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yuhong | At commenting. | Aug 08 00:00 |
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yuhong | Carriers depend on things like carrier locking. | Aug 08 00:02 |
yuhong | Anyway, carriers depend on things like carrier locking. | Aug 08 00:03 |
yuhong | Google tried to help, but failed. | Aug 08 00:03 |
jweyrich | how old are you yuhong? | Aug 08 00:03 |
yuhong | almost 17. | Aug 08 00:03 |
MinceR | all my 4 phones were always unlocked :> | Aug 08 00:03 |
yuhong | I think carriers are a big barrier to phone freedom. | Aug 08 00:04 |
MinceR | it's possible. | Aug 08 00:04 |
MinceR | likely, even | Aug 08 00:04 |
cubezzz | AX.25 might be worth a look | Aug 08 00:04 |
yuhong | Google tried to help, but kind of failed. | Aug 08 00:05 |
cubezzz | another project on the back-burner | Aug 08 00:05 |
jweyrich | I think telecom regulators are the biggest barrier. | Aug 08 00:05 |
yuhong | Yes, I know. | Aug 08 00:05 |
yuhong | The lobbying, I know. | Aug 08 00:05 |
jweyrich | that's why I support any jailbreaking. | Aug 08 00:07 |
yuhong | I was originally going to discuss this topic. | Aug 08 00:10 |
yuhong | I was not originally going to discuss Windows. | Aug 08 00:10 |
yuhong | But I ended up doing so. Oh well. | Aug 08 00:11 |
ThistleWeb | adgenda setting FTW | Aug 08 00:12 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mjvalente: RT @WiCnet: HBO: Game of Thrones to premiere spring 2011 http://bit.ly/cj8FeQ #GameofThrones | Aug 08 00:13 | |
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cubezzz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010080700539NWBZOO | Aug 08 00:20 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Pakinstan-India-Afghanistan-WikiLeaks | The Hindu http://bit.ly/97pfZc | Aug 08 00:22 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft losing big to Apple in the campus OS war http://tinyurl.com/3xx2odw #microsoft #apple #windows #xp #vista #windows7 #mvpbuzz #mvp | Aug 08 00:25 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@0r3z That's what we have seen in the last N Presidential elections. Same old rulers, different spokespeople. | Aug 08 00:27 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@eikonos Sorry, I have a zero tolerance rule for #Downfall remixes. #donotwant | Aug 08 00:28 | |
FurnaceBoy | yuhong, yuhong - gone already? | Aug 08 00:30 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 7/8/2010: OLPC XO Laptops, Growth of Free Software http://techrights.org/2010/08/07/olpc-xo-laptop/ | Aug 08 00:30 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] The latest build of Chromium seems to have sorted the issue of the missing "home" icon. Missing for 24 hours its whereabouts was a mystery! | Aug 08 00:32 | |
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Balzac | schestowitz: have you considered rebranding your IRC channel to match your new domain, and then forwarding #boycottnovell to #techrights ? | Aug 08 00:34 |
Balzac | It would be a more permanent name for your freenode channel | Aug 08 00:34 |
MinceR | #techrights already exists | Aug 08 00:34 |
schestowitz | We have these channels seaprate | Aug 08 00:34 |
Balzac | ok | Aug 08 00:34 |
MinceR | but there are only few of us there | Aug 08 00:34 |
Balzac | Novell is still a vehicle for software patents, so I understand completely | Aug 08 00:35 |
schestowitz | Just posted the log for today | Aug 08 00:35 |
schestowitz | 950KB | Aug 08 00:35 |
schestowitz | Same as 2 days ago | Aug 08 00:35 |
FurnaceBoy | this channel is for more OT stuff, it seems :D | Aug 08 00:42 |
FurnaceBoy | that may be my fault :-X | Aug 08 00:42 |
schestowitz | Nope | Aug 08 00:44 |
schestowitz | "Fault" has negative connotation | Aug 08 00:44 |
FurnaceBoy | so does being OT | Aug 08 00:49 |
FurnaceBoy | but if this is just 'random ranting, politics, DaemonFC bashing, whatever' then i'm in the clear | Aug 08 00:49 |
_Goblin | Right Im off.....goodnight all. | Aug 08 01:11 |
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jono | schestowitz ping? | Aug 08 01:13 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @DaemonFC: I added a comment, but it is currently held in moderation. That should explain things better to you. | Aug 08 01:22 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Back from another Severed Fifth rehearsal - great jam, and we are continuing to sheen our tunes ready for live. Bring it! #severedfifth | Aug 08 01:32 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks Afghan Papers see Obama poll record low | Townhall http://bit.ly/ddgc0A | Aug 08 02:12 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Karl Rove wants WikiLeaks editor-in-chief 'Hunted Down and Grabbed' | FOX http://bit.ly/dxjeqV | Aug 08 02:33 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '6 Americans, 4 others killed' <— there's your problem, right in the headline | Aug 08 03:00 | |
*FurnaceBoy|here is now known as FurnaceBoy | Aug 08 03:07 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@bonniefuller What would you have babies drink? Coca-Cola? Gisele is right; you're the overprivileged flake in this picture. | Aug 08 03:19 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Friend's #cats literally swing from the chandelier above his dining table. | Aug 08 03:37 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Financing WikiLeaks | Harpers http://harpers.org/archive/2010/08/hbc-90007485 | Aug 08 03:39 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@CJSFNews unfortunately it's not just an unfortunate headline. It's a deliberately crafted piece of #propaganda. Shame, #TIME | Aug 08 03:39 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@Mirandacan The back #TIME cover should show the mangled corpses and maimed living bodies of the civilians caught in US attacks that day. | Aug 08 03:40 | |
cubezzz | going to give AROS another go tonight | Aug 08 04:02 |
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FurnaceBoy | Oh, God, Benjamin Humphrey just made a horse's ass of himself with that column. | Aug 08 04:19 |
*FurnaceBoy only now got around to reading it. | Aug 08 04:19 | |
FurnaceBoy | What a waste of 5 minutes that was. | Aug 08 04:19 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Wikipedia: Afghan War Diary http://bit.ly/aIIS0I | Aug 08 04:25 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: RT @Mondoweiss: Civil disobedience in Israel/Palestine: 12 Israeli women defy army orders, take Palestinians... http://ff.im/oTwPc | Aug 08 04:26 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Visualising Afganistan casualties http://bit.ly/aIoj6B | Aug 08 04:29 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] More visualisations of the Afghan War Diary http://bit.ly/byTg5r | Aug 08 04:30 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] If you want your digital works to survive longer than a housepet, rule #1 is don't use proprietary #software. http://bit.ly/ahDBil #bbc | Aug 08 04:31 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks v. Pentagon: the Costly Pursuit of Control http://bit.ly/bQET4S | Aug 08 05:19 | |
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tessier_ | http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/2010/08/06/keygen-available-for-firefox-4-wait-what/ A firefox crack! Finally we can use it for free! | Aug 08 05:33 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @livegreenordie Russian Blazes Hit #Chernobyl - ExpressUK http://is.gd/e8cfs // this can't be good. Can they fit in an oil spill somehow | Aug 08 05:34 | |
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tessier_ | Wow. I wonder how much radiation could be spread by going up in smoke. | Aug 08 05:35 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@eikonos Harper really said the Cdn economy is 'too fragile' to have an election? #blinks #cdnpoli | Aug 08 05:36 | |
FurnaceBoy | tessier_: yeah | Aug 08 05:37 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@eikonos #Harper said "unnecessary" election wd disrupt economy-Read it&weep http://is.gd/e8eZW //like smth a f***ing #War President wd say | Aug 08 05:45 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] yeah, look at this year's headlines and say #climatechange is a myth. I DON'T SEE SNOW OUT THERE PEOPLE #justsayin #FOX | Aug 08 05:46 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Can someone send me news on OLPC and my Picture in 'scanned' version of Business Lines Hyderabad newspaper (sat, 7 aug). | Aug 08 05:49 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tilapya I'm at Los Angeles International Airport (#LAX) at Sepulveda Blvd, Los Angeles w/ 39 others // gosh, it's almost empty | Aug 08 05:49 | |
FurnaceBoy | nemox: OHAI | Aug 08 05:49 |
FurnaceBoy | nemox: I baked u some dox but.. lolcat atem | Aug 08 05:50 |
nemox | lulz!@ | Aug 08 05:51 |
FurnaceBoy | nemox: I iz doing gentoo update | Aug 08 05:51 |
nemox | i gn33d to dooo backup day! | Aug 08 05:52 |
FurnaceBoy | nemox: yes this is for the Time Capsule server | Aug 08 05:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] The Ongoing WikiLeaks saga (video) | Listening Post http://bit.ly/aSQRYZ | Aug 08 05:52 | |
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FurnaceBoy | nemox: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/2010/07/19/ubuntu-timemachine-server-for-snow-leopard | Aug 08 05:53 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Inception - I have seen 'dream inside dream' many times & In dream I know that i am dreaming. Many times I use to struggle a lot to wake up | Aug 08 06:04 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I will code more If there will be something like jsGtk, jsQt (instead of pygtk and pyqt). | Aug 08 06:16 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Javascript Desktop is interesting - http://www.jsdesk.com/ #javascript #web | Aug 08 06:18 | |
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schestowitz | "Working class' naive belief they too may 1 day be on top 1% rich is a tragedy of #capitalism. Worse, many defend the exploiter." | Aug 08 06:44 |
schestowitz | "I love Michael Moore, btw. Anyone who questions ruling class is quickly called "extremist". Alas, fear-mongering is effective." | Aug 08 06:45 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45064544#notice-45403390 | Aug 08 06:45 |
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schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/327867 | Aug 08 06:45 |
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schestowitz | "that's one of the things that is so thoroughly likable about @schestowitz - he never grows tired of doing so (or rarely lets on if he does)" | Aug 08 06:45 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/statuses/20584549677 "Yes my friend @schestowitz reminded me today that "activist" is the new "terror1st"." | Aug 08 06:52 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Twitter / TT: @eikonos Yes my friend @sc ... .::. Size~: 11.82 KB | Aug 08 06:52 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's called "domestic terrorist" | Aug 08 06:52 |
schestowitz | Those who terrorise the ruling class | Aug 08 06:52 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 08 07:01 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that working class lottery theory is ... the current AMerican vision of life. See: Faludi (Stiffed). It's also very much encouraged, indeed mandated, by the trickle-down lie, which is a very big part of Murdoch's mission to make the dominant and better, only economic vision possible | Aug 08 07:02 |
FurnaceBoy | make it* | Aug 08 07:02 |
schestowitz | "I'd get promoted" | Aug 08 07:03 |
schestowitz | And then comes the massive 'recession' | Aug 08 07:03 |
schestowitz | But they carry on making good films though, "American Dream" | Aug 08 07:03 |
schestowitz | The classic Hollywood plot it like this (talked about it with a mate last night) | Aug 08 07:04 |
schestowitz | Take some star, dress her up in big sweater and glasses | Aug 08 07:04 |
schestowitz | Then towards the climatic scenes she's freed and finds fame | Aug 08 07:04 |
schestowitz | That's what all the shows about 'discovering' talent it all about | Aug 08 07:05 |
schestowitz | People love these because of projection wrt main character | Aug 08 07:05 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: precisely | Aug 08 07:06 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's endlessly reinforced by this crap | Aug 08 07:06 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i call it the lottery theory of life; it's now the main mode of thought thanks to decades of brainwashing (as meticulously documented in that book, and confirmed as you say simply by looking around) | Aug 08 07:07 |
schestowitz | Another thing is church | Aug 08 07:07 |
schestowitz | THe "carry on working, Life 2.0 is so much better" docrtine has also been understood by Churchill | Aug 08 07:08 |
schestowitz | So he suppressed curiousity | Aug 08 07:08 |
schestowitz | Like when they had weird incidents and the Telegraph said last week that he withheld it from the public | Aug 08 07:08 |
schestowitz | Maybe they're right about reality giving people less hope in life | Aug 08 07:08 |
FurnaceBoy | yes | Aug 08 07:11 |
FurnaceBoy | very good point | Aug 08 07:11 |
FurnaceBoy | nite! | Aug 08 07:11 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Delhi Traffic Police is on Facebook! Searching for "dislike" button. | Aug 08 07:11 | |
schestowitz | http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=133099 | Aug 08 07:13 |
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schestowitz | " Like all good stories, the question of which side is good and which is evil depends on, well, which side you're on. Talk to open-source fanatics (and, no, "fanatics" is not too strong a word) and they'll tell you that the ultimate evil is Microsoft. " | Aug 08 07:13 |
schestowitz | What bull | Aug 08 07:13 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Delhi Traffic Police is on Facebook! Searching for "dislike" button. | Aug 08 07:14 | |
schestowitz | http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/coalition-to-dump-flawed-internet-filter-20100805-11kmv.html | Aug 08 07:15 |
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schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/06/russia-fires-moscow | Aug 08 07:19 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Smoke from Russian fires blankets Moscow | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 64.88 KB | Aug 08 07:19 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Climate change denial? There's an app for that http://ur1.ca/11502 there's an app for... just about anything | Aug 08 07:21 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.thenation.com/article/38034/wikileaks-baghdad?page=0,0 | Aug 08 07:22 |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45094101#notice-45424198 "acta is the dislike button" | Aug 08 07:22 |
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schestowitz | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/08/sorry_time_assange_is_a_crimin.html | Aug 08 07:46 |
schestowitz | haha. | Aug 08 07:46 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Forget Stimulus Funds, Open Software can Save the Economy http://ur1.ca/11592 "free software is not always open source" | Aug 08 08:05 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A little dig at Google by #bbcclick - we pay for this rubbish via our license.....5 minutes of that show is enough for me #bbc #fail | Aug 08 08:05 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Bought a 32 IN 1 Screw Driver and USB to SATA/PATA connector on #ebay to open up my good old laptop. | Aug 08 08:28 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin A little dig at Google by #bbcclick - we pay for this rubbish via our license.....5 minutes of that show is enough for me #bbc | Aug 08 08:28 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] The "tribalism" that Shuttleworts warns about. Coming from Ubuntu. http://is.gd/e8nr3 | Aug 08 08:28 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft and Salesforce.com Patent Dispute - a Sign of Battles to Come? - http://bit.ly/bUB1z4 old patents to block new ideas? #swpats | Aug 08 08:31 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Books: The vinyl record of the publishing business - http://bit.ly/cEo0kX it's all about the joys of analogue #books #lps | Aug 08 08:33 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-maddog/maddog-celebrates-his-60th-birthday | Aug 08 08:34 |
TechrightsBot | Title: maddog celebrates his 60th birthday - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 28.93 KB | Aug 08 08:34 |
schestowitz | Just 60? | Aug 08 08:34 |
schestowitz | He looks much older | Aug 08 08:34 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A sign they're bleeding money ♺ @glynmoody: Microsoft and Salesforce.com #swpat Dispute - a Sign of Battles to Come? - http://bit.ly/bUB1z4 | Aug 08 08:40 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] When a company starts using it's #swpat portfolio regularly, it's a sign they're not making enough money with their old business. #Microsoft | Aug 08 08:42 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @bkuhn #FSF's position *only* seem extreme b/c no one is more extreme. OSI'd be seen as extreme if FSF didn't exist. | Aug 08 08:42 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @laurelrusswurm #fsf and @rms are incredibly important but it is precisely people using firefox on windows that educates about #fs #lp | Aug 08 08:44 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Too Many Researchers Are Reluctant to Share Their Data - http://bit.ly/bJDM5C good rebuttal of common, if feeble, objections #opendata | Aug 08 08:54 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bermuda's Legacy: Policy, Timing and the Genome Commons - http://bit.ly/bgY79B excellent study of key open data statement #genomics | Aug 08 08:58 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] War on drugs: why the US and Latin America could be ready to end a fruitless 40-year struggle - http://bit.ly/cw42EY long overdue #drugs | Aug 08 09:01 | |
TechrightsBot | Title: War on drugs: why the US and Latin America could be ready to end a fruitless 40-year struggle | World news | The Observer .::. Size~: 203.55 KB | Aug 08 09:01 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Too Many Researchers Are Reluctant to Share Their Data - http://bit.ly/bJDM5C good rebuttal of common, objections #opendata | Aug 08 09:03 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @jonobacon spdif in not supported in all linux or just ubuntu? There is a difference. And you did file bugzilla or launchpad? | Aug 08 09:07 | |
schestowitz | ASCAP propaganda: http://tinyogg.com/watch/fL2em/ | Aug 08 09:10 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @glynmoody: Hey, that drug article points out one of the few reasons I'm proud to be a Portuguese! :) | Aug 08 09:12 | |
schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/XCBRK/ | Aug 08 09:14 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @RuiSeabra excellent - seems a pretty thorough piece | Aug 08 09:15 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: War on #drugs: why the US and Latin America could be ready to end fruitless 40-year struggle http://bit.ly/cw42EY long overdue | Aug 08 09:15 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 8/8/2010: Android Devices Sold in Volumes, But Google Stops Augen’s Use of Android Market http://ur1.ca/115oo | Aug 08 09:21 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Books: The vinyl record of the publishing business - http://bit.ly/cEo0kX it's all about the joys of analogue > not 4 long | Aug 08 09:24 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra maybe it's a sign Microsoft #KIN wasn't as profitable as patents | Aug 08 09:30 | |
cubevector | well got the dual boot Linux/AROS system working | Aug 08 09:32 |
cubevector | don't have the network working quite yet | Aug 08 09:32 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] How digg groups subvert digg http://is.gd/e8r8t #fail | Aug 08 09:34 | |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45104724#notice-45435290 "So long as ebooks are transitory (like the Kindle version of 1984) and locked behind DRM, books made of paper won't go extinct" | Aug 08 09:35 |
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schestowitz | What about Project Gutenberg? | Aug 08 09:35 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] If there is no net neutrality, is there now a new net liability? - http://bit.ly/aucetb another reason ISPs *must* support #Netneutrality | Aug 08 09:35 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Gingrich Admits to Affair During Clinton Impeachment - http://bit.ly/be38yl "espousing family values while he carried on affair" (via @jdub) | Aug 08 09:46 | |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45105512#notice-45436179 "I love Project Gutenberg, but if DRM doesn't kill it, Google Books just might." | Aug 08 09:50 |
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DaemonFC | just got back from Walmart, glad I wasn't missing any excitement :P | Aug 08 10:06 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patent Threat #Banshee Gets Hooks Into #Ubuntu 10.10 http://ur1.ca/115x4 #novell #mono #swpats | Aug 08 10:16 | |
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DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/ubuntus-community-manager-gratuitously-advertising-for-microsoft/#comment-1505 | Aug 08 10:18 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, I ended up ditching Banshee for Exaile | Aug 08 10:19 |
DaemonFC | just because Banshee was the only thing I actually used that needed Mono | Aug 08 10:19 |
DaemonFC | Rhythmbox seems...limited in a number of ways | Aug 08 10:20 |
DaemonFC | I like the layout of Exaile and the fact that it actually grabs album art for me | Aug 08 10:20 |
DaemonFC | Last.FM has broken their old API and Rhythmbox no longer works reliably with it anymore anyway | Aug 08 10:21 |
DaemonFC | Banshee uses the new API that you have to pay to access | Aug 08 10:21 |
DaemonFC | and the RIAA has been getting dicky over licensing with them | Aug 08 10:22 |
DaemonFC | so there's getting to be less and less stuff they can actually stream anyway | Aug 08 10:22 |
DaemonFC | Linux 2.6.34 has been pushed to the Fedora 13 test updates | Aug 08 10:34 |
DaemonFC | (2.6.34.2) | Aug 08 10:34 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Gingrich Admits to Affair During Clinton Impeachment http://bit.ly/be38yl 'espousing family values while he carried on affair' | Aug 08 10:39 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Media Spin Watch: Internet Explorer 9 Promotion, MS-PL Defence, #GPL Scare, and #SAP as an ‘Open Source’ Company http://ur1.ca/1164b #fud | Aug 08 10:41 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #paypal security theatre. Refuses codes from its own token. #fail | Aug 08 10:48 | |
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schestowitz | http://idhttp://identi.ca/notice/45436006enti.ca/conversation/45105512#notice-45436179 "I love Project Gutenberg, but if DRM doesn't kill it, Google Books just might." | Aug 08 11:00 |
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schestowitz | "If circumvention of DRM becomes illegal globally, do you think there will be an e-reader on the market not locked by DRM?" | Aug 08 11:00 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Glorious news | Aug 08 11:01 |
DaemonFC | Gonad The Barbarian sent my mom the $2,000 he stole from her | Aug 08 11:01 |
DaemonFC | and $600 to cover the lawyer's expenses she took on getting it back :P | Aug 08 11:01 |
schestowitz | So she can fly to France again | Aug 08 11:01 |
DaemonFC | I don't know why anyone would want to go there | Aug 08 11:02 |
DaemonFC | but it is her money | Aug 08 11:02 |
oiaohm | Rate is going circumvention of DRM will be legal everywhere. schestowitz | Aug 08 11:03 |
DaemonFC | the impression I got from her description is like France is another planet or something | Aug 08 11:05 |
DaemonFC | where supermarkets and two lane streets haven't been invented | Aug 08 11:05 |
DaemonFC | and Gypsies will mug you at knife point | Aug 08 11:05 |
DaemonFC | because guns are illegal | Aug 08 11:05 |
DaemonFC | and if you defend yourself, you can go to jail longer than your attacker | Aug 08 11:06 |
DaemonFC | cause hell, they're Europeans | Aug 08 11:06 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 11:06 |
DaemonFC | only Europeans and to a somewhat lesser extent, Canadians have it in their heads that defending yourself can be a crime | Aug 08 11:07 |
oiaohm | Really the problem is France did not need supermarkets | Aug 08 11:07 |
DaemonFC | I'd like some justification of that stupid line of thought | Aug 08 11:07 |
DaemonFC | she brought back some French cheese | Aug 08 11:07 |
oiaohm | France has had for over 100 years the equal to open air shoping areas. | Aug 08 11:07 |
DaemonFC | which tasted awful | Aug 08 11:07 |
DaemonFC | and some French chocolate | Aug 08 11:07 |
DaemonFC | which tasted like baking cocoa | Aug 08 11:08 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 11:08 |
DaemonFC | these people are seriously messed up | Aug 08 11:08 |
schestowitz | You are | Aug 08 11:08 |
schestowitz | Nationalist too | Aug 08 11:08 |
DaemonFC | it's no wonder none of them are fat if their food tastes that bad | Aug 08 11:08 |
oiaohm | That in the same distance as going around a supermarket you could get the same ammount of items in france. DaemonFC | Aug 08 11:08 |
DaemonFC | then they put tartar sauce on fries | Aug 08 11:08 |
DaemonFC | who the hell does that? | Aug 08 11:08 |
oiaohm | Lot of things are aquired taste. | Aug 08 11:09 |
DaemonFC | must be | Aug 08 11:09 |
oiaohm | I don't mind tartar sause in fries | Aug 08 11:09 |
DaemonFC | I like food served two ways | Aug 08 11:09 |
DaemonFC | spicy | Aug 08 11:09 |
DaemonFC | and spicier | Aug 08 11:09 |
oiaohm | And the french would think your food was insane. | Aug 08 11:09 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Godwin's law | Aug 08 11:10 |
DaemonFC | you use Nationalist as a code word for Nazi | Aug 08 11:10 |
DaemonFC | or so it seems | Aug 08 11:10 |
DaemonFC | The French make no sense to me, I'd hate to live there | Aug 08 11:11 |
DaemonFC | that's my opinion | Aug 08 11:11 |
DaemonFC | I'd hate to live anywhere where I could get mugged and then thrown in jail for having been mugged | Aug 08 11:11 |
DaemonFC | if someone attacks me and gets shot and/or their ass kicked, then they got what they deserved | Aug 08 11:12 |
DaemonFC | any legal system that would punish me for defending myself is a bad legal system | Aug 08 11:12 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Patent Offensive “a Sign They’re Not Making Enough Money With Their Old Business.” http://ur1.ca/116bs #swpats #salesforce | Aug 08 11:12 | |
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DaemonFC | you pull a knife on someone and they shoot you, it's not their fault you got shot | Aug 08 11:13 |
DaemonFC | end of story | Aug 08 11:13 |
DaemonFC | and it should be common sense that this is what you risk in trying to attack them | Aug 08 11:13 |
DaemonFC | that it may not go so well for you | Aug 08 11:13 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Criminals like John Dillinger went out of their way not to rob or kill bystanders | Aug 08 11:14 |
DaemonFC | their was a guy in one of the banks that he knocked over that had just cashed his paycheck and tried handing the money to Dillinger | Aug 08 11:15 |
DaemonFC | who handed it back and said he didn't want that guys money, he wanted the bank's money | Aug 08 11:15 |
DaemonFC | that's why public opinion was not against Dillinger | Aug 08 11:15 |
DaemonFC | he wasn't seen as someone who was attacking the general public | Aug 08 11:15 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #paypal will send me a new token. That just took me 6 EUR on their support hotline. Very uncool. | Aug 08 11:15 | |
schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/396535/ | Aug 08 11:17 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, nationalist doesn't mean that | Aug 08 11:17 |
DaemonFC | that's the reason muggings are unheard of in most places in the US | Aug 08 11:17 |
schestowitz | It just means you have nationalist pride and disdain for all other countries | Aug 08 11:17 |
DaemonFC | the only places you see lots of muggings are states and localities with gun control laws | Aug 08 11:18 |
DaemonFC | European emulation | Aug 08 11:18 |
DaemonFC | shouldn't be tolerated there | Aug 08 11:18 |
DaemonFC | if someone mugs me, I'll shoot them | Aug 08 11:18 |
DaemonFC | and not ask questions later | Aug 08 11:18 |
DaemonFC | I won't feel guilty | Aug 08 11:18 |
schestowitz | Give people nukes, too, according to your logic | Aug 08 11:19 |
DaemonFC | not really | Aug 08 11:19 |
DaemonFC | small weapons like knives are still there | Aug 08 11:19 |
schestowitz | Yes really | Aug 08 11:19 |
schestowitz | Knives are less lethal than guns | Aug 08 11:19 |
DaemonFC | and criminals are less anxious about using knives in Europe | Aug 08 11:19 |
schestowitz | You can stab someone once and he'll let you have his wallet | Aug 08 11:19 |
DaemonFC | because they know you can't shoot them | Aug 08 11:19 |
schestowitz | You can't do that with a gun | Aug 08 11:19 |
DaemonFC | I'm going to shoot them | Aug 08 11:19 |
DaemonFC | and not be stabbed | Aug 08 11:19 |
DaemonFC | and keep my wallet | Aug 08 11:19 |
DaemonFC | hell with them | Aug 08 11:20 |
schestowitz | Sick man | Aug 08 11:20 |
DaemonFC | no | Aug 08 11:20 |
schestowitz | Seek counselling | Aug 08 11:20 |
schestowitz | Oh wait | Aug 08 11:20 |
DaemonFC | I refuse to be stabbed | Aug 08 11:20 |
schestowitz | You already do | Aug 08 11:20 |
DaemonFC | they deserve to be shot if they try to stab me | Aug 08 11:20 |
MinceR | you could shoot them ion the foot | Aug 08 11:20 |
MinceR | you can also kill with a knife | Aug 08 11:20 |
MinceR | s/ion/in/ | Aug 08 11:20 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, Maybe I will shoot them in the foot | Aug 08 11:20 |
DaemonFC | just so I can filet them with the non-lethal knife | Aug 08 11:20 |
DaemonFC | just to prove schestowitz's line of thought | Aug 08 11:21 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 11:21 |
DaemonFC | show him I can be a humanitarian | Aug 08 11:21 |
DaemonFC | stab them non-lethally with the knife | Aug 08 11:21 |
DaemonFC | like 20 times | Aug 08 11:21 |
DaemonFC | like they may have done to me | Aug 08 11:21 |
DaemonFC | and I would have lived and fully recovered | Aug 08 11:21 |
cubevector | they would bleed to death | Aug 08 11:21 |
DaemonFC | if I just hadn't shot them | Aug 08 11:21 |
DaemonFC | because knives are not dangerous weapons | Aug 08 11:22 |
DaemonFC | and have never killed anyone | Aug 08 11:22 |
MinceR | :> | Aug 08 11:22 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2009/07/02/why-i-disagree-with-rms-concerning-mono/ | Aug 08 11:22 |
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DaemonFC | MinceR, or maybe I'll just march them up to the 30th floor of a building and push them out the window | Aug 08 11:22 |
DaemonFC | so schestowitz can't say I committed a gun crime | Aug 08 11:23 |
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cubevector | see the problem with that thinking is when both of you have a gun | Aug 08 11:23 |
MinceR | :> | Aug 08 11:23 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm | Aug 08 11:23 |
DaemonFC | Jabba is hunting a permanent marker | Aug 08 11:23 |
MinceR | should we ban 30th floors, windows or both? | Aug 08 11:23 |
MinceR | they kill people! | Aug 08 11:24 |
DaemonFC | don't forget rocks | Aug 08 11:24 |
DaemonFC | you can bash someone in the head with a rock | Aug 08 11:24 |
cubevector | and big screwdrivers | Aug 08 11:24 |
MinceR | and fists | Aug 08 11:24 |
DaemonFC | and toothbrushes should be banned too | Aug 08 11:24 |
cubevector | and a heavy old computer power supply | Aug 08 11:24 |
DaemonFC | people get shanked with them all the time in prison | Aug 08 11:24 |
MinceR | and feet | Aug 08 11:24 |
MinceR | and knees | Aug 08 11:25 |
MinceR | and elbows | Aug 08 11:25 |
cubevector | ok, I think we're done :) | Aug 08 11:25 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, Report for tooth extraction immediately | Aug 08 11:25 |
MinceR | :> | Aug 08 11:25 |
DaemonFC | can't have you biting anyone | Aug 08 11:25 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 11:25 |
cubevector | but I'm eating corn on the cob tomorrow | Aug 08 11:26 |
DaemonFC | cubevector, Are corn cob holders legal in Canada? | Aug 08 11:27 |
DaemonFC | you can really hurt someone with those | Aug 08 11:27 |
cubevector | I don't think they would make a good weapon | Aug 08 11:27 |
cubevector | very short reach | Aug 08 11:28 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, for home defense I'd likely use my shotgun | Aug 08 11:28 |
DaemonFC | but those aren't practical to carry around | Aug 08 11:28 |
DaemonFC | http://a.imageshack.us/img64/2667/dscf2846r.jpg | Aug 08 11:29 |
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DaemonFC | that it | Aug 08 11:29 |
DaemonFC | *is | Aug 08 11:29 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 11:29 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz said it's tiny, but it's better than what the police use | Aug 08 11:30 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 11:30 |
cubevector | does Judas_PhD ever talk? :) | Aug 08 11:30 |
MinceR | yes, he says "Aaarrrggghhh!!!" when he leaves | Aug 08 11:31 |
MinceR | :> | Aug 08 11:31 |
cubevector | well AROS was disappointing | Aug 08 11:31 |
cubevector | still fighting with it | Aug 08 11:31 |
MinceR | of course -- it's not a multiuser OS with access control, is it? :> | Aug 08 11:32 |
cubevector | well I might just replace it with Haiku | Aug 08 11:32 |
DaemonFC | I do have a type IIIA ballistic vest | Aug 08 11:33 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 11:33 |
DaemonFC | that would stop a .44 Magnum round | Aug 08 11:33 |
schestowitz | cubevector: I think it's a spy | Aug 08 11:34 |
MinceR | but not a .45? :> | Aug 08 11:34 |
DaemonFC | Type IV's are quite a bit bulkier | Aug 08 11:34 |
schestowitz | Probably one of the Microsoft/ACCESS trolls | Aug 08 11:34 |
DaemonFC | those are good against some armor piercing rounds | Aug 08 11:34 |
schestowitz | But I'm not sure | Aug 08 11:34 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] München wies leibt und lebt. http://sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/mieterin-kein-platz-fuer-kinder-1.985217 | Aug 08 11:34 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=2 "[PJ: This makes me want to get a BlackBerry.] " | Aug 08 11:35 |
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DaemonFC | I'd like to get one of those Dragon Skin vests | Aug 08 11:35 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 11:35 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29 | Aug 08 11:36 |
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MinceR | whoa | Aug 08 11:37 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, They make entire suits | Aug 08 11:38 |
DaemonFC | up to the Level V variant | Aug 08 11:38 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 08 11:38 |
schestowitz | MinceR: check out the page | Aug 08 11:38 |
schestowitz | Count how many articles on Apple | Aug 08 11:39 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, The Type V variant can withstand a grenade blast | Aug 08 11:39 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 11:39 |
DaemonFC | I'd really hate to have to stop someone wearing a suit of Dragon Skin armor | Aug 08 11:40 |
DaemonFC | about all anything I have to shoot at them with would do is sting them | Aug 08 11:40 |
DaemonFC | maybe knock them back a bit | Aug 08 11:41 |
DaemonFC | unless I was just really lucky | Aug 08 11:41 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfGwfhU7z5M | Aug 08 11:42 |
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DaemonFC | Actually | Aug 08 11:42 |
DaemonFC | I want one of those suits | Aug 08 11:42 |
DaemonFC | but they don't carry them in my size | Aug 08 11:42 |
MinceR | PJ's not in love with her hypePhone anymore? | Aug 08 11:43 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: shoot themin the face. | Aug 08 11:43 |
MinceR | s/min/m in/ | Aug 08 11:43 |
DaemonFC | the Kull Warriors? | Aug 08 11:46 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 11:46 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Maybe the end of #wave wasn't such bad news after all? #freesoftware http://fsmsh.com/3382 #google | Aug 08 11:46 | |
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MinceR | DaemonFC: that "someone wearing a suit of Dragon Skin armor" | Aug 08 11:47 |
DaemonFC | right | Aug 08 11:48 |
DaemonFC | that might be a challenge :) | Aug 08 11:48 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXX92tM1s0 | Aug 08 11:49 |
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DaemonFC | :D | Aug 08 11:49 |
schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 | Aug 08 11:50 |
schestowitz | "[PJ: So, an alternative to Google Wave we could use for doing PDFs as text and then HTML? What do you think?] " | Aug 08 11:50 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, I like Dr. Rush | Aug 08 11:50 |
schestowitz | Yes, Groklaw has been wanting to go with Google for discussion.. since they introduced it | Aug 08 11:50 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 11:50 |
schestowitz | I don't trust Wave | Aug 08 11:50 |
schestowitz | It's like talking to Google | Aug 08 11:50 |
schestowitz | [oh, to some people too] | Aug 08 11:50 |
schestowitz | Techrights is mostly IRC now | Aug 08 11:51 |
schestowitz | Real time, no Google | Aug 08 11:51 |
schestowitz | We made blog comments subs-only | Aug 08 11:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fsmag it's not bad news. We don't need Google to control IM too/mail too | Aug 08 11:51 | |
schestowitz | Judas_PhD: hi | Aug 08 11:52 |
schestowitz | Say something | Aug 08 11:52 |
DaemonFC | SyFy Channel got conned into making the SGU site from Silverlight | Aug 08 11:53 |
DaemonFC | well, part of it anyway | Aug 08 11:53 |
DaemonFC | the latest Moonlight plug-in can finally load the "Photosynth" section | Aug 08 11:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] HP CEO Mark Hurd Resigns After Sexual Harassment Accusations http://ur1.ca/116nf Can they ever have a non-scandalous CEO at HP? | Aug 08 11:56 | |
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DaemonFC | haha | Aug 08 11:57 |
schestowitz | "@schestowitz Banshee is getting sound menu hooks, but AFAIK should not replace rhythmbox in the standard edition." http://identi.ca/conversation/45108200#notice-45444609 | Aug 08 11:59 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nicholas Negroponte: The Physical Book Is Dead In 5 Years http://ur1.ca/116ol been having this discussion today | Aug 08 12:01 | |
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schestowitz | "[PJ: Maybe they will investigate why Linux articles disappear as well.]" | Aug 08 12:02 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/kevinrose/status/20425643104 | Aug 08 12:02 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Groklaw re Digg being gamed: "Maybe they will investigate why #Linux articles disappear as well." context @ http://ur1.ca/10v6b | Aug 08 12:04 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It is beginning to look as though there is also fraud at HP. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?blogid=150&entry_id=69602 | Aug 08 12:05 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, I tested out Lightspark | Aug 08 12:07 |
DaemonFC | it's not much better than GNASH | Aug 08 12:07 |
DaemonFC | it loads Youtube and most flash ads | Aug 08 12:07 |
DaemonFC | but not much else | Aug 08 12:08 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Hieroglyph Plugin for WordPress - http://bit.ly/9SwmLS "will release it as open source code when it is finished". cool #hieroglyphs #plugin | Aug 08 12:08 | |
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MinceR | have you tried swfdec? | Aug 08 12:12 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWspbjVhTkA&feature=related | Aug 08 12:13 |
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DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 12:13 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Network admin Terry Childs gets 4-year sentence http://ur1.ca/116rw Not telling passwords = worse than theft/fraud? | Aug 08 12:13 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] @schestowitz I agree with that. But, Wave was actually also released as a free protocol... not everything Google does is bad (nor good!) | Aug 08 12:17 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google denies abandoning #netneutrality http://ur1.ca/116sg let's hope it's true | Aug 08 12:17 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Verizon also denies that the #netneutrality story is true (Google smear) http://ur1.ca/116sp #nyt #fud #fail | Aug 08 12:20 | |
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DaemonFC | "The nigger will lie, the nigger will make excuses, the nigger will use words he don't really know!" | Aug 08 12:21 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 12:21 |
DaemonFC | "Is this what you nigga's put on your feet these days? I'm black, I ain't walkin' on the moon, I'm walkin' to the liquor store!" | Aug 08 12:23 |
DaemonFC | "Well, I'm black now, so the first thing I did was quit all my jobs" | Aug 08 12:23 |
DaemonFC | lol | Aug 08 12:23 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: shut your trap | Aug 08 12:25 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzc2d1r5NwU&feature=related | Aug 08 12:25 |
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DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 08 12:25 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4mxqzC9Xus&feature=related | Aug 08 12:27 |
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DaemonFC | I love that show | Aug 08 12:29 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Video: police officers filmed smashing up pensioner's car - http://bit.ly/9XTspl British policing at its finest (via @PoliceStateUK) | Aug 08 12:30 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, I have my DVR set to catch it | Aug 08 12:31 |
DaemonFC | actually, Adult Swim overall rocks | Aug 08 12:31 |
DaemonFC | but Boondocks is the best thing to get picked up by it in a while | Aug 08 12:31 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] In Family Guy S06E06 there is a pair of *Portuguese* who're actually speaking with brazillian accent #casting #fail | Aug 08 14:05 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] There's a World Sauna competition now? http://bit.ly/cnS3np | Aug 08 14:10 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Now repeat after me children 'Bill Gates is a GOD' http://bit.ly/aKxGXD | Aug 08 14:18 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] MIT: WikiLeaks, Ellsberg and military funding | Boston Herald http://bit.ly/axy5P2 | Aug 08 14:22 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz it's been an elegant corpse since the late 1990s | Aug 08 14:38 | |
DaemonFC | http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=49366776 | Aug 08 14:42 |
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DaemonFC | lol | Aug 08 14:42 |
DaemonFC | Jail Fried Jail! | Aug 08 14:50 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 14:50 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] E-books article drinking game http://bookavore.tumblr.com/post/871178080/e-books-article-drinking-game | Aug 08 14:51 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] cellphone battery zero :( No charger near around. Why don't these Mobile phone comes with mechanical charger | Aug 08 14:56 | |
DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g4pCP-RjjszM3aL9-GOoxK4UJAPw | Aug 08 15:00 |
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oiaohm | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100807112235763 Boy You cannot keep a bad company down. | Aug 08 15:21 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/08/doctor-karen-woo-not-religious | Aug 08 15:39 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is my 20,000th dent. I began in February 17th, 2009 | Aug 08 16:05 | |
schestowitz | http://www.freshinfo.com/index.php?s=n&ss=nd&sid=51885&s_txt=&s_date=0&ms==0&ntype=nws "Bill & Melissa Gates Foundation" | Aug 08 16:07 |
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schestowitz | Melissa | Aug 08 16:07 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, I did pick up an analog headset/microphone at Walmart last night | Aug 08 16:14 |
DaemonFC | that USB one has never worked right | Aug 08 16:14 |
schestowitz | http://vietnamnews.vnagency.com.vn/Social-Isssues/Education/202091/Plan-to-boost-computer-literacy.html | Aug 08 16:14 |
schestowitz | Bill is attacking Vietnam | Aug 08 16:14 |
schestowitz | They move to FOSS | Aug 08 16:15 |
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schestowitz | So he's attacking | Aug 08 16:15 |
schestowitz | With Microsoft | Aug 08 16:15 |
DaemonFC | and they set the max volume to comply with some Euro nanny state nonsense | Aug 08 16:15 |
DaemonFC | in the device firmware no less | Aug 08 16:15 |
DaemonFC | so no OS could override it | Aug 08 16:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy and DaemonFC, all | Aug 08 16:16 |
DaemonFC | if the volume is uncomfortable, turn it down | Aug 08 16:16 |
DaemonFC | if you're a dumbass, leave it up and go deaf | Aug 08 16:16 |
DaemonFC | why does the EU have to interfere? | Aug 08 16:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> I have some interesting news that might impact Moonlight/Silverlight | Aug 08 16:16 |
DaemonFC | morning | Aug 08 16:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | It seems that MS was going port to Intel's Linux its own Silverlight version, but that never came about | Aug 08 16:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | But now, it seems that Android is fast overtaking about everything, and Netflix is going make its own Andriod software to play their movies there. | Aug 08 16:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Not sure if Netflix software is a Silverlight port, or more likely just Java with DRM | Aug 08 16:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Android the Intel version can be run in Virtualbox within Linux | Aug 08 16:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://mashable.com/2010/08/07/netflix-android-app/ | Aug 08 16:21 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | "As The Next Web notes, there is already an unofficial Netflix app for Android phones, but it leaves a lot to be desired because it eats up your handset?s battery and displays a lot of ads, so an official app would be very welcome." | Aug 08 16:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/08/08/netflix_streaming_finally_headed_to_android | Aug 08 16:22 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | http://wwwery.com/5093-netflix-android-app-in-the-works-yes-confirms-netflix-employee.html | Aug 08 16:22 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | http://erictric.com/2010/08/07/netflix-for-android-under-development/ | Aug 08 16:22 |
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DaemonFC | heh | Aug 08 16:24 |
DaemonFC | the driver for my camera no longer smudges things | Aug 08 16:24 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Blockbuster already has an Android app, that will let you download/watch paid movies, not sure if its the same as what they have using MS DRM as it costs $3.99 pwr movie | Aug 08 16:24 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://mobiputing.com/2010/08/blockbuster-app-lets-you-download-watch-movies-on-your-android-phone/ | Aug 08 16:24 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367373,00.asp | Aug 08 16:25 |
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schestowitz | [16:21] <TechrightsBot> Title: Netflix Streaming Is Coming to Your Android Phone [APP] .::. Size~: 85.35 KB | Aug 08 16:26 |
schestowitz | Seen that | Aug 08 16:26 |
schestowitz | Android is the 'new Linux' | Aug 08 16:26 |
schestowitz | In some senses | Aug 08 16:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Now the unofficial port of Netflix Android requires version 2.1. | Aug 08 16:26 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: stick to the topic, please | Aug 08 16:26 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: BIllG is revving up his attack on Linux | Aug 08 16:26 |
schestowitz | This is criminal stuff | Aug 08 16:27 |
schestowitz | This lobbyist harms other countries | Aug 08 16:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leonie-haimson/the-most-dangerous-man-in_b_641832.html | Aug 08 16:27 |
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schestowitz | [Gates] | Aug 08 16:27 |
schestowitz | Probably means "World", not "America" | Aug 08 16:28 |
schestowitz | I'm surprised IBM isn't called "Paranoid" for pointing the finger at Microsoft after antitrust | Aug 08 16:28 |
schestowitz | Google too | Aug 08 16:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, but is it possible, that this could be ported to Linux from Android? Its most likely Java, could it be backward engined? Or just run in Virtualbox? I am running the intel live cd in v1.6 r2 of Android in Virtualbox with internet access no problem. | Aug 08 16:28 |
schestowitz | With the whole Japan thign | Aug 08 16:28 |
schestowitz | Antitrust/J-FTC | Aug 08 16:28 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Moblin is dead | Aug 08 16:28 |
schestowitz | No word since 2009 about Silver Lie for it | Aug 08 16:28 |
schestowitz | But Silver Lie gets no word, either | Aug 08 16:29 |
schestowitz | It's dead in the water | Aug 08 16:29 |
DaemonFC | Miguel likes it | Aug 08 16:29 |
DaemonFC | you can make zomg desktop widgets with it | Aug 08 16:30 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 16:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | What is interesting with this is Moonlight sole reason to exsist is Netflix/Blockbuster streaming. Without that lockin for Silverlight, Mono/moonlight has no reason to live. And Moonlight can never run Netflix because of the DRM anyway. | Aug 08 16:30 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, so wait a second | Aug 08 16:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Linux users are only interested in Moonlight as a means to run Netflix streaming movies, which it fails at. But the Android way may provide the best option for Linux users. | Aug 08 16:32 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft licenses the codec pack to be used in a web browser | Aug 08 16:32 |
DaemonFC | right? | Aug 08 16:32 |
DaemonFC | What's stopping you from making a Moonlight desklet that plays music files but has a built in mini browser that pulls up lyrics or Wikipedia info in the player? | Aug 08 16:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | We do not know if the Android unofficial Netflix streaming app uses any MS codecs | Aug 08 16:33 |
DaemonFC | then you still fall under the "in a web browser" license to use Microsoft's codecs | Aug 08 16:33 |
DaemonFC | technically that makes the media player a web browser | Aug 08 16:34 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and we don't know if that android app uses Silverlight, it could all be written in Java | Aug 08 16:34 |
DaemonFC | the Netflix site only uses Silverlight as an overglorified MPEG player | Aug 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | with DRM | Aug 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | you can get that from Flash | Aug 08 16:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, most likely it has to play wmv files, so the codecs is a good point, DaemonFC | Aug 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | right, so write your media player in Moonlight | Aug 08 16:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | another good point, maybe they are using Flash somehow | Aug 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | and use the codecs from Microsoft | Aug 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | but call it your "media web browser" | Aug 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | and you're still covered under the codec license | Aug 08 16:36 |
schestowitz | Lastest intl' PR: v | Aug 08 16:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.breakingmoneynews.com/the-worlds-richest-people-mull-giving-away-fortunes/007369 | Aug 08 16:36 |
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DaemonFC | they never said the web browser couldn't load media playlists | Aug 08 16:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | There is an Android 2.0 intel version on cd for the eeepc available | Aug 08 16:36 |
DaemonFC | or that it couldn't load files from the local disk drive | Aug 08 16:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and Intel has ported the files for Android 2.2 already, those files can be downloaded, but I have not seen it put into a live or install cd image yet. | Aug 08 16:37 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, That still doesn't get them past DRM, but then again, it does | Aug 08 16:37 |
DaemonFC | because they can implement some kind of check to make sure you're using their player | Aug 08 16:38 |
DaemonFC | and if you are, send the stream without Silverlight DRM | Aug 08 16:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | obviously, someone already has got past all the DRM | Aug 08 16:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | unofficail Android app | Aug 08 16:38 |
DaemonFC | well, what I mean is that you could implement a Netflix app in Moonlight | Aug 08 16:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | already out there | Aug 08 16:38 |
DaemonFC | and just use your own DRM | Aug 08 16:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but why would we want to use moonlight? | Aug 08 16:39 |
DaemonFC | maybe you wouldn't | Aug 08 16:39 |
DaemonFC | most people are ignorant | Aug 08 16:39 |
DaemonFC | they push a button, it works | Aug 08 16:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | wouldn't Java be better? | Aug 08 16:39 |
DaemonFC | they're happy until something eats all their files and spams their email contacts with porn and worms | Aug 08 16:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Moonlight is at best, second hand buggie software that trys to copy Silverlight, is always far behind, and dosen't work for Netflix | Aug 08 16:40 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, There's a guy I know up in Ft Wayne that I talk to over Yahoo (on Pidgin) | Aug 08 16:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The app for Netflix is suppose to reg to the phone | Aug 08 16:41 |
DaemonFC | his PC got infected with an IM spamming worm | Aug 08 16:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so should work in Virtualbox, is my thinking | Aug 08 16:41 |
DaemonFC | it would log in whenever he was away for a few minutes and start sending viagra and porn spam to his contact list | Aug 08 16:41 |
DaemonFC | including me | Aug 08 16:41 |
DaemonFC | and offer copies of itself | Aug 08 16:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> Windows Messinger (IM) is the worse one for malware | Aug 08 16:42 |
DaemonFC | Yahoo is actually worse | Aug 08 16:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I used to disable it right away in XP when I used to run that | Aug 08 16:42 |
DaemonFC | Windows Live Messenger lets you tick a box to disable file transfers for executable file types | Aug 08 16:43 |
DaemonFC | and set it to virus scan everything you transfer | Aug 08 16:43 |
DaemonFC | Yahoo doesn't have that | Aug 08 16:43 |
DaemonFC | also, WLM is set by default to ignore messages from anyone not on your contact list | Aug 08 16:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Windows messinger would also have popups when not using it | Aug 08 16:43 |
DaemonFC | Yahoo isn't | Aug 08 16:43 |
DaemonFC | 127.0.0.1 rad.msn.com | Aug 08 16:44 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 08 16:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Anyway, the Android ports or complete rewrites in Java (possibliy Java) I found interesting. They could make Mono/Moonlight totally a worthless effort, which really it is anyway. | Aug 08 16:45 |
DaemonFC | there's so many backdoors in Windows | Aug 08 16:45 |
DaemonFC | if anyone knew how many things connected to Microsoft servers and sent encrypted data | Aug 08 16:45 |
DaemonFC | they'd freak out | Aug 08 16:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I had a host file that blocked it all MS sites at one time, thinking it was 67k of text files, but don't quote me on this one. | Aug 08 16:46 |
DaemonFC | if you use "recommended settings" on Windows and a program crashes, it sends a memory dump to Microsoft without asking you or offering to show you what's in the report | Aug 08 16:46 |
DaemonFC | that's always kind of scared me | Aug 08 16:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I used TweakIUE (spelling. a ms app), SafeXP, and XPantispy, to stop a bunch of that crap in windows. | Aug 08 16:47 |
DaemonFC | Fedora's bug reporter will not let you submit an error report until you check a box that says you've looked over the data and are satisfied there's no confidential information in it | Aug 08 16:48 |
DaemonFC | and the display window is also an editor that lets you redact the sensitive data before submitting the report | Aug 08 16:49 |
DaemonFC | so Fedora is obviously concerned that you might submit sensitive info and won't let YOU agree to send any to them | Aug 08 16:49 |
DaemonFC | which I think is nice | Aug 08 16:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS has never cared about the privacy of its users. Which is why I find it so hypicritical of MS when they attack Google for privacy concerns, as MS is the biggest exploiter. | Aug 08 16:50 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu's bug reporter doesn't nag the user to make sure they aren't sending sensitive info | Aug 08 16:50 |
DaemonFC | I bleached my shoes | Aug 08 16:51 |
DaemonFC | and I can still smell the bleach :P | Aug 08 16:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Anyway, it is possible that the Android netflix app could spell doom for Mono/Moonlight | Aug 08 16:52 |
DaemonFC | maybe maybe not | Aug 08 16:52 |
DaemonFC | if anything it just means a win for Flash | Aug 08 16:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Moonlight could continue on as another Zombie | Aug 08 16:52 |
DaemonFC | since HTML 5 doesn't have DRM, Netflix already said they won't use that | Aug 08 16:52 |
DaemonFC | Silverlight is not cross platform | Aug 08 16:53 |
DaemonFC | Flash is | Aug 08 16:53 |
DaemonFC | about the only platform keeping Flash off of it is the hypedevices | Aug 08 16:53 |
DaemonFC | but those don't run Silverlight either | Aug 08 16:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I thought Java, cause Android is Linux kernel with mostly Java apps. But you might be onto something, as Android has Flash too. | Aug 08 16:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | which might take care of the DRM and codecs as well | Aug 08 16:54 |
DaemonFC | right | Aug 08 16:55 |
DaemonFC | and Java isn't hardware accelerated | Aug 08 16:55 |
DaemonFC | Flash can be | Aug 08 16:55 |
DaemonFC | Jobs lied through his teeth | Aug 08 16:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Netflix is not important to me. There are plenty of other sites to get your stuff from if you want it that way. | Aug 08 16:55 |
DaemonFC | Flash doesn't HAVE to be a battery hog, I rather think that Apple just didn't want to make their hardware accelerated video API known to anyone else | Aug 08 16:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Me, I would rather go get the plastic disk. | Aug 08 16:56 |
DaemonFC | I'm not against DRM if you agreed that you were only going to be "renting the content" | Aug 08 16:56 |
DaemonFC | I am against DRM when they DRM something and then try to "sell" it to you | Aug 08 16:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I am against DRM, period | Aug 08 16:57 |
DaemonFC | saying there's DRM in something you're buying is a contradiction | Aug 08 16:57 |
DaemonFC | Blockbuster sells DRM'd WMV files at DVD prices | Aug 08 16:57 |
DaemonFC | and says you "own" the movie | Aug 08 16:57 |
DaemonFC | no you don't | Aug 08 16:57 |
DaemonFC | Blockbuster won't be around forever | Aug 08 16:58 |
DaemonFC | that licensing server won't be there in a few years | Aug 08 16:58 |
DaemonFC | then what do you have? nothing | Aug 08 16:58 |
DaemonFC | I'll go set that $20 on fire instead | Aug 08 16:58 |
DaemonFC | I still end up with the same outcome eventually | Aug 08 16:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | But still, having an end run around Silverlight on Android, might be a way for Linux as well. The only lock out at that point is regristraing it to the phone. Which can probably be done inside of Android running in Virtualbox | Aug 08 16:59 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Interestingly, the binary codecs from Fluendo support WMV HD | Aug 08 16:59 |
DaemonFC | which I used, once | Aug 08 16:59 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/opinion/08cringeley.html?_r=1 | Aug 08 16:59 | |
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DaemonFC | to pipe the Terminator 2 Extreme Edition WMV-HD disc through Gstreamer | Aug 08 17:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS has licenced its wmv codec to many | Aug 08 17:00 |
DaemonFC | yeah, regular WMV has a gstreamer codec | Aug 08 17:01 |
DaemonFC | and it's in FFMPEG | Aug 08 17:01 |
DaemonFC | and it's in VLC | Aug 08 17:01 |
DaemonFC | it's not licensed (who cares?) | Aug 08 17:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and, it can always be ported to a repo, in a country without software patents | Aug 08 17:01 |
DaemonFC | but it can't play WMV-HD | Aug 08 17:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | it will soon | Aug 08 17:01 |
DaemonFC | when I download a Windows Media codec, it's never so I can play a stack of Windows Media files I created | Aug 08 17:01 |
DaemonFC | it's so I can view other people's files and transcode a copy if I want one | Aug 08 17:02 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft doomed their decent quality Windows Media codecs to failure | Aug 08 17:03 |
schestowitz | decent? | Aug 08 17:03 |
schestowitz | To whom? | Aug 08 17:03 |
DaemonFC | WMA 10 Pro isn't terrible | Aug 08 17:03 |
DaemonFC | it just doesn't play back on anything | Aug 08 17:03 |
DaemonFC | unless you have a Zune' | Aug 08 17:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | one of the links I should have quoted, an Netflix employee (we think employee) said basically that Netflix has watched the rise of Android and would be crazy not to port movies to the Android. | Aug 08 17:04 |
DaemonFC | it'll be Flash | Aug 08 17:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | As Android is taking over so much share | Aug 08 17:04 |
DaemonFC | does Mono even run on Android? | Aug 08 17:04 |
DaemonFC | I mean REALLY? | Aug 08 17:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Flash, you probably right, makes sense | Aug 08 17:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | who cares if mono runs on anything? | Aug 08 17:05 |
DaemonFC | Miguel is still insisting that Nono-Touch for the hypephone is going to happen | Aug 08 17:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | maybe Mark Shuttlesworth | Aug 08 17:05 |
DaemonFC | and still wasting his time on it | Aug 08 17:05 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer thanks. Very handy for a post I have as draft now. | Aug 08 17:05 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, You should register go-nono.com | Aug 08 17:06 |
DaemonFC | it's only one letter off | Aug 08 17:06 |
DaemonFC | it would be a great typosquat | Aug 08 17:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Its not a waste of time for Miguel, if Novell pays his paycheck from MS funding. For him its a livelyhood. Its just that simple. | Aug 08 17:06 |
DaemonFC | I mean, yeah, you're right | Aug 08 17:07 |
DaemonFC | he probably knows he's wasting the work towards a dead end | Aug 08 17:07 |
DaemonFC | but wouldn't you do pointless work if you were being well paid? | Aug 08 17:07 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 17:07 |
DaemonFC | there's no sense in arguing that something that keeps you gainfully employed for the next few years is a waste of time | Aug 08 17:08 |
DaemonFC | let them figure that out after they already paid you | Aug 08 17:08 |
DaemonFC | :D | Aug 08 17:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Moonlight is the killer app, except it isn't, because the only thing Linux users want it for are to play Netflix streaming movies, and maybe blockbuster. Which Moonlight will not do. Mono only reason to exsist is to provide the base for Moonlight, so both are really failures as far as the average user. | Aug 08 17:09 |
DaemonFC | well, the practical problem with Mono is that the Mono Project doesn't steer where .NET goes | Aug 08 17:09 |
DaemonFC | only Microsoft can do that because .NET is not a standard | Aug 08 17:10 |
DaemonFC | they have to take what Microsoft defines as .NET first and foremose | Aug 08 17:10 |
DaemonFC | *foremost | Aug 08 17:10 |
DaemonFC | and then tack on anything they want after the fact | Aug 08 17:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS only wants Moonlight so that Linux users will play advertisements that MS will be paid for. | Aug 08 17:10 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Its the same with adobe and the whack a mole flash advertisements. Except Adobe Flash on Linux has premo content, Moonlight is a desert for Linux, with few if any premo content, only anoing advertisements | Aug 08 17:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Mono/Moonlight is a lost cause. Only Cannonical has not seen that yet. | Aug 08 17:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Novell is a whore to MS money | Aug 08 17:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | That is their motovation. | Aug 08 17:16 |
DaemonFC | between NoScript, Adblock Plus, LSO object deletion on Firefox open and close (BetterPrivacy) and setting all cookies to be session cookies... | Aug 08 17:16 |
DaemonFC | I don't have to put up with many annoyances | Aug 08 17:16 |
schestowitz | [17:06] <Chips_B_Malroy> Its not a waste of time for Miguel, if Novell pays his paycheck from MS funding. For him its a livelyhood. Its just that simple. | Aug 08 17:16 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wealthy overpaid man with secure job tells people they're to blame for all their problems and to do as they're told. http://is.gd/e8P0U | Aug 08 17:16 | |
TechrightsBot | Title: Top GP condemns Britons for recklessly neglecting their health | Society | The Observer .::. Size~: 196.89 KB | Aug 08 17:17 |
DaemonFC | I also globally banned the most annoying javascript options | Aug 08 17:17 |
schestowitz | When Novell is sold Microsoft will hire the monkeys | Aug 08 17:17 |
DaemonFC | even in sites that I allow scripts on | Aug 08 17:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <schestowitz> When Novell is sold Microsoft will hire the monkeys" Or Canonical, or Access | Aug 08 17:17 |
DaemonFC | scripting is not only annoying, and a privacy violation, but badly written scripts can cause the browser to stall out and crash | Aug 08 17:18 |
DaemonFC | it's better to use NoScript | Aug 08 17:18 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: monkey=mono | Aug 08 17:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 08 17:18 |
DaemonFC | pop unders are making it past Firefox and Adblock Plus now | Aug 08 17:18 |
DaemonFC | which was my main motivation for using NoScript | Aug 08 17:18 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I don't know what you want from Canonical | Aug 08 17:18 |
schestowitz | Canonical has some bright people from Debian, Mono is sometimes pushed into it _from outside_ | Aug 08 17:19 |
DaemonFC | Canonical is the next Novell | Aug 08 17:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I want them to give up Mono, remove it. | Aug 08 17:19 |
schestowitz | Use Fedora | Aug 08 17:19 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is already grooming them | Aug 08 17:19 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: they have no swpats | Aug 08 17:19 |
schestowitz | So they can't be Novell | Aug 08 17:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, I don;t really use Ubuntu anyway | Aug 08 17:19 |
schestowitz | Nor Lispire (no patents, no users) | Aug 08 17:19 |
schestowitz | *Lins | Aug 08 17:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | But I do think it hurts the community | Aug 08 17:19 |
schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, Ubuntu uses YOU | Aug 08 17:20 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft will set something up where Ubuntu gets a lot of Microsoft money for publicly embarrassing Linux | Aug 08 17:20 |
DaemonFC | and admitting that Microsoft's patents are valid | Aug 08 17:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Mono is like the sickness it was named after | Aug 08 17:20 |
DaemonFC | and on the surface, it will look like Canonical has bought a patent license | Aug 08 17:20 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Aug 08 17:20 |
schestowitz | Shuttleworth is not McBride | Aug 08 17:20 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I bribe you for $100 million, then you pay me $10 million for a patent license | Aug 08 17:20 |
DaemonFC | that's how they'll do that | Aug 08 17:20 |
schestowitz | Microsoft would never break the law :-S | Aug 08 17:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | hehe | Aug 08 17:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/08/microsoft_salesforce_settle_suit.html | Aug 08 17:21 |
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schestowitz | "Seattle" | Aug 08 17:21 |
schestowitz | Gittallove sneaky language | Aug 08 17:21 |
schestowitz | Extorted | Aug 08 17:21 |
schestowitz | Settling in seattle | Aug 08 17:22 |
schestowitz | With a baseball bat | Aug 08 17:22 |
schestowitz | De Vito: "oh, let's settle this" *grabs bat | Aug 08 17:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3897286/MicrosoftSalesforce+Deal+Who+Won.htm | Aug 08 17:22 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft-Salesforce Deal: Who Won? - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 136.16 KB | Aug 08 17:22 |
schestowitz | At least the Microsoft apologists run out of material | Aug 08 17:22 |
schestowitz | Pretending that Microsoft patents for 'defensive' purposes | Aug 08 17:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | " | Aug 08 17:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Found an Intel port of Android all setup as live cd and installer. For myself, just running the live cd iso in Virtualbox on my laptop an Acer 1640 is enough. Have not tried the install to hd, or post installation of software. | Aug 08 17:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.android-x86.org/download | Aug 08 17:23 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | android 1.6 r2 | Aug 08 17:24 |
schestowitz | Looking at the past week's headline matching "Zune", there is not a single one. With "KIN" over (code overlap), Zune is on its death throes and Microsoft can only plan/time the announcement of its death | Aug 08 17:24 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC | Windows Live Messenger lets you tick a box to disable file transfers for executable file types | Aug 08 17:25 |
schestowitz | Famous last words | Aug 08 17:25 |
schestowitz | "You smell gas?" | Aug 08 17:25 |
FurnaceBoy | ^^ DaemonFC you see how stupid that is? | Aug 08 17:25 |
schestowitz | "watch out!" | Aug 08 17:25 |
schestowitz | "ZUNE!" | Aug 08 17:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Zune is a Zombie, its dead but keeps crawling | Aug 08 17:25 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's a perfect example of MS carelessness with anything to do with the user | Aug 08 17:25 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they really don't give a sh1t | Aug 08 17:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy | taking up self life is what Zune does | Aug 08 17:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/05/microsoft-still-updating-kin-phones-on-the-downlow-with-twitter-features/ | Aug 08 17:26 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft quietly updates Verizon KIN phones' Twitter app .::. Size~: 57.91 KB | Aug 08 17:26 |
schestowitz | LOL | Aug 08 17:26 |
schestowitz | All users are happy | Aug 08 17:26 |
schestowitz | Both of them | Aug 08 17:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/04/microsoft-windows-mobile-drops-to-single-digit-market-share/ | Aug 08 17:27 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Windows Mobile hits 9% - wait for Windows Phone 7 .::. Size~: 61.69 KB | Aug 08 17:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Wonder what MS will do with all those returned Kin phone that would not sell? Use them to plug up landfills in Africa? Or reflash them with WP7 and give them to employees. | Aug 08 17:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer should be the first employee to dog food his own WP7 | Aug 08 17:31 |
ThistleWeb | gifts to foreign govt officials to turn a blind eye to calls for change away from MS products | Aug 08 17:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | maybe if he had used Kin, it would have never been released | Aug 08 17:31 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/202623/touch_mouse_microsofts_mystery_product.html | Aug 08 17:31 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Touch Mouse, Microsoft's Mystery Product? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 75.27 KB | Aug 08 17:31 |
schestowitz | owwwwwwwwwwww... | Aug 08 17:31 |
schestowitz | mystery!! | Aug 08 17:32 |
ThistleWeb | or to "graciously extend" the free phones to the MVPs not just MS employees to say thanks | Aug 08 17:32 |
schestowitz | [17:28] <Chips_B_Malroy> Wonder what MS will do with all those returned Kin phone that would not sell? Use them to plug up landfills in Africa? Or reflash them with WP7 and give them to employees. | Aug 08 17:32 |
schestowitz | They all fit in one happy amnesty bin | Aug 08 17:32 |
schestowitz | All of them | Aug 08 17:32 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 08 17:32 |
schestowitz | And the hypepod's one is empty anywya | Aug 08 17:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | that bin, would it be the compactor bin? | Aug 08 17:33 |
schestowitz | Burn it up... inhale the poison at Redmond | Aug 08 17:33 |
schestowitz | One last high | Aug 08 17:33 |
schestowitz | "Hey, Charlie, what sh** are you on"? | Aug 08 17:33 |
schestowitz | Charlie: "KIN!" | Aug 08 17:33 |
schestowitz | KIN is small | Aug 08 17:33 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: haah, i was thinking the same. | Aug 08 17:34 |
schestowitz | One amnesty bin would have capacity for thousands | Aug 08 17:34 |
schestowitz | It's good that Microsoft designed them so small | Aug 08 17:34 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I have to wonder, if Ballmer has actually ever used any MS products at all? With products like Vista and the Kin being released. | Aug 08 17:34 |
schestowitz | It's easy to get rid of them | Aug 08 17:34 |
schestowitz | Shame about the Chinese kids that had to build them | Aug 08 17:34 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: you can be pretty sure he runs Windows. | Aug 08 17:34 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: but you have to think about him differently | Aug 08 17:34 |
schestowitz | Whipped for making kins too slowly... assemblage | Aug 08 17:34 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: he doesn't care about excellence | Aug 08 17:34 |
schestowitz | Never mind the kid | Aug 08 17:34 |
schestowitz | Sorry | Aug 08 17:34 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: he has no taste | Aug 08 17:34 |
schestowitz | I should not bring this up | Aug 08 17:35 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: he';s a common thug | Aug 08 17:35 |
schestowitz | At least I don't put up photos of faces | Aug 08 17:35 |
schestowitz | KIN-made by kid | Aug 08 17:35 |
schestowitz | Supposedly for kids, says Microsoft | Aug 08 17:35 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: don't forget, in the Ballmer household, his kids were prohibited from touching Apple products | Aug 08 17:35 |
schestowitz | Microsoft could find kids to build them, not to buy these | Aug 08 17:35 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: which really encapsulates why Microsoft deserve, and will fail | Aug 08 17:35 |
schestowitz | new: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=2881 | Aug 08 17:36 |
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schestowitz | "Poll: Should Microsoft fire Steve Ballmer?" | Aug 08 17:36 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: we should think of Ballmer a bit like Tony Hayward | Aug 08 17:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <FurnaceBoy> Chips_B_Malroy: don't forget, in the Ballmer household, his kids were prohibited from touching Apple products" Well thats Ballmer's other problem, he most likely never uses MS products before they are released, and never tries the competitions products either, to see how far behind MS is and where they need to catch up. | Aug 08 17:37 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: damage control.. dirty deals.. death squads.. | Aug 08 17:37 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: right, but he doesn't even care. | Aug 08 17:37 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: it illustrates the fundamental precept that MS isn't about technology and never has been | Aug 08 17:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Which is why he is such a great CEO at MS, for Linux that is. | Aug 08 17:38 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, Microsoft tends to alienate that group who care about quality and getting stuff done, and done well. | Aug 08 17:38 |
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schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20012322-94.html | Aug 08 17:39 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Android smartphone shipments surge 886 percent | Wireless - CNET News .::. Size~: 149.99 KB | Aug 08 17:39 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: that Dilbert was great -- the only thing worth looking at on Humphrey's stupid, sophomoric article. | Aug 08 17:39 |
FurnaceBoy | "Microsoft: it's crap, and you can't fix it. Linux: no limits." | Aug 08 17:39 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: why insult Tony? | Aug 08 17:39 |
schestowitz | "Phat Tony" | Aug 08 17:39 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: LOL | Aug 08 17:39 |
schestowitz | Don't compare him to monsters | Aug 08 17:39 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I want to have a beer with you some time. | Aug 08 17:39 |
schestowitz | Sure... | Aug 08 17:40 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS has probably lost more than 5% of its Desktop Market share during Ballmer's watch, a fact that few bloggers will write about | Aug 08 17:40 |
schestowitz | When you're in the UK | Aug 08 17:40 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you're never on the continent? | Aug 08 17:40 |
schestowitz | I was in Canada 7 years ago | Aug 08 17:40 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nah, i mean europe | Aug 08 17:40 |
schestowitz | Met this girl... | Aug 08 17:40 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hahaha | Aug 08 17:40 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: sometimes | Aug 08 17:40 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: any time soon? | Aug 08 17:40 |
schestowitz | Don't know yet | Aug 08 17:40 |
schestowitz | I'm very computer-bound | Aug 08 17:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Look me up if you get here Roy | Aug 08 17:41 |
FurnaceBoy | makes you sound like Hawking | Aug 08 17:41 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: OK, ythanks | Aug 08 17:41 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: you in .ca ? | Aug 08 17:41 |
schestowitz | I'm meeting _Goblin next week | Aug 08 17:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Vegas | Aug 08 17:41 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: ok | Aug 08 17:41 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: speaking of Hawking. he made a thought provoking statement last week, did you see it? | Aug 08 17:42 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: to my mind, it's very germane to discussions of Ballmer, Hayward type. | Aug 08 17:42 |
schestowitz | He's literally computer-bound | Aug 08 17:42 |
FurnaceBoy | yes. | Aug 08 17:42 |
FurnaceBoy | but, you know, savants have charm | Aug 08 17:42 |
FurnaceBoy | even Wolfram | Aug 08 17:42 |
schestowitz | I didn't see his remark | Aug 08 17:42 |
schestowitz | But the whole Big Boys Club is in the news now | Aug 08 17:42 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: lemme find it. it resonated with my own thinking over a long time | Aug 08 17:43 |
schestowitz | Those who rob the world want to also be heroes | Aug 08 17:43 |
schestowitz | Like Nader said | Aug 08 17:43 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: well, Hawking's statement was transhumanist. | Aug 08 17:43 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and I am suspicious of these guys | Aug 08 17:43 |
schestowitz | I have posts about them coming | Aug 08 17:43 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the transhumanist agenda often seems like a copout | Aug 08 17:43 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and it's related to Mr Gates' deep psychoses | Aug 08 17:43 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: deepest plans | Aug 08 17:44 |
FurnaceBoy | hehe | Aug 08 17:44 |
schestowitz | Bill Napoleon Gates of HEaven | Aug 08 17:44 |
FurnaceBoy | the Captain shall be first to desert the sinking ship | Aug 08 17:44 |
schestowitz | He's attacking Vietnam now | Aug 08 17:44 |
FurnaceBoy | Lord of the Flies | Aug 08 17:44 |
schestowitz | With Microsoft | Aug 08 17:44 |
schestowitz | Using his foundation | Aug 08 17:44 |
schestowitz | I put a link earlier | Aug 08 17:44 |
schestowitz | He attacks Linux | Aug 08 17:44 |
schestowitz | ANd then makes a cocky face to the cameras | Aug 08 17:45 |
FurnaceBoy | yeah Nader was simply ahead of his time, like RMS | Aug 08 17:45 |
schestowitz | http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/08/report-android-coming-on-strong-in-race-against-iphone-and-blackberry/1 | Aug 08 17:45 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Report: Android coming on strong in race against iPhone and Blackberry - USATODAY.com .::. Size~: 26.14 KB | Aug 08 17:45 |
FurnaceBoy | yet still acted. bet their lives on principle. | Aug 08 17:46 |
FurnaceBoy | MLK. | Aug 08 17:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Windows 8 will be more of the same Vista krap. It will basically be 95% of the same code. Vista/3 | Aug 08 17:46 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: of course. | Aug 08 17:46 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: the tech doesn't matter. | Aug 08 17:46 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: only the cash river matters | Aug 08 17:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | And somewhere I read the same for Windows 9 | Aug 08 17:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | No new OS | Aug 08 17:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | which is good for Linux | Aug 08 17:46 |
FurnaceBoy | why would they do any costly work? they got away with all the previous shit sandwiches | Aug 08 17:47 |
FurnaceBoy | nobody noticed | Aug 08 17:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/08/windows_phone_7s_first_fart_app_and_other_important_news.html | Aug 08 17:47 |
FurnaceBoy | they wouldn't even know HOW, any more | Aug 08 17:47 |
schestowitz | I'm sold | Aug 08 17:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS is just milking the dieing Cow dry zuner | Aug 08 17:47 |
TechrightsBot | Title: First Windows Phone fart app, and other very important news .::. Size~: 63.12 KB | Aug 08 17:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | So MS is now promoting WP7 because of speech regoniztion | Aug 08 17:48 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: hehe | Aug 08 17:48 |
schestowitz | Like Nexus? | Aug 08 17:48 |
schestowitz | Which failed BTW | Aug 08 17:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | which has always been a faulty type of app anyway | Aug 08 17:48 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they also promoted it for Vista | Aug 08 17:48 |
schestowitz | Nobody mentions it since 2007 | Aug 08 17:48 |
schestowitz | Voice... *LOL* | Aug 08 17:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | it willl be worse in wp7 | Aug 08 17:48 |
schestowitz | Better off typing | Aug 08 17:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | than desktop windows | Aug 08 17:48 |
schestowitz | Lag | Aug 08 17:48 |
FurnaceBoy | it's just a shiny thing | Aug 08 17:49 |
schestowitz | Not that shiny | Aug 08 17:49 |
schestowitz | They need to kill in Congo for "shinny" | Aug 08 17:49 |
FurnaceBoy | to a magpie it's shiny! | Aug 08 17:49 |
schestowitz | Shiiiny need some special rare elements | Aug 08 17:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but now its the big thing for wp7, only selling point they came come up with? | Aug 08 17:49 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: so did you see the TIME cover yet? | Aug 08 17:49 |
schestowitz | The death element or "conflict element" | Aug 08 17:49 |
FurnaceBoy | CONFLICT. | Aug 08 17:49 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes, it's dead | Aug 08 17:49 |
FurnaceBoy | haha | Aug 08 17:49 |
schestowitz | The TiME in the coffin | Aug 08 17:49 |
schestowitz | and it has a cover | Aug 08 17:50 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and Newsweek, of course. | Aug 08 17:50 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: organs of the party | Aug 08 17:50 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the party we're not invited to | Aug 08 17:50 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the private party | Aug 08 17:50 |
schestowitz | conflict/instability in the region/escalation of violace | Aug 08 17:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | IBM OS/2 Warp 4 had speech reconzition in it in 1998 or was it 1996 | Aug 08 17:50 |
schestowitz | *lencce | Aug 08 17:50 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: Apple did it earlier than that | Aug 08 17:50 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: on PPC | Aug 08 17:50 |
FurnaceBoy | it's still in OS X | Aug 08 17:51 |
schestowitz | To hell with OS X | Aug 08 17:51 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 08 17:51 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy will be offended | Aug 08 17:51 |
FurnaceBoy | nah | Aug 08 17:51 |
schestowitz | Smoker's remorse | Aug 08 17:51 |
FurnaceBoy | hhhaahhaah | Aug 08 17:51 |
schestowitz | "I know it's bad for me, but..." | Aug 08 17:51 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you may be on to something | Aug 08 17:51 |
schestowitz | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/08/microsoft_windows_phone_7_touts_killer_speech-recognition_software.html | Aug 08 17:52 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Windows Phone 7 - Microsoft Windows Phone 7 touts killer speech-recognition software .::. Size~: 29.95 KB | Aug 08 17:52 |
schestowitz | Killer | Aug 08 17:52 |
schestowitz | Well... | Aug 08 17:52 |
schestowitz | I can't see this 'killer' yet | Aug 08 17:52 |
schestowitz | Does. Not. Exist. | Aug 08 17:52 |
schestowitz | Nor. Compute. | Aug 08 17:52 |
FurnaceBoy | yeah but you ahve to love the word TOUTS | Aug 08 17:52 |
FurnaceBoy | shades of Barnum | Aug 08 17:52 |
schestowitz | TUTO!! | Aug 08 17:53 |
FurnaceBoy | "Roll up! Roll up! Come and see the show.." | Aug 08 17:53 |
schestowitz | Microsoft touts voice rec. out of its anus | Aug 08 17:53 |
FurnaceBoy | "Doctor Ballmer's magical Cobra Elixir..." | Aug 08 17:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @pietercolpaert Introducing the complex boolean: enum ComplexBoolean = {false, untrue, unfalse,true}; | Aug 08 17:54 | |
schestowitz | Choochooo! Come aboard Ballmer's ride | Aug 08 17:54 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Heart of darkness | Aug 08 17:54 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Up the river | Aug 08 17:54 |
schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/steve-wozniak-on-iphone-i_n_670333.html | Aug 08 17:54 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Steve Wozniak On His Relationship With Steve Jobs, Google's Future (VIDEO) .::. Size~: 297.42 KB | Aug 08 17:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | speech-recognition software---it didn't sell IBM Warp 4 either, a good product compared to windows, and it won't sell a poor product like WP7 either. | Aug 08 17:55 |
FurnaceBoy | "Basically I'd spit on him if I passed him in the street. Any questions?" | Aug 08 17:55 |
schestowitz | ""I have not really had a problem with the antenna...I think it's a very tiny, tiny problem that has blown out of proportion because there are a lot of people that want to accuse Apple of a mistake only because Apple has been so good with its products, creating..." | Aug 08 17:55 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: WHY DO YOU HATE SUCCESS | Aug 08 17:55 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: oh yeah... I remember IBM's thing | Aug 08 17:55 |
schestowitz | I heard from it from a schoolmate | Aug 08 17:55 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: WHY WHY WHY | Aug 08 17:56 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you're just jealous, you!! | Aug 08 17:56 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: successful people have a lot of money | Aug 08 17:56 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: and it means they are very, very good people | Aug 08 17:56 |
*FurnaceBoy hums, "If I were a rich man, deedle deedle dum deedle deedle dum.." | Aug 08 17:56 | |
schestowitz | Fiddler on the roof has a sco rendition | Aug 08 17:57 |
schestowitz | Search for it in YouTUbe | Aug 08 17:57 |
schestowitz | SCO did a play along those lines | Aug 08 17:57 |
schestowitz | There's a new trend among rich men though... buying other people's bodyparts to also make the grave go away for longer :-) | Aug 08 17:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs | Aug 08 17:58 |
schestowitz | They also get the better trained surgeons when they have tumours | Aug 08 17:58 |
FurnaceBoy | you bet | Aug 08 17:58 |
schestowitz | http://erictric.com/2010/08/05/windows-phone-7-might-not-support-html5/ | Aug 08 17:59 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft: it's a feeeechure | Aug 08 17:59 |
FurnaceBoy | it's a threat | Aug 08 17:59 |
FurnaceBoy | they never followed a standard before, why start now? | Aug 08 18:00 |
schestowitz | EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!1 | Aug 08 18:00 |
schestowitz | http://gadgetcrave.com/asus-windows-phone-7-leaks/8228/ | Aug 08 18:00 |
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schestowitz | KIN2 | Aug 08 18:00 |
schestowitz | :-D | Aug 08 18:00 |
schestowitz | "slickness" HA! | Aug 08 18:01 |
schestowitz | http://www.infoworld.com/t/smartphones/windows-phone-7-ui-drags-down-asus-prototypes-slickness-192 | Aug 08 18:01 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Windows Phone 7 UI drags down Asus prototype's slickness | Smartphones - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 94.86 KB | Aug 08 18:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | WP7=Kin/2 you are on to something here Roy | Aug 08 18:02 |
schestowitz | Microsoft will need to ask for more loans soon, I think | Aug 08 18:02 |
schestowitz | After KIN esp. | Aug 08 18:02 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: both are phones | Aug 08 18:02 |
schestowitz | Similar platforms too, I think | Aug 08 18:02 |
schestowitz | WinMob was a mess | Aug 08 18:02 |
schestowitz | But don't diss products with "7" in them | Aug 08 18:03 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/05/11/greenwashing-and-sevenwashing/ | Aug 08 18:03 |
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FurnaceBoy | oh, yes. | Aug 08 18:03 |
FurnaceBoy | very good | Aug 08 18:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | WP7 will likely be the last straw for stockholders, or the rope that ballmer hangs himself with as far as his job. | Aug 08 18:03 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: they said that about Vista. | Aug 08 18:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer will be gone this Spring/Winter | Aug 08 18:04 |
FurnaceBoy | heads come and go. | Aug 08 18:04 |
FurnaceBoy | it's the organism that needs to be buried | Aug 08 18:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | There are more failures in the works for MS | Aug 08 18:04 |
FurnaceBoy | it's what they do | Aug 08 18:04 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @elmdentica #elmdentica now supports proper retweet/redent api call. | Aug 08 18:05 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | Buts its the board and the CEO that decide which failures for MS to presue | Aug 08 18:05 |
schestowitz | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258080 | Aug 08 18:06 |
TechrightsBot | Title: News: Xbox's lack of Blu-ray a 'problem' for developers - ComputerAndVideoGames.com .::. Size~: 316.36 KB | Aug 08 18:06 |
FurnaceBoy | I thought XBox was next to death? | Aug 08 18:07 |
DaemonFC | the fact that they aren't planning a new one is troubling | Aug 08 18:08 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] One problem I find with supporting standard api call is that the used account is that from which you received the message. Bad for crossing. | Aug 08 18:09 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah | Aug 08 18:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its in decline, in 3rd place in sales last I knew. Its not dead yet, as the major expenses except for returning failed xbox360's (RROD,E74). So some quarters there could be small profits, but unlikely to ever pay back all the R&D and overheating problem money they lost. | Aug 08 18:10 |
schestowitz | Cost them too much | Aug 08 18:10 |
schestowitz | They need to find lenders | Aug 08 18:10 |
schestowitz | Microsoft hasn't paid back its loans for years | Aug 08 18:11 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, the hardware revision doesn't cost that much | Aug 08 18:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | kinect, will likely lose money, it already seems to be a flop | Aug 08 18:11 |
schestowitz | ANd GAtes is busy using his own for world domination | Aug 08 18:11 |
DaemonFC | they get to throw a new coat of paint on it | Aug 08 18:11 |
DaemonFC | and call it new | Aug 08 18:11 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: Slim? | Aug 08 18:11 |
schestowitz | That's s***te | Aug 08 18:11 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 08 18:11 |
schestowitz | Thinner pig | Aug 08 18:11 |
schestowitz | Where's the p0rk? | Aug 08 18:11 |
schestowitz | Specs | Aug 08 18:11 |
schestowitz | [18:11] <DaemonFC> they get to throw a new coat of paint on it | Aug 08 18:12 |
schestowitz | Elite | Aug 08 18:12 |
schestowitz | Or the other new "plates" | Aug 08 18:12 |
schestowitz | Like the ones my Palm had | Aug 08 18:12 |
schestowitz | Someone in CNET had over 20 | Aug 08 18:12 |
Chips_B_Malroy | When Ballmer leaves, the stock points could bounce up by ten points for a short period of time | Aug 08 18:12 |
schestowitz | And Slim made them obsolete so he complained | Aug 08 18:12 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, that's Steve bouncing | Aug 08 18:13 |
schestowitz | The bouncing baboon 12.12 | Aug 08 18:13 |
schestowitz | LTS | Aug 08 18:13 |
DaemonFC | well, the PS3 Slim won't run Linux | Aug 08 18:13 |
DaemonFC | has anyone hacked it yet? | Aug 08 18:13 |
schestowitz | one of its devs used to be her in this channel | Aug 08 18:17 |
schestowitz | He went away when I exposed him: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258224 | Aug 08 18:18 |
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schestowitz | Lionhead | Aug 08 18:18 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "If it weren't for #WAR, you'd be speaking German right now." -- Of course! Because since WWII Germany, Japan and Italy speak only English. | Aug 08 18:19 | |
schestowitz | http://www.geek.com/articles/games/kinect-played-by-half-naked-asian-babes-still-looks-rubbish-2010081/ | Aug 08 18:20 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Kinect played by half-naked Asian babes still looks rubbish – Video Games Reviews, Cheats | Geek.com .::. Size~: 57.01 KB | Aug 08 18:20 |
DaemonFC | http://www.osnews.com/story/23652/Apple_Loved_You_Pro_Users_Loves_Your_Money_More_Now | Aug 08 18:20 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Apple Loved You Pro Users; Loves Your Money More, Now .::. Size~: 33.47 KB | Aug 08 18:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> I have to ask you this question, as I think you might know. Will running XP in virtualbox let you run Silverlight and play Netflix streaming movies? Or does DirectX stuff get in the way? The Android VM might not need all the video support to work. | Aug 08 18:20 |
schestowitz | Is Kinect a disaster waiting to happen? All the evidence points to this being a complete dodo for Microsoft. | Aug 08 18:20 |
schestowitz | QUOTE^^ | Aug 08 18:20 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Yes, that configuration would work | Aug 08 18:21 |
DaemonFC | DirectX 9 passthrough is fairly good unless you need to allocate more than 128 MB of video RAM for something | Aug 08 18:21 |
DaemonFC | emulating an x86 processor and Windows XP on Android? | Aug 08 18:22 |
DaemonFC | that wouldn't happen | Aug 08 18:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | thanks. myself I am not interested in Netflix. Can borrow disks, many other options | Aug 08 18:22 |
DaemonFC | pretty much any video game or application that needs less than 128 MB of vram will work on XP in VirtualBox | Aug 08 18:23 |
FurnaceBoy | Netflix is windows only? | Aug 08 18:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Remember, Android has an Intel port | Aug 08 18:23 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Silverlight | Aug 08 18:23 |
DaemonFC | Windows/Mac | Aug 08 18:23 |
FurnaceBoy | jeez | Aug 08 18:23 |
FurnaceBoy | what a POS | Aug 08 18:23 |
FurnaceBoy | well, there's your answer about why MS is intransigent wrt HTML5 | Aug 08 18:24 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Dosbox will run windows 95 on Android, I seen the link. But I would bet its an Intel port of Android. | Aug 08 18:24 |
FurnaceBoy | supporting HTML5 would be conceding important lock-in territory | Aug 08 18:24 |
FurnaceBoy | All standards do. | Aug 08 18:24 |
DaemonFC | nah | Aug 08 18:24 |
DaemonFC | they market Silverlight as easy to develop for and supporting DRM | Aug 08 18:25 |
DaemonFC | but they support HTML 5 at the same time | Aug 08 18:25 |
DaemonFC | while FUDding it | Aug 08 18:25 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: it need not be, | Aug 08 18:25 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: it's an emulator (non-native) | Aug 08 18:25 |
DaemonFC | the HTML 5 support is not optional | Aug 08 18:25 |
DaemonFC | they'll support it while trying to assassinate it | Aug 08 18:25 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: which is why dosbox and not qemu, freedos, etc | Aug 08 18:25 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right, drag feet for as long as possible, then make a half-assed attempt to make the standard apppear broken. Standard Operating Procedure. | Aug 08 18:26 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: we've all seen this movie before | Aug 08 18:26 |
DaemonFC | right HTML 5 is to IE 9 as ODF is to Office 2010 | Aug 08 18:27 |
DaemonFC | a ruse, one that works only well enough for them to claim support | Aug 08 18:27 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: IE is a weapon against standarsd | Aug 08 18:27 |
FurnaceBoy | ds* | Aug 08 18:28 |
DaemonFC | they'll break something | Aug 08 18:28 |
FurnaceBoy | a Trojan horse with foot and mouth disease | Aug 08 18:28 |
DaemonFC | or leave something out | Aug 08 18:28 |
DaemonFC | or make sure that Silverlight can perform better in IE | Aug 08 18:28 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: of course. it's the business strategy to do so. | Aug 08 18:28 |
DaemonFC | remember the CSS box model from IE 5? | Aug 08 18:28 |
FurnaceBoy | where I am using the word 'business' to include racketeering, but that's practically a given anyway | Aug 08 18:28 |
DaemonFC | We support CSS! | Aug 08 18:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they will lose enough market share soon, that they will have to start actually supporting cross platforms and standards in ernest | Aug 08 18:28 |
DaemonFC | as long as you use nonstandard CSS that breaks in Netscape! | Aug 08 18:28 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no version of IE supports open standards | Aug 08 18:29 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they only have incentives NOT to do so. | Aug 08 18:29 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, if it plummets sufficiently, they will start doing a better job. | Aug 08 18:29 |
DaemonFC | AOL handed Microsoft Netscape's balls | Aug 08 18:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | there are calls for MS to port Office to Android now, since Android is likely to become the leading phone OS soon | Aug 08 18:29 |
DaemonFC | with that idiotic decision to task some of their employees on Netscape 4.5 | Aug 08 18:29 |
DaemonFC | instead of to Mozilla | Aug 08 18:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I noticed a few more cheap $100 Android ARM smartbooks on Ebay these days, and tons of tablets. | Aug 08 18:30 |
DaemonFC | Netscape 4 had a great email client | Aug 08 18:31 |
DaemonFC | but that was about it | Aug 08 18:31 |
DaemonFC | the rest of the browser was slow and full of bugs | Aug 08 18:31 |
DaemonFC | http://www.supportcave.com/images/netscape4.bmp | Aug 08 18:32 |
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DaemonFC | Note the Shop button next to the Stop button | Aug 08 18:32 |
DaemonFC | :D | Aug 08 18:32 |
DaemonFC | AOL's doing | Aug 08 18:32 |
DaemonFC | there was a pref you could set that disabled the Shop button | Aug 08 18:32 |
schestowitz | Talking points from Microsoft | Aug 08 18:32 |
schestowitz | The "Netscape killed itself" lie | Aug 08 18:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | question, can Android be forked? | Aug 08 18:32 |
schestowitz | Enderle style | Aug 08 18:32 |
DaemonFC | I used Netscape 4 | Aug 08 18:32 |
DaemonFC | it sucked | Aug 08 18:32 |
DaemonFC | I hated it | Aug 08 18:32 |
schestowitz | MICROSOGT is winnninggggggggggg! http://360.kombo.com/article.php?artid=19489 http://www.t3.com/news/microsoft-kinect-demo-grinds-to-a-halt-in-hong-kong?=47721 | Aug 08 18:33 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Kinect demo grinds to a halt in Hong Kong | T3 magazine .::. Size~: 27.38 KB | Aug 08 18:33 |
DaemonFC | IE was worse though | Aug 08 18:33 |
DaemonFC | I used Opera on my PC at home | Aug 08 18:33 |
DaemonFC | but school PCs used Netscape 4 | Aug 08 18:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I liked netscape 4.07 | Aug 08 18:33 |
FurnaceBoy | oh, I used Netscape 4 a lot. it was actually pretty fast | Aug 08 18:33 |
DaemonFC | in between crashes, and hanging the entire system | Aug 08 18:33 |
FurnaceBoy | compared with Mozilla 1.0, anyway | Aug 08 18:33 |
FurnaceBoy | or NS 5 | Aug 08 18:33 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: DaemonFC was a fanboi of Microsoft at the time | Aug 08 18:33 |
FurnaceBoy | NS4 was the IE of the 90s | Aug 08 18:33 |
DaemonFC | I bought a license to Opera | Aug 08 18:33 |
schestowitz | They made him a Microsoft MVP | Aug 08 18:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | at least on Linux and Warp it was good | Aug 08 18:34 |
schestowitz | He was among the indocrinated who queues up all day for Vista95 | Aug 08 18:34 |
schestowitz | *ued | Aug 08 18:34 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: lol, i remember those days. | Aug 08 18:34 |
schestowitz | Too hyped | Aug 08 18:34 |
schestowitz | Some people didn't know it was an OS | Aug 08 18:34 |
DaemonFC | I got Windows 95 OSR 2.1 | Aug 08 18:34 |
schestowitz | Microsoft just washed the media with nonsense | Aug 08 18:34 |
DaemonFC | on a Packard Bell | Aug 08 18:34 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 18:34 |
DaemonFC | of course that's not the only system it ended up on | Aug 08 18:34 |
FurnaceBoy | spreading disease | Aug 08 18:35 |
DaemonFC | it was basically Windows 95 + USB and FAT32 | Aug 08 18:35 |
DaemonFC | no mandatory IE though | Aug 08 18:35 |
DaemonFC | which made it preferable to Windows 98 | Aug 08 18:35 |
DaemonFC | I've gotten free Windows Me, 2000, XP Pro, XP x64, Server 2003/R2, 2008/R2, and 7 Ultimate | Aug 08 18:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, there was actually 3 versions of 95, the last one that DaemonFC talks about was the better of the bunch | Aug 08 18:37 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: there was windows 95, you, and what's the USB? | Aug 08 18:37 |
schestowitz | WIn98... plug and play demo | Aug 08 18:37 |
DaemonFC | I could have downloaded Vista Ultimate but I didn't want it | Aug 08 18:37 |
schestowitz | Like in Deepwater Horizon | Aug 08 18:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why are you so preoccupied with windows? | Aug 08 18:37 |
schestowitz | Over a decade early | Aug 08 18:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: just dump it and get a life | Aug 08 18:37 |
schestowitz | He's a Linux n00b | Aug 08 18:37 |
schestowitz | So he runs back to Windows when he wants to have some authority | Aug 08 18:37 |
FurnaceBoy | to feel like he's still in the club | Aug 08 18:38 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, OSR 2.0 was FAT32, OSR 2.1 was USB support, and OSR 2.5 was mandatory IE 4 with webby IE shell | Aug 08 18:38 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 18:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Vista and Seven, are space hogs as well as memory hogs and full of additional DRM. For that reason why would anyone want to run those under a VM, except to look at them? | Aug 08 18:38 |
DaemonFC | OSR 2.5 was essentially identical to Windows 98 | Aug 08 18:38 |
DaemonFC | except that it shipped with an older copy of DirectX and Media Player | Aug 08 18:38 |
DaemonFC | but you could download the same versions that shipped with Windows 98 | Aug 08 18:39 |
DaemonFC | I installed Windows Me and got rid of it rather quickly, but I did notice that defrag.exe from Windows Me worked on Windows 98 and 95 as well | Aug 08 18:40 |
DaemonFC | it was much faster and didn't do that damned "disk contents changed....restarting" crap every 5 seconds | Aug 08 18:40 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 18:40 |
FurnaceBoy | anything concerning windows is just a waste of time. talking about it. running it. | Aug 08 18:41 |
FurnaceBoy | pure. waste. | Aug 08 18:41 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft started encouraging crapware pushers to depend on IE so they had some free distribution channels | Aug 08 18:41 |
DaemonFC | that foisted IE on the Windows 95 holdouts who didn't want it | Aug 08 18:41 |
DaemonFC | usually without asking | Aug 08 18:41 |
FurnaceBoy | hell, who would up his spring | Aug 08 18:41 |
*schestowitz baffled by the channel being all about Windows | Aug 08 18:41 | |
FurnaceBoy | wound* | Aug 08 18:41 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC's like a little mechanical soldier | Aug 08 18:42 |
FurnaceBoy | once he's on the topic, he has to match forward till he hits the architrave | Aug 08 18:42 |
FurnaceBoy | march* | Aug 08 18:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <FurnaceBoy> anything concerning windows is just a waste of time. talking about it. running it." Mostly I agree. But new Linux users still fall back to Dose sometimes, so need to know how to run it in a VM or duel boot. The other part is keeping track of what the Dark Side is doing, and that is very important, IMO | Aug 08 18:43 |
schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100805-712597.html | Aug 08 18:44 |
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DaemonFC | The funniest part about Netscape 4 is that it didn't natively understand any CSS at all | Aug 08 18:44 |
DaemonFC | Netscape tried to foist their own JSS nonstandard and then just before shipping Netscape 4 it became clear that CSS was what was taking over | Aug 08 18:45 |
schestowitz | wth? http://www.pcworld.com/article/202679/microsoft_windows_me.html | Aug 08 18:45 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Windows ME - PCWorld .::. Size~: 49.18 KB | Aug 08 18:45 |
DaemonFC | so they wrote a CSS to JSS converter | Aug 08 18:45 |
DaemonFC | and then processed the output as JSS | Aug 08 18:45 |
DaemonFC | which is why you lost CSS support if you had Javascript turned off | Aug 08 18:45 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: sort of. | Aug 08 18:46 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript_Style_Sheets | Aug 08 18:46 |
TechrightsBot | Title: JavaScript Style Sheets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 64.47 KB | Aug 08 18:46 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: we should minimise getting caught up in the tar pit | Aug 08 18:46 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #uspto wants your opinion http://is.gd/e8TVM #swpat but please be constructive. | Aug 08 18:47 | |
TechrightsBot | Title: Groklaw - USPTO Asks for Comments on New Interim Guidance on Bilski .::. Size~: 289 KB | Aug 08 18:47 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: time spent engaged with windows is fine if at the end of it we can show that we've tangibly taken scalps | Aug 08 18:47 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: i.e. what Roy does | Aug 08 18:48 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Those internet games wouldn't let you chat with the other player | Aug 08 18:48 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: simple navel gazing like DaemonFC enjoys is just hot air, he'd be better off cutting his toenails | Aug 08 18:48 |
DaemonFC | except certain predefined sentences | Aug 08 18:48 |
DaemonFC | like "Good game" or "Nice move" | Aug 08 18:48 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: like A/S/L | Aug 08 18:48 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm a 14 yo and I feel HORNY how about you | Aug 08 18:49 |
DaemonFC | heh | Aug 08 18:49 |
DaemonFC | Nice Move | Aug 08 18:49 |
DaemonFC | Great Game! | Aug 08 18:49 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Turn your webcam on | Aug 08 18:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC does contribute a lot of good stuff | Aug 08 18:49 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: taking scalps. capturing territory. | Aug 08 18:49 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: exposing drones | Aug 08 18:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, he does get off on a bit of a tangent at times, but we all guilty on that one too | Aug 08 18:50 |
DaemonFC | for the most part, Windows 98/Me were just Windows 95 OSR 2.1 + crap | Aug 08 18:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | no offence meant | Aug 08 18:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC | Aug 08 18:53 |
DaemonFC | any time a program refused to run, it was lying about needing Windows 98/Me | Aug 08 18:53 |
DaemonFC | they still use that trick quite a bit | Aug 08 18:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | as every version of windows is really just an update | Aug 08 18:54 |
DaemonFC | I've ran into games that claimed to need XP or Vista that I modded to run on Windows 2000 | Aug 08 18:54 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1726870/microsoft-plans-mega-patch-tuesday | Aug 08 18:54 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft plans a mega-patch tuesday - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 62.52 KB | Aug 08 18:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | mostly you are buying or rebuying 95% or more of the same code you already paid for in the last version | Aug 08 18:54 |
DaemonFC | true | Aug 08 18:55 |
DaemonFC | then they have apps that don't use that code but check for it | Aug 08 18:55 |
DaemonFC | and refuse to run if it's not found | Aug 08 18:55 |
schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Patch-Tuesday-Windows-7-XP-Vista,11023.html | Aug 08 18:55 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Setting Record With Next Patch Tuesday .::. Size~: 99.17 KB | Aug 08 18:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | does it appear to anyone else that the number of recent zero day exploits for windows has greatly increased? | Aug 08 18:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and if anyone agrees with that, that cannot be a good thing for Microsoft and its windows users | Aug 08 18:57 |
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schestowitz | http://www.examiner.com/x-37543-Columbus-Technology-Examiner~y2010m8d3-Wall-Street-Journal-reports-Microsoft-killed-security-and-privacy-features-in-IE8-for-advertising | Aug 08 18:59 |
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schestowitz | wth is the gates photo for? | Aug 08 18:59 |
schestowitz | Seattle press.. | Aug 08 18:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | A friend of mine, who cleans windows computer for money, claims that its not possible to remove CyberDefender from Windows Seven using the add/remove programs feature, or whatever its called in Seven. Cyberdefender is not classifed as malware, just badware. It acts more like ransomware. | Aug 08 18:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Cyberdefender can be removed in all other versions of windows. | Aug 08 19:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | But I do not have any experience with it personally | Aug 08 19:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | similar to fake antivirus programs | Aug 08 19:01 |
schestowitz | Like Windows? | Aug 08 19:01 |
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sebsebseb3 | Hi | Aug 08 19:02 |
sebsebseb3 | from the place we are staying at in Ireland | Aug 08 19:02 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb3: seen the troll in omgubuntu? | Aug 08 19:02 |
sebsebseb3 | nope | Aug 08 19:02 |
schestowitz | it caused a stir | Aug 08 19:02 |
schestowitz | I don't trust that site | Aug 08 19:02 |
schestowitz | It also promotes Mono toys | Aug 08 19:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I cannot verify his claim on cyberdefender. and would be careful Roy if you decide to write a post of them, its a real company | Aug 08 19:03 |
schestowitz | http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/microsoft-should-offer-office-for-android-and-apple-8217s-ios/4673 | Aug 08 19:03 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Should Offer Office for Android and Apples iOS | BNET .::. Size~: 81.41 KB | Aug 08 19:03 |
schestowitz | errr. no | Aug 08 19:03 |
sebsebseb3 | schestowitz: Which troll in omgubuntu, not up to date with that site at the moment | Aug 08 19:03 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no need | Aug 08 19:03 |
sebsebseb3 | or Linux Today for that matter | Aug 08 19:03 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb3: you'd see if you checked | Aug 08 19:03 |
schestowitz | Linux Today has nothing that Techrights Links hasn't | Aug 08 19:04 |
*sebsebseb3 is using a Ubuntu 9.10 Live CD at the moment | Aug 08 19:04 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, there is always tons of windows malware to write about anyway | Aug 08 19:04 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb3: you can track all Linux news from Techrights | Aug 08 19:04 |
sebsebseb3 | the one that came with that magazine I bought recently, since the others DVD | Aug 08 19:04 |
sebsebseb3 | from the other magazine | Aug 08 19:04 |
sebsebseb3 | didn't have a LIve session :( | Aug 08 19:04 |
schestowitz | Doesn't Microsoft have trademark for "live" or something? | Aug 08 19:04 |
sebsebseb3 | schestowitz: well yeah I guess, I mean you keep up with this stuff daily | Aug 08 19:04 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb3: you can too | Aug 08 19:05 |
schestowitz | I aggregate it all | Aug 08 19:05 |
sebsebseb3 | uh this keyboard is feeling odd at the moment,since I am on my Mum's lap top | Aug 08 19:05 |
schestowitz | It takes a long time, I cover all that's in LinuxToday too | Aug 08 19:05 |
sebsebseb3 | and I normally use a normal keyboard | Aug 08 19:05 |
schestowitz | http://www.thestreet.com/story/10826831/1/apple-stores-helping-to-maul-microsoft.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEFI | Aug 08 19:05 |
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schestowitz | We have some cultists shops here in Arndale Centre | Aug 08 19:06 |
schestowitz | Disturbing | Aug 08 19:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The cyberfender story, if true, that it cannot be easily removed in Seven does show that Seven is not so secure. | Aug 08 19:06 |
schestowitz | MinceR ought to get a sleeping bad and live in one ;-) :-0- | Aug 08 19:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | as even earlier windows | Aug 08 19:06 |
schestowitz | *beg | Aug 08 19:06 |
schestowitz | *bag even | Aug 08 19:06 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: lots of bad security news for the VOle | Aug 08 19:07 |
schestowitz | But I will popst tomorrow | Aug 08 19:07 |
schestowitz | *post | Aug 08 19:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/microsoft-adds-openstreetmap-layer-to-bing-maps/ | Aug 08 19:08 |
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schestowitz | Wow. Microsoft is open | Aug 08 19:08 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 08 19:08 |
schestowitz | Microsoft 'cons00mes' openness | Aug 08 19:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | cyberdefender has shills too | Aug 08 19:08 |
schestowitz | Lik Apple | Aug 08 19:08 |
schestowitz | cyberdefenders per se | Aug 08 19:08 |
schestowitz | cyberattack dogs | Aug 08 19:08 |
schestowitz | MediaDefender | Aug 08 19:08 |
schestowitz | http://antitrust.slated.org/media-defender/index.html | Aug 08 19:09 |
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sebsebseb3 | Yay I don't have to use XP on here :) | Aug 08 19:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | if somebody wanted to check out the cyberdefender problem on Seven, it might make a good story | Aug 08 19:10 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb3: +1 | Aug 08 19:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they would have to actually have a sacroficial install of Seven to try it out on, and be knownledgable on cleaning up malware. | Aug 08 19:11 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb3: leave your CD with your mom | Aug 08 19:11 |
schestowitz | For when she has Windows issues | Aug 08 19:11 |
sebsebseb3 | schestowitz: uh Mum | Aug 08 19:11 |
schestowitz | She'll try Linux out of lack of choice | Aug 08 19:11 |
sebsebseb3 | schestowitz: English British remember :) | Aug 08 19:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | cyberfender has a website, and must be downloaded and installed | Aug 08 19:11 |
sebsebseb3 | oh she gets quite a few issues with this lap top | Aug 08 19:11 |
schestowitz | It's a good exercise in getting them familiar with 'other OS' | Aug 08 19:11 |
sebsebseb3 | or not exactly, just her being thick at computers | Aug 08 19:11 |
schestowitz | Windows | Aug 08 19:11 |
schestowitz | Not computerd | Aug 08 19:11 |
schestowitz | Windows is hard | Aug 08 19:12 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] File sharing business model not so great? DRM a necessary evil? http://tinyurl.com/2urgzpk #piracy #tpb #ukpirateparty #p2p #drm #torrent | Aug 08 19:12 | |
Diablo-D3 | You know | Aug 08 19:12 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | I am thinking DaemonFC here and cyberdefender | Aug 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | You need to learn too much junk | Aug 08 19:12 |
Diablo-D3 | I wonder if Vala can be mutated to be Java. | Aug 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | Like how to 'stay safe' and defrag and stuff | Aug 08 19:12 |
Diablo-D3 | I mean, it does the Java/C# syntax style without being C# | Aug 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it's open | Aug 08 19:12 |
sebsebseb3 | well yeah I guess, and most software for Windows is junk really, unless its opensource/freesoftware | Aug 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | And not tied to .NET | Aug 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | So you can fork it | Aug 08 19:12 |
Diablo-D3 | so.. hrm. | Aug 08 19:12 |
*Diablo-D3 shrugs. | Aug 08 19:12 | |
schestowitz | WIthout MCP threatening you | Aug 08 19:12 |
Diablo-D3 | I just want a java compiler that produces binaries and isnt fucking shit | Aug 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | bytecode? | Aug 08 19:13 |
Diablo-D3 | no actual binaries | Aug 08 19:13 |
schestowitz | MOAR mess | Aug 08 19:13 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb3: give it a go | Aug 08 19:14 |
schestowitz | You can burn a newer live CD afterwards | Aug 08 19:14 |
sebsebseb3 | schestowitz: realy her useage would fit rather well with a Linux distro | Aug 08 19:14 |
sebsebseb3 | I have mentioned before, but she isn't really interested | Aug 08 19:14 |
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FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: gcj ? or is that 'shit' | Aug 08 19:19 |
schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-iphone-ipad-macbook,11019.html | Aug 08 19:19 |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb3: leave a CD in there | Aug 08 19:19 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tomorrow I will post my 20,000th Twitter tweet. Thanks to all who follow me and post great links for me to use. | Aug 08 19:19 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] The Corporation has gone Open Source http://bit.ly/9yW11l You may not have noticed but the enterprise has already moved to #Linux & #FOSS | Aug 08 19:20 | |
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schestowitz | When there's an issue she'll have reason to pick it up and boot into it | Aug 08 19:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I read an article recently (I don't have the link) that Microsoft's Board may vote to increase the stock dividin. Which is almost like admitting that they are a blue chip mature type of company, and not a growth company like Google or Apple. | Aug 08 19:21 |
FurnaceBoy | LOL! | Aug 08 19:21 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: check the 5 yr chart vs apple | Aug 08 19:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.examiner.com/x-37543-Columbus-Technology-Examiner~y2010m8d5-Microsoft-rumored-to-be-releasing-their-own-multitouch-version-of-Apples-Magic-Trackpad | Aug 08 19:21 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: MSFT has flatlined forever | Aug 08 19:21 |
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schestowitz | BUT...... | Aug 08 19:21 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: the best they can possibly do is stop it falling off a cliff | Aug 08 19:21 |
schestowitz | You're not seeing the whole picture | Aug 08 19:21 |
schestowitz | 1. PC supply grew | Aug 08 19:21 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @sjvn You would not have noticed that the enterprise already moved to #Linux & #FOSS if you read just Digg | Aug 08 19:22 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: Congrats! | Aug 08 19:22 | |
schestowitz | 2. Microsoft reserves depleted | Aug 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | 3. Microsoft debt grew | Aug 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | So the stock says little of it all | Aug 08 19:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | if the dividin is high enough paid by MS, this would increase the stock price. Its like an interest rate paid for a loan, and would have to be higher than what most people would make on a cd. Buying back MS own stock did not seem to help the company. | Aug 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | jono is sucking up to me now, he got some blowback for his wrong insinuations about me | Aug 08 19:22 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon thanks | Aug 08 19:23 | |
schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/08/04/investopedia46128.DTL | Aug 08 19:23 |
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schestowitz | "Charles Ponzi will always be remembered as the inventor of the Ponzi scheme - a variation of the pyramid scheme that depends on paying early investors with the money from new investors. On August 2, 1920, Ponzi's scheme was coming under increasing pressure from newspaper articles pointing out holes in the investment story." | Aug 08 19:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I am predicting that MS will go this route with the higher prices paid on dividens. After all, Gates would like to sell the stock before Windows loses market share to Google, Linux, and Apple | Aug 08 19:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | it maybe a ponzi scheme, but it might work for the short term | Aug 08 19:26 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right | Aug 08 19:27 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: always was ponzi | Aug 08 19:27 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: who was that analyst who has a web site documenting this? | Aug 08 19:29 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: lol, 3rd result for 'microsoft stock scam' is "bill gates is sharing his wealth"! | Aug 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | It's a satire FurnaceBoy | Aug 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | Must be | Aug 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | Bill Gates is stealing wealth | Aug 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | So they say the opposite | Aug 08 19:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they now need to drive up the stock price, as buy backs did not work, and they have stock to sell, like rats deserting the sinking ship. | Aug 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | Reverse it for laughts | Aug 08 19:30 |
FurnaceBoy | http://lowendmac.com/lite/05/0803.html | Aug 08 19:30 |
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FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: do you know the guy I mean? the analyst | Aug 08 19:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they know windows is failing, on the decline, losing market share. And ARM is coming. | Aug 08 19:31 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I used to know his name | Aug 08 19:31 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: mental blak | Aug 08 19:31 |
FurnaceBoy | nk | Aug 08 19:31 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: I don't believe they can prevent a stock collapse | Aug 08 19:32 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: but who cares? The big guys got out | Aug 08 19:32 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: look at insider selling | Aug 08 19:32 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: it's just a vehicle that's almost outlived its purpose | Aug 08 19:32 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: Gates gutted the company and nobody complained because apparently it's "philanthropy" | Aug 08 19:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | blue chip dividend is the sure way to increase the stock price | Aug 08 19:33 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: bigger theft than madoff | Aug 08 19:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | short term | Aug 08 19:33 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: where's that money going to come from? | Aug 08 19:33 |
schestowitz | LOL Mary Jo http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/looking-at-the-world-through-bing-colored-goggles/7010 | Aug 08 19:34 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | the dividend rate has to be as high or higher than what the average investor can get in other markets | Aug 08 19:34 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yeah, accidentally insightful headline | Aug 08 19:34 |
schestowitz | He blog should be called Looking at the world through Microsoft-colored Goggles | Aug 08 19:34 |
schestowitz | *her | Aug 08 19:34 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you heard of Jeff Epstein? | Aug 08 19:35 |
schestowitz | Nope | Aug 08 19:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html | Aug 08 19:35 |
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schestowitz | That's probably what you wanna find | Aug 08 19:35 |
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schestowitz | Hi, jono | Aug 08 19:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.benzinga.com/markets/company-news/10/07/390446/microsoft-s-dividend-play | Aug 08 19:36 |
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jono | DaemonFC, I responded to your blog, please approve | Aug 08 19:36 |
jono | hey schestowitz | Aug 08 19:36 |
schestowitz | jono: you were trying to find me twice while I was asleep | Aug 08 19:36 |
schestowitz | Maybe different topics | Aug 08 19:36 |
jono | schestowitz I can't remember why | Aug 08 19:36 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: another one of the big boys club. beating a child trafficking rap. | Aug 08 19:36 |
jono | it musn't have been very important | Aug 08 19:36 |
jono | thanks for following up | Aug 08 19:36 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: probably a chum of Ballmer's | Aug 08 19:36 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @schestowitz A point I make in the story. Social networking popular does not equal business important. | Aug 08 19:37 | |
schestowitz | jono: can you or Mark deny the rumour we got from an employee? | Aug 08 19:37 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Bill Parish, exactly. | Aug 08 19:37 |
schestowitz | I mean, deny interest or negotiations with Novell? | Aug 08 19:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-22/microsoft-may-use-cash-to-boost-dividend-after-lull.html | Aug 08 19:37 |
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FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: that's teh guy i was looking for. | Aug 08 19:37 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yeah | Aug 08 19:37 |
jono | schestowitz which rumor ? | Aug 08 19:37 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yesterday I found out in Taiwan they traffic girls too | Aug 08 19:37 |
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schestowitz | Underage prostitutution... someone who travels there for business told me | Aug 08 19:38 |
schestowitz | jono: no PM, please | Aug 08 19:38 |
jono | schestowitz why? | Aug 08 19:38 |
schestowitz | the whole 'open' thing :-) | Aug 08 19:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | "Heather Bellini, an analyst at ISI Group in New York, concurs that Microsoft is likely to increase its dividend." | Aug 08 19:39 |
schestowitz | But jono, is that totally false? | Aug 08 19:39 |
schestowitz | Doesn't matter who said it | Aug 08 19:39 |
DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/ubuntus-community-manager-gratuitously-advertising-for-microsoft/#comment-1511 | Aug 08 19:40 |
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jono | schestowitz I believe it does matter | Aug 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | Anyway, bm | Aug 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | nm | Aug 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | We might never find out | Aug 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | Unless something goes through | Aug 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | Novell has been super-secret about negotiations since May | Aug 08 19:40 |
jono | in any case, I have not seen anything internally about this | Aug 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | When WSJ said it spoke to over 20 companies re buyout | Aug 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | jono: so is it false? | Aug 08 19:41 |
schestowitz | Can you ask MarkS? | Aug 08 19:41 |
jono | schestowitz you ask him | Aug 08 19:41 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: stop trolling | Aug 08 19:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | "?They really have to do something,? said Michael Holland, who oversees more than $4 billion, including Microsoft shares, as chairman of Holland & Co. in New York. ?A dividend increase is a way for the board and management to signal their overall business is healthy.? Not doing it ?would probably send an unintended signal,? he said." | Aug 08 19:41 |
schestowitz | jono: I've not mailed him in years | Aug 08 19:41 |
schestowitz | It would also be impolite | Aug 08 19:41 |
schestowitz | You're the 'front end' of Mark | Aug 08 19:41 |
jono | DaemonFC, do you realize how lame you are? | Aug 08 19:42 |
jono | schestowitz I am not the "front end" of Mark at all | Aug 08 19:42 |
jono | schestowitz if you want an answer, ask him | Aug 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | Community front | Aug 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | Public face and all | Aug 08 19:42 |
jono | or what would be better is to mail the actual CEO | Aug 08 19:42 |
jono | Jane Silber | Aug 08 19:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | PR guy | Aug 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | Matt Asay doesn't blog much :0( | Aug 08 19:42 |
DaemonFC | Ballmer: "Hello jono, back again I see" *unzips* | Aug 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | Nothing in CNET | Aug 08 19:42 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | Little in Canonical blogs | Aug 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | He took the paperword nightmare Mark talked about | Aug 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | *paperwork | Aug 08 19:43 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: sod off | Aug 08 19:43 |
jono | DaemonFC, awww, need more attention? | Aug 08 19:43 |
DaemonFC | go back to your launchpad CILs | Aug 08 19:43 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 19:43 |
schestowitz | BTW, I found out about that thing from someone who listened to Linux Outlaws | Aug 08 19:43 |
schestowitz | I don't agree with ryan about Ubuntu | Aug 08 19:44 |
jono | schestowitz all joking apart though, I have not seen anything internally - that doesn't mean that it is not happening, I might not be privvy to it, but I am a Platform manager and it is likely I would know about it | Aug 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | But I quoted it for diversity of opinion | Aug 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | Some people here dislike Ubuntu | Aug 08 19:44 |
jono | and it was news to me when I read your rumour post | Aug 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | Novell seems interested in selling SUSE | Aug 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | 6 months ago it did a lot of PR to say it made SUSE profitablre | Aug 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | After many years | Aug 08 19:45 |
DaemonFC | * Installing 1 assembly from liblaunchpad-integration1.0-cil into jono | Aug 08 19:45 |
schestowitz | As though it was slating it for compartmentalisation | Aug 08 19:45 |
schestowitz | They are too diverse to sell in one piece | Aug 08 19:45 |
schestowitz | Without antitrust or without the acquirer killing much of their portfolio | Aug 08 19:45 |
schestowitz | BTW | Aug 08 19:45 |
schestowitz | OpenSUSE community manager didn't deny this either | Aug 08 19:45 |
schestowitz | I'm in good terms with him | Aug 08 19:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <schestowitz> Some people here dislike Ubuntu" Its not so bad, my only real objection to using Ubuntu is the Mono installed by default. Anyway, Ubuntu does some good things as well. | Aug 08 19:46 |
schestowitz | They removed f-spot | Aug 08 19:46 |
schestowitz | That's less Mono | Aug 08 19:46 |
DaemonFC | they installed Banshee | Aug 08 19:46 |
schestowitz | The banshee thing was a socker | Aug 08 19:46 |
DaemonFC | that's 10 times more | Aug 08 19:46 |
schestowitz | jono spoke about it here before | Aug 08 19:46 |
schestowitz | How RB was staying | Aug 08 19:46 |
DaemonFC | yeah right | Aug 08 19:46 |
DaemonFC | they're deleting aptitude and citing space concerns | Aug 08 19:47 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu 4.10 had a very crappy GNOME media player | Aug 08 19:47 |
DaemonFC | and they're keeping Rhythmbox? | Aug 08 19:47 |
DaemonFC | doubt it | Aug 08 19:47 |
jono | DaemonFC, being serious, and I don't mean this in an impolite way, but do you understand how you undermine the good work of Free Software advocates, due to your trolling - when people outside our community join and see the kind of behavior that you exhibit, they brand us as "nutcases" | Aug 08 19:47 |
schestowitz | jono: he doesn't care | Aug 08 19:47 |
schestowitz | He hardly uses Linux | Aug 08 19:47 |
schestowitz | We kicked him many times when he was off his pills | Aug 08 19:47 |
DaemonFC | jono, Companies who "support" an OS typically only include 1 program to do a task | Aug 08 19:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC uses windows a lot too | Aug 08 19:48 |
schestowitz | "too"? | Aug 08 19:48 |
jono | DaemonFC, and what is more, you exhibit a constant flow of childish internal bickering - you actually harm Free Software because you make free software advocates wonder why they bother, having to put up with idiots such as you | Aug 08 19:48 |
schestowitz | Primarily | Aug 08 19:48 |
DaemonFC | they do that because they don't want to "support" many sets of bugs in many duplicate programs | Aug 08 19:48 |
schestowitz | He only toys with Linux | Aug 08 19:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | he is a former MS MVP | Aug 08 19:48 |
DaemonFC | Banshee replaces Rhythmbox | Aug 08 19:48 |
jono | DaemonFC, you think you are helping to keep people really free, but you are the enemy within | Aug 08 19:48 |
DaemonFC | you're not going to lie through your teeth and say both of them are staying | Aug 08 19:48 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yeah... | Aug 08 19:48 |
jono | and you are damaging free software | Aug 08 19:48 |
DaemonFC | or maybe you will | Aug 08 19:48 |
DaemonFC | we shall see | Aug 08 19:48 |
schestowitz | jono: he's not within | Aug 08 19:48 |
schestowitz | He's like a covert ops looking from the border | Aug 08 19:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | But I thing DaemonFC is coming around to being a Linux full time user | Aug 08 19:49 |
jono | schestowitz ban him :-) | Aug 08 19:49 |
jono | he is a troll | Aug 08 19:49 |
DaemonFC | no ban HIM! | Aug 08 19:49 |
DaemonFC | he's a troll! | Aug 08 19:49 |
jono | he makes a mockery of the work you do schestowitz | Aug 08 19:49 |
ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: for once, grow up | Aug 08 19:49 |
DaemonFC | he has a mustache! | Aug 08 19:49 |
schestowitz | jono: when it comes to offbeat news he's OK | Aug 08 19:49 |
schestowitz | Unless he goes racist-lunnatic | Aug 08 19:49 |
schestowitz | *lunatic | Aug 08 19:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Jono> I disagree, DaemonFC has useful information at times | Aug 08 19:49 |
schestowitz | He changes the topic to WIndows stuff | Aug 08 19:50 |
jono | Chips_B_Malroy, possibly, but I would argue that his trolling undermines his useful info | Aug 08 19:50 |
schestowitz | Sometimes he leaks out some dirty info about Microsoft failures | Aug 08 19:50 |
schestowitz | ANd I find that useful | Aug 08 19:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> you should try to be a little nicer to Jono. He doesn't have to chat with us you know. | Aug 08 19:50 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC wastes our time with Windows trivia. | Aug 08 19:50 |
jono | in any case, I am done with your idiocy, DaemonFC - just think about the effect you are having on our community | Aug 08 19:50 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: esp. today | Aug 08 19:51 |
jono | Chips_B_Malroy, just my opinion, that is all :) | Aug 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | Fair nuff | Aug 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | There's another one | Aug 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | Yuhoung | Aug 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | He pretends to be with Linux | Aug 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | But saturates the channel with Windows | Aug 08 19:51 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes, i was also thinking of him. | Aug 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | And how much he loves Vista | Aug 08 19:51 |
FurnaceBoy | he's another fence sitter | Aug 08 19:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: More work on the android Severed Fifth Fan App by @RobKielty - http://soc.li/KNGKOBZ - download and test! #severedfifth | Aug 08 19:52 | |
FurnaceBoy | creating false equalities | Aug 08 19:52 |
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schestowitz | And we don't ban him, we haven't banned in months, not even kicked | Aug 08 19:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Jono> we all have our opinon. When I said you are a PR guy for Canonical, I meant no offence, only that is your job. I can respect that. | Aug 08 19:52 |
schestowitz | Except malicious channel flooders I can't recall banning anyone in 2010 | Aug 08 19:52 |
ThistleWeb | you do have to ask yourself if these people are an aggregate positive or negative. If their bad behaviour outweighs their good, why not ban them? | Aug 08 19:52 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: what I see is that they never change. | Aug 08 19:52 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: just a peanut gallery | Aug 08 19:53 |
schestowitz | In 2009 we banned the access bully for issusing threats to people on IRC | Aug 08 19:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I see a lot of change for the better with DaemonFC | Aug 08 19:53 |
jono | Chips_B_Malroy, I am not a PR person for Canonical - I manage the community, but that doesn't mean I speak for Canonical on all issues | Aug 08 19:53 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: when he stops carrying loaded guns around everywhere he goes, we'll know he's semi-human again | Aug 08 19:53 |
ThistleWeb | looking on this convo, I see schestowitz trying to confirm or deny a rumour with jono in a reasonably fair and adult way, and DaemonFC deciding now is a great time to freak out and act like a 2 yr old on steroids | Aug 08 19:53 |
schestowitz | Today he postd here a photo of him gun | Aug 08 19:53 |
jono | I can speak about the community sure, but things such as potential acquisitions is really out of my remit | Aug 08 19:53 |
FurnaceBoy | jono is a patient man... | Aug 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | Ubutnu buying opensuse would be OK | Aug 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | In theory, it could rescue SUSE from the deal | Aug 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | Depending how it's branded and how SLE* feeds off opensuse | Aug 08 19:54 |
jono | and to be clear, I never want to censor DaemonFC, just that if I was an op here I would see his childish and trolling behavior as a reason to (a) warn him and then if there is no improvement in conduct (b) ban him | Aug 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yeah, he's always cool | Aug 08 19:55 |
jono | but I am not an op and I respect and trust schestowitz decisions | Aug 08 19:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <jono> Chips_B_Malroy, I am not a PR person for Canonical - I manage the community, but that doesn't mean I speak for Canonical on all issues" Then maybe I have it all wrong then, for that I apolize. Still you have to tow the company line, I would not expect anything less. But I do believe you are an honest sort and would not lie. From what I have seen of you. | Aug 08 19:55 |
jono | FurnaceBoy, thanks | Aug 08 19:55 |
schestowitz | jono: we don't ban | Aug 08 19:55 |
schestowitz | It's bad rap | Aug 08 19:55 |
schestowitz | Except unusual circumstances | Aug 08 19:55 |
schestowitz | Like "MUTEX" | Aug 08 19:55 |
jono | Chips_B_Malroy, I don't have to tow the company line really, if I disagree with something, I will object | Aug 08 19:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I believe you | Aug 08 19:55 |
jono | schestowitz understood | Aug 08 19:56 |
ThistleWeb | Apple to buy Canonical and base the next OSX on it </sarcasm> | Aug 08 19:56 |
jono | Chips_B_Malroy, I appreciate the apology though | Aug 08 19:56 |
jono | :) | Aug 08 19:56 |
schestowitz | Meh. PR: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20012507-1.html | Aug 08 19:56 |
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schestowitz | jono: not much Ubuntu news recently | Aug 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | The PR impact has been lessened in recent months | Aug 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | Based on the news feeds | Aug 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | Android, Android, Android, Android... | Aug 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | "Android" is the new "Ubuntu" | Aug 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | Linux lives somewhere in Portland | Aug 08 19:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Android is like the Terminator, it cannot be stopped! | Aug 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 08 19:58 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: google has momentum.. | Aug 08 19:58 |
schestowitz | Like I said before, it's a bad name | Aug 08 19:58 |
schestowitz | Like "borg" | Aug 08 19:58 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 08 19:58 |
schestowitz | Yeah... let's welcome the android takeover | Aug 08 19:58 |
FurnaceBoy | Ubuntu is the other extreme | Aug 08 19:58 |
FurnaceBoy | (name wise) | Aug 08 19:58 |
schestowitz | It also says something about Google | Aug 08 19:58 |
schestowitz | That it has no heart/emotion | Aug 08 19:58 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 08 19:58 |
schestowitz | Remote deletion? "The Android did it" | Aug 08 19:58 |
FurnaceBoy | it's ruthless... results oriented... | Aug 08 19:58 |
FurnaceBoy | hehe | Aug 08 19:58 |
schestowitz | [19:58] <FurnaceBoy> Ubuntu is the other extreme | Aug 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu is half-naked dudes and girls | Aug 08 19:59 |
FurnaceBoy | Hahahah | Aug 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | The girls are less than half naked | Aug 08 19:59 |
FurnaceBoy | National geographic? | Aug 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | To make it SFW | Aug 08 19:59 |
FurnaceBoy | LOL | Aug 08 19:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I run the Android live cd intel port in Virtualbox, 1.6 r2, not too bad for a cellphone OS is my opinion. Gots to be better than any CE | Aug 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | Jeff Waugh was assigned by MarkS to do it | Aug 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | Mark showed them a girl with breasts | Aug 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | And told the dozen or so staff that this was his marketing strategy | Aug 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | He called her... I can't remember now | Aug 08 20:00 |
FurnaceBoy | "Even half naked asian chicks can't make kinect sexy" | Aug 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | "Sabrina" I think | Aug 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | It's in an old interview | Aug 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | I transcribed some of it | Aug 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yeah | Aug 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | I have a post about KINect coming | Aug 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | It's the next KIN | Aug 08 20:00 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in other words, they're marketing to DaemonFC type | Aug 08 20:00 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: who can be swayed by fluff, vapor | Aug 08 20:00 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: who have no principles and believe only technical differences matter | Aug 08 20:01 |
DaemonFC | jono, your retarded Code of Conduct applies in #ubuntu* | Aug 08 20:01 |
FurnaceBoy | yu*koff*hong | Aug 08 20:01 |
DaemonFC | I am not in #ubuntu* | Aug 08 20:01 |
DaemonFC | therefore, I do not agree to your "CoC" | Aug 08 20:02 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that doesn't mean you shouldn't behave decently wherever you are. | Aug 08 20:02 |
jono | DaemonFC, of course you don't, you disagree with any kind of civil conduct it seems | Aug 08 20:02 |
DaemonFC | Chain of C******* | Aug 08 20:02 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 08 20:02 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you can't just wave a weapon here and have us all lie down | Aug 08 20:02 |
schestowitz | [20:01] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: who can be swayed by fluff, vapor | Aug 08 20:02 |
schestowitz | No | Aug 08 20:02 |
jono | DaemonFC, all we want to see from you is mature, civil, appropriate conduct | Aug 08 20:02 |
schestowitz | They show girls | Aug 08 20:02 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC doesn't like girls | Aug 08 20:02 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he likes em, duct taped to chairs, well enough | Aug 08 20:03 |
jono | DaemonFC, how old are you? | Aug 08 20:03 |
jono | are you a teenager? | Aug 08 20:03 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: his fantasy world is violent | Aug 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | Kin with a gun | Aug 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | And a cat | Aug 08 20:03 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: where the sexual organ is heavy metal and six chambered | Aug 08 20:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> even if you don't like Ubuntu, there's no reason to take it out on Jono, he only works for them. | Aug 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | he also has a computer | Aug 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | where he can share photos of world+dog (cat+gun) | Aug 08 20:04 |
DaemonFC | and stuff! | Aug 08 20:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Jono> even you, are going to far with what you are saying to DaemonFC. | Aug 08 20:04 |
FurnaceBoy | ?! | Aug 08 20:04 |
jono | Chips_B_Malroy, saying what? | Aug 08 20:04 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: he had it coming | Aug 08 20:05 |
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DaemonFC | I never take pictures of myself with a gun because they usually just go have a field day with those if you ever do have to shoot someone | Aug 08 20:05 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: 'have to' | Aug 08 20:05 |
DaemonFC | "Local gun nut *picture right"... | Aug 08 20:05 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're hoping this will happen. | Aug 08 20:05 |
DaemonFC | he's trying to provoke me | Aug 08 20:05 |
DaemonFC | oh well | Aug 08 20:05 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that one day you'll be called upon to do that. And you fantasise that it isn't murder. | Aug 08 20:05 |
schestowitz | Ovrsixed phone: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-research-shows-off-a-prototype-menlo-mobile-phone/7029 | Aug 08 20:05 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | <jono> Chips_B_Malroy, saying what?" Jono, think for a minute, you are the public face for Ubuntu here. | Aug 08 20:06 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft | Aug 08 20:06 |
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jono | Chips_B_Malroy, what did I say that you take issue with? | Aug 08 20:06 |
DaemonFC | public face of zomgvista! | Aug 08 20:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | jono> Chips_B_Malroy, what did I say that you take issue with?" Nothing with me, just you could be a little nicer to DaemonFC as well. | Aug 08 20:07 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: seems the meds have run out, indeed | Aug 08 20:07 |
ThistleWeb | it's convos like this that give fuel to the people who accuse techrights of being fulla nutcases | Aug 08 20:07 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: thankfully this is #boycottnovell ;-) | Aug 08 20:07 |
DaemonFC | I hope jono didn't pay to much for his Built for Vista sound card | Aug 08 20:07 |
ThistleWeb | you can't have a serious conversation with DaemonFC in the channel | Aug 08 20:08 |
DaemonFC | it probably won't work in 2-3 years even on Windows | Aug 08 20:08 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: come on, grow up | Aug 08 20:08 |
jono | Chips_B_Malroy, I don't believe I have not been nice, but I am not going to sugar coat the fact that I believe he needs to improve his conduct | Aug 08 20:08 |
ThistleWeb | I wouldn't blame jono if he just up and left, given this convo | Aug 08 20:08 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 08 20:08 |
FurnaceBoy | i frequently leave the channel due to DaemonFC 's toxic spills | Aug 08 20:09 |
jono | these things happen, there are some trolls on the net, just the way things are sometimes | Aug 08 20:09 |
DaemonFC | http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ballmer.jpg | Aug 08 20:09 |
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DaemonFC | Daddy Warbucks give him the Vista! | Aug 08 20:09 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 20:09 |
ThistleWeb | and the fact that he's not been warned / kicked etc can easily be interpretted as a sign of consent to keep acting like a child | Aug 08 20:09 |
jono | ThistleWeb, that is exactly my concern, which is why I suggested it to schestowitz | Aug 08 20:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | It was far worse when Mutux and Lumpy were here, those were real trolls | Aug 08 20:09 |
ThistleWeb | worse is relative, they're not here, he is | Aug 08 20:10 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/american-billionaires-bill-gates-and-warren-buffett-aim-to-help-solve-worlds-problems/story-e6frg6so-1225902722174 | Aug 08 20:10 |
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schestowitz | awwwwwwww........ | Aug 08 20:10 |
schestowitz | Not inquisitive | Aug 08 20:10 |
ThistleWeb | it does kinda undermine the message of uncovering trolls etc when you allow it in your own channels where you DO have the power to do something about it | Aug 08 20:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> calm down, be nicer to jono, so you do not get kicked | Aug 08 20:11 |
ThistleWeb | the message becomes "it's alright for us, but not you" | Aug 08 20:11 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: take more pills | Aug 08 20:11 |
DaemonFC | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051219112213/uncyclopedia/images/4/4f/Gnomehint.png | Aug 08 20:12 |
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schestowitz | Ask Gonad (your step dad) for meth | Aug 08 20:12 |
*jono blinks | Aug 08 20:12 | |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: you may as well tell him to carry on, it changes nothing | Aug 08 20:12 |
jono | ok, this is all a little too weird for me | Aug 08 20:12 |
jono | have fun folks! | Aug 08 20:12 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | MS BOB! | Aug 08 20:12 |
*ThistleWeb is now thinking about removing this channel fromt he autojoin in xchat | Aug 08 20:13 | |
FurnaceBoy | hm. | Aug 08 20:13 |
ThistleWeb | what a fucking joke | Aug 08 20:13 |
FurnaceBoy | well. ThistleWeb you called it. | Aug 08 20:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Jono needs to develop a little thicker skin, IMO. In that type of position he will be asked a lot of questions. | Aug 08 20:13 |
FurnaceBoy | I don't think Roy's management should be faulted here. | Aug 08 20:14 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC is just not a properly self regulating or self aware adult. | Aug 08 20:14 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: seriously, you do some great work exposing and archiving stuff MS, Novell, Apple etc do but this type of behaviour undermines ALL of that good work | Aug 08 20:14 |
DaemonFC | and yet I don't have to be | Aug 08 20:14 |
DaemonFC | cool huh? | Aug 08 20:14 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: around here you do. | Aug 08 20:14 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: keep your exceptional "i can be an armed asshole" for your busted up hometown. | Aug 08 20:14 |
schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/328781 "One needn't be a developer to grasp dangers of #Mono trap. Seems distros fall for it in the popularity rat race." | Aug 08 20:15 |
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FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: however, this is the 'junk' channel is it not? isn't #techrights where teh adults hang out? | Aug 08 20:15 |
ThistleWeb | as an op of the channel, allowing it, or making half hearted warning jokes to try and moderate it IS man management failure | Aug 08 20:15 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Having a plan can be considered fantasizing I guess | Aug 08 20:15 |
DaemonFC | not having a plan and introducing latency is worse | Aug 08 20:15 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: this violent showreel that runs in your head all the time -- you should get help. | Aug 08 20:16 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and throw the guns into a lake. today. | Aug 08 20:16 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: before you act out any of those fantasies | Aug 08 20:16 |
ThistleWeb | you're not going to get anyone to take techrights seriously if they come in at a time and see this | Aug 08 20:16 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: banning isn't a good answer, though. too simple. | Aug 08 20:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Thinking to install MS Bob in Dosbox, just for the heck of it | Aug 08 20:16 |
ThistleWeb | there's already plenty of peeps who make up shit to throw at you, you don't need real shit to add to the mix | Aug 08 20:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | This is IRC not the front page | Aug 08 20:17 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: it's linked from thar | Aug 08 20:17 |
ThistleWeb | yep, the age old "fingers in the ears NANANANA" approach works wonders | Aug 08 20:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | sometimes yes | Aug 08 20:17 |
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FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: I'm not saying nothing should be done. but it's not clear what. imploring him to grow up hasn't worked. | Aug 08 20:18 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: can't you see the damage DaemonFC does in here? | Aug 08 20:18 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: he's the only reason I don't join here | Aug 08 20:18 |
FurnaceBoy | Tihautojoin* | Aug 08 20:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're damaging the site | Aug 08 20:18 |
ThistleWeb | FurnaceBoy: it doesn't work, because he knows he can act with impunity, he'll never be banned | Aug 08 20:18 |
DaemonFC | translation: you're a wuss | Aug 08 20:18 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC has his bad days as does everyone. Even Jono seemed to have a bad day today. | Aug 08 20:19 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: so far | Aug 08 20:19 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: jono? hell no. He was perfectly reasonable and patient. | Aug 08 20:19 |
DaemonFC | bad hair day | Aug 08 20:19 |
ThistleWeb | I appreciate what techrights does but this convo has made me wonder at the sanity on the channel | Aug 08 20:19 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: jono probably thinks I have something to do with your abuses | Aug 08 20:19 |
schestowitz | But I don't | Aug 08 20:19 |
schestowitz | And I don't want to tell you how to behave (or kick you) | Aug 08 20:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I would actually say that DaemonFC contributes more here than Jono does. Not that both should not be able to comment. | Aug 08 20:20 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: you do if you don't do anything to force him to behave or GTFO | Aug 08 20:20 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: jono respects you, as we all do. because we see what you do and say. | Aug 08 20:20 |
schestowitz | I spoke to him on the phone | Aug 08 20:20 |
schestowitz | He's cool | Aug 08 20:20 |
DaemonFC | jono respects his next paycheck | Aug 08 20:20 |
schestowitz | After he did a jack job on the radio | Aug 08 20:20 |
ThistleWeb | this is YOUR channel. YOU are the op, the site is about YOU, from YOUR reputation | Aug 08 20:20 |
DaemonFC | but then again, so does everyone | Aug 08 20:20 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: but ban DFC, and who next? | Aug 08 20:20 |
schestowitz | But there's some odd folks hanging around the site | Aug 08 20:20 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: it's a bit of a slippery slope | Aug 08 20:20 |
schestowitz | Like that guy who called someone's employer | Aug 08 20:21 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: yuhong is DFC lite | Aug 08 20:21 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: just a time waster | Aug 08 20:21 |
schestowitz | yuhounh is a kid | Aug 08 20:21 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: putting sugar in the tank | Aug 08 20:21 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC is acting like one | Aug 08 20:21 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: sure | Aug 08 20:21 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they need an opportunity to grow | Aug 08 20:21 |
schestowitz | Kids with guns | Aug 08 20:21 |
schestowitz | Don't mix well | Aug 08 20:21 |
ThistleWeb | by not enforcing at least civil conduct, you're endorsing uncivil conduct | Aug 08 20:21 |
DaemonFC | putting sugar in the tank is juvenile and doesn't ruin the engine | Aug 08 20:21 |
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DaemonFC | going to jail for costing someone a fuel injector cleaning is not worth it | Aug 08 20:22 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: so stop doing it here | Aug 08 20:22 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: not by banning | Aug 08 20:22 |
schestowitz | Look at Groklaw | Aug 08 20:22 |
schestowitz | Got the reputation of censor | Aug 08 20:22 |
FurnaceBoy | yeah | Aug 08 20:22 |
ThistleWeb | it's convos like this and people like him that make me hesitate to affiliate myself with this channel | Aug 08 20:22 |
schestowitz | So it can brag about no bad language but not accepting views | Aug 08 20:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> everyone needs a paycheck or a means to live. Jono actually seems a mostly honest person to me. Sure there are times he just doesn't want anwser questions that he dodges. | Aug 08 20:22 |
FurnaceBoy | i've had GL posts deleted | Aug 08 20:22 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: DaemonFC is not this channel | Aug 08 20:23 |
schestowitz | He's an outcast here | Aug 08 20:23 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: you log the channels and post them, anyone who cares can read through and see why | Aug 08 20:23 |
schestowitz | The probelamtic bastard child | Aug 08 20:23 |
DaemonFC | woohoo | Aug 08 20:23 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's earned that status | Aug 08 20:23 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: won't change | Aug 08 20:23 |
ThistleWeb | yet one who can do whatever he pleases | Aug 08 20:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | he might | Aug 08 20:23 |
schestowitz | Free as in freedom | Aug 08 20:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | he has changed a lot | Aug 08 20:23 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: at least each utterance is tagged with nick. intelligent observers can separate. | Aug 08 20:24 |
ThistleWeb | so he has ZERO reason to behave like a civilised human being then | Aug 08 20:24 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: he doesn't believe it's necessary. | Aug 08 20:24 |
schestowitz | He was kicked before | Aug 08 20:24 |
schestowitz | But he tried hard to get back | Aug 08 20:24 |
ThistleWeb | that obviously worked then | Aug 08 20:24 |
schestowitz | It didn't | Aug 08 20:24 |
schestowitz | He started cursing | Aug 08 20:24 |
Chips_B_Malroy | When I came here DaemonFC was out of control badly, he has changed a lot, He contributes. | Aug 08 20:24 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: maybe we need to eliminate his emotional payoffs | Aug 08 20:24 |
ThistleWeb | I'm not gonna waste my time pointing out the obvious | Aug 08 20:24 |
DaemonFC | civilization is unnecessary, it's an artificial construct for convenience of people sitting on top of the stack | Aug 08 20:24 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: sometimes, not today | Aug 08 20:25 |
DaemonFC | who convince those feeding them that they need to obey the rules | Aug 08 20:25 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: this is toddler level behaviour | Aug 08 20:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | cause Jono ticked him off today | Aug 08 20:25 |
DaemonFC | when public shaming isn't enough, laws get passed | Aug 08 20:25 |
DaemonFC | when laws get broken, people go to jail | Aug 08 20:26 |
DaemonFC | but not all laws are equal | Aug 08 20:26 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/stevejberry/statuses/20633979656 "quality not quantity. that goes for boobs too." | Aug 08 20:26 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Daemon has to take meds, its easy to send him over the edge | Aug 08 20:26 |
ThistleWeb | ya know what? yer welcome to him, I've removed this channel from the autojoins, feel free to remove my twitter posts from the feed if ya like, I'm not fussed either way | Aug 08 20:26 |
DaemonFC | costing a rich person money can get you in more trouble than first degree murder | Aug 08 20:26 |
ThistleWeb | happy trollin' | Aug 08 20:26 |
ThistleWeb | cyas | Aug 08 20:26 |
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DaemonFC | Why would a civilized society joke about "misdemeanor murder"? | Aug 08 20:27 |
DaemonFC | there's a question for you | Aug 08 20:27 |
DaemonFC | if you're big on "civilization" | Aug 08 20:27 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: he's over no edge. | Aug 08 20:27 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: this is just idling | Aug 08 20:27 |
DaemonFC | the "misdemeanor murder" concept exists because we're not equal as much as we like to pretend to be | Aug 08 20:28 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh yeah that's 10x true for boobs | Aug 08 20:28 |
DaemonFC | it's society's way of looking the other way when someone they dislike gets "taken care of" | Aug 08 20:28 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: as a first cut, you could omit him from logging. | Aug 08 20:28 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that would reduce payoff | Aug 08 20:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | from the first link on this: "Flush with the cash, Microsoft may boost its quarterly dividend from $0.13 to $0.15, or a yield of 2.31% at a cost of $700 million per year. After a 21% slide in the stock price over the last quarter, the company's management might use a dividend increase to keep investors from jumping ship." | Aug 08 20:28 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: whatever it takes. | Aug 08 20:29 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: it's just flogging a dead horse | Aug 08 20:29 |
DaemonFC | Well, most of the psychiatrists here are imported you know | Aug 08 20:29 |
DaemonFC | half of them barely speak English, I'm sure they care about my problems | Aug 08 20:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | piling on is a good thing, it will help MS die or improve zuner. | Aug 08 20:30 |
schestowitz | Nice: http://twitter.com/joedevon/statuses/20643334898 | Aug 08 20:30 |
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schestowitz | Links to two posts of mine | Aug 08 20:30 |
schestowitz | To debunk Gates PR | Aug 08 20:30 |
schestowitz | "Are you sure? PR: http://bit.ly/aBRy8m http://bit.ly/c2c64o Hmm: http://bit.ly/bj3clq http://bit.ly/98d6uz http://bit.ly/buLzuD " | Aug 08 20:30 |
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FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: move | Aug 08 20:30 |
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FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if you decided to become human, you can move to a human society | Aug 08 20:30 |
DaemonFC | I used to go to a psychiatrist until I realized that I'm not the problem | Aug 08 20:30 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 20:30 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: correct, you are an insane product of an insane context. | Aug 08 20:30 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but there's a door | Aug 08 20:31 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and it's not the door marked 'shoot some people' | Aug 08 20:31 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that one, is one-way | Aug 08 20:31 |
DaemonFC | of course if I was crazy, that's exactly what I would say | Aug 08 20:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> insulting Jono is like insulting Ubuntu, and many users use Ubuntu, even here. | Aug 08 20:31 |
DaemonFC | so I know you're going to make a point of that | Aug 08 20:31 |
DaemonFC | I guess I expect the worst out of people as a sort of negative elevation | Aug 08 20:32 |
DaemonFC | where you embrace the fact that the other guy is a complete bastard | Aug 08 20:32 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: DaemonFC uses Vista/7 | Aug 08 20:32 |
DaemonFC | and it prepares you for the possibility | Aug 08 20:33 |
DaemonFC | on what? | Aug 08 20:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the best way to make a point, is to never get mad, kill your enemies with kindness. Not that Jono is in any way the enemy, don't get me wrong. | Aug 08 20:33 |
DaemonFC | jono is the enemy within | Aug 08 20:33 |
DaemonFC | that's a good buzz phrase | Aug 08 20:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Jono is mostly on our side | Aug 08 20:33 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon people who comment in the site or come to the IRC channel. We are debating whether to permban @daemonfc ATM (for unruly behav) | Aug 08 20:35 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, I think he does partly watch what happens here, for reaction to mono problems in Ubuntu. sure | Aug 08 20:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but spy is too severe a word | Aug 08 20:35 |
sebsebseb3 | Chips_B_Malroy: Who? | Aug 08 20:35 |
sebsebseb3 | just joined again | Aug 08 20:35 |
schestowitz | buntu | Aug 08 20:35 |
DaemonFC | jono needs to change his tampon and I'm getting flak | Aug 08 20:35 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb3, | Aug 08 20:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I don't think you were totally wrong DaemonFC, only you needed to be nicer about your chat with Jono, and needed to stay on subject. | Aug 08 20:37 |
DaemonFC | well, he reads my blog, decides to get mad, comes in here, starts barking orders at me | Aug 08 20:37 |
DaemonFC | trying to get me pissed so I'll snap at him | Aug 08 20:37 |
DaemonFC | then asks schestowitz to throw me out | Aug 08 20:38 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: it is your choice, and a choice I respect. Maybe ask him to improve and then assess his conduct thereafter. | Aug 08 20:38 | |
DaemonFC | it's calculated | Aug 08 20:38 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> trying to get me pissed so I'll snap at him" well, not sure thats what he was trying, but if it was, it worked didn't it? | Aug 08 20:39 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 08 20:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so next time be nice | Aug 08 20:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | thats the proper way to debate, I learned that from Goblin | Aug 08 20:40 |
Chips_B_Malroy | we all can learn | Aug 08 20:40 |
schestowitz | http://newsfuzion.com/2010/08/06/microsoft-corporation-nasdaqmsft-stock-flounders-long-term-shows-promise/ | Aug 08 20:40 |
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Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you know | Aug 08 20:41 |
Diablo-D3 | I should buy ms stock | Aug 08 20:41 |
Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Aug 08 20:41 |
Diablo-D3 | the stream of idiots who fall for microsoft's lies is neverending. | Aug 08 20:41 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft likes to leak things that makes their stock go down | Aug 08 20:41 |
DaemonFC | it's intentional | Aug 08 20:41 |
Diablo-D3 | strictly by the numbers, microsoft isnt a bad buy | Aug 08 20:41 |
DaemonFC | that way they can buy it back cheaper | Aug 08 20:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | question is, how long could MS pay a devidend at blue chip rates? | Aug 08 20:42 |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: I dont care about dividents | Aug 08 20:42 |
Diablo-D3 | s/t/d/ | Aug 08 20:42 |
DaemonFC | stock going down can either be deliberate and taken advantage of and short term | Aug 08 20:42 |
sebsebseb3 | So what have I missed? DaemonFC annoyed Jono recently ? | Aug 08 20:42 |
Diablo-D3 | although, the side effect is there are people who DO and happily sell stock (for a loss) when stocks pay less of them | Aug 08 20:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its all they got to raise the stock price out of the krapper | Aug 08 20:42 |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, but you look at it wrong | Aug 08 20:43 |
DaemonFC | or it can be unintentional and spiral into catastrophe | Aug 08 20:43 |
Diablo-D3 | you see a "stock in the crapper" I see a stock on sale. | Aug 08 20:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | agreed, but needs an event to raise the price if you buy it on the cheap, like Ballmer being replaced would help. | Aug 08 20:43 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon we had the same problem in 2008 and 2009. People try to help (apparently) but their harm outweighs our freedom of speech. | Aug 08 20:44 | |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: remember when the US economy hit rock bottom like 2 years ago? | Aug 08 20:44 |
Diablo-D3 | everyone paniced | Aug 08 20:44 |
Diablo-D3 | I was of the minority who salivated instead | Aug 08 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:41] <Diablo-D3> the stream of idiots who fall for microsoft's lies is neverending. | Aug 08 20:44 |
schestowitz | Why not Apple then? | Aug 08 20:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | buy low sell high | Aug 08 20:44 |
schestowitz | Using the same logic... | Aug 08 20:44 |
Diablo-D3 | yes, and when you're at historically low lows... om nom nom nom nom | Aug 08 20:44 |
schestowitz | Foconn with some religious symbol (shaped like an appkle) | Aug 08 20:44 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I actually have an apple pick open on my paper portfolio | Aug 08 20:45 |
Diablo-D3 | its beating the market | Aug 08 20:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | how to make a small fortune on the stock market, start with a large fortune. | Aug 08 20:45 |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: :D :D :D :D :D | Aug 08 20:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Sorry, I couldn't help myself | Aug 08 20:45 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 08 20:45 |
*schestowitz hates the word portfolio | Aug 08 20:46 | |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb3: wb | Aug 08 20:46 |
MinceR | what. >> 195810 < schestowitz> MinceR ought to get a sleeping bad and live in one ;-) :-0- | Aug 08 20:46 |
schestowitz | Apple store | Aug 08 20:46 |
schestowitz | *bag | Aug 08 20:46 |
schestowitz | Many cheerful fan would envy you | Aug 08 20:46 |
schestowitz | *Apple fans | Aug 08 20:46 |
Diablo-D3 | Ive had microsoft picks open too | Aug 08 20:47 |
Diablo-D3 | they didnt fare as well | Aug 08 20:47 |
schestowitz | He'd wake up screaming at the middle of the night | Aug 08 20:47 |
schestowitz | The mall would call the police | Aug 08 20:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Diablo-D3> of course your plan assumes that MS stock is at the low point. As a company, I see few products coming that would be helpful and longtime pain. | Aug 08 20:47 |
schestowitz | Hehe. Diablo-D3 is a Madoff wannebe | Aug 08 20:47 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: what? Madoff NEVER invested that money | Aug 08 20:48 |
schestowitz | With his portflio strutting.. | Aug 08 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | how am I like Madoff? | Aug 08 20:48 |
schestowitz | Joking | Aug 08 20:48 |
schestowitz | Testing for reactiomn | Aug 08 20:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | WP7 is almost certain to be a failure | Aug 08 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | I dont portfolio strutt | Aug 08 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | I think wall street is full of shit | Aug 08 20:48 |
schestowitz | Madoff invested other people's money | Aug 08 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: nope | Aug 08 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | he didnt | Aug 08 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | thats the genuis of his scam | Aug 08 20:48 |
schestowitz | He did an SSH chain trick on them | Aug 08 20:48 |
FurnaceBoy | hardly genius | Aug 08 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | he hoarded all of it for himself | Aug 08 20:48 |
DaemonFC | I have a police scanner | Aug 08 20:48 |
FurnaceBoy | it's very common | Aug 08 20:48 |
DaemonFC | why do we pay those idiots | Aug 08 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | this is why it was "hard" to catch him | Aug 08 20:49 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: take the law into your own hands | Aug 08 20:49 |
Diablo-D3 | he NEVER invested any of it | Aug 08 20:49 |
DaemonFC | very rarely do they do something important | Aug 08 20:49 |
DaemonFC | or right | Aug 08 20:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Diablo-D3> what event will cause MS stock to start back up ? | Aug 08 20:49 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: In Indina, police scam YOU | Aug 08 20:49 |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: the market merely needs to believe microsoft has gotten better | Aug 08 20:49 |
schestowitz | *scan *Indiana | Aug 08 20:49 |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: it doesnt ACTUALLY have to happen or be true | Aug 08 20:49 |
FurnaceBoy | +12 | Aug 08 20:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | maybe | Aug 08 20:49 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3 has some criminal record or something | Aug 08 20:49 |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: now, if they hired me as CEO, clearly this would cause the stock to go back up | Aug 08 20:49 |
schestowitz | Parole officers and stuff | Aug 08 20:49 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I do not. | Aug 08 20:49 |
schestowitz | So we have some cons here | Aug 08 20:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | perceptions is key, agreed | Aug 08 20:49 |
schestowitz | OOPS | Aug 08 20:49 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: | Aug 08 20:49 |
Diablo-D3 | yeah DaemonFC is the jail bird here | Aug 08 20:50 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: nothing else, in fact, is important. | Aug 08 20:50 |
schestowitz | Sorry, bad autocomplete | Aug 08 20:50 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: see ? Ballmer = Hayward | Aug 08 20:50 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: managing a corporation is managing perceptions, message | Aug 08 20:50 |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: btw, Ive been researching wall street for years. it isnt what the truth is, its what people think the truth is | Aug 08 20:50 |
Diablo-D3 | its hard to tell the difference | Aug 08 20:50 |
schestowitz | "True money" | Aug 08 20:50 |
schestowitz | "True success" | Aug 08 20:50 |
Diablo-D3 | you CAN play by the numbers if you know what the numbers actually mean | Aug 08 20:50 |
schestowitz | "Truth in advertising" | Aug 08 20:50 |
schestowitz | "Trusted computing" | Aug 08 20:51 |
Diablo-D3 | the numbers are backwards facing belief of what the numbers actually are | Aug 08 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 08 20:51 |
schestowitz | "TrueType" | Aug 08 20:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | which is the reason Ballmer must be replaced now, perception. | Aug 08 20:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | of failure | Aug 08 20:51 |
DaemonFC | Ballmer is a great guy | Aug 08 20:51 |
DaemonFC | he gives Linux community leaders free Vista7 | Aug 08 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: depends. | Aug 08 20:51 |
DaemonFC | so they can go tell the world how Linux has failed them | Aug 08 20:51 |
Diablo-D3 | ie, theres a number that tells you how volatile a stock is | Aug 08 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: in important ways he may be a success | Aug 08 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: remember, this is a dead horse. | Aug 08 20:51 |
Diablo-D3 | a) its really how volatile it WAS | Aug 08 20:51 |
DaemonFC | and only Ballmer could help | Aug 08 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: it's all timing | Aug 08 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: the fleas just need to get the signal at the right time to jump off the corpse | Aug 08 20:52 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: or be buried | Aug 08 20:52 |
Diablo-D3 | b) it actually time travels and makes the stock as volatile as it says it does by shaping people's memories | Aug 08 20:52 |
Diablo-D3 | c) it also effects future volatility because people forget past performance has no effect on future performance | Aug 08 20:52 |
Diablo-D3 | all the numbers have similar problems | Aug 08 20:53 |
Diablo-D3 | it makes people believe things | Aug 08 20:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | FurnaceBoy> Chips_B_Malroy: remember, this is a dead horse." Almost, I would say its more of an ageing dying dinosaur. | Aug 08 20:53 |
Diablo-D3 | its not a "lie" in the sense that all statistics aren't really lies | Aug 08 20:53 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: walking dead | Aug 08 20:53 |
Diablo-D3 | its just that 99.9% of the _professionals_ on wall street just dont get the numbers. | Aug 08 20:53 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: Gates left the building. Why on earth that didn't clue people in, I'll never know. | Aug 08 20:54 |
FurnaceBoy | "Mission Accomplished"; greatest heist in history. | Aug 08 20:54 |
Diablo-D3 | btw, the point of my research has been how do you beat the market | Aug 08 20:54 |
Diablo-D3 | and guess what Ive concluded? | Aug 08 20:54 |
Diablo-D3 | you cant do it consistently. | Aug 08 20:54 |
FurnaceBoy | the only way to win is not to play? | Aug 08 20:54 |
Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: no | Aug 08 20:54 |
Diablo-D3 | the only way to win is to hold all the numbers. | Aug 08 20:54 |
FurnaceBoy | yes, i read a good explanation recently | Aug 08 20:55 |
Diablo-D3 | its sorta like this | Aug 08 20:55 |
FurnaceBoy | that once the stock hits the public markets the money's already been made | Aug 08 20:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | lets see wp7 will fail, so that leaves the Xmas shopping season to save Ballmer and the stock prices, unless the board raises the devidend. Is that about right? That is how I see the perception playing out. | Aug 08 20:55 |
Diablo-D3 | why invest in ANY single company? | Aug 08 20:55 |
Diablo-D3 | invest in them all | Aug 08 20:55 |
Diablo-D3 | vanguard's first index fund was designed around that concept | Aug 08 20:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | mutal fund | Aug 08 20:55 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: you seem a little too concerned about the vicissitudes of MSFT | Aug 08 20:55 |
Diablo-D3 | they invested in the whole s&p 500 (which is like 98% of all the money on the stock market) | Aug 08 20:56 |
Diablo-D3 | its been "replaced" with one that does all 1000% (almost 4000 companies) | Aug 08 20:56 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: popcorn, wait for the real crash. | Aug 08 20:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS is the dark side of Linux, almost all new users will come from windows | Aug 08 20:56 |
Diablo-D3 | Ive been trying to beat that index | Aug 08 20:56 |
Diablo-D3 | its _very very very fucking hard_ | Aug 08 20:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 08 20:56 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: ye | Aug 08 20:56 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: which puts Ubuntu in a critical position.... | Aug 08 20:56 |
Diablo-D3 | the only method Ive found is to build a micro index of my own | Aug 08 20:56 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: are they ready.... | Aug 08 20:56 |
Diablo-D3 | I limit myself to 200 companies | Aug 08 20:57 |
Diablo-D3 | and I fuck up frequently, but my fuckups still make money | Aug 08 20:57 |
Diablo-D3 | just not as MUCH money | Aug 08 20:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I don't hate Ubuntu, just I perfer other distro's. And its not my personal choice to use mono. | Aug 08 20:57 |
Diablo-D3 | my average pick beats the market by a tiny amount | Aug 08 20:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but that does not make it completely bad for others | Aug 08 20:58 |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: during my first year of doing this, the s&p 500 rose 22% | Aug 08 20:58 |
Diablo-D3 | I hit 24%. | Aug 08 20:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Diablo-D3> my average pick beats the market by a tiny amount" so you day trade? | Aug 08 20:59 |
Diablo-D3 | thats how very fucking little I beat the market. | Aug 08 20:59 |
Diablo-D3 | no, no day trading | Aug 08 20:59 |
Diablo-D3 | I force myself to hold a stock more than 7 days. | Aug 08 20:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | more long term then | Aug 08 20:59 |
Diablo-D3 | if I fuck up, I have to take my lumps. | Aug 08 20:59 |
Diablo-D3 | its the only way to make sure I get better at it | Aug 08 20:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or hold them longer? | Aug 08 20:59 |
Diablo-D3 | some Ive held for months | Aug 08 20:59 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Kmart Briefly Offers $149 Android Tablet - http://bit.ly/c3ugkp why #iPad will be niche: impulse, near-disposable #Android tablets | Aug 08 21:00 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | makes sense | Aug 08 21:00 |
Diablo-D3 | it a good pick keeps going nuts, I keep holding it | Aug 08 21:00 |
Diablo-D3 | my best pick was a gain of 352%, the market only went up 21% | Aug 08 21:00 |
Diablo-D3 | my worst was a loss of 38%. | Aug 08 21:01 |
Diablo-D3 | and the market went up less than a percent | Aug 08 21:01 |
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Diablo-D3 | so at least Im skewed in the right direction | Aug 08 21:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Kmart Briefly Offers $149 Android Tablet http://bit.ly/c3ugkp why iPad will be niche: impulse, near-disposable Android tablets | Aug 08 21:03 | |
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DaemonFC | Ubuntu One is the fruit of the poisonous tree | Aug 08 21:03 |
schestowitz | No, that's you | Aug 08 21:04 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody unless Apple sues with #swpats , as usual | Aug 08 21:05 | |
Diablo-D3 | out of 3601 picks thus far, 1425 beat the market, 2176 didnt | Aug 08 21:05 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bill Gates: Forget university, web is the future for education - http://bit.ly/dAFVjI good to see Bill singing virtues of free stuff #ocw | Aug 08 21:06 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Diablo-D3>what online site do you think is best to buy sell with? | Aug 08 21:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | stocks | Aug 08 21:06 |
Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: probably sogotrade | Aug 08 21:06 |
Diablo-D3 | btw, statistics are hilarious | Aug 08 21:07 |
Diablo-D3 | 1425 out of 3601 beat the market, 2176 out of 3601 didnt... | Aug 08 21:07 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ex-Torrent Site Admin To Face ‘Copyright Crime’ Charges - http://bit.ly/9GOWMJ I find this sudden enthusiasm for copyright fishy #bulgaria | Aug 08 21:08 | |
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Diablo-D3 | but 1900 closed above zero, 1701 didnt | Aug 08 21:08 |
Diablo-D3 | so Im still "making money" | Aug 08 21:08 |
Diablo-D3 | and my average pick beats the market around 1%. | Aug 08 21:09 |
Diablo-D3 | so. | Aug 08 21:09 |
Diablo-D3 | blergh. | Aug 08 21:09 |
Diablo-D3 | and this is about as good as it gets. | Aug 08 21:09 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | well, maybe it beats playing poker, hehe | Aug 08 21:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | seldom can lose it all | Aug 08 21:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its interesting, I would like to try it actually | Aug 08 21:10 |
Diablo-D3 | well | Aug 08 21:11 |
Diablo-D3 | Im merely trying to prove the best method ever wrong | Aug 08 21:11 |
Diablo-D3 | and I cant. | Aug 08 21:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | best method: as in buy low sell high | Aug 08 21:12 |
Diablo-D3 | wrong | Aug 08 21:12 |
schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/08/despite-petition-uk-government-to-keep-ie6.ars | Aug 08 21:12 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | which is why ms stock interests you, its so low now | Aug 08 21:12 |
schestowitz | Ars caught this news late | Aug 08 21:12 |
Diablo-D3 | the best method: form a market cap weighted index, own the entire market, never sell. | Aug 08 21:13 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: what do you think, should DaemonFC be banned? | Aug 08 21:13 |
DaemonFC | I do | Aug 08 21:13 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it will inflat his self importance | Aug 08 21:13 |
schestowitz | You need to behave | Aug 08 21:13 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you need to remove the feedback loops | Aug 08 21:13 |
DaemonFC | DaemonFC is a menace and he must be silenced! | Aug 08 21:13 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: emotional payoff. juts like a toddler. | Aug 08 21:13 |
DaemonFC | once and for all! | Aug 08 21:13 |
schestowitz | we'll try ti keep it on topic | Aug 08 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | yes | Aug 08 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | that's a worthy objective. | Aug 08 21:14 |
schestowitz | But anyway, he upset jono for a while now | Aug 08 21:14 |
schestowitz | Not just today | Aug 08 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | and ThistleWeb | Aug 08 21:14 |
schestowitz | he does is very much on purpose | Aug 08 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | who's gone | Aug 08 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | and he's the only reason i don't autojoin | Aug 08 21:14 |
schestowitz | Maybe he's got a crush on jono, but he;s marries to Erica | Aug 08 21:14 |
DaemonFC | 7ono is a sad sad Panda | Aug 08 21:14 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: sorry I was AFK | Aug 08 21:14 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I vote no ban | Aug 08 21:15 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I vote for cutting off his emotional payoffs | Aug 08 21:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I too vote no ban | Aug 08 21:15 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: DaemonFC needs a boyfriend | Aug 08 21:15 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: So would I....he has his moments, but he's fun to talk to. | Aug 08 21:15 |
DaemonFC | I vote ban | Aug 08 21:15 |
schestowitz | His hormones make him need a pill | Aug 08 21:15 |
DaemonFC | kill even! | Aug 08 21:15 |
schestowitz | kill -p DaemonFC | Aug 08 21:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | a warning is in order a times, and if one fails repeated warnings, or if the outrage is too much, maybe kickbanned for the day? | Aug 08 21:16 |
FurnaceBoy | sure he's an embarrassment, like the retarded cousin, but he can hang around the barbecue | Aug 08 21:16 |
DaemonFC | no, kill my most distant ancestor | Aug 08 21:16 |
_Goblin | agree with chips there. | Aug 08 21:16 |
_Goblin | ban for a day | Aug 08 21:16 |
DaemonFC | that way you take out all the other idiots on the planet | Aug 08 21:16 |
FurnaceBoy | right a ban for a day--electric shock | Aug 08 21:17 |
_Goblin | if failing to observe warning. | Aug 08 21:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Too be fair to DaemonFC, Jono was not completely in line either. | Aug 08 21:17 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: huh? | Aug 08 21:17 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: DFC was acting like a poo-flinging 3 year old in a tantrum | Aug 08 21:17 |
DaemonFC | oh well | Aug 08 21:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I thought he got a bit nasty too with Daemon | Aug 08 21:17 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: added zero to teh debate. caused two people to leave, disgusted. | Aug 08 21:17 |
FurnaceBoy | are you kidding> he was very patient. | Aug 08 21:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | just my take on it | Aug 08 21:18 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: DFC added nothing useful | Aug 08 21:18 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: only subtracted | Aug 08 21:18 |
FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: as you see by the reactions of people present | Aug 08 21:18 |
DaemonFC | I'll have a Windows 7 burger with Bacon | Aug 08 21:18 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 08 21:18 |
schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsofts-revolving-small-business-door-revolves-again/7017 | Aug 08 21:18 |
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schestowitz | Another one quits | Aug 08 21:19 |
MinceR | civilization would be a good idea. >> 211904 < DaemonFC> if you're big on "civilization" | Aug 08 21:19 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: try to be a gentleman | Aug 08 21:21 |
schestowitz | People would also respect you this way, not treat you like a brat that you are | Aug 08 21:21 |
schestowitz | You used to be worse | Aug 08 21:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/7925912/Microsoft-teases-Twitter-with-tablet-rumours.html | Aug 08 21:21 |
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schestowitz | 'leaks' | Aug 08 21:21 |
schestowitz | Fake or not fake | Aug 08 21:21 |
schestowitz | Microsoft's, not breasts | Aug 08 21:21 |
FurnaceBoy | sigh | Aug 08 21:22 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Greenstone experiences in Latin America & Caribbean - http://bit.ly/bcljzV open source: "assembling electronic dox into digital collections" | Aug 08 21:22 | |
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schestowitz | They have tons of articles likle this | Aug 08 21:22 |
schestowitz | 'leaks' | Aug 08 21:22 |
schestowitz | Look... it's amysterious picture | Aug 08 21:22 |
schestowitz | For PR uses | Aug 08 21:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they are also leaking money | Aug 08 21:22 |
schestowitz | Micorsoft: "oh no..*fake grin* we leaks it by accident... AGAIN' | Aug 08 21:22 |
schestowitz | *leaked | Aug 08 21:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the black mouse box thingie? | Aug 08 21:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | leaked | Aug 08 21:23 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes | Aug 08 21:23 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yeah! | Aug 08 21:23 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's Da Costa's machine | Aug 08 21:23 |
schestowitz | Next to the Vista7 pad | Aug 08 21:23 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: premature ejaculation | Aug 08 21:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they have to leak it like it something great or nobody would talk about it, even the shills | Aug 08 21:23 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: a crop doesn't count | Aug 08 21:23 |
schestowitz | *drop | Aug 08 21:23 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Openbytes recommends: EN5Radio - www.en5radio.com A friend of mine is one of the DJ's (Johno) tune in! #radio #en5 #barnet #music | Aug 08 21:24 | |
schestowitz | KIN... | Aug 08 21:24 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they're impotent anyway | Aug 08 21:24 |
schestowitz | The ZUNE that couldn't "squrirt" | Aug 08 21:24 |
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schestowitz | http://www.zunesphere.com/2006/11/22/squirting-with-the-zune/ | Aug 08 21:26 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: I love that squirt.....an excellent example of nobody thinking what could be made of the word at Redmond | Aug 08 21:26 |
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_Goblin | schestowitz: a little like Bing | Aug 08 21:26 |
schestowitz | This guy's Zune squirts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Mi0Bw75GI | Aug 08 21:26 |
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schestowitz | [NSFW-ish] | Aug 08 21:27 |
_Goblin | "We need a word for our tech..." | Aug 08 21:27 |
_Goblin | "How about squirt?" | Aug 08 21:27 |
_Goblin | "Yeah, thats the one! nobody will draw any mockery from that!" | Aug 08 21:27 |
schestowitz | He squirts from the wrong hole | Aug 08 21:28 |
_Goblin | lol... | Aug 08 21:28 |
schestowitz | [see vid] | Aug 08 21:28 |
schestowitz | He drank Microsoft Kool-Aid | Aug 08 21:28 |
schestowitz | That's what came out of it | Aug 08 21:28 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Kool-Aid - runs through yur body like laxitives | Aug 08 21:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | toxic | Aug 08 21:29 |
schestowitz | Zune was crap | Aug 08 21:29 |
schestowitz | It'll be buried soon | Aug 08 21:29 |
schestowitz | KIN needs no ZuneOS | Aug 08 21:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | No, Zune was just marketed badly as in no marketing, lol. Thats what all the zune shill say. | Aug 08 21:30 |
schestowitz | Oh noes!! | Aug 08 21:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so the kin ZuneOS is being rolled into wp7 | Aug 08 21:31 |
*FurnaceBoy (~FurnaceBo@bas2-toronto10-2925113733.dsl.bell.ca) has left #boycottnovell ("YOU GUYS ARE ALL NUTS!!!!") | Aug 08 21:31 | |
schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/08/microsoft_exec_to_parallels_paris_on_paul_allens_yacht_etc.html | Aug 08 21:31 |
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_Goblin | that f'kin Windows 7 Mobile..... | Aug 08 21:33 |
_Goblin | no copy n paste | Aug 08 21:33 |
_Goblin | no private wifi access | Aug 08 21:33 |
_Goblin | no multitasking (user level) | Aug 08 21:33 |
_Goblin | no hope | Aug 08 21:33 |
schestowitz | http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2010/08/start-spreading-news-future-of-jimmy.html | Aug 08 21:33 |
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schestowitz | same with the phone | Aug 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | And KINect | Aug 08 21:34 |
Chips_B_Malroy | First Zune will die. Then WP7 will fail. Next Windows and Office will continue to lose market share as Android and ChromeOS come onboard. | Aug 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | They can't do hardware | Aug 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | They should just get something and rebrand | Aug 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | They tried with Danger and killed it | Aug 08 21:34 |
Chips_B_Malroy | NP, there is ARM | Aug 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | The Microsoff logo is the logo of doom for a product | Aug 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: ARM->vapour for Microsoft | Aug 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | "look, we're doing something" | Aug 08 21:34 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Gosh, what a loud noise the washing machine made as it blew multiple fuses! Launderette for us for a while ... | Aug 08 21:35 | |
schestowitz | New Chips, Chips_B_Malroy | Aug 08 21:35 |
schestowitz | Microsoft has no ARM and no legs left | Aug 08 21:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The MS logo is in itself not respected by many people. Putting that logo on anything other than desktop windows, is a problem for MS | Aug 08 21:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | we can thank xbox360 for that | Aug 08 21:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | schestowitz> They can't do hardware" For one I am not impressed with their software either. | Aug 08 21:37 |
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schestowitz | Hi, ThistleWeb | Aug 08 21:39 |
DaemonFC | Netscape 6 should be the default browser on UNR | Aug 08 21:39 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 08 21:39 |
schestowitz | Would you prefer it is DaemonFC was banned | Aug 08 21:39 |
ThistleWeb | just back in for a minute to let you know about my latest blog post and give you a chance to read and respond | Aug 08 21:39 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | The Techrights IRC Channel On Freenode http://bit.ly/cU1EjY | Aug 08 21:40 | |
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ThistleWeb | there it is | Aug 08 21:40 |
schestowitz | Let me read | Aug 08 21:40 |
ThistleWeb | wasn't sure if you'd removed my twitter account or not, so I came in here to manually post it just in case | Aug 08 21:40 |
schestowitz | Just read it | Aug 08 21:44 |
schestowitz | I told jono we are condering banning DaemonFC permanently | Aug 08 21:44 |
schestowitz | *considering | Aug 08 21:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ThisleWeb> I think you should reconsider, and decide after a few days, not right away. | Aug 08 21:44 |
ThistleWeb | Chips_B_Malroy: reconsider what? | Aug 08 21:45 |
schestowitz | I did tell ryan to sod off | Aug 08 21:45 |
ThistleWeb | it's not my decision | Aug 08 21:45 |
schestowitz | He was pissing me off while I was trying to talk to jono | Aug 08 21:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | leaving of course | Aug 08 21:45 |
schestowitz | it's ryan's only way of getting people to talk to him.., to annoy yhem | Aug 08 21:45 |
schestowitz | *them | Aug 08 21:45 |
_Goblin | I can understand the points, I had an experience here with another user (no Daemonfc)...having said that in my case, that person is gone so I returned... | Aug 08 21:45 |
ThistleWeb | tonight was just an obvious example that just pushed my buttons | Aug 08 21:45 |
schestowitz | Even his shrinks gave up on him | Aug 08 21:45 |
schestowitz | I remember when we banned him | Aug 08 21:45 |
schestowitz | Then felt bad about his loneliness | Aug 08 21:46 |
ThistleWeb | at times like that you rely on the channel ops to enforce civil behaviour | Aug 08 21:46 |
ThistleWeb | regular users can't enforce anything | Aug 08 21:46 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: banning can be uncivil too | Aug 08 21:46 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: they can vote | Aug 08 21:46 |
schestowitz | That's why he was banned before | Aug 08 21:46 |
ThistleWeb | when the ops turn a blind eye, you have a choice...either stay and put up with it, or leave | Aug 08 21:46 |
schestowitz | Too many complaints in PMs | Aug 08 21:46 |
schestowitz | Or PM a complaint | Aug 08 21:47 |
_Goblin | how about Roy, you consider handing over channel ops permanently to someone else(Independant) then you can't be held to account with what happens or who comes here.... | Aug 08 21:47 |
_Goblin | and they can make the banning decisions. | Aug 08 21:47 |
schestowitz | Sure.. | Aug 08 21:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | there has to be an orderly method if enforcing is done. First a warning, and then maybe another, depending on how serious the offence is. And then kicked for the day. Followed by same, and then kicked longer. | Aug 08 21:47 |
_Goblin | maybe the person who is most active here.... | Aug 08 21:48 |
ThistleWeb | I had no intention of doing a blog post tonight, let alone a long one, I was trying to figure out stuff on my first Drupal theme | Aug 08 21:48 |
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Aug 08 21:48 | |
ThistleWeb | that's been derailed for the last couple of hours | Aug 08 21:48 |
ThistleWeb | yes I know, my actions, my responsibility | Aug 08 21:48 |
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to _Goblin ThistleWeb | Aug 08 21:48 | |
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Aug 08 21:48 | |
_Goblin | nooo! | Aug 08 21:49 |
_Goblin | I didn't mean me! | Aug 08 21:49 |
_Goblin | lol... | Aug 08 21:49 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | You can police the channel | Aug 08 21:49 |
_Goblin | I don't want that sort of grief! | Aug 08 21:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | hehe | Aug 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | Now you have the burden | Aug 08 21:49 |
*DaemonFC (~ryan@adsl-99-33-232-85.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) has left #boycottnovell ("Leaving") | Aug 08 21:49 | |
ThistleWeb | I get why the open door policy | Aug 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | Now I feel bad... | Aug 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | I can imagine him sobbing inside with his cat | Aug 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | He has no friends | Aug 08 21:49 |
ThistleWeb | tough | Aug 08 21:50 |
_Goblin | seriously....I shouldnt have Ops....I vote chips should get my op. | Aug 08 21:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | noooo | Aug 08 21:50 |
ThistleWeb | with behaviour like that he dosent deserve any | Aug 08 21:50 |
_Goblin | how about furnace boy? | Aug 08 21:50 |
ThistleWeb | the only person anyone can be responsible for is themselves | Aug 08 21:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I am not here that much | Aug 08 21:50 |
_Goblin | or marti | Aug 08 21:50 |
_Goblin | or anyone | Aug 08 21:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | no, Goblin is a good choice | Aug 08 21:51 |
_Goblin | .... | Aug 08 21:51 |
_Goblin | can I go off topic a second and tell people my problem.... | Aug 08 21:51 |
_Goblin | ? | Aug 08 21:51 |
ThistleWeb | lol, make Ryan an op, give him some sense of duty and responsibility, it'll either destroy your cause or make a man out of him | Aug 08 21:51 |
ThistleWeb | I suspect the former | Aug 08 21:51 |
_Goblin | My mouse is jumping...... | Aug 08 21:51 |
_Goblin | Can't work out the problem (must be hardware) | Aug 08 21:52 |
_Goblin | why... | Aug 08 21:52 |
_Goblin | because Ive booted 3 liveCD's and its doing the same thing. | Aug 08 21:52 |
ThistleWeb | mine sometimes does that, it moves about a cm away from where the pointer was | Aug 08 21:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | time for a new mouse? | Aug 08 21:52 |
_Goblin | tried another mouse already | Aug 08 21:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | what kind of mouse? | Aug 08 21:52 |
_Goblin | same | Aug 08 21:52 |
ThistleWeb | usb? | Aug 08 21:53 |
_Goblin | yep | Aug 08 21:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | my trackpad does that on the laptop | Aug 08 21:53 |
_Goblin | and a standard | Aug 08 21:53 |
_Goblin | no trackpad... | Aug 08 21:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *touchpad | Aug 08 21:53 |
ThistleWeb | I found USB mice tend to be a little slow to get the message that "oh right I'm being moved, better move the pointer" | Aug 08 21:53 |
_Goblin | Its only just started doing it....I am thinking its a hardware fault | Aug 08 21:53 |
ThistleWeb | but after they get that initial signal they're responsive enough | Aug 08 21:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | on my thinkpad laptop that has both a touchpad and a trackpoint, the touchpad does that, but the trackpoint works correctly | Aug 08 21:54 |
_Goblin | Im having to use keys. | Aug 08 21:54 |
schestowitz | http://gizmodo.com/5603596/what-is-microsofts-mysterious-black-nub | Aug 08 21:54 |
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schestowitz | "Mysterious Black Nub" | Aug 08 21:54 |
schestowitz | It's PR | Aug 08 21:54 |
schestowitz | That's what it is | Aug 08 21:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | no, its another failed MS project | Aug 08 21:56 |
schestowitz | Maybe | Aug 08 21:56 |
schestowitz | They also did KIN 'leaks' | Aug 08 21:56 |
schestowitz | IIRC | Aug 08 21:56 |
schestowitz | Everything is a leak now | Aug 08 21:56 |
schestowitz | Like Apple's | Aug 08 21:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its a leaking boat for sure | Aug 08 21:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or sinking | Aug 08 21:57 |
schestowitz | With Apple they have a ceremonial introduction by Bishop Jobs | Aug 08 21:57 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: not sinking yet | Aug 08 21:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | zune to sink | Aug 08 21:57 |
schestowitz | You need to put it in water first | Aug 08 21:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *soon | Aug 08 21:57 |
schestowitz | zune also stink | Aug 08 21:57 |
schestowitz | see video of Zune Paint man | Aug 08 21:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 08 21:57 |
schestowitz | It's artistic | Aug 08 21:58 |
schestowitz | Like they took a supine Microsoft CEO and had him render a Zune | Aug 08 21:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ballmer's zune fountain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioOc_5FPdaM | Aug 08 21:59 |
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schestowitz | I feel bad about ryan, still | Aug 08 21:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, he do go too far, but an agruement usually needs two sides. | Aug 08 22:00 |
ThistleWeb | what? I'm an op? | Aug 08 22:00 |
schestowitz | I thought it would be a rebranded Zune Paint video | Aug 08 22:00 |
ThistleWeb | I dunno any irc op commands | Aug 08 22:00 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, I can't take the burden | Aug 08 22:00 |
schestowitz | Of having to take guidance on what to do | Aug 08 22:00 |
ThistleWeb | I can learn I guess | Aug 08 22:00 |
schestowitz | Ryan might kill someone now... | Aug 08 22:01 |
schestowitz | I don't know, he's crazy | Aug 08 22:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | go easy on DeamonFC, thistleWeb. Give him warnings first, maybe he can get better still. | Aug 08 22:01 |
schestowitz | He softens when he's having time in the penalty box | Aug 08 22:02 |
ThistleWeb | ah, so we're onto the "make light of it" phase | Aug 08 22:02 |
ThistleWeb | gotcha | Aug 08 22:02 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: he lives in Indiana next to ex-cons | Aug 08 22:02 |
schestowitz | They don't like gays | Aug 08 22:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | His being gay has nothing to do with it. This is IRC, its only about talking | Aug 08 22:03 |
schestowitz | I think he views this channel as a sort of second family cause his INternet is the escape after he had lost his job and went mental on his state govt. | Aug 08 22:03 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: the point is, I think he likes the people here | Aug 08 22:04 |
ThistleWeb | if he values it you;d think he wouldn't do anyhting which might jepardise it | Aug 08 22:04 |
schestowitz | He posts photos and puts his mugs and videos here... starts talking to us live for hours | Aug 08 22:04 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: but he has bad days | Aug 08 22:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | he has problems by his own account and has to take meds for it, which is why I lightned up on him. If you remember I was very much for banning him perminently the first time. | Aug 08 22:05 |
ThistleWeb | so does everyone | Aug 08 22:05 |
schestowitz | Cause he feels like he can do anything he likes | Aug 08 22:05 |
_Goblin | My opinion.... | Aug 08 22:05 |
_Goblin | he's an attention seeker.. | Aug 08 22:05 |
schestowitz | He has been here for almost 2 years on and off | Aug 08 22:05 |
ThistleWeb | you not forcing him to behave means he CAN do what he pleases | Aug 08 22:05 |
schestowitz | He was always the 'bad kid' | Aug 08 22:05 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: exactly | Aug 08 22:06 |
ThistleWeb | bottom line, you do what you want in regards to Ryan and take the consequences on your reputation | Aug 08 22:06 |
_Goblin | I think he posts out of bordom too.. | Aug 08 22:06 |
schestowitz | He locks himself up in his room cause the neighbours are dangerous, so he has cravings for attention and he provokes to get that | Aug 08 22:07 |
ThistleWeb | just because the guy is lonely and needs meds doesn't mean we should have to put up with him being an asshole at every turn | Aug 08 22:07 |
ThistleWeb | he's a fucking Windows user too | Aug 08 22:07 |
tessier_ | Indiana...*shudder* | Aug 08 22:07 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it can be seen as condoning if I encouraged that, but I don't. It's more to do with me not banning for like a whole year | Aug 08 22:08 |
schestowitz | tessier_: your family is there | Aug 08 22:08 |
tessier_ | Indeed. | Aug 08 22:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb> you not forcing him to behave means he CAN do what he pleases" You being the system op now means you can make those decisions. DaemonFC has his bad days, but a warning or warnings, depending on how bad he breaks the rules, would be a good sign of fairness from you. Rules should be enforced on a uniform basis, do you agree? | Aug 08 22:08 |
ThistleWeb | by your half hearted "rebukes" you ARE encouraging him | Aug 08 22:08 |
schestowitz | Next time he'll not get away with it | Aug 08 22:09 |
ThistleWeb | Chips_B_Malroy: I am all in favour of balance, uniformity etc the same rules apply to everyone | Aug 08 22:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I thought so, actually | Aug 08 22:09 |
ThistleWeb | the question becomes "how many warnings" | Aug 08 22:09 |
ThistleWeb | is every one a final one? | Aug 08 22:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so that will actually make it harder for you to ban someone who should be banned, same way as Roy does not do so too. | Aug 08 22:10 |
schestowitz | we have no IRC policy | Aug 08 22:10 |
schestowitz | We only have comment policy | Aug 08 22:10 |
schestowitz | Maybe someone wants to type it up in the wiki? | Aug 08 22:10 |
ThistleWeb | he seems to fall back to this kinda shit over and over and over and over again | Aug 08 22:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | how many, thats up the the system op, isn't it? | Aug 08 22:10 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 08 22:10 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im really loving Sabayon 5.3 ... so simple, so fast.... | Aug 08 22:11 | |
schestowitz | LEt me set up a wiki page | Aug 08 22:11 |
ThistleWeb | for me, he's had way too many chances | Aug 08 22:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but he needs to be warned on what is exceptable and what is not. | Aug 08 22:11 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Commenting_Policy | Aug 08 22:11 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | and what will happen if he keeps it up | Aug 08 22:12 |
ThistleWeb | indeed, but I;'m guessing it won't matter | Aug 08 22:12 |
schestowitz | Edit away: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IRC_Policy | Aug 08 22:12 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | a system op is a lot like a moderator on a linux forum | Aug 08 22:12 |
schestowitz | One sentence might do | Aug 08 22:12 |
ThistleWeb | he's gotten away with it for a couple of yrs, everytime it blows up he just waits it out knowing nothing is gonna happen | Aug 08 22:12 |
ThistleWeb | then it's back to the same old shit, business as usual | Aug 08 22:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | how about come back on probation, less warnings when back | Aug 08 22:13 |
ThistleWeb | less? | Aug 08 22:13 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking at all the distro's Ive tried, probably the one that sticks in my mind most is Ubuntu 8.04LTS, its still running on one of my rigs! | Aug 08 22:14 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | less as in one, once kickbanned for a short probation period? | Aug 08 22:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | for same offence | Aug 08 22:14 |
_Goblin | I think if its agreed he's toxic, then there should be no more chances since it will just cause trouble again...if people do wish to let him back here then I think there must be a clear understanding he'll be banned without warning next time...IMO. | Aug 08 22:14 |
ThistleWeb | I get the whole "pity fuck" ellement to this | Aug 08 22:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | See Ryan left as soon as you became system op, as he knew you would ban him | Aug 08 22:15 |
ThistleWeb | I don't know any op commands | Aug 08 22:15 |
ThistleWeb | I'd need to learn | Aug 08 22:15 |
ThistleWeb | I didn't bring this up to become an op | Aug 08 22:15 |
_Goblin | I didn't even want the responsibility. | Aug 08 22:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> he was not banned today, I think Ryan just left, not kicked | Aug 08 22:16 |
_Goblin | ah | Aug 08 22:16 |
ThistleWeb | I do think it's wise for schestowitz to give the ops to a third party though | Aug 08 22:16 |
_Goblin | agreed... | Aug 08 22:16 |
_Goblin | just not me. | Aug 08 22:16 |
ThistleWeb | dito lol | Aug 08 22:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, I don't envy you guys as system ops, hehe, its a tuff job to be fair | Aug 08 22:17 |
ThistleWeb | I only noticed something changed when I saw a green dot next to my name | Aug 08 22:17 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it's cause only Brtis have ops :-p | Aug 08 22:17 |
schestowitz | Seriously though, it's cause you're offline most of the time | Aug 08 22:17 |
_Goblin | heres an idea.... | Aug 08 22:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, and you and I know I would not be a good choice either. I would have to overcompensate for my desire to ban MS shills right away, thereby leaving them on longer. | Aug 08 22:18 |
_Goblin | what about a modification to the techrights bot? We could have it so any user could request another to be banned and then other users could vote yes or no....after a certain amount the person gets banned.... | Aug 08 22:19 |
ThistleWeb | I dunno how to check for nymshifts etc | Aug 08 22:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb, will have to leave ryan on longer to show he is fair as well, which is probably what Roy did too at first | Aug 08 22:19 |
MinceR | actually there's no limit to the number of users that can be opped at any given time | Aug 08 22:20 |
_Goblin | ah | Aug 08 22:20 |
_Goblin | Mincer.... | Aug 08 22:20 |
_Goblin | you can be OP... | Aug 08 22:20 |
_Goblin | you are a good choice. | Aug 08 22:20 |
_Goblin | you can have mine. | Aug 08 22:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | voting dosen't work, if enough linsux people got in here they could vote us out | Aug 08 22:20 |
_Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: true...good idea on paper though. | Aug 08 22:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 08 22:21 |
MinceR | i'll leave the choice to Roy. | Aug 08 22:21 |
ThistleWeb | voting would work if the ban isnt triggered, but forwarded to an op to decide on | Aug 08 22:21 |
MinceR | but i think having a couple regular ops would be a good idea. | Aug 08 22:22 |
MinceR | because often no op is around when a kiddie comes to flood | Aug 08 22:22 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: add MinceR | Aug 08 22:22 |
schestowitz | He's tough... like STALIN | Aug 08 22:22 |
schestowitz | :-p | Aug 08 22:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR would be a good one too | Aug 08 22:22 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 08 22:23 |
ThistleWeb | he build his very own goulag as a DIY project at the weekend | Aug 08 22:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | thankfully I am in the USA | Aug 08 22:23 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 08 22:23 |
*Judas_PhD has quit (Quit: Aaarrrggghhh!!!) | Aug 08 22:23 | |
schestowitz | They'll call it Microsoft MVP club | Aug 08 22:23 |
schestowitz | Evangelism liberates | Aug 08 22:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/10-Things-Microsoft-did-right-during-fiscal-2010/1281044221 | Aug 08 22:24 |
TechrightsBot | Title: 10 Things Microsoft did right during fiscal 2010 | Betanews .::. Size~: 75.35 KB | Aug 08 22:24 |
schestowitz | y Joe Wilcox | Aug 08 22:25 |
schestowitz | Not quite a Microsoft basher yet | Aug 08 22:25 |
*_Goblin gives channel operator status to MinceR | Aug 08 22:25 | |
schestowitz | he just feeds his trolls | Aug 08 22:25 |
schestowitz | "(Unofficially) fired J Allard and Robbie Bach." - Joe Wilcox | | Aug 08 22:25 |
schestowitz | Wilcox writes very little | Aug 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | Maybe twice a week | Aug 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox | Aug 08 22:26 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Joe Wilcox | Betanews .::. Size~: 64.76 KB | Aug 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | He probably has another job | Aug 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | He has a young daughter to look after | Aug 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Nick took his place and turned the place into a ghost town | Aug 08 22:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Bach was supposed to be close personal (crony) friends of Ballmer, which might be the reason he was not fired for the over one billion poured into warrenty replacements of failed xbox360's. | Aug 08 22:27 |
schestowitz | Even Da Costa gave up on Microsoft-Watch | Aug 08 22:27 |
schestowitz | Yeah, I thought Bach was CEO candidate | Aug 08 22:27 |
schestowitz | He was president, not VP or SVP | Aug 08 22:27 |
schestowitz | WHat a socker | Aug 08 22:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Costa still posts on wilcox site sometimes as adacosta | Aug 08 22:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/03/former-microsoft-vp-brings-halo-to-the-atari-2600/ | Aug 08 22:28 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Former Microsoft VP brings Halo to the Atari 2600 -- Engadget .::. Size~: 212.43 KB | Aug 08 22:28 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: not lucy? | Aug 08 22:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | lol | Aug 08 22:28 |
schestowitz | Remember Wong? | Aug 08 22:28 |
schestowitz | Watch his image in Twitter | Aug 08 22:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 08 22:29 |
schestowitz | It's like drag | Aug 08 22:29 |
schestowitz | With a wig | Aug 08 22:29 |
schestowitz | He's a Microsoft TE | Aug 08 22:29 |
schestowitz | The one who spammed against me some smears | Aug 08 22:29 |
schestowitz | If you go to his blog | Aug 08 22:29 |
schestowitz | You'll see his smear of me is still one of his most 'popular' posts ever | Aug 08 22:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I read it a long time ago, his blog | Aug 08 22:29 |
schestowitz | The one where he compares me to Unabomber | Aug 08 22:29 |
schestowitz | On Microsoft's payroll! | Aug 08 22:30 |
_Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: have you seen da costa's recent post on CNET....its rather...bizarre | Aug 08 22:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | no | Aug 08 22:30 |
schestowitz | "Stay away from this man.... he's dangerous and irrational..." | Aug 08 22:30 |
_Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: I think he's loosing it... | Aug 08 22:30 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: he's Ina's sidekick now | Aug 08 22:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | he has already lost it | Aug 08 22:30 |
_Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: Roy linked it to me I think. | Aug 08 22:30 |
schestowitz | Microsoft should send him 500 KINs | Aug 08 22:30 |
schestowitz | He'll share with the family | Aug 08 22:30 |
schestowitz | They have spares now anyway | Aug 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | Verizon shipped back to Microsoft | Aug 08 22:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | do you think ms has that many Kin's to spare? | Aug 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | It could sell them even at clearance level | Aug 08 22:31 |
_Goblin | 503 is the rumour I heard (in terms of sales) | Aug 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 08 22:31 |
_Goblin | and that would include all the gifted ones. | Aug 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | Source is good | Aug 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | Gruber | Aug 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | He's close to Apple though | Aug 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | 'Daring Man' | Aug 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: you mean the ones they sent ZD for review? | Aug 08 22:32 |
schestowitz | All the reviews were quite bad | Aug 08 22:32 |
schestowitz | Vista Phone 7 already sells well | Aug 08 22:32 |
schestowitz | 100,000 units almost | Aug 08 22:32 |
_Goblin | Although according to the Microsoft faithful and let me quote here: | Aug 08 22:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they probably counted the ones sent to ZD as part of the 503 | Aug 08 22:32 |
schestowitz | 85k Microsoft employees | Aug 08 22:32 |
schestowitz | They were forced to 'buy' one | Aug 08 22:32 |
_Goblin | "The kin is the greatest social networking phone ever made" | Aug 08 22:32 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] UK washer-dryer recommendations please! Brands etc? (Unimpressed w Hotpoint group.) | Aug 08 22:33 | |
_Goblin | that was about a week before it died. | Aug 08 22:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The Kin is loved | Aug 08 22:33 |
_Goblin | Its a shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see the Kin | Aug 08 22:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 08 22:33 |
schestowitz | Even its campaign managers did not use it | Aug 08 22:33 |
schestowitz | One is reportedly to have use BlackBerrt | Aug 08 22:33 |
schestowitz | *ry | Aug 08 22:33 |
schestowitz | *reported to | Aug 08 22:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | if only MS had spent more money promoting the KIn and the Zune, it would have sold | Aug 08 22:34 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: they could keep MJ on CPR for a couple to see if live and due | Aug 08 22:34 |
schestowitz | *die | Aug 08 22:34 |
_Goblin | lol... | Aug 08 22:34 |
_Goblin | its a shame the Kin didn't live to see ballmer getting the sack. | Aug 08 22:34 |
MinceR | _Goblin: thx | Aug 08 22:35 |
_Goblin | thx? you are welcome...I don't want the grief! | Aug 08 22:35 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] O rly: comet.co.uk pushes magnetic anti-limescale devices, i.e. blatant fraud. And pre-add them to your order. ASA/OFT complaint time! | Aug 08 22:36 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | One should not feel sorry for Ballmer's impending job status, as he has 16 billion dollars. Seeing the feel sorry for Ballmer idea in many blog post is sickning | Aug 08 22:36 |
schestowitz | IS this OK? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IRC_Policy | Aug 08 22:38 |
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schestowitz | ThistleWeb: ^^ | Aug 08 22:38 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: the sack if too small | Aug 08 22:38 |
schestowitz | Ballmer will get the chair | Aug 08 22:39 |
schestowitz | /if/is/ | Aug 08 22:39 |
_Goblin | lol... | Aug 08 22:39 |
_Goblin | I thought it was redmond policy now to bolt all of the chairs down...to prevent any unfortunate incidents. | Aug 08 22:40 |
schestowitz | No | Aug 08 22:40 |
schestowitz | Just in one office | Aug 08 22:40 |
_Goblin | what about conference room? | Aug 08 22:40 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVMy0PFr8no | Aug 08 22:40 |
TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Steve Ballmer I'm a PC Microsoft AD,‎ .::. Size~: 93.02 KB | Aug 08 22:40 |
schestowitz | Freaky guys | Aug 08 22:40 |
schestowitz | Need a leash | Aug 08 22:40 |
_Goblin | then you have the Ballmer Iphone Police that scour the campus | Aug 08 22:40 |
schestowitz | He's trying to redo the monkey boy thing to mitigate the PR damage | Aug 08 22:40 |
schestowitz | To try to treat it like it was a joke | Aug 08 22:41 |
schestowitz | "and I love this company" | Aug 08 22:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8M6S8EKbnU&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Aug 08 22:41 |
TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *The best of Steve Ballmer,‎ .::. Size~: 120.6 KB | Aug 08 22:41 |
_Goblin | he's a little late.... | Aug 08 22:41 |
_Goblin | that man should be banned from wearing dark blue shirts | Aug 08 22:41 |
_Goblin | or given anti-perspirant...one of the two | Aug 08 22:41 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: seems fine, how many warnings has Ryan had? | Aug 08 22:42 |
schestowitz | We never did a warning system | Aug 08 22:42 |
ThistleWeb | the point being, is he starting fresh at 0 from now? | Aug 08 22:42 |
schestowitz | Never employed anyway, it was more about how many PMs I got | Aug 08 22:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I would guess that is 3 warnings on the same day? | Aug 08 22:42 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3 used to curse a lot | Aug 08 22:42 |
schestowitz | Now less | Aug 08 22:42 |
schestowitz | Cursing looks bad | Aug 08 22:43 |
schestowitz | Unless it's in a humours context | Aug 08 22:43 |
schestowitz | Like "this is some funny s**t" | Aug 08 22:43 |
ThistleWeb | context is key | Aug 08 22:44 |
schestowitz | Groklaw has special code for geeklog | Aug 08 22:44 |
schestowitz | WHen you post it automatically warps curse words to something else | Aug 08 22:44 |
schestowitz | IRC doesn't have that | Aug 08 22:44 |
schestowitz | TechrightsBot has the function to kick when someone says an insult, but we disabled it | Aug 08 22:44 |
schestowitz | It used to kick ryan automatically a lot a year ago | Aug 08 22:45 |
schestowitz | He kept getting thrown out by the bot for the language | Aug 08 22:45 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Out and about, get the car fixed, fix bathroom bits, and then buy recording supplies. Currently at the concerningly titled 'Jiffy Lube'. | Aug 08 22:46 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] After some bad experiences in IRC today we now have an IRC policy (draft) http://ur1.ca/11ah2 @jonobacon will be happy(ier) | Aug 08 22:47 | |
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*FurnaceBoy (~FurnaceBo@bas2-toronto10-2925113733.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | Aug 08 22:51 | |
schestowitz | http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2010/0803/What-s-wrong-with-Firefox | Aug 08 22:51 |
TechrightsBot | Title: What's wrong with Firefox? - CSMonitor.com .::. Size~: 55.01 KB | Aug 08 22:51 |
schestowitz | "leave firefox aaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllLONE!!" | Aug 08 22:51 |
_Goblin | I would have stayed with Firefox if I hadn't got Chromium... | Aug 08 22:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] This PSA for wearing seatbelts struck me as a beautiful analogy to mental health. http://youtu.be/h-8PBx7isoM #mhsm via @quadricode | Aug 08 22:52 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz good work, I am sure it will help maintain a more productive atmosphere in the channel. | Aug 08 22:52 | |
TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Embrace Life - always wear your seat belt,‎ .::. Size~: 94.94 KB | Aug 08 22:52 |
_Goblin | although the plug library of ff was not the draw for me. | Aug 08 22:52 |
schestowitz | http://www.dailytech.com/Hackers+Target+Power+Plants+and+Physical+Systems/article19257.htm "As the most popular operating system in use around the globe, Microsoft Windows is also the most targeted OS for cyber criminals looking to steal data and exploit systems. " | Aug 08 22:52 |
TechrightsBot | Title: DailyTech - Hackers Target Power Plants and Physical Systems .::. Size~: 191.68 KB | Aug 08 22:52 |
schestowitz | Not true | Aug 08 22:52 |
schestowitz | Not popular, ubiquitous | Aug 08 22:52 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's RT'able | Aug 08 22:52 |
schestowitz | And they could try to exploit connected devices or phones | Aug 08 22:52 |
schestowitz | But they don't, it's hard | Aug 08 22:52 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: only WP7 ones :D | Aug 08 22:52 |
*FurnaceBoy ducks | Aug 08 22:53 | |
schestowitz | What's retweetable? | Aug 08 22:53 |
schestowitz | Didn't Nader do lots of work on seatbelts&safety? | Aug 08 22:53 |
schestowitz | My old aunt knew him by name | Aug 08 22:53 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes, Nader did. | Aug 08 22:54 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's famous for his book, "Unsafe at any Speed." | Aug 08 22:54 |
schestowitz | ... came up when she discussed the type of things I was doing | Aug 08 22:54 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: exposing very much the same corporate practices we see today, but in Detroit | Aug 08 22:54 |
schestowitz | I plan to carry on | Aug 08 22:54 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: where the carmakers were knowingly building deathtraps | Aug 08 22:54 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: issue is, for people like Nader it's impossible to get campaign funding | Aug 08 22:54 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: however, like all activists, he has been smeared almost to death | Aug 08 22:54 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes | Aug 08 22:55 |
schestowitz | He's not electable to those who have power to groom | Aug 08 22:55 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's why I said he was one of the heroes | Aug 08 22:55 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes, Moore too | Aug 08 22:55 |
schestowitz | The "communist" "radical" | Aug 08 22:55 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i am sure they tried to assassinate Nader... | Aug 08 22:55 |
schestowitz | At least with me a lot of the ridicule is pure libel | Aug 08 22:55 |
*FurnaceBoy oughta google that | Aug 08 22:55 | |
schestowitz | like claiming I'm gay or something | Aug 08 22:55 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: "obama marxist" | Aug 08 22:56 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if you were gay, it would totally invalidate all of your ideas, of course. | Aug 08 22:56 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: logically | Aug 08 22:56 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: inescapably | Aug 08 22:56 |
schestowitz | "Look, pa... it's sex right there on the internets Obama is a commie" | Aug 08 22:56 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes | Aug 08 22:56 |
schestowitz | From Kenya! | Aug 08 22:56 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "Teach the controversy" | Aug 08 22:56 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: aka Noise machine, distract, divide, conquer | Aug 08 22:56 |
FurnaceBoy | FOX. | Aug 08 22:57 |
schestowitz | Beck | Aug 08 22:57 |
FurnaceBoy | it's Murdoch's job. | Aug 08 22:57 |
FurnaceBoy | they all have a job. | Aug 08 22:57 |
schestowitz | Your hero!!! | Aug 08 22:57 |
FurnaceBoy | you ever notice that Gates never talks about war. | Aug 08 22:57 |
schestowitz | Murdoch is a king | Aug 08 22:57 |
schestowitz | Defending Western dominance with just a quill | Aug 08 22:57 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's a functionary who thinks he is a king | Aug 08 22:57 |
schestowitz | he promotes hypepads now | Aug 08 22:57 |
schestowitz | Scarcity in content | Aug 08 22:58 |
schestowitz | I suppose you saw | Aug 08 22:58 |
schestowitz | It was everywhere | Aug 08 22:58 |
schestowitz | Cause, well... he controls the press | Aug 08 22:58 |
schestowitz | So he can decide what product is blessed and endorsed | Aug 08 22:58 |
*oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Aug 08 22:58 | |
schestowitz | Let's see if a Foxer keeps him job after giving bad hypepad reviews | Aug 08 22:58 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not just product :) | Aug 08 22:58 |
schestowitz | Murdoch appoints minions who are like-minded | Aug 08 22:59 |
FurnaceBoy | innovation | Aug 08 22:59 |
schestowitz | That too | Aug 08 22:59 |
schestowitz | USPTO | Aug 08 22:59 |
FurnaceBoy | gotta keep the wheels of American innovation turning | Aug 08 22:59 |
schestowitz | The centre of US dominance | Aug 08 22:59 |
FurnaceBoy | reward innovation | Aug 08 22:59 |
schestowitz | WTO | Aug 08 22:59 |
schestowitz | And WIPO | Aug 08 22:59 |
schestowitz | Its extensions | Aug 08 22:59 |
schestowitz | Like the WB and IMF | Aug 08 22:59 |
FurnaceBoy | holy heck Gates earned every brass penny of tht fortune, and now he wants to GIVE it away! | Aug 08 22:59 |
schestowitz | The arms that can have power overseas | Aug 08 22:59 |
FurnaceBoy | aren't we ungrateful | Aug 08 22:59 |
schestowitz | And it's not USWTO, USWIPO, EUWIPO, USB, and USMF either | Aug 08 23:00 |
schestowitz | So it seems more official | Aug 08 23:00 |
schestowitz | Canada is in it too BTW | Aug 08 23:00 |
FurnaceBoy | yus | Aug 08 23:00 |
schestowitz | US is an easy scapegoat | Aug 08 23:00 |
*FurnaceBoy sighs | Aug 08 23:00 | |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I was encouraged to see some tweets point to techrights->gates | Aug 08 23:00 |
schestowitz | People show their friends what Gates is really about | Aug 08 23:01 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 08 23:01 |
schestowitz | My family asked me too | Aug 08 23:01 |
schestowitz | I have quick references to most angles and spins | Aug 08 23:01 |
schestowitz | Polio, school reform, etc. | Aug 08 23:01 |
schestowitz | Today I found a new blog similar to mine | Aug 08 23:01 |
schestowitz | https://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com | Aug 08 23:01 |
schestowitz | You probably wanna subscribe | Aug 08 23:02 |
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schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-francis/amazon-the-latter-day-rob_b_670185.html | Aug 08 23:02 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Diane Francis: Amazon, the Latter-Day Robber Baron .::. Size~: 141.1 KB | Aug 08 23:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Lucers ppl can't protest..in Canada wo getting arrested these days //it's deliberate intimidation. Harper needs quiet compliant citizens | Aug 08 23:04 | |
schestowitz | http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada/Remember+Internet+never+forgets/3358955/story.html | Aug 08 23:04 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Remember — the Internet never forgets .::. Size~: 106.83 KB | Aug 08 23:04 |
schestowitz | "A recent survey by Microsoft, for instance, finds fully three-quarters of American recruiters and human resources professionals perform online searches into the activities of potential employees." | Aug 08 23:04 |
schestowitz | And Microsoft helps them | Aug 08 23:04 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: importent! | Aug 08 23:04 |
schestowitz | I have news about HarperGates | Aug 08 23:04 |
schestowitz | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/harper-aglukkaq-singled-out-for-stinging-rebuke-at-aids-conference/article1649688/ | Aug 08 23:05 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Harper, Aglukkaq singled out for stinging rebuke at AIDS conference - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 78.91 KB | Aug 08 23:05 |
schestowitz | Moneyshot: "Critics who were in Vienna said the Gates Foundation was surprised to find that a large chunk of the new funding would go to the maternal-health initiative. But a representative of the foundation told The Globe it is very happy with its relationship with the Canadian government. " | Aug 08 23:05 |
schestowitz | fyi, harper was told by Gates to lobby other leaders in g20 | Aug 08 23:05 |
schestowitz | gates gave him instructions, so to speak | Aug 08 23:05 |
schestowitz | Maybe he'll get some kickbacks when he's a retired PM | Aug 08 23:06 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Fucking magnets! How do they work? http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/541213.html | Aug 08 23:06 | |
TechrightsBot | Title: reddragdiva | Fucking magnets! How do they work? .::. Size~: 14.51 KB | Aug 08 23:06 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: saw it | Aug 08 23:06 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: tweeted it about 3 weeks ago? | Aug 08 23:06 |
schestowitz | Anything related? | Aug 08 23:06 |
FurnaceBoy | no, this time it's about Prison farms | Aug 08 23:06 |
schestowitz | But this is new | Aug 08 23:06 |
FurnaceBoy | sigh | Aug 08 23:06 |
FurnaceBoy | oh | Aug 08 23:06 |
FurnaceBoy | ANOTHER rebuke then. | Aug 08 23:06 |
FurnaceBoy | they got slammed a month ago | Aug 08 23:06 |
schestowitz | Ewww.. Rob Enderle http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion/50946-intel%E2%80%99s-consent-decree-intel-will-be-changed | Aug 08 23:07 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Intel's consent decree: Intel will be changed | TG Daily .::. Size~: 55.1 KB | Aug 08 23:07 |
schestowitz | Thank you , AP, for invetigate j000rnalism. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h23rkKsJ_qiBk01fiixWfsYsj_rgD9HCT4F00 | Aug 08 23:07 |
TechrightsBot | Title: The Associated Press: 40 billionaires pledge to donate half their wealth .::. Size~: 10.95 KB | Aug 08 23:07 |
FurnaceBoy | AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH | Aug 08 23:07 |
schestowitz | Donate | Aug 08 23:07 |
schestowitz | I love the wording | Aug 08 23:07 |
FurnaceBoy | "We will change! Never mind that corruption is built into our very system!" | Aug 08 23:07 |
FurnaceBoy | Intel promises to issue press releases about changing, as part of its sealed settlement. | Aug 08 23:08 |
schestowitz | I wonder how much PR staff of Gates Fundy was 'helping' journalists with this new blitz | Aug 08 23:08 |
schestowitz | They retell the old story | Aug 08 23:08 |
schestowitz | Over and over again | Aug 08 23:08 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: sure, they'll elect a GM with another ethnicity | Aug 08 23:08 |
schestowitz | Like AMD | Aug 08 23:08 |
schestowitz | Same speech writer | Aug 08 23:09 |
FurnaceBoy | but Ruiz is under a cloud. | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | "Look. We change." | Aug 08 23:09 |
FurnaceBoy | it's been discovered that ethnics are corrupt too. Galleon | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | Different voice | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | Different accent | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | Different skin colour | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | Same policy on Iraq | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | Same policy on Iraq | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | Same policy on Iran | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | Same policy on banks | Aug 08 23:09 |
schestowitz | ... | Aug 08 23:09 |
FurnaceBoy | actually the repetition worked. :) | Aug 08 23:10 |
FurnaceBoy | Same policy on * | Aug 08 23:10 |
schestowitz | Changed delivery | Aug 08 23:10 |
schestowitz | Pelosibama | Aug 08 23:10 |
FurnaceBoy | right, right, different actor, same movie | Aug 08 23:10 |
schestowitz | I liked Bush more [.....] | Aug 08 23:10 |
FurnaceBoy | anybody who doesn't see that, watches too much tv | Aug 08 23:10 |
schestowitz | ...at least I knew what he was meaning | Aug 08 23:10 |
FurnaceBoy | yes, it was clear he INTENDED to frack things up | Aug 08 23:10 |
FurnaceBoy | instead of lying about it | Aug 08 23:10 |
schestowitz | Wiileaks.... bring the stolen documents BACK | Aug 08 23:11 |
FurnaceBoy | now we have the ORGANIC president | Aug 08 23:11 |
FurnaceBoy | the ASPARTAME president | Aug 08 23:11 |
FurnaceBoy | non-fattening | Aug 08 23:11 |
schestowitz | Gates? | Aug 08 23:11 |
FurnaceBoy | Diet Bush | Aug 08 23:11 |
schestowitz | Obama is mates with him BTW | Aug 08 23:11 |
FurnaceBoy | sure | Aug 08 23:11 |
schestowitz | With the spokesman | Aug 08 23:11 |
FurnaceBoy | of course | Aug 08 23:11 |
schestowitz | Obama | Aug 08 23:11 |
schestowitz | And Clinton too | Aug 08 23:11 |
schestowitz | They meet up in the whitehouse several times per year | Aug 08 23:11 |
schestowitz | It's disgustign | Aug 08 23:11 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh, yes, return the documents... LOL | Aug 08 23:12 |
schestowitz | You think you vote for policy makers | Aug 08 23:12 |
schestowitz | But it's some unelected criminal (gates) who does the bidding | Aug 08 23:12 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "we , uh, need to look something up. And you have them. Says so on this library card." | Aug 08 23:12 |
schestowitz | Not for 4 years | Aug 08 23:12 |
schestowitz | He's only ~50 | Aug 08 23:12 |
schestowitz | Lots of time left for him to outdo Rockefeller in terms of damage to school, society, etc | Aug 08 23:12 |
schestowitz | He'll defend US>.... patents | Aug 08 23:12 |
schestowitz | Sacracity | Aug 08 23:12 |
schestowitz | *Scarcity | Aug 08 23:13 |
schestowitz | You go, girl! | Aug 08 23:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/4/billionaires-to-give-away-fortunes/ | Aug 08 23:13 |
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schestowitz | Watch it | Aug 08 23:13 |
schestowitz | You love these man | Aug 08 23:13 |
schestowitz | The Washington Times says | Aug 08 23:13 |
schestowitz | it's your duty | Aug 08 23:13 |
schestowitz | They are your Gods, sir | Aug 08 23:13 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Pentagon to @wikileaks: "We...uh, need to look something up. And you have the documents. Says so on this library card. Can you return?" | Aug 08 23:14 | |
schestowitz | "Only the super-rich can save us now" | Aug 08 23:14 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he has already outdone Rockefeller's wildest dreams. He took the damage global. | Aug 08 23:14 |
schestowitz | Didn't Rockefeller too? | Aug 08 23:14 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: even BRIC drank the kool-aid | Aug 08 23:14 |
schestowitz | He still does Africa with Gates | Aug 08 23:14 |
schestowitz | "Green revolution" | Aug 08 23:14 |
schestowitz | I guess we can onyl; carry on explaining this to people | Aug 08 23:14 |
schestowitz | But the press is not being helpful | Aug 08 23:14 |
schestowitz | Less often than not | Aug 08 23:14 |
FurnaceBoy | it's true -- there's a "patriotic duty to love rich people -- otherwise you're a dirty commie" | Aug 08 23:15 |
FurnaceBoy | it's in the Constitution somewhere | Aug 08 23:15 |
schestowitz | Capitalism-love of the wealth | Aug 08 23:15 |
schestowitz | Not the wealth | Aug 08 23:15 |
schestowitz | *of the ealthy | Aug 08 23:15 |
FurnaceBoy | of course. | Aug 08 23:15 |
schestowitz | *Wealthy even | Aug 08 23:15 |
FurnaceBoy | inequity is the engine | Aug 08 23:15 |
schestowitz | Admiration of the capitalist dream (billionaire) | Aug 08 23:15 |
schestowitz | =hog | Aug 08 23:15 |
schestowitz | =hoarding | Aug 08 23:15 |
schestowitz | Tyranny is about this division | Aug 08 23:16 |
schestowitz | ANd if it's encouraged then people are 'fed' by those who take away | Aug 08 23:16 |
schestowitz | So it's still a cathedral structure | Aug 08 23:16 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/05/british-billionaires-giving-pledge | Aug 08 23:16 |
TechrightsBot | Title: British billionaires: who could head our A-list of philanthropy? | Matthew Bishop and Michael Green | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 193.02 KB | Aug 08 23:16 |
schestowitz | Branson | Aug 08 23:16 |
schestowitz | Arrogant pretty boy | Aug 08 23:16 |
schestowitz | The economy is 'down' | Aug 08 23:17 |
schestowitz | So the bit ones join hands (de facto world leaders) and do some self-congratulatory PR | Aug 08 23:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Wonder what the resignation of the HP CEO will mean with WebOS? Will the next CEO go back to windows? | Aug 08 23:20 |
schestowitz | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2012546750_edit06delbene.html | Aug 08 23:20 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Editorials | The Times recommends Suzan DelBene and Tim Dillon in the 8th Congressional District | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 65.54 KB | Aug 08 23:20 |
schestowitz | Appalling | Aug 08 23:20 |
schestowitz | Read on... | Aug 08 23:20 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: their s/w VP (new) is from Microsoft | Aug 08 23:20 |
schestowitz | What is this? http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_33/b4191039675158.htm | Aug 08 23:22 |
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schestowitz | Personal ads? | Aug 08 23:22 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: damn , i need to do something constructive today. | Aug 08 23:23 |
FurnaceBoy | did u end up k/b'ing D | Aug 08 23:23 |
schestowitz | "Steve Elop, chief of Microsoft’s business division, which handles MS Office. He was formerly chief operating officer of No. 2 networking company Juniper Networks. Known as a no-nonsense taskmaster, Elop is a veteran in the technology industry, having served in senior positions at Adobe Systems and Macromedia." | Aug 08 23:23 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2010/08/06/marc-hurd-resignation-top-10-candidates-to-replace-him/ | Aug 08 23:23 |
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FurnaceBoy | i'd treat him like any pest. remove routes to reward and he'll lose interest. | Aug 08 23:23 |
schestowitz | Oh oh | Aug 08 23:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Wonder if the Microsoft retail stores are selling anything? | Aug 08 23:23 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: k/b? | Aug 08 23:24 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they gave wallclimber 2 balls | Aug 08 23:24 |
schestowitz | Free of charge | Aug 08 23:24 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's a presence/PR thing | Aug 08 23:24 |
schestowitz | They don't seem to open new shops anymore... or hardly | Aug 08 23:24 |
schestowitz | They call them stores | Aug 08 23:25 |
schestowitz | Every week I look up in the news | Aug 08 23:25 |
schestowitz | Maybe one shop a week opens | Aug 08 23:25 |
schestowitz | That's not much for a whole nation | Aug 08 23:25 |
schestowitz | If it's not profitable, then it's a moot effort | Aug 08 23:25 |
schestowitz | it already alienates some OEMs | Aug 08 23:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | From the Wilcox post: "Microsoft opened four retail stores during fiscal 2010 -- two in California and one each in Arizona and Colorado. Two weeks ago, the company confirmed new shops opening in Illinois, Minnesota and Washington State." | Aug 08 23:25 |
schestowitz | Microsoft cannibalises what used to be partners | Aug 08 23:25 |
schestowitz | Maybe just making things worse | Aug 08 23:26 |
schestowitz | But it must try *something* | Aug 08 23:26 |
schestowitz | Ad: v | Aug 08 23:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10220/1078245-467.stm | Aug 08 23:26 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Well, 7 stores, now that might increase the cash bleeding somewhat | Aug 08 23:26 |
schestowitz | "It is reported that HP will look for suitable candidates to the likes of companies such as Apple, Oracle and Microsoft. " | Aug 08 23:27 |
schestowitz | http://topnews.us/content/224329-hp-s-successor-take-huge-challenges | Aug 08 23:27 |
TechrightsBot | Title: HP’s successor to take up huge challenges | TopNews United States .::. Size~: 64.27 KB | Aug 08 23:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, they compete with Best Buy type of stores | Aug 08 23:27 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] UK Borders Agency full of bullying racists http://is.gd/e9a1P Also, water wet, bears shit in woods and Catholic priests rape children. | Aug 08 23:28 | |
TechrightsBot | Title: UK Border Agency investigation finds cause for 'significant concern' | UK news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 66 KB | Aug 08 23:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | HP is a big company, which operates on a narrow profit margin | Aug 08 23:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | compared to MS | Aug 08 23:29 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45161985#notice-45493711 "Well, if he's not satisfied with Linux sound system, why doesn't he help to improve it, instead advertising Vi$ta 7 ?" | Aug 08 23:29 |
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schestowitz | He's talking about jono | Aug 08 23:29 |
schestowitz | Yeah, well, I can make some Microsoft posts soon. I have loads | Aug 08 23:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS must be very worried about Android | Aug 08 23:31 |
FurnaceBoy | I hope teh worry gives every VP diahhroea | Aug 08 23:31 |
FurnaceBoy | aff | Aug 08 23:31 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: how do you spell that? | Aug 08 23:32 |
schestowitz | Depends | Aug 08 23:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Maybe Android based on the lInux kernel, if the time that linux snowballs the decline of M$ | Aug 08 23:32 |
schestowitz | I want to see Android forks | Aug 08 23:33 |
schestowitz | Google suppresses them | Aug 08 23:33 |
schestowitz | Keeping power | Aug 08 23:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The major tipping point, year of linux, whatever you want to call it. | Aug 08 23:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Forking Android would be a good thing, agreed | Aug 08 23:33 |
cubevector | Diarrhea :) | Aug 08 23:34 |
Chips_B_Malroy | putting apt-get back in that fork would be even better, having a combination of the best of GNU/Linux and Android, awesome. | Aug 08 23:34 |
cubevector | Ulcers would be more likely though | Aug 08 23:34 |
cubevector | The situation is like a shark (Microsoft) verus a metamorph (Linux) | Aug 08 23:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS seems to have less pieces on the chess boards these days. Sadly it still has pawns like SCO. | Aug 08 23:36 |
cubevector | the thing is, Linux is so much better | Aug 08 23:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | agreed, but I think you were not here when I was chatting about netflix and Android | Aug 08 23:37 |
cubevector | I can't even conceive going back to Microsoft | Aug 08 23:37 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It's sometimes hard to stay positive in a world where #GNU make is considered radical voodoo. #firstworldproblems | Aug 08 23:38 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] AKA 'use Windows, IE, ActiveX etc because we'll do all the deals with govts and educators so yo'll have to' http://bit.ly/bMuvL3 | Aug 08 23:38 | |
TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot News Story | Forget University — Use the Web For Education, Says Gates .::. Size~: 156.46 KB | Aug 08 23:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | there will be android apps that GNU/Linux does not have | Aug 08 23:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Netflix is one of them | Aug 08 23:38 |
cubevector | they could be ported maybe? | Aug 08 23:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I wonder too | Aug 08 23:38 |
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FurnaceBoy | oh look, Gates noticed the web. | Aug 08 23:39 |
FurnaceBoy | this must be a new way for him to destroy it. | Aug 08 23:39 |
FurnaceBoy | he never did anything else but try to. | Aug 08 23:39 |
*schestowitz writing posts | Aug 08 23:40 | |
cubevector | the net is much bigger than a mere company | Aug 08 23:41 |
FurnaceBoy | cubevector: of course. | Aug 08 23:41 |
FurnaceBoy | cubevector: the point is he wants to own it. that's his brand of megalomania (shared by Zuck) | Aug 08 23:41 |
schestowitz | Gates has PR people to accommodate the Web | Aug 08 23:42 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 It's sometimes hard to stay positive in a world where #GNU make is considered radical voodoo. #firstworldproblems | Aug 08 23:42 | |
schestowitz | Google's founder too use Google for reputation laundering | Aug 08 23:42 |
schestowitz | *ders | Aug 08 23:42 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: my buddy jweyrich is sure to RT that. | Aug 08 23:42 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Possible proof for P != NP at http://www.scribd.com/doc/35539144/pnp12pt #math | Aug 08 23:43 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Possible proof for P != NP at http://www.scribd.com/doc/3553... #math | Aug 08 23:43 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Vice President Quits Microsoft: Birger Steen http://ur1.ca/11asz But Parallels is now being watched and run by a #Microsoft guy | Aug 08 23:50 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/202870/did_apple_exec_depart_over_antennagate.html?tk=hp_pop | Aug 08 23:56 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Did Apple Exec Depart Over "Antennagate"? - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 66.1 KB | Aug 08 23:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367520,00.asp | Aug 08 23:57 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Apple Loses SVP Mark Papermaster: Is The Antenna to Blame? | News & Opinion | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 71.76 KB | Aug 08 23:57 |
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