| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Toronto scientists Sullivan, Tennyson, Glass, French & Etkin honoured 4 role in #Apollo 13 rescue http://bit.ly/bfnfxU #grumman #nasa #UofT | Apr 14 00:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gpjeTQaNRDPhl23bgYW4RTlWLfmQD9F2CFCG0 | Apr 14 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: can you re-enable the redirection now? | Apr 14 00:06 |
| tessier_ | ok | Apr 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Thanks so much! | Apr 14 00:06 |
| tessier_ | welcome! | Apr 14 00:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@5MillionPeople Jim Cameron highlights the real battle for #Brazil rainforest //ALL Amazon threatened http://amazonwatch.org #peru #ecuador | Apr 14 00:07 | |
| schestowitz | It's all done, inc. some links in the site which used the old URL... and settings I needed to change. Google will update the index after the notification :-) :-) | Apr 14 00:07 |
| schestowitz | boycottnovell.com is ranked 1888th in Netcraft, soon it will drop to oblivion as a well-ranked domain name | Apr 14 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Apple approved Opera as an iphone app | Apr 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | techrights is ranked 6th for Google search on "Novell" | Apr 14 00:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: there used to a rumour they rejected it in 2009, but this was later denied | Apr 14 00:12 |
| schestowitz | I think some major source like CNN spread that claim and that Opera's CEO (not out) made that claim... Jon something | Apr 14 00:12 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Approving the app avoids antitrust lawsuit and most iphone users are so stuck on whatever Apple tells them to use that Opera will never be big enough to cause much of an issue | Apr 14 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably Apple's thinking in approving the app | Apr 14 00:13 |
| Ender2070 | nah | Apr 14 00:14 |
| Ender2070 | they're probably thinking opera isn't a threat because it sucks | Apr 14 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm? | Apr 14 00:15 |
| satipera | fc not giving you a hard time always nice to talk to you | Apr 14 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | worse than Safari? impossible | Apr 14 00:15 |
| Ender2070 | at least safari uses webkit | Apr 14 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | which is on par with Presto | Apr 14 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | Presto is faster with some things | Apr 14 00:16 |
| Ender2070 | does presto even support sandboxing? | Apr 14 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | no, but neither does Webkit | Apr 14 00:20 |
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| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 14 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | Opera has talked about building that in sometime around the next major release | Apr 14 00:21 |
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| Ender2070 | webkit does | Apr 14 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's not done at that level is it? | Apr 14 00:22 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.osnews.com/story/23133/Apple_Drops_WebKit_2_Code_Adds_Multiprocess_Browsing | Apr 14 00:22 |
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| DaemonFC | Apple shows no interest in it | Apr 14 00:22 |
| Ender2070 | bam | Apr 14 00:22 |
| Ender2070 | owned | Apr 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | hmm | Apr 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | apparently they do now | Apr 14 00:22 |
| Ender2070 | opera is now behind in everything | Apr 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | don't know why | Apr 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Apr 14 00:22 |
| Ender2070 | its the smartest idea for security reasons | Apr 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | Opera chose to focus on speed and standards compliance work for this round | Apr 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Opera 11 will likely have the sandboxing system | Apr 14 00:23 |
| Ender2070 | i'd rather someone focus on extendability and security | Apr 14 00:23 |
| Ender2070 | and im not trolling, i did give opera a shot | Apr 14 00:24 |
| Ender2070 | i dont like the way it renders fonts | Apr 14 00:24 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/opera.png | Apr 14 00:24 |
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| Ender2070 | looks too much like times new roman | Apr 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: The main thing that turns me off to Chrome is that it doesn't have real content blocking | Apr 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | like for ads | Apr 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | it loads them then stuffs them somewhere you can't see them | Apr 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | lots of malware can hide in ads | Apr 14 00:27 |
| Ender2070 | yeah its not up to par with firefox on that | Apr 14 00:27 |
| Ender2070 | arora does however do very good blocking | Apr 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Opera has it built into the browser | Apr 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | you just load a set of rules | Apr 14 00:27 |
| Ender2070 | and with webkit2, arora should get sandboxing too | Apr 14 00:27 |
| Ender2070 | :) | Apr 14 00:27 |
| Ender2070 | arora does the same thing as opera | Apr 14 00:28 |
| Ender2070 | gotta load a ruleset | Apr 14 00:28 |
| Ender2070 | same with konq | Apr 14 00:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Domain/URL of migration techrights.org is just about complete now. If you find errors, please report them to us | Apr 14 00:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] a film can wrench us from our selfishness. you, the living | Apr 14 00:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The techrights.org site is gradually being adapted so as to cover the Novell campaign along with others http://ur1.ca/uyb1 | Apr 14 00:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera thanks, I'm excited about it | Apr 14 00:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "The law will put all Church institutions, including your parish, at risk." http://is.gd/brAll If there's a clearer admission of guilt ... | Apr 14 00:56 | |
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| cubezzz | lynx is the best :) | Apr 14 01:00 |
| tessier_ | Bishops fighting a sex abuse bill is just loony. | Apr 14 01:00 |
| cubezzz | hypertext goes back farther than I thought | Apr 14 01:00 |
| cubezzz | probably back to the 60's | Apr 14 01:01 |
| cubezzz | there's a paper to be written about open computers | Apr 14 01:02 |
| cubezzz | I think cga, ega, vga were all basically open video standards | Apr 14 01:03 |
| cubezzz | after that things get a bit murky | Apr 14 01:03 |
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| cubezzz | e.g. what is "super vga"? it's not clear | Apr 14 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | erI had super VGA | Apr 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | My first computer had CGA | Apr 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | 4 colours | Apr 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | EGA had 8 | Apr 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | I had monochrome mode on the CGA | Apr 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | At the back of the screen | Apr 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Tint green | Apr 14 01:19 |
| amarsh04 | I had hercules monochrome green before amber cga mono (-: | Apr 14 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.freetechie.com/blog/kde-kdm-vulnerability-elevation-of-privilage/ | Apr 14 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, yuhong | Apr 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | What's up? You always have a rant when you come here :-) | Apr 14 01:25 |
| yuhong | Yes, I do. | Apr 14 01:25 |
| yuhong | "If GNU/Linux succeeds on proprietary software’s terms, then it’s just another OS X." | Apr 14 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Today's big news: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63C3DV20100413 | Apr 14 01:26 |
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| yuhong | Remember when you say this that the entire GUI of OS X is proprietary. | Apr 14 01:26 |
| yuhong | That is how proprietary OS X is. | Apr 14 01:26 |
| schestowitz | I know | Apr 14 01:26 |
| schestowitz | That's my point | Apr 14 01:26 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Apr 14 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Skype/Safari/Wine with MSO is not Linux | Apr 14 01:27 |
| yuhong | It is not just "proprietary software’s terms". | Apr 14 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It's just a new kernel for running compromising apps | Apr 14 01:27 |
| yuhong | Yes, it is a new kernel for running a proprietary *GUI*. | Apr 14 01:28 |
| yuhong | It isn't just apps though. | Apr 14 01:28 |
| yuhong | The entire GUI is proprietary. | Apr 14 01:28 |
| yuhong | Only the kernel and some command-line tools are open source, period. | Apr 14 01:29 |
| yuhong | Aqua is proprietary. | Apr 14 01:29 |
| yuhong | See Apple's list: | Apr 14 01:30 |
| yuhong | http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/mac-os-x-1063/ | Apr 14 01:30 |
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| yuhong | Also, you sometimes say Linux when you should have said something like Android. | Apr 14 01:32 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: not just a kernel | Apr 14 01:32 |
| schestowitz | there's webkit too | Apr 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Samba | Apr 14 01:33 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Apr 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | CUPS | Apr 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | But... | Apr 14 01:33 |
| yuhong | No GUI components. | Apr 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | The jewels don't do source, they do DRM | Apr 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | handcuffs | Apr 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | 'Mail" | Apr 14 01:33 |
| yuhong | DRM, what does this have to do with this topic. | Apr 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | DRM in itoooons | Apr 14 01:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer My prediction: VP8 will simply be positioned as next version of ogg theora. Hopefully Google will open up all "IP" | Apr 14 01:34 | |
| schestowitz | antifeatures in general | Apr 14 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Made worse over time | Apr 14 01:34 |
| schestowitz | And sucking data for lockin | Apr 14 01:34 |
| yuhong | Yes, and I talked about PT_DENY_ATTACH before. | Apr 14 01:34 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: do me a small favour, pls | Apr 14 01:34 |
| schestowitz | I had some issues with login | Apr 14 01:34 |
| yuhong | Easily patched out by recompiling the xnu kernel. | Apr 14 01:34 |
| schestowitz | site cookies and all | Apr 14 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Could you attempt to leave a comment? | Apr 14 01:34 |
| schestowitz | I can't with my account (Admin) unless I create a dummy account | Apr 14 01:35 |
| yuhong | Made me wonder about the open source politics at Apple. | Apr 14 01:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.terracedaily.ca/go5811a/2ND_EXORCISM__MEMORIAL_AT_THE_VATICAN_DESPITE_POLICE_ | Apr 14 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm.... | Apr 14 01:36 |
| schestowitz | In reckon Dawkins just did a publicity stunt | Apr 14 01:36 |
| yuhong | Anyway, my point is that it isn't just apps that are proprietary. | Apr 14 01:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/04/09 | Apr 14 01:37 |
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| yuhong | The entire GUI is, period. | Apr 14 01:37 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: true | Apr 14 01:37 |
| schestowitz | But Apple straps stuff to it all | Apr 14 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Not complete FOSS at all | Apr 14 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Just borrowing of some | Apr 14 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Then shelving | Apr 14 01:37 |
| schestowitz | http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=25240#top | Apr 14 01:38 |
| yuhong | On the matter of open source politics at Apple, here is a mail I sent to a mailing list about this: | Apr 14 01:38 |
| yuhong | http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2008-09/msg00453.html | Apr 14 01:38 |
| yuhong | The mailing list contain only a subset of the emails, some were sent off-list. | Apr 14 01:39 |
| yuhong | I can forward some if you want them. | Apr 14 01:40 |
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| yuhong | I forget to talk about how you sometimes say Linux when something such as Android should have been said. | Apr 14 01:57 |
| yuhong | Example, the Apple-HTC lawsuits. | Apr 14 01:58 |
| cubezzz | according to some folks I've been talking to there is no modern FOSS computer | Apr 14 01:58 |
| yuhong | Example, your coverage of the Apple-HTC lawsuits. | Apr 14 01:59 |
| cubezzz | ironic, the most open manufacturer _now_ might be intel | Apr 14 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | "I don't care about what anything was designed to do, I care about what it can do!" - Gene Kranz :) | Apr 14 02:01 |
| yuhong | Well, I would not go that far, but yea I remember reading an article from the FSF website talking about this. | Apr 14 02:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Bringing this baby into the finish line! http://is.gd/brDRi #ubuntu | Apr 14 02:03 | |
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| cubezzz | example: firmware on hard drives | Apr 14 02:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100409/0826178949.shtml | Apr 14 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: could you try the comments? | Apr 14 02:04 |
| yuhong | OK. | Apr 14 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: TV also | Apr 14 02:05 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, ask Stallman if you can about the lemote he uses, is it flash or hard drive? | Apr 14 02:06 |
| cubezzz | if it's hard drive, he may be using binary blobs on the hard drive itself | Apr 14 02:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/04/13/1235232/The-1-Terabyte-SSD-Arrives | Apr 14 02:08 |
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| yuhong | http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/mini-review-of-the-ipad/ | Apr 14 02:08 |
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| yuhong | "But the iPad isn’t for me. I want the ability to run arbitrary programs without paying extra money or getting permission from the computer manufacturer." | Apr 14 02:08 |
| cubezzz | ipad is probably worse than xbox | Apr 14 02:09 |
| schestowitz | "The gadget lover in me wants one, but the part of me that cares about open source and tinkering is stronger. I’m with Cory Doctorow on this one. The iPad is gorgeous, but it’s still not worth it for me. " | Apr 14 02:09 |
| yuhong | "II think that the iPad is a magical device built for consumers, but less for makers or tinkerers. " | Apr 14 02:09 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Apr 14 02:09 |
| yuhong | But how many consumers care? | Apr 14 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Speaking of gadgets.... | Apr 14 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | I've rigged a GPS unit to mount on that bicycle's handlebars | Apr 14 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | and give me my current location and speed | Apr 14 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 14 02:10 |
| yuhong | But how many consumers care enough that they do this.? | Apr 14 02:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/legal/104320/adobe-vs-apple-going-get-uglier?source=smlynch | Apr 14 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Lawsuit? | Apr 14 02:10 |
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| cubezzz | consumers don't care | Apr 14 02:11 |
| cubezzz | programmers care | Apr 14 02:11 |
| cubezzz | "consumers" buy first, think later | Apr 14 02:11 |
| yuhong | Yep, exactly my point, and how many consumers even think of tinkering? | Apr 14 02:12 |
| yuhong | Why should consumers who don't tinker care about closed devices? | Apr 14 02:13 |
| cubezzz | I think they would care if someone explained it to them in enough detail | Apr 14 02:13 |
| yuhong | I could think of some reason, such as the App Store harming consumers by limiting choice. | Apr 14 02:13 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/7584331/UFO-studies-should-be-legitimate-university-subject-claims-American-professor.html | Apr 14 02:14 |
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| schestowitz | What's next? Acupuncture? | Apr 14 02:14 |
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| cubezzz | UFO's again? :) | Apr 14 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Does this run kde4+plasma? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/German-tablet-PC-sets-out-to-apf-890973130.html?x=0&.v=7 | Apr 14 02:15 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: This good programme misspells a lot of the Alien/UFO myths http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php | Apr 14 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/04/13/2020227/First-Pulitzer-Awarded-To-an-Online-News-Site | Apr 14 02:19 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot News Story | First Pulitzer Awarded To an Online News Site .::. Size~: 90.77 KB | Apr 14 02:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] First it's homosexuals, now it's the Jews? At what point do they wake up & smell the coffee? http://tinyurl.com/y4a9l73 | Apr 14 02:21 | |
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| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/04/palm-may-be-for-sale-but-are-its-patents-really-valuable.ars | Apr 14 02:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Palm may be for sale, but are its patents really valuable? .::. Size~: 29.88 KB | Apr 14 02:28 |
| yuhong | Advocate that Palm become a patent troll. | Apr 14 02:28 |
| yuhong | Advocating that Palm become a patent troll. | Apr 14 02:29 |
| yuhong | Can you say yikes! | Apr 14 02:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I did two days ago | Apr 14 02:31 |
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| cubezzz | that site seems quite good schestowitz | Apr 14 02:34 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: it is | Apr 14 02:37 |
| schestowitz | In the past 1.5 weeks I've listened to about 140 episodes | Apr 14 02:37 |
| schestowitz | About 70 left | Apr 14 02:38 |
| cubezzz | debunkatron :) | Apr 14 02:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @taslimanasreen: By defending her liar n philanderer husband,Sania proved she is a vulnerable n traditional woman,lacking selfconfidence | Apr 14 02:41 | |
| cubezzz | computer scientist too | Apr 14 02:41 |
| cubezzz | maybe I'll ask him about FOSS | Apr 14 02:41 |
| schestowitz | he's in software | Apr 14 02:49 |
| schestowitz | CTO, silicon valley | Apr 14 02:50 |
| cubezzz | he could be a windows person even | Apr 14 02:50 |
| schestowitz | for editing maybe a Mac | Apr 14 02:51 |
| schestowitz | he has an OS X widget there | Apr 14 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Also, in California many use Macs | Apr 14 02:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @ipjustice: RT @arstechnica: US Government finally admits most piracy estimates are bogus - http://arst.ch/igt #copyright #ACTA | Apr 14 02:54 | |
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| cubezzz | his host runs Linux at least | Apr 14 02:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/04/13/wepad-linux-based-slate-release-date-and-price/ | Apr 14 02:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: WePad Linux-based slate: Release Date and Price : Product Reviews Net .::. Size~: 24.53 KB | Apr 14 02:57 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: everything runs Linux | Apr 14 02:57 |
| schestowitz | TVs too | Apr 14 02:57 |
| schestowitz | gn | Apr 14 02:57 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Apr 14 02:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @thecomicproject: Pioneer: Shashi Tharoor faces questions of probity - http://bit.ly/9G5gEQ (v | Apr 14 02:59 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Pioneer > Online Edition : >> Ministerial shenanigans .::. Size~: 20.75 KB | Apr 14 02:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] No LameStream jets for #Palin. Supersize my ride, peons! http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/palin-contract.pdf | Apr 14 03:29 | |
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| Agent-Smith | Good evening folks | Apr 14 04:24 |
| Agent-Smith | Have you seen this ??? | Apr 14 04:25 |
| Agent-Smith | http://bit.ly/chAiIO | Apr 14 04:25 |
| Agent-Smith | M$ is giving M$ Office 2010 for free... | Apr 14 04:27 |
| Agent-Smith | Holy cow... | Apr 14 04:28 |
| Agent-Smith | Open Office must be breathing in their necks... | Apr 14 04:28 |
| cubezzz | I still don't want it :) | Apr 14 04:28 |
| Agent-Smith | ;-D | Apr 14 04:28 |
| Agent-Smith | Not me too, but | Apr 14 04:28 |
| Agent-Smith | The time goes by | Apr 14 04:29 |
| Agent-Smith | And M$ doesn't change | Apr 14 04:29 |
| Agent-Smith | Remember, they did the same to kill Netscape | Apr 14 04:29 |
| cubezzz | "a cut down version with cheesy ads that rotate every 45 seconds" | Apr 14 04:29 |
| Agent-Smith | Yeah | Apr 14 04:29 |
| cubezzz | wow, that sounds _so_ good :) | Apr 14 04:29 |
| Agent-Smith | Even ABIWORD is better... ;-) | Apr 14 04:30 |
| Agent-Smith | But the point here is | Apr 14 04:30 |
| Agent-Smith | They're trying to do the same thing they did to Netscape... | Apr 14 04:30 |
| Agent-Smith | Only this time, the free offers are WAAAYYY better... | Apr 14 04:30 |
| Agent-Smith | ;-) | Apr 14 04:31 |
| cubezzz | it's source code that counts | Apr 14 04:31 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Apr 14 04:31 |
| cubezzz | unobfuscated source code | Apr 14 04:31 |
| Agent-Smith | I would never switch from BR Office to M$ Office | Apr 14 04:31 |
| cubezzz | I rarely use any office suite | Apr 14 04:32 |
| Agent-Smith | BR Office (Brazil's Open Office) has a native grammar checker | Apr 14 04:32 |
| Agent-Smith | Which is (because it's Open Source) very well done | Apr 14 04:32 |
| Agent-Smith | And for our native BR_PT portuguese... | Apr 14 04:32 |
| Agent-Smith | A feature like this, M$ Office lags behind... | Apr 14 04:33 |
| cubezzz | I never used microsoft office :) | Apr 14 04:35 |
| Agent-Smith | But Ina Fried boosts this crippled free M$ Office... | Apr 14 04:36 |
| Agent-Smith | Merciful Jeeezus... | Apr 14 04:36 |
| Agent-Smith | The best thing since sliced bread... Mehhhh... | Apr 14 04:36 |
| Agent-Smith | ;-D | Apr 14 04:36 |
| cubezzz | people dont' realize this but we did have a totally open computer and almost everyone overlooked it | Apr 14 04:36 |
| cubezzz | TOTALLY open | Apr 14 04:36 |
| cubezzz | you'll be surprised... it was the Amiga :) | Apr 14 04:37 |
| Agent-Smith | I remember AMIGA | Apr 14 04:37 |
| Agent-Smith | It was my dream gadget | Apr 14 04:37 |
| cubezzz | Amiga roms were documented, all firmware... | Apr 14 04:37 |
| Agent-Smith | But, it was so expensive, I could never aford it in its time... | Apr 14 04:37 |
| cubezzz | exactly :) | Apr 14 04:38 |
| Agent-Smith | Pity | Apr 14 04:38 |
| Agent-Smith | I had a MSX computer | Apr 14 04:38 |
| Agent-Smith | Z80 8 bits | Apr 14 04:38 |
| cubezzz | you can get Amiga now | Apr 14 04:38 |
| Agent-Smith | But Amiga was Waaaayyy advanced | Apr 14 04:38 |
| cubezzz | NOS Amiga 1200's still for sale today | Apr 14 04:38 |
| Agent-Smith | Hummm... And software ??? | Apr 14 04:38 |
| cubezzz | yes | Apr 14 04:39 |
| cubezzz | http://amigakit.com | Apr 14 04:39 |
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| Agent-Smith | Let me see | Apr 14 04:39 |
| Agent-Smith | Folks say AmigaOS is awesome... | Apr 14 04:40 |
| Agent-Smith | I wish I could see it working... | Apr 14 04:40 |
| cubezzz | you can | Apr 14 04:40 |
| cubezzz | on youtube | Apr 14 04:40 |
| Agent-Smith | Ehehehehe | Apr 14 04:41 |
| Agent-Smith | I mean try it... ;-) | Apr 14 04:41 |
| cubezzz | well I will get the Amiga 1200 probably | Apr 14 04:42 |
| Agent-Smith | How much is it costing now ??? | Apr 14 04:43 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh, The AMIGA KIT site is not oppening here... | Apr 14 04:43 |
| cubezzz | $140 Canadian... or about 99 pounds UK | Apr 14 04:43 |
| Agent-Smith | One hundred dollars ??? | Apr 14 04:43 |
| Agent-Smith | One hundred and forty dollars ??? | Apr 14 04:44 |
| cubezzz | yes | Apr 14 04:44 |
| Agent-Smith | I mean... | Apr 14 04:44 |
| Agent-Smith | Wow | Apr 14 04:44 |
| Agent-Smith | Cheapo | Apr 14 04:44 |
| cubezzz | that's cheap yes :) | Apr 14 04:44 |
| cubezzz | there were lots of unsold 1200's | Apr 14 04:44 |
| Agent-Smith | But, it's used ??? | Apr 14 04:44 |
| cubezzz | yes | Apr 14 04:44 |
| cubezzz | they have New Old Stock but it's more expensive | Apr 14 04:45 |
| cubezzz | $140 for used | Apr 14 04:45 |
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| Agent-Smith | But, is it being manufactured yet ??? I mean, a new company ??? | Apr 14 04:46 |
| cubezzz | sort of | Apr 14 04:47 |
| cubezzz | there's eyetech | Apr 14 04:47 |
| cubezzz | also they announced X1000 which is new technology | Apr 14 04:47 |
| Agent-Smith | Hummmm... | Apr 14 04:48 |
| Agent-Smith | Is it built on 68000 processors ??? | Apr 14 04:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I know Roy is sleeping now, but I think he is right about the way to structure Apple and MS. Not to do it in a wrong way. Make the site like a news site, which it is. Some names that have not be taken, are Microsoft Report, or MS Roundup, which can also be used for Apple and Linux sections as well. | Apr 14 04:48 |
| cubezzz | PPC | Apr 14 04:48 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh | Apr 14 04:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its best to not make the site seem bias in the form, but to just show the facts. The truth is the thing that convinces. | Apr 14 04:49 |
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| Agent-Smith | What about the new C64 ??? | Apr 14 04:50 |
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| cubezzz | just standard hardware in a case that looks a bit like a c64 | Apr 14 04:51 |
| cubezzz | it's got nothing to do with old commodore | Apr 14 04:51 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh... I thought I could play ELITE again... | Apr 14 04:52 |
| Agent-Smith | Ehehehehehehe... | Apr 14 04:52 |
| Agent-Smith | ;-) | Apr 14 04:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] New toy - ProFire 2626 - wonderful addition to the studio http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire2626.html | Apr 14 04:53 | |
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| Agent-Smith | Well folks | Apr 14 04:53 |
| Agent-Smith | Just dropped by to let you know about this new EXCITING M$ Office 2010... | Apr 14 04:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Eheheheheh... | Apr 14 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | "Drink 582 cans of Coke and get a free movie ticket!" wow! | Apr 14 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 14 04:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Must go now | Apr 14 04:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Good night to all | Apr 14 04:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Bye | Apr 14 04:54 |
| cubezzz | later | Apr 14 04:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Cya my friend | Apr 14 04:54 |
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| DaemonFC | nyaaaaaah! | Apr 14 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamaterial_cloaking | Apr 14 04:57 |
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| DaemonFC | cloaked tanks | Apr 14 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | cloaked airplanes | Apr 14 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | cloaked soldiers :P | Apr 14 05:02 |
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| DaemonFC | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304604204575182721466632104.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines | Apr 14 05:14 |
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| DaemonFC | That bill goes as far as violating the fourth amendment | Apr 14 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | it gives the police the power to profile people and stop them without probable cause of a crime | Apr 14 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | they should be passing laws that makes it impossible for illegals to work or rent an apartment | Apr 14 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | if everyone had to prove US citizenship to work or rent an apartment, it would throw a major roadblock in front of the illegal aliens | Apr 14 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | and the feds couldn't strike that down | Apr 14 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | "You know what boat stands for.....'Bust Out Another Thousand'..." | Apr 14 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 14 05:21 |
| cubezzz | the amiga manuals are awesome | Apr 14 05:27 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[openuniverse140/@openuniverse140] RT @dai !openuniverse http://goo.gl/O2rz movei about public patents and there protection | Apr 14 05:43 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[openuniverse140/@openuniverse140] RT @webmink Last.FM kills music browsing and with it my reason for using them. Bye, guys: http://bit.ly/aryJDZ | Apr 14 05:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm going to the Chiropractor on the first :) | Apr 14 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Apr 14 05:56 |
| cubezzz | wow, xpdf maxes out the cpu | Apr 14 06:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | why are you using xpdf? | Apr 14 06:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | use evince without the gnome deps built in | Apr 14 06:35 |
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| cubezzz | odds are very good it won't compile on this box | Apr 14 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | just apt-get it =P | Apr 14 06:42 |
| cubezzz | can't | Apr 14 06:42 |
| cubezzz | not unless I hop over to another computer :) | Apr 14 06:42 |
| cubezzz | which I think I will | Apr 14 06:42 |
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| cubezzz-laptop | now I can use evince... it was already installed on this box | Apr 14 06:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Tell me, do your beloved company Apple and M$ support truth-seeking websites like @Wikileaks? Or @CampaignForLiberty? @odaynasser | Apr 14 06:52 | |
| cubezzz-laptop | oh yeah, this is a million times better :) | Apr 14 06:52 |
| cubezzz-laptop | wonder why xpdf was so slow? | Apr 14 06:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Tell me, do your beloved corporations Apple and M$ support truth-seeking websites like @Wikileaks or @CampaignForLiberty? @odaynasser | Apr 14 06:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Plone4 is awesome! Excellent work #Plone team! :D | Apr 14 06:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | I want one of those!!! | Apr 14 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | Winchester Model 1886 repeater | Apr 14 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 14 07:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Doing a spot of writing. | Apr 14 07:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Listening to my last.fm recommended radio, my mind is boggling with so much fantastic music - http://is.gd/brUbW | Apr 14 07:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ...particularly loving Molotov Solution. :-) | Apr 14 07:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Oh, and by the way, I forgot to tweet about http://is.gd/brUkH the LugRadio Documentary that @tonywhitmore did - check it out! | Apr 14 07:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Windows is so hard to manage, even Microsoft have to get outside help! http://tinyurl.com/y45onk2 | Apr 14 07:30 | |
| Jose_X | hey, is anyone here awake and willing to check on a webpage for me and then the google cache version. it appears a bunch of comments got removed but maybe it's a problem with my location. | Apr 14 07:30 |
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| Jose_X | alright, if anyone is interested try the website as well as the cache (the cache will sync up soon I imagine): http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=9kb&rls=com.pclinuxos%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=http%3A%2F%2Ffosspatents.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F04%2Fibm-confused-and-confusing-but.html&lr=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | Apr 14 07:36 |
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| Jose_X | censorship of ideas (even if the ideas are not that great) is not something I appreciate (certainly not when it happens to me). | Apr 14 07:37 |
| Jose_X | No one might be at fault, btw. Who knows what happened | Apr 14 07:38 |
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| Jose_X | ok, i think the topic is important so while i don't care too much now on the details of that thread, i want to quote from elsewhere but the same topic. | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | From a groklaw comment: | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | >> | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | My point is that the compiler (build environment) and run time environment | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | defines exactly what the source code will do, regardless of what any standard | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | says or what the source code authors expect. | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | So, in the case of people that want to know what a binary is doing, you need to | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | know more than simply the source code of the "shell" application, but | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | need to have certainties about the behavior of the platform on which the app | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | will run and on which it will be built. | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | There are very natural embrace, extend, extinguish strategy that become possible | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | only when the software application developers can't easily verify the behavior | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | of these platforms that are doing the EEE. | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | Eg, if a line of source says, "loop eating cheese, until cheese runs | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | out" but something else happens, then you don't have the (real) source, do | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | you? | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | Continuing, the compiler and runtime might have effectively modified the above | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | "source code" behavior to: | Apr 14 07:45 |
| Jose_X | > Loop eating cheese until the cheese reaches 10 slices or until the OS sends | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | a signal to jump to a new routine that was secretly inserted into the program by | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | the compiler. This routine does the following: throw remaining cheese into trash | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | after first making a copy of the cheese and sending it in encrypted delayed | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | chunks to EvilCheeseAnalyzer.com. | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | So you see, "source code" is meaningless if it isn't the source code | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | that corresponds to how the application is behaving. | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | This makes perfect sense. If I run Apache web server, I expect behavior | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | according to the source code that I have for Apache web server. If the behavior | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | doesn't match, I consider that I don't have the correct source code. | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | And this is one reason why open source is rather weak until a full open source | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | platform and build tools exist. This is why the FSF begun with these basic tools | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | and not with a bunch of other applications. | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | Of course, Apache uses more liberal and vulnerable license than the GPL, so I | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | don't know what those folks' goals are. Perhaps they are being more | Apr 14 07:46 |
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| Jose_X | "practical" and/or are assuming ethical behavior from platform | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | vendors. L | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | << | Apr 14 07:46 |
| Jose_X | that reply was at someone that apparently essentially felt that WinFOSS (eg, apache running on windows) is just as foss as any other foss | Apr 14 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | FLOOOOOOOOOOOOD | Apr 14 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 14 07:48 |
| Jose_X | sorry but it's only a few lines | Apr 14 07:48 |
| Jose_X | :P .... | Apr 14 07:48 |
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| MinceR | Jose_X: you might even be able to find exact examples of winblows modifying certain apps to make or break compatibility | Apr 14 07:49 |
| Jose_X | [that's "watery liquid that forms in your mouth and helps you to chew and digest food" at the end there, btw] | Apr 14 07:49 |
| MinceR | (well, allegedly for that) | Apr 14 07:49 |
| Jose_X | bugs create compat problems | Apr 14 07:49 |
| Jose_X | that's why foss devs ask for source and not just blind black box interfaces | Apr 14 07:50 |
| Jose_X | closed source is a convenient excuse to thwart interop' | Apr 14 07:50 |
| Jose_X | of course, the vendor can aggravate the problems | Apr 14 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | usually when I see something break it's because the vendor had 6 damned months to make it compatible while that Windows version was in beta | Apr 14 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | and still doesn't have a compatible version 6 months later | Apr 14 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | not naming names though *cough*Firefox | Apr 14 07:51 |
| Jose_X | why would you blame firefox | Apr 14 07:51 |
| Jose_X | it's windows the one that doesn't show their source code | Apr 14 07:51 |
| Jose_X | of course, bugs on linux is a different thing | Apr 14 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | cause it took the over a year to fix it to where Vista didn't have to use a compatibility shim to make it work | Apr 14 07:52 |
| Jose_X | firefox is valuable to microsoft today | Apr 14 07:52 |
| MinceR | Jose_X: also, the exact compiler binary might count >> http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2007/04/strange_loops_dennis_ritchie_a.php | Apr 14 07:52 |
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| DaemonFC | then when Windows 7 came out, it took them over a year to have one that did things like IE does, such as Peek | Apr 14 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla is so wickedly horribly behind, it's unreasonable | Apr 14 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | and their Windows support actually looks perfect compared to any other OS | Apr 14 07:53 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: apps are supposed to be compatible with all future OS versions now? | Apr 14 07:53 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: without a well-specified, reliable API? | Apr 14 07:53 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: do you want a pony with that? | Apr 14 07:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: That's why the public beta and RC programs are there | Apr 14 07:53 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: no, that's why sound development practices are there | Apr 14 07:54 |
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| DaemonFC | so new app versions can be developed and tested before the final version ships | Apr 14 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla still sucks | Apr 14 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | for months to come, after it ships | Apr 14 07:54 |
| MinceR | specifying what the APIs of the OS do and making sure the implementation actually obeys the specs | Apr 14 07:54 |
| MinceR | it is up to m$ to make sure that the same system call does the same thing in the new version | Apr 14 07:54 |
| Jose_X | test to windows is a strategy that allows embrace extend and extinguish of other platforms and which gives microsoft advantages in eg ie | Apr 14 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | my point is that Mozilla had plenty of time | Apr 14 07:55 |
| MinceR | you have no point | Apr 14 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | they should have been Vista compatible before it was released | Apr 14 07:55 |
| MinceR | mozilla didn't have to do anything | Apr 14 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | same with 7 | Apr 14 07:55 |
| Jose_X | my point is that windows source code is not shown so you can't expect mozilla to know the windows "bugs" | Apr 14 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | no, they could have yanked support for 90% of their users | Apr 14 07:55 |
| MinceR | m$ keeps claiming their newest crap is always backwards compatible yet they never practice due diligence | Apr 14 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | that makes a worse business strategy | Apr 14 07:55 |
| Jose_X | it's a treadmill | Apr 14 07:56 |
| Jose_X | you don't want people to fall of | Apr 14 07:56 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: or they could stop wasting their time and tell users to upgrade to gnu/linux | Apr 14 07:56 |
| Jose_X | off | Apr 14 07:56 |
| Jose_X | nor to get ahead of the pace you set for them | Apr 14 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Gasoline is the only practical fuel for cars because of all the cars that run on gasoline | Apr 14 07:56 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: bullshit | Apr 14 07:56 |
| Jose_X | a linux distro featuring firefox and related apps would be great | Apr 14 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is the only practical PC OS because most apps run on Windows | Apr 14 07:56 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: apps don't consume APIs | Apr 14 07:56 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: another piece of bullshit | Apr 14 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | saying you filled up your tank with gas doesn't make you any more evil than running Windows | Apr 14 07:57 |
| MinceR | your analogy fails hard | Apr 14 07:57 |
| Jose_X | a software os is much more complex than gasoline and is monopolized and is not regulated by gov | Apr 14 07:57 |
| MinceR | the car consumes gas, the computer doesn't consume windows | Apr 14 07:57 |
| MinceR | software isn't consumed, in general | Apr 14 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You could swim upstream and use niche cars with niche fuel sources, and some are novel | Apr 14 07:57 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i could make and sell gasoline | Apr 14 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | but they become expensive and unreliable | Apr 14 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | and more of a pain in upkeep than they're worth | Apr 14 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | you couldn't afford some of those cars even if they were free | Apr 14 07:58 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: once again, you have no idea what you're talking about | Apr 14 07:58 |
| Jose_X | yes, too many competing stds doesn't help | Apr 14 07:58 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: btw, gasoline wasn't what the first cars ran on | Apr 14 07:58 |
| Jose_X | but the one that survives should be as open as possible | Apr 14 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: So if someone walked up and handed me a car that ran on CNG for free, then that's nice | Apr 14 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | now WTF do I do with it? | Apr 14 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | drive it around? | Apr 14 07:59 |
| Jose_X | we should perhaps standardize on Linux, come to think of it.. just think of the cars!] | Apr 14 07:59 |
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| DaemonFC | I couldn't get to any fuel station in the state that sells CNG before I ran out of fuel :) | Apr 14 07:59 |
| Jose_X | of course, we find linux volunteers all the time because it is so great | Apr 14 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | so I know, I just reorganize my life around the car and move closer to a station that sells CNG | Apr 14 08:00 |
| Jose_X | cng is much more expensive (scarce resource with nonzero mass) | Apr 14 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | but then what if I want to go out of state? | Apr 14 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | does the car become useless? | Apr 14 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | not enough service stations that sell CNG? | Apr 14 08:00 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i'll make it clearer for your sake: OS APIs have nothing to do with alternative energy sources for cars | Apr 14 08:00 |
| Jose_X | linux has a growing community in virtually every state | Apr 14 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | even if there are some, do I zig zag around the entire country to reach them along the way? | Apr 14 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that less efficient? | Apr 14 08:00 |
| Jose_X | Linux is so good that people volunteer for it | Apr 14 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | no economy of scale = no support for the product | Apr 14 08:01 |
| Jose_X | we still need to break various forms of windows lockin | Apr 14 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | if there's no mass market for something, you may as well forget about using it | Apr 14 08:01 |
| Jose_X | before standardization on linux can be fulfilled | Apr 14 08:01 |
| MinceR | m$ wouldn't recognize software engineering if it hit them on the head | Apr 14 08:01 |
| Jose_X | oh there is a very important and growing market for source code... | Apr 14 08:01 |
| Jose_X | for $0 source code | Apr 14 08:01 |
| Jose_X | for platforms | Apr 14 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't matter if anyone likes buying gas | Apr 14 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's all there is | Apr 14 08:02 |
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| DaemonFC | it's a cost of car ownership, you don't have a choice, and if you go for a niche product you get pwned | Apr 14 08:02 |
| MinceR | actually there's also diesel, LPG, E85 (or what it's called) and electricity | Apr 14 08:02 |
| Jose_X | DaemonFC, your gas analogy doesn't correspond well with operating systems.. i've been trying to tip you off but maybe you don't see the analogy | Apr 14 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | E85 is worse | Apr 14 08:02 |
| MinceR | probably other forms of energy too | Apr 14 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | Diesel is jsut as bad | Apr 14 08:02 |
| Jose_X | i wil be leaving very soon, btw. | Apr 14 08:02 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter if it's worse, it also exists | Apr 14 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh, and TRY getting a diesel to start in the winter | Apr 14 08:03 |
| MinceR | irrelevant | Apr 14 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | hope you don't mind waking up an hour earlier to try and start the damned thing | Apr 14 08:03 |
| MinceR | (also, afaik that issue has been solved already) | Apr 14 08:03 |
| Jose_X | not "getting up" is one reason people leave windows | Apr 14 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you need a block heater, which is another failure prone thing you now rely on | Apr 14 08:04 |
| MinceR | news flash, your car is full of failure prone things | Apr 14 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | yes, why add more though jsut to run it on something jsut as bad as gasoline? | Apr 14 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | E85 is actually way more expensive than gasoline because it kills your gas mileage and you pay even more in corn subsidies | Apr 14 08:05 |
| MinceR | why consider more than one aspects of a decision? | Apr 14 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | better to not encourage them | Apr 14 08:05 |
| MinceR | corn subsidies are specific to some countries, not a technical issue | Apr 14 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | well, in that case, if the subsidies were removed, E85 would cost nearly double for the same mileage | Apr 14 08:05 |
| MinceR | also, you could produce E85 from switchgrass and other weeds | Apr 14 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | it really really is a horrible fuel idea | Apr 14 08:06 |
| MinceR | guess what, even gas prices vary between countries | Apr 14 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | it already costs more than gasoline even without subsidies at all levals | Apr 14 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | just from giving you bad mileage | Apr 14 08:06 |
| MinceR | (i know, this whole "rest of the world" concept is hard to grasp for a usian) | Apr 14 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they do silly things | Apr 14 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | like tax their citizens and call it a climate law | Apr 14 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | the liberals here want to make our country like that | Apr 14 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | fuck em | Apr 14 08:07 |
| MinceR | yes, silly things like not occupying middle eastern countries to get gas cheaper | Apr 14 08:07 |
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| DaemonFC | gas hasn't gotten cheaper | Apr 14 08:07 |
| Jose_X | are you guys a team? | Apr 14 08:07 |
| Jose_X | well, gotta go? | Apr 14 08:08 |
| MinceR | not really | Apr 14 08:08 |
| Jose_X | ? -> . | Apr 14 08:08 |
| MinceR | i know, DaemonFC derailed the discussion with unrelated idiocy | Apr 14 08:08 |
| Jose_X | ok, well three is a crowd..and i do have to go. | Apr 14 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | see, if we double the price on things and say it's to save the environment, it's OK | Apr 14 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | even if it's just another way to seize people's wealth and property | Apr 14 08:08 |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 14 08:08 |
| Jose_X | i don't mind... foss supporters will have to take crap for a while | Apr 14 08:09 |
| MinceR | waging war on them and taking their property that way is a lot better, i know | Apr 14 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I'm going to tax your food to where you spend twice as much on it as you do now | Apr 14 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | a third of the people in Hungary might starve | Apr 14 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | but it's to save the Polar Bears | Apr 14 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | mmmk? | Apr 14 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | and then I take the money and don't use it to save polar bears | Apr 14 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | what a wonderful concept? | Apr 14 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | I can tax anything I want and call it "green" | Apr 14 08:10 |
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| DaemonFC | the liberals want to increase energy prices, that means they want to increase the cost of doing or buying anything | Apr 14 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a nice fake front for a huge tax increas | Apr 14 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | *increase | Apr 14 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | what they'll do with the money, I don't know | Apr 14 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | probably give it to the UN and run more illegal sex slave programs in 3rd world countries | Apr 14 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | under the guise of a "foreign aide" program | Apr 14 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | liberals are good at seizing and spending my money | Apr 14 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | I will give them that | Apr 14 08:13 |
| MinceR | all sorts of politicians are good for that | Apr 14 08:13 |
| MinceR | it's what they do | Apr 14 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Are you aware of a concept called "tragedy of the commons"? | Apr 14 08:13 |
| MinceR | (well, one half of what they do. the other half is making people miserable by making stupider laws) | Apr 14 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | What's even worse is when you have universal health coverage that costs next to nothing to use and covers all kinds of questionable procedures | Apr 14 08:14 |
| MinceR | what does that have to do with the discussion so far? | Apr 14 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | people think "shit, I have a stake in this and no choice about that" "Dammit, I am going to use the crap out of this!" | Apr 14 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | liberal social programs always take more money to run than they should and the cost increases become exponential the bigger the pool | Apr 14 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | because of this mindset | Apr 14 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | for example MinceR, Medicare | Apr 14 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare used to require x-rays to prove you had sublexations of your spine before they would pay the chiropractor | Apr 14 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | so the person doing the x-ray interpretation is the chiropractor, he fudges everything to say you need treatment | Apr 14 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare pays for the x-rays, the consultation, and the treatment | Apr 14 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | the chiropractor takes them for a ride | Apr 14 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | the chiropractors even dropped the requirement of an x-ray | Apr 14 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | so now anyone with Medicare can go in there and immediately get diagnosed with a horrible back problem that the chiropractor starts an open ended, very expensive, treatment regimen for | Apr 14 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | and people will say "Hell, I pay x amount in premiums!" and stumble upon the chiropractor services when figuring out how to break even | Apr 14 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | "Yeah, my back aches a little I guess" | Apr 14 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | people consider money seized by the liberals and put into a pool as a forced investment that they need to recoup | Apr 14 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I don't even really blame them | Apr 14 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: That's kind of where I stand on subsidies and taxation | Apr 14 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | it all leads to a planned economy | Apr 14 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | which doesn't work | Apr 14 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | now on the other hand, you have a thing called capitalism | Apr 14 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | in this system, a company can put out a product and either have it flop or have it be a runaway success | Apr 14 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | people get mad when a individual or company succeeds where they are presently failing | Apr 14 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | I guess you can use that to explain some of the fringe "FOSS" people | Apr 14 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | critical mass is one thing that can keep something good or bad going for a long time | Apr 14 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's my gasoline car example | Apr 14 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | some flakey government subsidy to buy something you don't want, that isn't proven, that has more failures in every category would be more like the hybrid car | Apr 14 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | or the CNG car | Apr 14 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | Linux is subsidized to $0 and isn't gaining traction | Apr 14 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | what's wrong with this picture? | Apr 14 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | and yes, it's subsidized, there's lots of money spent on development but the code itself is given away | Apr 14 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | something that is subsidized to free and isn't catching on could mean a lot of things | Apr 14 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | compatibility? | Apr 14 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | familiarity? | Apr 14 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | "Why won't people take this!?!?!?" they say, frustratedly | Apr 14 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo | Apr 14 08:26 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.pubpat.org/About.htm | Apr 14 08:28 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, DaemonFC | Apr 14 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | morning | Apr 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:25] <DaemonFC> and yes, it's subsidized, there's lots of money spent on development but the code itself is given away | Apr 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz | They make money from it | Apr 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat, IBM... | Apr 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz | Invested in, not subsidized | Apr 14 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I mean mainly the vultures at Canonical | Apr 14 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | their work is already basically done | Apr 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | Windows is subsidized by Gates Foundry? | Apr 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | For the "betterment of computing"? | Apr 14 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | they just screw it over real bad and ship it | Apr 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | Depends | Apr 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu won't last as dominant | Apr 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | You'll see.... | Apr 14 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | if Canonical had to do any significant development work, they would have burned through all of Shuttleworth's money and then some within a year | Apr 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Canonical didn't target servers, not initially | Apr 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | No mainframe (h/w), either | Apr 14 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | they essentially just put together a book and make up a new coversheet | Apr 14 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | a book someone else wrote | Apr 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva deserves share | Apr 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | I still love Mandriva tools | Apr 14 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical merely sorts the pages in order | Apr 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: nice analogy there... | Apr 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Apr 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | It wrote a preface | Apr 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | And it does some proofreadingh | Apr 14 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical is doing such a surprisingly small amount of actual work that carries over into other distributions that I consider them kind of predatory | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | They do work | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | But not research | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | For example... | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu would not develop an FS | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | IBM would | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Or Oracle | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | They have vested interest in it | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Oracle has almost 90% of clients on GNU/Linux | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | It needs to squeeze out every ounce of performance | Apr 14 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | I guess there is a double standard, but I wouldn't expect a R&D department and a bazillion new lines of code for something coming out of a one man operation | Apr 14 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | Slackware for instance | Apr 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu gives a nice menu allowing you to choose FSes in the installer | Apr 14 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | but when Ubuntu is throwing around millions of dollars and hundreds of employees..... | Apr 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: 200-men | Apr 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Apr 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Slackware | Apr 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you mean, taking them from Dbian :-) | Apr 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | Depletion | Apr 14 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | You kind of expect they'd give back according to the size of their operation and the funding available | Apr 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | From volunteer to paid | Apr 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they do give back | Apr 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this in 2007 in techrights | Apr 14 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | why is the focus off of Novell? | Apr 14 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | are they done for? | Apr 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | They'll be sold this year | Apr 14 08:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's just a focus thing | Apr 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | Google "Novell" | Apr 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | Techrights is still #6 | Apr 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | There's all the material about Novell in the front page | Apr 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | http://wcco.com/wireapnewswi/Wisconsin.tea.party.2.1611459.html | Apr 14 08:37 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's why the Teabaggers aren't dangerous | Apr 14 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | worst case, they vote Republican, I bet they all did to begin with | Apr 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8998 | Apr 14 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | "Even though most Tea Partiers insist they are independent from mainstream political parties, members of Wisconsin's tea party are openly working hand in glove with Republican leaders." | Apr 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz | AstroTurf? | Apr 14 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | always has been | Apr 14 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans are behind the Teabagger crap | Apr 14 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | they tell the thousands of warm bodies where to go | Apr 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/9003 | Apr 14 08:40 |
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| DaemonFC | and it looks like they have a lynch mob assembled in front of that place | Apr 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newsweek.com/id/235883 | Apr 14 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Teabagger is a sack of ** | Apr 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Just add water | Apr 14 08:41 |
| schestowitz | Palin calling for violence against Democrats? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWHiijk2Yb0 | Apr 14 08:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Small win, but... ♺ @galoppini #EU beats US: European Patent Office ruled that Amazon’s 1-click patent is obvious http://is.gd/bpTVr #swpat | Apr 14 09:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @galoppini #EU beats US: European Patent Office ruled that Amazon’s 1-click patent is obvious http://is.gd/bpTVr #swpat | Apr 14 09:11 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The IPKat - IP news, views and mews: Amazon patent up the creek in Europe .::. Size~: 148.62 KB | Apr 14 09:11 |
| schestowitz | WHat a baseless or poorly-backed claim: http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2010/04/06/is-oracle-quietly-killing-open-office/ | Apr 14 09:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting comments from people making massive assumptions about my parenting based on one blog post. | Apr 14 09:25 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OMLSs8t1ng | Apr 14 09:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Follow the #wikimedia @1BillionEdits countdown Twitter! (courtesy Tim "Avatar" Bartel) | Apr 14 09:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Full history dumps for English #Wikipedia at last! http://is.gd/bs1tX | Apr 14 09:40 | |
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| Eruaran | hi all | Apr 14 09:51 |
| Eruaran | Why aren't you all in #techrights? ;) | Apr 14 09:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Looking forward to Farnham Beer Festival on Friday with @alanbelltolc and @theopensourcerer | Apr 14 09:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here is the type of people who pass #ACTA : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9R-cQ_A_6w | Apr 14 10:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The EPO acknowledged the patentability of inventions which include software contributing to a technical effect (VICOM) http://ur1.ca/v06l | Apr 14 10:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Today's enthusiastic Aries New Moon could bring you more infor... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 14 10:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] March was the warmest ever recorded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfA1LpiYk2o | Apr 14 10:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GMWatch #GMO mandate is a "stealth corporate giveaway" embedded in a foreign aid bill http://bit.ly/bpFbfp #Monsanto // same old tricks | Apr 14 10:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Troll the Socialists about ACTA tomorrow at 14:00: http://ur1.ca/v0d7 | Apr 14 10:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] CompTIA pushing for software patents in the EIF "ICT standards and development models that reject valid IP": http://ur1.ca/v0e2 | Apr 14 10:38 | |
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| Eruaran | Don't you just love it when people use phrases like, "the notion of open standards"... | Apr 14 10:41 |
| Eruaran | As if real, genuine, open standards that are implementable are some kind of quaint little notion... | Apr 14 10:42 |
| Eruaran | Can you imagine what it would be like if industries like automotive operated this way? | Apr 14 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: we need a log fast | Apr 14 10:43 |
| schestowitz | *logo | Apr 14 10:43 |
| Eruaran | If manufacturers couldn't agree to fully open, published standards? | Apr 14 10:44 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: ok | Apr 14 10:44 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: I will work on it tonight... have to finish up a couple of things here at work first | Apr 14 10:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab Troll is a negative word | Apr 14 10:48 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pirate Party of Canada is official http://ur1.ca/v0fq #awesome #arrr | Apr 14 10:48 | |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: the "notion of car safety" | Apr 14 10:48 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: use some image that relates to site's theme maybe, or name | Apr 14 10:49 |
| schestowitz | tech-rights-freedom-research.... png with transparent background.... green tones maybe, like the site's pages/palette | Apr 14 10:49 |
| schestowitz | I can do something myself, but you're better at that :-) | Apr 14 10:50 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: I've been collecting various types of magnifying glass images... | Apr 14 10:50 |
| schestowitz | http://events.wcnc.com/charlotte/events/github-east-coast-tour-/E0-001-029866236-9?ref=belowidget | Apr 14 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: not copyrighted, I hope :-) | Apr 14 10:51 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: indeed ;P | Apr 14 10:51 |
| schestowitz | I like the fonts you used | Apr 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | All caps | Apr 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Some people have written "techRIGHTS" | Apr 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | I think it's because the other guy who made graphics wrote it that way | Apr 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | We need to organise some of our pages on Apple more effectively, to show the problem they are... | Apr 14 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I'll do this now | Apr 14 10:53 |
| Eruaran | Android apps have doubled in three months | Apr 14 10:59 |
| Eruaran | I find that quite extraordinary | Apr 14 11:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Odd problem with podpress. It things an ogg audio file is video. So doesn't give duration, but dimensions as meta data!? | Apr 14 11:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The nauseating, bathetic revelations that dog #Palin's trajectory don't cost her politically-everyone expects them; character being destiny. | Apr 14 11:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The woman who took The Beverly Hillbillies as a life plan. #Palin | Apr 14 11:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] CAFC is definitely pro-software patents: "Innovation has moved beyond the brick and mortar world" http://ur1.ca/v0k0 | Apr 14 11:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] If Stevens writes the opinion that would all but certainly mean that software is not patentable: http://ur1.ca/v0mq | Apr 14 11:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Apple_Deception | Apr 14 11:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Critical section just added to the top of the #Apple index in Techrights http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Apple | Apr 14 11:48 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm.. it doesn't get the headline right, even without redirection | Apr 14 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Test: http://techrights.org/2010/04/12/turbohercules-based-in-seattle/ | Apr 14 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | Seems like it's only a problem from the server's reach itself, works fine from here | Apr 14 11:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GreeGreece Chinese ship ‘gouged 2mile scar’ in Great Barrier Reef http://tinyurl.com/y6onoq7 /#china scumbags were in prohibited waters | Apr 14 11:54 | |
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| oiaohm | I missed a loop hole in the OIN agreement. The members agree to not to use any of there patents against Linux based stuff. Now turbohercules pushing a solution depending on windows is opps all bets are off. | Apr 14 12:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/185-jennifer-cloer/300094-linuxcom-planning-meeting-details- | Apr 14 12:13 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Ulteo has just joined | Apr 14 12:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.indidea.org/gael/blog/?p=117 http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Ulteo-Joins-Open-Invention-Network-1146538.htm | Apr 14 12:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BoycottNovell has moved to another planet (domain) on the same ‘cloud’ http://ur1.ca/v0vm we need Wiki contributions | Apr 14 12:28 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.streetinsider.com/Analyst+Comments/UBS+Sees+Red+Hat+(RHT)+As+A+Compelling+Takeover+Target/5525872.html | Apr 14 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | :-| | Apr 14 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: http://www.henriksen-rom.com/william/2010/04/fedora-13-beta-first-installation/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/13/fedora_13_beta_review/ | Apr 14 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Early look[s] | Apr 14 12:37 |
| Ender2070 | im already running it | Apr 14 12:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] A Tax Form for the Marginally Employed i.e. Writers - American but still funny - http://nyti.ms/aIdUPD | Apr 14 12:48 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: beta? | Apr 14 12:49 |
| schestowitz | or alpha? | Apr 14 12:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_the_mad_hatter A Tax Form for the Marginally Employed i.e. Writers - American but still funny - http://nyti.ms/aIdUPD | Apr 14 12:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Oracle has already cut back the MySQL roadmap to avoid competing with its own database.." http://ur1.ca/v0yr | Apr 14 12:52 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/WarGames-IMSAI-8080-Sale-Buy,10170.html | Apr 14 12:52 |
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| Ender2070 | beta | Apr 14 13:05 |
| Ender2070 | it was out yesterday | Apr 14 13:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz "#Oracle has cut back #MySQL roadmap 2 avoid competing with own DB" http://ur1.ca/v0yr //obv this is very good 4 #postgresql | Apr 14 13:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Friedman is an irredeemable asshole #iraq #war #crime http://is.gd/bsdon (via @ggreenwald) | Apr 14 13:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just released a new episode of @uupc http://bit.ly/ddXNxQ \o/ | Apr 14 13:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'the right to information from govt is on the brink of being “totally obliterated”' http://bit.ly/a6wLWt #canada #cdnpoli #harper #foia | Apr 14 13:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 have you see http://techrights.org/2010/04/11/thomas-friedman-and-uw-disinformation/ ? | Apr 14 13:31 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: how does one respond to The Reg article which says Ubuntu us better? | Apr 14 13:31 |
| schestowitz | *s | Apr 14 13:31 |
| schestowitz | *is | Apr 14 13:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-676591.html | Apr 14 13:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Free software arrival: http://ur1.ca/v17t Lightworks 'open', but what licence? http://ur1.ca/v17u | Apr 14 13:52 | |
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| schestowitz | Joe Brockmeier http://ostatic.com/blog/the-joy-of-betas-fedora-13-beta-released-today | Apr 14 13:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Uploaded to Soundclick: Websurfing by Marti van Lin. Listen now: http://tinyurl.com/y4sszhf | Apr 14 13:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Uploaded to Soundclick Insence by Marti van Lin. Listen now: http://tinyurl.com/y7wqhq2 | Apr 14 14:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] just noticed that we have crossed 7000 discussion on LUG-IITD group http://groups.google.com/group/iitdlug (Member = 963 ) soon 1K #foss | Apr 14 14:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Updated on SoundClick: The Slog by Marti van Lin. (Previous version was distorted) Listen now: http://tinyurl.com/yhnqobe | Apr 14 14:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@RyanMcGreal wonder if Friedman still feels that way //do we care? during his puerile testosterone jag, mlns were trying to stop the #war | Apr 14 14:10 | |
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| martinjh99 | Just a quickie Roy - Will I have to change my RSS feed url when the migration is complete??? | Apr 14 14:11 |
| martinjh99 | This is the link I have at the moment... http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed/http%3A%2F%2Fboycottnovell.com%2Fwp-rss2.php | Apr 14 14:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz good summary. Mundie stenography was SO blatant in Friedman's column, amazing he can still get away with it in a national rag | Apr 14 14:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The previous BoycottNovell at last has a more appropriate name: http://techrights.org | Apr 14 14:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The slavish stenography Friedman does for his #Microsoft backers (when he's not boosting #war) is far more destructive than mere sycophancy | Apr 14 14:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Friedman is no journalist; just copyist whore whose ideology's as thin as the cheques he banks. Krauthammer at least writes shit for free(?) | Apr 14 14:20 | |
| martinjh99 | Will I have to change my RSS feed when the new address comes online? | Apr 14 14:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @floschie: Is #OOo the next? @schestowitz "Oracle already cut back MySQL roadmap to avoid competing with" Oracle.. http://ur1.ca/v0yr | Apr 14 14:28 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... never seen BN like this: | Apr 14 14:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed/http://boycottnovell.com/wp-rss2.php#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fboycottnovell.com%2Fwp-rss2.php | Apr 14 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | martinjh99: no, it's already migrated | Apr 14 14:28 |
| schestowitz | And there is a redirection, so I don't think you need to change anything | Apr 14 14:28 |
| martinjh99 | :) Thanks Roy just wondering... | Apr 14 14:28 |
| martinjh99 | Been getting posts so I guess it has worked... ;) Didn't realise the url had chaged! | Apr 14 14:29 |
| schestowitz | I never saw BN displayed like this, but I know we have tons of readers who just fetch full feed and read it off the site | Apr 14 14:29 |
| schestowitz | I think our commenters need to delete their old cookies | Apr 14 14:29 |
| martinjh99 | I read posts via Google Reader - Works for me :) | Apr 14 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Else they can't log in to comment, but it's not urgent | Apr 14 14:29 |
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| martinjh99 | From what I gather about cookies it stores the old domain not the new one so yes they do need to delete them or just log out and back in | Apr 14 14:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra @floschie the danger is that Novell wants to fork/control OO.o and Mcirosoft gives MSO cheaply now | Apr 14 14:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra @floschie I reckon Microsoft will try to do a Netscape | Apr 14 14:32 | |
| martinjh99 | I hope OO.o doesnt die - Best free office suite plus all my docs are ODF... | Apr 14 14:32 |
| schestowitz | martinjh99: the cookies are tied to a domain | Apr 14 14:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "We are going to cut off their air supply. Everything they're selling, we're going to give away for free." Paul Maritz, Microsoft | Apr 14 14:33 | |
| schestowitz | martinjh99: it can't die | Apr 14 14:33 |
| martinjh99 | I I realise that now you've said that ;) GPL Isn't it? | Apr 14 14:33 |
| schestowitz | The JS PR bunnies are still tryint to warp coverage, I see... "So naming a software company Jaspersoft, kind of throws up images of country walks and biscuit dunking for me. Maybe that’s not such a bad thing though eh?" http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/software-application-development-10005692/golden-labradors-choc-chip-cookies-and-open-source-business-intelligence-10015538/ | Apr 14 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Despite me mentioning walkies and cookies every time the good people from Jaspersoft PR call me, they insist on turning the conversation round to open source business intelligence (BI) – and so, inevitably, the theme of this blog will follow suit." | Apr 14 14:35 |
| schestowitz | They also sent me lots of PR junk before being turned away | Apr 14 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Marketing people are useless | Apr 14 14:35 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] When writing social software think "How will this software get my users laid" http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html #funny /via @yuvipanda | Apr 14 14:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @ProfBrianCox "Electric Dreams" on BBC2 tonight, tomorrow and Friday at 7pm - every geek will love it - Sinclair Spectrums, the lot ! | Apr 14 14:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] LOL How ISPs are borking old buildings in Portugal http://blog.angulosolido.pt/2010/04/gente-com-fibra.html | Apr 14 14:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz "Give it away for free?" as malfunctioning "Starter Edition" dump-ware. Microsoft is about greed and dominion. | Apr 14 15:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Even if they gave me a gratis copy of Vista7 Ultimate. It's to late. Microsoft is a passed page. | Apr 14 15:04 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://seekingalpha.com/article/198411-eu-standards-body-accidentally-supports-microsoft | Apr 14 15:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst the idea is to drop short-term profit, kill rivals, then price-hike | Apr 14 15:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Who da' thunk it ;-) | Apr 14 15:31 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9175459/Apache_project_server_hacked_passwords_compromised?taxonomyId=88 | Apr 14 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'd love to find out that one of the yob had a Windows box there, leaving passwords stored on it available for an intruder to grab. | Apr 14 15:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Abolishing the U.S. Patent System Is Coming Soon http://ur1.ca/v1t9 | Apr 14 15:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab exaggerated claims? | Apr 14 15:45 | |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: the first paragraph is kind of phraased strangely | Apr 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/60074 http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=6250 | Apr 14 15:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just got a lovely feedback mail to @uupc from a guy in Russia.Never ceases to amaze me how nice our listeners are. | Apr 14 15:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra @floschie #Oracle is a DB company at the heart, OOo is no real threat to its core biz | Apr 14 15:48 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] India 1997/1998: http://daniel.haxx.se/travel/india/ /via @abbe | Apr 14 15:48 | |
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| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: this one? "Hackers broke into a server used by the Apache Software Foundation to keep track of software bugs." | Apr 14 15:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The decks are stacked against software startups in patent litigation http://ur1.ca/v1up | Apr 14 15:49 | |
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| schestowitz | Huh?'♻ @schestowitz "We are going to cut off their air supply. Everything they're selling, we're going to give away for free." P Maritz, MS http://identi.ca/conversation/28461756#notice-28518394 | Apr 14 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | Sme people don't know the Netscape case, I see.... | Apr 14 15:49 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: it claims no open source databases of clients themselves were harmed, just a repository? | Apr 14 15:50 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: on Oracle I read according to many MySQL is combersome and needs a good reworking | Apr 14 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: I use mysql just in Web sites I run | Apr 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz | thus, I hardly need it to evolve | Apr 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz | For developers of the CMS it's another story | Apr 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz | In 2008 when Sun got MySQL I pushed for WordPress to support more DBs | Apr 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Not everyone was supportive | Apr 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Then, later on O told them to move to [A]GPLV3 | Apr 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz | MySQL is used in some massive deployments | Apr 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz | So it needs imoproving | Apr 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Digg and Facebook just moved off mysql | Apr 14 15:53 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: oh rly but aren't there also simpler open source alternative for smaller scale as well? | Apr 14 15:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] in Ubuntu, GUI based Packages File Viewer Will be nice idea - List packages , on clicking show all installed files #ubuntu #idea | Apr 14 15:55 | |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: sqlite | Apr 14 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla picked it | Apr 14 15:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Obama: Intellectual property is to the digital age what physical goods were to the industrial age: http://ur1.ca/v1x0 | Apr 14 15:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @eduvid in Ubuntu, GUI based Packages File Viewer Will be nice idea - List packages , on clicking show all installed files #ubuntu #idea | Apr 14 15:56 | |
| schestowitz | No Mork | Apr 14 15:56 |
| schestowitz | And Google uses that too | Apr 14 15:56 |
| schestowitz | But Google also gave patches to mysql, so it's used there heavily as well | Apr 14 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Then there are the half dozen forks | Apr 14 15:56 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: do you think MySQL is waining in popularity? | Apr 14 15:57 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 14 15:57 |
| schestowitz | More people install FOSS | Apr 14 15:57 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Dear neighbour, what is the point in having a WPA encrypted wireless network if never ever connect a client to it? | Apr 14 15:58 | |
| schestowitz | mysql is de facto, postgres does ok too | Apr 14 15:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab Obama is like Biden when it comes to so-called "IP" #mafiaa #cronycapitlism | Apr 14 15:58 | |
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| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: ok so what do you think the fate is for other former Sun assets? Pardon for not being totally up to date. | Apr 14 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Oracle wants the hardware and the patents | Apr 14 16:03 |
| schestowitz | It got it cheaply | Apr 14 16:03 |
| schestowitz | But it has a commitment to mysql | Apr 14 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Russia and EU antitrust | Apr 14 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | For 3 years | Apr 14 16:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Seven Patent Reforms to divert your energy from subject matter reforms: http://ur1.ca/v1zd | Apr 14 16:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Seven Patent Reforms to divert your energy from software patents abolition: http://ur1.ca/v1zd | Apr 14 16:09 | |
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| Ziodotmatrix | what will happen after that? | Apr 14 16:10 |
| Ziodotmatrix | anyway I got to go now, laters | Apr 14 16:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sending a support ticket to Drobo Inc about my excessively noising drobo :( | Apr 14 16:29 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi there. | Apr 14 16:31 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, ping | Apr 14 16:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Rumour has it that @htc will release Android 2.x for Hero in the UK on Friday, day of beerfest. Must resist! | Apr 14 16:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning people of the tubes, how's life today? | Apr 14 16:38 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, are you there? | Apr 14 16:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] It seems like @jasonhiner from #Techrepublic is having a bout of dignity these days. Good for him! http://tinyurl.com/y3xhseg | Apr 14 16:46 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: One big thing Ubuntu can teach Microsoft, Apple, and all CTOs | Tech Sanity Check | TechRepublic.com .::. Size~: 143.48 KB | Apr 14 16:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Today at 11am Pacif / 2pm Eastern / 6pm UTC - my live videocast, this time: release parties, Q+A - watch live at http://is.gd/bsv3Y #ubuntu | Apr 14 16:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Is Intellectual Property A Violation Of Real Property? - http://bit.ly/9FfMHs some nice ideas there #intellectualmonopolies | Apr 14 16:50 | |
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| schestowitz | hey, Omar87 | Apr 14 16:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, hi. | Apr 14 16:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, have you read Hiner's recent post? | Apr 14 16:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it seems he's having a bout of dignity these days. | Apr 14 16:51 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Ignore him | Apr 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I saw his stuff, next he'll cuss @ Linux | Apr 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | It's the "I'm curious" type who try something to break it apart | Apr 14 17:04 |
| *schestowitz watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR4y_OJ03Zc | Apr 14 17:04 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, yeah. That's why I said he's having a "bout" of dignity. The moment this "bout" comes to an end, he probably won't even remember writing that article. | Apr 14 17:07 |
| schestowitz | You need to get behind someone to stab soneone in the back | Apr 14 17:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, agreed. | Apr 14 17:14 |
| Omar87 | Or, you can hug him with a knife stashed under your sleeve too. | Apr 14 17:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, why not also changing the name of the IRC channel? | Apr 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz | There was an American Nazi party? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWHwVVneUlM | Apr 14 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: join #techrights | Apr 14 17:28 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Apr 14 17:32 |
| Eruaran | Installing the GIMP... Manipulating text in Scribus is like nailing a screwdriver into your head | Apr 14 17:33 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran, :-) | Apr 14 17:39 |
| Eruaran | I just can't get the text I want in any program | Apr 14 17:39 |
| Eruaran | Its retarded | Apr 14 17:39 |
| Eruaran | What do devs think people want to do with text? | Apr 14 17:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Exactly. They exist to make money from your extreme ignorance and complete indoctrination. @odaynasser | Apr 14 17:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] What Firefox addons must be added by Ubuntu team by default in live CD/USB ? #firefox #ubutnu #addon #live ?? | Apr 14 18:00 | |
| Eruaran | Far out... GIMP tutorials assume you already understand the terminology and tools... they're not tutorials... they're giving me a migrane | Apr 14 18:09 |
| Eruaran | "it should look like this..." | Apr 14 18:13 |
| Eruaran | Yeah well it DOESN'T | Apr 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | It's matter of practice | Apr 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | GIMP is good when you know how it's used | Apr 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I've used GIMP for almost a decade; I don't need to rely on something else anymore | Apr 14 18:14 |
| Eruaran | I don't really want to spend a decade on this | Apr 14 18:16 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't take long to learn | Apr 14 18:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] LOL! KFC and Disney. :D KFC for their zero-nutrition 100%-fat junk, and Disney fr the hellish subliminal msgs in their movies. @odaynasser | Apr 14 18:27 | |
| Eruaran | You know a tutorial is bad when you've got to find another tutorial to help you get through the first tutorial | Apr 14 18:28 |
| Omar87 | ROFL! According to a guy on twitter: "They [M$ and crApple] deserve the money they get, just like other big companies like KFC and Disney. | Apr 14 18:29 |
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| Omar87 | Eruaran, KFC and Disney deserve their money, do they? :P | Apr 14 18:32 |
| Eruaran | ? | Apr 14 18:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Moving to Fossjobs.in #foss #jobs #india http://post.ly/aQ7c | Apr 14 18:42 | |
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| Omar87 | Eruaran, read my previous message. | Apr 14 18:43 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran, a guy is saying that M$ and Apple deserve their money just like KFC and Disney do. | Apr 14 18:43 |
| Eruaran | I have to do this tomrrow... too tired right now | Apr 14 18:47 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Black Duck: Proprietary Software for Proprietary Software http://techrights.org/2010/04/14/black-duck-software-patents-vs2010/ | Apr 14 18:48 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: KBR too | Apr 14 18:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, KBR? | Apr 14 18:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, okay, found it on Wikipedia. | Apr 14 18:50 |
| Omar87 | But what about KBR? | Apr 14 18:50 |
| Ziodotmatrix | The ISO 639 linguistic identifier code for the Ethiopian language Kaffa (or Kafa).? | Apr 14 18:51 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Bing! | Apr 14 18:51 |
| Ziodotmatrix | lol jk, thought I would be dramatic | Apr 14 18:52 |
| Ziodotmatrix | it's not a search engine it's a way for advertisers to strip more cash from you and plunge your credit score while thinking you're saving money, descsion engine that is simply MSN reskinned | Apr 14 18:53 |
| Ziodotmatrix | seriously though are you reffering to Key-based routing? | Apr 14 18:55 |
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| Eruaran | my apologies for being short tempered tonight... just too tired to concentrate... I'm off to bed | Apr 14 19:01 |
| MinceR | r4wr | Apr 14 19:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Alrighty, about to kick off my live videocast about organizing release parties, and a live Q+A - join us now! http://is.gd/bsv3Y #ubuntu | Apr 14 19:11 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: I was making the joke that making wars is "money well earned" | Apr 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Money is not indicative of succeed or "good" | Apr 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | "Strive not to be a man of success, but rather strive to be a man of value.” --Albert Einstein | Apr 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: won't work | Apr 14 19:29 |
| schestowitz | He'd sent bullies. BillG surrounds himself with 1100+ patent trolls, using NathanM as his proxy :-) | Apr 14 19:29 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, true. I agree. | Apr 14 19:32 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: The irony in what he said is that KFC, which makes zero-nutrition, 100%-fat junk food deserve their money. :P | Apr 14 19:33 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: oh, and don't get me started on Disney who have a history full of sins and scandals. Too bad people are too drunk and blind to care. | Apr 14 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Disney is VERY racist | Apr 14 19:46 |
| schestowitz | As for KFC, there's the saturated fats | Apr 14 19:46 |
| schestowitz | And their ballooned creatures that they call "chicken" | Apr 14 19:46 |
| schestowitz | omg. check this out: http://web.archive.org/web/20070120021332/techrights.com/ | Apr 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that techrights.org was once registered in 2007 | Apr 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | So I looked that up in archive.org | Apr 14 19:48 |
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| TechrightsBot | So I looked that up in archive.org | Apr 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | It was also both the .com and .org | Apr 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://techrights.net/ | Apr 14 19:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Treats #Mono Like It Treats Flash; #GNU #Linux Should Too http://techrights.org/2010/04/14/apple-vs-foreign-api/ | Apr 14 19:53 | |
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| Agent-Smith | Hi there folks | Apr 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | o/ | Apr 14 19:55 |
| gnufs | http://aligunduz.org/blog/sneak_peak_at_the_black_box_inside_your_phone | Apr 14 19:55 |
| Agent-Smith | Good afternoon | Apr 14 19:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: GLOG by Ali Gündüz - Free People, Free Society .::. Size~: 5.13 KB | Apr 14 19:55 |
| Agent-Smith | Mr. Schestowitz, is that you ??? | Apr 14 19:56 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, I read an article about Oracle Killing Open Office silently... | Apr 14 19:57 |
| Agent-Smith | What do you think about it ??? | Apr 14 19:58 |
| Agent-Smith | http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2010/04/06/is-oracle-quietly-killing-open-office/ | Apr 14 19:58 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is Oracle Quietly Killing OpenOffice? | Revelations From An Unwashed Brain .::. Size~: 70.35 KB | Apr 14 19:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Making profit off the consumer's ignorance. @odaynasser | Apr 14 20:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] If they had to slash your neck from ear to ear in order to make money, they will. @odaynasser | Apr 14 20:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] It's amazing how we people quickly fall for the splending eye-candy without giving a damn about what lurks inside. @odaynasser | Apr 14 20:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Fyi, M$ and Apple could be spying on you while you're totally hypnotized by their lies. @odaynasser | Apr 14 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: yeah | Apr 14 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: yes, I was just writing about this post | Apr 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Oracle | Apr 14 20:16 |
| Agent-Smith | Go on, Mr. Schestowitz | Apr 14 20:19 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, I'm chocked | Apr 14 20:20 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean? | Apr 14 20:20 |
| Agent-Smith | Now, that Open Office is better than it ever was... | Apr 14 20:20 |
| Agent-Smith | Someone comes with this ??? | Apr 14 20:20 |
| Agent-Smith | How on earth ??? | Apr 14 20:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Example of #Microsoft ’s Platform Xenophobia and Chronic Dumping http://ur1.ca/v3yp #openoffice #Amanita | Apr 14 20:24 | |
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| schestowitz | OK, posted ^^ | Apr 14 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Quick explanation | Apr 14 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: it can't die | Apr 14 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IBM won't let it | Apr 14 20:25 |
| schestowitz | It's Lotus and ODF | Apr 14 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat too... Novell *shudder* | Apr 14 20:25 |
| Agent-Smith | Yes, IBM is strong with Symphony | Apr 14 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Vendors depend on OOo, it can't die | Apr 14 20:25 |
| Agent-Smith | And there's also GO OFFICE from Novell... | Apr 14 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Office is the one to die, or move online | Apr 14 20:26 |
| Agent-Smith | Yes, but, how can pieces of FUD pop up now ??? | Apr 14 20:26 |
| Agent-Smith | Against OO ??? | Apr 14 20:27 |
| cubezzz | that's MIcrosoft's way, always FUD | Apr 14 20:30 |
| Agent-Smith | Damn | Apr 14 20:31 |
| Agent-Smith | That really made me very angry | Apr 14 20:31 |
| Agent-Smith | Now ??? Right Now ??? When OO is a viable contender ??? | Apr 14 20:32 |
| Eruaran | The more serious the threat, the bigger the FUD. | Apr 14 20:32 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, my dear friends and colleagues of CHAT | Apr 14 20:34 |
| Agent-Smith | I just dropped by to leave that link and that article | Apr 14 20:34 |
| Agent-Smith | Hope Mr. Schestowitz, you write a beautiful post on that matter, as you often do... | Apr 14 20:35 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, Got to go | Apr 14 20:50 |
| Agent-Smith | By night I will be back | Apr 14 20:50 |
| Agent-Smith | Bye folks | Apr 14 20:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In about an hour I will interview Sam Ramji from the Codeplex Foundation on FLOSSWeekly - watch live at http://live.twit.tv | Apr 14 20:51 | |
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| schestowitz | "from people you trust " *LOL* | Apr 14 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Always distrust people who say "trust me" | Apr 14 20:52 |
| schestowitz | And FLOSSWeekly is promoting Microsoft now | Apr 14 20:53 |
| cubezzz | what? why? :) | Apr 14 20:55 |
| cubezzz | ad revenue? | Apr 14 20:55 |
| schestowitz | They promote the company that attacks FLOSS | Apr 14 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Not the first time, either | Apr 14 20:56 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/10/sync-cheapens-openness/ | Apr 14 20:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @webmink: US government finally admits most piracy estimates are bogus: http://icio.us/qoyqze | Apr 14 20:57 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: US government finally admits most piracy estimates are bogus .::. Size~: 33.63 KB | Apr 14 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | this week's twit was supposed to be the lullabot peeps about drupal | Apr 14 20:57 |
| cubezzz | techrights is hella slow :) | Apr 14 20:57 |
| schestowitz | load average: 7.46, 8.79, 6.54 | Apr 14 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Too much traffic | Apr 14 20:58 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess that's been rearranged if codeplex is today :( | Apr 14 20:58 |
| cubezzz | ah there we go | Apr 14 20:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @webmink: US government finally admits most piracy estimates are bogus: http://icio.us/qoyqze | Apr 14 20:59 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: we already use caching | Apr 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I've just looked at the logs | Apr 14 21:00 |
| schestowitz | It's about 100 hits per minute | Apr 14 21:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @pedromelo: Ainda bem que vivemos num estado laico (Governo aprova tolerancia de ponte durante a visita do Papa) | Apr 14 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | But that also lists bots | Apr 14 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | "Huntington University to host middle school math competition" | Apr 14 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | 2x2 = Jesus | Apr 14 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 14 21:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Corporate Copyright Scofflaws 0005 – The UK News Media - Including Rupert Murdoch http://bit.ly/9jdlVi | Apr 14 21:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | <ecap-ws-prod.usps.com> | Apr 14 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | Warning, you are using Opera Version /9.80 (Windows NT 6.1 | Apr 14 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | The recommended browsers to view this page are: | Apr 14 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | - Internet Explorer 4.0 or better | Apr 14 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | - Netscape 4.0 or better | Apr 14 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | arrrgh | Apr 14 21:11 |
| cubezzz | lol | Apr 14 21:12 |
| cubezzz | gee, no Lynx? | Apr 14 21:12 |
| cubezzz | I'm personally offended | Apr 14 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just insulted that it doesn't think Opera 10.52 is better than IE or Netscape 4.0 :( | Apr 14 21:13 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Whats with Corporate America and neurotoxins in food? http://ur1.ca/v4ae | Apr 14 21:13 | |
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| cubezzz | still on doze I see :-/ | Apr 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/28461673#notice-28543741 "@schestowitz @ruiseabra NVL is not the only one who can do a fork... anyone must do this, imho. Soon. We are loosing the soul of OOo atm." | Apr 14 21:13 |
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| DaemonFC | new Opera build out | Apr 14 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'm on 3347 and 3353 was just released :D | Apr 14 21:14 |
| *DaemonFC loves RSS | Apr 14 21:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @gbraad: RT @fabsh I've decided I might call TurboHercules "TurboTesticles" from now on... :) < as a pun towards "big meerkat balls" ? | Apr 14 21:15 | |
| DaemonFC | "Fixed CORE-29063 (Swedish BankID crashes Opera, on pensionsmyndigheten.se)" | Apr 14 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Apr 14 21:15 |
| cubezzz | you receive a swedish pension? :) | Apr 14 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | Fixed DSK-291499 (Opera 10.51 will not run on windows XP x64 for some users) | Apr 14 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | actually, there were only three Windows-specific bugs fixed in this build, all minor | Apr 14 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | 15 Linux-specific ranging from minor to seriour | Apr 14 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | nothing Mac-specific, but there's still a build out because it fixes generic issues B-) | Apr 14 21:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Eurostar booked to attend Ubuntu Developer Summit. Looking forward to helping make Ubuntu 10.10 awesome! | Apr 14 21:18 | |
| DaemonFC | this just tells us that the Windows version is way ahead of the Linux build | Apr 14 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | which was already apparent | Apr 14 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Apr 14 21:19 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Hong Kong has 1gbps fiber for $26/mo. Fuck you, Hong Kong http://ur1.ca/v4d0 | Apr 14 21:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: There's fiber coming here :D | Apr 14 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Cinergy has crews busy installing it | Apr 14 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/France-Condemns-Vatican-for-Blaming-Abuse-on-Gay-Priests-90850709.html | Apr 14 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: France Condemns Vatican for Blaming Abuse on Gay Priests | Europe | English .::. Size~: 35.06 KB | Apr 14 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | go France! | Apr 14 21:26 |
| neighborlee | I had no idea france was so pro rights ;) | Apr 14 21:28 |
| neighborlee | I feel better now having learned french in high school o_0 | Apr 14 21:29 |
| neighborlee | tres grand! | Apr 14 21:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #India Chooses Life Over #Patents ; #Microsoft Chooses Poorly-Paid Labour in India http://ur1.ca/v4f8 | Apr 14 21:30 | |
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| neighborlee | sometimes those with the most sin cast the largest stones ( as in fear instead of standing up for the dignity of equality: closet cases ) | Apr 14 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | The Catholics first tried to deny and cover it up | Apr 14 21:31 |
| neighborlee | yeah we know | Apr 14 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | that failed, but it was a manageable crisis | Apr 14 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | now that i involves their Pope, they'll say or do anything to deny, minimize, and blame others | Apr 14 21:32 |
| neighborlee | only because not enough people spoke up against it | Apr 14 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Why was he being such a Dope? | Apr 14 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | "He was mentally ill, Ratzinger was just trying to get him help!" | Apr 14 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | "Ratzinger had no idea he'd be working with kids again at a new church in a few years!" | Apr 14 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | "It's those damned gays!" | Apr 14 21:33 |
| neighborlee | lol plausible denial ;) | Apr 14 21:33 |
| neighborlee | or so they'd hoped ;) | Apr 14 21:34 |
| schestowitz | They also blame "Jews" now | Apr 14 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | "No, it's not about being sexually repressed, at all, never!" | Apr 14 21:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] No. I'm saying that more than 95% of the world's population refuse to see the real picture, that these companies are criminals. @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:34 | |
| schestowitz | They blamed the media | Apr 14 21:34 |
| schestowitz | They should blame PR, not the media | Apr 14 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Must be bad karma | Apr 14 21:34 |
| neighborlee | a preist rec ently came out saying media NOT to blame, and he might lose his job over it...but good for him. | Apr 14 21:34 |
| schestowitz | And the man upstairs is now helping to alleviate it | Apr 14 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | they can't admit fault or apologize at this point, schestowitz | Apr 14 21:35 |
| *schestowitz ducks because neighborlee is here | Apr 14 21:35 | |
| neighborlee | lol | Apr 14 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | their Canon Law forbids the Pope admitting to wrongdoing | Apr 14 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Pedophile priest: "God made me do it!" | Apr 14 21:35 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 14 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | if it was JUST a priest, they could apologize, settle the lawsuit, and be done with it | Apr 14 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Abraham: "God made me kill Issac" | Apr 14 21:35 |
| schestowitz | So... | Apr 14 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | No, God was just fucking with him | Apr 14 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | remember? | Apr 14 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 14 21:36 |
| schestowitz | People's own moral compass can supersede that of a higher being if they disagree | Apr 14 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | God wanted to know if he was loyal enough to kill his son because God told him to do it | Apr 14 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | Wouldn't God, being God, already know if he would or not? | Apr 14 21:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] When people blindly consume things without taking the time to think it through, then they are being willfully ignorant. @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:37 | |
| neighborlee | well its way overdue, this whole notion that you MUST be celibate to be a preist....there is even rumor- that jesus/mary were a 'thing',,in the gospel of thomas I think it is where its mentioned...so pfft. | Apr 14 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder exactly how much overlap there is between the laughably inexplicable crap there is in Christianity when compared to Islam or Judaism | Apr 14 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I know the Muslims don't really have the concept of demons as such | Apr 14 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | there are good, evil, and neutral Djinn | Apr 14 21:39 |
| neighborlee | its not christs fault, that his 'followers' are so full of crap..'some' of them anyway | Apr 14 21:39 |
| neighborlee | :) | Apr 14 21:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Consumerism and materialism the two most dangerous plagues of this age. @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:40 | |
| neighborlee | wrong | Apr 14 21:40 |
| neighborlee | dont forget capitalism | Apr 14 21:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] No. Actually it is you who are willfully being Bill Gate's chicken that lays golden eggs. @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Once you stop laying golden eggs, he'll slaughter you and feed you to his pets. @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:43 | |
| neighborlee | lol | Apr 14 21:43 |
| neighborlee | cluck cluck ;) | Apr 14 21:44 |
| Omar87 | neighborlee, exactly. :) | Apr 14 21:45 |
| neighborlee | heh | Apr 14 21:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] In stead of blindly consuming this junk food without knowing what it's really made of, why don't you learn how to feed yourself? @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:45 | |
| Omar87 | neighborlee, his response to the message was: "its actually just u who doesnt wanna pay for good products. stay with that rubbish u r using." | Apr 14 21:45 |
| neighborlee | ugh | Apr 14 21:45 |
| neighborlee | that aint half of what ails this world | Apr 14 21:46 |
| neighborlee | we're going nowhere important until we stop eating like birds of prey | Apr 14 21:46 |
| neighborlee | imho. | Apr 14 21:46 |
| neighborlee | that and go back to a agrarian like lifestyle | Apr 14 21:46 |
| neighborlee | and we dont have to give up technology to do it | Apr 14 21:46 |
| neighborlee | remember that one startrek movie which had a very similar theme ;) | Apr 14 21:47 |
| Omar87 | neighborlee, no. We don't have to give up technology to do it, I agree. | Apr 14 21:47 |
| neighborlee | :)) | Apr 14 21:47 |
| Omar87 | neighborlee, we just need to gain control of our own technology, instead of waiting for MS to spoon-feed it to us. | Apr 14 21:48 |
| neighborlee | remember the 'hippie' movement of the 60-70's..they tried something similar and it worked somewhat..then somebody in charage got brainy idea to 'share wives', and after that soon it ALL went nuts ( bad pun sorry: it all went under) | Apr 14 21:48 |
| neighborlee | moral of story..be careful what you wish for o_0 | Apr 14 21:48 |
| Omar87 | neighborlee, lol. | Apr 14 21:49 |
| neighborlee | :) | Apr 14 21:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Oh, it's not junk? When it gets pwned at PWN2OWN in under 2 minutes? Can you call that anything other than junk? @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:54 | |
| neighborlee | heh well | Apr 14 21:55 |
| neighborlee | android is a step in the right direction :)) | Apr 14 21:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] When you can't spend a single day without an anti-virus, that's not junk? @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:55 | |
| neighborlee | as much as M$ and apple im sure hate it ;) | Apr 14 21:55 |
| neighborlee | though I do admit to liking osX a bit | Apr 14 21:55 |
| MinceR | android is a step in the wrong direction from gnu/linux | Apr 14 21:55 |
| neighborlee | well at least its free | Apr 14 21:56 |
| neighborlee | and PORtable ;) | Apr 14 21:56 |
| neighborlee | da future | Apr 14 21:56 |
| MinceR | i hope MeeGo is the future there, not android | Apr 14 21:56 |
| neighborlee | dunno about the hardware | Apr 14 21:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] When M$ can be easily spying on you without you having a friggin' idea about it, is that not junk? @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:56 | |
| neighborlee | hm meego o_0 | Apr 14 21:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] When M$ shoves Window 7 down your throat and forces you to upgrade to it. That's not junk? @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] No. No hard feeling. I'm just trying to teach him how these companies are more dangerous than the Mafia. @AmerSweidan @odaynasser | Apr 14 21:58 | |
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| neighborlee | yes as much as I wanted to try anyway to like win7, its def. not without issues, if not tons better than vista | Apr 14 22:00 |
| neighborlee | sometimes I wish I was still using xp o_0 sigh | Apr 14 22:00 |
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| MinceR | gnu/linux is fine for me :> | Apr 14 22:00 |
| neighborlee | atm I dont trust it | Apr 14 22:01 |
| neighborlee | I want to | Apr 14 22:01 |
| neighborlee | :) | Apr 14 22:01 |
| neighborlee | im picky as hell | Apr 14 22:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to interview Sam Ramji live on FLOSSWeekly at http://live.twit.tv/ | Apr 14 22:01 | |
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| neighborlee | things must work...the first time..or im gone | Apr 14 22:01 |
| amarsh04 | a few recent ACTA links: | Apr 14 22:01 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.itnews.com.au/News/171910,netizens-how-acta-will-make-a-criminal-of-you.aspx | Apr 14 22:01 |
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| neighborlee | ah yes acta | Apr 14 22:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Btw, why didn't you come to the Open Source Camp a couple weeks ago? :) @AmerSweidan | Apr 14 22:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I see. ye36eel el 3afyeh. =] Hope to meet you soon en sha'a Allah! ;-) @AmerSweidan | Apr 14 22:06 | |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: thanks for the links. I'll post them all later | Apr 14 22:09 |
| amarsh04 | the first link has a reference to a paper available for download: http://works.bepress.com/kimweatherall/20/ | Apr 14 22:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "Free software is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand it, you should think of 'Free' as in Free Speech, not as in Free Beer." ~RMS | Apr 14 22:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Doens't it? @manna_87 | Apr 14 22:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] When you willfully buy a M$ or Apple product which you know deep inside that it's ugly and useless, this is indoctrination. @odaynasser | Apr 14 22:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @lxoliva: RD @johnsu01 Interesting graph of artist revenue: http://ur1.ca/v4rb => labels are greedy liars | Apr 14 22:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] stop and install moovida just now :) http://post.ly/aT3e | Apr 14 22:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Elive Linux + Gobo Linux = GNU iMAC #foss #linux | Apr 14 22:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On way home....not long now.... | Apr 14 23:16 | |
| MinceR | re the office article: isn't lockergnome a m$ fansite? | Apr 14 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | "Gone so soon" | Apr 14 23:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #meego false "opensource" #Sousou & #Jaaksi: *no* way to run the FLOSS components on #MeeGo on device w/out proprietary software #lfcollab | Apr 14 23:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Last via @bkuhn.... | Apr 14 23:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] But «false "opensource"» is mine. | Apr 14 23:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GMWatch @moodindi Brazil cane #ethanol catastrophic 4 #Amazon http://bit.ly/aOp2ax //last 7% of Atlantic forest threatened by #biofuels | Apr 14 23:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #IBM , #TurboHercules, #Microsoft , New Zealand, Palm, and #CompTIA http://ur1.ca/v4f8 | Apr 14 23:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ruiseabra #meego false "opensource" ... *no* way to run the FLOSS components on #MeeGo on device w/out proprietary software #lfcollab | Apr 14 23:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://bit.ly/9IMwUd #Brazil's "clean #energy"...isn't. Debt slavery, large scale #deforestation, dirty unsustainable cropping. #biofuels | Apr 14 23:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] US Government admits most Piracy studies are nosense: http://tinyurl.com/y7f9m8h | Apr 14 23:56 | |
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