00:03 |
| bruce89 | sorry, Epiphany likes killing X | Feb 23 00:03 |
| MinceR | though it is for me | Feb 23 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Mandriva has a few little issues here and there, but it's pretty good for newbies | Feb 23 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | when the open source graphics drivers take over, there's going to be a lot less problems | Feb 23 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Will you use 10.04 final for a while or? | Feb 23 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | probably not | Feb 23 00:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Awesome Ubuntu Software Center updates - http://is.gd/8XNDH #ubuntu | Feb 23 00:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] We are going to get as much snow tonight as we've had all winter. It's not like what it was like when I was a kid. | Feb 23 00:05 | |
| DaemonFC | seeing where they are now, I know it's not going to end up being something I like | Feb 23 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: What will you use then? | Feb 23 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | jono_: oh software centre updates, now that I am interested in, but I hope the updates are good | Feb 23 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | probably stay with Fedora | Feb 23 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's working fine with my video card | Feb 23 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | why mess with what works? | Feb 23 00:06 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I think this might happen with 10.04, loads of the noobs think it is even better, and quite a few of the experienced users will get put off by it | Feb 23 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | few little gaps, but Catalyst on Ubuntu is slower by a factor of 4 or 5 in some areas | Feb 23 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | especially 2d acceleration | Feb 23 00:07 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: well, I suppose let that be the case, we may not like the monkeying ourselves, but surely some do | Feb 23 00:09 |
| bruce89 | my personal dislike is the translation forking ATM | Feb 23 00:09 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: if you read the comments it seems the music store has a FLAC option or might have | Feb 23 00:10 |
| bruce89 | yes, that was the thing sebsebseb was alluding to; I realised that this music is going to be in non-free formats | Feb 23 00:11 |
| oiaohm | bruce89: define when. | Feb 23 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Most of the mp3 play back patents disappear in the next 2 years. | Feb 23 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/rww/status/9498341725 | Feb 23 00:12 |
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| bruce89 | oiaohm: I see | Feb 23 00:12 |
| oiaohm | And there is no other common audio format. So win. | Feb 23 00:12 |
| bruce89 | well, that may remove the legal aspects, but still leaves moral ones | Feb 23 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Mp3 does not contain DRM. | Feb 23 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Watermarking yes. but not DRM. | Feb 23 00:13 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: see, I knew I shouldn't have bothered | Feb 23 00:13 |
| oiaohm | All the DRM file formats that haved tried to get up have mostly failed. | Feb 23 00:14 |
| bruce89 | anyway, this doesn't affect me at all | Feb 23 00:14 |
| oiaohm | About the only DRM thing that has kinda worked in audio is ipods. | Feb 23 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Biggest battle now is video. | Feb 23 00:14 |
| bruce89 | Dirac! | Feb 23 00:14 |
| oiaohm | I was meaning in usage. Not that solutions did not exist. bruce89 | Feb 23 00:17 |
| oiaohm | The battle of ODF for Office formats is going very well. | Feb 23 00:17 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Lawyers who wrote Bush torture memos not disbarred http://ur1.ca/n5u8 #douchebags | Feb 23 00:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Site back up, it turns out that my recent tweet pretty much took it down. :-) | Feb 23 00:28 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Scientists manufacture Buckypaper, sheets of electro-conductive carbon nanotubes http://ur1.ca/n5vl !science | Feb 23 00:37 | |
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| sebsebseb | jono: Yeah seems Software Centre is improving properly by your link | Feb 23 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | jono: also awesome seems to be your favourite word or something | Feb 23 00:39 |
| jono | :) | Feb 23 00:39 |
| jono | life is awesome :) | Feb 23 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | that depends on the life, a lot aren't | Feb 23 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | jono: what's Gnome experimental? | Feb 23 00:40 |
| jono | indeed | Feb 23 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | in the screenshot | Feb 23 00:40 |
| jono | just a ppa | Feb 23 00:41 |
| jono | brb | Feb 23 00:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Debate About What Represents the #GNU #Linux System http://www.locutus.us/who_is_linux_really | Feb 23 00:41 | |
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| bruce89 | ugh, I can't translate it due to it not being on GNOME git | Feb 23 00:56 |
| bruce89 | yes, the first thing I think when I see a project announcement is "have I translated that yet?" | Feb 23 00:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @pxlchick: "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." (Socrates) | Feb 23 01:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I know nothing. :-) | Feb 23 01:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Handbook being Composed Collaboratively http://ur1.ca/n60m | Feb 23 01:23 | |
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| schestowitz | bruce89: which lang? | Feb 23 01:27 |
| bruce89 | don't laugh when I say British English | Feb 23 01:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] On Wed at 11am PST / 2pm EST / 7pm UTC/GMT I will give my SCALE talk on opportunistic developers live at http://is.gd/8Y4lq #ubuntu | Feb 23 01:28 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | that's the native language of many here :) | Feb 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 23 01:31 |
| schestowitz | gn | Feb 23 01:31 |
| bruce89 | I always get an impending sense of doom when I mention en_GB | Feb 23 01:31 |
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| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: i guess some people always react | Feb 23 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: to hell with em | Feb 23 01:37 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nite | Feb 23 01:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] That *is* a tasty cupcake. | Feb 23 01:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Two 'At Home' Shows Coming Up This Week - http://is.gd/8Y9y9 #ubuntu #opportunisticdevelopers | Feb 23 01:53 | |
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| ianto | bruce89: cy_GB would be a better choice ;) | Feb 23 02:14 |
| ianto | And before you ask the _GB is neccesssary since Patagonia have their own dialect | Feb 23 02:14 |
| bruce89 | especially if no-one can disambiguate between Welsh and random characters | Feb 23 02:15 |
| ianto | Paid a^ dweud stwff fel hynny am y Gymraeg :( | Feb 23 02:16 |
| bruce89 | nplurals=4; plural= (n==1) ? 0 : (n==2) ? 1 : (n != 8 && n != 11) ? 2 : 3 | Feb 23 02:19 |
| ianto | :D | Feb 23 02:20 |
| bruce89 | good old aboriginal is so much easier, "Wagga Wagga" meaning "Crows" | Feb 23 02:20 |
| ianto | Place of crows is what Wagga Wagga means | Feb 23 02:21 |
| ianto | Lovely plural system though | Feb 23 02:21 |
| bruce89 | aw, or of course "Source of Scottish second-rows" | Feb 23 02:21 |
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| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: So I'm assuming you won't mind if we call you Bruce | Feb 23 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | saves confusion | Feb 23 02:34 |
| bruce89 | it is my name after all | Feb 23 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh | Feb 23 02:34 |
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| ianto | Why would you call him Bruce if Br+Tab makes bruce89? | Feb 23 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah, the answer to that involves a trip to the Monty Python archives | Feb 23 02:38 |
| shreddar | hey | Feb 23 02:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: hi | Feb 23 02:40 |
| shreddar | I think Google will make VP8 royalty free. If not then I think they will their On2 guy's to make a royalty free alternative. | Feb 23 02:46 |
| shreddar | It seems likely that they would start their own project rather than contribute to Xiph. | Feb 23 02:49 |
| shreddar | I'm know expert though. I didn't see the NexusOne coming after all. | Feb 23 02:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Announcing: Shot Of Jaq Publicity Bingo - wicked-cool fun spreading the word about our community - http://is.gd/8YkDu #shotofjaq | Feb 23 02:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @wtk1 VA State Delegate Bob Marshall: disabled children God's punishment 4 abortions http://bit.ly/apYZzn // also, witches shd be burned | Feb 23 03:04 | |
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| shreddar | That's messed up. | Feb 23 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | yus | Feb 23 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | basically, it's Dark Ages thinking | Feb 23 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | in 2010! | Feb 23 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | yay | Feb 23 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | looks like the past 600 years of European history have blithely passed most of the USA by | Feb 23 03:06 |
| shreddar | Or Virginia at least. | Feb 23 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not just virginia | Feb 23 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | sadly | Feb 23 03:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | look at the figures concerning Creationism | Feb 23 03:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | a good third of the country is mired in this shit | Feb 23 03:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | the echo chamber | Feb 23 03:07 |
| shreddar | What figures are you refering to? | Feb 23 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | frequent surveys on attitudes to evolution versus creationism. they come up periodically, can probably find one... | Feb 23 03:08 |
| ender2070 | I don't think the government should be funding abortion clinics | Feb 23 03:08 |
| ender2070 | the woman should keep her legs closed if she doesnt want kids | Feb 23 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: http://twitter.com/rbnmrny/statuses/9286575036 , for example | Feb 23 03:09 |
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| ender2070 | but i dont agree with that statement | Feb 23 03:09 |
| ender2070 | "Disabled kids are God's punishment (Audio added)" is bogus | Feb 23 03:09 |
| ender2070 | disabled kids are likely victims of chemicals used in various foods | Feb 23 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 23 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | or pollutants | Feb 23 03:10 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 23 03:10 |
| bruce89 | bad luck genetically speaking | Feb 23 03:10 |
| ender2070 | not some fictitious diety | Feb 23 03:11 |
| shreddar | Well that survey is asking people if they believe in evolution not if they believe in creationism. | Feb 23 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: well, take your pick, there are dozens of surveys. pick the one you agree with :) | Feb 23 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: that was a 10 second twitter search, google will turn up much more. | Feb 23 03:11 |
| ender2070 | im dont believe in evolution or creationism | Feb 23 03:11 |
| shreddar | What did you use as a query? | Feb 23 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | americans evolution | Feb 23 03:12 |
| shreddar | Evolution is actually evident but it my not be the basis for all life. Not everything can be attributed to it. | Feb 23 03:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | wait, i'll check with God... | Feb 23 03:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | he says, yep, you're right! | Feb 23 03:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | awesome | Feb 23 03:13 |
| ender2070 | shredder - i agree with you | Feb 23 03:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm, then he mumbled something about needing to kill some brown people.. probably it's martini time for him | Feb 23 03:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | honestly , i think God watches Fox half the time... | Feb 23 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | he oughta find some real news | Feb 23 03:14 |
| ender2070 | I don't think there should be state funded abortion clinics though, its only a matter of time before they pass laws to use them | Feb 23 03:14 |
| ender2070 | such as forcing abortions on people they dont think are fit to raise kids | Feb 23 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | right - removing access to safe, legal abortion is much better | Feb 23 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | it really works | Feb 23 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | those who should be raisin' kids get to raise em | Feb 23 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | that'll teach em! | Feb 23 03:15 |
| ender2070 | the people should either not get pregnant, or use adoption methods | Feb 23 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | prayer is effective, i heard | Feb 23 03:15 |
| ender2070 | im not religious | Feb 23 03:16 |
| ender2070 | in a soviet style system, being critical of the government is a mental illness | Feb 23 03:16 |
| ender2070 | such excuses will be used to force abortions, just wait | Feb 23 03:16 |
| bruce89 | this country is coming down with state-forced abortions, you're right | Feb 23 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: which country? | Feb 23 03:17 |
| bruce89 | I say with sarcasm | Feb 23 03:17 |
| ender2070 | UK is already trying to use a persons intelligence to take away their kids | Feb 23 03:17 |
| ender2070 | not saying next year or even next decade | Feb 23 03:17 |
| ender2070 | eventually it will happen | Feb 23 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: i don't see how removing access to safe, legal abortion improves that situation. | Feb 23 03:18 |
| ender2070 | abortion shouldnt be legal | Feb 23 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | so you say. | Feb 23 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | do yuo know what happens next? | Feb 23 03:18 |
| ender2070 | you legalize murder? | Feb 23 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | illegal abortions are extremely dangerous. | Feb 23 03:18 |
| ender2070 | day after pills, adoption | Feb 23 03:18 |
| ender2070 | closing their fucking legs | Feb 23 03:18 |
| ender2070 | many options | Feb 23 03:18 |
| ender2070 | condoms, the male birthcontrol pill being worked on | Feb 23 03:19 |
| ender2070 | etc | Feb 23 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | you are probably aware that none of these avenues are available to most of the world | Feb 23 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | in particular, the Catholic Church is anti-contraception | Feb 23 03:19 |
| bruce89 | hang on, something doesn't add up here | Feb 23 03:19 |
| ender2070 | US isn't "most of the world" | Feb 23 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: I am not talking about the USA | Feb 23 03:19 |
| ender2070 | and i said im not religious | Feb 23 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: I am talking about *most* of the world | Feb 23 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: and the Catholic Church retains sway over a lot of it | Feb 23 03:20 |
| ender2070 | well it shouldnt be legal in countries with options | Feb 23 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: the Church discourages contraception *and* abortion | Feb 23 03:20 |
| oiaohm | Most of the USA has no problems putting people to death. Even if lot of cases they turn out not to be guility. | Feb 23 03:20 |
| ender2070 | the church wants people to get married before sex | Feb 23 03:20 |
| oiaohm | Its like the last person the australian goverment put to death. They were incerent. | Feb 23 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: there is no death penalty in australia, who do you mean? | Feb 23 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: oh | Feb 23 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Theses days yes FurnaceBoy | Feb 23 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i know why you mean | Feb 23 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | who* | Feb 23 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | you mean the man hanged in Melbourne | Feb 23 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | whose name escapes me | Feb 23 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Yep the very last one. | Feb 23 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes he was probably innocent -- Ronald Ryan was his name? | Feb 23 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Feb 23 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes he probably was innocent. | Feb 23 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | but many executed are. | Feb 23 03:22 |
| shreddar | I should say that I believe in God and Christ. (for those that don't know already) | Feb 23 03:22 |
| oiaohm | The gulity party was found 4 years latter. | Feb 23 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right. | Feb 23 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Little bit too late. | Feb 23 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: this is sufficient to invalidate capital punishment in a civilised context | Feb 23 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: which really says all you need to know about the USA :) | Feb 23 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: so how do you feel about Marshall 's pronouncement about "God's punishment"? | Feb 23 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: your God or his God, or whose? | Feb 23 03:23 |
| shreddar | his pronouncemnet is messed up. | Feb 23 03:23 |
| oiaohm | I always like the old law china solution. | Feb 23 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: but how | Feb 23 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: where's the flaw? | Feb 23 03:24 |
| oiaohm | You kill a person you become responsable for all there responablities. | Feb 23 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: food for thought | Feb 23 03:24 |
| oiaohm | Problem is there responablities are more important that you have food. | Feb 23 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but the Chinese state kills in great numbers | Feb 23 03:25 |
| shreddar | I'd think it would be obvious what's messed up about it. | Feb 23 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: well, I don't know how a CHristian sees it | Feb 23 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: what's messed up, to a Christian? | Feb 23 03:25 |
| oiaohm | I said old law china. Not the current day stuff. | Feb 23 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: ah | Feb 23 03:25 |
| ender2070 | <FurnaceBoy> oiaohm: but the Chinese state kills in great numbers <---- the Chinese COMMUNIST state kills in great numbers | Feb 23 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: he calls himself a Christian so it's confusing | Feb 23 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that's the Chinese state | Feb 23 03:25 |
| shreddar | Um I'm a Christian not a Marshian. | Feb 23 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: communism is clearly optional, since the US states also do | Feb 23 03:26 |
| ender2070 | see the soviet story yet? | Feb 23 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: the USA states kill without being Soviet or Communist | Feb 23 03:26 |
| ender2070 | i'd highly recommend it | Feb 23 03:26 |
| ender2070 | the USA borrows a lot of soviet ideas | Feb 23 03:26 |
| ender2070 | actually | Feb 23 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | I've long studied the Soviet | Feb 23 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | I know many Russians, have been there | Feb 23 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: well, let's cut to the chase, how do *you* feel about capital punishment? | Feb 23 03:27 |
| oiaohm | Basically if you kill lets say someone who is running a store. Your resposnablity would become to make sure that store does not fail. And what ever that store makes goes either to the state or releations. So basically as well as running a store you would making nothing from. You would still have to work a job to feed self. | Feb 23 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: are you alive, amigo? | Feb 23 03:27 |
| ender2070 | watch "The Soviet Story" | Feb 23 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: how do *you* feel about capital punishment? | Feb 23 03:28 |
| ender2070 | you obviously dont know that marxist-socialism demands death | Feb 23 03:28 |
| oiaohm | Basically murder under old china law does not look that promissing. | Feb 23 03:28 |
| ender2070 | [22:21] <FurnaceBoy> ender2070: how do *you* feel about capital punishment? | Feb 23 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | why are you telling me what I don't know? | Feb 23 03:28 |
| ender2070 | i dont agree | Feb 23 03:28 |
| shreddar | From my perspective I'd say Bob Marshall's statement was evil. | Feb 23 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: but why? I'm unclear. what part of it is problematic to a Christian? He thinks he *is* a Christian | Feb 23 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: you see how confusing it is? he's a self-proclaimed Christian speaking for [his] God | Feb 23 03:29 |
| oiaohm | There are planits here that can kill a baby in mother at any stage of development. | Feb 23 03:29 |
| oiaohm | Catch is there there toxion ammount is partly random. | Feb 23 03:29 |
| oiaohm | So sometimes kills mother as well. | Feb 23 03:30 |
| oiaohm | abortions around the world had different ways of doing it. Native Australians drugs. | Feb 23 03:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | pennyroyal hehe | Feb 23 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | herbs are traditional | Feb 23 03:31 |
| oiaohm | This plaint I am talking about has pill shaped seads and all. | Feb 23 03:32 |
| shreddar | All Christian aren't going to see things the same way. I also don't believe everyone who say's they are christian really are. | Feb 23 03:32 |
| oiaohm | one will kill baby and maybe mother. 2 will for sure kill. | Feb 23 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: right | Feb 23 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: maybe this guy should think twice before taking the role of "God's" spokesman | Feb 23 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: maybe his voters like it | Feb 23 03:33 |
| ender2070 | republican | Feb 23 03:33 |
| ender2070 | of course | Feb 23 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Wish I could find a picture of them. | Feb 23 03:33 |
| oiaohm | They are a nice red and black sead | Feb 23 03:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | it doesn't seem a very intelligent thing to say, regardless of whether one is christian or not... | Feb 23 03:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe he has calculated carefully with his 'base' | Feb 23 03:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe they're not 'moderate' christians but evangelicals looking for rhetoric like this.. who knows.. | Feb 23 03:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | it seems a very short stroll from this to stoning adulterers | Feb 23 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Darn I am finding a whole stack of tasteless posion native australian plaints but not the one I am Looking for. | Feb 23 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Feb 23 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I can ask my mother, she'll know. | Feb 23 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's an Australian plant? | Feb 23 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I have a family of botanists, gardeners, and ag-scientists | Feb 23 03:41 |
| oiaohm | Northen Australia planit rain forest. | Feb 23 03:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: in fact I can write to my aunt now and see what she knows about native abortifacients | Feb 23 03:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | if she doesn't know, she'll know where to look it up | Feb 23 03:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.google.ca/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=australian+native+abortifacients&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | Feb 23 03:44 |
| oiaohm | Thing is the seads are usable for that about 30 years. | Feb 23 03:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: australian native abortifacients - Google Search .::. Size~: 30.39 KB | Feb 23 03:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | this might be promising http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121497338/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0 | Feb 23 03:44 |
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| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: this guy? http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/89.html | Feb 23 03:45 |
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| oiaohm | That would be a close releation. Very close FurnaceBoy | Feb 23 03:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | i see what you mean about appearing pill-like | Feb 23 03:48 |
| oiaohm | The ones I know are basically the same shape but almost 50/50 red/black | Feb 23 03:48 |
| oiaohm | So even more pill like. | Feb 23 03:49 |
| oiaohm | Same basic flower. | Feb 23 03:49 |
| oiaohm | Some of my releations had jewellery made out of them FurnaceBoy. | Feb 23 03:51 |
| oiaohm | What you call walking around armed without looking it. | Feb 23 03:52 |
| oiaohm | And yes the are also a Antidote to another poison that you can get from another planit in the area. | Feb 23 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Nothing liking being a pure double sided chemical. it can kill or save. | Feb 23 03:55 |
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| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: hehe | Feb 23 03:57 |
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| oiaohm | It the problem in Australia we have tones of effective posions. All tasteless all native. | Feb 23 04:09 |
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| oiaohm | Really it pointless having anti abortion laws here. Since all it would cause is a black market trade in toxic planits. | Feb 23 04:11 |
| ender2070 | its the opposite | Feb 23 04:13 |
| ender2070 | you meant here is a point in having pro abortion laws there | Feb 23 04:13 |
| ender2070 | there* | Feb 23 04:13 |
| ender2070 | bbl | Feb 23 04:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: one could make an analogy with marijuana. the fact is, people are crazy to outlaw natural agents | Feb 23 04:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: just make cultivation, harvesting etc illegal -- it's a big absurd arms race | Feb 23 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Use of the natural agent here is out lawed due to its kill risk. | Feb 23 04:15 |
| oiaohm | but its supply and demard. | Feb 23 04:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: what exactly is illegal? harvesting? growing? possession? | Feb 23 04:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: or administration? | Feb 23 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Use. At moment. | Feb 23 04:15 |
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| oiaohm | And suppling to use. | Feb 23 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm, interesting. | Feb 23 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's in Qld only, i assume? | Feb 23 04:16 |
| oiaohm | That is for Rosary Pea and releations. | Feb 23 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, well. i didn't know that. | Feb 23 04:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | ironic name | Feb 23 04:17 |
| *FurnaceBoy laughs.. on the inside | Feb 23 04:17 | |
| oiaohm | For marijuana it gets even more interesting. | Feb 23 04:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | to my knowledge Australian approach to marijuana, in the southern states, is backward. | Feb 23 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | Canada is more enlightened | Feb 23 04:18 |
| oiaohm | For medical grounds you are allowed to grow 1 planit and use it for medical. | Feb 23 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's not bad, but surely state-specific? | Feb 23 04:18 |
| oiaohm | Last time I checked no. | Feb 23 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | and it wasn't always so liberal | Feb 23 04:18 |
| oiaohm | But its only for medical grounds. | Feb 23 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah, Canada does better than this afaik | Feb 23 04:18 |
| oiaohm | you must have a doc saying you need to for treatment of pain or equal to grow it. | Feb 23 04:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes it is strictly restricted to 1 planit that kinda screws up producing seeds. | Feb 23 04:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @qu1j0t3 I own a couple of Model M's too. it's just funny that this cheap knock-off sounds so... badass. | Feb 23 04:20 | |
| FurnaceBoy | oh well. i am sure that things will liberalise eventually. | Feb 23 04:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | in Virginia, not so much hehehee | Feb 23 04:20 |
| oiaohm | marijuana market here is dieing out. As hemp ie low drug from is being produced more and more here. | Feb 23 04:20 |
| oiaohm | So police replace marijuana with hemp and let it go on way. | Feb 23 04:20 |
| oiaohm | They look the same but you really don't want to smoke hemp. | Feb 23 04:21 |
| shreddar | I think they should legalise it. It's BS that they they haven't but sigarettes and alcoholic beverages are. | Feb 23 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Basically to get high with the hemp you would have to cosume 3 tons. | Feb 23 04:22 |
| oiaohm | Ie almost no active chemical. | Feb 23 04:22 |
| oiaohm | Even more scary the hemp I am talking about is a GM crop created here in Australia. | Feb 23 04:23 |
| shreddar | Plus most organised crime depends on it being illegal. | Feb 23 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Its called killing supply., | Feb 23 04:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @davidgs VA nutjob @RobertGMarshall tries to justify his outright stupidity http://bit.ly/bp5pGA // does he mention burning witches? | Feb 23 04:24 | |
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| oiaohm | hemp will cross bread with marijuana plaints and its low drug effect is dominate. | Feb 23 04:25 |
| oiaohm | crime depends on being able to get supply. shreddar. What is happening here is supply is being destroyed. | Feb 23 04:26 |
| shreddar | Yep. | Feb 23 04:27 |
| shreddar | But they somehow always get supply. | Feb 23 04:27 |
| oiaohm | So instead of marijuana they have moved on to man made drugs. | Feb 23 04:28 |
| oiaohm | Since marijuana here is no longer a dependable drug. | Feb 23 04:28 |
| shreddar | Anyways making possesion illegal has been in effect criminalising most of the country. | Feb 23 04:29 |
| shreddar | That should definately be changed. | Feb 23 04:29 |
| oiaohm | Most here are not done for possession. | Feb 23 04:29 |
| oiaohm | You are only done for possession if you will not drop your supplier in it. | Feb 23 04:30 |
| oiaohm | I have seen a few go from a drug charge to a theift charge of nicking it from someone who was allowed to have it. | Feb 23 04:31 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the modern day party drugs are far worse. | Feb 23 04:32 |
| shreddar | I think if they legalised in they should regulate it like they do Alcohol and Cigaretts. | Feb 23 04:33 |
| oiaohm | Here in australia ciggerate rate is dropping. | Feb 23 04:33 |
| shreddar | If you give them to kids that would still be punishable. | Feb 23 04:33 |
| oiaohm | Really I would just like to see Cigaretts removed from shelf. | Feb 23 04:34 |
| oiaohm | and the anti craving drugs put in there place. | Feb 23 04:34 |
| oiaohm | It will save a fortune long term. | Feb 23 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Feb 23 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a rational change | Feb 23 04:35 |
| oiaohm | Because one of the recent studies of smokers here said 99 percent of them want to quit. | Feb 23 04:35 |
| oiaohm | and the 1 percent left over really don't want to smoke but have given up on attempt to quit. | Feb 23 04:35 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot really call smoking a will selection. | Feb 23 04:36 |
| shreddar | I don't think that would be a good idea. But they should do more to help people who want to quit. | Feb 23 04:36 |
| oiaohm | We are doing more. | Feb 23 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Note it was one of the smokers groups suggestions. | Feb 23 04:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's an interesting public health issue. as is alcohol, and other dietary problems like soda, and poor food as sold by corporates | Feb 23 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | all of which are just pointless cost and burden | Feb 23 04:37 |
| shreddar | I think all cigaretts should come in the same box design except for the name. | Feb 23 04:37 |
| shreddar | The shull and crossbones should be on them. | Feb 23 04:37 |
| oiaohm | Simple ban nicatten out right. | Feb 23 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 23 04:37 |
| shreddar | shull = skull. | Feb 23 04:37 |
| oiaohm | There are other things to make cigaretts from. | Feb 23 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Yes its possiable to make a nicatten free cigaretts | Feb 23 04:38 |
| shreddar | A ban would just have the same effect that prohibition had on alcohol. | Feb 23 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Feb 23 04:39 |
| oiaohm | Number one lot of people like drinking alcohol. | Feb 23 04:39 |
| *FurnaceBoy wonders how much tobacco is grown in Australia | Feb 23 04:39 | |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: Zero | Feb 23 04:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a bit easier to police than alcohol prohibition then | Feb 23 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 23 04:40 |
| oiaohm | They stopped growing tobacco here as soon as percent of australian tobacco requirement was removed. | Feb 23 04:40 |
| shreddar | Oh well yes I suppose for Austrailia that might be differern't. | Feb 23 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes its part of a long term goal to get rid of it. | Feb 23 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: yeah, one of the few places with natural borders | Feb 23 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: unfortunately, that works mentally too :| | Feb 23 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | present company excepted) | Feb 23 04:41 |
| shreddar | ? | Feb 23 04:41 |
| oiaohm | We have strict laws on how much adveristment tobacco can get. | Feb 23 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Basically Zero on tv and radio. | Feb 23 04:41 |
| oiaohm | All the advertisment they get is word of mouth and the boxes on display that is it. | Feb 23 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: what I mean is: the isolation is not just physical. it has a psychological effect. | Feb 23 04:43 |
| oiaohm | Yet quit smoking and items to assist quiting smoking can have almost much advertising as they like. | Feb 23 04:43 |
| oiaohm | Funny thing is what started this all off. | Feb 23 04:43 |
| oiaohm | A anti smoking group bought out ever single part of advertising space at a sporting event. | Feb 23 04:44 |
| oiaohm | And one of the smoke funded teams was threated if they did not pull out of the comp there funding would be cut. | Feb 23 04:44 |
| shreddar | Oh. I think that's cool. In an era were we have the internet and planes that can travel around the world in 2 hours that very rare. | Feb 23 04:45 |
| oiaohm | So proving the only reason they were funding sport was to push there product. | Feb 23 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: actually, neither the net nor jet travel seems to have affected this | Feb 23 04:45 |
| oiaohm | Then the goverment looks more and more and basically cut smoking out. | Feb 23 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: at least, tourism doesn't. | Feb 23 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: people return from a vacation mostly unchanged | Feb 23 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: most people don't want to engage with foreign-ness | Feb 23 04:46 |
| oiaohm | http://technorati.com/technology/article/synthetic-alcohol-the-hangover-cure/ This will most likely have to come before we can deal with alcohol. | Feb 23 04:46 |
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| oiaohm | Besides I guess you don't take notice of home brew shops and bottle shops. | Feb 23 04:47 |
| oiaohm | One needs secuirty one does not. | Feb 23 04:47 |
| oiaohm | Guess what most of the population are too lazy to brew their own. | Feb 23 04:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: they want the Disney, not the dysentery | Feb 23 04:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they're too lazy to write their own operating systems too! | Feb 23 04:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: slugs! | Feb 23 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Its human nature | Feb 23 04:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 23 04:49 |
| oiaohm | When you really look at human nature. Humans sux. | Feb 23 04:49 |
| shreddar | Yep. | Feb 23 04:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | i just realised that probably why my bank's online site is so garbage, is probably the need to stay working on IE6. | Feb 23 04:50 |
| shreddar | That will change once google takes over the internet. | Feb 23 04:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | euh | Feb 23 04:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, i will be a holdout then | Feb 23 04:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm not interested in google-ification | Feb 23 04:51 |
| oiaohm | That is one thing google does not have yet. | Feb 23 04:51 |
| oiaohm | A bank. | Feb 23 04:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Checkout | Feb 23 04:51 |
| shreddar | Not yet. | Feb 23 04:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, it would be a rather obvious contradiction to "don't be evil" | Feb 23 04:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | if anyone still takes that seriously | Feb 23 04:52 |
| shreddar | It depends on what you think is evil. I mean look at Darth Vader. | Feb 23 04:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's fiction. | Feb 23 04:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's plenty of real world evil to discuss | Feb 23 04:53 |
| shreddar | I know but that all I could think of at the time | Feb 23 04:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, just look at the headlines. | Feb 23 04:53 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/microsoft-amazon-patent-deal-covers-kindle-linux.ars Another MS patent deal. | Feb 23 04:53 |
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| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: you used the word eariler, to describe Marshall's version of Christianity | Feb 23 04:54 |
| shreddar | I know look at iRobot. | Feb 23 04:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | what's iRobot? | Feb 23 04:54 |
| shreddar | The movie. | Feb 23 04:54 |
| shreddar | The 5 laws. | Feb 23 04:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | but why discuss fiction? | Feb 23 04:54 |
| shreddar | Well that's best examples of Don't be evil going bad I can think of right now. | Feb 23 04:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Feb 23 04:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | "unintended consequences"? | Feb 23 04:55 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/05/metal_storm_works_on_irobot.html << Really be careful with term irobot it is also a weapon system. | Feb 23 04:56 |
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| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: now we're getting somewhere | Feb 23 04:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's an australian invention iirc | Feb 23 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Feb 23 04:56 |
| shreddar | Some of the worst evil is done under the best of intensions. | Feb 23 04:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: and some is just done wilfully. | Feb 23 04:57 |
| shreddar | That too. | Feb 23 04:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: remember, microsoft is an "accidental monopoly' hehehehhhehhehehehehehe | Feb 23 04:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | he only wanted to help the world... | Feb 23 04:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | "mistakes were made" bwahahahahahahaha our good intentions just were a bit too enthusiastic! | Feb 23 04:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | let us off the hook, we didn't mean it... | Feb 23 04:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: check the wikipedia page on Ronald Ryan | Feb 23 04:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: has a "may be inaccurate or unbalanced towards certain viewpoints" | Feb 23 04:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but hard to fault the first para | Feb 23 04:59 |
| shreddar | If it was a accident then they are not excused. | Feb 23 05:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: the first tactic to cover up wilful harm is to claim i didn't mean it. every four year old knows this. :) | Feb 23 05:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: then you enlist friends (media) to plead your case | Feb 23 05:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | "I shot and killed him, but really i was trying to cure his acne." | Feb 23 05:02 |
| shreddar | Then you say "Well, everyone else is doing it too!" | Feb 23 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes :) | Feb 23 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | a good one | Feb 23 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | "If I hadn't done it, somebody else would have." | Feb 23 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Gates has been known to use THIS defence. | Feb 23 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | and it's often used by apologists. | Feb 23 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Note Ronald Ryan gun FurnaceBoy | Feb 23 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Every bullet was accounted for. | Feb 23 05:05 |
| oiaohm | So he had nevered fired a shot. | Feb 23 05:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: there was a documentary in the 70s and 80s that questioned the whole shebang | Feb 23 05:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and we see that even before he died, there was widespread scepticism of his guilt | Feb 23 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Because if he had fired a shot they would have been only 6 in clip not 7. | Feb 23 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Due to the way gun works. | Feb 23 05:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: as a cause celebre he had a huge effect -- helping abolish hanging | Feb 23 05:06 |
| oiaohm | and thinking at the time that gun was one of the most common guns in the population. | Feb 23 05:06 |
| oiaohm | So most people knew there was no way. | Feb 23 05:06 |
| oiaohm | Big thing is USA system has screw up this bad but they don't get any air time. | Feb 23 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | no political will. half the population has been led to authoritarianism | Feb 23 05:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's going to take a century or two to correct this | Feb 23 05:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | if ever | Feb 23 05:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | they've cut themselves off from the moderating effect of civilisation | Feb 23 05:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's an echo chamber... look at their political circus | Feb 23 05:10 |
| shreddar | Well, how many civilisions have taken a U Turn on the authoritarianism mentality. | Feb 23 05:10 |
| shreddar | :( | Feb 23 05:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a sickness | Feb 23 05:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | it passes | Feb 23 05:11 |
| oiaohm | I guess you don't have foke heros like ned kelly either. | Feb 23 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | [11:59:13] <oiaohm> Because if he had fired a shot they would have been only 6 in clip not 7. | Feb 23 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | magazine | Feb 23 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | not clip | Feb 23 05:11 |
| oiaohm | I know less letters to type. | Feb 23 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | except it doesnt use a clip. | Feb 23 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | a clip and a magazine are two different things. | Feb 23 05:12 |
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| Diablo-D3 | so unless the gun was manufactured in the late 1800s, its very unlikely to have a clip. | Feb 23 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | well first manufactured anyways | Feb 23 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | except the m1 garand, I believe | Feb 23 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats a weird throwback | Feb 23 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | thirty odd six, clip, saw usage even up to vietnam | Feb 23 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | but then again, it used an en bloc clip instead of a stripper clip | Feb 23 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is sort of the evolutionary step between clip and magazine | Feb 23 05:14 |
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| Diablo-D3 | and a lot of m1 garands have been modified to use modern army ammunition in a magazine | Feb 23 05:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | usually 7.62 nato or similar | Feb 23 05:16 |
| *Diablo-D3 blows oiaohm's mind with useless trivia | Feb 23 05:18 | |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WWII_M1_Carbine.jpg That is from that case. Is a m1 garand releation and yes it does have a clip for loading ammo. | Feb 23 05:18 |
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| oiaohm | That you can remove ammo with as well. | Feb 23 05:19 |
| oiaohm | Basically I was happy enough to leave word pick up alone. | Feb 23 05:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: m1 carbine is, as it states, a carbine | Feb 23 05:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its not related to the m1 | Feb 23 05:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | though its quite obviously based on the m1 garand | Feb 23 05:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | the .30 carbine ammo used in that gun is basically a failure | Feb 23 05:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have about a third of the terminal impact force of the .30-06 springfield | Feb 23 05:21 |
| oiaohm | garand has a clip and no mag. carbine has both. clip for rapid loading and unloading of mag and mag. | Feb 23 05:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: carbine doesnt have "both" | Feb 23 05:22 |
| oiaohm | It has a mag loading clip. | Feb 23 05:23 |
| shreddar | I love stories like ned kelly. We have Harriet Tubman. | Feb 23 05:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: it has an overly complex magazine. | Feb 23 05:23 |
| oiaohm | Yep what kinda makes it a requirement. | Feb 23 05:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thats only some of them | Feb 23 05:24 |
| *FurnaceBoy continues doing taxes | Feb 23 05:24 | |
| oiaohm | There are still a few weapons today with mag loading and unloading clips. | Feb 23 05:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yup, but its not frequent | Feb 23 05:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: most use standard magazine designs | Feb 23 05:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically the M1 Carbine is basically the half way between nightmare. | Feb 23 05:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ones that use the bastardized clip loading design are really en bloc clips that plugs into a box | Feb 23 05:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yup | Feb 23 05:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its not in the clip family | Feb 23 05:25 |
| oiaohm | Its the clip/mag family | Feb 23 05:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Watching intro to Ground Control by Benjamin Humphrey in Lernid (also in #ubuntu-classroom) - be there! | Feb 23 05:27 | |
| oiaohm | Funny part was the logic behind the loading clip was to save time refilling the mags. | Feb 23 05:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup, which is hilarious | Feb 23 05:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | since filling a mag is damned simple | Feb 23 05:27 |
| oiaohm | Thinking that the loading clip would more often jam in the mag it self. | Feb 23 05:28 |
| oiaohm | So costing even more time. | Feb 23 05:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | now whats really interesting is | Feb 23 05:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | all those kinds of bullets are sort of dead | Feb 23 05:30 |
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| Diablo-D3 | anything 7.62 sized is pretty much dead | Feb 23 05:31 |
| oiaohm | Other than shot gun solids of course. | Feb 23 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | most militaries use 5.56 nato now | Feb 23 05:33 |
| oiaohm | 5.56 with under mounted shell firer. | Feb 23 05:33 |
| oiaohm | So what the 5.56 will not do the shell well. | Feb 23 05:33 |
| oiaohm | will | Feb 23 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: try that again in english | Feb 23 05:34 |
| oiaohm | You look at modern day weapons. The 7.62 time range the guns are single barrel. And they have to do all round. | Feb 23 05:35 |
| oiaohm | Now the modern day ones are dual barrel of some form Diablo-D3 | Feb 23 05:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have never seen a dual barrel ar-15 clone. | Feb 23 05:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie either under barrel morter or maul. | Feb 23 05:36 |
| oiaohm | Small ammouts of a way larger round. | Feb 23 05:36 |
| oiaohm | So if there is something 5.56 will have trouble with you have something larger to hit it with. | Feb 23 05:38 |
| oiaohm | You still find 7.62mm NATO in the snipper class riffles since it range. | Feb 23 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Feb 23 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | in many of those cases | Feb 23 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | you find even BIGGER stuff | Feb 23 05:45 |
| balzac | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM | Feb 23 05:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] when will Gwibber get it right? | Feb 23 06:19 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] The drug that doc gave me, driving me crazy :| , i am feeling drowsy x( | Feb 23 06:27 | |
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| schestowitz | Blach | Feb 23 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Amazon too? | Feb 23 07:41 |
| schestowitz | They got poisoned by Microsoft employees who entered them | Feb 23 07:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Leaks Show That Politicians Lie http://ur1.ca/n70a http://ur1.ca/n70c http://ur1.ca/n14q | Feb 23 07:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Boycott #Amazon http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/23/boycott-amazon/ the company decides to pay Microsoft for GNU/Linux | Feb 23 08:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Rename, rename... ♺ @techdirt: Did The UK Gov't Back Down On Three Strikes... Or Did It Just Change What It Called It? http://dlvr.it/2TVW | Feb 23 08:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @greve: If you don't find truth in Dilbert, you haven't been in business long enough, me thinks... http://ur1.ca/n71o | Feb 23 08:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] in Scotland "buzz" is something kids do in parks with aerosol cans to get a cheap high if they can't get dope or alcohol | Feb 23 08:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Study: #Microsoft #Windows Botnets Costing Millions Per Enterprise http://ur1.ca/n7hq New estimates of the cost | Feb 23 09:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The whole patent system is broken beyond repair: http://i5.be/avY | Feb 23 09:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] installed ubuntu on USB stick on Dy Director (IT) Rajasthan Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan :) #foss #rajasthan | Feb 23 09:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | I spent the last 5 hours with a migraine watching all the pretty lights and occasionally waking up to puke all over the place on the way to the bathroom. I think that entire large salad came back up. | Feb 23 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Does patents really matter when the world is being flooded with fakes. schestowitz | Feb 23 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | I got lucky though, I thought I was about to go into a seizure | Feb 23 09:47 |
| oiaohm | So you were not smart enough to have a bucket with you while having migraine or did it just come on too fast. DaemonFC | Feb 23 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | well, I've only ever had one other migraine and I didn't throw up | Feb 23 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | this one was like, I went to get water and take a couple pain pills | Feb 23 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | puked in the sink | Feb 23 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | that was fun to clean up, but after one shot there I ran to the toilet | Feb 23 09:50 |
| oiaohm | So lack of experience with migraines | Feb 23 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 23 09:51 |
| oiaohm | You just learnt the hard way. | Feb 23 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | the second time I had a mop bucket by my bed | Feb 23 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | I think that was the other half of what I ate yesterday | Feb 23 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Migraines are sometimes triggered by something you ate. Or it could just been that it was just in the wrong section of brain. | Feb 23 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie did you eat anything out of normal. | Feb 23 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | just a big salad off the pizza hut salad bar | Feb 23 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | bacon bits and onions taste better going down | Feb 23 09:53 |
| oiaohm | Ok so could have been a minor case of food poisoning. | Feb 23 09:53 |
| oiaohm | bacon bits coming back up are just pure nasty. | Feb 23 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | now I'm starving and nothing is open for 4-5 hours | Feb 23 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | and I need to take some more pills | Feb 23 09:54 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have no eggs | Feb 23 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Scrambled eggs is not too bad on taste on the way back up if it don't stay down. | Feb 23 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | I usually just eat fast food | Feb 23 09:55 |
| oiaohm | I cannot get away with that. If I just eat fast food I end up sick in about 3 to 4 weeks. | Feb 23 09:56 |
| oiaohm | The trap of being lactose intolerant. Ok not exactly intollerant. I end up with a white cell count that make a aids person look healthy. | Feb 23 09:57 |
| oiaohm | So I guess you don't even have my backup food rice. Ok not exactly the best to have to throw up but it better than starving. | Feb 23 09:58 |
| oiaohm | With my work I have a big bad habit here of getting home after the fast food joints close. | Feb 23 09:59 |
| oiaohm | As well. I have a lot of tin food combinations + rice that work quite well. | Feb 23 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, scrambled eggs, toast with butter and strawberry jam, and bacon sounds really good now | Feb 23 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | of course most things do :) | Feb 23 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | including some morphine | Feb 23 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | can you spare some? :) | Feb 23 10:04 |
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| oiaohm | Not like it would get to you any time soon DaemonFC | Feb 23 10:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe you show symptoms of being pregnant :-p | Feb 23 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | YOU DID THIS TO ME!!!! | Feb 23 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | MY MOTHER WAS RIGHT AOUT YOU!!! | Feb 23 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 23 10:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] One more reason not to buy a #Amazon 's #Kindle (if DRM wasn't enough): don't pay #Microsoft Tax on Innovation #swpat http://bit.ly/cHcftv | Feb 23 10:22 | |
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| cubezzz | now what? | Feb 23 10:22 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-for-the-US-authorities-937686.html Hmm | Feb 23 10:23 |
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| cubezzz | ffmpeg isn't in the repositories for f12.. weird | Feb 23 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's in RPM Fusion | Feb 23 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | The feds are using Ubuntu? | Feb 23 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | Wonder if MS sues the feds for violating the 235 MS patents | Feb 23 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 23 10:27 |
| cubezzz | how about the feds just break up Microsoft? | Feb 23 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | that would be nice | Feb 23 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | they broke up AT&T for less than MS has done | Feb 23 10:28 |
| cubezzz | exactly | Feb 23 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | UNIX lived on, competition improved it | Feb 23 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see them sanction Microsoft and force them to disclose the inner workings of Windows as public domain specifications | Feb 23 10:30 |
| cubezzz | if it wasn't for the AT&T break-up we might not even have Linux now | Feb 23 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | that would funny | Feb 23 10:30 |
| cubezzz | or just have the OEMs grow some balls | Feb 23 10:30 |
| cubezzz | none of this one laptop BS | Feb 23 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | Dell has back stepped on their Ubuntu deal | Feb 23 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a couple laptops that have survived | Feb 23 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | no desktops | Feb 23 10:31 |
| cubezzz | Dell just isn't cutting it | Feb 23 10:32 |
| cubezzz | I think Acer was better | Feb 23 10:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] bleh 2.0 x( | Feb 23 10:32 | |
| DaemonFC | I think they saw Ubuntu as a way to beat some price concessions out of Microsoft | Feb 23 10:32 |
| cubezzz | I think deep down Dell doesn't like Microsoft | Feb 23 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | it was never properly supported anyway | Feb 23 10:33 |
| cubezzz | but they are cowardly | Feb 23 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | you call Dell and tell them you want an Ubuntu laptop, they won't know what you're saying | Feb 23 10:33 |
| cubezzz | Toughbooks are the way to go, I've studied the situation | Feb 23 10:33 |
| cubezzz | and there's tons of used toughbooks floating around | Feb 23 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | do they sell them with a no OD option? | Feb 23 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | *OS | Feb 23 10:34 |
| cubezzz | no, but you can easily buy used | Feb 23 10:34 |
| cubezzz | then just remove the doze sticker | Feb 23 10:34 |
| cubezzz | problem solved | Feb 23 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd buy a no-OS Dell maybe | Feb 23 10:34 |
| cubezzz | my CF-48 works perfectly and it's better than any Dell for quality | Feb 23 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's not hard to pop a Linux disc in there and get going | Feb 23 10:35 |
| cubezzz | I know I don't want a netbook | Feb 23 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | plus I understand that Dell modifies Ubuntu in some ways | Feb 23 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | not clear on the extent of that | Feb 23 10:36 |
| cubezzz | I'm still holding out for an ARM something | Feb 23 10:36 |
| cubezzz | some sort of GNU/Linux ereader would be nice too | Feb 23 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | Dell and Ubuntu use a security exploit in X to enable some features on their touchpad | Feb 23 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 23 10:36 |
| cubezzz | weird | Feb 23 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | Matthew Garret of Red Hat commented on that | Feb 23 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | he said the Dell Ubuntu thing is a craptacular deal cause all they've done is re-implement drivers that already exist and use a security exploit in X to enable touchpad features | Feb 23 10:38 |
| cubezzz | that does sound crappy | Feb 23 10:38 |
| cubezzz | again, Ubuntu... meh | Feb 23 10:38 |
| cubezzz | definitely not the best choice, probably I like F10 the best or just mod whatever | Feb 23 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Garrett is a pretty smart guy. | Feb 23 10:39 |
| cubezzz | I believe in Red Hat | Feb 23 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | I was having ACPI issues with my BIOS and sent him a copy of the ROM. | Feb 23 10:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Takes Over #Yahoo Search to Increase Brainwash of the Public http://ur1.ca/n7x9 #Canonical should drop the deal | Feb 23 10:40 | |
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| cubezzz | even Linus uses Fedora | Feb 23 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | He not only worked around it and put it in Fedora | Feb 23 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | he pushed it into the mainline kernel | Feb 23 10:40 |
| cubezzz | you must realize people do like to hack and add functionality | Feb 23 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | so now that AMI BIOS bug is fixed for everyone with that hardware | Feb 23 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | even if their OEM doesn't release a BIOS patch | Feb 23 10:41 |
| cubezzz | well you need to have specs | Feb 23 10:41 |
| cubezzz | otherwise it's very painful | Feb 23 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | 3 lines of code fixed such hell :) | Feb 23 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | it was kind of too simple in the end | Feb 23 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | Now if you have an AMI BIOS, there will be a printk that says something like "AMI BIOS Detected. BIOS May corrupt Low RAM, working around it. | Feb 23 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | and the kernel will ignore what's in the first 64k of RAM | Feb 23 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | The nature of a BIOS seems to be that you can't trust anything they say and they're only really meant to "work" with Windows | Feb 23 10:44 |
| cubezzz | you know, for my own web pages, elinks works quite nice | Feb 23 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | but sometimes they even crash Windows | Feb 23 10:44 |
| cubezzz | I'm bucking the trend here, using firefox less and less | Feb 23 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Lot of bios problems start from MS so called bios test program. | Feb 23 10:44 |
| cubezzz | much much faster | Feb 23 10:45 |
| cubezzz | I have AMI bios | Feb 23 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | Linux actually gave up telling the BIOS it's Linux in 2.6.9 | Feb 23 10:45 |
| cubezzz | no problems | Feb 23 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | it now tells it it is every version of Windows at once, lol | Feb 23 10:45 |
| cubezzz | that's a good reason to get rid of that bios | Feb 23 10:46 |
| cubezzz | use coreboot | Feb 23 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Linux can still be set by boot loader to say Linux. | Feb 23 10:46 |
| cubezzz | forget this microsoft crap | Feb 23 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Really why does bios has to know about OS. | Feb 23 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Why can it not just list the features it has. | Feb 23 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | Linux says it supports all ACPI extensions of every version of Windows | Feb 23 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Then let the OS deal with it. | Feb 23 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | and tries to implement ACPI support compatible with Windows | Feb 23 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Linux can also load its own ACPI tables from disk and disreguard the bios ones as well. | Feb 23 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | it causes less problems than responding that it is Linux | Feb 23 10:47 |
| cubezzz | newest elinks ftw | Feb 23 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Ie fixing up acpi support for Linux does not mean flashing bios. | Feb 23 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | there's spam bots managing to put porn on Youtube now | Feb 23 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they can post it faster than it gets deleted | Feb 23 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | What, with all those zombie Windows boxes out there | Feb 23 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Wonder how many of those are saying there browser is IE. | Feb 23 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | IE 6 on Windows XP | Feb 23 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Feb 23 10:50 |
| oiaohm | I would not be suppriesed if they are not just remoting IE | Feb 23 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | I don't get it. Microsoft deprecates service pack levels. Why do they "have to" support old IE? | Feb 23 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | they're still supporting IE 5 | Feb 23 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I think the funniest thing in IE 6 was the "Platform for Privacy Preferences" (P3P) | Feb 23 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | like the idea was that you could control cookies based on what the bad guys said they would do with them | Feb 23 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | even though nothing in their "privacy poliy" was binding | Feb 23 10:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: EU Commission: right to control personal data only makes sense in consumer role http://is.gd/8ZphO Dare not distrust th state | Feb 23 11:06 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Lost Nazi nuke-project uranium found in Dutch scrapyard http://ur1.ca/n7zv !science | Feb 23 11:07 | |
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| schestowitz | InfoWorld is still trolling Linux http://www.pcworld.com/article/189969/google_android_is_doomed_to_selfdestruct.html | Feb 23 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | New York Times: "adore more technical products that would overwhelm normal people (Linux). " | Feb 23 11:17 |
| schestowitz | More of the same myths | Feb 23 11:17 |
| schestowitz | "too difficult to use" myth | Feb 23 11:17 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Ron Paul at CPAC on C-SPAN http://ur1.ca/n80k #awesome | Feb 23 11:17 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Campaign For Liberty — Ron Paul at CPAC on C-SPAN! .::. Size~: 39.31 KB | Feb 23 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think this is the first PC I've had which does not depend on any proprietary drivers | Feb 23 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Feb 23 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | those always cause some kind of practical problems later | Feb 23 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | What about firmware? | Feb 23 11:34 |
| schestowitz | My shaver ain't working again, damn it | Feb 23 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Third time in 4 months! | Feb 23 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Who knows | Feb 23 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | How do I see if that's loaded? | Feb 23 11:36 |
| schestowitz | There's that stallman tool | Feb 23 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I could try to boot Ututo or something, see if it comes up and what works | Feb 23 11:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] GOD , i hate these powerpoint presentations, i want to do something cool than listening to them. Decided! will start writing more code :-) | Feb 23 11:42 | |
| DaemonFC | it seems the biggest problem wit the distributions that do that stuff is that they're full of old and unmaintained software | Feb 23 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | BLAG is basically Fedora 9 | Feb 23 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | gnewsense is down at number 83 on distrowatch | Feb 23 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | obviously not high demand for it | Feb 23 11:46 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Free software developer wins over license violation trial http://bit.ly/bR3lB9 | Feb 23 11:47 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: FOSS devs can collect damages from license violators .::. Size~: 28.46 KB | Feb 23 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | They're also off on the idea that i386 distributions are cool | Feb 23 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | 2003 called..... | Feb 23 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://wiki.gnewsense.org/ForumMain/X8664WouldIncreaseInerestToGnewsense | Feb 23 11:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: gNewSense Wiki : Free as in freedom | ForumMain / X8664WouldIncreaseInerestToGnewsense | browse .::. Size~: 11.11 KB | Feb 23 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | still not X86-64 | Feb 23 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | *no | Feb 23 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's 2010, how can a distro not have an X86-64 option? | Feb 23 11:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] http://www.PORDATA.pt alega respeitar WAI-A WCAG 1.0 mas exige Flash para as coisas interessantes. #fail | Feb 23 11:50 | |
| schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=oompah_loompah_google_y_do&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Feb 23 11:50 |
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| DaemonFC | I could understand it when this arch wasn't over half the demand for Linux | Feb 23 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | But it is now, and the FSF, as usual, needs to blow the dust off it | Feb 23 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora considered Pre-Pentium II unimportant enough to re-base everything on i686 | Feb 23 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | and if it detects a 64-bit CPU you still get a 64-bit kernel | Feb 23 11:52 |
| Aondo | damn i wasnt aware that ms has made 600 deals like that one with amazon, since 2003 | Feb 23 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | you have to explicitly override the 32-bit Fedora installer and tell it to use a 32-bit kernel | Feb 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Aondo: 600?? | Feb 23 11:55 |
| schestowitz | They made patent deals, but few involved Linux | Feb 23 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, that's what BN was made to address | Feb 23 11:56 |
| Aondo | schestowitz i just know what digi.no say tho. it only state that it has done deals "like this" since 2003 and it counts to 600 | Feb 23 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Problem is all MS Patent deals are secret | Feb 23 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Redhat has never refused to make a patent deal with MS. But Redhat will not sign on blind faith. | Feb 23 12:00 |
| oiaohm | IE MS must list patents to have a chance of getting redhat. | Feb 23 12:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] M$ corrupting DU education #delhi #foss #illl http://bit.ly/czMc8U | Feb 23 12:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.huntingtoncountytab.com/community/2036/st-peter-lutheran-offer-computer-classes | Feb 23 12:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: St. Peter Lutheran to offer computer classes | the Huntington County TAB - Huntington, Indiana Newspaper .::. Size~: 17.64 KB | Feb 23 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Feb 23 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | Teach people to depend on Windows and Office | Feb 23 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's the Christian thing to do | Feb 23 12:04 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Feb 23 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think Jesus added that in as the 11th commandment or something | Feb 23 12:04 |
| cubezzz | I think Martin Luther would disagree :) | Feb 23 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | and when the Roman computer network crashed, thats why they executed him | Feb 23 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/29/science/30computecnd.html | Feb 23 12:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.54 KB | Feb 23 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | the Romans had analog computers on their ships | Feb 23 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Gosh | Feb 23 12:06 |
| schestowitz | I'm getting tired of idiots press | Feb 23 12:06 |
| schestowitz | "Google continues to punish Microsoft in search, taking some 70% of the market. " http://www.thenumerati.net/index.cfm?postID=535 | Feb 23 12:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft's anti-Google weapon: Open-source Bing - Stephen Baker - The Numerati .::. Size~: 20.36 KB | Feb 23 12:06 |
| schestowitz | It's NOT 70%!! | Feb 23 12:07 |
| schestowitz | That's Microsoft lies | Feb 23 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Google has well over 90% | Feb 23 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's "US-only"="world" lie | Feb 23 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Christian-imposed Dark Ages, science and technology have been on pause for at least 1,600 years | Feb 23 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | think about that for a moment | Feb 23 12:09 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/22875244 | Feb 23 12:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Jan Wildeboer (jwildeboer) 's status on Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:34:12 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.2 KB | Feb 23 12:11 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz MSFT as Linux Reseller #3 WW - Canonical should partner with them! ;-)" | Feb 23 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I especially liked how Canoncial/Ubuntu ignored the bitching of the vast majority yet again and just bowled over their users with Yahell. Kind of shows that they're not usability-focused. | Feb 23 12:13 |
| schestowitz | IDG: "Open source code is generally free on the surface, but it's not without obligations. It comes laden with licensing and copyright conditions which are enforceable by law -- sometimes with dire effects for users who are not careful to validate the origin and any associated obligations of all software components in their products. " | Feb 23 12:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/news/tech/2010/022210-tech-update.html | Feb 23 12:14 |
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| DaemonFC | I dont's think I speak for the minority when I say that Ubuntu users by and large, don't want a WMA store bolted on | Feb 23 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Be afraid! | Feb 23 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | *don't | Feb 23 12:14 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean by "Again"? | Feb 23 12:15 |
| schestowitz | You mean the GIMP thing? | Feb 23 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Where they ignored the majority? | Feb 23 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | another case of that, yes | Feb 23 12:15 |
| schestowitz | When else? | Feb 23 12:15 |
| schestowitz | OOo in UNR... they did listen | Feb 23 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | most users also hated indicator-applet and notify-OSD | Feb 23 12:15 |
| schestowitz | And they changed the decision | Feb 23 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Mono | Feb 23 12:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't know of Ubuntu-only polls re Mono | Feb 23 12:16 |
| schestowitz | General one showed 73% against it | Feb 23 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, GNOME has been extensively modified for Ubuntu | Feb 23 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | normal GNOME won't even build | Feb 23 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | you need patches from Debian and Ubuntu to make normal GNOME build and run | Feb 23 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | that should NEVER be happening | Feb 23 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | granted they're not the only distro patching GNOME, but I don't think Fedora modifications go well over 100 patches | Feb 23 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu: Out of tree patches for make glorious migraine for users. | Feb 23 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 23 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Fedora avoids patching where they can. | Feb 23 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Upstreaming is a strict Fedora policy. | Feb 23 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Non upstreaming of patches starts in Debian. | Feb 23 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | yes, Fedora is usually more stable than Ubuntu, overall | Feb 23 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Gets worse in Ubuntu | Feb 23 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably related to their aversion to gratuitous patching | Feb 23 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | The only time a patch in Fedora is out of tree is when it's been submitted upstream | Feb 23 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | and the patch is dropped if upstream rejects it | Feb 23 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | so rejected patches are not long lived, Fedora doesn't have a collection of thousands, like Debian/Ubuntu does | Feb 23 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Fedora was not always that way. | Feb 23 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Redhat learnt the leason the hardway. | Feb 23 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Out of tree patches eqauls more and more work. | Feb 23 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | The hard way being that as they snowball, it's much harder to maintain them all | Feb 23 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | yes? | Feb 23 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | Why does Dbian persist? | Feb 23 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | *Debian | Feb 23 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Debian logic is a bit more sane than Ubuntu's. | Feb 23 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Debian backports secuirty patches. | Feb 23 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | well, that makes sense | Feb 23 12:23 |
| oiaohm | On the logic that changing versions increase risk of breaking application compadiblitiy. | Feb 23 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | upstreams support dies off much shorter than Deban releases | Feb 23 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | so that's justified | Feb 23 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Feb 23 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Items that are ABI compadible back porting patching is really taking risks. | Feb 23 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think there's anyone maintaining Linux 2.6.26 | Feb 23 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | or GNOME 2.22 | Feb 23 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | or Firefox 3 | Feb 23 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | is Firefox 3 still in support? | Feb 23 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Firefox 2 still has patches from mozilla | Feb 23 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | I know a lot of what's in Debian is EOL upstream | Feb 23 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | so they have to patch it or upgrade it | Feb 23 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Lot that debian patches should be just upgraded. | Feb 23 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | and they patch it | Feb 23 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Due to the fact the newer version is ABI compadible. | Feb 23 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, But then their goal of not ripping out the rug from under their users would be lost | Feb 23 12:25 |
| oiaohm | And breaking of the patches will be the same as if they use the never version. | Feb 23 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Problem is you still rip the rug out from under users feet. | Feb 23 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | Debian releases are frozen barring bug fixes for a reason | Feb 23 12:25 |
| oiaohm | backporting patches. | Feb 23 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Just its harder for the user to see so. | Feb 23 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I imagine they can cherry pick | Feb 23 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they backport the patches that they need | Feb 23 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Even so they regullary get it wrong. | Feb 23 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | you pull in Linux 2.6.32, you pull in lots of new bugs | Feb 23 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | if you cerry pick critical patches, you are more stable long term | Feb 23 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | I would think | Feb 23 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | *cherry | Feb 23 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Feb 23 12:27 |
| oiaohm | The result is you end up with more and more unique code. | Feb 23 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be more in favor of Debian as a server over Fedora | Feb 23 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | but Fedora makes a better desktop | Feb 23 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | desktop users constantly need new features, new drivers, etc | Feb 23 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Redhat server or centos server does not have Fedora development patches. | Feb 23 12:28 |
| oiaohm | So are more stable. | Feb 23 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | but servers typically run for years in a known good configuration | Feb 23 12:28 |
| oiaohm | The more standard kernel at OS core the better ksplice can apply patches to it as well. | Feb 23 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, RHEL is backports | Feb 23 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | same principle | Feb 23 12:29 |
| oiaohm | RHEL are selective. | Feb 23 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | I know for sure that nobody is still supporting Linux 2.6.18 and GNOME 2.16 upstream | Feb 23 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | that's all on Red Hat | Feb 23 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Like you will not patch like libpng or libjpeg due to the fact they are binary compadible. | Feb 23 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | and they obviously have resources to handle that | Feb 23 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Redhat provides kernel updates for old distributions. | Feb 23 12:30 |
| oiaohm | So for support you would not be running 2.6.18 | Feb 23 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, most of the kernel is 2.6.18, but they backport new drivers | Feb 23 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | bug and security fixed | Feb 23 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | *fixes | Feb 23 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | it has KVM and Xen and Hyper-V (Guest) support | Feb 23 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Current one of Redhat is the last stable. | Feb 23 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | they're on 5.4 I think | Feb 23 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie not 2.6.32 but the one before that. | Feb 23 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | they merge in thousands of updates at once | Feb 23 12:31 |
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| DaemonFC | ohhh, 5.5 now :) | Feb 23 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | CentOS takes about a month to catch up | Feb 23 12:32 |
| oiaohm | 2.6.27.45 Oldest current stable Linux kernel. DaemonFC | Feb 23 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | 2.4 is patched now and then | Feb 23 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 23 12:34 |
| oiaohm | 2.4.37.9 Yep | Feb 23 12:34 |
| oiaohm | These are all 2010 releases | Feb 23 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | 2.4 is useful on embedded things and old PCs | Feb 23 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Its been a fair while since 2.6.18 has been one of the stables. | Feb 23 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | 2.6.16 was the long term stable | Feb 23 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | before 2.6.27 | Feb 23 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | updates to 2.6.16 went up to .65 I think :) | Feb 23 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | it got some love for a good long time | Feb 23 12:37 |
| oiaohm | 2.6.16.62 close. DaemonFC | Feb 23 12:38 |
| oiaohm | I just looked it up on git. | Feb 23 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | 03/20/2006 - 07/21/2008 | Feb 23 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | so almost 2.5 years | Feb 23 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is about normal. | Feb 23 12:40 |
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| oiaohm | That is why I see it as such a nightmare what Ubuntu is doing to 2.6.32 | Feb 23 12:40 |
| oiaohm | They have 2.5 years of patches it intergrate in over the life. | Feb 23 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora will be going to .33 as soon as it's out I'm sure | Feb 23 12:41 |
| oiaohm | And stripping there 2.6.32 back to a standard. | Feb 23 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | Life would be a lot easier if they just kept up with the mainline kernel | Feb 23 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | not worry about modding it | Feb 23 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Fedora has a reason. | Feb 23 12:42 |
| oiaohm | They are testing development patches. | Feb 23 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | That's one reason I like Fedora | Feb 23 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Its not called a testing distribution for no good reason. | Feb 23 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | carpet bombs you with new feature within the current version | Feb 23 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Just a few happen to be land mines | Feb 23 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | well, landmines beat too old to work with my hardware | Feb 23 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | which is what I get from Ubuntu | Feb 23 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | or even when my GPU works with 10.04, I have to wait til 10.10 is out to get a Mesa or X.org upgrade | Feb 23 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | so I get shitty support for 6 months | Feb 23 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeehaw | Feb 23 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | Or I can do Fedora and watch it go from decent support to good support (current), to awesome support by May | Feb 23 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | I dunno, I'm impatient and I'd rather have my hardware working now as opposed to waiting 9 months | Feb 23 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not giving birth to the fucking thing | Feb 23 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's in my PC now | Feb 23 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Problem is creating drivers makes giving birth look like a fast process. | Feb 23 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | AMD has released most everythin on the R700 haven't they? | Feb 23 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Full specs for R700 are released. | Feb 23 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Its just the hard job of turning that into drivers. | Feb 23 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Particular when you know that part of that is creating a bytecode to native gpu complier. | Feb 23 12:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Spreading FOSS everywhere http://post.ly/PCoJ | Feb 23 12:52 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Spreading FOSS everywhere - LUG@IITD Community Blog .::. Size~: 27.87 KB | Feb 23 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Resize a window with Compiz turned on with the latest Catalyst vs the latest x.org radeon + Mesa | Feb 23 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | then tell me which one you like better | Feb 23 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX can't handle window content repainting | Feb 23 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | just blows its mind | Feb 23 12:54 |
| Eruaran | One of my collegues at work installed the current Kubuntu 9.10 alpha today | Feb 23 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | it updates like once ever 2 seconds | Feb 23 12:55 |
| Eruaran | He installed Firefox and literally scremed when he saw a Yahoo! home page | Feb 23 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | they rate Compiz support as Gold on the free drivers | Feb 23 12:55 |
| Eruaran | :p | Feb 23 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rate it Bronze on FGLRX | Feb 23 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | because it works somewhat and you can't rate something that "just barely works" as garbage on these scales | Feb 23 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX is most find with Games, but Compiz totally fucks with it | Feb 23 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | you might even succeed in crashing X | Feb 23 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | *fine | Feb 23 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Oddly, I still have problems with KDE 4.4, I must be the last person in the universe to | Feb 23 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason my webcam totally misbehaves if I use it in KDE, doesn't matter what program, or Flash, and sometimes the module dies | Feb 23 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | I can reset the contrast, brightness, saturation, etc. as much as I want and the next time I reboot or open another program, it goes back to looking like I'm on LSD | Feb 23 13:01 |
| DaemonFC | 6 months of poking around will turn up that it's a 5 second fix or something | Feb 23 13:01 |
| oiaohm | There are still a few odd bugs in KDE 4.4 | Feb 23 13:03 |
| oiaohm | But compared to the early KDE 4.2 and before its basically there. | Feb 23 13:03 |
| cubezzz | it's just too slow | Feb 23 13:05 |
| cubezzz | on older hardware | Feb 23 13:05 |
| oiaohm | You mean on non GPU hardware. cubezzz | Feb 23 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | if it wasn't for that damned unexplainable webcam thing, I'd be on KDE 4.4 now for sure | Feb 23 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | I use it too much to figure out why it's KDE's fault and if I can fix it | Feb 23 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Its mostly coming from QT | Feb 23 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | even when I use the damned thing in Flash? | Feb 23 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | the webcam's internal settings are not respected by KDE | Feb 23 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | even Cheese malfunctions in this way under KDE | Feb 23 13:09 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, maybe, I don't know the panasonic toughbook hardware too precisely | Feb 23 13:09 |
| cubezzz | it was slow on a 1.8 ghz machine | Feb 23 13:09 |
| cubezzz | overly elaborate, in my opinion | Feb 23 13:10 |
| oiaohm | I have KDE on a system 1.8 with Nvidia graphics card and it works. | Feb 23 13:10 |
| oiaohm | I have also tryed it with weaker drivers on other systems the same size. | Feb 23 13:10 |
| oiaohm | and yep it don't work. | Feb 23 13:10 |
| cubezzz | it's ATI something radeon I think | Feb 23 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's your problem | Feb 23 13:11 |
| cubezzz | so in any case you are all in binary blob land | Feb 23 13:11 |
| cubezzz | I bet your not on nouveau | Feb 23 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | ATI cards will work just fine in Fedora 13 I'm sure | Feb 23 13:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Phonon in QT could be setting on your webcam so driving you up wall. | Feb 23 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | if not when it releases, then a couple months later when it gets Mesa 8 | Feb 23 13:12 |
| oiaohm | I am in binary blob land because it works well at this stage. | Feb 23 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, It looks like I'm on the sun | Feb 23 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 23 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just accept that there's the odd game I can't run than accept the totally awful FGLRX performance in everything | Feb 23 13:13 |
| oiaohm | I will look at ATI as the open source drivers get good. | Feb 23 13:13 |
| cubezzz | needing a CPU just to run your WM doesn't seem ideal to me | Feb 23 13:13 |
| cubezzz | Eruaran, GPU | Feb 23 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, That depends largely on Mesa at this point | Feb 23 13:13 |
| cubezzz | what the heck? :) | Feb 23 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | which is imporving rapidly | Feb 23 13:13 |
| cubezzz | what happened there | Feb 23 13:13 |
| cubezzz | Eruaran, GPU | Feb 23 13:14 |
| cubezzz | again.... er GPU | Feb 23 13:14 |
| Eruaran | ? | Feb 23 13:14 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.4 has not really worked on software mode yet. | Feb 23 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | look for ATI cards kicking ass when Mesa 8.0 is out | Feb 23 13:14 |
| cubezzz | it's some kind of auto-completion, sorry :) | Feb 23 13:14 |
| Eruaran | been AFK | Feb 23 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Also mesa software mode still sux bad cubezzz | Feb 23 13:14 |
| cubezzz | I wanted to type E R :) | Feb 23 13:14 |
| cubezzz | er | Feb 23 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | 7.8 git is getting me close enough for now | Feb 23 13:14 |
| cubezzz | ok, what I was trying to say, it's not ideal to REQUIRE a GPU just to run your windows manager | Feb 23 13:15 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.4 is depending on opengl shaders a lot. | Feb 23 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/log/ | Feb 23 13:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library .::. Size~: 23.66 KB | Feb 23 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's Mesa development as it happens | Feb 23 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Really its strange but it can work out as less power usage cubezzz. | Feb 23 13:15 |
| oiaohm | To use cpu and gpu. | Feb 23 13:16 |
| cubezzz | I can run kde 3.4.2 without GPU on P3 | Feb 23 13:16 |
| cubezzz | so that's what I use | Feb 23 13:16 |
| oiaohm | In time you will be able to do that with kde 4 as well. | Feb 23 13:16 |
| cubezzz | anyone run KDE on ARM? :) | Feb 23 13:16 |
| oiaohm | But mesa has to improve. cubezzz | Feb 23 13:16 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure you are right | Feb 23 13:16 |
| oiaohm | opengl shader language converted to the correct cpu you using. | Feb 23 13:17 |
| Eruaran | I think I saw a clip on YouTube where a guy was running KDE on an arm device | Feb 23 13:17 |
| oiaohm | So the rendering section will push the best out your hardware that way. cubezzz | Feb 23 13:17 |
| Eruaran | a kind of recent one | Feb 23 13:17 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @dandart: "0xFEE1DEAD ("feel dead") is used as a magic number in the !Linux reboot system call." | Feb 23 13:17 | |
| cubezzz | one thing, I'm not sure I can find the source for older KDE | Feb 23 13:17 |
| cubezzz | I compiled 3.4.2 a while ago | Feb 23 13:17 |
| Eruaran | Why 3.4? | Feb 23 13:18 |
| cubezzz | it runs good on my machine | Feb 23 13:18 |
| cubezzz | dual p3 550 | Feb 23 13:18 |
| oiaohm | The older KDE also will start losing to KDE 4.4 as DRI 2 become more common as well cubezzz | Feb 23 13:18 |
| Eruaran | Not 3.5.10 or something? | Feb 23 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Even on those older systems. cubezzz | Feb 23 13:18 |
| cubezzz | it was new when I compiled it :) | Feb 23 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Because 3.4 kde does a lot of internal mesess covering up for dri 1 issues. cubezzz | Feb 23 13:18 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Feb 23 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Basically 3.4 line is dead man walking. | Feb 23 13:19 |
| Eruaran | I'm running KDE SC 4.4.0 on an i5 with 4GB RAM and GTS250 GPU at the moment | Feb 23 13:19 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, not if I have the source :) | Feb 23 13:19 |
| Eruaran | Its not mine, I've put it together for someone | Feb 23 13:20 |
| cubezzz | I'm rather disappointed in GNOME now :-/ | Feb 23 13:20 |
| cubezzz | do you think I could compile 3.5.10 for fc1? | Feb 23 13:21 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.4 can take advantage of KMS and dri2 for sending data to screen cubezzz | Feb 23 13:21 |
| oiaohm | So avoiding have to swap to X11 server to display stuff. | Feb 23 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Fedora also patched most daemons running as root not need full root privileges to run | Feb 23 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | that's one of the more important security steps I've seen in a distro lately | Feb 23 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | between all the security steps Fedora takes, I imagine it would be very difficult to subvert remotely | Feb 23 13:24 |
| cubezzz | kde 3.4.2 source seems to have disappeared off the net | Feb 23 13:24 |
| oiaohm | The root issue is one of the major reasons why DRI2 has to die. | Feb 23 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Its still in the git of KDE cubezzz | Feb 23 13:24 |
| oiaohm | or svn. | Feb 23 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Ok what is KDE usign. | Feb 23 13:24 |
| cubezzz | cvs? :) | Feb 23 13:25 |
| cubezzz | dunno | Feb 23 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Kubuntu Lucid will have KDE 3.5.10+ (+ meaning heavily patched to still work) unofficially | Feb 23 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | it works as well as can be expected in Karmic, given its age | Feb 23 13:25 |
| cubezzz | yes but can one run kde 3.5.10 on 2.4 kernel? | Feb 23 13:25 |
| cubezzz | and old gcc? | Feb 23 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | Who cares? | Feb 23 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I don't. :) | Feb 23 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Really you should avoid old gcc's. | Feb 23 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Unless you are very careful. | Feb 23 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | old GCCs are insecure and have awful "optimizations" | Feb 23 13:27 |
| cubezzz | gcc 3.3.2 | Feb 23 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | so bad that Linux would stop gcc 3.2 from TRYING to optimize it | Feb 23 13:27 |
| cubezzz | still everyone shouldn't delete the source code | Feb 23 13:28 |
| cubezzz | rather careless of me not archiving it | Feb 23 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | probably best to delete it | Feb 23 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | lest someone might use it to distribute bad software | Feb 23 13:29 |
| cubezzz | can you see the problem with that type of thinking? | Feb 23 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | nothing in the GPL says that you MUST archive crappy old versions of your software | Feb 23 13:30 |
| cubezzz | nothing in the GPL | Feb 23 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | GCC is crappy, it's old, and they should be too ashamed to host it | Feb 23 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 23 13:31 |
| cubezzz | my point is, when new shiny Linux comes out, it might run like a turtle on older machines, or not at all | Feb 23 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, that's probably the storyline leading to the deletion | Feb 23 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | GCC 3.2 | Feb 23 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | GCC hasn't started to work well until version 4 | Feb 23 13:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica FROM THE VAULTS: Cheney discovered to have a heart http://is.gd/906hY | Feb 23 13:32 | |
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| cubezzz | see, that's why stuff like older lgp games and loki games go extinct | Feb 23 13:33 |
| cubezzz | no one has the older compilers and libraries, so nothing is ever modded | Feb 23 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | nothing should require the older compiler | Feb 23 13:34 |
| cubezzz | oh really? :) | Feb 23 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | the first mod they should make is to make it GCC 4.x compatible | Feb 23 13:34 |
| cubezzz | you say that but you never tried to compile stuff like that | Feb 23 13:34 |
| cubezzz | many have tried, none have succeeded | Feb 23 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | crappy proprietary software dies because it relies old crappy old compiler from 2002? | Feb 23 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | yay! | Feb 23 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | if they made the Loki installers GPL, there'd be someone maintaining them today | Feb 23 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | proprietary software tends to be like leaving in your will "Fuck it, bury it all with me!" | Feb 23 13:36 |
| cubezzz | not just proprietary software, parts of KDE itself die too | Feb 23 13:37 |
| cubezzz | no one updates kooka for example | Feb 23 13:37 |
| cubezzz | but it works well enough | Feb 23 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, if there's enough of a use case for something, and a FOSS license attached, someone will maintain it | Feb 23 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | so those parts of KDE must not be all that useful | Feb 23 13:38 |
| cubezzz | I use it | Feb 23 13:39 |
| cubezzz | every day | Feb 23 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | do enough other people care about it to maintain it? | Feb 23 13:39 |
| cubezzz | probably not, it works so there's no huge reason to modify it | Feb 23 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | pieces of GNOME die but I never miss them because they tend to be replaced by something with the same or better capabilities | Feb 23 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose someone could maintain the deprecated shit in GNOME and run with it, but why? :) | Feb 23 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of the deprecated stuff was the Microsoft inspired crap introduced by de ICaza | Feb 23 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo_%28component_model%29 | Feb 23 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | "As readers have noted, Schneier said not long after he wrote this article that he no longer thinks this is what happened." http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/22/1639254/US-Inadvertently-Enabled-Chinese-Google-Hackers?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Feb 23 14:52 |
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| DaemonFC | sort of one of those everything is our fault if you bend it enough? | Feb 23 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/more_details_on.html | Feb 23 14:55 |
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| DaemonFC | he retracted that btw | Feb 23 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | you're welcome | Feb 23 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | I did all three seconds of research and found that at the bottom of the paragraph | Feb 23 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | "The rumor that China used a system Google put in place to enable lawful intercepts, which I used as a news hook for this essay, has not been confirmed. At this point, I doubt that it's true." - Bruce Schneier | Feb 23 14:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Piracy Isn’t Killing The Movie Industry, Greed Is - http://j.mp/d2X92Q (via @shivaranjan ) | Feb 23 14:57 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Announcement: IE6 Funeral http://bit.ly/9WiC0t /via @shivaranjan | Feb 23 14:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | In other words, he pulled it out of his ass to make baseless accusations against the US government and Google | Feb 23 14:57 |
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| DaemonFC | Where's this guy from anyway? | Feb 23 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | Anyhow, he later admits that he made the whole thing up to get attention | Feb 23 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | by saying it was unfounded and he doubts it ever happened | Feb 23 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | I saw it was hacked by Reptilians, not the Chinese | Feb 23 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | I have nothing to back that up | Feb 23 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | but I said it, so it's true | Feb 23 15:00 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT @rahulsundaram Patent troll whine about lack of "respect" about their business model http://is.gd/8ZBk7 but there is a good reason h ... | Feb 23 15:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | in otherwords, to pool patents and scalp inventors | Feb 23 15:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | who is that article about? | Feb 23 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Former Microsoftie forms patent pool to fleece inventors" | Feb 23 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | should be that title | Feb 23 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | we know what happens in a patent pool, because that's what MPEG-LA is | Feb 23 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's been nothing but trouble for inventors of better encoding software, free software as a whole, and users of that software | Feb 23 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's basic purpose is to be one unified entity to launch frivolous patent lawsuits | Feb 23 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | hell, even Microsoft shouldn't like them | Feb 23 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | You know how much money it probably had to pay them to implement WMA and WMA Pro | Feb 23 15:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah, it's about IV | Feb 23 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | Myhrvold | Feb 23 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is somewhat old news, they've been on and off the radar for years | Feb 23 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | I might keep Abiword | Feb 23 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's improved a lot | Feb 23 15:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] ideal political party slogan "we'll fuck you over slightly less than the other parties", not very appealing, but points for honesty | Feb 23 15:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | jonobuntu, how's the 7digital, no radeon support, Yahell, Mono, Bad UI mods crap coming along? | Feb 23 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed the indicator crapplet is no longer option and has become a second notifications tray | Feb 23 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | congrats | Feb 23 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | one has to wonder how many programs you'll have to patch to replace the notifications tray with yours | Feb 23 15:29 |
| MinceR | http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1180084983/ | Feb 23 15:29 |
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| DaemonFC | I could only imagine the indicator crapplet meeting, MinceR | Feb 23 15:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I think I may be addicted to kit-kats. | Feb 23 15:30 | |
| DaemonFC | "We're remove the notification area, and after patching 30,000 programs out of tree, we'll have OUR notification area!" | Feb 23 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | brilliant | Feb 23 15:30 |
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| DaemonFC | it's like Ubuntu has been on a spree of random nonsensical hogwash lately | Feb 23 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | even when there's no bribes | Feb 23 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | even when it costs Ubuntu money to implement non-features that make it less useful than standard GNOME | Feb 23 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | features that never work as intended, features that can't work as intended without upstream support | Feb 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | yet they do the shit anyway | Feb 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME should tell Ubuntu hell to the no when they come asking for shoddy things to be upstreamed | Feb 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | looks like they have been too | Feb 23 15:34 |
| MinceR | since when does gnome care about avoiding shoddiness? :> | Feb 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They refused notify-osd | Feb 23 15:35 |
| MinceR | yet they're still copying osx | Feb 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | who is? | Feb 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | The badly cloned OS X is Ubuntu | Feb 23 15:35 |
| MinceR | check out the gnome HIG | Feb 23 15:36 |
| MinceR | that isn't from ubuntu | Feb 23 15:36 |
| MinceR | and it has idiocy lifted right from the crApple HIG | Feb 23 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | OS X is becoming quite usable in light of the bullshit that Ubuntu is making mandatory | Feb 23 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 23 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | I've never been kickbanned from any other distros chatroom (their community room, not the support channel) for saying something is crap before | Feb 23 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's what got me banned from ubuntu-offtopic last year | Feb 23 15:38 |
| MinceR | ubuntu is still worlds more flexible than osx will ever be | Feb 23 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | someone asked what I thought about notify-osd and indicator applet and I told them it was craptacular | Feb 23 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | as a user though, I'd rather use OS X than Ubuntu | Feb 23 15:39 |
| MinceR | as an idiot user, you mean? | Feb 23 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | because Ubuntu has regressed so far in usability | Feb 23 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | no, they've actually damaged GNOME | Feb 23 15:40 |
| MinceR | it has still a long way to regress before it will get near osx | Feb 23 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | made it defective so as to where you can't turn their shit off | Feb 23 15:40 |
| MinceR | even at its default settings | Feb 23 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | without losing your tray icon support entirely | Feb 23 15:40 |
| MinceR | there's some shit you can't turn off | Feb 23 15:40 |
| MinceR | there's still a lot of shit you can turn off | Feb 23 15:40 |
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| DaemonFC | distro patches to "enhance the GUI" almost always epic fail | Feb 23 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu's are getting there | Feb 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | at least they enabled browser mode in nautilus by default | Feb 23 15:42 |
| MinceR | instead of Spam My Desktop With Windows Mode | Feb 23 15:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] those waiting for a ff-3.6 version of customizegoogle should use the new version optimizegoogle instead | Feb 23 15:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think GNOME fundamentals are good as they are, even if you disagree I'm sure we can agree that crappy patches and non-standard distro modifications aren't helping it :) | Feb 23 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu needs to work with GNOME, not implement things to later try to shove down GNOME's throat | Feb 23 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | if Ubuntu has any good ideas that can be upstreamed, they will be upstreamed | Feb 23 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | In this case it was what they did and how they tried to get it merged that got them knocked flat on their ass | Feb 23 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | when upstream tells you no, you can drop the patches or fork the project | Feb 23 15:57 |
| MinceR | gnome needs to go back from copying osx to copying kde | Feb 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | what Ubuntu has done is fork it and made it work less for the user | Feb 23 15:58 |
| MinceR | also, compiz needs to be fixed because it's unreliable | Feb 23 15:58 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Compiz is unreliable with the proprietary drivers | Feb 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | especially FGLRX | Feb 23 15:59 |
| MinceR | kde4's kwin is a lot more reliable with proprietary drivers (and FLOSS drivers) | Feb 23 15:59 |
| MinceR | including nvidia's proprietary driver | Feb 23 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | the last FGLRX update rendered compiz unusable | Feb 23 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | as in, won't even start | Feb 23 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 23 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | "This release of ATI CatalystTM Linux introduces support for the following new operating | Feb 23 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | system: "openSUSE 11.2 production support" | Feb 23 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | which was released last year | Feb 23 16:02 |
| MinceR | who calls their operating system a "production support"? | Feb 23 16:03 |
| MinceR | silly people... | Feb 23 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | ATI Speak | Feb 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | There's also Sneak Peak | Feb 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | means the driver is almost completely broken, but Ubuntu has shipped it | Feb 23 16:05 |
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| DaemonFC | oooooh, "early look" | Feb 23 16:07 |
| cubezzz | I'd say OpenSUSE has falled into disfavour | Feb 23 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, The same drivers that worked on Ubuntu worked on OpenSuse | Feb 23 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | by that I mean worked as well as they were going to, coming from ATI | Feb 23 16:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq! Developing The Devop - can sysadmins and developers *really* work well together? http://is.gd/90GpF #shotofjaq | Feb 23 16:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft to tax Amazon with Linux dollars: http://i5.be/awa | Feb 23 16:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wondering which will come first.. html5 replacing flash, flash not performing like a dog, or duke nukem forever | Feb 23 16:10 | |
| DaemonFC | HTML5 with MPEG-4 replacing Flash | Feb 23 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | if Google has anything to say | Feb 23 16:11 |
| balzac | >_> | Feb 23 16:17 |
| balzac | Flash will remain until browsers are consistent in rendering video, SVG, Ajax | Feb 23 16:19 |
| cubezzz | no flash in lynx :-0 | Feb 23 16:19 |
| cubezzz | I'd even go as far to say as don't bother with video inside the browser | Feb 23 16:21 |
| MinceR | i'd definitely go that far | Feb 23 16:27 |
| MinceR | no browser chrome is going to make any video look better | Feb 23 16:28 |
| MinceR | especially compared to full-screen videos at the user's request | Feb 23 16:28 |
| MinceR | (or a lean video player window that's always on top so i can keep doing other things while watching it :> ) | Feb 23 16:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @celso: Wikimedia Portugal http://2hdt.sl.pt | Feb 23 16:29 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "So, what if the ball is in the opponents'' court, you got balls too!" - #quote | Feb 23 16:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Now reading: I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie by @ebertchicago. It is made of pure and untrammelled win. | Feb 23 16:44 | |
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| cubezzz | you got mentioned on slashdot | Feb 23 17:05 |
| cubezzz | "THE New York Times has published this report about Microsoft's patent troll Nathan Myhrvold, who is backed by his colleague Bill Gates, his former employer Microsoft, and even Apple. He already terrorises the industry using patents that it spent literally billions of dollars acquiring (not actually working to invent anything of substance)." | Feb 23 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Amazon bought the rights to use Linux from Microsoft | Feb 23 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 23 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://techflash.com/seattle/2010/02/microsoft_amazon_in_patent_deal.html | Feb 23 17:10 |
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| cubezzz | blargh | Feb 23 17:11 |
| cubezzz | does anyone sell music in ogg form? | Feb 23 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | no | Feb 23 17:12 |
| cubezzz | no one on the whole planet, eh? | Feb 23 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Why don't you go buy some nice MP3s? Courtesy of Ubuntu. | Feb 23 17:12 |
| cubezzz | I don't use Ubuntu | Feb 23 17:13 |
| cubezzz | actually I did buy some mp3's and even some wma's | Feb 23 17:13 |
| cubezzz | from puretracks.com | Feb 23 17:13 |
| cubezzz | Magnatune sells Flac | Feb 23 17:14 |
| cubezzz | ah, I'll just convert it | Feb 23 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/157200/Newspaper-Hacks-Into-Aussie-Govt-Website-By-Guessing-URL | Feb 23 17:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot News Story | Newspaper "Hacks Into" Aussie Gov't Website By Guessing URL .::. Size~: 139.23 KB | Feb 23 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | hilarious! | Feb 23 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | "It took 3,727 guesses to get into our SECURE government website!" | Feb 23 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/minister-a--monkey-could-have-hacked--secret-transport-site-20100223-p085.html | Feb 23 17:20 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8529504.stm | Feb 23 17:25 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8531266.stm | Feb 23 17:27 |
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| DaemonFC | "The summit has also reportedly backed Argentina's claim over the British-owned Falklands." | Feb 23 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 23 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Shaver is working again! | Feb 23 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Damn, I've been to repair FIVE times in less than 5 months | Feb 23 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [15:21] <FurnaceBoy> Myhrvold | Feb 23 17:33 |
| schestowitz | [15:21] <FurnaceBoy> this is somewhat old news, they've been on and off the radar for years | Feb 23 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Only in recent years they started attacking and getting exposed | Feb 23 17:33 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know about them in 2006 | Feb 23 17:33 |
| *schestowitz just got back, tired | Feb 23 17:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lots of Good News for #GNU #Linux This Week, the Platform Got Very Easy to use http://ur1.ca/n9cf http://ur1.ca/n9cg | Feb 23 18:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Saves #Windows Captives from Inherent Problems, #PGP Adds Linux http://ur1.ca/n9cn http://ur1.ca/n9co | Feb 23 18:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Chooses #GNU #Linux Distribution, 486s Still Supported! http://ur1.ca/n9cw http://ur1.ca/n9cx | Feb 23 18:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat #GNU #Linux-Based OpenNode is Coming http://ostatic.com/blog/centos-clone-opennode-aims-to-simplify-kvm-and-openvz | Feb 23 18:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #OPhone OS Based on #Linux ; #Nokia 's Vision of #MeeGo #Phones http://ur1.ca/n9dj http://ur1.ca/n9dl | Feb 23 18:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Get Qseven Support http://ur1.ca/n9er also see http://ur1.ca/n9es | Feb 23 18:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Conferences Features #OLPC , Review of #GNU #Linux on Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/n9ev http://ur1.ca/n9ew | Feb 23 18:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #GNU #Linux #Tablets Are Coming http://www.liliputing.com/2010/02/more-touchscreen-tablets-on-the-way.html #mastone | Feb 23 18:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sun Under #Oracle is Good for #FreeSoftware , New Chart on the Spread of FOSS http://ur1.ca/n9f7 http://ur1.ca/mnsw# | Feb 23 18:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] Web Browsers Competition Good for Ogg/Open Video http://ur1.ca/n9fg http://ur1.ca/n9fh | Feb 23 18:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GPL Can be Made Better After #MySQL Influence http://krow.livejournal.com/684068.html | Feb 23 18:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KofiAnnan and Le Figaro Chooses #FreeSoftware for Their Web Sites http://ur1.ca/n9fr http://ur1.ca/n9fs | Feb 23 18:41 | |
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| cubezzz | we are getting botified | Feb 23 18:42 |
| MinceR | resistance is futile? | Feb 23 18:43 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Feb 23 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it may be futile but i'll do it anyway :D | Feb 23 18:45 |
| cubezzz | I don't like this talk about amazon | Feb 23 18:45 |
| cubezzz | and these backroom deals with Microsoft | Feb 23 18:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Olympic Committee Attacks Civil Rights to Speech http://ur1.ca/n9id http://ur1.ca/n9ie | Feb 23 18:59 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] How Google's algorithm rules the web http://bit.ly/a2Gzxy | Feb 23 19:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Exclusive: How Googles Algorithm Rules the Web | Magazine .::. Size~: 78.4 KB | Feb 23 19:02 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: neither do I | Feb 23 19:05 |
| schestowitz | It's white-collar crime | Feb 23 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Extortion by rich people | Feb 23 19:06 |
| schestowitz | So no-one would arrest them | Feb 23 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I had a chat at the gym with a businessmen who gets extortionists too | Feb 23 19:06 |
| cubezzz | extortionists? | Feb 23 19:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you can't bribe em, threaten em | Feb 23 19:07 |
| schestowitz | heh. http://ie6funeral.com/ | Feb 23 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is just crime | Feb 23 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Criminals in suits | Feb 23 19:08 |
| schestowitz | But a lot of people don't see it | Feb 23 19:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | precisely | Feb 23 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has had effective PR since the 80s | Feb 23 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Waggener et al | Feb 23 19:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is easily confirmed by looking at the evidence | Feb 23 19:08 |
| cubezzz | I didn't like them in the 80s | Feb 23 19:08 |
| cubezzz | nothing has changed | Feb 23 19:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | but it's not a question of like or dislike :) | Feb 23 19:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a question of what they are | Feb 23 19:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | crooks | Feb 23 19:08 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft was wearing suits AND holding Dick Tracy-like guns, then... | Feb 23 19:08 |
| cubezzz | yeah I figured :) | Feb 23 19:08 |
| schestowitz | They hold legal papers | Feb 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | "We sue you to Hell of you sign the papers" | Feb 23 19:09 |
| cubezzz | IBM is on the side of Linux though | Feb 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer bribing people | Feb 23 19:09 |
| cubezzz | so it's a fair fight | Feb 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | See Munich incident | Feb 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | These are criminals | Feb 23 19:09 |
| cubezzz | oh I agree with you | Feb 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | But the authorities are too busy with those damn hungry shoplifters | Feb 23 19:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: no, it's not a fair fight when one side is a criminal organization | Feb 23 19:09 |
| cubezzz | I'm just wondering what they'll do next | Feb 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | It's not rackteering which costs society | Feb 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | it's homeless people /sarcasm | Feb 23 19:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <cubezzz> IBM is on the side of Linux though | Feb 23 19:10 |
| schestowitz | It's not | Feb 23 19:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: remember, it's not looting if a white person does it | Feb 23 19:10 |
| schestowitz | It's on IBM's side | Feb 23 19:10 |
| cubezzz | well yeah | Feb 23 19:10 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: unless he's on drugs! | Feb 23 19:10 |
| cubezzz | but they're certainly not a friend of Microsoft | Feb 23 19:10 |
| schestowitz | All drugs, except alcohol | Feb 23 19:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right... i forgot that part | Feb 23 19:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: nor is Sun | Feb 23 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Alcohol is HIP, any other drugs is "you have the right to remain silent" | Feb 23 19:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: in some circles one might call them 'competition', if Microsoft knew the meaning of the word | Feb 23 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Feb 23 19:11 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft will crash and burn | Feb 23 19:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you have the obligation to remain silent ;-) | Feb 23 19:11 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft has had clear competitors in the past. It’s a good thing we have museums to document that." --Pearly Sainthood Gates | Feb 23 19:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: of course | Feb 23 19:11 |
| cubezzz | they can't really fight Linux | Feb 23 19:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | they can't fight civilisation and win | Feb 23 19:12 |
| cubezzz | or rather, absorb it | Feb 23 19:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | it just takes a long time for civilisation to prevail | Feb 23 19:12 |
| schestowitz | "Charm offence" | Feb 23 19:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | i believe only zero tolerance will eventually succeed | Feb 23 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I likes the term | Feb 23 19:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | same as needed to fight any mafia-type org | Feb 23 19:12 |
| schestowitz | "let's be friend while I stab you" | Feb 23 19:12 |
| schestowitz | *ds | Feb 23 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Our barriers are some Chamberlains | Feb 23 19:13 |
| cubezzz | tyrants don't win in the long run | Feb 23 19:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Feb 23 19:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: I agree | Feb 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Some folks in FOSS who think we should play with the criminal | Feb 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | "hey... he's all nice inside" | Feb 23 19:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "he has money" | Feb 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Reminds me of the moral of Beauty and the Beast | Feb 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | It teaches women to accept abusive hunsbands | Feb 23 19:14 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Feb 23 19:14 |
| cubezzz | it does? | Feb 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | "There's a real nice man deep inside, behind the monster..." | Feb 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: no | Feb 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Not "he had money" | Feb 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | "He MIGHT GIVE ME money" | Feb 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | "So I'd better hang around him" | Feb 23 19:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: to some cultural groups, the mere possession of enough money is absolution | Feb 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Gredy vultures! | Feb 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | And now we have one of them running Ubuntu as COO | Feb 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Coup!!! | Feb 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'll do another post re Amazon | Feb 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of this s* | Feb 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | It has been a while since the last such deal going public | Feb 23 19:15 |
| cubezzz | well I'm just wondering what effect this will have on Linux | Feb 23 19:16 |
| cubezzz | they seem to be just threating without doing much | Feb 23 19:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Blender driving a robot real-time, just make it move! http://ur1.ca/n9kp | Feb 23 19:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Blender driving a robot real-time, just make it move! http://ur1.ca/n9kp | Feb 23 19:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] See, this is what the Pulitzer Prize is for. http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/REVIEWS/50725001/1023 | Feb 23 19:24 | |
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| bruce89 | very good | Feb 23 19:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 #China tells colleges to cut ties with #Oxfam http:// bit.ly/b9m6k2 #ngo | Feb 23 19:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Wake up and smell the melamine. #china | Feb 23 19:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Symbolman Vietnam isn't the only war Cheney should have Deferred // in a ham sandwich, the chicken is involved, the pig is committed | Feb 23 19:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@symbolman why fight in a #war when you can make a career of starting them. besides, it's more lucrative if you have fingers in the pie | Feb 23 19:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@symbolman he wouldn't risk a dollar for his nation, let alone his life | Feb 23 19:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Drobo is running low on space, need to buy new, bigger (1TB) disks, probably just 2x for now. Recommendations for best 1TB drive these days? | Feb 23 19:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tim Bray Asks #Patent Lawyers to Find Something Better to Do After “Actively Damaging Society” http://ur1.ca/n9ok | Feb 23 19:57 | |
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| balzac | I'm trying to install ies4linux | Feb 23 20:08 |
| balzac | I shouldn't have bothered | Feb 23 20:11 |
| cubezzz | you should know better :) | Feb 23 20:11 |
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| _Goblin | hello | Feb 23 20:12 |
| _Goblin | alk | Feb 23 20:12 |
| _Goblin | *all | Feb 23 20:12 |
| cubezzz | hello | Feb 23 20:12 |
| _Goblin | anything happening? | Feb 23 20:12 |
| cubezzz | what's new and exciting? | Feb 23 20:12 |
| _Goblin | ah | Feb 23 20:12 |
| cubezzz | not really :) | Feb 23 20:12 |
| _Goblin | glad you asked... | Feb 23 20:12 |
| _Goblin | WWE - Elimination Chamber? - that was quite good. | Feb 23 20:12 |
| _Goblin | FOSS wise, nothing much, just catching up | Feb 23 20:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | balzac: i failed to get that working as well, years ago | Feb 23 20:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ping | Feb 23 20:19 |
| balzac | it's garbage | Feb 23 20:23 |
| balzac | Internet explorer 7 is garbage | Feb 23 20:23 |
| balzac | i'm suffering Internet Explorer CSS rage | Feb 23 20:24 |
| balzac | i want to die, frankly | Feb 23 20:24 |
| balzac | my quality of life just took a nose-dive when this task came up | Feb 23 20:24 |
| cubezzz | hrmm | Feb 23 20:24 |
| balzac | If only i could get a job being exposed to radiactive waste instead | Feb 23 20:25 |
| balzac | or working at a slaughter house | Feb 23 20:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | balzac: totally understand | Feb 23 20:25 |
| balzac | it might be as about as bad as doing CSS for IE | Feb 23 20:25 |
| cubezzz | wow, you really hate your job :) | Feb 23 20:26 |
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| balzac | yeah, i'd rather be a political dissident in China | Feb 23 20:26 |
| balzac | i'd rather be selling crack rocks | Feb 23 20:27 |
| balzac | it's the things that keep not working, year after year that grind you down | Feb 23 20:28 |
| balzac | kind of like congress | Feb 23 20:28 |
| cubezzz | I just wouldn't do it | Feb 23 20:29 |
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| balzac | well, i have no choice now | Feb 23 20:29 |
| balzac | i might rather be mugging people | Feb 23 20:30 |
| balzac | but that wouldn't last long | Feb 23 20:30 |
| balzac | i need less responsibility. i hate websites. | Feb 23 20:31 |
| balzac | all these god damned nested div tags and exceptions to how things are supposed to render | Feb 23 20:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Listening to a preview of the new Full Circle Magazine podcast! | Feb 23 20:32 | |
| balzac | cached css | Feb 23 20:32 |
| balzac | i got too old and cranky, i have the executive personality and no executive status | Feb 23 20:33 |
| balzac | i'm quickly going senile | Feb 23 20:33 |
| balzac | i can't keep a good attitude while working around all these stupid little problems | Feb 23 20:34 |
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| balzac | all of this because i can't get a div to float right | Feb 23 20:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | i learned last year that bad css can cause development to halt | Feb 23 20:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | i figured bad code could. but now i know bad css is just as deadly | Feb 23 20:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | actually i learned that the year before, how time flies | Feb 23 20:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | legacy css | Feb 23 20:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | gawd it was awful | Feb 23 20:37 |
| balzac | songbird keeps flying up every time a new song comes up in the playlist | Feb 23 20:39 |
| balzac | gold star to whoever put that focus bug into an otherwise great program | Feb 23 20:40 |
| balzac | yes it is a scourge | Feb 23 20:40 |
| balzac | egos need to get subjugated in the software world | Feb 23 20:40 |
| balzac | people need to be made to clean up after their crap code | Feb 23 20:41 |
| balzac | upgrade legacy code | Feb 23 20:41 |
| balzac | and lose the old proprietary licenses | Feb 23 20:41 |
| balzac | and we have ultra-slow verizon DSL at this office | Feb 23 20:42 |
| balzac | killer latency plus low speed | Feb 23 20:42 |
| balzac | there shouldn't be any service this bad available in the NYC metropolitan area | Feb 23 20:42 |
| balzac | the world has so many dumb and stubborn people in it | Feb 23 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a viable niche, to date- make a mess, move on, let someone else clean up. | Feb 23 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's basically the corporate ethos | Feb 23 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | no wonder its cells work the same way | Feb 23 20:43 |
| balzac | I need to be like the Genghis Khan of software | Feb 23 20:44 |
| balzac | I need angry mongols to join my horde | Feb 23 20:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | scorched earth | Feb 23 20:44 |
| balzac | yes sir | Feb 23 20:44 |
| balzac | I haven't yet gained the time or space to round up my cadres | Feb 23 20:45 |
| balzac | too many mushy-headed types who expect too much | Feb 23 20:45 |
| balzac | college grads are especially useless | Feb 23 20:45 |
| balzac | expecting cushy jobs and deferential treatment | Feb 23 20:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | high school diploma reporting for duty, sir! | Feb 23 20:46 |
| balzac | same here, except just a GED | Feb 23 20:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @lxoliva: ASL.org/BROffice.org bloqueiam venda subsidiada de drogas fatais a professores http://migre.me/l2wW http://migre.me/kPRl Valeu! | Feb 23 20:50 | |
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| balzac | FurnaceBoy: GNUCREW.com is mine | Feb 23 20:52 |
| balzac | that'll be my software "community" but it'll be more of a horde than a "community" | Feb 23 20:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok | Feb 23 20:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/gnucrew <-- is free | Feb 23 20:54 |
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| balzac | cool | Feb 23 20:55 |
| balzac | thanks | Feb 23 20:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | np :) | Feb 23 20:55 |
| balzac | I need to start telling clients that their website is going to look like this | Feb 23 20:55 |
| balzac | color changes - sure, nothing else | Feb 23 20:55 |
| balzac | no more CSS ever again | Feb 23 20:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Deal With #Amazon is #Extortion and Should Get Reported http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/23/amazon-racketeering/ | Feb 23 21:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why was the RAW elimination chamber match ruined by a cheap ending? Shame since it was the best match of the card. #wwe #fail | Feb 23 21:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking to buy a new PC without having to have Windows 7 OEM...Why can't the highstreet sellers simply sell an os'less PC? | Feb 23 21:39 | |
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| schestowitz | Weird: | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > ILO European Counsel Awards 2010 - Shortlist Announced | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > February 23 2010 | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Mr Schestowitz | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > The International Law Office (ILO) is delighted to announce the | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > shortlist for the third annual European Counsel Awards in association | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > with the Association of Corporate Counsel Europe (ACC Europe). | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't know them at all | Feb 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | > Re: Smart phones vulnerably to hacking | Feb 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | > Wouldn't it be a good idea to make phones that aren't like 'regular computers'. The alleged rootkit demo runs on the 'The Open Moku Freerunner' a Linux phone, so there is a rootkit out that will remotely install on this phone, without user action. If not then what ? | Feb 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | > "it runs Linux 2.6" says the video at 0:39 .. at 0:48 he sends a msg to the "infected" phone. If would be interesting to know how exactly the phone got infected in the first place. If the user installed this 'rootkit' on his own phone, it's hardly a compromise. One solution | Feb 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | > would be to have a 'readonly' switch o nthe phone that prevents the system beign altered. A bit like those knockouts they used to have on cassette tapes :) | Feb 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | > "Smart phones are essentially becoming regular computers,” says Vinod Ganapathy, computing prof at Rutgers uni in New Jersey. | Feb 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | > “They run the same class of operating systems as desktop and laptop | Feb 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | > computers, so they are just as vulnerable to attack by malware.” | Feb 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/23/smartphone_rootkits_demoed/ | Feb 23 21:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Moles Galore http://ur1.ca/na2a It's not hard to find who is who and what interests exist | Feb 23 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | Show it to DaemonFOX | Feb 23 22:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @blizzard: Mozilla is looking for a technical documentation Ninja! Please help by telling friends: http://bit.ly/abrcv8 | Feb 23 22:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @techdirt: MagicJack Tries To Silence Boing Boing; Loses And Has To Pay $50,000 http://dlvr.it/2XZf | Feb 23 22:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] ARGH OTHER NIPPLE RING FALLEN OUT it is a TRAGEDY a TRAGEDY | Feb 23 22:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] When using open source makes you an enemy of the state http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/opensource | Feb 23 22:24 | |
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| sebsebseb | bruce89: ianto _Goblin FurnaceBoy MinceR schestowitz http://blogs.computerworld.com/15639/amazon_pays_microsoft_for_linux | Feb 23 22:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Amazon pays Microsoft for Linux - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 135.86 KB | Feb 23 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | wth | Feb 23 22:29 |
| MinceR | i've read it | Feb 23 22:32 |
| MinceR | it's sad | Feb 23 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | two comments here http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010022302235OPMSLL | Feb 23 22:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - Amazon pays Microsoft for Linux .::. Size~: 77.88 KB | Feb 23 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | there's one about closing an account, and another about how should support local business's basicalley | Feb 23 22:33 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: I wonder what DeamonFC will think | Feb 23 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | he isn't happy that he can get music for cheaper on the Amazon store, instead of the Ubuntu music store that is coming | Feb 23 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | that was yesterday | Feb 23 22:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono employees are already trying to put .NET inside another #GNU #Linux platform http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/23/meego-mono/ | Feb 23 22:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft has tricked #Amazon into paying for #Linux based on #fraud ulent "IP" claims http://bit.ly/a4f3Xj #rico #racketeering #fud #crime | Feb 23 22:36 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell is Already Poisoning MeeGo With Microsoft Trojan Horses | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.04 KB | Feb 23 22:36 |
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| bruce89 | incidentally, I bought stuff from Amazon only just this day | Feb 23 22:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: worse than sad. it's outrageous | Feb 23 22:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] If the authorities won't investigate #Microsoft #fraud, then it's time to boycott their partners - starting with #Amazon | Feb 23 22:38 | |
| sebsebseb | who sent the two Amazon tweets or whatever those notices are | Feb 23 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | i did, why? | Feb 23 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: ok wasn't sure who had that name | Feb 23 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | np | Feb 23 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: so you already done blog enteries about this, before I gave link? | Feb 23 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Feb 23 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | your headsup was the first i saw | Feb 23 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | thanks | Feb 23 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | ok :) | Feb 23 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | groklaw has nothing on this yet | Feb 23 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | what about slashdot? | Feb 23 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: anyway seems Amazon have done a sort of Novell deal? | Feb 23 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: looks like it | Feb 23 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's possible they were threatened into it | Feb 23 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: in fact, seems the only way | Feb 23 22:43 |
| schestowitz | It's in /., sebsebseb | Feb 23 22:43 |
| MinceR | more like a samsung deal | Feb 23 22:43 |
| schestowitz | also see http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/23/amazon-racketeering/ | Feb 23 22:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsofts Deal With Amazon is Extortion and Should Get Reported | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.43 KB | Feb 23 22:43 |
| MinceR | but there's little difference anyway | Feb 23 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Servers | Feb 23 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh you already did an entry about it, before I gave link out here? | Feb 23 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Where Linus is HUGE | Feb 23 22:44 |
| schestowitz | *Linux | Feb 23 22:44 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I have 2 | Feb 23 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I also wrote about it this morning | Feb 23 22:44 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/23/boycott-amazon/ | Feb 23 22:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Boycott Amazon | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.84 KB | Feb 23 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1560168&cid=31244340 | Feb 23 22:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Comments | Microsoft, Amazon Ink Kindle and Linux Patent Deal .::. Size~: 48.28 KB | Feb 23 22:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] y'all gonna sit there & let #Microsoft get away with broad daylight racketeering? #fraud http://bit.ly/a6dYzc | Feb 23 22:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot | Microsoft, Amazon Ink Kindle and Linux Patent Deal .::. Size~: 140.9 KB | Feb 23 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: What did you buy from Amazon today? | Feb 23 22:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | they should have a product called BOYCOTT AMAZON. I'd buy it. | Feb 23 22:49 |
| bruce89 | presents | Feb 23 22:52 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: my posts cover the key points, I hope. If I miss something, holler | Feb 23 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ok | Feb 23 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Amazon enables remote deletion of presents | Feb 23 22:52 |
| schestowitz | "Now you have it, now you don't!" (1984) | Feb 23 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | the gift that stops giving | Feb 23 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | now *that's* innovation | Feb 23 22:53 |
| schestowitz | It's patented, too | Feb 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | One-click deletion | Feb 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | All right, one more post, then some news....... | Feb 23 22:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ZDNet ’s “Open Source” Blog Still Hostile Towards Freedom (the “F” in #FOSS ) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/23/zdnet-image-of-linus/ | Feb 23 23:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Conference in Starsbourg on the UPLS central patent court and software patents via the backdoor: http://i5.be/awe | Feb 23 23:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ZDNets “Open Source” Blog Still Hostile Towards Freedom (the “F” in FOSS) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.93 KB | Feb 23 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm not sure if i can handle more 'news' today | Feb 23 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: This is racketeering and someone should report this. Microsoft reportedly sued Melco to sign that last deal. | Feb 23 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I agree | Feb 23 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's in-ya-face, broad daylight extortion | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's not as bad as news from Iraq | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | At least Microsoft has not yet directly slaughtered many people | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Its shoddy software led to many death (hospitals for example), but still... | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Zemlin is being a coward IMHO: | Feb 23 23:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/355747/microsoft-riles-open-source-advocates-with-amazon-deal | Feb 23 23:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2010/02/microsoftamazon-deal-nothing-see-here | Feb 23 23:08 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft/Amazon Deal: Nothing to See Here | The Linux Foundation .::. Size~: 25.12 KB | Feb 23 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in this vein, try: http://twitter.com/nsaction/status/9545065952 | Feb 23 23:09 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: damn those Europeans -- just not sufficiently interested in war and death | Feb 23 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: footnote there is curious. looks like USA is pushing that europe's arms be consolidated under NATO | Feb 23 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/microsoft-trolls-another-small-fish/ | Feb 23 23:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft trolls another small fish .::. Size~: 23.99 KB | Feb 23 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: just a melco cite. i wasn't familiar with it | Feb 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Zemlin is a 'shill' for the front group that's of IBM et al, so they play with softare patents | Feb 23 23:13 |
| zoobab | sure | Feb 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand why LF is treated like official spokesman for GNU and Linux | Feb 23 23:13 |
| zoobab | read the linuxfoundation patent policy | Feb 23 23:13 |
| zoobab | all ibm stuff | Feb 23 23:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Did #Microsoft threaten #Amazon, like they did #Melco? http://www.stefanoforenza.com/microsoft-trolls-another-small-fish/ #patents #fraud | Feb 23 23:14 | |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: stefano sometimes hangs around here | Feb 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: no | Feb 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | They sued Melco | Feb 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | According to processor.com | Feb 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | This was hardly reported | Feb 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Robert Gates and Bill Gates are connected in a way | Feb 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/20/govt-not-designed-for-security/ | Feb 23 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: yeah, you brought it to my attention, then I could see it for myself | Feb 23 23:16 |
| zoobab | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/legal/osapa | Feb 23 23:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open Source as Prior Art (OSAPA) | The Linux Foundation .::. Size~: 28.2 KB | Feb 23 23:17 |
| zoobab | The Linux Foundation supports the USPTO's drive to improve the quality of software patents. | Feb 23 23:18 |
| zoobab | so they are pro-swpat | Feb 23 23:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsaction Gates Calls Europe Anti-War Mood Danger to Peace http://nyti.ms/aDxiiX | Feb 23 23:18 | |
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| zoobab | probably shadow written by ibm | Feb 23 23:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Linux Foundation supports the USPTO's drive to improve the quality of software patents: http://i5.be/awf | Feb 23 23:20 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open Source as Prior Art (OSAPA) | The Linux Foundation .::. Size~: 28.2 KB | Feb 23 23:20 |
| schestowitz | CNET MS boosting: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10457892-265.html | Feb 23 23:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: One week without Google | Relevant Results - CNET News .::. Size~: 139.81 KB | Feb 23 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:18] <zoobab> The Linux Foundation supports the USPTO's drive to improve the quality of software patents. | Feb 23 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Kappos | Feb 23 23:26 |
| schestowitz | And Irving advising Obama | Feb 23 23:26 |
| schestowitz | OIN is IBM | Feb 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Rosenthal | Feb 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Did he ever explain why he left? | Feb 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/02/problem-with-foss-software-on-foss.html | Feb 23 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100217/1208458199.shtml | Feb 23 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | RMS' ideas are spreading | Feb 23 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Microsoft’s Deal With Amazon is Extortion and Should Get Reported http://tinyurl.com/yjqc4xn | Feb 23 23:39 | |
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| schestowitz | More /. boot licking... http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/2036231/Gates-and-MS-Dont-See-Eye-To-Eye-On-CO2 | Feb 23 23:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot News Story | Gates and MS Don't See Eye-To-Eye On CO2 .::. Size~: 146.45 KB | Feb 23 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of these things | Feb 23 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They treat words from rich criminals like they are more valuable from experts in climate. | Feb 23 23:41 |
| schestowitz | *then | Feb 23 23:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 23 23:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's obscene | Feb 23 23:43 |
| schestowitz | THanks goodness we're becoming less like the neighbours across the Atlantic... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18559-stop-funding-homeopathy-say-british-mps.html | Feb 23 23:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Stop funding homeopathy, say British MPs - health - 23 February 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 49.69 KB | Feb 23 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Blair might be heatbroken | Feb 23 23:44 |
| schestowitz | *heart | Feb 23 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Blair didn't even have to fake being religious to get elected | Feb 23 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | so being corrupt as all hell is a good thing if you don't have to go to church? | Feb 23 23:47 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4809/125/ | Feb 23 23:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: religion does not say much about corruption | Feb 23 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Some hours ago I gently confronted a devout religious man | Feb 23 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Boy that fear mongering from itword over android is a good laugh. | Feb 23 23:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: an uncorrupt individual has little use for religion ;-) | Feb 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: IDG? | Feb 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | ITWorld? | Feb 23 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Muslims believe in the Jinn | Feb 23 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | is that not something? | Feb 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.itworld.com/security/97561/chuck-norris-not-a-linux-virus | Feb 23 23:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Chuck Norris is not a Linux virus | ITworld .::. Size~: 85.85 KB | Feb 23 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Opps infoworld | Feb 23 23:50 |
| oiaohm | http://infoworld.com/d/mobilize/google-androids-self-destruction-derby-begins-863 | Feb 23 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | according to Islam, Allah created the Jinn from "smokeless fire" | Feb 23 23:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Android's self-destruction derby begins | Mobilize - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 77.82 KB | Feb 23 23:50 |
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| oiaohm | What did the jinn do DaemonFC | Feb 23 23:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: this is major FUD: http://infoworld.com/d/mobilize/google-androids-self-destruction-derby-begins-863 | Feb 23 23:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Android's self-destruction derby begins | Mobilize - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 77.82 KB | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I just saw it in /. | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned it this morning also | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | in IRC | Feb 23 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Their version of Satan is one | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | He's an Apple fan | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Defending the iPhone, of course | Feb 23 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | but he is powerless to do anything except compel humans to do evil | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I know Galen Gruman | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Not nice to Linux | Feb 23 23:52 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of forms of smokeless fire that are mind bending. | Feb 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Jinn sounds cure | Feb 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Like a Genie | Feb 23 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Jinn are not demons or angels | Feb 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Outta da bottle | Feb 23 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | the angels in Islam can't defy God | Feb 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Is Jinn good looking? | Feb 23 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | the Jinn are supernatural beings, immortal, and have free will, like humans | Feb 23 23:53 |
| schestowitz | immortal? | Feb 23 23:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you've seen I dream of Jinn'y right? | Feb 23 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | Satan was cast out of heaven for refusing to bow down to humans | Feb 23 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Ah, well, so they don't date | Feb 23 23:53 |
| oiaohm | loki and his follows from greek and roman. Ie trouble makers. would be the same class DaemonFC | Feb 23 23:53 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: no | Feb 23 23:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you mean cast to enter the belly of the Earth? | Feb 23 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Magma fetish........... | Feb 23 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Old men were almost 2-dimensional | Feb 23 23:54 |
| schestowitz | The world and universe were planar | Feb 23 23:55 |
| schestowitz | With just one axis (gravity) | Feb 23 23:55 |
| schestowitz | They are missing out so much cosmos fun... | Feb 23 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Let *that* give people a meaning in life... | Feb 23 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, according to Islam, Satan is kind of on borrowed time right now and tryin to lure the whole of humanity down to hell with him | Feb 23 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | out of spite for God | Feb 23 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | (Allah) | Feb 23 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | I think I've heard this one before though | Feb 23 23:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/189954/hack_shows_how_to_get_android_21_on_some_windows_mobile_phones.html | Feb 23 23:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Hack Shows How to Get Android 2.1 On Some Windows Mobile Phones - PCWorld .::. Size~: 68.3 KB | Feb 23 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hahaha. http://rawstory.com/2010/02/white-house-not-support-public-option/ | Feb 23 23:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: White House slammed after declaring not enough support for public option | Raw Story .::. Size~: 32.02 KB | Feb 23 23:57 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there are a few major mistakes. Chistinia( Ok that is wrong the one before chistian and jew and islam) Clearly talk of a rebeliion in the angels that Satan left with many others. | Feb 23 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Be glad you're up north, FurnaceBoy | Feb 23 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Only 75% (IIRC) is "not enough support" | Feb 23 23:58 |
| oiaohm | And how could Satan since he was a angel if he had no free will not bow? DaemonFC | Feb 23 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Cause in Islam, Satan was not an angel | Feb 23 23:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: this is bland talk because it's about imaginary characters | Feb 23 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Nothing like rewriting history DaemonFC | Feb 23 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Let's invest some of our own | Feb 23 23:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: be sure, I am | Feb 23 23:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: history of Satan or some scrolls written by men? | Feb 23 23:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's plenty of non-fiction evil going around without getting distracted by fictions | Feb 23 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's enough Republicans to block it. | Feb 23 23:59 |
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