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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Applicants must buy Windows with Internet Explorer from a convicted monopoly abuser, says a government site http://ur1.ca/0vzl3 | Jul 30 00:01 | |
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| cubevector | heh, yeah saw that | Jul 30 00:05 |
| cubevector | can't tell you if it's like that in Canada or not | Jul 30 00:06 |
| cubevector | had some trouble with the last census | Jul 30 00:07 |
| *Cuana is now known as Wulf-is-not-here | Jul 30 00:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Robbie Williamson, my colleague and manager of Ubuntu Foundations talks about why he does Open Source - http://is.gd/dRHxl #ubuntu | Jul 30 00:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "uTorrent Web Now Available on iPad and Android" - http://tinyurl.com/37mgwv3 #utorrent #tpb #filesharing #android #android | Jul 30 00:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Debian is awesome. That is all. :-) | Jul 30 00:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Microsoft slams Yahoo Japan-Google Deal as "Anticompetitive" http://ur1.ca/0w2iq | Jul 30 01:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Hi Marty! Its ironic that now Microsoft is claiming "anti-competitive"..... | Jul 30 01:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Hi Tim, indeed, my first reaction was LOL and "Oh the irony" :-) | Jul 30 01:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After making it's claim @SQLSequel seems to have slithered away... how about disclosure? #mvpbuzz #mvp #microsoft #fail | Jul 30 01:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'll be following up @SQLSequel tomorrow, mind you with 1 MVP follower, its hardly the definitive word.....bless. #mvpbuzz #mvp #microsoft | Jul 30 01:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/211-free-wine-compatible-games-in-one.html | Jul 30 01:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 211 free Wine-compatible Games in one download | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 68.14 KB | Jul 30 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 30 01:24 |
| oiaohm | I think someone found the test suite | Jul 30 01:34 |
| oiaohm | There is a quite a massive game collection free maintained by a google person as a test suite for wine to check function. DaemonFC | Jul 30 01:35 |
| cubevector | in theory I can receive 51 channels via the antenna | Jul 30 01:35 |
| cubevector | in fact, I'm probably in the best spot in North America for reception | Jul 30 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Boy you are lucky. | Jul 30 01:37 |
| oiaohm | By antenna I only get about 16 dig channels free. | Jul 30 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | I get like 3-4 I think | Jul 30 01:37 |
| oiaohm | I get 5 old analog | Jul 30 01:38 |
| oiaohm | That are duplicated on the dig | Jul 30 01:38 |
| oiaohm | All free to air. | Jul 30 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Yes and there are still times when there is nothing worth watching on. | Jul 30 01:39 |
| cubevector | yes :) | Jul 30 01:41 |
| cubevector | but at least I avoid cable | Jul 30 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is really the most disgustingly offensive application you can run under KDE | Jul 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's impossible to make it behave like a KDE application | Jul 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | you can get "close but no cigar" | Jul 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | Opera manages to behave like the desktop it's running under, why can't Firefox? | Jul 30 01:43 |
| cubevector | well you could just run konqueror | Jul 30 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Opera uses QT from memory. | Jul 30 01:44 |
| oiaohm | QT does not weld perferctly into gnome desktop either. | Jul 30 01:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Free Text translation in a single click! - http://www.babelfish.com/?aff=3713 | Jul 30 02:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7965681 | Jul 30 02:11 |
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| DaemonFC | Empathy = Pidgin from 5 years ago | Jul 30 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | actually, maybe worse | Jul 30 02:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Holy smokes! someone or something is abusing my twitter account to spread bablefish spam... | Jul 30 02:24 | |
| DaemonFC | rpm --force --nodeps -ivh clementine-0.4-1.fc12.x86_64.rpm | Jul 30 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 30 02:44 |
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| DaemonFC | it works, you have to have gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and lib64glew first though | Jul 30 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 02:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Afghanistan IED animation map 2004-2010 (video) http://bit.ly/9T08r3 | Jul 30 03:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks in the clear, legally http://bit.ly/dA3DB2 | Bloomberg | Jul 30 03:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Inaccurate, craven US media. Read the comments carefully. http://politi.co/bCojGc | Jul 30 04:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Gates, who killed thousands in Iraq, Afg and Iran-Contra says we might have 'blood on our hands'. http://cs.pn/azCUtn | Jul 30 04:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My take on Red Hat, Canonical and GNOME Contributions - http://is.gd/dS4Fh #ubuntu #gnome #canonical #redhat | Jul 30 04:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks and the Whitehouse (interview, ABC) http://bit.ly/abqV8G | Jul 30 04:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Washington Post's objective reporting on fine display again http://bit.ly/c8Spgc | Jul 30 05:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] my latest satire on patent system http://lug-iitd.posterous.com/my-latest-invention-is-much-much-better-then #swpat | Jul 30 06:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Having a bad Dio day today - a day when I miss having Dio in my world. | Jul 30 06:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 30 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat does 16% of the work on GNOME | Jul 30 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | and Canonical does 1% | Jul 30 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, 1% is better than their contributions to other parts of the stack they use | Jul 30 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | there's Canonical, right under a Sun, Nokia, and a few companies I've never heard of | Jul 30 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2010/07/28/gnome-census/ | Jul 30 06:13 |
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| DaemonFC | that's kind of sad | Jul 30 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME gets a third more commits from Nokia than from Canonical | Jul 30 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | that reminded me of Nvidia making more commits to Linux | Jul 30 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | the stack that Ubuntu uses would suffer more from losing Nokia and Nvidia than from losing Canonical's participation | Jul 30 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, they mention Evolution | Jul 30 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | which is a tank | Jul 30 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | jono: There's something you could improve | Jul 30 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | ditch Evolution and put in Thunderbird and Sunbird | Jul 30 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | you already have 90% of them installed anyway with Xulrunner | Jul 30 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, the suckiest thing in GNOME is maintained by Canonical | Jul 30 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | (Empathy) | Jul 30 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably what got them to 1% | Jul 30 06:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Met Office and its US equivalent has provided the "greatest evidence we have ever had" that the world is warming.' http://ur1.ca/0wk7g | Jul 30 06:25 | |
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| amarsh04 | .au evidence agrees too schestowitz http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/29/2967433.htm | Jul 30 06:31 |
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| amarsh04 | see also: http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s2967296.htm | Jul 30 06:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst change password quick | Jul 30 06:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Can someone listout the prior art for this patent - http://bit.ly/auNvMV we are filing pre-grant opposition. #swpat | Jul 30 06:40 | |
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| cubevector | what is pl... hmmm | Jul 30 06:42 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: thanks, added | Jul 30 06:42 |
| cubevector | poland, lol | Jul 30 06:42 |
| cubevector | i wanted WROC fm rochester radio | Jul 30 06:42 |
| cubevector | I get some polish radio station | Jul 30 06:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Can someone listout the prior art for this patent - http://bit.ly/auNvMV we are filing pre-grant opposition. #swpat | Jul 30 06:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Stoked to see Máirín and Ray got hitched - http://is.gd/dSeS7 :-) | Jul 30 06:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | yes, they coordinate the lies | Jul 30 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | just like the Coalition of the Drilling | Jul 30 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | tax you more, keep more for themselves | Jul 30 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | they win, you think global warming exists and that's why they're doing it | Jul 30 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | actually, that's them winning twice | Jul 30 06:45 |
| cubevector | my 2 cents, it's warming up | Jul 30 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | nobody would agree to cut back if they knew that it was a lie covering rich people hording what's left | Jul 30 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | would they? | Jul 30 06:46 |
| cubevector | probably not | Jul 30 06:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The database size of the techrights blog exceeded 100MB last night (compressed) | Jul 30 06:46 | |
| cubevector | it is getting warmer though | Jul 30 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | I still think that a global increase of half a degree fahrenheit over the last 60 years is questionable "evidence" | Jul 30 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Climate changes all the time | Jul 30 06:47 |
| schestowitz | And we contribute to it | Jul 30 06:47 |
| schestowitz | You're missing the point | Jul 30 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | I think we contribute a very small amount | Jul 30 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | and one good volcano eruption can outdo all of human CO2 output in history | Jul 30 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 30 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | the eruption of Krakatoa contributed more to global warming (if it does indeed exist) than anything humans have done to date | Jul 30 06:48 |
| cubevector | more than WWII? | Jul 30 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Jul 30 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | all human activity | Jul 30 06:49 |
| cubevector | citation? | Jul 30 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, notwithstanding the CO2 emissions, Krakatoa caused a fairly intense, immediate change in climate | Jul 30 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | worldwide | Jul 30 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | that lasted several years | Jul 30 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | and who knows? THAT might have caused something to go extinct! | Jul 30 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | I say we outlaw nature | Jul 30 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's worked well in the case of Marijuana | Jul 30 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | why not tell the volcano that we humans got together and made it illegal for further eruptions to occur? | Jul 30 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | I know, we can TAX volcanoes! | Jul 30 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | then they can't afford to erupt | Jul 30 06:51 |
| cubevector | 1883 | Jul 30 06:51 |
| MinceR | and we can send you to enforce it | Jul 30 06:52 |
| cubevector | but I don't see anything that says it caused more global warming than all human activity | Jul 30 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | There's also trees that release photochemical smog | Jul 30 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | shall we cut them all down? | Jul 30 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | or mandate catalytic converters? | Jul 30 06:52 |
| cubevector | in fact it says "In the year following the eruption, average global temperatures fell by as much as 1.2 °C (2.2 °F)" | Jul 30 06:53 |
| schestowitz | Natural causes always changed climate | Jul 30 06:53 |
| schestowitz | But humans /contribute/ to it | Jul 30 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | cubevector: Yes, it also released sulphur dioxide | Jul 30 06:53 |
| cubevector | yes but that's cooling :) | Jul 30 06:53 |
| schestowitz | So you're _totally_ missing the point | Jul 30 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | which caused an acute global cooling | Jul 30 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | but the CO2 emissions are a separate issue | Jul 30 06:53 |
| cubevector | you said warming | Jul 30 06:53 |
| cubevector | look up | Jul 30 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | no, I said climate change | Jul 30 06:53 |
| oiaohm | We have two effects | Jul 30 06:53 |
| oiaohm | global warming and global dimming. | Jul 30 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | 01:43DaemonFCin fact, notwithstanding the CO2 emissions, Krakatoa caused a fairly intense, immediate change in climate | Jul 30 06:54 |
| cubevector | <DaemonFC> the eruption of Krakatoa contributed more to global warming | Jul 30 06:54 |
| oiaohm | global dimming is the more dangous one. | Jul 30 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | the acute cooling period | Jul 30 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | right | Jul 30 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | it also released lots of CO2 | Jul 30 06:54 |
| oiaohm | Forget CO2 nature deals with that fairly well as long as we allow nature to do it job. | Jul 30 06:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Jees, just saw I now have 5000 followers. You people should get out more. Bonkers. | Jul 30 06:54 | |
| schestowitz | jono: well done | Jul 30 06:55 |
| oiaohm | Ie compact our citys and most of the CO2 issue will sort it self out. | Jul 30 06:55 |
| oiaohm | The diming is worse. | Jul 30 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | jono: has his own robotic Ubuntu clone army | Jul 30 06:55 |
| oiaohm | Dimming causes less evaporation. | Jul 30 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | the world is not safe | Jul 30 06:55 |
| oiaohm | That in turn causes less rainful. | Jul 30 06:55 |
| oiaohm | fall | Jul 30 06:55 |
| jono | thanks schestowitz :) | Jul 30 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | we'll all be integrated into Amazon soon | Jul 30 06:55 |
| jono | DaemonFC, lol | Jul 30 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | through Mono | Jul 30 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 06:56 |
| oiaohm | So meaning nature cannot dispose of our execess CO2 production. | Jul 30 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Dimming is basically a driving force. | Jul 30 06:56 |
| cubevector | so what should be done about Global Dimming? | Jul 30 06:56 |
| schestowitz | Deploy mirrors :-) | Jul 30 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Dimming is reducing fine particular and crap in the atmosphere. | Jul 30 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | well, we could just do what they did in Futurama | Jul 30 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Opps ie dealing with it. | Jul 30 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | find a way to move the Earth into a further orbit from the Sun | Jul 30 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 06:57 |
| oiaohm | Is reducing fine particals in the atmosphere. | Jul 30 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | a few million miles ought to cool things down nicely | Jul 30 06:57 |
| schestowitz | mirror.globaldimming.org | Jul 30 06:57 |
| oiaohm | Dimming you want to move closer to the sun. | Jul 30 06:57 |
| oiaohm | Because its a lack of light reaching surface. | Jul 30 06:57 |
| oiaohm | No light no us. | Jul 30 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is that moving the entire planet with our current level of technology is not feasible | Jul 30 06:58 |
| oiaohm | Problem is dimming screws us. | Jul 30 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm sure in 200 years, we'll be able to | Jul 30 06:58 |
| schestowitz | What a crazy idea | Jul 30 06:58 |
| *DaemonFC lights a couple of farts and turns the air conditioner on | Jul 30 06:58 | |
| oiaohm | Ie global warming means you want to move earth away from sun so we don't cook. | Jul 30 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's your descendent's problem | Jul 30 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 06:58 |
| oiaohm | Problem is no light no plants | Jul 30 06:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Groklaw: USPTO Asks for Comments on New Interim Guidance on Bilski http://ur1.ca/0wlya | Jul 30 06:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @schestowitz Time to use GIT instead of SQL dumps. | Jul 30 06:58 | |
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| oiaohm | Dimming means we need to move closer to sun so while global warming is there we will cook dealing with dimming | Jul 30 06:59 |
| cubevector | right, so we need to move the Earth 50 million miles farther away, then 50 million miles back again | Jul 30 06:59 |
| cubevector | perfect | Jul 30 06:59 |
| oiaohm | Only correct solution is repair the earth. | Jul 30 06:59 |
| oiaohm | We cannot move it either way. | Jul 30 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | cubevector: 3 million miles out would cool the planet down at least 5-6 degrees Fahrenheit on average | Jul 30 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | I believe | Jul 30 06:59 |
| oiaohm | Unless we have dealt with 1 of the 2 problems. | Jul 30 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | the global warming fraudsters say we've incresed the temp by half a degree F | Jul 30 07:00 |
| MinceR | cure it of its human infection? | Jul 30 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | over 60 years | Jul 30 07:00 |
| oiaohm | Ie we have to cure global warming or global dimming to be able to move the earth. | Jul 30 07:00 |
| MinceR | (or infestation) | Jul 30 07:00 |
| oiaohm | Global dimming is masking the effect of global warming. | Jul 30 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | sure | Jul 30 07:00 |
| schestowitz | According to ryan we can stop worrying about emissions cause in 200 years we can maybe change the route of this little thing called the Earth. it's like the soot apologists ("don't worry, some day there will be a magic solution and Jesus will descend from the sky, too") | Jul 30 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | now you have to make shit up | Jul 30 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | to cover up the shit you made up | Jul 30 07:00 |
| oiaohm | No | Jul 30 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | perfect | Jul 30 07:01 |
| oiaohm | Global diming is the simplest thing to test for. | Jul 30 07:01 |
| oiaohm | Evaporation pans. | Jul 30 07:01 |
| oiaohm | Rate of evaporation has been declining. | Jul 30 07:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: too much FOx. No more FOX for you. | Jul 30 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That was my way of saying I don't CARE what happens to the Earth in 100 years | Jul 30 07:01 |
| oiaohm | Turns out evaporation depends on light to work. | Jul 30 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | and if they can move it into a further orbit, good for them | Jul 30 07:01 |
| cubevector | too much crap in the atmosphere | Jul 30 07:01 |
| cubevector | time to plant more trees | Jul 30 07:02 |
| oiaohm | And compact cities cubevector | Jul 30 07:02 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, among the US population the level of global warming scepticism is highest. The FCC needs to crack down on shill 'media' | Jul 30 07:02 |
| oiaohm | So we can walk to work instead of drive. | Jul 30 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | what we need to do is plant schestowitz out in the sun | Jul 30 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | maybe in the middle of an ant hill | Jul 30 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 30 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | does anyone have some grape jelly? | Jul 30 07:02 |
| schestowitz | The whole world is wrong, only the investigative journalists of Fox can save intl' journalism now | Jul 30 07:02 |
| cubevector | haha | Jul 30 07:03 |
| oiaohm | Funny part is cure global dimming most likely cure global warming. | Jul 30 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | they'll cure global warming | Jul 30 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | right after AIDS | Jul 30 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | and Cancer | Jul 30 07:03 |
| schestowitz | They can also enlighten us about the "Marxist communist" from Kenya and Al Qaeda (Obama) :-) | Jul 30 07:03 |
| cubevector | we banned aerosols, guess that wasn't enough | Jul 30 07:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie more light more evaporation more rain more planits by by CO2 problem. | Jul 30 07:03 |
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| cubevector | you know, we got a lot of rain this year around here | Jul 30 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubevector: I still use aerosol deodorant | Jul 30 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | does that count? | Jul 30 07:03 |
| cubevector | uh, I don't know :) | Jul 30 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Worse global dimming gets less rainfall everywhere will get. | Jul 30 07:04 |
| oiaohm | rain/snow fall. | Jul 30 07:04 |
| cubevector | we had tons of plant growth too | Jul 30 07:04 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: hmm.. it has been cool here last week, therefore there is no global warming :-) | Jul 30 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | you know, yesterday there was the damndest storm here | Jul 30 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Anecdotes versus statistics | Jul 30 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | it flooded the street within about 20 minutes | Jul 30 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Ie disappearing ice might have nothing todo with global warming. | Jul 30 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | was basically raining sideways | Jul 30 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Could be completely about global dimming. | Jul 30 07:04 |
| cubevector | oiaohm, but if we have global dimming, shouldn't that keep the glaciers from melting? | Jul 30 07:05 |
| cubevector | which they are | Jul 30 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | you know that the hottest July ever in Indiana was in 1934? | Jul 30 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | well before global warming was invented | Jul 30 07:05 |
| oiaohm | glaciers need to be replaced with new falls. cubevector | Jul 30 07:05 |
| cubevector | ha, right | Jul 30 07:05 |
| cubevector | more snowfall | Jul 30 07:06 |
| MinceR | well, a single data point definitely proves everything | Jul 30 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Yep dimming causes less snowfall. | Jul 30 07:06 |
| cubevector | no, I agree we have had less now for sure | Jul 30 07:06 |
| cubevector | now=snow | Jul 30 07:06 |
| oiaohm | But there are keystone points MinceR | Jul 30 07:07 |
| oiaohm | Light reaching earth surface is a keystone if altered has large effects. | Jul 30 07:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/26/eu-carbon-trading-website-hacked | Jul 30 07:08 |
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| cubevector | I've seen the photos of Mt Everest | Jul 30 07:08 |
| oiaohm | Basically people forget glaciers are always melting. | Jul 30 07:08 |
| cubevector | glaciers in the 1920's were much larger than they are now | Jul 30 07:08 |
| oiaohm | And its natural. | Jul 30 07:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and which july was the hottest ever in indiana? | Jul 30 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | emacs causes global warming | Jul 30 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | and Al Gore invented emacs | Jul 30 07:08 |
| MinceR | good thing i use vim, then | Jul 30 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jul 30 07:08 |
| schestowitz | [07:05] <DaemonFC> well before global warming was invented | Jul 30 07:09 |
| schestowitz | also post industrial revolution | Jul 30 07:09 |
| MinceR | did Al Gore invent emacs before or after the internet? | Jul 30 07:09 |
| oiaohm | Note dimming is double sided evil. MinceR | Jul 30 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | he invented emacs and then wrote the internet with it | Jul 30 07:09 |
| MinceR | oh. | Jul 30 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | to be specific | Jul 30 07:09 |
| cubevector | haha | Jul 30 07:09 |
| oiaohm | Dimming stops light for getting in. | Jul 30 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Al Gore seems misled for other reasons | Jul 30 07:09 |
| oiaohm | and heat getting out. | Jul 30 07:09 |
| schestowitz | He's not spokesman for climate issues, he's not a science professional | Jul 30 07:09 |
| oiaohm | Parts that make up dimming don't include co2 | Jul 30 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: How do you feel about XEmacs? | Jul 30 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Heh. His favourite song is, "I say a little prayer for you" (religious) | Jul 30 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | at work I just make time | Jul 30 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | and all through my coffee break time | Jul 30 07:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he never said that. He said he provided funding for emacs :-) | Jul 30 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | I say a little prayer for global warming victims | Jul 30 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | lalalala | Jul 30 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 07:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: those who are skeptical of change are religious | Jul 30 07:11 |
| cubevector | 2010 sure isn't as good as I thought it would be :) | Jul 30 07:11 |
| schestowitz | Those who warn about the problem are climatologists | Jul 30 07:11 |
| oiaohm | Heck dimming really bad is visable ie smog. | Jul 30 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | yes, they also suppress evidence against it | Jul 30 07:11 |
| schestowitz | So basically, USians who think "God will fix everything" are often those who deny issues | Jul 30 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | because they are motivated to lie | Jul 30 07:11 |
| oiaohm | And aircraft trails. | Jul 30 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | I personally don't give a shit | Jul 30 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | god or no god | Jul 30 07:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "god hates fags" :-) | Jul 30 07:12 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: dunno. does any version of it do GUI with font antialiasing and MULE properly? | Jul 30 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | the entire planet is going to be destroyed by something right? | Jul 30 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | eventually? | Jul 30 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie global dimming is directly seeable and we don't pay attention. | Jul 30 07:12 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: or syntax highlighting that isn't slow as hell? :> | Jul 30 07:12 |
| oiaohm | How long is eventually. | Jul 30 07:12 |
| cubevector | eventually, but why rush it? | Jul 30 07:12 |
| oiaohm | And will be still be alive at that point. | Jul 30 07:13 |
| cubevector | eventually the sun will run out of fuel | Jul 30 07:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the Church sure knows how to drive away ~16% of its potential _customers_ | Jul 30 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | well, if you go out far enough, the sun will actually be hot enough to evaporate the oceans | Jul 30 07:13 |
| cubevector | but that's a long long time | Jul 30 07:13 |
| oiaohm | High C02 can turn plants nasty. | Jul 30 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | and the Earth will lose its atmosphere | Jul 30 07:13 |
| MinceR | the universe will probably be better off if the human species can't move off the earth before the planet becomes uninhabitable :> | Jul 30 07:13 |
| schestowitz | [07:13] <DaemonFC> and the Earth will lose its atmosphere | Jul 30 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | then eventually what's left of Earth will be swallowed by the Sun as it runs out of hydrogen and expands | Jul 30 07:13 |
| schestowitz | Do't worry | Jul 30 07:13 |
| schestowitz | We'll buy a new one | Jul 30 07:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 30 07:13 |
| oiaohm | The earth is already losing its atmosphere. | Jul 30 07:13 |
| MinceR | you mean Jesus won't just give us a new one? | Jul 30 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Jesus said he'd give me a new one | Jul 30 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | but not you | Jul 30 07:14 |
| oiaohm | There is only about 20 000 years left. | Jul 30 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus loves you but I'm his favorite | Jul 30 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 30 07:14 |
| MinceR | who else will he give out new Earths to? | Jul 30 07:14 |
| oiaohm | Ie earth will have too thin of atmosphere for humans well before the sun gives out. | Jul 30 07:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu1PicT0TMU | Jul 30 07:14 |
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| cubevector | ah, the earth has had it's atmosphere for how long? | Jul 30 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | everyone who signs their paychecks over to the church | Jul 30 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | obviously | Jul 30 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | where have you been? :P | Jul 30 07:15 |
| cubevector | and you're saying it will be gone in 20,000 years? | Jul 30 07:15 |
| schestowitz | Vearth=Venus-like Earth | Jul 30 07:15 |
| cubevector | or depleted? | Jul 30 07:15 |
| oiaohm | delpeted | Jul 30 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | in 20,000 years it will still be breathable | Jul 30 07:15 |
| oiaohm | To the point we cannot live in it anymore. | Jul 30 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | more than likely | Jul 30 07:15 |
| oiaohm | Ie too thin. | Jul 30 07:15 |
| MinceR | i think Earth might eventually lose its atmosphere like Mars did | Jul 30 07:15 |
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| oiaohm | Its heading that way MinceR | Jul 30 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Jul 30 07:16 |
| MinceR | that is, the core stops, the magnetic field weakens and solar wind blows it aways | Jul 30 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | Earth has been here BILLIONS of years | Jul 30 07:16 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what? no, only 6000 years. :> | Jul 30 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | you don't think it's going to mind that we camped out on it for a few minutes do you? | Jul 30 07:16 |
| MinceR | s/ys/y/ | Jul 30 07:16 |
| oiaohm | And over billions of years the sun has been taking little bits off at a time. | Jul 30 07:16 |
| oiaohm | And we have not had the commets to be refilling. | Jul 30 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | Xenu will provide for us | Jul 30 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | unless you're a Scientologist | Jul 30 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | he doesn't like them | Jul 30 07:17 |
| oiaohm | Basically we are screwed | Jul 30 07:17 |
| cubevector | I'm surprised that life ever even developed then :) | Jul 30 07:17 |
| oiaohm | Question is how soon. | Jul 30 07:17 |
| schestowitz | In 4.5 billion years we never burned up fossil fuel accumulated over 3.5 bn years | Jul 30 07:17 |
| schestowitz | Fossil fuel uses oxygen and photosynthesis to store the suns energy | Jul 30 07:18 |
| cubevector | venus still has it's atmosphere yes? | Jul 30 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Now we unleash all this energy under the atmosphere's protective layer | Jul 30 07:18 |
| cubevector | and it's closer to the Sun | Jul 30 07:18 |
| oiaohm | venus seams to be gaining atmosphere | Jul 30 07:19 |
| schestowitz | [link] ? | Jul 30 07:19 |
| oiaohm | Note I said seams. | Jul 30 07:19 |
| oiaohm | It shows no sign of deteriation. | Jul 30 07:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=venus+%22gaining+atmosphere%22&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Jul 30 07:19 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing approp' | Jul 30 07:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&q=venus+%22regaining+atmosphere%22&aq=f&aqi=m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | Jul 30 07:20 |
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| oiaohm | Because you would expect solar winds to be stripping bits off it. | Jul 30 07:20 |
| schestowitz | "so the moon is actually losing and regaining atmosphere all the time." | Jul 30 07:20 |
| MinceR | that's no moon! | Jul 30 07:20 |
| schestowitz | We're the sun's moon :-p | Jul 30 07:21 |
| schestowitz | The sun is not a star :-) | Jul 30 07:21 |
| schestowitz | It's GOD | Jul 30 07:21 |
| schestowitz | And it revolves around God's wife | Jul 30 07:21 |
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| cubevector | it's all carbon dioxide too | Jul 30 07:22 |
| cubevector | Venus... 96.5% of it's atmosphere is CO2 according to wikipedia | Jul 30 07:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tata to sue Greenpeace over turtle game http://ur1.ca/0wnk9 So they don't only attack Indian freedom, but the world too #india | Jul 30 07:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | that's no Moon, it's a Halliburton Death Pod! | Jul 30 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | *Not to be confused with a Death Star | Jul 30 07:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] For more about Tata, see http://techrights.org/2010/07/20/tata-for-patents/ #bullies #tata #tcl #india #monopoly | Jul 30 07:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | Streisand Effect | Jul 30 07:27 |
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| cubevector | compare this: | Jul 30 07:28 |
| cubevector | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Venus_pentagram.png | Jul 30 07:28 |
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| cubevector | to this: | Jul 30 07:28 |
| cubevector | http://cubeman.org/curves_files/epitrochoid.png | Jul 30 07:28 |
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| schestowitz | cubevector: did you write a simulation? | Jul 30 07:30 |
| schestowitz | SOme years ago I wrote in C/OpenGL a program to render the solar system | Jul 30 07:31 |
| cubevector | I plotted the curve, and wrote the program that generated the picture | Jul 30 07:31 |
| cubevector | just noticed the similarity to Venus' motion | Jul 30 07:31 |
| schestowitz | You use old Fedora win-decorators | Jul 30 07:31 |
| schestowitz | I remember those | Jul 30 07:31 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: some kids plastic toys generate these curves | Jul 30 07:32 |
| cubevector | spirograph, yes | Jul 30 07:32 |
| schestowitz | You use masks and go around in circles, with a pencil | Jul 30 07:32 |
| cubevector | but the kids don't know the equation of the curve | Jul 30 07:32 |
| cubevector | x = (a+b) * cos(t) - c * cos((a/b +1) * t) | Jul 30 07:32 |
| schestowitz | /Kids/kids'/ | Jul 30 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Kids today don't like maths | Jul 30 07:33 |
| cubevector | y = (a+b) * sin(t) - c * sin((a/b +1) * t) | Jul 30 07:33 |
| cubevector | http://cubeman.org/curves.html | Jul 30 07:33 |
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| cubevector | I'm still interested in X programming | Jul 30 07:33 |
| cubevector | so few people talk about it | Jul 30 07:33 |
| cubevector | made some curves of my own too | Jul 30 07:34 |
| cubevector | it's just trig, nothing too scary | Jul 30 07:35 |
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| schestowitz | cubevector: c? | Jul 30 07:37 |
| cubevector | yes | Jul 30 07:37 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ1Ng | Jul 30 07:38 |
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| cubevector | I like xlib :) | Jul 30 07:39 |
| cubevector | OpenGL is barely programming | Jul 30 07:39 |
| cubevector | it's more like weaving | Jul 30 07:40 |
| cubevector | but, probably faster at rendering | Jul 30 07:40 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: it's an API, sort of | Jul 30 07:41 |
| cubevector | yes, but I wanted to do 3d from "stratch" | Jul 30 07:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] This is why I don't use Tiwtter http://u.nu/7xj4e #identica om nom nom | Jul 30 07:41 | |
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| cubevector | but that's the trend, to greater and greater abstraction | Jul 30 07:42 |
| cubevector | e.g. my program will run on just about anything | Jul 30 07:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 This is why I don't use Tiwtter http://u.nu/7xj4e #identica om nom nom > but identica has this problem too, worse over time | Jul 30 07:43 | |
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| cubevector | I'm not dependent on anything except xlib | Jul 30 07:44 |
| cubevector | well, it will run on almost anything with an X server | Jul 30 07:44 |
| cubevector | a compromise... | Jul 30 07:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I think Indian Govt & Sibal will release a press on $35 laptop - "It was a typo, We just missed one Zero" #$35laptop #fakeware | Jul 30 07:45 | |
| cubevector | wouldn't be a big deal to port to FreeDos :) | Jul 30 07:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Emulating an Amiga in Linux - http://bit.ly/cj47Za as architectures become obsolete, perhaps this is their only hope for survival #amiga | Jul 30 07:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 08:14 |
| MinceR | so what else is new? | Jul 30 08:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 30 08:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Top U.S. Officer: WikiLeaks Might Have ‘Blood on Its Hands’ - http://bit.ly/czdsrb unlike the rest of the US Army in Iraq/Afghanistan... | Jul 30 08:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is WikiLeaks More Than Just a High-Tech Brown Envelope? Yes - http://bit.ly/cNwQOI "journalism will likely never be the same" #wikileaks | Jul 30 08:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Tablet & Android can beat everything if they include "Wireless mesh networking" Peer to Peer Networking on Tables will be the thing #android | Jul 30 08:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] RT: @nsisodiya: Tablet & Android can beat everything if they include "Wireless mesh networking" http://bit.ly/9N2d0D | Jul 30 08:45 | |
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| *DaemonFC wonders why Novell likes to name things after diseases | Jul 30 08:56 | |
| DaemonFC | I had Mono once, I was in bed for a week | Jul 30 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 08:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Interview with Richard Stallman - http://bit.ly/cGsNDb really excellent stuff: "If it were possible, I would like to have a friendly parrot" | Jul 30 08:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | but I'm sure glad I've avoided Pinta so far | Jul 30 08:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] To all Android developer : Can you make this without flash ? http://bit.ly/b96JTE #withoutflash | Jul 30 08:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] anti-ACTA.com - http://bit.ly/d89GzM new site with info on how to fight #ACTA (via @StopActaNow) | Jul 30 09:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Hrmbl. Oracle tablespace gone nada at 3:00 in the night means "let's start all over again" #fail | Jul 30 09:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Should India announce $50 QuadCore Server with 6GB RAM ? #fakeware http://post.ly/pQ7z | Jul 30 09:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] If you talk about open {source, standards, data} with only a twitter account, you are #fail. Use #identica if you want to walk the walk. | Jul 30 09:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawyers and Monopolies They Work for the Key Threat to Software Patent Policy http://ur1.ca/0wtii #patents #uspto #swpats | Jul 30 09:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody but to the "Top U.S. Officer" only 'white blood' counts | Jul 30 09:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz ah yes, silly me... | Jul 30 09:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Interview: Chris DiBona, Google - http://bit.ly/cThB7M nothing earth-shattering, but useful summary #google #opensource | Jul 30 09:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya say no to AIR?! | Jul 30 09:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody anti-ACTA.com - http://bit.ly/d89GzM new site with info on how to fight #ACTA (via @StopActaNow) | Jul 30 09:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Should India announce $50 QuadCore Server with 6GB RAM ? #fakeware http://post.ly/pQ7z | Jul 30 09:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The rising power of the Chinese worker - http://bit.ly/cguXsq importatn if barely-visible trend #china #economics | Jul 30 09:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] @schestowitz Yes That is why I tweeted that should should port that application without flash & AIR | Jul 30 09:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] What I mean: Use identi.ca to post and setup identi.ca to sync to your twitter account. It's about federation, folks. ;-) | Jul 30 10:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Fighting with Oracle DB and BIND setup on Sysadmin Appreciation Day is kinda natural, innit? #havingfun #hacking | Jul 30 10:09 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: are you around? | Jul 30 10:18 |
| schestowitz | I need some quick help | Jul 30 10:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @jonobacon says "Gnome is moving away from Ubuntu just as much as Ubuntu is moving away from Gnome" - #notgood http://is.gd/dSyOW | Jul 30 10:18 | |
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| MinceR | which way is gnome moving? | Jul 30 10:22 |
| oiaohm | When you know tell us. MinceR | Jul 30 10:22 |
| schestowitz | 3-wards | Jul 30 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Gnome is a huge tug of war. | Jul 30 10:23 |
| MinceR | away from or towards macos? away from or towards mono? | Jul 30 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Both ways | Jul 30 10:24 |
| oiaohm | As I said tug of war. | Jul 30 10:24 |
| oiaohm | You have pro and anti mono people in there fighting with each other. | Jul 30 10:24 |
| oiaohm | That lead to the birth of vala | Jul 30 10:24 |
| oiaohm | As kind a half way not mono but with c# lang syntax is a halfway. | Jul 30 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Same with the macos look. | Jul 30 10:25 |
| MinceR | it isn't only about the look | Jul 30 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically I don't know what way it heading neither do the developers. MinceR | Jul 30 10:25 |
| MinceR | also about the philosophy of idiocy | Jul 30 10:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Thanks, passwords on Identi.ca and Twitter changed. Two different ones. | Jul 30 10:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] CORRECTION - I misquoted @jonobacon, it was David Owens comment. | Jul 30 10:25 | |
| MinceR | removing features, user-hostile HIG, etc. | Jul 30 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Basically is the true case of trying to hurd cats. | Jul 30 10:26 |
| oiaohm | With a poor battle plan. | Jul 30 10:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] [CORR] @jonobacon Blog, Martin Owen comments: says "Gnome is moving away from Ubuntu just as much as Ubuntu is moving away from Gnome" | Jul 30 10:27 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.gomonews.com/mobile-open-source-limo-teams-up-with-gnome/ | Jul 30 10:33 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] New blog post: On Contributions - The GNOME Affair http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/07/on-contributions-the-gnome-affair/ | Jul 30 10:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Towards a Commons Taxonomy - http://bit.ly/ayoax8 how should we classify the various kinds of #commons? | Jul 30 11:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Support #fail "Wir empfehlen Ihnen, diese Nummer in Ihr Mobiltelefon einzuspeichern," Aber "Diese nummer ist NICHT aus Mobilnetz erreichbar" | Jul 30 11:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The end of Wintel - http://bit.ly/bsvvYv Economist Fail again: describes Meego as "an open-source operating system" (can't say "Linux"?) | Jul 30 11:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Nicholas Negroponte Welcomes India's $35 Tablet for Education - http://bit.ly/906XQ7 gosh, he's still around... #olpc #india | Jul 30 11:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Happy Sysadminday everyone ;-) | Jul 30 12:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @glynwintle In response to public petition asking gov to upgrade away from IE 6. "Its too hard, but we are secure" http://bit.ly/ceMrg9' | Jul 30 12:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In case you noticed #techirghts pages appearing kind of funny earlier, that's because we tried upgrading the software, db is too large :-( | Jul 30 13:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If there are any LAMP experts who can help us, please see this thread http://ur1.ca/0x6j2 we can't get the DB upgraded yet #techrights | Jul 30 13:18 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If there are any LAMP experts who can help us, please see this thread http://ur1.ca/0x6j2 we can't get the DB upgraded yet !techrights | Jul 30 13:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody technically the Economist is correct there | Jul 30 13:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ml2mst Happy Sysadminday everyone > I'm not having a good day so far, help needed http://ur1.ca/0x6j2 | Jul 30 13:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @schestowitz: RT @ml2mst Happy Sysadminday everyone > I'm not having a good day so far, help needed http://ur1.ca/0x6j2 | Jul 30 13:29 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/tb/cv7sw | Jul 30 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | It is good that sites with many developers (Reddit this time) help show people that beyond the daemonisations ("communist", "hippie", "crazy", "zealot", etc.) there is a very reasonable person. Any person that becomes a thorn in the buttocks of proprietary software vendors will sooner or later be characterised as "dangerous"/"radical" to keep people away from that person. | Jul 30 13:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] How can I block all dents with "apple", "standing in line at the apple store", "I want Steve Jobs to be father of my children"? #annoyed | Jul 30 13:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] U.S. Copyright Group ‘Steal’ Competitor’s Website - http://bit.ly/c6fj70 rich, no? (via @StopActaNow) #copyright #hypocrisy | Jul 30 13:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz it's a sin of *omission*, not *commission*: why not say it's essentially Linux? | Jul 30 13:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer change reading habits | Jul 30 13:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @equitas: Latest Bizarre Cathedral toon over at FSM http://fsmsh.com/3374 #fs #linux | ROTFL #RHT | Jul 30 13:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Tribalism is the enemy within - http://bit.ly/aQsqr1 the Astronaut is *ANGRY* #ubuntu #tribalism | Jul 30 13:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Geoengineering: the risks and rewards of tackling climate change - http://bit.ly/bryHYC from the *Met Office*? interesting (via @Eaterofsun) | Jul 30 13:50 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: let me know if/when you're around, we need you for some simple issue with PHP apparently timing up on an upgrade. I worry about changing php settings and I'm pretty sure that's what causes the issue. | Jul 30 13:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/28/too-late-blix-iraq-chilcot | Jul 30 14:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Chilcot inquiry: too late, Hans Blix, too late | Sami Ramadani | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 205.49 KB | Jul 30 14:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] spent almost 3 hrs this morning upgrading 3 blogs. First two took 5 minutes to upgrade, eg this one http://ur1.ca/0x94u ; #techrights fails | Jul 30 14:00 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/27/iraq-oil-funds-billions-missing | Jul 30 14:01 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] spent almost 3 hrs this morning upgrading 3 blogs. First two took 5 minutes to upgrade, eg this one http://ur1.ca/0x94u ; !techrights fails | Jul 30 14:01 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jul 30 14:11 |
| schestowitz | http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/07/29/opensource_pharmaceutical_babble.php | Jul 30 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | Attacking collaboration | Jul 30 14:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Get a Blazing-Fast Computer for Free - http://bit.ly/a9enRG Slate's @fmanjoo changes his mind about #Ubuntu #linux | Jul 30 14:21 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How to give your creaky old Windows computer an Ubuntu makeover. - By Farhad Manjoo - Slate Magazine .::. Size~: 51.02 KB | Jul 30 14:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody Yeah, I remember Farhad Manjoo's rant http://techrights.org/2008/10/28/irc-log-27102008-1/#tOct%2027%2018:51:52 | Jul 30 14:27 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 27th, 2008 Part 1 | Techrights .::. Size~: 198.92 KB | Jul 30 14:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wikileaks turns convert intelligence to “Open source intelligence” http://ur1.ca/0xcmk that's intelligent | Jul 30 14:51 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: It's our duty to delve into the Wikileaks debate - The Irish Times - Fri, Jul 30, 2010 .::. Size~: 43.3 KB | Jul 30 14:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Are CIA and Google teaming up? http://ur1.ca/0xcvg Interesting just days after it's revealed that FBI gets simpler access to DCs | Jul 30 14:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good morning, friends! How are we all today? | Jul 30 15:16 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/pervasips-vox-communications-surpasses-20000-voice-over-internet-lines-2010-07-29?reflink=MW_news_stmp "has exceeded 20,000 VoIP lines on its award winning Voice over Internet Linux-based sever clusters. " | Jul 30 15:23 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Pervasip's VoX Communications Surpasses 20,000 Voice over Internet Lines - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 63.88 KB | Jul 30 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Severe clusters? | Jul 30 15:23 |
| MinceR | severed clusters? | Jul 30 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: severed filth [sic] | Jul 30 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Hey, jono | Jul 30 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Misquoted by Jan | Jul 30 15:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/access-cooperates-with-oha-to-support-expansion-of-android-platform-2010-07-29?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Jul 30 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* 'Lumpy' will have to live with Android now | Jul 30 15:30 |
| MinceR | Sever The Wicked | Jul 30 15:30 |
| schestowitz | After bashing it endlessly | Jul 30 15:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 30 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll have to 'let him go' | Jul 30 15:30 |
| MinceR | maybe he'll just have a Sudden Change of Opinion | Jul 30 15:30 |
| MinceR | like asay | Jul 30 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Not sure. I heard from one place he's already out | Jul 30 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Sudden Change of Opinion=SCO | Jul 30 15:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 30 15:31 |
| schestowitz | "We wanna do Linux" | Jul 30 15:31 |
| schestowitz | "Now we don't' | Jul 30 15:32 |
| MinceR | "do" | Jul 30 15:32 |
| MinceR | that they wanted | Jul 30 15:32 |
| schestowitz | McBride made CEO and months later they sue | Jul 30 15:32 |
| MinceR | and failed | Jul 30 15:32 |
| MinceR | will ACCESS at least write a PalmOS emulator for Android then? :> | Jul 30 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Isn't that for HP to do? | Jul 30 15:32 |
| schestowitz | HP makes WebOS though | Jul 30 15:32 |
| MinceR | nope | Jul 30 15:32 |
| MinceR | HP does webOS, not PalmOS | Jul 30 15:33 |
| MinceR | ACCESS owns PalmOS, not Palm/HP | Jul 30 15:33 |
| jono | schestowitz yeah he apologized though | Jul 30 15:33 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: there is already a Garnet OS emulator for WebOS called Tuxido | Jul 30 15:33 |
| schestowitz | ACCESS is like the kid that tried to fight the big G[anstster|oogle] and is now all bruised, runs to the G for love | Jul 30 15:33 |
| schestowitz | jono: yes, twice | Jul 30 15:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Want to make a stunning contribution for Ubuntu users? Fix bad Software Center descriptions! http://is.gd/dT0Yb #ubuntu | Jul 30 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: with an 'i' | Jul 30 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | TUX iDo? | Jul 30 15:34 |
| jono | schestowitz he apologized twice? | Jul 30 15:34 |
| schestowitz | "I hereby prounounce you husband and wife" | Jul 30 15:34 |
| schestowitz | "Jobs, you may now kiss the Penguin" | Jul 30 15:35 |
| schestowitz | ['s ass] | Jul 30 15:35 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: ACCESS owns the Garnet and Cobalt OS sourcecode along with it's extensions including Graffiti | Jul 30 15:35 |
| MinceR | "do" does not mean "kiss" though :> | Jul 30 15:35 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: my bad Tuxedo | Jul 30 15:35 |
| schestowitz | jono: yeah | Jul 30 15:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/07/29/meet-andy-android%e2%80%99s-history-in-a-nutshell/ | Jul 30 15:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Meet Andy: Android’s History In A Nutshell | Android News, Reviews, Applications, Games, Phones, Devices, Tips, Hacks, Videos, Podcasts - Android Police .::. Size~: 158.14 KB | Jul 30 15:36 |
| jono | schestowitz ahhh | Jul 30 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Mark made a good post | Jul 30 15:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna write about this later | Jul 30 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Poor Red Hat... so jealous of conglomerates like Canonical | Jul 30 15:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/29/gnome_delay/ | Jul 30 15:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Next Gnome delayed until 2011 • The Register .::. Size~: 26.08 KB | Jul 30 15:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/202192/on_the_strengths_of_linux_android_will_win_the_mobile_contest.html?tk=hp_new | Jul 30 15:40 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why Android Will Win the Mobile Platform War - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 62.38 KB | Jul 30 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Katherine Noyes writes for IDG now? | Jul 30 15:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Jury Dumps Patent Used To Sue Facebook - http://bit.ly/bfcZN4 one down, several million to go. | Jul 30 15:41 | |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: it's kind of disengenous to say old smartphones were completely boring, I made my Treo a universal remote. you can't do that with modern smartphones due to a lack of IR :-P | Jul 30 15:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Jury Dumps Patent Used To Sue Facebook | Techdirt .::. Size~: 58.51 KB | Jul 30 15:41 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: maybe once bluetooth remotes catch on more that kind of app will come back | Jul 30 15:41 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: as for Android winning, if one platform wins everyone loses, including customers | Jul 30 15:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Mark talks about the risks of tribalism; a great post and wise words - http://is.gd/dT1MM | Jul 30 15:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Solaris is far from dead http://ur1.ca/0xerk http://ur1.ca/0xerm http://ur1.ca/0xerq #sun #oracle #opensolaris | Jul 30 15:43 | |
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| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: except for shareholders of said company | Jul 30 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: they already dominate search and spying | Jul 30 15:43 |
| schestowitz | I reckon ya heeard... | Jul 30 15:44 |
| schestowitz | http://arabnews.com/world/article92612.ece | Jul 30 15:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Are CIA and Google teaming up? - Arab News .::. Size~: 62.24 KB | Jul 30 15:44 |
| schestowitz | It's all over the news today http://www.fastcompany.com/1675552/google-gets-close-to-cia-with-investment-in-analytics-firm-recorded-future http://www.mediabistro.com/webnewser/startup/google_cia_back_a_startup_that_predicts_the_future_169174.asp | Jul 30 15:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Google Teams Up With CIA, Invests in Analytics Firm | Fast Company .::. Size~: 36.06 KB | Jul 30 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techeye.net/software/google-cia-team-up-to-invest-in-web-monitoring-software | Jul 30 15:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Google, CIA team up to invest in web monitoring software - Analysing the past to predict the future | TechEye .::. Size~: 20.95 KB | Jul 30 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Google can be trusted no more than the US government | Jul 30 15:45 |
| schestowitz | And that's not saying much | Jul 30 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Matt Cutts from Google came from the secret agencies AFAIK | Jul 30 15:45 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: at least we now know Uncle Sam is hip with who their technilogical partners are. This could explain why Chicom has cut off Google search from their great firewall again. | Jul 30 15:47 |
| ThistleWeb | For a second there I thought that poor bloke had an unfortunate surname, until I reread it | Jul 30 15:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/64335 | Jul 30 15:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The $200 sub-notebook with #gnu #linux rears its head again http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/201836/freescale_smartbook.html | Jul 30 15:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Linux-based Android is going to win, plain and simple." http://ur1.ca/0xf03 I like #Linux but distrust #Android | Jul 30 15:50 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: ping | Jul 30 15:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] If you ask the wrong question... http://bit.ly/cSzTq8 Why not talk about the lack of tension with genuine open standards? | Jul 30 15:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Olive Telecom is a one of the most innovating company in India http://www.olivetelecom.in/olive-news.html #andriod | Jul 30 15:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @rcweir talkstandards.com is a known Microsoft lobbyist. See http://techrights.org/2010/07/30/lawyers-and-software-giants/ | Jul 30 15:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya I hope so. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/olive-pad-vt100-brings-a-voice-capable-7-inch-android-tablet-to/ | Jul 30 15:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Old Slayer never stops being awesome, particularly before 8am. :-) | Jul 30 16:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] @schestowitz Don't like the name. I was thinking of creating a site called "DoStandards" | Jul 30 16:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Intellectual property http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Intellectual_property | Jul 30 16:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @rcweir now, that's *Way* too far. It actually allows competitors to compete... rather than wrestle with 6000+ pages of moving goalposts | Jul 30 16:10 | |
| schestowitz | > "When making a platform decision, many organizations focus on key | Jul 30 16:12 |
| schestowitz | > attributes, such as total cost of ownership (TCO), reliability, and | Jul 30 16:12 |
| schestowitz | > support" | Jul 30 16:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 16:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/windows-server-vs-red-hat-linux.mspx | Jul 30 16:12 |
| schestowitz | LSE did that too... and it changed its mind :-) | Jul 30 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | > But not Redhat. I guess Ubuntu is the greater threat. | Jul 30 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/webcasts/monitoring-performance-vista-and-ubuntu.mspx | Jul 30 16:13 |
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| MinceR | GNU/Linux is well known to be better than winblows in all of those key attributes | Jul 30 16:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] So Microsoft is starting to do "comparisons" with #Ubuntu , which is the new strategy after "get the facts" http://ur1.ca/0xg2r #fear #doubt | Jul 30 16:16 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: It's a good sign anyway | Jul 30 16:16 |
| schestowitz | That they "fight you" | Jul 30 16:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] System Administrator's Day is today. Here's a song http://tinyogg.com/watch/RryAV/ | Jul 30 16:21 | |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/FhlCN/ | Jul 30 16:23 |
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| tessier_ | pong | Jul 30 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Hey :-) | Jul 30 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Just a quick thing | Jul 30 16:40 |
| tessier_ | Hi :) | Jul 30 16:40 |
| tessier_ | sure | Jul 30 16:40 |
| schestowitz | we need you for some simple issue with PHP apparently timing up on an upgrade. I worry about changing php settings and I'm pretty sure that's what causes the issue. | Jul 30 16:40 |
| tessier_ | ok | Jul 30 16:40 |
| schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-30-database-upgrade-timeout?replies=3#post-1622339http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-30-database-upgrade-timeout?replies=3#post-1622339 | Jul 30 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | I did try to spend several hours getting past it. Happy System Administrator's Day by the way. | Jul 30 16:41 |
| tessier_ | Thanks! | Jul 30 16:41 |
| tessier_ | So you are upgrading WP | Jul 30 16:42 |
| tessier_ | ? | Jul 30 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes, security update | Jul 30 16:42 |
| schestowitz | First one in months | Jul 30 16:42 |
| tessier_ | Good idea. WP is particularly vulnerable it seems. Lots of places get hacked. | Jul 30 16:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm and I tried to resolve it (spoke in the other IRC channel) and I asked WordPress users too. Seems like it might be a PHP timeout thing http://prajapatinilesh.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/manually-set-php-session-timeout-php-session/ | Jul 30 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: I always patch it within a day. 3.0.1 came out today (3.0 was not a security update, just an upgrade) | Jul 30 16:43 |
| tessier_ | Does PHP time out or does the web browser time out waiting for the upgrade to finish? | Jul 30 16:43 |
| schestowitz | That's the thing I can't tell for sure. | Jul 30 16:44 |
| schestowitz | WHen I hit "upgrade" on the DB it just gives me a page with the logo and then stops | Jul 30 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I can recall from the old host in 2007 that they could set some parameter to block certain things that are CPU-heavy from carrying on | Jul 30 16:44 |
| schestowitz | So I assume that since it wants to deal with a large DB PHP just basically says, "well, that's kind of too big, so I won't go there" | Jul 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | I tried it dozens of time, going back and fourth and testing all sorts of things. One last option I have is to compact the DB by deleting edit history | Jul 30 16:45 |
| tessier_ | Did you run top and look to see if the db or apache or anything was using a lot of cpu time which might indicate that it was actually doing the upgrade? | Jul 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I didn't see any high load | Jul 30 16:49 |
| schestowitz | I also let it sit there for a long time, assuming it might be doing something | Jul 30 16:49 |
| schestowitz | in #wordpress they told me it's not supposed to take long, either | Jul 30 16:49 |
| tessier_ | hmm...can I start the upgrade and try to observe what it is doing? | Jul 30 16:51 |
| tessier_ | Does it hurt anything when the upgrade fails or is stopped? | Jul 30 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Nope, I'll do this now :-) | Jul 30 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Just a sec | Jul 30 16:52 |
| *schestowitz does a backup | Jul 30 16:55 | |
| *schestowitz disables all plugins before upgrade | Jul 30 16:57 | |
| *schestowitz swaps 2.9, puts 3.0 | Jul 30 16:59 | |
| schestowitz | Site works now with all plugins disables, now we'll hit the upgrade button | Jul 30 17:00 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: can you press this? http://techrights.org/wp-admin/upgrade.php | Jul 30 17:01 |
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| tessier_ | ok | Jul 30 17:01 |
| schestowitz | It'll allow you to see the process as you click it | Jul 30 17:01 |
| tessier_ | hmmmm...it says nothing but the wp logo and there is no load or anything using cpu time | Jul 30 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, that's what happened this morning when I tried | Jul 30 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I assumed it might be the same of this guy's problem http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-30-database-upgrade-timeout | Jul 30 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | "I'm trying to upgrade the database to 3.0 (the rest seems fine) on a wordpress setup that has a 1gig database. Lots of posts(!). Anyway, it always times out using the upgrade.php through the web browser. " | Jul 30 17:04 |
| schestowitz | The people in the wordpress IRC channel said: | Jul 30 17:05 |
| schestowitz | <nkuttler> i'd guess it's a script timeout | Jul 30 17:05 |
| tessier_ | timeout waiting on what? I don't see it doing anything. | Jul 30 17:06 |
| schestowitz | The page seems to be cut prematurely | Jul 30 17:06 |
| schestowitz | no </body> | Jul 30 17:06 |
| tessier_ | Ah. | Jul 30 17:06 |
| schestowitz | And no </html/> | Jul 30 17:07 |
| tessier_ | Good point. I was just looking at the source even but hadn't yet noticed that. | Jul 30 17:07 |
| schestowitz | It's as though there's a barrier | Jul 30 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I was told there's supposed to be some page coming up after the "upgrade" button is clicked | Jul 30 17:07 |
| tessier_ | /var/log/httpd/boycottnovell.com-error_log contains a lot of various PHP errors | Jul 30 17:08 |
| schestowitz | are any tables named? | Jul 30 17:08 |
| schestowitz | I have more backups, so I'm sure it's not too hard to sort out | Jul 30 17:08 |
| tessier_ | I need to run to the office for a meeting. I'll check back in in 2 hours. | Jul 30 17:10 |
| schestowitz | OK, no problem | Jul 30 17:10 |
| tessier_ | Lots of calls to undefined functions in that log. | Jul 30 17:10 |
| schestowitz | which filename? | Jul 30 17:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] ODF 1.2 Word Clouds http://goo.gl/fb/oxngL | Jul 30 17:17 | |
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| schestowitz | [Fri Jul 30 09:16:21 2010] [error] [client 216.105.40.123] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method wpdb::tables() in /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-admin/includes/upgrade.php on line 1403, referer: http://techrights.org/wp-admin/upgrade.php | Jul 30 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | I think it might be caching-related http://kasolutions.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/fix-call-to-undefined-method-wpdbget_blog_prefix/ | Jul 30 17:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Facebook #fail WTF, I cannot paste on my own wall comment - "Some content in this message has been reported as abusive" :( | Jul 30 17:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 30/7/2010: Dell, HP to Resell Solaris, #UberStudent Distro Born http://techrights.org/2010/07/30/reselling-solaris/ | Jul 30 17:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "American dogs are evolutionarily adapted to fit in the tiny handbags of C list celebrities." (JeevesMkII, RW) | Jul 30 18:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] On #swpat: http://is.gd/dTg6J some good arguments. | Jul 30 18:03 | |
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| schestowitz | 'wpdb' discussed in http://forum.wpml.org/topic.php?id=860 | Jul 30 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/wpdb_Class | Jul 30 18:06 |
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| DaemonFC | reading RMS whine about not controlling XEmacs is funny | Jul 30 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | "Waaaaah, developers don't want to hand me the copyright to their code!!!" | Jul 30 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | there might be a reason for that | Jul 30 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Troll. | Jul 30 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.xemacs.org/About/XEmacsVsGNUemacs.html | Jul 30 18:21 |
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| MinceR | apparently neither of them have features that are important to me that GVim has :> | Jul 30 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | "At that time, one of our hackers went out to Cambridge to talk RMS about how to proceed, and it appeared we reached a reasonable working arrangement. But, as time went on we determined that the FSF code for Emacs 19 was too unwieldy, bug-ridden, and convoluted to work with, so we started rewriting parts of it." | Jul 30 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 30 18:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Joined the #Android revolution. First dent from the phone | Jul 30 18:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft's Top Competitors Are #GNU #Linux or Users and Vendors of GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/0xlei | Jul 30 18:29 | |
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| tessier_ | DaemonFC: Ah, xemacs...looks like it is finally going away. | Jul 30 18:33 |
| *tessier_ digs emcas these days | Jul 30 18:33 | |
| schestowitz | tessier_: there's one error I found | Jul 30 18:34 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: I got all the way over here only to find that my 10am meeting was cancelled. So I'm available again to look into this some more. | Jul 30 18:34 |
| schestowitz | grep http://techrights.org/wp-admin/upgrade.php boycottnovell.com-error_log in /var/logg/httpd | Jul 30 18:34 |
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| tessier_ | DaemonFC: Have you read "Hackers"? Excellent book. | Jul 30 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jul 30 18:34 |
| schestowitz | The other errors were caused by the plugins not being there | Jul 30 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I temporarily put the code of 2.9.2 in there (the past hour) so that pages appear cleanly | Jul 30 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_: Apparently there's some features that RMS won't allow in FSF Emacs | Jul 30 18:35 |
| tessier_ | DaemonFC: Not surprising. My two wishes for GNU Emacs: Improved Lisp implementation (preferably a modern scheme) and multi-threading. | Jul 30 18:35 |
| tessier_ | DaemonFC: I highly recommend Hackers. | Jul 30 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_: One of them kind of supports my thoughts that we're lucky that HURD never materialized | Jul 30 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | loadable module support isn't in Emacs because RMS figures people would choose to load non-free modules | Jul 30 18:37 |
| amarsh04 | has this been posted here? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_oracle_justice_department | Jul 30 18:37 |
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| DaemonFC | could you imagine an OS kernel that wouldn't let you load your own drivers? | Jul 30 18:37 |
| tessier_ | DaemonFC: What's the difference between loadable module support and loading some elisp code? | Jul 30 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | no idea | Jul 30 18:37 |
| tessier_ | I guess people might try to make binaries or something. I don't see that being very tempting for an editor. | Jul 30 18:37 |
| tessier_ | Kernel modules are a different story. | Jul 30 18:38 |
| amarsh04 | what percentage of emacs users think that emacs is an operating system? | Jul 30 18:38 |
| tessier_ | RMS says you can use proprietary only when you really don't have any other choice. | Jul 30 18:38 |
| tessier_ | amarsh04: None. | Jul 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | well, if he's so paranoid that Emacs would be able to load binary modules | Jul 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | what would he do to cripple HURD? | Jul 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | I say I use whatever I feel like | Jul 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | because RMS didn't buy me this computer | Jul 30 18:39 |
| tessier_ | What would stop anyone else from patching in loadable module support or forking it anyway? | Jul 30 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | that probably wouldn't take long I guess | Jul 30 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | XeHURD | Jul 30 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 30 18:39 |
| *amarsh04 imagines someone running a linux kernel with init=/usr/bin/emacs (assuming that the filesystems were mounted) | Jul 30 18:40 | |
| schestowitz | tessier_: I did uprade to 3.0.1 successfully on two other servers where I have wordpress installed | Jul 30 18:40 |
| schestowitz | It was a similar upgrade but fewer plugins and smaller database | Jul 30 18:40 |
| tessier_ | This is only about 600M. Not that huge for a mysqldb. | Jul 30 18:41 |
| tessier_ | I have a mysql db with 104G of data. | Jul 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | 'Oracle overcharged the government on a contract that ran from 1998 to 2006. | Jul 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | Paul Frascella, Oracle's senior director of contract services, filed the original lawsuit in May 2007 under the False Claims Act, which allows whistleblowers to sue on the government's behalf and share in any damages recovered." | Jul 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Jul 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | so every once in a while, the system can work :) | Jul 30 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: whoa! | Jul 30 18:42 |
| tessier_ | DaemonFC: That's a clever law. I like it. | Jul 30 18:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: old news | Jul 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | Oracle is really really really evil | Jul 30 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Oracle was blaasted for it | Jul 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | they're silently offing all their FOSS projects without explanation | Jul 30 18:42 |
| tessier_ | I've never liked Oracle from day 1. I remember having a copy of their DB way back in 1996 or so. Never got around to installing it. Didn't know where to start. | Jul 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | they're bilking the government out of lots of money | Jul 30 18:43 |
| tessier_ | Bought a book on Oracle once. Couldn't make heads nor tails of it. | Jul 30 18:43 |
| tessier_ | The getting started type stuff is just so much easier for MySQL etc. | Jul 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_: I can't wait to see what they do with Java | Jul 30 18:43 |
| tessier_ | DaemonFC: I hope they kill it. | Jul 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | so far they just changed the signing certificates to say Oracle instead of Sun | Jul 30 18:43 |
| tessier_ | I'm sick of it. | Jul 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | and crashed every Eclipse user | Jul 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 18:43 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: that would make .NET stronger | Jul 30 18:43 |
| tessier_ | I know they won't kill it intentionally. But hope they do so through mismanagement. | Jul 30 18:43 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: I'd like to see that killed too! :) | Jul 30 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Python maybe | Jul 30 18:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Down, #Windows Botnets Up http://ur1.ca/0xm26 the unfortunate effects of Windows replacing some of NetWare’s functionality | Jul 30 18:44 | |
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| schestowitz | Google pushes it forward now | Jul 30 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_: You want to bet $1 on how Java dies? | Jul 30 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | I call dibs on maliciously | Jul 30 18:44 |
| amarsh04 | I've only used Oracle at uni using the perl DBI interface to migrate from MySQL on an Alpha server running Tru64 | Jul 30 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 30 18:44 |
| tessier_ | DaemonFC: Not with a bang but a whimper? | Jul 30 18:44 |
| MinceR | why are you so sure it will die at all? | Jul 30 18:44 |
| tessier_ | I have learned a lot about RDBMS this past year. | Jul 30 18:44 |
| tessier_ | MinceR: I am not at all sure if will die. Just daydreaming. | Jul 30 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, I figure they'll close source it | Jul 30 18:45 |
| tessier_ | Most people grossly abuse rdbms. No wonder performance often sucks. | Jul 30 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: I surveyed some sites and got some links about that error. Nothing that helped me solve it though | Jul 30 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | and try to obscure everything so OpenJDK can't keep up | Jul 30 18:45 |
| MinceR | then other stakeholders will fork it | Jul 30 18:45 |
| MinceR | they've invested far too much in java | Jul 30 18:45 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: yeah, I've been googling also. | Jul 30 18:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Oracle is probably the thing that will promote Mono the most | Jul 30 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 18:48 |
| MinceR | while m$ will be the thing that will promote java the most? | Jul 30 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_: Yes, that law has convinced upper management at quite a few crooked companies to quit and sue | Jul 30 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | their share of the damages could amount to what they would get if they stayed on salary another 10-20 years | Jul 30 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | of course, there's a nasty side to that | Jul 30 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | that manager probably let them overcharge the government as much as possible before saying anything about it | Jul 30 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 18:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Playing with Gwennel, a very small (1 file, only 139KB, no install) but very reasonable ODF text editor: http://gwennel.org/ | Jul 30 19:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why We Defend #Ubuntu in the Latest #GNOME Kerkuffle http://ur1.ca/0xn3j Better let this whole subject drop | Jul 30 19:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | jono sez: "We contribute a lot of code to ourselves!" | Jul 30 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | "We're very generous towards us, you see" | Jul 30 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | "And we didn't even need upstream approval to do it!" | Jul 30 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | of course many companies have forked upstreams and bit off more than they could chew before | Jul 30 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | if Ubuntu does the same thing, then HAHA | Jul 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | eventually they'll end up with a huge patchset that doesn't apply easily or cleanly | Jul 30 19:20 |
| schestowitz | They have a weak story to tell | Jul 30 19:20 |
| schestowitz | But they do help Linux IMHO | Jul 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | and they'll have to alter their own patches out-of-band, thousands of them | Jul 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | and the whole thing will come crashing down | Jul 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | isn't the entire point of working with Upstream so YOU don't have to run into the same problems over and over and over again | Jul 30 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | and wind up out of sync? | Jul 30 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat shoves everything upstream because the quality of the GNOME platform itself makes a better RHEL later on | Jul 30 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | they know this | Jul 30 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is on the path of becoming another Linspire | Jul 30 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | but I've mentioned that before | Jul 30 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | You remember when Linspire duplicated things that were already a part of KDE, for no reason? | Jul 30 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | instead of Amarok, they developed this horrible jukebox thing called Lsongs | Jul 30 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | then they had Lphoto and such | Jul 30 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | and it's all GPL I think, so if any of it deserved to survive, it would have | Jul 30 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | with or without Linspire | Jul 30 19:23 |
| MinceR | 201336 <@schestowitz> But they do help Linux IMHO | Jul 30 19:24 |
| MinceR | that may yet change. | Jul 30 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I think he meant to say that they help (themselves to) Linux | Jul 30 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 19:24 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 30 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | crap it up with inferior rewrites of stuff that was already there | Jul 30 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | and perfectly functional | Jul 30 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 19:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Throw Ballmer , Gates and Jobs out of our planet. Planet will become happy - http://bit.ly/bz8nSt #swpat | Jul 30 19:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | then tack on advertisements and whorebars | Jul 30 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 19:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google is leaving LiMo in a miserable state, so #ACCESS jumps ship and hopes to float on Google’s http://ur1.ca/0xn3j ACCESS is troling | Jul 30 19:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: If you have $10, you can get a $10 Ubuntu One Whorebar that works | Jul 30 19:26 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <MinceR> that may yet change. | Jul 30 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | or you can get a $1 Ubuntu One Whorebar for free | Jul 30 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | just to get you started | Jul 30 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Well, the same can be said about Google | Jul 30 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 19:27 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 30 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | at least when Opera took on Bing, they relegated it to third class support that you can easily delete | Jul 30 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu makes all these mods that you can't easily dispose of without breaking other stuff | Jul 30 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | all the Ubuntu derivatives and their mass exodus to Debian speaks for itself | Jul 30 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | even though a few of those project leads say it's because it's not worth decrapifying Ubuntu anymore | Jul 30 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | the interesting thing is that Ubuntu is even causing hell for official derivitaves | Jul 30 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | like Xubuntu and Kubuntu | Jul 30 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | read their mailing lists sometime if you get bored | Jul 30 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | half the posts are "The Ubuntu GNOME people broke foo, how do we cover this up?" | Jul 30 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | *derivatives | Jul 30 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | it does not speak highly of their quality control | Jul 30 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | when all they're worried about is hacking something together for their main GNOME distro | Jul 30 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | even at the expense of torpedoing their own side projects | Jul 30 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | I have a suspicion that a lot of Canonical employees are intern-level patch monkeys that have only maybe a half a clue what they're doing, a fourth of the time | Jul 30 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | they even break things in GNOME sometimes and call it a feature | Jul 30 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Now I won't profess that I know exactly how to do something better, but that's the thing | Jul 30 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't know how something works, don't touch it | Jul 30 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | you'll end up breaking it | Jul 30 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical employees are dangerous because they know just enough about what they're doing to mangle things horribly | Jul 30 19:35 |
| MinceR | not a problem if you're only breaking it for yourself :> | Jul 30 19:35 |
| MinceR | "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" | Jul 30 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They're largely responsible for Empathy | Jul 30 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | which is on the Top 5 worst disasters in GNOME history list | Jul 30 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | in my opinion | Jul 30 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | Hey, I know! Let's make something that uses just as many resources as Pidgin, depends on libpurple anyway, but is missing every other feature and likes to crash randomly! | Jul 30 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | Brilliant! | Jul 30 19:37 |
| MinceR | fits right into the 'copy macos' theme | Jul 30 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | oh right, and we won't bother respective global preferences of GNOME, so spell check is en-GB even when the user is an American | Jul 30 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | yay! | Jul 30 19:38 |
| MinceR | "The Same Thing, Now With Less Features" | Jul 30 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | *respecting | Jul 30 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | I don't get it | Jul 30 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | are they trying to make sure it doesn't work right for anyone? | Jul 30 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | You've got British users complaining that things in the UI are spelled out in American English | Jul 30 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | I want en-US, but half the rest of the shit uses British spellings | Jul 30 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's jsut so damned frustrating | Jul 30 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | how's that for a "papercut"? | Jul 30 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Any plans to fix that? | Jul 30 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | At least use one or the other so it's right half the time | Jul 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | please? | Jul 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You know what they say about a broken clock | Jul 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Jul 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | It's still correct, twice a day | Jul 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | That's the feeling I get when I sit down to use Ubuntu | Jul 30 19:41 |
| MinceR | who forces you to use ubuntu instead of another distro? | Jul 30 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | meh, every once in a while I get a streak of masochism and install Ubuntu just to see what they've done lately | Jul 30 19:41 |
| jono | DaemonFC, don't you have anything better to spend your life doing than blathering on on IRC? | Jul 30 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't used it day to day since 8.10 came out | Jul 30 19:42 |
| jono | :) | Jul 30 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Do you? | Jul 30 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 19:42 |
| jono | DaemonFC, I would say I make a reasonable contribution :-) | Jul 30 19:43 |
| jono | DaemonFC, all I ever see from you is rambling in here to try and get attention | Jul 30 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | the patients have taken over the asylum at Ubuntu | Jul 30 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 19:43 |
| jono | schestowitz produces lots of great content and tweets, I don't see anything from you like that | Jul 30 19:43 |
| *DaemonFC installs jono# CIL into Mono and backs him up on Ubuntu One # | Jul 30 19:45 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 19:45 |
| jono | DaemonFC, heh | Jul 30 19:45 |
| jono | ok, later | Jul 30 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Out of curiosity.... | Jul 30 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | What are you going to do with Banshee's Amazon MP3 plug-in? | Jul 30 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | rip it out and paper over it with Ubuntu One? | Jul 30 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | jono: I actually do have a constructive complaint here somewhere I think | Jul 30 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | How about having Ubuntu One as an abstraction layer that finds the best prices on MP3s | Jul 30 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | depending on the user's locale settings :) | Jul 30 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | prices per MP3 vary wildly depending on where you get them | Jul 30 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | Google can automatically have an MP3 Store Death Match for you | Jul 30 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've noticed that on average, you're paying 10-20% more if you just use 7digital (Ubuntu One) without looking around | Jul 30 19:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @dhohndel I love it "my arguments don't work, so let's stop the argument" http://bit.ly/cnmB1d - sorry Canonical it's not that simple. | Jul 30 19:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | is it worth complaining about? sure why not? your selling point is that the thing backs up ONLY 7digital MP3s to Ubuntu One's cloud | Jul 30 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | but an MP3 is an MP3 as much as a gallon of gas is a gallon of gas | Jul 30 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | if the station on one side of the street is 3 cents cheaper, you pull in there | Jul 30 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's really the only way to make an integrated MP3 store useful | Jul 30 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise you might as well bypass it completely and play price war | Jul 30 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | integrated Ubuntu One and nothing else is like saying maybe you limit yourself to the most expensive grocery store in town for no reason in particular | Jul 30 19:52 |
| *DaemonFC hands MinceR a Mac, well, it's not really a Mac, but it is a generic IBM PC clone with Ubuntu | Jul 30 19:53 | |
| *DaemonFC hands MinceR some Starbucks coffee, well, it's not really Starbucks, but it is the finest imitation grocery store premium coffee | Jul 30 19:53 | |
| MinceR | that's better than a mac | Jul 30 19:53 |
| MinceR | even better than a dell with ubuntu | Jul 30 19:53 |
| MinceR | what's an imitation grocery store? | Jul 30 19:54 |
| *DaemonFC hands MinceR an actual Magic Mouse, because nothing else comes close to emulating that kind of breakdown in usability | Jul 30 19:54 | |
| DaemonFC | except maybe the Apple hockey puck mouse | Jul 30 19:54 |
| MinceR | do they sell imitation grocery there? | Jul 30 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | but those are discontinued | Jul 30 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Basically you go into a grocery store here, right? | Jul 30 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | and there's like 3-4 brands of the same thing at 3-4 different prices | Jul 30 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | then off to the side there's a store brand that's cheaper because it's in a different box | Jul 30 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | and they're all made by the same megaconglomerate anyway | Jul 30 19:55 |
| MinceR | or so you say | Jul 30 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | so why are there now 5 different brands of corn flakes at 5 different prices? | Jul 30 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | that's grossly inefficient, but it creates a tier system | Jul 30 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | where people are made to believe the expensive corn flakes are somehow better | Jul 30 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | and people leave the store paying whatever they were willing to pay | Jul 30 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | if you think about it, different editions of the same software product are just like the corn flakes | Jul 30 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | except that you pay them to go down a notch and disable features they had already implemented anyway | Jul 30 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 19:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple, Which Sues #Linux Using Patents, Expands Patent Arsenal http://ur1.ca/0xou3 #swpats #apple #monopoly | Jul 30 19:58 | |
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| MinceR | also, ubuntu is yet far from emulating the breakdown in usability that macos represents :> | Jul 30 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying | Jul 30 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | and eventually they'll succeed | Jul 30 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Preschool OS is helping them out | Jul 30 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | with that stupid Nautilus Elementary thing | Jul 30 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | their goal is to make Windows XP seem downright advanced and feature filled | Jul 30 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | I believe | Jul 30 19:59 |
| MinceR | m$, too is working hard on making winblows xp seem advanced | Jul 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | reimplementing the notifications tray but leaving half the icons in the actual notifications tray is my favorite | Jul 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | try to customize or unlock the panel and it rearranges itself randomly | Jul 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | everytime you log in | Jul 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | their "real live honest to god gnome session" thingy doesn't load a real GNOME session | Jul 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | it just disables the indicator and breaks your notification tray | Jul 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | the broken/patched apps that can't load a system tray icon jsut load nothing instead | Jul 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh nuts | Jul 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | someone at the door | Jul 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | dare I open it? | Jul 30 20:03 |
| *DaemonFC looks for his steel baton | Jul 30 20:06 | |
| DaemonFC | why do I buy these things when I can never remember where I put them | Jul 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | the one time someone does attack me I'll have to throw Jabba at them | Jul 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | found a hammer though | Jul 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's my door, I guess I'd be well within my rights to pin up a GO AWAY sign | Jul 30 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | but that would be harsh | Jul 30 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | abrasive | Jul 30 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | rude even | Jul 30 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | so unlike me | Jul 30 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'll just be passive aggressive and try to figure out who is disturbing me in case I ever get the chance to spit in their coffee | Jul 30 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: If you were a baton, where would you be? | Jul 30 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 20:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Passwords in the wild, part IV: the future - http://bit.ly/aXKAN6 why aren't they using a federated identity provider? #passwords | Jul 30 20:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | or how about "Door to door salesmen will be shot, door to door religious recruiters will be shot twice" | Jul 30 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | "No police without valid warrant" | Jul 30 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 30 20:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Data needs Open Source tools - http://bit.ly/cXU9tL "We need a Github for data." this is really important #opendata #versioncontrol | Jul 30 20:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: Tear this ship apart and find those plans, and bring me the passengers, I want them alive! | Jul 30 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Where are you going? Get rid of this guy I just choked to death! | Jul 30 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 20:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Science Online 2010: What shall I say? #solo2010 - http://bit.ly/aO37nB "I had probably planned to talk about how to make science data Open" | Jul 30 20:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | Unilever | Jul 30 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | they're famous for something | Jul 30 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | cutting down the rainforests to plant tea, sure | Jul 30 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | but something worse than that | Jul 30 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | what was it? | Jul 30 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://mozillamemory.org/detailview.php?id=7601 | Jul 30 20:19 |
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| DaemonFC | rofl | Jul 30 20:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Now using Mozilla Thunderbird - Exported all feed from g00gle reader to thunderbird http://bit.ly/bqOVbO | Jul 30 20:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | "And I think number six on the list was "the browser will never have a whore bar." And what that was in reference to was that Netscape had sold all of the bookmarks on the "personal toolbar," this is your link bookmark toolbar that's Netscape's name for it, the personal toolbar, the thing that is yours but it was filled up with paid for sponsored links. " | Jul 30 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu/Nautilus | Jul 30 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | "And it was like-it was so clear that they were going to monetize every pixil on the screen that they could" | Jul 30 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 30 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | "And all of the decisions we make about features and about any relationships with other companies, any you know, financial agreements or sponsorships are always going to be subservient first to, is this good for the user; second, is this technically a strong decision and viable over the long term? Is this good for-is this good for all of the people participating in development? Is it going to sit well with all of them? And | Jul 30 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | some opportunity, potentially, of revenue or something like that? But that's really down at the end of the list instead of the way it was, Netscape-AOL where the first decision was. Is there revenue opportunity we can attach to this piece of the browser?" | Jul 30 20:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Software Patents Lobbyists and Patent Trolls http://ur1.ca/0xpfc #swpats #iv #patenttroll #microsoft | Jul 30 20:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's like history repeating itself | Jul 30 20:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] From Wellington to Lucerne: Tracking the Major ACTA Changes - http://bit.ly/bxgCUQ handy summary #acta | Jul 30 20:27 | |
| MinceR | you could always edit the personal tool bar though | Jul 30 20:27 |
| MinceR | or hide it | Jul 30 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | or purge Ubuntu One | Jul 30 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | for now | Jul 30 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | you know, like you used to just close the inidcator applet | Jul 30 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | and never have to deal with it again | Jul 30 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | and now it takes out actual important system tray icons | Jul 30 20:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] SourceForge Traffic Distribution: A Picture is Worth a Thousands Words - http://bit.ly/djB0nE interesting stuff #soureforge | Jul 30 20:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Apple Patents Travel, Hotel and Fashion Applications - http://bit.ly/92b77D Apple continues its journey into the heart of digital darkness | Jul 30 20:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Swivel Viewer, an open source embeddable album viewer from Google - http://bit.ly/9c7klq a little specialised, but more is good #opensource | Jul 30 20:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Recent OlivePad of India contains Qualcomm MSM7227 chipset. ARM16 Microprocessor with embedded DSP (GSM,EDGE/GPRS,3G) http://bit.ly/cyuBRx | Jul 30 20:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Sometimes the apple falls *nowhere near* the tree. http://is.gd/dTuyC HT @redcountess | Jul 30 20:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] ... ... ... um. http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19182.html | Jul 30 20:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “No One Understands Computer Programs or How They Should be Patented,” Argues Lawyers’ Site http://ur1.ca/0xppl #eu #epo #swpats | Jul 30 20:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google is leaving LiMo in a miserable state, so #ACCESS jumps ship and hopes to float on Google’s http://ur1.ca/0xpqr [correct link] | Jul 30 21:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya by all means, get your reading habits off the #FogComputing . I use Thunderbird more than I use Firefox. Get ThunderBrowse | Jul 30 21:04 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: are you around? | Jul 30 21:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] @schestowitz Thanks for advice. You should make a blog/video on how you do things like reading so many blogs/tweets and then reroute them | Jul 30 21:11 | |
| schestowitz | tessier_: I got the impression somewhere that DB caching could be related to the issue, but I did some testing to ensure there's no caching and still, I couldn't upgrade the DB | Jul 30 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I have an ongoing query in the WordPress Forums (where I used to contribute a lot) | Jul 30 21:11 |
| schestowitz | No answer so far, though | Jul 30 21:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya use http://ur1.ca/0xptq , get dupes deletition plugin, subscribe to good feeds, dual-head with text editos (I use Kate) | Jul 30 21:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] @schestowitz have you seen TabCandy for Firefox? http://people.mozilla.org/~araskin/movies/tabcandy.mov must watch | Jul 30 21:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Google stopped selling the Nexus One, which came “rooted” (meaning that you could easily install your version of Android on it as you like) | Jul 30 21:17 | |
| schestowitz | I'm asking in the Forums now..... "I've struggled for hours trying to upgrade from 2.9.2 to 3.0.1. I have done all that's required (plug-ins disabled, etc.) and no matter what I try, whenever I upgrade the database (about half a gigabyte) through wp-admin/upgrade.php the process immediately hangs with the following error." | Jul 30 21:20 |
| schestowitz | "PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method wpdb::tables() in /home/techright/public_html/wp-admin/includes/upgrade.php on line 1403, referer: http://techrights.org/wp-admin/upgrade.php " | Jul 30 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | I do not know where to proceed from here. Hours spent researching to no avail. I can get 3.0.1 running at the front end, but I can't get to the admin panel without upgrading the database (which I can't do because of this error). | Jul 30 21:20 |
| schestowitz | endquote | Jul 30 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Wow. This has taken up so many hours toda | Jul 30 21:21 |
| schestowitz | *today | Jul 30 21:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Bunch of new indicator goodies land in Maverick - http://is.gd/dTx5N #ubuntu | Jul 30 21:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya yes, seen that | Jul 30 21:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Flash Co-Creator Jonathan Gay talks of the challenges they faced in using H.264 standard. http://bit.ly/9VnI4n | Jul 30 21:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] interesting to read - 10 years on: free software wins, but you have nowhere to install it - http://bit.ly/8XVyOR #android | Jul 30 21:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Have you tried Clementine? | Jul 30 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I wanted to | Jul 30 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Try minirok | Jul 30 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It's good | Jul 30 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz I ended up force installing their RPM for Fedora | Jul 30 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | after figuring out the equivalent Mandriva dependencies | Jul 30 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | it all works great though :) | Jul 30 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva has it, but not the latest version | Jul 30 21:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] We're still struggling to upgrade #techrights http://ur1.ca/0xq1q at least we have the weekend to resolve this | Jul 30 21:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | I managed to get Firefox 4 to accept the extensions I wanted | Jul 30 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | there's a "compatibility reporter" extension that automatically overrides everything and force installs whatever you tell it to :P | Jul 30 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | Skipscreen has become a can't-live-without | Jul 30 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | it makes Rapidshare and ilk a lot less infuriating as a free user | Jul 30 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | skips the ads, starts the countdown, and clicks the download button for you while you're off doing whatever | Jul 30 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Rapidshare likes to expire the download link after like 2 minutes if you don't click on it | Jul 30 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | then you get to wait another 120 seconds :P | Jul 30 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | what pisses me off is that there's still people out there that like to use split password protected RAR files | Jul 30 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | and don't know that bittorrent exists | Jul 30 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think there ought to be three strikes laws for this | Jul 30 21:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] We're still struggling to upgrade !techrights http://ur1.ca/0xq1q at least we have the weekend to resolve this | Jul 30 21:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | how do they license Clementine GPL3? | Jul 30 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | wasn't the old 1.x Amarok GPL 2? | Jul 30 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | they forked a lot of its code right? | Jul 30 21:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I just completely screwed my Maverick machine. Re-installing. | Jul 30 21:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon Upgrade to Mandriva. I'll be here if you need help. :) | Jul 30 21:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] You are a bunch of sarcastic smart arses...see if I ever share my technical problems again. :P | Jul 30 21:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] 1. Troll #jonobacon 2. Lulz. 3. ? 4. Profit! | Jul 30 21:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon Can you name Ubuntu 11.04 the Sarcastic Smartass after me? I'd be honored. :) | Jul 30 21:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon You can set fortune-cookie to spit out a DaemonFC quote every time indicator crashes. I hereby license my quotes under GFDL. | Jul 30 21:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] When I did an upgrade, apt wanted to remove everything. Naturally, I pressed 'y', screamed, canceled. The laptop doth protest. | Jul 30 21:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I see that Olin Coles from Benchmark Reviews is now bullying/censoring @mmasnick too; he does the same to me. Shame on Benchmark Reviews | Jul 30 21:55 | |
| DaemonFC | why would Apt want to remove everything? | Jul 30 21:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon Did you go for the hidden Easter Egg in sudo rm -rf / ? :D | Jul 30 21:56 | |
| DaemonFC | the only time it would do that is if you used aptitude dist-upgrade and it had marked everything as orphans for some reason | Jul 30 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | and they ditched aptitude in favor of more Mono CILs | Jul 30 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 21:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Controversial review site is pressuring @mmasnick to change his post, giving an ultimatum and deadline #BenchmarkReviews #streisandeffect | Jul 30 21:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] This is actually a blessing in disguise. I was due a fresh install anyway. Friday afternoon seems a good time. | Jul 30 21:57 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz "Personally, I have been defending Ubuntu all along because unlike Novell, Canonical did not sign a patent deal with Microsoft. " | Jul 30 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | Shuttleworth didn't rule it out | Jul 30 21:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Citi throws a nickel into the hat to settle a multi-billion-dollar white-collar fraud http://ur1.ca/0xq6s | Jul 30 21:59 | |
| DaemonFC | he said that they could achieve great things by working with Microsoft | Jul 30 21:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.11 KB | Jul 30 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | and that they wouldn't sign an agreement over "unspecified" patents | Jul 30 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | who would? | Jul 30 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft paid Novell to sign the deal | Jul 30 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Novell would not have paid Microsoft for the deal | Jul 30 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | what Shuttleworth said wasn't hell no, it was holding out for the right price | Jul 30 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 22:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SEC charges billionaire Texas brothers who donate to GOP with fraud http://ur1.ca/0xq6z Nice people | Jul 30 22:00 | |
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| schestowitz | [21:58] <DaemonFC> Shuttleworth didn't rule it out | Jul 30 22:01 |
| schestowitz | He sort of did | Jul 30 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [22:00] <DaemonFC> what Shuttleworth said wasn't hell no, it was holding out for the right price | Jul 30 22:02 |
| schestowitz | "I'm going to Mars!" | Jul 30 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't say what you mean, you don't mean what you say :) | Jul 30 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | and nowhere did he say HELL NO | Jul 30 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | if he wanted to put that to rest and was sincere, he would have said "Not now, not ever" | Jul 30 22:03 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: Any alternative way to upgrade the db manually? Do we know what sql it wants to run on the db? | Jul 30 22:05 |
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| DaemonFC | grrr | Jul 30 22:05 |
| MinceR | rawr | Jul 30 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | rheet! | Jul 30 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 30 22:06 |
| MinceR | huh? | Jul 30 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | rheet | Jul 30 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/libraries/bonus-tracks/rheet.wav | Jul 30 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | Chatzilla autolinks there whenever you say rheet | Jul 30 22:07 |
| MinceR | i never used chatzilla much | Jul 30 22:08 |
| MinceR | my chatzilla experience was "does this thing support scripting? no. *close* " | Jul 30 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's not a tank | Jul 30 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | but it's only like 150 kilobytes or so | Jul 30 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | so given what it does support, it's decent | Jul 30 22:10 |
| MinceR | given that there's a 200 GB HDD in this machine, i can't be bothered to care | Jul 30 22:11 |
| *DaemonFC has a 1 TB hard drive | Jul 30 22:11 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 22:11 |
| *MinceR has 3 1 TB hard drives on the shelf | Jul 30 22:11 | |
| MinceR | (with the connectors dangling :> ) | Jul 30 22:11 |
| MinceR | (and a 500 GB Passport currently connected) | Jul 30 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Jul 30 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | just think of how many Chatzillas that could hold | Jul 30 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 22:12 |
| schestowitz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20100727/tc_nf/74504 | Jul 30 22:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Free Tools Can Fix Windows Shortcut Vulnerability - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 111.58 KB | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: that's what one guy asked, the guy in the forum. He received no answer | Jul 30 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | xchat is ridiculous and is hard-coded to use xdg-open | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if it's just changing some version number in the DB | Jul 30 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | instead of letting YOU choose what it will call | Jul 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Like in Firefox compatibility, where you can 'fix' it with a text editor | Jul 30 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | and unless you know how to set xdg-open to open the right browser, KDE tries downloading the page and then opening the local copy in your default browser :) | Jul 30 22:14 |
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| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/comments/cvlv6/this_actually_happened_at_my_internship/ | Jul 30 22:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: This actually happened at my internship : reddit.com .::. Size~: 125.79 KB | Jul 30 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes, but is Server Core affected? | Jul 30 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | tee hee | Jul 30 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Server Core is HARD Core | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | "The engineer is Russian. :) Awesome guy!" | Jul 30 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | bringing up Windows to run a copy of CMD seems | Jul 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, baby makes mother | Jul 30 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | excessive... | Jul 30 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | maybe that's me | Jul 30 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I was thinking of tossing the new Debian-based Crunchbang on my laptop and seeing what I end up with | Jul 30 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | that thing is ancient, even Lubuntu has it dragging along | Jul 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "And when they [Microsoft] will compare Windows Phone 7 to Android ? :p ♻ @schestowitz: So Microsoft is starting to do "comparisons" with Ubuntu ..." http://identi.ca/notice/44509172 | Jul 30 22:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Didier Misson (didiermisson)'s status on Friday, 30-Jul-10 21:10:12 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.43 KB | Jul 30 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | I've just never gotten on well with minimal desktop environments | Jul 30 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | which reminds me of another JWZ quote | Jul 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Windows Phone 7 doesn't exist yet | Jul 30 22:21 |
| MinceR | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2010-06-24-n15.html | Jul 30 22:21 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How to Access the Internet (A Guide from 2025) .::. Size~: 14.01 KB | Jul 30 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | "Mozilla is big because your needs are big. Your needs are big because the Internet is big. There are lots of small, lean web browsers out there that, incidentally, do almost nothing useful. If that's what you need, you've got options..." | Jul 30 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think the same is true of desktop environments | Jul 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | "Stewart Alsop, industry gadfly, presented Gates with the "Golden Vaporware" award [...]" --daughter of Microsoft's PR chief | Jul 30 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | if you really need to keep your 486 going, then yes....by all means load something small that doesn't do much | Jul 30 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44167294#notice-44509459 "@schestowitz lol ... Microsoft compare with Ubuntu ... 7.04 ... ;-)" | Jul 30 22:23 |
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| cubezzz3 | no, I can't agree, browsers don't have to be huge things that do everything | Jul 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | "Of course not ... Phone 7 not exist yet... they are soooo laaaateeeeee.... ;-)"http://identi.ca/conversation/44198522#notice-44509514 | Jul 30 22:23 |
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| cubezzz3 | more and more I use links | Jul 30 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have to be | Jul 30 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | the statement isn't as true as when he said it | Jul 30 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | things like rekonq are actually quite nice | Jul 30 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | in between crashes anyway | Jul 30 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 22:24 |
| cubezzz3 | never saw links crash | Jul 30 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Join us for another episode of "when ryan met lunix" | Jul 30 22:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] just noticed that almost all post on ilugc planet belongs to me - http://ilugc.org.in/planet/ ;) Looks like I am heavy tech blogger | Jul 30 22:25 | |
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| MinceR | never saw links render background images either :> | Jul 30 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/5/f/c5f00c94-a0f1-4c7a-96ec-fa2fb3d526a4/Linux_Performance.wmv | Jul 30 22:25 |
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| DaemonFC | that says it all | Jul 30 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | .wmv? really? | Jul 30 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Preaching to the converted | Jul 30 22:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya well done | Jul 30 22:26 | |
| schestowitz | "You use WIndows? Good. We'll explain why" | Jul 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: see if you can find their LSE case studies | Jul 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | We tried to dump a copy when LSE dumped Microsoft | Jul 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Cause they'd remove it | Jul 30 22:26 |
| cubezzz3 | duh :) | Jul 30 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | "Did you know? | Jul 30 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 Advanced costs $2,499 per server per year. " | Jul 30 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | what does Windows Server Enterprise retail for? | Jul 30 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | notice they skip over CentOS? | Jul 30 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 30 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't need professional support options your costs to use EL go to exactly $0.00 + the cost of a DVD-R | Jul 30 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva One 2010 Spring KDE http://www.muktware.com/blog/29/2010/259 | Jul 30 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mandriva One 2010 Spring KDE | Muktware .::. Size~: 17.07 KB | Jul 30 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have 2010.1 Free with KDE | Jul 30 22:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @dpic $250 grand prize for #GNUsocial theme design contest ($50 for three runners up)! www.reddit.com/tb/cv9fm #gnu #fsf #fc #fs #sfc | Jul 30 22:29 | |
| DaemonFC | reason being there's no 64-bit One | Jul 30 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | not that it matters | Jul 30 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | I prefer Free anyway | Jul 30 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | no need to remove outdated Catalyst and the Fluendo MP3 codec | Jul 30 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 30 22:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I just went to http://fedora.org/ hoping to learn more about Fedora - not what I expected. | Jul 30 22:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | " * None of Mandriva’s Kernels have PAE support, except the Server kernel." | Jul 30 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | So? Install the 64-bit kernel | Jul 30 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | wimp | Jul 30 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 30 22:32 |
| MinceR | so? install debian | Jul 30 22:32 |
| MinceR | wimp | Jul 30 22:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 30 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | "The Server kernel is not pre-emptible, and thus performance is rather degraded" | Jul 30 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | actually, raw performance is improved | Jul 30 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | responsiveness is degraded | Jul 30 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 22:33 |
| schestowitz | "Don't diss Mandriva, or it'll behead YOU!!" ;-) | Jul 30 22:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: why not change those window decorators? | Jul 30 22:33 |
| schestowitz | They're ugly | Jul 30 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | Why change those decorators? | Jul 30 22:33 |
| schestowitz | They're ugly | Jul 30 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | I disagree | Jul 30 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | #1 | Jul 30 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | #2 is, juggling QT and GTK+ is not really that easy | Jul 30 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | if you want a consistent look and feel | Jul 30 22:34 |
| MinceR | hm, jono chickened out of the channel | Jul 30 22:35 |
| schestowitz | http://maketecheasier.com/basket-multipurpose-notepad-for-kde/2010/07/28 | Jul 30 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Basket A Multi-Purpose Note Pad For KDE - Make Tech Easier .::. Size~: 34.93 KB | Jul 30 22:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: camera shy | Jul 30 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | everything except Firefox gets along with the GTK-QT engine thing | Jul 30 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe he pressed quit by accident. It's easy to do in Ubuntu 10.04 :-) | Jul 30 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox just starts melting down :p | Jul 30 22:35 |
| MinceR | firefox uses GTK+ in strange (and somewhat broken) ways | Jul 30 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe he had an Ubuntu, but Apt ated it | Jul 30 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 30 22:36 |
| *MinceR rolls his eyes at DaemonFC | Jul 30 22:36 | |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is not an OS | Jul 30 22:36 |
| schestowitz | It's a hack | Jul 30 22:36 |
| MinceR | every GNU/Linux distro is an OS | Jul 30 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's Debian + godawful hacks + whorebars and other corporate crap | Jul 30 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Your heart is an OS | Jul 30 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 30 22:37 |
| MinceR | no it isn't | Jul 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | operating and also a system | Jul 30 22:37 |
| MinceR | it's a blood pump | Jul 30 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'd use Sidux if they gave some kind of guarantee that Catalyst would keep working | Jul 30 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | they don't | Jul 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Does it need to have CPU? | Jul 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | It has clocking | Jul 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | From the brain | Jul 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Involuntary though | Jul 30 22:37 |
| MinceR | no, it has its own clock signal | Jul 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | it stores blood cells | Jul 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | I/O - check | Jul 30 22:37 |
| cubezzz3 | and it can crash too -> heart attack :) | Jul 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: does it? | Jul 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | No nerves at all? | Jul 30 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva Server has Xen support? | Jul 30 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Xen crashes Nvidia drivers? | Jul 30 22:38 |
| schestowitz | OMG, the heart is like an indpendent alein in my body | Jul 30 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | why have I never noticed? | Jul 30 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Gotta get it out of there! | Jul 30 22:38 |
| cubezzz3 | can't program on a heart though | Jul 30 22:38 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: the brain can change its rate | Jul 30 22:38 |
| MinceR | but it can beat on its own | Jul 30 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | "The Multimedia kernels..." | Jul 30 22:38 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinoatrial_node | Jul 30 22:39 |
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| DaemonFC | the only supported kernels are desktop, server, and linus | Jul 30 22:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: like lizards' tail? | Jul 30 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | the rest all point to desktop | Jul 30 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | this guy doesn't know much about Mandriva | Jul 30 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-Mint-9-KDE-released-1046914.html | Jul 30 22:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux Mint 9 KDE released - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.73 KB | Jul 30 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Looks good too ^^^ | Jul 30 22:39 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i don't know about lizards' tail | Jul 30 22:39 |
| schestowitz | It can move if you cut it off | Jul 30 22:40 |
| MinceR | those probably have reflexes through the spinal column | Jul 30 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe blood stream | Jul 30 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | [ryan@localhost ~]$ uname -a | Jul 30 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Linux localhost 2.6.34.1-1mdv #1 SMP Fri Jul 23 23:21:18 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | Jul 30 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | x86_64 to the max! | Jul 30 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Who's Max? | Jul 30 22:40 |
| MinceR | chant the architecture thrice | Jul 30 22:40 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: Max Damage | Jul 30 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Max Payne | Jul 30 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Pain | Jul 30 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Max the lizard | Jul 30 22:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @quaid @jonobacon Which is still less disconcerting than if you went to http://www.redhatsociety.com/ looking for a Red Hat fan club. | Jul 30 22:41 | |
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| cubezzz3 | does it really show it 3 times? :-P | Jul 30 22:41 |
| schestowitz | It mates with Geeko and then came susie | Jul 30 22:41 |
| schestowitz | I heard Ballmer was screwing with SUSE | Jul 30 22:41 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carmageddon_box.jpg | Jul 30 22:41 |
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| DaemonFC | http://torgersens.net/img/tux_msn.jpg | Jul 30 22:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=digital_copywrongs | Jul 30 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | RMS FTW | Jul 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | my MSN display pic :P | Jul 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | in Pidgin | Jul 30 22:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: looks like you | Jul 30 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Mean and tenacious | Jul 30 22:43 |
| schestowitz | But you're be swatting the penguin | Jul 30 22:43 |
| schestowitz | And hugging MSN butterflies | Jul 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | why? | Jul 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | dammit | Jul 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Cause you're a Windows fan | Jul 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | people use MSN | Jul 30 22:44 |
| MinceR | In Soviet Redmond, m$n uses YOU!! | Jul 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Don't be messin' with MSN | Jul 30 22:44 |
| MinceR | In Soviet Redmond, m$n messes with YOU!! | Jul 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | no, I get it for free and mess with it now and then for kicks | Jul 30 22:44 |
| cubezzz3 | I don't use MSN at all :) | Jul 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | you don't think I'd pay for Windows 7 Ultimate? | Jul 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Redmond, only old Korean people use MSN | Jul 30 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | or Server 2008 R2? | Jul 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | i stay online in it but don't use it if i don't have to | Jul 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | too many clueless people rely on it | Jul 30 22:45 |
| schestowitz | trmanco? | Jul 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | and whine when the registration server goes down again | Jul 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | dunno, i don't have him on my roster :> | Jul 30 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Where has he been BTW? | Jul 30 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Well, he'd be happy to see his bot still eating lots of CPU and doing good things | Jul 30 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | I have an MSDN, Technet, and Dreamspark account | Jul 30 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | so I get pretty much anything they produce | Jul 30 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Chips and burger, please | Jul 30 22:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi all | Jul 30 22:47 |
| cubezzz3 | hey there | Jul 30 22:47 |
| MinceR | hay | Jul 30 22:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.infopackets.com/news/business/microsoft/2010/20100716_ms_office_2010_sales_disappointing_report.htm "According to a recent report by tech industry analysts NPD Group, sales of Microsoft's new Office 2010 software have been "disappointing" since its launch several weeks ago." | Jul 30 22:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: MS Office 2010 Sales Disappointing: Report / Infopackets.com .::. Size~: 30.32 KB | Jul 30 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | the download manager in Minefield is broken-ish | Jul 30 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | it tends to crash the browser after a download is done | Jul 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 30 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Critics says Office 2010 simply doesn't offer enough new features, and can't yet shake users from free programs like Google Docs which ably manage the very basic function of creating and sharing documents. Microsoft may have to either cut the hefty price of its software suite, or face the challenge of building must-have features not offered by rivals." | Jul 30 22:49 |
| cubezzz3 | who would pay for Microsoft Office? | Jul 30 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not I | Jul 30 22:49 |
| cubezzz3 | like, who would be that stupid? :) | Jul 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | I have it | Jul 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't pay for it | Jul 30 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I never even liked it | Jul 30 22:49 |
| cubezzz3 | Microsoft marketing.. you must resist | Jul 30 22:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The bigger cash cow of MS is in trouble now. The has to hasten the demise of the dinosaur. | Jul 30 22:50 |
| cubezzz3 | well the economy is still sluggish | Jul 30 22:51 |
| cubezzz3 | businesses are trying to save money | Jul 30 22:51 |
| cubezzz3 | it's a no-brainer | Jul 30 22:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/28/glenn-becks-gold-inv.html | Jul 30 22:51 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Been away for awhile visiting sick relatives | Jul 30 22:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its sorry whats bad for MS, is generally good for the consumer. | Jul 30 22:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Less money for MS, usually means more freedom for the rest of us. | Jul 30 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will need to sign some more contracts with NPD | Jul 30 22:53 |
| schestowitz | They need to work out a way to stuff channels and inflate figures by tricks | Jul 30 22:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that only works well for the short term | Jul 30 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Apple waiting.... | Jul 30 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I told you, MIcroosft isn't the end of it | Jul 30 22:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | true | Jul 30 22:55 |
| schestowitz | But at least now that Novell is selling itself and Microsoft falls behind Apple I can peacefully move on | Jul 30 22:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but Jobs days are numbered | Jul 30 22:55 |
| schestowitz | At least there's some sense that we all accomplished something and Apple too will be toppled one day | Jul 30 22:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Jobs is "chopped liver" as they say | Jul 30 22:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not that I wish JObs harm or anything, but I fear he is living on borrowed organs | Jul 30 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Almost literally in his case | Jul 30 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: MinceR is in line to give Jobs a heart | Jul 30 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Big hear | Jul 30 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Big heart | Jul 30 22:56 |
| schestowitz | P:-p | Jul 30 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: does Jobs have a family/kids? | Jul 30 22:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs sort of reminds me a a weak scifi movie, where the bad guy kept getting organ and limb replacements from the defeated | Jul 30 22:57 |
| schestowitz | None that I've heard of | Jul 30 22:57 |
| schestowitz | ChanServ: gov. schwarzi is the same | Jul 30 22:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I only looked at Jobs money, when I researched | Jul 30 22:57 |
| schestowitz | It won't save him | Jul 30 22:57 |
| MinceR | give jobs a big heart... with a pump? | Jul 30 22:57 |
| schestowitz | We all die at the end | Jul 30 22:57 |
| MinceR | insert nozzle, operate pump, observe expansion? | Jul 30 22:58 |
| schestowitz | They can bury him with/under his money, in coinage | Jul 30 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Woz is the more interesting one, he actually seems to care about people | Jul 30 22:58 |
| MinceR | huh? | Jul 30 22:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: iHeart Jobs | Jul 30 22:58 |
| MinceR | woz is an idiot | Jul 30 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jul 30 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe in some ways | Jul 30 22:58 |
| schestowitz | He replies to a friend of mine | Jul 30 22:58 |
| MinceR | he thinks free software is about being gratis and he believes a phone is innovative and great even if you also have to carry a real phone that connects to another telco as a "backup" | Jul 30 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Jul 30 22:59 |
| schestowitz | True | Jul 30 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Cause Linux is just some 'hobbyist' thing | Jul 30 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100729/tc_nm/us_amazon | Jul 30 22:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Amazon offers $139 wireless Kindle for mass appeal - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 135.73 KB | Jul 30 22:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder if woz would say the same if that retarded "phone" happened to have some other brand than crApple | Jul 30 23:00 |
| MinceR | "it's a great phone, only you can't receive or initiate calls with it, or use the phone network in any way!" | Jul 30 23:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New box nearly installed. I love how much easier installation is these days. :-) | Jul 30 23:01 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A lot of articles about Ballmer being forced out these days. | Jul 30 23:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Apple-Response-to-Jailbreaking-Decision-Could-Be-Futile-380190/ | Jul 30 23:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Apple Response to Jailbreaking Decision Could Be Futile - Mobile and Wireless from eWeek .::. Size~: 108.95 KB | Jul 30 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: notice Microsoft is less relevant now | Jul 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | I have 2000+ articles about them in my box | Jul 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Haven't bothered reading them | Jul 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Not yet anyway | Jul 30 23:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] openPMA aims to implement an improved operating system for PMA. Installing Linux and icecast server has been reported http://www.openpma.org | Jul 30 23:03 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | ok, but they are still on 88% of desktops, so when that drops down another 20% they will be really really irelevant. | Jul 30 23:03 |
| MinceR | when they won't be able to yank other companies around they will be irrelevant | Jul 30 23:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that from a high of 95.3% at one time | Jul 30 23:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or when the money dries up | Jul 30 23:04 |
| MinceR | provided they can't just imagine money into existence | Jul 30 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Windows Phone 7 failure continues the direction of the Kin | Jul 30 23:04 |
| MinceR | with accounting trickery and whatever | Jul 30 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | How does MS think it going come back with a phone OS based on CE that it sells, when Android is free? | Jul 30 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is just pouring money down the phone rathole | Jul 30 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.informationweek.com/news/infrastructure/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226400055&subSection=All+Stories | Jul 30 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ballmer Guarded On Windows Phone 7 Prospects -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 73.19 KB | Jul 30 23:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft CEO says the company is not going to restore its reputation in the phone market overnight. " | Jul 30 23:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "A number of you had a chance to kind of ask me a question ? which is how are we going to do," Ballmer told the analysts, at Microsoft's Redmond, Wash. headquarters. "And I think it's fair to say we've got a lot of work to do," said Ballmer. " | Jul 30 23:07 |
| ThistleWeb | given that ballmer seems to be responsible for failure after failure after failure, all of which soaks MS's market share and revenues down the tubes, we really should be hoping he stays on as long as possible | Jul 30 23:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This must be Ballmer's way of telling us the obvious, that Windows Phone 7 will suck. | Jul 30 23:07 |
| ThistleWeb | the more he erodes MS, the less damage it can do | Jul 30 23:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer is not going anywhere. He has stock, Bill and friends too kept him in. | Jul 30 23:08 |
| MinceR | judging by what i've seen of winblows phone 7, m$ hopes to gain success by copying the dumbness of hypeOS and adding another drawback from android | Jul 30 23:08 |
| MinceR | after all, the hypePhone could be successful despite being fundamentally crippled | Jul 30 23:09 |
| ThistleWeb | from what I understand, MS are assuming that peeps already use the whole Line eccosystem of mail etc, which isnt the case | Jul 30 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I also need to upgrade the site this weekend. Never had so much trouble doing it... http://wordpress.org/support/topic/upgade-php-fatal-error-call-to-undefined-method-wpdbtables-in-upgradephp?replies=0#post-1623037d | Jul 30 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://gizmodo.com/5599103/comcast-to-customer-pay-us-000-or-well-cancel-your-service? | Jul 30 23:09 |
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| ThistleWeb | Live* | Jul 30 23:09 |
| MinceR | if they bought crApple, they could rename it to Liver | Jul 30 23:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I wish I could find the link on Google web search for cell phones, I lost it. Google has 98% of search on cell phones overall worldwide. MS has lost the Phone advertising market as well. | Jul 30 23:10 |
| ThistleWeb | android has an advantage in that a LOT of peeps already use a lot of googles srvices, regardless of which OS / browser | Jul 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <MinceR> if they bought crApple, they could rename it to Liver | Jul 30 23:11 |
| ThistleWeb | they're not gonna switch to live just because MS want them to | Jul 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Surely they can't call it iLive :-) | Jul 30 23:11 |
| ThistleWeb | with devices like phones, peeps are getting the idea that they should be able to use them the way they want | Jul 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Almost... | Jul 30 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ah, but under Ballmer's expert 10 year reign, profits have doubled! Of course, all of this can be because of the increase of sales of computers year after year. | Jul 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jul 30 23:12 |
| ThistleWeb | if MS phones give stuff like googlemail / docs / calendar etc a raw deal to favour their own live stuff, peeps will see it as not fit for purpose | Jul 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | When Ballmer came Microsoft had like $60bn pile | Jul 30 23:12 |
| MinceR | sale by OEMs they kept in their stranglehold | Jul 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Now they have debt | Jul 30 23:12 |
| MinceR | just like the mafia | Jul 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | And they seem to have accounting malprictice | Jul 30 23:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS cannot afford to buy Apple, or Google | Jul 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Or Yahoo | Jul 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | THey were gonna borrow to buy Yahoo | Jul 30 23:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, not anymore | Jul 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | In April 2008 | Jul 30 23:13 |
| ThistleWeb | the need to integrate stuff like MS office just doenst apply to phones either | Jul 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | $22bn | Jul 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Liddel went to the bank | Jul 30 23:13 |
| ThistleWeb | peeps are not gonna sit and create a doc on a phone | Jul 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Misspelled name, oops | Jul 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: with proprietary software | Jul 30 23:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | look at what Yahoo Japan is trying to do, stick with Google as search engine. | Jul 30 23:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I cant imagine using any office app on a phone, open or closed | Jul 30 23:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yahoo Japan knows that Bing will kill them. | Jul 30 23:14 |
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| MinceR | does Yahoo! Japan! believe they can outlive their parent company? | Jul 30 23:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If Yahoo Japan uses Bing as the background search, they are dead. | Jul 30 23:15 |
| MinceR | is that different from other parts of Yahoo!? | Jul 30 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its Yahoo Japan only chance, to go with Google | Jul 30 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jul 30 23:15 |
| ThistleWeb | there is no market for a paid office app on a phone | Jul 30 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/29/suspicious_android_app/ | Jul 30 23:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 'Suspicious' Android wallpaper app nabs user data • The Register .::. Size~: 28.04 KB | Jul 30 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20011735-264.html | Jul 30 23:16 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Yahoo Japan switches to Google search | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 101.09 KB | Jul 30 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Yahoo is an investor in Yahoo Japan, but it's not the only one--Softbank holds a bigger share--so Yahoo Japan's decisions don't necessarily align with that of Yahoo." | Jul 30 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is very upset about this, claiming that would give Google 98% of the Japan search market | Jul 30 23:17 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 30 23:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which means Bing only has less than 2% right now. | Jul 30 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://reason.com/archives/2010/07/29/forced-to-be-free | Jul 30 23:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Forced to Be Free - Reason Magazine .::. Size~: 191.12 KB | Jul 30 23:18 |
| schestowitz | much less | Jul 30 23:18 |
| ThistleWeb | "forced to be free" sounds like a bra strap breaking | Jul 30 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Bong US performance warps the rest | Jul 30 23:18 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: Yes, Ballmer knows how that feels | Jul 30 23:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am not so sure that it would not be a good thing for Ballmer to get the boot. Sure, he is a dumb as rocks, and takes MS down the road to ruin. | Jul 30 23:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Android tablet with just 8760 INR http://amzn.to/dck3oS | Jul 30 23:20 | |
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| schestowitz | Bouncing Baboon Ballmer | Jul 30 23:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But a replacement could reign in the markets MS competes in, and only work on core products, windows and office. | Jul 30 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: but who would replace him? | Jul 30 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Think about it. | Jul 30 23:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Office days are numbered no matter what MS does | Jul 30 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Jul 30 23:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates would only come in for a short time, if at all. | Jul 30 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Just margins decline | Jul 30 23:21 |
| schestowitz | They'll need to give it online for _Free_ | Jul 30 23:21 |
| schestowitz | No Ballmer bra strings attached | Jul 30 23:21 |
| schestowitz | No deodorant, either. Ewww... | Jul 30 23:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In the end, the market is being driven to cheaper hardware and free software. | Jul 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | In abundant ecnonomies, people race to $0 | Jul 30 23:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jul 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | $35 tablet... $100 laptop... $5 WInXP :-) | Jul 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they write that off as full tetail price | Jul 30 23:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there will be less places for MS to extract money from | Jul 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | To impress inventors | Jul 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | *investors | Jul 30 23:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: No tea, no sympathy. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/541138.html | Jul 30 23:23 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: reddragdiva | No tea, no sympathy. .::. Size~: 14.88 KB | Jul 30 23:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | windows and office are dying slowly | Jul 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: ARMosoft chips? | Jul 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | They try hardware | Jul 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | KIN | Jul 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Zune | Jul 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Xbox | Jul 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Fail. Fail. Fail. | Jul 30 23:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS and ARM? This is the start of the breakup with Intel. | Jul 30 23:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | INtel playing with Linux | Jul 30 23:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The falling out has begun | Jul 30 23:24 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: http://online.wsj.com/media/1222pod15.jpg | Jul 30 23:25 |
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| Aondo | actually i think they are just getting another leg to stand on | Jul 30 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | somehow Comcast zeroed out the $86 I owed them | Jul 30 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | and sent me a check for $6.83 | Jul 30 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | oh well | Jul 30 23:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | For MS to keep some of their market long term, I would think they would have to become a hardware manufactorer, like Apple does Mac computers. | Jul 30 23:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Alright, fresh install in place - installing updates and pretty much back in business! :-) | Jul 30 23:26 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to fight them | Jul 30 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 30 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:24] <Chips_B_Malroy> INtel playing with Linux | Jul 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Intel 'started' it | Jul 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | THeir employees use Linux | Jul 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft going to ARM is a reactive thing | Jul 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft used to play off Intel vs AMD | Jul 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's not about "believe" and "Dey" | Jul 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | *deny | Jul 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | it's accepting or "scepticism" | Jul 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | One just has a weak case | Jul 30 23:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I am now moved from Firefox to minefield (ff4 beta3 pre) with has TabCandy Support. Now I can manage 100+ tabs http://tinyurl.com/2bef35w | Jul 30 23:29 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Not sure if ARM can beat Intel based chips out of the computer markets. They use less power, but Intel keeps coming out with lower power chips. One thing is certain, that ARM will cause Intel to be less profitable long term, if they have to compete with low cost ARM chips. | Jul 30 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So ARM chips could be a killer for both MS and Intel | Jul 30 23:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-07-21/will-microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-be-fired-for-low-stock-price/ | Jul 30 23:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Will Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer, Be Fired for Low Stock Price? - The Daily Beast .::. Size~: 229.56 KB | Jul 30 23:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.inquisitr.com/80722/apple-looking-to-control-look-and-feel-of-mobile-applications/ | Jul 30 23:31 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | ' | Jul 30 23:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Senior Microsoft executives, disenchanted with the company's stagnant stock, have been secretly discussing how to kick Chief Steve Ballmer, and maybe the board, to the curb." | Jul 30 23:32 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/07/22/unrest-msft-management/ | Jul 30 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Techrights » Steve Ballmer at Risk of Being Thrown Out, Bill Gates Still Makes the News Due to Fraud .::. Size~: 93.85 KB | Jul 30 23:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Since Gates and Ballmer both have a board seat | Jul 30 23:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And the guy that started Netflix as well | Jul 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Board... seat... good combination for ejection | Jul 30 23:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, good pun | Jul 30 23:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Russia to introduce 'draconian' Minority Report-style law http://ur1.ca/0xr2o RMS calls them "successor of the KG" | Jul 30 23:36 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Russia to introduce 'draconian' Minority Report-style law | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 71.88 KB | Jul 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/28/asbos-theresa-may-home-secretary | Jul 30 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Asbos on the way out, signals Theresa May | Society | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 74.68 KB | Jul 30 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Microsoft has never changed its thinking | Jul 30 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | from back in the Dos days | Jul 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Gates will walk the board, Steve will break a chair | Jul 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/28/global-temperatures-2010-record | Jul 30 23:37 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Back in the days of MSDOS 3.1, you expected things to not always work right. MS used the cutting edge newness agruement as to why things were slightly broken, and worked "goog enough." | Jul 30 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But people do not accept that anymore | Jul 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | They do sometimes | Jul 30 23:39 |
| schestowitz | They don't have basis for comparison | Jul 30 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It seems like MS and Ballmer still think they can turn out windows and software that is "good enough," to MSDOS 3.1 standards. What people want these days, is Windows that works and is secure, not windows that has to be reinstalled every 6 to 12 months. | Jul 30 23:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/28/bullfighting-ban-spain-catalonia | Jul 30 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Catalonia votes to ban bullfighting | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 72.07 KB | Jul 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | "Computer just crash and get 'infected'" | Jul 30 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> agreed. Many do not compare. | Jul 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | '"it's better than my last comouter (WIndows)" | Jul 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | [Unless it's VIsta] | Jul 30 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS keeps Linux off OEM's computer's, so the public cannot compare. Its why Apple is selling more in USA as its in the store and secure by windows standards. | Jul 30 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft works to ensure people don't see Linux | Jul 30 23:42 |
| schestowitz | e.g. on Eee PC | Jul 30 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Then they tell friends Linux just work. Can't let *that* happen | Jul 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | It works and "it's free" too | Jul 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Devalued Winders | Jul 30 23:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or worse, they tell their friends they did not have any malware in linux like windows | Jul 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | We need a new name for malware | Jul 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Like walware | Jul 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Something more like Windows | Jul 30 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Got to run, was great chatting with you folks here. Roy, keep up the good work! | Jul 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | malwindows? | Jul 30 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maldows? | Jul 30 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/3JunC/ | Jul 30 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Young Richard Stallman .::. Size~: 5.21 KB | Jul 30 23:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Young Richard Stallman [Ogg] http://tinyogg.com/watch/3JunC/ | Jul 30 23:47 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Young Richard Stallman .::. Size~: 5.21 KB | Jul 30 23:47 |
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| TechrightsBot | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: NEW "DEATH STAR" BLACK HOLE DISCOVERED .::. Size~: 5.25 KB | Jul 30 23:54 |
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| TechrightsBot | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Strut That Ass (ORIGINAL VIDEO) .::. Size~: 5.23 KB | Jul 30 23:57 |
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