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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 4/8/2010: Preview of #KDE 4.5, KDE 4.5 RC3 in #Mandriva 2010.1 http://techrights.org/2010/08/04/preview-of-kde-4-5/Aug 05 00:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft, Salesforce.com settle http://ur1.ca/105cu Microsoft successfully extorts and now 'taxes' sales of Salesforce #swpatsAug 05 00:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Links 4/8/2010: Preview of KDE 4.5, KDE 4.5 RC3 in Mandriva 2010.1 | Techrights .::. Size~: 105.1 KBAug 05 00:01
TechrightsBotTitle: The Associated Press: Microsoft, Salesforce.com settle patent lawsuits .::. Size~: 8.27 KBAug 05 00:01
Chips_B_Malroysome more from the first link:  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/opinion/02krugman.html?_r=1  "We?re told that we can?t afford to help the unemployed ? that we must get budget deficits down immediately or the ?bond vigilantes? will send U.S. borrowing costs sky-high. Some of us have tried to point out that those bond vigilantes are, as far as anyone can tell, figments of the deficit hawks? imagination ? far from fleeingAug 05 00:01
Chips_B_MalroyU.S. debt, investors have been buying it eagerly, driving interest rates to historic lows."Aug 05 00:01
TechrightsBotTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9 KBAug 05 00:01
Chips_B_Malroy"The point is that a large part of Congress ? large enough to block any action on jobs ? cares a lot about taxes on the richest 1 percent of the population, but very little about the plight of Americans who can?t find work."Aug 05 00:02
jstoddardChips_B_Malroy: yeah, a once-unthinkable level of economic distress is in the process of becoming the new normal -- that's part of the program:Aug 05 00:02
jstoddard"In practice the needs of the population are always underestimated, with the result that there is a chronic shortage of half the necessities of life; but this is looked on as an advantage. It is deliberate policy to keep even the favoured groups somewhere near the brink of hardship, because a general state of scarcity increases the importance of small privileges and thus magnifies the distinction between one group and another."Aug 05 00:03
jstoddardThat's what Orwell says, anyway. Keep 'em suffering.Aug 05 00:03
FurnaceBotexactlyAug 05 00:07
FurnaceBotan egalitarian society is precisely what the ruling powers want to avoid.Aug 05 00:07
FurnaceBotthey're hell bent in the other direction, and nothing could be more obviousAug 05 00:07
Chips_B_MalroyNo, its simplier than that, its just greed.  Those at the top want all the marbles.Aug 05 00:08
FurnaceBotit's not JUST that.Aug 05 00:08
FurnaceBotto preserve that privileged position, requires certain things...Aug 05 00:08
FurnaceBotstructural things.Aug 05 00:08
Chips_B_MalroyyesAug 05 00:08
FurnaceBotso jstoddard  is on the money, so to speak.Aug 05 00:08
FurnaceBottrue egalitarianism removes this class entirely.Aug 05 00:08
FurnaceBotit's the ultimate threat.Aug 05 00:09
FurnaceBotso the concept has to be demonised, and eradicated as far as possible, even as an ideal.Aug 05 00:09
FurnaceBot*especially* as an ideal.Aug 05 00:10
jstoddardDoesn't matter too much either way: money \approx power -- if those at the top want all the marbles, they need to divideAug 05 00:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Tami has started a campaign for Severed for Sonisphere 2011 - join and make your voice heard! http://soc.li/EM5NX5gAug 05 00:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Severed Fifth for Sonisphere 2011 | Facebook .::. Size~: 27.99 KBAug 05 00:10
jstoddardWhether it's pure greed, or power lust -- the end requires the same meansAug 05 00:10
FurnaceBotrightAug 05 00:10
FurnaceBotin the end, the motives or goals of this class don't matter, because our hands are full dealing with the dysfunction they are creatingAug 05 00:11
jstoddardexactlyAug 05 00:11
FurnaceBotOrwell nailed it perfectly.Aug 05 00:11
FurnaceBotremove such ideas from discourse; burn the books; Five Minute Hate; 24/7 telescreen; FOX.Aug 05 00:12
FurnaceBotthrough FOX you cannot reach the banned ideas.Aug 05 00:12
FurnaceBotit requires a totalitarian approachAug 05 00:13
FurnaceBotbut a very very familiar one, thanks to those damned booksAug 05 00:13
FurnaceBotcontrol the language, control the discourse, and you control thoughtAug 05 00:14
cubezzz2we have more access to information than everAug 05 00:14
FurnaceBot"terrorist", "progressive", "liberal"Aug 05 00:14
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: it's not so simple.Aug 05 00:14
jstoddardAnd those damned Muslims you know -- gotta keep reminding the populous that they're out to get us, and we need to sacrifice just a bit more libertyAug 05 00:15
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: you can demonise the very idea of uncontrolled information. WIKILEAKS!Aug 05 00:15
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: see?????Aug 05 00:15
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: this is VERY importantAug 05 00:15
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: look how afraid they are of unfiltered information.Aug 05 00:15
tessier_FurnaceBot: With unfiltered information our kids will be watching pornography in no time!Aug 05 00:15
FurnaceBottessier_: :)Aug 05 00:16
FurnaceBottessier_: not on their iPads :-)Aug 05 00:16
FurnaceBottessier_: your point is very well made.Aug 05 00:16
tessier_Kids can't afford ipads.Aug 05 00:16
FurnaceBottessier_: think of the children. Internet filtering. um, yes, it was all about pr0nAug 05 00:16
cubezzz2you just can't really suppress information these daysAug 05 00:16
FurnaceBottessier_: ask China what it's really aboutAug 05 00:16
tessier_Also with unfiltered information Al Qaeda might learn how to make bombs.Aug 05 00:16
cubezzz2portable camera phones for one...Aug 05 00:16
*tessier_ snickersAug 05 00:16
FurnaceBotif it was about pr0n, why do they filter Tiananmen?Aug 05 00:16
FurnaceBottessier_: LOL! Aug 05 00:16
tessier_o/~ trollin' trollin' trollin' keep them doggies trollin' o/~Aug 05 00:17
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: right, but try getting your camera phone pics in front of a FOX-sized audience. see??Aug 05 00:17
cubezzz2youtube? :)Aug 05 00:17
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: it's not so simple, is it.Aug 05 00:17
FurnaceBottessier_: no, i'm agreeing with you-- your point was nicely made. excuses to filter.Aug 05 00:18
FurnaceBottessier_: CP... ultimate distraction from the real agendaAug 05 00:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] AT&T Sued For Revealing Police Chief's Phone Records To Jealous Wife http://dlvr.it/3PWf9Aug 05 00:18
TechrightsBotTitle: AT&T Sued For Revealing Police Chief's Phone Records To Jealous Wife | Techdirt .::. Size~: 20.29 KBAug 05 00:18
jstoddardIt's very simple -- either restrict our access to information, or give us more information than ever, but make sure 90% of it is misleading. Same effect.Aug 05 00:18
jstoddardIt can either be 100% propaganda, or just so much that we can't sort out the inconvenient facts, doesn't matter which.Aug 05 00:19
FurnaceBotyesAug 05 00:19
FurnaceBotthe media environment has been perfected for decadesAug 05 00:20
FurnaceBotit's extremely well set up, now, to control the mainstream Aug 05 00:20
Chips_B_Malroycan't film the police in Britain right?Aug 05 00:20
FurnaceBotthat would be ironicAug 05 00:21
FurnaceBotgiven cctv prevalenceAug 05 00:21
Chips_B_Malroywell its not legal to do so is my questionAug 05 00:22
FurnaceBotjstoddard: right, the diversion from FACTS has been very carefully designed. Hence this "teach the controversy" bullshit, where any non-fact can be given equal timeAug 05 00:22
FurnaceBotjstoddard: it's a deliberate strategy to diminish the facts on any given issueAug 05 00:22
Chips_B_MalroyHere its still legal, but I would not want to get caught doing soAug 05 00:22
schestowitz[23:57] <FurnaceBot> schestowitz: there have been outlaw zones (unpoliced) in the US for years now. I am thinking particularly of Atlanta, GAAug 05 00:25
jstoddardChips_B_Malroy: I wouldn't be caught doing anything to upset a police officer down here: Doesn't matter what's legal or not, anyone who's been accused of a crime ends up confessing after being beaten into a bloody pulp.Aug 05 00:25
schestowitzI think that was the one!Aug 05 00:25
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.financialnewsusa.com/more/35-real-estate-news/17097-foreclosure-activity-up-across-most-us-metro-areasAug 05 00:25
Chips_B_Malroyugly source (msn) for this link:  http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Banking/HomeFinancing/article.aspx?post=1787497Aug 05 00:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Commentary Index - MSN Money .::. Size~: 34.88 KBAug 05 00:26
Chips_B_MalroyRising foreclosures reverberate across economy   the bot failedAug 05 00:27
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.subprimeblogger.com/2010/08/02/arizona-california-nevada-and-florida-have-highest-foreclosure-rates-in-the-united-states-las-vegas-leads-with-6-6-filings/Aug 05 00:28
TechrightsBotTitle:   Arizona, California, Nevada and Florida Have Highest Foreclosure Rates in the United States  Las Vegas Leads with 6.6% Filings : Subprime Blogger .::. Size~: 46.54 KBAug 05 00:28
Chips_B_MalroyI live in ground zero of the foreclosure capitalAug 05 00:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US Army missile report copied wholesale from WikiPedia http://bit.ly/8XYWAEAug 05 00:29
TechrightsBotTitle: US Army intelligence report copied wholesale from Wikipedia : WikiLeaks .::. Size~: 36.8 KBAug 05 00:29
jstoddardHaha -- new meaning to the term "Open Source Intelligence"Aug 05 00:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Palin meticulously censoring her #facebook comments http://www.slate.com/id/2262544/ 'far more rigorous with her Facebook..than most'Aug 05 00:30
TechrightsBotTitle: The Facebook posts Palin doesn't want you to see. - By John Dickerson - Slate Magazine         .::. Size~: 48.63 KBAug 05 00:30
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.housingwatch.com/2010/08/02/home-ownership-drops-to-near-50-year-lows/Aug 05 00:31
TechrightsBotTitle: Homeownership Drops to Near 50-Year Lows .::. Size~: 79.87 KBAug 05 00:31
schestowitz[00:30] <jstoddard> Haha -- new meaning to the term "Open Source Intelligence"Aug 05 00:35
schestowitzFreetartelligenceAug 05 00:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Charging WikiLeaks Whistleblower with Treason would be Absurb http://bit.ly/9A4QDiAug 05 00:35
TechrightsBotTitle: Charging the WikiLeaks leaker with treason would be absurd. - By Fred Kaplan - Slate Magazine         .::. Size~: 48.21 KBAug 05 00:35
schestowitzWikipedia can claim/demand compliance from the armyAug 05 00:35
schestowitz"Give us your docs or we sue!"Aug 05 00:35
FurnaceBot:)Aug 05 00:36
schestowitzSo Manning was just like Harald WelteAug 05 00:37
schestowitzHe pursues and /enforces/ complianceAug 05 00:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @juliemiller1: bubye and good riddance, prop 8!Aug 05 00:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Responding to interview questions for OMG!UbuntuAug 05 01:01
Chips_B_Malroyit has to be depressing working for MS these days.  After reading some of the comments from Mini's site, there are hardly any that are positive about the direction of the company.Aug 05 01:02
Chips_B_MalroyAnd none that like the sweaty Monkey BoyAug 05 01:04
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jstoddard"As for Assange, U.S. government lawyers are reportedly looking into whether it might be possible to charge him with espionage."Aug 05 01:13
jstoddardIt's sort of funny -- the hypocrisy of a government charging someone with espionage.Aug 05 01:13
Chips_B_MalroyThis is rich, its from one of Mini-MSFT comments:  "I'm a PC and Microsoft layoffs was my idea!"Aug 05 01:15
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cubezzz2Mini-MSFT?Aug 05 01:45
FurnaceBotChips_B_Malroy: minimsft has been charting their decline for some yearsAug 05 02:06
FurnaceBotChips_B_Malroy: in fact its very existence is a sign of the rot :)Aug 05 02:06
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: yeaAug 05 02:06
Chips_B_MalroyagreedAug 05 02:06
FurnaceBotChips_B_Malroy: it's very hard to draw a positive vibe from it, trueAug 05 02:07
cubezzz2oh a blogAug 05 02:07
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: insider blogAug 05 02:07
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: with a SHEDLOAD Of anonymous insider kvetchingAug 05 02:07
cubezzz2critical of MIcrosoft I take it?Aug 05 02:08
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: that's an understatementAug 05 02:08
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: a lot of ex-microsoft people comment that they enjoy much better conditions anywhere else in the valley, especially googleAug 05 02:08
cubezzz2ha, their glory days are overAug 05 02:09
cubezzz2things have changed a lotAug 05 02:09
Chips_B_MalroyI have read the Mini blog for a long timeAug 05 02:09
FurnaceBotyesAug 05 02:09
FurnaceBotChips_B_Malroy: me2Aug 05 02:09
FurnaceBotChips_B_Malroy: since pre vistaAug 05 02:09
FurnaceBotheheheheheAug 05 02:09
FurnaceBotwow, that seems long ago now... forgotten... just like the oil spillAug 05 02:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Everyone Has Something To Hide: Why Privacy Is Important Even If 'You've Done Nothing Wrong' http://dlvr.it/3PhGKAug 05 02:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Everyone Has Something To Hide: Why Privacy Is Important Even If 'You've Done Nothing Wrong' | Techdirt .::. Size~: 23.87 KBAug 05 02:10
cubezzz2pre vista? I remember pre-windows :)Aug 05 02:10
FurnaceBotwell, yes, we all doAug 05 02:10
FurnaceBotbut i mean, reading that blog in the pre-vista days.Aug 05 02:10
FurnaceBotit used to be a bit more interesting, but the blogger has totally lost his bottleAug 05 02:11
FurnaceBothe just got too depressed to continue, looks likeAug 05 02:11
cubezzz2yeah Microsoft does that to a person :)Aug 05 02:11
Chips_B_MalroyThe moral at MS must be terrible to work there now.Aug 05 02:11
Chips_B_MalroyMini seldom posts anymore, just mainly around the quarter resultsAug 05 02:12
FurnaceBotthat's rightAug 05 02:12
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: yes, those comments give an idea. it's not just low morale, though.Aug 05 02:12
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: the culture sounds ultra-toxicAug 05 02:12
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: politics, jockeying, back stabbing, meaningless PKIs, rankings, .. dehumanising.Aug 05 02:13
cubezzz2toxic is how I think of themAug 05 02:13
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: the comments from isniders there will confirm your worst visions of a Warlockian cubicle HellAug 05 02:13
Chips_B_MalroyIt appears that employees basically park at MS and draw a paycheck.  And hope to get a better job someplace else like Google when the economy improves.Aug 05 02:13
cubezzz2no, no cubicle Hells please :)Aug 05 02:13
cubezzz2anything but that :)Aug 05 02:13
cubezzz2I'm in a Linux continuum thankfullyAug 05 02:14
cubezzz2even at workAug 05 02:14
cubezzz2right, right the all-important paycheck :)Aug 05 02:15
cubezzz2I think the Big M already had several exodusesAug 05 02:16
Chips_B_Malroythat is not over with yetAug 05 02:16
cubezzz2no one gives a toss about anything there except 1) Money and 2) ControlAug 05 02:17
Chips_B_Malroymore to comeAug 05 02:17
cubezzz2I'm trying to figure out if Microsoft was the first to have those tabs at the bottom of the screenAug 05 02:18
Chips_B_Malroyits bad form for a company that is making money to layoff employees around the holidays here.  So MS will have to do those before and after the Thanksgiving/Xmas seasons.Aug 05 02:18
cubezzz2like in win95, was that the first?Aug 05 02:18
cubezzz2ah Aug 05 02:19
cubezzz2well, why are they laying off people at all if they're making money?Aug 05 02:19
FurnaceBothehAug 05 02:20
FurnaceBotthey have too many people.Aug 05 02:20
FurnaceBotonly certain divisions make money.Aug 05 02:20
FurnaceBotthey don't like to talk about the ones that lose money.Aug 05 02:20
FurnaceBotand they lose bigtime,Aug 05 02:20
cubezzz2maybe I'll live to see their demise :)Aug 05 02:20
FurnaceBot i believe it won't be awfully long.Aug 05 02:20
FurnaceBoti see the stock crashing in a small number of years.Aug 05 02:21
Chips_B_Malroyif Ballmer is still at the helm, taking orders from Gates, it might fail zune.Aug 05 02:23
Chips_B_Malroy*soonAug 05 02:23
Chips_B_MalroyWP7 will be the last failure stockholders will tolerate from BallmerAug 05 02:24
cubezzz2I'd really like to see the OEMs break away from MicrosoftAug 05 02:26
cubezzz2someone new should become an OEM, difficulty though it may beAug 05 02:27
Chips_B_Malroyit might happen soon.  Xmas season if Google has the money and power to get its system on Tablets or SmartbooksAug 05 02:27
Chips_B_MalroyThe OEM's are afriad of MS, with good reason to beAug 05 02:28
cubezzz2that's the real anti-trust case, not the browser stuffAug 05 02:29
Chips_B_MalroyBut HP buying Palm, says it all.  HP is tired of products that did not have an OS on them to compete with MacAug 05 02:29
cubezzz2HP had iPaqAug 05 02:32
cubezzz2i think that's what it was calledAug 05 02:33
Chips_B_MalroyI am not sure the courts would ever overturn the MS monopoly on OEM's installsAug 05 02:33
Chips_B_Malroyunless the desktop market share changed some moreAug 05 02:33
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: iPaq ran Win of some sort.Aug 05 02:33
FurnaceBotwince?Aug 05 02:34
cubezzz2yeahAug 05 02:34
*FurnaceBot owned one, very brieflyAug 05 02:34
*FurnaceBot sold it brand new to a guy in USAug 05 02:34
*FurnaceBot only had it as an insurance settlement for a stolen NewtonAug 05 02:34
cubezzz2I'd like to get one of the better zaurusesAug 05 02:35
cubezzz2only have a SL-5500Aug 05 02:35
cubezzz2still, it's nice to haveAug 05 02:35
Chips_B_MalroyIt appears that Google is trying to weaken MS, with its products.  After all, what would you expect if someone said they would bury you.  (Ballmer)Aug 05 02:38
Chips_B_MalroyApple on the other hand is like another MS, and is a partner is some waysAug 05 02:39
cubezzz2yeah I can't blame themAug 05 02:40
FurnaceBotthe bad part is. they mean it.Aug 05 02:40
FurnaceBotthey have no scruples, nothing is beneath themAug 05 02:40
Chips_B_MalroyBut even Apple is weakening MS these days.  Aug 05 02:40
FurnaceBotMicrosoft's business model is totalitarianAug 05 02:40
cubezzz2shows you how much control they have on the market thoughAug 05 02:41
cubezzz2stores, schools, government, workplaces...Aug 05 02:41
cubezzz2BeOS should have been a successAug 05 02:42
Chips_B_MalroyLets us not forget Microsoft hatred for IBM, which is probably rooted in the fact that MS backstabbed its former mentor and business parter that gave Gates and company its start.Aug 05 02:42
cubezzz2normally they would haveAug 05 02:42
cubezzz2they worked together on OS/2 thoughAug 05 02:43
cubezzz2up until... i forgot :)Aug 05 02:43
Chips_B_MalroyGates and Ballmer feel in love with their lock-in in products and killing the competition by destroying companies.  So much so they forgot their custermers.Aug 05 02:44
Chips_B_Malroy1994Aug 05 02:44
Chips_B_MalroyI thinkAug 05 02:44
Chips_B_Malroyor was it 93Aug 05 02:45
cubezzz2I guess you have to look at Stallman and the GPL, it really was the start of turning things aroundAug 05 02:45
cubezzz2IBM sort of messed up on OS/2 thoughAug 05 02:45
cubezzz2but they seem pretty serious about Linux nowAug 05 02:46
cubezzz2"The collaboration between IBM and Microsoft unraveled in 1990, between the releases of Windows 3.0 and OS/2 1.3"Aug 05 02:46
Chips_B_MalroyThe lock-in and anticompetitive destruction of the competition, caused MS to sit on it behind and to not improve its core products in a big way.  Aug 05 02:46
cubezzz2"Much of its success was because Windows 3.0 (along with MS-DOS) was bundled with most new computers.[11] OS/2, on the other hand, was only available as an expensive stand-alone software package."Aug 05 02:47
cubezzz2it's the bundling that got them the big successesAug 05 02:47
cubezzz2it's actually worse nowAug 05 02:48
Chips_B_MalroyIn fact, MS only marginally ever improved the next release of windows, as increments.  That way they would have sometime to sell in the next windows.Aug 05 02:48
cubezzz2before you could have bought an Atari ST or an Amiga and no Microsoft OS was neededAug 05 02:48
Chips_B_MalroyWhich is why the malware problem was mostly ignoredAug 05 02:48
cubezzz2here's your new even slower OS, oh I guess you need go to the store and buy a new computerAug 05 02:49
cubezzz2endless cycleAug 05 02:49
Chips_B_MalroyThis I believe, ignoring the malware problem of Windows, was Microsoft undoing.Aug 05 02:49
Chips_B_MalroyPeople are not generally moving to other OS because it cool.  (Mac)Aug 05 02:50
Chips_B_MalroyOr even to Linux because it Free both as in Beer, and Freedom.  Aug 05 02:50
cubezzz2I moved to Linux because it was FOSSAug 05 02:51
cubezzz2which I thought was 'cool' :)Aug 05 02:51
Chips_B_Malroysome doAug 05 02:51
Chips_B_Malroybut I think you and I are exceptionsAug 05 02:51
Chips_B_MalroyMost people move because Windows has problems and is too expensive.Aug 05 02:51
Chips_B_MalroyThe Dark Side.Aug 05 02:52
cubezzz2well I never liked it, and I used every version :)Aug 05 02:52
Chips_B_MalroyThe Dark Side is very powerful.  Just watch Star Wars, and you will know.Aug 05 02:52
cubezzz2so I'm totally certain :)Aug 05 02:52
Chips_B_MalroyAnd MS, has a Dark Side, that they really don't want people to know about.  That is why they employ Shills.  To hide, distort, lie about what they do.Aug 05 02:54
Chips_B_MalroyAn extremely dishonest, unethical, low down, greedy, 2bit company.Aug 05 02:55
Chips_B_MalroyExposed what they do is very important.  Look at the soundbyte political advertisements on TV these days.  They are all negative, not about what they will do if elected, but what their opponents have done wrong.  Aug 05 02:57
FurnaceBot+1Aug 05 02:58
Chips_B_MalroyBecause they know its generally more effective.Aug 05 02:58
FurnaceBotyou are quite right.Aug 05 02:58
FurnaceBoti find the dark soul of microsoft revealed very clearly in what Gates has said in depositions.Aug 05 02:58
FurnaceBotit lays bare the whole personality, character, DNA of the company.Aug 05 02:58
Chips_B_MalroyWindows users have to have a reason to switch,  They have to be reminded why Windows sucks so badly.Aug 05 02:58
FurnaceBotthey're in a ghetto and they don't know it.Aug 05 02:59
FurnaceBotthey think their normal is 'normal'.Aug 05 02:59
FurnaceBotthe tyranny of low expectations.Aug 05 02:59
cubezzz2it's slowAug 05 02:59
cubezzz2you can't run old windows on old hardwareAug 05 02:59
Chips_B_MalroyIf all you ever used is Windows, then you think its normal to virus scan every week.Aug 05 02:59
FurnaceBotright.Aug 05 02:59
cubezzz2hehAug 05 02:59
FurnaceBotand reinstall every few months.Aug 05 02:59
FurnaceBotand reboot.Aug 05 02:59
cubezzz2got to keep that cpu nice and warm :)Aug 05 02:59
Chips_B_MalroyexactlyAug 05 02:59
Chips_B_MalroyThey will belive that Linux is too hard for them. (shills)  If we do not take the message to them, and tell them there is a better, freer way.Aug 05 03:00
cubezzz2I'd almost forgotten virus scans, it's been a while :)Aug 05 03:01
Chips_B_MalroyHave about Defrag?Aug 05 03:01
Chips_B_Malroydid you forget that too?Aug 05 03:01
cubezzz2mostly :)Aug 05 03:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Science Channel hijacked by creationists on Through The Wormhole w Morgan Freeman. Next episode "Is there a creator?" Ludicrous!Aug 05 03:02
FurnaceBotChips_B_Malroy: good point.Aug 05 03:03
FurnaceBotChips_B_Malroy: never defragged a machine in 25 years, won't start now.Aug 05 03:03
cubezzz2ok, watch me do a trick dozers can't do.... wait for it...Aug 05 03:03
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: anything?Aug 05 03:03
Chips_B_MalroyI was told that Cyberdefender (badware) is hard to remove in Windows Seven, where it can be removed easy in XP.  Anyone know about this?Aug 05 03:03
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cube486tada!Aug 05 03:03
FurnaceBotcube486: do you own a Cube, btw?Aug 05 03:03
cubezzz2hundredsAug 05 03:03
cube486or do you mean nextcube?Aug 05 03:04
cube486do a ctcp on me :)Aug 05 03:04
Chips_B_Malroythe 486 lives again!Aug 05 03:04
cube486I don't even have an ethernet card in this box :)Aug 05 03:04
Chips_B_Malroysamba?Aug 05 03:04
Chips_B_MalroynoAug 05 03:05
cube486%R 486 rules %RAug 05 03:05
Chips_B_Malroyoh, I seeAug 05 03:05
cube486hmm, didn't work :)Aug 05 03:05
cube486no, plipAug 05 03:05
cube486internet via parallel port Aug 05 03:05
Chips_B_Malroylike laplink on doseAug 05 03:06
cube486with tcp/ip thoughAug 05 03:06
Chips_B_MalroyyesAug 05 03:06
Chips_B_Malroymore than just file transferAug 05 03:06
cube486fast enough for IRC anywaysAug 05 03:07
Chips_B_MalroyI wish magicjack would get its linux drivers outAug 05 03:08
Chips_B_Malroythats what stops me from getting oneAug 05 03:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "#OpenDoc still works in #MacOS 9.2.2 under Panther on the #PowerPC" #apple http://bit.ly/cQdow7Aug 05 03:18
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DaemonFCwell, that works well enoughAug 05 03:21
DaemonFC:PAug 05 03:21
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Suggest me some coolest server names? Currently my personal computer's name is "gnubox".Aug 05 03:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] I don't understand why the proponents of prop 8 wasted their time to start prop 8 to begin with. What a waste of resourcesAug 05 03:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: CIA Software Developer Goes Open Source, Instead - http://bit.ly/dlnEd8Aug 05 03:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] CBC Afgan War Diary search http://bit.ly/cGwnAbAug 05 03:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Hundreds of hidden protest fatalities in Afghan War Diary http://bit.ly/97HFWeAug 05 04:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Afghan War Diary: Child amputees http://bit.ly/cUmMgpAug 05 04:11
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DaemonFC"Judge says the same-sex marriage ban was rooted in 'moral disapproval' and violates constitutional rights to equal protection and due process. Opponents vow to appeal all the way to the Supreme Court."Aug 05 04:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @omgubuntu: OMG! Interviews: Jono Bacon http://goo.gl/fb/uD8kV #ubuntuAug 05 04:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon http://bit.ly/9ugA5k - You have the floor. :) Cheers.Aug 05 05:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Connecting Authors To Tangible Goods They Can Sell? http://dlvr.it/3Q0DmAug 05 05:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In one week I record the second Severed Album live on the Internet - tune in! http://is.gd/e3uqD #severedfifthAug 05 05:28
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cubezzz2old but an interesting read:Aug 05 05:37
cubezzz2http://marc.merlins.org/linux/refundday/Aug 05 05:37
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DaemonFCcubezzz2, I may never have to blow my nose againAug 05 06:11
DaemonFC:PAug 05 06:11
DaemonFCadvice: don't eat Kim ChiAug 05 06:11
DaemonFCit tastes better before the sinus pain and nasal drainageAug 05 06:12
ender2070pussyAug 05 06:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MT @etorreborre An old timer take on #NoSQL: http://bit.ly/ cT74sX "For me, there is only one best practice: think." #sqlAug 05 06:19
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FurnaceBotugh, i broke that link.Aug 05 06:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Salesforce.com pays #patent royalties for using #Linux. Yet another #fail for the Open Invention Network ( http://bit.ly/aC1tL2 )Aug 05 06:40
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MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/cxgvw/why_does_steve_jobs_always_wear_turtlenecks/Aug 05 06:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MT @etorreborre An old timer take on #NoSQL: http://bit.ly/cT74sX "For me, there is only one best practice: think." #sqlAug 05 06:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I bet 92% of people who make their @twitter accounts private do not know that it prevents re-tweeting.Aug 05 06:44
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DaemonFCIE 9 Preview 4 is outAug 05 06:50
DaemonFCapparently it scores 95/100 on ACID 3 nowAug 05 06:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @daemonfc I watched those. It's not very creationistAug 05 06:56
DaemonFCschestowitz, If the Supreme Court upholds the ruling, I'm going to get married in AlabamaAug 05 06:58
DaemonFCjust to piss them offAug 05 06:58
DaemonFCB-)Aug 05 06:58
schestowitzJabba is not 18 yetAug 05 06:59
DaemonFCfunnyAug 05 06:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Salesforce.com apparently pays #patent royalties for using #Linux. Yet another #fail for the Open Invention Network ( http://bit.ly/aC1tL2 )Aug 05 07:01
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DaemonFC"If web sites check for feature compliance rather than browser type, IE 9 will run the same code as Google Chrome and other standards-based browsers, albeit it often at dramatically faster speeds." Paul ThurrottAug 05 07:03
DaemonFCso he claims to know where other browsers will be next yearAug 05 07:03
DaemonFCand claims that they can't hook into hardware acceleration, even though Opera already can, and doesAug 05 07:04
DaemonFCand Firefox has that feature in experimental statusAug 05 07:04
DaemonFCand he's assuming that sites will stop browser sniffing and companies will rewrite their entire websites at great expense rather than stick a tag on it telling IE to run it in IE6/7 modeAug 05 07:05
DaemonFCat the same speeds it renders at nowAug 05 07:05
DaemonFC:PAug 05 07:05
DaemonFCthat's awfully optimisticAug 05 07:05
DaemonFCand even if all of that does come to fruition, the user still has to go find DirectShow codecs to play standard formats like WebMAug 05 07:06
DaemonFCand still has no access to ad blocking extensionsAug 05 07:06
MinceRand still has to run winblowsAug 05 07:06
DaemonFCand the browser still has a rather horrifying and obscene level of access to the OSAug 05 07:06
MinceRand still will be subject to a lot of vulnerabilities because the monkeys at m$ still haven't learned to design and write programsAug 05 07:07
DaemonFCMinceR, Pro tip, avoid memcpy, in fact, just write everything in C# so our fine security system can protect your applicationAug 05 07:08
DaemonFCtrust usAug 05 07:08
DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/microsoft_banishes_memcpy/Aug 05 07:09
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cubezzz2so what is IE written in? :)Aug 05 07:09
DaemonFCC++Aug 05 07:09
DaemonFCsame as WindowsAug 05 07:09
DaemonFCthe leaked IE source code was mostly C++ anywayAug 05 07:10
DaemonFCthat leaked from IE versions 4 and 5Aug 05 07:10
cubezzz2how about windows 1.0?Aug 05 07:10
cubezzz2was that C++?Aug 05 07:11
DaemonFCdunnoAug 05 07:11
DaemonFCQBasicAug 05 07:11
DaemonFCwhy notAug 05 07:11
DaemonFChttp://download.microsoft.com/download/win95upg/tool_s/1.0/w95/en-us/olddos.exeAug 05 07:13
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DaemonFC:)Aug 05 07:13
DaemonFCold MS-DOS utilities from the Windows 95 CD-ROMAug 05 07:13
cubezzz2Pascal says this one page... Aug 05 07:13
DaemonFCthose will probably work in FreeDOSAug 05 07:14
cubezzz2impossible for me to verify Aug 05 07:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] One of the worst ads I have ever seen - http://is.gd/e3CEwAug 05 07:14
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cubezzz2what's in it?Aug 05 07:15
DaemonFCwell, qbasic for oneAug 05 07:15
DaemonFC:DAug 05 07:15
schestowitzhttp://lwn.net/Articles/398443/Aug 05 07:17
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cubezzz2interesting, widows 3.0 could run on a 8086Aug 05 07:22
cubezzz2windowsAug 05 07:22
schestowitzWidowsAug 05 07:26
schestowitzWill kill your husband, then give you a BSoDAug 05 07:26
cubezzz2now I can't wait to get a 8086 :)Aug 05 07:27
cubezzz2wait, actually I canAug 05 07:27
schestowitzhttp://www.marketintellisearch.com/articles/1035824.htmlAug 05 07:28
TechrightsBotTitle: Shares of Novell Inc. (NOVL) May Continue to Rise .::. Size~: 15.57 KBAug 05 07:28
schestowitzNovell has NO newsAug 05 07:28
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schestowitzSeriously, nothing in the news about themAug 05 07:28
schestowitzIt means they are busyAug 05 07:28
schestowitzNegotating saleAug 05 07:28
cubezzz2no news is good news?Aug 05 07:28
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schestowitzcubezzz2: yeahAug 05 07:28
schestowitzLess for me to trackAug 05 07:28
cubezzz2you scared r2d2 awayAug 05 07:28
schestowitzI stopped doing Novell weekly newsAug 05 07:28
schestowitzIn a way, Boycott Novell wonAug 05 07:29
cubezzz2w00tAug 05 07:29
schestowitzNovelll never quite took off in LinuxAug 05 07:29
schestowitzAnd they are rightly perceived as the danger they areAug 05 07:29
MinceR081438 < cubezzz2> interesting, widows 3.0 could run on a 8086Aug 05 07:29
MinceRand vista can run on a core 2 duoAug 05 07:29
schestowitzXandros, Linspire, and Turbolinux are also flattenedAug 05 07:29
MinceRand make it look like a 8086!Aug 05 07:29
schestowitzAnd these 4 are the only ones that sold outAug 05 07:29
schestowitzin 06-07Aug 05 07:30
cubezzz2hehAug 05 07:30
schestowitzApple and Microsoft are tougher nuts to crackAug 05 07:30
schestowitzGroklaw shattered SCOAug 05 07:30
cubezzz2when I think Linux i usually think Red Hat, or SlackAug 05 07:30
cubezzz2but there's so many distros nowAug 05 07:31
cubezzz2well I stopped using Microsoft Aug 05 07:32
cubezzz2quite a while backAug 05 07:32
schestowitzA lot of financial sites now are auto-generated. http://www.cnanalyst.com/2010/08/top-10-bestperforming-software-stocks-yeartodate-spns-gsb-ttil-open-lava-sy-neng-novl-logm-tibx-aug-.html They pick up some numeric value, add templatesAug 05 07:33
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schestowitzcubezzz2: and companies tooAug 05 07:33
schestowitzNokia/MeeGo, ChromeOS...Aug 05 07:33
cubezzz2I mean went you really think about it there's nothing good about windowsAug 05 07:33
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/16544/opensuse_11_3_the_linux_distribution_for_kde_loversAug 05 07:34
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cubezzz2my experience with it is very negativeAug 05 07:34
DaemonFCOpenSuse is good overallAug 05 07:34
schestowitzUse a firewallAug 05 07:34
DaemonFCI ran into some problems with WineAug 05 07:34
schestowitzcubezzz2: just block Windows, it won't bother youAug 05 07:34
ender2070thats because windows vista requires 800mhzAug 05 07:34
ender2070512mb ramAug 05 07:34
ender2070neither of which you haveAug 05 07:34
DaemonFChas anyone here attempted to run Sid on a day to day system?Aug 05 07:35
ender2070microsoft security essentials beta with ids is all you needAug 05 07:35
schestowitzPardus is the ideal distro for Jabba. PiSi PiSi PiSi...Aug 05 07:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I've been very impressed with Ghost BSD. Feature shortly on Openbytes. www.openbytes.wordpress.comAug 05 07:36
ender2070for the enterprise you'd simply have active directory, roaming profiles and folder redirectionAug 05 07:37
ender2070you scan once from the serverAug 05 07:37
ender2070bamAug 05 07:37
ender2070buy windowsAug 05 07:37
schestowitz roaming profiles  -> slownessAug 05 07:38
schestowitzhttp://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1008/S00146/notable-lease-completed-for-high-profile-office.htmAug 05 07:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Notable lease completed for high-profile office | Scoop News .::. Size~: 59.96 KBAug 05 07:39
schestowitzHm... I wonder if Novell is ledged thereAug 05 07:39
schestowitz*odgedAug 05 07:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Me and the touch keyboard on the Desire are about to fall out. Great phone, spoiled for me slightly by a touch keyboardAug 05 07:40
MinceRphysical keyboards ftwAug 05 07:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I can't believe it's August. It has been so cold here since June... hardly, any sun either. Russia and the US get all the heat #needvacationAug 05 07:43
ender2070[02:30] <schestowitz>  roaming profiles  -> slownessAug 05 07:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch Google not release the source code to #WaveAug 05 07:44
ender2070if you're a noob and don't configure them correctlyAug 05 07:44
ender2070you need to filter out peoples movie filesAug 05 07:44
schestowitzNo filmsAug 05 07:44
schestowitzI saw one person use itAug 05 07:44
schestowitzUnneeded complicationAug 05 07:44
ender2070complication?Aug 05 07:45
ender2070i learned it in 5 minutesAug 05 07:45
ender2070LOLAug 05 07:45
schestowitzWith Linux you can also mount hmedir from USBAug 05 07:45
schestowitz*somedirAug 05 07:45
schestowitz*homedirAug 05 07:45
schestowitzender2070: Microsoft indocrinationAug 05 07:45
ender2070can you force users to use certain backgrounds and themes using group policies?Aug 05 07:45
ender2070disable and force screen saver settings?Aug 05 07:45
schestowitzYou needn'tAug 05 07:46
schestowitzWhy impose those things on peopleAug 05 07:46
schestowitzLet people have /some/ freedom in their livesAug 05 07:46
ender2070what if your company has a green policy which requires setting screensaver intervals to 2 minutes of idle useAug 05 07:46
schestowitzIt's like asking about forcing DRM in VistaAug 05 07:46
ender2070are you going to tell the users to figure out screensaver settings?Aug 05 07:47
ender2070or enforce it on all the workstations in the domain?Aug 05 07:47
schestowitzIf a company cannot discipline its worker, it can rehireAug 05 07:47
ender2070its much easier to just use a domain and the group policies inherited by its clientsAug 05 07:47
schestowitzPossible to change many homedirs in parallelAug 05 07:47
ender2070well you can get active directory on linux tooAug 05 07:48
ender2070calculate linux has a distro for itAug 05 07:49
ender2070http://www.calculate-linux.org/main/en/cdsAug 05 07:49
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/04/limo_linux/Aug 05 07:50
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schestowitzPoor ACCESSAug 05 07:50
schestowitzNow orphanedAug 05 07:50
ender2070lolAug 05 07:51
ender2070i got a copy of server 2008 r2Aug 05 07:52
ender2070fully licensed for home use, non productionAug 05 07:52
ender2070this microsoft bs in school is so easyAug 05 07:53
MinceR083845 < ender2070> what if your company has a green policy which requires setting screensaver intervals to 2 minutes of idle useAug 05 07:53
MinceRlolAug 05 07:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is Linux Really Harder to Use? http://ur1.ca/10923 Yes, _to Windows users_. Adaptation to change is a realityAug 05 07:53
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schestowitzhttp://abcnews.go.com/Business/superman-comic-saves-familys-home/story?id=11306997&page=2Aug 05 07:53
TechrightsBotTitle: First Superman Comic Saves Family's Home - ABC News .::. Size~: 71.44 KBAug 05 07:53
MinceRannoying workers is the sure-fire way to increase profits!Aug 05 07:53
schestowitzSuperman is deadAug 05 07:53
schestowitzHis successor speaks Chinese :-)Aug 05 07:53
MinceRsuperman is a dickAug 05 07:53
MinceRhttp://superdickery.com/Aug 05 07:54
schestowitzsuperman is in a wheel chairAug 05 07:54
schestowitzANd diedAug 05 07:54
MinceRno, that's Christopher Reeve, not SupermanAug 05 07:54
ender2070i guess eating fetuses didn't save himAug 05 07:55
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_ReeveAug 05 07:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Christopher Reeve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 148.36 KBAug 05 07:56
MinceRwhat's the opposite of Christopher Reeve?Aug 05 07:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I just ousted @fionaleung as the mayor of Mill Hill Broadway Station on @foursquare! http://4sq.com/aeP9bWAug 05 07:56
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MinceRChristopher Walken.Aug 05 07:56
schestowitz"Reeve became a quadriplegic after being thrown from a horse in an equestrian competition in Virginia. "Aug 05 07:56
schestowitzWhy on a horse in the first place?Aug 05 07:56
schestowitzI guess it's true when Nutt saidAug 05 07:56
schestowitzHorse riding is more dangerous than some hard drugsAug 05 07:56
schestowitzender2070: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/080410-it-jobs-market-expands-despite.html?hpg1=bnAug 05 07:57
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ender2070LOL http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=831&cpage=1#comment-857Aug 05 07:58
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MinceRhttp://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=28&Itemid=45&limitstart=8Aug 05 07:58
ender2070after i get A+ and Network+ I can get a discount on Linux+Aug 05 07:59
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ender2070Linux+ gets me LPI which gets me Novell Certified Linux ProfessionalAug 05 07:59
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com.au/linux-and-google-double-team-339304986.htmAug 05 08:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Linux and Google double team - The Take .::. Size~: 90.15 KBAug 05 08:00
DaemonFCstupid FlashAug 05 08:01
DaemonFC#$#%*&@*$&*&*@&%$*@& FLASH!!!!Aug 05 08:01
DaemonFC:PAug 05 08:01
schestowitzMinceR: wha a bizarre siteAug 05 08:01
schestowitzThey make superman seem more queer than DaemonFC :-p :-pAug 05 08:02
ender2070I read about that alreadyAug 05 08:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: use gnashAug 05 08:02
ender2070its awesomeAug 05 08:02
schestowitzIn Debian it's easyAug 05 08:02
DaemonFCI'm the queerest queer in Queerville honeyAug 05 08:02
ender2070distributes network load over cpu's and coresAug 05 08:02
DaemonFCand one more operation, I'll be more woman than you can handle!Aug 05 08:02
DaemonFC:PAug 05 08:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: hey, doncha call /ME/ honey!Aug 05 08:02
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ender2070giving you multi queue power for freeAug 05 08:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz]  Not Having #Linux Skills is IT Malpractice http://ur1.ca/1094y demand for Linux stills is high at the momentAug 05 08:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Some Simple Concepts For Better Engaging With Fans At Shows http://dlvr.it/3QF20Aug 05 08:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Some Simple Concepts For Better Engaging With Fans At Shows | Techdirt .::. Size~: 23.1 KBAug 05 08:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 11 Free Linux Apps Your Business Needs Now http://ur1.ca/10967 Good to see IDG adding Linux contentAug 05 08:05
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schestowitzhttp://www.itworld.com/open-source/116064/is-linux-really-harder-use "http://ur1.ca/10923 would be a great article about !GNU's ease of use, if it didn't mispell it as Linux (via @schestowitz)"Aug 05 08:12
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TechrightsBotTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request .::. Size~: 0 KBAug 05 08:13
schestowitz /stills/still/Aug 05 08:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amadeus systems to sit on Linux by 2012 http://ur1.ca/1098b They all do eventually #gnu #linuxAug 05 08:13
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GlennBeck knows child pornography when he sees it http://ur1.ca/1099nAug 05 08:17
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schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/business/economy/04leonhardt.html?partner=rss&emc=rssAug 05 08:18
TechrightsBotTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.16 KBAug 05 08:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gov't OKs $600M in housing aid for 5 states http://ur1.ca/109ad People supported for a change, not Wall StreetAug 05 08:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] [Trick] Catch Invisible Friends On GTalk The Python Way http://post.ly/qJjRAug 05 08:33
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XqBLDDrU4&feature=popularAug 05 08:38
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DaemonFCMicrosoft sends you to Mobile Hotmail if you're using a Firefox 4 nightlyAug 05 08:42
schestowitzHehAug 05 08:42
schestowitzPeople use Hotmail?Aug 05 08:43
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: I dont think hotmail existsAug 05 08:52
Diablo-D3Ive never met anyone who uses itAug 05 08:52
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schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/syCfy/Aug 05 08:56
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cubezzz2http://blogs.computerworld.com/16659/opensolaris_child_illumos_goes_forward_without_oracleAug 05 08:56
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schestowitzFeynman goes insane http://tinyogg.com/watch/uDU4y/Aug 05 08:58
TechrightsBotTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Richard Feynman playing bongos .::. Size~: 5.23 KBAug 05 08:58
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I wish the Illumos guys luck http://illumos.org/Aug 05 09:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 5/8/2010: Amadeus Systems Moving to GNU/Linux, Intel Can’t Use Threats Anymore http://techrights.org/2010/08/05/amadeus-systems/Aug 05 09:08
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schestowitzon wave dying "That will be because they will possibly integrate it into #GoogleMe. (Buzz too I'll wager)" http://twitter.com/Arcticmatt/statuses/20368389534Aug 05 09:34
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter / Matthew P.E. Forrest: @schestowitz That will be  ... .::. Size~: 8.82 KBAug 05 09:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Umberto Eco's home library. It's about what you'd imagine. http://is.gd/e3OccAug 05 09:37
TechrightsBotTitle: Intervista a Umberto Eco per WMI « Questo blog non esiste .::. Size~: 59.93 KBAug 05 09:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Extorts Salesforce: #Salesforce to Make Sales, Microsoft to Make the Money http://ur1.ca/10a0k #swpatsAug 05 09:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is Google About to Sell the Internet Down the River? - http://bit.ly/auib83 certainly looks that way #netneutrality #google #shameAug 05 09:52
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MinceRr4wrAug 05 09:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Front Group Association for Competitive Technology is Still Deceiving US Government Regarding Patents http://ur1.ca/10a47 #swpatsAug 05 10:00
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DaemonFClooks like RPM Fusion now has a Catalyst package for Fedora 13Aug 05 10:10
DaemonFCI guess it probably takes care of blacklisting "radeon" and disabling KMS for youAug 05 10:14
DaemonFCthat's the only things I noted that stop the vanilla ATI installer from actually succeedingAug 05 10:15
DaemonFCalso what's interesting is that both ATI and Nvidia overwrite Mesa files for no apparent reasonAug 05 10:15
DaemonFCbut if you ever remove their driver, your system is now broken until you reinstall MesaAug 05 10:16
DaemonFCdistro packages don't tend to let that happen :)Aug 05 10:16
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DaemonFCcubezzz2, does Fedora have libvorbis 1.3.1?Aug 05 10:21
DaemonFCor do you know?Aug 05 10:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Downgraded, Attach Rates for Office 2010 Said to be Declining and Windows Increasingly Rejected http://ur1.ca/10abmAug 05 10:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Music On the Voyager Golden Record - http://bit.ly/cJGTP7 a playlist of music from around the world that is out of this world #spotifyAug 05 10:22
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oiaohmFedora 13 DaemonFCAug 05 10:23
oiaohmFedora 13 in answer to does fedora have libvorbis 1.3.1 DaemonFCAug 05 10:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] China fund raises finance to match Liverpool asking price - http://bit.ly/d7E4Rn you want symbolism of the Middle Kingdom's New Order?Aug 05 10:25
TechrightsBotTitle:  China fund raises finance to match Liverpool asking price | Sport | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 97.79 KBAug 05 10:25
oiaohmThe funny thing about android is how the clone phone makers are now getting in the mainstream phone production.Aug 05 10:25
oiaohmWe are having blackberry look alike androids turning up here.Aug 05 10:26
oiaohmIs it me or the number of Linux user bating articials are down?  Aug 05 10:33
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schestowitzoiaohm: yes, *well* downAug 05 10:43
schestowitzIn 2007 I saw anti-Linux articles several times a dayAug 05 10:43
schestowitzNow I see just a few in a weekAug 05 10:43
oiaohmI am also seeing more pro Linux articals.Aug 05 10:48
oiaohmThe tides seam to be turning.Aug 05 10:48
schestowitzDepends what LinuxAug 05 10:54
schestowitzAndroid for exampleAug 05 10:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Making Money for Increasing #Microsoft Threat to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/10apo #mono #novell #bansheeAug 05 10:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] domestic and foreign lobbies tutoring Indian judiciary on how to resolve patent disputes - http://bit.ly/9iqo3L shameless (via @GMWatch)Aug 05 11:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Eric Schmidt: Every 2 Days We Create As Much Information As We Did Up To 2003 - http://tcrn.ch/d8FJZc "real issue is user-generated content”Aug 05 11:09
TechrightsBotTitle:   Eric Schmidt: Every 2 Days We Create As Much Information As We Did Up To 2003  .::. Size~: 69.34 KBAug 05 11:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Google, Verizon Compromise On Net Neutrality http://dlvr.it/3QXDBAug 05 11:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google eliminates #Groupwise contracts and also pulls the plug on Wave, which leave #Novell in an awkward position http://ur1.ca/10az2Aug 05 11:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell Screwed by Its Former CEO | Techrights .::. Size~: 83.13 KBAug 05 11:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] 6 wks ago I predicted Salesforce defeat http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/06/who-lost-bilski-vs-kappos-besides.html#salesforce #patentAug 05 11:24
TechrightsBotTitle: FOSS Patents: Who lost Bilski vs. Kappos besides Bilski & Warsaw? Ten answers .::. Size~: 66.62 KBAug 05 11:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Prior aRt and Software Patents - http://bit.ly/9eGWfi I'm surprised to see Mozilla doing this - but v. pleased #swpats #priorartAug 05 11:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Thanks @schestowitz for raising: Now with #failwave, where's Novell Pulse heading? http://www.novell.com/products/pulse/Aug 05 11:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] As #Novell Looks for Buyers #SUSE is Almost Silent http://ur1.ca/10bmw #ballnux #canonical #finance #redhatAug 05 12:01
TechrightsBotTitle: As Novell Looks for Buyers SUSE is Almost Silent | Techrights .::. Size~: 85.85 KBAug 05 12:01
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/45128972 "Thanks  @schestowitz for raising: Now with #failwave, where's Novell Pulse heading? http://www.novell.com/products/pulse/"Aug 05 12:06
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schestowitzSame as where Wave is headingAug 05 12:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer Same as where Wave is headingAug 05 12:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] British #Windows Users Specifically Targeted by Botmasters http://techrights.org/2010/08/05/preying-on-uk-windows-pc/Aug 05 12:12
TechrightsBotTitle: British Windows Users Specifically Targeted by Botmasters | Techrights .::. Size~: 82.03 KBAug 05 12:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Eric Schmidt on "...Create As Much Information.. 2003" - http://tcrn.ch/d8FJZc >Google said it only organises info back thenAug 05 12:18
TechrightsBotTitle:   Eric Schmidt: Every 2 Days We Create As Much Information As We Did Up To 2003  .::. Size~: 72.82 KBAug 05 12:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody very old news re Mozilla and #swpatsAug 05 12:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Can I remove the branding of a software which is licensed under 'GNU Affero General Public License'?" http://ur1.ca/10buyAug 05 12:21
TechrightsBotTitle:       Can I remove the branding of a software which is licensed under 'GNU Affero General Public License'?     .::. Size~: 22.5 KBAug 05 12:21
schestowitz*LOL* http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/category/chris-pirillo-is-a-douche/Aug 05 12:21
TechrightsBotTitle: Chris Pirillo is a douche « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 35.9 KBAug 05 12:21
schestowitzCategory nameAug 05 12:21
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DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Fedora_RemixAug 05 12:33
TechrightsBotTitle: Russian Fedora Remix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 45.04 KBAug 05 12:33
DaemonFCIn Soviet Russia, Fedora remixes you!Aug 05 12:33
DaemonFCschestowitz, He sent a copyright infringement notice to Youtube to get that video taken downAug 05 12:35
DaemonFCwhere he was advertising his bux.to scam referral linkAug 05 12:35
DaemonFCHe spammed the link out and watched his click pennies pile up until he had like a few hundred dollars and then tried to cash it out and never got paidAug 05 12:36
DaemonFCthough he did infect a few hundred of his "followers" with the malware the site was distributingAug 05 12:36
DaemonFCmust be embarassing to have that in YOutube's memoryAug 05 12:36
DaemonFC:PAug 05 12:36
schestowitzYouTube has no memoryAug 05 12:38
schestowitzIn Soviet Russia, user spies on YouTubeAug 05 12:38
Diablo-D3waitAug 05 12:38
Diablo-D3[07:13:50] <schestowitz> *LOL* http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/category/chris-pirillo-is-a-douche/Aug 05 12:38
TechrightsBotTitle: Chris Pirillo is a douche « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 35.9 KBAug 05 12:38
Diablo-D3I knew this A BAZILLION YEARS AGOAug 05 12:38
schestowitzHe commented in Techrights a few timeAug 05 12:38
schestowitz*mesAug 05 12:38
Diablo-D3hes a fucking total moronAug 05 12:38
schestowitzNgativelyAug 05 12:38
schestowitz"maaa precious [Microsoft]"Aug 05 12:39
Diablo-D3btwAug 05 12:39
Diablo-D3hes not a microsoft faggotAug 05 12:39
DaemonFCPirillo is a shill for anyone who pays him or sends him some freebiesAug 05 12:39
Diablo-D3he shills for anyone given the right priceAug 05 12:39
schestowitzZombu?Aug 05 12:40
schestowitzZonbu>?Aug 05 12:40
DaemonFCI remember Microsoft sending him a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate and a Windows Vista baseball capAug 05 12:40
DaemonFCand he made an hour long video about how much he loved VistaAug 05 12:40
schestowitzVista baseball cap........ he'll NEED a capAug 05 12:40
schestowitzANd a Vista cup http://valleywag.com/assets/resources/2007/02/pirillo-alaska-gallery.jpg [NSFW]Aug 05 12:40
Diablo-D3mehAug 05 12:41
Diablo-D3ARGHAug 05 12:41
Diablo-D3NO ONE NEEDED TO SEE THATAug 05 12:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: so who bribed him to mock Vista later?Aug 05 12:41
DaemonFCAppleAug 05 12:42
schestowitzDiablo-D3: there's nothing to seeAug 05 12:42
schestowitz[Even if he took his hands away]Aug 05 12:42
DaemonFCthe last time I saw him using Linux is was a Sabayon Live DVDAug 05 12:43
schestowitzDaemonFC: did they?Aug 05 12:43
Diablo-D3dohohohoAug 05 12:43
Diablo-D3schestowitz: now thats my kind of humorAug 05 12:43
schestowitzDid Apple smooch him?Aug 05 12:43
DaemonFCWhere do you think all those Macs came from?Aug 05 12:43
schestowitzAhhhhhhh......Aug 05 12:43
schestowitzBut do you hve evidence?Aug 05 12:43
schestowitzANd where is the one about Vista?Aug 05 12:43
schestowitzThey didn't send him laptops AFAIKAug 05 12:43
schestowitzhttp://www.abend.org/article.php/20100729102325655Aug 05 12:44
DaemonFCaccording to him it was te hatAug 05 12:44
TechrightsBotTitle: abeNd.org - Accelerate to GroupWise 8 – you could win an iPad .::. Size~: 23.14 KBAug 05 12:44
schestowitz*LOL* Aug 05 12:44
DaemonFCand the boxed copy of Vista UltimateAug 05 12:44
Diablo-D3ooohAug 05 12:45
Diablo-D3ooohAug 05 12:45
*Diablo-D3 tries to win an ipadAug 05 12:45
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_VO1LjuAAgAug 05 12:45
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Chris Pirillo Hannah Montana Linux Distro,&lrm; .::. Size~: 83.7 KBAug 05 12:45
Diablo-D3Company: The Anti-Microsoft League, LLCAug 05 12:46
*Diablo-D3 snortsAug 05 12:46
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tNuYfbEa4gAug 05 12:46
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Zonbu Linux,&lrm; .::. Size~: 103.07 KBAug 05 12:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] 'Linux tax' troll post http://slashdot.org/submission/1300048/Aug 05 12:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot Submission | Salesforce Seems to Pay Patent Royalties for Linux .::. Size~: 44.01 KBAug 05 12:46
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MinceRzombu?Aug 05 12:47
MinceRbraaaaaaaaaaaaaaainsAug 05 12:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz is it? I only just came across that post...Aug 05 12:48
DaemonFCschestowitz, Zonbu uses ksplice I've heardAug 05 12:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Conceptual Framework for Online Identity Roles - http://bit.ly/9it4g9 interesting formulation #online #ideasAug 05 12:52
TechrightsBotTitle: Conceptual Framework for Online Identity Roles  « emergent by design .::. Size~: 84.4 KBAug 05 12:52
DaemonFCso you usually don't have to reboot even for kernel patchesAug 05 12:52
MinceRdo they get service from Ksplice or do they do their own?Aug 05 12:53
DaemonFCnot sureAug 05 12:53
MinceRif the former, is it gratis?Aug 05 12:53
MinceRor anywayAug 05 12:53
DaemonFCnot sure :PAug 05 12:54
schestowitz"Prillo" sounds like a brand of baby foodAug 05 12:54
Diablo-D3Prillo sounds like a brand of scouering pad =PAug 05 12:56
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_XPAug 05 12:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Linux XP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 30.69 KBAug 05 12:56
DaemonFCThere's an RMS tested, schestowitz approved distroAug 05 12:56
DaemonFCthat your mother can loveAug 05 12:56
DaemonFC:PAug 05 12:56
DaemonFChttp://www.linux-xp.com/Aug 05 12:57
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DaemonFCOne server to rule them all...?Aug 05 12:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] Odata the next OOXML? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/03/microsoft_odata_cloud_interoperability/Aug 05 12:58
TechrightsBotTitle: OOXML and open clouds: Microsoft's lessons learned • The Register .::. Size~: 32.69 KBAug 05 12:58
DaemonFCOne Server to find them?Aug 05 12:58
DaemonFCOne Server to bring them all?Aug 05 12:58
DaemonFCand perhaps, in the darkness, bind them?Aug 05 12:58
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 12:59
schestowitzDaemonFC: is it just me, of did Pirillo end up being massively abaondoned over the past 2-3 years?Aug 05 12:59
schestowitzI hardly hear anything about/from himAug 05 12:59
DaemonFChe used to be on G4Aug 05 12:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Florian Mueller is spreading FUD against #gnu #linux http://slashdot.org/submission/1300048/ it's *not* about Linux. More BS. [via @ffii ]Aug 05 12:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot Submission | Salesforce Seems to Pay Patent Royalties for Linux .::. Size~: 44.83 KBAug 05 12:59
DaemonFCthey forced gim outAug 05 12:59
DaemonFCof course G4 used to be a lot less Windows-centricAug 05 12:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody from 2008Aug 05 13:00
MinceRpft, zonbu is Fog-orientedAug 05 13:00
DaemonFCI remember them doing a Linux vs FreeBSD thing at one pointAug 05 13:01
DaemonFCthe Linux was like Suse 8.somethingAug 05 13:01
MinceRewAug 05 13:01
DaemonFCand the FreeBSD guys cheated by installing a console setup without any X serverAug 05 13:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody I wrote about that specific post in http://techrights.org/2008/04/23/microsoft-software-patents-bill/Aug 05 13:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz There are 3 areas named to which the patents relate, and operating systems is the first one listed. You wrote it too.Aug 05 13:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsofts Software Patents Bill, Mozilla Brain-Picking, More Patents in Standards | Techrights .::. Size~: 102.17 KBAug 05 13:01
DaemonFCthen claim they won for fastest installAug 05 13:01
MinceRusing suse is also cheatingAug 05 13:01
MinceRsince it's one of (if not the one) crappiest distros everAug 05 13:01
DaemonFCMinceR, They had a few good segmentsAug 05 13:01
DaemonFClike how to replace your distro's 2.4 kernel by compiling a 2.6 kernelAug 05 13:02
DaemonFCinteresting little howtoAug 05 13:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @FFII What operating system do you think Salesforce uses? Of course there's a total of 3 areas with relevant patents. OS is one of them.Aug 05 13:02
DaemonFCat that point I was only upgrading the distribution about once a yearAug 05 13:03
DaemonFCcause I was on dial upAug 05 13:03
DaemonFCand in between I was just building things as I needed themAug 05 13:04
DaemonFC:PAug 05 13:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents I didn'tAug 05 13:08
schestowitzhttp://www.marketintellisearch.com/articles/1035939.htmlAug 05 13:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Unusual Trading Activity for Red Hat (RHT) .::. Size~: 16.16 KBAug 05 13:09
schestowitzIt almost looks like a non-botAug 05 13:09
schestowitzDo you reckon a person wrote it?Aug 05 13:10
schestowitzThey just plug raw numbers inAug 05 13:10
schestowitzThen pushed the button 3 timesAug 05 13:10
schestowitzI see it in Google News 3 timesAug 05 13:10
schestowitzStupid corrupt hedge fundsAug 05 13:10
schestowitzThey automate tradeAug 05 13:10
schestowitzTo hack the system and rob everyone else that's in itAug 05 13:11
schestowitzLike shooter bots in FPSAug 05 13:11
schestowitzAnd news sites do something similar, setting up triggersAug 05 13:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz you wrote: "Salesforce uses GNU/Linux just about everywhere, at least on the server side", "a Linux-sucking leech"Aug 05 13:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents that says nothing about the deal itself. It's a general statement.Aug 05 13:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz Now you deny the context. So what do you think OS relates to in the list of 3 areas of patents for which SF pays royalties?Aug 05 13:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents they are SaaSy patentsAug 05 13:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents personally I hope #swpats blow #FogComputing to HellAug 05 13:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents Salesforce is one of the many companies that leverage #GNU #Linux rather than Windows to compete with Microsoft, so it avengesAug 05 13:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz SF agreed to pay for patents "in the areas of operating systems, cloud services and customer relationship management software."Aug 05 13:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz I'd rather reverse that statement of yours and have cloud computing blow swpat to hell, though I admit it's hard to imagineAug 05 13:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents it can't work in reverse. #swpats kill many areas alreadyAug 05 13:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Mexico looks to legalise: drug war murders hit 28,000 - http://bit.ly/bdbQLJ "war on drugs" as daft as "war on terror" (via @TransformDrugs)Aug 05 13:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz #swpat don't "kill in many areas already" but in some. Example: #IBM uses them to nip any #mainframe competition in its bud.Aug 05 13:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents you left out context. From http://ur1.ca/10cch ""based on the strength of Microsoft's..."Aug 05 13:22
TechrightsBotTitle:  Mexico looks to legalisation as drug war murders hit 28,000 | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 69.38 KBAug 05 13:22
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft, Salesforce.com settle patent litigation - Microsoft, salesforce.com, software - Techworld .::. Size~: 50.96 KBAug 05 13:22
DaemonFCschestowitz, You mean spawn camping?Aug 05 13:23
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 13:23
schestowitzWhere?Aug 05 13:23
DaemonFCthe hedge fund peopleAug 05 13:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz What you quoted supports my interpretation. It means SF recognized it needed to license patents from the 3 categories named.Aug 05 13:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Web Company Using Joomla to Improve People's Lives in Western China - http://bit.ly/b1Qx7s really cool use of OSS on Tibetan Plateau #joomlaAug 05 13:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents show me IBM suing with mainframe patents #swpatsAug 05 13:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents no, it says Microsoft brags about patents in some areasAug 05 13:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz Suing is just a last resort. Microsoft went to court only 4 times thus far. IBM emphasizes patents in antitrust context.Aug 05 13:28
MinceRhow would sw patents kill Fog Computing but not all of the Free Software it relies on?Aug 05 13:29
DaemonFCfog doesn't rely on FOSSAug 05 13:30
DaemonFCit uses it to cut out the middle manAug 05 13:30
MinceRwhat, do they use IIS now?Aug 05 13:31
DaemonFC(Microsoft or Apple)Aug 05 13:31
MinceRon winblows?Aug 05 13:31
DaemonFCbesides, MS and Apple have their own fog nowAug 05 13:31
MinceRm$'s fog is tiny and almost nobody cares about itAug 05 13:31
MinceRcrApple's fog is based on Free Software they ripped off the community, as usualAug 05 13:32
DaemonFCyeah, I find whenever Apple has something that works well, they stole 90% of it from some other projectAug 05 13:33
DaemonFCvery rarely do they improve the host projectAug 05 13:33
MinceRvery rarely do they improve anything at allAug 05 13:34
MinceRthey usually make it worseAug 05 13:34
schestowitzMinceR: things lik "CRM over network" can be a patentAug 05 13:34
DaemonFCthe only reason they couldn't horde Webkit is cause KHTML is LGPLAug 05 13:34
schestowitznot a platform issueAug 05 13:34
MinceRschestowitz: icAug 05 13:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents give IBM examples, don't evade the questionAug 05 13:34
schestowitzThat's what Microsoft sued SF withAug 05 13:34
DaemonFCmy phone uses WebkitAug 05 13:35
DaemonFCit's not magic or anything but it gets the job done :PAug 05 13:35
MinceRso does mineAug 05 13:35
DaemonFCWebkit is becoming as much Google as it is AppleAug 05 13:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] And, Of Course, Gov't Agencies Recorded And Stored Body Scan Images http://dlvr.it/3QltTAug 05 13:36
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DaemonFChalf or more of those commits are a Google employee anymoreAug 05 13:36
MinceRbut not as much as it is KDE? :>Aug 05 13:36
DaemonFCit's much better than KHTMLAug 05 13:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz PSI, T3, TurboHercules, NEON are four companies who've complained and are/were labeled copycats by IBM on basis of patents.Aug 05 13:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents Give example of IBM suing with #swpats.Aug 05 13:37
DaemonFCKHTML can't even keep up with Gecko Aug 05 13:37
MinceRwithout KHTML, WebKit wouldn't existAug 05 13:37
DaemonFCright, but without Webkit, KHTML would be even worse than it is nowAug 05 13:38
MinceRif KHTML was so trivial, crApple would have coded a nonfree rendering engine from scratchAug 05 13:38
DaemonFCand used by 0.01% of the worldAug 05 13:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents Failing that, give example of active #swpats threats from IBM; not passive, like TurboHercules asking for it!Aug 05 13:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents you're still avoiding my questionsAug 05 13:38
schestowitzMinceR: without liver donation, Apple would be eladerlessAug 05 13:38
MinceRthey didn't, but they keep bragging about how much they did to itAug 05 13:38
MinceRDaemonFC: actually without WebKit, KHTML mainline would be betterAug 05 13:38
schestowitzApple 'consumes' thingsAug 05 13:38
schestowitzAnd it makes many consumersAug 05 13:38
MinceRDaemonFC: because it wouldn't be abandoned in favor of WebKit :>Aug 05 13:38
DaemonFCApple said they chose Webkit because it wasn't as complicated as GeckoAug 05 13:39
DaemonFCno shit, Gecko worksAug 05 13:39
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 13:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz TurboHercules didn't ask to be threatened with patents. http://bit.ly/cnoZWG IBM said IP (=patent) infringement out of the BlueAug 05 13:39
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MinceRDaemonFC: an empty file is even less complicated than KHTML was back thenAug 05 13:39
DaemonFCit's like saying my bicycle is simpler than my carAug 05 13:39
MinceRKHTML was good enough to make crApple swallow their principles and release GPL-ed codeAug 05 13:40
MinceRit had to be damn good if it could do thatAug 05 13:40
DaemonFCFirefox is better on Linux in some ways than it is on WindowsAug 05 13:40
DaemonFCthe Windows build is fasterAug 05 13:40
MinceRyesAug 05 13:40
MinceRfor example, you don't have to run winblows to run itAug 05 13:40
DaemonFCbut the Linux builds tend to be better integrated with the systemAug 05 13:40
DaemonFCespecially spell checking, fonts, etc.Aug 05 13:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Aussie opposition will scrap firewall - http://bit.ly/cTzcnP handy to know #firewall #australia #censorshipAug 05 13:41
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DaemonFCMinceR, I still don't know why AOL let Mozilla goAug 05 13:41
DaemonFCit's making money and they sure as hell aren'tAug 05 13:41
MinceRdunnoAug 05 13:41
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DaemonFCoh well, I guess we can be gladAug 05 13:41
DaemonFCthey were trying to turn it into another ICQ or WinampAug 05 13:42
DaemonFC:PAug 05 13:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents IBM to Bowler: "you ask whether IBM would consider licensing" http://ur1.ca/uictAug 05 13:42
DaemonFCMinceR, AOL went on buying sprees, paid developers to work on the projects as they bled cash for years, and then sold most of them off for 1-2% of what they paidAug 05 13:43
DaemonFCthat doesn't sound like good business to meAug 05 13:43
DaemonFCnot that I'm an expert, but damnAug 05 13:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz What you quote referred to z/OS licensing. The patents IBM later listed are about CPU and virtualization, nothing about z/OS.Aug 05 13:44
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ZiodotmatrixGoogle colaberates with Verizon against net neutrality to ensure it's content remains prioritized on landline and Android devices on their wireless network, more deals like this soon to follow? http://tinyurl.com/2v95sgfhttp://tinyurl.com/2v95sgfAug 05 13:44
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Ziodotmatrixhttp://tinyurl.com/2v95sgfAug 05 13:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents when you provoke a dog on purpose, be not surprised that it barks. IBM did not even bite.Aug 05 13:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents not my pointAug 05 13:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents I was talking about who provoked, not about the patentsAug 05 13:46
DaemonFCit's fitting that they gave up and gave away the only thing that stood a chance of making moneyAug 05 13:46
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 13:46
schestowitzZiodotmatrix: they do know evilAug 05 13:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz There wasn't any provocation, especially not with patents. EC wouldn't be investigating if the question had been unreasonable.Aug 05 13:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents watch how the debate was shifted again. We talked about your Linux FUD re SF originallyAug 05 13:47
schestowitzLike the slogan says (vocally)Aug 05 13:47
DaemonFCtheir management didn't understand that you could make more money by not abusing your users with whorebars, bloat, and advertising than you can by trying to rough them up for a quick buckAug 05 13:47
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: indeed heres more details on the fiscal half: http://tinyurl.com/2w922svAug 05 13:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Is Google Working With Verizon to Upend Net Neutrality? .::. Size~: 82.88 KBAug 05 13:47
DaemonFCand Canonical is about to learn the same lessonAug 05 13:47
schestowitz"Oh noes... Google, but you said YOU LOVED ME!! *Sobs*"Aug 05 13:48
DaemonFCUbuntu Advantage makes me laughAug 05 13:48
schestowitzGoogle found a bunch of new dicksAug 05 13:48
schestowitz[Verizon]Aug 05 13:49
DaemonFCthere's a reason support from Canonical is cheapAug 05 13:49
DaemonFCyou get what you pay forAug 05 13:49
DaemonFCthey don't have the expertise needed to build their own enterprise Linux distroAug 05 13:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz Twittersations shift easily and I agree we've been carried away. No doubt that SF *also* licensed patents that read on Linux.Aug 05 13:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Aussie opposition will scrap firewall - http://bit.ly/cTzcnP handy to know #firewall #australia #censorshipAug 05 13:49
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DaemonFCmuch less properly support itAug 05 13:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: 3 half-naked peopleAug 05 13:49
MinceRUbuntu Genuine Advantage?Aug 05 13:49
ZiodotmatrixDaemonFC: you mean the way Google underhandedly makes mucho dinero on hiding their less favorable methods deep in TOSs and back door agreements? Like Facebook tooAug 05 13:49
DaemonFCZiodotmatrix, There's ways around thatAug 05 13:50
MinceRlike every Fog Computing business?Aug 05 13:50
DaemonFCif you look at Tobias Wolf's Chromium PPA for exampleAug 05 13:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Paperworks / Padworks - http://bit.ly/aj8Xqp nice piece about the tablet in our future #tablets #futureAug 05 13:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents *yes* doubt, you need concrete proofAug 05 13:50
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MinceR(at least in Jesusland)Aug 05 13:50
DaemonFChe's build Chromium against ffmpegAug 05 13:50
DaemonFCand so it can do HTML 5 with h.264/aacAug 05 13:50
DaemonFCwithout all the Google crap and spywareAug 05 13:50
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: Google has been chummy with the V ever since they managed to get a deal for salesfolk to push Android handsets while sidelining all else, such as PalmAug 05 13:50
schestowitzVerizon put Bong on phonesAug 05 13:51
schestowitzAll phonesAug 05 13:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @ruiseabra ♺ @glynmoody: Aussie opposition will scrap firewall - http://bit.ly/cTzcnP handy to know #firewall #australia #censorshipAug 05 13:51
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DaemonFCobviously no distribution would ever dare distribute it like thatAug 05 13:51
DaemonFC:PAug 05 13:51
schestowitzGot $.5bn from MSFT allegedlyAug 05 13:51
DaemonFCschestowitz, Mandatory BingAug 05 13:51
DaemonFC:DAug 05 13:51
schestowitzBong BongAug 05 13:51
schestowitzBong BingAug 05 13:51
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: well apparently Google execs made a compelling argument to VZW why they shouldn't, for Android headsets only.Aug 05 13:52
schestowitzVerizon and Microsoft smoked the Bong of peaceAug 05 13:52
DaemonFChttp://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/assuranceAug 05 13:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz The press release, to which SF apparently consented, is concrete proof enough. I explained the only logical interpretation.Aug 05 13:52
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DaemonFC"he Ubuntu Assurance Programme, included in Ubuntu Advantage, covers your business for claims of intellectual property (IP) infringements arising from your use of Ubuntu. This offer is designed to safeguard your business and make deploying Ubuntu even easier."Aug 05 13:52
DaemonFCthey have it all worked outAug 05 13:52
DaemonFCthey don't pay MS because they know it's bullshitAug 05 13:52
DaemonFCthen they turn around and sell you their own 'protection plan"Aug 05 13:53
DaemonFCbrilliantAug 05 13:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents "apparently" doesn't cut it; Novell too "agreed to disagree"Aug 05 13:53
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: but then when Verizon saw a handset that they don't need to pay royalties for, and can control most content with the exception of Google exclusives which are a huge selling point, they jumped ship. They are discontinueing all most of their Winmo devices, except the Omnia II. Aug 05 13:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents some press releases are joint, this was notAug 05 13:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Collateral Damage: The Impact of ACTA & the Enforcement Agenda on World’s Poorest People - http://bit.ly/9zxnmM ignoring most of the planetAug 05 13:54
MinceRDaemonFC: they don't pay m$ _yet_Aug 05 13:54
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DaemonFChttp://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=668Aug 05 13:54
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MinceRthey were courting each other recentlyAug 05 13:54
MinceRbing-o in disguise deal :>Aug 05 13:54
DaemonFCMinceR, for only $165 a year you can get your phoney patent protection straight from CanonicalAug 05 13:54
DaemonFCwho doesn't pay Microsoft for their little fiefdomAug 05 13:55
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 13:55
MinceRyet.Aug 05 13:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz Let me tell you from business experience that a licensor will only say about a confidential deal what is agreed with licensee.Aug 05 13:55
MinceRbecause they understand that it would stir up a lot of backlashAug 05 13:55
DaemonFCexactlyAug 05 13:55
MinceRbut they keep trying other underhanded movesAug 05 13:56
MinceRi doubt there's a guarantee that they'll never sign the Linux patent dealAug 05 13:56
ZiodotmatrixDaemonFC: Verizon is seeing the light, but they're also courting Google to "revise" the net neutrality stance in return for a lucrative and subliminally exclusive leaning agreement.Aug 05 13:56
MinceRthere's especially no guarantee that they won't sign a mono patent dealAug 05 13:56
DaemonFCMinceR, Didn't you see my blog post?Aug 05 13:56
MinceRZiodotmatrix: what sort of "light" is that then?Aug 05 13:56
DaemonFCI said just thatAug 05 13:56
MinceRDaemonFC: which one?Aug 05 13:57
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: the kind that glitters and shimmersAug 05 13:57
DaemonFCthey're throwing unimportant Mono-dependent programs which are easily replaceable into their LiveCDAug 05 13:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fixed: The Linux Desktop Responsiveness Problem? http://ur1.ca/10cnb so it gets even better, even without CKAug 05 13:57
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DaemonFCand throwing useful software like Gimp and aptitude outAug 05 13:57
DaemonFCGimp and Aptitude out, Tomboy, Gbrainy, and F-Spot inAug 05 13:58
DaemonFCforget about Gnote and ShotwallAug 05 13:58
MinceRGNOME Do is in too, isn't it?Aug 05 13:58
DaemonFCthose don't depend on an 80 MB imitation Microsoft C# runtimeAug 05 13:58
DaemonFCnoAug 05 13:58
DaemonFCMinceR, By 11.04, they will have Pinta and Banshee in the default installAug 05 13:59
DaemonFCand Rhythmbox is going to be next on the chopping blockAug 05 13:59
DaemonFCBefore Empathy came along, Canonical was quietly sponsoring work on a instant messenger written in C#Aug 05 14:00
schestowitzhttp://linux-software-news-tutorials.blogspot.com/2010/08/canonical-want-buy-opensuse-rumor.htmlAug 05 14:00
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DaemonFCthen when they saw that it took twice as much system memory as Pidgin, they gave up and let it dieAug 05 14:00
ZiodotmatrixDaemonFC: are there any other distros that can install without partitioning?Aug 05 14:00
MinceRthey care about memory usage now?Aug 05 14:00
ZiodotmatrixDaemonFC: I mean partitioning without reformattingAug 05 14:01
MinceRZiodotmatrix: well, almost any distro will install in a VM :>Aug 05 14:01
MinceRi suspect that wubi can also be adapted to other distrosAug 05 14:01
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: true but then you get drastic performance cuts in WINEAug 05 14:01
MinceRusb flash mass storage devices work tooAug 05 14:01
DaemonFCheh, Wubi is an ugly hackAug 05 14:01
MinceRwell, doesn't have to be flashAug 05 14:02
DaemonFCand it's dependent on your NTFS partition not getting vaporized by somethingAug 05 14:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bike-sharing is a “well-disguised” effort aimed at “converting Denver into a United Nations community” - http://bit.ly/9YsYHB riiightAug 05 14:02
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DaemonFCWhen you ride a bike, you ride with OsamaAug 05 14:03
DaemonFCeveryone knows thatAug 05 14:03
DaemonFC:PAug 05 14:03
DaemonFCjust like when you smoke potAug 05 14:04
DaemonFCand you wouldn't smoke pot while riding a bike with Osama, would you?Aug 05 14:04
DaemonFCyou filthy hippiesAug 05 14:04
DaemonFC:PAug 05 14:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Ellsbwerg: "I have been waiting for this for a long time" | CNN http://bit.ly/bCcFTHAug 05 14:04
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DaemonFCoh greatAug 05 14:06
DaemonFCthose effing retards are out there with a ladderAug 05 14:06
DaemonFCif they take out my satellite dish I'm suing the landlordAug 05 14:07
DaemonFCI am tired of his bullshitAug 05 14:07
DaemonFChe sends alcoholics and potheads out here to do work on the houseAug 05 14:08
DaemonFCbecause they work cheapAug 05 14:08
DaemonFCthen it all falls apart again real quick and the landlord wants to know whyAug 05 14:09
DaemonFC"I don't know Kent, you tell me why you figured that $100 gets you a new roof and not a coat of tar. This isn't 19-****ing-52!"Aug 05 14:11
schestowitz[14:03] <DaemonFC> When you ride a bike, you ride with OsamaAug 05 14:13
schestowitz*LOL*Aug 05 14:13
schestowitzWhen you develop FOSS, you support communism :-)Aug 05 14:13
schestowitzDaemonFC: did Glenn Beck rape and murdered a girl in 1983?Aug 05 14:13
DaemonFCCommu-Islamofascists!!!!Aug 05 14:13
DaemonFCGRAWWWWW!!!!!Aug 05 14:13
schestowitz*derAug 05 14:13
DaemonFCschestowitz, Give him a break, even he knows that's the only way he'll get laidAug 05 14:14
DaemonFC:PAug 05 14:14
schestowitz"Greta told me Obama is coming to get us....."Aug 05 14:14
schestowitzBarrack Osama ObamaAug 05 14:14
DaemonFCBarack Hussein Osama you say?Aug 05 14:15
DaemonFCB-)Aug 05 14:15
DaemonFCwhere!?Aug 05 14:15
schestowitzBarracks OsamaAug 05 14:15
schestowitzThe base!!Aug 05 14:15
MinceRdoes it matter what the figurehead owned by the megacorps is called?Aug 05 14:15
schestowitzAl QaedaAug 05 14:15
MinceRthey couldn't put their names in his name because it would have been too longAug 05 14:15
MinceRthough i guess they could use the ad space one by oneAug 05 14:16
DaemonFCI do find it amusing that our president's middle name is HusseinAug 05 14:16
MinceRthis month, it's Barack Microsoft ObamaAug 05 14:16
DaemonFCapparently the far right can't get over thatAug 05 14:16
MinceRnext month, it's Barack Disney ObamaAug 05 14:16
MinceRetc.Aug 05 14:16
schestowitz"Alex Jones for president and Beck for VP" *LMAO*Aug 05 14:17
schestowitzIt'll be like Krusty and his sidekickAug 05 14:17
DaemonFC"Don't vote for Ted! He has the same first name as Ted Bundy, and we all know what Ted Bundy did!"Aug 05 14:17
DaemonFC:PAug 05 14:17
MinceRlolAug 05 14:17
schestowitzSame voices tooAug 05 14:17
MinceRdon't vote for any of them, they share 99.9% of their DNA with StalinAug 05 14:17
MinceRand with HitlerAug 05 14:17
DaemonFCand they're closely related to my cat tooAug 05 14:18
schestowitzSo change their DNA by breedingAug 05 14:18
DaemonFCB-)Aug 05 14:18
MinceRi think radiation would be quickerAug 05 14:18
DaemonFCHe's a hairy communist Nazi that licks himself!Aug 05 14:18
DaemonFCdon't vote for him!Aug 05 14:18
schestowitzHe had tough upbringingAug 05 14:19
schestowitzHis owner was waving a gun aroundAug 05 14:19
schestowitzLike a LUNNATIC Aug 05 14:19
schestowitzlunaticAug 05 14:19
DaemonFChey, at least if I snap it'll make a footnote in the 6 PM newsAug 05 14:20
schestowitzWith a pistol in one hand and a phat cat in the otherAug 05 14:21
schestowitzYou'll defeat the Red Army (China)Aug 05 14:21
DaemonFCLocal man goes crazy, kills everybody, now back to SurvivorAug 05 14:21
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 14:21
schestowitzThe cat is a week's food spplyAug 05 14:21
schestowitz*supplyAug 05 14:21
schestowitzIn Red Army, man eats pistolAug 05 14:22
schestowitzMan who eat no cat die in trenchAug 05 14:22
DaemonFCanyone breaks into my home, they're playing survivor the real gameAug 05 14:22
MinceRit's better if they die in the trench than if they eat catsAug 05 14:22
schestowitzMan who run in front of car gets tired...Aug 05 14:23
DaemonFCnow someone is knocking on my doorAug 05 14:23
schestowitzMan who run behind car gets exhausted.Aug 05 14:23
DaemonFCit's against my policy to answer the doorAug 05 14:23
MinceRnow i realize that the "exhausted" part is also a punAug 05 14:23
DaemonFCif they want in, they're going to have to break it downAug 05 14:23
MinceRnot just "tired"Aug 05 14:23
schestowitzWhat if it's Jabba's g/f?Aug 05 14:23
MinceRschestowitz: then it's a catAug 05 14:24
schestowitzYeahAug 05 14:24
schestowitzWindow?Aug 05 14:24
MinceRcats rarely knockAug 05 14:24
MinceRafaikAug 05 14:24
schestowitzThey sh*t neat the doorAug 05 14:24
schestowitzThen the owner is attracted by the fragranceAug 05 14:25
DaemonFCit's either Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, Bevis and Butthead the discount repairmen, the bipolar crazy neighbor, her child molesting boyfriend, or the policeAug 05 14:25
DaemonFCwould you answer it?Aug 05 14:25
schestowitzDaemonFC's cat uses Windows to come inAug 05 14:25
MinceRof courseAug 05 14:25
MinceR7 of themAug 05 14:26
MinceRwith a view (vista)Aug 05 14:26
schestowitzNoAug 05 14:26
schestowitz6.1 of themAug 05 14:26
MinceRyes, he only uses 10% of the seventh windowAug 05 14:26
schestowitzFat Jabba wouldn't be able to sqeeze itself inAug 05 14:26
DaemonFCgo crazy, kill everyone, go crazy kill everyone...sit here, watch TV, try not to kill everyoneAug 05 14:26
DaemonFCkilling everyone probably brings a fine or somethingAug 05 14:26
MinceRgo sane, kill everyoneAug 05 14:27
DaemonFCmust not kill everyoneAug 05 14:27
MinceRif you succeed then nobody will be able to fine youAug 05 14:27
schestowitzDaemonFC: I reckon when they kill too they also kil selfAug 05 14:27
DaemonFCyeah, I should buy a loose nuke from HungaryAug 05 14:27
schestowitzWith a life sentence they get a free pass/discount on selfAug 05 14:27
MinceRself is a member of everyoneAug 05 14:27
DaemonFCand set it off in my landlord's golf courseAug 05 14:27
MinceRDaemonFC: sorry, we have no nukesAug 05 14:27
schestowitzMinceR: noAug 05 14:28
schestowitzSelf is non-existenceAug 05 14:28
MinceRrussia didn't trust us that much :>Aug 05 14:28
MinceRschestowitz: wutAug 05 14:28
schestowitzego-centricity is a thing to do with lifeAug 05 14:28
schestowitzAny lifeAug 05 14:28
DaemonFCMinceR, "There's a 50% chance that puppet government could be overthrown and then they'll have nukes that can be used against us"Aug 05 14:28
DaemonFCwas their thinking?Aug 05 14:28
MinceRprobablyAug 05 14:29
schestowitz"we never had peace with russia"Aug 05 14:29
schestowitzWe now need the perfect sittingAug 05 14:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Local Nationals. zO_od: @wikileaks What does the "LNs" stand for? http://diarydig.org/Aug 05 14:29
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schestowitzTwo dorks in suit sitting on sofas posing to camerasAug 05 14:29
DaemonFCMinceR, You never pass out weapons that are as good as your ownAug 05 14:29
DaemonFCthat's just a givenAug 05 14:30
schestowitzPeace means when two large groups of atoms have their photons captures massively and reproduced many times"Aug 05 14:30
DaemonFCthey gave your country plenty of AK-47s to use on the revolting peasantsAug 05 14:30
DaemonFCthat carried them through for decadesAug 05 14:30
schestowitzTheir people still have no peaceAug 05 14:30
schestowitzSooner or later one of their gets assassinated or some radical group do 'their own thing'Aug 05 14:30
schestowitz*groupsAug 05 14:31
MinceRafaik our soldiers use(d) a local modified version of the AK-47 called AMD (and similar stuff)Aug 05 14:31
DaemonFC"My Lord, the peasants are revolting!"Aug 05 14:31
schestowitzIn space, there is no "peace"Aug 05 14:31
MinceRlook it up on WP if you want to know :>Aug 05 14:31
DaemonFC"They've always been revolting, now they're rebelling!"Aug 05 14:31
DaemonFC:PAug 05 14:31
schestowitzIn space, if you shout "peace", nobody knowsAug 05 14:31
schestowitzAnd to space there are continentsAug 05 14:31
schestowitzNot countriesAug 05 14:31
schestowitzAnd there are atoms, some of which are lice on the surfacAug 05 14:31
MinceRflied liceAug 05 14:32
schestowitzLice have infightingAug 05 14:32
MinceRand the evil lice are called maliceAug 05 14:32
schestowitzIt keeps them away from blowout (not the exposition sense) for a whileAug 05 14:32
DaemonFCMinceR, Doesn't complicating the AK-47 kind of defeat the point of them being cheap and easily mass produced?Aug 05 14:32
schestowitzThe other thing is famineAug 05 14:32
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 14:32
schestowitzFemine is when the groups of atoms fail to find enough atoms in their blob to sustain themselvesAug 05 14:33
schestowitzBut it's only famine if it's one particular speciesAug 05 14:33
schestowitzOtherwise it's called "good yield"Aug 05 14:33
DaemonFCMinceR, They're not "your soldiers", they're the private guard of the bastards in chargeAug 05 14:33
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitzAug 05 14:34
DaemonFCand they have bullets with your name on them if you get any cute ideasAug 05 14:34
DaemonFC:DAug 05 14:34
MinceRDaemonFC: rightAug 05 14:34
MinceRDaemonFC: in any case, if the modifications complicated it, there were likely good reasons for them :>Aug 05 14:34
schestowitzware create jobsAug 05 14:34
schestowitzSoldiers are professional population reducersAug 05 14:34
schestowitzHunters are the same, but they reduce populations of other species and it's not a paid jobAug 05 14:35
DaemonFCcan't you do that with missiles?Aug 05 14:35
MinceRWar on OverpopulationAug 05 14:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] What we didn't hear from the Pentagon last week: "killing all those innocent people is bad. Sorry. We will stop that"Aug 05 14:35
DaemonFCand no invasion?Aug 05 14:35
schestowitzIt's not recognised by the state anyway, unless the ban on fox hunting in the UK is repealedAug 05 14:35
schestowitz[14:35] <MinceR> War on OverpopulationAug 05 14:35
schestowitzTerrorismAug 05 14:35
MinceRno, what they call "War on Terrorism" is the War on FreedomAug 05 14:36
schestowitzDrugs?Aug 05 14:36
DaemonFCif they want to reduce the population, why are we always sending food and AIDS medicine to Africa?Aug 05 14:36
schestowitzDrugs are good... they help find more reasons for forced laboutAug 05 14:36
schestowitzOr watAug 05 14:36
schestowitzMurder anyone?Aug 05 14:36
schestowitzNo.Aug 05 14:36
DaemonFCwhy not let whatever plagues are there decimate them?Aug 05 14:36
schestowitzStolen anything?Aug 05 14:36
schestowitzNoAug 05 14:36
schestowitzTaken subtances?Aug 05 14:36
MinceRdrugs are bad, but that's no reason to make them illegalAug 05 14:36
schestowitzFood?Aug 05 14:36
schestowitzNo.Aug 05 14:36
schestowitzAlcoholAug 05 14:36
schestowitzYesAug 05 14:37
schestowitzWeed?Aug 05 14:37
MinceR"salt is bad for you, hence, illegal."Aug 05 14:37
schestowitzBamAug 05 14:37
schestowitz"Off to jail (forced labour... caps for wars) or to the army"Aug 05 14:37
schestowitzSo the war on drugs does have its good sideAug 05 14:37
*schestowitz never done illegal drugs, just alcohol (which is more harmful than many)Aug 05 14:37
DaemonFCMinceR, 50% of the population has AIDS, most of the army are child soldiers, just looking around something gives me the hint that those countries are not entirely stableAug 05 14:38
schestowitzMinceR: they should criminalise more drugs based on classAug 05 14:38
DaemonFCwhat do you think?Aug 05 14:38
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 14:38
schestowitzI see that many canon fodder candidates like rapAug 05 14:38
schestowitzThey should make rap illegalAug 05 14:38
*MinceR never ingested enough ethanol to be noticeably affectedAug 05 14:38
schestowitzThen arrest themAug 05 14:38
schestowitzBased on their 'crime'Aug 05 14:38
schestowitzNot the classAug 05 14:38
schestowitzThink of the 25 cent'ers they'll have woringAug 05 14:38
schestowitz*workingAug 05 14:38
MinceR*whoringAug 05 14:39
schestowitz:-)Aug 05 14:39
schestowitzThat tooAug 05 14:39
schestowitzThey illegalised thatAug 05 14:39
DaemonFCschestowitz is a closeted Thugnificent fanAug 05 14:39
DaemonFCI just know itAug 05 14:39
DaemonFC:PAug 05 14:39
schestowitzRich man's girl is rarely a whoreAug 05 14:39
MinceRthey had to illegalize thatAug 05 14:39
MinceRbecause they're oh-so-morally-superior, don't you knowAug 05 14:39
schestowitzSo she won't go work work camb along with 1% of the US population that's thereAug 05 14:39
schestowitzMinceR: a lot of poor people are forced into breaking the rulesAug 05 14:40
MinceRnever mind that they perpetuate the greatest evils, led by those churches that proclaim them morally superiorAug 05 14:40
schestowitzDrugs, sex in streets, if not theft (food) or murder (resentment)Aug 05 14:40
schestowitzI don't sympathise with them, but the US took it to the extremeAug 05 14:40
schestowitzThe jail system is being used like in SiberiaAug 05 14:40
schestowitz[14:40] <MinceR> never mind that they perpetuate the greatest evils, led by those churches that proclaim them morally superiorAug 05 14:41
schestowitzNoAug 05 14:41
DaemonFCOh Thugnificent, I wish I could be just like you *fap fap fap*, *guzzles a couple 40's and busts some caps not realizing that Thugnificent is just a poser with a bazillion being propped up by the RIAA*Aug 05 14:41
DaemonFC:DAug 05 14:41
schestowitzThey exploit the churchAug 05 14:41
schestowitzRich politicians often don't believeAug 05 14:41
schestowitzThey pretendAug 05 14:41
MinceRand the church exploit themAug 05 14:41
schestowitzThis way they can mobilise massesAug 05 14:41
MinceRs/it/its/Aug 05 14:41
DaemonFC*bazillion dollarsAug 05 14:41
schestowitzThey are like above-clergy tierAug 05 14:41
schestowitz[14:41] <MinceR> and the church exploit themAug 05 14:41
schestowitzNoAug 05 14:41
schestowitzIt's reciprocalAug 05 14:42
schestowitzThey offer protection to each otherAug 05 14:42
schestowitzYou can't safely and openly talk about religion there like you talk about GOPAug 05 14:42
MinceRyes, "protection"Aug 05 14:42
DaemonFCthe politicians that don't play ball are suddenly found to be having sex with teenage boys?Aug 05 14:42
DaemonFCfascinatingAug 05 14:42
schestowitzThey got curiousAug 05 14:42
DaemonFCjust like the priests!Aug 05 14:42
schestowitzHe was learning what he was up againstAug 05 14:43
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schestowitz"the funny thing is that the gnu/linux user experience is really closer to macs than windows. that's why i was uncomfortable with macs for years, until i was more familiar with gnu/linux. (and i'm not referring to ubuntu!) but macs were totally alien to me" http://280.status.net/notice/323021Aug 05 14:44
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MinceRwhatAug 05 14:44
MinceRbeing able to reconfigure or replace any part of the desktop is a "mac" thing now?Aug 05 14:44
schestowitzDaemonFC: tell your mom that gypsies are now being prosecuted and driven out of EuropeAug 05 14:44
MinceRthough to his credit, gnome does copy macos nowAug 05 14:45
DaemonFCI didn't think the Mac let you change anything other than your wallpaperAug 05 14:45
MinceRever since they stopped copying kdeAug 05 14:45
*schestowitz wonders if .hu has ethnic diversityAug 05 14:45
MinceRyesAug 05 14:45
MinceRwe have gypsiesAug 05 14:45
schestowitzThey don't harm the environment muchAug 05 14:45
MinceRor so you thinkAug 05 14:45
DaemonFCMinceR, But do you have tramps and thieves?Aug 05 14:45
schestowitzThey just don't advance science as muchAug 05 14:45
DaemonFCB-)Aug 05 14:45
MinceRDaemonFC: certainlyAug 05 14:45
schestowitzMinceR: trash ans litter?Aug 05 14:45
schestowitz*AndAug 05 14:46
MinceRschestowitz: the usual stuffAug 05 14:46
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: well considering NeXtStep which is what Mac OSX was sourced from is influenced by the mother of all open lib based GUI APIs GeOS it's no surprise.Aug 05 14:46
MinceRthat's GEOS, isn't it? :>Aug 05 14:46
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuUh8C7A_BIAug 05 14:46
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schestowitzWhat ever happened to the enlightenment based Ubuntu derivs?Aug 05 14:47
schestowitzThey have had no new releasesAug 05 14:47
schestowitzelive too has been dormant for almost a yearAug 05 14:47
MinceRelive is nonfree, DRM-encrusted rubbish, iircAug 05 14:47
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: yup, Mac OSX is in a simplistic a comprehensive framework of libraries and APIs on a custom BSD kernel.Aug 05 14:48
schestowitz> Florian Mueller is spreading FUD against !gnu !linux http://slashdot.org/submission/1300048/ it's *not* about Linux. More BS. [via @ffii ]Aug 05 14:48
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schestowitz> Aug 05 14:48
schestowitz>  You mean he aspires to become the next SCO ;-)Aug 05 14:48
schestowitz> Aug 05 14:48
schestowitz> "The Open Invention Network... claims that it shields Linux from patentAug 05 14:48
schestowitz> claims. But where is the OIN when it's actually needed? Apparently largeAug 05 14:48
schestowitz> companies like Amazon and Salesforce determined that the OIN couldn'tAug 05 14:48
schestowitz> help them and decided to pay [Microsoft]."Aug 05 14:48
schestowitz> Aug 05 14:48
schestowitz> Too obvious, overdosed with a red herring:Aug 05 14:48
schestowitz> "One can only wonder what the OIN's agenda actually is."Aug 05 14:48
MinceRZiodotmatrix: it's a lot worse than thatAug 05 14:49
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EliveAug 05 14:49
TechrightsBotTitle: Elive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 39.97 KBAug 05 14:49
DaemonFCLatest stable release 2.0 (Topaz) / March 4, 2010; 4 months agoAug 05 14:49
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: if I'm not mistaken GEOS pioneered the whole portable lib based GUI conceptAug 05 14:49
MinceRi don't know about thatAug 05 14:49
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: as in it could be ported to different hardware and coresAug 05 14:49
MinceRinterestingAug 05 14:50
schestowitzRed Hat is wary of Florian. He's not the same guy who campaigned with Jan.Aug 05 14:50
MinceRwell, according to ToastyTech, GEOS did get to many archsAug 05 14:50
DaemonFC"Elive developers asked for a payment (via PayPal) of $15 or more to download the live CD. Alternatively, users could apply for free one-use "invitation codes" by writting long essays promoting Elive and spamming it on various commercial websites."Aug 05 14:50
DaemonFCuhhhmAug 05 14:50
DaemonFCyeahAug 05 14:50
MinceRat least C64 and x86Aug 05 14:50
DaemonFCthat's not going to happenAug 05 14:50
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: Atari tooAug 05 14:50
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: GUIs such as KDE and Gnome carry the torch now in a way.Aug 05 14:52
MinceRindeedAug 05 14:52
DaemonFCUbuntu 10.10 Release Notes: aptitude moo is now aptitude deadbeef, please enjoy the added MonoAug 05 14:52
DaemonFCB-)Aug 05 14:53
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44812106#notice-45145698 "he trolls your site now and then doesn't he? (microsoft guy?)" [Florian]Aug 05 14:53
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MinceRwhy add mono to aptitude if you can add it to dpkg?Aug 05 14:53
DaemonFCno, they kill off Aptitude and it gains them 6 MBAug 05 14:53
DaemonFCwhich can be used for glorious PintaAug 05 14:53
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 14:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] DMCA Exemption Process Highlights The Folly Of The DMCA http://dlvr.it/3QtrCAug 05 14:56
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DaemonFChow can eLive be "shared source"Aug 05 14:59
DaemonFC?Aug 05 14:59
DaemonFCGPL violations anyone?Aug 05 14:59
MinceRdunno about that. do they not offer source code?Aug 05 15:00
MinceR(to paying customers, that is)Aug 05 15:00
DaemonFC"It is forbidden to use Elive for any aggression, war or crimes against humanity and/or genocide."Aug 05 15:01
DaemonFCIf I want to use my OS to wipe out the human race, I can do that!Aug 05 15:01
DaemonFCit's one of the four freedomsAug 05 15:01
DaemonFCit says "use the software for any purpose"Aug 05 15:01
DaemonFCfascists!Aug 05 15:01
DaemonFC:PAug 05 15:01
MinceRindeedAug 05 15:01
*DaemonFC downloads Elive to aide in his design of a biological plague that destroys any DNA that's not his ownAug 05 15:02
DaemonFCmuahahaha!!!Aug 05 15:02
DaemonFCand I couldn't have done it without ELiveAug 05 15:03
MinceRand then DaemonFC starved to death.Aug 05 15:03
DaemonFCuhhhmAug 05 15:03
MinceRbefore he had his chance to suffocate to death due to oxygen missing.Aug 05 15:03
DaemonFCshit...Aug 05 15:03
DaemonFChttp://opengeu.intilinux.com/news/opengeus-future-and-ubuntu-vs-debianAug 05 15:06
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DaemonFCanother "Ubuntu sucks kthxbye!"Aug 05 15:07
DaemonFCprobably ends with a "but that's not to say Ubuntu sucks, it just doesn't fit our needs"Aug 05 15:07
*schestowitz tries to convince the sister not to buy hypePod TouchAug 05 15:07
DaemonFCOMFG!!! HOW CAN YOU SAY UBUNTU SUCKS? THAT'S AGAINST THE COC!!!Aug 05 15:07
DaemonFCBLAAARGH!!!!!Aug 05 15:07
DaemonFCheheAug 05 15:07
DaemonFCMy Code of Conduct says "Kill yourself"Aug 05 15:08
DaemonFCwell, go on, stop violating MY CoC!Aug 05 15:08
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 15:08
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: resistance is futile, she will be assimilated. Most of the casts for the Precentral podcast own one, and they're open advocates :-(Aug 05 15:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: U.S. authorities able to tap BlackBerry messaging http://bit.ly/c0kG1h #USA #mobile #privacyAug 05 15:12
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Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: I thought I read HypePad the HypePod Touch but inflated with some coscmetic changesAug 05 15:12
*schestowitz on phoneAug 05 15:13
Ziodotmatrixand to think the UAE is having a hard time convincing RIM to do the sameAug 05 15:13
DaemonFC1. I left Empathy running in the system tray for a while.Aug 05 15:18
DaemonFC2. I tried double clicking on one of my MSN contacts.Aug 05 15:18
DaemonFC3. Telepathy-Butterfly died. I hear that butterflies are supposed to live for days, weeks even, Telepathy-Butterfly just isn't one of those butterflies. Either they can't all be winners or someone has vandalized Wikipedia again. So sad.Aug 05 15:18
DaemonFCheheAug 05 15:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 5/8/2010: Jolicloud Still in the News http://ur1.ca/10dcq I've attempted to make news summary posts more concise #techrightsAug 05 15:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Bought Firefox T-shirt from @24hoursloot for Rs 229 http://bit.ly/d3XvapAug 05 15:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Google-Verizon deal will put a nail in Net neutrality's coffin by @pgralla http://bit.ly/bMCVtCAug 05 15:21
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TechrightsBotTitle: Star Wars and Firefox T-shirt in discounted price Rs.229 only on 05th Aug 2010 at 24hoursLoot.com. .::. Size~: 36.86 KBAug 05 15:21
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DaemonFC'https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=586228#c45Aug 05 15:22
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 5/8/2010: Jolicloud Still in the News http://ur1.ca/10dcq I've attempted to make news summary posts more concise !techrightsAug 05 15:22
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DaemonFCoh well, at least Red Hat's bug reporting tool works witAug 05 15:23
DaemonFC*without telling you your report isn't usefulAug 05 15:23
DaemonFCKDE's really blowsAug 05 15:23
DaemonFC"Your bug report isn't useful because you don't have GDB!"Aug 05 15:23
DaemonFCinstall GDB for NEXT time something bombs outAug 05 15:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Twitter: Google Kills Wave: http://digg.com/d31Yv1c?t #WaveAug 05 15:24
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DaemonFCnext time, "Your bug report probably isn't useful and we won't tell you why, go read "Reporting useful bugs""Aug 05 15:24
DaemonFChoorayAug 05 15:24
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schestowitz[15:08] <DaemonFC> well, go on, stop violating MY CoC!Aug 05 15:25
schestowitzI tried to find your code of conductAug 05 15:25
schestowitzBut it (the CoC) was in fine printsAug 05 15:25
DaemonFCit's real simpleAug 05 15:25
DaemonFCIf you come to bitch about me not following Ubuntu's CoC, I will insist you follow my CoCAug 05 15:26
DaemonFCwhich stipulates "Kill yourself"Aug 05 15:26
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 15:26
schestowitzZiodotmatrix: yeah, and they're trying to hire me nowAug 05 15:26
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Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: you mean Apple?Aug 05 15:26
schestowitzI bet they Google me like http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=schestowitz+google&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 and then pull away sooner or laterAug 05 15:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] I write until I'm done, send the story in, rinse, and repeat as needed. #wordgoalsAug 05 15:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @ilamont: Why Wave failed: Invisibility: "It's like they're selling a phone that can't ring." http://ow.ly/2ls73 Me: Wish I said this.Aug 05 15:28
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Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: duh a lot of businesses do background checking like thatAug 05 15:28
schestowitzZiodotmatrix: no, Google. Some stalkers have also planted libel about me, but that's easy to discernAug 05 15:30
DaemonFChttp://www.mono-project.com/MoMAAug 05 15:33
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DaemonFC"While MoMA can help show potential issues, there are many complex factors that cannot be covered by a simple tool. MoMA may fail to point out areas that will cause problems, and may point out areas which will not actually be an issue. "Aug 05 15:33
DaemonFChehAug 05 15:33
DaemonFCthat sounds maddeningly unhelpfulAug 05 15:33
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: I don't think whoever is hiring you would be too concerned about a few articles criticizing the company. They may spin it as someone who can spur healthy debate if they think you're qualified to meet the material needs. They took on Andy Rubin and Matias Duarte who have proven to have zero company loyalty.Aug 05 15:34
DaemonFCMonoDevelop supports Vala?Aug 05 15:35
DaemonFChehAug 05 15:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @black_duck_sw: http://ht.ly/2lqkz New survey finds over 50% of companies are fully committed to #opensourceAug 05 15:36
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schestowitzZiodotmatrix: who's Matias?Aug 05 15:36
schestowitzI wrote about Rubin beforeAug 05 15:37
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: at the end of the day business is business so the more qualified the position is or requires and the more qualified you are the less they care.Aug 05 15:37
schestowitzThey also hired Dodge who bashed themAug 05 15:37
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/01/10/andy-rubin-android-msft/Aug 05 15:37
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schestowitzZiodotmatrix: vanishing in a cubicle is not niceAug 05 15:37
schestowitzI want to run Techrights so that I can lecture part timeAug 05 15:37
schestowitzServing a cubicle to be compensated is the end of "real life"Aug 05 15:38
schestowitzNot the beginning of the "real world"Aug 05 15:38
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: Matias co-founded Danger working on the UI design of the Sidekick, helped sell it off to MS., moved to Helio where he was instrumental in the Ocean, then helped Palm with WebOS and is now with Google for Android.Aug 05 15:38
schestowitzI had two full-time jobs before, I know how much time it takes up (and remaining energy)Aug 05 15:38
Ziodotmatrixtrue, anyway gtgAug 05 15:39
schestowitzDanger is deadAug 05 15:39
schestowitzThey got Microsofted(R)Aug 05 15:39
Ziodotmatrixbut at least Andy and Matias made millions Aug 05 15:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Finished installing #etherpad for my peers ;-)Aug 05 15:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Investment in Open Source Software Set to Rise, Accenture Survey Finds - http://bit.ly/9pE7SN more indications #opensource #surveyAug 05 15:39
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ZiodotmatrixciaoAug 05 15:39
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DaemonFCschestowitz, You should host Techrights.org on XSPAug 05 15:40
schestowitzwhat's dat?Aug 05 15:40
DaemonFCthen you can have that nifty aspx extension the pros useAug 05 15:40
DaemonFC:DAug 05 15:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @BarbaraKrasnoff: Reading: Goodbye, Google Wave: a hard software sell http://bit.ly/ddltj6 Not surprising -- how many actually used it?Aug 05 15:40
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DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSP_%28software%29Aug 05 15:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Consumers could also see continually rising bills for #Internet service' as long as #fcc is blocked from regulating http://bit.ly/brGfk7Aug 05 15:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Google deal with Verizon would give priority to their Internet content - thestar.com .::. Size~: 89.25 KBAug 05 15:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Corruption of Our 'Public Domain' - http://bit.ly/cSPDuD fascinating post - well-worth reading #copyright #publicdomainAug 05 15:43
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DaemonFCschestowitz, why do the Linux XP people say "One Server to rule them all"? I mean obviously it sounds cool, but it's referring to the One Ring from Lord of the RingsAug 05 15:45
DaemonFCwhich was a cursed evil object that only Sauron could controlAug 05 15:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Wave fails, Twitter wins. Why? http://bit.ly/aQPn9b by @sjvn #Wave #TwitterAug 05 15:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google, what are you doing?!?! #netneutralityAug 05 15:48
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44824770#notice-45150254 "Jolicloud is gaining much more attention everyday, but it's "evil" by design, no source code at all."Aug 05 15:49
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44824770#notice-45150408 " BTW thank u so much for the very informative and massive daily updates! :)) The instructionals are great!"Aug 05 15:49
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schestowitzHeh. I was under the impression that this section was the least valuable to visitorsAug 05 15:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @cwolicki: Victoria's Secret kicks off Steelers line - Not sure Roethlisberger needs the encouragement http://bit.ly/aMlxD0Aug 05 15:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Carphone's music service to seek and destroy freetards? - http://bit.ly/b2Be8N this looks well dodgy #music #streaming #piracyAug 05 15:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] How to get Windows and Linux to cooperate on the network: http://digg.com/d31YqJj?t #Linux #Windows #network #diggAug 05 15:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody glad to see El Reg still has the RIAA represented among their ranks (Andrew Orlowski)Aug 05 15:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Wishful Thinking: Hollywood Believes Next Generation Of Kids Will Pay For Content http://dlvr.it/3R09YAug 05 15:58
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DaemonFCthey didn't pay for anything, but maybe their kids willAug 05 16:01
DaemonFCYou know, like maybe they smoked pot but tell their kids it makes you incurably insaneAug 05 16:01
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 16:01
schestowitz"Content"Aug 05 16:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: the cat's hungryAug 05 16:02
schestowitzGive it some content, will ya?Aug 05 16:02
DaemonFC"They're just lining up to spend a quarter of a week's wages on one video game they'll beat in 3 hours"Aug 05 16:02
DaemonFC"hooray!"Aug 05 16:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: have your cat consume the can's contentAug 05 16:03
schestowitzWe need good consuming cats that eat their contentsAug 05 16:03
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DaemonFC"That generation is growing up paying for content. It may be their parents who are actually paying for it right now, but they do recognize that they are paying for content instead of stealing it."Aug 05 16:05
DaemonFCthat's richAug 05 16:05
DaemonFCHey, someone else is no longer paying for my "content" and I work a full time job!Aug 05 16:06
DaemonFCI should go buy more content!Aug 05 16:06
DaemonFCspend all my money on a few megabytes of copied filesAug 05 16:06
DaemonFCsure, what the hell?Aug 05 16:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz at least he provides some entertainment...Aug 05 16:07
DaemonFCschestowitz, That's like me saying I don't care how much the lobster costs if you're paying the billAug 05 16:08
DaemonFCisn't it?Aug 05 16:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @beranger_v4: They found the gene that causes shyness. They would have found it sooner, but it was hiding behind some other genes.Aug 05 16:09
*MinceR consumes a bottle's contentAug 05 16:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] odt2braille brings Braille to OpenOffice.org - http://bit.ly/d68sqQ more nice work from OSS on the accessibility front #openoffice #brailleAug 05 16:11
TechrightsBotTitle: odt2braille brings Braille to OpenOffice.org - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.89 KBAug 05 16:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody so do theyAug 05 16:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell is Awarding hypePads The company behind #SUSE is spreading Apple's merchandise http://ur1.ca/10dr9Aug 05 16:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @beranger_v4: They found the gene that causes shyness. They would have found it sooner, but it was hiding behind some other genes.Aug 05 16:12
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell is Awarding hypePads | Techrights .::. Size~: 82.84 KBAug 05 16:12
schestowitzIs Pirillo bygone, DaemonFC?Aug 05 16:14
schestowitzI asked earlierAug 05 16:14
schestowitzDid he run into the Horizon with Kevin and the Sunshine Boys?Aug 05 16:14
DaemonFCI have no ideaAug 05 16:14
schestowitzHe's no longer aroundAug 05 16:14
schestowitzI mailed him some months agoAug 05 16:14
schestowitzHis site contained an errorAug 05 16:15
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=pirillo&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Aug 05 16:15
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schestowitzDaemonFC: see the image that comes up in page 1Aug 05 16:15
schestowitzI'm sure it'll impress the employerAug 05 16:15
schestowitzhttp://help.lockergnome.com/Aug 05 16:16
TechrightsBotTitle: Lockergnome Forums .::. Size~: 16.24 KBAug 05 16:16
schestowitzTHese are scrapedAug 05 16:16
schestowitzhe's faking having initiated/run these threadsAug 05 16:16
MinceRit's a m$ fansite anyway, isn't it?Aug 05 16:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @sharon000: Car tech: Building the zero-fatality car http://bit.ly/dwNuR9 Me: Not sure zero's doable, but way less still goodAug 05 16:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Internet Ban Proposed for Serial Copyright Infringers - http://bit.ly/aZ82Sk sick to see how this meme has spread #copyrightAug 05 16:17
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schestowitzMinceR: disguised as balancedAug 05 16:18
schestowitzas in "we report the news, you decide"Aug 05 16:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The price of privacy - http://bit.ly/9cAvqs "Once-abundant privacy is now scarce. Once-scarce publicness is now abundant." nice #privacyAug 05 16:19
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DaemonFC"Novell could have selected different prizes"Aug 05 16:19
DaemonFCYou could win one of only 3 million unsold Kin phones!Aug 05 16:20
DaemonFCB-)Aug 05 16:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody nice. So how long is Sarko disconnected for?Aug 05 16:20
MinceR:)Aug 05 16:21
schestowitzDaemonFC: be KINd to MicrosoftAug 05 16:22
MinceR"This is your only chance to get a KIN phone -- by winning one!"Aug 05 16:22
MinceR*unKINdAug 05 16:22
MinceRFTFYAug 05 16:22
schestowitzhttp://ubuntulook.com/2010/08/04/rumour-canonical-interested-in-buying-opensuse/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rumour-canonical-interested-in-buying-opensuseAug 05 16:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Ubuntu Look  » Rumour: Canonical Interested in Buying OpenSUSE .::. Size~: 50.24 KBAug 05 16:23
MinceR(javascript) http://whatthefuckismyinformationsecuritystrategy.com/Aug 05 16:24
TechrightsBotTitle: What The Fuck Is My Information Security Strategy? .::. Size~: 10.38 KBAug 05 16:24
MinceRcan opensuse be sold? i thought it was a community-driven thing, with a few leaders on novell's payrollAug 05 16:24
DaemonFCyou thought wrongAug 05 16:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz seems not to work like that...can't imagine whyAug 05 16:25
MinceRalso, what does canonical need that for? bringing ubuntu down to the level of opensuse would be too much work?Aug 05 16:25
DaemonFCit's mostly a Novell-driven thing with a few token community participantsAug 05 16:25
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 16:25
DaemonFCCrozat just got laid off from MandrivaAug 05 16:28
DaemonFCif they actually did toss out the Microsoft compatibility stack from Mono and just used things like Cairo and GTK#, would it still violate patents?Aug 05 16:32
DaemonFCthey keep saying the Microsoft compatibility stack is "optional"Aug 05 16:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Citizen science: People power - http://bit.ly/atD4yF interesting application of OSS distributed development to #thinking (via @Eaterofsun)Aug 05 16:33
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MinceRDaemonFC: if they stuck to the patents covered by the covenant (on specs submitted to Ecma), then they probably still violate them but they have a promise of not being suedAug 05 16:34
MinceRDaemonFC: but since if someone modifies mono to deviate from the specs, the "promise" no longer applies, not even those parts of mono are free softwareAug 05 16:34
DaemonFCso the "promise" stops covering you because you used Cairo or GTK#Aug 05 16:35
DaemonFCnice little catchAug 05 16:35
MinceRi doubt it does thatAug 05 16:35
MinceRunless m$ has patents on eitherAug 05 16:35
DaemonFCbut you can't use libgdiplus or Windows Forms because they were never "covered" at allAug 05 16:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] when mighty galaxies collide... http://bit.ly/cq14sW ...they make great art #astronomy #hubble #artAug 05 16:36
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FurnaceBoysighAug 05 16:37
FurnaceBoylisten. microsoft are criminals. this is maybe the only time DaemonFC's mentality comes in handy: kill them before they kill you.Aug 05 16:38
MinceRhardly the only timeAug 05 16:38
MinceRworks against most governmentsAug 05 16:38
MinceRand crAppleAug 05 16:38
DaemonFC"If you only avoid using all GUI functionality, we promise not to sue you over Mono"Aug 05 16:39
DaemonFCWell, what's left to use?Aug 05 16:39
DaemonFC:PAug 05 16:39
MinceRGTK# might be able to provide GUI functionality without infringing on m$ patentsAug 05 16:40
DaemonFCwell, you notice that GTK#/Cairo apps are so fast and ones that use libgdiplus and Windows Forms are sluggish?Aug 05 16:42
DaemonFCyou get near native speed with GTK# and CairoAug 05 16:42
DaemonFCyou sure don't when you use the Windows compatibility stackAug 05 16:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody when mighty galaxies collide... http://bit.ly/cq14sW ...they make great art #astronomy #hubble #artAug 05 16:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Technology Lessons from the Wikileaks Saga - http://bit.ly/c6fjSA "Those most to fear from an open environment are ones with closed agendas"Aug 05 16:48
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DaemonFChttp://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2010/gnome-desktop-project.htmlAug 05 16:56
TechrightsBotTitle: redhat.com | The World's Open Source Leader .::. Size~: 21.87 KBAug 05 16:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Can We Please Stop The False Dichotomy Of 'Creators' vs 'Consumers' When It Comes To Copyright? http://dlvr.it/3R66rAug 05 17:02
TechrightsBotTitle: Can We Please Stop The False Dichotomy Of 'Creators' vs 'Consumers' When It Comes To Copyright? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 27.74 KBAug 05 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Gov 2.0 as means not end - http://oreil.ly/deln4G good point: "Government as a Platform is a story being told by both political sides" #ogovAug 05 17:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Gov 2.0 as means not end - O'Reilly Radar .::. Size~: 25.28 KBAug 05 17:03
DaemonFChttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/612370Aug 05 17:08
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FurnaceBoylulzAug 05 17:08
FurnaceBoywhat is banshee anyway?Aug 05 17:09
*FurnaceBoy forgetsAug 05 17:09
MinceRmono-infected music playerAug 05 17:09
FurnaceBoyickAug 05 17:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @maryjofoley: Another piece of Microsoft's Oslo modeling puzzle disappears: http://bit.ly/aD8xEf Me: Hope no one was planning on 'M.'Aug 05 17:10
FurnaceBoyi seeAug 05 17:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Another piece of Microsoft's Oslo modeling puzzle disappears | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 108.66 KBAug 05 17:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Estimating Economic Impact of Mass Digitization Projects on Copyright Holders: Evidence from GBS Litigation - http://bit.ly/dygxg6 #googleAug 05 17:24
TechrightsBotTitle: SSRN-Estimating the Economic Impact of Mass Digitization Projects on Copyright Holders: Evidence from the Google Book Search Litigation by Hannibal Travis .::. Size~: 40.58 KBAug 05 17:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Can We Please Stop The False Dichotomy Of 'Creators' vs 'Consumers' When It Comes To Copyright? - http://bit.ly/dB7etW yes: important pointAug 05 17:31
TechrightsBotTitle: Can We Please Stop The False Dichotomy Of 'Creators' vs 'Consumers' When It Comes To Copyright? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 35.75 KBAug 05 17:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | How eBook Readers Can Take Off | http://micurl.com/vgatzuAug 05 17:32
TechrightsBotTitle: How eBook Readers Can Take Off | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 18.62 KBAug 05 17:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] How much Twitter spam can you send without getting banned? Evidently, quite a lot: http://bit.ly/b34wtZAug 05 17:39
TechrightsBotTitle: http://b.ai/odf &mdash; BackTweets .::. Size~: 8.14 KBAug 05 17:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] "we estimate that there are 129,864,880 different books in the world" - http://bit.ly/9n5Nd2 most locked down by #copyright #googleAug 05 17:40
TechrightsBotTitle: Official Google Blog: You can count the number of books in the world on 25,972,976 hands .::. Size~: 59.35 KBAug 05 17:40
DaemonFChttp://www.happyassassin.net/2010/08/04/more-controversial-crap-or-where-did-all-the-linux-netbooks-go/Aug 05 17:43
TechrightsBotTitle: AdamW on Linux and more  » Blog Archive   » More controversial crap, or: where did all the Linux netbooks go? .::. Size~: 68 KBAug 05 17:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, Adam Williamson noticed that Microsoft has crapflooded the netbook sector with heavily subsidized Windows 7 Crippleware EditionAug 05 17:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Jumper 2.0 - http://bit.ly/bOzSLH "a collaborative search is an open source, web-based platform written in PHP and Javascript" #searchAug 05 17:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] IRCTC beta version 'list of compatible browser' - http://tinyurl.com/2c45wc7 include Firefox opera chrome. who gifted 'web for dummies' themAug 05 17:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Jumper 2.0 - Open Source Collaborative Search Engine .::. Size~: 17.95 KBAug 05 17:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Compatible browser .::. Size~: 5.04 KBAug 05 17:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://bit.ly/bVcgoU - #RedHat's Adam Williamson discusses the troubling epidemic of Vista 7 Crippleware Edition taking hold of netbooks.Aug 05 17:49
TechrightsBotTitle: AdamW on Linux and more  » Blog Archive   » More controversial crap, or: where did all the Linux netbooks go? .::. Size~: 69.22 KBAug 05 17:49
DaemonFC"Quick price check. The base config of the 10n is $299, with 1GB of RAM, a 160GB hard disk, 802.11n wireless, a webcam, and a 3-cell battery. The base config of the Mini 10, with Windows 7 Starter, is $299 for identical specs – except you get a 6-cell battery. So the Windows model is slightly better, for the same price."Aug 05 17:52
DaemonFCWindows uses so much battery power that they had to double the cells to advertise the same runtimeAug 05 17:52
DaemonFCis what happenedAug 05 17:52
DaemonFCstill, since you pay the same either way, it's better deal to just buy the Vista 7 Crippleware version and format over it with LinuxAug 05 17:53
DaemonFC"So Dell’s netbook story is a single model with inferior specs to the Windows model, which you can only find on a rather well-hidden special page, for the same price as the Windows model. It has a laptop which costs more for worse specs, and only the single desktop model seems to have positive elements to it. Isn’t it sad that this is the *best* we’ve managed?"Aug 05 17:54
MinceRthey're dells.Aug 05 17:55
DaemonFCthe HP story is worseAug 05 17:56
DaemonFCyou pay $132 more to get the netbook with LinuxAug 05 17:56
FurnaceBoy...Aug 05 18:00
FurnaceBoyeverything always comes back to the OEM tax being the clear and present crimeAug 05 18:01
FurnaceBoywho has the balls to get them back in a court?Aug 05 18:02
DaemonFCwell, I can see why Suse costs $132 more than WindowsAug 05 18:03
DaemonFCafter all you're paying for SLED *and* licenses to run all that Windows Imaginary PropertyAug 05 18:03
DaemonFC:DAug 05 18:03
DaemonFCwhat a value!Aug 05 18:03
FurnaceBoyyeah but think 2nd order effectsAug 05 18:03
FurnaceBoyeverything is playing their wayAug 05 18:03
FurnaceBoythe fact that a 'linux' is IN the market is playing their wayAug 05 18:04
FurnaceBoyas you just describedAug 05 18:04
FurnaceBoyfirst you have the price offset,to push ppl towards windowsAug 05 18:04
FurnaceBoyand when they are on windows, the game is wonAug 05 18:04
FurnaceBoythey stay thereAug 05 18:04
FurnaceBoyit's the same strategy, repeated everywhereAug 05 18:04
DaemonFCwell, just because people are buying the Windows systems doesn't meant htat's what is staying thereAug 05 18:04
FurnaceBoyit's Mono's, Silverlight's, Office's.. EVERY product that runs outside windows is designed to funnel ppl bakc to windows sooner or later.Aug 05 18:05
DaemonFCif I was looking at same price for the 3 cell model with Linux or the 6 cell with Windows StarterAug 05 18:05
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you know that it is, 97 times out of 100Aug 05 18:05
DaemonFCI'd get the 6 cell and format over WindowsAug 05 18:05
FurnaceBoyYOU would. YOU are not the market.Aug 05 18:05
FurnaceBoyI am not the market.Aug 05 18:05
FurnaceBoyI'm talking about the market.Aug 05 18:05
DaemonFCyeah, in my case it's jsut about getting MS to subsidize a bigger batteryAug 05 18:06
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 18:06
DaemonFCbut some people get Windows Starter and see their only way of making the system useful is sliding their credit cardAug 05 18:06
FurnaceBoythis is racketeering in broad daylightAug 05 18:06
DaemonFCand paying another $78 to get a Home Premium licenseAug 05 18:07
FurnaceBoyof course.Aug 05 18:07
FurnaceBoyit's a big cone, like the sarlacc pit.Aug 05 18:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Testing from TwidgeAug 05 18:07
FurnaceBoyand at the bottom, "You use Windows. forever."Aug 05 18:07
FurnaceBoythat's it.Aug 05 18:07
DaemonFCso Microsoft isn't worried about subsidizing the system when they know they get to sell you two Windows licenses in the endAug 05 18:07
FurnaceBoythat's their business model. the actual products, the technology, doesn'tmatter. what matters is that you are locked in.Aug 05 18:07
FurnaceBoyright!Aug 05 18:07
FurnaceBoyit's just a big slippery slide into the sarlacc pit, where they feed on your flesh slowly, until you die.Aug 05 18:08
DaemonFCthat's usually like a $20 battery upgrade, right?Aug 05 18:08
FurnaceBoyyou're either sliding into the pit, in the pit, or a long way from the damn pit.Aug 05 18:08
DaemonFCWindows 7 Starter costs about $20 to DellAug 05 18:08
FurnaceBoyhow do you know that?Aug 05 18:08
DaemonFCso Microsoft isn't making money on Starter, but they aren't losing any eitherAug 05 18:09
FurnaceBoythis isn't the area they make money.Aug 05 18:09
FurnaceBoythat's why you have to consider 2nd order effects.Aug 05 18:09
DaemonFCthen once you already have it and figure out Starter is useless, you buy the upgrade to Home PremiumAug 05 18:09
FurnaceBoythis is about capturing people, not profiting off a licenseAug 05 18:09
FurnaceBoyyes, more or less.Aug 05 18:09
FurnaceBoyand the linux price differential is another wall of the pit.Aug 05 18:09
DaemonFCthey sell almost everyone a copy of Home Premium after making the system look more affordable and keeping Linux out of itAug 05 18:09
FurnaceBoythen they get to crow about their dishonestly achieved market shareAug 05 18:11
FurnaceBoyit's a self reinforcing systemAug 05 18:11
FurnaceBoyit's going to be glorious to see it smashedAug 05 18:11
DaemonFCrightAug 05 18:12
DaemonFCbecause everyone that buys a netbook gets recorded as a Windows saleAug 05 18:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @MitchWagner: Praising the good in Google Wave http://ow.ly/2lyANAug 05 18:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @LinuxDotCom: Interview with New Fedora Project Leader Jared Smith: http://bit.ly/aJdrtWAug 05 18:12
TechrightsBotTitle: Praising the good in Google Wave - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 61.23 KBAug 05 18:12
DaemonFCeven if they were wanting Linux and planned to format over Windows StarterAug 05 18:12
DaemonFCA lot of distributions have a fairly straightforward Live USB creator toolAug 05 18:13
FurnaceBoyyes, that's part of the trickAug 05 18:13
DaemonFCso it's not hard to get Linux on that Windows Cripplware systemAug 05 18:13
DaemonFCto Microsoft it's about fostering ignorance and creating as much friction to the migration as possibleAug 05 18:13
DaemonFCwouldn't surprise me if they even have some OEMs botching the hardware to crash Linux randomlyAug 05 18:14
DaemonFCit wouldn't be the first timeAug 05 18:14
DaemonFCI ran into a case like that with a Foxconn motherboardAug 05 18:15
ender2070Microsoft makes most of its money from corporations and other businessesAug 05 18:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft hands out nonstandard ACPI test suitesAug 05 18:15
DaemonFCand OEMs certify it Windows compliantAug 05 18:15
DaemonFCnot standards compliantAug 05 18:15
DaemonFCI liked how debian explained it at one pointAug 05 18:16
ender2070I'm thinking they don't care about what power users do with their software, theft or no theft. they just want to make sure average joe doesn't steal windows.Aug 05 18:16
DaemonFCIt might take Microsoft millions of dollars to make the first copyAug 05 18:16
DaemonFCbut after that it's just selling people expensive CDsAug 05 18:16
DaemonFCand license codesAug 05 18:16
ender2070yesAug 05 18:16
ender207095% of the vista dvd is the sameAug 05 18:16
ender2070the license enables, disables certain thingsAug 05 18:17
DaemonFCWindows 7 is the same thing on every discAug 05 18:17
ender2070you download the restAug 05 18:17
ender2070same with win7Aug 05 18:17
DaemonFCthe only difference with OEM discs is a file that restricts the system to one edition's OEM serial numbersAug 05 18:17
DaemonFCyou can delete that from the ISO image then install it and use an Ultimate OEM serialAug 05 18:17
ender2070yeah but you dont have to use OEM disks with OEM keysAug 05 18:17
DaemonFCand get Windows 7 UltimateAug 05 18:18
ender2070errAug 05 18:18
ender2070you can use oem keys on regular disksAug 05 18:18
DaemonFCrightAug 05 18:18
ender2070i dont even bother with oem copiesAug 05 18:18
DaemonFCthe distribution channel marker will change to match whatever key type you enterAug 05 18:18
ender2070they're likely to bundle spyware tooAug 05 18:18
DaemonFCwell, you can download the Windows 7 ISO maker from Digital RiverAug 05 18:19
DaemonFCwhich is Microsoft's official distributorAug 05 18:19
ender2070or use WAIKAug 05 18:19
ender2070I made a WinPE boot cd with WAIK yesterday, bundled imagex with it and got a free norton ghost cloneAug 05 18:19
DaemonFCProduct Activation is a jokeAug 05 18:19
ender2070:)Aug 05 18:19
DaemonFCand it's like that on purposeAug 05 18:20
DaemonFCit looks just tough enough to dissuade a casual copierAug 05 18:20
ender2070product activation is to keep the noobs outAug 05 18:20
ender2070power users will know enough to fix their broken activation when an update plugs itAug 05 18:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Getting Past The Hurdles Of Micropayments http://dlvr.it/3RDqfAug 05 18:21
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ender2070today i was playing around with group policies againAug 05 18:21
ender2070hardened ie7 with it across the domainAug 05 18:22
ender2070ie whatever actuallyAug 05 18:22
ender2070im going to write an exam today at 5:30pm ESTAug 05 18:25
ender2070Vista Client Configuration 70-620Aug 05 18:25
FurnaceBoyfdisk worksAug 05 18:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @thepacketrat: A brief explanation of DNSSEC and how it uses #crypto to keep #hackers from using DNS cache poisoning http://ow.ly/2lzogAug 05 18:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Internet Evolution - Sean Gallagher - Crypto Signatures Are Key to New DNS Security .::. Size~: 195.47 KBAug 05 18:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Today's music: Blackmore's Night http://www.blackmoresnight.com/index2.htm Ever wonder what happened to Deep Purple's Ritchie Blackmore?Aug 05 18:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #swpat And so is born a #patent #troll ♺ @contrafactos: Facebook Buys $40 Million Worth of Social Networking Patents http://ow.ly/2lzp1Aug 05 18:31
TechrightsBotTitle: The Official Ritchie Blackmore and Blackmores Night Website .::. Size~: 64.76 KBAug 05 18:31
TechrightsBotTitle: Facebook Buys $40 Million Worth of Social Networking Patents .::. Size~: 82.13 KBAug 05 18:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Sure, here's the url... ♺ @BreakingNews: Pentagon demands that WikiLeaks hands over documents it has not yet publicly released - ReutersAug 05 18:32
DaemonFCender2070, Hardened IE......Aug 05 18:34
DaemonFCyou disconnected the system from the network?Aug 05 18:34
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 18:34
ender2070protected mode, disabled activex addons, enforced zone settings and made them user unchangableAug 05 18:35
FurnaceBoywouldn't the best form of hardening be 'run something else'?Aug 05 18:35
ender2070[13:27] <FurnaceBoy> wouldn't the best form of hardening be 'run something else'?Aug 05 18:35
ender2070or thatAug 05 18:35
ender2070ChromeAug 05 18:35
FurnaceBoyseems simpler..Aug 05 18:36
ender2070Chrome is the only secure third party browser on windows vista/7Aug 05 18:36
DaemonFCthose guys are putting the new roofing shingles onAug 05 18:36
FurnaceBoyfirefox has a kiosk mode, does that help?Aug 05 18:36
DaemonFCdamned noisyAug 05 18:36
ender2070nopeAug 05 18:36
ender2070not one bitAug 05 18:36
FurnaceBoyi mean in terms of locking down settings.Aug 05 18:36
ender2070nopeAug 05 18:36
ender2070its still exploitable on the os levelAug 05 18:36
FurnaceBoysure, everything is.Aug 05 18:36
DaemonFCFirefox can't run as a Low Integrity processAug 05 18:37
ender2070firefox doesnt support the advanced security features added in vista/7Aug 05 18:37
FurnaceBoyw00tAug 05 18:37
DaemonFCthe most you can do is use DropMyRights to run it with Medium IntegrityAug 05 18:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How Asimov’s Robot Laws Ended Up on Last.fm’s Web Server - http://bit.ly/bTlIFo just in case you wondered #robotics #asimovAug 05 18:37
TechrightsBotTitle: How Asimovs Robot Laws Ended Up on Last.fms Web Server | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 72.24 KBAug 05 18:37
ender2070[13:29] <DaemonFC> the most you can do is use DropMyRights to run it with Medium IntegrityAug 05 18:37
ender2070or task managerAug 05 18:37
DaemonFCeven at that it still has user-level accessAug 05 18:37
FurnaceBoyit all seems rather tricky, on windows...Aug 05 18:37
DaemonFCyeah, Chrome is where you should be on WindowsAug 05 18:37
*FurnaceBoy returns to workAug 05 18:37
DaemonFCthey have the best security mechanism you'll get on WindowsAug 05 18:38
ender2070yeahAug 05 18:38
ender2070actually chrome/chromium is the only browser you should be using if you want securityAug 05 18:38
ender2070linux, windows or macAug 05 18:38
FurnaceBoyi wonder how far G has got with its 'purge windows from our body' policyAug 05 18:38
DaemonFCright, Microsoft isn't even using the facilities they've implemented to the fullest extentAug 05 18:38
DaemonFCwhich is just weirdAug 05 18:38
FurnaceBoyyeah, i'm expecting those powerpc viruses to hit me pretty hard any time nowAug 05 18:38
ender2070the only thing is you can't manage chrome with group policiesAug 05 18:39
ender2070i can see why corps force IEAug 05 18:39
DaemonFCgpedit :)Aug 05 18:39
ender2070yesAug 05 18:39
FurnaceBoyyes, corps+windows = race to the bottomAug 05 18:39
ender2070domain level enforced ie settingsAug 05 18:39
ender2070you can use the same settings everywhere or different ones for different sitesAug 05 18:40
DaemonFCas in, you can force everything into the Restricted Zone's setting levelAug 05 18:40
ender2070yesAug 05 18:40
DaemonFCyeah that takes care of covering up most vulnerabilitiesAug 05 18:40
DaemonFCbut it doesn't leave many featuresAug 05 18:40
ender2070nope lolAug 05 18:40
ender2070i disable activexAug 05 18:40
ender2070people shouldnt need it anymore anywayAug 05 18:41
DaemonFCit seems like 9 out of 10 times, the workaround Microsoft suggests is to disable scripting until a patch is outAug 05 18:41
ender2070even ie9 will try to support HTML5Aug 05 18:41
ender2070no need for native apps running in your browser with full access to the osAug 05 18:41
FurnaceBoyorly:)Aug 05 18:41
ender2070keyword: tryAug 05 18:41
DaemonFCyeah, ActiveX has no security modelAug 05 18:42
ender2070their audio tags will probably only support wmaAug 05 18:42
DaemonFCand anyone with $200 can sign their spywareAug 05 18:42
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 18:42
ender2070yeah, security != signingAug 05 18:42
ender2070we saw last week, one of the certs was hacked and revokedAug 05 18:42
ender2070so this vista/server2008 course is pretty refreshing to say the leastAug 05 18:43
ender2070at least im not paying for itAug 05 18:43
ender2070so many differences since xp on the lower level admin sideAug 05 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @dwonderly: @llilinuxfund just got me gift from you guys. "Art of a Community" by @jonobacon thank you!Aug 05 18:44
ender2070such easy courses tooAug 05 18:44
ender2070we do assignments in class and im usually the first one doneAug 05 18:45
ender2070i just browse slashdot and other tech sitesAug 05 18:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Naked Pictures! http://bit.ly/b1Lvxd Guess who lied about storing 'whole body' images? That would be the federal #GovernmentAug 05 18:45
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DaemonFCwell what I want to know is why the malware spreading rate hasn't been affected by all this "security" workAug 05 18:45
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 18:45
ender2070it hasAug 05 18:45
ender2070not for consumers thoughAug 05 18:45
ender2070this stuff all gets turned off by default for vista home and home premiumAug 05 18:46
DaemonFCwell, consumers have no restriction on what they can click onAug 05 18:46
DaemonFCand they aren't forced to install antivirusAug 05 18:46
ender2070yeahAug 05 18:46
DaemonFCthat's not how a corporate system is set upAug 05 18:46
ender2070i can force users to have whatever I want installedAug 05 18:46
ender2070by group policiesAug 05 18:46
DaemonFCand you can stop them from loading any program on the computerAug 05 18:47
DaemonFC(like IE)Aug 05 18:47
ender2070yesAug 05 18:47
ender2070I can even blacklist or whitelist activex controlsAug 05 18:47
ender2070drivers, programs, etcAug 05 18:47
ender2070its great if you want to control peopleAug 05 18:47
ender2070lolAug 05 18:47
ender2070and maintenance tooAug 05 18:48
DaemonFCI blocked iexplore.exe, mshtml.dll, and shdocvw.dllAug 05 18:48
DaemonFCby removing read and execute permissions from my own accountAug 05 18:48
ender2070if someones pc is broken, they have their stuff already backed up using roaming profiles. i just have to reimage their workstation using WDSAug 05 18:48
DaemonFCand wscript.exeAug 05 18:48
ender2070or imagex if i wantAug 05 18:48
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ender2070WDS is sick thoughAug 05 18:49
DaemonFCif you have nlite, you can remove a lot of the dangerous crap anywayAug 05 18:49
ender2070network bootable reimagingAug 05 18:49
DaemonFCincluding IE, engine and allAug 05 18:49
DaemonFCand the scripting hoseAug 05 18:49
DaemonFC*hostAug 05 18:49
ender2070that would probably break stuff in a corporate environment thoughAug 05 18:49
DaemonFCyou'll break programs that call IEAug 05 18:49
DaemonFCbut you shouldn't use them anywayAug 05 18:50
ender2070corps love buying broken ie based softwareAug 05 18:50
DaemonFClet's standardize on something we have no control overAug 05 18:50
ender2070blizzard STLL launches iexplore.exe instead of your default browser in the WOW launcherAug 05 18:50
ender2070I thought they would've fixed that but nopeAug 05 18:50
DaemonFClet's spend millions of dollars standardizing on itAug 05 18:50
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ender2070my friend still copies the url out of the IE window it opens and reopens it in firefoxAug 05 18:51
DaemonFCwell, Windows 7 supports symlinksAug 05 18:51
DaemonFCremoving IE deletes iexplore.exeAug 05 18:51
DaemonFCmake an iexplore.exe symlinkAug 05 18:51
DaemonFCand point it at firefoxAug 05 18:51
ender2070good call ill tell himAug 05 18:51
DaemonFCyeah, I'd just remove IE from the Windows Features appletAug 05 18:52
ender2070i think he uses vista actually, cause win7 just doesn't launch anythingAug 05 18:52
DaemonFCand then make a symlink to FirefoxAug 05 18:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] First UAE now Saudi Arabia. RIM encryption too strong for giv spies http://micurl.com/asyAexAug 05 18:52
TechrightsBotTitle: It's official: Saudi Arabia bans BlackBerrys .::. Size~: 27.27 KBAug 05 18:52
ender2070Blackberrys :DAug 05 18:52
DaemonFCVista supports symlinks, but there's no official way to remove iexplore.exeAug 05 18:52
DaemonFC:PAug 05 18:52
ender2070thats my next courseAug 05 18:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How The Guardian is pioneering data journalism with free tools - http://bit.ly/9WBjxd so good, they printed the interview twice #newspapersAug 05 18:53
TechrightsBotTitle: How The Guardian is pioneering data journalism with free tools » Nieman Journalism Lab .::. Size~: 108.61 KBAug 05 18:53
ender2070ms exams cost about 60-70 USD eachAug 05 18:53
ender2070i found outAug 05 18:53
ender2070no wonder people have so many sometimesAug 05 18:53
ender2070easy shit, cheap cheapAug 05 18:54
DaemonFCCanadaland is paying, right?Aug 05 18:54
DaemonFCyour tax dollars at workAug 05 18:54
ender2070yeahAug 05 18:54
DaemonFCmight as well be good to yourselfAug 05 18:54
DaemonFCthrough several layers of money wasting bureaucracy Aug 05 18:54
DaemonFCit's like laundering your own money back yourself and paying middlemenAug 05 18:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'Glee' creator Ryan Murphy developing a musical series for pal Kristin Chenoweth http://is.gd/e4ycr As a big Chenoweth fan I hope this worksAug 05 18:55
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DaemonFCthe think they just blew the roof off with C-4Aug 05 18:56
DaemonFCI might be deaf nowAug 05 18:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @sethmeyers21: Favre will be announcing his decision in a month long special on ESPN called ESPN. Me: Sad, but probably true.Aug 05 18:56
FurnaceBoycanada govt?Aug 05 18:57
FurnaceBoywe should get windows out of government.Aug 05 18:57
DaemonFCMy landlord is such a great guyAug 05 18:57
FurnaceBoyit doesn't belong thereAug 05 18:57
DaemonFChe should be paying me to be on the roof drunk dropping things off into the alleyAug 05 18:58
DaemonFCB-)Aug 05 18:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] W3C Web on TV Workshop - Interesting - http://www.w3.org/2010/09/web-on-tv/ #w3cAug 05 18:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Folklore - http://bit.ly/b7zpKg "open-access online portal for folklore studies" #folklore #openaccessAug 05 18:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Open Folklore | Open Folklore .::. Size~: 14.17 KBAug 05 18:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why I want everything OA, right now - http://bit.ly/ckEFGy the demands grow louder #openaccess #sharingAug 05 19:02
TechrightsBotTitle: Why I want everything OA, right now « Research Remix .::. Size~: 46.89 KBAug 05 19:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Hey, we are having Linux workshop in IIT Delhi at 7 Aug 2010. If you wanna present or attend - just do it. For presentation plz contactAug 05 19:04
FurnaceBoythis is kinda a big deal. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_671617.htmlAug 05 19:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Josh Silver: Google-Verizon Deal: The End of The Internet as We Know It .::. Size~: 215.56 KBAug 05 19:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Are you getting the toxic picture re #aspartame, yet? #health #diet http://huff.to/c7GY3I #cokeAug 05 19:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Dr. Joseph Mercola: The Deadly Neurotoxin Nearly EVERYONE Uses Daily (VIDEO) .::. Size~: 248.53 KBAug 05 19:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Peak Capital - Our Ultimate Limit? - http://bit.ly/dzXiuX insightful and worrying #peak #capital #economicsAug 05 19:13
DaemonFCender2070, Quoting quacks?Aug 05 19:13
TechrightsBotTitle: The Oil Drum: Europe | Peak Capital - Our Ultimate Limit? .::. Size~: 221.86 KBAug 05 19:13
DaemonFChomeopathic remediesAug 05 19:13
DaemonFCschestowitz uses them all the timeAug 05 19:13
DaemonFCon the advice of the QueenAug 05 19:13
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 19:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] We All Love The Bazaar Now - http://bit.ly/aQNiuk including those in marketing and PR, it seems #esr #bazaar #marketingAug 05 19:15
DaemonFCI think that old bat is the reason the British taxpayers spend $5 billion a year on homeopathic nonsenseAug 05 19:15
DaemonFCender2070, brb, I need to go turn your drinking water into a 6X solution of homeopathic urine Aug 05 19:16
DaemonFC:)Aug 05 19:16
MinceRurine big trouble nowAug 05 19:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] [correct URL] We All Love The Bazaar Now - http://bit.ly/diJl5Q including those in marketing and PR, it seems #esr #bazaar #marketingAug 05 19:17
TechrightsBotTitle: Modern Marketing - Blog by Collaborate PR & Marketing: We All Love The Bazaar Now .::. Size~: 49.01 KBAug 05 19:17
oiaohmThere is a problem here.   Its part human nature to want natural products.   Yet lot of modern medical has forgotten the natural side leaving a hole for crap people.Aug 05 19:18
DaemonFCquacks band together and lobby clueless politicians who are neither doctors nor scientistsAug 05 19:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] do anybody know chrome url for echofon ? #firefox #extension ?Aug 05 19:20
oiaohmCorrect way to stop them is to allow natural but with medical data backing up usage.  DaemonFCAug 05 19:20
DaemonFCnopeAug 05 19:21
*MinceR chants "crap people"Aug 05 19:22
DaemonFCbest way to stop them is to borrow some AK-47s from MinceRstan and drag the quacks out into the street and shoot themAug 05 19:22
oiaohmProblem is they will be back.Aug 05 19:23
DaemonFCMinceR, I did have to stop and smile when I saw Stalin's BootsAug 05 19:23
DaemonFC:DAug 05 19:23
oiaohmRemember lot of quaks use to prescribe made up chemicals without medical data before that got regulated.Aug 05 19:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] FT Claims Paywalls Are Morally Necessary... And Then Shows How Immoral The FT Is http://dlvr.it/3RL48Aug 05 19:25
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DaemonFChttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Stalin%27s_Boots.jpgAug 05 19:25
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DaemonFChttp://www.flickr.com/photos/25212853@N00/2694123794/Aug 05 19:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Budapest Hungary - Stalin's Boots | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 107.24 KBAug 05 19:26
DaemonFCMinceR, Stalin spontaneously combustedAug 05 19:27
DaemonFCapparentlyAug 05 19:27
DaemonFCand Hungary erected a memorialAug 05 19:27
DaemonFC:DAug 05 19:27
ender2070ROFLMAOAug 05 19:28
ender2070schestowitz also has an oral constitutionAug 05 19:28
DaemonFCshe's your wicked step-queenAug 05 19:29
ender2070lolAug 05 19:29
DaemonFCI don't know what you're laughing aboutAug 05 19:29
ender2070shes the queenAug 05 19:29
ender2070not a step queenAug 05 19:29
DaemonFCshe loves schestowitz more than you :)Aug 05 19:29
ender2070yeah he doesnt diss the IMF or World Bank enoughAug 05 19:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to EN5radio ..... one of the DJ's is a friend of mine...... go Johno.... http://en5radio.com/Aug 05 19:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 200 Ok .::. Size~: 0 KBAug 05 19:30
DaemonFChmmmAug 05 19:31
DaemonFCwhen she kicks, you can like, vote for meAug 05 19:31
DaemonFCright?Aug 05 19:31
DaemonFCI'll be a good kingAug 05 19:31
DaemonFC:PAug 05 19:31
DaemonFCKing of CanadaAug 05 19:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Source Project Management with web2Project - http://bit.ly/aNwe9j not an area traditionally assocated with OSS #projectmanagementAug 05 19:31
DaemonFCbeats a kick in the assAug 05 19:31
TechrightsBotTitle:   Open Source Project Management with web2Project .::. Size~: 70.46 KBAug 05 19:31
DaemonFCwell, I'm going to go lay downAug 05 19:32
DaemonFCI may not be able to nap, but I can restAug 05 19:32
DaemonFCin between loud crashesAug 05 19:32
DaemonFCand drunken hicks up on the roof dropping shit on themselvesAug 05 19:33
DaemonFCidiotsAug 05 19:33
DaemonFCgahAug 05 19:33
DaemonFCender2070, It's people like them that make me want to have a "gun cleaning accident"Aug 05 19:33
DaemonFCyou know?Aug 05 19:33
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DaemonFC"Whoops, I guess there were like 11 bullets that I forget to take out"Aug 05 19:34
DaemonFC"And they all went off, by mistake!"Aug 05 19:34
DaemonFC:DAug 05 19:34
DaemonFCbblAug 05 19:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Yeah, #google talks #netneutrality, walks "some are more equal" as it seems: http://is.gd/e4BFzAug 05 19:38
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FurnaceBoysighAug 05 19:38
*FurnaceBoy rummages around for /ignoreAug 05 19:38
FurnaceBoyhttp://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/2010/07/19/ubuntu-timemachine-server-for-snow-leopardAug 05 19:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Talk Like A Duck : Ubuntu TimeMachine server for Snow Leopard  .::. Size~: 28.31 KBAug 05 19:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got my mention Live on EN5radio from John....and my request....."I fought the law"Aug 05 19:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] National conference on Free Software and education - September 10-12 http://post.ly/qPJAAug 05 19:41
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ender2070Prince Charles is nextAug 05 19:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @cdibona: "The NYT is ... wrong. We have not had any conversations with Verizon about paying for Google traffic" http://bit.ly/coVRXKAug 05 19:42
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ender2070i got some royal genesAug 05 19:43
FurnaceBoyw00tAug 05 19:43
ender2070too bad im likely millionth in lineAug 05 19:43
FurnaceBoyis it a job you even would want? did not do much for him.Aug 05 19:43
ender2070i would love to own the worldAug 05 19:43
ender2070thats my dreamAug 05 19:43
FurnaceBoyi was born into my role. being me. it's enough.Aug 05 19:43
FurnaceBoynobody gets to own the world, and certainly not one of the windsors :)Aug 05 19:44
ender2070thats what everyone thinks until they open a book for onceAug 05 19:45
oiaohmhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/04/gpl_violation_westinghouse/ guess already seen this.Aug 05 19:45
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ender2070people all over are brainwashed into thinking the queen just has a ceremonial titleAug 05 19:45
ender2070these people have never even glanced at the lawsAug 05 19:45
ender2070just repeating a piece of information they were told by someone elseAug 05 19:46
FurnaceBoyhehAug 05 19:46
FurnaceBoythis kind of ignorance is common, it's related to relevanceAug 05 19:46
FurnaceBoymost people don't give a hoot about politics, they just want to get laid, get drunk, get fed, and not get arrestedAug 05 19:47
ender2070they are still implementing plans thought up by John DeeAug 05 19:47
FurnaceBoyit's much easier just to watch some tv and think that it's all that's neededAug 05 19:47
ender2070such as free trade & 'most favoured nation status'Aug 05 19:47
oiaohmAgain it depends where ender2070Aug 05 19:48
FurnaceBoyoiaohm:  we can assume he means canadaAug 05 19:48
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: but you're not quite free of the Queen either :)Aug 05 19:48
ender2070at the very least CanadaAug 05 19:48
oiaohmAustralia the Queen powers are almost just ceremonial other than power to dismiss palarment.Aug 05 19:48
ender2070theres that word againAug 05 19:49
ender2070'ceremonial'Aug 05 19:49
FurnaceBoyLOLAug 05 19:49
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: it's an empty sentenceAug 05 19:49
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: 1975Aug 05 19:49
oiaohmEven then is the govergeneral.Aug 05 19:50
ender2070governor general = queenAug 05 19:50
oiaohmWho has the say on who goes in instead.Aug 05 19:50
oiaohmNot the queenAug 05 19:50
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: who is entirely the queen's creature.Aug 05 19:50
ender2070the queens repAug 05 19:50
oiaohmNopAug 05 19:50
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: nonsenseAug 05 19:50
oiaohmLegally no.Aug 05 19:50
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: the buck stops with teh Queen.Aug 05 19:50
ender2070they swear allegiance to the queen, they are her representativeAug 05 19:50
oiaohmGovergeneral has the right to refuse Queen orders.Aug 05 19:50
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: the GG cannot unilaterally act.Aug 05 19:51
oiaohmCan refuse to act.Aug 05 19:51
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: btw, what do you think happened in 1975?Aug 05 19:51
oiaohmCannot do own act correct FurnaceBoyAug 05 19:51
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: like any employee, if you refuse to follow orders, you will be replaced by someone who does not refuse. QEDAug 05 19:51
oiaohmNot really.Aug 05 19:51
FurnaceBoyyes, really.Aug 05 19:51
FurnaceBoythe G-G cannot block realpolitikAug 05 19:52
FurnaceBoythe idea is absurdAug 05 19:52
FurnaceBoyand realpolitik removed whitlamAug 05 19:52
oiaohmPalarment has to provide the person to be govergeneral FurnaceBoyAug 05 19:52
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: hahahaAug 05 19:52
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: come ON.Aug 05 19:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Airships: a second age http://bit.ly/c1xgYR I'd love it if they could come back in a big way. I've always liked airships.Aug 05 19:52
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oiaohmNo that is australian law.Aug 05 19:52
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: the role of the Queen is not 'ceremonial'. this is a myth.Aug 05 19:52
ender2070show usAug 05 19:52
oiaohmIt is possible for the complete system to lock up.Aug 05 19:52
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: why do you think Whitlam was removed, in truth?Aug 05 19:52
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: are you familiar with teh Harper government's two prorogations?Aug 05 19:53
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: who appoints teh G-G is immaterial to this.Aug 05 19:53
oiaohmYou are aware double dissolution was triggered in 1974 year before queen acted.  FurnaceBoyAug 05 19:57
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: yesAug 05 19:57
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: but WHYAug 05 19:58
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: Kerr could have refused the order, according to you.Aug 05 19:58
ender2070for example the G-G picked another PM in Canada, back in the 80'sAug 05 19:58
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: and why was the order given?Aug 05 19:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Europeans Realize Dream of a Single Charger for All Cellphones - http://bit.ly/afopNd US has to wait, absent that pesky gov meddlingAug 05 19:58
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oiaohmAnd what is the requrement when double dissolution happens.Aug 05 19:58
FurnaceBoyender2070: right, that's what we're discussing in Australian history, 1975Aug 05 19:58
oiaohmThe requirement is elections.Aug 05 19:58
oiaohmThat whitlam did not hold. FurnaceBoyAug 05 19:58
oiaohmSo 1 year latter by by.Aug 05 19:59
oiaohmBasically breach of constidution was 1975Aug 05 19:59
FurnaceBoyI'm about to read Paul Kelly's book on the dismissalAug 05 19:59
FurnaceBoydamn,it's humid here.Aug 05 19:59
FurnaceBoyender2070: you're in an a/c office?Aug 05 20:00
FurnaceBoyender2070: what an icky summer Aug 05 20:00
ender2070yeahAug 05 20:00
ender2070not officeAug 05 20:00
ender2070homeAug 05 20:00
oiaohmLot of books about it but a lot fail to cover the constution triggers.  FurnaceBoyAug 05 20:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @cdibona: 'The NYT is ... wrong. We have not had any conversations with Verizon about paying for Google traffic' http://bit.ly/coVRXKAug 05 20:00
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FurnaceBoyi'm drenched in liquidAug 05 20:00
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: have you read Kelly's?Aug 05 20:00
oiaohmLot of books play the queen as the bad guy.Aug 05 20:00
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: I'll let you know Aug 05 20:00
FurnaceBoyhehAug 05 20:00
FurnaceBoyTandberg famously played Kerr as the bad guy. :)Aug 05 20:00
FurnaceBoya drunk Kerr. :)Aug 05 20:01
oiaohmYepAug 05 20:01
oiaohmOr KerrAug 05 20:01
*FurnaceBoy loves TandbergAug 05 20:01
oiaohmits truelly unfair.Aug 05 20:01
FurnaceBoywe shall see. :)Aug 05 20:01
oiaohmConstuttions is constution.Aug 05 20:01
oiaohmAnd should be followed.Aug 05 20:01
oiaohmYou don't force stuff up get a double disallution then get to walk away.Aug 05 20:01
FurnaceBoy'should', hehe.Aug 05 20:01
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: who blocked supply?Aug 05 20:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] U.S. Department of Education includes OER in notice of proposed priorities for grant programs - http://bit.ly/9a62ZX getting there #oerAug 05 20:02
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oiaohmsenateAug 05 20:02
oiaohmThey are in there right to block supply FurnaceBoyAug 05 20:02
ender2070the queen is still your executive branchAug 05 20:03
oiaohmIt is something they are ment todo of they don't beleive in the bill.Aug 05 20:03
FurnaceBoyhow can the election simply be 'skipped' ?Aug 05 20:03
FurnaceBoyender2070: I agree totallyAug 05 20:03
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: wouldn't the correct thing be to force the election, not unilaterially appoint the opposition?Aug 05 20:03
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: I am not a lawyer, just asking.Aug 05 20:03
oiaohmWhitlam refused to prep for the election.Aug 05 20:04
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: Whitlam after all had a landslideAug 05 20:04
oiaohmopposition would.Aug 05 20:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Twidge, Shorten URL & Mustard http://micurl.com/Aug 05 20:04
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oiaohmAnd queen must use allready elected people were able.Aug 05 20:04
oiaohmSo yes hands tied.Aug 05 20:04
oiaohmSo really here Whitlam was the bad guy and he won.Aug 05 20:05
ender2070oiaohm - the only links you guys severed were that of the UKAug 05 20:05
ender2070not the queenAug 05 20:05
ender2070"These are the Statute of Westminster, as adopted by the Commonwealth in the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942, and the Australia Act 1986, which was passed in equivalent forms by the Parliaments of every Australian state, the United Kingdom, and the Australian Federal Parliament. Together, these Acts had the effect of severing all constitutional links between Australia and the United Kingdom. Even though the sameAug 05 20:05
ender2070person, Queen Elizabeth II, is the monarch of both countries, she acts in a distinct capacity as monarch of each."Aug 05 20:05
ender2070bamAug 05 20:06
oiaohmWe have not been able to work out how to get rid of queen and prevent a Whitlam action.Aug 05 20:06
oiaohmIe goverment getting a double disallution and not going to election.Aug 05 20:07
ender2070because you cantAug 05 20:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] It seems micURL isn't ste up right, so heres a working one http://bit.ly/c6xwStAug 05 20:08
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oiaohmThere have been many attempts to design a solution ender2070Aug 05 20:08
ender2070it will never happenAug 05 20:08
oiaohmAustralian public are in favor if not having english person at top.  ender2070Aug 05 20:09
oiaohmSo if a solution is ever designed that can work it could be taken.Aug 05 20:09
ender2070you have to follow her laws to try to get outAug 05 20:09
ender2070good luckAug 05 20:09
oiaohmWhat laws.  ender2070Aug 05 20:09
oiaohmQueen here has no powers to create or alter laws.Aug 05 20:10
ender2070really?Aug 05 20:10
ender2070where does it say thatAug 05 20:10
oiaohmAustralian constution.Aug 05 20:10
ender2070"Chapter I sets up the legislative branch of government, the Parliament of Australia, which consists of three constituent parts: The Sovereign (King or Queen) of Australia, who is represented by the Governor-General of Australia; the House of Representatives; and the Senate. Section 1 provides that legislative power is vested in this Parliament, which has paramount power of governance."Aug 05 20:11
oiaohmI had to read it all in year 6 and write a full report on the powers.Aug 05 20:12
ender2070"Chapter II sets up the executive branch of government. Executive power is to be exercised by the Governor-General, advised by the Federal Executive Council. Under this Chapter, the Governor-General is the commander in chief, and may appoint and dismiss the members of the Executive Council, ministers of state, and all officers of the executive government. These powers, along with the powers to dissolve (or refuse to Aug 05 20:12
ender2070dissolve) parliament (Section 5, Section 57), are termed "reserve powers", and their use is dictated by convention. Generally, the Governor-General acts only on the advice of the Prime Minister. There has been only one instance of the Governor-General acting outside the advice of the Prime Minister of the day, when Governor-General Sir John Kerr, acting on his own authority, dismissed Prime Minister Gough Whitlam in the Aug 05 20:12
ender20701975 Australian constitutional crisis."Aug 05 20:12
ender2070'Under this Chapter, the Governor-General is the commander in chief, and may appoint and dismiss the members of the Executive Council, ministers of state, and all officers of the executive government."Aug 05 20:12
ender2070you mentioned year 6Aug 05 20:12
ender2070school right?Aug 05 20:12
oiaohmYepAug 05 20:13
ender2070of course your indoctrination will agreeAug 05 20:13
oiaohmNopAug 05 20:13
ender2070i was taught in school the same stuff about the queen just being ceremonialAug 05 20:13
ender2070but in fact thats wrongAug 05 20:13
oiaohmyear 6 and 7 don't have any prescribed stuff on history.Aug 05 20:13
oiaohmYou are only reading small sections Aug 05 20:13
oiaohmTo use the powers the gover general did there are conditions that the wiki don't point to.Aug 05 20:14
ender2070"Section 68 states that the Command in chief of Australia's naval and military forces as being: "The command in chief of the naval and military forces of the Commonwealth is vested in the Governor General as the Queen's representative". The Commander in chief of the Australian Defence Force is therefore currently Her Excellency Quentin Bryce as the Governor General of Australia whilst the Queen of Australia is not in Aug 05 20:14
ender2070command of the military."Aug 05 20:14
ender2070she doesnt have to follow the conditions sirAug 05 20:15
ender2070its just a guidelineAug 05 20:15
ender2070not a lawAug 05 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @glynmoody iPhone 4 doesn't have microUSB AFAICS, will Apple bring new model? Or ignore EU regulation?Aug 05 20:15
oiaohmand out gover general has refused to follow queen with militray forcesAug 05 20:15
oiaohmWith backing of the primisiter.Aug 05 20:16
oiaohmQueen needs backing of both goverment and governer general to control forces.Aug 05 20:16
ender2070LOLAug 05 20:16
ender2070"The referendum bill must be put to the people by the Governor-General between two and six months after passing parliament. After the constitutional amendment bill has passed both the parliamentary stage and the referendum, it then receives Royal Assent from the Governor-General. When proclaimed, it will be in effect, and the wording of the Constitution will be changed."Aug 05 20:16
ender2070she can have her employee, the G-G do it thenAug 05 20:17
oiaohmNote alteration has to pass parliament.Aug 05 20:17
oiaohmIf queen trys to put out a alteration alone she cannot.Aug 05 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @jwildeboer article seems to suggest plausibly that Apple will have new model, and then roll out to US in due courseAug 05 20:18
oiaohmPowers are limited ender2070Aug 05 20:18
ender2070but she can block themAug 05 20:18
oiaohmNo she cannot.Aug 05 20:18
ender2070why notAug 05 20:18
ender2070they need her approval tooAug 05 20:18
ender2070she just decides not to approve it, and nothing gets doneAug 05 20:18
oiaohmNotice bill must be put before the people two to six months after passAug 05 20:19
ender2070it still has to passAug 05 20:19
oiaohmOnce people pass it most go in.Aug 05 20:19
oiaohmNote  Royal Assent from the Governor-GeneraAug 05 20:19
oiaohmQueen is not required there at all.Aug 05 20:19
oiaohmOnce passed no queen is used.Aug 05 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @cdibona: NY Times, couldn't you have considered emailing or calling? It's not like we don't reply to you guys.Aug 05 20:20
oiaohmOur consitution is completely outside the control of the queen.  ender2070Aug 05 20:20
ender2070http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/comlaw.nsf/440c19285821b109ca256f3a001d59b7/57dea3835d797364ca256f9d0078c087/$FILE/ConstitutionAct.pdfAug 05 20:20
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oiaohmYou have to read carefully.Aug 05 20:21
oiaohmRoyal Assent from the Governor-General is used alot.Aug 05 20:21
ThistleWeblol, I read that as "the constipation act" and thought it was a comedy routineAug 05 20:21
ender2070"Chapter VIII specifies the procedures for amending the Constitution. Section 128 provides that constitutional amendments must be approved by a referendum. Successful amendment requires:Aug 05 20:22
ender2070an absolute majority in both houses of the federal parliament; andAug 05 20:22
oiaohmEvery time that is used the item does not even have to be told to the queen.Aug 05 20:22
ender2070the approval in a referendum of the proposed amendment by a majority of electors nationwide, and a majority in a majority of states.Aug 05 20:22
oiaohmInstead the govergeneral can do it solo.Aug 05 20:22
ender2070keyword: both housesAug 05 20:22
ender2070the queen belongs to one of them does she not?Aug 05 20:22
oiaohmNo queen has no seat in any of our houses of goverment.Aug 05 20:23
ender2070shes in the executive branchAug 05 20:23
oiaohmIf she attents she must be in a guest seat.Aug 05 20:23
ThistleWebthe queen is pretty hands off in the UK too, even though she still has some powers, she'll never use them. She knows the only reason their gravy train exists is because she is benign and doesnt interfere, as soon as she does, the Monarchy will endAug 05 20:23
ender2070ThistleWeb - you're deluded tooAug 05 20:23
ThistleWebtechnically she can do stuff like take command of the military, over rulling the govt of the dayAug 05 20:23
oiaohmwe have 3 branchs.Aug 05 20:24
oiaohmQueen is not exactly executive.Aug 05 20:24
oiaohmSame with the govergenerals.Aug 05 20:24
ender2070these royal families don't run the world for over a thousand years and then become the 'good guys' and let us have rightsAug 05 20:24
oiaohmThere powers are purely rule enforcing.Aug 05 20:24
oiaohmIf you read deeper if you get 20 percent of the populations signatures you can push upa referendum bill without needing parlement approve here as well ender2070Aug 05 20:26
oiaohmBut getting that is kinda insane.Aug 05 20:26
ender2070if you think soAug 05 20:26
ender2070just wondering why australia keeps going along with everything the UN wantsAug 05 20:27
oiaohmEver noticed how australian war ships come back more heavly loaded then when they left.  ender2070Aug 05 20:27
oiaohmFrom most UN approved battles.Aug 05 20:28
oiaohmUSA suxs at holding onto there supplies. ender2070Aug 05 20:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Court Asks: If Fleeting Expletives Are Okay, How About Fleeting Nudity? http://dlvr.it/3RRGLAug 05 20:29
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oiaohmNot like Australia can afford to spend the money the USA does on there war machine.Aug 05 20:29
MinceR201908 < DaemonFC> MinceR, Stalin spontaneously combustedAug 05 20:29
MinceRor maybe he died like the CyberdemonAug 05 20:29
oiaohmAlso with local region Australia has done a lot against UN approval.Aug 05 20:30
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: how do we know Kerr acted on his own authority?Aug 05 20:30
ender2070Australia is even implementing the UN Agenda 21 program under another name, like everyone was told to do.Aug 05 20:30
ender2070they're going to burn people off their land to get them into citiesAug 05 20:30
FurnaceBoyender2070: it's clear the Queen is part of the problem, not part of the solution.Aug 05 20:30
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ender2070pretty guaranteedAug 05 20:32
oiaohmFurnaceBoy: Problem is the event should never have happened in the first place if whitlam followed the rules.Aug 05 20:32
oiaohmWhen the rules are broken bad things happen.Aug 05 20:33
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: maybe :) but that's tangential to this discussion of the queen's role and powers.Aug 05 20:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #Android Invasion Has Begun: 200K Droids Activated Daily http://tinyurl.com/37jhfyc Best of luck with that Windows Mobile #Microsoft !Aug 05 20:33
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oiaohmWhen queen has to step in to correct things Australia is basically allready in a legal mess.Aug 05 20:33
oiaohmAnd really the queen cannot step in before that.Aug 05 20:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- Climate Denial Crock of the Week - Heatwave Edition ... http://youtu.be/PLnJttkhDTM?aAug 05 20:34
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oiaohmWhitlam was trying to get queen to dismiss the senet and leave him in place FurnaceBoyAug 05 20:34
oiaohmThat was released in papers a few years back.  FurnaceBoyAug 05 20:34
oiaohmender2070: Who put up Agenda 21.Aug 05 20:36
oiaohmBe aware that before Agenda 21 was put up ender2070 most of it was already implemented here.Aug 05 20:36
oiaohmYes there is a reason why it has a different name here and its nothing todo with hiding it.  ender2070Aug 05 20:37
ender2070you need to read itAug 05 20:37
ender2070its implicationsAug 05 20:37
ender2070no personal vehicles or land is one of the major thingsAug 05 20:38
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: and I am sure Fraser was trying to get the G-G to dismissAug 05 20:39
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: so what!Aug 05 20:39
ender2070plus if you look up watershed, you'll be even more scaredAug 05 20:39
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: this is still tangential to a discussion of the QueenAug 05 20:39
FurnaceBoyender2070: 99 year lease from Crown. it's not yours anyway.Aug 05 20:39
oiaohmender2070: really we already don't own free hold land here anyhow.Aug 05 20:39
oiaohmNever have.Aug 05 20:39
FurnaceBoyender2070: (I am referring to AUstralian land)Aug 05 20:39
FurnaceBoyrightAug 05 20:39
FurnaceBoyi'd be surprised if you can in CanadaAug 05 20:40
oiaohmGoverment here can take it at any time for mining or mil usage.Aug 05 20:40
ender2070exactlyAug 05 20:40
ender2070they can take away your land to sell it to a corporationAug 05 20:40
oiaohmAlready done ender2070Aug 05 20:40
ender2070or other 'environmental' reasonsAug 05 20:40
oiaohmHappens daily here ender2070Aug 05 20:41
ender2070yeahAug 05 20:41
ender2070im aware of itAug 05 20:41
ender2070its bullshitAug 05 20:41
oiaohmAnd that goes back to when the britsh was in control too ender2070Aug 05 20:41
ender2070they want everyone in cities so they can be monitored more easilyAug 05 20:41
oiaohmThe personal vehicles one is not implemented here.Aug 05 20:42
ender2070it costs too much money to put cameras up in rural areasAug 05 20:42
oiaohmReally not ender2070Aug 05 20:42
ender2070the personal vehicles one will be implemented once they implement the oil shortage and start rationingAug 05 20:42
oiaohmNo ender2070Aug 05 20:42
oiaohmLast time there was rationing personal vehicles end up running on wood gas.Aug 05 20:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Can I haz for #android pad? So cool! http://is.gd/e4H77Aug 05 20:43
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oiaohmAnd there are still properities using it ender2070Aug 05 20:43
MinceR212241 < FurnaceBoy> ender2070: it's clear the Queen is part of the problem, not part of the solution.Aug 05 20:43
MinceR+1Aug 05 20:43
oiaohmJust oil is simpler and currenty cheaper.Aug 05 20:43
ender2070there will be environmental reasons used tooAug 05 20:44
oiaohmQueen becomes part the problem when everything screws up here.   Remember china is a democory.Aug 05 20:44
ender2070i bet youAug 05 20:44
FurnaceBoyender2070: also, if you live rurally, you can control your food supplyAug 05 20:44
MinceRinstead of a real democracy, they have a monarchy and are ruled by a foreigner :>Aug 05 20:44
FurnaceBoywell, you have a plutocracy ;)Aug 05 20:44
ender2070[15:36] <FurnaceBoy> ender2070: also, if you live rurally, you can control your food supplyAug 05 20:44
ender2070+1Aug 05 20:44
ender2070thats another reasonAug 05 20:44
oiaohmchina is a real democracy  MinceRAug 05 20:44
oiaohmYou have to remember that.Aug 05 20:45
MinceRafaik it actually isn'tAug 05 20:45
MinceRthe "communists" decide who gets to run in the electionsAug 05 20:45
oiaohmTerms are 70 years MinceRAug 05 20:45
ender2070china is a democracy in the same respect as everyone elseAug 05 20:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody that's why I declined to write books when offered to; books are the past, to an extent the present, but not the futureAug 05 20:45
oiaohmUnless dismissed MinceRAug 05 20:45
oiaohmSo mid term elections they can keep on dismissing people until they get the one they want.Aug 05 20:45
oiaohmYes its still a democracy but with really screwed up rules.Aug 05 20:46
ender2070its totalitarian with democracy 'on paper'Aug 05 20:46
MinceRwhere one of the parties decide who can even run on an election is not really democracyAug 05 20:46
ender2070you know Hitler was also electedAug 05 20:46
oiaohmYep.Aug 05 20:46
MinceRabsurdistan was similarAug 05 20:46
ender2070he used a terrorist attack to seize complete control of the governmentAug 05 20:46
oiaohmItems like Hitler and China are why we are still stuck with queen.Aug 05 20:47
ender2070they framed some homeless retarded guy of doing it and executed himAug 05 20:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] is there any account details xml ? list account number, name and other code. Android smartphone can exchange account number easily #ideaAug 05 20:48
MinceRit's funny how wikipedia lumps "constitutional" monarchies that have Royal Prerogative in with the constitutional monarchies that don'tAug 05 20:48
ender2070brbAug 05 20:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz well, they have a role, it's just differentAug 05 20:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Obnoxious Pentagon spokesperson issues formal threat against WikiLeaks: Destroy everything, or else http://cs.pn/aOxf0YAug 05 20:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Rdio Gaga: How Spotify’s Inferior Rival Is Playing America Like A Violin - http://tcrn.ch/9GUL0s sadly, I fear this is, er, spot-on #spotifyAug 05 20:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Now is a good time to send WikiLeaks all your money! http://bit.ly/cpxJWCAug 05 20:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Move to #Canada! Stuff just works! It's like the OS X of countries!"Aug 05 20:54
FurnaceBoyender2070: yep, early 20th C political hacks Aug 05 20:54
FurnaceBoyender2070: recycled in 2000sAug 05 20:54
FurnaceBoyender2070: guess what, still worksAug 05 20:55
FurnaceBoyender2070: Harper's in this zoneAug 05 20:55
MinceRif stuff just works in canada to the extent in osx, then remind me to never go to canadaAug 05 20:55
FurnaceBoyif you never tried either, then don't bother commenting :)Aug 05 20:55
MinceRs/in osx/it does &/Aug 05 20:55
MinceRi've tried osxAug 05 20:55
MinceRand i know that it's a steaming pile of shit with a lot of hype attached to itAug 05 20:55
FurnaceBoyuh-huhAug 05 20:56
MinceRit's even less usable than winblows since win95Aug 05 20:56
FurnaceBoyokay...Aug 05 20:56
MinceRit's also less configurableAug 05 20:56
FurnaceBoythat's why I switched to OS X from MacOS classic, I guess, and not XPAug 05 20:56
MinceRbecause you're a crApple fanboy?Aug 05 20:56
FurnaceBoyum, yeah. i also like to get shit done.Aug 05 20:56
MinceRbesides, the recent events at g20(?) make me not want to go to canada anywayAug 05 20:56
MinceRand how do you get "shit" done without any applications? :>Aug 05 20:57
FurnaceBoyMinceR: now THAT's true.Aug 05 20:57
FurnaceBoyMinceR: Harper is a p.o.s.Aug 05 20:57
MinceRand without any functionality in the few applications that do exist?Aug 05 20:57
MinceR"durr hurr our Lord Jobs made us remove this functionality because it confuses the user, derp derp"Aug 05 20:57
MinceRyou don't feel your intelligence insulted while you use osx, do you?Aug 05 20:58
FurnaceBoywhat insults my intelligence are crappy cell phone interfacesAug 05 20:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I notice the GNU Nazi's are still in full flow on Identi.ca, 'it's totally free, but ya gotta call it GNU or we'll cry'Aug 05 20:59
FurnaceBoythey're just AWFUL!Aug 05 20:59
FurnaceBoyand ugly!Aug 05 20:59
MinceRnone of my phones had those :)Aug 05 20:59
FurnaceBoywhat brand?Aug 05 20:59
MinceRsamsung, qtek, nokiaAug 05 20:59
FurnaceBoyi hate nokia's and motorola's, so far. nokia used to be ok, long agoAug 05 21:00
MinceRnow i've seen a siemens with a horrible interfaceAug 05 21:00
MinceRand a motorola that was just weirdAug 05 21:00
FurnaceBoywe should screenshot the worstAug 05 21:00
MinceRbut maybe i could get used to the latterAug 05 21:00
FurnaceBoya gallery of ridiculosityAug 05 21:00
ender2070thistleweb?Aug 05 21:00
MinceRwell, ok, the qtek had winmob5 which (like palmos5) needs a ton of helper apps to get the interface into a usable stateAug 05 21:00
MinceRbut at least it can be doneAug 05 21:00
ender2070'[thistleweb] I notice the GNU Nazi's are still in full flow on Identi.ca, 'it's totally free, but ya gotta call it GNU or we'll cry''Aug 05 21:00
MinceRsomehow the touch interface of s60 doesn't need such things to be usableAug 05 21:01
ender2070Windows Vista is pretty usableAug 05 21:02
MinceRcompared to osx, indeed it isAug 05 21:02
MinceRprobably it can even do xmouseAug 05 21:02
MinceR(if an extremely crap app like vs2005 doesn't deliberately break it, of course)Aug 05 21:03
ender2070i got a free copy of win server 2008 R2 enterprise at schoolAug 05 21:07
MinceRwas it shipped on discs?Aug 05 21:07
ender2070yesAug 05 21:07
ender2070fully licensed for personal/educational useAug 05 21:08
MinceRthat's useful, if you have a table that swaysAug 05 21:08
ender2070need it for my 70-622 examAug 05 21:08
MinceRthey also make nice frisbeesAug 05 21:09
MinceRand coastersAug 05 21:09
ender2070lolAug 05 21:09
ender2070i just run it virtualized for homeworkAug 05 21:10
MinceRwhat exam is that anyway?Aug 05 21:10
ender2070i have a portable drive my school providedAug 05 21:10
MinceR"Ruining server performance, security and availability 101"Aug 05 21:10
ender2070its for a microsoft certificationAug 05 21:10
MinceRewAug 05 21:10
ender2070so yesAug 05 21:10
MinceRwhat's that for?Aug 05 21:10
ender2070lolAug 05 21:10
MinceRhave you run out of toilet paper?Aug 05 21:11
ender2070MCITP (new version of MCSE)Aug 05 21:11
MinceRi wonder what it stands forAug 05 21:12
MinceRi know MCSE stands for Must Consult Someone ExperiencedAug 05 21:12
ender2070Microsoft Certified IT ProfessionalAug 05 21:12
MinceRor Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire ExpertAug 05 21:12
MinceRnah, that sounds like what the marketroids would say it meansAug 05 21:12
ender2070lol I heard of that latterAug 05 21:12
ender2070anyways im just glad im not paying for itAug 05 21:13
ender2070i wouldnt take it otherwiseAug 05 21:13
MinceRyou're still paying with your time and attentionAug 05 21:14
MinceR...and soulAug 05 21:14
ender2070lol yeahAug 05 21:14
ender2070im being indoctrinatedAug 05 21:14
ender2070at the same time though I find out why some of the stupid ideas are implementedAug 05 21:15
ender2070most of the stupid stuff comes from managing corporate client machinesAug 05 21:15
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schestowitz[19:28] <ender2070> schestowitz also has an oral constitutionAug 05 21:21
schestowitzHey, you're making fun of me whilst I'm at dinner with friends...Aug 05 21:21
FurnaceBoyhaAug 05 21:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Massive Censorship Of Digg Uncovered http://is.gd/e4Ka8 Looks well-researched.Aug 05 21:24
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ender2070:PAug 05 21:25
ender2070dont lie about VISTA7!! I loves itAug 05 21:25
yuhonghttp://techrights.org/2010/07/29/dumping-limo-for-android/#comment-96781Aug 05 21:26
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yuhongI think half the problem is in the carriers.Aug 05 21:26
FurnaceBoyyuhong: yoo-hooAug 05 21:27
yuhongWho depends on things like carrier locking.Aug 05 21:27
FurnaceBoyyuhong: ender2070 was just praising vista 7, and you drop in. Coincidence?!Aug 05 21:27
yuhongNope.Aug 05 21:27
yuhongYes, actually.Aug 05 21:27
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 05 21:28
yuhongI was in fact going to discuss another topic.Aug 05 21:28
yuhongCompletely unrelated.Aug 05 21:28
FurnaceBoyhow do u feel about google vs net neutrality?Aug 05 21:28
yuhongHasn't done much research, but I agree about net neutrality,Aug 05 21:29
yuhongHasn't done much research, but I agree about net neutrality.Aug 05 21:29
FurnaceBoygoogle made some movesAug 05 21:29
FurnaceBoyagainst itAug 05 21:29
yuhongBut what I was really going to discuss:Aug 05 21:29
yuhonghttp://techrights.org/2010/07/29/dumping-limo-for-android/#comment-96781Aug 05 21:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @cdibona: 'The NYT is ... wrong. We have not had any conversations with Verizon about paying for Google traffic' http://bit.ly/coVRXKAug 05 21:30
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yuhongI like Vista so far BTW, it is slow sometimes, but often it is really Firefox at fault.Aug 05 21:31
yuhongAnd hopefully you have seen it when I quoted from Ars on why sticking with XP is not a good idea.Aug 05 21:32
yuhongBut that is a different topic.Aug 05 21:32
MinceRindeed, sticking with winblows is not a good ideaAug 05 21:32
yuhongAnd hopefully you have seen it when I quoted from Ars on why sticking with XP forever is not a good idea.Aug 05 21:32
yuhongBut that is a different topic.Aug 05 21:32
MinceRvista/vista7 is a great opportunity to upgrade to GNU/Linux.Aug 05 21:33
yuhongBut that is a different topic.Aug 05 21:33
MinceRdrivers are incompatible, apps are incompatible, users have to relearn everything anywayAug 05 21:33
MinceRand vista/vista7 is even crappier than xpAug 05 21:33
MinceRso everything's there for an upgrade to GNU/Linux.Aug 05 21:34
yuhongMany drivers are compatible, apps are compatible, users don't have to relearn everything unlike say Office 2007.Aug 05 21:34
MinceRyay, many areAug 05 21:34
yuhongAnd it's new ribbon UI.Aug 05 21:34
FurnaceBoyMinceR++Aug 05 21:34
MinceRlol @ the ribbonAug 05 21:34
MinceRtypical m$ "innovation"Aug 05 21:34
MinceRshiny, useless, gets in the wayAug 05 21:35
yuhongDifferent matter, though.Aug 05 21:35
yuhongI knowAug 05 21:35
MinceRthe drawbacks of both the toolbar and the menu with the advantages of neither.Aug 05 21:35
yuhongBack on topic.Aug 05 21:35
MinceRand yes, users do have to relearnAug 05 21:35
MinceRalso, businesses will have to rewrite their ie6-only webapps :>Aug 05 21:35
MinceRthere was a topic?Aug 05 21:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz but note http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704741904575409681794467768.html?mod=WSJ_Tech_LEFTTopNewsAug 05 21:36
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yuhongA few things, but XP and Vista aren't that different, even the start menu isn't that different.Aug 05 21:36
yuhongIE6 only webapps, yes I know.Aug 05 21:36
MinceRisn't that different... except the shutdown options are completely fucked up, for exampleAug 05 21:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz "Google spokeswoman declined to comment while Verizon spokesman said the companies have wor … http://identi.ca/notice/45180956Aug 05 21:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin #Android Invasion Has Begun: 200K Droids Activated Daily http://tinyurl.com/37jhfyc Best of luck with that Windows Mobile !Aug 05 21:37
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MinceRand ambiguously-colored button does suspend, the rest is hidden in a menu under a tiny tiny buttonAug 05 21:37
MinceRvery ergonomic, i must sayAug 05 21:37
yuhongYes, I know. Luckily it is easy to change the default.Aug 05 21:37
MinceRyesAug 05 21:37
MinceRa debian install disc fixes it allAug 05 21:37
MinceR:>Aug 05 21:37
MinceR"use entire disk"Aug 05 21:37
yuhongNope.Aug 05 21:38
yuhongWas that a joke?Aug 05 21:38
MinceRnot reallyAug 05 21:38
MinceRwinblows is a jokeAug 05 21:38
MinceRand your advertisements of m$ products are jokesAug 05 21:38
MinceRstopping to put up with the crap and leaving toy OS-es behind is not a jokeAug 05 21:38
MinceRbut we can do it with a smile and a few laughs.Aug 05 21:38
yuhongBack on topic.Aug 05 21:38
MinceRthere was a topic?Aug 05 21:38
yuhongYes.Aug 05 21:39
MinceRinteresting.Aug 05 21:39
yuhongI think they have changed the default for the shutdown in 7.Aug 05 21:39
MinceRyes, they probably fixed a few bugs and left a few million.Aug 05 21:39
MinceRas is business as usualAug 05 21:40
yuhongPersonally on Vista I have always got in the habit of using the menu invoked in the arrow..Aug 05 21:40
yuhongI think they fixed more than a few bugs.Aug 05 21:40
MinceRi wonder if vista7 still claims that some application is using your removable drive even after you've closed all appsAug 05 21:40
MinceRlike vista didAug 05 21:40
yuhongI don't think so, but I will look it up, I encountered it a few times on Vista myself, usually relating to Explorer windows I can easily close.Aug 05 21:41
MinceR223230 < MinceR> i wonder if vista7 still claims that some application is using your removable drive even after you've closed all appsAug 05 21:41
MinceRexploiter is an application.Aug 05 21:41
yuhongYes, the shell.Aug 05 21:41
MinceRif all of its folder windows are closed then exploder isn't supposed to hold its slimy mitts on any directories or files.Aug 05 21:42
MinceRif it does, it's a piece of shit that needs to be killed with fire and then replacedAug 05 21:42
MinceRexcept that replacing the shell on winblows is always an ordealAug 05 21:42
FurnaceBoynote, everyone, tomorrow is Hiroshima Day (Aug 6)Aug 05 21:42
MinceRbecause applications aren't written to deal with itAug 05 21:42
yuhongOf course.Aug 05 21:42
MinceRthat is, if they even allow you to do it stillAug 05 21:42
MinceRsomehow on GNU/Linux i can replace most parts of most DEs without troubleAug 05 21:43
*handheldcar (~x@r75-110-24-232.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) has left #boycottnovellAug 05 21:43
yuhongBut the problem was that Vista Explorer did not automatically close the Explorer windows, while XP did.Aug 05 21:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Tomorrow's #Hiroshima Day.Aug 05 21:43
yuhongI think it is fixed in 7.Aug 05 21:43
MinceRit didn't have to close the windows because i closed themAug 05 21:43
MinceRlike i saidAug 05 21:43
yuhongYes, and I have done a safely remove hardware successfully under Vista in this case.Aug 05 21:44
yuhongPersonally.Aug 05 21:44
MinceRdid you have champagne ready for such a rare occasion?Aug 05 21:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer thanks. Added.Aug 05 21:45
yuhongNo.,Aug 05 21:45
MinceRwhat a pityAug 05 21:46
schestowitzyuhong: how's Vista 7?Aug 05 21:46
schestowitzLiking it so far?Aug 05 21:46
*schestowitz has sliced breadAug 05 21:46
MinceRand how many cores does DRM eat? :>Aug 05 21:46
yuhongHadn't upgraded and probably won't.Aug 05 21:46
schestowitzyuhong: is it better than sliced bread?Aug 05 21:46
MinceRstill on less bad old XP?Aug 05 21:46
yuhongNope.Aug 05 21:46
schestowitzMinceR: hardcore DRM?Aug 05 21:47
MinceRi see you like hardcore torture.Aug 05 21:47
MinceRschestowitz: indeed.Aug 05 21:47
schestowitzbeta you to itAug 05 21:47
yuhongMinceR: Nothing if it isn't used.Aug 05 21:47
MinceRnah, it never reached beta qualityAug 05 21:47
MinceRand never willAug 05 21:47
schestowitz*beatAug 05 21:47
yuhongMinceR: Nothing if it isn't used, which I don't.Aug 05 21:47
yuhongMinceR: Nothing if DRM isn't used, which I don't.Aug 05 21:48
schestowitzDrrAreAmAug 05 21:48
MinceRor so you think.Aug 05 21:48
yuhongI don't even have a Blu-Ray drive.Aug 05 21:48
yuhongI am still on Vista.Aug 05 21:48
schestowitzDRUMAug 05 21:48
schestowitzyuhong: you can get a vista for itAug 05 21:48
schestowitzsp7Aug 05 21:48
MinceRHURR DURR-MAug 05 21:48
schestowitz*vista foxAug 05 21:49
schestowitz*fix evenAug 05 21:49
schestowitzVista HAARP EditionAug 05 21:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Beach Boys Make Ridiculous Copyright Claim Over Katy Perry's California Gurls http://dlvr.it/3RY8KAug 05 21:49
MinceRrupert murdoch's winblows vista version?Aug 05 21:49
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schestowitzMurdoch likes hypePadAug 05 21:49
schestowitzhe glorifies it cause it makes artificial scarcitiesAug 05 21:50
MinceRhow wouldn't he? it's so amerikkkanAug 05 21:50
yuhongJust normal home premium is what I am running, and I don't plan to change. 32-bit BTW.Aug 05 21:50
schestowitzMinceR: inherited from AussieAug 05 21:50
schestowitzImagine that...Aug 05 21:50
yuhongOEM preinstalled back in 2007, BTW.Aug 05 21:50
schestowitzThe British sent convicts there.Aug 05 21:50
MinceRit's the manifestation of the New American Dream: getting rich by scamming masses of idiotsAug 05 21:50
schestowitzAnd Murdoch got exiled from there tooAug 05 21:50
MinceRyuhong: sucks to be you. the preinstalled vista i got came with an upgrade option to xp. :>Aug 05 21:51
MinceRand even that i boot less than once a monthAug 05 21:51
schestowitzIt's like being sent to downstairs facility in ALcatraz... but he's doing more damage nowAug 05 21:51
yuhongYes, I know, but I don't plan to downgrade to XP nor upgrade to 7.Aug 05 21:51
schestowitz /downgrade/upgrade/Aug 05 21:51
MinceR+1Aug 05 21:52
yuhongOnly Vista Business came with that option, BTW.Aug 05 21:52
schestowitz /upgade/patchAug 05 21:52
MinceRindeed.Aug 05 21:52
yuhongDon't think 7 is just a patch.Aug 05 21:52
yuhongBut anyway:Aug 05 21:52
MinceR7 is a service packAug 05 21:52
yuhonghttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/07/xp-fans-get-reprieve-in-form-of-downgrade-rights-extension.arsAug 05 21:52
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schestowitzIt comes with a nw 'app'Aug 05 21:52
yuhongIt isn't.Aug 05 21:52
MinceRvista->xp is an upgradeAug 05 21:52
schestowitzDeskbarAug 05 21:52
schestowitzIt has some other artwork tooAug 05 21:52
MinceRok, it's a service pack with a new skin.Aug 05 21:52
MinceRsatisfied?Aug 05 21:52
schestowitzIt can virtualise XP *LOL*Aug 05 21:52
yuhongMore than that.Aug 05 21:53
schestowitzWhat's new in it?Aug 05 21:53
schestowitzYou tell usAug 05 21:53
MinceR"now how much would you pay?"Aug 05 21:53
MinceRoh, i rememberAug 05 21:53
MinceRUAC is even less secureAug 05 21:53
MinceRthat wouldn't be part of an SP, would it?Aug 05 21:53
MinceRwho knows...Aug 05 21:53
yuhongYes, but they had to solve a tricky problem.Aug 05 21:53
schestowitzWhich   they createdAug 05 21:53
MinceRand which they didn't solveAug 05 21:53
schestowitzcome over to GNUAug 05 21:53
schestowitzIt's safer hereAug 05 21:53
schestowitzWe're never been in war with EurasiaAug 05 21:54
yuhongNot entirely MS;s fault actually.Aug 05 21:54
yuhongNot entirely MS's fault actually.Aug 05 21:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: eheheAug 05 21:54
MinceRnah, the FSF doesn't pay for "evangelization"Aug 05 21:54
MinceRhe would starveAug 05 21:54
yuhongBut yes, frustrating.Aug 05 21:54
MinceRyuhong: yes, it's partly IBM's faultAug 05 21:54
yuhongNope, not IBM anymore than other ISV.Aug 05 21:54
MinceRfor letting m$ get its hands on the PC OS market at all.Aug 05 21:54
schestowitzIBM is behind everythingAug 05 21:54
schestowitzMicrosoftAug 05 21:54
schestowitzThe HolocaustAug 05 21:54
schestowitzThe mainframeAug 05 21:54
MinceRwithout that, we'd be decades ahead in technological advancementAug 05 21:54
yuhongNot what I am referring to.Aug 05 21:55
schestowitzFlorian's bad meal..Aug 05 21:55
MinceRbut we got m$ and they almost killed the IT industryAug 05 21:55
yuhongNot what I am referring to, sorry.Aug 05 21:55
MinceRwhich is of course what [almost] all of our tech relies onAug 05 21:55
yuhongAnyway, remember the quote I mentioned, it came from this:Aug 05 21:55
yuhonghttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/07/xp-fans-get-reprieve-in-form-of-downgrade-rights-extension.arsAug 05 21:55
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schestowitzXP fans?Aug 05 21:56
schestowitzLOLAug 05 21:56
schestowitzWho wrote that?Aug 05 21:56
MinceRyes, m$ has been so far unable to come up with an OS that's newer than XP but doesn't suck harder than itAug 05 21:56
schestowitzEmil or Bright?Aug 05 21:56
schestowitzLet's see..Aug 05 21:56
MinceRsome clueless journalists call the users "fans"Aug 05 21:56
schestowitz"Peter Bright"Aug 05 21:56
schestowitzOf course!Aug 05 21:56
MinceReven though "prisoner" or "hostage" would be closer to the truthAug 05 21:56
yuhongIt has some of what is new in 7, including XSAVE support.Aug 05 21:56
schestowitz"XP fans"Aug 05 21:56
schestowitzI can imagine them buying XP t-shirts... a decade lateAug 05 21:56
MinceRyay, finally support from yet another random jumble of 3 to 6 charactersAug 05 21:57
schestowitzPeter's projection... "XP fans..." gimme a breakAug 05 21:57
MinceReven though it comes without a 2-digit number at the endAug 05 21:57
MinceRthe marketroids must have been slacking offAug 05 21:57
MinceRanyway, which 80's tech did m$ rename this time?Aug 05 21:57
yuhongBut the quote I was mentioning:Aug 05 21:57
yuhong"Moreover, the wisdom of buying new hardware just to run Windows XP is increasingly questionable. Microsoft is not going to decide one day that every post-Windows XP operating system was a grave error, and is not going to undo all the changes in those operating systems that cause software and device driver incompatibility. The company has moved on. Going forward, the compatibility situation...Aug 05 21:57
schestowitzMicrosofyt talking pojnt:Aug 05 21:57
yuhong...is only going to get worse: new technology like USB3 and LightPeak will become mainstream, new processor extensions such as Intel's AVX will start to gain traction, and even hard disks might start to forfeit Windows XP compatibility.Aug 05 21:57
yuhong"Moreover, the wisdom of buying new hardware just to run Windows XP is increasingly questionable. Microsoft is not going to decide one day that every post-Windows XP operating system was a grave error, and is not going to undo all the changes in those operating systems that cause software and device driver incompatibility. The company has moved on. Going forward, the compatibility situation...Aug 05 21:57
yuhong...is only going to get worse: new technology like USB3 and LightPeak will become mainstream, new processor extensions such as Intel's AVX will start to gain traction, and even hard disks might start to forfeit Windows XP compatibility."Aug 05 21:57
schestowitzPeople use XP cause they love itAug 05 21:57
MinceRi'd kickban for that floodAug 05 21:57
yuhongAgreed on that matter.Aug 05 21:57
schestowitzNot because their apps cease to workAug 05 21:57
MinceRhaven't you heard of pastebin?Aug 05 21:57
schestowitzThey are "Fans"Aug 05 21:58
yuhongEven 7 fans has to use XP sometimes.Aug 05 21:58
schestowitzBuzz marketingAug 05 21:58
MinceRyes, because vista[7] still doesn't support some of their hw and appsAug 05 21:58
yuhongYes.Aug 05 21:58
MinceRthe only thing winblows held its users hostage was support for hw and appsAug 05 21:58
MinceRnow it's losing bothAug 05 21:58
yuhongLook at the comments for example.Aug 05 21:58
MinceRyet m$ expect to sell that crapAug 05 21:58
yuhongMinceR: Not completelyAug 05 21:59
MinceRridiculousAug 05 21:59
MinceRyes, i know, 2 ICs from that junk over there received vista[7] driversAug 05 21:59
MinceRyay for themAug 05 21:59
schestowitzridiculouxpAug 05 21:59
yuhongBut yes if you look at the comments, there are indeed many who are in that situation.Aug 05 21:59
schestowitzThose are Windows commentsAug 05 21:59
schestowitzPeople who read Emil's and Peters' blog are there to promote WindowsAug 05 22:00
yuhongBut Vista did not achieve perfect compatiblity with XP, nor will 7.Aug 05 22:00
schestowitzI know many WIndows usersAug 05 22:00
schestowitzNone of them would read Windows blogsAug 05 22:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Friend's daughter ate some cat food. Relax, it's undoubtedly much better for her than #McDonalds.Aug 05 22:00
yuhongReally?Aug 05 22:00
schestowitzIt's like people in Manchester reading the city council's blogAug 05 22:00
yuhongIt is why there is XP mode.Aug 05 22:00
MinceRwhich is a joke in a jokeAug 05 22:00
MinceRm$ is very metaAug 05 22:01
yuhongWhy it is a joke?Aug 05 22:01
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: these days we feed animals even cornAug 05 22:01
yuhongHardware?Aug 05 22:01
schestowitzCause it's subsidisedAug 05 22:01
MinceRiirc it doesn't work nearly as well as real virtualization solutionsAug 05 22:01
schestowitzEven though it's very bad for themAug 05 22:01
MinceRit's also an admission of failureAug 05 22:01
schestowitz'Animal' food  of many times is good for us tooAug 05 22:01
MinceRit's also something you can do better on GNU/LinuxAug 05 22:01
yuhongYes, off-topic though.Aug 05 22:01
schestowitzSame element within it, fatty acids, amino acids, carbs, vitamins, minerals, and waterAug 05 22:02
yuhongBack on topic.Aug 05 22:02
MinceRending up being able to run winxp apps better on GNU/Linux than on vista[7]Aug 05 22:02
MinceRwhich is ridiculous.Aug 05 22:02
schestowitzMdDonals has GMO crap AFAIKAug 05 22:02
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:02
yuhongBack on topic.Aug 05 22:02
schestowitzMercola!Aug 05 22:02
schestowitzMehAug 05 22:02
schestowitzSince you're his fanAug 05 22:02
yuhongMS do try hard to ensure compatiblity with XP.Aug 05 22:02
MinceRyes, i'm sure, they keep trying very hardAug 05 22:02
yuhongYes, I am a fan of Mercola.Aug 05 22:02
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/aspartame-health-risks_b_668692.htmlAug 05 22:02
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MinceRit's just that they're mentally retardedAug 05 22:02
yuhongYes, and it often do work.Aug 05 22:03
MinceRand have no idea of engineeringAug 05 22:03
yuhongReally?Aug 05 22:03
schestowitzNo sourceAug 05 22:03
MinceRonly marketing and how to ban potential competitors from the marketsAug 05 22:03
schestowitzThat's why it won't runAug 05 22:03
schestowitzAnd x86 onlyAug 05 22:03
yuhongReally?Aug 05 22:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Can somebody hook together some kind of Markovian random text generator and replace Palin with it?Aug 05 22:03
MinceRand how to leverage existing monopolies to get news onesAug 05 22:03
MinceRs/ws/w/Aug 05 22:03
MinceRyesAug 05 22:03
yuhongReally?Aug 05 22:03
MinceRyes, reallyAug 05 22:03
MinceRit's all they've ever doneAug 05 22:03
yuhongReally?Aug 05 22:03
yuhongEvidence please.Aug 05 22:03
MinceRgo read some PC historyAug 05 22:04
yuhongYes, I did, and I know.Aug 05 22:04
MinceRat least you won't be repeating sentences like a broken record while you learnAug 05 22:04
yuhongBut that proves it?Aug 05 22:04
MinceRapparently you don't knowAug 05 22:04
yuhongI know.Aug 05 22:04
MinceRyou keep wondering about facts of historyAug 05 22:04
MinceRas if you haven't heard of themAug 05 22:04
yuhongI am indeed sorry about the whole DR-IBM fiasco.Aug 05 22:04
yuhongFor example.Aug 05 22:04
MinceRthen you perhaps have an idea what i'm talking aboutAug 05 22:04
schestowitzSOrry?Aug 05 22:04
yuhongBut that don't prove it.Aug 05 22:04
schestowitzWhat is this, PR?Aug 05 22:04
MinceRdespite countless repetitions of "Really?"Aug 05 22:04
MinceRyes, nothing proves it everAug 05 22:05
MinceRto youAug 05 22:05
MinceRm$ has developed its own version of the RDFAug 05 22:05
yuhongReally, evidence?Aug 05 22:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Markov wouldn't scribble on his hand to make a legible chainAug 05 22:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@0r3z Don't confuse #Canada with our fascist @PMHarper. That would be an error on the order of confusing the #USA with #Obama.Aug 05 22:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Conservative Digg Cabal Uncovered: http://digg.com/d31Yz7B?t #diggAug 05 22:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz What was your PhD in, btw? :DAug 05 22:05
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MinceRthey couldn't manage to project it into so many minds as crAppleAug 05 22:05
yuhongOf course not.Aug 05 22:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you can answer me here :DAug 05 22:06
schestowitzToo lateAug 05 22:06
FurnaceBoylolAug 05 22:06
yuhongMS is completely incompetent at engineering was what I am referring to, I don't think that is true. I know about PC history.Aug 05 22:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Medical BiophysicsAug 05 22:06
schestowitzRon Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul Aug 05 22:06
MinceRRun Paul, Run!Aug 05 22:06
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:06
schestowitzRand PaulAug 05 22:06
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:06
schestowitzRand(Paul)Aug 05 22:06
schestowitz> Rand(Paul)Aug 05 22:07
schestowitzRon PaulAug 05 22:07
yuhongBack on topic, MS did try hard to ensure compatiblity with XP.Aug 05 22:07
schestowitz> Rand(Paul)Aug 05 22:07
MinceRyuhong: if they're somewhat competent at engineering then how come every single product that comes out of m$ is completely ridden with design flaws and implementation flaws?Aug 05 22:07
schestowitzPaulson ERROR(R). Data corrutpAug 05 22:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz that's pretty awesomeAug 05 22:07
MinceRwhy is that i keep wondering how could they fuck up this hard every time i'm forced to use their products?Aug 05 22:07
yuhongReally, "completely ridden".Aug 05 22:07
yuhongI know some.Aug 05 22:07
MinceRwhy is that they keep surprising me with completely stupid flaws everywhere?Aug 05 22:07
schestowitzThey are not flawsAug 05 22:07
schestowitzThese are featuresAug 05 22:07
yuhongYes, I know some too.Aug 05 22:07
yuhongSometimes too.Aug 05 22:08
MinceRwhy is that they hire someone who had some idea of OS design and then fuck up his design with insane ideas?Aug 05 22:08
_Goblinso that you will buy the upgrade with the promise of it being better.Aug 05 22:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MT @dmataconis You're a fool @seanhannity if u don't recognize that US policy in ME is [lever behind terrorism] //policy worldwide actuallyAug 05 22:08
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schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/node/5360Aug 05 22:08
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MinceRwhy is that a group of people whom m$ disparages as "just some hobbyists" produces way better quality than m$ could even dream of?Aug 05 22:08
MinceRwithout billions of dollars behind them?Aug 05 22:09
schestowitzNo billionsAug 05 22:09
_Goblinbecause Microsoft won't make money out of reliable software that lasts for years.Aug 05 22:09
schestowitzDevelopers in Asia don't have billionsAug 05 22:09
schestowitz~1000 people develop OfficeAug 05 22:09
schestowitzMany in places like IndiaAug 05 22:09
schestowitzThe margins go to coffersAug 05 22:09
schestowitzOf very few people, bankers tooAug 05 22:09
schestowitzVCsAug 05 22:09
MinceRwhy is that we keep seeing anticompetitive practices from m$ all the time instead of product quality?Aug 05 22:09
MinceR_Goblin: then their business model sucks and has to be replaced.Aug 05 22:10
MinceRor they have to be lynchedAug 05 22:10
MinceRthousands (millions?) of people don't deserve to suffer just because bill and steve couldn't come up with a better business modelAug 05 22:10
_GoblinMinceR: I think maybe just learn to play fair....Aug 05 22:10
MinceRhm, our drive-by troll is exhausted and leftAug 05 22:10
MinceRi think they had their opportunities to learn how to play fairAug 05 22:11
MinceRit's clear that they have no intention to do soAug 05 22:11
MinceReven if it costs others a lot of money and sufferingAug 05 22:11
MinceRi don't see why we have to endure thisAug 05 22:11
MinceRwhy m$ has the "freedom" to do thisAug 05 22:11
_Goblinthe problem is.....Aug 05 22:11
MinceRthe problem is that assholes in suits rule the planetAug 05 22:11
_Goblinthe average jo who funds the Microsoft effort really doesn't care....Aug 05 22:11
_Goblinthe average user who buys a Windows PC without question because thats their "Norm"Aug 05 22:12
MinceRthen the average user shouldn't get to influence the marketAug 05 22:12
MinceRi don't want Joe Average with his 2 brain cells decide what OS i get to use on my PCAug 05 22:13
_Goblinof course they are brainwashed...but the average jo uses the computer as a tool....they have no interest in FOSS, Src, or anything else....Aug 05 22:13
_Goblinits a means to an end...Aug 05 22:13
MinceRso they insist on using something as a tool that's incapable of acting as a toolAug 05 22:13
MinceRonly as a hindranceAug 05 22:13
_Goblinyep...because they don't know any better....or any otherAug 05 22:13
_Goblinand have no interest to learnAug 05 22:13
schestowitz[22:11] <MinceR> the problem is that assholes in suits rule the planetAug 05 22:14
schestowitzit rewards ruthlessness, stillAug 05 22:14
MinceRthen perhaps people with brains should be ruthless tooAug 05 22:14
schestowitzI just had a long chat about it with a friend, we've come to the conclusion that he now agrees with me on Bill GatesAug 05 22:14
MinceRwho would miss gate$ or ballmer?Aug 05 22:14
_GoblinTrying to get an average jo interested would be like trying to get RMS to encourage the use of Mono.Aug 05 22:15
schestowitzJoanne?Aug 05 22:15
MinceRbtw the situation would be a lot better if antitrust laws would actually be enforcedAug 05 22:15
MinceRand that has nothing to do with what OS Joe Average buysAug 05 22:16
_Goblinagreed....and instead of the EU looking at browsers it should have looked at OEM.Aug 05 22:16
MinceRit depends on what gangsters he votes into the governmentAug 05 22:16
schestowitzMinceR: they're relishAug 05 22:16
MinceREU should have looked at bothAug 05 22:16
MinceRand grown a pairAug 05 22:16
_Goblintrue.Aug 05 22:16
schestowitzMinceR: Neelie?Aug 05 22:16
MinceRmaybe banned m$ from receiving payment for their crapwareAug 05 22:16
schestowitzThe Commission is too weakAug 05 22:17
schestowitzEsp. nowAug 05 22:17
MinceRand it doesn't act in the interest of the member statesAug 05 22:17
MinceRit serves jesuslandian megacorpsAug 05 22:17
schestowitzMicrosoft build an army of daemonisers against itAug 05 22:17
MinceRthe EU would have been a good idea of it was under control of its membersAug 05 22:17
MinceRbut it isn'tAug 05 22:17
MinceRso it's time to disband itAug 05 22:17
schestowitzExcept Opera, EU's decision was helpful to US companiesAug 05 22:17
*yuhong (~chatzilla@pool-96-253-143-208.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovellAug 05 22:18
schestowitzSo it's about competition, not EUAug 05 22:18
MinceRand the troll is backAug 05 22:18
schestowitzOh gawdAug 05 22:18
MinceRafter a little restAug 05 22:18
MinceRa little prayer to ballmerAug 05 22:18
yuhongBasically eating lunch BTW>Aug 05 22:18
schestowitzMecca-wardAug 05 22:18
MinceRreading of scripture from m$dnAug 05 22:18
_GoblinI think things will change slowly, with users migrating away in their own time with the plethora of alternatives....I credit firefox with the beginning of the awakening.Aug 05 22:18
schestowitzyuhong:just joking :-)Aug 05 22:18
yuhongYes, I do read MSDN a lot.Aug 05 22:18
MinceRi used to read it back when it was a toss-up whether IIS would even bother replying to my queryAug 05 22:19
schestowitz_Goblin: Fox worshipping :-)Aug 05 22:19
schestowitz >> ...I credit firefox with the beginning of the awakening.Aug 05 22:19
MinceRit really showed m$'s ability at developing server swAug 05 22:19
_Goblinlol...Aug 05 22:19
MinceR(none)Aug 05 22:19
_Goblincrap filmAug 05 22:19
_Goblinpsuedo religious nonsense....Aug 05 22:19
yuhongBut back on topic, MS do try hard to maintain compatiblity with XP.Aug 05 22:19
yuhongAnd often it do work.Aug 05 22:19
schestowitz[22:19] <yuhong> But back on topic, MS do try hard to maintain compatiblity with XP.Aug 05 22:19
schestowitzNoAug 05 22:19
_Goblinyeah like XPM for 7....lolAug 05 22:20
MinceRi'm sure they say they try hard at engineeringAug 05 22:20
schestowitzThat's not the topic you see?Aug 05 22:20
MinceRit just isn't working outAug 05 22:20
schestowitzThat's where you're wrongAug 05 22:20
MinceRthey should do what every reasonable person does in such a caseAug 05 22:20
_GoblinI heard Wine had more compliance than XPM....Aug 05 22:20
MinceRthat is, try doing something else, see if you're good at something at allAug 05 22:20
yuhongDaemonFC discussed it before with me.Aug 05 22:20
_GoblinXPM couldn't even handle a DX app.Aug 05 22:20
FurnaceBoyMinceR: notice how NT made a clean sweep of server rooms, sweeping all before itAug 05 22:20
schestowitzwhat does VIsta 7 that XP won't?Aug 05 22:20
schestowitzWhat _of value_?Aug 05 22:20
yuhongYes, XPM is targeted at business only for that reason.Aug 05 22:20
_GoblinCost more.....require higher specs...Aug 05 22:21
MinceRi can think of a career even m$ personnel and management could do pretty well and benefit humanity withAug 05 22:21
_Goblinrun lessAug 05 22:21
MinceRif there's nothing else they can think ofAug 05 22:21
schestowitzANd if it's tilted in favour of XP (more apps), why Vista7?Aug 05 22:21
MinceRactually i can think of multiple such careersAug 05 22:21
schestowitz[22:21] <_Goblin> Cost more.....require higher specs...Aug 05 22:21
schestowitzGetting your money's worthAug 05 22:21
_Goblinyuhong: so then they didn't work that hard did they if a FOSS project can be more compat with XP software than 7 is.Aug 05 22:21
schestowitz"I spent 700 quid on 4-core, I might as well burn them on somethingAug 05 22:21
yuhong<_Goblin>yeah like XPM for 7....lol I was not talking XPM.Aug 05 22:22
schestowitzVista 7 is a HUMMERAug 05 22:22
MinceRH1?Aug 05 22:22
yuhongDon't think so, Vista is more like it.Aug 05 22:22
MinceRor even crappier?Aug 05 22:22
_GoblinSo then wheres the "hard work" of backwards compat with 7?Aug 05 22:22
schestowitzVista is an SUVAug 05 22:22
schestowitzClunky one at that...Aug 05 22:22
yuhongMany apps dow ork.Aug 05 22:22
MinceR_Goblin: perhaps countless hours of looking at the wall and repeating "derp der"Aug 05 22:22
schestowitz[22:19] <yuhong> But back on topic, MS do try hard to maintain compatiblity with XP.Aug 05 22:22
yuhongVista 7 is an SUV, Vista is a HUMER.Aug 05 22:22
MinceRs/der"/derp"/Aug 05 22:22
schestowitzBack to topic, off WindowsAug 05 22:22
MinceRyuhong: hummer is an SUVAug 05 22:23
yuhongOops.Aug 05 22:23
FurnaceBoyyuhong: all should be off the roadsAug 05 22:23
MinceRH1 is an SUV that looks like a HumveeAug 05 22:23
MinceRH2 and H3 are SUVs that don't even look like a HumveeAug 05 22:23
yuhongSorry for that mistake, I am not really that familar with cars.Aug 05 22:23
MinceRi need an APCAug 05 22:23
MinceRdriving in absurdistan is hellAug 05 22:23
_GoblinI still want to know where this "hard work" is in respect of backward compat with xp.Aug 05 22:24
FurnaceBoylolAug 05 22:24
FurnaceBoy+1111Aug 05 22:24
yuhongMany XP apps do work.Aug 05 22:24
_Goblinlol...Aug 05 22:24
_Goblintried Wine?Aug 05 22:25
yuhongNot fr much.Aug 05 22:25
yuhongNot for much.Aug 05 22:25
_Goblinmany apps do work there too.Aug 05 22:25
MinceRperhaps that "hard work" only contributed to the increase of entropyAug 05 22:25
yuhongIf you wondering where the hard work is, look at Vista's appcompat database.Aug 05 22:25
_GoblinI think the hard work has been to get people spending money on 7, you can't have happy customers with XP that don't dig into their pockets.Aug 05 22:25
FurnaceBoyyepAug 05 22:26
yuhongYes, but not what I am talking about.Aug 05 22:26
yuhongIf you wondering where the hard work is, look at Vista's appcompat database.Aug 05 22:26
_GoblinYes Vista's compat database was hard workAug 05 22:26
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:26
FurnaceBoymade so much harder by the crash'n'burn of vistaAug 05 22:26
_Goblininfact Vista itself was hardwork.Aug 05 22:26
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:26
_Goblinvery hardwork.Aug 05 22:26
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:26
MinceRit was all hard and useless workAug 05 22:26
_Goblinits why I shifted to LinuxAug 05 22:26
yuhongYes, some were pretty useless.Aug 05 22:27
_Goblinit was career in itself just to keep Vista semi-functional.Aug 05 22:27
FurnaceBoyit made obvious to more people that MS is not a technology company.Aug 05 22:27
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:27
yuhongNot exactly actually.Aug 05 22:27
FurnaceBoythey're just one big organised shakedown; a criminal operation.Aug 05 22:27
yuhongMS spend a lot on appcompat testing with each release of Windows, you know.Aug 05 22:27
FurnaceBoytechnology is just wallpaper, window dressingAug 05 22:27
yuhongWouldn't go that far, but yes I know.Aug 05 22:28
FurnaceBoyyuhong: then they have no excuse, ehAug 05 22:28
yuhongMS spend a lot on appcompat testing with each release of Windows, you know.Aug 05 22:28
cubezzzhuh?Aug 05 22:28
_Goblinyuhong: I think something is wrong with your PC.Aug 05 22:28
FurnaceBoyyuhong: 40,000 engineersAug 05 22:28
MinceRapparently m$ likes to brag about testing even though it obviously has no resultsAug 05 22:28
FurnaceBoyyuhong: istr from "Microsoft Secrets" that there is at least 1 tester per programmer.Aug 05 22:28
yuhongIt does.Aug 05 22:28
MinceRunless they internally know that they're releasing a big pile of shit every timeAug 05 22:28
MinceRbut they don't careAug 05 22:28
yuhongIt does.Aug 05 22:28
FurnaceBoyyuhong: and they still can't produce anything that works , or is closer than 30 years behind the state of the art.Aug 05 22:28
_Goblinlike kinAug 05 22:28
MinceRthat's something of a result, even if it's uselessAug 05 22:29
_Goblinwhats the story with Kin Yuhong?Aug 05 22:29
cubezzzI'm switching to Xerox Star :)Aug 05 22:29
yuhongI know, but not the topic.Aug 05 22:29
FurnaceBoyyuhong: in the end, it proves that they aren;t about technology at all.Aug 05 22:29
cubezzzda originalAug 05 22:29
MinceRhow did all that testing not reveal that m$vcrt fails to update window contents properly in winxp?Aug 05 22:29
FurnaceBoyyuhong: they are about PR and extortion, and lawyers.Aug 05 22:29
yuhongYes, I know.Aug 05 22:29
_GoblinMS tech is the topic.Aug 05 22:29
_GoblinI thoughtAug 05 22:29
MinceRor even window decorations?Aug 05 22:29
yuhongAppcompat is the topic.Aug 05 22:29
_Goblinyuhong: do you have a hotkey for "yes I know" and "yes"? If you don't, you should.Aug 05 22:29
MinceRhe has a hotkey for "i would not go that far"Aug 05 22:30
MinceRand for "really?"Aug 05 22:30
schestowitzheheAug 05 22:30
yuhongI don't have such a hotkey, of course.Aug 05 22:30
yuhongAppcompat is the topic.Aug 05 22:30
cubezzzseriously Xerox did it all firstAug 05 22:30
cubezzz1024x768 displays in 1981Aug 05 22:30
schestowitzNow it sells swpatsAug 05 22:30
yuhongMS put a lot of compat hacks into each release of Windows.Aug 05 22:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz: not for mass market.Aug 05 22:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz: not even NeXT reached mass market.Aug 05 22:31
yuhongYes, I know.Aug 05 22:31
MinceRyes, they put a lot of hacks everywhereAug 05 22:31
cubezzzI used Next..... onceAug 05 22:31
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:31
MinceRbut no proper design or proper implementationAug 05 22:31
MinceRjust hacks on top of hacksAug 05 22:31
schestowitzhackos:>windowsAug 05 22:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz: i own a coupleAug 05 22:31
MinceRand then everyone wonders why it doesn't workAug 05 22:31
yuhongReally?Aug 05 22:31
_Goblinand then MS blames everyone else.Aug 05 22:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz: when i was in high school, i drooled over the xerox stuff, but it would have cost more than a houseAug 05 22:31
schestowitzdos->win3Aug 05 22:31
yuhongI know that is not true.Aug 05 22:32
MinceReven the story of NT begins with putting hacks on top of VMS ideasAug 05 22:32
schestowitzStill hybridisedAug 05 22:32
FurnaceBoycubezzz: like buying your own Saturn VAug 05 22:32
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 05 22:32
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:32
cubezzzSaturn V...Aug 05 22:32
FurnaceBoyMinceR: very much soAug 05 22:32
yuhongBut NT was not hacks on top of Windows 9x, that is a common myth.Aug 05 22:32
FurnaceBoyMinceR: and it fell flatAug 05 22:32
FurnaceBoyyuhong: who cares?Aug 05 22:32
FurnaceBoyyuhong: NT predated 95Aug 05 22:32
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:32
_GoblinlolAug 05 22:32
FurnaceBoyeverybody knows that.Aug 05 22:32
cubezzzDon't forget Project Neptune :)Aug 05 22:32
FurnaceBoyeverybody knows Cutler left DEC to write NT.Aug 05 22:32
MinceRyuhong: could you quote the line where i said NT was hacks on top of win9x?Aug 05 22:33
yuhongParticularly when discussing security.Aug 05 22:33
FurnaceBoyeverybody knows NT was a failure.Aug 05 22:33
cubezzzNT wasn't that bad thoughAug 05 22:33
MinceRit wasAug 05 22:33
MinceRand still isAug 05 22:33
FurnaceBoyand everything that follows NT has been a failure, and will never be relevant technologically.Aug 05 22:33
FurnaceBoythe well is poisoned.Aug 05 22:33
cubezzzwhat was so bad about it?Aug 05 22:33
MinceRfor example, the palette index 0 bug :>Aug 05 22:33
FurnaceBoycubezzz: VMS wasn;t bad. *fixed that for you*Aug 05 22:33
MinceRand the windowing system in the kernelAug 05 22:33
_Goblinthe organisation I work for only recently deployed XP....Aug 05 22:33
MinceRand the applications being responsible for window controlsAug 05 22:33
yuhongMinceR: You didn't say it, I was referring to other claims, particularly security.Aug 05 22:34
cubezzzLinux's kernel is big and fat tooAug 05 22:34
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: wow, that's superbly misguided. did they evaluate F/OSS?Aug 05 22:34
MinceRyes, claims saying that NT has security are patently falseAug 05 22:34
FurnaceBoycubezzz: but X isn't in the kernel.Aug 05 22:34
cubezzzmain reason why I use older LinuxesAug 05 22:34
_GoblinFurnaceBoy: in relation to what? sorry.Aug 05 22:34
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: deploying XPAug 05 22:34
schestowitzdeploring?Aug 05 22:35
*FurnaceBoy gigglesAug 05 22:35
yuhongClaims that NT was derived from a single-user OS are false sorry.Aug 05 22:35
_GoblinFurnaceBoy: ah....not really...I think out of all the people here, our deployment had to be the biggest....Aug 05 22:35
MinceRthen there's the design flaw that m$ even gave a nice short name: "Registry"Aug 05 22:35
yuhongYes, I know.Aug 05 22:35
FurnaceBoyMinceR: of course. NT was undercooked. ironic given that VMS was a great success.Aug 05 22:35
_GoblinFurnaceBoy: there was no chance of Vista, and 7 is too "new"...Aug 05 22:35
schestowitzIt's the way it's implementedAug 05 22:35
MinceRactually, NT _is_ in part derived from a single-user OSAug 05 22:35
schestowitzIt can be similar in GNOMEAug 05 22:35
schestowitzEven KDEAug 05 22:35
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: sighAug 05 22:35
MinceRnamely, CP/M-86.Aug 05 22:35
schestowitzBut it's modular and not hexAug 05 22:36
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: another opportunity missed :)Aug 05 22:36
yuhongYes, but not the kernel, mostly higher layers.Aug 05 22:36
MinceRit still pretends it's CP/M-86 in some placesAug 05 22:36
_GoblinFurnaceBoy: having said that, FOSS packages are creeping in....in particular open office.Aug 05 22:36
schestowitzIt also does fallbacksAug 05 22:36
FurnaceBoyyuhong: nobody is claiming that NT derives from W95, you foolAug 05 22:36
yuhongLike the shell.Aug 05 22:36
FurnaceBoyyuhong: we all know it's freaking heritage.Aug 05 22:36
yuhongNot here.Aug 05 22:36
FurnaceBoyyuhong: Cutler wanted a PC VMSAug 05 22:36
schestowitzIf I mess up my kde settings files, new one that are workable will be put as placeholdersAug 05 22:36
FurnaceBoyand failed.Aug 05 22:36
FurnaceBoyto deliver it.Aug 05 22:36
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:36
FurnaceBoyend of story.Aug 05 22:36
MinceRFurnaceBoy: well, i think m$ didn't want a PC VMSAug 05 22:36
MinceRonly CutlerAug 05 22:36
schestowitzRegistry is good for virus writersAug 05 22:36
FurnaceBoyMinceR: sure, it was a bullshit mission.Aug 05 22:36
MinceRand m$ did the decisionsAug 05 22:37
yuhongI was referring to claims from other sources.Aug 05 22:37
_GoblinI personally think Windows is great (any ver except Vista), as long as you don't connect it to the net or install anything, it will run just fine for a while.Aug 05 22:37
yuhong"yes, claims saying that NT has security are patently false" I don't think so.Aug 05 22:37
FurnaceBoyCutler seems to have lost half his IQ when he quit DEC. The goose that laid the golden egg of VMS never laid another.Aug 05 22:37
MinceRperhaps they decided that whatever that was left was marketing-compliant with claims of "derp this is VMS for PC"Aug 05 22:37
FurnaceBoyyuhong: give it up.Aug 05 22:37
FurnaceBoyyuhong: NT is a joke.Aug 05 22:37
MinceRjust as it was marketing-compliant with claims of microkernelAug 05 22:37
yuhongNot completely.Aug 05 22:37
schestowitz_Goblin: it's not WindowsAug 05 22:37
schestowitzIt's the apps/games for itAug 05 22:37
FurnaceBoyyuhong: and it didn't succeed in its mission - crushing all competition in the server space.Aug 05 22:37
schestowitzAnd they don't need the NetAug 05 22:37
schestowitzSo it's not Windows that's goodAug 05 22:37
yuhongYes, I know.Aug 05 22:37
FurnaceBoyyuhong: how much of NT is in Windows Server 7, or whatever they;'re selling todayAug 05 22:38
schestowitzWindows layeris where the games are bound to BSoD and stuffAug 05 22:38
yuhongMost of the basic design is still there.Aug 05 22:38
_Goblinschestowitz: sorry roy...I forgot...its never Microsoft's fault....my bad.Aug 05 22:38
yuhongThey modified it yes.Aug 05 22:38
MinceRNT is a typical example of how marketroids "design" an OSAug 05 22:38
schestowitzSo it fails.... not to compile to itAug 05 22:38
FurnaceBoyyuhong: if a lot, I don't care. If zero, I don't care. Nothing they do is relevant technologically.Aug 05 22:38
FurnaceBoyyuhong: Microsoft is only relevant to the history of organised crime.Aug 05 22:38
MinceRstart with something that they've heard is respected and then pile all kinds of random shit on topAug 05 22:38
MinceRthrow some features that sound good and tick them off the listAug 05 22:38
MinceR+inAug 05 22:38
FurnaceBoyMinceR: well, the architect of VAX/VMS *was* poached to create NT.Aug 05 22:39
yuhongWindows isn't just that, but yes I know.Aug 05 22:39
FurnaceBoyMinceR: but after that, he lost the plot. Too much cocaine and hookers?Aug 05 22:39
MinceRFurnaceBoy: i think the suits told him "we want this, we want that"Aug 05 22:39
MinceRand he did itAug 05 22:39
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: other companies toAug 05 22:39
schestowitzLike BorlandAug 05 22:39
FurnaceBoyMinceR: it's quite funny to read anecdotes about Cutler at Microsoft.Aug 05 22:39
MinceR"we want a fast GUI, put the windowing system into the kernel"Aug 05 22:39
MinceRresult: slow GUI, unstable OSAug 05 22:39
FurnaceBoyMinceR: yeah, management deserves a lot of credit for screwing up any chance he hadAug 05 22:39
yuhongDisassemble the DLLs in C:\Windows\AppPatch.Aug 05 22:39
FurnaceBoyMinceR: i'd be quite happy to hear that they argued against good architectural advice from Cutler.Aug 05 22:40
MinceRyuhong: not enough time to waste on that anymore.Aug 05 22:40
MinceRi used to poke around in m$ crapAug 05 22:40
MinceRnot anymoreAug 05 22:40
schestowitzyuhong: where is "c:"/Aug 05 22:40
MinceRthey belong in the museumAug 05 22:40
yuhongLook at the appcompat backs.Aug 05 22:40
FurnaceBoy+9999999Aug 05 22:40
schestowitzI can't find it.Aug 05 22:40
schestowitzAnd it has colons in itAug 05 22:40
yuhongI am talking if you are running on Windows.Aug 05 22:40
schestowitzYou need to rename your directoryAug 05 22:40
MinceRdo we look like masochists? :>Aug 05 22:40
schestowitzOr it will spew out errors, due to ambiguityAug 05 22:40
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 05 22:40
_GoblinWhats a "C:"?Aug 05 22:41
yuhongI am talking if you are running on Windows.Aug 05 22:41
FurnaceBoymy life has enough problems without Microsoft stuff adding to themAug 05 22:41
yuhongTo see the appcompat hacks MS had to add.Aug 05 22:41
MinceR_Goblin: the third floppy drive in CP/M? :>Aug 05 22:41
schestowitz_Goblin: what's a B:?Aug 05 22:41
schestowitzWhere's B?Aug 05 22:41
schestowitzVitamin A was the first discoveredAug 05 22:41
FurnaceBoythis is of very pressing interest. tell me more about app compat hacks.Aug 05 22:41
schestowitzThen BAug 05 22:41
_Goblinmincer: I thought so.Aug 05 22:41
MinceRschestowitz: the second floppy driveAug 05 22:41
*FurnaceBoy pipes to /dev/nullAug 05 22:41
schestowitzLater B1, B2... when they found more of the sameAug 05 22:41
MinceRschestowitz: really high end computers have two of them!Aug 05 22:41
_GoblinIve got an a drive here.Aug 05 22:41
schestowitzWhat's in directory "B:"?Aug 05 22:41
MinceRit's luxury!Aug 05 22:41
_Goblinis the A: the same as a: ?Aug 05 22:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: where do you attach your dvd, your nfs mounts, uh wait..Aug 05 22:42
_Goblinor is that two drives?Aug 05 22:42
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: LOL!!!!!!Aug 05 22:42
yuhongThe funny thing is on NEC PC-98 in japan, A: refer to the HD!Aug 05 22:42
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: what about "\007f@q$%%t:"Aug 05 22:42
cubezzzok, you guys are never going to agree :)Aug 05 22:42
_Goblinyuhong: my A: is a particle accelerator.Aug 05 22:42
MinceRc:\con\conAug 05 22:42
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: tehheAug 05 22:42
_Goblinb: is a flux capacitorAug 05 22:42
yuhongYes, I know.Aug 05 22:42
cubezzzI use FreeDOS still :)Aug 05 22:42
FurnaceBoywait wait FUSE says my z: is a twitter feedAug 05 22:43
*schestowitz makes "c:" a symbolic link to pr0nAug 05 22:43
_Goblinc: is an FTL driveAug 05 22:43
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: ooooh is that the latest model SSD?Aug 05 22:43
MinceRyeah, drive letters FTLAug 05 22:43
cubezzzwhat if you have more than 26 drives? :)Aug 05 22:43
FurnaceBoyMinceR: x: is your momAug 05 22:43
_Goblinand d: is a load of b*llocks just like this conversation.Aug 05 22:43
MinceR(For Teh Lose)Aug 05 22:43
yuhongBack on topic.Aug 05 22:43
MinceRcubezzz: 26 drives should be enough for everyoneAug 05 22:43
FurnaceBoycubezzz: NOBODY will ever need more than 640K drives. EVER.Aug 05 22:43
_Goblinwhat was the topic? my brain has melted.Aug 05 22:43
FurnaceBoyMinceR: heheAug 05 22:43
MinceRcubezzz: 640k should be enough for everyone...except windows.Aug 05 22:43
_GoblinFurnaceBoy: agreed!Aug 05 22:43
cubezzzFurnaceBoy, 640K is all you ever need..... to load one iconAug 05 22:44
FurnaceBoycubezzz: w00tAug 05 22:44
MinceRthe topic is that yuhong tries to defend a pile of indefensible crapAug 05 22:44
FurnaceBoycubezzz: I am sure I can make a vista png ico that's bigger than that.Aug 05 22:44
schestowitzWhat if I want to copy directrory "A:" and "C:" to my home directory at one go?Aug 05 22:44
FurnaceBoyMinceR: that's what he's for.Aug 05 22:44
FurnaceBoyMinceR: they don't even pay him. that's the sad part.Aug 05 22:44
MinceRthat comes from the unholy union of design flaws, implementation flaws and suits playing at "that computer stuff"Aug 05 22:44
schestowitzWhat is their common mount point?Aug 05 22:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: COPY /A /S /Q /GGS /KLL /PPOQ -- might workAug 05 22:44
_Goblindon't forget SUAug 05 22:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: god help you if there's a hard link, symbolic link, device node, fifo, etcAug 05 22:45
MinceRi wonder why m$ couldn't hire a file system designer if they could hire an OS designerAug 05 22:45
yuhongAll that is extremely funny, I must admit though.Aug 05 22:45
FurnaceBoyyuhong: not reallyAug 05 22:45
FurnaceBoyyuhong: just a waste of our attentionAug 05 22:45
MinceRmaybe they would have got to fuck up some good FSAug 05 22:45
schestowitzFurget it, i give up. I'm starting to think WIndows is Not Linux(R). I'll never manage to learn that legacy stuff...Aug 05 22:45
yuhongSymbolic link support was added in Vista and later, BTW.Aug 05 22:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh, but you won't be employableAug 05 22:45
yuhongWindows is not UNIX, yes.Aug 05 22:45
FurnaceBoyyuhong: bit late, don't you think?Aug 05 22:45
schestowitzNo wonder UNIX people move to LinuxAug 05 22:45
MinceRand POSIX support was claimed much earlierAug 05 22:45
FurnaceBoyyuhong: even MacOS had aliases in the 80sAug 05 22:45
MinceRhere, buy our POSIX OS that doesn't know what symlinks areAug 05 22:46
MinceRderp derpAug 05 22:46
FurnaceBoyyuhong: which are actually value-added symlinks...Aug 05 22:46
yuhongYes, I know.Aug 05 22:46
schestowitz[22:45] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: oh, but you won't be employableAug 05 22:46
MinceRbut the jesuslandian government ate all the lies about POSIX compliance.Aug 05 22:46
FurnaceBoyyuhong: so why bother talking about how late microsoft was to any particular copying?Aug 05 22:46
FurnaceBoywe. don't. care.Aug 05 22:46
schestowitzIt a working place uses a toy to do business, it'll fail anywayAug 05 22:46
_GoblinNew acronym time ... WINO = Windows is Not an Operating system.Aug 05 22:46
schestowitzI don't need toys in my CVAug 05 22:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: eventuallyAug 05 22:46
schestowitzI need to start a new section in it for thatAug 05 22:46
MinceRnah, if it was only copying, their products wouldn't suck nearly so muchAug 05 22:46
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: excellentAug 05 22:46
schestowitzUnder "hobbies & interests"Aug 05 22:46
_GoblinWINO/7Aug 05 22:46
yuhongWindows is not just a toy IMO.Aug 05 22:46
_Goblina bit like gnu/linuxAug 05 22:47
MinceRyuhong: it's a boot trojan.Aug 05 22:47
yuhongNope.Aug 05 22:47
FurnaceBoyyuhong: well, you'll find out eventually.Aug 05 22:47
cubezzzClosed source OSes are not idealAug 05 22:47
yuhongYes.Aug 05 22:47
FurnaceBoyyuhong: it's not JUST a toy. it's also a lever to extort money.Aug 05 22:47
_Goblin?Aug 05 22:47
MinceRit pretends to be a useful program and it installs itself into the MBR, among other placesAug 05 22:47
yuhongSometimes.Aug 05 22:47
MinceRit spreads with bootable discsAug 05 22:47
yuhongNo.Aug 05 22:47
_Goblinyuhong: what, yes you agree or yes they are?Aug 05 22:47
yuhongNope..Aug 05 22:47
MinceRthough it's a bit bloated for a trojanAug 05 22:47
yuhongWindows is not a trojan.Aug 05 22:47
MinceRwhat is it, then?Aug 05 22:47
MinceRa file virus?Aug 05 22:47
FurnaceBoyyuhong: you really should get out more. Aug 05 22:47
MinceRit can't infect filesAug 05 22:47
yuhongAn OS.Aug 05 22:47
schestowitzWindows is to the computer what all that paper crap is to the shoe it fills when you buy it anewAug 05 22:47
MinceRa trojan?Aug 05 22:48
FurnaceBoyyuhong: LOL!Aug 05 22:48
MinceRit doesn't spread in executablesAug 05 22:48
cubezzzlots of other OSes to choose from Aug 05 22:48
MinceRa worm?Aug 05 22:48
cubezzzanywaysAug 05 22:48
FurnaceBoyyuhong: no, it's not; it's a means to extort money from the misinformed and locked inAug 05 22:48
MinceRit doesn't spread on the network.Aug 05 22:48
yuhongNOpe.Aug 05 22:48
yuhongSometimes.Aug 05 22:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Latest Attempt To Create Federal Journalism Shield Law May Carve Wikileaks Out Of The Protections http://dlvr.it/3RcppAug 05 22:48
yuhongNot really though.Aug 05 22:48
MinceRso what OS functions does it do?Aug 05 22:48
schestowitzThen it's like murderingAug 05 22:48
schestowitz"Piracy"Aug 05 22:48
FurnaceBoyyuhong: get out more. try some real technology.Aug 05 22:48
schestowitzWhen WIndows spreads it piracyAug 05 22:48
yuhongPretty much all.Aug 05 22:48
schestowitzSounds like a virus to emAug 05 22:48
yuhongI know.Aug 05 22:48
MinceRi don't think that wasting CPU time, memory and HDD are OS functionsAug 05 22:48
FurnaceBoyyuhong: installing anything other than windows puts you 30 years ahead.Aug 05 22:48
MinceRor providing admin-level access to third parties to your PCAug 05 22:49
MinceRor letting other malware infect itAug 05 22:49
yuhongNot exactly, but another matter.Aug 05 22:49
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: do you have a twitter handle so that I can RT your acronym coinage?Aug 05 22:49
FurnaceBoyMinceR: a very important role..Aug 05 22:49
yuhongMinceR: And Windows do none of these.Aug 05 22:49
_Goblinyep..... twitter.com/_goblinAug 05 22:49
FurnaceBoyMinceR: in fact, microsoft has a lock on that market segmentAug 05 22:49
MinceRyuhong: to the contrary, it does all of thoseAug 05 22:49
_Goblinor identi.ca/openbytesAug 05 22:49
yuhongI know.Aug 05 22:49
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: awesomeAug 05 22:49
yuhongMinceR: And Windows do none of these.Aug 05 22:49
_Goblinand a blogazine....Aug 05 22:49
_GoblinOpenbytesAug 05 22:49
yuhongMinceR: No it don't.Aug 05 22:49
MinceRyuhong: keep repeating thatAug 05 22:49
TechrightsBotTitle: Latest Attempt To Create Federal Journalism Shield Law May Carve Wikileaks Out Of The Protections | Techdirt .::. Size~: 21.49 KBAug 05 22:50
TechrightsBotMinceR: And Windows do none of these.Aug 05 22:50
TechrightsBotand a blogazine....Aug 05 22:50
TechrightsBotOpenbytesAug 05 22:50
TechrightsBotMinceR: No it don't.Aug 05 22:50
TechrightsBotyuhong: keep repeating thatAug 05 22:50
MinceRnot you, TechrightsBot Aug 05 22:50
yuhongOkay.Aug 05 22:50
_Goblinyuhong...be quiet Im trying to pimp my warezAug 05 22:50
FurnaceBoyyuhong: well you can cling to your fantasies.Aug 05 22:50
yuhongMinceR: Where is the evidence?Aug 05 22:50
MinceRyuhong: maybe one day you'll profit from m$ just like your idols doAug 05 22:50
MinceRonly kiddingAug 05 22:50
MinceRthey'll just rip you off like their icelandian MVPsAug 05 22:51
FurnaceBoyit's doubtful. the guys who profit are at the top of the pyramid scam.Aug 05 22:51
FurnaceBoyand that's all it is. scam.Aug 05 22:51
yuhongReally?Aug 05 22:51
_GoblinReallyAug 05 22:51
FurnaceBoyyuhong: you're wasting your life on this microsoft stuff.Aug 05 22:51
FurnaceBoyreally.Aug 05 22:51
_GoblinreallyAug 05 22:51
MinceRreallyAug 05 22:51
yuhongMinceR: Where is the evidence that Windown do anything you listed.?Aug 05 22:51
FurnaceBoysighAug 05 22:51
MinceRyuhong: regular use reveals it to everyoneAug 05 22:51
yuhongReally, evidence please?Aug 05 22:52
MinceRyuhong: winblows update lets m$ run arbitrary code on your machineAug 05 22:52
yuhongBut so do other update mechnisiums.Aug 05 22:52
FurnaceBoyyuhong: the only thing you can learn from MS are unethical practices, and how to make money viaAug 05 22:52
MinceRyuhong: vulnerabilities and backdoors let other malware inAug 05 22:52
yuhongBackdoors?Aug 05 22:52
MinceRyuhong: other update mechanisms don't hide unintended updates in legitimate-looking onesAug 05 22:52
schestowitz[22:50] <_Goblin> be quiet Im trying to pimp my warez       > That's what BIllG saidAug 05 22:52
FurnaceBoyyuhong: you don't get it. it's not about the technology. Aug 05 22:52
cubezzz./configure ; make ; make installAug 05 22:52
FurnaceBoyyuhong: the technology isn't relevant at all. it's a distraction.Aug 05 22:52
MinceRyuhong: also, there's a DRM-related mechanism for arbitrary code execution tooAug 05 22:52
cubezzzmy install mechanismAug 05 22:52
yuhongWhat one?Aug 05 22:52
MinceRyuhong: all in the interest of the "authors", of courseAug 05 22:52
MinceRyuhong: the one you let them use when you agree to the EULAAug 05 22:53
MinceRdo you ever read the EULA?Aug 05 22:53
schestowitz./configure ; make ; make install ; echo "n00b!" ; sudo rm -rf /Aug 05 22:53
cubezzzwe get it, windows really really sucks :)Aug 05 22:53
yuhong">yuhong: also, there's a DRM-related mechanism for arbitrary code execution too" What are you referring to.Aug 05 22:53
MinceRyuhong: not sure where it's hidden, but signing the EULA gives them explicit permission for itAug 05 22:53
MinceRprobably in WMPAug 05 22:53
yuhongYes, WMP need to update it's DRM mechnisium.Aug 05 22:54
schestowitzNoAug 05 22:54
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it doesn't even have to suck. their business practices invalidate anything they might or might not produce.Aug 05 22:54
schestowitzIt needs to remove it, yuhongAug 05 22:54
MinceRwhich means that a channel outside WU is used to install code with admin rightsAug 05 22:54
yuhongIt can't, sorry.Aug 05 22:54
MinceRwhich is precisely what i'm talking aboutAug 05 22:54
cubezzzanyways, with FOSS you can support old hardwareAug 05 22:54
schestowitzLet the MAFIAA bid its own fightsAug 05 22:54
yuhongYes, I know abotu WMP DRM.Aug 05 22:54
cubezzzon doze, old hardware gets wastedAug 05 22:54
FurnaceBoyyuhong: then the battle is over. move on to a real product.Aug 05 22:54
schestowitzReal sucksAug 05 22:54
yuhongIt only affect WMP, and only if you play DRM content using it.Aug 05 22:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: heheAug 05 22:54
yuhongWhich I don't.Aug 05 22:54
MinceR:)Aug 05 22:55
FurnaceBoyyuhong: so why pay for the functionalityAug 05 22:55
MinceRyuhong: sure, they say it only affects WMPAug 05 22:55
schestowitzIt's that Glasser dude from McirosoftAug 05 22:55
FurnaceBoyyuhong: er, the DYSfunctionalityAug 05 22:55
MinceRyuhong: but they have permission to download and install executable code without asking at the timeAug 05 22:55
cubezzzyou can't trust itAug 05 22:55
cubezzzI sure don'tAug 05 22:55
schestowitzAt least Real uses GNU-Linux in its media serversAug 05 22:55
yuhongMinceR: Not that WMP every did.Aug 05 22:55
yuhongMinceR: Not that WMP ever did.Aug 05 22:55
schestowitzMicrosoft uses it too... AkamairAug 05 22:55
schestowitz*maiAug 05 22:55
MinceRyuhong: and not doing it in the past is perfect defense against remote access, right?Aug 05 22:56
yuhongMinceR: They always asked for permission, but without it you can't play DRM content.Aug 05 22:56
cubezzzhard drive light flashes, and I have no clue why it does, on dozeAug 05 22:56
cubezzznothing is runningAug 05 22:56
MinceRif i set an empty root password on my server and allow SSH as root and in the first second nobody logs in, i'm secure forever, right?Aug 05 22:56
schestowitzdaemonFC needs some "content"Aug 05 22:56
schestowitzFor the catAug 05 22:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: lead aspirins?Aug 05 22:56
schestowitzHold on..Aug 05 22:56
yuhongMinceR: And it is not complete remote access.Aug 05 22:56
schestowitzI need contentAug 05 22:56
*schestowitz gets waterAug 05 22:56
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 05 22:56
MinceRyuhong: even if they decide to graciously ask permission per download, they still won't tell you what code it isAug 05 22:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you need irrigationAug 05 22:56
yuhongMinceR: WMP does.Aug 05 22:57
MinceRyuhong: and in the case of WU they tell you what it is, but they often lie -- ask DaemonFC about that one.Aug 05 22:57
yuhongLie?Aug 05 22:57
_GoblinIm going for a smoke....all this talk of Windows has got me out in a cold sweat.Aug 05 22:57
FurnaceBoyyuhong: that surprises you?Aug 05 22:57
MinceRthey don't tell you about everything that's in thereAug 05 22:57
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: fair enough.Aug 05 22:57
yuhongTo be honest, they do often put other changes into updates.Aug 05 22:57
MinceRexactly.Aug 05 22:57
*FurnaceBoy has to make a post office runAug 05 22:57
*schestowitz passes batonAug 05 22:58
MinceR"other changes" may include anythingAug 05 22:58
yuhongWindows Update often won't tell you, but MS often documents it in things like KB articles.Aug 05 22:58
cubezzzother charges? :)Aug 05 22:58
MinceRand if the past is of any indication, if "other changes" mean extra money to m$, you can bet they'll do anything they want to your PCAug 05 22:58
yuhongNot exactly.Aug 05 22:58
MinceRand they'll claim you gave permission by signing the EULAAug 05 22:58
MinceRand you did!Aug 05 22:58
cubezzzI didn't :)Aug 05 22:58
MinceRyour PC is not yours to own and controlAug 05 22:58
yuhongI don't think so.lAug 05 22:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I'll send you a postcard!Aug 05 22:59
yuhongI don't think so.Aug 05 22:59
MinceRwell, that's part of the deceptionAug 05 22:59
yuhongI don't think MS every did.Aug 05 22:59
MinceRyou believe all their bullshit about "trust" and "security"Aug 05 22:59
yuhongI don't think MS ever did.Aug 05 22:59
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: thanks, I overbought toilet paper thoughAug 05 22:59
MinceRdo you _know_ if they ever did it to your machine?Aug 05 22:59
schestowitzPostcards are for granniesAug 05 22:59
MinceRhave you seen the code?Aug 05 22:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: :(Aug 05 22:59
schestowitzJokeAug 05 22:59
MinceRdid you have a chance to modify the code, recompile it and use it in place of what they gave you?Aug 05 22:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i'm old fashionedAug 05 22:59
cubezzzWindows says: it's time to buy more memoryAug 05 22:59
cubezzzWindows says: It's time for a bigger hard drive :)Aug 05 23:00
MinceRdo people get a chance to share improvements such as removing a backdoor from winblows with their peers?Aug 05 23:00
FurnaceBoyyuhong indulges in a lot of wishful thinking.Aug 05 23:00
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: my cousin in Florida mailed me a post card this yearAug 05 23:00
MinceRindeed.Aug 05 23:00
schestowitzHe's 82Aug 05 23:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: eheheAug 05 23:00
schestowitzUncle ratherAug 05 23:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I'm half that. But I still think it's a nice gesture.Aug 05 23:00
yuhongDoes Windows really have any true backdoors?Aug 05 23:00
MinceRafaik yesAug 05 23:00
FurnaceBoyWHO KNOWS????Aug 05 23:00
FurnaceBoyyou miss the point, yuhong Aug 05 23:00
yuhongWhat?Aug 05 23:00
cubezzzStallman talked about that onceAug 05 23:00
FurnaceBoywe can't know.Aug 05 23:00
MinceRiirc there were talks of some secret services requiring them and access to themAug 05 23:00
schestowitzMy aunt hates it when I call her that cause it "makes her feel old"Aug 05 23:00
cubezzzI think there isAug 05 23:00
yuhongYes, I know Windows is not open source.Aug 05 23:00
MinceRit's not Free Software.Aug 05 23:01
FurnaceBoyyuhong: you apparently think the difference between microsoft and alternatives is about technology.Aug 05 23:01
yuhongYes.Aug 05 23:01
FurnaceBoyyuhong: it's not about technology.Aug 05 23:01
MinceRi wasn't talking about the terms of the OSD, you see. :>Aug 05 23:01
yuhongI know it is more than technology.Aug 05 23:01
FurnaceBoytechnology is boring, ultimately. all this stuff was solved decades ago.Aug 05 23:01
FurnaceBoymicrosoft never got the memo, but their game is making money. off you.Aug 05 23:01
FurnaceBoyand they'll do whatever they can, to get it.Aug 05 23:01
schestowitztechnology is a broad termAug 05 23:01
FurnaceBoyno hold is barred.Aug 05 23:01
yuhongMinceR: Did that really open a backdoor.Aug 05 23:02
MinceRyuhong: i see you trust m$ blindly, but i don't see why you expect everyone else, including us, to share that trust, without any reason or evidence.Aug 05 23:02
schestowitzTrying to make software seem patentableAug 05 23:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yep, all part of the gameAug 05 23:02
yuhongI don't trust MS blindly.Aug 05 23:02
MinceRyuhong: iirc even their disk encryption has a backdoor for the NSA.Aug 05 23:02
schestowitzSticks and rocks are also technologies if combined intelligentlyAug 05 23:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: but that's a non-technological tactic.Aug 05 23:02
schestowitzSome moneys make technoligyAug 05 23:02
MinceRyuhong: who audits their code?Aug 05 23:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: all their tactics are non-technological, at base. they're simply those of organised crime.Aug 05 23:02
yuhongMinceR: evidence?Aug 05 23:02
MinceRyuhong: who does even _look_ at their code?Aug 05 23:02
MinceRyuhong: i won't do the searching for you nowAug 05 23:02
cubezzzNSA probablyAug 05 23:02
yuhongI know.Aug 05 23:02
FurnaceBoyyuhong: there CAN be no evidence. you don't get it.Aug 05 23:02
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FurnaceBoyyuhong: you can't prove a negative.Aug 05 23:02
MinceRproblem is, the NSA won't tell us about itAug 05 23:02
schestowitzHeh. Some chimp I know patented "rock on a stick - aparatus for killing bugs"Aug 05 23:02
cubezzzok, he's gone :)Aug 05 23:03
FurnaceBoyat last.Aug 05 23:03
schestowitzHe's suing us for a billion bananasAug 05 23:03
FurnaceBoyLOLAug 05 23:03
FurnaceBoyhe *is* bananas.Aug 05 23:03
MinceRthere are lots of fundamental issues of security that yuhong doesn't even begin to understand.Aug 05 23:03
schestowitzTo share with his crony gutansAug 05 23:03
cubezzzI thought yuhong used Linux sometimesAug 05 23:03
MinceRm$ blinds him with a thousand acronyms and he's satisfied with thatAug 05 23:03
cubezzzbut whatever :)Aug 05 23:03
MinceRi know some m$ fanboys use GNU/Linux sometimesAug 05 23:03
MinceRsometimes they claim it's good for certain usesAug 05 23:04
MinceRbut they always say that winblows is uber for the desktopAug 05 23:04
MinceRand they never manage to explain why they think soAug 05 23:04
schestowitzMinceR: means they didn't try it in enough areasAug 05 23:04
schestowitzThey can start with firewallsAug 05 23:04
MinceRthey rely on blind faithAug 05 23:04
schestowitzThen it's "only good for command line"Aug 05 23:04
schestowitzThen they set up wordpressAug 05 23:04
cubezzzI guess games is one reasonAug 05 23:04
schestowitzAnd it's "good for servers"Aug 05 23:04
schestowitzEtc.Aug 05 23:04
FurnaceBoyMinceR: he's typically superficial. he thinks it's about bits and bytes and features.Aug 05 23:04
FurnaceBoyMinceR: sophomoreAug 05 23:04
MinceRbut of course even they can't deny that m$ hides their craptastic web servers behind Akamai's GNU/Linux boxesAug 05 23:05
MinceRFurnaceBoy: or rather, a suitAug 05 23:05
FurnaceBoyMinceR: it's a pre-requisiteAug 05 23:05
schestowitzWIndows it not good for gamesAug 05 23:05
FurnaceBoyMinceR: wilful ignoranceAug 05 23:05
MinceRnontechnical user who believes every bit of marketroid nonsenseAug 05 23:05
schestowitzGames are good for usersAug 05 23:05
FurnaceBoyMinceR: rightAug 05 23:05
schestowitzGames are good for gamesAug 05 23:05
schestowitzThe games are just compiled for WindowsAug 05 23:05
cubezzzdoes he work for Microsoft?Aug 05 23:05
schestowitzWindows is not "good" for themAug 05 23:05
FurnaceBoyMinceR: the weird part is to choose a turf where MS loses every match: technologyAug 05 23:05
MinceRwell, the winblows game industry seems to be dyingAug 05 23:05
cubezzztrying to figure out why he defends themAug 05 23:05
MinceRgood riddanceAug 05 23:05
FurnaceBoyMinceR: yes i believe it is.Aug 05 23:05
MinceRlet them take their abusive practices with themAug 05 23:05
FurnaceBoyMinceR: EB Games here in canada doesn't even have PC games shelf any more.Aug 05 23:06
cubezzzit's mostly consoles now, yeahAug 05 23:06
schestowitzMinceR: deadAug 05 23:06
schestowitzThey hastened the killingAug 05 23:06
MinceRi doubt that with time anything will ever be able to compete with Free FPS-esAug 05 23:06
FurnaceBoyand it's not hard to see whyAug 05 23:06
schestowitzTried DRM to achieve itAug 05 23:06
schestowitzAnd taught us that sharing games is superiorAug 05 23:06
cubezzzI play older games mostlyAug 05 23:06
_Goblinsuperior In price I think.Aug 05 23:06
schestowitzNoAug 05 23:06
_Goblinthats the problem....Aug 05 23:06
schestowitzIt doesn't fail to loadAug 05 23:06
schestowitzDRM has betrayed many actual buyersAug 05 23:07
_Goblinlol...Ive read about a few games where the hacked versions play better.Aug 05 23:07
schestowitzThose who cheat get better gaming experienceAug 05 23:07
_GoblinSKIDROW spring to mindAug 05 23:07
*schestowitz doesn't play muchAug 05 23:07
_Goblinneither do IAug 05 23:07
_GoblinI am partial though to a MUD now and then.Aug 05 23:07
MinceRSkiDrow -- dark elves in the snowAug 05 23:07
_GoblinFairlight....er....Aug 05 23:08
_Goblin....Aug 05 23:08
_Goblinaxxo!Aug 05 23:08
_Goblinno he just does the moviesAug 05 23:08
_Goblinand they are no better these days either in cinema or in xvid.Aug 05 23:08
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_GoblinIf I downloaded one of todays holywood blockbusters from TPB, I'd expect I'd still want my money back.Aug 05 23:09
yuhongAnyway, yes I know Windows is not open source and I have suffered the pains, I admit it.Aug 05 23:09
_Goblinthats good of you.Aug 05 23:09
MinceRyuhong: it's not only about the painsAug 05 23:09
MinceRyuhong: it's about security.Aug 05 23:09
_Goblinwelts?Aug 05 23:09
_GoblinahAug 05 23:09
yuhongBut before claiming you know Windows has a backdoor, show me the evidece.Aug 05 23:10
yuhongBut before claiming you know Windows has a backdoor, show me the evidence.Aug 05 23:10
MinceRyuhong: it's about the basic issue of whether you can trust your own computer to do what you tell it to doAug 05 23:10
yuhongYes, I know.Aug 05 23:10
yuhongI remember the problems with the original idea of trusted computing.Aug 05 23:10
yuhongIt had to be scaled back.Aug 05 23:11
cubezzzjust do a google search: windows nsa backdoorAug 05 23:11
yuhongNow it is used only for things like BitLocker.Aug 05 23:11
cubezzzhttp://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/microsoft-discloses-government-backdoor-on-windows-operating-systems/Aug 05 23:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Discloses Government Backdoor on Windows Operating Systems « News Worldwide .::. Size~: 73.27 KBAug 05 23:11
MinceRyuhong: btw, web search engines aren't difficult to use, you may want to try it somedayAug 05 23:11
_Goblinyuhong: The best way to secure windows is to become a MVP.  According to them they never have any problems.Aug 05 23:12
MinceRyuhong: i could even recommend trying google or scroogle instead of bing-o, as the former actually yields relevant results.Aug 05 23:12
yuhongI use Google a lot.Aug 05 23:12
schestowitzcubezzz: Microsoft is a good citizen :->Aug 05 23:12
MinceRyuhong: for example a simple search yields  http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080429/095514977.shtmlAug 05 23:12
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Gives Vista Backdoor Keys To The Police | Techdirt .::. Size~: 159.3 KBAug 05 23:12
yuhongNot exactly, I never claims that.Aug 05 23:12
_Goblinyuhong: hide the chairs then if ballmer comes a knocking.Aug 05 23:12
schestowitzswingin;'Aug 05 23:12
MinceRhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/nsa_helps_micro_1.htmlAug 05 23:13
TechrightsBotTitle: Schneier on Security: NSA Helps Microsoft with Windows Vista .::. Size~: 85.01 KBAug 05 23:13
_GoblinlolAug 05 23:13
MinceRhttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/microsoft-leaks-tool-that-lets-law-enforcement-turn-off-your-hard-disk-encryption-clear-your-passwords-and-scoop-up-batches-of-evidence/Aug 05 23:13
_Goblinmind you after all the Microsoft woes, chair making will be a growth industry this year.Aug 05 23:13
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft leaks tool that lets law enforcement turn off your hard disk encryption, clear your passwords, and scoop up batches of evidence. « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 49.76 KBAug 05 23:13
schestowitzIn Soviet Russia, Microsoft helps NSAAug 05 23:13
schestowitzOr new KGBAug 05 23:13
yuhongOn NSAKEY, somebody would have to disassemble the code that used that key to prove definitely that it would be a backdoor.Aug 05 23:13
MinceRyuhong: my search query was the incredibly arcane "bitlocker backdoor nsa" -- i'm sure you could have never come up with it yourselfAug 05 23:14
cubezzzanother reason why not to use MicrosoftAug 05 23:14
cubezzzyou have no privacyAug 05 23:14
MinceRso it's a good thing you wasted everyone's time by bleating "evidence? evidence? evidence?" instead of thinking.Aug 05 23:14
yuhongAnd COFFE, it does not use a backdoor, I already discuss what it actually does.Aug 05 23:14
schestowitzMinceR: not bitlockin?Aug 05 23:14
MinceRlock-in is a separate issueAug 05 23:14
MinceRi'm sure yuhong doesn't worry about that, m$ for lifeAug 05 23:14
yuhongNope.Aug 05 23:14
_Goblinyuhong: CoFFE? - Let me tell you something about that.Aug 05 23:14
yuhongSee old IRC logs.Aug 05 23:15
MinceRyuhong: yes, let's just pretend that "NSAKEY" is something entirely benignAug 05 23:15
yuhongI am not claiming that.Aug 05 23:15
_Goblinyuhong: It is useless.  and Im sure Roy would agree I speak from a position of knowledge.Aug 05 23:15
MinceRyes you are.Aug 05 23:15
schestowitz_Goblin: dependsAug 05 23:15
schestowitzYou can't ask the lobbyist if what s/he wants is beneficial to allAug 05 23:15
_Goblinas an evidential toolAug 05 23:15
_Goblinits useless.Aug 05 23:15
_Goblinits results would not hold water in a UK court.Aug 05 23:16
schestowitzOne CoFFE, no sugarAug 05 23:16
MinceR_Goblin: well, it was made by m$Aug 05 23:16
yuhongYes I discussed it in old IRC logs, and it does not use a backdoot.Aug 05 23:16
cubezzzok, it's settled then, we all switch to AmigasAug 05 23:16
_GoblinIm just saying evidentially its worthlessAug 05 23:16
MinceRnope.Aug 05 23:16
MinceRamigas are insecureAug 05 23:16
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MinceRthey're single-user systems with no access control of any sortAug 05 23:17
schestowitzMicrosoft: everything is insecureAug 05 23:17
_Goblinban mincer....he's dissed the amiga ;)Aug 05 23:17
schestowitzMicrosoft: all companies are equally unethicalAug 05 23:17
_Goblinto quote George Orwell "All operating systems are insecure, some are more insecure than others"Aug 05 23:17
schestowitzamiga ain't everyone's amigoAug 05 23:17
_Goblinban yourself too roy.Aug 05 23:18
cubezzzmy 386 has 1 foot thick lead shielding plus no internet connection :)Aug 05 23:18
_Goblinwon't have talk like that.Aug 05 23:18
*MinceR simplifies it to banning _Goblin instead ;)Aug 05 23:18
schestowitz_Goblin: McBain: "I am not dumb, I'm just less intelligent than most people" (Simpsons)Aug 05 23:18
_Goblincubezzz: It may interest you to know, Im interviewing Romeo Knight from Red Sector for OpenbytesAug 05 23:18
MinceRlolAug 05 23:18
cubezzzMinceR, you can put Linux on Amiga HardwareAug 05 23:18
schestowitz_Goblin: not Rimmer from Red Dwarf?Aug 05 23:19
MinceRamiga hardware is weaker, bulkier and heavier than my netbookAug 05 23:19
MinceRwhat's the point? :>Aug 05 23:19
_Goblinschestowitz: Done him....Aug 05 23:19
_GoblinMincer: I used to like you! ;)Aug 05 23:19
MinceR:>Aug 05 23:19
cubezzzwell the programming documentation is excellentAug 05 23:19
MinceRi just refuse to hold on to the past :>Aug 05 23:19
schestowitzMincerosoftAug 05 23:20
MinceRಠ_ಠAug 05 23:20
MinceRthat alias is really handyAug 05 23:20
cubezzzbut my Model T ford still works!Aug 05 23:20
*schestowitz runs under bedAug 05 23:20
_GoblinMincer: What does your handle mean?Aug 05 23:20
schestowitzYeahAug 05 23:20
MinceRas in "mincer"?Aug 05 23:20
_GoblinyeahAug 05 23:20
schestowitzI wondered the same thingAug 05 23:20
schestowitzwhat type?Aug 05 23:21
cubezzzmince was an editor for CP/M ;)Aug 05 23:21
MinceRit's something that chops objects (including humans) into tiny piecesAug 05 23:21
_Goblinbecause it has (I think) a very different meaning in the UK.Aug 05 23:21
schestowitzAnd I don't know his real name or any physical propertyAug 05 23:21
MinceRin the case of humans, it's a bloody processAug 05 23:21
cubezzzmincer: One who uses minceAug 05 23:21
schestowitzHe could be female for all I knowAug 05 23:21
schestowitzHe could be a hot Hungarian gal... grrrrrrrr.....Aug 05 23:21
MinceRi'm maleAug 05 23:21
_Goblinah.Aug 05 23:21
MinceRas for hotness, i can't determine thatAug 05 23:21
MinceR:)Aug 05 23:21
schestowitz:-(Aug 05 23:21
_Goblinmaybe you should check out what Mincer means to a brit.Aug 05 23:21
MinceRthe meaning i mentioned is the one that matters.Aug 05 23:22
_Goblinnp...Aug 05 23:22
cubezzzCP/M editor? :)Aug 05 23:22
_GoblinIm just being scoffy since you dissed the AMigaAug 05 23:22
MinceR:>Aug 05 23:22
MinceRcubezzz: edlin or something like it?Aug 05 23:22
schestowitzMinceR: it's an aggressive nickAug 05 23:22
_Goblin?Aug 05 23:22
MinceRschestowitz: it's an aggressive worldAug 05 23:22
schestowitzand MinceRs work well on canciumAug 05 23:23
schestowitz*lciumAug 05 23:23
MinceRi do use some calciumAug 05 23:23
schestowitzWe have enough for another few billions of peopleAug 05 23:24
schestowitzBut we are running low on some metals nowAug 05 23:24
schestowitzToday at the bike shop we debated where these are madeAug 05 23:24
schestowitzThey have some rare metals on the gearAug 05 23:24
schestowitzAnd we run out of money, must noe recycle from landfills.... if you can find it!!Aug 05 23:24
schestowitzIn Congo (IIRC) people kill over the material that helps make hypePhone shinyAug 05 23:25
_GoblinIm a believe in tupperware being the future.Aug 05 23:25
schestowitzWas it iridium?Aug 05 23:25
schestowitzI think one with a "B"Aug 05 23:25
cubezzzhttp://www.gaby.de/ekildall.htmAug 05 23:25
MinceRberyllium?Aug 05 23:25
schestowitzYeahAug 05 23:25
schestowitzBut was that the conflict element?Aug 05 23:25
MinceRsomeone tell those people that there are lots of hypePhones in cupertinoAug 05 23:26
MinceRlet them looseAug 05 23:26
schestowitzThere's gold... http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-18560_162-5776220.htmlAug 05 23:26
MinceRend one threat to freedomAug 05 23:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Congo's Conflict Gold Pictures - CBS News .::. Size~: 26.42 KBAug 05 23:26
_Goblinwhat about transparent illuminum?Aug 05 23:26
MinceRi don't know, i haven't heard of the congo issuesAug 05 23:26
schestowitzMinceR: cooperTINoAug 05 23:26
_Goblinit saved the whales in Startrek 4Aug 05 23:26
MinceR_Goblin: crApple has no such techAug 05 23:26
_GoblinshameAug 05 23:26
MinceRcrApple is not a technology companyAug 05 23:27
MinceRjust like m$Aug 05 23:27
schestowitzhttp://www.enoughproject.org/publications/digging-in-conflict-mineralsAug 05 23:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Digging In: Recent Developments on Conflict Minerals | Enough .::. Size~: 32.16 KBAug 05 23:27
schestowitzI'm sure China is already up to itAug 05 23:27
_GoblinMINI = Microsoft is Not an InnovatorAug 05 23:27
schestowitzI realise they already dig through our trash with masksAug 05 23:27
MinceR_Goblin: niceAug 05 23:27
schestowitzTrying to salvage metals for spoiled "cons00mers"Aug 05 23:27
_GoblinI think Wino is my best one tonight though.Aug 05 23:28
MinceRTrabant is not a car. Windows is not an operating system.Aug 05 23:28
schestowitzWINO means WINAug 05 23:28
schestowitzLike PATRIOTAug 05 23:28
schestowitzYou need to fit it to LOSOAug 05 23:28
schestowitzOr WIMPAug 05 23:28
_GoblinWimp?Aug 05 23:28
_GoblinI say WINO like drunk.Aug 05 23:29
MinceRWindow, Icon, Menu, PointerAug 05 23:29
MinceRiircAug 05 23:29
schestowitzWindows/ISS/Mysql/phpAug 05 23:29
MinceRoh.Aug 05 23:29
schestowitzIISAug 05 23:29
MinceRtoo much of a WIMP to install apache? :>Aug 05 23:29
schestowitzWindows/ISS/Mars/pollutionAug 05 23:29
schestowitzIt worksAug 05 23:29
schestowitz!Aug 05 23:29
_GoblinI still prefer my Windows is not an Operating system.Aug 05 23:30
MinceRshoot m$ management into the Mars, you mean?Aug 05 23:30
MinceRwould be cheaper than a trip to the Sun, that's grantedAug 05 23:30
schestowitzIt can cool down the planet, MinceRAug 05 23:30
schestowitzTerraformingAug 05 23:31
schestowitzEven 1000 managers can't do the jobAug 05 23:31
_GoblinI don't think it will happenAug 05 23:31
schestowitzThey consume the little oxygen that's there Aug 05 23:31
schestowitzIIRC 50 time thinner than on EarthAug 05 23:31
schestowitz*timesAug 05 23:31
_Goblinpurely due to the psycological effect the long trip would have on anyone travelling there.Aug 05 23:31
_Goblinonly British Rail customers would be able to survive it.Aug 05 23:31
schestowitzThe Russians can jus drop some bombs thereAug 05 23:31
schestowitzThat's how they solve eveythingAug 05 23:32
schestowitznatural gas extraction...Aug 05 23:32
schestowitzPlugging holes in the ocean floor...Aug 05 23:32
MinceRlolAug 05 23:32
_Goblinjust don't use a Windows OS to do it.Aug 05 23:32
schestowitz"Boris, just a stick a uranium cigar in zer and make it go bomba!"Aug 05 23:32
_Goblinor BPAug 05 23:32
schestowitzBig PolluterAug 05 23:33
schestowitz_Goblin: London is filled with their logosAug 05 23:33
schestowitzEven museumsAug 05 23:33
schestowitzThey get a US manager now..Aug 05 23:33
cubezzz""Kildall took me aside once, about '83. [He started] talking about Apple. He opened this door, and I saw the bitterness: 'Steve Jobs is nothing. Steve Wozniak did it all, the hardware and the software. All Jobs did was hang around and take the credit.'" Cooper was not blind to the implications of this. Kildall resented that Gates, this dropout, this businessman, was getting credit for things that Kildall had invented."Aug 05 23:33
_GoblinI think we would be better off looking at the moon and having people in stations there.Aug 05 23:33
schestowitzTo make it US-friendlyAug 05 23:33
MinceRhow much until they rebrand London to BP London? :>Aug 05 23:33
cubezzz"Gary never went back into academia, staying with DRI to its end, when it was sold to Novell in 1991. At Novell, all traces of DRI products and projects quickly dissolved and were absorbed like sutures on a healing wound."Aug 05 23:34
_Goblinthat will be after the olympics....we'll need the sponsorship money to pay for the damn thingAug 05 23:34
MinceR:)Aug 05 23:34
schestowitzcubezzz: academics hardly cheatAug 05 23:35
schestowitzThat's why they succeed less oftenAug 05 23:35
cubezzzKildall did become wealthy thoughAug 05 23:35
cubezzzwith the sale to NovellAug 05 23:35
schestowitziirc postgres was started by prof strongstone or something like thatAug 05 23:35
schestowitzhe lost to the ruthless bribing criminalsAug 05 23:35
schestowitzLike OracleAug 05 23:35
schestowitzBut his project survived with BSD in some formsAug 05 23:36
MinceRafaik oracle is independent of ingresAug 05 23:36
MinceRbut most RDBMSes are ingres-basedAug 05 23:36
schestowitzingre, postgres, gresAug 05 23:36
MinceRm$sql, for exampleAug 05 23:36
schestowitzis it?Aug 05 23:36
MinceRthough the ram-wasting is a new featureAug 05 23:36
schestowitzmysql?Aug 05 23:36
MinceRnopeAug 05 23:36
schestowitzIt uses some pices oracle bought"?Aug 05 23:36
schestowitzlike innodbAug 05 23:36
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingres_%28database%29Aug 05 23:36
TechrightsBotTitle: Ingres (database) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 77.02 KBAug 05 23:36
schestowitzOr berkelyAug 05 23:36
MinceRsybase is based on ingres, tooAug 05 23:36
MinceRand of course postgresqlAug 05 23:37
schestowitz" Who needs commie code?" :-Aug 05 23:37
schestowitz:"Unreliable"Aug 05 23:37
MinceRso once again you see m$ profiting from the "open source" they think is an evil virusAug 05 23:37
schestowitzhttp://www.twit.tv/FLOSS27?page=0%2C0%2C15Aug 05 23:38
TechrightsBotTitle: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 26.2 KBAug 05 23:38
schestowitzThat's the source of what I recently heardAug 05 23:38
schestowitzMinceR: ballmer didn't mean itAug 05 23:38
schestowitzHe was speaking in a press room with mirrorsAug 05 23:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @_Goblin | New acronym time ... WINO = #Windows is Not an Operating system.Aug 05 23:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] ♻ @lorddrachenblut @bkuhn I do agree that Linux/GNU both deserve the credit but people who demand it do more damage than goodAug 05 23:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_Goblin | New acronym time ... WINO = #Windows is Not an Operating system.Aug 05 23:40
schestowitzHow about making it recursive?Aug 05 23:40
MinceRconvince m$ to rebrand it as WINO?Aug 05 23:41
schestowitzThe thing is, I don't talk to MicrosoftAug 05 23:42
_GoblinWindows "Im a PC and its my fault"Aug 05 23:42
_GoblinMicrosoft's always good at shifting blame.Aug 05 23:42
schestowitz_Goblin: tweet itAug 05 23:42
schestowitzI'd RTAug 05 23:42
schestowitz_Goblin: yesAug 05 23:42
_GoblinlolAug 05 23:42
schestowitzThat's what they tried with "my idea"Aug 05 23:42
schestowitzWhen it sucks they say, "it was YOUR idea"Aug 05 23:43
schestowitzI wrote aboiut this in TechrightsAug 05 23:43
schestowitzCause one reader said this when the PR campaign startedAug 05 23:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] WINDOWS = WINDOWS is Not Disk Operating, Workable System (recursive)Aug 05 23:43
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2010/08/is-google-about-to-sell-the-internet-down-the-river/index.htmAug 05 23:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Blogs - Technology Blog and Community from IT Experts  - ComputerworldUK.com .::. Size~: 47.24 KBAug 05 23:43
_GoblinIm on fire tonightAug 05 23:45
MinceRoh, niceAug 05 23:45
_GoblinDid anyone see the Windows rip on the IT Crowd tv show?Aug 05 23:45
schestowitzYeahAug 05 23:46
schestowitzNice one, sirAug 05 23:46
_Goblinah....we're going to die!Aug 05 23:46
schestowitzYou're killing FOSSAug 05 23:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "Im a PC and its my fault" - IMO Far more accurate in regards to #Windows and in my experience, users blame themselves for Microsoft flaws.Aug 05 23:46
schestowitzSo STFUAug 05 23:46
MinceRhmAug 05 23:46
schestowitz"I got Vista 7 and I got pwned.. oh, and it was all MY idea"Aug 05 23:47
_GoblinIve killed the FOSS a few times (allegedly)Aug 05 23:47
schestowitzThanks Bill(G)Aug 05 23:47
MinceRby the time i found the article about hypePhone app development being a losing game (financially) i forgot where the discussion happenedAug 05 23:47
_Goblinthats what Richard saysAug 05 23:47
schestowitzYou're killing MOSSAug 05 23:47
_GoblinlolAug 05 23:47
schestowitzMinceR: ars?Aug 05 23:48
MinceRnopeAug 05 23:48
schestowitzI think the troll pasted it hereAug 05 23:48
MinceRoh.Aug 05 23:48
MinceRthen  http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2010/06/full-analysis-of-iphone-economics-its-bad-news-and-then-it-gets-worse.htmlAug 05 23:48
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schestowitzhypeDollarsAug 05 23:48
schestowitzI thought about it...Aug 05 23:48
schestowitzAn hypePhojn dev in CHina would get paid OKAug 05 23:49
schestowitzBut it's not all proportionalAug 05 23:49
schestowitzWe're headed t/w a state where people in CHina can work full time on app,s West cannotAug 05 23:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canonical releases Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha 3 http://ur1.ca/10hll alpha release of *buntu get more coverage than other finalsAug 05 23:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Perhaps Instead Of Taco Tuesday, They Should Call It Trademark Tuesday http://dlvr.it/3RjgLAug 05 23:51
TechrightsBotTitle: Canonical releases Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha 3 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.12 KBAug 05 23:51
TechrightsBotTitle: Perhaps Instead Of Taco Tuesday, They Should Call It Trademark Tuesday | Techdirt .::. Size~: 21.66 KBAug 05 23:51
MinceRwhy provide ubuntu alphas with coverage then? :>Aug 05 23:52

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