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| cubezzz | everyone ignores mine :) | Apr 22 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Slahdot is always first! | Apr 22 00:00 |
| cubezzz | I feel left out, I don't get shills | Apr 22 00:00 |
| cubezzz | Linux is definitely on the rise though | Apr 22 00:01 |
| cubezzz | here is the KO punch against Microsoft... | Apr 22 00:02 |
| cubezzz | you don't know what windows is doing really | Apr 22 00:02 |
| cubezzz | that finishes it for me | Apr 22 00:02 |
| cubezzz | it could be phoning home to redmond, you wouldn't know | Apr 22 00:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCqQRflUWd4&feature=channel | Apr 22 00:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Learn to Speak Tea Bag .::. Size~: 100.2 KB | Apr 22 00:03 |
| cubezzz | even windows advocates lament the need for virus scanners and the whole bit | Apr 22 00:03 |
| cubezzz | windows is not even defensible | Apr 22 00:04 |
| cubezzz | there's Linux everything, even vending machines | Apr 22 00:05 |
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| cubezzz | Linux power meters | Apr 22 00:07 |
| cubezzz | probably a ton of other stuff I don't even know about | Apr 22 00:07 |
| schestowitz | [00:02] <cubezzz> it could be phoning home to redmond, you wouldn't know | Apr 22 00:07 |
| schestowitz | We know | Apr 22 00:07 |
| schestowitz | It does phone | Apr 22 00:07 |
| schestowitz | People disassembled too | Apr 22 00:08 |
| schestowitz | We know what it sends | Apr 22 00:08 |
| cubezzz | how about WIn7? | Apr 22 00:08 |
| schestowitz | And how often | Apr 22 00:08 |
| cubezzz | does it still do that? | Apr 22 00:08 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I saw Vista tests | Apr 22 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is Vista | Apr 22 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Same spying, maybe worse | Apr 22 00:08 |
| cubezzz | figures | Apr 22 00:08 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-the-WGA-20-Windows-Vista-Features-and-Services-Harvest-User-Data-for-Microsoft-58752.shtml | Apr 22 00:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Forget about the WGA! 20 Windows Vista Features and Services Harvest User Data for Microsoft - From your machine! - Softpedia .::. Size~: 83.62 KB | Apr 22 00:09 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah WGA | Apr 22 00:09 |
| cubezzz | I mean how many reasons do you need to stop using doze? | Apr 22 00:10 |
| Ziomatrix | this is a good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCJHi-b0rhw | Apr 22 00:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Credit Card Reform in Action .::. Size~: 91.86 KB | Apr 22 00:13 |
| cubezzz | btw I asked this person who owned every computer you could think of... | Apr 22 00:13 |
| cubezzz | RS/6000, Sun boxes, Macs, PCs, Amiga, etc | Apr 22 00:13 |
| cubezzz | which computer did they like the best? | Apr 22 00:13 |
| cubezzz | answer: Amiga | Apr 22 00:13 |
| cubezzz | best documented also | Apr 22 00:14 |
| cubezzz | SGI was a close 2nd | Apr 22 00:15 |
| Ziomatrix | I just heard on CBS that children who use iPad to count marshmellows will do better in life then those that don't | Apr 22 00:16 |
| cubezzz | :-/ | Apr 22 00:17 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: well the Amiga had, Copper, Blitter, 68k CPU and Zorro slots along with the usual RAM, ROM and PSU. Its a pretty simple system to map out the hardware compared to the complicated micro managed behemothsof today | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | ACTA | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | ACTA Treaty Draft Text Released | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | ACTA is also similar to another arcane law, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which, under the guise of protecting "property rights," snuck in provisions that criminalize even the mere possession of technology that can be used to circumvent digital protection systems (see, e.g., my post TI Uses Copyright Law to Attack TI Calculator Enthusiasts). Likewise, under the guise or protecting property rights in inventions and artistic | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | works (patent and copyright), it "seeks to provide legal authority for the surveillance of Internet file transfers and searches of personal property". As one group notes, "ACTA goes way, way beyond the TRIPS (the copyright/patent/trademark stuff in the World Trade Organization agreement), creating an entirely new realm of liability for people who provide services on the net". More invasion of personal liberty and property rights in the | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | name of false, artificial property rights. | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002878 | Apr 22 00:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Against Monopoly .::. Size~: 25.33 KB | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | ACTA: threats to Free Software | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Second, ACTA is not a trade agreement. Whatever the EU negotiators claim, the fact is that ACTA goes beyond current legislations and aims at creating internationally harmonized legislations on how “intellectual property rights” should be enforced. This is one of the reason why ACTA is creating its own body (the Committee) with its own executives (the Secretariat), independently from the World Trade Organization within which | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | international trade agreements should be negotiated, and independently from World Intellectual Property Organization within which international treaties dealing with copyright, trademark and patents are usually negotiated (and open to NGOs like FSFE). The threat to Free Software is that there is absolutely no safeguards as to how the principles of freedom and sharing software would be kept intact. | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.fsfe.org/hugo/2010/04/acta-threats-to-free-software/ | Apr 22 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Sorry | Apr 22 00:18 |
| cubezzz | mega flood :) | Apr 22 00:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: hugos blog » ACTA: threats to Free Software .::. Size~: 47.22 KB | Apr 22 00:18 |
| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, yeah that's why I'm going to buy one, next pay probably | Apr 22 00:19 |
| schestowitz | hypePad? | Apr 22 00:19 |
| Ziomatrix | Thats the best analogy of ACTA, a flood of intelectual property law and DRM forced down as many throats as possible | Apr 22 00:19 |
| schestowitz | No, no... | Apr 22 00:20 |
| schestowitz | it's to stop fake medicine... | Apr 22 00:20 |
| schestowitz | To save lives | Apr 22 00:20 |
| schestowitz | [along with other things... MANY things] | Apr 22 00:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GreeGreece Glox News (All the slime that's fit to print) http://tinyurl.com/29g2joo // another wonderful @tomtomorrow emission | Apr 22 00:20 | |
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| schestowitz | If you don't like ACTA, you want fake medicine to kill people | Apr 22 00:20 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I thought its also to give artists the freedom to gain royalties from their work all over the world and have 75% of it given to the major record labels while they're able to take songs which they aren't even sure have copyrights | Apr 22 00:21 |
| cubezzz | people lived without pills for centuries | Apr 22 00:21 |
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| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: lies, we need our medicine for wrestless leg syndrome | Apr 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2010/04/i-cant-make-calls-on-my-ipad.html | Apr 22 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: here's your homoeopathy pills | Apr 22 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Or you can have real medicine by liquid | Apr 22 00:24 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I want my speed derived ridaline | Apr 22 00:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://newstechnica.com/ was broken for several hours - I finally noticed and it's back now | Apr 22 00:24 | |
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| schestowitz | If you want a cup of coffee, then you need just 6 swimming pool of "strong" homoeopathy 'sleeping pills' | Apr 22 00:24 |
| schestowitz | *pools | Apr 22 00:25 |
| Ziomatrix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZVG5cgnH8Q | Apr 22 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Rage-Ex .::. Size~: 96.07 KB | Apr 22 00:26 |
| Ziomatrix | I just find these cartoons funny | Apr 22 00:28 |
| Ziomatrix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMp0ODMfizk | Apr 22 00:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Doctor Decline: Hold Tight .::. Size~: 100.68 KB | Apr 22 00:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] LiveJournal are stealing affiliate link income again and selling your click data http://bit.ly/bX3OFO | Apr 22 00:30 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: antumbral: dear lj: plz to stop being dicks, kthx .::. Size~: 87.44 KB | Apr 22 00:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/planes-or-volcano/ | Apr 22 00:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Planes or Volcano? .::. Size~: 53.23 KB | Apr 22 00:30 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: if only this would bring back the ocean liner industry lol | Apr 22 00:31 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: maybe ekranoplans will become popular as they fly just over sea level, they're more fuel efficient too | Apr 22 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Could make transatlantic vessels | Apr 22 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Big investment | Apr 22 00:34 |
| schestowitz | magnet powered\ | Apr 22 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Good for cargo too | Apr 22 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Can use floaters | Apr 22 00:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@amazonwatch what can be done to stop #BeloMonte? international diplomatic pressure? #Brazil #Lula #Amazon #deforestation | Apr 22 00:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/19/women-blame-earthquakes-iran-cleric | Apr 22 00:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Women to blame for earthquakes, says Iran cleric |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 65.05 KB | Apr 22 00:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~parallax/ | Apr 22 00:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @tlw3 Federal Judge Grants Habeas Writ Due to #Torture Issues http://bit.ly/cV8A9o //ruling uses squeamish euphemism "abusive conditions" | Apr 22 00:38 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Federal Judge Grants Habeas Writ Due to Torture Issues - The BLT: The Blog of Legal Times .::. Size~: 59.9 KB | Apr 22 00:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Abusive conditions" is what you find in a typical workplace. If you find US-style #torture in a workplace, you should probably quit. #gtmo | Apr 22 00:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Asturian team drives the Asturian Language Academy migration to Ubuntu - http://is.gd/bCHJD #ubuntu | Apr 22 00:42 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: LoCo Stories: the Asturian team drives the Asturian Language Academy migration to Ubuntu | The Fridge .::. Size~: 12.43 KB | Apr 22 00:42 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: its nice to know there are Pat Robertsons in Iran too | Apr 22 00:45 |
| schestowitz | That's what I thought too | Apr 22 00:50 |
| schestowitz | It would be funny to retaliate in reverse | Apr 22 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Like repudiate "God" and blaming him for bad things | Apr 22 00:51 |
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| ender2070 | you guys are crazy | Apr 22 00:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2010/04/16/ps3-user-gets-linux-refund/ | Apr 22 01:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: PS3 user gets Linux refund .::. Size~: 28.92 KB | Apr 22 01:00 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: you mean that? | Apr 22 01:00 |
| cubezzz | Linux refund? | Apr 22 01:00 |
| ender2070 | yes | Apr 22 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Crazy for what? | Apr 22 01:01 |
| ender2070 | maybe not everyone | Apr 22 01:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jonobacon Asturian team drives the Asturian Language Academy migration to Ubuntu - http://is.gd/bCHJD #ubuntu | Apr 22 01:01 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: LoCo Stories: the Asturian team drives the Asturian Language Academy migration to Ubuntu | The Fridge .::. Size~: 12.43 KB | Apr 22 01:01 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Apr 22 01:01 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy | Apr 22 01:01 |
| ender2070 | you though, crazy | Apr 22 01:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Crazy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 20.94 KB | Apr 22 01:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Crazy may refer to: | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | * Glenn Beck | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | * Insanity | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | * Crazy Magazine (1973–1983), a comic magazine | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Surely vandalism | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: what for? | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | The "God" thing? | Apr 22 01:02 |
| ender2070 | doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result | Apr 22 01:02 |
| schestowitz | What thing? | Apr 22 01:02 |
| ender2070 | you'll figure it out | Apr 22 01:03 |
| ender2070 | if im wrong | Apr 22 01:03 |
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| cubezzz | ? | Apr 22 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Faker? | Apr 22 01:03 |
| cubezzz | possible | Apr 22 01:03 |
| cubezzz | didn't sound like him | Apr 22 01:03 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <ender2070> religions are for crazy people | Apr 22 01:03 |
| schestowitz | It's him | Apr 22 01:04 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'm not sure what he was on about though | Apr 22 01:04 |
| *cubezzz shrugs | Apr 22 01:04 | |
| *schestowitz scrolls up | Apr 22 01:04 | |
| schestowitz | no idea what's up.. | Apr 22 01:05 |
| cubezzz | exactly :) | Apr 22 01:05 |
| schestowitz | http://gigaom.com/2010/04/16/google-cloud-print-explained/ | Apr 22 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Google changes the name of Linux | Apr 22 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Android... | Apr 22 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS | Apr 22 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Like Ubuntu did | Apr 22 01:06 |
| Ziomatrix | nice way to teach children about credit default swaps and credit ratings for loans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIICA4bL9DM | Apr 22 01:06 |
| schestowitz | People forget about Linux, not just GNO | Apr 22 01:06 |
| schestowitz | GNU | Apr 22 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Wouldn't it be funny is Linus pulled an RMS? | Apr 22 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Cutting Through the Fog of Googles Cloud Print .::. Size~: 104.83 KB | Apr 22 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot | nice way to teach children about credit default swaps and credit ratings for loans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIICA4bL9DM | Apr 22 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot | People forget about Linux, not just GNO | Apr 22 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot | GNU | Apr 22 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Wouldn't it be funny is Linus pulled an RMS? | Apr 22 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Demanded that Google calls it Android/Linux? | Apr 22 01:06 |
| schestowitz | And Ubuntu/Linux | Apr 22 01:06 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | It's the whole branding thing | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | People are allowed to renamed the code | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Then market 'their' product | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2010/04/08/ubuntu-linux-hits-12-million-users/ | Apr 22 01:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Linux hits 12 million users - TECH.BLORGE.com .::. Size~: 39.27 KB | Apr 22 01:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ubuntu.com/ | Apr 22 01:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Home Page | Ubuntu .::. Size~: 14.75 KB | Apr 22 01:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 22 01:08 |
| schestowitz | What is Ubuntu? | Apr 22 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is an operating system built by a worldwide team of expert developers. It contains all the applications you need: a web browser, office suite, media apps, instant messaging and much more. | Apr 22 01:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 22 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Hm... | Apr 22 01:08 |
| schestowitz | "Ubuntu is an open-source alternative to Windows and Office." | Apr 22 01:09 |
| schestowitz | It mentions WIndows | Apr 22 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Search page for Linux | Apr 22 01:09 |
| cubezzz | yeah I guess it was really him | Apr 22 01:09 |
| schestowitz | No match found | Apr 22 01:09 |
| cubezzz | ~ender2070@bas1-brampton13-1177973356.dsl.bell.ca | Apr 22 01:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon http://www.ubuntu.com/ mentions "Windows", but the words "Linux" and "GNU" are absent. :-S | Apr 22 01:10 | |
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| cubezzz | there's lots of choices if you don't like Ubuntu | Apr 22 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Here's what I don't like | Apr 22 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Usually I can search for Linux | Apr 22 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Now I need to search for "Android" and "Ubuntu" | Apr 22 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Cause Linux is treated like it's chopped liver | Apr 22 01:12 |
| cubezzz | well it's a bunch of things | Apr 22 01:12 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: that's not the point though, it's not that I don't like Ubuntu; I do actually | Apr 22 01:12 |
| cubezzz | it's X, it's GNU, it's Qtopia, etc etc | Apr 22 01:12 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: it's branding | Apr 22 01:12 |
| cubezzz | it's like a bus, we have all the parts to make a good bus | Apr 22 01:13 |
| cubezzz | and everyone can ride on it | Apr 22 01:13 |
| schestowitz | http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/12089-Ready-switch-Linux.html | Apr 22 01:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ready to switch to Linux? .::. Size~: 40.34 KB | Apr 22 01:13 |
| schestowitz | many articles like this would just say "Ubuntu" | Apr 22 01:13 |
| cubezzz | I say Linux most of the time | Apr 22 01:13 |
| schestowitz | And when Ubuntu becomes the next Mandrake, then people may not be able to attribute it to the same strand | Apr 22 01:14 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I say GNU/Linux, because really that's what I use | Apr 22 01:14 |
| cubezzz | Linux is just a generalization now | Apr 22 01:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.timeslive.co.za/business/money/article407379.ece/Big-4-freeze-in-face-of-changing-habits "I recall that Absa offered to e-mail me the statement in a Microsoft format. As a computer geek I only use Linux, so I ignored it - thereby inadvertently volunteering to give Absa R5 a month to kill trees for no purpose. " | Apr 22 01:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Big 4 freeze in face of changing habits - Times LIVE .::. Size~: 46.21 KB | Apr 22 01:15 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/red-hat-drops-xen-from-rhel/140487 | Apr 22 01:18 |
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| cubezzz | this is obviously wrong: | Apr 22 01:19 |
| cubezzz | "As a desktop user there are really only two options: Linux or Mac OS X" | Apr 22 01:19 |
| cubezzz | wrong | Apr 22 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: that article doesnt mean anything too someone outside of .za | Apr 22 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | the south africian banking industry is corrupt and worthless | Apr 22 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | they charge fees for things that almost everybody else in the world gets for free | Apr 22 01:20 |
| cubezzz | banks are not your friend | Apr 22 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: thats a pretty dumb statement | Apr 22 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | they are neither your friend nor not your friend | Apr 22 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're a company. they do things for money. | Apr 22 01:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | however, for example, south african banks charge you money for just having an account there | Apr 22 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is bullshit | Apr 22 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | banks in the US and almost everywhere else wised up | Apr 22 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | "hey, if we charge people money to have an account here, they wont put their money here" | Apr 22 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thus by eliminating such a silly fee, they made more money | Apr 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | [01:23] <Diablo-D3> banks in the US and almost everywhere else wised up | Apr 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Inflation is a form of bank fee | Apr 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | So they just hude the costs | Apr 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | *hide | Apr 22 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: not that way, no | Apr 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | And reduce incentive to keep money under flooring or brick | Apr 22 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | inflation is a form of tax. | Apr 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Same thing | Apr 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Different name | Apr 22 01:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | little banks, ie, the majority of banks lose money due to inflation | Apr 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | [00:40] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [qu1j0t3] "Abusive conditions" is what you find in a typical workplace. If you find US-style #torture in a workplace, you should probably quit. #gtmo | Apr 22 01:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | most people in the US don't do business with the 5 largest banks in the US | Apr 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Too big to bail | Apr 22 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | too big to leave alive | Apr 22 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Too big to Hell | Apr 22 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Except Lloyd | Apr 22 01:26 |
| schestowitz | he goes to Heaven | Apr 22 01:26 |
| schestowitz | To carry on God's werk | Apr 22 01:26 |
| schestowitz | God works in mysterious way | Apr 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Like a giant squid :-D | Apr 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | http://en.akihabaranews.com/43993/tablet-pda/sharp-new-linux-netwalker-tablet-to-hit-japan-next-month | Apr 22 01:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sharp new Linux NetWalker tablet to hit Japan next month. « Akihabara News .::. Size~: 64.79 KB | Apr 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | "What a surprise, but it seems that Sharp will propose from Next month (May) a new NetWalker Ubuntu powered device in Japan with the PC-T1." | Apr 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/2010/04/19/1247fe58690b "Next weekend's Japanese MotoGP has been postponed until October because of the disruption to international air travel caused by the volcanic eruption in Iceland." | Apr 22 01:30 |
| schestowitz | gn | Apr 22 01:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Heading out for an early dinner with my friend Deb from Prentice Hall. Wood Tavern, yeah baby! | Apr 22 01:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] yes! #organic milk in glass bottles, at North #Melbourne IGA! | Apr 22 01:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ugh, open source projects need a professional resource for logos. hard to convey how bad some are | Apr 22 01:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] This Ain't No Popularity Contest - It's Politics - Follow up to my article on Disclosure: http://bit.ly/atZruZ | Apr 22 02:05 | |
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| cubezzz | Microsoft ads front and centre on slashdot | Apr 22 03:07 |
| cubezzz | blah | Apr 22 03:07 |
| cubezzz | "please brain wash me" | Apr 22 03:09 |
| cubezzz | but whatever, I guess everyone has freedom of choice | Apr 22 03:11 |
| cubezzz | sort of | Apr 22 03:12 |
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| Jose_X | Has anyone not yet seen this http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100420/1303349118.shtml or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzUoWkbNLe8 | Apr 22 03:25 |
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| Jose_X | it's great.. but put down your drinks before watching | Apr 22 03:25 |
| Jose_X | schestowitz, make sure you see it. it covers various topics at once and gives Linux (and stallman -- great quote) exposure | Apr 22 03:26 |
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| Jose_X | just saw the video again. it was even better the second time. | Apr 22 03:31 |
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| Jose_X | this has got to rank among the very top spoofs.. at least by those that appreciate foss and stuff | Apr 22 03:33 |
| Jose_X | they insult youtube on youtube | Apr 22 03:33 |
| Jose_X | of course xbox gets a little diss | Apr 22 03:34 |
| Jose_X | and the stallman line is .... | Apr 22 03:34 |
| cubezzz | brilliant | Apr 22 03:35 |
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| *amarsh04 wonders what video was being talked about | Apr 22 03:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Data Recovery Services (#Sydney #Australia) says they've recovered my dead laptop drive. Let's see what I get... #datarecovery #miracle | Apr 22 03:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] On that note, I'm going to be boring and repeat: Make and Check your #Backup s. #timemachine Prevention is better (and cheaper) than cure | Apr 22 03:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The Whitehouse contributing Open Source technology - http://www.whitehouse.gov/tech - this says a lot about this administration to me. | Apr 22 03:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Great, Amazing, Fantastic, Incredible, Magical, Wonderful! http://is.gd/bCVeE #comedygold | Apr 22 04:04 | |
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| cubezzz | wow, Neo Geo stuff is still expensive | Apr 22 04:12 |
| cubezzz | pretty sure I bought World Heroes 2 for about $266 | Apr 22 04:14 |
| cubezzz | new | Apr 22 04:14 |
| amarsh04 | ACTA just mentioned on .au current affairs radio programme - including China and India not being involved | Apr 22 04:26 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | anyone still up here? | Apr 22 04:30 |
| amarsh04 | yes | Apr 22 04:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there is life here | Apr 22 04:31 |
| amarsh04 | just having a little bit to eat before going out | Apr 22 04:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Amarsh04> I was looking at the ARM netbooks on USA Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/3Colors-7-Mini-Netbook-Laptop-Notebook-WIFI-Windows-2G-/130384910871?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item1e5b8bda17 | Apr 22 04:32 |
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| amarsh04 | any idea on the true manufacturer? | Apr 22 04:33 |
| amarsh04 | I'd love to be able to buy something like a yeelong locally | Apr 22 04:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | since they are puny, 128mb ram, 2gb space, and come with Windows CE, was hoping to find someone that might know if Debian Arm could be put on this | Apr 22 04:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They are all over, this model on Ebay now | Apr 22 04:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But worthless if you got to run CE | Apr 22 04:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | IMO | Apr 22 04:34 |
| amarsh04 | most of the Debian ARM activity seems to be with wireless/adsl routers | Apr 22 04:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have the Debian Arm DVD | Apr 22 04:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | downloaded it awhile back | Apr 22 04:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its puny, 300mhz arm cpu, 128mb ram, 7" lcd | Apr 22 04:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but if you could put linux on it | Apr 22 04:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | might be ok for surfing | Apr 22 04:37 |
| amarsh04 | I have no experience with cross-compiling... it would be good to make it easier for a standard Debian on amd64 to generate images for other architecures (my limit is compiling i386 kernels on amd64) | Apr 22 04:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@rjurney Does literally everyone but me on the internet use #Facebook? // i have no use for it. so no. | Apr 22 04:38 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, since here is a Debian Arm DVD, it might be able to install with an external usb dvd drive | Apr 22 04:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | was hoping cubezzz was awake, as he is looking for alternatives to x86 | Apr 22 04:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@splorp This typeface would be easier to redraw if I weren’t so anal. Nodes at the extrema! /bézier not most natural primitive. seen cornu? | Apr 22 04:40 | |
| amarsh04 | anyway, I'll be heading off now | Apr 22 04:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Also I wanted to tell cubezzz, if he did not already know, that that old 486sx, the cdrom drive probably works. As its too old to boot from a cd, and will not work until the drivers are installed. The drivers must be installed first from boot cd's, in W95 and most of the older versions of Linux at that time | Apr 22 04:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | amarsh04> ok, was good talking with you | Apr 22 04:43 |
| amarsh04 | so the old machine needs to floppy boot with cdrom drivers? | Apr 22 04:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Apr 22 04:44 |
| amarsh04 | I might yet have to source another 3.5" floppy drive in working order | Apr 22 04:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there is no boot to cdrom in the bios of those old machines | Apr 22 04:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | on an old machine, yes. other way is just to install linux in another machine and switch the hard drive | Apr 22 04:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if you have the same resolution | Apr 22 04:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well they are actually boot floppies that start the cdrom install | Apr 22 04:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | all the operating systems like 95, linux, OS/2 did it that way back then | Apr 22 04:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Here some stuff Roy might or might not be able to use. Its about the US economy, and it not good. Housing Foreclosures, the worst is not over | Apr 22 04:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/02/eveningnews/main6167610.shtml | Apr 22 04:53 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112660935 | Apr 22 04:53 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/foreclosure/map.html | Apr 22 04:53 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.azcentral.com/business/realestate/articles/2009/10/28/20091028biz-foreclosures1028.html | Apr 22 04:54 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aovAPlvMndWc&refer=home | Apr 22 04:54 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The banks could be back soon, wanting more money, if these foreclosures figures are correct, which I believe they are. | Apr 22 04:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It just stands to reason, that people cannot pay mortages, if they are out of work. | Apr 22 04:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The government, and the banking community, are trying to hide these figures, delaying many of the foreclosures. For the simple reason, that once they foreclose of them they had to sell the property. There is already a surplus of property, and dumping 4x more on the market, will cause the selling price to plummit. | Apr 22 04:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, gn | Apr 22 04:59 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I had to come back and anwser the question who made that ARM laptop on ebay. http://alpha-400-mips-elonex-razorbook-coby.blogspot.com/2010/01/apple-tablet-clone-and-dozens-of-other.html | Apr 22 05:18 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Sungworld | Apr 22 05:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The one I posted the earlier ebay link to, went for $86 US, including shipping. | Apr 22 05:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Wonder how much MS is going make off that, as Windows CE 6.0 is on it. | Apr 22 05:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Wouldn't it be wierd, if the ones that bring MS to its knees, is not Linux, is not Apple or Google, but the Chinese with cheap computers. | Apr 22 05:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | While I do not see a lot of these selling for buy it now at $95 including shipping, its still early. But they are selling for $86 | Apr 22 05:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | quote from the above link: "World's Cheapest Laptops are:Merimobiles, ARM-Based "No Names" (100's of them),Cherrypal,Sungworld Cheap Chinese brands are taking over from pricey netbooks. Already there are *hundreds* of brands based on ARM processors, and available in China and even on the streets of New York. Soon they will be on blister-pack cards at places like Walgreen's and the dollar stores. Here's where to get | Apr 22 05:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | gn, and I really mean it this time. | Apr 22 05:30 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | ok, I back. The brand is really a ANYKA not sungworld. | Apr 22 05:44 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | looks like nobody got Linux running on that ARM laptop on ebay so far: http://mininetbooks.your-board.com/linux-f4/linux-in-arm926ej-s-248mhz-t11.htm | Apr 22 05:52 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | that doesn't mean it cannot be done | Apr 22 05:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Playing with PiTiVi which we now ship on a default Ubuntu 10.04 installation - it is absolutely fantastic! Great work @bilboed | Apr 22 06:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] If anybody has shared his files using torrent then please let me know how to do so. I want to share my 2GB iso with it. #torrent | Apr 22 06:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Looking 4 ethical #investment opportunities in #Canada? Renewal2 Fund now open. #organic #green #renewable #sustainable http://bit.ly/cVy2zQ | Apr 22 07:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Download SchoolOS using torrent - http://bit.ly/cNc0bU #schoolos | Apr 22 07:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] “There's an old saying-when u go to heaven, all yr friends are there&everythng is just the way u want” CREEPY METAPHOR #Zuckerberg #facebook | Apr 22 07:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Good morning! Mozilla Thunderbird 3.04ß has a bug in the filter system. Setting up Leafnode to use http://slated.org COLA filters | Apr 22 07:22 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/29438035 "I was really impressed with Slitz. Rather like Crunchbang used to be, it's a bit of an unsung masterpiece in my opinion." | Apr 22 07:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/29438232 "#PCLinuxOS worked fine for me but I'm not sure it's any more than Mandriva with a different outfit on." | Apr 22 07:30 |
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| schestowitz | more like Mandrake maybe. | Apr 22 07:30 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/29438301 "I'm assuming it's still based on Mandriva." | Apr 22 07:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/51221 "@schestowitz they truly almost deserve the position. they even have the decency to call themselves "gnu/" linux. i wish there was a version of slitaz with linux-libre (i'd probably be using it now, i was using slitaz and soas prior to rms and trisquel)" | Apr 22 07:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/51236 "@schestowitz along with everyone else on the enterprise. i mean, you think the engineers had to ask a corporation for permission to improve the running of the computer? realign shield harmonics with drm in the way? i think not..." | Apr 22 07:32 |
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| schestowitz | A company in California preinstalls gnewsense | Apr 22 07:32 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/12601700062 "on the contrary, it would make it even more of a coup if it messed with Microsoft's plans too..." | Apr 22 07:35 |
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| schestowitz | Steam for Linux??? | Apr 22 07:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] wow, @ RealScottBaio's a RealNutJob. http://jezebel.com/5520775/scott-baios-online-meltdown-a-complete-timeline #ewww ... via @torontostar | Apr 22 07:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tosfm RT @Oculuris When #torture is outlawed [ IT IS ], only outlaws will torture. | Apr 22 07:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Just figured out it's not a bug in Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0.4 ß. It just works different from previous versions. | Apr 22 07:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1601917/google-drops-http-chrome | Apr 22 08:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Some idiot's car alarm going off @ 3 AM for the last 10 minutes. Fucking steal it already!!! Jesus! Bad neighbors all around. :( | Apr 22 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1602166/google-buys-agnilux | Apr 22 08:20 |
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| schestowitz | Weird | Apr 22 08:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @daemonfc use earplugs | Apr 22 08:21 | |
| schestowitz | tessier_: nagios wins, http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1010972 | Apr 22 08:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Once-hidden #EU report reveals damage from #biodiesel - http://bit.ly/9uFU9Q not a cover-up EU insists; right... | Apr 22 08:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Start your "taking the piss" jokes now. http://is.gd/bDaks | Apr 22 08:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Nestlé continues to buy #palmoil from Sinar Mas - trashing Indonesian #rainforest & destroying #orangutan habitat http://bit.ly/cuPmql | Apr 22 09:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] via @glynmoody Suppressed #EU report reveals #biodiesel problems- http://bit.ly/9uFU9Q #biofuels are LOSE LOSE LOSE!! #energy #deforestation | Apr 22 09:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Biodiesel from North American #soybeans has an indirect carbon footprint 4x higher than standard #diesel http://bit.ly/9uFU9Q #energy | Apr 22 09:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'these studies show that land use is the most important factor in deciding if #biofuels make sense or not' YES! http://bit.ly/9uFU9Q #energy | Apr 22 09:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 didn't Nestle issue a PR some days ago? Lies? | Apr 22 09:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Yes Men strike again http://theyesmen.org/dowliveearth | Apr 22 09:11 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/20/us-school-accused-laptops-spying RMS: "And since cellular phones are computers, this applies to them too." | Apr 22 09:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "We thought it must be a joke when we heard #Dow Chemical Company was sponsoring a run for clean #water," http://theyesmen.org/dowliveearth | Apr 22 09:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'One of the world's worst polluters trying to greenwash its image' #Dow http://bit.ly/ccti0R #agentorange #bhopal #pollution | Apr 22 09:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Nestlé helps destroy protected rainforest. http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/Nestle-needs-to-give-rainfores #palmoil #indonesia | Apr 22 09:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz PR Statement is misdirection. #Nestlé still indirectly purchasing from same cartel. See @Greenpeace link. | Apr 22 09:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] American Idol wants to raise awareness of poverty in Africa. I'm glad because this must be a temporary crisis, worthy of attention. ;) | Apr 22 09:37 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/0416/1224268442107.html "But in his time away from Apple, Jobs missed a revolution or two: the rise of the internet and the spread of open source, the free and open community-written software movement." | Apr 22 09:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 it shows they suffer damage | Apr 22 09:39 | |
| schestowitz | "They [open source vendors] haven't done a very good job," Worthington told iTnews. http://www.itnews.com.au/News/172345,defence-open-source-sold-by-commerce-not-ideals.aspx | Apr 22 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Excuses | Apr 22 09:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz i've asked @greenpeace for more details on problems with the #Nestlé response | Apr 22 09:50 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1601677/flash-android-webos-delayed "HOUSE OF CREATIVE SOFTWARE Adobe is about to make another own goal by delaying its Flash Player for the Android and WebOS operating systems." | Apr 22 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I think he was just an apologist for them | Apr 22 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Not a pedo | Apr 22 10:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@vonster new notes do illustrate lack of thoughtful design in #us currency. http://richardsmith.posterous.com/ http://bit.ly/ah3KIX | Apr 22 10:02 | |
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| amarsh04 | Tom Worthington was a former president of the Australian Computer Society - I felt that the organisation made itself irrelevant by thinking in terms of isolated systems rather than being part of a connected whole | Apr 22 10:09 |
| schestowitz | You could look at it the opposite way | Apr 22 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Where one vendor gives a connected (and expensive) whole | Apr 22 10:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] It is hard to believe but many times I see dream inside dream while sleeping. #strange going one dream to another & coming back. #dream | Apr 22 10:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/194506/why_americas_telecom_system_stinks.html | Apr 22 10:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The list of CompTIA's members is a trade secret, says Hugo Lueders of CompTIA's Brussels office: http://ur1.ca/wenn | Apr 22 10:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] is Silvia Pfeiffer , Jan Gerber Or Michael Dale on twitter ? #ogg #html5, I like this html video presentation http://bit.ly/aFpIxX | Apr 22 10:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You may be seriously concerned about a financial decision that... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 22 10:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just carried 13 teas/coffees up two flights of stairs. It is _so_ not my turn for the rest of the week! | Apr 22 10:59 | |
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| schestowitz | Maybe I should slow down my dents? http://www.quickonlinetips.com/archives/2009/12/schedule-tweets-on-twitter/ | Apr 22 11:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab has someone got the list? | Apr 22 11:23 | |
| amarsh04 | http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2010/s2880030.htm | Apr 22 11:24 |
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| amarsh04 | ABC also spoke to Kim Weatherall about ACTA but I can't find the transcript | Apr 22 11:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] 81% of those that had a view supported the recommendation to remove Software from the Patents Act http://ur1.ca/wewt | Apr 22 11:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Software patents are reduced to simply monopoly protection rather than promotion of innovation http://ur1.ca/wexx | Apr 22 11:32 | |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/04/broken-mcafee-dat-update-cripples-windows-workstations.ars Yep anti-viruses becoming as bad as viruses | Apr 22 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks, I saw that yesterday | Apr 22 12:26 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA I guess you have seen this already. schestowitz | Apr 22 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | Remember my comments about backporting stuff being insanity. | Apr 22 12:39 |
| oiaohm | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/docscom_facebook_and_microsoft_go_after_google_doc.php Less reasons to buy MS Office now. | Apr 22 12:41 |
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| amarsh04 | oiaohm, I have just tried kernel 2.6.33 in two machines using the radeon module and kernel mode setting - in both cases I had to force the loading of the radeon module early for vt1-vt6 to work - not wishing to have to run a customised kernel or initramfs, I have a line in /etc/modprobe.d/local for the video card | Apr 22 12:45 |
| amarsh04 | it just seems weird having to force load the video card module to have things working alright | Apr 22 12:45 |
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| goshmate | I love the site, But for crying out loud after a number of years can you folks fix the rendering problems on Firefox? | Apr 22 13:05 |
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| oiaohm | amarsh04: It has to be loaded early. | Apr 22 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Framebuffer also goes threw the same driver. amarsh04 | Apr 22 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Ie KMS everything is going threw one driver. amarsh04 | Apr 22 13:26 |
| amarsh04 | yes oiaohm... I just wonder how to load module radeon early, but *without* building it in (e.g. as a kernel parameter or config file entry, but not needing to rebuild the kernel or running update-initramfs if changing video card) | Apr 22 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Its a little bit of a bug. | Apr 22 13:31 |
| oiaohm | The init system was never designed with the requirements of KMS in mind. | Apr 22 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Really means to load drivers need to be before the init system attempts to output to framebuffer. | Apr 22 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Currently that is only either in initramfs or built into kernel. Because everything running as init automatically starts out putting crap. | Apr 22 13:33 |
| oiaohm | One vial hack would be to close all framebuffers and force a video card reset then load the driver. amarsh04 | Apr 22 13:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Turing100in2012 #Afghanistan is not civilised, why Karzai is tolerated by West /harrowing past decade puts lie to 'civilisation' of 'West' | Apr 22 13:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @MITNews Missed @BillGates on campus yesterday? We've got coverage of his trip to #MIT // hope somebody tried a citizen's arrest | Apr 22 13:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Knox trial reopens. Hmmmmm http://bit.ly/ca4Du0 | Apr 22 13:47 | |
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| schestowitz | Good video on Internet trolls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzuXLwQXmRg | Apr 22 14:43 |
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| oiaohm | Some of the rummers at moment like apple buying arm and apple being arms biggest customer. Does everyone forget about Nokia and moterolla. | Apr 22 14:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I pasted that bit of news here earlier (x/buntu) | Apr 22 14:54 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Zuckerberg is in bed with Microsoft and even its patent trolls | Apr 22 14:57 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't touch that ilk with a bargepole | Apr 22 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Now thinking nokia and arm are both Linux foundation. | Apr 22 14:58 |
| oiaohm | And most mergers of companies inside the foundation happen to other foundation members. | Apr 22 14:58 |
| oiaohm | I would have been more believing of a nokia arm merge than a apple arm one. | Apr 22 14:58 |
| schestowitz | [13:05] <goshmate> I love the site, But for crying out loud after a number of years can you folks fix the rendering problems on Firefox? | Apr 22 14:59 |
| schestowitz | What rendering issues? | Apr 22 14:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: sorry for delay/lah, just posted a MASSIVE lump of news links | Apr 22 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Status normal for you schestowitz | Apr 22 15:00 |
| schestowitz | I have 8 posts coming | Apr 22 15:01 |
| schestowitz | But debating self whether to go to gym first | Apr 22 15:01 |
| oiaohm | No need to be sorry for the delay I am starting to get use to it schestowitz. Say something wait an 1h no answer turns up most likely not coming. | Apr 22 15:01 |
| schestowitz | It's sunny | Apr 22 15:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 they can attempt arrest when he flies; the tribunal would have extensive evidence (bar PR smoke screens) | Apr 22 15:01 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I watch videos while I edit | Apr 22 15:01 |
| schestowitz | 2 hours on this science channel... | Apr 22 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Ziomatrix. wb | Apr 22 15:02 |
| Ziomatrix | batten down the hatches folks there be rumors about that Apple wants a huge stake in ARM Holdings | Apr 22 15:02 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: walking dogs, y tu? | Apr 22 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Sounds unlikely | Apr 22 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Used to be a rumour about takeover of AMD | Apr 22 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Hmm arm is a highly fragmented company. | Apr 22 15:06 |
| oiaohm | in shareholders. | Apr 22 15:06 |
| schestowitz | But Apple uses x86 | Apr 22 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Largest shareholder has 4 percent. | Apr 22 15:06 |
| oiaohm | And I see apple no where. | Apr 22 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Thinking you need 10 percent really to start a take over. | Apr 22 15:07 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: true, but Apple is increasingly relying on ARM devices for the backbone of its sales. Cheaper to produce, support, while being sold for a premium for that extra profit needed to please shareholders | Apr 22 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Apr 22 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of people believe ARM is the new PPC | Apr 22 15:07 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: that is so far from the truth its not even funny | Apr 22 15:07 |
| scientes_ | i can't figure out how to do a citation in lyx | Apr 22 15:07 |
| scientes_ | i go insert-citation | Apr 22 15:08 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: but heh what has stopped rhedoric from Walstreet and other major investment centers from breaking the back of otherwise good businesses | Apr 22 15:08 |
| scientes_ | and then cant do anything as i dont have any citations | Apr 22 15:08 |
| scientes_ | how do i create a citation? | Apr 22 15:08 |
| scientes_ | "available citations" | Apr 22 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ziomatrix: I didnt say it was true | Apr 22 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just said a lot of people blieve it | Apr 22 15:08 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: who can stop the Intel x86 dynamo? | Apr 22 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD, ironically | Apr 22 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | using their own x86 dynamo | Apr 22 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is becoming increasingly less x86 every day | Apr 22 15:10 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: don't forget VIA, but the problem is their marketshare is still virtually none existent among PCs in big box stores | Apr 22 15:10 |
| oiaohm | http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/HumanitiesLyX scientes_ answer not exactly simple. You need to set style of citations before you can add any. | Apr 22 15:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Ziomatrix: via is really interesting, but I have no hope for them | Apr 22 15:11 |
| scientes_ | ahh http://www.bibtex.org/Format/ | Apr 22 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | their via nano easily rapes intel's atom | Apr 22 15:11 |
| scientes_ | manual | Apr 22 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | but | Apr 22 15:11 |
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| Diablo-D3 | AMD has micro-Fusions coming out soon that just carpet bombs the whole market | Apr 22 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Via are very good on encrypted links as well. | Apr 22 15:13 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I think Via can still find a niche with their micro-ATX mobos | Apr 22 15:14 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: the problem is Intel still rules through shere volume and wholesale discounts | Apr 22 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Really Via moves of x86 to arm with there encryption processing you could have a very useful chip. | Apr 22 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Not like Via is techless. | Apr 22 15:15 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: well the whole point of them aquiring Centaur along with its tech and seem is to have a fully 64bit, RISC/CISC instruction with SoC for a number of functions found in set top and mobile devices while still being power efficient x86-64 chip. | Apr 22 15:18 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I can't see them all of a sudden making an about face to ARM so easily when they invested so much into one platform as is without it taking plenty of time | Apr 22 15:18 |
| Ziomatrix | its the first power efficient CPU to be fully 64bit and now its latest iteration will be the first to introduce SSE4 sets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Nano | Apr 22 15:20 |
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| oiaohm | Remember arm soc chips are built normally from multiable groups of IP. | Apr 22 15:20 |
| oiaohm | VIA freeing up there encryption part to arm chips could get more sales of it. | Apr 22 15:20 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: what I meant to state is the Via Nano is still one of the only out-of-order CPU of its size and efficiency | Apr 22 15:20 |
| Ziomatrix | as in it being superscalar | Apr 22 15:21 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I guess licensing its encryption on dye method out to ARM manufacturers would grant it instant profit but in the long term hurt sales on its own CPUs | Apr 22 15:22 |
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| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: the Via Nano like any other ULV strattles offly close to both contemporary mobile x86 CPUs and ARM. In fact its interesting to note some are thinking about create ARM databases for efficiency while they can just employ a set of CPUs such as the Nano for so much cheaper | Apr 22 15:24 |
| oiaohm | http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/18688.php Read carefully about Cortex-A9 | Apr 22 15:24 |
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| Ziomatrix | while maintaining the very same efficiency since it would take less Nanos to compute the same load as even a top of the line ARM one | Apr 22 15:25 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: its still not superscalar yet | Apr 22 15:25 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: ARM also inherently has less out-of-order instruction sets and in my opinion should stay that way for awhile in order to be a lean and mean one for mobile devices | Apr 22 15:26 |
| Ziomatrix | I still don't get why such an open standard as MIPs hasn't really progressed much | Apr 22 15:27 |
| oiaohm | http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a8.php superscalar is in cortex-a8 the version before. | Apr 22 15:27 |
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| oiaohm | VIA just has more time doing both Ziomatrix | Apr 22 15:27 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: ahh so the Cortex A9 has superscaler and more out-of-order sets. I'm not sure if its still as many | Apr 22 15:28 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: the problem is VIA would still be technilogically behind in ARM as apposed to even the likes of Marvell and Freescale | Apr 22 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Marvell and Freescale license blocks of tech from many companies. | Apr 22 15:29 |
| oiaohm | To build their chips. | Apr 22 15:29 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: so you can see VIA licensing out its tech to them? | Apr 22 15:29 |
| oiaohm | Their is a profit line thier if market gets tight for them Ziomatrix | Apr 22 15:30 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: Kind of sad as that would mean essentially tossing the Nano, unless they somehow release mobos that are Nano ARM hybrids. | Apr 22 15:32 |
| oiaohm | ARM design is purely designed for power effectiveness from the instruction set up. | Apr 22 15:32 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: it would be interesting to have mobile devices and others that can activate a more powerful CPU once they need that bump in processing power temporarily. | Apr 22 15:33 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: ecspecially with most instructions becoming more SoC. | Apr 22 15:33 |
| oiaohm | There are many segments of Nano tech that could possiable be linked to a arm core. | Apr 22 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Like arm's are not known for thier floating point performance. | Apr 22 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie it suxs. | Apr 22 15:34 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I don't see how they can improve that without churning out something totally different then any other ARM CPU | Apr 22 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Same way x86 solved it. Ie FPU. | Apr 22 15:35 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I think just like the whole CISC v RISC argument, platforms are becoming more irrelevent when it comes to discussing their merrits as every CPU contains a little bit of everything in different quantities and orders of instruction | Apr 22 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Its more coming what the chip can do and how power effective. | Apr 22 15:36 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: but you have companies going in totally different direction even on the same platform just as Intel v. AMD there is Qualcomm v TI | Apr 22 15:37 |
| oiaohm | CISC for core of CPU are basically dead. | Apr 22 15:37 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: perhaps but so is having an entire RISC CPU | Apr 22 15:37 |
| oiaohm | RISC is basically the core of all the remaining CPU. CISC if done is an translator. | Apr 22 15:38 |
| oiaohm | I do like what amd is doing to the translator pushing it back before the cpu caches. | Apr 22 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Basically RISC won and CISC found a loop hole to stay in game. | Apr 22 15:39 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I wouldn't be so certain because there is still an apparent need to fufill out-of-order executions | Apr 22 15:39 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: just take most complaints people had for the CELL BE for example | Apr 22 15:40 |
| oiaohm | There is more than 1 way todo out of order executions. | Apr 22 15:40 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: having some CISC in there is the easiest way though | Apr 22 15:41 |
| oiaohm | No easiest is a lazy hack. | Apr 22 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie hyperthreading method. Ziomatrix | Apr 22 15:42 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: so is there any positive attribute to maintaining CISC at some level? | Apr 22 15:44 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: perhaps its lazy in a way but certainly cheaper for costs then incorporating a DSP, FPU and other SoCs into the CPU | Apr 22 15:45 |
| Ziomatrix | ok maybe not FPU so much as that is now fully integrated | Apr 22 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Remember the first X86 CISC chips that supported out of order are the pents that have the start of a risc core. | Apr 22 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Arm is starting to implement the same out of order tricks on standard risc like instructions. | Apr 22 15:47 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: but its kind of strange that Intel went more CISC with the Atom | Apr 22 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Power | Apr 22 15:47 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: so they only did it to ensure it requires the lowest voltage it possibley could | Apr 22 15:48 |
| oiaohm | You simply cannot be power effective and have a translator from cisc to risc or vice verser. | Apr 22 15:48 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: then what does that make the Nano? | Apr 22 15:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: btw no | Apr 22 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Nano is still not what you call power effective when you compare to an arm chip. | Apr 22 15:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | pentiums wernt the first | Apr 22 15:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | pentium pros were | Apr 22 15:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | and p2s inherited a similar design | Apr 22 15:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | cisc, btw, lost | Apr 22 15:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | it didnt win at all | Apr 22 15:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | K8s and up, for example, are all risc internally | Apr 22 15:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | up to the point that with special voodoo magic, you can use the risc language directly | Apr 22 15:50 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: so you're saying the only reason why CISC translation is there is for legacy? | Apr 22 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Apr 22 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | P4s were Intel's first truly all risc core too, btw | Apr 22 15:51 |
| oiaohm | CISC only has a 1 minor advantages. Executable size that does help transfers. Other than that legacy is about the only other advantage. | Apr 22 15:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: thats not an advantage | Apr 22 15:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | executable code is so small its basically not there at all | Apr 22 15:51 |
| oiaohm | But executable compression and decompression would do basically the same advantage as CISC if not better. | Apr 22 15:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope | Apr 22 15:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | because you have hardware dedicated to the task of CISC decoding | Apr 22 15:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | which uses a lot of real estate on the die | Apr 22 15:54 |
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| oiaohm | Its a balance off game Diablo-D3. Area to decode CISC vs Area required for storage of program. Then power to get program vs how much CISC is going to chew up. Yes lot of times I don't see CISC as worth it. | Apr 22 15:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] G'morning, everyone. Still full of cold, hopefully today will see some improvement. Bah! | Apr 22 15:56 | |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: you're doing that "not listening to what people say" thing again | Apr 22 15:56 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: but what about for virtualization or a hypervisor that directly accesses the CPU? | Apr 22 15:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | program code size is non-existent compared to all the other traffic that goes through the cpu bus | Apr 22 15:57 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: so then what does that make platforms such as CRISP and CELL's SPUs? | Apr 22 15:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Might Pay #Microsoft More for Software Patents in #Linux Through #SUSE / #Novell http://ur1.ca/wgik | Apr 22 15:58 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | Ziomatrix: include modern gpgpu designs into that too | Apr 22 15:59 |
| oiaohm | SOC Diablo-D3 Where the program ends up in chip with memory controller. Gain is minor sometimes smaller dia. When I am talking about area vs area its inside a soc not facing bus hell. | Apr 22 15:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically, massive multithreaded simplistic processors | Apr 22 15:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're designed to do vector programs that are stupidly easy to multithread | Apr 22 15:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: you're talking about microcode, I assume. Both Intel and AMD microcode is written in their native risc micro-op language | Apr 22 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Ziomatrix: I guess you have not seen way tile gx chips do hypervisors. | Apr 22 16:00 |
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| _goblin | hi all | Apr 22 16:01 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: you're reffering to that startup Tilera, isn't that a soft microprocessor? | Apr 22 16:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | erm | Apr 22 16:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | is he talking something like Transmeta? | Apr 22 16:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | their shit was a failure for a reason | Apr 22 16:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | you couldn't code a micro-op program to deal with fast path code fast enough to win against a native implementation | Apr 22 16:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is, btw, why ARM wins performance/watt | Apr 22 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Niether Intel and AMD can process CISC without their microcode. I was more refering to SOC style with basically core program already in the memory. All CISC there is really being used as compression. | Apr 22 16:04 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: I think this is the CPU thats being reffered to: http://tinyurl.com/yfs22mu and its a kind of this: http://tinyurl.com/y95hhdf | Apr 22 16:04 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oh | Apr 22 16:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | specially engineered DSPs? | Apr 22 16:05 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: that has no place in this discussion | Apr 22 16:05 |
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| Diablo-D3 | they're very CISCey because they have hardcoded paths for specific tasks | Apr 22 16:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is what, for example, 3D accelerators looked like in the beginning | Apr 22 16:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | they started as math coprocessors that did very specific forms of math, and nothing outside of it | Apr 22 16:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | then pipelines of fixed function | Apr 22 16:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | they eventually, like all hardware, turned as generic as it gets | Apr 22 16:06 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: kind of, its like having a string of in-order processors with each being tasked with a specific intrustion that can be fed to it from a program in its entirety using some sort of logic synthesis. I can barely comprehend its practicality myself. | Apr 22 16:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ziomatrix: thats FPGA | Apr 22 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | its only useful for processor design | Apr 22 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont actually deploy these in the real world | Apr 22 16:07 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: Tilera apprently thinks it can for large web databased on the cheap | Apr 22 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | it cant | Apr 22 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Tilera are many small risc chips grided. With gates able to make hypervisor zones. | Apr 22 16:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes, and its stupid | Apr 22 16:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | for example, to do an ARM Cortex A8 on FGPA | Apr 22 16:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | you need about 200 watts of FGBA | Apr 22 16:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | in a fucking gigantic package | Apr 22 16:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | all to do what, after actually being fabbed, is tiny as hell and uses a watt or two. | Apr 22 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Its not FPGA. | Apr 22 16:09 |
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| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: but how do you explain that it can be fed languages directly? | Apr 22 16:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | if its not FPGA | Apr 22 16:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | its transmeta's technique | Apr 22 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Its not transmetas eitehr. | Apr 22 16:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | which basically ran specially coded "compilers" (in an extremely weak sense of the word) as the microcode | Apr 22 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | you pay a huge penalty for it | Apr 22 16:11 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: you mean internal virtualization? | Apr 22 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | its simply not worth it | Apr 22 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ziomatrix: no, emulation | Apr 22 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | virtualization means its a fake machine, but its real hardware behind it | Apr 22 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, Im going to bed | Apr 22 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | night all | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and | Apr 22 16:12 |
| oiaohm | And tilgras are not really virtualization either. | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: so then does that leave other CPUs such as VIA's Nano on the same boat? | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/5dhVl_i7gBU/Apple-To-Buy-ARM | Apr 22 16:12 |
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| oiaohm | Its zoning of physical hardware. Diablo-D3 | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ziomatrix: you cant do low wattage x86. period. | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Ziomatrix | alright goodnight | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | even AMD's smalled Fusion designs are iffy | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thats the first x86 ever that can be put in an iPhone form factor and work as intended | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Ziomatrix | so ARM is best suited for that application | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, for bare bottom low wattage, ARM wins | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | period | Apr 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant possibly fight it with x86 | Apr 22 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Basically Diablo-D3 tilgras are something unique. | Apr 22 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: its dumb. | Apr 22 16:13 |
| Ziomatrix | however what will happen once more general computing is demanded from mobile devices? | Apr 22 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ziomatrix: ARM isnt not general computing | Apr 22 16:13 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: the Cortex A9 seems to be going in that direction with more out-of-order instruction sets through general superscaling | Apr 22 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | A9 went true SMP multicore | Apr 22 16:14 |
| Ziomatrix | ok | Apr 22 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | OoO doesn't buy you much on ARM, btw | Apr 22 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | since all the instructions have to complete in one clock cycle | Apr 22 16:14 |
| Ziomatrix | so thats not the same as trying to cram more complex or general language instruction into one set | Apr 22 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | ARM doesnt need any more instructions | Apr 22 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it very rarely gets new ones | Apr 22 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | the "new" instructions are all very special purpose ones for very specific tasks | Apr 22 16:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | going to bed, night | Apr 22 16:15 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: thats good and I hope nobody mucks that up | Apr 22 16:15 |
| Ziomatrix | thanks | Apr 22 16:15 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: do you agree with his accessment? | Apr 22 16:15 |
| Ziomatrix | assessment I mean | Apr 22 16:16 |
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| oiaohm | Arm target is instructions in 1 clock cycle for power reasons. | Apr 22 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Only reason ARM need out of order is delays. IE stuff not ready to process. | Apr 22 16:19 |
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| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: but do you think RISC is the end all be all of the core processing of CPUs? | Apr 22 16:19 |
| oiaohm | I don't think CISC will stay. | Apr 22 16:19 |
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| trmanco | hi guys | Apr 22 16:20 |
| Ziomatrix | que pasa | Apr 22 16:21 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_long_instruction_word Used by current tilera does have some advantages. Ok transmeta had same core instruction type but they had microcode translators infrount of it. | Apr 22 16:22 |
| trmanco | heh | Apr 22 16:22 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Very long instruction word - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 58.07 KB | Apr 22 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Ie translators are a killer. Ziomatrix | Apr 22 16:22 |
| trmanco | TechrightsBot: ? | Apr 22 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Yep out bot renamed trmanco | Apr 22 16:23 |
| oiaohm | out/our | Apr 22 16:23 |
| trmanco | is it still my creation? | Apr 22 16:23 |
| trmanco | ah cool | Apr 22 16:23 |
| trmanco | good to know that somebody still uses it | Apr 22 16:23 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Apr 22 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Ziomatrix: Diablo-D3 is very closed minded on what a genernal progressor has to be. There are more arm chips out thier than PC's. Just because desktops are dominate now does not mean they will stay that way. | Apr 22 16:24 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: thats interesting, it seems the move for desktop CPUs is to use more actual muscle and the advantages of SMP to overcome limitations of elaborate instructions | Apr 22 16:25 |
| oiaohm | Personally I see arm taking are more tileria method to hypervisors combind with there own. Since number 1 it secure. Number two shutdown down segments of the hypervisor to save power is simple. | Apr 22 16:26 |
| trmanco | where is schestowitz? | Apr 22 16:27 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: but can this help in creating processors that are easier to create programs that can optimize and determine what is fed to them though or will CPUs remain as something alient to most application developers? | Apr 22 16:27 |
| oiaohm | The translator engine in most cpus make optimisation impossiable. | Apr 22 16:27 |
| oiaohm | Ie x86 cpus. | Apr 22 16:28 |
| oiaohm | x86 cpus make supprisingly good random number generators timign how long it takes to run the same code. | Apr 22 16:28 |
| Ziomatrix | trmanco: he was on about an hour ago | Apr 22 16:28 |
| trmanco | hmm | Apr 22 16:28 |
| trmanco | Ziomatrix: thanks | Apr 22 16:28 |
| oiaohm | He said he might go to gym. trmanco then disappeared. | Apr 22 16:28 |
| trmanco | I guess I can stick around for a while | Apr 22 16:29 |
| oiaohm | And he had 4 articals he wanted to write as well trmanco | Apr 22 16:29 |
| oiaohm | I don't know what one won out. trmanco | Apr 22 16:29 |
| oiaohm | tileria and arm chips are quite predictiable to optimise for. Ziomatrix You don't have the possiablity of the chip containing a different micro code and performing different because of it. | Apr 22 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie a microcode update for a intel or a amd chip can alter how it performs. So making optimisation perfect to processor impossiable. | Apr 22 16:31 |
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| oiaohm | Ok he is writing. | Apr 22 16:32 |
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| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: so do you see the future of computing with a specific platform/s or just an arena where hardware varies about as much as the smallest repo or application library? | Apr 22 16:36 |
| oiaohm | I see us heading into another tech storm. | Apr 22 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Where for a while at least most commonly used platforms fragment. | Apr 22 16:37 |
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| oiaohm | At the end of it desktop phone devices .... Will all basically be running the same OS or releated OS's. Ziomatrix | Apr 22 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Hardware side will most likely never be as unified as the x86 age again. Ziomatrix. OS stuck to one processor type was required to create the x86 abnormality. | Apr 22 16:39 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: so what do you think is the single OS or kernel to unite them all? | Apr 22 16:40 |
| oiaohm | At this stage Linux . | Apr 22 16:41 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I kind of feel disdain towards the prospect of one OS, but least with one that is open source the possibilities of forking and creating unique APIs thus GUIs is endless. | Apr 22 16:41 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I would also like to see POIX certified micro-kernels catch on more, they are the solution to many smartphone problems | Apr 22 16:42 |
| oiaohm | We have had mostly 1 OS dominate in each field. | Apr 22 16:42 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: however with Linux what does that leave future open source projects such as Haiku and Inferno/Plan 9? | Apr 22 16:42 |
| oiaohm | Same place they are now. | Apr 22 16:43 |
| oiaohm | But at least with a sporting chance to compete against Linux. | Apr 22 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Compared trying to compete against windows where they would have to reverse drivers all the time. | Apr 22 16:43 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I wonder what will be of QNX since they got aquired by RIM | Apr 22 16:43 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I'm going off on a tangent. I guess you got a point that having an ecosystem of OSs sharing similar kernels or at least instructions is good for fostering competition and ensuring easy cross-platforming. | Apr 22 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Wish I could find the symbian statement from nokia where they were saying they left it too late to open source. | Apr 22 16:45 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem that is coming Ziomatrix | Apr 22 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Linux will make it simple to go cross platform between most of them. | Apr 22 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Like MS mainataines a independant OS in phone space to there main OS. | Apr 22 16:46 |
| oiaohm | Apple does not really. All apple OS's are releated. But due to their insane heavy handness with developers likely to push developers away. | Apr 22 16:47 |
| oiaohm | Basically MS is dead in water in the upcoming game unless they change majorally. Ziomatrix | Apr 22 16:47 |
| oiaohm | Apple has the game right bar for treatment of developers. So most likely also dead in water. | Apr 22 16:47 |
| oiaohm | RIM has been bad to everyone. So also dead in water. | Apr 22 16:48 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I would argue that the iPhone's OSX is deliberately stripped literally and through dev EULAs in order to be limited compared to the desktop version. Some people wonder if thats the future of many of their PCs too. | Apr 22 16:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically only issue Linux has is what one of there own will win. Ie Android or Meego or some other distribution. | Apr 22 16:48 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: Android is about as much Linux as OSX is Unix | Apr 22 16:49 |
| oiaohm | Google will be working to bring the core of android back to the Linux main. | Apr 22 16:49 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I still think smartphones would be better off with micro-kernels | Apr 22 16:50 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel is a hybred. Ziomatrix | Apr 22 16:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes Linux kernel support user mode drivers like a micro kernel | Apr 22 16:51 |
| oiaohm | It also support monolithic drivers. | Apr 22 16:51 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: which means it has the benefits of a microkernel but all the vulnerabilities and potential memory issues of a monolithic one | Apr 22 16:52 |
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| oiaohm | for the vulnerablities of the monolithic one it gains speed of the monolithic one Ziomatrix | Apr 22 16:53 |
| oiaohm | When it used microkernel features it takes the speed hit of being microkernel. | Apr 22 16:53 |
| oiaohm | Microkernel is not a all round win option Ziomatrix | Apr 22 16:53 |
| oiaohm | Price has to be paid for it. | Apr 22 16:54 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: but that can be worked around with explicitly optimized software and drivers, I still think there are merits to the Symbian approach. | Apr 22 16:54 |
| oiaohm | No it cannot be worked around. | Apr 22 16:54 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: true but I feel that price is less necissary for mobile devices and hobby OSs | Apr 22 16:54 |
| oiaohm | Battery live is critical to mobile devices | Apr 22 16:54 |
| oiaohm | That is where the argument between main Linux kernel and google broke out with androids kernel. | Apr 22 16:55 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I see, I guess micro v. mono kernels is becoming like that of RISC v. CISC as well | Apr 22 16:55 |
| oiaohm | Really for battery life monolitchic wins. | Apr 22 16:55 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: so where do you see the real benefits of micro being utilized? | Apr 22 16:56 |
| oiaohm | Speed and power.(monolithic) Stablitiy and crash resistance(micro kernel) | Apr 22 16:56 |
| oiaohm | But the means to restart Linux in under 1 second is undoing the Stablity and crash resistance need. | Apr 22 16:57 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: so you see microkernels going the way of CISC even before they ever reached the possibility for popularity | Apr 22 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Stablity and secuirty is (micro kernels) | Apr 22 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Really I see hybred winning out. Ziomatrix | Apr 22 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie both monolithic and micro kernels pure be no more. | Apr 22 16:59 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: isn't compromise the case with many competing technologies | Apr 22 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes when the tech advantages are multarlly execulsive. | Apr 22 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Windows NT was one of the first attempts at hybred. But they gave up lots of the micro kernel ideals. | Apr 22 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Like Linux cuse and fuse drivers are pure to the micro kernel idea. | Apr 22 17:01 |
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| oiaohm | To get advantages of micro kernel and monolithic is merging the techs not compromise. Ie the ideals of both must remain or the advantages of the designs will be lost. Ziomatrix | Apr 22 17:02 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: so you can have applications in Linux have access to filesystems such as ZFS independetly of the OS itself, cool | Apr 22 17:03 |
| oiaohm | NTFS-3G driver is a big one. Its full userspace. Ziomatrix | Apr 22 17:03 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: lol and thats what many Mac users have if they want to run an NTFS exteneral drive | Apr 22 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Yep it code is platform netural. | Apr 22 17:04 |
| oiaohm | The nature of the Linux microkernel parts. | Apr 22 17:04 |
| oiaohm | There is no particular reason why micro kernel parts have to be OS dependant. | Apr 22 17:05 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: if folks had the slightest incling of the potential of what nix/FOSS has they would be dumping all M$ shares | Apr 22 17:05 |
| oiaohm | FOSS winning is winning lots of small battles first. | Apr 22 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Like increasing the use of OpenOffice. | Apr 22 17:06 |
| oiaohm | MS most likely has a few more years left in them yet. | Apr 22 17:07 |
| oiaohm | fanotify in the works as well will help Linux take off. Ie a standard way to connect anti-virus and other protection software to the kernel. | Apr 22 17:08 |
| oiaohm | So windows people who have the I must intall a real time scanning system can fell more at home. | Apr 22 17:08 |
| oiaohm | I am off to bed Ziomatrix | Apr 22 17:09 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy, hi all | Apr 22 18:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, if you here, did you see the stuff I posted here last night on foreclosures and the sub $100 ARM laptops on USA ebay? | Apr 22 18:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Thought te foreclosures stuff would fit in on what you are doing with Goldman Sucks | Apr 22 18:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | err, *Sacks | Apr 22 18:44 |
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| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I didn't | Apr 22 18:52 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Ziomatrix> it should come out maybe in the log today | Apr 22 18:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The important part about the cheap sub $100 ARM's that are now on Ebay in USA, is the Race to the Bottom for MS and its Windows CE. How much can MS make on a ARM laptop that sells for $86 including shipping from China? | Apr 22 18:55 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: a dollar? | Apr 22 18:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And they are talking about putting these in blisterpacks and selling them in Walgreens and the Dollarstores | Apr 22 18:56 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: lol jk, more like maybe 30 cents to the dollar | Apr 22 18:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, it would not be a dollar, of course, but many Dollar stores do have higher priced goods as well | Apr 22 18:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at some point these cheap ARM's are going have an effect on the bottom line at MS bigtime | Apr 22 18:58 |
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| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: but thats if they ever catch on, if Apple has prooved anything its that high prices can be a positive attribute if marketed as "premium" | Apr 22 19:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there is actually about 3 different versions of the same ARM cheap laptop on ebay. They all look the same, but one is using a 266mz cpu, other is using a "VIA-ARM" cpu. The Via-arm is interesting, because I did come across a comment online somewhere, that linux could be put on that one, but its unverified. | Apr 22 19:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ziomatrix> there is a market for all things of value, you just have to find the right price. That price seems to be $86 on ebay right now. The ones for $92 and up (including shipping) do not seem to be selling. | Apr 22 19:02 |
| Ziomatrix | you mean ones like this little gem? http://tinyurl.com/2clsmoj | Apr 22 19:03 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Also, it could be no body wants Windows CE, they understand its not XP, its a phone OS, and not a very good one. Now it might sell with Linux or Android/Chrome on it better. | Apr 22 19:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but its unverified that it works with Linux-Arm (Debian) | Apr 22 19:04 |
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| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: the thing is they may not be ARM CPUs but rather a VIA C7 with some kind of sound and media ARM co-processor in there | Apr 22 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | this is what I wondered too | Apr 22 19:06 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | still you got to love the price if it is | Apr 22 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | These prices are going hurt MS badly | Apr 22 19:07 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: this one definitely runs on an ARM CPU at 300mhz: http://tinyurl.com/25xg4pc but other I posted which is 1.2Ghz I'm not sure | Apr 22 19:07 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Now these are puny ARMS. 300mhz Arm cpu, 128mb ram, 2gb storage, 7" lcd, and the batteries do not even last that long. But, they sure are cheap. This one went for $86 which included shipping. Sadly they come with Windows CE 6.0 installed. I would be interested if Debian ARM or Google Android/Chrome could be installed with an external usb dvd drive. http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-Netbook-7-TFT-Laptop-Notebook-WIFI-Win | Apr 22 19:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There are a whole bunch of these now on ebay, most with buyitnow with free shipping starting at about $92 US. http://alpha-400-mips-elonex-razorbook-coby.blogspot.com/2010/01/apple-tablet-clone-and-dozens-of-other.htm A real interesting link above on these, who makes em. MS cannot be making any money of these to speak of. | Apr 22 19:09 |
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| Ziomatrix | the link you posted is broken | Apr 22 19:10 |
| Ziomatrix | nvm got it | Apr 22 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the one in the link is made by Anky 7802 | Apr 22 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I had more links posted last night, about the makers, which was really interesting. | Apr 22 19:11 |
| Ziomatrix | I'll check the logs sometime | Apr 22 19:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This looks to me to be the real start of the Race to the Bottom of computer pricing, which may spell the end of MS as we know it. | Apr 22 19:13 |
| MinceR | now they'll have returned wince machines, pwnt :> | Apr 22 19:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] In 2 hours, Sonic Youth! | Apr 22 19:13 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am now on a campaign to ask some of these ebay sellers if its possible to replace Windows CE on these laptops with a real OS like Debian ARM or Android/Chrome. | Apr 22 19:14 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Getting them to find out, and put the information in their ebay auctions, can only help them sell them, if its possible to do so. | Apr 22 19:15 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Apr 22 19:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Churchill quote about WW2, seems to have relavence here with reguard to MS and these cheap ARM's. "This is not the end, but the beginning of the end." Or something of that nature. | Apr 22 19:18 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I wonder if these laptops are built so cheaply that the actual OS and ROM memory is really on an SD card | Apr 22 19:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | flash memory yes, expansion of an sd card yes | Apr 22 19:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they are really cheap | Apr 22 19:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I doubt that an 300mhz ARM is going do video good | Apr 22 19:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but then I used to buy old thinkpads 560x with 233mhz intels and put w98 on them for garage sales, they worked well | Apr 22 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cheap to pick up old 98 disks | Apr 22 19:21 |
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| _goblin | change the topic | Apr 22 19:23 |
| neighborlee | parallel dimension has hit us ;) | Apr 22 19:23 |
| _goblin | lets hope its one without Microsoft | Apr 22 19:23 |
| _goblin | or ballmer | Apr 22 19:24 |
| neighborlee | LOL | Apr 22 19:24 |
| _goblin | wouldn't like to think there was two of them. | Apr 22 19:24 |
| neighborlee | EEK gad yes | Apr 22 19:24 |
| _goblin | it would be Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers, | Apr 22 19:24 |
| _goblin | instead of Developers,Developers,Developers, | Apr 22 19:24 |
| _goblin | Windows - The parallel universe edition.... | Apr 22 19:26 |
| _goblin | if we go off the theory of infinate universes then one must have a world where Windows actually works and is secure. | Apr 22 19:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://alpha-400-mips-elonex-razorbook-coby.blogspot.com/ | Apr 22 19:27 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | quote: "World's Cheapest Laptops are:Merimobiles, ARM-Based "No Names" (100's of them),Cherrypal,Sungworld Cheap Chinese brands are taking over from pricey netbooks. Already there are *hundreds* of brands based on ARM processors, and available in China and even on the streets of New York. Soon they will be on blister-pack cards at places like Walgreen's and the dollar stores. Here's where to get them -- ANY DAY -- | Apr 22 19:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | These are the ones on ebay | Apr 22 19:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | quote "A PC hanging on a card in a Dollar store: Revolutionary. Commoditized, no-name PCs hitting you in the face at store checkouts everywhere you go, for a really low price: The ultimate impulse buy - irresistible." | Apr 22 19:29 |
| neighborlee | yeah but how big are the displays | Apr 22 19:34 |
| neighborlee | and what can they run beyond simple web browsers I wonder | Apr 22 19:35 |
| neighborlee | although these days..people want things powered cleanly and requiring less and less power TO run | Apr 22 19:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well they small 7" displays, they are made to compete with Netbooks and Ipads | Apr 22 19:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they would not replace a primary computer for people like us. | Apr 22 19:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Gotta love Mono advocates. Trying to defend a poorer cousin of a Microsoft Tech. Next they will be defending Moonlight......oh they do. | Apr 22 19:37 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Goblin! | Apr 22 19:38 |
| neighborlee | Chips_B_Malroy, def.not yup | Apr 22 19:40 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | neighborlee> I would not consider using Windows CE either. If I cannot put Linux ARM on it, its useless to me. | Apr 22 19:41 |
| neighborlee | way agreed ;) | Apr 22 19:41 |
| neighborlee | as much as I currently 'need' windows..I wont go running towards it long as I have alternatives | Apr 22 19:42 |
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| neighborlee | why lock ones self into propreitary , when things like android are as good if not better ;) | Apr 22 19:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | android is at less freer than CE | Apr 22 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *least | Apr 22 19:43 |
| neighborlee | quite ;) | Apr 22 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There is always a market for cheap. Its how Japan started selling after WW2 here. | Apr 22 19:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | China has replaced Japan in that reguard now | Apr 22 19:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and now China will do the same with ARM | Apr 22 19:47 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | people who would never buy a computer before, will think about (impluse) one priced at $70 at Walgreens. | Apr 22 19:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft re-released the proprietary WMV9 as the open VC-1, which they claimed to be royalty-free, did not last long: http://ur1.ca/wi44 | Apr 22 19:48 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hey jono, do you know if Ubuntu is working on their ARM version? | Apr 22 19:49 |
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| jono | Chips_B_Malroy, yep we work on ARM | Apr 22 19:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you have any idea when it will be released as an iso? | Apr 22 19:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have the Debain ARM DVD iso. But Ubuntu installers are usually better. | Apr 22 19:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as in easy | Apr 22 19:54 |
| WireWulf | Debain isnt easy to install? | Apr 22 19:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | WireWulf> it is on x86, I cannot say on ARM, I have the disk, but not the ARM computer to try it on | Apr 22 19:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Usually Debian requires a little more setup than Ubuntu, Mint, Mepis, and other distros based on Debain | Apr 22 19:57 |
| *WireWulf profers debian | Apr 22 19:57 | |
| WireWulf | no offence jono | Apr 22 19:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is my opinion | Apr 22 19:57 |
| WireWulf | honistly i am hooked on gentoo | Apr 22 19:57 |
| WireWulf | xD | Apr 22 19:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but once you get there with Debian, its very good | Apr 22 19:58 |
| jono | Chips_B_Malroy, no idea | Apr 22 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Jono> thanks for the replies | Apr 22 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its usually that way in most distros, when its done, its done, it cannot be rushed, it has to work | Apr 22 20:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Tomcat rocking in the Lucid Lynx - http://is.gd/bDR81 #ubuntu | Apr 22 20:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The always awesome Dan Williams continues to bring the NetworkManager love - http://is.gd/bDRhB | Apr 22 20:02 | |
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| Omar87 | lol, I really love it when a MS sheep tells you they're going to send you an e-mail and then you wait forever the e-mail never shows up. :-) | Apr 22 20:03 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: Cool, I like Nagios. Tried Zenoss for a while but just couldn't figure it out. The Nagios user interface kinda sucks though. Wish it didn't use frames and 90's style cgi. | Apr 22 20:04 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: Saw the news about RH dropping Xen for KVM. Not surprising. I will probably have to move to kvm eventually. Just seems like paravirt offers some nice advantages. | Apr 22 20:05 |
| tessier_ | Hope AoE works well in kvm. | Apr 22 20:05 |
| tessier_ | I have had a heck of a time with it and xen lately. | Apr 22 20:05 |
| neighborlee | Omar87, lol | Apr 22 20:09 |
| neighborlee | Omar87, I love the visual :)) | Apr 22 20:09 |
| Omar87 | neighborlee, visual? | Apr 22 20:09 |
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| Omar87 | neighborlee: Excuse me, what visual exactly? Is it the "Abducted by aliens" thing? :D | Apr 22 20:15 |
| neighborlee | lol | Apr 22 20:15 |
| neighborlee | visual as in..seeing in minds eye something | Apr 22 20:15 |
| Omar87 | neighborlee, yeah. But to which visual are you referring, that's what I'm asking. | Apr 22 20:17 |
| neighborlee | oh | Apr 22 20:17 |
| neighborlee | sheep | Apr 22 20:17 |
| neighborlee | lol | Apr 22 20:17 |
| Omar87 | neighborlee, oh! Lol. :) | Apr 22 20:17 |
| neighborlee | :) | Apr 22 20:17 |
| Omar87 | 'coz really, they are sheep. I'm not sorry because they brought it to themselves. | Apr 22 20:18 |
| neighborlee | mindless herding of sheep..though my dog could do just as well as M$ if not alot better LOL | Apr 22 20:18 |
| neighborlee | ie: he's a herding dog..: kelpie/cattledog mix ;) | Apr 22 20:18 |
| neighborlee | yes he's cute ;) | Apr 22 20:18 |
| neighborlee | lol | Apr 22 20:18 |
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| neighborlee | and very awnry ;) | Apr 22 20:18 |
| Omar87 | lol :) | Apr 22 20:19 |
| neighborlee | :) | Apr 22 20:19 |
| neighborlee | ha | Apr 22 20:19 |
| Omar87 | kool! | Apr 22 20:19 |
| neighborlee | speaking of which he wants to go outside,,NOW | Apr 22 20:19 |
| neighborlee | brb<yes ,,he herdsme too!> | Apr 22 20:19 |
| MinceR | being dominated by a dog is a sad state for a human to be in | Apr 22 20:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Privacy supporters remain quiet? & The hypocrisy of “data”? http://tinyurl.com/27pmck8 #privacy #piracy #humanrights | Apr 22 20:36 | |
| _goblin | oh...I'll get a comeback from this one | Apr 22 20:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Kinda glad I'm not watching #leadersdebate in HD. Standard Definition Gordon is enough! | Apr 22 20:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] All builds of Wolvix can be found on Linuxtracker: http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrents&category=377 My distro of choice #linux | Apr 22 20:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] WTF was that supposed to be Adam Boulton!? 'You were on the cover of the Telegraph today' #leadersdebate | Apr 22 21:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @schestowitz: "We replaced their web browser with Folgers Crystals. Let's see if they notice." B-) | Apr 22 21:02 | |
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| neighborlee | MinceR, lol | Apr 22 21:10 |
| neighborlee | MinceR, well its his breed you know...he's in control not the 'cows' <wink> | Apr 22 21:10 |
| neighborlee | http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/australiankelpie.htm < there's my baby..tell me you aren't afraid...VERY afraid LOL | Apr 22 21:12 |
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| neighborlee | but anyhoo | Apr 22 21:13 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: do you consider yourself a cow then? :> | Apr 22 21:14 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR, why sho bro! | Apr 22 21:15 |
| neighborlee | aren't we all in some way..we get herded here to there and not just by gov, but by our partners in crime :) | Apr 22 21:16 |
| MinceR | i'm not | Apr 22 21:16 |
| MinceR | and i resist attempts to herd me | Apr 22 21:17 |
| neighborlee | lol | Apr 22 21:19 |
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| _goblin | "and i resist attempts to herd me" - so you haven't bought your pc or pay for net access or go to work in order to pay for those things? ;) | Apr 22 21:32 |
| _goblin | one could argue that society fundamentally herds by nature in order to work, | Apr 22 21:33 |
| MinceR | one could twist words around to make them meaningless | Apr 22 21:39 |
| _goblin | one could although, one doesn't | Apr 22 21:41 |
| _goblin | the point was in order for society to work and in order for you to be a part of it, people are herded, be it by being on time for work, paying bills or looking for promotion. Society exists because of rules and people following them, otherwise everyone would do as they pleased and it would be anarchy | Apr 22 21:42 |
| _goblin | wages are the "sweet grass" which gets you there....Bills keep the other services going and following the herd would be by complying will all the above. | Apr 22 21:43 |
| MinceR | and obviously if everyone would do as they pleased it would be bad | Apr 22 21:43 |
| MinceR | because everybody must be told what to do, right? | Apr 22 21:44 |
| MinceR | woe to the one who would dare make decisions for himself | Apr 22 21:44 |
| _goblin | of course.....if you don't have a leader then how would decisions for the herd be made....no leader and everyone would think themselves right. | Apr 22 21:44 |
| MinceR | the idea of society herding itself is interesting too | Apr 22 21:44 |
| MinceR | if you need a leader, go find one for yourself :> | Apr 22 21:45 |
| _goblin | but again a leader or figurehead is needed or otherwise is it not directionless. | Apr 22 21:45 |
| MinceR | emergent behavior is not directionless | Apr 22 21:45 |
| _goblin | what would stop everyone doing as they pleased? | Apr 22 21:45 |
| _goblin | that doesn't sound productive. | Apr 22 21:45 |
| MinceR | is productivity the ultimate goal for life? | Apr 22 21:46 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: remember how in the Wiki the RSS feeds (magpieRSS) wouldn't show up in the text and you did something to sort it out? We have this issue again since 1.5 weeks ago when we swapped domains. | Apr 22 21:46 |
| _goblin | well yes in respect of a working society....there has to be a common goal for everyone to work too. | Apr 22 21:46 |
| MinceR | do you imagine the universe as a big factory? | Apr 22 21:46 |
| MinceR | everyone needs the same common goal and everyone needs to think alike? | Apr 22 21:46 |
| _goblin | yes. I suppose so and even the universe itself works to a set of rules.....if it didn't would it exist? | Apr 22 21:47 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: Ah...ok. Let me recall what that was... | Apr 22 21:47 |
| MinceR | that's a meaningless question | Apr 22 21:47 |
| _goblin | and people do not need to think alike, merely be unique within the confined of the general common goal. | Apr 22 21:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Damned Muslims are at it again. http://bit.ly/azIyXD -When is the last time you saw two guys get death threats for lampooning non-Muslims? | Apr 22 21:47 | |
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| MinceR | also, that "set of rules" you mention are actually a model we constructed to understand and predict its behavior | Apr 22 21:47 |
| _goblin | no the point was, if physics was chaotic without rules then surely our existance would be doubtful. | Apr 22 21:48 |
| MinceR | consider classical mechanics as an example of how such a model can be useful in some cases but not in others | Apr 22 21:48 |
| MinceR | the universe is chaotic and we make up rules in our attempt to understand it :> | Apr 22 21:48 |
| _goblin | it may be chaotic in its result but isnt the behaviour following a set of rules, gravity for example..... | Apr 22 21:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] It would be nice if Revolution Muslim was on the FBI's watch list until they could be deported to a country that hates freedom of speech. | Apr 22 21:49 | |
| _goblin | it has a set of rules....however drop a brick on your foot and it will hurt.... | Apr 22 21:49 |
| _goblin | the brick follows the "rules" depending on where it hits you is how much damage it causes.....the random part if you will | Apr 22 21:50 |
| MinceR | do you know the rules? :> | Apr 22 21:50 |
| _goblin | about the brick or gravity? | Apr 22 21:50 |
| _goblin | ;) | Apr 22 21:50 |
| MinceR | both | Apr 22 21:50 |
| MinceR | in general | Apr 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: thanks, it's nothing urgent BTW | Apr 22 21:51 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: I just changed something. Can you test it now? | Apr 22 21:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Gotta love Mono advocates. Trying to defend a poorer cousin of a Microsoft Tech. Next they will be defending Moonlight..... | Apr 22 21:51 | |
| _goblin | gravity, I assume (in respect of its behaviour on our planet) is well understood......the random element of how much damage the brick causes......another story. | Apr 22 21:51 |
| tessier_ | I need to change the way the nameservice is done and set up a second nameserver for internal use. | Apr 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | The other non-critical thing is the server not being able to access the site it serves... which gives error when TechrightsBot cites Techrights | Apr 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: that did it! | Apr 22 21:52 |
| MinceR | _goblin: so you think that the Rules of Gravity have a special case for our planet? | Apr 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Works now in the Wiki! | Apr 22 21:52 |
| tessier_ | TehcrightsBot probably works now too | Apr 22 21:52 |
| _goblin | mincer: I would say it arrogant to assume that they don't.... | Apr 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: server has worked flawlessly for weeks, so thanks so much for that | Apr 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.com | Apr 22 21:52 |
| tessier_ | My pleasure | Apr 22 21:52 |
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| _goblin | mincer: since there is so much of the universe we don't understand. | Apr 22 21:52 |
| MinceR | _goblin: i would say it arrogant to assume that they do | Apr 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, works | Apr 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't know whether to renew the xandros and linspire domains | Apr 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | You have 5 domains pointing to the same site now :-) | Apr 22 21:53 |
| _goblin | maybe that came out wrong.....what I meant was that just because we have the rules defined for gravity in respect of our planet, it does not mean that rule applies everywhere. | Apr 22 21:53 |
| _goblin | thats why I say its arrogant to assume it does. | Apr 22 21:54 |
| MinceR | then we have them "defined" wrong, from the viewpoint where the Rules are absolute. | Apr 22 21:54 |
| _goblin | not really since the rules of gravity (in respect of earth) are defined by our conditions or parameters, who knows how it operates elsewhere in the universe. | Apr 22 21:55 |
| MinceR | or perhaps we _do_ have a model that's useful locally | Apr 22 21:55 |
| _goblin | perhaps... | Apr 22 21:55 |
| MinceR | who knows? physicist tend to know. | Apr 22 21:55 |
| MinceR | s/st/sts/ | Apr 22 21:55 |
| _goblin | but the original point was, rules are the basis of any working entity. Complete freedom cannot be achieved either in society or in nature. | Apr 22 21:56 |
| _goblin | imagine if gravity had a random set of rules. | Apr 22 21:56 |
| MinceR | and the rules didn't change when relativistic mechanics were discovered, either | Apr 22 21:56 |
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| MinceR | if you were to live in an universe with those "random set of rules", you wouldn't find them "random" at all | Apr 22 21:56 |
| _goblin | I know what you mean......but then by definition, even if random, it follows a rule. | Apr 22 21:57 |
| MinceR | by _your_ definition | Apr 22 21:57 |
| _goblin | there would be no uniformity....and thats a rule unto itself. | Apr 22 21:57 |
| MinceR | strange, earlier you argued that it isn't uniform | Apr 22 21:57 |
| _goblin | sorry, I am talking about the essence or ethos of rules....and Im not agreeing that a random universe would work.....I am merely highlighting that if you site random as evidence of no rules, that in itself is a rule. | Apr 22 21:58 |
| _goblin | *cite | Apr 22 21:59 |
| MinceR | i didn't cite randomness as evidence of no rules | Apr 22 21:59 |
| MinceR | i cite the scope and usefulness of rules we _do_ use as examples of different models that we apply | Apr 22 22:00 |
| _goblin | "if you were to live in an universe with those "random set of rules", you wouldn't find them "random" at all" - I thought that was you trying to suggest that nature does not need a set of rules (in theory) | Apr 22 22:00 |
| MinceR | nature doesn't need a set of rules | Apr 22 22:00 |
| MinceR | we do | Apr 22 22:00 |
| MinceR | to understand and predict its behavior | Apr 22 22:00 |
| _goblin | and we can predict the outcome so the "rules" stand....Throw a brick up, it comes down. | Apr 22 22:01 |
| MinceR | and then sometimes they don't | Apr 22 22:01 |
| MinceR | some of our "rules" are statistical in nature (thermodynamics, for example) | Apr 22 22:01 |
| _goblin | its not likely to turn into an elephant though is it and if it doesn't come down thats hardly as a result of physics it would be a result of another element involved. | Apr 22 22:01 |
| _goblin | for example, throw the brick and a bird swoops down and takes it away | Apr 22 22:02 |
| MinceR | while it's not likely that it will turn into an elephant, it can | Apr 22 22:02 |
| _goblin | I think its safe to say, even with our small knowledge of the universe, that it won't.....that would be chaotic and fly in the face of all the evidence around us.... | Apr 22 22:03 |
| MinceR | you're ignoring that there's already evidence of chaotic behavior all around and inside us | Apr 22 22:03 |
| MinceR | quantum mechanics, for example | Apr 22 22:03 |
| _goblin | Ive never seen any object turn into an elephant......and if such a thing could happen then we would have a vastly different experience of our universe. | Apr 22 22:04 |
| MinceR | there are many events you have never seen | Apr 22 22:04 |
| MinceR | do you believe them all to be impossible? | Apr 22 22:04 |
| _goblin | no, only ones I can see and like I say in the examples of elephants Ive never seen it nor has it ever been documented. | Apr 22 22:04 |
| neighborlee | rules are only d efined ( as in needed ) for those that have a problem with nature :) | Apr 22 22:05 |
| schestowitz | [21:56] <_goblin> imagine if gravity had a random set of rules. | Apr 22 22:05 |
| schestowitz | It's universal | Apr 22 22:05 |
| schestowitz | But it's different in sub-atomic terms | Apr 22 22:05 |
| MinceR | _goblin: can you see it if it happens a thousand light years from Earth? | Apr 22 22:05 |
| _goblin | apparently not.....it doesn't have a set of rules. | Apr 22 22:05 |
| schestowitz | The power that keeps the electrons around the nucleus is vastly greater | Apr 22 22:05 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I happen to agree, Im making the point that society, like nature needs rules to function/ | Apr 22 22:05 |
| MinceR | that's an extremely bad analogy | Apr 22 22:06 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: agreed | Apr 22 22:06 |
| MinceR | even if nature had rules, it would follow them on its own | Apr 22 22:06 |
| schestowitz | But rules should change | Apr 22 22:06 |
| neighborlee | no society does not need rules | Apr 22 22:06 |
| MinceR | people choose to follow or not to follow rules | Apr 22 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Over times | Apr 22 22:06 |
| schestowitz | *time | Apr 22 22:06 |
| MinceR | and they choose what rules to follow | Apr 22 22:06 |
| schestowitz | We develop and change | Apr 22 22:06 |
| MinceR | and they change the rules | Apr 22 22:06 |
| neighborlee | we only need rules atm, because we are too inept on purpose atm to do otherwise | Apr 22 22:07 |
| _goblin | yes, but as a whole, if everyone did as they pleased it would be anarchy.....my original point. | Apr 22 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Rules for pollutions needed in case of overpopulation and fossil fuel burnout for example | Apr 22 22:07 |
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| MinceR | and anarchy would be great | Apr 22 22:07 |
| schestowitz | We no longer need to kill all snakes | Apr 22 22:07 |
| _goblin | RMS might want one thing...I want another....Ballmer has his ideas.... | Apr 22 22:07 |
| schestowitz | We have houses | Apr 22 22:07 |
| MinceR | yet everyone doing as they please can mean a lot of things, not just anarchy | Apr 22 22:07 |
| schestowitz | My mate told me today that the Conservatives want to restore fox hunting | Apr 22 22:07 |
| schestowitz | We watched the Sky debate for 2 hours | Apr 22 22:07 |
| _goblin | we are all herded in our daily lives, even if its just getting to work on time, otherwise if you wern't why not just turn up when you wanted. | Apr 22 22:08 |
| MinceR | i might want to do something to ballmer | Apr 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | The Lib Dems have an appeal to them | Apr 22 22:08 |
| _goblin | Mincer: Ballmer - Now thats an example of chaotic that proves your point! | Apr 22 22:08 |
| MinceR | _goblin: even in anarchy, actions have consequences and sane people tend to consider those consequences when deciding what to do | Apr 22 22:08 |
| MinceR | people don't need rules to understand consequences | Apr 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | If I had swapped my German nationality for British I could actually vote, but... | Apr 22 22:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8637270.stm | Apr 22 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 90.97 KB | Apr 22 22:09 |
| _goblin | Mincer: But the debate was on a working society.......society cannot exist in anarchy. | Apr 22 22:09 |
| MinceR | _goblin: it depends on what people it's made of | Apr 22 22:09 |
| _goblin | any people..... | Apr 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | People uses to live in villages | Apr 22 22:09 |
| MinceR | there already are people with whom anarchy could already work | Apr 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Small colonies | Apr 22 22:09 |
| _goblin | how would you convince me to go to work? | Apr 22 22:09 |
| MinceR | a tiny minority | Apr 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | The world's tyrants didn't kill manuy | Apr 22 22:09 |
| MinceR | _goblin: your employee would offer to give you compensation for your work | Apr 22 22:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Greece's budget deficit worse than first thought" | Apr 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | I think Genghis Kahn only killed about a million | Apr 22 22:09 |
| MinceR | _goblin: hopefully that's already the case | Apr 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Same with Alexander the Great | Apr 22 22:10 |
| MinceR | s/employee/employer/ | Apr 22 22:10 |
| _goblin | Mincer: There you go, herding......"if you come into my field you get the sweet grass" | Apr 22 22:10 |
| schestowitz | With lots of space freedom is easier | Apr 22 22:10 |
| schestowitz | You arrange it around family and relatives | Apr 22 22:10 |
| MinceR | _goblin: so if i give you an offer you could accept or refuse, i'm herding you? | Apr 22 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Like gangs of gorillas or other apes do | Apr 22 22:10 |
| MinceR | _goblin: if two people do business with each other, are they herding each other? | Apr 22 22:10 |
| _goblin | Mincer: and so could the "cow" what else do you think gets people doing the jobs nobody else wants to do? | Apr 22 22:10 |
| MinceR | i don't understand that question | Apr 22 22:11 |
| _goblin | the cow can choose.... | Apr 22 22:11 |
| schestowitz | People making milk :-) | Apr 22 22:11 |
| _goblin | we know what it will choose | Apr 22 22:11 |
| MinceR | the cow is nonsentient | Apr 22 22:11 |
| _goblin | really? | Apr 22 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Too creamy, needs diluting | Apr 22 22:11 |
| MinceR | really | Apr 22 22:11 |
| _goblin | how do you know? | Apr 22 22:11 |
| schestowitz | And sterilisation | Apr 22 22:11 |
| MinceR | its behavior betrays its intellect | Apr 22 22:11 |
| _goblin | ah...by your set of rules | Apr 22 22:12 |
| schestowitz | cows are a modern species | Apr 22 22:12 |
| MinceR | that's not a function of rules | Apr 22 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Domesticated | Apr 22 22:12 |
| MinceR | there are tests you can do with animals that can't speak/write to test their intelligence, if you can motivate them and they can interact with the test | Apr 22 22:12 |
| schestowitz | jono: re http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/04/22/change-i-can-believe-in/ KDE4 looks even better IMHO | Apr 22 22:12 |
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| MinceR | this has been done in many cases | Apr 22 22:12 |
| _goblin | Mincer: So you can motivate a cow but it can't be sentient? | Apr 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Dolphins... | Apr 22 22:13 |
| _goblin | exactly roy | Apr 22 22:13 |
| MinceR | _goblin: indeed | Apr 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Humans used to be very stupid | Apr 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Now we have literature | Apr 22 22:13 |
| MinceR | dolphins are a lot more intelligent than cows | Apr 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | So info can pass and not lost b/w generations | Apr 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Let me show you a video | Apr 22 22:13 |
| MinceR | info could pass via word of mouth | Apr 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | We're basically the same lame people who lives 10k years ago | Apr 22 22:13 |
| _goblin | and how can we put our "sentience" (or understanding of it) onto an animal and say its not. | Apr 22 22:13 |
| MinceR | it was less effective but it worked | Apr 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Same pysical traits | Apr 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Same brain | Apr 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | But we don't live in caves and fight jaguars | Apr 22 22:14 |
| MinceR | _goblin: show me the cow that makes and uses tools | Apr 22 22:14 |
| _goblin | that doesn't mean its not sentient..... | Apr 22 22:14 |
| MinceR | it's an important benchmark, afaik | Apr 22 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcrJ2HFKogs | Apr 22 22:14 |
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| _goblin | what about the human who has been kept like an animal and can't speak. | Apr 22 22:14 |
| _goblin | there was a case of that. | Apr 22 22:14 |
| _goblin | and a file. | Apr 22 22:14 |
| _goblin | film | Apr 22 22:14 |
| MinceR | that human still shows many signs of intelligence and sentience | Apr 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Chimps are smart | Apr 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz | They not only use stones to crack nuts | Apr 22 22:15 |
| _goblin | just like my dog....same signs of intelligence....its open to blackmail it can be happy it can be sad.....it responds when its in pain, it learns from its mistakes. | Apr 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz | They pick branches, removes leaves from them after selection, then use them to hunt and get food | Apr 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz | A kid without education would be just as smart but with vocal chords | Apr 22 22:16 |
| _goblin | My dog, once licked a hot radiator.....it never did it again. | Apr 22 22:16 |
| MinceR | dogs are overrated | Apr 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | So the kid/adult can tell another to grab branch | Apr 22 22:16 |
| _goblin | my dog knows from the tone of my voice if its in trouble... | Apr 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Singalling | Apr 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Like whales do | Apr 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Whales have almost universal languages and songs | Apr 22 22:16 |
| _goblin | and my dog (if offered two treats) will choose the one it likes the best. | Apr 22 22:16 |
| _goblin | Try telling him he's not sentient: http://twitpic.com/1oyeq | Apr 22 22:19 |
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| MinceR | i would, though in less formal language | Apr 22 22:19 |
| MinceR | (i hate dogs anyway) | Apr 22 22:19 |
| _goblin | He's seen your handle on IRC......your cards are marked! ;) | Apr 22 22:21 |
| _goblin | (and yes he does use IRSSI) | Apr 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Android OS gets loaded onto the Iphone | Apr 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1602307/android-os-loaded-iphone | Apr 22 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | I recently found that a friend of mine did not understand DNA | Apr 22 22:22 |
| _goblin | Have anyone ever met someone with a good word to say about WinMob? | Apr 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Some smart people are not learning vital information, which is sad and dangerous | Apr 22 22:22 |
| _goblin | apathy roy. | Apr 22 22:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Freda likes it when I purr like a cat. "Like *big* meow!" | Apr 22 22:22 | |
| _goblin | no obvious gain for themselves, no interest. | Apr 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | When society takes pride in ignorance, then we risk the post-Greek revolution descend | Apr 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | We ascended just a few centuries ago | Apr 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Got telescopes | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Got the planets mapped right | Apr 22 22:23 |
| _goblin | its the same ignorance that keeps Microsoft in the black. | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Travelled to planets | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Deciphered the origin | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | And yet, there's risk | Apr 22 22:23 |
| MinceR | _goblin: i can tell you that WinMob5 sucks less than PalmOS 5 and hypePhone OS | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Those who spread disinformation sometimes grow the most | Apr 22 22:23 |
| MinceR | but that's not saying much | Apr 22 22:23 |
| _goblin | Mincer: Thats about the nicest thing Ive seen written. | Apr 22 22:23 |
| *MinceR finally got rid of winmob this week | Apr 22 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | They don't understand what was learned before it was insisted again that the world was flat | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | And that atoms don't exist | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It's possible to go backwards | Apr 22 22:24 |
| _goblin | Microsoft has been doing it for years. | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Good index for pseudo-science: http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php | Apr 22 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | And this stuff SELLS | Apr 22 22:24 |
| MinceR | i finally got my nokia n97 | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | The US leads the way in the West... when it comes to pseudo-science promotion | Apr 22 22:24 |
| _goblin | Im HTC Hero.....love Android | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | They also lead in the biggest accomploishment | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Which is rather ironic | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: you use it for IRC via twitter | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: set up an identica account too | Apr 22 22:25 |
| _goblin | I have an IRC client | Apr 22 22:25 |
| MinceR | i have an SSH client | Apr 22 22:26 |
| _goblin | and a Twitter client | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ssh.........! | Apr 22 22:26 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: The IRC client is impressive........ | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | sshow off | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: what's it based on? | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Android lacks FOSS apps | Apr 22 22:26 |
| _goblin | Pass..... | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | All going via Google | Apr 22 22:27 |
| _goblin | Ive got a link..... | Apr 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Palm has Yanoff for NG | Apr 22 22:27 |
| MinceR | android lacks native apps with proper API access | Apr 22 22:27 |
| MinceR | what android doesn't lack is the kill switch | Apr 22 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Some religious guy took over the project and used it for religious purposes | Apr 22 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | amarsh04: About? | Apr 22 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | I guess not | Apr 22 22:27 |
| _goblin | http://www.webimpact.co.jp/darairc/ | Apr 22 22:27 |
| _goblin | DaraIRC | Apr 22 22:27 |
| _goblin | I got it for free from the marketplace. | Apr 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | 'Marketplace' | Apr 22 22:28 |
| *schestowitz blasts in marketing buzz buzzery | Apr 22 22:28 | |
| _goblin | most of the apps are free. | Apr 22 22:28 |
| _goblin | (as in beer) | Apr 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: don't you get in FOSS ones in the Android FleaMarket? | Apr 22 22:28 |
| MinceR | shall we merge all these software shop names? | Apr 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Store... marketplace... Central | Apr 22 22:29 |
| MinceR | Storemarketplace | Apr 22 22:29 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I think so, however Dara had the best reviews so I didn't look at the rest after that. | Apr 22 22:29 |
| schestowitz | MSShop | Apr 22 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Jobs won't put porn in his Store | Apr 22 22:29 |
| schestowitz | iBrothel | Apr 22 22:29 |
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| TechrightsBot | Store... marketplace... Central | Apr 22 22:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Storemarketplace | Apr 22 22:29 |
| TechrightsBot | schestowitz: I think so, however Dara had the best reviews so I didn't look at the rest after that. | Apr 22 22:29 |
| TechrightsBot | MSShop | Apr 22 22:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Jobs won't put porn in his Store | Apr 22 22:29 |
| TechrightsBot | iBrothel | Apr 22 22:29 |
| _goblin | I paid £5 for Midnight Bowling 2.....most fun Ive ever had for £5....still playing it. | Apr 22 22:29 |
| schestowitz | brb, news | Apr 22 22:30 |
| *sebsebseb ended up with a screen slightly smaller than the old current one hrm | Apr 22 22:30 | |
| _goblin | Opera is excellent too.....I always ignored it as a browser although I may now give it a run on the desktop | Apr 22 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | also with a stand that is a little bit lower down | Apr 22 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Apr 22 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | resulting in it looking a little bit more smaller | Apr 22 22:30 |
| _goblin | its certainly better than the default browser. | Apr 22 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: yeah I | Apr 22 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | well | Apr 22 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | since this montior stuff I been going through the last week or two something like that | Apr 22 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | I was on Ubuntu on the other computer | Apr 22 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | the other day wanting to watch BBC Click | Apr 22 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but for some reason javascript issue, Firefox and such, problems | Apr 22 22:31 |
| _goblin | Go Wolvix......new build is out....... | Apr 22 22:31 |
| _goblin | "Once you try slack you never go back" | Apr 22 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | Youtube and such would work. Anyway I thought bugger this i'll just Wine | Apr 22 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess I thought Firefox first, but then was like nah, I want to do the latest Opera | Apr 22 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | I didn't want to screw around re installing Flash into Ubuntu and that kind of thing | Apr 22 22:32 |
| _goblin | Im a Chromium user...and you shouldn't need to re-install flash if its already there, should you? | Apr 22 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | later versions of Opera, intall, but then issue trying to open, but the version that is the current latest Linux version, works fine in Wine | Apr 22 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Epiphany and Galeon and such also had the issue | Apr 22 22:33 |
| _goblin | Fine in Wine? ;) | Apr 22 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | I can't be arsed to mess around with that computer much on Ubuntu at the moment | Apr 22 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | since | Apr 22 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | I plan to upgrade it from 9.10 to 10.04 on the 1st of May | Apr 22 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | the release is 29th, but loads of the fan boys and girls, will be getting it on the first day, and probably the day after, so 1st May should be good | Apr 22 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | since download servers will be really slow to begin with | Apr 22 22:34 |
| _goblin | Im looking forward to trying 10.04....although my main rig will remain slack. | Apr 22 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | played fine in Opera in Wine, but well when I try to do full screen, problem. I guess maybe an option in Wine so it can do full screen, but I was like bugger this, i'll just boot up XP on here and play it | Apr 22 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | so that's what I did | Apr 22 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: well the rc of 10.04 was released today | Apr 22 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | about to download it in fact | Apr 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MQ | Apr 22 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | it's coming! | Apr 22 22:35 |
| _goblin | yeah I have no time...... | Apr 22 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | and do a vm | Apr 22 22:35 |
| _goblin | I'll sit down and look at it over the weekend. | Apr 22 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I am a bit annoyed about this monitor stuff in a way though | Apr 22 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | basically I got problems with the one I am using now | Apr 22 22:35 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: maybe it can in desktop mode | Apr 22 22:36 |
| MinceR | (or what it's called) | Apr 22 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | showing bits of grey on the screen, when turned off sometimes. | Apr 22 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | uhmmm showing bits of what is meant to be shown, flashing at times | Apr 22 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm | Apr 22 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes refusing to go off, and such. | Apr 22 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then at times working fine | Apr 22 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: my parants and little brother were stuck on holiday since the volcano | Apr 22 22:37 |
| MinceR | if you're using compositing, that can have issues with fullscreen apps | Apr 22 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they came back today, and the new monitor well I would have had it on Tuesday, but... so Wednesday yep | Apr 22 22:37 |
| MinceR | (different methods of making it fullscreen, unredirecting or not) | Apr 22 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I wasn't that sure how to connect stand and such, I suck at hardware. my Dad helped me set up and that today | Apr 22 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then this old screen starts to work properly again as well, he like secured the connections or something, it may be all ok now | Apr 22 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | so far so good | Apr 22 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | what I am annoyed about is that really this old screen ,is better than the new screen | Apr 22 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | since it seems to be a bit bigger, even though I thought they would be the same size, but I guess not | Apr 22 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | anyway now since two monitors, I am thinking about bringing the old computer back from the dead, I think just a graphics card needs to be replaced, and maybe it can deal with a bit more RAM, it's currently 128MB | Apr 22 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | and it's got a floppy disc drive, and I got old floppy discs around, would be fun to put them in, and see what's on them, from years, and years ago | Apr 22 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | anyone following my story? anyone care? | Apr 22 22:42 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: I have the same issue, an older monitor has a sharper image than a newer one. | Apr 22 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: What do you mean sharper image? | Apr 22 22:42 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: images appear crisper, text easier to read. | Apr 22 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | well newer is not always better | Apr 22 22:43 |
| _goblin | agreed | Apr 22 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | I guess this applys to hardware as well as I just found out | Apr 22 22:43 |
| _goblin | newer looks nicer when its switched off though | Apr 22 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | the old monitor has this like uhmm square rectangle stand | Apr 22 22:43 |
| _goblin | nice casing | Apr 22 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | nice stand for the old one | Apr 22 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | rather dusty at the moment | Apr 22 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | new monitor has a stand that has a circular bottom. and then the like tunnel type thing, and the monitor | Apr 22 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | guess which one I prefer? | Apr 22 22:44 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: If you are thinking of bringing an old computer back from the dead and you want it as an entertainment machine, consider puppy arcade. | Apr 22 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: it died with Ubuntu Edgy Eft on it :) | Apr 22 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | I remember XP was blue screen of deathing page fault in non paged area | Apr 22 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | I ignored it blamed XP for fun | Apr 22 22:45 |
| _goblin | sounds painful | Apr 22 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | since Fedora well not sure if I had the problem then | Apr 22 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Ubuntu though yeah, that worked fine for quite a while, without issue | Apr 22 22:45 |
| _goblin | worst PC for Linux.... | Apr 22 22:45 |
| _goblin | A compac | Apr 22 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | slightest thing goes wrong with hardware, and Windows will complain, a blue screen of death maybe, good luck understanding what that means also, unless a Windows geek | Apr 22 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | Linux distros will ignore it, and things will be good untill a more serious issue | Apr 22 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | for me that's an advantage, and probably loads of other people as well, but is it really that's the thing? | Apr 22 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: the old computer has a hard disk with Ubuntu on it as I was saying, but also data I would like to get hold of, after like three years, nothing has been done with it yet | Apr 22 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | there's also a blank hard disk in there, properly blank, since I tried program on it, proper hard disk cleaning program for my first time, just to try | Apr 22 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah should be properly blank, or if not, a lot of junk data on it | Apr 22 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: 40GB hard disks | Apr 22 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | which is way more than what is needed for a Linux distro | Apr 22 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Apr 22 22:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Sky poll: Clegg's mother is Hitler http://newstechnica.com/?p=2042 #leadersdebate | Apr 22 22:50 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sky poll: Cleggs mother is Hitler | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 35.74 KB | Apr 22 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | might put XP on the old computer, if it does indeed come back from the dead. altough I am thinking if I do any Windows 3D gaming for example, that really I would want to do that on this computer. | Apr 22 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | two computers, I could have one on Windohs, whilst the other is on a better OS :) | Apr 22 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | for example | Apr 22 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft results are in. The losses online have increased, typical spin is being used when everyone results ascend from a terrible, post-collapse year | Apr 22 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I thought my speakers had messed up, as well earlier, the old speakers I have, since music wasn't playing as loud as it should. I ended up trying to try on Vista, but right issues trying to boot it up, so I just gave up with that in the end. Back to Mandriva and on KDE instead of Gnome this time, and the s speakers are doing the music fine in KDE. | Apr 22 22:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard I've watched that debate, he was quite decent | Apr 22 22:52 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Which TV channel do you watch the news on by the way? | Apr 22 22:52 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: You did make sure (if you were using Ubuntu) that the master volume was high enough.... | Apr 22 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I was on Mandrive One 2010 Gnome when I got the sound issue, I did try to get into some sort of sound control or whatever it was, but some little issue or whatever, so I was like bugger it, i'll just try Vista | Apr 22 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | and then after the Vista thing, I guess I thought well try KDE instead of Gnome then | Apr 22 22:54 |
| _goblin | things must have been bad! | Apr 22 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: That Vista install is a little hrm | Apr 22 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | last few times I been on it, so hardly ever, has been offline :) | Apr 22 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | yep ethernet cable out | Apr 22 22:54 |
| _goblin | "its the only way to be sure" | Apr 22 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | it's got two accounts, not sure why, I think I did admin and limited account | Apr 22 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | also not sure where the drivers CD is :( | Apr 22 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | for I belive the garphics card and such hrm | Apr 22 22:55 |
| _goblin | I think admin or not Vista is limited by nature | Apr 22 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | oh and figuring out what driver/s to use for Windows, and where to get it/them from, can be a right annoyance on Windohs, been there done that. | Apr 22 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | got the t shirt | Apr 22 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: you know that saying/phrase sure you do? | Apr 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: depends when | Apr 22 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well you said you were going to see news earlier? | Apr 22 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | so I was wondering which channel | Apr 22 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Sky | Apr 22 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uh Sky News? | Apr 22 22:57 |
| schestowitz | 'News' | Apr 22 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | you have Sky, you of all people? :D | Apr 22 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | I mean Sky = Rupert Murdoch so = bad really | Apr 22 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch made it like Faux | Apr 22 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | altough Sky One is one of the best TV channels in this countrey | Apr 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | It was a Sky-hosted debate | Apr 22 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | what's Faux? | Apr 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Fox | Apr 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Faux news | Apr 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Meaning fake news | Apr 22 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Apr 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Like News Technica | Apr 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | david's site | Apr 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | News of the News | Apr 22 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I had a look at a boycott boycottnovell site a little bit last night by the way, since someone gave the link | Apr 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | sorry, I interrupted you guys | Apr 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: don't feed him | Apr 22 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: nothing to be sorry about, plus he hadn't replied to the last thing I said to him | Apr 22 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well the site did seem rather idiotic, from what I saw | Apr 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | OK, I didn't mean to rudely barge in | Apr 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | _goblin is a very pleasant person | Apr 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm shocked the Mono militants call him c* and stuff | Apr 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Beranger on the other hand... | Apr 22 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh yeah there's an interview or whatever with Matt Zimmermand or whatever he's called | Apr 22 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: that Canonical guy | Apr 22 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | you know the one I mean | Apr 22 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | and he basically said Mono is bad or something like that | Apr 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Matt is OK | Apr 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | There are others in Canonical who I worry about | Apr 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Spencer for one thing | Apr 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | he was hired from Microsoft | Apr 22 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: heh this monitor was meant to be pretty good etc etc | Apr 22 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: doesn't seem so when it's not plugged in to a computer | Apr 22 23:02 |
| schestowitz | And they also hired Mono folks... and from Novell | Apr 22 23:02 |
| MinceR | asay is a problem too | Apr 22 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: maybe it's built in sound is better than this screen's, I hope so, since I don't have any proper speakers for the old computer | Apr 22 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah and Yahoo is becoming Microsoft well kind of | Apr 22 23:03 |
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| sebsebseb | anyway I got an Ubuntu 10.04 RC to try, also apparnatly the default Yahoo/Bing won't happen anymore, so in that case the RC won't have by default | Apr 22 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | vm trying :) vm's :) and I also got PC Linux OS 2010 Gnome downloaded waiting for me to vm try as well | Apr 22 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: asay is a problem? | Apr 22 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: maybe in certain ways, since his love for Mac | Apr 22 23:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: :( yeah | Apr 22 23:08 |
| schestowitz | A different type though | Apr 22 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay is not technical | Apr 22 23:08 |
| MinceR | a crApple cultist has no place in a supposed FLOSS company | Apr 22 23:08 |
| schestowitz | So his danger is a diplomatic one for the most part | Apr 22 23:08 |
| MinceR | especially not in management | Apr 22 23:08 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: yet we see ubuntu copying osx even more in the release after his entry | Apr 22 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Macult is not healthy | Apr 22 23:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: poorly | Apr 22 23:09 |
| MinceR | yeah, it still has way too much functionality | Apr 22 23:09 |
| MinceR | and flexibility | Apr 22 23:09 |
| MinceR | but they're getting there | Apr 22 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | PCs are not skin-thin | Apr 22 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Their proposition should differ | Apr 22 23:10 |
| schestowitz | In spite of brainwashed masses | Apr 22 23:11 |
| schestowitz | They need to know their audience | Apr 22 23:11 |
| schestowitz | They need to know their audience | Apr 22 23:11 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ uname -a | Apr 22 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Linux roy 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux | Apr 22 23:11 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ uptime | Apr 22 23:11 |
| schestowitz | 23:11:25 up 156 days, 19:42, 3 users, load average: 0.38, 0.27, 0.31 | Apr 22 23:11 |
| MinceR | PC UIs should be able to grow with their user | Apr 22 23:11 |
| MinceR | GNU/Linux tends to be able to do that, macos can't | Apr 22 23:11 |
| schestowitz | it looks the same as it did in 10. | Apr 22 23:12 |
| schestowitz | it looks the same as it did in 10.1 | Apr 22 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Just more purple | Apr 22 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Star dust | Apr 22 23:12 |
| MinceR | and window buttons on the left | Apr 22 23:13 |
| MinceR | and osx-ish purple wallpaper | Apr 22 23:13 |
| MinceR | and (iirc) they removed the icons from menu items and dialog buttons (though this might have happened earlier) | Apr 22 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Good video I saw today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohQiyWckVkE | Apr 22 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Your Grand Daddy (for the spaceheads and the curious) .::. Size~: 86.93 KB | Apr 22 23:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: earlier | Apr 22 23:14 |
| schestowitz | One year ago almost | Apr 22 23:14 |
| MinceR | (apparently the self-proclaimed "experts" at crApple can't make up their mind about whether icons help or confuse the illiterate) | Apr 22 23:14 |
| schestowitz | gnome decision | Apr 22 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Not ubuntu | Apr 22 23:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/7047/1/ | Apr 22 23:15 |
| MinceR | gnome is all about copying osx, too | Apr 22 23:15 |
| ThistleWeb | squrrels can be trained to push the right buttons to get nuts | Apr 22 23:15 |
| MinceR | ever since they stopped copying kde | Apr 22 23:15 |
| ThistleWeb | relying on icons is treating users as much the same, trained squirrels | Apr 22 23:16 |
| MinceR | they should go back to copying kde, if they have to copy somebody | Apr 22 23:16 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: icons can be found faster than text | Apr 22 23:16 |
| MinceR | of course in the GUI where dialog buttons are arranged to make it slower to find the most often used buttons this is not a criterion | Apr 22 23:17 |
| ThistleWeb | they can be, but when you change the icon theme and the same app is under a new icon, can the user still tell it's the same app? or do they think the app is removed becaue they dont see the same image? | Apr 22 23:17 |
| MinceR | if the user can't tell it's the same app because menu item icons and/or dialog button icons are differently styled, should they be using a computer? | Apr 22 23:17 |
| MinceR | should they be changing iconsets? | Apr 22 23:18 |
| MinceR | should the users who happen to have brains be hamstrung by decisions made to deal with such people? | Apr 22 23:18 |
| MinceR | i think if they can't handle the effects of changing colors/themes/iconsets then they just shouldn't do it | Apr 22 23:19 |
| ThistleWeb | user education is very important, plenty of corps like to profit from a lack of it | Apr 22 23:19 |
| MinceR | perhaps users shouldn't be educated to look for particularly colored groups of pixels | Apr 22 23:19 |
| MinceR | they should know concepts, ideas and UI elements | Apr 22 23:19 |
| ThistleWeb | using a PC does not need to be rocket science, but there are some basics users should be eductated on | Apr 22 23:20 |
| MinceR | the human visual system can identify a button regardless of what color it is -- i think this could work on GUIs too | Apr 22 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Steve's just found his next organ donor. http://www.microsplot.com/blog/2010/04/iphone-4g-and-steve-jobs-liver | Apr 22 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FOUND: Steve Jobs's next liver | MICROSPLOT .::. Size~: 29.54 KB | Apr 22 23:22 |
| schestowitz | LEAKED: Steve Jobs's next liver | Apr 22 23:22 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Apr 22 23:22 |
| MinceR | is the set of potential donors called the Liverpool? | Apr 22 23:23 |
| schestowitz | [23:17] <MinceR> if the user can't tell it's the same app because menu item icons and/or dialog button icons are differently styled, should they be using a computer? | Apr 22 23:23 |
| schestowitz | What about the illiterate/kids? | Apr 22 23:23 |
| MinceR | perhaps they shouldn't go around switching iconsets if they can't handle the consequences | Apr 22 23:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, liverharvest | Apr 22 23:23 |
| schestowitz | He makes them cheap in China where his products are made | Apr 22 23:24 |
| MinceR | (it would certainly impair their abilities where icons are still used) | Apr 22 23:24 |
| schestowitz | hypePod, MacB0rk, liver... | Apr 22 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Foxconn makes them cheaply | Apr 22 23:24 |
| MinceR | also, they might want systems designed to educate them anyway | Apr 22 23:24 |
| MinceR | say, Sugar | Apr 22 23:24 |
| schestowitz | The price of extreme capitalism | Apr 22 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, SUgar Labs | Apr 22 23:25 |
| schestowitz | A friend mention it the other day | Apr 22 23:25 |
| schestowitz | They still deploy some | Apr 22 23:25 |
| schestowitz | A spoonful of GNU | Apr 22 23:25 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=6317 | Apr 22 23:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Not all IBM Linux can be put in a red hat, SUSE | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 81.46 KB | Apr 22 23:26 |
| *schestowitz can envision Sutor putting on his BillG t-shirt | Apr 22 23:26 | |
| schestowitz | But he does his job | Apr 22 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Big Blue | Apr 22 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Part of the job is leaving one's brain in a jar when entering the HQ | Apr 22 23:27 |
| MinceR | Big Blue Screen of Death? | Apr 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Worse | Apr 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Blue Balls of Death | Apr 22 23:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 22 23:27 |
| MinceR | at least no Beachball of Death | Apr 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft = Impotence-ready | Apr 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_balls | Apr 22 23:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Blue balls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 27.53 KB | Apr 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Did you hear the story about Romanian hospitals and Vista? | Apr 22 23:29 |
| MinceR | nope | Apr 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=6333 | Apr 22 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: White House delivers Drupal a stimulus | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 78.85 KB | Apr 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Obama hacks php | Apr 22 23:30 |
| schestowitz | He's good at *eveything* !! | Apr 22 23:30 |
| MinceR | is hacking php worth being good at? :> | Apr 22 23:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.netzwelt.de/download/6355-sun-odf-plugin-for-microsoft-office.html | Apr 22 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office 1.2 @NETZWELT.de .::. Size~: 36.29 KB | Apr 22 23:38 |
| schestowitz | blast it.. | Apr 22 23:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: depends, but php is very commonplace | Apr 22 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking it earlier... 7 years ago when I was doing interviews php was small, very small | Apr 22 23:38 |
| schestowitz | online apps were scarce | Apr 22 23:38 |
| schestowitz | So knowing normal p/ls was enough | Apr 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | But not it's mostly web-facing | Apr 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Facebook is something many people use | Apr 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | And it's changing things a lot... now that I would care about that... Google I can trust more | Apr 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Google uses Perl and Python too... they also grow fast | Apr 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz | White House now uses a Belgian CMS | Apr 22 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | WordPress=Texas | Apr 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz | With one dev from Manc | Apr 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: | Apr 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I got your links | Apr 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I don't know where to fit such a topic | Apr 22 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, thanks | Apr 22 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I prefer to write about financial corruption | Apr 22 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I like corruption for coverage, I don't know why... since I was a teenager I saw that as a priority | Apr 22 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I was right about Goldman all along :-) | Apr 22 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: seen Microsoft's results? | Apr 22 23:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, you don't need to use them. I was just pointing out that the foreclosure issue is still a big problem | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Losses widen online | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Over $2 billion | Apr 22 23:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, MS seems to be riding increases in computer sales | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, top priority | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Homelessness | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Not on the agenda | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I hope Joe does per-division breakdown like the last time | Apr 22 23:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The banks and the gov are suppressing the true picture of the foreclosure market | Apr 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | You brought it here to IRC the last time he did this | Apr 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: like they cover up nuclear disasters | Apr 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | The ones in Colorado for example | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Leaks and improper burial of nukes/waste | Apr 22 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | St. Vrain? | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | It still poisons children who play nearby | Apr 22 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or the Flats? | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | I watched a film about it the other day | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | I can find it........ | Apr 22 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there was also the Rocky Mtn Arsenal | Apr 22 23:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but that was more releted to nerve gas and other chemicals | Apr 22 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it now | Apr 22 23:46 |
| schestowitz | But it's not cancer valley http://www.archive.org/details/freespeechtv_sourcecode2_06 | Apr 22 23:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: SourceCode Season 2 - Episode 6: New Orleans/Sacrificial Zone : Free Speech TV : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive .::. Size~: 17.73 KB | Apr 22 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Or the one Monsanto poisoned | Apr 22 23:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think a lot of people are accepting Windows7 as the best that MS is going give them, and afriad that MS will make 8 worse again | Apr 22 23:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so resistance to 7 has faded somewhat compared to Vista with the public | Apr 22 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Now this... http://www.archive.org/details/freespeechtv_sourcecode3_02 | Apr 22 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: SourceCode Season3 - Episode 2: Eco Dissent/Not Terrorism : Free Speech TV : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive .::. Size~: 18.32 KB | Apr 22 23:48 |
| MinceR | xp sucks less than vista7 | Apr 22 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe this.. http://www.archive.org/details/freespeechtv_sourcecode3_03 | Apr 22 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: SourceCode Season 3 - Episode 3: Enemies of the Environment : Free Speech TV : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive .::. Size~: 18.43 KB | Apr 22 23:48 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 22 23:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> agreed about XP, but XP is still bad compared to GNU | Apr 22 23:49 |
| MinceR | goes without saying | Apr 22 23:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.geeks.co.uk/21002-42-percent-of-360-users-reporting-failure | Apr 22 23:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 42 Percent of 360 Users Reporting Failure | geeks.co.uk .::. Size~: 34.08 KB | Apr 22 23:50 |
| schestowitz | kde4.... /me drools | Apr 22 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I wrote about it in techrights | Apr 22 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok | Apr 22 23:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/04/18/xbox-360-cutting-corners/ | Apr 22 23:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Xbox 360 Still Failing for Half of Microsofts Customers as Company Sails Abroad for Savings | Techrights .::. Size~: 100.26 KB | Apr 22 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | kde4 and my ATI card do not get along yet | Apr 22 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But then, its Novell that is working on the open source ATI radon driver, which laid off one worker and shortened the hours of the other two | Apr 22 23:52 |
| MinceR | and it's AMD/ATI that isn't working on it at all | Apr 22 23:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | true | Apr 22 23:53 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3877471/IT-Outsourcing-and-the-Unemployable-US-Tech-Professional.h | Apr 22 23:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IT Outsourcing and the "Unemployable" US Tech Professional — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 72.07 KB | Apr 22 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft labelled them "Unemployable" | Apr 22 23:54 |
| schestowitz | A career criminal wanted cheap labour | Apr 22 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Labeled Americans "Stupid" | Apr 22 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Took over the school system | Apr 22 23:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So before I invest in a new card, I will wait for my old kde3.5 to become obsolete. And by that time I may have to buy Nividia, although I have little respect for them | Apr 22 23:55 |
| schestowitz | And discouraged studying CS (which he never learned himself as a law student) by pushing to Infosys/HCL | Apr 22 23:55 |
| schestowitz | MEPIS still clings onto 3 | Apr 22 23:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, oddly enough, IBM has done more outsourceing than even MS | Apr 22 23:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mepis has 8.0 (kde3.5) and 8.5 (kde4.0) | Apr 22 23:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There are two problems with the drivers for ATI in Mepis 8.5 kde 4 | Apr 22 23:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | dual monitor support and 16:9 support | Apr 22 23:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the vesa driver only supports 16:10 and 4:3 | Apr 22 23:58 |
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