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schestowitzWhat did she have to see in Paris?May 09 00:00
DaemonFCusually it's in 1,000 pieces, overpriced, breaks after a few uses, requires replacement parts you can't get soon after, etc.May 09 00:00
schestowitzCould she not find photos of Eiffel Tower?May 09 00:00
schestowitzPeople feel compelled by fly to placesMay 09 00:00
DaemonFCI don'tMay 09 00:00
schestowitzThe oil industry likes itMay 09 00:00
DaemonFCFly to EuropeMay 09 00:00
DaemonFCGet ripped off at every stopMay 09 00:00
schestowitzPushing the fantasy... the further you fly, the more people will envy youMay 09 00:00
DaemonFCThen get mugged tooMay 09 00:00
schestowitz"Air miles"May 09 00:00
DaemonFCCreepy foreigners that point and stare and insult you in alanguage you don't understandMay 09 00:01
schestowitz"Air miles"=how much of your life was wasted being glued to a chair without access to a fridge/phoneMay 09 00:01
DaemonFCcome home and tell everyone how much you liked it thereMay 09 00:01
schestowitz"Look, honey, I got tan:"May 09 00:02
DaemonFCFrance is lucky they get so much tourismMay 09 00:02
schestowitzThat's what Brits bring home from vacations usually"May 09 00:02
DaemonFCthey don't actually have much economy outside thatMay 09 00:02
schestowitzSome bring gistsMay 09 00:02
schestowitz*giftsMay 09 00:02
schestowitzEuropeans bring chocolatesMay 09 00:02
schestowitzThe continental, I meanMay 09 00:02
DaemonFCEuropean chocolate, no thanksMay 09 00:02
DaemonFCtastes like shitMay 09 00:02
schestowitzGreece lost tourismMay 09 00:03
DaemonFCthe only chocolate I've had that's worse is RussianMay 09 00:03
schestowitzThe deaths in protests won't helpMay 09 00:03
schestowitzThey 'took over' some archaeological sites tooMay 09 00:03
DaemonFCnow, those rasperry or orange chocolate eggs you guys have aren't badMay 09 00:03
schestowitzRedChocolate(TM), the national brandMay 09 00:04
DaemonFCthe ones you whack and openMay 09 00:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: I don't eat chocolateMay 09 00:04
DaemonFCor whatever those were, been a few yearsMay 09 00:04
schestowitzUnless it's handed to meMay 09 00:04
DaemonFCfrozen chocolate cherries are still my favoriteMay 09 00:05
schestowitzSugar bombMay 09 00:05
DaemonFCabsolutelyMay 09 00:05
schestowitzObsession with chocolate is almost as bad as addiction to stinky cheeseMay 09 00:05
_goblinIm obsessed with chocolateMay 09 00:06
_goblinand proudMay 09 00:06
_goblinnot too keen on stinky cheese....May 09 00:06
schestowitzThat's the fat fetishMay 09 00:06
_goblinprobablyMay 09 00:06
schestowitzYou know the myth about different parts of the mouth for different tastes?May 09 00:06
schestowitzTurns out to be utter lie...May 09 00:06
_goblinah, I never heard it anyway...May 09 00:07
_goblinat the moment Im having a nice relationship with a Chocolate OrangeMay 09 00:07
DaemonFCmy bathroom smells like fried chickenMay 09 00:07
_goblinI wont ask.May 09 00:07
DaemonFCmust be what the neighbor is eatingMay 09 00:07
schestowitzToday I heard a 'cast about the myth about the brain being under-utilisedMay 09 00:07
_goblinI think I have many examples of that from users who comment on my blogMay 09 00:08
schestowitz"The 10% Brain Myth " http://theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2May 09 00:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Podcast Archive - The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe .::. Size~: 202.6 KBMay 09 00:08
DaemonFCyou mean the "We only use 10% of our brains" thing?May 09 00:08
_goblinRichard springs to mind...his brain certainly seems under utilised....judging by his comments.May 09 00:08
schestowitzMaybe it holds waterMay 09 00:09
DaemonFCtypical of "professionals" who have no idea what that part of the brain is used forMay 09 00:09
schestowitzBut it's interesting the point about birth and head sizeMay 09 00:09
DaemonFCIt's just unused, there for shits and gigglesMay 09 00:09
schestowitzWe can't grow our brain too muchMay 09 00:09
schestowitzAs that would make delivery harderMay 09 00:09
DaemonFCschestowitz: Evidence says that as humanoids evolved, our brains have gotten smalled each timeMay 09 00:10
schestowitzThus higher risk of child mortality or patent's death, so DNA won't propagate after birthMay 09 00:10
DaemonFCsuggesting that they are becoming more efficient for the sizeMay 09 00:10
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DaemonFC*smallerMay 09 00:10
schestowitzDaemonFC: we're 45mm now :-)May 09 00:10
DaemonFCI don't know that there will be a next major evolution of humansMay 09 00:11
DaemonFCat least not a natural oneMay 09 00:11
DaemonFCwe'll engineer ourselvesMay 09 00:11
schestowitzWTH? http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/Kramer_6.8_3.jpgMay 09 00:11
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DaemonFCschestowitz: THe future will be much like GattacaMay 09 00:12
DaemonFCthat's my opinionMay 09 00:12
DaemonFChumans tailored towards their parents specifications, natural born humans being second class citizens...May 09 00:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Not at Reptile. Ill. @arkadyrose is too. Freda is of course full of energy. Killlll meeeeeeee.May 09 00:13
schestowitzhttp://tycheent.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/notice-of-resignation/May 09 00:13
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schestowitzender2070: http://blog.binarylooks.com/2010/05/plasma-media-center-status-report-and-introduction/May 09 00:23
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schestowitzhttp://gizmodo.com/5530625/nvidias-fermi-graphics-card-roadmap-when-you-can-melt-your-eyeballs-for-cheaperMay 09 00:33
TechrightsBotTitle: Nvidia's Fermi Graphics Card Roadmap: When You Can Melt Your Eyeballs for Cheaper - Nvidia - Gizmodo .::. Size~: 73.1 KBMay 09 00:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rejon: Facebook Joins Microsoft’s War on ODF http://ping.fm/ADdt7May 09 00:40
TechrightsBotTitle: Facebook Joins Microsoft’s War on ODF | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 31.33 KBMay 09 00:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rejon: Why build on StatusNet http://ping.fm/MJ9A7May 09 00:41
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schestowitzhttp://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/04/29/the-end-of-microsoft-a-door-opens-to-a-new-cloud/May 09 00:44
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schestowitzOuchMay 09 00:44
schestowitzhttp://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-games-dont-get-ported-to-linuxa.htmlMay 09 00:47
TechrightsBotTitle: The Blog of Helios: Why Games don't get ported to Linux...A game dev speaks. .::. Size~: 103.54 KBMay 09 00:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Iron Man 2 wasn't that great but I loved the Black Widow and the Thor and Captain America teasers !May 09 00:47
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schestowitzGoogle fanboy: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-can-i-do-to-get-interview-at.htmlMay 09 01:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] David Hammerstein's (former MEP) Web site appears to have just been cracked. see for example http://ur1.ca/zqluMay 09 01:07
TechrightsBotTitle: TACD event in European Parliament ·  TACD IP Policy Committee .::. Size~: 68.61 KBMay 09 01:07
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DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/06/michigan-school-blacks-class-trip-principal-investigated/May 09 01:14
TechrightsBotTitle:  FOXNews.com - Michigan Elementary School Principal Investigated for Blacks-Only Class Trip .::. Size~: 71.04 KBMay 09 01:14
DaemonFChehMay 09 01:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows zombies are hammering on the server, again making it unavailable for real visitors #botnets #malwareMay 09 01:16
schestowitzGoogle fanboy: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-can-i-do-to-get-interview-at.html "I'd say Linux is a great alternative to paying for a Windows upgrade on an older computer. On a new one, not so much. "May 09 01:18
TechrightsBotTitle: What Can I Do To Get An Interview At Google ? | All about Linux .::. Size~: 62.69 KBMay 09 01:18
schestowitztessier: pingMay 09 01:25
_goblindon't you mean "Bing" ;)May 09 01:26
schestowitzhttp://www.stanforddaily.com/2010/05/04/man-struck-by-caltrain-in-fifth-death-this-year/May 09 01:27
TechrightsBotTitle:  Man struck by Caltrain in fifth death this year  | Stanford Daily .::. Size~: 46.29 KBMay 09 01:27
DaemonFCI may go hack the top off one of the trees in my yardMay 09 01:32
DaemonFCse if that stops the bit of ghosting I see when the wind is blowingMay 09 01:32
DaemonFC:PMay 09 01:32
schestowitzIt's a btMay 09 01:33
schestowitz*botMay 09 01:33
schestowitz"(Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008052906 Firefox/3.0/1.0 (bot; http://)""May 09 01:33
schestowitzPiece of junkMay 09 01:33
schestowitztessier: are you around?May 09 01:34
tessierYesMay 09 01:37
tessierWhat's up?May 09 01:37
schestowitztessier: there's some bot on the logsMay 09 01:45
schestowitzI can't block it by IPMay 09 01:45
schestowitzUnless there are some tricksMay 09 01:45
schestowitzIt seems to have gone by now (minutes ago), maybe you drove it awayMay 09 01:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "To save baby rhino Bunty having an identity crisis, Hamilton DJ Mark Bunting is backing the name Ubuntu." http://ur1.ca/zqriMay 09 01:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Bunty backs his mate Ubuntu | Stuff.co.nz .::. Size~: 41.19 KBMay 09 01:47
DaemonFCI got some RCA to 3.5mm cablesMay 09 01:50
DaemonFChooked up my TV to my really expensive PC speakers *grin*May 09 01:50
DaemonFCwhat's weird is that Walmart doesn't carry those cablesMay 09 01:52
DaemonFC:PMay 09 01:52
schestowitzhttp://www.neowin.net/profile/benjamin_rubenstein "He currently holds a few Microsoft Certifications"May 09 01:53
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schestowitzBy Benjamin Rubenstein http://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-1004-bug-causing-firefox-crashesMay 09 01:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Neowin.net - Ubuntu 10.04 bug causing Firefox crashes .::. Size~: 30.15 KBMay 09 01:53
schestowitzAs you'd expecMay 09 01:53
schestowitz_goblin: check out newWINMay 09 01:53
schestowitz*neoWINMay 09 01:53
schestowitz"Unbiased" reporting, as expectedMay 09 01:53
DaemonFClike Paul Thurrot?May 09 01:54
DaemonFChe's about asfair and balanced as Bill O'ReillyMay 09 01:54
_goblinIts not surprise then that Andre Da Costa is tweeting about "claimed" issued with Ubuntu.May 09 01:54
schestowitzDaemonFC: "we report the news, you decide"May 09 01:54
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/extreme-fear/201005/top-10-secrets-effective-liarsMay 09 01:54
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DaemonFCwe distort, you think you decideMay 09 01:54
DaemonFCfairly unbalancedMay 09 01:54
DaemonFC:)May 09 01:54
schestowitz_goblin: they try it just to break itMay 09 01:55
schestowitzBut they make it seem like they try it because they are unbiasedMay 09 01:55
_goblinAndre hasn't said what his problem is.....just that he's using terminal at the moment to sort it out.May 09 01:56
_goblinof course it was obvious Andre would have issues with anything other than Microsoft products....May 09 01:56
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-random-musings-10006480/removing-mono-from-ubuntu-1004-10015668/ *LOL* "It's best to keep it installed. Mono is an excellent runtime client; especially when compared to that Java mess. If only Open Office was built on Mono instead of Java."May 09 01:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Removing Mono from Ubuntu 10.04 | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 36.92 KBMay 09 01:56
_goblinthats a thought....May 09 01:57
Diablo-D3schestowitz: ermMay 09 01:57
_goblinOO built on Mono.....May 09 01:57
tessierSome bot on the logs? I don't understand what you mean.May 09 01:57
DaemonFCschestowitz: DirecTV goes Fox News, Fox Business, Jesus channels, Hardcore porn in that orderMay 09 01:57
Diablo-D3I... I..... I don't even know where to go with thatMay 09 01:57
DaemonFClmaoMay 09 01:57
Diablo-D3its justMay 09 01:57
DaemonFC:DMay 09 01:57
Diablo-D3its just mind blowingMay 09 01:57
Diablo-D3how the hell do you even _arrive_ thereMay 09 01:57
Diablo-D3its justMay 09 01:57
Diablo-D3wowMay 09 01:57
schestowitzby "chessnuts "May 09 01:57
DaemonFCis that order a coincidence?May 09 01:57
schestowitzchestnuts?May 09 01:57
Diablo-D3very rarely does something that fucking ignorant can make me stand in aweMay 09 01:58
Diablo-D3a java troll and a OOo troll in the same lineMay 09 01:58
schestowitzFidelinux : "chessnuts "May 09 01:58
Diablo-D3while wrapped in a pro-mono trollMay 09 01:58
schestowitz"May 09 01:58
schestowitzWould you like sharing with us what is the alternative you like better than F-Spot?May 09 01:58
schestowitzThanksMay 09 01:58
schestowitz"May 09 01:58
Diablo-D3how the fuck do you even use f-spotMay 09 01:58
Diablo-D3I tried using it once, and it kept trying to make me add an "album"May 09 01:58
Diablo-D3I just want to fucking view imagesMay 09 01:58
schestowitzuse gwenview thenMay 09 01:59
Diablo-D3no, geeqieMay 09 01:59
schestowitzwhat's dat?May 09 01:59
MinceRa fork of gqviewMay 09 01:59
MinceRiircMay 09 01:59
Diablo-D3remember kde3's gwenview?May 09 01:59
Diablo-D3MinceR: not quite a forkMay 09 01:59
Diablo-D3the original author abandoned gqviewMay 09 01:59
schestowitzso that's where he views his anime..May 09 01:59
Diablo-D3schestowitz: remember how kde3's gwenview was so much better than kde4's?May 09 02:00
Diablo-D3thats what geeqie is, but in gtk insteadMay 09 02:00
MinceRdoes geeqie play animated gifs already?May 09 02:01
Diablo-D3noMay 09 02:01
Diablo-D3btwMay 09 02:01
Diablo-D3as much as I hate kdeMay 09 02:01
MinceRi still open those in gwenview :/May 09 02:01
Diablo-D3as much as I really fucking hate kdeMay 09 02:01
Diablo-D3I may end up just switching to it.May 09 02:01
MinceRlol, pwntMay 09 02:01
Diablo-D3I'm just tired of ... just...May 09 02:02
Diablo-D3I don't knowMay 09 02:02
Diablo-D3I mean, I use xfceMay 09 02:02
schestowitzKDE 4.4 does nice GUI renderingMay 09 02:03
Diablo-D3debian's kde4 settings suck badly, btwMay 09 02:03
Diablo-D3I think thats partly why I hated itMay 09 02:03
schestowitzgradients in metallic colours everywhereMay 09 02:03
Diablo-D3I tried fedora 12 kde and its actually quite niceMay 09 02:03
Diablo-D3so I should just copy their settings and be done with itMay 09 02:03
schestowitz4.3 had mostly uniform grayMay 09 02:03
schestowitzhttp://www.neowin.net/profile/julio_francoMay 09 02:05
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schestowitzhttp://www.thedailytechnews.com/spirit-jailbreak-for-ipad-iphone-and-ipod-touch-to-jb-or-not-to-jb-0281.htmlMay 09 02:06
schestowitz"When you jailbreaked your iDevices you can do lots of things like in Ubuntu just click the thing you want and it will arrive."May 09 02:06
TechrightsBotTitle:    Spirit  Jailbreak for Ipad , Iphone and Ipod Touch : To JB or not to JB    : The Daily Tech News .::. Size~: 19.75 KBMay 09 02:06
MinceRgnMay 09 02:13
DaemonFCshouldn't need to jailbreak anythingMay 09 02:19
DaemonFCjailbreaking something means it was already brokenMay 09 02:19
MinceRit also means you lose the warrantyMay 09 02:23
MinceRand that it might be bricked by the next software updateMay 09 02:24
DaemonFCthey go out of the way to brick modded devicesMay 09 02:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @migueldeicaza: Impressed by the depth and volume of work in the sampled chicken noises industry.May 09 02:50
DaemonFCschestowitz: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349May 09 02:50
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DaemonFC:)May 09 02:50
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Diablo-D3http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/inside_the_mind_of_the_enemy_the_business_analystMay 09 04:15
TechrightsBotTitle: Inside the mind of the enemy: the business analyst  .::. Size~: 48.47 KBMay 09 04:15
Diablo-D3wowMay 09 04:15
Diablo-D3I forgot I wrote thisMay 09 04:15
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] How to behave at a software company : #interesting http://ask.slashdot.org/story/10/05/09/021237/How-To-Behave-At-a-Software-CompanyMay 09 04:52
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ender2070how come nobody takes about digikamMay 09 05:35
ender2070LOLMay 09 05:35
ender2070waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than fspotMay 09 05:36
tessierBill Gates is on Fox Business with Warren Buffet right nowMay 09 05:38
ender2070http://www.the-source.com/2010/04/my-theory-what-you-dont-say-says-a-lot/#comment-781May 09 05:55
TechrightsBotTitle: My Theory: What you dont say says a lot « The-Source.com .::. Size~: 47.21 KBMay 09 05:55
ender2070hopefully i linked directly to the comment properlyMay 09 05:55
ender2070looks like someone is FUDing techrights alreadyMay 09 05:55
ender2070"I realized this after reading your blog entry, which is well written and doesn’t sound like an open source jighad. Before this every time i red techrights.org, it sounded to me just like someone really upset with open-source wrote crazy stuff. Now i can see the real danger of all this."May 09 05:56
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2010-05-06-editorial06_ST_N.htmMay 09 07:42
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schestowitzender2070: yeah, Miguel's supportersMay 09 07:50
schestowitztessier: : Buffet became very unpopular last week when he stubbornly defended corrupt bankers because it's good for his hedge fundMay 09 07:52
tessierI agree with him. A lot of the people criticizing him don't understand the idea behind buying insurance.May 09 07:54
tessierJust because I have life insurance for my wife doesn't mean I want her to die or that I am betting for it.May 09 07:54
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schestowitztessier: this seems to be about a different topicMay 09 08:05
schestowitzI wouldn't argue against insuranceMay 09 08:05
tessierBut that is what hedging is.May 09 08:06
schestowitzFrankly, I know too little about his professional life, but all I'm saying is that many blogs said nasty things about him after he defended Goldman Sachs (amid the fraud lawsuit)May 09 08:06
tessierThe real problem here is that there were no laws against buying CDO's and insuring against them by investing in hedges.May 09 08:06
tessierI know. And I suspect those blogs don't really understand what they were really doing.May 09 08:07
schestowitzThe real problematic rich people are folks like SlimMay 09 08:07
schestowitztessier: this one I found minutes ago: http://greatschoolsforamerica.org/wordpress/?p=97May 09 08:08
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schestowitzThere's a new book on the subjectMay 09 08:08
schestowitzRavicher criticises Gates for taking over the systemMay 09 08:08
schestowitzhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011818874_profiling09m.html "A former corporate vice president at Microsoft and now a chief technology officer at a Bellevue software company, Khaki said he was harassed and stopped every time he returned to the U.S. between 2007 and 2009."May 09 08:13
TechrightsBotTitle: Local News | Racial-profiling allegations shared in Burlington to raise awareness of issue | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 58.17 KBMay 09 08:13
schestowitztessier: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R4BF20100428May 09 08:32
TechrightsBotTitle: Factbox: Warren Buffett at a glance| Reuters .::. Size~: 45.12 KBMay 09 08:32
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schestowitzhttp://www.omaha.com/article/20100501/MONEY/705019973May 09 08:53
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schestowitztessier: this must be the interview you watched: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Bill-Gates-Suggests-Microsoft-Tablet-Projects-in-Works-647891/May 09 09:13
TechrightsBotTitle: Bill Gates Says Microsoft Tablet Projects Are in the Works - Mobile and Wireless from eWeek .::. Size~: 119.27 KBMay 09 09:13
schestowitzhttp://www.themarknews.com/articles/1449-warren-buffett-private-profit-and-social-goodMay 09 09:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Warren Buffett, Profit, and Social Good - Blake Bromley — THE MARK .::. Size~: 26.39 KBMay 09 09:25
schestowitz"Nowhere was that more evident than at this weekend’s Berkshire Hathaway annual general meeting, otherwise known as the “Woodstock for Capitalists.”"May 09 09:25
schestowitz"Chips" knows his business betterMay 09 09:25
schestowitzWhy does this say "correct" rather than "correction"? http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-29/microsoft-says-google-s-android-may-infringe-patents-correct-.htmlMay 09 09:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Says Google’s Android May Infringe Patents (Correct) - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 48.8 KBMay 09 09:41
schestowitzMaureen O'Gara celebrates http://dotnet.sys-con.com/node/1379231May 09 09:42
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft FAT Patent Upheld | .NET Developer's Journal .::. Size~: 121.52 KBMay 09 09:42
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R11V20100428May 09 09:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Taiwan's HTC sees Windows 7 phone end of this year| Reuters .::. Size~: 44.28 KBMay 09 09:43
schestowitzAround the same time as the dealMay 09 09:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Arunuik: http://tinyurl.com/couo5w so #fb blocks msgs, & reads mails, nt new. frinds accnt got banned 4 sending "blocked content" #drmMay 09 09:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Facebooks E-mail Censorship is Legally Dubious, Experts Say | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 102.42 KBMay 09 09:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] 2nd time on Ubuntu, text became garbled system wide out of the blue, again reboot solved the problem, never had this trouble before LucidMay 09 09:56
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cubezzzI still like KDE 3.4.2 better than anything elseMay 09 10:00
cubezzzruns good on old hardwareMay 09 10:00
cubezzzit just does the jobMay 09 10:01
amarsh04I found an interesting bug with kdm 3.5.9/10 - it was un-mounting /boot on logoutMay 09 10:01
amarsh04not any other filesystems thoughMay 09 10:03
cubezzzI'm pretty sure that doesn't happen on mineMay 09 10:04
amarsh04you have a separate /boot partition, cubezzz?May 09 10:04
cubezzzah, no :)May 09 10:05
cubezzzI don'tMay 09 10:05
cubezzzI'd like to find the 3.4.2 source thoughMay 09 10:09
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Typical Sunday: Went to Church, Blurp! Had a Good lunch , Zipped some pepsi , Now it is time for siesta :)May 09 10:17
amarsh04just a moment, debian may have it archivedMay 09 10:20
amarsh04try http://snapshot.debian.org/May 09 10:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] If we do not get PR for the next general election, all these negotiations will not matter a bit in the long run #dontdoitnickMay 09 10:31
cubezzzeverybody has 3.5.10May 09 10:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've just started a page on Microsoft and counterfeiting http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_counterfeitingMay 09 10:37
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MinceRgeekingsMay 09 10:39
cubezzzno one has older kde source?May 09 10:41
cubezzzmaybe I have it somewhereMay 09 10:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Fascinating application of an an intuitively ludicrous phenomenon http://is.gd/c15GrMay 09 10:57
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cubezzzdoes anyone keep old linux source?May 09 11:03
cubezzze.g. fc1 all the source on one DVD?May 09 11:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] There is little evidence software patents are stimulating any kind of innovation whatsoever: http://ur1.ca/zt2yMay 09 11:03
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cubezzzor would it be bigger than just one disc?May 09 11:03
oiaohmfc1 is 1 disc.  But I cleared out my collection.  cubezzzMay 09 11:09
oiaohmIe the source is 1 disk cubezzzMay 09 11:09
schestowitzhttp://news.alibaba.com/article/detail/technology/100284706-1-us-stocks-wall-st-buoyed-home.htmlMay 09 11:11
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schestowitzzoobab: http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/29/microsoft-to-get-20-to-40-from-every-htc-android-phone-sold/May 09 11:13
TechrightsBotTitle:   Microsoft to get $20 to $40 from every HTC Android phone sold? » Unwired View .::. Size~: 24.29 KBMay 09 11:14
cubezzzwell at least I have the yarrow srpmsMay 09 11:19
cubezzzlooks like about 1.5 gigsMay 09 11:20
cubezzzI'll stick yggdrasil on there while I'm at itMay 09 11:22
oiaohmIf its 20 to 40 is more than what MS would get for CE on the phone schestowitzMay 09 11:33
zoobabMPEGLA should ask for a royalty on each Ubuntu downloadMay 09 11:34
zoobabat some point maximising the harm is the only way to goMay 09 11:34
oiaohmI want to see Nokia and Intel to go talk to MPEGLA Very bluntly.May 09 11:36
oiaohmIe Licence open source or don't exist kind of talk.May 09 11:36
cubezzzputting "Basic Linux" on my 486May 09 11:44
cubezzzlinux 2.2 kernel :)May 09 11:45
cubezzzthis is really just an experimentMay 09 11:46
schestowitzzoobab: Nokia is still Microsoft's buddyMay 09 11:46
schestowitzhttp://ub-news.com/news/microsoft-introduced-communicator-mobile-for-nokia-devices/11533.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10098930.stmMay 09 11:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] If a user downloads Ubuntu and installs it themselves, then no MPEG-LA license is included: http://ur1.ca/ztajMay 09 11:54
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cubezzzanyone remember how to format a 1.44 dos disk? :)May 09 11:55
cubezzzah, it's just mformat a:May 09 11:56
cubezzzit's been a while :)May 09 11:56
cubezzztime to finally get rid of win95 on this clunkerMay 09 11:57
cubezzzassuming the floppy drive still worksMay 09 11:58
oiaohmNotice schestowitz Symbian only.   Its still war of war.May 09 12:05
schestowitzI see...May 09 12:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] "Patent Law for Computer Scientists", a book written by EPO examiners Closa, Gardiner, Giesma and Machek http://ur1.ca/ztflMay 09 12:25
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schestowitzhttp://www.rbr.com/media-news/advertising/23859.htmlMay 09 12:29
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schestowitzGood for those who speak to dumb people who click adsMay 09 12:29
schestowitzzoobab: computer science is also hardwareMay 09 12:29
schestowitzSee if the book covers software......?May 09 12:30
schestowitz"Using the EPO-style interpretation of the word 'for', it seems to be also very suitable for European patent attorneys with an interest in the field of computer-implemented inventions, and particularly well suited for US attorneys who might like to think beyond the requirements of the US system when preparing their applications for being filed internationally."May 09 12:30
schestowitzhttp://247wallst.com/2010/04/27/will-rims-new-operating-system-save-it-market-share/May 09 12:34
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oiaohmDo you remember the lesson of RTFMay 09 12:37
cubezzzok this is weirdMay 09 12:38
cubezzzthe 486 is formatting some disks much faster than othersMay 09 12:38
cubezzzthese other disks must be all bad :-/May 09 12:39
cubezzzits like they are really DD disks instead of HDMay 09 12:39
oiaohmIs the light lock blocked?May 09 12:39
cubezzznopeMay 09 12:40
oiaohmAlso make sure you are formating as 144 on all.May 09 12:41
cubezzzwell the drive could be dirtyMay 09 12:41
oiaohmI have had drives with suspect led as well.May 09 12:41
oiaohmIe sometimes on sometime off.May 09 12:41
oiaohmMeaning disk gets randomally treated as either 1.44 or 720May 09 12:41
cubezzzwell I'm doing dd if=disk1.img of=/dev/fd0May 09 12:42
oiaohmhttp://durian.blender.org/news/f12s/#commentsMay 09 12:45
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cubezzzI can't believe all my disks are badMay 09 12:46
amarsh04floppy drives die easily alsoMay 09 12:48
oiaohmHow old are they.May 09 12:48
cubezzzwin2000 era I thinkMay 09 12:49
cubezzzso 10 years oldMay 09 12:49
oiaohmOk stuffedMay 09 12:49
oiaohmThe surface material fails at about 7 years old on most brands.  cubezzzMay 09 12:50
cubezzzah May 09 12:50
cubezzzthat would explain itMay 09 12:50
cubezzzodd, I have some VHS tapes that are much older and they still workMay 09 12:51
oiaohmDifferent matterial.May 09 12:51
cubezzzeven some reel-to-reel stuff from the 60'sMay 09 12:51
cubezzzeven CDR's last longer than 7 yearsMay 09 12:51
oiaohmSome brands last longer as well.May 09 12:51
oiaohmCDR not exposed to light and stored right should be fine for about 50 to 100 years.May 09 12:52
oiaohmLot of the materials used in floppys contain everything to destroy self.May 09 12:52
oiaohmProblem is the cleaning pad inside the disk when the surface becomes solventless basically fragments the surface off.  cubezzzMay 09 12:53
cubezzzok so old amiga disks are probably toast too thenMay 09 12:54
oiaohmNow depends on the material of amiga disks.May 09 12:54
cubezzzthey were DD thoughMay 09 12:54
oiaohmLot of DD were proper.May 09 12:55
cubezzzwell now i either give up or get the cdrom workingMay 09 12:55
oiaohmHD were done to make volume.May 09 12:55
oiaohmWhy are you needing a floppy.May 09 12:56
cubezzzwell I was trying to put linux on this 486 May 09 12:57
cubezzzall I need is just one of these disks to workMay 09 12:58
oiaohmGot either a boot from lan network card or a spare harddrive that works in the 486 to put smart boot manager or equal on.May 09 12:59
oiaohmYes I have a boot from lan network card laying around for messing with those things.  cubezzzMay 09 12:59
cubezzzthis computer has the oldest working hard drive I've ever seenMay 09 13:00
cubezzzit's got to be at least 17 years oldMay 09 13:01
oiaohmOk that is no where near the oldest I have ever seen and still works.May 09 13:02
cubezzzoh? :)May 09 13:02
oiaohmClue 1 is only 20 megs.May 09 13:02
oiaohmClue 2 is blueMay 09 13:02
oiaohmClue 3 its hugeMay 09 13:03
cubezzzummmMay 09 13:03
cubezzzlet's say 28 years?May 09 13:03
cubezzzmaybe not quite that oldMay 09 13:03
oiaohmAnd I do mean huge it is about 35 cm accross.May 09 13:03
cubezzz25 years?May 09 13:03
oiaohmAnd it has 4 platters that size.May 09 13:03
cubezzzok, maybe it's not PC :)May 09 13:04
oiaohmYep 2.5 megs a side.May 09 13:04
oiaohmIt is connectable to a PC these days.May 09 13:04
oiaohmAnd is used to run PC Dos for fun.May 09 13:04
cubezzzthe oldest drives I can remember are winchester 5 meg drivesMay 09 13:04
cubezzzRadio Shack sold themMay 09 13:04
oiaohmThe one I am refering to dates from world war IIMay 09 13:05
cubezzzoh wowMay 09 13:05
cubezzzthat's way before my timeMay 09 13:05
oiaohmIt has had a 3 replacement moters in that time.May 09 13:05
oiaohmBut is on the same set of heads.May 09 13:05
cubezzzwait a sec thoughMay 09 13:05
cubezzzwikipedia said that hard drives were invented in the 1950'sMay 09 13:06
oiaohmHmmMay 09 13:06
oiaohmSchool I was at had a lot of really old hardware.May 09 13:07
oiaohmIts a ibm harddrive basically really old by the 1970 they had 200 meg version.    So somewhere in the 1950 to 1960~May 09 13:09
oiaohmI was thinking for the output display our school had from a old crypt breaker that was world war 2.May 09 13:10
cubezzz invented December 14, 1954[May 09 13:10
cubezzzIBM team led by Rey JohnsonMay 09 13:11
cubezzzhow was it connected to the PC?May 09 13:11
oiaohmIBM conversion card for data recovery to ISAMay 09 13:12
oiaohmBy the way the system it is hooked to is a IBM XT computer.May 09 13:12
cubezzzI'm trying another 3.5" microfloppy driveMay 09 13:13
cubezzzyeah I remember thoseMay 09 13:13
oiaohmThe distance the head flys above drive in that old one is funny.May 09 13:14
oiaohmYou can almost pass a standard pen between drive plater and head.May 09 13:14
cubezzzah, newer dd tells me more about errorsMay 09 13:15
cubezzzI can't believe it, every single disk was bad in some wayMay 09 13:16
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Frodohey guysMay 09 13:16
Frodohave you seen this?May 09 13:16
Frodohttp://mhr3.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-about-c-applets-in-awn.htmlMay 09 13:17
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FrodoMONO guys still spreading their poison in GNOMEMay 09 13:17
Frodoguess you guys aren't awake yetMay 09 13:18
*MinceR doesn't use gnome and recommends kde insteadMay 09 13:19
cubezzzwhat are you talking about? I've been up since 3 amMay 09 13:19
Frodooh, hehMay 09 13:19
Frodosorry, it seemed so quiet in hereMay 09 13:20
MinceR:)May 09 13:20
cubezzzwow, I might finally have a working disk hereMay 09 13:20
oiaohmMono poison in gnome kinda not supprising any more FrodoMay 09 13:20
FrodoI prefer GNOME over KDEMay 09 13:20
cubezzzw00t!May 09 13:20
cubezzzoiaohm, one of the disks worked :)May 09 13:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Roughly a third of all applications (and granted patents) relate, in one way or another, to a computer or software: http://ur1.ca/ztnuMay 09 13:20
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oiaohmWhat brand cubezzz?May 09 13:20
cubezzzno idea :)May 09 13:21
Frodowhat distro do you guys use?May 09 13:21
cubezzzdude I use the best distro everMay 09 13:21
MinceRkubuntu, but planning to switch to fedoraMay 09 13:21
cubezzzright now I'm using basic linux :)May 09 13:22
oiaohmI could be warped and say mind asking a simpler question.  Currently the system I am on has a debian core made up of stable testing and sid debain.  With Ubuntu gentoo fedora quite a other forms in chroots.  May 09 13:23
cubezzzok, really I use FC1May 09 13:23
cubezzzand I'm probably the only one who doesMay 09 13:23
oiaohmBasically my system is kinda a beast.  FrodoMay 09 13:23
Frodooiaohm :)May 09 13:24
cubezzzoiaohm using World War II technologyMay 09 13:24
cubezzzit's the most reliableMay 09 13:24
oiaohmIf you don't mind the power bill yes.  cubezzzMay 09 13:24
Frodoanyone else here a student?May 09 13:25
cubezzznot since several decades FrodoMay 09 13:25
oiaohmDepends of what.May 09 13:26
oiaohmI currently have to do some exams again.May 09 13:26
oiaohmTo keep certifications.May 09 13:26
Frodocubezzz ah, what do you do now?May 09 13:26
Frodowhich certifications, oiaohm?May 09 13:26
cubezzzI'm a computer consultant mainlyMay 09 13:26
Frodoah coolMay 09 13:27
oiaohmWorking in school and uni systems.May 09 13:27
oiaohmAnd I have to redo my cablers and my trainer quals as well.May 09 13:27
FrodoicMay 09 13:28
oiaohmI am the BOFH in those networks FrodoMay 09 13:29
FrodohehMay 09 13:30
oiaohmSome students hate me.  For good reason.  Playing games when they should not.  I just walk up behind them let them change screen then have screen shot of what they were doing jam on screen.May 09 13:30
oiaohmWith suspend accout over the top.May 09 13:30
cubezzzhehMay 09 13:31
Frodonot allowed to play video games?May 09 13:31
oiaohmNot on systems intending for searching for books and the like.May 09 13:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] #poll: how long have you been using !linux? :) me 10.5 yearsMay 09 13:31
Frodoah, so this isn't a computer lab?May 09 13:32
oiaohmSome computer labs video game playing is forbin.May 09 13:32
FrodookMay 09 13:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] #poll: how long have you been using #linux? :) me 10.5 yearsMay 09 13:32
oiaohmThe one used for movie rendering particularly.May 09 13:32
oiaohmyes transpartent cluster.May 09 13:33
Frodomakes senseMay 09 13:33
MinceRwhen i played in the lab while it was forbidden, we could hide it pretty well :>May 09 13:33
MinceRi replaced the icon and the window caption in winquake.exe so it wouldn't be noticed on the taskbar when the game was minimized :>May 09 13:33
oiaohmNot against some of this stuff.May 09 13:34
Frodowouldn't you guys run linux on the movie rendering lab?May 09 13:34
MinceRi was at school when that happenedMay 09 13:34
MinceRi'm not sure if they're aware of gnu/linux nowMay 09 13:34
oiaohmDepends on the school FrodoMay 09 13:34
FrodoI meant your schoolMay 09 13:35
oiaohmI don't just look after 1 school FrodoMay 09 13:35
MinceRhttp://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l25h78F26Z1qztwn4o1_500.jpgMay 09 13:35
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FrodoohMay 09 13:35
Frodohow many?May 09 13:35
oiaohmCurrently 4.May 09 13:35
oiaohmThen I have business on top of that I take care of.May 09 13:36
Frodooh, what kind of business?May 09 13:36
oiaohmbusinessesMay 09 13:36
cubezzzwell, I got basic linux installedMay 09 13:36
Frodoyou seem to have a lot going on :)May 09 13:36
oiaohmMixture of stuff.May 09 13:36
cubezzzwow, it's smaller than DLSMay 09 13:36
oiaohmMost looks after itself FrodoMay 09 13:37
FrodoahMay 09 13:37
cubezzzoiaohm is making his own portable comupter in his spare time :)May 09 13:37
FrodowowMay 09 13:37
MinceRif you can call a computer with a 19" screen "portable", that is :>May 09 13:38
FrodohahaMay 09 13:38
MinceRi have enough trouble with my 17" thinkpad :>May 09 13:38
oiaohmI am looking at a transport case design.May 09 13:38
FrodoI have a 14" thinkpad I got when I was in high schoolMay 09 13:38
oiaohmBasically labtop that most of you young people don't know what it is.May 09 13:39
*MinceR is young and doesn't knowMay 09 13:39
Frodoit's almost dead thoMay 09 13:39
MinceRthough i have seen the transport caseMay 09 13:39
oiaohmThat make great test machines.May 09 13:40
oiaohmAnd lot stronger than a normal laptop.May 09 13:40
cubezzzinstalling old linux isn't too simpleMay 09 13:40
oiaohmlabtop computer precursors to laptops.May 09 13:41
oiaohmThe ones that need to be put on tables because they were too heavy for lap.  MinceRMay 09 13:41
Frodosorry for change of topic, but wondering why GNOME and Ubuntu for example don't listen to you guys about MONO and stuffMay 09 13:41
cubezzzno one listens to anyone :)May 09 13:41
FrodohehMay 09 13:41
Frodowell, *I* listen :)May 09 13:41
oiaohmUbuntu mainatiners listern to no one about anything.May 09 13:41
oiaohmI do support for people using winehq.May 09 13:42
cubezzzwhat I do it's revert to older versions than do not have the problemMay 09 13:42
MinceRFrodo: they might have a novellish agendaMay 09 13:42
MinceRthere were a lot of suspicious steps recentlyMay 09 13:42
oiaohmTry telling ubuntu maintainers not to back port parituclar patches because it will break stuff.May 09 13:42
Frodowhat do you mean novellish agenda?May 09 13:42
oiaohmIts like talking to a brick wall.  FrodoMay 09 13:42
Frodoyou mean like getting a patent deal with M$?May 09 13:42
MinceRsnuggling up to m$ and living off their moneyMay 09 13:42
MinceRand helping their schemesMay 09 13:42
oiaohmI just hope Meego takes off.May 09 13:43
oiaohmThen we can watch MS scream in pain.May 09 13:43
Frodoisn't meego based on suse?May 09 13:43
Frodosomeone told me it wasMay 09 13:43
oiaohmNop FrodoMay 09 13:43
FrodookMay 09 13:43
oiaohmMeego is based on nothing.May 09 13:43
oiaohmIts a new distribution.May 09 13:43
Frodooh I didn't knowMay 09 13:43
FrodocoolMay 09 13:44
oiaohmIts a merge of two distributions one by nokia one by intel.May 09 13:44
oiaohmNokia one used to be based on debian.May 09 13:44
oiaohmIntels used to be based on Fedora's.May 09 13:44
oiaohmNew one is a rebuild without either branch.  FrodoMay 09 13:45
FrodointerestingMay 09 13:45
Frodothanks for the infoMay 09 13:45
Frodowhen are they going to release meego?May 09 13:45
oiaohmmeego is targeting all marketsMay 09 13:45
oiaohmAnd board is part of the Linux foundation.May 09 13:45
oiaohmYes Linux Foundation is going to have its own distribution.May 09 13:46
FrodoawesomeMay 09 13:46
Frodothey have their own ui too right?May 09 13:46
Frodolike they don't use gnome or anythingMay 09 13:46
oiaohmUI QTMay 09 13:46
MinceRhave they moved fully to Qt already?May 09 13:46
Frodoheh, I bet that means no MONO :)May 09 13:46
MinceRor a mix of Qt and Hildonized GTK+ apps?May 09 13:46
oiaohmGTK is only for old applications.May 09 13:47
MinceRthen again, Moblin came with Clutter or something.May 09 13:47
MinceRicMay 09 13:47
oiaohmGTK is tagged as deprecated under meegoMay 09 13:47
Frododo you think meego will become more popular than ubuntu?May 09 13:48
oiaohmAlso both intel and nokia promise to protect anyone using meego with there full patent list.May 09 13:48
Frodowow niceMay 09 13:48
oiaohmBasically try to make a patent claim against meego be read for a MAD attack.May 09 13:48
Frodocan't wait till it is releasedMay 09 13:49
oiaohmMeego takes off the computer open source game against patents change.May 09 13:49
oiaohmAlso meego is also going to end up intergated in other distributions as well.May 09 13:49
oiaohmLinux world is changing fast.  FrodoMay 09 13:49
MinceRwhat qualifies as "using meego" for purposes of patent protection?May 09 13:49
Frodothanks for the info guysMay 09 13:50
oiaohmUsing any part the same as what as in meego and someone trys to patent attack it. qualifies MinceRMay 09 13:50
FrodoI gotta get going, meeting some friends for breakfastMay 09 13:50
Frodotake careMay 09 13:51
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MinceRoiaohm: so can all distros copy code from meego (that they likely already use, i.e. glibc) and gain this protection?May 09 13:52
oiaohmYep MinceRMay 09 13:53
oiaohmReason why the Nokia Intel protection deal is scary for patent holders.May 09 13:54
MinceRnice.May 09 13:54
MinceRi wonder when will all distros take advantage of this.May 09 13:54
MinceRtime to shut m$ and novell up.May 09 13:54
MinceRand crApple.May 09 13:55
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/fairuse-economy/?May 09 13:55
TechrightsBotTitle: Study: Fair Use Contributes Trillions to U.S. Economy | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 76.62 KBMay 09 13:55
oiaohmBasicaly its formed a single point of patent control for all of open source.May 09 13:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst 10 yearsMay 09 14:01
oiaohmhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/07/argument_switch_av_bypass/  Seen this schestowitzMay 09 14:02
TechrightsBotTitle: New attack bypasses virtually all AV protection • The Register .::. Size~: 34.71 KBMay 09 14:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Thieves are dumb. http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l25h78F26Z1qztwn4o1_500.jpgMay 09 14:02
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schestowitzI wrote abut itMay 09 14:02
schestowitzI thinkMay 09 14:02
schestowitzoiaohm: http://techrights.org/2010/05/08/win32-cannot-be-secured/May 09 14:03
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schestowitzI have over 20 posts stacked up to postMay 09 14:03
oiaohmIt the classic once a unfriendly program runs all bets are off.May 09 14:04
schestowitzWho's Frodo?May 09 14:05
schestowitzANyway, I missed that SWN/Mono attemptMay 09 14:05
oiaohmDon't know schestowitzMay 09 14:06
oiaohmReally the issue with Mono is one way wrappering.May 09 14:07
oiaohmAs well as patents.May 09 14:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz Not all thieves or other sorts of criminal are stupid, some are even pillars of national life.May 09 14:11
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cubezzzwell I did itMay 09 14:19
cubezzzI got linux on the 486May 09 14:19
schestowitzhttp://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/05/sony_plans_to_take_on_the_microsoft_surface_with_its_atractable.htmlMay 09 14:20
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schestowitzLinux based?May 09 14:20
schestowitzcan anyone find out?May 09 14:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera the Big Thieves manage to even portray themselves as national heroesMay 09 14:21
cubezzzwell it looks a bit like a modified HD TVMay 09 14:27
cubezzzand we know that Sony uses Linux on their HD TVsMay 09 14:27
schestowitzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Surface-AtracSys-atracTable,10337.htmlMay 09 14:28
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schestowitzThis tooMay 09 14:28
schestowitzcubezzz: but can we confirm?May 09 14:29
schestowitzBear in mind that Surface ripped off Linux-based predecessorsMay 09 14:29
schestowitzSeveral researchers had it running on LinuxMay 09 14:29
cubezzzprobably it's Linux, it would be easier for themMay 09 14:29
cubezzzI'm not 100% certain of courseMay 09 14:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Finishing off some UDS preparation ready for the big event which kicks off tomorrow! :-) #ubuntuMay 09 14:30
cubezzzAtracsys developed it, Sony bought itMay 09 14:31
cubezzza European companyMay 09 14:31
cubezzzlook at their job offers :)May 09 14:33
cubezzzkeep in mind that SOny doesn't trumpet it's Linux TVs, they are just called TVsMay 09 14:35
schestowitzYeah, I know...May 09 14:44
schestowitzBut either way, none of it is freeMay 09 14:44
schestowitzSony even axed Linux from PS3.... they just exploit LinuxMay 09 14:44
MinceRatracsys's job offers don't provide clues on the platformMay 09 14:48
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] You still on facebook? read this! http://alturl.com/b95mMay 09 14:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Laws for every occasion. Downing Street remains a public highway. Public access is instead denied by the use of common law.May 09 14:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking at some native Linux titles for a feature on Openbytes! Theres so much great stuff about! www.openbytes.wordpress.com #linux #fossMay 09 15:00
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cubezzzschestowitz, I bet we see TV hacks eventuallyMay 09 15:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | In The Public Interest | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/3xton2vMay 09 15:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Starting my journey to the #ubuntu developer summit in Belgium. Car, train, taxi, eurostar, train, walk.May 09 15:39
cubezzzare their laptops were you can change the video card?May 09 15:41
cubezzzI see these ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9700 on ebayMay 09 15:42
cubezzzmust be May 09 15:47
MinceRafaik they use standard pci-e -- but that's no guarantee for enough space for the new card (i don't know if that's standardized) nor for cooling (once again, i don't know about standardization and laptops tend to have built-in cooling systems)May 09 15:49
cubezzzlooks quite different to meMay 09 15:52
cubezzzlet me see the back of one then I'll know what's upMay 09 15:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] 38degrees are after donations partly to pay for proportional representation campaign in UK press, please retweet this. http://is.gd/c1l26May 09 15:53
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cubezzzhmmmMay 09 15:55
cubezzzMinceR, it looks like a pin-in-hole female connector on the card sideMay 09 15:55
MinceRicMay 09 15:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Gurry (WIPO): "software and the worldwide disagreement on whether software should be patentable": http://ur1.ca/zuluMay 09 15:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Exclusive Interview with Francis Gurry, WIPO Director General | IPWatchdog.com | Patents & Patent Law .::. Size~: 122.3 KBMay 09 15:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Gurry (WIPO): "software, IT area is where I personally do my work and with the length of time it takes to get a patent" http://ur1.ca/zuluMay 09 15:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Gury: EU swpats blocking global harmonisation "I don’t think internationally yet because you can’t get it in Europe" http://ur1.ca/zuluMay 09 16:00
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cubezzzit's called the "Advanced eXpress I/O Module"May 09 16:09
MinceRic. never heard of it... but i can see they've made that name up for the acronym. :>May 09 16:10
cubezzzyeah :)May 09 16:11
cubezzzmy panasonic toughbook has a Radeon Mobility 7500May 09 16:13
cubezzzmaybe I can find a picture of itMay 09 16:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] On the train with @alanbelltolc comparing new toys. :)May 09 16:19
amarsh04I haven't actually seen a toughbook, but our electricity utility uses themMay 09 16:19
cubezzzthey are pretty goodMay 09 16:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Szanowni Państwo! Przyszłość naszego regionu zależy od dobrego wyboru każdego z nas: http://www.bilski.pl/May 09 16:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Adam Bilski .::. Size~: 1 KBMay 09 16:23
oiaohmhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100506/0206589317.shtml  Define IP gone nuts this kinda does schestowitzMay 09 16:34
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Omar87Hi all.May 09 16:39
amarsh04hi Omar87May 09 16:39
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_goblinhello allMay 09 17:14
ender2070hiMay 09 17:14
_goblinanything interesting happening?May 09 17:15
_goblinI'm currently running data on android.  I never thought irc chat would work on a mobile phoneMay 09 17:18
_goblin*darairc not dataMay 09 17:18
ender2070oh thats pretty coolMay 09 17:21
_goblinDaraIRC is not a bad client either.....May 09 17:26
MinceRi have an ssh client on my phone :>May 09 17:26
_goblinits a shame HTC "Hadnt The Courage" when it came to refusing MicrosoftMay 09 17:29
_goblinI think the HTC hero is one of the best phones I've usedMay 09 17:29
ender2070i have an ssh client on my phone tooMay 09 17:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sitting at St Pancras enjoying beer, nachos and free wifi. What more could a man need!? #fbMay 09 17:43
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yuhonghttp://www.pagetable.com/?p=333May 09 17:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft vs. Standards «  pagetable.com .::. Size~: 26.39 KBMay 09 17:59
cubezzzthe more you think about it, the more you realize that proprietary outnumbers standardsMay 09 18:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: An article from @devangshudatta on UID and the lack of a legal framework around it. Worth reading: http://is.gd/c1r1rMay 09 18:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Devangshu Datta: Getting over an identity crisis  .::. Size~: 109.58 KBMay 09 18:03
cubezzzthink about laptops for exampleMay 09 18:03
cubezzzheck, motherboards in general May 09 18:08
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cubezzzI'm leaning towards getting a Gigabyte M57SLI-S4 (with Radeon 9700 for video)May 09 18:11
ender2070proprietary videoMay 09 18:11
cubezzzthe video driver is openMay 09 18:12
cubezzzdon't think it would cost much to put a system together around itMay 09 18:13
cubezzzor I could wait until one of the supported tyan's shows up on ebayMay 09 18:14
ender2070tyan amd boards?May 09 18:14
cubezzzor intelMay 09 18:15
cubezzzsomething with dual cpu would be niceMay 09 18:16
amarsh04or just dual-core?May 09 18:19
amarsh04or quad-core for that matter...May 09 18:19
cubezzzdual core sureMay 09 18:20
ender2070dont tell me ati is open because they let volunteers do all their workMay 09 18:24
schestowitzhttp://www.zive.cz/clanky/majitele-playstationu-se-bouri-neberte-nam-linux/sc-3-a-152157/default.aspx "Otázkou zůstává, jestli bude nějakým způsobem dostupné i pro koncové zákazníky. Podporovanými distribucemi jsou Fedora, Linpus, Red Flag, Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop11, Ubuntu a Xandros."May 09 18:28
TechrightsBotTitle: Majitelé PlayStationů se bouří: Neberte nám Linux - Živě.cz .::. Size~: 74.25 KBMay 09 18:28
cubezzzthe specs must be open at leastMay 09 18:28
schestowitzAll the news I can find re xandros in the past weeks (~13 days) is not in EnglishMay 09 18:28
schestowitzThey are doomed for LinuxMay 09 18:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] On this page I provide some of the content that has brought me to the conclusion that software patents are problematic: http://ur1.ca/zvd2May 09 18:28
ender2070xandros was always doomedMay 09 18:28
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schestowitz[15:19] <cubezzz> schestowitz, I bet we see TV hacks eventuallyMay 09 18:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin re "Looking at some native Linux titles for a feature on Openbytes!" How about Ryzom?May 09 18:29
schestowitzThat's why WIndows was avoided in Japan for TVSMay 09 18:29
schestowitz*TVs (malware and viruses)May 09 18:30
cubezzzthat would be funnyMay 09 18:30
cubezzzwell not really :)May 09 18:30
cubezzzyou really have to wonder about doze on ATM's thoughMay 09 18:31
cubezzzok, don't put Linux on 486SLCMay 09 18:32
cubezzzthe only thing good about it is low power consumptionMay 09 18:33
ender2070schestowitz - i loves chromiumMay 09 18:34
ender2070schestowitz - it asked me if i wanted to read that link in englishMay 09 18:34
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] In 9 days I'm going to report that Rand Paul won his Kentucky Senate seat, remember to donate to his cause http://ur1.ca/i0mxMay 09 18:37
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schestowitz[16:34] <oiaohm> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100506/0206589317.shtml  Define IP gone nuts this kinda does schestowitzMay 09 18:38
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schestowitzI know he's gone, but anyway, we covered this article beforeMay 09 18:38
schestowitz[17:29] <_goblin> its a shame HTC "Hadnt The Courage" when it came to refusing MicrosoftMay 09 18:39
schestowitz_goblin: Microsot tseems to have thratened to sue themMay 09 18:40
schestowitzhttp://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/29/microsoft-to-get-20-to-40-from-every-htc-android-phone-sold/May 09 18:40
TechrightsBotTitle:   Microsoft to get $20 to $40 from every HTC Android phone sold? » Unwired View .::. Size~: 24.29 KBMay 09 18:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Eurostar leaving London. @daviey got on with 2 mins to spare. No exaggeration! He looks hot, and not in a good way :)May 09 18:42
schestowitz[18:31] <cubezzz> you really have to wonder about doze on ATM's thoughMay 09 18:43
schestowitzThey get ownedMay 09 18:43
schestowitzSee http://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+atm&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GBMay 09 18:44
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schestowitz[18:34] <ender2070> schestowitz - it asked me if i wanted to read that link in englishMay 09 18:44
schestowitzGoogle toolbar in Firefox does the same nowMay 09 18:44
ender2070niceMay 09 18:44
schestowitzActually, it has this annoying thing now...May 09 18:44
ender2070except chrome IS the google toolbarMay 09 18:44
schestowitzIf you open a new tab...May 09 18:44
ender2070lolMay 09 18:44
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schestowitzThen it uses a Chrome-like recently-visited pages thumbnail layoutMay 09 18:45
schestowitzIt's annoying when you just want new tabs fastMay 09 18:45
schestowitzit's like Google takes over the Firefox Web browserMay 09 18:45
schestowitzChromifiying itMay 09 18:45
schestowitzAll via the Google toolbat extensionMay 09 18:45
schestowitz*barMay 09 18:45
ender2070LOLMay 09 18:45
schestowitzThe search bar phones Google as you type tooMay 09 18:45
ender2070i never use their toolbar in firefoxMay 09 18:46
schestowitzSo all the privacy violations of chrom[ium] pass to FFMay 09 18:46
ender2070the google tab is good enough for meMay 09 18:46
ender2070i dont know what people are worried aboutMay 09 18:47
ender2070anything you do unencrypted is readable by someone, somewhereMay 09 18:47
schestowitzHeh.May 09 18:48
schestowitzMy brother is giving a talk on FSMay 09 18:48
ender2070FS?May 09 18:48
schestowitzHe though Reiser is pronounced ray-serMay 09 18:48
schestowitzANd he didn't know about http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/04/reiser-guilty-o/May 09 18:48
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schestowitzender2070: yeah, EnvyFSMay 09 18:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Yay! @daviey brought us some #ubuntu CDs to look at on the train. The journey is sure to fly by now!May 09 18:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EPO examiners: "Roughly a third of all applications (and granted patents) relate, in one way or another, to computers" http://ur1.ca/zvipMay 09 18:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Gah! There is exactly one WiFi access point on this eurostar train. The essid os "daviey" :)May 09 19:04
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @rrh "#poll: how long have you been using #linux? :)" I've been using !Debian for over a decade.May 09 19:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ EPOexaminers 'Roughly a third of all applications and granted patents relate in one way or another to computers' http://ur1.ca/zvipMay 09 19:19
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Omar87schestowitz, we'll be inviting Jan Wildeboer to attend the upcoming Tech Tuesday in Amman.May 09 19:53
schestowitzII have news from JordanMay 09 19:54
schestowitzComing tomorrowMay 09 19:54
schestowitzsebsebseb: wbMay 09 19:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz It looks good but its only a 21 day free trial. Im looking more at the games where no payment is required.May 09 19:58
sebsebsebhi schestowitzMay 09 19:59
sebsebsebJordan ?May 09 19:59
schestowitzit was @ Omar87May 09 20:01
Omar87schestowitz, great. May 09 20:03
Omar87schestowitz, let's hope it's good news! :)May 09 20:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] #WTF - W3C India website use image to display hindi text. http://www.w3cindia.in/Images/leading.gif -> http://www.w3cindia.in #w3cMay 09 20:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Theres another user ive introduced to Linux....everyone give @sawyerish a pat on the back and offer him any help....all the best sawyerish..May 09 20:09
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schestowitzOmar87: it's notMay 09 20:10
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schestowitz_goblin: conn. issues?May 09 20:11
_goblinconn issues?May 09 20:12
_goblinIf you mean connection issues, no.....I was over at my parents and was using my HTC to keep in touch on IRC....Im back home now so Ive reverted back to the desktop.....the marvels of modern Linux!May 09 20:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Press here to start typing your message...May 09 20:15
_goblin"Press any key"May 09 20:16
_goblin"Wheres the ANY key?" - Homer J SimpsonMay 09 20:16
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schestowitzChina to rule the world...\? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svJpYz9E26w&feature=digestMay 09 20:17
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_goblin" China to rule the world" - I thought the USA alleged they did.May 09 20:19
schestowitzI've just realised that Eric Lai vanishedMay 09 20:19
schestowitzMicrosoft boosterMay 09 20:19
MinceRthe megacorps doMay 09 20:19
schestowitzWHose?May 09 20:20
schestowitzChina?May 09 20:20
schestowitzOr US?May 09 20:20
MinceRthey don't really belong to any country, do they?May 09 20:20
MinceRbut megacorps in both places extend their influence abroad (at least certainly those in the us)May 09 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Using Linear Algebra To Analyze "Liberal style" on #Wikipedia http://is.gd/c1AbC o_0 #wtfMay 09 20:20
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Jason^Homeguys, what to choose for a netbook, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook or http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php ?May 09 20:21
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_goblinJason^Home, I'd go with MintMay 09 20:22
_goblinif its between Mint/UbuntuMay 09 20:22
Jason^HomeWhat's main difference between them? I've heard a lot of good things about Ubuntu but most of my friends use (and recommend me) Mint. :SMay 09 20:22
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_goblintheres more out of the box support for Mint in terms of proprietaryMay 09 20:22
Jason^HomeLike Flash, mp3 etc?May 09 20:22
_goblinyepMay 09 20:22
_goblinyou can get it in Ubuntu, just have to select the restricted repositoriesMay 09 20:23
_goblinfor speed I'd just go MintMay 09 20:23
_goblinand it has a lively community too.May 09 20:23
ender2070mint isnt ubuntu based anymore iircMay 09 20:23
_goblinwhich ver?May 09 20:23
ender2070i think the latest version 9May 09 20:24
_goblinah...didn't know that.May 09 20:24
_goblinI should have known that too.May 09 20:24
_goblinthanks ender!May 09 20:24
ender2070mint is kind of useless anyways thoMay 09 20:24
ender2070even kubuntu asks me to install flash and proprietary codecs simply by opening konquererMay 09 20:24
Jason^HomeI also looked at OpenSUSE lately, it looks very well polishedMay 09 20:24
_goblinIve only used it a few times, but my experience was one similar to Ubuntu, out of the box and quick to get going.May 09 20:25
_goblinJason^Home, how much Linux experience do you have?May 09 20:25
ender2070i recommend fedora + rpmfusion for the codecsMay 09 20:25
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schestowitzWhoa. TJ compared Palin to Hitler... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY7YlvObNko&feature=digestMay 09 20:25
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Jason^HomeNone in Linux desktops, enough in Linux serversMay 09 20:25
ender2070mint based on debian will be better than ubuntu tooMay 09 20:25
_goblingo Wolvix (slackware) ....it plays very nicely with a netbook.May 09 20:25
ender2070debian is way fasterMay 09 20:26
Jason^Homedoes it supports wifi, camera and everything on MSI Wind U100?May 09 20:26
schestowitzJason^Home: MintMay 09 20:26
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Trololololohttp://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in http://haax.in htMay 09 20:26
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schestowitzKeep Canonical on its toeMay 09 20:26
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ender2070...May 09 20:26
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*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitzMay 09 20:27
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enthymemeoh, /ignore, how I love theeMay 09 20:27
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*schestowitz sets mode +i #boycottnovellMay 09 20:27
ender2070perhaps your bot should limit the # of links per msgMay 09 20:27
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_goblinI won't know about specific netbooks, although your camera et al should have no issue.....give the liveCD a go.....Ive been a long time advocate of Wolvix.May 09 20:27
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TechrightsBotTitle: LONG TITLE IS LONG LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!May 09 20:27
TechrightsBotTitle: LONG TITLE IS LONG LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!May 09 20:27
*schestowitz has kicked TechrightsBot from #boycottnovell (User term)May 09 20:27
Jason^Homeanyone said something about distos for netbooks during spam? :sMay 09 20:28
schestowitzThe children from linsu***May 09 20:28
schestowitzVandalsMay 09 20:28
_goblinnot sure there roy....May 09 20:28
_goblinLinsux has been hit by a troll too.May 09 20:28
schestowitzTHey did it some months agoMay 09 20:28
_goblinI saw it myself.May 09 20:28
MinceRthere should certainly be a per-line limit to urls parsedMay 09 20:29
MinceRand a time-based flood limitMay 09 20:29
_goblinIve been trying to extend an olive branch to the more sensible users and whilst talking I saw a troller doing something similar in their channel.May 09 20:29
schestowitzI see...May 09 20:29
MinceRwhat are sensible users doing there?May 09 20:29
_goblinthats what I wanted to know.May 09 20:30
schestowitzWell, they usually bring 'spectators'May 09 20:30
schestowitzAnyway, I'll leave it invite-only for a whileMay 09 20:30
schestowitzThe kid will find something else to doMay 09 20:30
_goblinand I get the impression that they are there from being victims of badly behaved users.....May 09 20:31
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to MinceRMay 09 20:31
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to _goblinMay 09 20:31
_goblintimestandstill for example is actually a very nice chap who does not promote Windows in any way and is quite balanced.May 09 20:32
_goblinVinceD whilst a Windows user is not blind enough to dismiss issues with Windows and has no problems discussing them.May 09 20:32
Hababawhat issues with Windows plz?May 09 20:32
_goblinlolMay 09 20:33
MinceRthat would be quite a long listMay 09 20:33
_goblindon't know, I think Windows (and Vista in particular) is a gift to the world.May 09 20:33
_goblingreatest thing ever.May 09 20:33
Hababadunno have you ever used Vista?May 09 20:33
MinceRi haveMay 09 20:33
_goblinlolMay 09 20:33
_goblinyes.May 09 20:33
MinceRonce was enough for a lifetimeMay 09 20:33
Hababaso what's the issue with it?May 09 20:33
_goblinlolMay 09 20:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Apply for SchoolOS help - http://fossjobs.in/job/310/regarding-schoolos-at-knowledgecommonsMay 09 20:33
_goblinis this a joke?May 09 20:33
HababanoMay 09 20:33
MinceRto sum it up, the issue is that it's a horrible piece of crapMay 09 20:34
Habababeside initial problemsMay 09 20:34
MinceRit's even worse than xpMay 09 20:34
HababaI don't knowMay 09 20:34
Jason^Homewhat a awesome argument.May 09 20:34
cubezzzevery windows version was crapMay 09 20:34
HababawowMay 09 20:34
_goblinlolMay 09 20:34
Hababacool points you haveMay 09 20:34
Hababait's crap coz it's crapMay 09 20:34
MinceRat least xp could unmount usb mass storage devicesMay 09 20:34
Jason^Homeit does.May 09 20:34
Hababaah and you can't on Vista?May 09 20:34
MinceRand was somewhat less bloatedMay 09 20:34
MinceRi had to shut down the machine to do itMay 09 20:34
Habababloated A+ pointMay 09 20:34
Hababathen u did it wrongMay 09 20:34
MinceRbecause it kept claiming something is using it even when no apps were runningMay 09 20:34
Habababecause you do can unmount themMay 09 20:35
Jason^Homeno apps running != no processes runningMay 09 20:35
MinceRsure, there's an interface to do soMay 09 20:35
MinceRwhich sometimes doesn't workMay 09 20:35
MinceRJason^Home: it did talk about appsMay 09 20:35
_goblinhababa....ok since you asked......its account management sytem....its bloat, its high spec requirements, its poor backward compat, its driver issues, its security holes....want me to go on?May 09 20:35
Hababaaccount management system?May 09 20:35
MinceRits filesystems are subpar as wellMay 09 20:35
Hababawhat pleaseMay 09 20:35
MinceRthe scheduler performs badlyMay 09 20:35
Hababaok let's have a lookMay 09 20:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Indian Companies who recruit for FOSS technology - http://fossjobs.in/companies #foss #jobsMay 09 20:35
MinceRit wastes memoryMay 09 20:35
Jason^HomeMinceR, some background apps like iTunes Media Indexer could be using itMay 09 20:35
MinceRno such apps were runningMay 09 20:36
_goblinhang on hababa, I havent finished....May 09 20:36
_goblinand more Windows generic now....May 09 20:36
Hababaaccount management -> Vista provides Local and AD users plus MLGPO and GPO to manage themMay 09 20:36
Hababain addition you can get AGPMMay 09 20:36
_goblinRegistry.....May 09 20:36
Hababaspec requirements -> AeroMay 09 20:36
HababaRegistry ?May 09 20:36
HababaLOLMay 09 20:36
Hababasorry but what is bad about thatMay 09 20:36
Hababatell meMay 09 20:36
MinceRthe entire ideaMay 09 20:36
_goblinlol.May 09 20:36
cubezzzcan you compile the kernel?May 09 20:36
HababaI mean you don't need to edit the registry or somethingMay 09 20:36
Jason^Homeyes, if you work at Microsoft.May 09 20:36
Hababathere's GPO for thatMay 09 20:36
Jason^Homecubezzz, you don't need to.May 09 20:36
MinceRit's extremely fragile and keeps normal filesystem access controls from being applied to settingsMay 09 20:37
HababasureMay 09 20:37
Hababaand security holesMay 09 20:37
Hababamade me laughtMay 09 20:37
Habababecause last time I checkedMay 09 20:37
MinceRthe only point to the registry is that their filesystems at the time wasted lots of space with small filesMay 09 20:37
_goblinhababa, if you have to ask, you don't understand....do a google there are a thousand sites that will explain about why the registry is a bad thing....even mainstream journals write about it.May 09 20:37
Hababathere was no way to apply policiesMay 09 20:37
Hababaon LinuxMay 09 20:37
Hababawhich NT 4 could already doMay 09 20:37
HababaI don't understand it?May 09 20:37
HababasureMay 09 20:37
MinceRwhat does "applying policies" do besides windows terminology?May 09 20:38
cubezzzhave fun giving money to rich billionariesMay 09 20:38
Hababamoney is a great pointMay 09 20:38
_goblinIve got a question....What on earth is a person who can't understand that Vista was a stinker doing in BN?May 09 20:38
cubezzztrollingMay 09 20:38
HababaWindows 7 home was like $50 bucks at one pointMay 09 20:38
Hababaso expensiveMay 09 20:38
_goblin50 bucks too muchMay 09 20:38
HababasureMay 09 20:38
MinceRvista also included a lot more DRM support than xp -- which resulted in more bloat and less functionality for the user.May 09 20:38
cubezzzgreat, go use itMay 09 20:38
Jason^Homestill is, for studentsMay 09 20:38
MinceRit also introduced driver incompatibilities.May 09 20:38
Hababasorry but if I get 8€ per hour for some jobMay 09 20:38
Hababathat's like 6h workMay 09 20:38
ender2070schestowitz - Fedora might be changing to a policy that wont keep them up to date with upstream anymoreMay 09 20:38
Hababafor something I use like 3 yearsMay 09 20:38
ender2070for kdeMay 09 20:39
ender2070http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Stability_ProposalMay 09 20:39
MinceRHababa: so, 6h more work than it's worth, then?May 09 20:39
cubezzzit's closed source, I don't use closed sourceMay 09 20:39
cubezzzsimpleMay 09 20:39
Hababawow closed sourceMay 09 20:39
Hababayo what did you contribute then?May 09 20:39
cubezzzyou can't trust itMay 09 20:39
Hababahm?May 09 20:39
cubezzzI write code, sureMay 09 20:39
Hababayo what did you contribute?May 09 20:39
_goblinMincer, the true worth of Windows was shown when the "winners" of the Ballmer signed WIndows got put on ebay as soon as they recieved them.May 09 20:40
*schestowitz sets mode -i #boycottnovellMay 09 20:40
HababaDRM lolMay 09 20:40
MinceR:)May 09 20:40
Aondowhy would you have to be a contributer to preffer free software?May 09 20:40
Hababawhat's the point of foss if you don't use the source?May 09 20:40
cubezzzthey're just trolling, who caresMay 09 20:40
_goblinlol.May 09 20:40
cubezzzporting?May 09 20:40
Hababaporting to what?May 09 20:40
cubezzzi port to zaurusMay 09 20:40
_goblinhababa drinks port.May 09 20:41
_goblinthats maybe why they post as they do.May 09 20:41
MinceRbeing able to start using the source at any time; recompiling for new architectures; hiring a programmer to improve it for you; having the right to use it regardless of who you are and what you use it forMay 09 20:41
Hababaok when was the last time you looked at the source of smth then?May 09 20:42
Hababaand new architecturesMay 09 20:42
MinceRand of course a higher level of assurance that it's secure and the manufacturer hasn't built backdoors into itMay 09 20:42
Hababawow I don't think you ever ran smth beside x86May 09 20:42
cubezzzsorry wrongMay 09 20:42
MinceRi look at source often; i've also contributed codeMay 09 20:42
cubezzzyou're not even listeningMay 09 20:42
MinceRHababa: so you don't have a mobile phone?May 09 20:42
cubezzzzaurus is ARM basedMay 09 20:42
MinceRHababa: or a router?May 09 20:42
Hababaphone ok that's rightMay 09 20:42
Habababut router?May 09 20:42
Hababado you write software for your router?May 09 20:43
MinceRrouters tend to be non-x86May 09 20:43
_goblinhave a day off hababa, of course the src will not be an issue to many end users, but having it available in the first place leads to forks or entirely new projects which benefit the end user/May 09 20:43
AondoHababa, just because it's free software don't mean you have to look to the source for it to be useful. if you find something you want to improve in a program,  you are free to get someone to do it for you, or do it your self, just like when you buy a house... :)May 09 20:43
MinceRi could, once i put a free firmware on itMay 09 20:43
cubezzza router is just a computerMay 09 20:43
MinceR(didn't start with it since i didn't want to risk my warranty, but it has expired since)May 09 20:43
cubezzzi/o, memory, cpuMay 09 20:43
cubezzzyou could program it to do anythingMay 09 20:43
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MinceRi selected my router making sure that it could run the most powerful free firmware of the time :>May 09 20:44
Rolf^HomeHi guys!May 09 20:45
enthymeme_goblin: lack of backward compatibility in Vista would have been forgiveable if they had come out with a cleaner, more stable, less bloated OS.May 09 20:45
enthymemegah, brb, have to go walk dogs >.>May 09 20:45
*enthymeme zoomMay 09 20:45
schestowitz"America needs to go off the oil tit" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bfgEwblM&feature=digestMay 09 20:47
Hababawhere did the TechrightsBot go btw?May 09 20:48
MinceRit was kicked so your troll friends can't use it to floodMay 09 20:48
Hababais it open source btw?May 09 20:48
Habababecause I think it spies on meMay 09 20:48
MinceRdunno, it isn't mineMay 09 20:48
schestowitzHababa: it prevents that 'friend' from floodingMay 09 20:49
MinceRwe could give our regulars autovoice and if the trolls start making noise (or flood) we can silence them with a +mMay 09 20:51
MinceRwhile the discussion can continueMay 09 20:51
MinceRit would be useful to know who can use /chanserv invite -- maybe that could work too, while we're +i because of a bot attackMay 09 20:52
_goblinhababa, Im sure if you ask you can get the src, but since you are free to leave at any time, I'd suggest you go if you feel nervous...tell you what, if you want I'll write you a script to have your own techrights bots for your channel...May 09 20:52
Hababawhy don't you just fix the botMay 09 20:53
Hababa?May 09 20:53
_goblinits not mineMay 09 20:53
_goblinand thats the first time there has been any issue with it.May 09 20:53
MinceRactually it isn'tMay 09 20:53
_goblinI stand corrected.May 09 20:53
MinceRit has been used for flooding just like that a couple times alreadyMay 09 20:53
_goblinahMay 09 20:53
_goblinwasn't here when that happened.May 09 20:53
Hababa...well I wasMay 09 20:53
MinceR(in general, bots and other automatically responding agents on IRC should be written a lot more paranoidly than that bot)May 09 20:54
MinceRHababa: maybe you were doing itMay 09 20:54
Hababanope not thatMay 09 20:54
_goblinhababa, thats nice, so you moved from discounting issues with Vista to paranoia about the bot?May 09 20:54
_goblinsort of makes sense now.May 09 20:54
Hababaalso protip: mibbit shows IP in gecosMay 09 20:54
MinceRprotip: proxies existMay 09 20:54
MinceRprotip: mibbit also shows IP in usernameMay 09 20:55
Hababayou didn't whois him tho, right?May 09 20:55
_goblinhababa: you a pro? lol, that must make 90% of this room deities then.May 09 20:55
HababawowMay 09 20:55
MinceRwhy would i have to whois him if i can just hex2ip his username?May 09 20:55
Hababahow come you so witty?May 09 20:55
_goblinhow come you so silly?May 09 20:55
_goblin(bad English intentional)May 09 20:55
MinceRwhy so serious?May 09 20:56
_goblinpro-tip: Hababa, try elsewhere, whatever it is you are trying to achieve is isn't working.May 09 20:56
cubezzzwow, lots of pro-tips todayMay 09 20:56
_goblinthanks to hababa, he's a pro you know!May 09 20:57
_goblinand he loves Vista.....May 09 20:57
MinceRpro-micro$oft?May 09 20:57
cubezzzpro-top: read the Halloween documentsMay 09 20:57
_goblinpro-Vista certainly.May 09 20:57
cubezzzI'll join in :)May 09 20:57
_goblinthats a real pro there.....May 09 20:57
Hababathe halloween docsMay 09 20:57
MinceRalso read the Comes documents and the letters to the DoJ in the antitrust caseMay 09 20:57
Hababawow esr did good job leakin themMay 09 20:57
MinceRthey tell a lot about how m$ operatesMay 09 20:57
Hababaprotip: writing m$ does not make you look smartMay 09 20:58
HababaetcMay 09 20:58
MinceRprotip: m$ doesn't deserve respectMay 09 20:58
_goblinprotip: rising to a simple bait doesnt either.May 09 20:58
MinceRprotip: complaining about people writing "m$" only makes you look like a doucheMay 09 20:58
Hababayou're making yourself look pretty stupid that wayMay 09 20:58
Habababut okMay 09 20:58
_goblinpro-tip, hababa make sure that if you are attempting to troll its not you who is being played.May 09 20:58
HababaVista 7 and crApple are actually even more retardedMay 09 20:58
cubezzzyou can kick him any time nowMay 09 20:59
MinceRyes, all versions of windows are pretty retardedMay 09 20:59
MinceRand so is crAppleMay 09 20:59
MinceRthankfully we aren't forced to rely on them so muchMay 09 20:59
_goblincubezzz: why? he's a pro, we should be pleased he's here.May 09 20:59
cubezzzanyway, use whatever OS you want... I don't careMay 09 20:59
Hababayou shudMay 09 21:00
HababaetcMay 09 21:00
cubezzzsorryMay 09 21:00
Rolf^HomeI hate Apple. They are spying on meMay 09 21:01
Jason^HomeI hate Canoncial. They are enforcing me to use what THEY like.May 09 21:01
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Jason^Homecanonical *May 09 21:01
MinceRJason^Home: how?May 09 21:01
Rolf^HomeEy, you are at home too? AWESUMMay 09 21:01
MinceRyou could just switch to a non-ubuntu distroMay 09 21:01
Jason^HomeI mean, in their distros.May 09 21:02
Jason^Homealso wellMay 09 21:02
Jason^Homeall distros are influenced by ubuntuMay 09 21:02
MinceRthat's one of the things distros are aboutMay 09 21:02
Jason^Homemost developers nowadays target their apps for ubuntuMay 09 21:02
Jason^Homewhich is fecking lameMay 09 21:02
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cubezzzFOSS coders just program what they wantMay 09 21:04
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ender2070jason thats kind of wrongMay 09 21:12
ender2070people target fedora,ubuntu,debian,opensuseMay 09 21:13
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Jason^Homeender2070, Skype isn't THE WHOLE Linux software, you know.May 09 21:14
MinceRskype is crapMay 09 21:14
ender2070i never said anything about skypeMay 09 21:14
Jason^HomeSkype indeed is most awesome VoIP software available nowadays.May 09 21:14
ender2070in fact FUCK PROPRIETARYMay 09 21:14
cubezzzof course, we do, we doMay 09 21:15
MinceRor the most awesome botnet.May 09 21:15
cubezzzas much as possibleMay 09 21:15
MinceRcan you tell which? :>May 09 21:15
ender2070skype will be replaced by a FOSS alternative soon enoughMay 09 21:15
Jason^HomeIn your dreams, it will be.May 09 21:15
ender2070sure it willMay 09 21:15
MinceR(with encrypted, obfuscated, proprietary code and encrypted, obfuscated, proprietary protocols)May 09 21:15
cubezzzI don't even use VoIP ;-)May 09 21:15
ender2070skype doesnt have anything nobody else can implementMay 09 21:16
MinceRthere already are open standards for VoIP and FLOSS implementations thereofMay 09 21:16
Jason^HomeOf course it's p2p, because even THE WHOLE Amazon S3 server park couldn't handle serving SO MUCH data.May 09 21:16
Jason^Homealso, in theory blah blah everything is so much better than Skype, but in reality, NOBODY except lifeless nerds know about those alternative VoIP programs.May 09 21:16
MinceRit isn't p2p for serving data, it's p2p for proxying for users who can't be bothered to set up their routers properly.May 09 21:16
Jason^Homeit IS for serving data aswell.May 09 21:16
ender2070no its notMay 09 21:17
MinceRVoIP is for lifeless nerds like youMay 09 21:17
MinceR:>May 09 21:17
ender2070i dont need the amazon s3 server park to place a single callMay 09 21:17
Jason^Homesorry but all sexy girls use SkypeMay 09 21:17
ender2070idiotMay 09 21:17
MinceRlolMay 09 21:17
Jason^Homeender2070, Skype handles billions of callsMay 09 21:17
Jason^Homenot A SINGLE oneMay 09 21:17
ender2070i dont make billions of callsMay 09 21:17
MinceRnow he's scraping the bottom of the argument barrelMay 09 21:17
ender2070yeahMay 09 21:17
ender2070lolMay 09 21:17
Jason^Homeender2070, yes, but nobody will make ANOTHER skype just for you ;)May 09 21:18
MinceRnobody needs toMay 09 21:18
ender2070voip is a standardMay 09 21:18
MinceRmany apps and even hw devices already speak SIPMay 09 21:18
MinceRand H.323May 09 21:18
Jason^HomeSkype is a standard actuallyMay 09 21:18
MinceRno it's notMay 09 21:18
ender2070all that skype has is deals with phone companiesMay 09 21:18
Jason^Homein corporate enviroments it is.May 09 21:18
MinceRskype doesn't even have open specificationsMay 09 21:18
Jason^HomeYes, so trojans cannot spy Skype history and record Skype calls.May 09 21:18
ender2070why notMay 09 21:19
MinceRactually properly done encryption via open standards can prevent thatMay 09 21:19
MinceRno need to obfuscateMay 09 21:19
ender2070is there some 256-bit encryption going from the software to the sound driver?May 09 21:19
ender2070:PMay 09 21:19
Jason^Homeyes cause current opensource encryption protocols are SO faster than commercialMay 09 21:20
Jason^Homenot?May 09 21:20
MinceRin fact, an open encrypted protocol can be expected to see more peer review and improvement and hence be more secureMay 09 21:20
Hababamany eyes theoryMay 09 21:20
Jason^Homes/in fact/in theory/May 09 21:20
HababawowMay 09 21:20
MinceRJason^Home: it's not about the encryption algorithms, skype probably doesn't have their ownMay 09 21:20
Jason^HomeI bet they do.May 09 21:20
MinceRit's about the _protocols_May 09 21:20
ender2070skype uses AES 256-bitMay 09 21:20
MinceRif they do, it's all the worse for themMay 09 21:20
MinceRhomegrown encryption tends to be weakMay 09 21:20
Jason^HomeSomehow all the sexy girls don't care and use Skype instead of ZOMG OPENSOURCE VoIP?May 09 21:20
MinceRas it was proven many times, including in the case of WEPMay 09 21:20
MinceRJason^Home: is skype your last hope for finding "sexy girls"?May 09 21:21
Hababasorry but WEP uses arcfourMay 09 21:21
MinceRis that because they can't stand you face to face?May 09 21:21
Hababaa streamline cipherMay 09 21:21
Hababaand until sosemanukMay 09 21:21
ender2070Jason^Home - some of us dont live promiscuous lifestyles, and have gf's alreadyMay 09 21:21
Jason^HomeMinceR, yeah, you're right as always etcMay 09 21:21
Hababathere was no real secure streamline cipherMay 09 21:21
MinceRHababa: it uses CRC for integrity, thoughMay 09 21:21
HababaNIST certified like noneMay 09 21:21
MinceRand even [A]RC4 can be used more securely than the way WEP doesMay 09 21:22
MinceR(iirc discard the first 256 bytes of the key stream before use)May 09 21:22
Hababawell yesMay 09 21:22
Hababathat was done with WPAMay 09 21:22
HababasoMay 09 21:22
Hababa?May 09 21:22
MinceRGSM is another example of a system being broken by not properly reviewed protocolsMay 09 21:22
MinceRHababa: which is not WEPMay 09 21:22
Jason^HomedunnoMay 09 21:22
Hababait's not like crypto on linux is any saferMay 09 21:22
Jason^Homehow the fact that Skype is p2p bothers you?May 09 21:22
Hababajust to mention the debian openssl disasterMay 09 21:22
MinceRJason^Home: it's not the part that bothers meMay 09 21:23
ender2070Jason^Home - its hardly p2p anywaysMay 09 21:23
Jason^Homeender2070, it's mostly p2p.May 09 21:23
ender2070no its notMay 09 21:23
MinceRJason^Home: the part that bothers me is that the protocol is closed and there are no other apps for itMay 09 21:23
MinceRJason^Home: and that their binaries are closed like bits of malwareMay 09 21:23
ender2070give me a wireshark dump to prove itMay 09 21:23
ender2070noobMay 09 21:23
MinceRJason^Home: you have an app that is expected to communicate random, opaque data with random hostsMay 09 21:23
Jason^Homeender2070, how come sometimes, when I become a node, my CPU usage by Steam.exe rises to around 20% and it uses around 50mbit/s upload and 20mbit/s download?May 09 21:24
Jason^Homealso obvMay 09 21:24
MinceRif that doesn't strike you as a security issue then you need to learn some lessons about security. :>May 09 21:24
Jason^HomeGIME WIRESHARK DUMPMay 09 21:24
Jason^Homeobv I have it because I totally did all dumps when I was node last timeMay 09 21:24
Jason^Home?>May 09 21:24
MinceRsince when is Steam.exe a part of Skype?May 09 21:24
ender2070i dont run winblowsMay 09 21:24
ender2070yeah that tooMay 09 21:24
Jason^HomeSince around 2003May 09 21:24
ender2070LOLMay 09 21:24
MinceRinteresting.May 09 21:24
Jason^Homeobviously if you use a OS that's binary format doesn't supports digital signatures then it's not .exeMay 09 21:25
ender2070why are you even here Jason, you're just a windows userMay 09 21:25
MinceRso what else is part of Skype then?May 09 21:25
Jason^HomeSkype.app, obviously.May 09 21:25
Jason^Home;DMay 09 21:25
MinceRender2070: probably an irresistible urge to demonstrate his lack of knowledge.May 09 21:25
cubezzzyou can run skpe on Linux though right?May 09 21:25
Jason^Homeyes veryMay 09 21:25
Jason^Homenever noticed Steam becoming a p2p node when I ran it on linux, thoMay 09 21:26
Jason^Homecause Skype developers probably know that Linux users are on shitty computers and shitty internets, so they shouldn't be supernodes.May 09 21:26
ender2070cubezzz - ctcp version him, hes a windows noobMay 09 21:27
cubezzzwhatever, I don't even use VoIP at allMay 09 21:28
ender2070hes here to trollMay 09 21:28
ender2070probably linsuxxMay 09 21:28
Jason^Homeender2070, oh yeah, Windows = TrollMay 09 21:28
Jason^Homeso obvious argumentMay 09 21:28
cubezzzno point in arguingMay 09 21:28
MinceRbtw both SIP and H.323 existed before skypeMay 09 21:28
HababalinsuxMay 09 21:28
HababaplzMay 09 21:28
Jason^Homealso you guys arguing about security?May 09 21:28
Jason^Homethen tell meMay 09 21:28
ender2070you already made trash talk about linuxMay 09 21:28
Hababayou do think people need to organize to troll you?May 09 21:28
Jason^Homesince when ELF supportsMay 09 21:28
Jason^Homeembedded digital signaturesMay 09 21:28
Jason^Home?May 09 21:28
cubezzzyou're trolling Jason^HomeMay 09 21:28
ender2070write off Jason and HababaMay 09 21:28
ender2070linsuxx trollsMay 09 21:28
Jason^Homewhat's thatMay 09 21:28
Hababasorry I'm not on linsuxMay 09 21:28
Hababaomg mIRCMay 09 21:28
Jason^Homeneither am IMay 09 21:28
cubezzzI couldn't careless about VoIP May 09 21:29
Hababashock ender2070May 09 21:29
Hababa?May 09 21:29
MinceRJason^Home: if you're relying on embedded digital signatures for security, you're doing it wrong. see symbian.May 09 21:29
Jason^Homeno I am not etcMay 09 21:29
ender2070linsuxx or not, ur trollsMay 09 21:29
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ender2070you should go hang out with themMay 09 21:29
Hababadunno ELF got no sigs thoMay 09 21:29
HababasoMay 09 21:29
Jason^Home-cubezzz- VERSION xchat 2.0.7 Linux 2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp [i686/551.76MHz/SMP]May 09 21:29
Hababaand on windowsMay 09 21:29
Jason^Hometypical linux user, 551 mhz CPU.May 09 21:29
Hababathere is like sfc /scannowMay 09 21:29
ender2070you guys can share your Folie a Deux togetherMay 09 21:30
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cubezzzI own 5 different computersMay 09 21:30
cubezzzthis one does IRC fineMay 09 21:30
Hababa5x 550Mhz?May 09 21:30
Hababawow that's already 2750MhzMay 09 21:30
cubezzzI could probably IRC on a commodore 128May 09 21:30
ender2070now they are ripping on someones cpu speed :)May 09 21:30
ender2070they aren't trolls thoughMay 09 21:31
Jason^Homeender2070, yes cause CPU speed totally doesn't mattersMay 09 21:31
Chips_B_MalroyDoes Linsux have any purpose but to trash other operating systems to spread the filth of M$ FUD?May 09 21:31
cubezzzI guess you need a fast CPU to make up for your slow OSMay 09 21:31
MinceRperhaps their vpenis size is a function of cpu clock rateMay 09 21:31
Jason^Homecubezzz, somehow when I tried to run rtorrent on arch on my netbook it couldn't get over 10MB/sMay 09 21:31
ender2070only windows needs the latest cpu to function properlyMay 09 21:31
Jason^Homewhile uTorrent on winxp on same netbook easily gets 50+ MB/sMay 09 21:31
Hababaright dats why google etc run on like C64May 09 21:32
Hababa?May 09 21:32
HababarightMay 09 21:32
Jason^Homeexplain plzMay 09 21:32
MinceRHababa: no, they run windows... oh, waitMay 09 21:32
Hababayes my pointMay 09 21:32
ender2070if they ran windows they would need 4x more state sized datacentersMay 09 21:32
Jason^HomeAkamai servers run on IIS 7May 09 21:32
cubezzzJason^Home, try BSD thenMay 09 21:32
Jason^Homethat's why they are superior to any other CDN'sMay 09 21:32
ender2070Akamai used to run bsdMay 09 21:33
Jason^Homecubezzz, tried too, was A BIT better - around 20MB/sMay 09 21:33
MinceRJason^Home: they run linux and m$ hides their "servers" behind themMay 09 21:33
Jason^HomeusedMay 09 21:33
ender2070its their bandwidth thats superiorMay 09 21:33
ender2070not their OSMay 09 21:33
ender2070idiotMay 09 21:33
Jason^Homeender2070, explain why rtorrent on linux WITHOUT GUI is slower than uTorrent on windows WITH guiMay 09 21:33
Jason^Home?May 09 21:33
MinceR221250 [freenode] Jason^Home [shad0www@80.232.252.103] requested unknown CTCP CUBEZZZ from MinceR: versionMay 09 21:33
ender2070rottent sucksMay 09 21:33
MinceRlol failMay 09 21:33
ender2070rtorrent*May 09 21:33
ender2070what about ktorrentMay 09 21:33
ender2070why does it use less ramMay 09 21:33
Jason^Homeyes I didnt did enough ctrl+backspace's?May 09 21:33
Jason^HomeI tried transmission, deluge, rtorrent, and some other thing that I dont remember how it was calledMay 09 21:34
ender2070why does ktorrent use less ram WITH gui than utorrent on windowsMay 09 21:34
Jason^Homeall of them were crappy 10-15MB/sMay 09 21:34
Jason^Homeender2070, cause it's way shittier probablyMay 09 21:34
ender2070bam, schooledMay 09 21:34
ender2070lolMay 09 21:34
ender2070cant win an arguement against youMay 09 21:34
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Hababawhat RAM sry?May 09 21:34
Jason^Homeyes because FACT is that ktorrent = 10-15 MB/s while uTorrent = 50MB/s on same torrentMay 09 21:34
ender2070perhaps utorrent is way shittier than rtorrent w/o gui?May 09 21:34
ender2070"probably"May 09 21:35
Jason^Homeender2070, so in what way it is shittier?May 09 21:35
cubezzzso don't use ktorrentMay 09 21:35
Jason^HomeI told you about speeds alreadyMay 09 21:35
Jason^HomesryMay 09 21:35
Jason^Homecubezzz, told u, i tried rtorrent, ktorrent, transmission, delugeMay 09 21:35
Jason^Homewat else?May 09 21:35
ender2070i saturate my connection on ktorrentMay 09 21:35
Chips_B_MalroyLinxsux trolls?May 09 21:35
HababalolMay 09 21:35
Jason^Homeender2070, you are on 1 bit/year american DSLMay 09 21:35
ender2070i get whatever i set as my maxMay 09 21:35
Jason^Homeso no wondersMay 09 21:35
Hababaguys 3rd tiemMay 09 21:35
Hababawere not form linsuxMay 09 21:36
Jason^Homeoh you're from Canada, still I think you have around 16mbit/sMay 09 21:36
ender2070you guys belong there, not hereMay 09 21:36
Jason^Homemax.May 09 21:36
MinceRi saturated my connection on rtorrentMay 09 21:36
Jason^HomeMinceR, speedtest.net picMay 09 21:36
MinceRbut i guess Jason^Home fails at using rtorrent as much as at using mircMay 09 21:36
ender2070lolMay 09 21:36
Jason^HomeMinceR, sorry but I am not using mIRCMay 09 21:36
Jason^Homesorry. :(May 09 21:36
HababalolMay 09 21:37
Jason^HomeI am using FOSS zomghaxMay 09 21:37
MinceRthen you fail at using xchat, tooMay 09 21:37
ender2070jason and hababa are just trolls, linsuxx or notMay 09 21:37
Jason^Homeyes veryMay 09 21:37
Hababa[22:20:41] [Jason^Home VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.7f Windows 6.1 [i1586/3,00GHz]May 09 21:37
Hababaxchat on windowsMay 09 21:37
Hababais likeMay 09 21:37
Hababawors den mircMay 09 21:37
Hababa?May 09 21:37
Jason^Homeyes but ZOMG ITS FOSSMay 09 21:37
MinceRHababa: for m$ fanboys like you, yesMay 09 21:37
ender2070mirc is the worstMay 09 21:37
MinceRbut you should be using Comic Chat anywayMay 09 21:37
ender2070xchat isnt foss imoMay 09 21:37
Jason^Homeit isMay 09 21:37
Jason^HomeGPLMay 09 21:37
Jason^HomeetcMay 09 21:37
MinceR(it's from m$!)May 09 21:37
Jason^Homealso it doesn't crashes on colorspam unlike mIRCMay 09 21:37
Hababasry I am running Exchange 2000 w/ IRCXMay 09 21:38
Hababafor servMay 09 21:38
HababaI admitMay 09 21:38
MinceRlol ircxMay 09 21:38
ender2070they sell and support a windows version before they make updates for linuxMay 09 21:38
Jason^HomeHababa big bullshittr cuz he uses inspircdMay 09 21:38
ender2070linux is always a point release behindMay 09 21:38
Jason^Homeand atheme for servicesMay 09 21:38
MinceRthe shittiest corruption of irc i've ever seen is ircxMay 09 21:38
ender2070so fuck xchatMay 09 21:38
Jason^Homeender2070 ragdMay 09 21:38
Jason^Homeender2070, okay you max your connectionMay 09 21:38
ender2070you cant get the full source code before they release an older linux clientMay 09 21:38
Chips_B_MalroyJason^Home>  are you any relation to Lucy Buntu?May 09 21:38
Jason^Homethat's because your internet speed is slow, it doesn't hits clients limitationsMay 09 21:38
Jason^HomeChips_B_Malroy, erm, what's that, a site, blog, forum, person, program, linux distro? :SMay 09 21:39
Jason^Homesounds like some random ubuntu repackMay 09 21:39
Chips_B_MalroypersonMay 09 21:39
Jason^Homeno ideaMay 09 21:39
Chips_B_Malroya know M$ shillMay 09 21:40
Chips_B_Malroy*knownMay 09 21:40
Jason^HomekMay 09 21:40
Jason^HomeI careMay 09 21:40
Chips_B_MalroyHow about your friend?May 09 21:40
Hababawho the heck is lucy buntuMay 09 21:40
Jason^Homealso what's best browser for linux?May 09 21:40
Hababaw3m ofcMay 09 21:40
Jason^Home:DMay 09 21:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This one made me laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCKuYKNqJc&feature=digest Gary Null is the Kent Hovind of Alternative MedicineMay 09 21:40
Jason^Homeso, what it is?May 09 21:41
Jason^Homefirefox? chromium?May 09 21:41
MinceRwhat meets your requirements bestMay 09 21:41
Jason^Homewhat is best in terms of technology support?May 09 21:42
ender2070i prefer chromiumMay 09 21:42
ender2070selinux support and sandboxingMay 09 21:42
MinceRi prefer firefoxMay 09 21:42
MinceR(with NoScript, RefControl and AdBlock Plus)May 09 21:42
Jason^Homeis firefox any better than Internet Explorer 8?May 09 21:42
MinceRcertainlyMay 09 21:42
Jason^HomeI mean, does it supports protected modeMay 09 21:42
Jason^HomeTLS 1.2May 09 21:42
Jason^Home?May 09 21:42
ender2070arachne for dos is better than IE8May 09 21:42
MinceRfirefox is a web browser; IE is a m$-web browserMay 09 21:42
Chips_B_Malroydon't tell us you guys love Internet Exploder?May 09 21:42
MinceRfirefox supports w3c standards like html and css; ie supports whatever m$ has in-house instead of standardsMay 09 21:43
Jason^Homeof course we do, because it perfectly supports all modern standardsMay 09 21:43
Jason^Homelike ActiveX, TLS 1.2May 09 21:43
ender2070no theora or ogg in IEMay 09 21:43
MinceRlolMay 09 21:43
Jason^Homeand has advanced security featuresMay 09 21:43
ender2070activex isnt a standardMay 09 21:43
Jason^HomeHTML 5 is draft :|May 09 21:43
Hababasorry MinceR, but checked IE9May 09 21:43
Hababa?May 09 21:43
MinceR"all modern standards" "like ActiveX"May 09 21:43
MinceRthat's your best joke todayMay 09 21:43
ender2070lolMay 09 21:43
Chips_B_MalroybarfMay 09 21:43
ender2070activex is for idiots tooMay 09 21:43
Hababaoh rightMay 09 21:43
Hababacoz linux got instead of COM.... ?May 09 21:44
Jason^Homealso not a single Linux browser supports CPU renderingMay 09 21:44
MinceRender2070: so it's perfect fit for these m$ fanboysMay 09 21:44
Chips_B_Malroyit supports (IE) malwareMay 09 21:44
MinceRJason^Home: actually all of them doMay 09 21:44
Jason^Homewhile on Windows, Firefox has Direct2D, and IE has Direct2D tooMay 09 21:44
ender2070the ONLY thing I love about activex - $100 spyware removal bills :)May 09 21:44
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HababaJason^Home meant GPU renderingMay 09 21:44
ender2070i love charging people up the ass for running insecure OS'sMay 09 21:44
HababaobvMay 09 21:44
Jason^Homeoh dude, IE 8 in Protected Mode can't get out of his sandboxMay 09 21:44
Jason^Homeyes I mean GPU renderingMay 09 21:44
MinceRsure it can'tMay 09 21:44
Jason^Homeso basically it's totally safeMay 09 21:44
MinceRie was, is and always will be perfectly secureMay 09 21:45
Jason^Homeno working exploitMay 09 21:45
MinceRlike all m$ productsMay 09 21:45
HababasecMay 09 21:45
Hababaoh waitMay 09 21:45
ender2070ms products are never exploitedMay 09 21:45
MinceRtime to check the latest pwn2own contest :>May 09 21:45
HababaisMay 09 21:45
ender2070even though I earn $100 on each spyware/virus infested pcMay 09 21:45
Habababecoz sql serv 2008 had exactly 0 security vulnsMay 09 21:45
Hababaand likeMay 09 21:45
Jason^Homethat pwn2own is working like on winxp onlyMay 09 21:45
HababamysqlMay 09 21:45
Hababahad likeMay 09 21:45
Hababaover 40 in 5 alreadyMay 09 21:45
HababasoMay 09 21:45
Jason^Homeand there's no protected mode in XP so doesnt countsMay 09 21:45
ender2070i still make $100 on vista and win7 boxesMay 09 21:45
MinceRsql server is by itself a DoS attack on the machine it's "running" on :>May 09 21:45
Hababasorry but how comeMay 09 21:46
Chips_B_Malroyall the time I fixed computers, only windows computers came in with malwareMay 09 21:46
Jason^HomeMinceR, well if you run 550 MHz CPUMay 09 21:46
Hababamysql not #2 on db marketMay 09 21:46
Hababa?May 09 21:46
Jason^Homethen obviously it isMay 09 21:46
MinceRJason^Home: actually even win3.1 relies on protected mode, but thanks for playing.May 09 21:46
Hababaand oracle isnt foss eitherMay 09 21:46
Jason^HomeMinceR, I am not talking about CPU protected mode..May 09 21:46
Hababaoracle enterprise edition costs per CPUMay 09 21:46
ender2070ms sql server requires a seperate boxMay 09 21:46
Jason^HomeIE 8 is running in sandboxMay 09 21:46
Chips_B_Malroywindows is a malware targetMay 09 21:46
MinceRHababa: it sure sucks less than m$ sql thoughMay 09 21:46
Hababaas much as mysql on an abitrary amount of serversMay 09 21:46
HababasoMay 09 21:46
ender2070ms sql server costs per cpu too, since it uses up the entire cpuMay 09 21:46
HababaMinceR, mssql costs like 50,000 bucksMay 09 21:46
Hababahow comeMay 09 21:46
Hababamysql not #2 thenMay 09 21:47
Chips_B_MalroyHave you scanned your windows lately for malware?May 09 21:47
Hababa?May 09 21:47
Hababayes I did but it couldnt run becoz I used applockerMay 09 21:47
Jason^HomeChips_B_Malroy, obviously I didMay 09 21:47
Habababut linux got no TPEMay 09 21:47
HababasoMay 09 21:47
ender2070chips_b_malroy - they have the linsuxx-troll virusMay 09 21:47
Habababesides in grsecurityMay 09 21:47
HababaLOLMay 09 21:47
Hababaand that oneMay 09 21:47
Hababais very basicMay 09 21:47
Hababasupports no excepts etcMay 09 21:47
Jason^Homegrsecurity doesnt comes by defaultMay 09 21:47
Jason^Homeso basically uslsMay 09 21:47
HababayoMay 09 21:47
MinceRbut but but linux got no <random winblows "feature">!May 09 21:47
Habababesides for servsMay 09 21:47
Chips_B_Malroyyou guys work for MS?May 09 21:47
HababaMinceR, trusted path executionMay 09 21:47
Hababa?May 09 21:47
Hababaso wer is itMay 09 21:48
MinceRgrammar, where is it?May 09 21:48
Jason^Homewe forgot it at /b/May 09 21:48
Jason^Homeis this badMay 09 21:48
Hababadun careMay 09 21:48
MinceRChips_B_Malroy: i'd expect astroturfers to be at least capable of human communicationMay 09 21:48
Jason^Homealso MinceR that's not random featureMay 09 21:48
Hababaoh rightMay 09 21:48
Jason^Homethat's VERY useful featureMay 09 21:48
Hababathere is one thing I always wanted to askMay 09 21:48
Jason^Homeespecially in corporate enviromentsMay 09 21:48
Hababawhat does astroturfing mean?May 09 21:48
ender2070does Windows pass a single DOD test?May 09 21:48
MinceRyes, very useful when you're using the world's first or second least secure OS (the other contender being osx)May 09 21:49
HababaDOD test?May 09 21:49
Hababayou mean EAL?May 09 21:49
Hababaif so it's EAL4+May 09 21:49
ender2070department of defenseMay 09 21:49
HababayesMay 09 21:49
Habababut what test?May 09 21:49
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> Chips_B_Malroy: i'd expect astroturfers to be at least capable of human communication"  when they lose the debate they just move on to something else, it why they cannot communicateMay 09 21:49
MinceRsure it passes EAL4+, if it has no connection to the outside world, is unplugged and thrown into the sea encased in concreteMay 09 21:49
ender2070redhat is EAL4+May 09 21:49
HababayesMay 09 21:49
Jason^HomeMinceR, yes it is very useful when you're running Linux or second least secure OSMay 09 21:49
Habababut EALMay 09 21:49
Hababais assuranceMay 09 21:49
MinceRotherwise winnt is just a home for spam-relaying malwareMay 09 21:50
Hababanot like giving any info bout qualityMay 09 21:50
HababaetcMay 09 21:50
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Hababacoz if a soft is not higher EAL certedMay 09 21:50
Jason^HomeChips_B_Malroy, that's exactly why ender2070 STFU'd when I told him that obviously all linux torrent clients saturate his slow american DSLMay 09 21:50
MinceRHababa: check the Target of Evaluation.May 09 21:50
Hababathen i can be either not checkedMay 09 21:50
Hababaor have failed the checkMay 09 21:50
HababasoMay 09 21:50
ender2070Jason^Home - im not american sirsMay 09 21:50
Chips_B_Malroyonly person who I know that has ever said the windows is the most secure OS ever, is Andre.  May 09 21:50
HababaEAL not good pointMay 09 21:50
Jason^Homeender2070, you're North AmericanMay 09 21:50
HababaquestionMay 09 21:50
Hababawhy is linux more secure?May 09 21:51
ender2070im not american sirsMay 09 21:51
_goblinchips....and don't forget what Michael Jackson should have lived to see!May 09 21:51
Hababacoz likeMay 09 21:51
MinceRChips_B_Malroy: i think many m$ apologists would claim the sameMay 09 21:51
Hababasecunia shows moar vulnsMay 09 21:51
HababaetcMay 09 21:51
Jason^Homeender2070, why your Country flag is set to Canada then? ;(May 09 21:51
Chips_B_Malroyeven any windows users know it is not secureMay 09 21:51
Hababaand just becoz virus cant runMay 09 21:51
Jason^Homeand stop moving to another argument sirsMay 09 21:51
MinceRHababa: because it was designed and implemented by people who had a clue, and cared.May 09 21:51
ender2070its Canada, not USA or AmericaMay 09 21:51
Habababad pointMay 09 21:51
ender2070im a CanadianMay 09 21:51
Jason^HomeyesMay 09 21:51
Jason^HomeCanada is in North AmericaMay 09 21:51
ender2070yes but my people are called CanadiansMay 09 21:51
Jason^Homeok..May 09 21:51
ender2070im not buying your UN agenda bullshit, stfuMay 09 21:51
Jason^Homestill... of course linux torrent clients saturate your slow internetMay 09 21:51
ender2070LOLMay 09 21:52
Jason^Homevery funny :)May 09 21:52
ender2070you are funnyMay 09 21:52
Jason^Homeoh you are canadianMay 09 21:52
Jason^Homeyou consider 16mbit fastMay 09 21:53
Jason^Homeno wondersMay 09 21:53
ender2070thats a mid level connectionMay 09 21:53
Jason^Homehere minimal what you can get is 20mbit/sMay 09 21:53
Jason^HomeISP's just don't offer slower packages :<May 09 21:53
Chips_B_Malroy"Jason^Home> still... of course linux torrent clients saturate your slow internet"  that is  because Linux users unlike windows users do not need to infringe programs because ours are free anyway.May 09 21:53
Jason^HomeChips_B_Malroy, sorry but there are OVER 9000 legal torrentsMay 09 21:54
Jason^Homee.g. debian ISO'sMay 09 21:54
Jason^Homewould be pain in the ass to download via HTTPMay 09 21:54
Jason^Homecause most browsers (at least linux ones) can't preallocate filesMay 09 21:54
Jason^Homeso basically huge fragmentationMay 09 21:54
Chips_B_Malroymost windows users torrent illegal programsMay 09 21:54
Jason^HomemostMay 09 21:54
Jason^Homewhat a awesome argument.May 09 21:55
ender2070Latvia is such a small country its easy to provide fast access to everyoneMay 09 21:55
Jason^Homeender2070, sorry but huge Sweden got gbit/s aswellMay 09 21:55
ender2070you're in LatviaMay 09 21:55
Jason^Homeand huuuuge France got 2.4 gbit/s for home users for 70 EUR/monthMay 09 21:55
Jason^Homeyes, so?May 09 21:55
Chips_B_Malroyits why so many otherwise protected windows computers come in for repair, trojans installed from torrented appsMay 09 21:55
HababaChips_B_MalroyMay 09 21:55
Hababasorry my windows all legitMay 09 21:55
Hababaso my officeMay 09 21:55
Jason^Homesomehow I torrented >9000 apps and my PC it totally cleanMay 09 21:55
Jason^Home?May 09 21:55
HababaetcMay 09 21:55
Chips_B_MalroyI did not say you Jason, I said average window userMay 09 21:56
Jason^Homeerm okay?May 09 21:56
Jason^Homeaverage windows user is dumb because average computer user is dumbMay 09 21:56
Jason^Homeand computer manufacturers preinstall windowsMay 09 21:56
ender2070Jason^Home - actually you dont know that at all for sure unless you reinstall after every downloadMay 09 21:56
Jason^Homeif they would preinstall linux then average linux users would be dumbMay 09 21:56
Jason^HomesryMay 09 21:56
Jason^Homealso yes I do know for sureMay 09 21:57
ender2070no you dontMay 09 21:57
Jason^HomeI know everything about every single running process, every single service etcMay 09 21:57
ender2070your a/v only knows about malware the company has been able to find out aboutMay 09 21:57
Jason^HomeI don't use AV>May 09 21:57
ender2070then you're even more in the darkMay 09 21:57
Jason^Homethey are useless with Windows 7 advanced security technologies.May 09 21:57
ender2070what about rootkitsMay 09 21:57
Jason^Homewhat about sfc /scannow?May 09 21:57
Chips_B_Malroythen you are in troubleMay 09 21:57
ender2070rootkitsMay 09 21:57
ender2070dumbassMay 09 21:57
Jason^Homealso ofc rootkits are popular in LinuxMay 09 21:58
Jason^Homecause no digital signaturesMay 09 21:58
Jason^Home?May 09 21:58
ender2070its only a matter of time before win7 is a haven for malwareMay 09 21:58
Hababaender2070, I insert MS DaRT cdMay 09 21:58
Hababa?May 09 21:58
Hababaand do liek scanMay 09 21:58
Jason^HomesameMay 09 21:58
ender2070every security technique ms comes up with is targetted immediatelyMay 09 21:58
Hababanon backed up claimMay 09 21:58
Jason^Homehttp://speedtest.net/result/784439283.png <- Linux clients can barely saturate 10% of thisMay 09 21:58
Hababagood pointMay 09 21:58
Jason^Home:(May 09 21:58
ender2070show me a security technology from ms that isn't brokenMay 09 21:58
Jason^HomeUACMay 09 21:58
ender2070UAC can be faked/brokenMay 09 21:59
HababanoMay 09 21:59
Jason^Homeno it can'tMay 09 21:59
ender2070most users click yes anyways tooMay 09 21:59
Hababawow good pointMay 09 21:59
Hababa?May 09 21:59
ender2070it comes up so muchMay 09 21:59
Jason^Homealso so what if most users click yes?May 09 21:59
Hababaand UAC cannot be brokenMay 09 21:59
HababafyiMay 09 21:59
ender2070yes it canMay 09 21:59
Jason^Homemost linux users type "sudo" when asked tooMay 09 21:59
Jason^Homeso sryMay 09 21:59
Hababaonly thing that happenedMay 09 21:59
ender2070anything can be brokenMay 09 21:59
Hababais that on lowered security levelMay 09 21:59
ender2070ms is the biggest targetMay 09 21:59
Hababait was possible to bypass using rundll32May 09 21:59
HabababutMay 09 21:59
Hababaon lowered as I saidMay 09 21:59
Habababeside that notMay 09 21:59
Hababaand before you name KPPMay 09 22:00
Hababacoz I know you wouldMay 09 22:00
Chips_B_Malroy"ender2070> its only a matter of time before win7 is a haven for malware"  What do you mean, it already IS!May 09 22:00
HababaKPP is operating on the same ring and can always be broken in theoryMay 09 22:00
Habababut theory is the big pointMay 09 22:00
Hababaactually breaking it is hardMay 09 22:00
Jason^HomeChips_B_Malroy, show me any virus that runs under non-administrative user please?May 09 22:00
Jason^Homeoh right there are none/May 09 22:00
Jason^Home?May 09 22:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] hey @hindleyite - did you manage to recover retroyakking? Did today.com warn you everything was going down?May 09 22:00
Hababauhm show me why virus says here program blocked by gpoMay 09 22:01
ender2070we're linux users, not walking virus-db encyclopediasMay 09 22:01
Hababahow do I reproduce that in linux?May 09 22:01
Hababaoh rightMay 09 22:01
HababaforgotMay 09 22:01
Hababalinux got no tpeMay 09 22:01
HababasryMay 09 22:01
Jason^Homeender2070, oh right when you are asked to show you can'tMay 09 22:01
Jason^Homebecause there are noneMay 09 22:01
Jason^Home?May 09 22:01
ender2070windows doesnt have selinuxMay 09 22:01
Hababaender2070, a virus is simple damaging codeMay 09 22:01
HababaLOL!May 09 22:01
Jason^Homelinux doesnt has applockerMay 09 22:01
Hababaender2070, group policyMay 09 22:01
HababaplzMay 09 22:01
Hababathat allows you to LOCK anythingMay 09 22:01
ender2070windows doesnt have a package manager with a key database preventing unauthorized software installMay 09 22:02
Hababasorry but rongMay 09 22:02
Hababawindows got add and remove programsMay 09 22:02
Jason^Homeoh right package manager argumentMay 09 22:02
Hababaand you can distributeMay 09 22:02
HababaMSIMay 09 22:02
HababapackagesMay 09 22:02
Hababaso people can do one clickMay 09 22:02
Jason^Homealso where linux got unified package format?May 09 22:02
Hababaand windows uses signature on itMay 09 22:02
Jason^Homewindows got .msiMay 09 22:02
HababasoMay 09 22:02
Hababalinux got RPMMay 09 22:02
Hababawhich lsb defs as stdMay 09 22:02
ender2070windows doesnt have anything centralizedMay 09 22:02
Habababut DEB is more usedMay 09 22:02
Hababaaka failMay 09 22:03
Hababaender2070, no?May 09 22:03
ender2070you trust every .exe and .msi file you download and installMay 09 22:03
Hababagroup policy plzMay 09 22:03
HababayesMay 09 22:03
Hababacoz they're signedMay 09 22:03
Hababa?May 09 22:03
ender2070group policy has a database of keys from every software vendor?May 09 22:03
Hababagroup policy got templates :3May 09 22:03
ender2070it will prevent an app from installing if its .exe file in the db is modified?May 09 22:03
Jason^Homeplz what CA's linux gotMay 09 22:03
Jason^Home?May 09 22:03
Hababaevery nub can create themMay 09 22:03
Hababaender2070, hm?May 09 22:03
Chips_B_MalroyThe limited (normal) user account in Windows is better, not to be confused with UAC, which is not a limited or normal account.  But it still has more problems than the same type of setup in other OS.May 09 22:03
MinceR224245 < Hababa> and UAC cannot be brokenMay 09 22:03
Hababathen the signature mismatches?May 09 22:03
MinceRit comes brokenMay 09 22:03
HababasorryMay 09 22:03
HababaMinceR, better than setuidMay 09 22:04
MinceRespecially in vista7May 09 22:04
HababalolMay 09 22:04
ender2070theres no forced signature systemMay 09 22:04
Hababayou can enable thatMay 09 22:04
Hababa:3May 09 22:04
Hababagroup policy as I saidMay 09 22:04
ender2070but its not forcedMay 09 22:04
Hababaif you want toMay 09 22:04
Hababait isMay 09 22:04
ender2070if it was forced you wouldnt have to enable itMay 09 22:04
HababaohMay 09 22:04
Hababanot by defaultMay 09 22:04
HababaofcMay 09 22:04
Habababut you can do thatMay 09 22:04
ender2070microsoft should have that setupMay 09 22:04
Hababano?May 09 22:04
Jason^Homelinux browsers should have TLS 1.2May 09 22:05
Jason^HomesryMay 09 22:05
Hababathat would like confuse everyoneMay 09 22:05
Hababa?May 09 22:05
Hababaor do you run grsecurityMay 09 22:05
Hababa?May 09 22:05
ender2070Jason^Home - chromiumMay 09 22:05
Hababawith tpe?May 09 22:05
Chips_B_MalroyNormal accounts in Windows was a bolt on, or add on feature, while I recommend it, it is not as easy to use as the limited accounts in Nix.  Also, it does not remove the 4 main malware targets in windows, IE, Outllook, WMP, and Messinger.May 09 22:05
Jason^Homeender2070, chromium is so shitty that nobody uses itMay 09 22:05
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MinceRshittiness doesn't prevent people from using somethingMay 09 22:05
Jason^Homealso those "malware targets" are running from limited user so sryMay 09 22:05
ender2070but it means you're wrongMay 09 22:05
MinceRcase in point: ieMay 09 22:05
Jason^HomeIE is awesome browser actuallyMay 09 22:06
ender2070there are linux browsers that support TLS 1.2May 09 22:06
HababaIE got 1/3 of security holes compared to ffMay 09 22:06
Jason^Homeand yesMay 09 22:06
Jason^Home^May 09 22:06
Hababaaccording to secuniaMay 09 22:06
HababasoMay 09 22:06
ender2070you're just a FUDing bastardMay 09 22:06
HababadunnoMay 09 22:06
MinceRsure, it's awesome on every Opposite DayMay 09 22:06
Hababaneed secunia stats?May 09 22:06
ender2070nobody uses IEMay 09 22:06
Chips_B_MalroyPlus since MS just gives out its disks that set up the accounts as administrator by default and OEMs install it that way, how can you expect the public to run it any other way?May 09 22:06
Jason^Homeand IE 8 with protected mode got 1/10 of holes compared to ffMay 09 22:06
HababaIE8 got ASLR and DEPMay 09 22:06
Hababaoh rightMay 09 22:06
Hababawer ASLR on linux?May 09 22:06
ender2070Jason^Home - thats becuase most IE users are still runnning 6 on XPMay 09 22:06
Hababacoz VDSO random not liek usablMay 09 22:07
Hababaender2070, MU updates to v8May 09 22:07
Hababaso bad point what most users doMay 09 22:07
ender2070LOLMay 09 22:07
MinceR"our servers were cracked? impossible! they were protected by over 9000 acronyms!"May 09 22:07
ender2070you think average joe uses MU?May 09 22:07
Chips_B_Malroywhich leads to making it very easy to infect.  and if its easy to infect, more will write the infections for it.  So even if you have a somewhat secured windows as a normal users, trojans abound.May 09 22:07
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Hababaender2070, does the average joe run linuxMay 09 22:07
Hababa?May 09 22:07
Jason^Home<ender2070> you think average joe uses MU?May 09 22:07
ender2070ill bet you $100 average windows users dont keep up to dateMay 09 22:08
Jason^Homeaverage non-pirate doesMay 09 22:08
ender2070no average joe doesnt touch linuxMay 09 22:08
Jason^Homecause WU is updated by defaultMay 09 22:08
Jason^Home?May 09 22:08
Chips_B_MalroyMS servers are hacked, defaced oftenMay 09 22:08
Jason^Homeenabled *May 09 22:08
Jason^HomeYESMay 09 22:08
Jason^HomeSUREMay 09 22:08
Jason^HomeLOLMay 09 22:08
Jason^Homeproof where?May 09 22:08
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Jason^Homeand linux totally got professional design toolMay 09 22:08
Jason^Homelike PhotoshopMay 09 22:08
ender2070i still receive xp machines which dont even have SP2 installed, let alone SP3May 09 22:08
Jason^Homeand professional video editing toolsMay 09 22:09
Jason^Homelike premiere pro or after effects or sony vegasMay 09 22:09
Jason^Home?May 09 22:09
ender2070lots of vista machines with no service packsMay 09 22:09
Jason^Homethat's casue you receive machines of piratesMay 09 22:09
Jason^Homenot of legit usersMay 09 22:09
ender2070they arent piratesMay 09 22:09
Jason^Homecause legit windows is like bulletproofMay 09 22:09
ender2070we dont accept themMay 09 22:09
Jason^Homeerm legit users have WU enabled by defaultMay 09 22:09
Jason^Homeso dont bs?May 09 22:09
Jason^Homealso few mins ago you told me a bunch of machines are infected from torrented appsMay 09 22:10
Jason^Home?May 09 22:10
Chips_B_Malroyvast majority of windows users have some app/game on them non-legitMay 09 22:10
ender2070WU enabled usually means, by default it asks them to install an updateMay 09 22:10
Jason^Homethats called "pirates" FYIMay 09 22:10
Jason^Home?May 09 22:10
Jason^Homeno, by default it installs all stuff automatically..May 09 22:10
ender2070noMay 09 22:10
Jason^HomeyesMay 09 22:10
Jason^HomeI installed winxp, winvista and win7 and all doMay 09 22:10
Jason^HomesryMay 09 22:10
Jason^Home?May 09 22:10
ender2070when you install vista or win7 itgives you 3 optionsMay 09 22:10
ender2070auto, ask or offMay 09 22:10
ender2070default is in the middle, on askMay 09 22:10
Jason^Homeyes and default one with (Recommended) badge is autoMay 09 22:10
Jason^HomenoMay 09 22:10
Jason^Homerecommended is on autoMay 09 22:10
Jason^Homeand its in boldMay 09 22:11
Chips_B_Malroy"Jason^Home> thats called "pirates" FYI"  are they taking over ships?May 09 22:11
Jason^HomesryMay 09 22:11
Jason^HomeyesMay 09 22:11
Jason^Homeso funnyMay 09 22:11
Jason^Homeur funy guiMay 09 22:11
ender2070pretty sure its notMay 09 22:11
Jason^Home/mode +funyguy Chips_B_MalroyMay 09 22:11
Jason^Homeender2070, if you never have seen windows install, why do you even open your mouth?May 09 22:11
ender2070regardless, most of my customers dont have it onMay 09 22:11
ender2070they choose askMay 09 22:11
Jason^Homecause only dumfuks would use your servicesMay 09 22:11
Jason^HomeobviouslyMay 09 22:11
ender2070i would never let ms blindly install updates on my pcMay 09 22:12
ender2070they have updates that break stuff ocassionallyMay 09 22:12
Jason^Homeyes cause ur totally smartest security expert and know everythingMay 09 22:12
Jason^Homename me a single one?May 09 22:12
ender2070Jason^Home - ask any business IT professional why they are not using auto updatesMay 09 22:12
ender2070pleaseMay 09 22:12
Jason^Homeall IT professionals I know are using auto updatesMay 09 22:13
ender2070im tired of arguing with your dumbassMay 09 22:13
Jason^Home:<May 09 22:13
Hababano they use WSUSMay 09 22:13
HababarightMay 09 22:13
Jason^Homeim tired of arguing with you, mr. smart who knows everythingMay 09 22:13
Jason^HomeetcMay 09 22:13
ender2070you guys are the trolls here harassing us with stupid windows related questionsMay 09 22:13
Jason^Homeyes cause u totally know everythingMay 09 22:13
HababaI dont tink I posd any questionsMay 09 22:13
kevin0091i would be afraid to leave auto updates on because they can slip in stuff like WGA notifications that waste resourcesMay 09 22:13
Jason^Homeand windows is so totally shitMay 09 22:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @GabrielfSilva: amanhã, com as medidas ilegais aprovadas pela UE de intervenção nos mercados e contramedidas, vai ser dia agitado na bolsaMay 09 22:13
Habababeside retorikal onesMay 09 22:13
Hababa?May 09 22:13
ender2070l2spell ?May 09 22:14
Jason^HomeWGA notifications don't run if first validation successesMay 09 22:14
Jason^HomesryMay 09 22:14
Jason^Home?May 09 22:14
cubezzzender2070, just put them on ignoreMay 09 22:14
ender2070i know mirc is lacking spellcheckMay 09 22:14
Jason^Homeobv isMay 09 22:14
Jason^Home?May 09 22:14
Jason^Homecause all linux irc clients totally have spellcheckMay 09 22:14
cubezzzMinceR should have just kicked them earlierMay 09 22:14
Jason^Home?May 09 22:14
MinceRi was told not toMay 09 22:14
Jason^Homeu guys act like you ran out of argumentsMay 09 22:14
Jason^Home:<May 09 22:14
cubezzzoh ok :)May 09 22:14
Chips_B_Malroy"Jason^Home> all IT professionals I know are using auto updates"  must know a lot, spoken by the guy that does not use antivirusMay 09 22:14
MinceRJason^Home: no, we just got bored of wasting them on youMay 09 22:14
Jason^Homeof course I don't use antivirus, because Windows 7 is secure enough not to use resource wasterMay 09 22:15
HababaI use AppLockerMay 09 22:15
Jason^HomeI use it tooMay 09 22:15
Hababaa virus could not even executeMay 09 22:15
HababasoMay 09 22:15
ender2070blind faithMay 09 22:15
Jason^Homesorry but we know about our systemsMay 09 22:15
ender2070it was designed by humansMay 09 22:15
Jason^Homewhile you cant know anything about yoursMay 09 22:15
ender2070its breakableMay 09 22:15
Jason^Homecause linux is total messMay 09 22:15
cubezzzclosed source guys are too brightMay 09 22:16
Jason^Homeyes unlike youMay 09 22:16
cubezzzthey enjoy enriching BillionairesMay 09 22:16
ender2070security through obscurity theoryMay 09 22:16
ender2070lolMay 09 22:16
Chips_B_Malroythey work for BillMay 09 22:17
Jason^HomeyesMay 09 22:18
Jason^HomeobvMay 09 22:18
Chips_B_Malroyits their paycheck to troll (Linsux)May 09 22:18
Jason^Homeoh waitMay 09 22:18
Jason^Homeits Balmer nowadaysMay 09 22:18
Jason^HomeBallmer *May 09 22:18
Jason^Homew/eMay 09 22:18
Chips_B_MalroyBill is still the Chairman of the Board, and ownes 8% of the stockMay 09 22:18
Chips_B_Malroyyou mean Monkey Boy?May 09 22:19
cubezzzSweaty B is their heroMay 09 22:19
ender2070server2003 and 2008 dont have MU or WU enabled by defaultMay 09 22:19
ender2070why is thatMay 09 22:19
ender2070make another excuseMay 09 22:20
Chips_B_Malroythe guy with the sweaty armpits?May 09 22:20
Chips_B_Malroythe eBallmer?May 09 22:20
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Chips_B_Malroyhe will bury M$May 09 22:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Horns: nobody expects [anti-software patent people] to be turned by 180 degrees after having read the book: http://ur1.ca/zwh8May 09 22:20
Chips_B_Malroylooks like we insulted their god and hero, the B guyMay 09 22:22
Hababasweaty b LOLMay 09 22:22
HababaI didn't know that one yetMay 09 22:22
Chips_B_Malroysorry guys, come back and troll some more for M$May 09 22:22
Hababaender2070, also not trueMay 09 22:23
HababaWU is enabled by defaultMay 09 22:23
Hababait's on the tasks screenMay 09 22:23
Hababait's not run instantly ofcMay 09 22:23
Habababecause if you already got WSUSMay 09 22:23
Chips_B_Malroymaybe you can all convince us to go out and buy Vi$taMay 09 22:23
Hababayou wouldn't want it to sync to ms's update pageMay 09 22:23
Chips_B_MalroylolMay 09 22:23
Hababaand MU would call the EU to v& themMay 09 22:24
Chips_B_MalroyWindows Update is another way of crashing a windows system, I would prefer myself when I used to run windows, to download the updates and install manuallyMay 09 22:25
HababaI sure believe you speak of experience thereMay 09 22:26
Hababaas windows adminMay 09 22:26
Chips_B_Malroyno, I ran as normal (limited) user on XP when I did run itMay 09 22:27
MinceRthe best part of WU is where there are patches hidden in updates that their description doesn't mentionMay 09 22:27
MinceRso you either pick and choose and miss something critical because you weren't toldMay 09 22:27
MinceRor you trust them blindly and let them install whatever they wantMay 09 22:27
Jason^Homemaybe cause you dont browse internets on server OSesMay 09 22:28
Jason^Home?May 09 22:28
Jason^Home<ender2070> server2003 and 2008 dont have MU or WU enabled by defaultMay 09 22:28
Jason^Home<ender2070> why is thatMay 09 22:28
ThistleWebthey may need to patch their dictionary to find a proper definition of "critical"May 09 22:28
ThistleWebWGA = criticalMay 09 22:28
MinceRit's funny how they insist on emphasising that winblows is a _server_ OS :DMay 09 22:28
Chips_B_Malroyalso, because home windows users mostly all run as administrators, the folks that write software for windows, made a lot of apps that need administrator to run May 09 22:28
MinceRmaybe if they say it enough times, it will become true?May 09 22:29
Jason^HomeMinceR, obviously Windows Server 2003 and 2008 and 2008 R2 are server OSesMay 09 22:29
Chips_B_Malroyso a lot of stuff even if you are running as normal/limited user in windows still have to use the run as comand and be administrator to runMay 09 22:29
Jason^Homeif that's not obvious to you then you're dumb, sorryMay 09 22:29
ThistleWebit's stuff like abusing the trust of users with the critical label that makes me think that trusting windows to auto update is insaneMay 09 22:29
MinceRyes, obviouslyMay 09 22:29
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MinceRobviously everything the official m$ marketing material says must be trueMay 09 22:30
Jason^Homename saysMay 09 22:30
Jason^HomesorryMay 09 22:30
Jason^Home?May 09 22:30
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ThistleWebnewspapers often have the word "news" in their title, yet only bear a passing resembelance to a news sourceMay 09 22:30
ThistleWebeven fox news call themselves newsMay 09 22:31
Chips_B_MalroyWindows is the Thypoid Mary of Operating Systems, I made money cleaning out the malware on windows computers.  Its 80 to 90% of the problems of computers brought into repair shops.May 09 22:31
ThistleWebproduct titles mean nothingMay 09 22:31
Jason^Homeyes obviouslyMay 09 22:31
Jason^Homeoh alsoMay 09 22:31
Jason^HomeguysMay 09 22:31
Jason^HomeI am looking for a codec to compress videos from my camera withMay 09 22:31
Jason^Homeany suggestions??May 09 22:32
Chips_B_Malroyaverage user is not going set up normal accounts in windows, and know how to use run asMay 09 22:32
Jason^Homerun as?May 09 22:32
MinceRJason^Home: you've already decided, why bother us?May 09 22:32
Jason^Homeare you 10 years behind?May 09 22:32
Jason^HomeMinceR, nope :/May 09 22:32
Jason^HomeI have to choose between H264 and XvidMay 09 22:32
MinceRbad for youMay 09 22:32
Jason^Homeno, it's good for meMay 09 22:32
Jason^Home:)May 09 22:32
MinceRis it for personal, non-commercial use? :>May 09 22:32
Jason^Home.. obviouslyMay 09 22:33
ender2070its for piracyMay 09 22:33
Jason^Homeender2070, FROM MY CAMERAMay 09 22:33
Jason^HomesryMay 09 22:33
Jason^Home?May 09 22:33
ender2070yeah camrips @ theatresMay 09 22:33
MinceRCAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOLMay 09 22:33
Jason^Homeyes obvMay 09 22:33
Jason^HomeI am ELEKTRI4KA camripperMay 09 22:33
Jason^HomesureMay 09 22:33
Jason^HomeetcMay 09 22:33
Jason^Homeso, H.264 thenMay 09 22:34
ender2070windows users are generally criminalsMay 09 22:34
Jason^Homecause hardware acceleration and best quality to bitrateMay 09 22:34
Jason^Homeender2070, yes, sureMay 09 22:34
ender2070balmer said his biggest competitor was pirated xpMay 09 22:34
Jason^Homethat's why all banking systems use windowsMay 09 22:34
MinceRi'm not sure if that was a good argument there, Jason^Home :>May 09 22:34
ender2070pirated xp exceeds even the mac userbaseMay 09 22:35
ThistleWeblolMay 09 22:35
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Jason^Homeobviously it's more better argument than "zomg h264 is not legal for commercial use zomg"May 09 22:35
Chips_B_Malroy"Jason^Home> run as?"  since you don't know what "run as" is, I conclude you most likely were fibbing about running Windows as a normal user.  My guess is you confuse UAC with a true normal user account.May 09 22:35
Jason^Homewhile it is until 2016May 09 22:35
MinceRJason^Home: i'm not sure if even xvid is legal for commercial use :>May 09 22:35
Jason^HomeChips_B_Malroy, I remember that from good old 10 years old XP timesMay 09 22:35
ThistleWebthats the first time I've heard banking as an endorsement for windowsMay 09 22:35
ThistleWebmy sides are splittingMay 09 22:35
Jason^HomeMinceR, obviously videos I am doing for my friends are commercial useMay 09 22:35
MinceRthough it's interesting that your home videos come without an audio track :>May 09 22:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @achitnis: I wonder whether we should declare June 1st as worldwide "Delete-your-Facebook-account Day" to send FB a messageMay 09 22:35
MinceRnobody forbids you from doing business with your friends.May 09 22:36
Jason^Homethey come with audio track, but obviously it will be uncompressedMay 09 22:36
Jason^Homecause audio takes nothingMay 09 22:36
Jason^Homeor aacMay 09 22:36
Jason^Homebut GOD NO to vorbisMay 09 22:36
MinceRof courseMay 09 22:36
ThistleWebwhy not wmv?May 09 22:36
Chips_B_Malroy"Jason^Home> that's why all banking systems use windows"  No thats why Banking systems that use windows are getting exploited!May 09 22:36
MinceRwmv is a containerMay 09 22:36
ThistleWebyou're clearly never gonna see any other OS than windowsMay 09 22:36
MinceRit goes without saying that he's going to put it in wmvMay 09 22:36
Jason^Homeit's vc-1May 09 22:36
ThistleWebso why not go fully MSMay 09 22:36
Jason^HomeFYIMay 09 22:36
MinceRanything else would be blasphemyMay 09 22:36
Jason^Homealso my netbook runs arch, and my server runs debianMay 09 22:36
Jason^Homeso invalid argumentMay 09 22:36
Jason^Homealso I currently have 2 running Linux VM'sMay 09 22:37
Chips_B_MalroyJason^Home>  doesn't know what "run as" isMay 09 22:37
Jason^Homearch and SLEDMay 09 22:37
MinceRah, the old "i really like linux, but" argumentMay 09 22:37
MinceRit's been worn away to nothing ages ago.May 09 22:37
Jason^HomeI use, not likeMay 09 22:37
Jason^Home-.-May 09 22:37
ender2070banks in canada are mostly still running os/2 and aixMay 09 22:37
MinceRsame thingMay 09 22:37
ender2070even the clientsMay 09 22:37
Jason^Homeender2070, they are SO outdated?May 09 22:37
Jason^Homeawesome.May 09 22:37
MinceRit's better to be outdated than insecure and slow :>May 09 22:37
ender2070os/2 is so much better than windows that they dont need to be replaced as oftenMay 09 22:37
Jason^Homebut well, what else can you expect from country where you have DSL's?May 09 22:37
MinceRand unreliableMay 09 22:37
Jason^Homealso using :> makes you so totally cool, just like using :3May 09 22:38
MinceRoh noes, they dare use DSL in a country!May 09 22:38
ender2070if the os/2 machines were unreliable they would've been replacedMay 09 22:38
MinceRJason^Home: i don't need help to be cool, i'm cool by defaultMay 09 22:38
Chips_B_MalroyOS/2 MinceR was/is more stable than windoseMay 09 22:38
Jason^Homebtw theora is vp3 ripoffMay 09 22:38
Jason^Homeand vp3 is like 2000May 09 22:38
Jason^Homeso uselessMay 09 22:38
ender2070matroska is open sourceMay 09 22:38
MinceRChips_B_Malroy: don't tell me, tell the m$ fanboy hereMay 09 22:38
Jason^Homealso theora is not really patent freeMay 09 22:38
Jason^Homematroska is containerMay 09 22:38
Jason^Homeoh but obviouslyMay 09 22:38
ender2070ogg is a containerMay 09 22:38
Jason^HomeI said theoraMay 09 22:38
Jason^Homenot oggMay 09 22:38
MinceRJason^Home: mpeg la hasn't dared attack theora for yearsMay 09 22:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Last.fm is a good way to drown out the sound of your roomie taking a dump in the open plan hotel room. Just sayin'May 09 22:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rahulsundaram: Unlike #Ubuntu which creates artwork using Apple Mac http://is.gd/c1Gj0 #Fedora artwork is created exclusively by itselfMay 09 22:38
Jason^Homesorry?May 09 22:38
MinceRthere's only FUDMay 09 22:38
Jason^Homecause nobody uses theoraMay 09 22:39
Jason^Homesorry?May 09 22:39
ender2070nobody uses wmvMay 09 22:39
Jason^Homeall porn sites use wmvMay 09 22:39
MinceRnobody uses anything, everMay 09 22:39
Jason^Homeand porn is like 90% of internetsMay 09 22:39
Jason^Homeso, sorry.May 09 22:39
MinceRthis discussion is a figment of our imaginationMay 09 22:39
ThistleWebJason^Home: of course you dont vists any sites that use oggMay 09 22:39
ender2070porn?May 09 22:39
ender2070lolMay 09 22:39
Chips_B_MalroyJason agrues against free theora so we can all pay for the wheel to be reinvented againMay 09 22:39
Jason^Homeender2070, yes, the thing that is 90% of internetMay 09 22:39
Jason^Home:)May 09 22:39
ender2070i guess you need to jerk yourself off not having a gfMay 09 22:39
MinceRdailymotion's beta html5 player uses theora and vorbisMay 09 22:39
Jason^HomeChips_B_Malroy, H.264 is totally free, sorryMay 09 22:39
Jason^Home:(May 09 22:39
ThistleWeb264 is not freeMay 09 22:40
Jason^HomeMinceR, dailymotion is that site with 1 visitor/day?May 09 22:40
ender2070i dont care about pornMay 09 22:40
Jason^Homeit isMay 09 22:40
MinceRJason^Home: if you're so sure, use it for commercial purposesMay 09 22:40
MinceRJason^Home: and get a clue when mpeg la sues youMay 09 22:40
Jason^Homesure willMay 09 22:40
ThistleWeblike any addictive drug they let uit be used free of charge for nowMay 09 22:40
ender2070porn is a scourge to society as wellMay 09 22:40
ThistleWebto get many peeps using itMay 09 22:40
MinceRJason^Home: no, that's bingMay 09 22:40
Jason^Homesorry but until 2016 another superior codec will be madeMay 09 22:40
Jason^Home?May 09 22:40
ThistleWebat that point they send the lawyers in to get the licence feesMay 09 22:40
Jason^HomeseriouslyMay 09 22:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I didn't know that. I'm sad #Ubuntu doesn't promote free software by requesting #artwork to be done with free software...May 09 22:40
kevin0091i for one am glad I don't have a gf... all my time belongs to meMay 09 22:40
MinceRJason^Home: yes, and all video recorded and stored until then will magically re-encode itself to the new codeMay 09 22:41
MinceRcMay 09 22:41
Jason^Homealso they obviously will extend grace periodMay 09 22:41
MinceRobviouslyMay 09 22:41
Jason^HomeMinceR, of course it willMay 09 22:41
Jason^HomeetcMay 09 22:41
ender2070or obviously notMay 09 22:41
MinceRbecause they're so benevolentMay 09 22:41
MinceRand charitableMay 09 22:41
ThistleWebJason^Home: "extend grace period"? which means you are at the mercy of a crorpMay 09 22:41
Jason^HomeyesMay 09 22:41
Jason^HomeverMay 09 22:41
Jason^HomeyMay 09 22:41
Jason^Homehttps://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/1938/May 09 22:41
ThistleWebso why?May 09 22:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Instead, the result is clearly exhibited in the article «Linux is not yet ready to be a practical platform for designers» (bullshit).May 09 22:41
Jason^Homefirefox got so useful addonsMay 09 22:41
MinceRThistleWeb: to him, being at the mercy of a megacorp is the best state to be inMay 09 22:41
ThistleWebtrueMay 09 22:41
ThistleWebseems itMay 09 22:42
ender2070yeahMay 09 22:42
ender2070we all need to rely on apple and ms for formatsMay 09 22:42
ThistleWebwell, have fun with the troll, I'm outa hereMay 09 22:42
Jason^Homehttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4327/ yay another awesome addonMay 09 22:42
Jason^Homebai2uMay 09 22:42
ender2070that way they always plan on linuxMay 09 22:42
ender2070playMay 09 22:42
MinceRJason^Home: stop randomly linking addons, it's boring and pointlessMay 09 22:42
Jason^HomeplzMay 09 22:42
Jason^Homethose are 2 most functional firefox addonsMay 09 22:42
MinceRJason^Home: somehow come to terms that ie has no useful addons, silentlyMay 09 22:42
Jason^Homeso basicallyMay 09 22:42
Jason^Homeuseful for uMay 09 22:43
Jason^HomeIE has a lot of useful addonsMay 09 22:43
MinceRbecause nobody caresMay 09 22:43
Jason^Homeand it's Accelerators feature is uniqueMay 09 22:43
Jason^Homeand awesomeMay 09 22:43
Jason^HomesorryMay 09 22:43
ender2070does IE sandbox each tab seperately yet?May 09 22:43
MinceRso when it is going to get the "supports standard html and css" feature?May 09 22:43
ender2070does IE pass acid3 yet too?May 09 22:43
Jason^Homeacid3 is like draftMay 09 22:44
Jason^Homeso sorryMay 09 22:44
Jason^Home?May 09 22:44
Jason^HomeO GUISMay 09 22:44
ender2070chrome passes itMay 09 22:44
Jason^HomeWE HAVE A DRAFTMay 09 22:44
ender2070so sorryMay 09 22:44
schestowitzLame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Mkd-4_c5c&feature=digestMay 09 22:44
Jason^Homesorry but doesnt changes the fact HTML 5 and CSS 3 are draftsMay 09 22:44
Jason^Home?May 09 22:44
Jason^Homeand not approved standardsMay 09 22:44
MinceRpretty much any mainstream browser always scores higher on all acid tests than ieMay 09 22:44
Jason^Homeso ACID3 basically shitborkMay 09 22:44
MinceRso sorryMay 09 22:44
ender2070IE wont support them till a year after they are finalizedMay 09 22:44
Jason^Homesorry butMay 09 22:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Just added myself to the #amwriting, #writer, #weblit, and #webfiction Twitter lists on http://twibes.comMay 09 22:44
HababaMinceR, IE9 preview does already score 70/100May 09 22:44
Jason^HomeIE supports ALL approved standardsMay 09 22:44
MinceRie won't support them everMay 09 22:44
Hababathe current preview I meanMay 09 22:44
Jason^Homealso e.g. opera fakes acid3May 09 22:45
Jason^Homeso we cant be sure about chrome tooMay 09 22:45
MinceRJason^Home: if you define it as approved by ballmerMay 09 22:45
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Jason^Homeapproved by w3cMay 09 22:45
Jason^Home-.-May 09 22:45
ender2070FUDMay 09 22:45
Chips_B_MalroyI am convertiing another windows user to Linux next weekMay 09 22:45
MinceRthen again, m$ is taking over w3c tooMay 09 22:45
ender2070yeahMay 09 22:45
Jason^HomeChips_B_Malroy, happy for u rlyMay 09 22:45
ender2070ms is taking over w3c, they got Jeff the pro-ms troll from novell in thereMay 09 22:45
Chips_B_Malroyno more windows malware and crashes for that oneMay 09 22:45
MinceRmaybe official html5 and css3 will be "do exactly as ie6 would"May 09 22:45
Jason^HomeyesMay 09 22:46
Jason^HometotallMay 09 22:46
Jason^Homey?May 09 22:46
ender2070all GOOD browsers already support the draft standardsMay 09 22:46
Jason^Homeyes cause draft is totally usefulMay 09 22:47
ender2070yes it isMay 09 22:47
Jason^Homeand websites wont break if drafts will be changedMay 09 22:47
Jason^Home?May 09 22:47
ender2070there may be some slight modifications neededMay 09 22:47
MinceRit's kind of difficult to develop such a standard without working implementations, you knowMay 09 22:47
ender2070better than waiting 2 years before they can even write a line of codeMay 09 22:47
Jason^Homeyes seriouslyMay 09 22:48
ender2070why do you find DRAFT N wifi products out 3 years before Wifi N is finalizedMay 09 22:48
Jason^Homecause draft and final N are SO TOTALLY compatibleMay 09 22:48
Jason^Homewait notMay 09 22:48
ender2070because people serious about the technology or specifications will USE the draftMay 09 22:48
Jason^Homeimplementing things that wont work in mainstream browser (IE 8) is retardedMay 09 22:48
MinceRclaiming that ie8 is the mainstream browser is retardedMay 09 22:48
ender2070IE wont stay there longMay 09 22:48
ender2070IE6 is mainstreamMay 09 22:48
ender2070IE7 and 8 arentMay 09 22:49
Jason^Homesorry butMay 09 22:49
Jason^Homeppl say that since likeMay 09 22:49
Jason^Home1998May 09 22:49
Jason^Homewhen some ver of netscape was releasedMay 09 22:49
ender2070IE6 came out in 2001May 09 22:49
Jason^Homestill thereMay 09 22:49
Jason^Home?May 09 22:49
MinceRie6 is not a browser, it's a backdoor with a guiMay 09 22:49
ender2070dumbass fuckMay 09 22:49
Jason^HomeOH COOLMay 09 22:49
HababaIE7 and 8 have equivalent market shareMay 09 22:49
Jason^HomeWHEN YOU RUN OUT OF ARGUMENTSMay 09 22:49
Jason^HomeU MOVE TO INSULTSMay 09 22:49
Jason^HomeMAKES U SMARTMay 09 22:49
Jason^HomeetcMay 09 22:49
HababaIE6 is going constantly downMay 09 22:49
ender2070and you move to capsMay 09 22:49
Hababaand IE6 is almost 10 years oldMay 09 22:49
HababasoMay 09 22:49
Jason^HomeIE 8 is going constantly upMay 09 22:49
Jason^Home?May 09 22:49
MinceRnote:May 09 22:49
MinceREVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL YOU STILL HAVE TO STEERMay 09 22:49
Jason^HomeyesMay 09 22:49
Jason^HomeveryMay 09 22:49
Jason^Home?May 09 22:49
Jason^HomesoMay 09 22:49
Jason^Home?May 09 22:49
ender2070with the browser ballot, ie will fall even moreMay 09 22:49
Jason^HomeI use Logitech MOMO with force feedbackMay 09 22:50
MinceRJason^Home: please press enter after every letterMay 09 22:50
Jason^Homewat about uMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomeoMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomehMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomesMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomeuMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomerMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomeeMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomeiMay 09 22:50
MinceRand put a '?' line after every such letterMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomewMay 09 22:50
MinceR(don't)May 09 22:50
Jason^HomeiMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomelMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomelMay 09 22:50
Jason^HomekMay 09 22:50
Jason^Home?May 09 22:50
MinceRnow try to type like a creature that has more than 2 neuronsMay 09 22:50
ender2070impossible for himMay 09 22:51
MinceRi know it's challenging for you, but you could at least tryMay 09 22:51
Jason^Homealso why linux doesn't even has working drivers for ATI cardsMay 09 22:51
Jason^Home?May 09 22:51
MinceRbecause ati never caresMay 09 22:51
ender2070fudMay 09 22:51
ender2070ati does have working driversMay 09 22:51
Jason^HomesureMay 09 22:51
Jason^Home?May 09 22:51
ender2070or well, the volunteers doMay 09 22:51
MinceRultimately, it's the hw developer's responsibility to provide driversMay 09 22:51
MinceRif the volunteers do, that's a bonusMay 09 22:51
ender2070ati couldnt be bothered to do it themselves, lazy and cheapMay 09 22:51
ender2070and going out of businessMay 09 22:51
MinceRafaik ati couldn't even code good drivers for windowsMay 09 22:52
ender2070they had to sue and settle with intel to gain enough funds for another couple yearsMay 09 22:52
cubezzzthere's some truth to thatMay 09 22:52
cubezzzbut what are you going to use?May 09 22:52
ender2070intel gfxMay 09 22:52
cubezzzcan you be more specific?May 09 22:53
ender2070intel graphicsMay 09 22:53
MinceRintel gma, except gma 500 and gma 600May 09 22:53
cubezzzOKMay 09 22:53
ender2070they make, provide and support open source driversMay 09 22:53
Jason^Homebut those cards can't do even 1 fps in nexuizMay 09 22:53
MinceR(though i've heard there were troubles with x3### and x4### too, but i'm not sure if that source can be trusted)May 09 22:53
cubezzzwhen I suggested the intel board you didn't seem to think it was very goodMay 09 22:53
ender2070cubezzz - it was oldMay 09 22:54
MinceRactually, gma 950 worked pretty well with ut1 :)May 09 22:54
Jason^Homeit woekd pretty well with asteroids too!May 09 22:54
ender2070the intel cards do very wellMay 09 22:54
ender2070just ignore this FUDerMay 09 22:54
cubezzzI ignored both of them a while agoMay 09 22:54
ender2070if he cant steal games and play them on linux hes not happyMay 09 22:55
MinceRhe doesn't want to play them on linuxMay 09 22:55
MinceRhis idol ballmer wouldn't approveMay 09 22:55
Jason^Home<ender2070> if he cant steal games and play them on linux hes not happyMay 09 22:55
Jason^Homesteal?May 09 22:55
Jason^Homeu srs?May 09 22:55
ender2070he really shouldnt be here at allMay 09 22:55
MinceRagreedMay 09 22:55
Jason^Homehttp://steamcommunity.com/id/shad0www1/games?tab=allMay 09 22:55
Jason^Homesorry but I don't steal gamesMay 09 22:55
MinceRmy hands are tied though :>May 09 22:56
Jason^HomeetcMay 09 22:56
cubezzzbe your own man :)May 09 22:56
MinceRwow, he can link to a random steam profileMay 09 22:56
ender2070yeah lolMay 09 22:56
*MinceR wonders how much time did he take to learn this awesome skillMay 09 22:56
Jason^HomeMinceR, totally randomMay 09 22:56
Jason^Homeoh wait it's mine :(May 09 22:56
kevin0091why does everybody want steam so badly? now the companies can remotely take away your games after you purchase them!May 09 22:56
Jason^HomeI can change name to Jason if you wishMay 09 22:56
MinceRJason^Home: i think the current name reflects you better, actuallyMay 09 22:56
Jason^Homeyes it doesMay 09 22:57
Jason^HomeetcMay 09 22:57
cubezzzfortunately we don't see those types on #coreboot or ##amigaMay 09 22:57
kevin0091i only buy games from gog.com or from the used market nowMay 09 22:57
ender2070Counter-Strike: Source - 216.9 hrs on recordMay 09 22:57
ender2070why dont you get a life? ur too 1337 for usMay 09 22:57
HababalolMay 09 22:57
MinceRCS is for losers :>May 09 22:57
Jason^HomeMinceR, no, it's not for youMay 09 22:57
Jason^Homesorry :(May 09 22:57
MinceRagreed, it's not for me, it's for losersMay 09 22:57
MinceRlike i said aboveMay 09 22:57
Jason^HomeermMay 09 22:58
Jason^Homefirst you say it's for youMay 09 22:58
Jason^Homethen you say it's not for you, but for you.May 09 22:58
Jason^HomeI miss the logic.May 09 22:58
Jason^Homek, going to sleep now, bye guys-who-never-have-valid arguments :* will be back tomorrow ofcMay 09 22:58
MinceRno, i said it's for losers. i didn't say it's for meMay 09 22:58
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ender2070by communistMay 09 22:58
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cubezzzwhy so many bans? :)May 09 23:06
Hababaoh lol Jason^Home is already on the b& listMay 09 23:07
MinceRwhich one is he?May 09 23:07
Hababathe one who is 6 times on itMay 09 23:08
Hababa:DMay 09 23:08
Hababaoh andMay 09 23:08
HababaLeroy = cXhristianMay 09 23:08
Hababathat is double as wellMay 09 23:08
Hababadunno the restMay 09 23:08
cubezzzI saw 80.232.252.103May 09 23:08
schestowitzNymshifters May 09 23:08
schestowitz<ThistleWeb> newspapers often have the word "news" in their title, yet only bear a passing resembelance to a news source         >> well, some call USENET groups "newsgroups"May 09 23:09
*schestowitz removes ban on Leroy!*@*May 09 23:09
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Hababano clue who the others were thoMay 09 23:09
cubezzzIP from LatviaMay 09 23:09
schestowitzSame people, different nymsMay 09 23:09
MinceRthere was a couple of MutexesMay 09 23:09
schestowitzAbusive trolls who attack people and flood the channel with bot attacksMay 09 23:10
cubezzzhaven't seen mutex in quite a whileMay 09 23:10
MinceRi don't miss himMay 09 23:10
schestowitzcubezzz: many of the bans above are hisMay 09 23:10
Hababaonly the Shd onesMay 09 23:10
schestowitzHe also used proxiesMay 09 23:10
Hababa( afaik )May 09 23:10
schestowitzThen called me names... vulgar ones tooMay 09 23:10
cubezzzhmmm, we are publicly loggedMay 09 23:11
cubezzzyou would think that would make people a bit more carefulMay 09 23:11
MinceRpeople in general, yesMay 09 23:11
MinceRkids that go around trolling with m$-apologist bullshit wouldn'tMay 09 23:11
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TechrightsHello World!May 09 23:12
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Hababadid you fix the spam bug btw?May 09 23:12
*schestowitz has kicked Hababa from #boycottnovell (User term)May 09 23:12
MinceR:DMay 09 23:12
cubezzzfinallyMay 09 23:12
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schestowitzThe banlist doesn't feel empty anymoreMay 09 23:13
cubezzzdoesn't he have anything better to do?May 09 23:13
schestowitzStarting afreshMay 09 23:13
schestowitzThese are the same old trolls with new nymsMay 09 23:13
schestowitzI expect them to send a flooder nowMay 09 23:13
MinceRthen we should kickban them right off the batMay 09 23:13
MinceRinstead of entertaining them half the dayMay 09 23:13
schestowitzYeahMay 09 23:13
schestowitzNotice how he came together with the flooderMay 09 23:14
schestowitzHe was here beforeMay 09 23:14
MinceRgnMay 09 23:15
schestowitzOr maybe that was him (using the freenode gateway)May 09 23:15
cubezzzlaterMay 09 23:15
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*schestowitz gives channel operator status to cubezzzMay 09 23:15
schestowitzI'm gonna do some posts nowMay 09 23:15
*MinceR blesses cubezzz's banhammerMay 09 23:15
schestowitzMicrosoft exodus first...May 09 23:15
cubezzzlolMay 09 23:15
schestowitzI've used up all the pictures of sinking shipsMay 09 23:16
schestowitzThe free ones anywayMay 09 23:16
schestowitzI'll try MediaWikiMay 09 23:16
schestowitzThe ships are like the chorusMay 09 23:17
schestowitzRecognisable sign... we've had like 30 ship photos in BNMay 09 23:17
schestowitzOh wait...May 09 23:17
schestowitzBPMay 09 23:17
schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=ship+sink&go=GoMay 09 23:18
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MinceR:DMay 09 23:18
cubezzzimagine people insulting me for having a long lasting computer :)May 09 23:18
cubezzzI mean that's just lameMay 09 23:18
cubezzzI paid a lot of $$$ for this Tyan boardMay 09 23:19
Chips_B_MalroyMutex was LinsuxMay 09 23:20
cubezzzthat guy is just a sociopathMay 09 23:20
schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_Navy_050628-N-8772M-005_The_stern_of_the_amphibious_assault_ship_USS_Peleliu_%28LHA_5%29_sinks_into_the_waters_of_the_Pacific_Ocean_as_the_well_deck_opens.jpgMay 09 23:20
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schestowitzUnited States Navy  has many public domain photos for meMay 09 23:21
schestowitzI'm creeating a new directory called "Ships"May 09 23:21
ender2070perhaps you should use that famous downed communist blimpMay 09 23:22
ender2070not just shipsMay 09 23:22
cubezzzuse the Hindenburg :)May 09 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I wonder if Karl Marx was predicting Vista/7 when he said "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." #microsoft #mvp ;)May 09 23:22
ender2070the hindenburgMay 09 23:22
ender2070yeahMay 09 23:23
ender2070:)May 09 23:23
ender2070perfect with the karl marx quoteMay 09 23:23
ender2070LOLMay 09 23:23
cubezzzender2070, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Intel made any video cardsMay 09 23:23
ender2070not physical 'cards'May 09 23:23
cubezzzthey seem to be integrated with the motherboardMay 09 23:23
ender2070integrated graphics chipsetsMay 09 23:24
cubezzzok, so what would be a good integrated graphic chipset or mobo?May 09 23:24
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20004509-37.html  Report: Apple developing a Flash alternativeMay 09 23:24
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cubezzzsince the DG45FC isn't good...May 09 23:25
ender2070what are you looking forMay 09 23:25
ender2070the DG945FC is fucking OLDMay 09 23:25
cubezzzsomething with an open video driver and coreboot supportMay 09 23:26
ender2070it came out like 5 years agoMay 09 23:26
cubezzzor even just open video driver on it's ownMay 09 23:26
cubezzzFSF seem to like ATIMay 09 23:26
ender2070odd that they doMay 09 23:26
ender2070Intel funds more open source than AMD/ATIMay 09 23:27
cubezzzok, the nouveau guys pointed me here:May 09 23:27
cubezzzhttp://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.htmlMay 09 23:27
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cubezzzis there anything on that list you like?May 09 23:27
ender2070quite a fewMay 09 23:28
ender2070anything above the G35May 09 23:28
cubezzzokMay 09 23:29
ender2070thats the oldest good intel chipsetMay 09 23:29
ender2070im running a p35 board myselfMay 09 23:29
ender2070which is the same thing minus the integrated graphicsMay 09 23:29
cubezzzok, so a laptop with GM45 would be decent thenMay 09 23:29
ender2070i use nvidiaMay 09 23:29
ender2070yeahMay 09 23:29
cubezzzI've been reading the coreboot tutorials, they all recommend a bios saver firstMay 09 23:33
cubezzzseems like no one in Canada sells themMay 09 23:33
ender2070just get your board brand new from canada computersMay 09 23:33
ender2070their techs are noobs they wont know what you didMay 09 23:33
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2010-05-06-editorial06_ST_N.htmMay 09 23:34
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ender2070Chips_B_Malroy - interesting but i've already heard about the US economy's inevitable crashMay 09 23:34
cubezzzdidn't it crash already?May 09 23:34
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.wcbs880.com/Mixed-Bag/6993316May 09 23:34
TechrightsTitle: April Unemployment Report Is A Mixed Bag - WCBS NEWSRADIO 880  .::. Size~: 46.11 KBMay 09 23:35
cubezzzI thought things were getting betterMay 09 23:35
ender2070it didnt crash hard enoughMay 09 23:35
ender2070they'll try harder next timeMay 09 23:35
cubezzzender2070, do you know about these axiom video cards for laptops?May 09 23:36
Chips_B_Malroynot sure how it can be a mixed bag, when the official unemployment rate went from 9.7 to 9.9%.  and 66,000 of those new jobs were census takers who will be out of work soonMay 09 23:36
ender2070axiom? noMay 09 23:36
cubezzzI think it's an ATI thingMay 09 23:36
cubezzzsome folks are able to upgrade the video cards in their laptopsMay 09 23:36
Chips_B_MalroySorry to be all doom and gloomMay 09 23:36
ender2070its okay ChipsMay 09 23:37
cubezzzwe need some good news too :)May 09 23:37
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schestowitzSo many ships.... from WW2 and beforehandMay 09 23:37
ender2070chips_b_malroy - i know alot of scarier thingsMay 09 23:38
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/can-us-avoid-european-contagionMay 09 23:38
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cubezzzok, WW1 was pretty scaryMay 09 23:39
ender2070people should be worried about the IMFMay 09 23:39
cubezzzmustard gas? trench warfare?May 09 23:39
schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ARA_Belgrano_sinking.jpgMay 09 23:39
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ender2070cubezzz - mustard gas isnt scary anymore, i got a childrens chemistry book which has a solution for itMay 09 23:39
schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HIJMS_Tomozuru-1945.jpgMay 09 23:39
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://hothardware.com/News/ExoPC-Brings-Windows-7-To-116-Tablet/  someone made a 5 hour windows7 tablet?May 09 23:40
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cubezzzplus all the diseases the soldiers got in the trenches, nasty stuffMay 09 23:40
ender2070high tech: pour amonia into a rag and breathe, low tech: piss in a rag and breatheMay 09 23:40
schestowitz"During the Allied invasion of Sicily the SS Robert Rowan (Liberty ship K-40) explodes after being hit by a Ju 88 German bomber off of Gela, Sicily (Italy), on (11 July 1943)." http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SC180476.jpgMay 09 23:41
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schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Panay_sinking_after_Japanese_air_attack.jpgMay 09 23:41
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cubezzzToshiba Satellite looks good, it has intel GM45 May 09 23:41
schestowitzPerfect for MicrosoftMay 09 23:42
schestowitzIt's Red.May 09 23:42
schestowitzIt's ExplorerMay 09 23:42
cubezzzafter oiahm (sp?) told me 3.5" disks only last 7 years it's got me worriedMay 09 23:42
schestowitzOops. THis one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Explorer-sinking-2.jpgMay 09 23:42
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schestowitzNovember 1915(1915-11) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Endurance_Final_Sinking.jpgMay 09 23:43
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cubezzzthe silly thing is... Stallman doesn't even really like his LemoteMay 09 23:43
cubezzzyou know why?May 09 23:43
cubezzzthe keyboard is small and the screen is tiny :)May 09 23:43
cubezzzI think I could find a better alternativeMay 09 23:44
ender2070http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704370704575228164133105390.html?mod=WSJ_business_EconomyNewsBucketMay 09 23:44
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ender2070http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269587/Crisis-crisis-EU-demands-7bn-Britain-member-states.htmlMay 09 23:45
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schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Saratoga_versinkt_im_Pazifik.jpgMay 09 23:46
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schestowitzender2070: yeah...May 09 23:46
ender2070http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/05/uk-budget-deficit-worse-than-greeceMay 09 23:46
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schestowitzUK might need a loanMay 09 23:46
schestowitzInstead it is being chargedMay 09 23:46
schestowitzender2070: beat me to itMay 09 23:46
ender2070and chila will earn 7 billionMay 09 23:46
ender2070china*May 09 23:47
schestowitzThese pictures are depressing... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_POPE_propag_pic.jpgMay 09 23:47
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schestowitzThink of all the people who drowned in these boatsMay 09 23:47
cubezzzsometimes I wonder does any country have a surplus?May 09 23:47
schestowitzOr blown to pieces by the explosionsMay 09 23:47
cubezzzmaybe China and GermanyMay 09 23:48
ender2070cubezzz - I think they all owe the world bank/IMF somethingMay 09 23:48
schestowitzWatch the size of this thing: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_West_Virginia_sunk-Pearl_Harbor-7Dec41.jpgMay 09 23:49
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schestowitzit's mostly submergedMay 09 23:49
ender2070http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/7662840/Rioting-Greeks-throw-petrol-bombs-at-police.htmlMay 09 23:49
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schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Burmah_Agate.jpgMay 09 23:50
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schestowitz"On November 1, 1979, the Burmah Agate collided with the freighter Mimosa southeast of Galveston Entrance in the Gulf of Mexico. An estimated 2.6 million gallons of oil was released into the environment; another 7.8 million gallons was consumed by the fire onboard."May 09 23:50
schestowitzThe BP disaster just did about 200k gallons. maybe per dayMay 09 23:50
schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Explosion_of_the_battleship_Yamato.jpg "April 1945 Smoke rises to the clouds shortly after the Japanese battleship Yamato capsized, exploded and sank after receiving many bomb and torpedo hits from U.S. Navy carrier planes north of Okinawa, 7 April 1945. Escorting destroyers are visible to the left of the smoke."May 09 23:51
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ender2070people should be watching greeceMay 09 23:51
ender2070stuff like that is going to happen everywhereMay 09 23:51
cubezzzyikesMay 09 23:52
ender2070"Union leaders are hopeful that the May Day protests will highlight Greek resistance to the wage cuts, tax rises and pension reductions expected to be implemented."May 09 23:52
ender2070lolMay 09 23:52
kevin0091just edited my first PKGBUILD and am now compiling on arch linuxMay 09 23:52
ender2070"greek resistance" = "petrol bombs"May 09 23:52
schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Oscar_Austin_%28DDG_79%29_fires_at_the_ex-USS_Conolly_%28DD-979%29.jpgMay 09 23:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] 5* ♺ @celso: Mark Cuban on Wall Street. "The best analogy for traders ? They are (black hat) hackers." http://30hq.sl.ptMay 09 23:53
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schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oriskany_submerged.jpgMay 09 23:54
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ender2070In economics, austerity is when a national government reduces its spending in order to pay back creditors. Austerity is usually required when a government's fiscal deficit spending is felt to be unsustainable.May 09 23:55
ender2070Development projects, welfare programs and other social spending are common areas of spending for cuts. In many countries, austerity measures have been associated with short-term standard of living declines until economic conditions improved once fiscal balance was achieved (such as in the United Kingdom under Margaret Thatcher, Canada under Jean Chrétien, and Spain under González).May 09 23:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @ruiseabra 5* ♺ @celso: Mark Cuban on Wall Street. "The best analogy for traders ? They are (black hat) hackers." http://30hq.sl.ptMay 09 23:55
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ender2070http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/04/is-plan-to-replace-dollar-with-sdrs-and.htmlMay 09 23:56
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schestowitzphoto the submarine USS Grunion http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Grunion_%28SS_216%29.jpgMay 09 23:57
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Chips_B_Malroythey are projecting Greece economy to decline 3.5% next year.  When you consider how bad things already are thereMay 09 23:57
schestowitzThese are probably costing about $300,000,000 to make these dauMay 09 23:57
schestowitz*daysMay 09 23:57
schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_William_D._Porter_%28DD-579%29_sinking.jpg "May 09 23:58
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schestowitzUSS William D. Porter (DD-579) sinking.jpgMay 09 23:58
schestowitzUSS William D. Porter (DD-579) sinking after she was near-missed by a "Kamikaze" suicide aircraft off Okinawa, 10 June 1945. USS LCS-86 and another LCS are alongside, taking off her crew. Though not actually hit by the enemy plane, William D. Porter received fatal underwater damage from the near-by explosion.May 09 23:58
Chips_B_Malroyone of the links was talking about the US getting its credit rating reduces if it keeps borrowingMay 09 23:58
schestowitz[Support ships are USS LCS(L)(3)-86 and USS LCS(L)(3)-122 behind]May 09 23:58
schestowitzA friend of mine was born 3 days after ww2 endedMay 09 23:59
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: give it to Moody'sMay 09 23:59
schestowitzIt puts AAA on everything if you bribe them enoughMay 09 23:59

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