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10.28.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 27th, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:07 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz “Steven Rubin is counsel in WolfBlock’s Intellectual Property/Information Technology Practice Group” Oct 27 00:00
schestowitz No bias here. :-)) Oct 27 00:00
schestowitz ET=Enemy Territory. Oct 27 00:00
pombat42 Ok! I do know that one. mind slow today. Oct 27 00:01
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Interests/Wo… Oct 27 00:01
pombat42 Wolf=good game Oct 27 00:02
twitter You listen to someone who says ” Roy is forgetting that WMV is free software and thus roy is once again attacking free software while defending proprietary Ogg.”? Oct 27 00:02
pombat42 the complete ogg spec is in the public domain. Oct 27 00:05
twitter yes, that’s true so AlexH is full of shit. Oct 27 00:10
twitter everyone knows that Oct 27 00:10
schestowitz It’s not him. Oct 27 00:11
schestowitz It’s a reverse troll. Oct 27 00:11
twitter Troll just the same.  Why don’t you block that idiot? Oct 27 00:12
pombat42 u think i am alex? Oct 27 00:15
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schestowitz http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo… “I agree there’s a huge amount of astroturfing going on here. They’re doing their best to stifle you.” Oct 27 00:15
schestowitz pombat42: no, it’s someone in BN comments. Oct 27 00:15
pombat42 sorry.. i’ Oct 27 00:15
twitter no, pombat42 Oct 27 00:15
pombat42 im not alex Oct 27 00:15
pombat42 ok i c..sorry Oct 27 00:15
schestowitz Haha. Oct 27 00:15
schestowitz Ambiguities. Oct 27 00:15
schestowitz Big post: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/26/… I need a break now. Oct 27 00:37
PetoKraus do you, by any chance, have a link to that user interface image of vista Oct 27 00:48
PetoKraus the “consistent” user interface Oct 27 00:49
MinceR gn Oct 27 00:49
schestowitz what’s a vista? Oct 27 00:51
PetoKraus i guess you know what image do i mean Oct 27 00:51
PetoKraus i just don’t know where it is :/ Oct 27 00:51
schestowitz http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Boyc… “This seems like a quite negative article, which doesn’t entertain any notion that there could be legitimate concerns about the Novell/Microsoft deal.” Oct 27 00:53
schestowitz PetoKraus: I don’t know which image? Developer guidelines for GUIs? Oct 27 00:53
PetoKraus no no Oct 27 00:53
PetoKraus it was in a blog of a guy Oct 27 00:53
PetoKraus he analysed what macintosh did with OS x Oct 27 00:53
PetoKraus and there was a screenshot with VISTA desktop Oct 27 00:54
PetoKraus with “consistent” UI Oct 27 00:54
schestowitz It doesn’t ring a bell. Oct 27 00:55
PetoKraus well Oct 27 00:56
PetoKraus finally i see the article Oct 27 00:56
schestowitz URL, pls? Oct 27 00:57
PetoKraus i mean, _that_ article, by BB Oct 27 01:01
schestowitz It’s an attack on us. I told you it would be like this. There’s history there. Oct 27 01:02
schestowitz He would have done the article regardless of whether we responded or now — axe to grand and all. Oct 27 01:02
schestowitz *grind Oct 27 01:02
schestowitz Big names join defections from Republican camp < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oc… > Oct 27 01:04
schestowitz RMS is linking to this thing: Crossing the Rubicon.. Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney < http://www.fromthewilderness.com… > Oct 27 01:06
tessier I don’t know why I bother because Roy is always so much faster than I am but: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/25/apple… Oct 27 01:07
schestowitz I’m going to reply in Linux.com Oct 27 01:10
schestowitz tessier: the number keeps declining. They approved $40bn in buybacks less than a month ago, IIRC (the timing). Oct 27 01:11
pombat42 MS is trying to milk what amounts to a dry nipple. companies are not upgrading to newer versions of office and are certainly not upgrading to vista. Oct 27 01:13
pombat42 The only live nipples are the preconfigured market and educational units Oct 27 01:13
pombat42 colleges etc Oct 27 01:13
pombat42 Vista is XP with eye candy. Office is office is office is office. All very much the same for a business user Oct 27 01:14
pombat42 the economy is killing them Oct 27 01:14
schestowitz Like many others. Sub-notebooks win big though. All the OEMs go in this direction now… Oct 27 01:19
schestowitz As such, the price of Windows (XP of course) sank to around $18 and Microsoft’s Windows revenue declines, as per their latest report, as well as previous one/s. Some OEMs also put StarOffice on XP-based sub-notebooks. Big ouch.. Oct 27 01:21
PetoKraus schestowitz: as I promised, here’s the conversation with bruce: http://pk.gjhak.sk/.storage/bruce.pdf Oct 27 01:22
pombat42 the subs are still too close to the price point of low end full laptops Oct 27 01:23
schestowitz Brilliant: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph… “‘Tolerating’ an opinion just means to not otherwise try to prevent people from voicing it except by arguments to the contrary. This implies that people who call publishing an opinion which is not in line with some or all of their own ‘intolerant’ are actually themselves guilty of being intolerant.” Oct 27 01:24
schestowitz pombat42: yes, price-fixing. Wait until AMD and ARM enter this arena. OLPC was supposed to cost just $100 and do some moe. Oct 27 01:25
pombat42 I have a friend who works as a network troubleshooter for Nortel who uses a netbook because of size. he travels a lot and loves it. Oct 27 01:26
schestowitz Thanks, PetoKraus. Read it. Oct 27 01:27
PetoKraus he pissed me of Oct 27 01:28
PetoKraus *off Oct 27 01:28
PetoKraus i mean, i asked him to send me a link once it’s published Oct 27 01:28
schestowitz I told you he was trouble. Oct 27 01:28
PetoKraus nah, he quoted me quite alright Oct 27 01:28
PetoKraus though he made me look like a “incompetent dummy” Oct 27 01:28
schestowitz PetoKraus: that was his intention. Oct 27 01:28
schestowitz To portray the site as a bunch of teens. Oct 27 01:29
schestowitz He wanted to discredit the site, not to review it. Oct 27 01:29
schestowitz I think I told you, no? Oct 27 01:29
PetoKraus well, it was obvious Oct 27 01:29
schestowitz I noticed that [H]omer_ had left a reply there a while ago Oct 27 01:29
PetoKraus me as well Oct 27 01:30
PetoKraus is he a native speaker? Oct 27 01:31
PetoKraus “informational hub”, come on! there’s no such a word Oct 27 01:31
schestowitz He’s Canadian. Oct 27 01:32
PetoKraus yeah Oct 27 01:32
schestowitz All in all, as much as he tried to harm us, it may have backfired, as expected. Oct 27 01:33
PetoKraus :) yes Oct 27 01:34
schestowitz His writing about us only validates the site as a hub. Novell was unhappy about it. Watch the anonymous comments voicing anger that he didn’t contact Novell (I see 2 comments) Oct 27 01:34
PetoKraus yes, it was quite funny to see Oct 27 01:34
PetoKraus also, the replies on linuxtoday are good Oct 27 01:34
PetoKraus you know, one of the most important personality traits of good sysadmin is Oct 27 01:35
PetoKraus paranoia. endless paranoia Oct 27 01:35
schestowitz This article pulled a lot more attention than anything they publish (see # of comments in http://www.linux.com/ ) Oct 27 01:35
schestowitz Paranoia for whom? Oct 27 01:35
schestowitz For me or for Free software. Of course, Microsoft would never want to harm Free software. ;-) No sirre, Bob.. Oct 27 01:36
PetoKraus schestowitz: it’s meant to be just paranoia Oct 27 01:36
PetoKraus don’t trust anything Oct 27 01:36
PetoKraus hand compile the sources :P Oct 27 01:36
schestowitz Read them too. Oct 27 01:37
schestowitz Study it. Oct 27 01:37
PetoKraus well, how are you gonna hand-compile without reading, man Oct 27 01:37
schestowitz The truth is that you just need to rely on peers for it. Pass sources, not binaries. Oct 27 01:37
PetoKraus :) yes. My friend, or aquintance, he’s paranoid Oct 27 01:38
schestowitz It’s like Wikipedia. If there’s something bad in it, an eyeball will catch it somewhere along the way. It’s all visible. Oct 27 01:38
PetoKraus and schyzofrenic. And addicted to Xanax Oct 27 01:38
PetoKraus perfect sysadmin Oct 27 01:38
schestowitz Xanax. Oct 27 01:38
schestowitz *LOL* Oct 27 01:38
PetoKraus time to sleep. Got stereochemistry exam tomorrow Oct 27 01:41
PetoKraus *today Oct 27 01:41
pombat42 good luck on your exam Oct 27 01:43
schestowitz Yes, good luck. Oct 27 01:43
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twitter Liked the apple insider story, http://slashdot.org/~twitte… Oct 27 02:57
twitter BB’s article got Linux.com attention, that’s not a backfire it’s what he planned. Oct 27 02:58
schestowitz The harm is probably small compared to what can be seen as recognition, but there ya go… Oct 27 02:59
schestowitz It’s not as though we got any more traffic. Oct 27 02:59
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mib_bgzn1t Black screen of death article is excellent, I enjoyed it, thanks Oct 27 03:09
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twitter good night Oct 27 03:40
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MinceR geekings Oct 27 07:39
schestowitz RBS slashing 16,000 staff : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news… Oct 27 08:47
schestowitz Should I ask linux.com to let me write an article (for them to publish) explaining the Novell/Microsoft deal? I suspect they’ll agree. Oct 27 09:09
schestowitz Maybe it’s worth doing an article about how the press demonises independent thinkers. Oct 27 09:28
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ZiggyFish1 I like the sound of this <http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?commai… Oct 27 09:31
ZiggyFish1 Another useful feature is integration of multimedia content from the BBC that was previously available only on computers running Microsoft Windows Media Player software. Under the 8.10 version of the operating system, some selected, high-quality streamed BBC content will be available free of charge to Ubuntu users through the built-in Totem Movie Player and Rhythmbox applications. Oct 27 09:31
schestowitz Oh, for a moment there I thought BBC had done something. It’s just another Ubuntu-Fu piece. Oct 27 09:32
ZiggyFish1 I do like the sound of being able to play the content on Linux though Oct 27 09:33
schestowitz It should have been trivial. The MSBBC, whose media division is now controlled by Erik Huggers of (formerly) Microsoft, is trying to spread Microsoft proprietary formats. Oct 27 09:35
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schestowitz Have Terrorists Co-Opted Twitter? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152845/twitter… > OMG! Kill Twitter. It’s evil. It facilitates many groups. Kill USENET too because a fraction of it might contain copyrights infringement. Heck, just bring down the Web. Oct 27 09:47
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ZiggyFish1 heh Oct 27 09:48
schestowitz ZiggyFish1: good news for you guys in Australia. A local shop reports that shoppers demand Linux. Linux Mag says that over 40% of the sub-notebooks run GNU/Linux. Oct 27 09:49
schestowitz U.S. Army warns of Twittering terrorists < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-1007548… > Oct 27 09:50
schestowitz “Microsoft has declared a security emergency, rushing out a patch for a flaw that exposes nearly all of the billion PCs running its Windows operating systems to potentially serious hack attacks.” Microsoft Yells ‘Fire!’ – Then Bars the Doors < http://www.ecommercetimes.com/sto… > Oct 27 09:51
ZiggyFish1 lol Oct 27 09:52
schestowitz Wow. My friend was right yesterday. He said world markets would collapse today. http://www.ecommercetimes.com/stor… Oct 27 09:56
schestowitz http://www.fox28.com/Global/story.asp?S=9235542 (White House urges patience on rescue plan)… http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe Oct 27 09:56
schestowitz They’ve tried everything. Oct 27 09:57
schestowitz FTSE 100:3,711.23 Oct 27 09:57
ZiggyFish1 lol Oct 27 10:00
schestowitz Not so funny actually. It’s down like 40% since 52-week high and people lose their homes now. Oct 27 10:08
PetoKraus lol Oct 27 10:10
PetoKraus “But for some strange reason, the installed Gentoo doesn’t allow normal users to run any administrative applications.” Oct 27 10:10
PetoKraus what a dick! it’s called security Oct 27 10:10
MinceR http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php… Oct 27 10:31
MinceR sounds like kaspersky sold out to someone Oct 27 10:31
MinceR or they’re just plain clueless Oct 27 10:31
schestowitz Annual Kaspersky Labs Fearmongering (2008 Edition)! < http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/31546 > Oct 27 10:33
schestowitz This is horrible: SplashTop Security Hole Still Exists < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa… > Oct 27 10:38
schestowitz The Open Standards 2008 conference scheduled to be held in Sydney this week has been cancelled due to a lack of registrations. < http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?… > Oct 27 10:42
schestowitz Standards were killed by Microsoft/ISO tag-team corruption. From the above: “Some of the speakers listed to hold talks included Lachlan Hunt from Opera on HTML5, Rick Jelliffe from Topologi with an Overview of XBRL, Microsoft’s Lawrence Crumption with a presentation entitled ‘Openly Excited: Microsoft, Open Source and Open Specification’” Oct 27 10:43
schestowitz So 2 our 3 of are Microsoft or their cronies (Rick Jelliff). ‘Open’ ‘standards’… brought to you by the company that blackmailed, bullies, bribed and lied for it… Oct 27 10:44
schestowitz Images of planet Earth… ‘owned’ rather than shared.. http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php… Oct 27 10:49
MinceR the part i liked especially is how they declare symbian to be the most secure os because it has mandatory code signing Oct 27 10:49
schestowitz Doesn’t iPhone have that too? To an extent? Oct 27 10:50
MinceR it might, after all it’s even more locked down Oct 27 10:53
schestowitz And still not secure.. http://www.smartdevicecentral.com/article… Oct 27 10:53
MinceR you don’t need to convince me that symbian and the iphone os both suck :) Oct 27 10:54
MinceR i wonder what our resident apple fanboy will say about it though :> Oct 27 10:55
schestowitz Do you get sound on that one? Oct 27 10:56
MinceR i’m not trying, i’m at work Oct 27 10:57
schestowitz http://www.downloadyoutubevideos.com/ is broken. The other tools seems to have deficiencies. Oct 27 10:57
schestowitz Proceed to till to purchase your binary app… http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.p… Oct 27 10:58
MinceR http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/vi… Oct 27 10:59
MinceR there are also firefox extensions and command line tools to do so Oct 27 11:00
MinceR Magic’s Video is one such extension Oct 27 11:00
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MinceR or you can use the Live HTTP Headers extension to grab the .flv url from the communication it does when loading Oct 27 11:01
schestowitz I see greasemonkey-extension Oct 27 11:10
schestowitz And https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fi… Oct 27 11:10
schestowitz For some reason, greasemonkey won’t add menu items as it should. Oct 27 11:10
MinceR i’ve only tried to handle gametrailers through greasemonkey Oct 27 11:11
MinceR not youtube Oct 27 11:11
schestowitz Sessionrestore is broken now. Oct 27 11:13
schestowitz Turns out I had a defunct process running. It’s fine now. Oct 27 11:18
schestowitz This one < http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/vide… > seems to work and it’s brilliant. Hats off to you. I can now produce Ogg versions more quickly. Oct 27 11:22
schestowitz Apple earnings, profits, and cash embarrass Microsoft < http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/10/25/apple-ear… >. Red Hat did pretty well too. Same with WInd River. Oct 27 11:29
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schestowitz Ballmer is doing “DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!” again… days ago in Brasil.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AUM_yt0EsQs Oct 27 12:38
schestowitz They put dancing monkey in Brazilian TV: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PTN5jC1sWD8 Oct 27 12:39
schestowitz Ouch. AMD admits to some borked ATI Radeon HD 4830s < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2… > Oct 27 12:41
schestowitz Look at this chart: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EATX&t=1y (Austrian market down from  almost 5000 to just 1680 points) Oct 27 12:56
schestowitz MoD’s London brass resist job cuts : http://www.theregister.co.uk/… Oct 27 12:58
schestowitz Spendings continue nonetheless (at least for good cause): http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/10/27/u… Oct 27 13:01
schestowitz Hooray! The Wicked e-Voting Witch is Dead… < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/10/hoo… > -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10… Oct 27 13:01
twitter Ballmer must have seen you laughing at Advertisers, advertisers, advertisers, baby! Oct 27 13:02
twitter Pawns and one night stands either way. Oct 27 13:07
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct… Let’s call it “fingerprint theatre”. It makes you feel safe. Sci-fi stuff all ova’ the place! Oct 27 13:08
twitter The Open Standards 2008 conference failure sounds typical of M$ tactics.  They get in and stink the place up to kill their competitor’s get together. Oct 27 13:10
twitter I’ve read they used to do this to Apple.  They would get into developer conferences and then hype up cross platform development that Mac heads had no interest in. Oct 27 13:11
twitter Developers would lose interest, thinking the conference was all about M$ and the conference would sink. Oct 27 13:11
schestowitz Anyway, that’s dead Oct 27 13:12
schestowitz http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit… “I’ve no idea whether AMQP is indeed the bee’s knees, as Red Hat would have us believe, but I do know this: if Microsoft *really* wants to join in the open fun, it must always freely license its contributions, as Red Hat says it has done for AMQP. If the devil *insists* on supping with you, do check that you have a good supply of long spoons first.” Oct 27 13:12
twitter Just insist on GPL3. Oct 27 13:13
schestowitz Microsoft ‘steals’ the show in this year’s OSBC… talks software patents (links in the first sentence here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/07… ) Oct 27 13:13
schestowitz Watch what happens in Wall Street today when it opens. Oct 27 13:14
twitter Go for the linux.com article deal if you can get it.  They would enjoy the circulation.  The owe you an apology for letting BB smear you, the least they could do is let you explain how rotten the M$/Novell deal was. Oct 27 13:16
twitter GPL3 torpedoed that deal but that won’t keep M$ from trying to pull another SCO with Novell.  Both attacks are equally fictitious. Oct 27 13:19
schestowitz http://trombonechamp.wordpress.com/… “For example, after someone from our table ordered a Coke, he informed us (and the waitress) about a Coke boycott due to the murder of several Columbian employees, and directed us all to www.killercoke.org.  Whenever someone asked him a question, he didn’t hesitate at all, or try to think of an answer.” Oct 27 13:19
schestowitz I’ll pop a quick E-mail. Oct 27 13:23
schestowitz I send a request for a writing spot. Oct 27 13:26
schestowitz FWIW: “Several months ago, Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols referred me to you, suggesting that I ask about writing opportunities (I currently write for Datamation). As you probably know, Bruce Byfield published quite a damning article on Friday and I wish to publish a polite article that explains why the Novell/Microsoft deal is to be viewed cautiously.” Oct 27 13:26
schestowitz “One commenter in Bruce’s article explicitly asked for such an article, which I can deliver in a clear and professional way.” We shall see what happens. Oct 27 13:27
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schestowitz Ryan Paul is, sadly enough, still boosting Mono… http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081027-… Oct 27 13:29
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schestowitz Microsoft is gaming Uncle $am… http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10075073-… “One important Microsoft employee seems favorably inclined: Steve Ballmer donated the maximum amount of $2,300 to Reichert’s campaign in November 2007 and again in June 2008.” Oct 27 13:35
schestowitz Haha. Bless Radu… “Bruce is not so great when comes to writing, and one of the latest proofs is the confusing article on Linux.com: Boycott Novell: Champion of freedom or den of paranoia?” < http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary… > Oct 27 13:44
schestowitz Linux Hater is CLOSING SHOP. :-) http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/20… Oct 27 13:46
twitter M$ budget cuts, later Linux Hater.  :) Oct 27 13:47
schestowitz *LOL* Well, assuming you believe the theories… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/lin…  Miguel know who this writer is. Oct 27 13:48
schestowitz *knows Oct 27 13:48
kentma schestowitz: that’s an amazing sign of the times… Oct 27 13:48
schestowitz kentma: what specifically? Oct 27 13:49
kentma the linux hater blog running out of funding… Oct 27 13:49
schestowitz :-) Oct 27 13:49
schestowitz I don’t know if it’s a shill blog. Oct 27 13:49
twitter trombonechamp has a cool mom and a not so cool LUG.  You know that RMS won’t speak at any group with Linux in it’s name?  He seems to have loosened up. Oct 27 13:49
kentma of course it’s a shill blog…  why else would it be there?  If “linux hater” really wanted to improve linux and distros he/she could’ve got involved. Oct 27 13:50
twitter yeah, I just made the budget cuts up as a joke.  no telling why they folded up shop, but it was a bullshit waste of time in any case. Oct 27 13:50
schestowitz For all I know (some of it is in the URL above), Miguel knows who he is, but he also works with Microsoft/FOSS turncoats, one of which is in this IRC channel. Oh wait!! he’s gone too. Oct 27 13:50
schestowitz Where is cj? Oct 27 13:50
schestowitz Microsoft cutting down on surveillance? /sarcasm Oct 27 13:50
kentma twitter: it’s a buget cut, of course, the question is /why/ Oct 27 13:50
twitter because they are running out of money Oct 27 13:51
kentma twitter: indeed… Oct 27 13:51
twitter and they know the abuse is backfiring anyway, they’ve known this for years actually Oct 27 13:51
schestowitz They just axed a half-billion budget (Microsoft) Oct 27 13:51
kentma twitter: I also suspect that the foolishness of criticising linux when most of your customers are busy adopting it is probably dawning on the MS marketing and products people. Oct 27 13:51
schestowitz One source I can recall also said that they chopped a lot of marketing (yes, no kidding) Oct 27 13:52
kentma indeed.  Once the lock-in is over, you need to start being nice to your customers. Oct 27 13:52
schestowitz But for all I know and can remember, the half-a-billion-USD chop affects the online business. Oct 27 13:52
schestowitz Some of it is summarised here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/26… Oct 27 13:52
kentma schestowitz: if they’re cutting 0.5bn there, there’ll be other cuts too. Oct 27 13:52
twitter The Mojave advert was downright insulting to their customers.  I’m not sure they have learned anything. Oct 27 13:52
schestowitz kentma: I’ve asked linux.com for room… to do an article about Novell/Microsoft. Oct 27 13:52
kentma schestowitz: good luck… Oct 27 13:53
schestowitz roblimo migh be cautious, but Lee would be cool. Oct 27 13:53
schestowitz kentma: staff too, allegedly. They have hiring and spending freezes in place. Oct 27 13:53
kentma It deserves coverage, it’s more about whether LC are prepared to potentially jeopardise advertising revenue in the name of journalistic integrity. Oct 27 13:54
twitter If Linux.com does not give you space for a story, the comments did you justice anyway. Oct 27 13:54
kentma I’d heard about staffing freezes, too. Oct 27 13:54
schestowitz The Surface had it’s pice jacked up to $13500, which i hilarious ’cause they wanted to kill the project one year ago and now they have a recession… not just the price going up by 250% Oct 27 13:54
twitter That price will kill it better than anything else. Oct 27 13:54
schestowitz kentma: it’s affecting everyone (staffing), but Microsoft is ludicrous to pretend it’s not suffering. Oct 27 13:55
kentma agreed… anyway, off to get some food and lie down again  -  I’m a bit unwell today – see you soon. Oct 27 13:55
schestowitz It’s a version of Vista with no developers around it to implement apps supportive of the interfaces. Surface will die like SPOT watch (another BIllG fantasy that died last year) Oct 27 13:56
schestowitz Get well soon, kentma Oct 27 13:56
kentma ta Oct 27 13:57
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schestowitz Australia trials national net filters : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7689964.stm Oct 27 13:59
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schestowitz It ought to be added the Fake Steve Jobs (another ‘anonymous’ blog) was shut down some months after its author got exposed — a Microsoft/SCO shill Daniel Lyons…. reverse-trolling. Oct 27 14:03
twitter from the trombonechamp, “Someone (who obviously wasn’t a big fan of his) tried to outsmart him about his opinions on copyright.  … This man wanted to know if, since he advocated for people to break the copyright of proprietary software licenses, he also advocated for people to break the GPL license.  … Stallman, obviously frustrated by this questions, told the man that it was not about breaking licenses, it was about doing wha Oct 27 14:11
schestowitz “Roy, we’d be happy to have you write for us, but the Novell/Microsoft deal was a long time ago. Absent any new developments, I think all the points have been made and made again. If you feel Bruce’s article was damning, we’d consider a bylined response to it, as long as it didn’t devolve into a point-by-point attempt to address specific issues. “ Oct 27 14:11
schestowitz I’ll pass. Oct 27 14:11
twitter :-( Oct 27 14:13
schestowitz At least Novell/Microsoft can’t bar us from publishing. Anyway, it’s only fair that they won’t (Re)publish old news. The site is howtos, reviews and news. It’s rarely about op-eds. Oct 27 14:14
twitter BB’s sear was pure Op-Ed. Oct 27 14:15
twitter It was covered a lot of stale Novell/M$ ground. Oct 27 14:15
twitter and got it wrong. Oct 27 14:15
schestowitz It mentioned almost none of the reasons for criticism… as if he sees nothing wrong with it and neither should the reader. Oct 27 14:16
twitter I don’t know what a byline is. Oct 27 14:16
schestowitz “Den..” Oct 27 14:16
schestowitz Like aninals. Oct 27 14:16
twitter Paranoia Oct 27 14:16
twitter like bullshit Oct 27 14:16
schestowitz Then comparing the site to a bunch of paranoid TEENS Oct 27 14:16
schestowitz “Don’t take them seriously” Oct 27 14:16
schestowitz It’s a zoo… they are animals (den)… Oct 27 14:16
schestowitz Paranoid… writing based on emotion, not facts. Oct 27 14:17
twitter The article was not up to any reasonable journalistic standards. Oct 27 14:17
schestowitz Anyway, I won’t bother with a Byfield Byline. :-) Oct 27 14:17
schestowitz Waste of time really… not everyone fell for that mental trap. Oct 27 14:17
twitter If you write a byline, whatever that is, it should be about the low quality of the smear. Oct 27 14:17
schestowitz No, it would not be personal. Oct 27 14:18
twitter BB’s article was personal, that’s not professional. Oct 27 14:18
schestowitz Either way, let’s forget about it. People who know BN have more to judge by. Oct 27 14:18
schestowitz People who never knew BN are at least aware of its existence now. Oct 27 14:18
twitter Cool. Oct 27 14:18
schestowitz BB ‘pulled a Sam Varghese’ Oct 27 14:18
twitter an O’Garra Oct 27 14:19
schestowitz He mailed me BTW Oct 27 14:19
schestowitz No, O’Gara is another level. Oct 27 14:19
twitter “friendly terms” of course. Oct 27 14:19
schestowitz O’Gara is packing up, flying airplanes and spending days spying on a person’s car, friends, family.. Oct 27 14:19
schestowitz twitter: yes, friendly. Oct 27 14:20
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twitter O’Gara did what she did because PJ wanted to be anonymous.  You are out in the open. Oct 27 14:22
twitter O’Gara used anonymity itself as a smear. Oct 27 14:22
twitter Everyone, even Steve Ballmer, is friendly.  The difference is BB is wrong and took it to a personal level. Oct 27 14:25
schestowitz Nobody in the Linux sites pay attention to Sys-Con Oct 27 14:25
schestowitz *pays Oct 27 14:25
twitter They question you have to ask is why did he do it.  Does he really think BN and others who champion software freedom “discredit” the free software community? Oct 27 14:25
schestowitz Free software would not have survived it it were not for opinionated ‘rebels’ (in the digital sense). It’s naive to assume that we can now sit down just smoking a peace pipe and writing code.  Oh lookie! Bill&Steve are bribing politicians again… http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-1… Oct 27 14:29
schestowitz /s/bribing/’contributing to campaigns’/ Maybe they need to pass some new laws against that ‘freedom’ thingie Oct 27 14:30
twitter check out MSFT today.  Down 3% already while the rest of the market is down 1%. Oct 27 14:30
twitter They could be flirting with a new 52 week low.  We shall see.  Novell is dinking around $4 Oct 27 14:32
schestowitz It’ll probably settle further down. EU is down about 3% Oct 27 14:32
schestowitz Asia even worse. Oct 27 14:32
schestowitz My friend Mike was right. He said this would happen and Bush is just urging for ‘patience’. Oct 27 14:33
schestowitz What’s fear-inspiring is what effect this may have on far-right-wing parties, whose capitalisation is sometimes anger. As I said earlier, the market in Austria is down about 60-70%  in ONE YEAR. Oct 27 14:34
twitter No telling at this point but there’s not much to wait for.  AIG predictably burned through it’s bail out money in no time and up to 10% of the $700 was going toward bonuses.  The impact of all that is zero. Oct 27 14:35
twitter Yes, it is scary when people are robbed like this.  Those doing the robbing will find scape goats as an excuse for more looting and power grabbing. Oct 27 14:36
schestowitz Slate (Microsoft press): Linux Is Making Me Insane < http://tbm.thebigmoney.com/articles/0s-1s-an… > Oct 27 14:37
schestowitz Got a ref on the AIG bonus thing? I heard about it. Bonus for corruption and all…. Oct 27 14:38
schestowitz “© 2008 Washington Post.” > Melinda Gates, no? Oct 27 14:39
schestowitz +Slate (Microsoft) Oct 27 14:39
schestowitz “Washington Post Buys Microsoft’s Webzine > The Washington Post Co. said yesterday it is buying Slate in an effort to boost the media company’s online traffic but does not plan any editorial changes at the eight-year-old Web magazine.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic… Oct 27 14:40
schestowitz Melinda Gates Joins Washington Post Co. as Director : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar… Oct 27 14:40
schestowitz “The Washington Post Co. elected Melinda French Gates — a former Microsoft Corp. executive and wife of founder Bill Gates — to its board yesterday, adding the spouse of the world’s richest person to a 10-member board that already includes the world’s second-richest person, Warren E. Buffett.” Oct 27 14:41
schestowitz I think we got a rant here. Oct 27 14:41
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PetoKraus lol, i am testing the OOo 3.0 pdf import extension Oct 27 15:38
PetoKraus great! Oct 27 15:38
schestowitz The engine for this was made available as free software some time ago. It can be used for many useful things. Oct 27 15:40
PetoKraus yeah Oct 27 15:40
PetoKraus it’s amazing Oct 27 15:40
schestowitz Google has a proprietary engine to translate PDFs to HTML. Oct 27 15:40
PetoKraus AND gpl 3.0 Oct 27 15:40
schestowitz It’s possible to build a search engine for PDFs in this way. Oct 27 15:41
schestowitz There was a tool called killdoc or killword that can be used to mass convert RedmondB1nar1ies into plain text. Oct 27 15:42
PetoKraus i can’t find the import of OOXML feature in OOo Oct 27 15:43
PetoKraus is it by extension? Oct 27 15:43
PetoKraus ah, it seems it’s in-built Oct 27 15:44
PetoKraus btw, did you know that: if you under gentoo emerge openoffice-bin, you get clean OOo binary, but if you emerge openoffice, you get openoffice + Gooo patches? Oct 27 15:44
schestowitz Gentoo is being Novellised as well then, eh? Oct 27 15:49
schestowitz Same with some other distros. Novell wants to ‘steal’ Sun’s contract and at the same time pollute the sofwtare with stuff its customers are ‘allowed’ to use. Oct 27 15:50
trmanco http://www.readmetro.com/sho… Oct 27 15:50
schestowitz Why do they put a picture of a villain at the top? Oct 27 15:55
PetoKraus well, most users emerge openoffice-bin, since merging OOO takes 4 hours and 6gb hdd Oct 27 15:56
PetoKraus both are LGPL-2 licensed Oct 27 15:57
trmanco schestowitz, don’t know Oct 27 15:58
schestowitz Billg: “Let’s face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey.” Oct 27 15:58
trmanco looks weird and absurd, all I can say is that it is made “the Portuguese way”… but at least they have a reference to Ooo3 Oct 27 15:59
schestowitz Bill and Nathan (Myhrvold) think of themselves as Gods with a God-given right to think and innovate… and become patents trolls that threaten others who dare to think. Anyhoo… Oct 27 16:00
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls Oct 27 16:05
PetoKraus what the Oct 27 16:06
PetoKraus ah, i see now Oct 27 16:06
PetoKraus that pseudo-RMS guy Oct 27 16:06
PetoKraus oh, it’s RMS himself Oct 27 16:07
schestowitz Yes. Oct 27 16:09
PetoKraus you know, gnash renders a bit badly Oct 27 16:09
PetoKraus :D Oct 27 16:09
schestowitz gnash doesn’t like RMS? Oct 27 16:09
PetoKraus :D yeah Oct 27 16:11
PetoKraus http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus -> look at the amount of ££ raised Oct 27 16:15
schestowitz I saw it the other day. Oct 27 16:19
schestowitz God bless them. Oct 27 16:20
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mib_s1h0mn hello, did you read his article http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2… Oct 27 17:04
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schestowitz He beat me to it. Oct 27 17:06
schestowitz I posted about it a minute ago. Oct 27 17:06
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/27/s… Oct 27 17:07
schestowitz BB wrote to say (with permission to quote: “Basically, I’ve reached a point where I’m less concerned with who’s right and who’s wrong in such issues than the effect of such large scale  disputes on the entire free software community. “ Oct 27 17:38
schestowitz “Regardless of the  details, I think that these disputes can only keep people from working  together, and harm free software as a cause.” Well, I might publish an article after all… we’ll see. Oct 27 17:38
twitter Peto, if gnash is having trouble use clive. Oct 27 18:22
schestowitz Changes coming to Sun: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_… Oct 27 18:26
twitter “The Washington Post Co. elected Melinda French Gates” oh no. Oct 27 18:29
schestowitz Funny one… Asay and Rosenberg were in InfoWorld (the former invited by the latter), then they both moved to CNET and now a joint domain: http://www.opensources.com/2008/10/26/open… Oct 27 18:30
schestowitz twitter: it’s old news (WP): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/2… Oct 27 18:31
twitter Here’s a link to the 10% figure.  It’s what portion all of the banks will spend on staff.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/o…   Given the half million dollar parties AIG likes to throw, 10% is a low estimate. Oct 27 18:34
schestowitz Well, do out there (the parties), have a good pay. You sponsor it after all. Oct 27 18:35
twitter Hmm, speaking of parties and slime, Slate’s Farhad Manjoo disses Ralph Nader as well as Ubuntu. Oct 27 18:48
schestowitz dir.salon.com/topics/farhad_manjoo/ Oct 27 18:50
schestowitz It’s a mixed bag… Farhad Manjoo Oct 27 18:51
schestowitz Oops. http://dir.salon.com/topics/farhad_manjoo/ Oct 27 18:51
twitter Oh my, the comments are not friendly.  ” If you’re the tech saavy columnist for Slate, then Slate is seen as a joke” Oct 27 18:53
schestowitz Where? Oct 27 18:54
schestowitz TuxMachines is still pointing to proprietary software.. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/27/… Oct 27 18:54
twitter It was the second comment. Oct 27 18:55
twitter The first one said about the same thing.  Stuff about ten minutes of use and unfair judgments. Oct 27 18:56
twitter One thing that stood out to me is him dissing package managers for needing to add repositories for non free junk. Oct 27 18:57
twitter Does he really expect free software distributions to bear the cost of distributing non free code? Oct 27 18:58
schestowitz Funny that one… http://www.pcmech.com/article/w… Oct 27 18:59
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