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| ThistleWeb | not to be confused with a male's vagina | Jul 20 00:11 |
| MinceR | gn | Jul 20 00:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] True Blood is now ending each episode with some massive awesomeness of oldies selection... | Jul 20 00:12 | |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: men don't own their wives | Jul 20 00:13 |
| schestowitz | If that's what you meant with that joke | Jul 20 00:13 |
| ThistleWeb | no, lol, it was pointing out that the only gender with vaginas are females | Jul 20 00:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @bkuhn: It's confirmed #Motorola Droid-X #android #linux device is crypto-locked-down ur1.ca/0pis5 Boycott Motorola buy #Google N1 instead | Jul 20 00:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @fabsh LOL ♻ @x1101 @fabsh Russia got the #Windows7 source because they have a picture of #Ballmer running #Linux | Jul 20 00:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Lol, #microsoft is still pimping the #kin even after they've killed it: http://tinyurl.com/ycprwth #fail | Jul 20 00:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/windows_or_ubuntu?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs | Jul 20 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 20 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | Don't choose Ubuntu | Jul 20 00:32 |
| schestowitz | What's wrong with your line? | Jul 20 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | you'll be happier with Windows | Jul 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | says Dell | Jul 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz | WINDOWS all CAPS? | Jul 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Why so angry? | Jul 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | "UBUNTU is not a Microsoft Windows operating system - and is not compatible with Microsoft Office programs - so it's important you make the right choice:" | Jul 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | THE RIGHT CHOICE GODDAMMIT!!! | Jul 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz | "You are interested in open source programming" | Jul 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz | AH OK | Jul 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | THE RIGHT ONE!!! | Jul 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Not for my mom then | Jul 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz | She's not a programmer | Jul 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz | It's just for Hobbyists^TM........... | Jul 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, it's just a toy | Jul 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | go back to Windows | Jul 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz | AT least they make Linux look good visually | Jul 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz | No faeces-themed Linux | Jul 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | the Shiki themes look good in GNOME | Jul 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why Ubuntu has to look like ass by default | Jul 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz | They show "WINDOWS" X-Pee versus #2 (Ubuntu brown) | Jul 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Both toilet ugly | Jul 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | They should show a nice netbook KDE distro | Jul 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | KDE for devices looks near | Jul 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and the second one is one of those niche netbook Ubuntu variants | Jul 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | With panels, plasmoids, etc | Jul 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | yuck | Jul 20 00:36 |
| cubevector | don't support Dell | Jul 20 00:37 |
| cubevector | buy upscale parts and build your own | Jul 20 00:37 |
| cubevector | lately the power supplies with cheap systems have been terrible | Jul 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Jul 18 09:34:06 <DaemonFC>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/17/BA4Q1EG2UJ.DTL | Jul 20 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Jul 18 09:34:07 <TechrightsBot>Title: Search warrant dropped in Gizmodo iPhone case .::. Size~: 106.95 KB | Jul 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | How gracious | Jul 20 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, when you run a 200 watt OEM power supply at 110%, it usually doesn't last long | Jul 20 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | *cough* DELL!!!! | Jul 20 00:38 |
| schestowitz | All over a faulty phone | Jul 20 00:38 |
| cubevector | 500 watt for me, Cooler Master | Jul 20 00:38 |
| schestowitz | http://danzigercartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/dancolor4427.jpg | Jul 20 00:38 |
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| cubevector | not that I need a lot of wattage | Jul 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | I have a 300 watt psu | Jul 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | it runs a pretty mean system | Jul 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | AMD is much more power efficient than Intel/Nvidia | Jul 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'd need at least a 500 watt PSU to run an equivalent system with Intel/Nvidia stuff | Jul 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | and about another $300 | Jul 20 00:40 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/42110809#notice-42404032 "@schestowitz Ohhh... I don't know what to say... It's like Siemon Wiesenthal defending Dr. Mengele... Merciful Jesus..." | Jul 20 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | Whoa | Jul 20 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Strong analogy for Mono-Florian | Jul 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | sweet zombie Jesus!!! | Jul 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | What would White Jesus have to say about this? | Jul 20 00:40 |
| cubevector | DaemonFC, do you get RTV? | Jul 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm? | Jul 20 00:40 |
| cubevector | just curious | Jul 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | what's that? | Jul 20 00:40 |
| cubevector | Retro TV, old shows | Jul 20 00:41 |
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| cubevector | 2.3 on my set | Jul 20 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | RTV doesn't sound like White Jesus approved TV | Jul 20 00:41 |
| cubevector | ummm | Jul 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele | Jul 20 00:41 |
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| DaemonFC | "We're not a group of racist, religiously motivated people" | Jul 20 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | Oh? Then where are all the non-white non-Christian people? | Jul 20 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | Are they having their separate but equal Tea rally tomorrow? | Jul 20 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 00:42 |
| cubevector | actually the star on one show is Native American | Jul 20 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | "Quick, someone find a nigger to prop up, right quick!" | Jul 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | Enter Michael Steele.... | Jul 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh shit, here we go!!!" | Jul 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | "He's ruining what's left of the party! We have to keep him cause we'd look bad if we got rid of him now and put a white guy there!" | Jul 20 00:46 |
| schestowitz | It's like when Glenn Beck brought black people to his show | Jul 20 00:46 |
| cubevector | ok, the Glenn Beck reference is lost on me | Jul 20 00:47 |
| schestowitz | http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907230040 | Jul 20 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-beck-gets-ask-dumb-white-guy-q | Jul 20 00:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Glenn Beck gets to ask dumb white-guy questions to a room full of black conservatives | Crooks and Liars .::. Size~: 119.49 KB | Jul 20 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Watch the second one | Jul 20 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like they had a lot of competent black Republicans to choose from | Jul 20 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | Michael Steele was probably the only token black guy they could have picked | Jul 20 00:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Ne9t6tsXo | Jul 20 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | Glen and his 'homies' | Jul 20 00:49 |
| *DaemonFC gives schestowitz 40 acres and a mule | Jul 20 00:49 | |
| cubevector | another Rush basically? | Jul 20 00:49 |
| cubevector | worse/better? | Jul 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&q=seinfeld++black+people&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | Jul 20 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/ | Jul 20 00:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: "Kramer's" Racist Tirade -- Caught on Tape | TMZ.com .::. Size~: 92.36 KB | Jul 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Watch the Mel Gibson photo at the bottom | Jul 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 20 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | well you know those jewish bitches in heat | Jul 20 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | they bring it on themselves when they get raped by packs of niggers | Jul 20 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | Mel Gibson says that and he's Jesus | Jul 20 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | so I guess it's true | Jul 20 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Bad Aussie export | Jul 20 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Like Murdoch | Jul 20 00:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Dell dares to speak out? Time for Microsoft to slap them down? http://tinyurl.com/34bwxb5 #ubuntu #canonical #microsoft #dell #fail | Jul 20 00:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody some links you post have tracking cruft appended to them, e.g. "utm_source..." > I suggest removing the tracking parts | Jul 20 01:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer RT @jamie_love Apparently Luc Devigne is out as head #acta negotiator for EU. | this is good news.>can he still look @mirror? | Jul 20 01:09 | |
| cubevector | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16559/can_windows_kill_the_internet | Jul 20 01:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer @glynmoody it is good. Luc Devignes arrogance didnt help, now more possibilities for more common sense. | Jul 20 01:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody you don't think he's [Luc Devignes] been fired because he wasn't tough enough with US over geographical indications? #acta | Jul 20 01:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer @jerezim Transcription/wikification of the #ACTA 20100713 leaked text is complete! (with color, etc.) http://ur1.ca/0ow4l <3 | Jul 20 01:15 | |
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| cubevector | that lnk exploit looks nasty | Jul 20 01:17 |
| schestowitz | glyn's? | Jul 20 01:19 |
| cubevector | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols' blog | Jul 20 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 20 01:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody RT @ DaHammerstein @jamie_love Luc Devigne being out could mean waning enthusiasm in EC for #ACTA amidst growing opposition | Jul 20 01:24 | |
| ender2070 | you guys lie so much about vista | Jul 20 01:25 |
| ender2070 | fedora, ubuntu, opensuse all need 512mb of ram right? | Jul 20 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Windows-7-Is-Superior-to-OS-X-Linux-and-to-All-Platforms-148168.shtml | Jul 20 01:25 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft: Windows 7 Is Superior to OS X, Linux, and to All Platforms - 9 out of 10 people choose Windows PCs - Softpedia .::. Size~: 51.35 KB | Jul 20 01:25 |
| ender2070 | well | Jul 20 01:25 |
| cubevector | I assume not | Jul 20 01:26 |
| ender2070 | vista only requires 512mb too | Jul 20 01:26 |
| ender2070 | :P | Jul 20 01:26 |
| ender2070 | and 800mhz | Jul 20 01:26 |
| cubevector | I'm running 384 meg on this box | Jul 20 01:26 |
| ender2070 | and a 128mb video card for areo | Jul 20 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Jul 20 01:26 |
| cubevector | even less on the other boxes | Jul 20 01:26 |
| ender2070 | way lower than linsuxx | Jul 20 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | cubevector and his 486 prefer Vista | Jul 20 01:26 |
| cubevector | lol | Jul 20 01:26 |
| cubevector | that's the funniest thing I've heard all day | Jul 20 01:26 |
| ender2070 | you like video games | Jul 20 01:26 |
| ender2070 | vista ultimate! | Jul 20 01:26 |
| cubevector | Vista Extra Bloat Edition, no one actually has enough ram to run it | Jul 20 01:27 |
| cubevector | it's a bad joke I know | Jul 20 01:27 |
| ender2070 | sequel server? | Jul 20 01:27 |
| cubevector | I've proven I can run X with Linux 2.2 on 16 megs of ram | Jul 20 01:28 |
| cubevector | the linsuxx guys can chew on that | Jul 20 01:28 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Sequel Server? Sounds awesome | Jul 20 01:30 | |
| cubevector | man it's not even debatable | Jul 20 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | cubevector was real close to throwing his 486 away | Jul 20 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | because Linux needs an i686 now | Jul 20 01:31 |
| cubevector | no | Jul 20 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | but Windows Vista still supports it | Jul 20 01:31 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 20 01:31 |
| cubevector | arrrgh | Jul 20 01:31 |
| ender2070 | no it doesn't | Jul 20 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | and with Windows 7 it's like a whole new machine | Jul 20 01:31 |
| ender2070 | 800mhz | Jul 20 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | 1993 all over again | Jul 20 01:31 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 20 01:32 |
| cubevector | Kevin Turner, Microsoft Chief Operating Officer, can suck it | Jul 20 01:32 |
| cubevector | a paid lair | Jul 20 01:32 |
| cubevector | a modern day wormtongue | Jul 20 01:32 |
| ender2070 | anyways ill relog in later, gonna go to windows 7 ultimate and play some games | Jul 20 01:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows 7 supports writing 320K 5 1/4" floppies straight from ISO | Jul 20 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | making it cubevector's platform of choice | Jul 20 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 01:34 |
| cubevector | the joke is on you | Jul 20 01:34 |
| cubevector | I'm not kidding at all about what I can do | Jul 20 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | when cubevector hooks up his Disney Sound Source to LPT1, WIndows 7 has his back | Jul 20 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's more than you can say for Linux | Jul 20 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | which throws perfectly good hardware under the bus all the time | Jul 20 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | hardware in its prime even | Jul 20 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | like 3dfx Voodoo cards | Jul 20 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | which Windows 7 runs at optimal efficiency | Jul 20 01:35 |
| cubevector | it's all a sick game | Jul 20 01:36 |
| cubevector | make a new windows, buy a new PC | Jul 20 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | cubevector enjoys the peace of mind that Windows 7 Ultimate Bitlocker brings | Jul 20 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | it encrypted his whole 100 MB hard drive | Jul 20 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | and didn't even need a TPM | Jul 20 01:37 |
| cubevector | no TPM on old hardware | Jul 20 01:37 |
| cubevector | wow, today was a bust | Jul 20 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | cubevector was prepared to go find a TPM to hook up to LPT2 | Jul 20 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | but he didn't have to | Jul 20 01:37 |
| cubevector | people are so defeatist, they just roll over to Microsoft with nary a fight | Jul 20 01:38 |
| cubevector | they are weak | Jul 20 01:38 |
| cubevector | they don't really care | Jul 20 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Jul 19 00:55:22 -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Cheers to the National Tea Party Federation for kicking out not only the racist but his entire group! http://is.gd/dxohd | Jul 20 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | Jul 19 00:54:59 <cubezzz>I only have one Arm machine < that just sounds wrong | Jul 20 01:40 |
| *DaemonFC gives MinceR a free copy of Windows 7 Penultimate Edition | Jul 20 01:40 | |
| DaemonFC | it has everything but the Hungarian language pack | Jul 20 01:40 |
| schestowitz | it's 3am in .hu | Jul 20 01:40 |
| cubevector | I did say I have 3 arm routers though :) | Jul 20 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's 8:35 PM here | Jul 20 01:41 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: it's not an arm | Jul 20 01:41 |
| schestowitz | the router is just excited to see you | Jul 20 01:41 |
| cubevector | wow, Monday is comedy night in #boycottnovell :) | Jul 20 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | cubevector, enjoys how .NET interprets modern applications into a format his 486 understands | Jul 20 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | :D\ | Jul 20 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Jul 19 01:22:13 <cubezzz>on DistroWatch Ubuntu is number one | Jul 20 01:43 |
| cubevector | you can imagine how popular I am in computer stores | Jul 20 01:43 |
| schestowitz | And according to the polls, most people think the opposite of you, therefore you are wrong | Jul 20 01:43 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 20 01:43 |
| cubevector | I'm not wrong, I just don't go with the flow | Jul 20 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Marius Oiaga, the Microsoft liar and shill: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Windows-7-Is-Superior-to-OS-X-Linux-and-to-All-Platforms-148168.shtml | Jul 20 01:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft: Windows 7 Is Superior to OS X, Linux, and to All Platforms - 9 out of 10 people choose Windows PCs - Softpedia .::. Size~: 51.34 KB | Jul 20 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Still that same lie of his | Jul 20 01:44 |
| schestowitz | It's embarrassing for SoftPedia | Jul 20 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tgdaily.com/security-features/50724-microsoft-initiates-zero-day-vulnerability-probe | Jul 20 01:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft initiates zero-day vulnerability probe | TG Daily .::. Size~: 47.4 KB | Jul 20 01:45 |
| cubevector | quoting Kevin Turner, Microsoft Chief Operating Officer though | Jul 20 01:45 |
| schestowitz | KIN Kids | Jul 20 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Turner is from Walmart | Jul 20 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Anti-Linux red* | Jul 20 01:46 |
| cubevector | didn't Walmart sell Linux computers? | Jul 20 01:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+turner&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl= | Jul 20 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | cubevector: I think before he became COO | Jul 20 01:47 |
| cubevector | a paid liar, like I said | Jul 20 01:47 |
| cubevector | probably he doesn't even believe the crap he spews | Jul 20 01:47 |
| cubevector | there's no choice in the market | Jul 20 01:50 |
| cubevector | you go to the store, and it's all windows and a little bit of OS X | Jul 20 01:50 |
| cubevector | so this garbage about people choosing windows when they don't even get a real choice at all | Jul 20 01:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @mkapor: Novelist Gary Shteyngart likens Fox News to Pravda, calls it party line without a party http://nyti.ms/bIJFek | Jul 20 01:51 | |
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| cubevector | what really bothers me is you can't buy a blank computer | Jul 20 01:52 |
| cubevector | make blank an option | Jul 20 01:52 |
| cubevector | blank desktop, blank laptop, blank everything | Jul 20 01:52 |
| cubevector | so I sort of do that by buying used | Jul 20 01:53 |
| cubevector | or I can sell them used with whatever | Jul 20 01:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | erm | Jul 20 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant? | Jul 20 01:54 |
| *Diablo-D3 has never bought an OS. | Jul 20 01:54 | |
| cubevector | Diablo-D3, at the chain stores | Jul 20 01:54 |
| cubevector | Stapes/best Buy etc | Jul 20 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | who the fuck does that? | Jul 20 01:54 |
| cubevector | well quite a few folks | Jul 20 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck would you go to a STORE and buy a computer? | Jul 20 01:55 |
| cubevector | not us of course | Jul 20 01:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | how the fuck do you get what you want? | Jul 20 01:55 |
| cubevector | you never bought an OS? Are you sure? | Jul 20 01:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | very sure. | Jul 20 01:55 |
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| cubevector | no Atari ST, Amiga, or brand system with MS DOS? | Jul 20 01:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope. | Jul 20 01:56 |
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| cubevector | ah, so what was your 1st computer? | Jul 20 01:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | one that was given to me. | Jul 20 01:58 |
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| cubevector | well I bought AmigaDOS 1.2 | Jul 20 02:00 |
| cubevector | but it wasn't separately | Jul 20 02:00 |
| cubevector | then there was the rom upgrade, 2.01 | Jul 20 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | I have to wonder what schestowitz was expecting out of Mexican .NET | Jul 20 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | Mono could have turned out worse :P | Jul 20 02:01 |
| cubevector | pretty sure I bought MS DOS 3.3 at one point | Jul 20 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | DOS ftw | Jul 20 02:01 |
| cubevector | this was when 3.5" was "new" | Jul 20 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne_(web_browser) | Jul 20 02:01 |
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| cubevector | IBM PCs had IBM DOS of course | Jul 20 02:02 |
| cubevector | plus I had to buy compilers | Jul 20 02:02 |
| cubevector | I can remember Stallman posting on usenet in the early 90's | Jul 20 02:04 |
| cubevector | even before that he got attacked a lot | Jul 20 02:05 |
| cubevector | "Communist" | Jul 20 02:05 |
| cubevector | "Anti-Programmer" | Jul 20 02:05 |
| cubevector | "Anti-Business" | Jul 20 02:05 |
| cubevector | it's all still there in google groups | Jul 20 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Which USENET groups? | Jul 20 02:08 |
| cubevector | let me find some for you | Jul 20 02:09 |
| cubevector | you can just go to google groups and search the time period 1985-1989 for Stallman | Jul 20 02:09 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jul 20 02:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer re Moodys, see video in http://techrights.org/2009/07/11/eric-savitz-and-microsoft/ they have history... | Jul 20 02:14 | |
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| cubevector | http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.os.linux/browse_thread/thread/1dda07a3a4192ff4/719bd203825285e7?hl=en&q=Stallman+communist# | Jul 20 02:14 |
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| cubevector | might have been after 1990 | Jul 20 02:15 |
| cubevector | before 1990 he was just a "crazy guy" | Jul 20 02:16 |
| schestowitz | End of 1992 | Jul 20 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Shortly after MCC, I think | Jul 20 02:16 |
| cubevector | also MicroSloth Windoze ref in 1992 :) | Jul 20 02:17 |
| cubevector | I'm certainly not the originator of the term | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Jul 20 02:17 | |
| schestowitz | Chris Walsh | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | View profile | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | More options Dec 1 1992, 10:52 am | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Newsgroups: comp.os.linux, alt.os.linux, comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit, comp.unix.wizards, comp.unix.misc, gnu.misc.discuss | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | From: mac...@avalon.eecs.nwu.edu (Chris Walsh) | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1992 15:40:54 GMT | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Local: Tues, Dec 1 1992 10:40 am | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Alpha release Linux/GNU/X unix clone on CDROM for PC's | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | In article <1992Nov26.082346.16...@netcom.com> mess...@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)says: | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | >- ever heard of thousands of people making a living, providing for their | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | > families and supporting the economy thanks to Bill Gates? Show me where | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | > that happened thanks to Richard Stallman or Linus Torvalds. But then, | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | > I just noticed the extension of your email address. Sorry for | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | > wasting the bandwith. | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Ever heard of thousands of people making a living, providing for their | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | families and supporting the Reich thanks to Adolf Hitler? Show me where | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | that happened thanks to Mother Teresa or Albert Schweitzer. But then, | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | I just noticed the extension of your email address. Sorry for | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | wasting the bandwidth. | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | BTW: What's an "extension to your email address"? Do you mean the | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | top level domain name, do you mean the FQDN? Gee, maybe you don't | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | know *what* you're talking about. | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | (flame off. I *hate* Bill Gates. Like his money, hate him. Simple.) | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Chris | Jul 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Forward | Jul 20 02:17 |
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| schestowitz | Jul 20 02:18 | |
| schestowitz | Jul 20 02:18 | |
| schestowitz | You must Sign in before you can post messages. | Jul 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | To post a message you must first join this group. | Jul 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting. | Jul 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | You do not have the permission required to post. | Jul 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | " Sorry for wasting the bandwith. [sic]" | Jul 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Back then it mattered :-) | Jul 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Making messages short :-) | Jul 20 02:18 |
| cubevector | yeah lots of flame wars | Jul 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Over old modems | Jul 20 02:18 |
| cubevector | which haven't stopped | Jul 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Too many messages would eat up the hard-drive | Jul 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | need external tapes | Jul 20 02:18 |
| cubevector | "Virtually all of the Windoze users I know saw 3.1 as a $50 bug fix to 3.1.:" | Jul 20 02:19 |
| cubevector | floppies schestowitz | Jul 20 02:19 |
| cubevector | in that era it was mostly floppies | Jul 20 02:19 |
| cubevector | it wasn't a good era | Jul 20 02:19 |
| cubevector | might be interesting to see the first Yggdrasil reference | Jul 20 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh noes | Jul 20 02:22 |
| cubevector | July 1992: | Jul 20 02:24 |
| cubevector | I am considering selling the 386BSD 0.1 distribution on CDROM | Jul 20 02:24 |
| cubevector | through my company, Yggdrasil. The distribution would run $100, | Jul 20 02:24 |
| cubevector | with $60 per CD donated to Lynne and Bill Jolitz | Jul 20 02:24 |
| cubevector | and you get a An Yggdrasil "GNU World Order" T-shirt. | Jul 20 02:24 |
| cubevector | :-P | Jul 20 02:25 |
| cubevector | probably the first 386BSD reference too | Jul 20 02:25 |
| cubevector | 386BSD was written mainly by Berkeley alumni Lynne Jolitz and William Jolitz. | Jul 20 02:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] E-books on jQuery http://www.flazx.com/category301.php (via @metacode) | Jul 20 02:27 | |
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| *DaemonFC sends schestowitz the MSJVM to run in Wine | Jul 20 02:40 | |
| schestowitz | SJVN | Jul 20 02:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Sony Ericsson Posts Profitable Q2 Thanks to Android - http://bit.ly/dig4Rx not just HTC that's benefiting | Jul 20 03:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 20 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, you can still get a regular drivers license without the federal ID crap apparently | Jul 20 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 20 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | they don't make an issue of that though | Jul 20 04:11 |
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| DaemonFC | Andres Cantor ftw | Jul 20 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 04:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] what is window.DLR ? #js #IronPython ? | Jul 20 07:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] going to Nehru Place for buying SD card for my OLPC will install ubuntu/fedora over it. #ebookreader | Jul 20 07:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Pls RT! Last chance to RSVP for 2nite's event in London: China Mieville, me, Rob Sharp of English PEN! http://tinyurl.com/2wnyjcp | Jul 20 07:50 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mjasay/statuses/18958729842 "@schestowitz I didn't slam (even ish) Mozilla and my thoughts on Google have never had anything to do with any biz relationships w/ Google" | Jul 20 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz we have no involvement on ChromeOS. I wish we did." | Jul 20 08:02 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/TechJournalist/statuses/18961006429 " Canonical's Chris Kenyon has publicly stated that Canonical was consulting on ChromeOS. http://bit.ly/98mTx1" | Jul 20 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | "@mjasay yes, as @TechJournalist said it; @sjvn wrote about it too at the time (in IDG)" | Jul 20 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Ha~! | Jul 20 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Asay doesn't even know what the company he runs has been doing | Jul 20 08:02 |
| MinceR | asay is an idiot, which is readily apparent from his crApple fanboyism | Jul 20 08:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Huffington Post is not merely scientifically ignorant, but *deliberately fraudulent* http://is.gd/dz3VK | Jul 20 08:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Damn it, again group spam... sorry for adding up to it! :( | Jul 20 08:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rsandu: Dell's: "WINDOWS OR UBUNTU ?" website #fail Choose #Ubuntu if: "You are interested in open source programming"? http://u.nu/5ywid | Jul 20 08:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Never found him funny either. Bad troll! ♺ @playya: ignore markshuttlecock | Jul 20 08:19 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: remember they also took Mozilla's livelihood | Jul 20 08:24 |
| schestowitz | They put Bong[sic] in FF for Microsoft kickbacks, at the expense of Mozilla's Google referral money | Jul 20 08:24 |
| cubezzz | so much for Ubuntu | Jul 20 08:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell describing “Ubuntu” as useful for “open source programming”, Akademy ending, and Mandriva making a statement http://ur1.ca/0r9mc | Jul 20 08:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: #Motorola Fails at Android Freedom, #Android Comes to #Tablets http://techrights.org/2010/07/20/android-freedom-and-motorola/ | Jul 20 08:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I am experimenting with a way of reducing the number of dents I make in identica (and twitter). Feedback welcome! | Jul 20 08:53 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] NASA's reasons for dumping Eucalyptus http://is.gd/dz6EL !fs !linux !techrights | Jul 20 09:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all. Hope all is well. I am surrounded by Ubuntu people in Prague. Life could be worse. :-) | Jul 20 09:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: Women in Free Software, India's “National Browser” is Free Software, Apple Calls Firefox Home “Adults Only”... http://ur1.ca/0rb08 | Jul 20 09:24 | |
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| MinceR | j0h0h0 | Jul 20 09:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz you get what you pay for? ;-) | Jul 20 09:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] One of the russian spies worked at MSFT and now Russia gets the sources of Win7 - coincidence? ;-) #conspiracy | Jul 20 09:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "VMware: Cloud Doesn’t Need Server Virtualization" http://is.gd/dz9nV - w00t? #fail ;-) | Jul 20 09:52 | |
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| schestowitz | "don't overd- i mean don't underd- don't disappear on us! identi.ca is for posting!" http://identi.ca/notice/42477087 > @openuniverse but the volume is too much for some | Jul 20 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | " I have just looked at your last two TR posts, I prefer the new layout there is a lot less scrolling needed, compact,nice" http://identi.ca/conversation/42189502#notice-42479069 | Jul 20 09:57 |
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| MinceR | http://www.idrewthis.org/2007/08/octan-drew-this-none-dare-call-it.html | Jul 20 10:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Not so friendly for #thesis, I guess: http://is.gd/dzbNe #wordpress #gpl | Jul 20 10:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] And with this little analysis I will stop commenting the whole #thesis v #wordpress thing. It is clear to me now. http://is.gd/dzc8i | Jul 20 10:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Sorry. But I would call this a smoking gun: "This function is mostly copy pasta from WP (wp-includes/media.php)," #thesis http://is.gd/dzcfq | Jul 20 10:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fading Future of Proprietary Handsets http://ur1.ca/0rhjo A look at the weakening of Microsoft and Apple in the mobile space | Jul 20 11:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: I'd call this a smoking gun: This function is mostly copy pasta from WP (wp-includes/media.php) #thesis http://is.gd/dzcfq | Jul 20 11:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eye on Security: Internet Still Threatened by #Microsoft #Windows http://ur1.ca/0rhww #Security #zeus #malware | Jul 20 11:56 | |
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| amarsh04 | I really should be getting along to these: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/meetings/ | Jul 20 12:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @jbossjbpm jBPM 4.4 is OUT! Read the release announcement http://tinyurl.com/jbpm-44 | Jul 20 12:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman Reiterates Threat of #Mono , Wikipedia Censored by Mono Boosters http://ur1.ca/0rjdv #fsf | Jul 20 12:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Is there any way to get Firefox 4.0beta to respect Xorg/gconf font smoothing/antialiasing settings? Text rendering is unusably ugly. | Jul 20 12:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] TCS (India) Wants to Turn Students Into Monopoly-Generating Apparati http://ur1.ca/0rk62 collecting patents for itself, using students | Jul 20 12:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Staff Not Elected for #OpenOffice .org Position http://ur1.ca/0rl1f #oracle #sun #odf #opendocument | Jul 20 13:01 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/42223244#notice-42517929 "@schestowitz Even when I am not an extremist when it comes to FOSS I need to say that what RMS says makes a lot of sense." | Jul 20 13:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Survival of XP as Sign of Microsoft’s Death http://techrights.org/2010/07/20/dead-os-walking/ | Jul 20 13:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Standing ovation for WikiLeaks at TED (video) http://bit.ly/99TNej | Jul 20 13:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz Survival of XP as Sign of Microsoft’s Death http://is.gd/dzkkh | Jul 20 13:26 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Here's a party I would actually consider voting for. !Pirate ISP under the wings of Swedish #Pirate Party. http://bit.ly/a2ffLQ | Jul 20 13:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @Computerworld 5 ways to use bootable Linux live discs http://bit.ly/crjcPf | Jul 20 14:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Record labels should make MP3s free, and freely shareable - http://bit.ly/aTj6N5 great to see mainstream media saying it (via @remixtures) | Jul 20 15:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Appeals Court Reminds Documentary Makers That Facts Are Not Copyrightable - http://bit.ly/chmNrF sad that it's even necessary to do so | Jul 20 15:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Apple Donates MacPaint Source Code To Computer History Museum - http://bit.ly/cxFQ0l this should happen to every old piece of code #apple | Jul 20 15:11 | |
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| MinceR | > this should happen to the entirety of crApple | Jul 20 15:12 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Jul 20 15:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] MOG Launches All-You-Can-Eat Music Service For iPhone And Android - http://tcrn.ch/cynwvG which means effective price of song = 0 #abundance | Jul 20 15:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Councillor faces inquiry over ‘stupid’ Scientologists tweet - http://bit.ly/asw0mm time to meet the Streisand effect, no? #stupidscientology | Jul 20 15:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden - http://bit.ly/bLjOHG just gets more and more fun #sweden #isps | Jul 20 15:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Anonymity On-line - http://bit.ly/9ntV1B useful intro to the increasingly-indispensable #Tor #anonymity | Jul 20 15:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] That's it, I'm closing my #CoOpBank account. It's like doing business with a Soviet bank. In the 1970s. Bureaucratic, outdated, unresponsive | Jul 20 15:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] MP3tunes, Roku stream iTunes users' songs to TVs - http://bit.ly/9wprBy people want their music everywhere #abundance #ubiquity | Jul 20 15:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Going to GangaNagar again for OLPC trip. big surprise is waiting. Lets hope for the best. Will update u the big success. Thx | Jul 20 15:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Ah, SemanticMediawiki. BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO ADVOCATE SMW. Or PHP. Or computers. Or scissors. Or the wheel. Or fire. | Jul 20 15:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Lenovo To Launch Android LePad This Year - http://bit.ly/bFlOTU another very interesting combo #android #lenovo #tablet | Jul 20 15:56 | |
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| *MinceR is more interested in the ThinkPad X-Series Tablet :> | Jul 20 15:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Jones backs down over Monsanto connection - http://bit.ly/bPCtNq apparently because of the publicity firestorm #monsanto | Jul 20 15:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Economic benefits of data release - http://bit.ly/cW7A0e will a hundred open data companies bloom? #opendata | Jul 20 16:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] HTML5 in W3C Cheatsheet - http://bit.ly/9FfekY I didn't know the W3C encouraged cheating... #html5 #w3c | Jul 20 16:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Transparency Through Open Notes - http://bit.ly/9TKrIm "The risks and rewards of inviting patients to review their medical records" | Jul 20 16:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sony is back – with more DRM - http://bit.ly/6yEfzO as clueless as ever: DRM is the problem, not the solution #sony #drm | Jul 20 16:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Virus targets Siemens industrial control systems - http://bit.ly/diUMmN remind me why using Windows here is a good idea? (via @bob_sutor) | Jul 20 16:15 | |
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| MinceR | lol siemens | Jul 20 16:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Digital Diplomacy - http://nyti.ms/9I9X8j twittering from within the political machine, done properly (via @craignewmark) #twitter #politics | Jul 20 16:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Samsung launches 1TB internal hard drive - http://bit.ly/9MBSpy a mere 300,000 MP3 songs #abundance #storage | Jul 20 16:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bureaucrats Now Have a Social Network of Their Own in Russia - http://bit.ly/aoUaqJ how long before they reach 500 million users? #russia | Jul 20 16:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] [new URL] Sony is back – with more DRM - http://bit.ly/avnZhW as clueless as ever: DRM is the problem, not the solution #sony #drm | Jul 20 16:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: MOG Launches All-You-Can-Eat Music Service For iPhone And Android - http://tcrn.ch/cynwvG | Jul 20 16:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Councillor faces inquiry over ‘stupid’ Scientologists tweet - http://bit.ly/asw0mm time to meet the Streisand effect. | Jul 20 16:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Lenovo To Launch Android LePad This Year - http://bit.ly/bFlOTU another very interesting combo | Jul 20 16:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Changes in law 'could be detrimental to consumers with open Wi-Fi' - http://bit.ly/ayaSQF "continuing concerns" about #DEact #wifi | Jul 20 16:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] President Otunbaeva says it is the right time to make animated movie about Manas - http://bit.ly/982GpG can you turn an epic into a cartoon? | Jul 20 16:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ExxonMobil gave $1.5M to climate disinformation groups last year, breaking its pledge to stop funding denial machine - http://bit.ly/a2BRAj | Jul 20 16:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @jwildeboer: I'd call this a smoking gun: This function is mostly copy pasta from WP (wp-includes/media.php) #thesis http://is.gd/dzcfq | Jul 20 17:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s former TE (AstroTurfer) Michael Gartenberg is still whitewashing the company’s image in Engadget http://ur1.ca/0ryah | Jul 20 18:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] My OpenOffice.org Budapest conference talk was accepted:"30 Lighting Demos of ODF". This will be fun to put together. | Jul 20 18:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Putting Press Releases Online? Patented! Lots Of Small Companies Sued - http://bit.ly/9tud1F how much more of this must we put up with? | Jul 20 18:24 | |
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| ender2070 | back from another day of school | Jul 20 18:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] "Universal DRM" renamed UltraViolet, beta starts this fall http://bit.ly/ahFh6J what could possibly go wrong with cloud-based #DRM? | Jul 20 18:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] new role at mozilla – director of web platform - http://bit.ly/cPEZI3 for @chrisblizzard "a product manager for the web" #mozilla | Jul 20 18:30 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Jul 20 18:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Finally got the Semantic MediaWiki fully working. User very happy with it. I can see why MW consulting pays well. Beats Confluence tho ;-p | Jul 20 19:00 | |
| ender2070 | hey | Jul 20 19:09 |
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| sebsebseb | ender2070: I want to pm you a funny story :D | Jul 20 19:13 |
| ender2070 | sure | Jul 20 19:14 |
| ender2070 | i just got back from school btw | Jul 20 19:15 |
| ender2070 | interesting day | Jul 20 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: school? | Jul 20 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | how old are you? | Jul 20 19:15 |
| ender2070 | 25 | Jul 20 19:15 |
| ender2070 | i just started college | Jul 20 19:15 |
| ender2070 | anyways, I 'learned' how to change the background wallpaper in Vista today | Jul 20 19:16 |
| ender2070 | I learned how to use Windows Easy Transfer to migrate settings from XP to Vista | Jul 20 19:16 |
| ender2070 | yesterday I learned that you guys all lie, vista runs on 800mhz with 512mb ram | Jul 20 19:17 |
| ender2070 | though 1gb is recommended | Jul 20 19:18 |
| ender2070 | WDDM is better than GDI and X, drivers in userspace! | Jul 20 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | yay, screw up your new copy of Windows | Jul 20 19:19 |
| ender2070 | crashes don't kill the kernel | Jul 20 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | with settings that were misconfigured in the old copy | Jul 20 19:19 |
| ender2070 | user settings daemonfc | Jul 20 19:19 |
| ender2070 | not OS settings | Jul 20 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Yeah, video drivers on Linux are terrible | Jul 20 19:19 |
| ender2070 | theres also USMT which works better on masse | Jul 20 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I had this much fun trying to get drivers installed into Windows 3.1 | Jul 20 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | oh i'll share the story with DaemonFC as well I think, how old was he? | Jul 20 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | If you do manage to get nvidia or fglrx to work, don't worry, it won't take long for Linux or X to be updated to where they won't work anymore | Jul 20 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | then you can wait for Nvidia or AMD to issue new drivers | Jul 20 19:22 |
| ender2070 | nvidia's drivers usually work though | Jul 20 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | they're both problematic | Jul 20 19:22 |
| ender2070 | nope | Jul 20 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: aren't you like 30 I forgot? | Jul 20 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | unless you want to use your video card as a dumb framebuffer, prepare to pull some teeth with Linux | Jul 20 19:23 |
| ender2070 | ATI's drivers are problematic | Jul 20 19:23 |
| ender2070 | over half the time | Jul 20 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | and the free drivers aren't even good enough to give you any video support sometimes | Jul 20 19:23 |
| ender2070 | i've had one issue with nvidia and i've owned various nvidia hardware over the last 10 years | Jul 20 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | and this fucking bulletproof X thing makes that real fun | Jul 20 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | cause then you can't even kill X and switch over to vesa | Jul 20 19:23 |
| ender2070 | bulletproof X is a stupid ubuntu thing | Jul 20 19:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @ jamie_love I don't know if everyone we talked to was wrong about Devigne's departure, or if the press reaction changed his role. >>hmm | Jul 20 19:24 | |
| DaemonFC | "No, I don't WANT X to restart itself!" | Jul 20 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu: "But 640 x 480 error screen wuvs U!" | Jul 20 19:25 |
| ender2070 | yeah i know what you mean | Jul 20 19:25 |
| ender2070 | theres many reasons i dont use ubuntu | Jul 20 19:25 |
| ender2070 | remember, kubuntu has a lot of the same bullshit | Jul 20 19:25 |
| ender2070 | except Ubuntu One | Jul 20 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | that's coming | Jul 20 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | apparently | Jul 20 19:25 |
| ender2070 | thats terrible | Jul 20 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | it still has no way to configure your audio devices | Jul 20 19:26 |
| ender2070 | even kpackagekit > ubuntu one | Jul 20 19:26 |
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| DaemonFC | but you can write crapplets in Javascript | Jul 20 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | and here comes Ubuntu One! | Jul 20 19:26 |
| ender2070 | dude | Jul 20 19:26 |
| ender2070 | you can write crapplets in a variety of languages | Jul 20 19:26 |
| ender2070 | even mono if you had some sort of mental illness | Jul 20 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Why is KDE so obsessed with bloat and crapplets | Jul 20 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | when they can't even get the little things right | Jul 20 19:27 |
| ender2070 | hardly dude | Jul 20 19:27 |
| ender2070 | KDE does a hell of a lot more than vista and win7 and uses way less resources | Jul 20 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 20 19:27 |
| ender2070 | my slowest computer is a dual core with 4gb ram | Jul 20 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | it compares well with Vista! | Jul 20 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | there's your argument | Jul 20 19:28 |
| ender2070 | no | Jul 20 19:28 |
| ender2070 | it uses less resources than vista and win7 | Jul 20 19:28 |
| ender2070 | half actually | Jul 20 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | that's almost like saying microwaved pizza puffs are a preferable dinner to a bowl of diarrhea | Jul 20 19:28 |
| ender2070 | it also provides a lot more social desktop typ eof stuff | Jul 20 19:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @kanarip: In category #not-so-funny: @glynmoody: Putting PressReleases Online? Patented! Lots Of Small Companies Sued http://bit.ly/9tud1F | Jul 20 19:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why Parma Ham May Stand in the Way of ACTA and CETA - http://bit.ly/cNEaLG maybe about to gain extra savour... #ham #acta | Jul 20 19:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @smaffulli: no way: Pirate Party launched PirateISP. Get popcorn: you want to watch this movie http://is.gd/dzCDY | Jul 20 19:29 | |
| ender2070 | widgets are still programs, how do you not expect bloat when you add them? | Jul 20 19:29 |
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| ender2070 | compare KDE to Gnome | Jul 20 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | XP styled fake antivirus websites are still the most amusing thing ever | Jul 20 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: and still trick a lot of people | Jul 20 19:30 |
| ender2070 | KDE uses slightly more ram than Gnome, but what does Gnome offer you? | Jul 20 19:30 |
| ender2070 | KDE offers a lot more features | Jul 20 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | you notice how like none of them are updating their fake layout to mimic the UI of Vista or 7? | Jul 20 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: yeah Gnome 2 has gone quite sucky really in recent releases | Jul 20 19:30 |
| ender2070 | Gnome removes features | Jul 20 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome 3 preview in Mandriva 2010.1 is quite nice though :) | Jul 20 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: uhmm well Ubuntu does | Jul 20 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: they remove Gnome features | Jul 20 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | for their junk | Jul 20 19:30 |
| ender2070 | yeah even worse | Jul 20 19:30 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 20 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | for example shut down and log out from the system menu, and auto shut down feature | Jul 20 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Conditional statements to load styles that mimic whatever the victim is using | Jul 20 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | unless disable their junk | Jul 20 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | could be done | Jul 20 19:31 |
| ender2070 | like the stupid left sided window buttons | Jul 20 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | at least for different editions of Windows | Jul 20 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: see pm | Jul 20 19:31 |
| ender2070 | KDE might be 'bloated' compared to other linux options but you get one hell of bang for your buck | Jul 20 19:32 |
| ender2070 | gnome is just as bloated but offers next to nothing | Jul 20 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Tell your brother that every browser including IE has a porn mode now | Jul 20 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 20 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | simple | Jul 20 19:32 |
| ender2070 | 3rd party apps are required to fill in | Jul 20 19:32 |
| ender2070 | KDE apps share kdelibs | Jul 20 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I would have prefered if you had repliled in pm, but nevermind I guess | Jul 20 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Aero wrapping GDI+ = Yuck | Jul 20 19:32 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 20 19:33 |
| ender2070 | not even microsoft likes GDI anymore | Jul 20 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | GDI+ was on par with the competition | Jul 20 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years ago | Jul 20 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: well yeah KDE offers a lot more, more geekey to customize though | Jul 20 19:34 |
| ender2070 | gotta have that libgdiplus | Jul 20 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | libgdiplus is basically just a front end to Cairo isn't it? | Jul 20 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | or rather, Mono.Cairo | Jul 20 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | you can write a Mono application to use Mono.Cairo directly | Jul 20 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | but it's extra effort when you're porting between .NET and Mono | Jul 20 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | seeing as how .Net has no version of Cairo bundled with it | Jul 20 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: I guess Canonical needed to do something with Gnome 2 really on their own, or people would have found Ubuntu to suck loads of them, that don't know about upstream and such | Jul 20 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | Java does have the portability advantage | Jul 20 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | Java applications don't really need to be "ported" | Jul 20 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | CLR apps do | Jul 20 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: I mean not really the best thing for Ubuntu, when Gnome 2 looks pretty much the same every release, and they want to hype up their distro to Windows users, who want add on junk and such | Jul 20 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | Mono/.NET | Jul 20 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | because .NET was written around Windows-only functionality | Jul 20 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | now you need compatibility libraries that provide that functionality in Mono itself | Jul 20 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | meaning that not only do you duplicate at least some of your effort, but if you take the easy way out and use things like libgdiplus, your application is slower and uses more resources | Jul 20 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | I assume Banshee uses libgdiplus and not Mono.Cairo because they want to port it to Windows and .Net eventually | Jul 20 19:38 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 20 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: however Ubuntu 8.10 the best version of Ubuntu when it came to their Gnome set up, and then things started to mess up :( | Jul 20 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | Pinta goes with Mono.Cairo on Linux | Jul 20 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | but the Windows build uses GDI+ | Jul 20 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | so it's hardly the same program | Jul 20 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | because parts of it need totally rewritten to perform well on both systems | Jul 20 19:40 |
| ender2070 | I remember when tomboy got windows specific features | Jul 20 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | Pinta is a decent application, but if you look at it from a developer's point of view, the duplication of effort required must be a nightmare | Jul 20 19:41 |
| ender2070 | decent for a mono app | Jul 20 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | it undercuts Novell's claims that Mono is good for portability | Jul 20 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | when even they don't want to use their own compatibility libraries vs. rewritting chunks of their app | Jul 20 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee can get away with fudging with libgdiplus | Jul 20 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | because it's not an image editor | Jul 20 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | the application doesn't have to draw to the screen blisteringly fast | Jul 20 19:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Pirate in Us [de] - http://bit.ly/b97ZoQ amazing research report (in German) from Deutsche Bank that (almost) says #copyright is doomed | Jul 20 19:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | when your application has to draw things to the screen quickly, you're going to have problems | Jul 20 19:43 |
| ender2070 | novell doesnt think its a problem to ship libgdiplus | Jul 20 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | for them, it's not | Jul 20 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | or Windows Forms for that matter | Jul 20 19:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Techdirt: Putting Press Releases Online? Patented! Lots Of Small Companies Sued http://ur1.ca/0s1ir | Jul 20 19:45 | |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft has essentially done what they did with the Microsoft Java VM | Jul 20 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | only in .Net instead | Jul 20 19:45 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | remember that they tried putting in Windows Foundation Class to make Java apps really insanely fast on Windows | Jul 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | but then they wouldn't run at all in other VMs | Jul 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | cause those used JNI | Jul 20 19:46 |
| ender2070 | yup | Jul 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | but Microsoft's VM had JNI to | Jul 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a roach motel for Java apps | Jul 20 19:46 |
| ender2070 | people still use that as an excuse to bash sun too | Jul 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | they check in but they don't check out | Jul 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 19:46 |
| ender2070 | 'sun sued microsoft over IMPROVEMENTS' | Jul 20 19:47 |
| ender2070 | make sun look bad | Jul 20 19:47 |
| ender2070 | yeah, windows-only incompatible improvements | Jul 20 19:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Another failed biz model RT @glynmoody: "Universal DRM" renamed UltraViolet, beta starts this fall http://bit.ly/ahFh6J | Jul 20 19:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Association of Press Release Distributors, LLC fight against web patents on publishing press releases on a website: http://ur1.ca/0s1jx | Jul 20 19:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | well, the Java app did run insanely fast on Microsoft's Java VM as soon as you turned it into a Microsoft VM Java-ish app | Jul 20 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | instead of a Java app | Jul 20 19:47 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 19:47 |
| ender2070 | well yeah thats what happened | Jul 20 19:48 |
| ender2070 | it became microsoft only | Jul 20 19:48 |
| ender2070 | had to use IE for the applet to work | Jul 20 19:48 |
| ender2070 | sun java would fail | Jul 20 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | no, it was more or less compliant with Java 1 | Jul 20 19:48 |
| ender2070 | i remember my friend used to bitch that sun java was too slow | Jul 20 19:48 |
| ender2070 | compared to MS JVM | Jul 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | the point being that you could run Java in the Microsoft VM, but it wasn't as fast as porting it from Java to the Microsoft VM | Jul 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | using WFC | Jul 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | right, a lot of applets used WFC and told you to get lost if you had Netscape or another browser with Sun JAVA | Jul 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | which was the goal | Jul 20 19:49 |
| ender2070 | exactly | Jul 20 19:50 |
| ender2070 | i remember using netscape with sun java and being told to get lost by horrible web developers | Jul 20 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | Netscape did bundle Sun's Java didn't they? | Jul 20 19:50 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 20 19:50 |
| ender2070 | in netscape 6 | Jul 20 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it was a beast compared to the MSJVM | Jul 20 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | but MSJVM applets weren't Java | Jul 20 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | they were Windows programs written in Java-ish syntax | Jul 20 19:51 |
| ender2070 | they were MSJava | Jul 20 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | I've never really liked the execution speed of Java apps | Jul 20 19:51 |
| ender2070 | windows sucks with java | Jul 20 19:52 |
| ender2070 | i wonder if ms makes it run slow | Jul 20 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Mono doesn't tend to do a lot better unless you start using things like Cairo | Jul 20 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | which instantly makes your app invalid in .Net | Jul 20 19:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: Association of Press Release Distributors, LLC fight against #swpat on publishing press releases on websites http://ur1.ca/0s1jx | Jul 20 19:52 | |
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| ender2070 | java is fuckin fast on linux (not counting Azureus, or certain poorly written apps) | Jul 20 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | you can install Mono on Windows | Jul 20 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | but if Microsoft thought people would really do that, they never would have let Novell develop Mono | Jul 20 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | people will whine and bitch that they can't just use .Net | Jul 20 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 20 19:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] When will Disney, Microsoft & Best Buy learn consumers dislike DRM? Yet another foolish DRM scheme --> http://bit.ly/ahFh6J | Jul 20 19:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070, What's funny is how there's apps that let you turn CIL back into source code | Jul 20 19:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @mkapor: Facebook ranks with IRS & cable in satisfaction http://bit.ly/avyIRJ. I'm awaiting other studies before leaping to judgment. | Jul 20 19:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Facebook: As Unpopular as Airlines, Cable Companies & the IRS .::. Size~: 60.23 KB | Jul 20 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | so idiots like the people behind CDBurnerXP think that they can keep their program closed source | Jul 20 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | even though anyone can turn their program back into VB.NET | Jul 20 19:56 |
| ender2070 | CDBurnerXP is VB.NET? | Jul 20 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jul 20 19:56 |
| ender2070 | never using it again | Jul 20 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | you could decompile it and have the core program | Jul 20 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | you'd still need an interface in GTK# or something | Jul 20 19:57 |
| ender2070 | actually its been a while since i've used it | Jul 20 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | but you could port it to Mono fairly easily | Jul 20 19:57 |
| ender2070 | last time I had to burn something on winblows I used imgburn | Jul 20 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | could you get away with it? not legally | Jul 20 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | they could sue you | Jul 20 19:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Can anybody suggest me good html5, JavaScript related mailing list ? | Jul 20 19:58 | |
| DaemonFC | but their source code is still fully exposed | Jul 20 19:58 |
| ender2070 | what damages are they going to claim? | Jul 20 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | anyone who tries to make a proprietary app for .NET is exposing their source code | Jul 20 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | even if it's not licensed for use by others | Jul 20 19:59 |
| ender2070 | thats weird | Jul 20 19:59 |
| ender2070 | are you sure? | Jul 20 19:59 |
| ender2070 | they used to have something called sourcesafe which made it hard to do that | Jul 20 20:00 |
| ender2070 | back in Visual Studio 6 days | Jul 20 20:00 |
| ender2070 | apparently its not too hard to get java source code from bytecode either | Jul 20 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't work | Jul 20 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | every .NET program is exposed | Jul 20 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing you can do to stop someone from decompiling your app into source code | Jul 20 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | there won't be commenting, but that's all you lose | Jul 20 20:01 |
| ender2070 | dude | Jul 20 20:01 |
| ender2070 | if the comments are missing, good luck with that | Jul 20 20:01 |
| ender2070 | especially with larger projects | Jul 20 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | true | Jul 20 20:02 |
| MinceR | and what about names, especially local variable names? | Jul 20 20:02 |
| ender2070 | programmers cant just look at code and immediately know what it does | Jul 20 20:02 |
| ender2070 | in a huge program | Jul 20 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.remotesoft.com/salamander/index.html | Jul 20 20:03 |
| ender2070 | unless its designed very well and its all obvious | Jul 20 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Salamander is a .NET decompiler that converts executable files (.EXE or .DLL) from Intermediate Language (IL, MSIL, CIL) binary format to high-level source codes, such as C#, managed C++, Visual Basic.NET, etc. For more than 8,000 classes that have been tested, Salamander always produces equivalent and recompilable codes that are remarkably close to the original source codes." | Jul 20 20:03 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 20 20:04 |
| ender2070 | Salamander is a Java applet | Jul 20 20:04 |
| ender2070 | theres a few proprietary apps out there which will also convert C# code to Java | Jul 20 20:05 |
| ender2070 | or C# to C++ | Jul 20 20:05 |
| ender2070 | or C | Jul 20 20:05 |
| ender2070 | you have to fix a lot of stuff though | Jul 20 20:05 |
| ender2070 | i bet theres a lot of stuff to fix | Jul 20 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | that would be interesting | Jul 20 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | if you could feed Banshee into one of those things and get Banshee Java | Jul 20 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 20 20:08 |
| ender2070 | Banshee Java would be decent | Jul 20 20:08 |
| MinceR | at least when compiled with gcj? :> | Jul 20 20:08 |
| ender2070 | isn't gcj behind? | Jul 20 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | if it was an easy straight conversion, there'd be people stacked up to jailbreak everything Novell is spewing out | Jul 20 20:09 |
| ender2070 | i usually say its good and diablo corrects me | Jul 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | they do have a few good demonstration programs for Mono | Jul 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | that's what Banshee is | Jul 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | but when you look at how much money they've dumped into designing them | Jul 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | you realize they probably could have saved money by not using C# | Jul 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 20:09 |
| ender2070 | theres evidence to suggest gnote came out of a C# to C++ converter tool | Jul 20 20:09 |
| ender2070 | someone told me he saw similar headers added to the code | Jul 20 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | tell them to feed Banshee to it | Jul 20 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | and Pinta | Jul 20 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 20:10 |
| ender2070 | they tried but banshee was severely broken | Jul 20 20:10 |
| ender2070 | pinta wasn't out then | Jul 20 20:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jamie_love: ACTA 'other remedies' Article in conflict with Sweden Germany Denmark Finland Swiss laws: http://www.keionline.org/node/890 | Jul 20 20:10 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: ACTA's Article 2.3, on "Other Remedies" | Knowledge Ecology International .::. Size~: 29.75 KB | Jul 20 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX | Jul 20 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BulletProofX - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 28.11 KB | Jul 20 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | Specification: Make X so bulletproof and frustrating that the user just shoots their computer instead | Jul 20 20:11 |
| ender2070 | i remember that | Jul 20 20:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mgeist: Why Parma Ham May Stand in the Way of ACTA and CETA: a look at the geographical indications issue http://bit.ly/939hGf | Jul 20 20:11 | |
| ender2070 | its ubuntu specific | Jul 20 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Xorg sometimes fails to launch for some users, typically due to failure to detect hardware properly during installation or when the user has changed monitors or graphics cards." | Jul 20 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | and in this situation, I should be able to kill -9 it and sort things out myself | Jul 20 20:12 |
| ender2070 | hey | Jul 20 20:12 |
| ender2070 | switch to KDM | Jul 20 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | but I can't because it restarts itself | Jul 20 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 20:12 |
| ender2070 | it doesnt support it | Jul 20 20:12 |
| cubezzz3 | well if you don't like Xorg there's XFree86 | Jul 20 20:12 |
| ender2070 | "KDM currently does not support a failsafe server as GDM does, so support for this capability on KDM-based distros will be deferred until this has been implemented. Assuming a design similar to GDM is adopted, the above design can be used here as well." | Jul 20 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | they figure their users are dumb and just want to click on the driver Ubuntu offers | Jul 20 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | which usualyl won't bomb out, but is so old that new hardware can't use it | Jul 20 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | then when you get a new piece of hardware that Ubuntu's blob doesn't support, you have to download the blob from the manufacturer | Jul 20 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | and play with it yourself | Jul 20 20:13 |
| ender2070 | I'd just stop using Ubuntu | Jul 20 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 20:13 |
| ender2070 | theres a reason I hate microsoft, its not because I want to be 'cool' | Jul 20 20:13 |
| ender2070 | its because i was tired of modifying everything to my taste, and every release gets worse and requires more removal of crap | Jul 20 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, There should be a button that says something like "Stop fucking reloading X, I know what needs to be done, go away!" | Jul 20 20:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I think the kubuntu and xubuntu teams are basicly like the peoples front of judea.....aka "that guy" rather than a whole team of peeps | Jul 20 20:14 |
| ender2070 | Ubuntu is replacing Windows very well in that regard | Jul 20 20:14 |
| MinceR | the conversion from c# to java should be easier if the source code is available | Jul 20 20:14 |
| cubezzz3 | init 1 if you want to kill X | Jul 20 20:15 |
| cubezzz3 | then edit your files | Jul 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Well, if the code is MIT X11, you have the right to translate it to another language and compile it | Jul 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | so Novell can't really bitch that you complied with their licensing terms | Jul 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | yet they do | Jul 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 20 20:15 |
| ender2070 | if its MIT X11 you could make closed source changes | Jul 20 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Jul 20 20:16 |
| ender2070 | hell | Jul 20 20:16 |
| ender2070 | mono code could already be in .NET 4 | Jul 20 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | the MIT license is not very restrictive about what you can and can't do | Jul 20 20:16 |
| ender2070 | and nobody would know | Jul 20 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's the next best thing to making something public domain | Jul 20 20:16 |
| MinceR | same as the 3-clause BSDL, isn't it? | Jul 20 20:16 |
| MinceR | or the WTFPL | Jul 20 20:16 |
| ender2070 | so it costs $1000 to find out and audit windows apps for spyware | Jul 20 20:17 |
| ender2070 | if you dont have the source code | Jul 20 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | you have to redistribute a copyright notice attributing the original authors I believe | Jul 20 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | and the third paragraph says there's no warranty | Jul 20 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | which is a typical open source license clause | Jul 20 20:17 |
| ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License | Jul 20 20:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: MIT License - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 55.74 KB | Jul 20 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | other than that, it says you have the right to do anything with it | Jul 20 20:17 |
| ender2070 | "It is a permissive license, meaning that it permits reuse within proprietary software on the condition that the license is distributed with that software." | Jul 20 20:17 |
| ender2070 | those permissive licenses give proprietary software developers Freedom #5 | Jul 20 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | right, well, you could incorporate MIT X11 code into a GPL'd program | Jul 20 20:18 |
| ender2070 | The Freedom to keep the changes to yourself, disregard the last 4 freedoms and lock out your users. | Jul 20 20:18 |
| cubezzz3 | happens all the time, yes | Jul 20 20:19 |
| ender2070 | same with BSD | Jul 20 20:19 |
| ender2070 | that was what the openbsd guys didnt like | Jul 20 20:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Not Invented Here? Mas tb n vejo vntgm ♺ @GabrielfSilva: porque é que o psd votou contra a liberalização dos centros de inspeção automóvel? | Jul 20 20:19 | |
| ender2070 | a few devs got their wifi drivers and wrapped a GPL license around it, preventing them from getting the improvements | Jul 20 20:19 |
| ender2070 | without adapting the GPL | Jul 20 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, which is when they started bitching about code theft | Jul 20 20:20 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 20 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | completely ignoring the Microsoft and Apple abuses of the BSD license | Jul 20 20:20 |
| ender2070 | they had a bit of a logical arguement though | Jul 20 20:20 |
| ender2070 | the dev had removed the BSD licensing | Jul 20 20:21 |
| ender2070 | which he wasnt supposed to | Jul 20 20:21 |
| ender2070 | but he didnt know and they fixed it | Jul 20 20:21 |
| cubezzz3 | don't use MIT license | Jul 20 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | so if you do that, what parts of your code are BSD licensed still | Jul 20 20:21 |
| ender2070 | iirc | Jul 20 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | just whatever you took, but none of your edits? | Jul 20 20:21 |
| cubezzz3 | just use GPL if it's for the community | Jul 20 20:21 |
| ender2070 | probably the parts originally covered by BSD | Jul 20 20:22 |
| ender2070 | the new parts would be GPL | Jul 20 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | right so if you wrote War and Peace and slapped a BSD license on it | Jul 20 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | then I rewrote half the book and used the GPL | Jul 20 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | then only half of it is covered by the GPL? | Jul 20 20:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Aloha: The HTML5 Editor - http://bit.ly/aauxD7 free, available under AGPLv3 licence #html5 #editor #agplv3 | Jul 20 20:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Aloha: The HTML5 Editor | W3Avenue .::. Size~: 32.84 KB | Jul 20 20:22 |
| ender2070 | no | Jul 20 20:22 |
| cubezzz3 | don't know, I'd avoid situations like that | Jul 20 20:22 |
| ender2070 | all of it is | Jul 20 20:22 |
| cubezzz3 | sounds like plagarism | Jul 20 20:22 |
| ender2070 | but | Jul 20 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | meh, software licenses can be used for literature | Jul 20 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's not the best idea | Jul 20 20:23 |
| ender2070 | its a one way transfer because the GPL doesn't let you do the permissive things the bsd one does | Jul 20 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | but the courts have upheld it | Jul 20 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | at least in the US | Jul 20 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's usually done by mistake | Jul 20 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 20:24 |
| ender2070 | im pretty sure from what i've read that the bsd code can become gpl, but gpl can't become bsd unless the copyright owner changes the license | Jul 20 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | well, even the FSF has agreed that the GPL is not always the most optimal FOSS license | Jul 20 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | depending on your intentions for the code | Jul 20 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | like Vorbis is better off under the BSD license | Jul 20 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | because it helps the adoption rate | Jul 20 20:25 |
| ender2070 | the thing i dont get about the bsd-gpl arguement is this | Jul 20 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | if you look, even Microsoft has used Vorbis code to decode Vorbis audio files bundled in their games | Jul 20 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | it helps them screw the MPEG-LA out of royalties | Jul 20 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | which I find hilarious | Jul 20 20:26 |
| ender2070 | they say the GPL prevents them from taking improvements back to the original code | Jul 20 20:26 |
| ender2070 | but proprietary has the same issue | Jul 20 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, MPEG-LA would have sued Microsoft if their arguments over Vorbis infringing their patents were clearly valid | Jul 20 20:26 |
| ender2070 | apple doesn't have to give back their BSD changes | Jul 20 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | because Microsoft has used it in lots of places | Jul 20 20:26 |
| ender2070 | they do though because it helps keep things compatible | Jul 20 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | they probably won't because their case isn't clear cut and Microsoft can fight them in court | Jul 20 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | they'd go pick on someone without a lot of money and lawyers first | Jul 20 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | to set precedent | Jul 20 20:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] (twt2) show weekly or twice in a week from Delhi, FreedomLabs. All Hackers are welcome Spread the news about live hacking shows | Jul 20 20:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] (twt1) Finally I can run live foss conference for Indian users. Total Delay is 20 sec as of now. guys we are now starting a live Internet | Jul 20 20:27 | |
| DaemonFC | probably in Texas | Jul 20 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 20:27 |
| ender2070 | thats usually what happens | Jul 20 20:27 |
| ender2070 | I like GPLv3 and CDDL | Jul 20 20:28 |
| MinceR | well, m$ fanboys like to masquerade as bsd fanboys when they attack the GPL | Jul 20 20:28 |
| MinceR | apparently | Jul 20 20:28 |
| ender2070 | Mincer, no they really love bsd | Jul 20 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | well, they do like BSD | Jul 20 20:28 |
| ender2070 | free code | Jul 20 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | and MIT | Jul 20 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | free for the stealing | Jul 20 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 20:28 |
| MinceR | as if any version of winblows could ever hold a candle to bsd | Jul 20 20:28 |
| ender2070 | where did microsoft get its TCP/IP stack? | Jul 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | Apple likes BSD | Jul 20 20:29 |
| ender2070 | previously, it was freebsd | Jul 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | they go in from time to time | Jul 20 20:29 |
| MinceR | they do like crApple, take working FLOSS code and turn it into crap, then sell it | Jul 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | pillage, plunder, give nothing back | Jul 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | then the BSD guys complain about their software being used in GPL projects | Jul 20 20:29 |
| ender2070 | you can do what digsby does | Jul 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | Webkit, libpurple, and spyware? | Jul 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 20:29 |
| ender2070 | take the permissively licensed pidgin libraries, webkit, close it up, sell idle cpu cycles, and spy on you | Jul 20 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | yes, Webkit, libpurple, and spyware | Jul 20 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | the recipe for Digsby | Jul 20 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 20:30 |
| ender2070 | they also sell idle cpu time | Jul 20 20:30 |
| ender2070 | they ask you first now | Jul 20 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, ok | Jul 20 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | Webkit, libpurple, and malware | Jul 20 20:30 |
| ender2070 | but that was after it hit the paper | Jul 20 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | better? | Jul 20 20:31 |
| ender2070 | nah | Jul 20 20:31 |
| ender2070 | doesnt sound bad | Jul 20 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | Webkit, libpurple and nefarious nebulous evil Dick Cheneyware | Jul 20 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 20:31 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 20 20:31 |
| ender2070 | they turn your pc into a node in their cluster | Jul 20 20:32 |
| ender2070 | its like they do everything they can to profit off you | Jul 20 20:32 |
| ender2070 | i heard about that im client from the same person who trusted gator with his passwords | Jul 20 20:33 |
| ender2070 | freaked out on me when I said digsby sucked | Jul 20 20:33 |
| ender2070 | 'apps dont have to be open source to be good' | Jul 20 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | there's spyware and malware and foistware and bloatware and scareware and stealware and adware, then theres"Potentially Unwanted Software" which is what you use as an umbrella term when the people making everything else on the list threaten to sue you for calling it how you see it | Jul 20 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 20:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] hms... ♺ @BreakingNews: FDA panel recommends withdrawal of approval for Avastin to treat breast cancer after disappointing studies - AP | Jul 20 20:34 | |
| ender2070 | im glad i decided i need new friends | Jul 20 20:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Aloha: The HTML5 Editor - http://bit.ly/aauxD7 free, available under AGPLv3 licence #html5 #editor #agplv3 | Jul 20 20:35 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Aloha: The HTML5 Editor | W3Avenue .::. Size~: 32.84 KB | Jul 20 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | it steals all your credit cards and bank routing numbers, pops up pornographic bestiality advertisements, commandeers your CPU, takes a gigantic shit in your toilet that won't flush, and then takes off in your car | Jul 20 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | so you potentially, maybe, sorta, kinda, might not want it | Jul 20 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | but maybe you do! | Jul 20 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | is that what a PUP is? | Jul 20 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | or a PUA? | Jul 20 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | : | Jul 20 20:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] how i can display pages with html on web. If I edit content then this should increase pages & content auto adjust in pages. #hack #js #web | Jul 20 20:36 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | It's like calling Gonoorhea a Potentially Unwanted Cohabiting Biological Organism | Jul 20 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's not an STD, it's a PUCBO! | Jul 20 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | *Gonorrhea | Jul 20 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | Gonorrhea cha cha cha!!! Gonorrhea cha cha cha!!! Gonorrhea cha cha cha!!! | Jul 20 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe you didn't want it? | Jul 20 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | who knows? | Jul 20 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Hands off my Digsby!!! | Jul 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | It asked my consent!!! | Jul 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7855785381950022993# | Jul 20 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Confidence and Paranoia S01 E05 RED DWARF .::. Size~: 35.28 KB | Jul 20 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | What happened to Paranoia? | Jul 20 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | What do you mean "You killed him, cha cha cha!"? | Jul 20 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 20:42 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 20 20:43 |
| ender2070 | i recommended a new license to CC | Jul 20 20:47 |
| ender2070 | some people were saying -NC is non free | Jul 20 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I think I might buy some wax strips | Jul 20 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | for my face | Jul 20 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | it might hurt like hell but I'd only have to do it once every 4-5 months | Jul 20 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Jul 20 20:48 |
| ender2070 | i dunno | Jul 20 20:49 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if he can cheap out and do that with duct tape | Jul 20 20:49 | |
| ender2070 | I always made CC licensed work using the non commercial clause | Jul 20 20:49 |
| ender2070 | I want to be in control of any profits to be made | Jul 20 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Love is invented by bank managers to make sure we're constantly overdrawn" | Jul 20 20:50 |
| ender2070 | I can't find any decent arguements against -NC either | Jul 20 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | What? Landlords, AT&T, and Ford weren't enough? | Jul 20 20:50 |
| ender2070 | just cheapskates who want to be able to sell the work of others | Jul 20 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Well, NC clause is just smart | Jul 20 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | companies will steal anything that isn't nailed down | Jul 20 20:51 |
| ender2070 | 'if you use -NC, small businesses can't sell a creative commons compilation' | Jul 20 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | like Verizon and those billboards they made ouf of CC-licensed pictures of teenage girls | Jul 20 20:51 |
| ender2070 | 'if you use -NC, wikipedia cant accept it, cc databases won't accept it' | Jul 20 20:51 |
| ender2070 | Wikipedia sells its database | Jul 20 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | you could always give them written permission that overrides the license | Jul 20 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | you did know that? | Jul 20 20:52 |
| ender2070 | exactly! | Jul 20 20:52 |
| ender2070 | yes I did | Jul 20 20:52 |
| ender2070 | if they want to sell my work they can contact me about it | Jul 20 20:52 |
| ender2070 | cause ill want a cut | Jul 20 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | right | Jul 20 20:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] The problem with following so many interesting people is you get to spread their words more than writing your own. | Jul 20 20:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] When does information not want to be free? - http://bit.ly/9EGThA copyright used to stifle Freedom of Information releases? #copyright #foi | Jul 20 20:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: panGloss: When does information not want to be free? .::. Size~: 72.85 KB | Jul 20 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Islamic Jihadist Foundation can't use it | Jul 20 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | but Verizon can if they pay you! | Jul 20 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | and I can use it as my wallpaper for free | Jul 20 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | everyone wins | Jul 20 20:53 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 20 20:53 |
| ender2070 | i came up with another solution | Jul 20 20:53 |
| ender2070 | a commercial friendly clause that requires compensation to the author | Jul 20 20:53 |
| ender2070 | it would then not place restrictions on selling, but would require you to pay people if you did sell it | Jul 20 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T sent me a bill for $139 | Jul 20 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | for Directv and DSL | Jul 20 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | I about shit myself and then realized that I was actually paying for 2 weeks from the last billing cycle that weren't on the last bill | Jul 20 20:56 |
| ender2070 | i'd rather negotiate terms of a commercial license though | Jul 20 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | what do you do? :P | Jul 20 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | so yeah, use NC on everything | Jul 20 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | make them pay for it if they want it that bad | Jul 20 20:57 |
| ender2070 | exactly | Jul 20 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | they have enough of my money to pay you with | Jul 20 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 20:57 |
| ender2070 | i cant find a good reason not to use NC | Jul 20 20:57 |
| ender2070 | any free software licenses which do this? | Jul 20 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | I had them hook it up on May 18th | Jul 20 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | then my first bill went May 18 to June 18 | Jul 20 20:58 |
| ender2070 | ahhh | Jul 20 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | then this bill has June 19th to August 11th | Jul 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | Jul 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | nice fucked up billing cycle | Jul 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | whatever happened to hitting you on the same day every month? | Jul 20 20:59 |
| ender2070 | you can sell someone elses GPL software, but people have the ability to distribute the source anyways | Jul 20 20:59 |
| *Wulf-is-not-here is now known as WireWulf | Jul 20 21:00 | |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, You figure they make contrived odd-numbered billing cycles so your bill changes all the time anyway and you're more likely to miss extra crap they sneak in on you? | Jul 20 21:00 |
| ender2070 | in the case of creative commons, if someone makes a movie on my book at least one person will have to pay to see it and make a copy | Jul 20 21:00 |
| ender2070 | you also can't get the original, you'll end up with some MPEG encoded lossy garbage | Jul 20 21:01 |
| ender2070 | creative commons doesnt require distributing the source material | Jul 20 21:02 |
| ender2070 | you just put everyones name on it and people can share that version | Jul 20 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | right | Jul 20 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | like how the one or two decent people on Jamendo still get to sell you the CD | Jul 20 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 21:03 |
| ender2070 | a CD they probably made from MP3 source files | Jul 20 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | /dev/sde2 on / type xfs (rw,delaylog) | Jul 20 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 21:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Just noticed the Facebook "OpenDocument Format" fan page: http://bit.ly/96fzjn | Jul 20 21:04 | |
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| ender2070 | alot of artists, especially ones who aren't computer literate will save all their work in mp3 thinking nothing is lost | Jul 20 21:05 |
| ender2070 | there was one guy I really liked listening to, I e-mailed him asking for the wav files so I could make ogg's and he said his originals were all mp3 | Jul 20 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, I forgot to specify noatime | Jul 20 21:05 |
| ender2070 | i've asked a number of others too | Jul 20 21:06 |
| ender2070 | I know one guy who made his own rap album | Jul 20 21:06 |
| ender2070 | did all the stuff on his computer | Jul 20 21:07 |
| ender2070 | mp3 files | Jul 20 21:07 |
| ender2070 | and knowing you, you probably have issues with the encoder they use | Jul 20 21:08 |
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| ender2070 | likely lame or worse | Jul 20 21:08 |
| ender2070 | [15:54] <DaemonFC> ender2070, You figure they make contrived odd-numbered billing cycles so your bill changes all the time anyway and you're more likely to miss extra crap they sneak in on you? | Jul 20 21:10 |
| ender2070 | a mathematician showed me how banks rip people off simply by the months not all being the same number of days | Jul 20 21:11 |
| ender2070 | leap years make them money too | Jul 20 21:11 |
| ender2070 | another billing rip off is fractional division and rounding | Jul 20 21:12 |
| ender2070 | this guy is hated because he sends the companies corrections and they can't refute it | Jul 20 21:13 |
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| DaemonFC | /dev/sde2 on / type xfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime,delaylog,inode64,logbufs=8,attr2,noikeep,logbsize=262144) | Jul 20 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | much gooder :P | Jul 20 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | you ever wonder why people rips scratched up discs that skip a lot as FLAC? | Jul 20 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | ignore the EAC error reports | Jul 20 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | and then post them? | Jul 20 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | Eric Sandeen mentioned the logbsize setting | Jul 20 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | said cranking it might make operations on really small files less painful | Jul 20 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | why does Ubuntu 10.10 have GNOME 2.30? | Jul 20 21:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Damn the song got it right; sorry really seems to be the hardest word, maybe it needs an i "iSorry" http://tinyurl.com/27zla4k | Jul 20 21:26 | |
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| ender2070 | why not | Jul 20 21:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Nice try Steve, but no bananas http://tinyurl.com/38foplz | Jul 20 21:32 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's supposed to be 2.31 right? | Jul 20 21:32 |
| ender2070 | it wouldnt be ubuntu if something wasnt obsolete | Jul 20 21:33 |
| ender2070 | im considering one of two things right now | Jul 20 21:51 |
| ender2070 | 1) Build LFS on a spare HDD | Jul 20 21:51 |
| ender2070 | 2) Work on my Fedora 14 Go Packaging | Jul 20 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1532574 | Jul 20 21:51 |
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| DaemonFC | must be using Gnome-Look again | Jul 20 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 21:51 |
| *DaemonFC gift wraps ADO.NET for ender2070 | Jul 20 21:52 | |
| ender2070 | x-shaney-x = sir sane = deadsuperhero | Jul 20 21:52 |
| ender2070 | linsuxx user | Jul 20 21:52 |
| ender2070 | possibly | Jul 20 21:53 |
| ender2070 | seems to be posting a new bug every hour | Jul 20 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I might try the OpenSuse 11.3 KDE edition | Jul 20 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | why exactly do they have a DVD? | Jul 20 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | is there some reason to want it other than more desktops? | Jul 20 21:57 |
| ender2070 | I didnt bother with the DVD | Jul 20 21:57 |
| ender2070 | just used the KDE LiveCD to install | Jul 20 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | DVD is overkill you'd say? | Jul 20 21:57 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 20 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | are their LiveCDs sane? | Jul 20 21:57 |
| ender2070 | yes actually | Jul 20 21:57 |
| ender2070 | no mono on the kde one | Jul 20 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | I remember Fedora LiveCDs weren't all that great at first | Jul 20 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | missing a lot of stuff | Jul 20 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | weird bugs even | Jul 20 21:58 |
| ender2070 | you can make your own very easily | Jul 20 21:58 |
| ender2070 | suse has a build service, you can make a custom opensuse before downloading anything | Jul 20 21:58 |
| ender2070 | fedora has one but it downloads all the packages you want on your own system | Jul 20 21:59 |
| ender2070 | then it builds an iso | Jul 20 21:59 |
| ender2070 | i still like it better though | Jul 20 21:59 |
| ender2070 | opensuse 11.3 is pretty fast, I think GCC 4.5 and its LTO are the reason | Jul 20 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | is OpenSuse's updated for 11.3? | Jul 20 22:00 |
| ender2070 | not sure | Jul 20 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Ubuntu has GCC 4.5 in Maverick | Jul 20 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | but the packages are still built with 4.4 | Jul 20 22:00 |
| ender2070 | Fedora has it in rawhide | Jul 20 22:00 |
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| ender2070 | and right now the gcc maintainer says not to use LTO | Jul 20 22:00 |
| ender2070 | (redhat's gcc maintainer) | Jul 20 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | why did OpenSuse GNOME switch from Beagle to Tracker? | Jul 20 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | aren't they supposed to be promoting Mono? | Jul 20 22:01 |
| ender2070 | opensuse has a community behind it | Jul 20 22:02 |
| ender2070 | enough people found Tracker better | Jul 20 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | ahh, so Novell doesn't give a shit about what OpenSuse is doing, to a point? | Jul 20 22:02 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 20 22:02 |
| ender2070 | if they did they'd never let KDE be the default | Jul 20 22:02 |
| ender2070 | they tried to make a rigged re-election but it fell through | Jul 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | so if OpenSuse is supposed to test stuff for SLED | Jul 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | then why do they let it default to KDE? | Jul 20 22:03 |
| ender2070 | it was voted for | Jul 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | or non-Mono apps? | Jul 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | my dad still buys the boxed sets :P | Jul 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 22:03 |
| ender2070 | people voted for KDE and someone from novell had said the vote mechanism was broken and that they should fix it and do a re-election | Jul 20 22:04 |
| ender2070 | something like that | Jul 20 22:04 |
| ender2070 | im probably missing a few details | Jul 20 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | I really like their GNOME theme | Jul 20 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | Novell should install voting machines | Jul 20 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | from Premier Voting Systems | Jul 20 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 22:04 |
| ender2070 | or Diebold | Jul 20 22:05 |
| MinceR | same company | Jul 20 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | Diebold is now Premier Voting Systems | Jul 20 22:05 |
| ender2070 | ohh | Jul 20 22:05 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 20 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | 100 people voted and 153 prefer GNOME | Jul 20 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | and Banshee | Jul 20 22:05 |
| ender2070 | they still operate as Diebold here in Canada | Jul 20 22:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 20 22:05 |
| ender2070 | i've seen brand new Diebold ATM machines | Jul 20 22:05 |
| ender2070 | kinda scary | Jul 20 22:05 |
| ender2070 | lol, "Thought you had 100 dollars? Think again" | Jul 20 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | Wells Fargo has Diebold ATMS | Jul 20 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | *ATMs | Jul 20 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | I switched to an online bank for a couple reasons | Jul 20 22:07 |
| ender2070 | Or you key in 100 and it withdrawls more | Jul 20 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | my checking account earns interest | Jul 20 22:07 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 20 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | and I can use any ATM in the US for free | Jul 20 22:08 |
| ender2070 | nice | Jul 20 22:08 |
| ender2070 | they fuck us in canada with banks | Jul 20 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | 1 for you and 3 for me, and 1 for you, and 2 for me, and 1 for you, and 12 for me.... | Jul 20 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 22:08 |
| ender2070 | we pay monthly fees to have a bank account | Jul 20 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | mine has 0.5% APY, which isn't a lot | Jul 20 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | but it beats 0.0% | Jul 20 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | which is what Wells Fargo pays | Jul 20 22:09 |
| ender2070 | all the banks charge $12.95 just to have unlimited interac and atm withdrawls | Jul 20 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | plus I got a money market account | Jul 20 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | at 1.29% | Jul 20 22:09 |
| ender2070 | except for my bank | Jul 20 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | I keep all my money in the money market account and let my checking account eat it in $100 increments | Jul 20 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | that way I earn a lot more interest | Jul 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 22:10 |
| ender2070 | im using a discount bank, the guy told me banks in the states dont charge service fees | Jul 20 22:10 |
| ender2070 | is that true? | Jul 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | some don't | Jul 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | a basic checking or savings account typically doesn't | Jul 20 22:10 |
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| ender2070 | savings is free here | Jul 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | they make their money charging merchants to accept their cards | Jul 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | so 1% of anything you buy is charged to the merchant | Jul 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | in Wells Fargo's case anyway | Jul 20 22:11 |
| ender2070 | chequing costs anywhere from $4-$12.95 a month | Jul 20 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Wells Fargo charges $3 a month for Savings accounts | Jul 20 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | but that's waived if you have more than $300 in there | Jul 20 22:11 |
| ender2070 | that kills any interest you make | Jul 20 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | or if you automatically transfer anything from checking | Jul 20 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | so if you transfer $1 a month from checking to savings, there's no fee | Jul 20 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 22:12 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 20 22:12 |
| ender2070 | we have a choice of like 4 banks | Jul 20 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | I had it set up to transfer $0.01 on the 2nd of every month | Jul 20 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | then it would go to see if I owed them a fee on the third and I didn't | Jul 20 22:12 |
| ender2070 | TD Canada Trust, CIBC, Scotiabank, RBC | Jul 20 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | cause something got transferred | Jul 20 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 22:12 |
| ender2070 | oh and HSBC, Wells fargo (rare tho) | Jul 20 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | the penny a month thing is so I couldn't forget to make a transfer and get charged a service fee | Jul 20 22:13 |
| ender2070 | a few discount banks which are really using the major banks | Jul 20 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's all kinds of banks here | Jul 20 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | some of them even pay you to open an account | Jul 20 22:14 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 20 22:14 |
| ender2070 | we dont have competition | Jul 20 22:14 |
| ender2070 | they can all charge $13 for unlimited usage accounts | Jul 20 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Open an account, put $100, they'l put $100 in 30 days later | Jul 20 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | and then you can take the $200 and close the account | Jul 20 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 22:14 |
| ender2070 | and then you hear stuff about governments wanting to phase out money and do everything digitally with bank accounts | Jul 20 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, makes it easy for them to figure out where the money is going | Jul 20 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | helps them bust drug dealers and people who didn't pay their taxes | Jul 20 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | and terrorists | Jul 20 22:15 |
| ender2070 | forcing us to pay $13 /month for the privilege of using our debit/interac like we would cash | Jul 20 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | and people who didn't pay their taxes and ride with Osama | Jul 20 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 22:15 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 20 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Pretty much any time you make money illegally, you're also committing tax evasion | Jul 20 22:16 |
| ender2070 | you know whats the most retarded? | Jul 20 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | prostitutes and drug dealers legally have to file taxes | Jul 20 22:16 |
| ender2070 | think about this | Jul 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | and the thing is that the IRS won't tell law enforcement where you got the money | Jul 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | you can put down that you got it from prostitution | Jul 20 22:17 |
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| ender2070 | what would you do if you maxed out a credit card and were in massive debt? | Jul 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | and they won't tell the FBI | Jul 20 22:17 |
| ender2070 | would you try to get more debt ? | Jul 20 22:17 |
| ender2070 | so that you could keep spending like mad | Jul 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | bankruptcy | Jul 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, The thing is nobody will finance me for a car loan | Jul 20 22:17 |
| ender2070 | nah pretend that doesnt exist | Jul 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | but I do get credit card offers | Jul 20 22:17 |
| ender2070 | this is a thought experiment | Jul 20 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | I thought about maxing a bunch of cards and filing bankruptcy | Jul 20 22:18 |
| ender2070 | no no no | Jul 20 22:18 |
| ender2070 | lets pretend | Jul 20 22:18 |
| ender2070 | you max out a card, is it logical to try to get more cards or debt, so that you can continue spending money you can't afford to spend? | Jul 20 22:18 |
| ender2070 | would you keep spending like crazy | Jul 20 22:18 |
| ender2070 | a government would say yes | Jul 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still trying to figure out how to get KDE to use my microphone | Jul 20 22:20 |
| ender2070 | a government is like an irresponsible teenager who got his first credit card | Jul 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | between the Sound control panel and KMIX, there's nothing I can do to get it to use it | Jul 20 22:21 |
| ender2070 | except, ours never learn and they keep borrowing so they can spend like mad | Jul 20 22:21 |
| ender2070 | so taxes go up | Jul 20 22:22 |
| ender2070 | then they borrow more and they have to invent new taxes and levys on stuff that wasnt taxed before | Jul 20 22:22 |
| ender2070 | your government shouldnt be lending money to third world countries because it has no money to lend | Jul 20 22:23 |
| ender2070 | it has to borrow to lend | Jul 20 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | yes, the debt that can never be paid back | Jul 20 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | the taxes cover the interest | Jul 20 22:24 |
| ender2070 | so we get taxed, so a third world country can get its dictators paid more | Jul 20 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | and the bank can print money and cause inflation | Jul 20 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | they've investing more in power plants in Afghanistan for the Taliban | Jul 20 22:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Prefiro em #ODF! Normas Abertas FTW! ♺ @GabrielfSilva: onde é que se pode ler a proposta de revisão constitucional do psd? (doc) | Jul 20 22:24 | |
| DaemonFC | than they are in America, for Americans | Jul 20 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | with my tax money | Jul 20 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | fuckers | Jul 20 22:24 |
| ender2070 | when they invent taxes for environmental reasons, nobody can bitch | Jul 20 22:24 |
| ender2070 | if they do, they are an evil SUV driving right wing christian | Jul 20 22:25 |
| ender2070 | or a climate change denier | Jul 20 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | well, apparently I'm Rush Limbaugh if I don't want to spend my money to carry the rest of the world | Jul 20 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | according to schestowitz | Jul 20 22:25 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 20 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | it's not my fault his country erased its borders | Jul 20 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | and bends over for the EU | Jul 20 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 22:25 |
| ender2070 | yup | Jul 20 22:25 |
| ender2070 | people in the EU are brainwashed imop | Jul 20 22:25 |
| ender2070 | imo | Jul 20 22:26 |
| ender2070 | they have no problem with collectivism | Jul 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | there's a KDE version of Transmission right? | Jul 20 22:26 |
| ender2070 | theres KTorrent | Jul 20 22:26 |
| ender2070 | I find it works better | Jul 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | automatic blocklist updates? | Jul 20 22:27 |
| ender2070 | transmission has that? | Jul 20 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 20 22:29 |
| ender2070 | thats pretty cool | Jul 20 22:29 |
| ender2070 | it has a Qt client | Jul 20 22:30 |
| ender2070 | even a daemon | Jul 20 22:31 |
| ender2070 | http://www.transmissionbt.com/ | Jul 20 22:31 |
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| ender2070 | eeek distractions | Jul 20 22:31 |
| ender2070 | LFS or Go Packaging | Jul 20 22:32 |
| ender2070 | hmmm | Jul 20 22:32 |
| MinceR | cardboard boxes? | Jul 20 22:34 |
| ender2070 | making go rpm packages for the go compiler | Jul 20 22:34 |
| MinceR | pft | Jul 20 22:36 |
| ender2070 | or making linux from scratch | Jul 20 22:36 |
| ender2070 | i haven't decided yet | Jul 20 22:37 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] ♻ @arnebab: “Life is not read-only” → http://2tu.us/2hjb — Why share and how to make this world a better place for creativity ⇒ !cc !gnu | Jul 20 22:45 | |
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| *DaemonFC wonders if Sauerbraten still fails to build on Mandriva | Jul 20 22:51 | |
| *MinceR just installs it from the repo :> | Jul 20 22:52 | |
| DaemonFC | ohhh, NEW sauerbraten update out | Jul 20 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | as of yesterday! | Jul 20 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Mandriva doesn't have it | Jul 20 22:53 |
| MinceR | mandriva sucks | Jul 20 22:53 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora doesn't have it | Jul 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's due to the artwork | Jul 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | the games artwork isn't "free" or whatever | Jul 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | which I think is ridiculous | Jul 20 22:53 |
| MinceR | debian has sauerbraten-data in non-free | Jul 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | you have permission to distribute it | Jul 20 22:53 |
| ender2070 | do you? | Jul 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | well, I think it's just a case of people throwing a tantrum | Jul 20 22:55 |
| MinceR | dunno, all i can find is "zlib license" | Jul 20 22:56 |
| MinceR | but i haven't looked into the package | Jul 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva is pushing Bittorrent over mirrors now it seems | Jul 20 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana University is still a mirror though | Jul 20 22:59 |
| ender2070 | mandriva isn't worth using | Jul 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/mandrake/official/iso/2010.1 | Jul 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/mandrake/official/iso/2010.1 | Jul 20 22:59 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 20 22:59 |
| MinceR | http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license | Jul 20 22:59 |
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| MinceR | that's pretty nonfree | Jul 20 22:59 |
| MinceR | but it can be redistributed | Jul 20 22:59 |
| ender2070 | just redistribution doesn't mean free | Jul 20 23:00 |
| MinceR | having a "non-free" part in the repo is a good idea, imo | Jul 20 23:00 |
| ender2070 | freeware often has redistribution allowances | Jul 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | well the engine is "free" | Jul 20 23:00 |
| MinceR | the engine itself is free software | Jul 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | right | Jul 20 23:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Viva as PayWalls. NOT! ♺ @agranado The Times perde 90% de leitores online: A NOTÍCIA é de um jornal da concorrência http://bit.ly/9iW2jg | Jul 20 23:00 | |
| ender2070 | its open core | Jul 20 23:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I think the guy is well within his rights to keep the artwork he made | Jul 20 23:00 |
| ender2070 | sure | Jul 20 23:00 |
| ender2070 | he is | Jul 20 23:01 |
| ender2070 | doesnt make it free software though | Jul 20 23:01 |
| MinceR | yes, artwork works somewhat differently from software | Jul 20 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's not software | Jul 20 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | the software part of the game is all fre | Jul 20 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | *free | Jul 20 23:01 |
| MinceR | it's software | Jul 20 23:01 |
| MinceR | hardware is the part you can kick, software is the part you can't | Jul 20 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | well, I meant the engine is free | Jul 20 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | which is the actual program | Jul 20 23:01 |
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| DaemonFC | the artwork isn't, but it is distributable | Jul 20 23:02 |
| ender2070 | "The game is freeware, you may freely distribute the archive and/or installer unmodified on any media. You may re-compress using different archival formats suitable for your OS (i.e. zip/tgz/rpm/deb/dmg), any changes beyond that require explicit permission from the developers." | Jul 20 23:02 |
| MinceR | a distro that has no allowance for nonfree packages in its repos can only ship sauerbraten in an unplayable state, sadly | Jul 20 23:02 |
| MinceR | then again, they could have included a script that fetches the data files | Jul 20 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | then RMS would be pissed | Jul 20 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 20 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | "Quit encouraging them!" | Jul 20 23:02 |
| ender2070 | he would be | Jul 20 23:02 |
| MinceR | i doubt he's pissed at debian | Jul 20 23:02 |
| ender2070 | but RMS wouldn't like freeware either | Jul 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | good thing he's unimportant | Jul 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 20 23:03 |
| cubezzz3 | MinceR, why not just compile from source? | Jul 20 23:03 |
| cubezzz3 | no need to rely on repos | Jul 20 23:03 |
| MinceR | no time ;) | Jul 20 23:03 |
| MinceR | no time, got to kill things | Jul 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva has a nonfree repo | Jul 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | but it's mainly just drivers | Jul 20 23:04 |
| MinceR | plus having a binary package means not having to worry about being able to compile | Jul 20 23:04 |
| MinceR | unlike on gentoo | Jul 20 23:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: then they're Doing It Wrong. :> | Jul 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/mandrake/official/2010.1/x86_64/media/non-free/backports/ | Jul 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | dkms-fglrx-8.741-1mdv2010.1.x86_64.rpm | Jul 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 23:04 |
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| MinceR | error 421 | Jul 20 23:05 |
| MinceR | too many connections from your internet address | Jul 20 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | Error 421: MinceR is not 1337 enough for Indiana University | Jul 20 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 23:05 |
| MinceR | either 1 is too many or kio is going berserk again | Jul 20 23:05 |
| MinceR | or the indiana guys fail at configuring ftp servers | Jul 20 23:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kevin McBride Takes on #Linux http://techrights.org/2010/07/20/suppressing-sco-discussion/ | Jul 20 23:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | not possible | Jul 20 23:06 |
| MinceR | unpossible? | Jul 20 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR is just lucky Indiana doesn't declare war on Hungary B-) | Jul 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | you can't even find hungary on a map | Jul 20 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | sure I could | Jul 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | you can't, you're usian :> | Jul 20 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | give me a magnifying glass | Jul 20 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure it's somewhere | Jul 20 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | besides there's no oil here so there's no point | Jul 20 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | no oil, just the influx of Ethnic Hungarians from the Sudetenland | Jul 20 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 23:08 |
| MinceR | lol wut | Jul 20 23:09 |
| MinceR | who the hell would want to move here | Jul 20 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | obviously someone | Jul 20 23:09 |
| *DaemonFC learns Hungarian and claims citizenship | Jul 20 23:09 | |
| MinceR | our government is just about to drive itself into bankruptcy | Jul 20 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, most governments are like that you know? | Jul 20 23:10 |
| MinceR | funny, i don't remember fidesz being this retarded 8 years ago | Jul 20 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | good thing the debt is made of imaginary money | Jul 20 23:10 |
| MinceR | these guys are trying a lot harder | Jul 20 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | the debtors can just imagine I paid them | Jul 20 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 20 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Jul 20 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | creditors | Jul 20 23:11 |
| MinceR | perhaps King Viktor the First got traumatized by losing power and not having it for 8 years | Jul 20 23:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] LoL ♺ @wilw: Trying to read a book about Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, but whenever I look for it, it moves. | Jul 20 23:11 | |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 20 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | seriously, I'm in so much personal debt right now that even if I didn't EVER incur anymore, it would take me about 20 years to pay it all back | Jul 20 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | so they can just sue away | Jul 20 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | fuck em | Jul 20 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I won't even dispute the debts | Jul 20 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | I've told them on the phone that I want them to sue me so they can be out even more money from paying their lawyers | Jul 20 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | I even offer to settle my accounts for $1 | Jul 20 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | and inform them it's the best offer they'll get | Jul 20 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, some think I'm joking | Jul 20 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | some think I'm just crazy | Jul 20 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | but I've seen my finances | Jul 20 23:15 |
| MinceR | i think both are true | Jul 20 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | clearly they don't know what they're up against | Jul 20 23:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Presentation Slides: Threats to Software Freedom http://ur1.ca/0s2un Well, it's online now, so there we go | Jul 20 23:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, when Hungary moves to annex the Sudetenland, where will you be? | Jul 20 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 23:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 20 23:16 |
| MinceR | hopefully on an island that i own completely | Jul 20 23:16 |
| MinceR | (that is, a sovereign "state" of my own) | Jul 20 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | Jul 20 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceRland? | Jul 20 23:17 |
| MinceR | something like that | Jul 20 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | or MinceRstan? | Jul 20 23:17 |
| MinceR | MinceRstan and MinceRpan? | Jul 20 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | or how about the Constitutional Federal Republic of MinceRstan | Jul 20 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | featuring El Jefe himself | Jul 20 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | President for Life MinceR | Jul 20 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Jul 20 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | Constitution Federal Democratic People's Republic of MinceRstan | Jul 20 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | *Constitutional | Jul 20 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | you ever notice that the more Statist a country is, the more the power is with "the people"? | Jul 20 23:19 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 20 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | depends what "people" they refer to I guess | Jul 20 23:19 |
| MinceR | the People's Republic for the People | Jul 20 23:19 |
| MinceR | i think it's like Ankh-Morpork | Jul 20 23:19 |
| MinceR | they have the rule of "one man, one vote" | Jul 20 23:20 |
| MinceR | the Patrician is the Man, and he has the Vote. | Jul 20 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | The People's Republic for the People, by the People, with a special guest appearance by the People | Jul 20 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | which people? | Jul 20 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | the Village People | Jul 20 23:20 |
| MinceR | also starring the People | Jul 20 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | why not? | Jul 20 23:20 |
| MinceR | the People's Republic of People for the People by the People | Jul 20 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | one vote for El Jefe | Jul 20 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | is all it takes | Jul 20 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | and El Jefe votes for El Jefe | Jul 20 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Whenever someone runs opposed, I write in "El Jefe" | Jul 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | *unopposed | Jul 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's funny, because they never list who the write-in candidates are | Jul 20 23:22 |
| MinceR | In Democracy, your vote counts. In Feudalism, your count votes. | Jul 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | like 234 votes for so and so and 1 vote for "Write-in" | Jul 20 23:22 |
| MinceR | In America, you can always find a party. In Soviet Russia, the party finds you! | Jul 20 23:23 |
| MinceR | In Soviet Russia, browser keeps tabs on YOU!! | Jul 20 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | isolated tabs or grouped? | Jul 20 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | for questions like that, the black limo will come for you | Jul 20 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, My new bank sent out this privacy notice with a bunch of opt out bullshit I had to call their 800 number for | Jul 20 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise I'd have them selling my private info to junk mailers | Jul 20 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | I think I found out why bank accounts are free here | Jul 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | the bank not only charges merchants, they sell your demographic info unless you read page 47 of the privacy notice | Jul 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | and decide to opt out | Jul 20 23:26 |
| MinceR | and did you opt out? | Jul 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | but you have to do it for each account | Jul 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | and the process takes about 5 minutes for each phone call | Jul 20 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | I hate junk mail and telemarketers | Jul 20 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | I've done everything I can to stop both of them | Jul 20 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | including filing a report with the post office that I find every piece of junk mail sexually offensive | Jul 20 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then the post office has to issue a postal restraining order against the sender | Jul 20 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | and you can sue them for $1,500 for each piece of mail you get from them after that | Jul 20 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | the Supreme Court said that anything you declare sexually offensive is in fact sexually offensive for the purpose of that report | Jul 20 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | so I find shop at home catalogs and credit card offers sexually offensive | Jul 20 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | sexually harassing even | Jul 20 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | cool huh? | Jul 20 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I can't remember the last time I got any junk mail | Jul 20 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | it must have been years | Jul 20 23:31 |
| MinceR | i get a slight trickle of spam | Jul 20 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Some telemarketers with some long distance phone company called me while I was stoned once | Jul 20 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | asking if I'd like to save $5 a month on my phone bill | Jul 20 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | I was like "Hell no! I hate money, can't stand it, I want you to take more of it. How can I DOUBLE my phone bill? Take it all!" | Jul 20 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | "We're a bunch of transvestites and saving money is against our religion" | Jul 20 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | Jul 20 23:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @PartidoPirataPT: Partido Pirata Português apresenta manifesto: «Internet para todos» http://bit.ly/cA4JjM | Jul 20 23:33 | |
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| MinceR | "i already told the phone company that i don't want to pay at all, but they weren't impressed" | Jul 20 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, then there was the time when I thought my neighbor was pranking me | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | knocked on my door | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | "Who is it?" | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | The police | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh right Robert, very funny, tell them to go fuck themselves" | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | No, it really is the police! | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | "Yeah, tell them to fuck off!" | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | I open my door and there really is a cop there giving me a dirty look | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 20 23:36 |
| MinceR | "which part of 'fuck off' do you not understand?" | Jul 20 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | yeah... | Jul 20 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Mas era mm quase isso (na AR) ♺ @GabrielfSilva: @RuiSeabra O Negrão gostava de lá meter o cubano pré-crime certamente :) | Jul 20 23:37 | |
| MinceR | gn | Jul 20 23:38 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Cows?! Holy crap, I am tripping balls here http://u.nu/4mdkd | Jul 20 23:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- cows & cows & cows .::. Size~: 88.3 KB | Jul 20 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'm disappointed with this movie already, MinceR | Jul 20 23:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Zealand’s Intellectual Monopoly Office Wants Software Patents, With Caveats http://ur1.ca/0s305 #swpats #patents | Jul 20 23:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] E ainda por cima sao contra a #NetNeutrality! ♺ @mind_booster: #Vodafone #FAIL re: http://ff.im/nZbjV | Jul 20 23:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: New Zealands Intellectual Monopoly Office Wants Software Patents, With Caveats | Techrights .::. Size~: 82.83 KB | Jul 20 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Coisas que não entendo: Vodafone - paula simoes ☃ - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 7.28 KB | Jul 20 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | 2 minutes in and Richard Gere put a gun in his mouth and didn't pull the trigger | Jul 20 23:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BP shot a load of toxic chemicals into the Deepwater Horizon well to get around waste disposal laws http://u.nu/7s5kd | Jul 20 23:50 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Small leaks spring at BP oil well; cap to stay in place for now .::. Size~: 112.3 KB | Jul 20 23:50 |
| *ender2070 (~ender2070@bas22-toronto12-2925103372.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | Jul 20 23:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s #CodePlex Foundation Expresses Views on #FreeSoftware http://techrights.org/2010/07/20/walli-on-fs/ #osi #fsf | Jul 20 23:59 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft’s CodePlex Foundation Expresses Views on Free Software | Techrights .::. Size~: 81.62 KB | Jul 20 23:59 |
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