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yuhongAt commenting.Aug 08 00:00
yuhongCarriers depend on things like carrier locking.Aug 08 00:02
yuhongAnyway, carriers depend on things like carrier locking.Aug 08 00:03
yuhongGoogle tried to help, but failed.Aug 08 00:03
jweyrichhow old are you yuhong?Aug 08 00:03
yuhongalmost 17.Aug 08 00:03
MinceRall my 4 phones were always unlocked :>Aug 08 00:03
yuhongI think carriers are a big barrier to phone freedom.Aug 08 00:04
MinceRit's possible.Aug 08 00:04
MinceRlikely, evenAug 08 00:04
cubezzzAX.25 might be worth a lookAug 08 00:04
yuhongGoogle tried to help, but kind of failed.Aug 08 00:05
cubezzzanother project on the back-burnerAug 08 00:05
jweyrichI think telecom regulators are the biggest barrier.Aug 08 00:05
yuhongYes, I know.Aug 08 00:05
yuhongThe lobbying, I know.Aug 08 00:05
jweyrichthat's why I support any jailbreaking.Aug 08 00:07
yuhongI was originally going to discuss this topic.Aug 08 00:10
yuhongI was not originally going to discuss Windows.Aug 08 00:10
yuhongBut I ended up doing so. Oh well.Aug 08 00:11
ThistleWebadgenda setting FTWAug 08 00:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mjvalente: RT @WiCnet: HBO: Game of Thrones to premiere spring 2011 http://bit.ly/cj8FeQ #GameofThronesAug 08 00:13
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cubezzzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010080700539NWBZOOAug 08 00:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Linux Today - The Corporation has gone Open Source .::. Size~: 74.69 KBAug 08 00:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Pakinstan-India-Afghanistan-WikiLeaks | The Hindu http://bit.ly/97pfZcAug 08 00:22
TechrightsBotTitle: The Hindu : Opinion / Op-Ed : Playing the changing game .::. Size~: 39.07 KBAug 08 00:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft losing big to Apple in the campus OS war http://tinyurl.com/3xx2odw #microsoft #apple #windows #xp #vista #windows7 #mvpbuzz #mvpAug 08 00:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot Apple Submission | Microsoft losing big to Apple in the campus OS war .::. Size~: 44.6 KBAug 08 00:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@0r3z That's what we have seen in the last N Presidential elections. Same old rulers, different spokespeople.Aug 08 00:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@eikonos Sorry, I have a zero tolerance rule for #Downfall remixes. #donotwantAug 08 00:28
FurnaceBoyyuhong, yuhong - gone already? Aug 08 00:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 7/8/2010: OLPC XO Laptops, Growth of Free Software http://techrights.org/2010/08/07/olpc-xo-laptop/Aug 08 00:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Links 7/8/2010: OLPC XO Laptops, Growth of Free Software  | Techrights .::. Size~: 119.88 KBAug 08 00:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] The latest build of Chromium seems to have sorted the issue of the missing "home" icon. Missing for 24 hours its whereabouts was a mystery!Aug 08 00:32
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Balzacschestowitz: have you considered rebranding your IRC channel to match your new domain, and then forwarding #boycottnovell to #techrights ?Aug 08 00:34
BalzacIt would be a more permanent name for your freenode channel Aug 08 00:34
MinceR#techrights already existsAug 08 00:34
schestowitzWe have these channels seaprateAug 08 00:34
BalzacokAug 08 00:34
MinceRbut there are only few of us thereAug 08 00:34
BalzacNovell is still a vehicle for software patents, so I understand completelyAug 08 00:35
schestowitzJust posted the log for todayAug 08 00:35
schestowitz950KBAug 08 00:35
schestowitzSame as 2 days agoAug 08 00:35
FurnaceBoythis channel is for more OT stuff, it seems :DAug 08 00:42
FurnaceBoythat may be my fault :-XAug 08 00:42
schestowitzNopeAug 08 00:44
schestowitz"Fault" has negative connotationAug 08 00:44
FurnaceBoyso does being OTAug 08 00:49
FurnaceBoybut if this is just 'random ranting, politics, DaemonFC bashing, whatever' then i'm in the clearAug 08 00:49
_GoblinRight Im off.....goodnight all.Aug 08 01:11
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jonoschestowitz ping?Aug 08 01:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @DaemonFC: I added a comment, but it is currently held in moderation. That should explain things better to you.Aug 08 01:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Back from another Severed Fifth rehearsal - great jam, and we are continuing to sheen our tunes ready for live. Bring it! #severedfifthAug 08 01:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks Afghan Papers see Obama poll record low | Townhall http://bit.ly/ddgc0AAug 08 02:12
TechrightsBotTitle: Townhall - Dick Morris and  Eileen McGann - WikiLeaks Afghan Papers Killing Obama .::. Size~: 182.29 KBAug 08 02:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Karl Rove wants WikiLeaks editor-in-chief 'Hunted Down and Grabbed' | FOX http://bit.ly/dxjeqVAug 08 02:33
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Karl Rove Wants WikiLeaks 'Criminal' Julian Assange 'Hunted Down And Grabbed And Put On Trial',‎ .::. Size~: 84.32 KBAug 08 02:33
*FurnaceBoy is now known as FurnaceBoy|hereAug 08 02:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '6 Americans, 4 others killed' <— there's your problem, right in the headlineAug 08 03:00
*FurnaceBoy|here is now known as FurnaceBoyAug 08 03:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@bonniefuller What would you have babies drink? Coca-Cola? Gisele is right; you're the overprivileged flake in this picture.Aug 08 03:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Friend's #cats literally swing from the chandelier above his dining table.Aug 08 03:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Financing WikiLeaks | Harpers http://harpers.org/archive/2010/08/hbc-90007485Aug 08 03:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@CJSFNews unfortunately it's not just an unfortunate headline. It's a deliberately crafted piece of #propaganda. Shame, #TIMEAug 08 03:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Financing WikiLeaks—By Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine) .::. Size~: 12.75 KBAug 08 03:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@Mirandacan The back #TIME cover should show the mangled corpses and maimed living bodies of the civilians caught in US attacks that day.Aug 08 03:40
cubezzzgoing to give AROS another go tonightAug 08 04:02
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FurnaceBoyOh, God, Benjamin Humphrey just made a horse's ass of himself with that column.Aug 08 04:19
*FurnaceBoy only now got around to reading it.Aug 08 04:19
FurnaceBoyWhat a waste of 5 minutes that was.Aug 08 04:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Wikipedia: Afghan War Diary http://bit.ly/aIIS0IAug 08 04:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: RT @Mondoweiss: Civil disobedience in Israel/Palestine: 12 Israeli women defy army orders, take Palestinians... http://ff.im/oTwPcAug 08 04:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Visualising Afganistan casualties http://bit.ly/aIoj6BAug 08 04:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] More visualisations of the Afghan War Diary http://bit.ly/byTg5rAug 08 04:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Visualising Data  » Blog Archive   » Visualising the Wikileaks war logs using Tableau Public .::. Size~: 44.42 KBAug 08 04:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] If you want your digital works to survive longer than a housepet, rule #1 is don't use proprietary #software. http://bit.ly/ahDBil #bbcAug 08 04:31
TechrightsBotTitle:             Daniel Paul O'Donnell, PhD: The Doomsday Machine, or, "If you build it, will they still come ten years from now?": What Medievalists working in digital media can do to ensure the longevity of their research         .::. Size~: 48.03 KBAug 08 04:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks v. Pentagon: the Costly Pursuit of Control http://bit.ly/bQET4SAug 08 05:19
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tessier_ http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/2010/08/06/keygen-available-for-firefox-4-wait-what/ A firefox crack! Finally we can use it for free!Aug 08 05:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @livegreenordie Russian Blazes Hit #Chernobyl - ExpressUK http://is.gd/e8cfs // this can't be good. Can they fit in an oil spill somehowAug 08 05:34
TechrightsBotTitle: Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | World News :: Nuclear fear as Russian blazes hit Chernobyl .::. Size~: 43.06 KBAug 08 05:34
tessier_Wow. I wonder how much radiation could be spread by going up in smoke.Aug 08 05:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@eikonos Harper really said the Cdn economy is 'too fragile' to have an election? #blinks #cdnpoliAug 08 05:36
FurnaceBoytessier_: yeahAug 08 05:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@eikonos #Harper said "unnecessary" election wd disrupt economy-Read it&weep http://is.gd/e8eZW //like smth a f***ing #War President wd sayAug 08 05:45
TechrightsBotTitle: CBC News - Politics - Economy too fragile for election: PM .::. Size~: 37.67 KBAug 08 05:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] yeah, look at this year's headlines and say #climatechange is a myth. I DON'T SEE SNOW OUT THERE PEOPLE #justsayin #FOXAug 08 05:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Can someone send me news on OLPC and my Picture in 'scanned' version of Business Lines Hyderabad newspaper (sat, 7 aug).Aug 08 05:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tilapya I'm at Los Angeles International Airport (#LAX) at Sepulveda Blvd, Los Angeles w/ 39 others // gosh, it's almost emptyAug 08 05:49
FurnaceBoynemox: OHAIAug 08 05:49
FurnaceBoynemox: I baked u some dox but.. lolcat atemAug 08 05:50
nemoxlulz!@Aug 08 05:51
FurnaceBoynemox: I iz doing gentoo update Aug 08 05:51
nemoxi gn33d to dooo backup day!Aug 08 05:52
FurnaceBoynemox: yes this is for the Time Capsule serverAug 08 05:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] The Ongoing WikiLeaks saga (video) | Listening Post http://bit.ly/aSQRYZAug 08 05:52
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FurnaceBoynemox: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/2010/07/19/ubuntu-timemachine-server-for-snow-leopardAug 08 05:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Inception - I have seen 'dream inside dream' many times & In dream I know that i am dreaming. Many times I use to struggle a lot to wake upAug 08 06:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I will code more If there will be something like jsGtk, jsQt (instead of pygtk and pyqt).Aug 08 06:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Javascript Desktop is interesting - http://www.jsdesk.com/ #javascript #webAug 08 06:18
TechrightsBotTitle: jsDesk: A JavaScript Desktop Web Application | Desktop | \m/ .::. Size~: 4.22 KBAug 08 06:18
schestowitz"Working class' naive belief they too may 1 day be on top 1% rich is a tragedy of #capitalism. Worse, many defend the exploiter."Aug 08 06:44
schestowitz"I love Michael Moore, btw. Anyone who questions ruling class is quickly called "extremist". Alas, fear-mongering is effective."Aug 08 06:45
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/45064544#notice-45403390Aug 08 06:45
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/327867Aug 08 06:45
TechrightsBotTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Sunday, 08-Aug-10 00:36:40 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.94 KBAug 08 06:45
schestowitz"that's one of the things that is so thoroughly likable about @schestowitz - he never grows tired of doing so (or rarely lets on if he does)"Aug 08 06:45
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/statuses/20584549677 "Yes my friend @schestowitz reminded me today that "activist" is the new "terror1st"."Aug 08 06:52
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter / TT: @eikonos Yes my friend @sc ... .::. Size~: 11.82 KBAug 08 06:52
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: it's called "domestic terrorist"Aug 08 06:52
schestowitzThose who terrorise the ruling classAug 08 06:52
FurnaceBoy+1Aug 08 07:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that working class lottery theory is ... the current AMerican vision of life. See: Faludi (Stiffed). It's also very much encouraged, indeed mandated, by the trickle-down lie, which is a very big part of Murdoch's mission to make the dominant and better, only economic vision possibleAug 08 07:02
FurnaceBoymake it*Aug 08 07:02
schestowitz"I'd get promoted"Aug 08 07:03
schestowitzAnd then comes the massive 'recession'Aug 08 07:03
schestowitzBut they carry on making good films though, "American Dream"Aug 08 07:03
schestowitzThe classic Hollywood plot it like this (talked about it with a mate last night)Aug 08 07:04
schestowitzTake some star, dress her up in big sweater and glassesAug 08 07:04
schestowitzThen towards the climatic scenes she's freed and finds fameAug 08 07:04
schestowitzThat's what all the shows about 'discovering' talent it all aboutAug 08 07:05
schestowitzPeople love these because of projection wrt main characterAug 08 07:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: preciselyAug 08 07:06
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's endlessly reinforced by this crapAug 08 07:06
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i call it the lottery theory of life; it's now the main mode of thought thanks to decades of brainwashing (as meticulously documented in that book, and confirmed as you say simply by looking around)Aug 08 07:07
schestowitzAnother thing is churchAug 08 07:07
schestowitzTHe "carry on working, Life 2.0 is so much better" docrtine has also been understood by ChurchillAug 08 07:08
schestowitzSo he suppressed curiousityAug 08 07:08
schestowitzLike when they had weird incidents and the Telegraph said last week that he withheld it from the publicAug 08 07:08
schestowitzMaybe they're right about reality giving people less hope in lifeAug 08 07:08
FurnaceBoyyesAug 08 07:11
FurnaceBoyvery good pointAug 08 07:11
FurnaceBoynite!Aug 08 07:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Delhi Traffic Police is on Facebook! Searching for "dislike" button.Aug 08 07:11
schestowitzhttp://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=133099Aug 08 07:13
TechrightsBotTitle: MediaPost Publications Jobs, Ballmer, And The Page-Brin-Schmidt Trinity Battle For Your Eternal Soul 08/03/2010 .::. Size~: 68.82 KBAug 08 07:13
schestowitz " Like all good stories, the question of which side is good and which is evil depends on, well, which side you're on. Talk to open-source fanatics (and, no, "fanatics" is not too strong a word) and they'll tell you that the ultimate evil is Microsoft. "Aug 08 07:13
schestowitzWhat bullAug 08 07:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Delhi Traffic Police is on Facebook! Searching for "dislike" button.Aug 08 07:14
schestowitzhttp://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/coalition-to-dump-flawed-internet-filter-20100805-11kmv.htmlAug 08 07:15
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/06/russia-fires-moscowAug 08 07:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Climate change denial? There's an app for that http://ur1.ca/11502 there's an app for... just about anythingAug 08 07:21
TechrightsBotTitle:  Climate change denial? There's an app for that | Environment | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 190.6 KBAug 08 07:21
schestowitzhttp://www.thenation.com/article/38034/wikileaks-baghdad?page=0,0Aug 08 07:22
TechrightsBotTitle: WikiLeaks in Baghdad | The Nation .::. Size~: 63.69 KBAug 08 07:22
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/45094101#notice-45424198 "acta is the dislike button"Aug 08 07:22
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schestowitzhttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/08/sorry_time_assange_is_a_crimin.htmlAug 08 07:46
schestowitzhaha.Aug 08 07:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Forget Stimulus Funds, Open Software can Save the Economy http://ur1.ca/11592 "free software is not always open source"Aug 08 08:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A little dig at Google by #bbcclick - we pay for this rubbish via our license.....5 minutes of that show is enough for me #bbc #failAug 08 08:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Forget Stimulus Funds, Open Software can Save the Economy - Ed Or Alive .::. Size~: 51.94 KBAug 08 08:05
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Bought a 32 IN 1 Screw Driver and USB to SATA/PATA connector on #ebay to open up my good old laptop.Aug 08 08:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin A little dig at Google by #bbcclick - we pay for this rubbish via our license.....5 minutes of that show is enough for me #bbcAug 08 08:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] The "tribalism" that Shuttleworts warns about. Coming from Ubuntu. http://is.gd/e8nr3Aug 08 08:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft and Salesforce.com Patent Dispute - a Sign of Battles to Come? - http://bit.ly/bUB1z4 old patents to block new ideas? #swpatsAug 08 08:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Books: The vinyl record of the publishing business - http://bit.ly/cEo0kX it's all about the joys of analogue #books #lpsAug 08 08:33
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schestowitzhttp://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-maddog/maddog-celebrates-his-60th-birthdayAug 08 08:34
TechrightsBotTitle: maddog celebrates his 60th birthday - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 28.93 KBAug 08 08:34
schestowitzJust 60?Aug 08 08:34
schestowitzHe looks much olderAug 08 08:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A sign they're bleeding money ♺ @glynmoody: Microsoft and Salesforce.com #swpat Dispute - a Sign of Battles to Come? - http://bit.ly/bUB1z4Aug 08 08:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] When a company starts using it's #swpat portfolio regularly, it's a sign they're not making enough money with their old business. #MicrosoftAug 08 08:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @bkuhn #FSF's position *only* seem extreme b/c no one is more extreme. OSI'd be seen as extreme if FSF didn't exist.Aug 08 08:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @laurelrusswurm #fsf and @rms are incredibly important but it is precisely people using firefox on windows that educates about #fs #lpAug 08 08:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Too Many Researchers Are Reluctant to Share Their Data - http://bit.ly/bJDM5C good rebuttal of common, if feeble, objections #opendataAug 08 08:54
TechrightsBotTitle: Too Many Researchers Are Reluctant to Share Their Data - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education .::. Size~: 38.68 KBAug 08 08:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bermuda's Legacy: Policy, Timing and the Genome Commons - http://bit.ly/bgY79B excellent study of key open data statement #genomicsAug 08 08:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] War on drugs: why the US and Latin America could be ready to end a fruitless 40-year struggle - http://bit.ly/cw42EY long overdue #drugsAug 08 09:01
TechrightsBotTitle:  War on drugs: why the US and Latin America could be ready to end a fruitless 40-year struggle | World news | The Observer  .::. Size~: 203.55 KBAug 08 09:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Too Many Researchers Are Reluctant to Share Their Data - http://bit.ly/bJDM5C good rebuttal of common, objections #opendataAug 08 09:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Too Many Researchers Are Reluctant to Share Their Data - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education .::. Size~: 38.68 KBAug 08 09:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @jonobacon spdif in not supported in all linux or just ubuntu? There is a difference. And you did file bugzilla or launchpad?Aug 08 09:07
schestowitzASCAP propaganda: http://tinyogg.com/watch/fL2em/Aug 08 09:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @glynmoody: Hey, that drug article points out one of the few reasons I'm proud to be a Portuguese! :)Aug 08 09:12
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/XCBRK/Aug 08 09:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @RuiSeabra excellent - seems a pretty thorough pieceAug 08 09:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: War on #drugs: why the US and Latin America could be ready to end fruitless 40-year struggle http://bit.ly/cw42EY long overdueAug 08 09:15
TechrightsBotTitle:  War on drugs: why the US and Latin America could be ready to end a fruitless 40-year struggle | World news | The Observer  .::. Size~: 207.19 KBAug 08 09:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 8/8/2010: Android Devices Sold in Volumes, But Google Stops Augen’s Use of Android Market http://ur1.ca/115ooAug 08 09:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Books: The vinyl record of the publishing business - http://bit.ly/cEo0kX it's all about the joys of analogue > not 4 longAug 08 09:24
TechrightsBotTitle: Books: The vinyl record of the publishing business. .::. Size~: 88.48 KBAug 08 09:24
amarsh04back in a few, moving from kernel 2.6.35-rc6 to 2.6.35Aug 08 09:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra maybe it's a sign Microsoft #KIN wasn't as profitable as patentsAug 08 09:30
cubevectorwell got the dual boot Linux/AROS system workingAug 08 09:32
cubevectordon't have the network working quite yetAug 08 09:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] How digg groups subvert digg http://is.gd/e8r8t #failAug 08 09:34
TechrightsBotTitle: Massive Censorship Of Digg Uncovered «  OOO .::. Size~: 434.56 KBAug 08 09:35
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/45104724#notice-45435290 "So long as ebooks are transitory (like the Kindle version of 1984) and locked behind DRM, books made of paper won't go extinct"Aug 08 09:35
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schestowitzWhat about Project Gutenberg?Aug 08 09:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] If there is no net neutrality, is there now a new net liability? - http://bit.ly/aucetb another reason ISPs *must* support #NetneutralityAug 08 09:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Gingrich Admits to Affair During Clinton Impeachment - http://bit.ly/be38yl "espousing family values while he carried on affair" (via @jdub)Aug 08 09:46
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/45105512#notice-45436179 "I love Project Gutenberg, but if DRM doesn't kill it, Google Books just might."Aug 08 09:50
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DaemonFCjust got back from Walmart, glad I wasn't missing any excitement :PAug 08 10:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patent Threat #Banshee Gets Hooks Into #Ubuntu 10.10 http://ur1.ca/115x4 #novell #mono #swpatsAug 08 10:16
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DaemonFChttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/ubuntus-community-manager-gratuitously-advertising-for-microsoft/#comment-1505Aug 08 10:18
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I ended up ditching Banshee for ExaileAug 08 10:19
DaemonFCjust because Banshee was the only thing I actually used that needed MonoAug 08 10:19
DaemonFCRhythmbox seems...limited in a number of waysAug 08 10:20
DaemonFCI like the layout of Exaile and the fact that it actually grabs album art for meAug 08 10:20
DaemonFCLast.FM has broken their old API and Rhythmbox no longer works reliably with it anymore anywayAug 08 10:21
DaemonFCBanshee uses the new API that you have to pay to accessAug 08 10:21
DaemonFCand the RIAA has been getting dicky over licensing with themAug 08 10:22
DaemonFCso there's getting to be less and less stuff they can actually stream anywayAug 08 10:22
DaemonFCLinux 2.6.34 has been pushed to the Fedora 13 test updatesAug 08 10:34
DaemonFC(2.6.34.2)Aug 08 10:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Gingrich Admits to Affair During Clinton Impeachment http://bit.ly/be38yl 'espousing family values while he carried on affair'Aug 08 10:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Media Spin Watch: Internet Explorer 9 Promotion, MS-PL Defence, #GPL Scare, and #SAP as an ‘Open Source’ Company http://ur1.ca/1164b #fudAug 08 10:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #paypal security theatre. Refuses codes from its own token. #failAug 08 10:48
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schestowitzhttp://idhttp://identi.ca/notice/45436006enti.ca/conversation/45105512#notice-45436179 "I love Project Gutenberg, but if DRM doesn't kill it, Google Books just might."Aug 08 11:00
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schestowitz"If circumvention of DRM becomes illegal globally, do you think there will be an e-reader on the market not locked by DRM?"Aug 08 11:00
DaemonFCschestowitz, Glorious newsAug 08 11:01
DaemonFCGonad The Barbarian sent my mom the $2,000 he stole from herAug 08 11:01
DaemonFCand $600 to cover the lawyer's expenses she took on getting it back :PAug 08 11:01
schestowitzSo she can fly to France againAug 08 11:01
DaemonFCI don't know why anyone would want to go thereAug 08 11:02
DaemonFCbut it is her moneyAug 08 11:02
oiaohmRate is going circumvention of DRM will be legal everywhere. schestowitzAug 08 11:03
DaemonFCthe impression I got from her description is like France is another planet or somethingAug 08 11:05
DaemonFCwhere supermarkets and two lane streets haven't been inventedAug 08 11:05
DaemonFCand Gypsies will mug you at knife pointAug 08 11:05
DaemonFCbecause guns are illegalAug 08 11:05
DaemonFCand if you defend yourself, you can go to jail longer than your attackerAug 08 11:06
DaemonFCcause hell, they're EuropeansAug 08 11:06
DaemonFC:PAug 08 11:06
DaemonFConly Europeans and to a somewhat lesser extent, Canadians have it in their heads that defending yourself can be a crimeAug 08 11:07
oiaohmReally the problem is France did not need supermarketsAug 08 11:07
DaemonFCI'd like some justification of that stupid line of thoughtAug 08 11:07
DaemonFCshe brought back some French cheeseAug 08 11:07
oiaohmFrance has had for over 100 years the equal to open air shoping areas.Aug 08 11:07
DaemonFCwhich tasted awfulAug 08 11:07
DaemonFCand some French chocolateAug 08 11:07
DaemonFCwhich tasted like baking cocoaAug 08 11:08
DaemonFC:PAug 08 11:08
DaemonFCthese people are seriously messed upAug 08 11:08
schestowitzYou areAug 08 11:08
schestowitzNationalist tooAug 08 11:08
DaemonFCit's no wonder none of them are fat if their food tastes that badAug 08 11:08
oiaohmThat in the same distance as going around a supermarket you could get the same ammount of items in france.  DaemonFCAug 08 11:08
DaemonFCthen they put tartar sauce on friesAug 08 11:08
DaemonFCwho the hell does that?Aug 08 11:08
oiaohmLot of things are aquired taste.Aug 08 11:09
DaemonFCmust beAug 08 11:09
oiaohmI don't mind tartar sause in friesAug 08 11:09
DaemonFCI like food served two waysAug 08 11:09
DaemonFCspicyAug 08 11:09
DaemonFCand spicierAug 08 11:09
oiaohmAnd the french would think your food was insane.Aug 08 11:09
DaemonFCschestowitz, Godwin's lawAug 08 11:10
DaemonFCyou use Nationalist as a code word for NaziAug 08 11:10
DaemonFCor so it seemsAug 08 11:10
DaemonFCThe French make no sense to me, I'd hate to live thereAug 08 11:11
DaemonFCthat's my opinionAug 08 11:11
DaemonFCI'd hate to live anywhere where I could get mugged and then thrown in jail for having been muggedAug 08 11:11
DaemonFCif someone attacks me and gets shot and/or their ass kicked, then they got what they deservedAug 08 11:12
DaemonFCany legal system that would punish me for defending myself is a bad legal systemAug 08 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Patent Offensive “a Sign They’re Not Making Enough Money With Their Old Business.” http://ur1.ca/116bs #swpats #salesforceAug 08 11:12
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DaemonFCyou pull a knife on someone and they shoot you, it's not their fault you got shotAug 08 11:13
DaemonFCend of storyAug 08 11:13
DaemonFCand it should be common sense that this is what you risk in trying to attack themAug 08 11:13
DaemonFCthat it may not go so well for youAug 08 11:13
DaemonFCschestowitz, Criminals like John Dillinger went out of their way not to rob or kill bystandersAug 08 11:14
DaemonFCtheir was a guy in one of the banks that he knocked over that had just cashed his paycheck and tried handing the money to DillingerAug 08 11:15
DaemonFCwho handed it back and said he didn't want that guys money, he wanted the bank's moneyAug 08 11:15
DaemonFCthat's why public opinion was not against DillingerAug 08 11:15
DaemonFChe wasn't seen as someone who was attacking the general publicAug 08 11:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #paypal will send me a new token. That just took me 6 EUR on their support hotline. Very uncool.Aug 08 11:15
schestowitzhttp://lwn.net/Articles/396535/Aug 08 11:17
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schestowitzDaemonFC: no, nationalist doesn't mean thatAug 08 11:17
DaemonFCthat's the reason muggings are unheard of in most places in the USAug 08 11:17
schestowitzIt just means you have nationalist pride and disdain for all other countriesAug 08 11:17
DaemonFCthe only places you see lots of muggings are states and localities with gun control lawsAug 08 11:18
DaemonFCEuropean emulationAug 08 11:18
DaemonFCshouldn't be tolerated thereAug 08 11:18
DaemonFCif someone mugs me, I'll shoot themAug 08 11:18
DaemonFCand not ask questions laterAug 08 11:18
DaemonFCI won't feel guiltyAug 08 11:18
schestowitzGive people nukes, too, according to your logicAug 08 11:19
DaemonFCnot reallyAug 08 11:19
DaemonFCsmall weapons like knives are still thereAug 08 11:19
schestowitzYes reallyAug 08 11:19
schestowitzKnives are less lethal than gunsAug 08 11:19
DaemonFCand criminals are less anxious about using knives in EuropeAug 08 11:19
schestowitzYou can stab someone once and he'll let you have his walletAug 08 11:19
DaemonFCbecause they know you can't shoot themAug 08 11:19
schestowitzYou can't do that with a gunAug 08 11:19
DaemonFCI'm going to shoot themAug 08 11:19
DaemonFCand not be stabbedAug 08 11:19
DaemonFCand keep my walletAug 08 11:19
DaemonFChell with themAug 08 11:20
schestowitzSick manAug 08 11:20
DaemonFCnoAug 08 11:20
schestowitzSeek counsellingAug 08 11:20
schestowitzOh waitAug 08 11:20
DaemonFCI refuse to be stabbedAug 08 11:20
schestowitzYou already doAug 08 11:20
DaemonFCthey deserve to be shot if they try to stab meAug 08 11:20
MinceRyou could shoot them ion the footAug 08 11:20
MinceRyou can also kill with a knifeAug 08 11:20
MinceRs/ion/in/Aug 08 11:20
DaemonFCMinceR, Maybe I will shoot them in the footAug 08 11:20
DaemonFCjust so I can filet them with the non-lethal knifeAug 08 11:20
DaemonFCjust to prove schestowitz's line of thoughtAug 08 11:21
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 11:21
DaemonFCshow him I can be a humanitarianAug 08 11:21
DaemonFCstab them non-lethally with the knifeAug 08 11:21
DaemonFClike 20 timesAug 08 11:21
DaemonFClike they may have done to meAug 08 11:21
DaemonFCand I would have lived and fully recoveredAug 08 11:21
cubevectorthey would bleed to deathAug 08 11:21
DaemonFCif I just hadn't shot themAug 08 11:21
DaemonFCbecause knives are not dangerous weaponsAug 08 11:22
DaemonFCand have never killed anyoneAug 08 11:22
MinceR:>Aug 08 11:22
schestowitzhttp://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2009/07/02/why-i-disagree-with-rms-concerning-mono/Aug 08 11:22
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DaemonFCMinceR, or maybe I'll just march them up to the 30th floor of a building and push them out the windowAug 08 11:22
DaemonFCso schestowitz can't say I committed a gun crimeAug 08 11:23
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cubevectorsee the problem with that thinking is when both of you have a gunAug 08 11:23
MinceR:>Aug 08 11:23
DaemonFChmmmmAug 08 11:23
DaemonFCJabba is hunting a permanent markerAug 08 11:23
MinceRshould we ban 30th floors, windows or both?Aug 08 11:23
MinceRthey kill people!Aug 08 11:24
DaemonFCdon't forget rocksAug 08 11:24
DaemonFCyou can bash someone in the head with a rockAug 08 11:24
cubevectorand big screwdriversAug 08 11:24
MinceRand fistsAug 08 11:24
DaemonFCand toothbrushes should be banned tooAug 08 11:24
cubevectorand a heavy old computer power supplyAug 08 11:24
DaemonFCpeople get shanked with them all the time in prisonAug 08 11:24
MinceRand feetAug 08 11:24
MinceRand kneesAug 08 11:25
MinceRand elbowsAug 08 11:25
cubevectorok, I think we're done :)Aug 08 11:25
DaemonFCMinceR, Report for tooth extraction immediatelyAug 08 11:25
MinceR:>Aug 08 11:25
DaemonFCcan't have you biting anyoneAug 08 11:25
DaemonFC:PAug 08 11:25
cubevectorbut I'm eating corn on the cob tomorrowAug 08 11:26
DaemonFCcubevector, Are corn cob holders legal in Canada?Aug 08 11:27
DaemonFCyou can really hurt someone with thoseAug 08 11:27
cubevectorI don't think they would make a good weaponAug 08 11:27
cubevectorvery short reachAug 08 11:28
DaemonFCMinceR, for home defense I'd likely use my shotgunAug 08 11:28
DaemonFCbut those aren't practical to carry aroundAug 08 11:28
DaemonFChttp://a.imageshack.us/img64/2667/dscf2846r.jpgAug 08 11:29
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DaemonFCthat itAug 08 11:29
DaemonFC*isAug 08 11:29
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 11:29
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DaemonFCschestowitz said it's tiny, but it's better than what the police useAug 08 11:30
DaemonFC:PAug 08 11:30
cubevectordoes Judas_PhD ever talk? :)Aug 08 11:30
MinceRyes, he says "Aaarrrggghhh!!!" when he leavesAug 08 11:31
MinceR:>Aug 08 11:31
cubevectorwell AROS was disappointingAug 08 11:31
cubevectorstill fighting with itAug 08 11:31
MinceRof course -- it's not a multiuser OS with access control, is it? :>Aug 08 11:32
cubevectorwell I might just replace it with HaikuAug 08 11:32
DaemonFCI do have a type IIIA ballistic vestAug 08 11:33
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 11:33
DaemonFCthat would stop a .44 Magnum roundAug 08 11:33
schestowitzcubevector: I think it's a spyAug 08 11:34
MinceRbut not a .45? :>Aug 08 11:34
DaemonFCType IV's are quite a bit bulkierAug 08 11:34
schestowitzProbably one of the Microsoft/ACCESS trollsAug 08 11:34
DaemonFCthose are good against some armor piercing roundsAug 08 11:34
schestowitzBut I'm not sureAug 08 11:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] München wies leibt und lebt. http://sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/mieterin-kein-platz-fuer-kinder-1.985217Aug 08 11:34
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schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=2 "[PJ: This makes me want to get a BlackBerry.] "Aug 08 11:35
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DaemonFCI'd like to get one of those Dragon Skin vestsAug 08 11:35
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 11:35
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_%28body_armor%29Aug 08 11:36
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MinceRwhoaAug 08 11:37
DaemonFCMinceR, They make entire suitsAug 08 11:38
DaemonFCup to the Level V variantAug 08 11:38
DaemonFCB-)Aug 08 11:38
schestowitzMinceR: check out the pageAug 08 11:38
schestowitzCount how many articles on AppleAug 08 11:39
DaemonFCMinceR, The Type V variant can withstand a grenade blastAug 08 11:39
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 11:39
DaemonFCI'd really hate to have to stop someone wearing a suit of Dragon Skin armorAug 08 11:40
DaemonFCabout all anything I have to shoot at them with would do is sting themAug 08 11:40
DaemonFCmaybe knock them back a bitAug 08 11:41
DaemonFCunless I was just really luckyAug 08 11:41
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfGwfhU7z5MAug 08 11:42
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DaemonFCActuallyAug 08 11:42
DaemonFCI want one of those suitsAug 08 11:42
DaemonFCbut they don't carry them in my sizeAug 08 11:42
MinceRPJ's not in love with her hypePhone anymore?Aug 08 11:43
MinceRDaemonFC: shoot themin the face.Aug 08 11:43
MinceRs/min/m in/Aug 08 11:43
DaemonFCthe Kull Warriors?Aug 08 11:46
DaemonFC:PAug 08 11:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Maybe the end of #wave wasn't such bad news after all? #freesoftware http://fsmsh.com/3382 #googleAug 08 11:46
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MinceRDaemonFC: that "someone wearing a suit of Dragon Skin armor"Aug 08 11:47
DaemonFCrightAug 08 11:48
DaemonFCthat might be a challenge :)Aug 08 11:48
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXX92tM1s0Aug 08 11:49
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DaemonFC:DAug 08 11:49
schestowitzMinceR: http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1Aug 08 11:50
schestowitz"[PJ: So, an alternative to Google Wave we could use for doing PDFs as text and then HTML? What do you think?] "Aug 08 11:50
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I like Dr. RushAug 08 11:50
schestowitzYes, Groklaw has been wanting to go with Google for discussion.. since they introduced itAug 08 11:50
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 11:50
schestowitzI don't trust WaveAug 08 11:50
schestowitzIt's like talking to GoogleAug 08 11:50
schestowitz[oh, to some people too]Aug 08 11:50
schestowitzTechrights is mostly IRC nowAug 08 11:51
schestowitzReal time, no GoogleAug 08 11:51
schestowitzWe made blog comments subs-onlyAug 08 11:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fsmag it's not bad news. We don't need Google to control IM too/mail tooAug 08 11:51
schestowitzJudas_PhD: hiAug 08 11:52
schestowitzSay somethingAug 08 11:52
DaemonFCSyFy Channel got conned into making the SGU site from SilverlightAug 08 11:53
DaemonFCwell, part of it anywayAug 08 11:53
DaemonFCthe latest Moonlight plug-in can finally load the "Photosynth" sectionAug 08 11:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] HP CEO Mark Hurd Resigns After Sexual Harassment Accusations http://ur1.ca/116nf Can they ever have a non-scandalous CEO at HP?Aug 08 11:56
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DaemonFChahaAug 08 11:57
schestowitz"@schestowitz Banshee is getting sound menu hooks, but AFAIK should not replace rhythmbox in the standard edition." http://identi.ca/conversation/45108200#notice-45444609Aug 08 11:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nicholas Negroponte: The Physical Book Is Dead In 5 Years http://ur1.ca/116ol been having this discussion todayAug 08 12:01
TechrightsBotTitle:   Nicholas Negroponte: The Physical Book Is Dead In 5 Years  .::. Size~: 133.56 KBAug 08 12:01
schestowitz"[PJ: Maybe they will investigate why Linux articles disappear as well.]"Aug 08 12:02
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/kevinrose/status/20425643104Aug 08 12:02
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter / Kevin Rose: focused on launching digg  ... .::. Size~: 11.87 KBAug 08 12:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Groklaw re Digg being gamed: "Maybe they will investigate why #Linux articles disappear as well." context @ http://ur1.ca/10v6bAug 08 12:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It is beginning to look as though there is also fraud at HP. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?blogid=150&entry_id=69602Aug 08 12:05
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I tested out LightsparkAug 08 12:07
DaemonFCit's not much better than GNASHAug 08 12:07
DaemonFCit loads Youtube and most flash adsAug 08 12:07
DaemonFCbut not much elseAug 08 12:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Hieroglyph Plugin for WordPress - http://bit.ly/9SwmLS "will release it as open source code when it is finished". cool #hieroglyphs #pluginAug 08 12:08
TechrightsBotTitle: News from the Valley of the Kings: Hieroglyph Plugin for WordPress .::. Size~: 72.35 KBAug 08 12:08
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_MIZHW6JCsAug 08 12:12
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *The Boondocks Fried Chicken Flu Adult Swim Promo,&lrm; .::. Size~: 93.87 KBAug 08 12:12
MinceRhave you tried swfdec?Aug 08 12:12
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWspbjVhTkA&feature=relatedAug 08 12:13
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Boondocks Episode #13 Preview "Hush,Its Obama" | Boondocksbootleg.com,&lrm; .::. Size~: 95.13 KBAug 08 12:13
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 12:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Network admin Terry Childs gets 4-year sentence http://ur1.ca/116rw Not telling passwords = worse than theft/fraud?Aug 08 12:13
TechrightsBotTitle: Network admin Terry Childs gets 4-year sentence - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 44.26 KBAug 08 12:13
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRNCpD3xhsYAug 08 12:17
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Boondocks - 'White' Heaven,&lrm; .::. Size~: 94.26 KBAug 08 12:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] @schestowitz I agree with that. But, Wave was actually also released as a free protocol... not everything Google does is bad (nor good!)Aug 08 12:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google denies abandoning #netneutrality http://ur1.ca/116sg let's hope it's trueAug 08 12:17
TechrightsBotTitle: Google: We still back Net neutrality - Computerworld .::. Size~: 82.28 KBAug 08 12:17
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1-zHF8DiA&NR=1Aug 08 12:19
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *uncle ruckuses racist words of wisdom,&lrm; .::. Size~: 93.36 KBAug 08 12:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Verizon also denies that the #netneutrality story is true (Google smear) http://ur1.ca/116sp #nyt #fud #failAug 08 12:20
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DaemonFC"The nigger will lie, the nigger will make excuses, the nigger will use words he don't really know!"Aug 08 12:21
DaemonFC:PAug 08 12:21
DaemonFC"Is this what you nigga's put on your feet these days? I'm black, I ain't walkin' on the moon, I'm walkin' to the liquor store!"Aug 08 12:23
DaemonFC"Well, I'm black now, so the first thing I did was quit all my jobs"Aug 08 12:23
DaemonFClolAug 08 12:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: shut your trapAug 08 12:25
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzc2d1r5NwU&feature=relatedAug 08 12:25
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Uncle Ruckus on racial slurs,&lrm; .::. Size~: 83.39 KBAug 08 12:25
DaemonFCheheAug 08 12:25
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4mxqzC9Xus&feature=relatedAug 08 12:27
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Uncle Ruckus Nigga Sits Riley and Huey,&lrm; .::. Size~: 79.5 KBAug 08 12:27
DaemonFCI love that showAug 08 12:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Video: police officers filmed smashing up pensioner's car - http://bit.ly/9XTspl British policing at its finest (via @PoliceStateUK)Aug 08 12:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Video: Video: police officers filmed smashing up pensioner's car - Telegraph .::. Size~: 43.41 KBAug 08 12:30
DaemonFCschestowitz, I have my DVR set to catch itAug 08 12:31
DaemonFCactually, Adult Swim overall rocksAug 08 12:31
DaemonFCbut Boondocks is the best thing to get picked up by it in a whileAug 08 12:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] In Family Guy S06E06 there is a pair of *Portuguese* who're actually speaking with brazillian accent #casting #failAug 08 14:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] There's a World Sauna competition now? http://bit.ly/cnS3npAug 08 14:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Now repeat after me children 'Bill Gates is a GOD' http://bit.ly/aKxGXDAug 08 14:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz it's been an elegant corpse since the late 1990sAug 08 14:38
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DaemonFCJail Fried Jail!Aug 08 14:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] E-books article drinking game http://bookavore.tumblr.com/post/871178080/e-books-article-drinking-gameAug 08 14:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] cellphone battery zero :( No charger near around. Why don't these Mobile phone comes with mechanical chargerAug 08 14:56
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oiaohmhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100807112235763  Boy You cannot keep a bad company down.Aug 08 15:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is my 20,000th dent. I began in February 17th, 2009Aug 08 16:05
schestowitzhttp://www.freshinfo.com/index.php?s=n&ss=nd&sid=51885&s_txt=&s_date=0&ms==0&ntype=nws "Bill & Melissa Gates Foundation"Aug 08 16:07
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I did pick up an analog headset/microphone at Walmart last nightAug 08 16:14
DaemonFCthat USB one has never worked rightAug 08 16:14
schestowitzhttp://vietnamnews.vnagency.com.vn/Social-Isssues/Education/202091/Plan-to-boost-computer-literacy.htmlAug 08 16:14
schestowitzBill is attacking VietnamAug 08 16:14
schestowitzThey move to FOSSAug 08 16:15
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schestowitzSo he's attackingAug 08 16:15
schestowitzWith MicrosoftAug 08 16:15
DaemonFCand they set the max volume to comply with some Euro nanny state nonsenseAug 08 16:15
DaemonFCin the device firmware no lessAug 08 16:15
DaemonFCso no OS could override itAug 08 16:15
Chips_B_MalroyHi Roy and DaemonFC, allAug 08 16:16
DaemonFCif the volume is uncomfortable, turn it downAug 08 16:16
DaemonFCif you're a dumbass, leave it up and go deafAug 08 16:16
DaemonFCwhy does the EU have to interfere?Aug 08 16:16
Chips_B_MalroyRoy> I have some interesting news that might impact Moonlight/SilverlightAug 08 16:16
DaemonFCmorningAug 08 16:17
Chips_B_MalroyIt seems that MS was going port to Intel's Linux its own Silverlight version, but that never came aboutAug 08 16:17
Chips_B_MalroyBut now, it seems that Android is fast overtaking about everything, and Netflix is going make its own Andriod software to play their movies there.Aug 08 16:18
Chips_B_MalroyNot sure if Netflix software is a Silverlight port, or more likely just Java with DRMAug 08 16:19
Chips_B_MalroyAndroid the Intel version can be run in Virtualbox within Linux Aug 08 16:20
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://mashable.com/2010/08/07/netflix-android-app/Aug 08 16:21
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Chips_B_Malroy"As The Next Web notes, there is already an unofficial Netflix app for Android phones, but it leaves a lot to be desired because it eats up your handset?s battery and displays a lot of ads, so an official app would be very welcome."Aug 08 16:21
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/08/08/netflix_streaming_finally_headed_to_androidAug 08 16:22
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://wwwery.com/5093-netflix-android-app-in-the-works-yes-confirms-netflix-employee.htmlAug 08 16:22
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DaemonFChehAug 08 16:24
DaemonFCthe driver for my camera no longer smudges thingsAug 08 16:24
Chips_B_MalroyBlockbuster already has an Android app, that will let you download/watch paid movies, not sure if its the same as what they have using MS DRM as it costs $3.99 pwr movieAug 08 16:24
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://mobiputing.com/2010/08/blockbuster-app-lets-you-download-watch-movies-on-your-android-phone/Aug 08 16:24
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367373,00.aspAug 08 16:25
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schestowitz[16:21] <TechrightsBot> Title: Netflix Streaming Is Coming to Your Android Phone [APP] .::. Size~: 85.35 KBAug 08 16:26
schestowitzSeen thatAug 08 16:26
schestowitzAndroid is the 'new Linux'Aug 08 16:26
schestowitzIn some sensesAug 08 16:26
Chips_B_MalroyNow the unofficial port of Netflix Android requires version 2.1.  Aug 08 16:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: stick to the topic, pleaseAug 08 16:26
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: BIllG is revving up his attack on LinuxAug 08 16:26
schestowitzThis is criminal stuffAug 08 16:27
schestowitzThis lobbyist harms other countriesAug 08 16:27
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/leonie-haimson/the-most-dangerous-man-in_b_641832.htmlAug 08 16:27
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schestowitz[Gates]Aug 08 16:27
schestowitzProbably means "World", not "America"Aug 08 16:28
schestowitzI'm surprised IBM isn't called "Paranoid" for pointing the finger at Microsoft after antitrustAug 08 16:28
schestowitzGoogle tooAug 08 16:28
Chips_B_MalroyYes, but is it possible, that this could be ported to Linux from Android?  Its most likely Java, could it be backward engined?  Or just run in Virtualbox?  I am running the intel live cd in v1.6 r2 of Android in Virtualbox with internet access no problem.Aug 08 16:28
schestowitzWith the whole Japan thignAug 08 16:28
schestowitzAntitrust/J-FTCAug 08 16:28
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Moblin is deadAug 08 16:28
schestowitzNo word since 2009 about Silver Lie for itAug 08 16:28
schestowitzBut Silver Lie gets no word, eitherAug 08 16:29
schestowitzIt's dead in the waterAug 08 16:29
DaemonFCMiguel likes itAug 08 16:29
DaemonFCyou can make zomg desktop widgets with itAug 08 16:30
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 16:30
Chips_B_MalroyWhat is interesting with this is Moonlight sole reason to exsist is Netflix/Blockbuster streaming.  Without that lockin for Silverlight, Mono/moonlight has no reason to live.  And Moonlight can never run Netflix because of the DRM anyway.Aug 08 16:30
DaemonFChmmm, so wait a secondAug 08 16:32
Chips_B_MalroyLinux users are only interested in Moonlight as a means to run Netflix streaming movies, which it fails at.  But the Android way may provide the best option for Linux users.Aug 08 16:32
DaemonFCMicrosoft licenses the codec pack to be used in a web browserAug 08 16:32
DaemonFCright?Aug 08 16:32
DaemonFCWhat's stopping you from making a Moonlight desklet that plays music files but has a built in mini browser that pulls up lyrics or Wikipedia info in the player?Aug 08 16:33
Chips_B_MalroyWe do not know if the Android unofficial Netflix streaming app uses any MS codecsAug 08 16:33
DaemonFCthen you still fall under the "in a web browser" license to use Microsoft's codecsAug 08 16:33
DaemonFCtechnically that makes the media player a web browserAug 08 16:34
Chips_B_Malroyand we don't know if that android app uses Silverlight, it could all be written in JavaAug 08 16:34
DaemonFCthe Netflix site only uses Silverlight as an overglorified MPEG playerAug 08 16:35
DaemonFCwith DRMAug 08 16:35
DaemonFCyou can get that from FlashAug 08 16:35
Chips_B_Malroyyes, most likely it has to play wmv files, so the codecs is a good point, DaemonFCAug 08 16:35
DaemonFCright, so write your media player in MoonlightAug 08 16:35
Chips_B_Malroyanother good point, maybe they are using Flash somehowAug 08 16:35
DaemonFCand use the codecs from MicrosoftAug 08 16:35
DaemonFCbut call it your "media web browser"Aug 08 16:35
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 16:35
DaemonFCand you're still covered under the codec licenseAug 08 16:36
schestowitzLastest intl' PR: vAug 08 16:36
schestowitzhttp://www.breakingmoneynews.com/the-worlds-richest-people-mull-giving-away-fortunes/007369Aug 08 16:36
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DaemonFCthey never said the web browser couldn't load media playlistsAug 08 16:36
Chips_B_MalroyThere is an Android 2.0 intel version on cd for the eeepc availableAug 08 16:36
DaemonFCor that it couldn't load files from the local disk driveAug 08 16:36
Chips_B_Malroyand Intel has ported the files for Android 2.2 already, those files can be downloaded, but I have not seen it put into a live or install cd image yet.Aug 08 16:37
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, That still doesn't get them past DRM, but then again, it doesAug 08 16:37
DaemonFCbecause they can implement some kind of check to make sure you're using their playerAug 08 16:38
DaemonFCand if you are, send the stream without Silverlight DRMAug 08 16:38
Chips_B_Malroyobviously, someone already has got past all the DRM Aug 08 16:38
Chips_B_Malroyunofficail Android appAug 08 16:38
DaemonFCwell, what I mean is that you could implement a Netflix app in MoonlightAug 08 16:38
Chips_B_Malroyalready out thereAug 08 16:38
DaemonFCand just use your own DRMAug 08 16:38
Chips_B_Malroybut why would we want to use moonlight?Aug 08 16:39
DaemonFCmaybe you wouldn'tAug 08 16:39
DaemonFCmost people are ignorantAug 08 16:39
DaemonFCthey push a button, it worksAug 08 16:39
Chips_B_Malroywouldn't Java be better?Aug 08 16:39
DaemonFCthey're happy until something eats all their files and spams their email contacts with porn and wormsAug 08 16:39
Chips_B_MalroyMoonlight is at best, second hand buggie software that trys to copy Silverlight, is always far behind, and dosen't work for NetflixAug 08 16:40
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, There's a guy I know up in Ft Wayne that I talk to over Yahoo (on Pidgin)Aug 08 16:41
Chips_B_MalroyThe app for Netflix is suppose to reg to the phoneAug 08 16:41
DaemonFChis PC got infected with an IM spamming wormAug 08 16:41
Chips_B_Malroyso should work in Virtualbox, is my thinkingAug 08 16:41
DaemonFCit would log in whenever he was away for a few minutes and start sending viagra and porn spam to his contact listAug 08 16:41
DaemonFCincluding meAug 08 16:41
DaemonFCand offer copies of itselfAug 08 16:41
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC>  Windows Messinger (IM) is the worse one for malwareAug 08 16:42
DaemonFCYahoo is actually worseAug 08 16:42
Chips_B_MalroyI used to disable it right away in XP when I used to run thatAug 08 16:42
DaemonFCWindows Live Messenger lets you tick a box to disable file transfers for executable file typesAug 08 16:43
DaemonFCand set it to virus scan everything you transferAug 08 16:43
DaemonFCYahoo doesn't have thatAug 08 16:43
DaemonFCalso, WLM is set by default to ignore messages from anyone not on your contact listAug 08 16:43
Chips_B_MalroyWindows messinger would also have popups when not using itAug 08 16:43
DaemonFCYahoo isn'tAug 08 16:43
DaemonFC127.0.0.1 rad.msn.comAug 08 16:44
DaemonFCheheAug 08 16:44
Chips_B_MalroyAnyway, the Android ports or complete rewrites in Java (possibliy Java) I found interesting.  They could make Mono/Moonlight totally a worthless effort, which really it is anyway.Aug 08 16:45
DaemonFCthere's so many backdoors in WindowsAug 08 16:45
DaemonFCif anyone knew how many things connected to Microsoft servers and sent encrypted dataAug 08 16:45
DaemonFCthey'd freak outAug 08 16:45
Chips_B_Malroyyes, I had a host file that blocked it all MS sites at one time, thinking it was 67k of text files, but don't quote me on this one.Aug 08 16:46
DaemonFCif you use "recommended settings" on Windows and a program crashes, it sends a memory dump to Microsoft without asking you or offering to show you what's in the reportAug 08 16:46
DaemonFCthat's always kind of scared meAug 08 16:46
Chips_B_MalroyI used TweakIUE (spelling. a ms app), SafeXP, and XPantispy, to stop a bunch of that crap in windows.Aug 08 16:47
DaemonFCFedora's bug reporter will not let you submit an error report until you check a box that says you've looked over the data and are satisfied there's no confidential information in itAug 08 16:48
DaemonFCand the display window is also an editor that lets you redact the sensitive data before submitting the reportAug 08 16:49
DaemonFCso Fedora is obviously concerned that you might submit sensitive info and won't let YOU agree to send any to themAug 08 16:49
DaemonFCwhich I think is niceAug 08 16:49
Chips_B_MalroyMS has never cared about the privacy of its users.  Which is why I find it so hypicritical of MS when they attack Google for privacy concerns, as MS is the biggest exploiter.Aug 08 16:50
DaemonFCUbuntu's bug reporter doesn't nag the user to make sure they aren't sending sensitive infoAug 08 16:50
DaemonFCI bleached my shoesAug 08 16:51
DaemonFCand I can still smell the bleach :PAug 08 16:52
Chips_B_MalroyAnyway, it is possible that the Android netflix app could spell doom for Mono/MoonlightAug 08 16:52
DaemonFCmaybe maybe notAug 08 16:52
DaemonFCif anything it just means a win for FlashAug 08 16:52
Chips_B_Malroyyes, Moonlight could continue on as another ZombieAug 08 16:52
DaemonFCsince HTML 5 doesn't have DRM, Netflix already said they won't use thatAug 08 16:52
DaemonFCSilverlight is not cross platformAug 08 16:53
DaemonFCFlash isAug 08 16:53
DaemonFCabout the only platform keeping Flash off of it is the hypedevicesAug 08 16:53
DaemonFCbut those don't run Silverlight eitherAug 08 16:53
Chips_B_MalroyI thought Java, cause Android is Linux kernel with mostly Java apps.  But you might be onto something, as Android has Flash too.Aug 08 16:54
Chips_B_Malroywhich might take care of the DRM and codecs as wellAug 08 16:54
DaemonFCrightAug 08 16:55
DaemonFCand Java isn't hardware acceleratedAug 08 16:55
DaemonFCFlash can beAug 08 16:55
DaemonFCJobs lied through his teethAug 08 16:55
Chips_B_MalroyNetflix is not important to me.  There are plenty of other sites to get your stuff from if you want it that way.Aug 08 16:55
DaemonFCFlash doesn't HAVE to be a battery hog, I rather think that Apple just didn't want to make their hardware accelerated video API known to anyone elseAug 08 16:56
Chips_B_MalroyMe, I would rather go get the plastic disk.Aug 08 16:56
DaemonFCI'm not against DRM if you agreed that you were only going to be "renting the content"Aug 08 16:56
DaemonFCI am against DRM when they DRM something and then try to "sell" it to youAug 08 16:56
Chips_B_MalroyI am against DRM, periodAug 08 16:57
DaemonFCsaying there's DRM in something you're buying is a contradictionAug 08 16:57
DaemonFCBlockbuster sells DRM'd WMV files at DVD pricesAug 08 16:57
DaemonFCand says you "own" the movieAug 08 16:57
DaemonFCno you don'tAug 08 16:57
DaemonFCBlockbuster won't be around foreverAug 08 16:58
DaemonFCthat licensing server won't be there in a few yearsAug 08 16:58
DaemonFCthen what do you have? nothingAug 08 16:58
DaemonFCI'll go set that $20 on fire insteadAug 08 16:58
DaemonFCI still end up with the same outcome eventuallyAug 08 16:58
Chips_B_MalroyBut still, having an end run around Silverlight on Android, might be a way for Linux as well.  The only lock out at that point is regristraing it to the phone.  Which can probably be done inside of Android running in VirtualboxAug 08 16:59
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, Interestingly, the binary codecs from Fluendo support WMV HDAug 08 16:59
DaemonFCwhich I used, onceAug 08 16:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/opinion/08cringeley.html?_r=1Aug 08 16:59
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DaemonFCto pipe the Terminator 2 Extreme Edition WMV-HD disc through GstreamerAug 08 17:00
Chips_B_MalroyMS has licenced its wmv codec to manyAug 08 17:00
DaemonFCyeah, regular WMV has a gstreamer codec Aug 08 17:01
DaemonFCand it's in FFMPEGAug 08 17:01
DaemonFCand it's in VLCAug 08 17:01
DaemonFCit's not licensed (who cares?)Aug 08 17:01
Chips_B_Malroyand, it can always be ported to a repo, in a country without software patentsAug 08 17:01
DaemonFCbut it can't play WMV-HDAug 08 17:01
Chips_B_Malroyit will soonAug 08 17:01
DaemonFCwhen I download a Windows Media codec, it's never so I can play a stack of Windows Media files I createdAug 08 17:01
DaemonFCit's so I can view other people's files and transcode a copy if I want oneAug 08 17:02
DaemonFCMicrosoft doomed their decent quality Windows Media codecs to failureAug 08 17:03
schestowitzdecent?Aug 08 17:03
schestowitzTo whom?Aug 08 17:03
DaemonFCWMA 10 Pro isn't terribleAug 08 17:03
DaemonFCit just doesn't play back on anythingAug 08 17:03
DaemonFCunless you have a Zune'Aug 08 17:03
Chips_B_Malroyone of the links I should have quoted, an Netflix employee (we think employee) said basically that Netflix has watched the rise of Android and would be crazy not to port movies to the Android.Aug 08 17:04
DaemonFCit'll be FlashAug 08 17:04
Chips_B_MalroyAs Android is taking over so much shareAug 08 17:04
DaemonFCdoes Mono even run on Android?Aug 08 17:04
DaemonFCI mean REALLY?Aug 08 17:05
Chips_B_MalroyFlash, you probably right, makes senseAug 08 17:05
Chips_B_Malroywho cares if mono runs on anything?Aug 08 17:05
DaemonFCMiguel is still insisting that Nono-Touch for the hypephone is going to happenAug 08 17:05
Chips_B_Malroymaybe Mark ShuttlesworthAug 08 17:05
DaemonFCand still wasting his time on itAug 08 17:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer thanks. Very handy for a post I have as draft now.Aug 08 17:05
DaemonFCschestowitz, You should register go-nono.comAug 08 17:06
DaemonFCit's only one letter offAug 08 17:06
DaemonFCit would be a great typosquatAug 08 17:06
Chips_B_MalroyIts not a waste of time for Miguel, if Novell pays his paycheck from MS funding.  For him its a livelyhood.  Its just that simple.Aug 08 17:06
DaemonFCI mean, yeah, you're rightAug 08 17:07
DaemonFChe probably knows he's wasting the work towards a dead endAug 08 17:07
DaemonFCbut wouldn't you do pointless work if you were being well paid?Aug 08 17:07
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 17:07
DaemonFCthere's no sense in arguing that something that keeps you gainfully employed for the next few years is a waste of timeAug 08 17:08
DaemonFClet them figure that out after they already paid youAug 08 17:08
DaemonFC:DAug 08 17:08
Chips_B_MalroyMoonlight is the killer app, except it isn't, because the only thing Linux users want it for are to play Netflix streaming movies, and maybe blockbuster.  Which Moonlight will not do.  Mono only reason to exsist is to provide the base for Moonlight, so both are really failures as far as the average user.Aug 08 17:09
DaemonFCwell, the practical problem with Mono is that the Mono Project doesn't steer where .NET goesAug 08 17:09
DaemonFConly Microsoft can do that because .NET is not a standardAug 08 17:10
DaemonFCthey have to take what Microsoft defines as .NET first and foremoseAug 08 17:10
DaemonFC*foremostAug 08 17:10
DaemonFCand then tack on anything they want after the factAug 08 17:10
Chips_B_MalroyMS only wants Moonlight so that Linux users will play advertisements that MS will be paid for.Aug 08 17:10
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Chips_B_MalroyIts the same with adobe and the whack a mole flash advertisements.  Except Adobe Flash on Linux has premo content, Moonlight is a desert for Linux, with few if any premo content, only anoing advertisementsAug 08 17:13
Chips_B_MalroyMono/Moonlight is a lost cause.  Only Cannonical has not seen that yet.Aug 08 17:14
Chips_B_MalroyNovell is a whore to MS moneyAug 08 17:15
Chips_B_MalroyThat is their motovation.Aug 08 17:16
DaemonFCbetween NoScript, Adblock Plus, LSO object deletion on Firefox open and close (BetterPrivacy) and setting all cookies to be session cookies...Aug 08 17:16
DaemonFCI don't have to put up with many annoyancesAug 08 17:16
schestowitz[17:06] <Chips_B_Malroy> Its not a waste of time for Miguel, if Novell pays his paycheck from MS funding.  For him its a livelyhood.  Its just that simple.Aug 08 17:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wealthy overpaid man with secure job tells people they're to blame for all their problems and to do as they're told. http://is.gd/e8P0UAug 08 17:16
TechrightsBotTitle:  Top GP condemns Britons for recklessly neglecting their health | Society | The Observer  .::. Size~: 196.89 KBAug 08 17:17
DaemonFCI also globally banned the most annoying javascript optionsAug 08 17:17
schestowitzWhen Novell is sold Microsoft will hire the monkeysAug 08 17:17
DaemonFCeven in sites that I allow scripts onAug 08 17:17
Chips_B_Malroy<schestowitz> When Novell is sold Microsoft will hire the monkeys"  Or Canonical, or AccessAug 08 17:17
DaemonFCscripting is not only annoying, and a privacy violation, but badly written scripts can cause the browser to stall out and crashAug 08 17:18
DaemonFCit's better to use NoScriptAug 08 17:18
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: monkey=monoAug 08 17:18
Chips_B_MalroyyesAug 08 17:18
DaemonFCpop unders are making it past Firefox and Adblock Plus nowAug 08 17:18
DaemonFCwhich was my main motivation for using NoScriptAug 08 17:18
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I don't know what you want from CanonicalAug 08 17:18
schestowitzCanonical has some bright people from Debian, Mono is sometimes pushed into it _from outside_Aug 08 17:19
DaemonFCCanonical is the next NovellAug 08 17:19
Chips_B_MalroyI want them to give up Mono, remove it.Aug 08 17:19
schestowitzUse FedoraAug 08 17:19
DaemonFCMicrosoft is already grooming themAug 08 17:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: they have no swpatsAug 08 17:19
schestowitzSo they can't be NovellAug 08 17:19
Chips_B_Malroywell, I don;t really use Ubuntu anywayAug 08 17:19
schestowitzNor Lispire (no patents, no users)Aug 08 17:19
schestowitz*LinsAug 08 17:19
Chips_B_MalroyBut I do think it hurts the communityAug 08 17:19
schestowitzIn Soviet Russia, Ubuntu uses YOUAug 08 17:20
DaemonFCschestowitz, Microsoft will set something up where Ubuntu gets a lot of Microsoft money for publicly embarrassing LinuxAug 08 17:20
DaemonFCand admitting that Microsoft's patents are validAug 08 17:20
Chips_B_MalroyMono is like the sickness it was named afterAug 08 17:20
DaemonFCand on the surface, it will look like Canonical has bought a patent licenseAug 08 17:20
schestowitzDaemonFC: noAug 08 17:20
schestowitzShuttleworth is not McBrideAug 08 17:20
DaemonFCschestowitz, I bribe you for $100 million, then you pay me $10 million for a patent licenseAug 08 17:20
DaemonFCthat's how they'll do thatAug 08 17:20
schestowitzMicrosoft would never break the law :-SAug 08 17:21
Chips_B_MalroyheheAug 08 17:21
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/08/microsoft_salesforce_settle_suit.htmlAug 08 17:21
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft, Salesforce settle suits .::. Size~: 52.95 KBAug 08 17:21
schestowitz"Seattle"Aug 08 17:21
schestowitzGittallove sneaky languageAug 08 17:21
schestowitzExtortedAug 08 17:21
schestowitzSettling in seattleAug 08 17:22
schestowitzWith a baseball batAug 08 17:22
schestowitzDe Vito: "oh, let's settle this" *grabs batAug 08 17:22
schestowitzhttp://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3897286/MicrosoftSalesforce+Deal+Who+Won.htmAug 08 17:22
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft-Salesforce Deal: Who Won? - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 136.16 KBAug 08 17:22
schestowitzAt least the Microsoft apologists run out of materialAug 08 17:22
schestowitzPretending that Microsoft patents for 'defensive' purposesAug 08 17:23
Chips_B_Malroy"Aug 08 17:23
Chips_B_MalroyFound an Intel port of Android all setup as live cd and installer. For myself, just running the live cd iso in Virtualbox on my laptop an Acer 1640 is enough. Have not tried the install to hd, or post installation of software.Aug 08 17:23
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.android-x86.org/downloadAug 08 17:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Download - Android-x86 - Porting Android to x86  .::. Size~: 63.29 KBAug 08 17:23
Chips_B_Malroyandroid 1.6 r2Aug 08 17:24
schestowitzLooking at the past week's headline matching "Zune", there is not a single one. With "KIN" over (code overlap), Zune is on its death throes and Microsoft can only plan/time the announcement of its deathAug 08 17:24
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC | Windows Live Messenger lets you tick a box to disable file transfers for executable file typesAug 08 17:25
schestowitzFamous last wordsAug 08 17:25
schestowitz"You smell gas?"Aug 08 17:25
FurnaceBoy^^ DaemonFC you see how stupid that is?Aug 08 17:25
schestowitz"watch out!"Aug 08 17:25
schestowitz"ZUNE!"Aug 08 17:25
Chips_B_MalroyZune is a Zombie, its dead but keeps crawlingAug 08 17:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's a perfect example of MS carelessness with anything to do with the userAug 08 17:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they really don't give a sh1tAug 08 17:26
Chips_B_Malroytaking up self life is what Zune doesAug 08 17:26
schestowitzhttp://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/05/microsoft-still-updating-kin-phones-on-the-downlow-with-twitter-features/Aug 08 17:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft quietly updates Verizon KIN phones' Twitter app .::. Size~: 57.91 KBAug 08 17:26
schestowitzLOLAug 08 17:26
schestowitzAll users are happyAug 08 17:26
schestowitzBoth of themAug 08 17:26
schestowitzhttp://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/04/microsoft-windows-mobile-drops-to-single-digit-market-share/Aug 08 17:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Windows Mobile hits 9% - wait for Windows Phone 7 .::. Size~: 61.69 KBAug 08 17:27
Chips_B_MalroyWonder what MS will do with all those returned Kin phone that would not sell?  Use them to plug up landfills in Africa?  Or reflash them with WP7 and give them to employees.Aug 08 17:28
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer should be the first employee to dog food his own WP7 Aug 08 17:31
ThistleWebgifts to foreign govt officials to turn a blind eye to calls for change away from MS productsAug 08 17:31
Chips_B_Malroymaybe if he had used Kin, it would have never been releasedAug 08 17:31
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/202623/touch_mouse_microsofts_mystery_product.htmlAug 08 17:31
TechrightsBotTitle: Touch Mouse, Microsoft's Mystery Product? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 75.27 KBAug 08 17:31
schestowitzowwwwwwwwwwww...Aug 08 17:31
schestowitzmystery!!Aug 08 17:32
ThistleWebor to "graciously extend" the free phones to the MVPs not just MS employees to say thanksAug 08 17:32
schestowitz[17:28] <Chips_B_Malroy> Wonder what MS will do with all those returned Kin phone that would not sell?  Use them to plug up landfills in Africa?  Or reflash them with WP7 and give them to employees.Aug 08 17:32
schestowitzThey all fit in one happy amnesty binAug 08 17:32
schestowitzAll of themAug 08 17:32
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 08 17:32
schestowitzAnd the hypepod's one is empty anywyaAug 08 17:32
Chips_B_Malroythat bin, would it be the compactor bin?Aug 08 17:33
schestowitzBurn it up... inhale the poison at RedmondAug 08 17:33
schestowitzOne last highAug 08 17:33
schestowitz"Hey, Charlie, what sh** are you on"?Aug 08 17:33
schestowitzCharlie: "KIN!"Aug 08 17:33
schestowitzKIN is smallAug 08 17:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: haah, i was thinking the same.Aug 08 17:34
schestowitzOne amnesty bin would have capacity for thousandsAug 08 17:34
schestowitzIt's good that Microsoft designed them so smallAug 08 17:34
Chips_B_MalroyI have to wonder, if Ballmer has actually ever used any MS products at all?  With products like Vista and the Kin being released.Aug 08 17:34
schestowitzIt's easy to get rid of themAug 08 17:34
schestowitzShame about the Chinese kids that had to build themAug 08 17:34
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: you can be pretty sure he runs Windows.Aug 08 17:34
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: but you have to think about him differentlyAug 08 17:34
schestowitzWhipped for making kins too slowly... assemblageAug 08 17:34
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: he doesn't care about excellenceAug 08 17:34
schestowitzNever mind the kidAug 08 17:34
schestowitzSorryAug 08 17:34
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: he has no tasteAug 08 17:34
schestowitzI should not bring this upAug 08 17:35
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: he';s a common thugAug 08 17:35
schestowitzAt least I don't put up photos of facesAug 08 17:35
schestowitzKIN-made by kidAug 08 17:35
schestowitzSupposedly for kids, says MicrosoftAug 08 17:35
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: don't forget, in the Ballmer household, his kids were prohibited from touching Apple productsAug 08 17:35
schestowitzMicrosoft could find kids to build them, not to buy theseAug 08 17:35
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: which really encapsulates why Microsoft deserve, and will failAug 08 17:35
schestowitznew: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=2881Aug 08 17:36
TechrightsBotTitle: TechRepublic Blogs: For IT professionals, by IT professionals .::. Size~: 77.69 KBAug 08 17:36
schestowitz"Poll: Should Microsoft fire Steve Ballmer?"Aug 08 17:36
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: we should think of Ballmer a bit like Tony HaywardAug 08 17:36
Chips_B_Malroy<FurnaceBoy> Chips_B_Malroy: don't forget, in the Ballmer household, his kids were prohibited from touching Apple products"  Well thats Ballmer's other problem, he most likely never uses MS products before they are released, and never tries the competitions products either, to see how far behind MS is and where they need to catch up.Aug 08 17:37
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: damage control.. dirty deals.. death squads.. Aug 08 17:37
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: right, but he doesn't even care.Aug 08 17:37
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: it illustrates the fundamental precept that MS isn't about technology and never has beenAug 08 17:38
Chips_B_MalroyWhich is why he is such a great CEO at MS, for Linux that is.Aug 08 17:38
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: yes, Microsoft tends to alienate that group who care about quality and getting stuff done, and done well.Aug 08 17:38
*_Goblin (~goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovellAug 08 17:39
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20012322-94.htmlAug 08 17:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Android smartphone shipments surge 886 percent | Wireless - CNET News .::. Size~: 149.99 KBAug 08 17:39
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: that Dilbert was great -- the only thing worth looking at on Humphrey's stupid, sophomoric article.Aug 08 17:39
FurnaceBoy"Microsoft: it's crap, and you can't fix it. Linux: no limits."Aug 08 17:39
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: why insult Tony?Aug 08 17:39
schestowitz"Phat Tony"Aug 08 17:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: LOLAug 08 17:39
schestowitzDon't compare him to monstersAug 08 17:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I want to have a beer with you some time.Aug 08 17:39
schestowitzSure...Aug 08 17:40
Chips_B_MalroyMS has probably lost more than 5% of its Desktop Market share during Ballmer's watch, a fact that few bloggers will write aboutAug 08 17:40
schestowitzWhen you're in the UKAug 08 17:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you're never on the continent?Aug 08 17:40
schestowitzI was in Canada 7 years agoAug 08 17:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: nah, i mean europeAug 08 17:40
schestowitzMet this girl...Aug 08 17:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: hahahaAug 08 17:40
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: sometimesAug 08 17:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: any time soon?Aug 08 17:40
schestowitzDon't know yetAug 08 17:40
schestowitzI'm very computer-boundAug 08 17:41
Chips_B_MalroyLook me up if you get here RoyAug 08 17:41
FurnaceBoymakes you sound like HawkingAug 08 17:41
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: OK, ythanksAug 08 17:41
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: you in .ca ?Aug 08 17:41
schestowitzI'm meeting _Goblin next weekAug 08 17:41
Chips_B_MalroyVegasAug 08 17:41
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: okAug 08 17:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: speaking of Hawking. he made a thought provoking statement last week, did you see it?Aug 08 17:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: to my mind, it's very germane to discussions of Ballmer, Hayward type.Aug 08 17:42
schestowitzHe's literally computer-boundAug 08 17:42
FurnaceBoyyes.Aug 08 17:42
FurnaceBoybut, you know, savants have charmAug 08 17:42
FurnaceBoyeven WolframAug 08 17:42
schestowitzI didn't see his remarkAug 08 17:42
schestowitzBut the whole Big Boys Club is in the news nowAug 08 17:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz:  lemme find it. it resonated with my own thinking over a long timeAug 08 17:43
schestowitzThose who rob the world want to also be heroesAug 08 17:43
schestowitzLike Nader saidAug 08 17:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: well, Hawking's statement was transhumanist.Aug 08 17:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and I am suspicious of these guysAug 08 17:43
schestowitzI have posts about them comingAug 08 17:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the transhumanist agenda often seems like a copoutAug 08 17:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and it's related to Mr Gates' deep psychosesAug 08 17:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: deepest plansAug 08 17:44
FurnaceBoyheheAug 08 17:44
schestowitzBill Napoleon Gates of HEavenAug 08 17:44
FurnaceBoythe Captain shall be first to desert the sinking shipAug 08 17:44
schestowitzHe's attacking Vietnam nowAug 08 17:44
FurnaceBoyLord of the FliesAug 08 17:44
schestowitzWith MicrosoftAug 08 17:44
schestowitzUsing his foundationAug 08 17:44
schestowitzI put a link earlierAug 08 17:44
schestowitzHe attacks LinuxAug 08 17:44
schestowitzANd then makes a cocky face to the camerasAug 08 17:45
FurnaceBoyyeah Nader was simply ahead of his time, like RMSAug 08 17:45
schestowitzhttp://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/08/report-android-coming-on-strong-in-race-against-iphone-and-blackberry/1Aug 08 17:45
TechrightsBotTitle: Report: Android coming on strong in race against iPhone and Blackberry - USATODAY.com .::. Size~: 26.14 KBAug 08 17:45
FurnaceBoyyet still acted. bet their lives on principle.Aug 08 17:46
FurnaceBoyMLK.Aug 08 17:46
Chips_B_MalroyWindows 8 will be more of the same Vista krap.  It will basically be 95% of the same code.  Vista/3Aug 08 17:46
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: of course.Aug 08 17:46
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: the tech doesn't matter.Aug 08 17:46
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: only the cash river mattersAug 08 17:46
Chips_B_MalroyAnd somewhere I read the same for Windows 9Aug 08 17:46
Chips_B_MalroyNo new OSAug 08 17:46
Chips_B_Malroywhich is good for LinuxAug 08 17:46
FurnaceBoywhy would they do any costly work? they got away with all the previous shit sandwichesAug 08 17:47
FurnaceBoynobody noticedAug 08 17:47
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/08/windows_phone_7s_first_fart_app_and_other_important_news.htmlAug 08 17:47
FurnaceBoythey wouldn't even know HOW, any moreAug 08 17:47
schestowitzI'm soldAug 08 17:47
Chips_B_MalroyMS is just milking the dieing Cow dry zunerAug 08 17:47
TechrightsBotTitle: First Windows Phone fart app, and other very important news .::. Size~: 63.12 KBAug 08 17:47
Chips_B_MalroySo MS is now promoting WP7 because of speech regoniztionAug 08 17:48
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: heheAug 08 17:48
schestowitzLike Nexus?Aug 08 17:48
schestowitzWhich failed BTWAug 08 17:48
Chips_B_Malroywhich has always been a faulty type of app anywayAug 08 17:48
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: they also promoted it for VistaAug 08 17:48
schestowitzNobody mentions it since 2007Aug 08 17:48
schestowitzVoice... *LOL*Aug 08 17:48
Chips_B_Malroyit willl be worse in wp7Aug 08 17:48
schestowitzBetter off typingAug 08 17:48
Chips_B_Malroythan desktop windowsAug 08 17:48
schestowitzLagAug 08 17:48
FurnaceBoyit's just a shiny thingAug 08 17:49
schestowitzNot that shinyAug 08 17:49
schestowitzThey need to kill in Congo for "shinny"Aug 08 17:49
FurnaceBoyto a magpie it's shiny!Aug 08 17:49
schestowitzShiiiny need some special rare elementsAug 08 17:49
Chips_B_Malroybut now its the big thing for wp7, only selling point they came come up with?Aug 08 17:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: so did you see the TIME cover yet?Aug 08 17:49
schestowitzThe death element or "conflict element"Aug 08 17:49
FurnaceBoyCONFLICT.Aug 08 17:49
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yes, it's deadAug 08 17:49
FurnaceBoyhahaAug 08 17:49
schestowitzThe TiME in the coffinAug 08 17:49
schestowitzand it has a coverAug 08 17:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and Newsweek, of course.Aug 08 17:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: organs of the partyAug 08 17:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the party we're not invited toAug 08 17:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the private partyAug 08 17:50
schestowitzconflict/instability in the region/escalation of violaceAug 08 17:50
Chips_B_MalroyIBM OS/2 Warp 4 had speech reconzition in it in 1998 or was it 1996Aug 08 17:50
schestowitz*lencceAug 08 17:50
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: Apple did it earlier than thatAug 08 17:50
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: on PPCAug 08 17:50
FurnaceBoyit's still in OS XAug 08 17:51
schestowitzTo hell with OS XAug 08 17:51
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 08 17:51
schestowitzFurnaceBoy will be offendedAug 08 17:51
FurnaceBoynahAug 08 17:51
schestowitzSmoker's remorseAug 08 17:51
FurnaceBoyhhhaahhaahAug 08 17:51
schestowitz"I know it's bad for me, but..."Aug 08 17:51
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you may be on to somethingAug 08 17:51
schestowitzhttp://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/08/microsoft_windows_phone_7_touts_killer_speech-recognition_software.htmlAug 08 17:52
TechrightsBotTitle: Windows Phone 7 - Microsoft Windows Phone 7 touts killer speech-recognition software .::. Size~: 29.95 KBAug 08 17:52
schestowitzKillerAug 08 17:52
schestowitzWell...Aug 08 17:52
schestowitzI can't see this 'killer' yetAug 08 17:52
schestowitzDoes. Not. Exist.Aug 08 17:52
schestowitzNor. Compute.Aug 08 17:52
FurnaceBoyyeah but you ahve to love the word TOUTSAug 08 17:52
FurnaceBoyshades of BarnumAug 08 17:52
schestowitzTUTO!!Aug 08 17:53
FurnaceBoy"Roll up! Roll up! Come and see the show.."Aug 08 17:53
schestowitzMicrosoft touts voice rec. out of its anusAug 08 17:53
FurnaceBoy"Doctor Ballmer's magical Cobra Elixir..."Aug 08 17:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @pietercolpaert Introducing the complex boolean: enum ComplexBoolean = {false, untrue, unfalse,true};Aug 08 17:54
schestowitzChoochooo! Come aboard Ballmer's rideAug 08 17:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Heart of darknessAug 08 17:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Up the riverAug 08 17:54
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/steve-wozniak-on-iphone-i_n_670333.htmlAug 08 17:54
TechrightsBotTitle: Steve Wozniak On His Relationship With Steve Jobs, Google's Future (VIDEO) .::. Size~: 297.42 KBAug 08 17:54
Chips_B_Malroyspeech-recognition software---it didn't sell IBM Warp 4 either, a good product compared to windows, and it won't sell a poor product like WP7 either.Aug 08 17:55
FurnaceBoy"Basically I'd spit on him if I passed him in the street. Any questions?"Aug 08 17:55
schestowitz""I have not really had a problem with the antenna...I think it's a very tiny, tiny problem that has blown out of proportion because there are a lot of people that want to accuse Apple of a mistake only because Apple has been so good with its products, creating..."Aug 08 17:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: WHY DO YOU HATE SUCCESSAug 08 17:55
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: oh yeah... I remember IBM's thingAug 08 17:55
schestowitzI heard from it from a schoolmateAug 08 17:55
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: WHY WHY WHYAug 08 17:56
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: you're just jealous, you!!Aug 08 17:56
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: successful people have a lot of moneyAug 08 17:56
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: and it means they are very, very good peopleAug 08 17:56
*FurnaceBoy hums, "If I were a rich man, deedle deedle dum deedle deedle dum.."Aug 08 17:56
schestowitzFiddler on the roof has a sco renditionAug 08 17:57
schestowitzSearch for it in YouTUbeAug 08 17:57
schestowitzSCO did a play along those linesAug 08 17:57
schestowitzThere's a new trend among rich men though... buying other people's bodyparts to also make the grave go away for longer :-)Aug 08 17:58
Chips_B_MalroyJobsAug 08 17:58
schestowitzThey also get the better trained surgeons when they have tumoursAug 08 17:58
FurnaceBoyyou betAug 08 17:58
schestowitzhttp://erictric.com/2010/08/05/windows-phone-7-might-not-support-html5/Aug 08 17:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0 KBAug 08 17:59
schestowitzMicrosoft: it's a feeeechureAug 08 17:59
FurnaceBoyit's a threatAug 08 17:59
FurnaceBoythey never followed a standard before, why start now?Aug 08 18:00
schestowitzEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!1Aug 08 18:00
schestowitzhttp://gadgetcrave.com/asus-windows-phone-7-leaks/8228/Aug 08 18:00
TechrightsBotTitle: ASUS Windows Phone 7 Leaks .::. Size~: 30.05 KBAug 08 18:00
schestowitzKIN2Aug 08 18:00
schestowitz:-DAug 08 18:00
schestowitz"slickness" HA!Aug 08 18:01
schestowitzhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/smartphones/windows-phone-7-ui-drags-down-asus-prototypes-slickness-192Aug 08 18:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Windows Phone 7 UI drags down Asus prototype's slickness | Smartphones - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 94.86 KBAug 08 18:01
Chips_B_MalroyWP7=Kin/2  you are on to something here RoyAug 08 18:02
schestowitzMicrosoft will need to ask for more loans soon, I thinkAug 08 18:02
schestowitzAfter KIN esp.Aug 08 18:02
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: both are phonesAug 08 18:02
schestowitzSimilar platforms too, I thinkAug 08 18:02
schestowitzWinMob was a messAug 08 18:02
schestowitzBut don't diss products with "7" in themAug 08 18:03
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/05/11/greenwashing-and-sevenwashing/Aug 08 18:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Seven-Washing | Techrights .::. Size~: 112.85 KBAug 08 18:03
FurnaceBoyoh, yes.Aug 08 18:03
FurnaceBoyvery goodAug 08 18:03
Chips_B_MalroyWP7 will likely be the last straw for stockholders, or the rope that ballmer hangs himself with as far as his job.Aug 08 18:03
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: they said that about Vista.Aug 08 18:03
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer will be gone this Spring/WinterAug 08 18:04
FurnaceBoyheads come and go.Aug 08 18:04
FurnaceBoyit's the organism that needs to be buriedAug 08 18:04
Chips_B_MalroyThere are more failures in the works for MSAug 08 18:04
FurnaceBoyit's what they doAug 08 18:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @elmdentica #elmdentica now supports proper retweet/redent api call.Aug 08 18:05
Chips_B_MalroyButs its the board and the CEO that decide which failures for MS to presueAug 08 18:05
schestowitzhttp://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258080Aug 08 18:06
TechrightsBotTitle: News: Xbox's lack of Blu-ray a 'problem' for developers - ComputerAndVideoGames.com .::. Size~: 316.36 KBAug 08 18:06
FurnaceBoyI thought XBox was next to death?Aug 08 18:07
DaemonFCthe fact that they aren't planning a new one is troublingAug 08 18:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] One problem I find with supporting standard api call is that the used account is that from which you received the message. Bad for crossing.Aug 08 18:09
schestowitzDaemonFC: yeahAug 08 18:10
Chips_B_Malroyits in decline, in 3rd place in sales last I knew.  Its not dead yet, as the major expenses except for returning failed xbox360's (RROD,E74).  So some quarters there could be small profits, but unlikely to ever pay back all the R&D and overheating problem money they lost.Aug 08 18:10
schestowitzCost them too muchAug 08 18:10
schestowitzThey need to find lendersAug 08 18:10
schestowitzMicrosoft hasn't paid back its loans for yearsAug 08 18:11
DaemonFCschestowitz, the hardware revision doesn't cost that muchAug 08 18:11
Chips_B_Malroykinect, will likely lose money, it already seems to be a flopAug 08 18:11
schestowitzANd GAtes is busy using his own for world dominationAug 08 18:11
DaemonFCthey get to throw a new coat of paint on itAug 08 18:11
DaemonFCand call it newAug 08 18:11
schestowitzDaemonFC: Slim?Aug 08 18:11
schestowitzThat's s***teAug 08 18:11
DaemonFCyeahAug 08 18:11
schestowitzThinner pigAug 08 18:11
schestowitzWhere's the p0rk?Aug 08 18:11
schestowitzSpecsAug 08 18:11
schestowitz[18:11] <DaemonFC> they get to throw a new coat of paint on itAug 08 18:12
schestowitzEliteAug 08 18:12
schestowitzOr the other new "plates"Aug 08 18:12
schestowitzLike the ones my Palm hadAug 08 18:12
schestowitzSomeone in CNET had over 20 Aug 08 18:12
Chips_B_MalroyWhen Ballmer leaves, the stock points could bounce up by ten points for a short period of timeAug 08 18:12
schestowitzAnd Slim made them obsolete so he complainedAug 08 18:12
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: no, that's Steve bouncingAug 08 18:13
schestowitzThe bouncing baboon 12.12Aug 08 18:13
schestowitzLTSAug 08 18:13
DaemonFCwell, the PS3 Slim won't run LinuxAug 08 18:13
DaemonFChas anyone hacked it yet?Aug 08 18:13
schestowitzone of its devs used to be her in this channelAug 08 18:17
schestowitzHe went away when I exposed him: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258224Aug 08 18:18
TechrightsBotTitle: News: Fable 3 pre-orders can 'create a villager' - ComputerAndVideoGames.com .::. Size~: 216.83 KBAug 08 18:18
schestowitzLionheadAug 08 18:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "If it weren't for #WAR, you'd be speaking German right now." -- Of course! Because since WWII Germany, Japan and Italy speak only English.Aug 08 18:19
schestowitzhttp://www.geek.com/articles/games/kinect-played-by-half-naked-asian-babes-still-looks-rubbish-2010081/Aug 08 18:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Kinect played by half-naked Asian babes still looks rubbish – Video Games Reviews, Cheats | Geek.com .::. Size~: 57.01 KBAug 08 18:20
DaemonFChttp://www.osnews.com/story/23652/Apple_Loved_You_Pro_Users_Loves_Your_Money_More_NowAug 08 18:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Apple Loved You Pro Users; Loves Your Money More, Now .::. Size~: 33.47 KBAug 08 18:20
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC>  I have to ask you this question, as I think you might know.  Will running XP in virtualbox let you run Silverlight and play Netflix streaming movies?  Or does DirectX stuff get in the way?  The Android VM might not need all the video support to work.Aug 08 18:20
schestowitzIs Kinect a disaster waiting to happen? All the evidence points to this being a complete dodo for Microsoft.Aug 08 18:20
schestowitzQUOTE^^Aug 08 18:20
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, Yes, that configuration would workAug 08 18:21
DaemonFCDirectX 9 passthrough is fairly good unless you need to allocate more than 128 MB of video RAM for somethingAug 08 18:21
DaemonFCemulating an x86 processor and Windows XP on Android?Aug 08 18:22
DaemonFCthat wouldn't happenAug 08 18:22
Chips_B_Malroythanks.  myself I am not interested in Netflix.  Can borrow disks, many other optionsAug 08 18:22
DaemonFCpretty much any video game or application that needs less than 128 MB of vram will work on XP in VirtualBoxAug 08 18:23
FurnaceBoyNetflix is windows only?Aug 08 18:23
Chips_B_MalroyRemember, Android has an Intel portAug 08 18:23
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, SilverlightAug 08 18:23
DaemonFCWindows/MacAug 08 18:23
FurnaceBoyjeezAug 08 18:23
FurnaceBoywhat a POSAug 08 18:23
FurnaceBoywell, there's your answer about why MS is intransigent wrt HTML5Aug 08 18:24
Chips_B_MalroyDosbox will run windows 95 on Android, I seen the link.  But I would bet its an Intel port of Android.Aug 08 18:24
FurnaceBoysupporting HTML5 would be conceding important lock-in territoryAug 08 18:24
FurnaceBoyAll standards do.Aug 08 18:24
DaemonFCnahAug 08 18:24
DaemonFCthey market Silverlight as easy to develop for and supporting DRMAug 08 18:25
DaemonFCbut they support HTML 5 at the same timeAug 08 18:25
DaemonFCwhile FUDding itAug 08 18:25
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: it need not be,Aug 08 18:25
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: it's an emulator (non-native)Aug 08 18:25
DaemonFCthe HTML 5 support is not optionalAug 08 18:25
DaemonFCthey'll support it while trying to assassinate itAug 08 18:25
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: which is why dosbox and not qemu, freedos, etcAug 08 18:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: right, drag feet for as long as possible, then make a half-assed attempt to make the standard apppear broken. Standard Operating Procedure.Aug 08 18:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: we've all seen this movie beforeAug 08 18:26
DaemonFCright HTML 5 is to IE 9 as ODF is to Office 2010Aug 08 18:27
DaemonFCa ruse, one that works only well enough for them to claim supportAug 08 18:27
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: IE is a weapon against standarsdAug 08 18:27
FurnaceBoyds*Aug 08 18:28
DaemonFCthey'll break somethingAug 08 18:28
FurnaceBoya Trojan horse with foot and mouth diseaseAug 08 18:28
DaemonFCor leave something outAug 08 18:28
DaemonFCor make sure that Silverlight can perform better in IEAug 08 18:28
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: of course. it's the business strategy to do so.Aug 08 18:28
DaemonFCremember the CSS box model from IE 5?Aug 08 18:28
FurnaceBoywhere I am using the word 'business' to include racketeering, but that's practically a given anywayAug 08 18:28
DaemonFCWe support CSS!Aug 08 18:28
Chips_B_Malroythey will lose enough market share soon, that they will have to start actually supporting cross platforms and standards in ernestAug 08 18:28
DaemonFCas long as you use nonstandard CSS that breaks in Netscape!Aug 08 18:28
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: no version of IE supports open standardsAug 08 18:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they only have incentives NOT to do so.Aug 08 18:29
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: yes, if it plummets sufficiently, they will start doing a better job.Aug 08 18:29
DaemonFCAOL handed Microsoft Netscape's balls Aug 08 18:29
Chips_B_Malroythere are calls for MS to port Office to Android now, since Android is likely to become the leading phone OS soonAug 08 18:29
DaemonFCwith that idiotic decision to task some of their employees on Netscape 4.5Aug 08 18:29
DaemonFCinstead of to MozillaAug 08 18:30
Chips_B_MalroyI noticed a few more cheap $100 Android ARM smartbooks on Ebay these days, and tons of tablets.Aug 08 18:30
DaemonFCNetscape 4 had a great email clientAug 08 18:31
DaemonFCbut that was about itAug 08 18:31
DaemonFCthe rest of the browser was slow and full of bugsAug 08 18:31
DaemonFChttp://www.supportcave.com/images/netscape4.bmpAug 08 18:32
TechrightsBotTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/bmp type .::. Size~: 0 KBAug 08 18:32
DaemonFCNote the Shop button next to the Stop buttonAug 08 18:32
DaemonFC:DAug 08 18:32
DaemonFCAOL's doingAug 08 18:32
DaemonFCthere was a pref you could set that disabled the Shop buttonAug 08 18:32
schestowitzTalking points from MicrosoftAug 08 18:32
schestowitzThe "Netscape killed itself" lieAug 08 18:32
Chips_B_Malroyquestion, can Android be forked?Aug 08 18:32
schestowitzEnderle styleAug 08 18:32
DaemonFCI used Netscape 4Aug 08 18:32
DaemonFCit suckedAug 08 18:32
DaemonFCI hated itAug 08 18:32
schestowitzMICROSOGT is winnninggggggggggg! http://360.kombo.com/article.php?artid=19489 http://www.t3.com/news/microsoft-kinect-demo-grinds-to-a-halt-in-hong-kong?=47721          Aug 08 18:33
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Kinect demo grinds to a halt in Hong Kong | T3 magazine .::. Size~: 27.38 KBAug 08 18:33
DaemonFCIE was worse thoughAug 08 18:33
DaemonFCI used Opera on my PC at homeAug 08 18:33
DaemonFCbut school PCs used Netscape 4Aug 08 18:33
Chips_B_MalroyI liked netscape 4.07Aug 08 18:33
FurnaceBoyoh, I used Netscape 4 a lot. it was actually pretty fastAug 08 18:33
DaemonFCin between crashes, and hanging the entire systemAug 08 18:33
FurnaceBoycompared with Mozilla 1.0, anywayAug 08 18:33
FurnaceBoyor NS 5Aug 08 18:33
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: DaemonFC was a fanboi of Microsoft at the timeAug 08 18:33
FurnaceBoyNS4 was the IE of the 90sAug 08 18:33
DaemonFCI bought a license to OperaAug 08 18:33
schestowitzThey made him a Microsoft MVPAug 08 18:33
Chips_B_Malroyat least on Linux and Warp it was goodAug 08 18:34
schestowitzHe was among the indocrinated who queues up all day for Vista95Aug 08 18:34
schestowitz*uedAug 08 18:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: lol, i remember those days.Aug 08 18:34
schestowitzToo hypedAug 08 18:34
schestowitzSome people didn't know it was an OSAug 08 18:34
DaemonFCI got Windows 95 OSR 2.1Aug 08 18:34
schestowitzMicrosoft just washed the media with nonsenseAug 08 18:34
DaemonFCon a Packard BellAug 08 18:34
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 18:34
DaemonFCof course that's not the only system it ended up onAug 08 18:34
FurnaceBoyspreading diseaseAug 08 18:35
DaemonFCit was basically Windows 95 + USB and FAT32Aug 08 18:35
DaemonFCno mandatory IE thoughAug 08 18:35
DaemonFCwhich made it preferable to Windows 98Aug 08 18:35
DaemonFCI've gotten free Windows Me, 2000, XP Pro, XP x64, Server 2003/R2, 2008/R2, and 7 UltimateAug 08 18:37
Chips_B_Malroyyes, there was actually 3 versions of 95, the last one that DaemonFC talks about was the better of the bunchAug 08 18:37
schestowitzDaemonFC: there was windows 95, you, and what's the USB?Aug 08 18:37
schestowitzWIn98... plug and play demoAug 08 18:37
DaemonFCI could have downloaded Vista Ultimate but I didn't want itAug 08 18:37
schestowitzLike in Deepwater HorizonAug 08 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: why are you so preoccupied with windows?Aug 08 18:37
schestowitzOver a decade earlyAug 08 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: just dump it and get a lifeAug 08 18:37
schestowitzHe's a Linux n00bAug 08 18:37
schestowitzSo he runs back to Windows when he wants to have some authorityAug 08 18:37
FurnaceBoyto feel like he's still in the clubAug 08 18:38
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, OSR 2.0 was FAT32, OSR 2.1 was USB support, and OSR 2.5 was mandatory IE 4 with webby IE shellAug 08 18:38
DaemonFC:PAug 08 18:38
Chips_B_MalroyVista and Seven, are space hogs as well as memory hogs and full of additional DRM.  For that reason why would anyone want to run those under a VM, except to look at them?Aug 08 18:38
DaemonFCOSR 2.5 was essentially identical to Windows 98Aug 08 18:38
DaemonFCexcept that it shipped with an older copy of DirectX and Media PlayerAug 08 18:38
DaemonFCbut you could download the same versions that shipped with Windows 98Aug 08 18:39
DaemonFCI installed Windows Me and got rid of it rather quickly, but I did notice that defrag.exe from Windows Me worked on Windows 98 and 95 as wellAug 08 18:40
DaemonFCit was much faster and didn't do that damned "disk contents changed....restarting" crap every 5 secondsAug 08 18:40
DaemonFC:PAug 08 18:40
FurnaceBoyanything concerning windows is just a waste of time. talking about it. running it. Aug 08 18:41
FurnaceBoypure. waste.Aug 08 18:41
DaemonFCMicrosoft started encouraging crapware pushers to depend on IE so they had some free distribution channelsAug 08 18:41
DaemonFCthat foisted IE on the Windows 95 holdouts who didn't want itAug 08 18:41
DaemonFCusually without askingAug 08 18:41
FurnaceBoyhell, who would up his springAug 08 18:41
*schestowitz baffled by the channel being all about WindowsAug 08 18:41
FurnaceBoywound*Aug 08 18:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC's like a little mechanical soldierAug 08 18:42
FurnaceBoyonce he's on the topic, he has to match forward till he hits the architraveAug 08 18:42
FurnaceBoymarch*Aug 08 18:42
Chips_B_Malroy <FurnaceBoy> anything concerning windows is just a waste of time. talking about it. running it."  Mostly I agree.  But new Linux users still fall back to Dose sometimes, so need to know how to run it in a VM or duel boot.  The other part is keeping track of what the Dark Side is doing, and that is very important, IMOAug 08 18:43
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100805-712597.htmlAug 08 18:44
TechrightsBotTitle: Hauppauge Rallies As Video Recorder Can Support Windows >HAUP - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 98.53 KBAug 08 18:44
DaemonFCThe funniest part about Netscape 4 is that it didn't natively understand any CSS at allAug 08 18:44
DaemonFCNetscape tried to foist their own JSS nonstandard and then just before shipping Netscape 4 it became clear that CSS was what was taking overAug 08 18:45
schestowitzwth? http://www.pcworld.com/article/202679/microsoft_windows_me.htmlAug 08 18:45
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Windows ME - PCWorld .::. Size~: 49.18 KBAug 08 18:45
DaemonFCso they wrote a CSS to JSS converterAug 08 18:45
DaemonFCand then processed the output as JSSAug 08 18:45
DaemonFCwhich is why you lost CSS support if you had Javascript turned offAug 08 18:45
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: sort of.Aug 08 18:46
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript_Style_SheetsAug 08 18:46
TechrightsBotTitle: JavaScript Style Sheets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 64.47 KBAug 08 18:46
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: we should minimise getting caught up in the tar pitAug 08 18:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #uspto wants your opinion http://is.gd/e8TVM #swpat but please be constructive.Aug 08 18:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Groklaw - USPTO Asks for Comments on New  Interim Guidance on Bilski .::. Size~: 289 KBAug 08 18:47
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: time spent engaged with windows is fine if at the end of it we can show that we've tangibly taken scalpsAug 08 18:47
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: i.e. what Roy doesAug 08 18:48
DaemonFCschestowitz, Those internet games wouldn't let you chat with the other playerAug 08 18:48
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: simple navel gazing like DaemonFC enjoys is just hot air, he'd be better off cutting his toenailsAug 08 18:48
DaemonFCexcept certain predefined sentencesAug 08 18:48
DaemonFClike "Good game" or "Nice move"Aug 08 18:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: like A/S/LAug 08 18:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I'm a 14 yo and I feel HORNY how about youAug 08 18:49
DaemonFChehAug 08 18:49
DaemonFCNice MoveAug 08 18:49
DaemonFCGreat Game!Aug 08 18:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Turn your webcam onAug 08 18:49
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC does contribute a lot of good stuffAug 08 18:49
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: taking scalps. capturing territory.Aug 08 18:49
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: exposing dronesAug 08 18:50
Chips_B_Malroywell, he does get off on a bit of a tangent at times, but we all guilty on that one tooAug 08 18:50
DaemonFCfor the most part, Windows 98/Me were just Windows 95 OSR 2.1 + crapAug 08 18:53
Chips_B_Malroyno offence meant Aug 08 18:53
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFCAug 08 18:53
DaemonFCany time a program refused to run, it was lying about needing Windows 98/MeAug 08 18:53
DaemonFCthey still use that trick quite a bitAug 08 18:53
Chips_B_Malroyas every version of windows is really just an updateAug 08 18:54
DaemonFCI've ran into games that claimed to need XP or Vista that I modded to run on Windows 2000Aug 08 18:54
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1726870/microsoft-plans-mega-patch-tuesdayAug 08 18:54
TechrightsBotTitle:                     Microsoft plans a mega-patch tuesday  - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 62.52 KBAug 08 18:54
Chips_B_Malroymostly you are buying or rebuying 95% or more of the same code you already paid for in the last versionAug 08 18:54
DaemonFCtrueAug 08 18:55
DaemonFCthen they have apps that don't use that code but check for itAug 08 18:55
DaemonFCand refuse to run if it's not foundAug 08 18:55
schestowitzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/Patch-Tuesday-Windows-7-XP-Vista,11023.htmlAug 08 18:55
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Setting Record With Next Patch Tuesday .::. Size~: 99.17 KBAug 08 18:55
Chips_B_Malroydoes it appear to anyone else that the number of recent zero day exploits for windows has greatly increased?Aug 08 18:56
Chips_B_Malroyand if anyone agrees with that, that cannot be a good thing for Microsoft and its windows usersAug 08 18:57
*Diablo-D3 (~diablo@pool-70-16-104-62.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #boycottnovellAug 08 18:58
schestowitzhttp://www.examiner.com/x-37543-Columbus-Technology-Examiner~y2010m8d3-Wall-Street-Journal-reports-Microsoft-killed-security-and-privacy-features-in-IE8-for-advertisingAug 08 18:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Columbus Technology Examiner  .::. Size~: 91.93 KBAug 08 18:59
schestowitzwth is the gates photo for?Aug 08 18:59
schestowitzSeattle press..Aug 08 18:59
Chips_B_MalroyA friend of mine, who cleans windows computer for money, claims that its not possible to remove CyberDefender from Windows Seven using the add/remove programs feature, or whatever its called in Seven.  Cyberdefender is not classifed as malware, just badware.  It acts more like ransomware.Aug 08 18:59
Chips_B_MalroyCyberdefender can be removed in all other versions of windows.Aug 08 19:00
Chips_B_MalroyBut I do not have any experience with it personallyAug 08 19:00
Chips_B_Malroysimilar to fake antivirus programsAug 08 19:01
schestowitzLike Windows?Aug 08 19:01
*sebsebseb3 (~ubuntu@88.87.179.70) has joined #boycottnovellAug 08 19:01
sebsebseb3HiAug 08 19:02
sebsebseb3from the place we are staying at in IrelandAug 08 19:02
schestowitzsebsebseb3: seen the troll in omgubuntu?Aug 08 19:02
sebsebseb3nopeAug 08 19:02
schestowitzit caused a stirAug 08 19:02
schestowitzI don't trust that siteAug 08 19:02
schestowitzIt also promotes Mono toysAug 08 19:02
Chips_B_MalroyI cannot verify his claim on cyberdefender.  and would be careful Roy if you decide to write a post of them, its a real companyAug 08 19:03
schestowitzhttp://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/microsoft-should-offer-office-for-android-and-apple-8217s-ios/4673Aug 08 19:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Should Offer Office for Android and Apples iOS | BNET  .::. Size~: 81.41 KBAug 08 19:03
schestowitzerrr. noAug 08 19:03
sebsebseb3schestowitz: Which troll in omgubuntu,  not up to date with that site at the momentAug 08 19:03
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: no needAug 08 19:03
sebsebseb3or Linux Today for that matterAug 08 19:03
schestowitzsebsebseb3: you'd see if you checkedAug 08 19:03
schestowitzLinux Today has nothing that Techrights Links hasn'tAug 08 19:04
*sebsebseb3 is using a Ubuntu 9.10 Live CD at the momentAug 08 19:04
Chips_B_Malroyyes, there is always tons of windows malware to write about anywayAug 08 19:04
schestowitzsebsebseb3: you can track all Linux news from TechrightsAug 08 19:04
sebsebseb3the one that came with that magazine I bought recently, since the others  DVDAug 08 19:04
sebsebseb3from the other magazineAug 08 19:04
sebsebseb3didn't have a LIve session :(Aug 08 19:04
schestowitzDoesn't Microsoft have trademark for "live" or something?Aug 08 19:04
sebsebseb3schestowitz: well yeah I guess, I mean you keep up with this stuff dailyAug 08 19:04
schestowitzsebsebseb3: you can tooAug 08 19:05
schestowitzI aggregate it allAug 08 19:05
sebsebseb3uh this keyboard is feeling odd at the moment,since I am on my Mum's lap topAug 08 19:05
schestowitzIt takes a long time, I cover all that's in LinuxToday tooAug 08 19:05
sebsebseb3and I normally use a normal keyboardAug 08 19:05
schestowitzhttp://www.thestreet.com/story/10826831/1/apple-stores-helping-to-maul-microsoft.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEFIAug 08 19:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Apple Stores Helping to Maul Microsoft - TheStreet .::. Size~: 87.8 KBAug 08 19:05
schestowitzWe have some cultists shops here in Arndale CentreAug 08 19:06
schestowitzDisturbingAug 08 19:06
Chips_B_MalroyThe cyberfender story, if true, that it cannot be easily removed in Seven does show that Seven is not so secure.Aug 08 19:06
schestowitzMinceR ought to get a sleeping bad and live in one ;-) :-0-Aug 08 19:06
Chips_B_Malroyas even earlier windowsAug 08 19:06
schestowitz*begAug 08 19:06
schestowitz*bag evenAug 08 19:06
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: lots of bad security news for the VOleAug 08 19:07
schestowitzBut I will popst tomorrowAug 08 19:07
schestowitz*postAug 08 19:07
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/microsoft-adds-openstreetmap-layer-to-bing-maps/Aug 08 19:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Adds OpenStreetMap Layer to Bing Maps | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 77.05 KBAug 08 19:08
schestowitzWow. Microsoft is openAug 08 19:08
schestowitzHeheAug 08 19:08
schestowitzMicrosoft 'cons00mes' opennessAug 08 19:08
Chips_B_Malroycyberdefender has shills tooAug 08 19:08
schestowitzLik AppleAug 08 19:08
schestowitzcyberdefenders per seAug 08 19:08
schestowitzcyberattack dogsAug 08 19:08
schestowitzMediaDefenderAug 08 19:08
schestowitzhttp://antitrust.slated.org/media-defender/index.htmlAug 08 19:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Media Defender - Exposed: by thread .::. Size~: 1027.76 KBAug 08 19:09
sebsebseb3Yay I don't have to use XP on here :)Aug 08 19:09
Chips_B_Malroyif somebody wanted to check out the cyberdefender problem on Seven, it might make a good storyAug 08 19:10
schestowitzsebsebseb3: +1 Aug 08 19:10
Chips_B_Malroythey would have to actually have a sacroficial install of Seven to try it out on, and be knownledgable on cleaning up malware.Aug 08 19:11
schestowitzsebsebseb3: leave your CD with your momAug 08 19:11
schestowitzFor when she has Windows issuesAug 08 19:11
sebsebseb3schestowitz: uh MumAug 08 19:11
schestowitzShe'll try Linux out of lack of choiceAug 08 19:11
sebsebseb3schestowitz: English British remember :)Aug 08 19:11
Chips_B_Malroycyberfender has a website, and must be downloaded and installedAug 08 19:11
sebsebseb3oh she gets quite a few issues with this lap topAug 08 19:11
schestowitzIt's a good exercise in getting them familiar with 'other OS'Aug 08 19:11
sebsebseb3or not exactly, just her being thick at computersAug 08 19:11
schestowitzWindowsAug 08 19:11
schestowitzNot computerdAug 08 19:11
schestowitzWindows is hardAug 08 19:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] File sharing business model not so great? DRM a necessary evil? http://tinyurl.com/2urgzpk #piracy #tpb #ukpirateparty #p2p #drm #torrentAug 08 19:12
Diablo-D3You knowAug 08 19:12
TechrightsBotTitle: File sharing business model not so great? DRM a necessary evil? « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 42.61 KBAug 08 19:12
Chips_B_MalroyI am thinking DaemonFC here and cyberdefenderAug 08 19:12
schestowitzYou need to learn too much junkAug 08 19:12
Diablo-D3I wonder if Vala can be mutated to be Java.Aug 08 19:12
schestowitzLike how to 'stay safe' and defrag and stuffAug 08 19:12
Diablo-D3I mean, it does the Java/C# syntax style without being C#Aug 08 19:12
schestowitzDiablo-D3: it's openAug 08 19:12
sebsebseb3well yeah I guess,  and most software for Windows is junk really,  unless its opensource/freesoftwareAug 08 19:12
schestowitzAnd not tied to .NETAug 08 19:12
schestowitzSo you can fork itAug 08 19:12
Diablo-D3so.. hrm.Aug 08 19:12
*Diablo-D3 shrugs.Aug 08 19:12
schestowitzWIthout MCP threatening youAug 08 19:12
Diablo-D3I just want a java compiler that produces binaries and isnt fucking shitAug 08 19:12
schestowitzbytecode?Aug 08 19:13
Diablo-D3no actual binariesAug 08 19:13
schestowitzMOAR messAug 08 19:13
schestowitzsebsebseb3: give it a goAug 08 19:14
schestowitzYou can burn a newer live CD afterwardsAug 08 19:14
sebsebseb3schestowitz:  realy her useage would fit rather well with a Linux distroAug 08 19:14
sebsebseb3I have mentioned before, but she isn't really interestedAug 08 19:14
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FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: gcj ? or is that 'shit'Aug 08 19:19
schestowitzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-iphone-ipad-macbook,11019.htmlAug 08 19:19
TechrightsBotTitle: Apple Cannot Handle More Than 5-Percent .::. Size~: 135.78 KBAug 08 19:19
schestowitzsebsebseb3: leave a CD in thereAug 08 19:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tomorrow I will post my 20,000th Twitter tweet. Thanks to all who follow me and post great links for me to use.Aug 08 19:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] The Corporation has gone Open Source http://bit.ly/9yW11l You may not have noticed but the enterprise has already moved to #Linux & #FOSSAug 08 19:20
TechrightsBotTitle: The Corporation has gone Open Source | ITworld .::. Size~: 82.26 KBAug 08 19:20
schestowitzWhen there's an issue she'll have reason to pick it up and boot into itAug 08 19:20
Chips_B_MalroyI read an article recently (I don't have the link) that Microsoft's Board may vote to increase the stock dividin.  Which is almost like admitting that they are a blue chip mature type of company, and not a growth company like Google or Apple.Aug 08 19:21
FurnaceBoyLOL!Aug 08 19:21
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: check the 5 yr chart vs appleAug 08 19:21
schestowitzhttp://www.examiner.com/x-37543-Columbus-Technology-Examiner~y2010m8d5-Microsoft-rumored-to-be-releasing-their-own-multitouch-version-of-Apples-Magic-TrackpadAug 08 19:21
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: MSFT has flatlined foreverAug 08 19:21
TechrightsBotTitle: Columbus Technology Examiner  .::. Size~: 91.93 KBAug 08 19:21
schestowitzBUT......Aug 08 19:21
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: the best they can possibly do is stop it falling off a cliffAug 08 19:21
schestowitzYou're not seeing the whole pictureAug 08 19:21
schestowitz1. PC supply grewAug 08 19:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @sjvn You would not have noticed that the enterprise already moved to #Linux & #FOSS if you read just DiggAug 08 19:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: Congrats!Aug 08 19:22
schestowitz2. Microsoft reserves depletedAug 08 19:22
schestowitz3. Microsoft debt grewAug 08 19:22
schestowitzSo the stock says little of it allAug 08 19:22
Chips_B_Malroyif the dividin is high enough paid by MS, this would increase the stock price.  Its like an interest rate paid for a loan, and would have to be higher than what most people would make on a cd.  Buying back MS own stock did not seem to help the company.Aug 08 19:22
schestowitzjono is sucking up to me now, he got some blowback for his wrong insinuations about meAug 08 19:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon thanksAug 08 19:23
schestowitzhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/08/04/investopedia46128.DTLAug 08 19:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Wall Street History: Microsoft Buys Apple .::. Size~: 113.29 KBAug 08 19:23
schestowitz"Charles Ponzi will always be remembered as the inventor of the Ponzi scheme - a variation of the pyramid scheme that depends on paying early investors with the money from new investors. On August 2, 1920, Ponzi's scheme was coming under increasing pressure from newspaper articles pointing out holes in the investment story."Aug 08 19:23
Chips_B_MalroyI am predicting that MS will go this route with the higher prices paid on dividens.  After all, Gates would like to sell the stock before Windows loses market share to Google, Linux, and AppleAug 08 19:25
Chips_B_Malroyit maybe a ponzi scheme, but it might work for the short termAug 08 19:26
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: rightAug 08 19:27
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: always was ponziAug 08 19:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: who was that analyst who has a web site documenting this?Aug 08 19:29
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: lol, 3rd result for 'microsoft stock scam' is "bill gates is sharing his wealth"!Aug 08 19:30
schestowitz*LOL*Aug 08 19:30
schestowitzIt's a satire FurnaceBoyAug 08 19:30
schestowitzMust beAug 08 19:30
schestowitzBill Gates is stealing wealthAug 08 19:30
schestowitzSo they say the oppositeAug 08 19:30
Chips_B_Malroythey now need to drive up the stock price, as buy backs did not work, and they have stock to sell, like rats deserting the sinking ship.  Aug 08 19:30
schestowitzReverse it for laughtsAug 08 19:30
FurnaceBoyhttp://lowendmac.com/lite/05/0803.htmlAug 08 19:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft the Ultimate Pyramid Scheme? .::. Size~: 20.43 KBAug 08 19:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: do you know the guy I mean? the analystAug 08 19:31
Chips_B_Malroythey know windows is failing, on the decline, losing market share.  And ARM is coming.  Aug 08 19:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I used to know his name Aug 08 19:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: mental blakAug 08 19:31
FurnaceBoynkAug 08 19:31
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: I don't believe they can prevent a stock collapseAug 08 19:32
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: but who cares? The big guys got outAug 08 19:32
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: look at insider sellingAug 08 19:32
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: it's just a vehicle that's almost outlived its purposeAug 08 19:32
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: Gates gutted the company and nobody complained because apparently it's "philanthropy"Aug 08 19:33
Chips_B_Malroyblue chip dividend is the sure way to increase the stock priceAug 08 19:33
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: bigger theft than madoffAug 08 19:33
Chips_B_Malroyshort term Aug 08 19:33
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: where's that money going to come from?Aug 08 19:33
schestowitzLOL Mary Jo http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/looking-at-the-world-through-bing-colored-goggles/7010Aug 08 19:34
TechrightsBotTitle: Looking at the world through Bing-colored Goggles | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 116.39 KBAug 08 19:34
Chips_B_Malroythe dividend rate has to be as high or higher than what the average investor can get in other marketsAug 08 19:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yeah, accidentally insightful headlineAug 08 19:34
schestowitzHe blog should be called Looking at the world through Microsoft-colored Goggles Aug 08 19:34
schestowitz*herAug 08 19:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you heard of Jeff Epstein?Aug 08 19:35
schestowitzNopeAug 08 19:35
schestowitzhttp://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.htmlAug 08 19:35
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schestowitzThat's probably what you wanna findAug 08 19:35
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schestowitzHi, jonoAug 08 19:36
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.benzinga.com/markets/company-news/10/07/390446/microsoft-s-dividend-playAug 08 19:36
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft's Dividend Play | Benzinga.com .::. Size~: 87.6 KBAug 08 19:36
jonoDaemonFC, I responded to your blog, please approveAug 08 19:36
jonohey schestowitzAug 08 19:36
schestowitzjono: you were trying to find me twice while I was asleepAug 08 19:36
schestowitzMaybe different topicsAug 08 19:36
jonoschestowitz I can't remember whyAug 08 19:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: another one of the big boys club. beating a child trafficking rap.Aug 08 19:36
jonoit musn't have been very importantAug 08 19:36
jonothanks for following upAug 08 19:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: probably a chum of Ballmer'sAug 08 19:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @schestowitz A point I make in the story. Social networking popular does not equal business important.Aug 08 19:37
schestowitzjono: can you or Mark deny the rumour we got from an employee?Aug 08 19:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Bill Parish, exactly.Aug 08 19:37
schestowitzI mean, deny interest or negotiations with Novell?Aug 08 19:37
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-22/microsoft-may-use-cash-to-boost-dividend-after-lull.htmlAug 08 19:37
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft May Use Cash to Boost Dividend After Lull - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 50.8 KBAug 08 19:37
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: that's teh guy i was looking for.Aug 08 19:37
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yeahAug 08 19:37
jonoschestowitz which rumor ?Aug 08 19:37
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yesterday I found out in Taiwan they traffic girls tooAug 08 19:37
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schestowitzUnderage prostitutution... someone who travels there for business told meAug 08 19:38
schestowitzjono: no PM, pleaseAug 08 19:38
jonoschestowitz why?Aug 08 19:38
schestowitzthe whole 'open' thing :-)Aug 08 19:39
Chips_B_Malroy"Heather Bellini, an analyst at ISI Group in New York, concurs that Microsoft is likely to increase its dividend."Aug 08 19:39
schestowitzBut jono, is that totally false?Aug 08 19:39
schestowitzDoesn't matter who said itAug 08 19:39
DaemonFChttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/ubuntus-community-manager-gratuitously-advertising-for-microsoft/#comment-1511Aug 08 19:40
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jonoschestowitz I believe it does matterAug 08 19:40
schestowitzAnyway, bmAug 08 19:40
schestowitznmAug 08 19:40
schestowitzWe might never find outAug 08 19:40
schestowitzUnless something goes throughAug 08 19:40
schestowitzNovell has been super-secret about negotiations since MayAug 08 19:40
jonoin any case, I have not seen anything internally about thisAug 08 19:40
schestowitzWhen WSJ said it spoke to over 20 companies re buyoutAug 08 19:40
schestowitzjono: so is it false?Aug 08 19:41
schestowitzCan you ask MarkS?Aug 08 19:41
jonoschestowitz you ask himAug 08 19:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: stop trollingAug 08 19:41
Chips_B_Malroy"?They really have to do something,? said Michael Holland, who oversees more than $4 billion, including Microsoft shares, as chairman of Holland & Co. in New York. ?A dividend increase is a way for the board and management to signal their overall business is healthy.? Not doing it ?would probably send an unintended signal,? he said."Aug 08 19:41
schestowitzjono: I've not mailed him in yearsAug 08 19:41
schestowitzIt would also be impoliteAug 08 19:41
schestowitzYou're the 'front end' of MarkAug 08 19:41
jonoDaemonFC, do you realize how lame you are?Aug 08 19:42
jonoschestowitz I am not the "front end" of Mark at allAug 08 19:42
jonoschestowitz if you want an answer, ask himAug 08 19:42
schestowitzCommunity frontAug 08 19:42
schestowitzPublic face and allAug 08 19:42
jonoor what would be better is to mail the actual CEOAug 08 19:42
jonoJane SilberAug 08 19:42
Chips_B_MalroyPR guyAug 08 19:42
schestowitzMatt Asay doesn't blog much :0(Aug 08 19:42
DaemonFCBallmer: "Hello jono, back again I see" *unzips*Aug 08 19:42
schestowitzNothing in CNETAug 08 19:42
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 19:42
schestowitzLittle in Canonical blogsAug 08 19:42
schestowitzHe took the paperword nightmare Mark talked aboutAug 08 19:42
schestowitz*paperworkAug 08 19:43
schestowitzDaemonFC: sod offAug 08 19:43
jonoDaemonFC, awww, need more attention?Aug 08 19:43
DaemonFCgo back to your launchpad CILsAug 08 19:43
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 19:43
schestowitzBTW, I found out about that thing from someone who listened to Linux OutlawsAug 08 19:43
schestowitzI don't agree with ryan about UbuntuAug 08 19:44
jonoschestowitz all joking apart though, I have not seen anything internally - that doesn't mean that it is not happening, I might not be privvy to it, but I am a Platform manager and it is likely I would know about itAug 08 19:44
schestowitzBut I quoted it for diversity of opinionAug 08 19:44
schestowitzSome people here dislike UbuntuAug 08 19:44
jonoand it was news to me when I read your rumour postAug 08 19:44
schestowitzNovell seems interested in selling SUSEAug 08 19:44
schestowitz6 months ago it did a lot of PR to say it made SUSE profitablreAug 08 19:44
schestowitzAfter many yearsAug 08 19:45
DaemonFC* Installing 1 assembly from liblaunchpad-integration1.0-cil into jono Aug 08 19:45
schestowitzAs though it was slating it for compartmentalisationAug 08 19:45
schestowitzThey are too diverse to sell in one pieceAug 08 19:45
schestowitzWithout antitrust or without the acquirer killing much of their portfolioAug 08 19:45
schestowitzBTWAug 08 19:45
schestowitzOpenSUSE community manager didn't deny this eitherAug 08 19:45
schestowitzI'm in good terms with himAug 08 19:46
Chips_B_Malroy<schestowitz> Some people here dislike Ubuntu"  Its not so bad, my only real objection to using Ubuntu is the Mono installed by default.  Anyway, Ubuntu does some good things as well.Aug 08 19:46
schestowitzThey removed f-spotAug 08 19:46
schestowitzThat's less MonoAug 08 19:46
DaemonFCthey installed BansheeAug 08 19:46
schestowitzThe banshee thing was a sockerAug 08 19:46
DaemonFCthat's 10 times moreAug 08 19:46
schestowitzjono spoke about it here beforeAug 08 19:46
schestowitzHow RB was stayingAug 08 19:46
DaemonFCyeah rightAug 08 19:46
DaemonFCthey're deleting aptitude and citing space concernsAug 08 19:47
schestowitzUbuntu 4.10 had a very crappy GNOME media playerAug 08 19:47
DaemonFCand they're keeping Rhythmbox?Aug 08 19:47
DaemonFCdoubt itAug 08 19:47
jonoDaemonFC, being serious, and I don't mean this in an impolite way, but do you understand how you undermine the good work of Free Software advocates, due to your trolling - when people outside our community join and see the kind of behavior that you exhibit, they brand us as "nutcases"Aug 08 19:47
schestowitzjono: he doesn't careAug 08 19:47
schestowitzHe hardly uses LinuxAug 08 19:47
schestowitzWe kicked him many times when he was off his pillsAug 08 19:47
DaemonFCjono, Companies who "support" an OS typically only include 1 program to do a taskAug 08 19:48
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC uses windows a lot tooAug 08 19:48
schestowitz"too"?Aug 08 19:48
jonoDaemonFC, and what is more, you exhibit  a constant flow of childish internal bickering - you actually harm Free Software because you make free software advocates wonder why they bother, having to put up with idiots such as youAug 08 19:48
schestowitzPrimarilyAug 08 19:48
DaemonFCthey do that because they don't want to "support" many sets of bugs in many duplicate programsAug 08 19:48
schestowitzHe only toys with LinuxAug 08 19:48
Chips_B_Malroyhe is a former MS MVPAug 08 19:48
DaemonFCBanshee replaces RhythmboxAug 08 19:48
jonoDaemonFC, you think you are helping to keep people really free, but you are the enemy withinAug 08 19:48
DaemonFCyou're not going to lie through your teeth and say both of them are stayingAug 08 19:48
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yeah...Aug 08 19:48
jonoand you are damaging free softwareAug 08 19:48
DaemonFCor maybe you willAug 08 19:48
DaemonFCwe shall seeAug 08 19:48
schestowitzjono: he's not withinAug 08 19:48
schestowitzHe's like a covert ops looking from the borderAug 08 19:49
Chips_B_MalroyBut I thing DaemonFC is coming around to being a Linux full time userAug 08 19:49
jonoschestowitz ban him :-)Aug 08 19:49
jonohe is a trollAug 08 19:49
DaemonFCno ban HIM!Aug 08 19:49
DaemonFChe's a troll!Aug 08 19:49
jonohe makes a mockery of the work you do schestowitzAug 08 19:49
ThistleWebDaemonFC: for once, grow upAug 08 19:49
DaemonFChe has a mustache!Aug 08 19:49
schestowitzjono: when it comes to offbeat news he's OKAug 08 19:49
schestowitzUnless he goes racist-lunnaticAug 08 19:49
schestowitz*lunaticAug 08 19:49
Chips_B_MalroyJono> I disagree, DaemonFC has useful information at timesAug 08 19:49
schestowitzHe changes the topic to WIndows stuffAug 08 19:50
jonoChips_B_Malroy, possibly, but I would argue that his trolling undermines his useful infoAug 08 19:50
schestowitzSometimes he leaks out some dirty info about Microsoft failuresAug 08 19:50
schestowitzANd I find that usefulAug 08 19:50
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> you should try to be a little nicer to Jono.  He doesn't have to chat with us you know.Aug 08 19:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC wastes our time with Windows trivia.Aug 08 19:50
jonoin any case, I am done with your idiocy, DaemonFC - just think about the effect you are having on our communityAug 08 19:50
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: esp. todayAug 08 19:51
jonoChips_B_Malroy, just my opinion, that is all :)Aug 08 19:51
schestowitzFair nuffAug 08 19:51
schestowitzThere's another oneAug 08 19:51
schestowitzYuhoungAug 08 19:51
schestowitzHe pretends to be with LinuxAug 08 19:51
schestowitzBut saturates the channel with WindowsAug 08 19:51
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes, i was also thinking of him.Aug 08 19:51
schestowitzAnd how much he loves VistaAug 08 19:51
FurnaceBoyhe's another fence sitterAug 08 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: More work on the android Severed Fifth Fan App by @RobKielty - http://soc.li/KNGKOBZ - download and test! #severedfifthAug 08 19:52
FurnaceBoycreating false equalitiesAug 08 19:52
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schestowitzAnd we don't ban him, we haven't banned in months, not even kickedAug 08 19:52
Chips_B_MalroyJono> we all have our opinon.  When I said you are a PR guy for Canonical, I meant no offence, only that is your job.  I can respect that.Aug 08 19:52
schestowitzExcept malicious channel flooders I can't recall banning anyone in 2010Aug 08 19:52
ThistleWebyou do have to ask yourself if these people are an aggregate positive or negative. If their bad behaviour outweighs their good, why not ban them?Aug 08 19:52
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: what I see is that they never change.Aug 08 19:52
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: just a peanut galleryAug 08 19:53
schestowitzIn 2009 we banned the access bully for issusing threats to people on IRCAug 08 19:53
Chips_B_MalroyI see a lot of change for the better with DaemonFCAug 08 19:53
jonoChips_B_Malroy, I am not a PR person for Canonical - I manage the community, but that doesn't mean I speak for Canonical on all issuesAug 08 19:53
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: when he stops carrying loaded guns around everywhere he goes, we'll know he's semi-human againAug 08 19:53
ThistleWeblooking on this convo, I see schestowitz trying to confirm or deny a rumour with jono in a reasonably fair and adult way, and DaemonFC deciding now is a great time to freak out and act like a 2 yr old on steroidsAug 08 19:53
schestowitzToday he postd here a photo of him gunAug 08 19:53
jonoI can speak about the community sure, but things such as potential acquisitions is really out of my remitAug 08 19:53
FurnaceBoyjono is a patient man...Aug 08 19:54
schestowitzUbutnu buying opensuse would be OKAug 08 19:54
schestowitzIn theory, it could rescue SUSE from the dealAug 08 19:54
schestowitzDepending how it's branded and how SLE* feeds off opensuseAug 08 19:54
jonoand to be clear, I never want to censor DaemonFC, just that if I was an op here I would see his childish and trolling behavior as a reason to (a) warn him and then if there is no improvement in conduct (b) ban himAug 08 19:54
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yeah, he's always coolAug 08 19:55
jonobut I am not an op and I respect and trust schestowitz decisionsAug 08 19:55
Chips_B_Malroy<jono> Chips_B_Malroy, I am not a PR person for Canonical - I manage the community, but that doesn't mean I speak for Canonical on all issues"  Then maybe I have it all wrong then, for that I apolize.  Still you have to tow the company line, I would not expect anything less.  But I do believe you are an honest sort and would not lie.  From what I have seen of you.Aug 08 19:55
jonoFurnaceBoy, thanksAug 08 19:55
schestowitzjono: we don't banAug 08 19:55
schestowitzIt's bad rapAug 08 19:55
schestowitzExcept unusual circumstancesAug 08 19:55
schestowitzLike "MUTEX"Aug 08 19:55
jonoChips_B_Malroy, I don't have to tow the company line really, if I disagree with something, I will objectAug 08 19:55
Chips_B_MalroyI believe youAug 08 19:55
jonoschestowitz understoodAug 08 19:56
ThistleWebApple to buy Canonical and base the next OSX on it </sarcasm>Aug 08 19:56
jonoChips_B_Malroy, I appreciate the apology thoughAug 08 19:56
jono:)Aug 08 19:56
schestowitzMeh. PR: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20012507-1.htmlAug 08 19:56
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schestowitzjono: not much Ubuntu news recentlyAug 08 19:57
schestowitzThe PR impact has been lessened in recent monthsAug 08 19:57
schestowitzBased on the news feedsAug 08 19:57
schestowitzAndroid, Android, Android, Android...Aug 08 19:57
schestowitz"Android" is the new "Ubuntu"Aug 08 19:57
schestowitzLinux lives somewhere in PortlandAug 08 19:57
Chips_B_MalroyAndroid is like the Terminator, it cannot be stopped!Aug 08 19:57
schestowitzYeahAug 08 19:58
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: google has momentum..Aug 08 19:58
schestowitzLike I said before, it's a bad nameAug 08 19:58
schestowitzLike "borg"Aug 08 19:58
FurnaceBoy+1Aug 08 19:58
schestowitzYeah... let's welcome the android takeoverAug 08 19:58
FurnaceBoyUbuntu is the other extremeAug 08 19:58
FurnaceBoy(name wise)Aug 08 19:58
schestowitzIt also says something about GoogleAug 08 19:58
schestowitzThat it has no heart/emotionAug 08 19:58
FurnaceBoy+1Aug 08 19:58
schestowitzRemote deletion? "The Android did it"Aug 08 19:58
FurnaceBoyit's ruthless... results oriented...Aug 08 19:58
FurnaceBoyheheAug 08 19:58
schestowitz[19:58] <FurnaceBoy> Ubuntu is the other extremeAug 08 19:59
schestowitzUbuntu is half-naked dudes and girlsAug 08 19:59
FurnaceBoyHahahahAug 08 19:59
schestowitzThe girls are less than half nakedAug 08 19:59
FurnaceBoyNational geographic?Aug 08 19:59
schestowitzTo make it SFWAug 08 19:59
FurnaceBoyLOLAug 08 19:59
Chips_B_MalroyI run the Android live cd intel port in Virtualbox, 1.6 r2, not too bad for a cellphone OS is my opinion.  Gots to be better than any CEAug 08 19:59
schestowitzJeff Waugh was assigned by MarkS to do itAug 08 19:59
schestowitzMark showed them a girl with breastsAug 08 19:59
schestowitzAnd told the dozen or so staff that this was his marketing strategyAug 08 19:59
schestowitzHe called her... I can't remember nowAug 08 20:00
FurnaceBoy"Even half naked asian chicks can't make kinect sexy"Aug 08 20:00
schestowitz"Sabrina" I thinkAug 08 20:00
schestowitzIt's in an old interviewAug 08 20:00
schestowitzI transcribed some of itAug 08 20:00
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yeahAug 08 20:00
schestowitzI have a post about KINect comingAug 08 20:00
schestowitzIt's the next KINAug 08 20:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: in other words, they're marketing to DaemonFC typeAug 08 20:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: who can be swayed by fluff, vaporAug 08 20:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: who have no principles and believe only technical differences matterAug 08 20:01
DaemonFCjono, your retarded Code of Conduct applies in #ubuntu*Aug 08 20:01
FurnaceBoyyu*koff*hongAug 08 20:01
DaemonFCI am not in #ubuntu*Aug 08 20:01
DaemonFCtherefore, I do not agree to your "CoC"Aug 08 20:02
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that doesn't mean you shouldn't behave decently wherever you are.Aug 08 20:02
jonoDaemonFC, of course you don't, you disagree with any kind of civil conduct it seemsAug 08 20:02
DaemonFCChain of C*******Aug 08 20:02
DaemonFCheheAug 08 20:02
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you can't just wave a weapon here and have us all lie downAug 08 20:02
schestowitz[20:01] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: who can be swayed by fluff, vaporAug 08 20:02
schestowitzNoAug 08 20:02
jonoDaemonFC, all we want to see from you is mature, civil, appropriate conductAug 08 20:02
schestowitzThey show girlsAug 08 20:02
schestowitzDaemonFC doesn't like girlsAug 08 20:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he likes em, duct taped to chairs, well enoughAug 08 20:03
jonoDaemonFC, how old are you?Aug 08 20:03
jonoare you a teenager?Aug 08 20:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: his fantasy world is violentAug 08 20:03
schestowitzKin with a gunAug 08 20:03
schestowitzAnd a catAug 08 20:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: where the sexual organ is heavy metal and six chamberedAug 08 20:03
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> even if you don't like Ubuntu, there's no reason to take it out on Jono, he only works for them.Aug 08 20:03
schestowitzhe also has a computerAug 08 20:03
schestowitzwhere he can share photos of world+dog (cat+gun)Aug 08 20:04
DaemonFCand stuff!Aug 08 20:04
Chips_B_MalroyJono> even you, are going to far with what you are saying to DaemonFC.Aug 08 20:04
FurnaceBoy?!Aug 08 20:04
jonoChips_B_Malroy, saying what?Aug 08 20:04
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: he had it comingAug 08 20:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Reading SchoolOS Flyer on Scribd http://scr.bi/arrLi9 #readcastAug 08 20:05
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DaemonFCI never take pictures of myself with a gun because they usually just go have a field day with those if you ever do have to shoot someoneAug 08 20:05
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: 'have to'Aug 08 20:05
DaemonFC"Local gun nut *picture right"...Aug 08 20:05
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you're hoping this will happen.Aug 08 20:05
DaemonFChe's trying to provoke meAug 08 20:05
DaemonFCoh wellAug 08 20:05
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that one day you'll be called upon to do that. And you fantasise that it isn't murder.Aug 08 20:05
schestowitzOvrsixed phone: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-research-shows-off-a-prototype-menlo-mobile-phone/7029Aug 08 20:05
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Chips_B_Malroy<jono> Chips_B_Malroy, saying what?"  Jono, think for a minute, you are the public face for Ubuntu here.  Aug 08 20:06
DaemonFCMicrosoftAug 08 20:06
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jonoChips_B_Malroy, what did I say that you take issue with?Aug 08 20:06
DaemonFCpublic face of zomgvista!Aug 08 20:06
Chips_B_Malroyjono> Chips_B_Malroy, what did I say that you take issue with?"  Nothing with me, just you could be a little nicer to DaemonFC as well.Aug 08 20:07
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: seems the meds have run out, indeedAug 08 20:07
ThistleWebit's convos like this that give fuel to the people who accuse techrights of being fulla nutcasesAug 08 20:07
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: thankfully this is #boycottnovell ;-)Aug 08 20:07
DaemonFCI hope jono didn't pay to much for his Built for Vista sound cardAug 08 20:07
ThistleWebyou can't have a serious conversation with DaemonFC in the channelAug 08 20:08
DaemonFCit probably won't work in 2-3 years even on WindowsAug 08 20:08
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: come on, grow upAug 08 20:08
jonoChips_B_Malroy, I don't believe I have not been nice,  but I am not going to sugar coat the fact that I believe he needs to improve his conductAug 08 20:08
ThistleWebI wouldn't blame jono if he just up and left, given this convoAug 08 20:08
FurnaceBoy+1Aug 08 20:08
FurnaceBoyi frequently leave the channel due to DaemonFC 's toxic spillsAug 08 20:09
jonothese things happen, there are some trolls on the net, just the way things are sometimesAug 08 20:09
DaemonFChttp://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ballmer.jpgAug 08 20:09
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DaemonFCDaddy Warbucks give him the Vista!Aug 08 20:09
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 20:09
ThistleWeband the fact that he's not been warned / kicked etc can easily be interpretted as a sign of consent to keep acting like a childAug 08 20:09
jonoThistleWeb, that is exactly my concern, which is why I suggested it to schestowitzAug 08 20:09
Chips_B_MalroyIt was far worse when Mutux and Lumpy were here, those were real trollsAug 08 20:09
ThistleWebworse is relative, they're not here, he isAug 08 20:10
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/american-billionaires-bill-gates-and-warren-buffett-aim-to-help-solve-worlds-problems/story-e6frg6so-1225902722174Aug 08 20:10
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schestowitzawwwwwwww........Aug 08 20:10
schestowitzNot inquisitiveAug 08 20:10
ThistleWebit does kinda undermine the message of uncovering trolls etc when you allow it in your own channels where you DO have the power to do something about itAug 08 20:11
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> calm down, be nicer to jono, so you do not get kickedAug 08 20:11
ThistleWebthe message becomes "it's alright for us, but not you"Aug 08 20:11
schestowitzDaemonFC: take more pillsAug 08 20:11
DaemonFChttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051219112213/uncyclopedia/images/4/4f/Gnomehint.pngAug 08 20:12
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schestowitzAsk Gonad (your step dad) for methAug 08 20:12
*jono blinksAug 08 20:12
ThistleWebschestowitz: you may as well tell him to carry on, it changes nothingAug 08 20:12
jonook, this is all a little too weird for meAug 08 20:12
jonohave fun folks!Aug 08 20:12
*jono (~jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has left #boycottnovell ("Ex-Chat")Aug 08 20:12
Chips_B_MalroyMS BOB!Aug 08 20:12
*ThistleWeb is now thinking about removing this channel fromt he autojoin in xchatAug 08 20:13
FurnaceBoyhm.Aug 08 20:13
ThistleWebwhat a fucking jokeAug 08 20:13
FurnaceBoywell. ThistleWeb you called it.Aug 08 20:13
Chips_B_MalroyJono needs to develop a little thicker skin, IMO.  In that type of position he will be asked a lot of questions.Aug 08 20:13
FurnaceBoyI don't think Roy's management should be faulted here.Aug 08 20:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC is just not a properly self regulating or self aware adult.Aug 08 20:14
ThistleWebschestowitz: seriously, you do some great work exposing and archiving stuff MS, Novell, Apple etc do but this type of behaviour undermines ALL of that good workAug 08 20:14
DaemonFCand yet I don't have to beAug 08 20:14
DaemonFCcool huh?Aug 08 20:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: around here you do.Aug 08 20:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: keep your exceptional "i can be an armed asshole" for your busted up hometown.Aug 08 20:14
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/328781 "One needn't be a developer to grasp dangers of #Mono trap. Seems distros fall for it in the popularity rat race."Aug 08 20:15
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FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: however, this is the 'junk' channel is it not? isn't #techrights where teh adults hang out?Aug 08 20:15
ThistleWebas an op of the channel, allowing it, or making half hearted warning jokes to try and moderate it IS man management failureAug 08 20:15
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Having a plan can be considered fantasizing I guessAug 08 20:15
DaemonFCnot having a plan and introducing latency is worseAug 08 20:15
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: this violent showreel that runs in your head all the time -- you should get help.Aug 08 20:16
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and throw the guns into a lake. today.Aug 08 20:16
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: before you act out any of those fantasiesAug 08 20:16
ThistleWebyou're not going to get anyone to take techrights seriously if they come in at a time and see thisAug 08 20:16
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: banning isn't a good answer, though. too simple.Aug 08 20:16
Chips_B_MalroyThinking to install MS Bob in Dosbox, just for the heck of itAug 08 20:16
ThistleWebthere's already plenty of peeps who make up shit to throw at you, you don't need real shit to add to the mixAug 08 20:16
Chips_B_MalroyThis is IRC not the front pageAug 08 20:17
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: it's linked from tharAug 08 20:17
ThistleWebyep, the age old "fingers in the ears NANANANA" approach works wondersAug 08 20:17
Chips_B_Malroysometimes yesAug 08 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] You sucks Samsung ! Samsung patents tablet with front+rear touch input http://bit.ly/93HOAP #swpatAug 08 20:18
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FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: I'm not saying nothing should be done. but it's not clear what. imploring him to grow up hasn't worked.Aug 08 20:18
ThistleWebschestowitz: can't you see the damage DaemonFC does in here?Aug 08 20:18
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: he's the only reason I don't join hereAug 08 20:18
FurnaceBoyTihautojoin*Aug 08 20:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're damaging the siteAug 08 20:18
ThistleWebFurnaceBoy: it doesn't work, because he knows he can act with impunity, he'll never be bannedAug 08 20:18
DaemonFCtranslation: you're a wussAug 08 20:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon the thing about the site is, I can't exclude (against my principles), so it means I can't cho … http://identi.ca/notice/45482760Aug 08 20:19
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Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC has his bad days as does everyone.  Even Jono seemed to have a bad day today.Aug 08 20:19
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: so farAug 08 20:19
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: jono? hell no. He was perfectly reasonable and patient.Aug 08 20:19
DaemonFCbad hair dayAug 08 20:19
ThistleWebI appreciate what techrights does but this convo has made me wonder at the sanity on the channelAug 08 20:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: jono probably thinks I have something to do with your abusesAug 08 20:19
schestowitzBut I don'tAug 08 20:19
schestowitzAnd I don't want to tell you how to behave (or kick you)Aug 08 20:19
Chips_B_MalroyI would actually say that DaemonFC contributes more here than Jono does.  Not that both should not be able to comment.Aug 08 20:20
ThistleWebschestowitz: you do if you don't do anything to force him to behave or GTFOAug 08 20:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: jono respects you, as we all do. because we see what you do and say. Aug 08 20:20
schestowitzI spoke to him on the phone Aug 08 20:20
schestowitzHe's coolAug 08 20:20
DaemonFCjono respects his next paycheckAug 08 20:20
schestowitzAfter he did a jack job on the radioAug 08 20:20
ThistleWebthis is YOUR channel. YOU are the op, the site is about YOU, from YOUR reputationAug 08 20:20
DaemonFCbut then again, so does everyoneAug 08 20:20
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: but ban DFC, and who next?Aug 08 20:20
schestowitzBut there's some odd folks hanging around the siteAug 08 20:20
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: it's a bit of a slippery slopeAug 08 20:20
schestowitzLike that guy who called someone's employerAug 08 20:21
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: yuhong is DFC liteAug 08 20:21
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: just a time wasterAug 08 20:21
schestowitzyuhounh is a kidAug 08 20:21
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: putting sugar in the tankAug 08 20:21
schestowitzDaemonFC is acting like oneAug 08 20:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: sureAug 08 20:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they need an opportunity to growAug 08 20:21
schestowitzKids with gunsAug 08 20:21
schestowitzDon't mix wellAug 08 20:21
ThistleWebby not enforcing at least civil conduct, you're endorsing uncivil conductAug 08 20:21
DaemonFCputting sugar in the tank is juvenile and doesn't ruin the engineAug 08 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Loads of north african brown dust over Lisbon, my recently cleaned car looks like it came from some such land.Aug 08 20:22
DaemonFCgoing to jail for costing someone a fuel injector cleaning is not worth itAug 08 20:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: so stop doing it hereAug 08 20:22
schestowitzThistleWeb: not by banningAug 08 20:22
schestowitzLook at GroklawAug 08 20:22
schestowitzGot the reputation of censorAug 08 20:22
FurnaceBoyyeahAug 08 20:22
ThistleWebit's convos like this and people like him that make me hesitate to affiliate myself with this channelAug 08 20:22
schestowitzSo it can brag about no bad language but not accepting viewsAug 08 20:22
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> everyone needs a paycheck or a means to live.  Jono actually seems a mostly honest person to me.  Sure there are times he just doesn't want anwser questions that he dodges.Aug 08 20:22
FurnaceBoyi've had GL posts deletedAug 08 20:22
schestowitzThistleWeb: DaemonFC is not this channelAug 08 20:23
schestowitzHe's an outcast hereAug 08 20:23
ThistleWebschestowitz: you log the channels and post them, anyone who cares can read through and see whyAug 08 20:23
schestowitzThe probelamtic bastard childAug 08 20:23
DaemonFCwoohooAug 08 20:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he's earned that statusAug 08 20:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: won't changeAug 08 20:23
ThistleWebyet one who can do whatever he pleasesAug 08 20:23
Chips_B_Malroyhe mightAug 08 20:23
schestowitzFree as in freedomAug 08 20:23
Chips_B_Malroyhe has changed a lotAug 08 20:23
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: at least each utterance is tagged with nick. intelligent observers can separate.Aug 08 20:24
ThistleWebso he has ZERO reason to behave like a civilised human being thenAug 08 20:24
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: he doesn't believe it's necessary.Aug 08 20:24
schestowitzHe was kicked beforeAug 08 20:24
schestowitzBut he tried hard to get backAug 08 20:24
ThistleWebthat obviously worked thenAug 08 20:24
schestowitzIt didn'tAug 08 20:24
schestowitzHe started cursingAug 08 20:24
Chips_B_MalroyWhen I came here DaemonFC was out of control badly, he has changed a lot,  He contributes.Aug 08 20:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: maybe we need to eliminate his emotional payoffsAug 08 20:24
ThistleWebI'm not gonna waste my time pointing out the obviousAug 08 20:24
DaemonFCcivilization is unnecessary, it's an artificial construct for convenience of people sitting on top of the stackAug 08 20:24
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: sometimes, not todayAug 08 20:25
DaemonFCwho convince those feeding them that they need to obey the rulesAug 08 20:25
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: this is toddler level behaviourAug 08 20:25
Chips_B_Malroycause Jono ticked him off todayAug 08 20:25
DaemonFCwhen public shaming isn't enough, laws get passedAug 08 20:25
DaemonFCwhen laws get broken, people go to jailAug 08 20:26
DaemonFCbut not all laws are equalAug 08 20:26
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/stevejberry/statuses/20633979656 "quality not quantity. that goes for boobs too."Aug 08 20:26
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Chips_B_MalroyDaemon has to take meds, its easy to send him over the edgeAug 08 20:26
ThistleWebya know what? yer welcome to him, I've removed this channel from the autojoins, feel free to remove my twitter posts from the feed if ya like, I'm not fussed either wayAug 08 20:26
DaemonFCcosting a rich person money can get you in more trouble than first degree murderAug 08 20:26
ThistleWebhappy trollin'Aug 08 20:26
ThistleWebcyasAug 08 20:26
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DaemonFCWhy would a civilized society joke about "misdemeanor murder"?Aug 08 20:27
DaemonFCthere's a question for youAug 08 20:27
DaemonFCif you're big on "civilization"Aug 08 20:27
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: he's over no edge.Aug 08 20:27
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: this is just idlingAug 08 20:27
DaemonFCthe "misdemeanor murder" concept exists because we're not equal as much as we like to pretend to beAug 08 20:28
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh yeah that's 10x true for boobsAug 08 20:28
DaemonFCit's society's way of looking the other way when someone they dislike gets "taken care of"Aug 08 20:28
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: as a first cut, you could omit him from logging.Aug 08 20:28
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that would reduce payoff Aug 08 20:28
Chips_B_Malroyfrom the first link on this:  "Flush with the cash, Microsoft may boost its quarterly dividend from $0.13 to $0.15, or a yield of 2.31% at a cost of $700 million per year. After a 21% slide in the stock price over the last quarter, the company's management might use a dividend increase to keep investors from jumping ship."Aug 08 20:28
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: whatever it takes.Aug 08 20:29
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: it's just flogging a dead horseAug 08 20:29
DaemonFCWell, most of the psychiatrists here are imported you knowAug 08 20:29
DaemonFChalf of them barely speak English, I'm sure they care about my problemsAug 08 20:30
Chips_B_Malroypiling on is a good thing, it will help MS die or improve zuner.Aug 08 20:30
schestowitzNice: http://twitter.com/joedevon/statuses/20643334898Aug 08 20:30
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schestowitzLinks to two posts of mineAug 08 20:30
schestowitzTo debunk Gates PRAug 08 20:30
schestowitz"Are you sure? PR: http://bit.ly/aBRy8m http://bit.ly/c2c64o Hmm: http://bit.ly/bj3clq http://bit.ly/98d6uz http://bit.ly/buLzuD "Aug 08 20:30
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: moveAug 08 20:30
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: if you decided to become human, you can move to a human societyAug 08 20:30
DaemonFCI used to go to a psychiatrist until I realized that I'm not the problemAug 08 20:30
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 20:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: correct, you are an insane product of an insane context.Aug 08 20:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but there's a doorAug 08 20:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and it's not the door marked 'shoot some people'Aug 08 20:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that one, is one-wayAug 08 20:31
DaemonFCof course if I was crazy, that's exactly what I would sayAug 08 20:31
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> insulting Jono is like insulting Ubuntu, and many users use Ubuntu, even here.Aug 08 20:31
DaemonFCso I know you're going to make a point of thatAug 08 20:31
DaemonFCI guess I expect the worst out of people as a sort of negative elevationAug 08 20:32
DaemonFCwhere you embrace the fact that the other guy is a complete bastardAug 08 20:32
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: DaemonFC uses Vista/7Aug 08 20:32
DaemonFCand it prepares you for the possibilityAug 08 20:33
DaemonFCon what?Aug 08 20:33
Chips_B_Malroythe best way to make a point, is to never get mad, kill your enemies with kindness.  Not that Jono is in any way the enemy, don't get me wrong.Aug 08 20:33
DaemonFCjono is the enemy withinAug 08 20:33
DaemonFCthat's a good buzz phraseAug 08 20:33
Chips_B_MalroyJono is mostly on our sideAug 08 20:33
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gawMAnz6OEAug 08 20:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon people who comment in the site or come to the IRC channel. We are debating whether to permban @daemonfc ATM (for unruly behav)Aug 08 20:35
Chips_B_Malroywell, I think he does partly watch what happens here, for reaction to mono problems in Ubuntu.  sureAug 08 20:35
Chips_B_Malroybut spy is too severe a wordAug 08 20:35
sebsebseb3Chips_B_Malroy: Who?Aug 08 20:35
sebsebseb3just joined againAug 08 20:35
schestowitzbuntuAug 08 20:35
DaemonFCjono needs to change his tampon and I'm getting flakAug 08 20:35
DaemonFCsebsebseb3, Aug 08 20:35
Chips_B_MalroyI don't think you were totally wrong DaemonFC, only you needed to be nicer about your chat with Jono, and needed to stay on subject.Aug 08 20:37
DaemonFCwell, he reads my blog, decides to get mad, comes in here, starts barking orders at meAug 08 20:37
DaemonFCtrying to get me pissed so I'll snap at himAug 08 20:37
DaemonFCthen asks schestowitz to throw me outAug 08 20:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: it is your choice, and a choice I respect. Maybe ask him to improve and then assess his conduct thereafter.Aug 08 20:38
DaemonFCit's calculatedAug 08 20:38
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*WireWulf is now known as Wulf-is-not-hereAug 08 20:39
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> trying to get me pissed so I'll snap at him"  well, not sure thats what he was trying, but if it was, it worked didn't it?Aug 08 20:39
DaemonFCyeahAug 08 20:39
Chips_B_Malroyso next time be niceAug 08 20:39
Chips_B_Malroythats the proper way to debate, I learned that from GoblinAug 08 20:40
Chips_B_Malroywe all can learnAug 08 20:40
schestowitzhttp://newsfuzion.com/2010/08/06/microsoft-corporation-nasdaqmsft-stock-flounders-long-term-shows-promise/Aug 08 20:40
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: you knowAug 08 20:41
Diablo-D3I should buy ms stockAug 08 20:41
Diablo-D3you know why?Aug 08 20:41
Diablo-D3the stream of idiots who fall for microsoft's lies is neverending.Aug 08 20:41
DaemonFCMicrosoft likes to leak things that makes their stock go downAug 08 20:41
DaemonFCit's intentionalAug 08 20:41
Diablo-D3strictly by the numbers, microsoft isnt a bad buyAug 08 20:41
DaemonFCthat way they can buy it back cheaperAug 08 20:41
Chips_B_Malroyquestion is, how long could MS pay a devidend at blue chip rates?Aug 08 20:42
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: I dont care about dividentsAug 08 20:42
Diablo-D3s/t/d/Aug 08 20:42
DaemonFCstock going down can either be deliberate and taken advantage of and short termAug 08 20:42
sebsebseb3So what have I missed?  DaemonFC annoyed Jono recently ?Aug 08 20:42
Diablo-D3although, the side effect is there are people who DO and happily sell stock (for a loss) when stocks pay less of themAug 08 20:42
Chips_B_Malroyits all they got to raise the stock price out of the krapperAug 08 20:42
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: yes, but you look at it wrongAug 08 20:43
DaemonFCor it can be unintentional and spiral into catastropheAug 08 20:43
Diablo-D3you see a "stock in the crapper" I see a stock on sale.Aug 08 20:43
Chips_B_Malroyagreed, but needs an event to raise the price if you buy it on the cheap, like Ballmer being replaced would help.Aug 08 20:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon we had the same problem in 2008 and 2009. People try to help (apparently) but their harm outweighs our freedom of speech.Aug 08 20:44
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: remember when the US economy hit rock bottom like 2 years ago?Aug 08 20:44
Diablo-D3everyone panicedAug 08 20:44
Diablo-D3I was of the minority who salivated insteadAug 08 20:44
schestowitz[20:41] <Diablo-D3> the stream of idiots who fall for microsoft's lies is neverending.Aug 08 20:44
schestowitzWhy not Apple then?Aug 08 20:44
Chips_B_Malroybuy low sell highAug 08 20:44
schestowitzUsing the same logic...Aug 08 20:44
Diablo-D3yes, and when you're at historically low lows... om nom nom nom nomAug 08 20:44
schestowitzFoconn with some religious symbol (shaped like an appkle)Aug 08 20:44
Diablo-D3schestowitz: I actually have an apple pick open on my paper portfolioAug 08 20:45
Diablo-D3its beating the market Aug 08 20:45
Chips_B_Malroyhow to make a small fortune on the stock market, start with a large fortune.Aug 08 20:45
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: :D :D :D :D :DAug 08 20:45
Chips_B_MalroySorry, I couldn't help myselfAug 08 20:45
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 08 20:45
*schestowitz hates the word portfolioAug 08 20:46
FurnaceBoysebsebseb3: wbAug 08 20:46
MinceRwhat. >> 195810 < schestowitz> MinceR ought to get a sleeping bad and live in one ;-) :-0-Aug 08 20:46
schestowitzApple storeAug 08 20:46
schestowitz*bagAug 08 20:46
schestowitzMany cheerful fan would envy youAug 08 20:46
schestowitz*Apple fansAug 08 20:46
Diablo-D3Ive had microsoft picks open tooAug 08 20:47
Diablo-D3they didnt fare as wellAug 08 20:47
schestowitzHe'd wake up screaming at the middle of the nightAug 08 20:47
schestowitzThe mall would call the policeAug 08 20:47
Chips_B_MalroyDiablo-D3>  of course your plan assumes that MS stock is at the low point.  As a company, I see few products coming that would be helpful and longtime pain.Aug 08 20:47
schestowitzHehe. Diablo-D3 is a Madoff wannebeAug 08 20:47
Diablo-D3schestowitz: what? Madoff NEVER invested that moneyAug 08 20:48
schestowitzWith his portflio strutting..Aug 08 20:48
Diablo-D3how am I like Madoff?Aug 08 20:48
schestowitzJokingAug 08 20:48
schestowitzTesting for reactiomnAug 08 20:48
Chips_B_MalroyWP7 is almost certain to be a failureAug 08 20:48
Diablo-D3I dont portfolio struttAug 08 20:48
Diablo-D3I think wall street is full of shitAug 08 20:48
schestowitzMadoff invested other people's moneyAug 08 20:48
Diablo-D3schestowitz: nopeAug 08 20:48
Diablo-D3he didntAug 08 20:48
Diablo-D3thats the genuis of his scamAug 08 20:48
schestowitzHe did an SSH chain trick on themAug 08 20:48
FurnaceBoyhardly geniusAug 08 20:48
Diablo-D3he hoarded all of it for himselfAug 08 20:48
DaemonFCI have a police scannerAug 08 20:48
FurnaceBoyit's very commonAug 08 20:48
DaemonFCwhy do we pay those idiotsAug 08 20:48
Diablo-D3this is why it was "hard" to catch himAug 08 20:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: take the law into your own handsAug 08 20:49
Diablo-D3he NEVER invested any of itAug 08 20:49
DaemonFCvery rarely do they do something importantAug 08 20:49
DaemonFCor rightAug 08 20:49
Chips_B_MalroyDiablo-D3> what event will cause MS stock to start back up ?Aug 08 20:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: In Indina, police scam YOUAug 08 20:49
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: the market merely needs to believe microsoft has gotten betterAug 08 20:49
schestowitz*scan *IndianaAug 08 20:49
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: it doesnt ACTUALLY have to happen or be trueAug 08 20:49
FurnaceBoy+12Aug 08 20:49
Chips_B_MalroymaybeAug 08 20:49
schestowitzDiablo-D3 has some criminal record or somethingAug 08 20:49
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: now, if they hired me as CEO, clearly this would cause the stock to go back upAug 08 20:49
schestowitzParole officers and stuffAug 08 20:49
Diablo-D3schestowitz: I do not.Aug 08 20:49
schestowitzSo we have some cons hereAug 08 20:49
Chips_B_Malroyperceptions is key, agreedAug 08 20:49
schestowitzOOPSAug 08 20:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: Aug 08 20:49
Diablo-D3yeah DaemonFC is the jail bird hereAug 08 20:50
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: nothing else, in fact, is important.Aug 08 20:50
schestowitzSorry, bad autocompleteAug 08 20:50
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: see ? Ballmer = HaywardAug 08 20:50
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: managing a corporation is managing perceptions, messageAug 08 20:50
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: btw, Ive been researching wall street for years. it isnt what the truth is, its what people think the truth isAug 08 20:50
Diablo-D3its hard to tell the differenceAug 08 20:50
schestowitz"True money"Aug 08 20:50
schestowitz"True success"Aug 08 20:50
Diablo-D3you CAN play by the numbers if you know what the numbers actually meanAug 08 20:50
schestowitz"Truth in advertising"Aug 08 20:50
schestowitz"Trusted computing"Aug 08 20:51
Diablo-D3the numbers are backwards facing belief of what the numbers actually areAug 08 20:51
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 08 20:51
schestowitz"TrueType"Aug 08 20:51
Chips_B_Malroywhich is the reason Ballmer must be replaced now, perception.Aug 08 20:51
Chips_B_Malroyof failureAug 08 20:51
DaemonFCBallmer is a great guyAug 08 20:51
DaemonFChe gives Linux community leaders free Vista7Aug 08 20:51
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: depends.Aug 08 20:51
DaemonFCso they can go tell the world how Linux has failed themAug 08 20:51
Diablo-D3ie, theres a number that tells you how volatile a stock isAug 08 20:51
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: in important ways he may be a successAug 08 20:51
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: remember, this is a dead horse.Aug 08 20:51
Diablo-D3a) its really how volatile it WASAug 08 20:51
DaemonFCand only Ballmer could helpAug 08 20:51
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: it's all timingAug 08 20:51
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: the fleas just need to get the signal at the right time to jump off the corpseAug 08 20:52
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: or be buriedAug 08 20:52
Diablo-D3b) it actually time travels and makes the stock as volatile as it says it does by shaping people's memoriesAug 08 20:52
Diablo-D3c) it also effects future volatility because people forget past performance has no effect on future performanceAug 08 20:52
Diablo-D3all the numbers have similar problemsAug 08 20:53
Diablo-D3it makes people believe thingsAug 08 20:53
Chips_B_MalroyFurnaceBoy> Chips_B_Malroy: remember, this is a dead horse."  Almost, I would say its more of an ageing dying dinosaur.Aug 08 20:53
Diablo-D3its not a "lie" in the sense that all statistics aren't really liesAug 08 20:53
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: walking deadAug 08 20:53
Diablo-D3its just that 99.9% of the _professionals_ on wall street just dont get the numbers.Aug 08 20:53
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: Gates left the building. Why on earth that didn't clue people in, I'll never know.Aug 08 20:54
FurnaceBoy"Mission Accomplished"; greatest heist in history.Aug 08 20:54
Diablo-D3btw, the point of my research has been how do you beat the marketAug 08 20:54
Diablo-D3and guess what Ive concluded?Aug 08 20:54
Diablo-D3you cant do it consistently.Aug 08 20:54
FurnaceBoythe only way to win is not to play?Aug 08 20:54
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: noAug 08 20:54
Diablo-D3the only way to win is to hold all the numbers.Aug 08 20:54
FurnaceBoyyes, i read a good explanation recentlyAug 08 20:55
Diablo-D3its sorta like thisAug 08 20:55
FurnaceBoythat once the stock hits the public markets the money's already been madeAug 08 20:55
Chips_B_Malroylets see wp7 will fail, so that leaves the Xmas shopping season to save Ballmer and the stock prices, unless the board raises the devidend.  Is that about right?  That is how I see the perception playing out.Aug 08 20:55
Diablo-D3why invest in ANY single company?Aug 08 20:55
Diablo-D3invest in them allAug 08 20:55
Diablo-D3vanguard's first index fund was designed around that conceptAug 08 20:55
Chips_B_Malroymutal fundAug 08 20:55
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: you seem a little too concerned about the vicissitudes of MSFTAug 08 20:55
Diablo-D3they invested in the whole s&p 500 (which is like 98% of all the money on the stock market)Aug 08 20:56
Diablo-D3its been "replaced" with one that does all 1000% (almost 4000 companies)Aug 08 20:56
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: popcorn, wait for the real crash. Aug 08 20:56
Chips_B_MalroyMS is the dark side of Linux, almost all new users will come from windowsAug 08 20:56
Diablo-D3Ive been trying to beat that indexAug 08 20:56
Diablo-D3its _very very very fucking hard_Aug 08 20:56
Chips_B_MalroyyesAug 08 20:56
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: yeAug 08 20:56
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: which puts Ubuntu in a critical position.... Aug 08 20:56
Diablo-D3the only method Ive found is to build a micro index of my ownAug 08 20:56
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: are they ready....Aug 08 20:56
Diablo-D3I limit myself to 200 companiesAug 08 20:57
Diablo-D3and I fuck up frequently, but my fuckups still make moneyAug 08 20:57
Diablo-D3just not as MUCH moneyAug 08 20:57
Chips_B_MalroyI don't hate Ubuntu, just I perfer other distro's.  And its not my personal choice to use mono.  Aug 08 20:57
Diablo-D3my average pick beats the market by a tiny amountAug 08 20:57
Chips_B_Malroybut that does not make it completely bad for othersAug 08 20:58
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: during my first year of doing this, the s&p 500 rose 22%Aug 08 20:58
Diablo-D3I hit 24%.Aug 08 20:58
Chips_B_MalroyDiablo-D3> my average pick beats the market by a tiny amount"  so you day trade?Aug 08 20:59
Diablo-D3thats how very fucking little I beat the market.Aug 08 20:59
Diablo-D3no, no day tradingAug 08 20:59
Diablo-D3I force myself to hold a stock more than 7 days.Aug 08 20:59
Chips_B_Malroymore long term thenAug 08 20:59
Diablo-D3if I fuck up, I have to take my lumps.Aug 08 20:59
Diablo-D3its the only way to make sure I get better at itAug 08 20:59
Chips_B_Malroyor hold them longer?Aug 08 20:59
Diablo-D3some Ive held for monthsAug 08 20:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Kmart Briefly Offers $149 Android Tablet - http://bit.ly/c3ugkp why #iPad will be niche: impulse, near-disposable #Android tabletsAug 08 21:00
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Chips_B_Malroymakes senseAug 08 21:00
Diablo-D3it a good pick keeps going nuts, I keep holding itAug 08 21:00
Diablo-D3my best pick was a gain of 352%, the market only went up 21%Aug 08 21:00
Diablo-D3my worst was a loss of 38%.Aug 08 21:01
Diablo-D3and the market went up less than a percentAug 08 21:01
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Diablo-D3so at least Im skewed in the right directionAug 08 21:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Kmart Briefly Offers $149 Android Tablet http://bit.ly/c3ugkp why iPad will be niche: impulse, near-disposable Android tabletsAug 08 21:03
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DaemonFCUbuntu One is the fruit of the poisonous treeAug 08 21:03
schestowitzNo, that's youAug 08 21:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody unless Apple sues with #swpats , as usualAug 08 21:05
Diablo-D3out of 3601 picks thus far, 1425 beat the market, 2176 didntAug 08 21:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bill Gates: Forget university, web is the future for education - http://bit.ly/dAFVjI good to see Bill singing virtues of free stuff #ocwAug 08 21:06
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Chips_B_MalroyDiablo-D3>what online site do you think is best to buy sell with?Aug 08 21:06
Chips_B_MalroystocksAug 08 21:06
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: probably sogotradeAug 08 21:06
Diablo-D3btw, statistics are hilariousAug 08 21:07
Diablo-D31425 out of 3601 beat the market, 2176 out of 3601 didnt...Aug 08 21:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ex-Torrent Site Admin To Face ‘Copyright Crime’ Charges - http://bit.ly/9GOWMJ I find this sudden enthusiasm for copyright fishy #bulgariaAug 08 21:08
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Diablo-D3but 1900 closed above zero, 1701 didntAug 08 21:08
Diablo-D3so Im still "making money"Aug 08 21:08
Diablo-D3and my average pick beats the market around 1%.Aug 08 21:09
Diablo-D3so.Aug 08 21:09
Diablo-D3blergh.Aug 08 21:09
Diablo-D3and this is about as good as it gets.Aug 08 21:09
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Chips_B_Malroywell, maybe it beats playing poker, heheAug 08 21:09
Chips_B_Malroyseldom can lose it allAug 08 21:10
Chips_B_Malroyits interesting, I would like to try it actuallyAug 08 21:10
Diablo-D3wellAug 08 21:11
Diablo-D3Im merely trying to prove the best method ever wrongAug 08 21:11
Diablo-D3and I cant.Aug 08 21:11
Chips_B_Malroybest method:  as in buy low sell highAug 08 21:12
Diablo-D3wrongAug 08 21:12
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/08/despite-petition-uk-government-to-keep-ie6.arsAug 08 21:12
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Chips_B_Malroywhich is why ms stock interests you, its so low nowAug 08 21:12
schestowitzArs caught this news lateAug 08 21:12
Diablo-D3the best method: form a market cap weighted index, own the entire market, never sell.Aug 08 21:13
schestowitz_Goblin: what do you think, should DaemonFC be banned?Aug 08 21:13
DaemonFCI doAug 08 21:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it will inflat his self importanceAug 08 21:13
schestowitzYou need to behaveAug 08 21:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you need to remove the feedback loopsAug 08 21:13
DaemonFCDaemonFC is a menace and he must be silenced!Aug 08 21:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: emotional payoff. juts like a toddler.Aug 08 21:13
DaemonFConce and for all!Aug 08 21:13
schestowitzwe'll try ti keep it on topicAug 08 21:14
FurnaceBoyyesAug 08 21:14
FurnaceBoythat's a worthy objective.Aug 08 21:14
schestowitzBut anyway, he upset jono for a while nowAug 08 21:14
schestowitzNot just todayAug 08 21:14
FurnaceBoyand ThistleWebAug 08 21:14
schestowitzhe does is very much on purposeAug 08 21:14
FurnaceBoywho's goneAug 08 21:14
FurnaceBoyand he's the only reason i don't autojoinAug 08 21:14
schestowitzMaybe he's got a crush on jono, but he;s marries to EricaAug 08 21:14
DaemonFC7ono is a sad sad PandaAug 08 21:14
_Goblinschestowitz: sorry I was AFKAug 08 21:14
DaemonFC:PAug 08 21:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I vote no banAug 08 21:15
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I vote for cutting off his emotional payoffsAug 08 21:15
Chips_B_MalroyI too vote no banAug 08 21:15
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: DaemonFC needs a boyfriendAug 08 21:15
_Goblinschestowitz: So would I....he has his moments, but he's fun to talk to.Aug 08 21:15
DaemonFCI vote banAug 08 21:15
schestowitzHis hormones make him need a pillAug 08 21:15
DaemonFCkill even!Aug 08 21:15
schestowitzkill -p DaemonFCAug 08 21:16
Chips_B_Malroya warning is in order a times, and if one fails repeated warnings, or if the outrage is too much, maybe kickbanned for the day?Aug 08 21:16
FurnaceBoysure he's an embarrassment, like the retarded cousin, but he can hang around the barbecueAug 08 21:16
DaemonFCno, kill my most distant ancestorAug 08 21:16
_Goblinagree with chips there.Aug 08 21:16
_Goblinban for a dayAug 08 21:16
DaemonFCthat way you take out all the other idiots on the planetAug 08 21:16
FurnaceBoyright a ban for a day--electric shockAug 08 21:17
_Goblinif failing to observe warning.Aug 08 21:17
Chips_B_MalroyToo be fair to DaemonFC, Jono was not completely in line either.Aug 08 21:17
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: huh?Aug 08 21:17
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: DFC was acting like a poo-flinging 3 year old in a tantrumAug 08 21:17
DaemonFCoh wellAug 08 21:17
Chips_B_MalroyI thought he got a bit nasty too with DaemonAug 08 21:17
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: added zero to teh debate. caused two people to leave, disgusted.Aug 08 21:17
FurnaceBoyare you kidding> he was very patient.Aug 08 21:18
Chips_B_Malroyjust my take on itAug 08 21:18
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: DFC added nothing usefulAug 08 21:18
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: only subtractedAug 08 21:18
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: as you see by the reactions of people presentAug 08 21:18
DaemonFCI'll have a Windows 7 burger with BaconAug 08 21:18
DaemonFC:PAug 08 21:18
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsofts-revolving-small-business-door-revolves-again/7017Aug 08 21:18
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schestowitzAnother one quitsAug 08 21:19
MinceRcivilization would be a good idea. >> 211904 < DaemonFC> if you're big on "civilization"Aug 08 21:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: try to be a gentlemanAug 08 21:21
schestowitzPeople would also respect you this way, not treat you like a brat that you areAug 08 21:21
schestowitzYou used to be worseAug 08 21:21
schestowitzhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/7925912/Microsoft-teases-Twitter-with-tablet-rumours.htmlAug 08 21:21
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft teases Twitter with tablet rumours - Telegraph .::. Size~: 49.8 KBAug 08 21:21
schestowitz'leaks'Aug 08 21:21
schestowitzFake or not fakeAug 08 21:21
schestowitzMicrosoft's, not breastsAug 08 21:21
FurnaceBoysighAug 08 21:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Greenstone experiences in Latin America & Caribbean - http://bit.ly/bcljzV open source: "assembling electronic dox into digital collections"Aug 08 21:22
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schestowitzThey have tons of articles likle thisAug 08 21:22
schestowitz'leaks'Aug 08 21:22
schestowitzLook... it's amysterious pictureAug 08 21:22
schestowitzFor PR usesAug 08 21:22
Chips_B_Malroythey are also leaking moneyAug 08 21:22
schestowitzMicorsoft: "oh no..*fake grin* we leaks it by accident... AGAIN'Aug 08 21:22
schestowitz*leakedAug 08 21:22
Chips_B_Malroythe black mouse box thingie?Aug 08 21:23
Chips_B_MalroyleakedAug 08 21:23
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yesAug 08 21:23
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yeah!Aug 08 21:23
schestowitzMaybe it's Da Costa's machineAug 08 21:23
schestowitzNext to the Vista7 padAug 08 21:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: premature ejaculationAug 08 21:23
Chips_B_Malroythey have to leak it like it something great or nobody would talk about it, even the shillsAug 08 21:23
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: a crop doesn't countAug 08 21:23
schestowitz*dropAug 08 21:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Openbytes recommends: EN5Radio - www.en5radio.com A friend of mine is one of the DJ's (Johno) tune in! #radio #en5 #barnet #musicAug 08 21:24
schestowitzKIN...Aug 08 21:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they're impotent anywayAug 08 21:24
schestowitzThe ZUNE that couldn't "squrirt"Aug 08 21:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.zunesphere.com/2006/11/22/squirting-with-the-zune/Aug 08 21:26
_Goblinschestowitz: I love that squirt.....an excellent example of nobody thinking what could be made of the word at RedmondAug 08 21:26
TechrightsBotTitle:   Squirting with the Zune | ZuneSphere .::. Size~: 44.54 KBAug 08 21:26
_Goblinschestowitz: a little like BingAug 08 21:26
schestowitzThis guy's Zune squirts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Mi0Bw75GIAug 08 21:26
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schestowitz[NSFW-ish]Aug 08 21:27
_Goblin"We need a word for our tech..."Aug 08 21:27
_Goblin"How about squirt?"Aug 08 21:27
_Goblin"Yeah, thats the one! nobody will draw any mockery from that!"Aug 08 21:27
schestowitzHe squirts from the wrong holeAug 08 21:28
_Goblinlol...Aug 08 21:28
schestowitz[see vid]Aug 08 21:28
schestowitzHe drank Microsoft Kool-AidAug 08 21:28
schestowitzThat's what came out of itAug 08 21:28
schestowitzMicrosoft Kool-Aid - runs through yur body like laxitivesAug 08 21:29
Chips_B_MalroytoxicAug 08 21:29
schestowitzZune was crapAug 08 21:29
schestowitzIt'll be buried soonAug 08 21:29
schestowitzKIN needs no ZuneOSAug 08 21:30
Chips_B_MalroyNo, Zune was just marketed badly as in no marketing, lol.  Thats what all the zune shill say.Aug 08 21:30
schestowitzOh noes!!Aug 08 21:31
Chips_B_Malroyso the kin ZuneOS is being rolled into wp7Aug 08 21:31
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schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/08/microsoft_exec_to_parallels_paris_on_paul_allens_yacht_etc.htmlAug 08 21:31
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_Goblinthat f'kin Windows 7 Mobile.....Aug 08 21:33
_Goblinno copy n pasteAug 08 21:33
_Goblinno private wifi accessAug 08 21:33
_Goblinno multitasking (user level)Aug 08 21:33
_Goblinno hopeAug 08 21:33
schestowitzhttp://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2010/08/start-spreading-news-future-of-jimmy.htmlAug 08 21:33
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schestowitzsame with the phone Aug 08 21:34
schestowitzAnd KINectAug 08 21:34
Chips_B_MalroyFirst Zune will die.  Then WP7 will fail.  Next Windows and Office will continue to lose market share as Android and ChromeOS come onboard.Aug 08 21:34
schestowitzThey can't do hardwareAug 08 21:34
schestowitzThey should just get something and rebrandAug 08 21:34
schestowitzThey tried with Danger and killed itAug 08 21:34
Chips_B_MalroyNP, there is ARMAug 08 21:34
schestowitzThe Microsoff logo is the logo of doom for a productAug 08 21:34
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: ARM->vapour for MicrosoftAug 08 21:34
schestowitz"look, we're doing something"Aug 08 21:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Gosh, what a loud noise the washing machine made as it blew multiple fuses! Launderette for us for a while ...Aug 08 21:35
schestowitzNew Chips, Chips_B_MalroyAug 08 21:35
schestowitzMicrosoft has no ARM and no legs leftAug 08 21:35
Chips_B_MalroyThe MS logo is in itself not respected by many people.  Putting that logo on anything other than desktop windows, is a problem for MSAug 08 21:35
Chips_B_Malroywe can thank xbox360 for thatAug 08 21:36
Chips_B_Malroyschestowitz> They can't do hardware"  For one I am not impressed with their software either.Aug 08 21:37
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schestowitzHi, ThistleWebAug 08 21:39
DaemonFCNetscape 6 should be the default browser on UNRAug 08 21:39
DaemonFC:)Aug 08 21:39
schestowitzWould you prefer it is DaemonFC was bannedAug 08 21:39
ThistleWebjust back in for a minute to let you know about my latest blog post and give you a chance to read and respondAug 08 21:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | The Techrights IRC Channel On Freenode http://bit.ly/cU1EjYAug 08 21:40
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ThistleWebthere it isAug 08 21:40
schestowitzLet me readAug 08 21:40
ThistleWebwasn't sure if you'd removed my twitter account or not, so I came in here to manually post it just in caseAug 08 21:40
schestowitzJust read itAug 08 21:44
schestowitzI told jono we are condering banning DaemonFC permanentlyAug 08 21:44
schestowitz*consideringAug 08 21:44
Chips_B_MalroyThisleWeb> I think you should reconsider, and decide after a few days, not right away.Aug 08 21:44
ThistleWebChips_B_Malroy: reconsider what?Aug 08 21:45
schestowitzI did tell ryan to sod offAug 08 21:45
ThistleWebit's not my decisionAug 08 21:45
schestowitzHe was pissing me off while I was trying to talk to jonoAug 08 21:45
Chips_B_Malroyleaving of courseAug 08 21:45
schestowitzit's ryan's only way of getting people to talk to him.., to annoy yhemAug 08 21:45
schestowitz*themAug 08 21:45
_GoblinI can understand the points, I had an experience here with another user (no Daemonfc)...having said that in my case, that person is gone so I returned...Aug 08 21:45
ThistleWebtonight was just an obvious example that just pushed my buttonsAug 08 21:45
schestowitzEven his shrinks gave up on himAug 08 21:45
schestowitzI remember when we banned himAug 08 21:45
schestowitzThen felt bad about his lonelinessAug 08 21:46
ThistleWebat times like that you rely on the channel ops to enforce civil behaviourAug 08 21:46
ThistleWebregular users can't enforce anythingAug 08 21:46
schestowitzThistleWeb: banning can be uncivil tooAug 08 21:46
schestowitzThistleWeb: they can voteAug 08 21:46
schestowitzThat's why he was banned beforeAug 08 21:46
ThistleWebwhen the ops turn a blind eye, you have a choice...either stay and put up with it, or leaveAug 08 21:46
schestowitzToo many complaints in PMsAug 08 21:46
schestowitzOr PM a complaintAug 08 21:47
_Goblinhow about Roy, you consider handing over channel ops permanently to someone else(Independant) then you can't be held to account with what happens or who comes here....Aug 08 21:47
_Goblinand they can make the banning decisions.Aug 08 21:47
schestowitzSure..Aug 08 21:47
Chips_B_Malroythere has to be an orderly method if enforcing is done.  First a warning, and then maybe another, depending on how serious the offence is.  And then kicked for the day.  Followed by same, and then kicked longer.Aug 08 21:47
_Goblinmaybe the person who is most active here....Aug 08 21:48
ThistleWebI had no intention of doing a blog post tonight, let alone a long one, I was trying to figure out stuff on my first Drupal themeAug 08 21:48
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitzAug 08 21:48
ThistleWebthat's been derailed for the last couple of hoursAug 08 21:48
ThistleWebyes I know, my actions, my responsibilityAug 08 21:48
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to _Goblin ThistleWebAug 08 21:48
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitzAug 08 21:48
_Goblinnooo!Aug 08 21:49
_GoblinI didn't mean me!Aug 08 21:49
_Goblinlol...Aug 08 21:49
ThistleWeblolAug 08 21:49
schestowitzYou can police the channelAug 08 21:49
_GoblinI don't want that sort of grief!Aug 08 21:49
Chips_B_MalroyheheAug 08 21:49
schestowitzNow you have the burdenAug 08 21:49
*DaemonFC (~ryan@adsl-99-33-232-85.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) has left #boycottnovell ("Leaving")Aug 08 21:49
ThistleWebI get why the open door policyAug 08 21:49
schestowitzNow I feel bad...Aug 08 21:49
schestowitzI can imagine him sobbing inside with his catAug 08 21:49
schestowitzHe has no friendsAug 08 21:49
ThistleWebtoughAug 08 21:50
_Goblinseriously....I shouldnt have Ops....I vote chips should get my op.Aug 08 21:50
Chips_B_MalroynooooAug 08 21:50
ThistleWebwith behaviour like that he dosent deserve anyAug 08 21:50
_Goblinhow about furnace boy?Aug 08 21:50
ThistleWebthe only person anyone can be responsible for is themselvesAug 08 21:50
Chips_B_MalroyI am not here that muchAug 08 21:50
_Goblinor martiAug 08 21:50
_Goblinor anyoneAug 08 21:50
Chips_B_Malroyno, Goblin is a good choiceAug 08 21:51
_Goblin....Aug 08 21:51
_Goblincan I go off topic a second and tell people my problem....Aug 08 21:51
_Goblin?Aug 08 21:51
ThistleWeblol, make Ryan an op, give him some sense of duty and responsibility, it'll either destroy your cause or make a man out of himAug 08 21:51
ThistleWebI suspect the formerAug 08 21:51
_GoblinMy mouse is jumping......Aug 08 21:51
_GoblinCan't work out the problem (must be hardware)Aug 08 21:52
_Goblinwhy...Aug 08 21:52
_Goblinbecause Ive booted 3 liveCD's and its doing the same thing.Aug 08 21:52
ThistleWebmine sometimes does that, it moves about a cm away from where the pointer wasAug 08 21:52
Chips_B_Malroytime for a new mouse?Aug 08 21:52
_Goblintried another mouse alreadyAug 08 21:52
Chips_B_Malroywhat kind of mouse?Aug 08 21:52
_GoblinsameAug 08 21:52
ThistleWebusb?Aug 08 21:53
_GoblinyepAug 08 21:53
Chips_B_Malroymy trackpad does that on the laptopAug 08 21:53
_Goblinand a standardAug 08 21:53
_Goblinno trackpad...Aug 08 21:53
Chips_B_Malroy*touchpadAug 08 21:53
ThistleWebI found USB mice tend to be a little slow to get the message that "oh right I'm being moved, better move the pointer"Aug 08 21:53
_GoblinIts only just started doing it....I am thinking its a hardware faultAug 08 21:53
ThistleWebbut after they get that initial signal they're responsive enoughAug 08 21:53
Chips_B_Malroyon my thinkpad laptop that has both a touchpad and a trackpoint, the touchpad does that, but the trackpoint works correctlyAug 08 21:54
_GoblinIm having to use keys.Aug 08 21:54
schestowitzhttp://gizmodo.com/5603596/what-is-microsofts-mysterious-black-nubAug 08 21:54
TechrightsBotTitle: What Is Microsoft's Mysterious Black Nub? .::. Size~: 79.47 KBAug 08 21:54
schestowitz"Mysterious Black Nub"Aug 08 21:54
schestowitzIt's PRAug 08 21:54
schestowitzThat's what it isAug 08 21:54
Chips_B_Malroyno, its another failed MS projectAug 08 21:56
schestowitzMaybeAug 08 21:56
schestowitzThey also did KIN 'leaks'Aug 08 21:56
schestowitzIIRCAug 08 21:56
schestowitzEverything is a leak nowAug 08 21:56
schestowitzLike Apple'sAug 08 21:56
Chips_B_Malroyits a leaking boat for sureAug 08 21:57
Chips_B_Malroyor sinkingAug 08 21:57
schestowitzWith Apple they have a ceremonial introduction by Bishop JobsAug 08 21:57
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: not sinking yetAug 08 21:57
Chips_B_Malroyzune to sinkAug 08 21:57
schestowitzYou need to put it in water firstAug 08 21:57
Chips_B_Malroy*soonAug 08 21:57
schestowitzzune also stinkAug 08 21:57
schestowitzsee video of Zune Paint manAug 08 21:57
Chips_B_MalroyyesAug 08 21:57
schestowitzIt's artisticAug 08 21:58
schestowitzLike they took a supine Microsoft CEO and had him render a ZuneAug 08 21:58
Chips_B_Malroyballmer's zune fountain  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioOc_5FPdaMAug 08 21:59
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Ballmers  Zune fountain,&lrm; .::. Size~: 80 KBAug 08 21:59
schestowitzI feel bad about ryan, stillAug 08 21:59
Chips_B_Malroywell, he do go too far, but an agruement usually needs two sides.Aug 08 22:00
ThistleWebwhat? I'm an op?Aug 08 22:00
schestowitzI thought it would be a rebranded Zune Paint videoAug 08 22:00
ThistleWebI dunno any irc op commandsAug 08 22:00
schestowitzThistleWeb: yes, I can't take the burdenAug 08 22:00
schestowitzOf having to take guidance on what to doAug 08 22:00
ThistleWebI can learn I guessAug 08 22:00
schestowitzRyan might kill someone now...Aug 08 22:01
schestowitzI don't know, he's crazyAug 08 22:01
Chips_B_Malroygo easy on DeamonFC, thistleWeb.  Give him warnings first, maybe he can get better still.Aug 08 22:01
schestowitzHe softens when he's having time in the penalty boxAug 08 22:02
ThistleWebah, so we're onto the "make light of it" phaseAug 08 22:02
ThistleWebgotchaAug 08 22:02
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: he lives in Indiana next to ex-consAug 08 22:02
schestowitzThey don't like gaysAug 08 22:02
Chips_B_MalroyHis being gay has nothing to do with it.  This is IRC, its only about talkingAug 08 22:03
schestowitzI think he views this channel as a sort of second family cause his INternet is the escape after he had lost his job and went mental on his state govt.Aug 08 22:03
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: the point is, I think he likes the people hereAug 08 22:04
ThistleWebif he values it you;d think he wouldn't do anyhting which might jepardise itAug 08 22:04
schestowitzHe posts photos and puts his mugs and videos here... starts talking to us live for hoursAug 08 22:04
schestowitzThistleWeb: but he has bad daysAug 08 22:04
Chips_B_Malroyhe has problems by his own account and has to take meds for it, which is why I lightned up on him.  If you remember I was very much for banning him perminently the first time.Aug 08 22:05
ThistleWebso does everyoneAug 08 22:05
schestowitzCause he feels like he can do anything he likesAug 08 22:05
_GoblinMy opinion....Aug 08 22:05
_Goblinhe's an attention seeker..Aug 08 22:05
schestowitzHe has been here for almost 2 years on and offAug 08 22:05
ThistleWebyou not forcing him to behave means he CAN do what he pleasesAug 08 22:05
schestowitzHe was always the 'bad kid'Aug 08 22:05
schestowitz_Goblin: exactlyAug 08 22:06
ThistleWebbottom line, you do what you want in regards to Ryan and take the consequences on your reputationAug 08 22:06
_GoblinI think he posts out of bordom too..Aug 08 22:06
schestowitzHe locks himself up in his room cause the neighbours are dangerous, so he has cravings for attention and he provokes to get thatAug 08 22:07
ThistleWebjust because the guy is lonely and needs meds doesn't mean we should have to put up with him being an asshole at every turnAug 08 22:07
ThistleWebhe's a fucking Windows user tooAug 08 22:07
tessier_Indiana...*shudder*Aug 08 22:07
schestowitzThistleWeb: it can be seen as condoning if I encouraged that, but I don't. It's more to do with me not banning for like a whole yearAug 08 22:08
schestowitztessier_: your family is thereAug 08 22:08
tessier_Indeed.Aug 08 22:08
Chips_B_MalroyThistleWeb> you not forcing him to behave means he CAN do what he pleases"  You being the system op now means you can make those decisions.  DaemonFC has his bad days, but a warning or warnings, depending on how bad he breaks the rules, would be a good sign of fairness from you.  Rules should be enforced on a uniform basis, do you agree?Aug 08 22:08
ThistleWebby your half hearted "rebukes" you ARE encouraging himAug 08 22:08
schestowitzNext time he'll not get away with itAug 08 22:09
ThistleWebChips_B_Malroy: I am all in favour of balance, uniformity etc the same rules apply to everyoneAug 08 22:09
Chips_B_MalroyI thought so, actuallyAug 08 22:09
ThistleWebthe question becomes "how many warnings"Aug 08 22:09
ThistleWebis every one a final one?Aug 08 22:10
Chips_B_Malroyso that will actually make it harder for you to ban someone who should be banned, same way as Roy does not do so too.Aug 08 22:10
schestowitzwe have no IRC policyAug 08 22:10
schestowitzWe only have comment policyAug 08 22:10
schestowitzMaybe someone wants to type it up in the wiki?Aug 08 22:10
ThistleWebhe seems to fall back to this kinda shit over and over and over and over againAug 08 22:10
Chips_B_Malroyhow many, thats up the the system op, isn't it?Aug 08 22:10
schestowitzYeahAug 08 22:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im really loving Sabayon 5.3 ... so simple, so fast....Aug 08 22:11
schestowitzLEt me set up a wiki pageAug 08 22:11
ThistleWebfor me, he's had way too many chancesAug 08 22:11
Chips_B_Malroybut he needs to be warned on what is exceptable and what is not.Aug 08 22:11
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Commenting_PolicyAug 08 22:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Commenting Policy - Techrights .::. Size~: 12.48 KBAug 08 22:11
Chips_B_Malroyand what will happen if he keeps it upAug 08 22:12
ThistleWebindeed, but I;'m guessing it won't matterAug 08 22:12
schestowitzEdit away: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IRC_PolicyAug 08 22:12
TechrightsBotTitle: IRC Policy - Techrights .::. Size~: 10.48 KBAug 08 22:12
Chips_B_Malroy a system op is a lot like a moderator on a linux forumAug 08 22:12
schestowitzOne sentence might doAug 08 22:12
ThistleWebhe's gotten away with it for a couple of yrs, everytime it blows up he just waits it out knowing nothing is gonna happenAug 08 22:12
ThistleWebthen it's back to the same old shit, business as usualAug 08 22:13
Chips_B_Malroyhow about come back on probation, less warnings when backAug 08 22:13
ThistleWebless?Aug 08 22:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking at all the distro's Ive tried, probably the one that sticks in my mind most is Ubuntu 8.04LTS, its still running on one of my rigs!Aug 08 22:14
Chips_B_Malroyless as in one, once kickbanned for a short probation period?Aug 08 22:14
Chips_B_Malroyfor same offenceAug 08 22:14
_GoblinI think if its agreed he's toxic, then there should be no more chances since it will just cause trouble again...if people do wish to let him back here then I think there must be a clear understanding he'll be banned without warning next time...IMO.Aug 08 22:14
ThistleWebI get the whole "pity fuck" ellement to thisAug 08 22:14
Chips_B_MalroySee Ryan left as soon as you became system op, as he knew you would ban himAug 08 22:15
ThistleWebI don't know any op commandsAug 08 22:15
ThistleWebI'd need to learnAug 08 22:15
ThistleWebI didn't bring this up to become an opAug 08 22:15
_GoblinI didn't even want the responsibility.Aug 08 22:16
Chips_B_MalroyGoblin> he was not banned today, I think Ryan just left, not kickedAug 08 22:16
_GoblinahAug 08 22:16
ThistleWebI do think it's wise for schestowitz to give the ops to a third party thoughAug 08 22:16
_Goblinagreed...Aug 08 22:16
_Goblinjust not me.Aug 08 22:16
ThistleWebdito lolAug 08 22:17
Chips_B_Malroywell, I don't envy you guys as system ops, hehe, its a tuff job to be fairAug 08 22:17
ThistleWebI only noticed something changed when I saw a green dot next to my nameAug 08 22:17
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: it's cause only Brtis have ops :-pAug 08 22:17
schestowitzSeriously though, it's cause you're offline most of the timeAug 08 22:17
_Goblinheres an idea....Aug 08 22:18
Chips_B_Malroyyes, and you and I know I would not be a good choice either.  I would have to overcompensate for my desire to ban MS shills right away, thereby leaving them on longer.Aug 08 22:18
_Goblinwhat about a modification to the techrights bot? We could have it so any user could request another to be banned and then other users could vote yes or no....after a certain amount the person gets banned....Aug 08 22:19
ThistleWebI dunno how to check for nymshifts etcAug 08 22:19
Chips_B_MalroyThistleWeb, will have to leave ryan on longer to show he is fair as well, which is probably what Roy did too at firstAug 08 22:19
MinceRactually there's no limit to the number of users that can be opped at any given timeAug 08 22:20
_GoblinahAug 08 22:20
_GoblinMincer....Aug 08 22:20
_Goblinyou can be OP...Aug 08 22:20
_Goblinyou are a good choice.Aug 08 22:20
_Goblinyou can have mine.Aug 08 22:20
Chips_B_Malroyvoting dosen't work, if enough linsux people got in here they could vote us outAug 08 22:20
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: true...good idea on paper though.Aug 08 22:21
Chips_B_MalroyyesAug 08 22:21
MinceRi'll leave the choice to Roy.Aug 08 22:21
ThistleWebvoting would work if the ban isnt triggered, but forwarded to an op to decide onAug 08 22:21
MinceRbut i think having a couple regular ops would be a good idea.Aug 08 22:22
MinceRbecause often no op is around when a kiddie comes to floodAug 08 22:22
schestowitz_Goblin: add MinceRAug 08 22:22
schestowitzHe's tough... like STALINAug 08 22:22
schestowitz:-pAug 08 22:22
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR would be a good one tooAug 08 22:22
MinceRlolAug 08 22:23
ThistleWebhe build his very own goulag as a DIY project at the weekendAug 08 22:23
Chips_B_Malroythankfully I am in the USAAug 08 22:23
MinceRlolAug 08 22:23
*Judas_PhD has quit (Quit: Aaarrrggghhh!!!)Aug 08 22:23
schestowitzThey'll call it Microsoft MVP clubAug 08 22:23
schestowitzEvangelism liberatesAug 08 22:23
schestowitzhttp://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/10-Things-Microsoft-did-right-during-fiscal-2010/1281044221Aug 08 22:24
TechrightsBotTitle: 10 Things Microsoft did right during fiscal 2010 | Betanews .::. Size~: 75.35 KBAug 08 22:24
schestowitzy Joe Wilcox Aug 08 22:25
schestowitzNot quite a Microsoft basher yetAug 08 22:25
*_Goblin gives channel operator status to MinceRAug 08 22:25
schestowitzhe just feeds his trollsAug 08 22:25
schestowitz"(Unofficially) fired J Allard and Robbie Bach." - Joe Wilcox |Aug 08 22:25
schestowitzWilcox writes very littleAug 08 22:26
schestowitzMaybe twice a weekAug 08 22:26
schestowitzhttp://www.betanews.com/joewilcoxAug 08 22:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Joe Wilcox | Betanews .::. Size~: 64.76 KBAug 08 22:26
schestowitzHe probably has another jobAug 08 22:26
schestowitzHe has a young daughter to look afterAug 08 22:26
schestowitzMicrosoft Nick took his place and turned the place into a ghost townAug 08 22:27
Chips_B_MalroyBach was supposed to be close personal (crony) friends of Ballmer, which might be the reason he was not fired for the over one billion poured into warrenty replacements of failed xbox360's.Aug 08 22:27
schestowitzEven Da Costa gave up on Microsoft-WatchAug 08 22:27
schestowitzYeah, I thought Bach was CEO candidateAug 08 22:27
schestowitzHe was president, not VP or SVPAug 08 22:27
schestowitzWHat a sockerAug 08 22:27
Chips_B_MalroyCosta still posts on wilcox site sometimes as adacostaAug 08 22:27
schestowitzhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/03/former-microsoft-vp-brings-halo-to-the-atari-2600/Aug 08 22:28
TechrightsBotTitle: Former Microsoft VP brings Halo to the Atari 2600 -- Engadget .::. Size~: 212.43 KBAug 08 22:28
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: not lucy?Aug 08 22:28
Chips_B_MalroylolAug 08 22:28
schestowitzRemember Wong?Aug 08 22:28
schestowitzWatch his image in TwitterAug 08 22:29
Chips_B_MalroyyesAug 08 22:29
schestowitzIt's like dragAug 08 22:29
schestowitzWith a wigAug 08 22:29
schestowitzHe's a Microsoft TEAug 08 22:29
schestowitzThe one who spammed against me some smearsAug 08 22:29
schestowitzIf you go to his blogAug 08 22:29
schestowitzYou'll see his smear of me is still one of his most 'popular' posts everAug 08 22:29
Chips_B_MalroyI read it a long time ago, his blogAug 08 22:29
schestowitzThe one where he compares me to UnabomberAug 08 22:29
schestowitzOn Microsoft's payroll!Aug 08 22:30
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: have you seen da costa's recent post on CNET....its rather...bizarreAug 08 22:30
Chips_B_MalroynoAug 08 22:30
schestowitz"Stay away from this man.... he's dangerous and irrational..."Aug 08 22:30
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: I think he's loosing it...Aug 08 22:30
schestowitz_Goblin: he's Ina's sidekick nowAug 08 22:30
Chips_B_Malroyhe has already lost itAug 08 22:30
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: Roy linked it to me I think.Aug 08 22:30
schestowitzMicrosoft should send him 500 KINsAug 08 22:30
schestowitzHe'll share with the familyAug 08 22:30
schestowitzThey have spares now anywayAug 08 22:31
schestowitzVerizon shipped back to MicrosoftAug 08 22:31
Chips_B_Malroydo you think ms has that many Kin's to spare?Aug 08 22:31
schestowitzIt could sell them even at clearance levelAug 08 22:31
_Goblin503 is the rumour I heard (in terms of sales)Aug 08 22:31
schestowitzYeahAug 08 22:31
_Goblinand that would include all the gifted ones.Aug 08 22:31
schestowitzSource is goodAug 08 22:31
schestowitzGruberAug 08 22:31
schestowitzHe's close to Apple thoughAug 08 22:31
schestowitz'Daring Man'Aug 08 22:31
schestowitz_Goblin: you mean the ones they sent ZD for review?Aug 08 22:32
schestowitzAll the reviews were quite badAug 08 22:32
schestowitzVista Phone 7 already sells wellAug 08 22:32
schestowitz100,000 units almostAug 08 22:32
_GoblinAlthough according to the Microsoft faithful and let me quote here:Aug 08 22:32
Chips_B_Malroythey probably counted the ones sent to ZD as part of the 503Aug 08 22:32
schestowitz85k Microsoft employeesAug 08 22:32
schestowitzThey were forced to 'buy' oneAug 08 22:32
_Goblin"The kin is the greatest social networking phone ever made"Aug 08 22:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] UK washer-dryer recommendations please! Brands etc? (Unimpressed w Hotpoint group.)Aug 08 22:33
_Goblinthat was about a week before it died.Aug 08 22:33
Chips_B_MalroyThe Kin is lovedAug 08 22:33
_GoblinIts a shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see the KinAug 08 22:33
Chips_B_MalroyyesAug 08 22:33
schestowitzEven its campaign managers did not use itAug 08 22:33
schestowitzOne is reportedly to have use BlackBerrtAug 08 22:33
schestowitz*ryAug 08 22:33
schestowitz*reported toAug 08 22:33
Chips_B_Malroyif only MS had spent more money promoting the KIn and the Zune, it would have soldAug 08 22:34
schestowitz_Goblin: they could keep MJ on CPR for a couple to see if live and dueAug 08 22:34
schestowitz*dieAug 08 22:34
_Goblinlol...Aug 08 22:34
_Goblinits a shame the Kin didn't live to see ballmer getting the sack.Aug 08 22:34
MinceR_Goblin: thxAug 08 22:35
_Goblinthx? you are welcome...I don't want the grief!Aug 08 22:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] O rly: comet.co.uk pushes magnetic anti-limescale devices, i.e. blatant fraud. And pre-add them to your order. ASA/OFT complaint time!Aug 08 22:36
Chips_B_MalroyOne should not feel sorry for Ballmer's impending job status, as he has 16 billion dollars.  Seeing the feel sorry for Ballmer idea in many blog post is sickningAug 08 22:36
schestowitzIS this OK? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IRC_PolicyAug 08 22:38
TechrightsBotTitle: IRC Policy - Techrights .::. Size~: 11.41 KBAug 08 22:38
schestowitzThistleWeb: ^^Aug 08 22:38
schestowitz_Goblin: the sack if too smallAug 08 22:38
schestowitzBallmer will get the chairAug 08 22:39
schestowitz /if/is/Aug 08 22:39
_Goblinlol...Aug 08 22:39
_GoblinI thought it was redmond policy now to bolt all of the chairs down...to prevent any unfortunate incidents.Aug 08 22:40
schestowitzNoAug 08 22:40
schestowitzJust in one officeAug 08 22:40
_Goblinwhat about conference room?Aug 08 22:40
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVMy0PFr8noAug 08 22:40
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Steve Ballmer I'm a PC Microsoft AD,&lrm; .::. Size~: 93.02 KBAug 08 22:40
schestowitzFreaky guysAug 08 22:40
schestowitzNeed a leashAug 08 22:40
_Goblinthen you have the Ballmer Iphone Police that scour the campusAug 08 22:40
schestowitzHe's trying to redo the monkey boy thing to mitigate the PR damageAug 08 22:40
schestowitzTo try to treat it like it was a jokeAug 08 22:41
schestowitz"and I love this company"Aug 08 22:41
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8M6S8EKbnU&NR=1&feature=fvwpAug 08 22:41
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *The best of Steve Ballmer,&lrm; .::. Size~: 120.6 KBAug 08 22:41
_Goblinhe's a little late....Aug 08 22:41
_Goblinthat man should be banned from wearing dark blue shirtsAug 08 22:41
_Goblinor given anti-perspirant...one of the twoAug 08 22:41
ThistleWebschestowitz: seems fine, how many warnings has Ryan had?Aug 08 22:42
schestowitzWe never did a warning systemAug 08 22:42
ThistleWebthe point being, is he starting fresh at 0 from now?Aug 08 22:42
schestowitzNever employed anyway, it was more about how many PMs I gotAug 08 22:42
Chips_B_MalroyI would guess that is 3 warnings on the same day?Aug 08 22:42
schestowitzDiablo-D3 used to curse a lotAug 08 22:42
schestowitzNow lessAug 08 22:42
schestowitzCursing looks badAug 08 22:43
schestowitzUnless it's in a humours contextAug 08 22:43
schestowitzLike "this is some funny s**t"Aug 08 22:43
ThistleWebcontext is keyAug 08 22:44
schestowitzGroklaw has special code for geeklogAug 08 22:44
schestowitzWHen you post it automatically warps curse words to something elseAug 08 22:44
schestowitzIRC doesn't have thatAug 08 22:44
schestowitzTechrightsBot has the function to kick when someone says an insult, but we disabled itAug 08 22:44
schestowitzIt used to kick ryan automatically a lot a year agoAug 08 22:45
schestowitzHe kept getting thrown out by the bot for the languageAug 08 22:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Out and about, get the car fixed, fix bathroom bits, and then buy recording supplies. Currently at the concerningly titled 'Jiffy Lube'.Aug 08 22:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] After some bad experiences in IRC today we now have an IRC policy (draft) http://ur1.ca/11ah2 @jonobacon will be happy(ier)Aug 08 22:47
TechrightsBotTitle: IRC Policy - Techrights .::. Size~: 11.41 KBAug 08 22:47
*FurnaceBoy (~FurnaceBo@bas2-toronto10-2925113733.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovellAug 08 22:51
schestowitzhttp://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2010/0803/What-s-wrong-with-FirefoxAug 08 22:51
TechrightsBotTitle:         What's wrong with Firefox?  - CSMonitor.com     .::. Size~: 55.01 KBAug 08 22:51
schestowitz"leave firefox aaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllLONE!!"Aug 08 22:51
_GoblinI would have stayed with Firefox if I hadn't got Chromium...Aug 08 22:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] This PSA for wearing seatbelts struck me as a beautiful analogy to mental health. http://youtu.be/h-8PBx7isoM #mhsm via @quadricodeAug 08 22:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz good work, I am sure it will help maintain a more productive atmosphere in the channel.Aug 08 22:52
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- *Embrace Life - always wear your seat belt,&lrm; .::. Size~: 94.94 KBAug 08 22:52
_Goblinalthough the plug library of ff was not the draw for me.Aug 08 22:52
schestowitzhttp://www.dailytech.com/Hackers+Target+Power+Plants+and+Physical+Systems/article19257.htm "As the most popular operating system in use around the globe, Microsoft Windows is also the most targeted OS for cyber criminals looking to steal data and exploit systems. "Aug 08 22:52
TechrightsBotTitle: DailyTech - Hackers Target Power Plants and Physical Systems .::. Size~: 191.68 KBAug 08 22:52
schestowitzNot trueAug 08 22:52
schestowitzNot popular, ubiquitousAug 08 22:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's RT'ableAug 08 22:52
schestowitzAnd they could try to exploit connected devices or phonesAug 08 22:52
schestowitzBut they don't, it's hardAug 08 22:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: only WP7 ones :DAug 08 22:52
*FurnaceBoy ducksAug 08 22:53
schestowitzWhat's retweetable?Aug 08 22:53
schestowitzDidn't Nader do lots of work on seatbelts&safety?Aug 08 22:53
schestowitzMy old aunt knew him by nameAug 08 22:53
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes, Nader did.Aug 08 22:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he's famous for his book, "Unsafe at any Speed."Aug 08 22:54
schestowitz... came up when she discussed the type of things I was doingAug 08 22:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: exposing very much the same corporate practices we see today, but in DetroitAug 08 22:54
schestowitzI plan to carry onAug 08 22:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: where the carmakers were knowingly building deathtrapsAug 08 22:54
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: issue is, for people like Nader it's impossible to get campaign fundingAug 08 22:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: however, like all activists, he has been smeared almost to deathAug 08 22:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesAug 08 22:55
schestowitzHe's not electable to those who have power to groomAug 08 22:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's why I said he was one of the heroesAug 08 22:55
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yes, Moore tooAug 08 22:55
schestowitzThe "communist" "radical"Aug 08 22:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i am sure they tried to assassinate Nader... Aug 08 22:55
schestowitzAt least with me a lot of the ridicule is pure libelAug 08 22:55
*FurnaceBoy oughta google thatAug 08 22:55
schestowitzlike claiming I'm gay or somethingAug 08 22:55
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: "obama marxist"Aug 08 22:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: if you were gay, it would totally invalidate all of your ideas, of course.Aug 08 22:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: logicallyAug 08 22:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: inescapablyAug 08 22:56
schestowitz"Look, pa... it's sex right there on the internets Obama is a commie"Aug 08 22:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesAug 08 22:56
schestowitzFrom Kenya!Aug 08 22:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "Teach the controversy"Aug 08 22:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: aka Noise machine, distract, divide, conquerAug 08 22:56
FurnaceBoyFOX.Aug 08 22:57
schestowitzBeckAug 08 22:57
FurnaceBoyit's Murdoch's job.Aug 08 22:57
FurnaceBoythey all have a job.Aug 08 22:57
schestowitzYour hero!!!Aug 08 22:57
FurnaceBoyyou ever notice that Gates never talks about war.Aug 08 22:57
schestowitzMurdoch is a kingAug 08 22:57
schestowitzDefending Western dominance with just a quillAug 08 22:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he's a functionary who thinks he is a kingAug 08 22:57
schestowitzhe promotes hypepads nowAug 08 22:57
schestowitzScarcity in contentAug 08 22:58
schestowitzI suppose you saw Aug 08 22:58
schestowitzIt was everywhereAug 08 22:58
schestowitzCause, well... he controls the pressAug 08 22:58
schestowitzSo he can decide what product is blessed and endorsedAug 08 22:58
*oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Aug 08 22:58
schestowitzLet's see if a Foxer keeps him job after giving bad hypepad reviewsAug 08 22:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: not just product :)Aug 08 22:58
schestowitzMurdoch appoints minions who are like-mindedAug 08 22:59
FurnaceBoyinnovationAug 08 22:59
schestowitzThat tooAug 08 22:59
schestowitzUSPTOAug 08 22:59
FurnaceBoygotta keep the wheels of American innovation turningAug 08 22:59
schestowitzThe centre of US dominanceAug 08 22:59
FurnaceBoyreward innovationAug 08 22:59
schestowitzWTOAug 08 22:59
schestowitzAnd WIPOAug 08 22:59
schestowitzIts extensionsAug 08 22:59
schestowitzLike the WB and IMFAug 08 22:59
FurnaceBoyholy heck Gates earned every brass penny of tht fortune, and now he wants to GIVE it away!Aug 08 22:59
schestowitzThe arms that can have power overseasAug 08 22:59
FurnaceBoyaren't we ungratefulAug 08 22:59
schestowitzAnd it's not USWTO, USWIPO, EUWIPO, USB, and USMF eitherAug 08 23:00
schestowitzSo it seems more officialAug 08 23:00
schestowitzCanada is in it too BTWAug 08 23:00
FurnaceBoyyusAug 08 23:00
schestowitzUS is an easy scapegoatAug 08 23:00
*FurnaceBoy sighsAug 08 23:00
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I was encouraged to see some tweets point to techrights->gatesAug 08 23:00
schestowitzPeople show their friends what Gates is really aboutAug 08 23:01
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 08 23:01
schestowitzMy family asked me tooAug 08 23:01
schestowitzI have quick references to most angles and spins Aug 08 23:01
schestowitzPolio, school reform, etc.Aug 08 23:01
schestowitzToday I found a new blog similar to mineAug 08 23:01
schestowitzhttps://seattleducation2010.wordpress.comAug 08 23:01
schestowitzYou probably wanna subscribeAug 08 23:02
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schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-francis/amazon-the-latter-day-rob_b_670185.htmlAug 08 23:02
TechrightsBotTitle: Diane Francis: Amazon, the Latter-Day Robber Baron .::. Size~: 141.1 KBAug 08 23:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Lucers ppl can't protest..in Canada wo getting arrested these days //it's deliberate intimidation. Harper needs quiet compliant citizensAug 08 23:04
schestowitzhttp://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada/Remember+Internet+never+forgets/3358955/story.htmlAug 08 23:04
TechrightsBotTitle: Remember — the Internet never forgets .::. Size~: 106.83 KBAug 08 23:04
schestowitz "A recent survey by Microsoft, for instance, finds fully three-quarters of American recruiters and human resources professionals perform online searches into the activities of potential employees."Aug 08 23:04
schestowitzAnd Microsoft helps themAug 08 23:04
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: importent!Aug 08 23:04
schestowitzI have news about HarperGatesAug 08 23:04
schestowitzhttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/harper-aglukkaq-singled-out-for-stinging-rebuke-at-aids-conference/article1649688/Aug 08 23:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Harper, Aglukkaq singled out for stinging rebuke at AIDS conference - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 78.91 KBAug 08 23:05
schestowitzMoneyshot: "Critics who were in Vienna said the Gates Foundation was surprised to find that a large chunk of the new funding would go to the maternal-health initiative. But a representative of the foundation told The Globe it is very happy with its relationship with the Canadian government. "Aug 08 23:05
schestowitzfyi, harper was told by Gates to lobby other leaders in g20Aug 08 23:05
schestowitzgates gave him instructions, so to speakAug 08 23:05
schestowitzMaybe he'll get some kickbacks when he's a retired PMAug 08 23:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Fucking magnets! How do they work? http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/541213.htmlAug 08 23:06
TechrightsBotTitle: reddragdiva | Fucking magnets! How do they work? .::. Size~: 14.51 KBAug 08 23:06
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: saw itAug 08 23:06
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: tweeted it about 3 weeks ago?Aug 08 23:06
schestowitzAnything related?Aug 08 23:06
FurnaceBoyno, this time it's about Prison farmsAug 08 23:06
schestowitzBut this is newAug 08 23:06
FurnaceBoysighAug 08 23:06
FurnaceBoyohAug 08 23:06
FurnaceBoyANOTHER rebuke then.Aug 08 23:06
FurnaceBoythey got slammed a month agoAug 08 23:06
schestowitzEwww.. Rob Enderle http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion/50946-intel%E2%80%99s-consent-decree-intel-will-be-changedAug 08 23:07
TechrightsBotTitle: Intel's consent decree: Intel will be changed | TG Daily .::. Size~: 55.1 KBAug 08 23:07
schestowitzThank you , AP, for invetigate j000rnalism. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h23rkKsJ_qiBk01fiixWfsYsj_rgD9HCT4F00Aug 08 23:07
TechrightsBotTitle: The Associated Press: 40 billionaires pledge to donate half their wealth .::. Size~: 10.95 KBAug 08 23:07
FurnaceBoyAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAug 08 23:07
schestowitzDonateAug 08 23:07
schestowitzI love the wordingAug 08 23:07
FurnaceBoy"We will change! Never mind that corruption is built into our very system!"Aug 08 23:07
FurnaceBoyIntel promises to issue press releases about changing, as part of its sealed settlement.Aug 08 23:08
schestowitzI wonder how much PR staff of Gates Fundy was 'helping' journalists with this new blitzAug 08 23:08
schestowitzThey retell the old storyAug 08 23:08
schestowitzOver and over againAug 08 23:08
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: sure, they'll elect a GM with another ethnicityAug 08 23:08
schestowitzLike AMDAug 08 23:08
schestowitzSame speech writerAug 08 23:09
FurnaceBoybut Ruiz is under a cloud.Aug 08 23:09
schestowitzYeahAug 08 23:09
schestowitz"Look. We change."Aug 08 23:09
FurnaceBoyit's been discovered that ethnics are corrupt too. GalleonAug 08 23:09
schestowitzDifferent voiceAug 08 23:09
schestowitzDifferent accentAug 08 23:09
schestowitzDifferent skin colourAug 08 23:09
schestowitzSame policy on IraqAug 08 23:09
schestowitzSame policy on IraqAug 08 23:09
schestowitzSame policy on IranAug 08 23:09
schestowitzSame policy on banksAug 08 23:09
schestowitz...Aug 08 23:09
FurnaceBoyactually the repetition worked. :)Aug 08 23:10
FurnaceBoySame policy on *Aug 08 23:10
schestowitzChanged deliveryAug 08 23:10
schestowitzPelosibamaAug 08 23:10
FurnaceBoyright, right, different actor, same movieAug 08 23:10
schestowitzI liked Bush more [.....]Aug 08 23:10
FurnaceBoyanybody who doesn't see that, watches too much tvAug 08 23:10
schestowitz...at least I knew what he was meaningAug 08 23:10
FurnaceBoyyes, it was clear he INTENDED to frack things up Aug 08 23:10
FurnaceBoyinstead of lying about itAug 08 23:10
schestowitzWiileaks.... bring the stolen documents BACKAug 08 23:11
FurnaceBoynow we have the ORGANIC presidentAug 08 23:11
FurnaceBoythe ASPARTAME presidentAug 08 23:11
FurnaceBoynon-fatteningAug 08 23:11
schestowitzGates?Aug 08 23:11
FurnaceBoyDiet BushAug 08 23:11
schestowitzObama is mates with him BTWAug 08 23:11
FurnaceBoysureAug 08 23:11
schestowitzWith the spokesmanAug 08 23:11
FurnaceBoyof courseAug 08 23:11
schestowitzObamaAug 08 23:11
schestowitzAnd Clinton tooAug 08 23:11
schestowitzThey meet up in the whitehouse several times per yearAug 08 23:11
schestowitzIt's disgustignAug 08 23:11
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh, yes, return the documents... LOLAug 08 23:12
schestowitzYou think you vote for policy makersAug 08 23:12
schestowitzBut it's some unelected criminal (gates) who does the biddingAug 08 23:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "we , uh, need to look something up. And you have them. Says so on this library card."Aug 08 23:12
schestowitzNot for 4 yearsAug 08 23:12
schestowitzHe's only ~50Aug 08 23:12
schestowitzLots of time left for him to outdo Rockefeller in terms of damage to school, society, etcAug 08 23:12
schestowitzHe'll defend US>.... patentsAug 08 23:12
schestowitzSacracityAug 08 23:12
schestowitz*ScarcityAug 08 23:13
schestowitzYou go, girl!Aug 08 23:13
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/4/billionaires-to-give-away-fortunes/Aug 08 23:13
TechrightsBotTitle: Billionaires to give away fortunes - Washington Times .::. Size~: 44.41 KBAug 08 23:13
schestowitzWatch itAug 08 23:13
schestowitzYou love these manAug 08 23:13
schestowitzThe Washington Times saysAug 08 23:13
schestowitzit's your dutyAug 08 23:13
schestowitzThey are your Gods, sirAug 08 23:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Pentagon to @wikileaks: "We...uh, need to look something up. And you have the documents. Says so on this library card. Can you return?"Aug 08 23:14
schestowitz"Only the super-rich can save us now"Aug 08 23:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he has already outdone Rockefeller's wildest dreams. He took the damage global.Aug 08 23:14
schestowitzDidn't Rockefeller too?Aug 08 23:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: even BRIC drank the kool-aidAug 08 23:14
schestowitzHe still does Africa with GatesAug 08 23:14
schestowitz"Green revolution"Aug 08 23:14
schestowitzI guess we can onyl; carry on explaining this to peopleAug 08 23:14
schestowitzBut the press is not being helpfulAug 08 23:14
schestowitzLess often than notAug 08 23:14
FurnaceBoyit's true -- there's a "patriotic duty to love rich people -- otherwise you're a dirty commie"Aug 08 23:15
FurnaceBoyit's in the Constitution somewhereAug 08 23:15
schestowitzCapitalism-love of the wealthAug 08 23:15
schestowitzNot the wealthAug 08 23:15
schestowitz*of the ealthyAug 08 23:15
FurnaceBoyof course.Aug 08 23:15
schestowitz*Wealthy evenAug 08 23:15
FurnaceBoyinequity is the engineAug 08 23:15
schestowitzAdmiration of the capitalist dream (billionaire)Aug 08 23:15
schestowitz=hogAug 08 23:15
schestowitz=hoardingAug 08 23:15
schestowitzTyranny is about this divisionAug 08 23:16
schestowitzANd if it's encouraged then people are 'fed' by those who take awayAug 08 23:16
schestowitzSo it's still a cathedral structureAug 08 23:16
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/05/british-billionaires-giving-pledgeAug 08 23:16
TechrightsBotTitle:  British billionaires: who could head our A-list of philanthropy? | Matthew Bishop and Michael Green | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 193.02 KBAug 08 23:16
schestowitzBransonAug 08 23:16
schestowitzArrogant pretty boyAug 08 23:16
schestowitzThe economy is 'down'Aug 08 23:17
schestowitzSo the bit ones join hands (de facto world leaders) and do some self-congratulatory PRAug 08 23:17
Chips_B_MalroyWonder what the resignation of the HP CEO will mean with WebOS?  Will the next CEO go back to windows?Aug 08 23:20
schestowitzhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2012546750_edit06delbene.htmlAug 08 23:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Editorials | The Times recommends Suzan DelBene and Tim Dillon in the 8th Congressional District | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 65.54 KBAug 08 23:20
schestowitzAppallingAug 08 23:20
schestowitzRead on...Aug 08 23:20
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: their s/w VP (new) is from MicrosoftAug 08 23:20
schestowitzWhat is this? http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_33/b4191039675158.htmAug 08 23:22
TechrightsBotTitle: Tech Innovator: Blaise Agüera y Arcas - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 50.27 KBAug 08 23:22
schestowitzPersonal ads?Aug 08 23:22
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: damn , i need to do something constructive today.Aug 08 23:23
FurnaceBoydid u end up k/b'ing DAug 08 23:23
schestowitz"Steve Elop, chief of Microsoft’s business division, which handles MS Office. He was formerly chief operating officer of No. 2 networking company Juniper Networks. Known as a no-nonsense taskmaster, Elop is a veteran in the technology industry, having served in senior positions at Adobe Systems and Macromedia."Aug 08 23:23
schestowitzhttp://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2010/08/06/marc-hurd-resignation-top-10-candidates-to-replace-him/Aug 08 23:23
TechrightsBotTitle:   Mark Hurd Resignation: Top 10 Candidates to Replace Him - Deal Journal - WSJ .::. Size~: 84.57 KBAug 08 23:23
FurnaceBoyi'd treat him like any pest. remove routes to reward and he'll lose interest.Aug 08 23:23
schestowitzOh ohAug 08 23:23
Chips_B_MalroyWonder if the Microsoft retail stores are selling anything?Aug 08 23:23
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: k/b?Aug 08 23:24
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: they gave wallclimber 2 ballsAug 08 23:24
schestowitzFree of chargeAug 08 23:24
schestowitzMaybe it's a presence/PR thingAug 08 23:24
schestowitzThey don't seem to open new shops anymore... or hardlyAug 08 23:24
schestowitzThey call them storesAug 08 23:25
schestowitzEvery week I look up in the newsAug 08 23:25
schestowitzMaybe one shop a week opensAug 08 23:25
schestowitzThat's not much for a whole nationAug 08 23:25
schestowitzIf it's not profitable, then it's a moot effortAug 08 23:25
schestowitzit already alienates some OEMsAug 08 23:25
Chips_B_MalroyFrom the Wilcox post:  "Microsoft opened four retail stores during fiscal 2010 -- two in California and one each in Arizona and Colorado. Two weeks ago, the company confirmed new shops opening in Illinois, Minnesota and Washington State."Aug 08 23:25
schestowitzMicrosoft cannibalises what used to be partnersAug 08 23:25
schestowitzMaybe just making things worseAug 08 23:26
schestowitzBut it must try  *something*Aug 08 23:26
schestowitzAd: vAug 08 23:26
schestowitzhttp://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10220/1078245-467.stmAug 08 23:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Word 2010 a sturdy replacement .::. Size~: 31.18 KBAug 08 23:26
Chips_B_MalroyWell, 7 stores, now that might increase the cash bleeding somewhatAug 08 23:26
schestowitz"It is reported that HP will look for suitable candidates to the likes of companies such as Apple, Oracle and Microsoft. "Aug 08 23:27
schestowitzhttp://topnews.us/content/224329-hp-s-successor-take-huge-challengesAug 08 23:27
TechrightsBotTitle: HP’s successor to take up huge challenges | TopNews United States .::. Size~: 64.27 KBAug 08 23:27
Chips_B_Malroyyes, they compete with Best Buy type of storesAug 08 23:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] UK Borders Agency full of bullying racists http://is.gd/e9a1P Also, water wet, bears shit in woods and Catholic priests rape children.Aug 08 23:28
TechrightsBotTitle:  UK Border Agency investigation finds cause for 'significant concern'   | UK news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 66 KBAug 08 23:28
Chips_B_MalroyHP is a big company, which operates on a narrow profit marginAug 08 23:29
Chips_B_Malroycompared to MSAug 08 23:29
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/45161985#notice-45493711 "Well, if he's not satisfied with Linux sound system, why doesn't he help to improve it, instead advertising Vi$ta 7 ?"Aug 08 23:29
TechrightsBotTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.96 KBAug 08 23:29
schestowitzHe's talking about jonoAug 08 23:29
schestowitzYeah, well, I can make some Microsoft posts soon. I have loadsAug 08 23:30
Chips_B_MalroyMS must be very worried about AndroidAug 08 23:31
FurnaceBoyI hope teh worry gives every VP diahhroeaAug 08 23:31
FurnaceBoyaffAug 08 23:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: how do you spell that?Aug 08 23:32
schestowitzDependsAug 08 23:32
Chips_B_MalroyMaybe Android based on the lInux kernel, if the time that linux snowballs the decline of M$Aug 08 23:32
schestowitzI want to see Android forksAug 08 23:33
schestowitzGoogle suppresses themAug 08 23:33
schestowitzKeeping powerAug 08 23:33
Chips_B_MalroyThe major tipping point, year of linux, whatever you want to call it.Aug 08 23:33
Chips_B_MalroyForking Android would be a good thing, agreedAug 08 23:33
cubevectorDiarrhea :)Aug 08 23:34
Chips_B_Malroyputting apt-get back in that fork would be even better, having a combination of the best of GNU/Linux and Android, awesome.Aug 08 23:34
cubevectorUlcers would be more likely thoughAug 08 23:34
cubevectorThe situation is like a shark (Microsoft) verus a metamorph (Linux)Aug 08 23:35
Chips_B_MalroyMS seems to have less pieces on the chess boards these days.  Sadly it still has pawns like SCO.Aug 08 23:36
cubevectorthe thing is, Linux is so much betterAug 08 23:36
Chips_B_Malroyagreed, but I think you were not here when I was chatting about netflix and AndroidAug 08 23:37
cubevectorI can't even conceive going back to MicrosoftAug 08 23:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It's sometimes hard to stay positive in a world where #GNU make is considered radical voodoo. #firstworldproblemsAug 08 23:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] AKA 'use Windows, IE, ActiveX etc because we'll do all the deals with govts and educators so yo'll have to' http://bit.ly/bMuvL3Aug 08 23:38
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot News Story | Forget University &mdash; Use the Web For Education, Says Gates .::. Size~: 156.46 KBAug 08 23:38
Chips_B_Malroythere will be android apps that GNU/Linux does not haveAug 08 23:38
Chips_B_MalroyNetflix is one of themAug 08 23:38
cubevectorthey could be ported maybe?Aug 08 23:38
Chips_B_MalroyI wonder tooAug 08 23:38
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FurnaceBoyoh look, Gates noticed the web.Aug 08 23:39
FurnaceBoythis must be a new way for him to destroy it.Aug 08 23:39
FurnaceBoyhe never did anything else but try to.Aug 08 23:39
*schestowitz writing postsAug 08 23:40
cubevectorthe net is much bigger than a mere companyAug 08 23:41
FurnaceBoycubevector: of course.Aug 08 23:41
FurnaceBoycubevector: the point is he wants to own it. that's his brand of megalomania (shared by Zuck)Aug 08 23:41
schestowitzGates has PR people to accommodate the WebAug 08 23:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 It's sometimes hard to stay positive in a world where #GNU make is considered radical voodoo. #firstworldproblemsAug 08 23:42
schestowitzGoogle's founder too use Google for reputation launderingAug 08 23:42
schestowitz*dersAug 08 23:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: my buddy jweyrich is sure to RT that.Aug 08 23:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Possible proof for P != NP at http://www.scribd.com/doc/35539144/pnp12pt #mathAug 08 23:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Possible proof for P != NP at http://www.scribd.com/doc/3553... #mathAug 08 23:43
TechrightsBotTitle: pnp12pt - read free pdf .::. Size~: 131.79 KBAug 08 23:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Scribd .::. Size~: 58.17 KBAug 08 23:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Vice President Quits Microsoft: Birger Steen http://ur1.ca/11asz But Parallels is now being watched and run by a #Microsoft guyAug 08 23:50
TechrightsBotTitle: Another Vice President Quits Microsoft: Birger Steen | Techrights .::. Size~: 84.95 KBAug 08 23:50
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/202870/did_apple_exec_depart_over_antennagate.html?tk=hp_popAug 08 23:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Did Apple Exec Depart Over "Antennagate"? - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 66.1 KBAug 08 23:56
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367520,00.aspAug 08 23:57
TechrightsBotTitle:         Apple Loses SVP Mark Papermaster: Is The Antenna to Blame? | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com     .::. Size~: 71.76 KBAug 08 23:57

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