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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-20012962-233.html | Aug 09 00:00 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "The Los Angeles Times reported Thursday that Apple has not heard of any issues regarding iOS 4 on the iPhone 3GS. This may come as a shock to the nearly 1,000 replies on a single Apple Support Discussions forum thread where users are complaining of random reboots in the middle of calls after installing the update." | Aug 09 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: thanks | Aug 09 00:09 |
| schestowitz | added | Aug 09 00:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple seems to have its own problems now | Aug 09 00:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Enjoy it while it lasts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulate_%28song%29 - section "Synopsis" | Aug 09 00:12 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Regulate (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 50.58 KB | Aug 09 00:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2366849,00.asp "Dell has been contacting certain customers directly in order to schedule service calls to replace server motherboards that contain malware." | Aug 09 00:16 |
| cubevector | well there's always some problem :) | Aug 09 00:16 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dell Solves Motherboard Malware Problem | News & Opinion | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 73.23 KB | Aug 09 00:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Dell does say that the spyware is Windows-specific and that non-Windows systems are not vulnerable. New R410 systems are also not affected, just replacement motherboards." | Aug 09 00:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/08/08/news/nh2850554.txt | Aug 09 00:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Photographer's tale illustrates dangers of e-mail scams, malware - The News-Herald News : Breaking news coverage for Northern Ohio .::. Size~: 33.47 KB | Aug 09 00:18 |
| cubevector | lol, Dell give yet another reason not to use Doze | Aug 09 00:18 |
| cubevector | but they still "Recommend Windows 7" ;-) | Aug 09 00:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.crn.com/security/226500223 "We are actually seeing proof-of-concepts for malware on Windows 7, and fake antivirus is what they're targeting," said Beth Jones, senior security researcher at Sophos, in an interview. "Depending on how the malware is written, the malware could allow for the installation of a back door that would pave the way for additional malware to be installed." | Aug 09 00:19 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sophos Calls Out Apple, Microsoft On Security - Security - IT Channel News by CRN .::. Size~: 72.31 KB | Aug 09 00:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] jobs mostly done, now meeting with friend for a chinwag and a coffee | Aug 09 00:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Security Worse Than Ever, All #Windows Users Still Vulnerable http://ur1.ca/11ayd #security #patchtuesday | Aug 09 00:23 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Security Worse Than Ever, All Windows Users Still Vulnerable | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.14 KB | Aug 09 00:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Malware-Stealing-Digital-Certificates-Raises-Security-Concerns-448564/ "Trend Micro has uncovered a variant of the Zeus Trojan using an expired digital certificate belonging to Kaspersky Lab, while the Stuxnet malware is known to have used certificates stolen from legitimate companies." | Aug 09 00:23 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Malware Stealing Digital Certificates Raises Security Concerns - Security from eWeek .::. Size~: 102.98 KB | Aug 09 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I saw that one | Aug 09 00:23 |
| schestowitz | It's more of that "Apple is jjust as bad" articles | Aug 09 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Not interested in Apple vs Microsoft ones | Aug 09 00:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Researchers at Trend Micro recently found a variant of the Zeus Trojan that used a certificate belonging to Kaspersky Lab's ZbotKiller product, which ironically is designed to destroy Zeus. Though the certificate was expired, the idea was for the malware to use it to look legitimate. " | Aug 09 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I delete them outright | Aug 09 00:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok | Aug 09 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I missed that last one | Aug 09 00:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/202720/zeus_malware_used_pilfered_digital_certificate.html | Aug 09 00:25 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Zeus Malware Used Pilfered Digital Certificate - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 61.24 KB | Aug 09 00:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Trend said it informed Kaspersky of the certificate issue. The problem again shows the lengths to which Zeus creators go to keep the malware undetectable. Experts at the security company Trusteer said security software suites are often only able to detected about 10 percent of the active Zeus variants circulating." | Aug 09 00:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wow, security software can only detect about 10% of Zeus on windows | Aug 09 00:26 |
| cubevector | the thing is, people don't understand what the processes even do | Aug 09 00:26 |
| cubevector | by name | Aug 09 00:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most only understand when Windows stops working, or has too many popups, or is just to slow to use | Aug 09 00:27 |
| cubevector | and on windows, naturally no source code to look at | Aug 09 00:28 |
| cubevector | even windows programmers don't know what's going on | Aug 09 00:28 |
| cubevector | e.g. application developers | Aug 09 00:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: I used #Windows Vista today briefly and was shocked, appalled and horrified at how awful the user interface is.... http://ff.im/oW2QT | Aug 09 00:29 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Fwd: I used #Windows Vista today briefly and was... - Toby Thain - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 6.92 KB | Aug 09 00:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> that was a spark of true genious making Thisleweb a sys op | Aug 09 00:30 |
| cubevector | could you even imagine me using windows 7 on this box? | Aug 09 00:30 |
| cubevector | 384 megs of ram, p3 800 mhz | Aug 09 00:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I can never go back to windows, period | Aug 09 00:31 |
| cubevector | probably not even possible, oh dear, I guess I better give it a miss then :) | Aug 09 00:31 |
| cubevector | I'm embarassed I _ever_ used it, I knew better | Aug 09 00:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Techrights IRC Proceedings: August 8th, 2010 http://ur1.ca/11azf We needed to create a policy after that one | Aug 09 00:32 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Techrights IRC Proceedings: August 8th, 2010 http://ur1.ca/11azf We needed to create a policy after that one | Aug 09 00:33 | |
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| schestowitz | My filenames won't tolerate constraints of Windows filesystems | Aug 09 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Windows was a good toy like DOS to come into computing | Aug 09 00:33 |
| schestowitz | I've grown up and now I use systems that work | Aug 09 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Not sometimes work | Aug 09 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 09 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | solved problem before I was born | Aug 09 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's only one explanation... *koff* It's Not About the Tech | Aug 09 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Windows is this freebie that comes with a computer | Aug 09 00:34 |
| schestowitz | It's something a newbee can use | Aug 09 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Like a toner can half filled | Aug 09 00:34 |
| schestowitz | When you buy a new printer | Aug 09 00:34 |
| cubevector | I don't use printers :) | Aug 09 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Me neither | Aug 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | I used to use scanners | Aug 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | I gave it away 2 weeks ago | Aug 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | I no longer digitise paper either | Aug 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Cause I get little paper :-) | Aug 09 00:35 |
| cubevector | well there is OCR | Aug 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Communication too | Aug 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | My phone bill for this year was 5 pounds, I think | Aug 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | I use VoIP | Aug 09 00:36 |
| cubevector | hmm, no land line at all then? | Aug 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | That's the 5 pounds or so | Aug 09 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: great analogy | Aug 09 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: tweetable | Aug 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I hope to get off E-mail now | Aug 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Then phone | Aug 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I want to be able to ignore the phones | Aug 09 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | typical Roy multidimensional spot | Aug 09 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you're doign an Assange ;/) | Aug 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Na | Aug 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | He got better material | Aug 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed him good stuff | Aug 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Years' worth | Aug 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | His heroism is putting it 'out there' | Aug 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Now he gets media attention | Aug 09 00:38 |
| schestowitz | And the guy who cofounded is not happy | Aug 09 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Like Wales and Sagner | Aug 09 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Assange seemed like a media whore in TED, to tell you the truth | Aug 09 00:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heads Are Said to be Rolling After Apple's #hypePhone 4 Antenna Cockup, iOS 4 Update is Broken http://ur1.ca/11b1t #apple | Aug 09 00:49 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.zdnetasia.com/stuxnet-infections-continue-to-rise-62201930.htm "The Stuxnet malware exploits a vulnerability in the way Microsoft's Windows Shell handles shortcut files and if tapped, can allow the attacker to gain complete control of a system. The virus was initially written to steal data from critical infrastructure companies by specifically targeting Scada (supervisory control and data acquisition) systems | Aug 09 00:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | running Siemens' WinCC software." | Aug 09 00:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Stuxnet infections continue to rise - Security - News .::. Size~: 61.71 KB | Aug 09 00:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think you wrote about this one already | Aug 09 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 09 00:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Need $700k for our next harm-minimization review. Pentagon won't help.Media won't-but happy to profit. What to do? | Aug 09 00:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Pentagon wants to bankrupt us by refusing to assist harm-minimization.Media won't take responsibility either. | Aug 09 01:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Pentagon wants to bankrupt us by refusing to assist review.Media won't take responsibility.Amnesty won't.What to do? | Aug 09 01:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] “Defend WikiLeaks – End the Secret Wars" http://bit.ly/cl6ZVo | Aug 09 01:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] RT:@PatrickAK:Do everything that you can to minimize risk but also remember that waiting and doing nothing is also a risk. | Aug 09 01:22 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRcTYgEx3mI | Aug 09 01:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Example of pentagon playing AFP with rhetortical tricks-NO, they said no 'DIRECT' contact. http://bit.ly/cWUhAD | Aug 09 01:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s #KINect is the next KIN-Like Disaster (and Why Kinect Patents Are All That’s Left) http://ur1.ca/11b99 | Aug 09 01:29 | |
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| schestowitz | gn | Aug 09 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | nite | Aug 09 01:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tvc9OAbrmA | Aug 09 01:39 |
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| cubevector | lol | Aug 09 01:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Many broken links on the #ieee "advancing technology for humanity" web site. #www | Aug 09 01:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Could this be true? "P is not equal to NP [...] Confirmations began arriving 8th August early morning." http://is.gd/e9jNG #crypto | Aug 09 02:04 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer is just too funny, he can't go away | Aug 09 02:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @rww Cartoon: Phones That Go Bump in the Night http://bit.ly/a5SmPb | Aug 09 02:13 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxsbxH6vx6Y | Aug 09 02:16 |
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| *FurnaceBoy doesn't really see much funny in Crime in progress | Aug 09 02:17 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | got to laugh about them at some point | Aug 09 02:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | when they're locked up. we can point and laugh. | Aug 09 02:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | until then, the joke is on us | Aug 09 02:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least the decline has clearly started | Aug 09 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | i hope so | Aug 09 02:18 |
| cubevector | the decline started about 10 years ago | Aug 09 02:21 |
| cubevector | it's just the OEMs keeping Microsoft on top | Aug 09 02:21 |
| cubevector | and manufacturers not always giving programming specs | Aug 09 02:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that and the fact that every year 13% increase in computer sales | Aug 09 02:22 |
| cubevector | yeah I guess it's still growing | Aug 09 02:22 |
| cubevector | I thought computer sales would be flat by now | Aug 09 02:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | china and India coming online buying computers | Aug 09 02:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | huge market | Aug 09 02:23 |
| cubevector | and kids always want the latest gadgets | Aug 09 02:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but they don't buy windows | Aug 09 02:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | unless its $1 | Aug 09 02:23 |
| cubevector | again, I can't overstate the power of the OEMs | Aug 09 02:24 |
| cubevector | they have the real power | Aug 09 02:24 |
| cubevector | Microsoft should not be top dog | Aug 09 02:24 |
| cubevector | they don't even make computers | Aug 09 02:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but lets see if Google has the power to break the MS stranglehold on OEM's | Aug 09 02:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ubuntu almost did it | Aug 09 02:25 |
| cubevector | well they could _become_ an OEM | Aug 09 02:25 |
| cubevector | not sure if that's in the cars | Aug 09 02:25 |
| cubevector | cards :) | Aug 09 02:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ARM is creating a whole new batch of OEM's | Aug 09 02:26 |
| cubevector | also I blame the retail stores, but mostly OEMs | Aug 09 02:26 |
| cubevector | retailers are just selling what OEMs make | Aug 09 02:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe that MS owned 3% of Best Buy stock, and did own some of Circuit City | Aug 09 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector | and manufacturers not always giving programming specs <-- right, one feeds into the other. | Aug 09 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | once the cycle is broken, we should see some shakin' | Aug 09 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | as soon as market share starts to normalise, ISVs will notice, too | Aug 09 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | it will be like a change of seasons | Aug 09 02:28 |
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| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: boa noite | Aug 09 02:28 |
| cubevector | and I wonder what will happen to Sun | Aug 09 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're fracked | Aug 09 02:28 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: boa noite!! | Aug 09 02:29 |
| cubevector | does Sun still make computers? | Aug 09 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | Schwartz 'got' open. Larry is the anti-Schwartz. Sun is dead. | Aug 09 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: yes | Aug 09 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: very nice ones | Aug 09 02:29 |
| cubevector | well then they aren't really dead | Aug 09 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: Oracle has started damaging SUn already | Aug 09 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: nah, it's all downhill | Aug 09 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: OpenSolaris dev has ceased | Aug 09 02:30 |
| cubevector | Ellison has nothing to gain by destroying the company he bought | Aug 09 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: they no longer provide such simple stuff as a free web stack for Solaris | Aug 09 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: he's doing it anyway. | Aug 09 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: just look around at what's going on | Aug 09 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: nothing good. all destructive. | Aug 09 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: ppl are starting to react , though | Aug 09 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: there is a new non-sun fork of opensolaris | Aug 09 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: as a response to Oracle ending dev | Aug 09 02:30 |
| cubevector | yes, I saw that | Aug 09 02:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | i am afraid it's embrace, ..., extinguish as most predicted. | Aug 09 02:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: sun only makes nice hardware because of the reboot that was so successful under Schwartz and Bechtolsheim | Aug 09 02:32 |
| cubevector | yeah I don't know what good that does Oracle though | Aug 09 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: doesn't matter... don't expect them to be rational. | Aug 09 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: Larry never got 'open'... Schwartz did, deeply | Aug 09 02:32 |
| cubevector | SGI is gone... then Sun possibly will go... it's not good | Aug 09 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Aug 09 02:33 |
| cubevector | and of course BeOS and Commodore | Aug 09 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | diversity is good | Aug 09 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | the oracle acquistion is just more conglomeration,merging | Aug 09 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | never good | Aug 09 02:33 |
| cubevector | that would only leave X86 and ARM | Aug 09 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | pity, because Sun is kicking ass with SPARC | Aug 09 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | just nobody notices | Aug 09 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | kicking ass with Solaris too | Aug 09 02:34 |
| cubevector | so what do I get if I want non-x86? :) | Aug 09 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | used SPARC ;-) | Aug 09 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | or used POWER | Aug 09 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: T1000, T2000 :) | Aug 09 02:34 |
| cubevector | oh I know it's good for server, I probably will get a pizzabox | Aug 09 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: 128 hw threads... | Aug 09 02:34 |
| cubevector | don't really need another computer really :) | Aug 09 02:35 |
| jweyrich | buy a mips :-P | Aug 09 02:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | or that | Aug 09 02:35 |
| cubevector | I guess Schwartz took the money and ran | Aug 09 02:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not unheard-of. :) | Aug 09 02:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's the problem being public. you have no real freedom | Aug 09 02:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | hands were tied | Aug 09 02:37 |
| cubevector | I'm almost surprised Microsoft didn't just buy some OEMs | Aug 09 02:38 |
| cubevector | hopefully the DOJ wouldn't allow that | Aug 09 02:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there is still Dell | Aug 09 02:39 |
| cubevector | I guess a Microsoft puppet is even better for them | Aug 09 02:39 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: tested SATA3 this week on a 1TB WD hdd. stupidly fast. | Aug 09 02:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 09 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | sequential, i'm sure. | Aug 09 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | how many iops? | Aug 09 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: Dell/MS sides of same coin... milk the market until the music stops | Aug 09 02:41 |
| jweyrich | haven't recorded the data, but I'll prepare some benchs when I get free time. | Aug 09 02:41 |
| jweyrich | nevertheless, the asus mobo is incapable of enabling pcie at 16x and sata3 at 6gbps. | Aug 09 02:42 |
| cubevector | a computer store owner told me most people don't get older computers fixed | Aug 09 02:42 |
| cubevector | they just buy complete new systems | Aug 09 02:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: exactly | Aug 09 02:42 |
| jweyrich | cubevector: it vary on country/regions. | Aug 09 02:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: this is how they try to set it up | Aug 09 02:42 |
| cubevector | completely different from what I do | Aug 09 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: it's why there's no incentive to improve quality in any part of the system, in fact, there's disincentive | Aug 09 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: 'Windows rot' won't be fixed because it's profitable. ditto malware is profitable. | Aug 09 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: until ... some distant point when ppl realise there's an option. | Aug 09 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | pick [X] None of that bullshit. | Aug 09 02:44 |
| cubevector | sorry i know we talked about this before, but why does windows rot happen? | Aug 09 02:44 |
| cubevector | it's not just the hardware right? | Aug 09 02:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt | Aug 09 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: malware is a big part of it. | Aug 09 02:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | windows itself actually isnt self-destructive | Aug 09 02:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its when you connect it to the internet you have issues. | Aug 09 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: well, if it didn't then it would be an install-once scenario like OS X or Linux | Aug 09 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: reinstall, reboot is normal part of expectations | Aug 09 02:44 |
| jweyrich | btw, is dell still putting crap hardware within their equipments? | Aug 09 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: ha | Aug 09 02:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive had an xp install for YEARS | Aug 09 02:45 |
| cubevector | in my era it seemed to be absolutely terrible :) | Aug 09 02:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | never had to reinstall it | Aug 09 02:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | never had problems. | Aug 09 02:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | and guess what? | Aug 09 02:45 |
| cubevector | in the win95 era | Aug 09 02:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | never had a virus either. | Aug 09 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: that's unusual though. most windows users seem to be reinstalling every few months | Aug 09 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: or throwing out the computer. | Aug 09 02:45 |
| cubevector | lol | Aug 09 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: one hears this ALL the time. "my pc got slow, i need a new one." | Aug 09 02:45 |
| cubevector | that's crazy | Aug 09 02:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: most windows users are reinstalling windows if outlook doesnt connect | Aug 09 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: this is considered a natural occurrence. | Aug 09 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: right. | Aug 09 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: or rebooting. | Aug 09 02:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | something that has ZERO effect on their problem | Aug 09 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | I follow a random selection of 900 people on twitter. | Aug 09 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's quite common to hear about computers misbehaving | Aug 09 02:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter doesnt really exist, your study is invalid. | Aug 09 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've often heard this "i have to buy a new pc" , even from tech workers | Aug 09 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | "this one just doesn't seem to work right" | Aug 09 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet they dont say WHY they have to buy a new pc. | Aug 09 02:47 |
| cubevector | yeah but at least I get amazingly cheap deals on computers :) | Aug 09 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: right, there's no specific reason. | Aug 09 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: it's slow, or crashy | Aug 09 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: but wasn't before | Aug 09 02:47 |
| cubevector | yeah this computer is shot! ;-) | Aug 09 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: dude, that just sounds like psu failure | Aug 09 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: no | Aug 09 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has nothing to do with the computer actual | Aug 09 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i've heard this so many times i've lost count. | Aug 09 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: of course. | Aug 09 02:47 |
| cubevector | a lot of stuff they said doesn't work can be made to work | Aug 09 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, and I bet you money its psu failure | Aug 09 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: no | Aug 09 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | replace the psu, and it'll go away | Aug 09 02:48 |
| jweyrich | so, let me understand, Diablo-D3 advocates MS? ooohhh. | Aug 09 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: in some % sure, but windows failure is far more common, in fact inevitable | Aug 09 02:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | or the psu has perm damaged voltage regulators. | Aug 09 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: that might cover some % of cases | Aug 09 02:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | jweyrich: because..... Im blaming the end user for buying dell? what? | Aug 09 02:48 |
| cubevector | well there's fragmentation of the fs | Aug 09 02:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | which, btw, dell, hp, and whoever else are REALLY known for skimping on PSUs. | Aug 09 02:48 |
| cubevector | that would slow things down | Aug 09 02:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubevector: except not really. | Aug 09 02:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | fragmentation is not an issue. | Aug 09 02:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | this isnt win95. | Aug 09 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | certainly it's never been an issue on a machine i've used | Aug 09 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | but then , i don't use 'doze | Aug 09 02:49 |
| cubevector | yeah if you have an win95 box (which I have to support for a customer) I removed tcp/ip | Aug 09 02:49 |
| cubevector | it works OK | Aug 09 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: how would yuo describe Dell's scam in Br to be preferred supplier, avoiding import duty | Aug 09 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i love that one | Aug 09 02:50 |
| jweyrich | Diablo-D3: no no. because you're reluctant on recognizing windows is much more feasible to be hurt to death than linux/unices. | Aug 09 02:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | jweyrich: you do realize Ive used linux as my primary os for over a decade, right? | Aug 09 02:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im also one of the most vocal microsoft haters in the world. | Aug 09 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | doesn't even matter HOW it dies, ppl don't much care. just that it does, and they turn over the pc. it's part of the system ms has engineered. b/c it's very profitable,. | Aug 09 02:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im just saying | Aug 09 02:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont blame windows for hardware failure | Aug 09 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | now, now, kids | Aug 09 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i'm not. | Aug 09 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i'm blaming windows for windows failure. | Aug 09 02:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you reinstall windows from scratch, and your machine STILL has issues, its obviously not windows. | Aug 09 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: it's engineered to fail;; new pc -- new ka-ching | Aug 09 02:51 |
| jweyrich | Diablo-D3: nevermind, I was just trying to understand your arguments. don't feel insulted. | Aug 09 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: of course. | Aug 09 02:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | and yes, Ive met machines that have that issue | Aug 09 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: none of these non technical users do that. | Aug 09 02:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | its usually psu related. | Aug 09 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: they never root cause. | Aug 09 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: they turn the pc over. it's profitable for MS> | Aug 09 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: new pc, new license | Aug 09 02:52 |
| cubevector | I only sell up-scale power supplies now | Aug 09 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: this happens all the time | Aug 09 02:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | dell is the _worst_ with psu failures | Aug 09 02:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, they dont outright fail | Aug 09 02:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just go flakey for 5 years | Aug 09 02:52 |
| cubevector | no -5V rail though :) | Aug 09 02:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, drives dying in dells usually isnt the drive's fault | Aug 09 02:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | its usually progressive damage from a flakey psu | Aug 09 02:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | flakey psus also kill voltage regulators | Aug 09 02:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | so ANYTHING with one will also start going nuts | Aug 09 02:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | even after you replace the psu | Aug 09 02:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | people think Im nuts for spending $$$ on psus | Aug 09 02:53 |
| cubevector | cdroms fail even more often | Aug 09 02:53 |
| cubevector | no, no not at all | Aug 09 02:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubevector: yeah, but when they cost like $30 for a quality drive, who cares | Aug 09 02:53 |
| cubevector | I wonder about that | Aug 09 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Ive only had once ever fail | Aug 09 02:54 |
| cubevector | I have a huge stack of bad cdroms | Aug 09 02:54 |
| cubevector | since 1993 | Aug 09 02:54 |
| jweyrich | I have only one. | Aug 09 02:54 |
| cubevector | I have controllers that I can't get drives for | Aug 09 02:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Yawn. Arrived safely in Boston for #Linuxcon | Aug 09 02:55 | |
| jweyrich | well, since 98. | Aug 09 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | CDROMs or CD-Rs | Aug 09 02:55 |
| cubevector | the drives | Aug 09 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh | Aug 09 02:55 |
| cubevector | the 40 or 50 pin thingies :) | Aug 09 02:55 |
| jweyrich | CDs I had thousands. | Aug 09 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | well these things are the ultimate cheap chinese crap | Aug 09 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | everything in a pc is | Aug 09 02:55 |
| jweyrich | the only ones that lived long enough were the TDKs. paid a lot for them though. | Aug 09 02:55 |
| cubevector | I still have NOS of scsi 50-pin drives | Aug 09 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: so do I. | Aug 09 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: keep those. they're starting to become very rare. | Aug 09 02:56 |
| cubevector | yeah I have about 8 of them | Aug 09 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | i probably have 50 | Aug 09 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, more | Aug 09 02:56 |
| cubevector | why so many? :) | Aug 09 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | 100.. i forget some raids | Aug 09 02:56 |
| cubevector | you have 100 NOS?? | Aug 09 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | NOS? | Aug 09 02:57 |
| jweyrich | lmao. | Aug 09 02:57 |
| cubevector | New Old Stock | Aug 09 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, no | Aug 09 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | these are used, mostly | Aug 09 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | god, to buy 50-pin scsi commercially now would be astronomical | Aug 09 02:58 |
| cubevector | you probably can get them used | Aug 09 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure on ebay. | Aug 09 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | but dwindling supply | Aug 09 02:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, bad psus will kill cdroms too | Aug 09 02:59 |
| cubevector | it says a lot about society that we can't fix anything | Aug 09 02:59 |
| cubevector | no one I know can fix cdrom drives | Aug 09 02:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubevector: theres nothing TO fix | Aug 09 02:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | its always servo motor failure | Aug 09 02:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is the most expensive part | Aug 09 02:59 |
| cubevector | hard to get at too | Aug 09 03:00 |
| cubevector | well the motor could be replaced yes? | Aug 09 03:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | no. | Aug 09 03:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | not a precision motor like that | Aug 09 03:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | its mated with the controller board forever. | Aug 09 03:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | cdrom drives would cost at least ten times more if you had shit like that | Aug 09 03:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @linuxlibrarian Can say now w/o hesistation that Ubuntu 10.04 & GIMP UFRAW plugins will open and work w/Nikon's NEF RAW format. | Aug 09 03:05 | |
| FurnaceBoy | nothign is designed for maintenance because it costs more. | Aug 09 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's no margin for that. | Aug 09 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's more profitable to build stuff to throw away | Aug 09 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Henry Ford caught on to this early | Aug 09 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | now, this principle extends to housing | Aug 09 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | contemporary construction is so crappy it is throw-away | Aug 09 03:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10907556 | Aug 09 03:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BBC News - UK jobs market recovery 'to stall' .::. Size~: 50.4 KB | Aug 09 03:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Recovery in the jobs market will "stall" this year as demand for workers in the public sector falls, new research has warned." | Aug 09 03:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "The public sector employers in particular are planning cuts, with 36% of them looking to lose staff." | Aug 09 03:09 |
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| cubevector | you can fix a Model T though | Aug 09 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: relatively speaking yes | Aug 09 03:10 |
| cubevector | people even drive them still | Aug 09 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: his innovation was realising that no part should last longer than any other part | Aug 09 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: and it soon follows that it's more profitable to reduce the horizon | Aug 09 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | in fact, both of these are about not wasting effort in manufacture | Aug 09 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | the chinese have just taken this to the Nth degree | Aug 09 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | if there's a corner to cut, they cut it. | Aug 09 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | even down to failing to deal with toxic waste. why bother? it just cuts into profit. | Aug 09 03:11 |
| cubevector | rather short sighted though | Aug 09 03:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Aug 09 03:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | no shit sherlock.. | Aug 09 03:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's the ultimate myopia | Aug 09 03:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | the very definition of not looking beyond the day's take | Aug 09 03:12 |
| cubevector | I have customers who want quality | Aug 09 03:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "The CIPD believes that a rise in unemployment in the next two years remains a distinct possibility as the private sector recovery is offset by the 600,000 public sector job losses the government expects over the next five years." | Aug 09 03:12 |
| cubevector | so it's more expensive.. they're ok with that | Aug 09 03:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: Sun is still quality. | Aug 09 03:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry for the Brits | Aug 09 03:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: way ahead of anythign Dell makes | Aug 09 03:13 |
| cubevector | oh yeah Dell is junk | Aug 09 03:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Acer is the new Dell | Aug 09 03:13 |
| cubevector | and maybe cdrom drives will disappear | Aug 09 03:14 |
| cubevector | just have CF or SD or whatever | Aug 09 03:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the cost of flash memory would have to come way down for that | Aug 09 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | i can hardly beleive they're still around ;-) | Aug 09 03:17 |
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| cubevector | 4 gigers aren't too expensive | Aug 09 03:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | compared to a 20 cent blank dvd they are | Aug 09 03:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which is why bluray is probably next | Aug 09 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: re, "you can still repair a Model T," the point is: | Aug 09 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: the quality and design is relative to Expected lifespan. | Aug 09 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: the expected lifespan of a PC purchase is 2, 3 years MAX | Aug 09 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: I own computers that could be maintained indefinitely, by design | Aug 09 03:20 |
| cubevector | bah | Aug 09 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: because the expected lifespan was much longer than that. | Aug 09 03:21 |
| cubevector | my 17 year old IBM still works | Aug 09 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: you miss my point. | Aug 09 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course it does. | Aug 09 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | the older something is, the better built it is. | Aug 09 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's a frequently true corollary | Aug 09 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: lifespans for everythign have shortened | Aug 09 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: it used to be that a house was built to last 300, 500 years | Aug 09 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: (and millions of such houses are 300, 400 years old and still lived in) | Aug 09 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: now they will last 30 before they have to be trashed. | Aug 09 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | why? piles more money in it. | Aug 09 03:22 |
| cubevector | in Europe, not North America :) | Aug 09 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: correct. | Aug 09 03:22 |
| cubevector | or England | Aug 09 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | exactly. a 400 yr old home is commonplace there. | Aug 09 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: an american friedn laughed when i said brick homes that last 100+ years were working class housing in my city. | Aug 09 03:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Taxes here cause many commercial building that are still in good shape to be torn down. | Aug 09 03:23 |
| cubevector | ummm, what about the plumbing? | Aug 09 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: he'd never heard of a house that old. | Aug 09 03:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] War as a video game: the "game sequence" here is telling and brilliant http://bit.ly/9d60V3 http://bit.ly/bqzVzF | Aug 09 03:23 | |
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| cubevector | is plumbing 400 years old? just curious | Aug 09 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: where he lives, they fall down in a few decades | Aug 09 03:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Here you have to pay taxes on empty buildings | Aug 09 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: the ways europe and uk deal with plumbing and electrics is very intriguing :) | Aug 09 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: and gas | Aug 09 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: quite challenging, when you've got 3 ft stone walls.... | Aug 09 03:23 |
| cubevector | I know Victoria age but before that I'm fuzzy | Aug 09 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: many creative solutions abound | Aug 09 03:24 |
| cubevector | heh | Aug 09 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: let me show you a pic I took in Romania, for example... | Aug 09 03:24 |
| *cubevector imagines FurnaceBoy living in a Castle somewhere | Aug 09 03:24 | |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, i would if i could :) | Aug 09 03:25 |
| *FurnaceBoy waits for opera to load the page | Aug 09 03:25 | |
| cubevector | this house is 1934 | Aug 09 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: yeah that's a crime. | Aug 09 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: when I was in Lisbon, it looked like nearly half the inner city was condemned. | Aug 09 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: the buildings were perfectly okay, would last forever | Aug 09 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: just profiteering | Aug 09 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: tragic | Aug 09 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | vacant, with demolition notices | Aug 09 03:28 |
| cubevector | we have a heritage law here | Aug 09 03:28 |
| cubevector | anything over 100 years is considered a heritage home | Aug 09 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh yeah, in my hometown they have laws too. so they just demolish at night. | Aug 09 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | doesn't change a thing. | Aug 09 03:28 |
| cubevector | there's a grey house close by which is from the 1840's | Aug 09 03:29 |
| cubevector | which is nothing compared to Europe :) | Aug 09 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | still impressive though | Aug 09 03:29 |
| cubevector | it's the oldest one I know of around here, Oshawa Ontario | Aug 09 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: http://www.flickr.com/photos/qu1j0t3/46979854/in/set-1024322/ you have to do a lot of plumbing on the outside | Aug 09 03:29 |
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| jono | hey al | Aug 09 03:29 |
| jono | all | Aug 09 03:30 |
| cubevector | hi jono | Aug 09 03:30 |
| jono | hey cubevector | Aug 09 03:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Jono | Aug 09 03:30 |
| jono | hey Chips_B_Malroy | Aug 09 03:30 |
| jono | I just went to DaemonFc's blog and it is gone | Aug 09 03:30 |
| jono | has he moved it? | Aug 09 03:30 |
| cubevector | hey FurnaceBoy, you might be interested in my historical pictures gallery | Aug 09 03:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no idea | Aug 09 03:31 |
| cubevector | Toronto was well photographed since the 1850's | Aug 09 03:31 |
| *FurnaceBoy lives in yyz | Aug 09 03:32 | |
| cubevector | http://maxhost.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=1 | Aug 09 03:33 |
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| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: i noticed they just demolished the whole block of CAMH. | Aug 09 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: got a picture of that? | Aug 09 03:33 |
| cubevector | not sure :) | Aug 09 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: hehehe "i can see my house from here" -- well, i'm not sure . it was darn hard to spot from CN Tower | Aug 09 03:33 |
| cubevector | I can vaguely remember Toronto in 1967 | Aug 09 03:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | these are pretty cool | Aug 09 03:34 |
| cubevector | yeah, it's sort of a hobby | Aug 09 03:34 |
| cubevector | a lot of stuff I remember from the CNE are gone | Aug 09 03:35 |
| cubevector | one of my favs: | Aug 09 03:36 |
| cubevector | http://maxhost.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?pid=48&fullsize=1 | Aug 09 03:36 |
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| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: St Clair Ave W looked like this for most of the past 2 years. | Aug 09 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | :P | Aug 09 03:40 |
| cubevector | a lot of historic stuff got demolished in the 60's | Aug 09 03:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | :| | Aug 09 03:42 |
| cubevector | I have some 8 mm film from the 60's of Ontario | Aug 09 03:44 |
| cubevector | even converted it to digital :) | Aug 09 03:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=189329 "CNN further reported that with unemployment remaining at 9.5 percent, nearly 50 percent of baby boomers are taking a percentage of their Social Security benefits as early as age 62, largely because they are short of cash and cannot find jobs." | Aug 09 03:47 |
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| jono | this is weird, DaemonFC's twitter account has gone too | Aug 09 03:54 |
| jono | I wonder what is going on | Aug 09 03:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | was upset by today's shenanigans? | Aug 09 03:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | he caught some flak | Aug 09 03:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As I understand it Jono, Ryan has some problems and is taking meds for those. | Aug 09 03:55 |
| jono | Chips_B_Malroy, I hope he is OK | Aug 09 03:55 |
| jono | would never want to see any harm come to him | Aug 09 03:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | me too, I do not understand his problem with Ubuntu, which probably transferred over to you | Aug 09 03:56 |
| jono | I think his conduct online is immature, but irrespective, I always want to ensure he is healthy | Aug 09 03:57 |
| jono | does anyone have an email address for him? I could drop him a mail and see if he is ok | Aug 09 03:57 |
| cubevector | there's his blog I think | Aug 09 03:57 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Myself, I don't like the mono in Ubuntu, but I don't have to use it either. Plus I think Ubuntu is not a bad product otherwise, its just not my preference, which doesn't make it bad. | Aug 09 03:58 |
| jono | cubevector, his blog has been deleted | Aug 09 03:58 |
| cubevector | oh ok | Aug 09 03:58 |
| cubevector | that's odd | Aug 09 03:58 |
| jono | that's what is weird, his blog and twitter account are gone | Aug 09 03:58 |
| jono | was he kicked out of here? | Aug 09 03:58 |
| cubevector | he was here yesterday | Aug 09 03:58 |
| cubevector | nope | Aug 09 03:58 |
| cubevector | don't think so | Aug 09 03:58 |
| jono | ahhh cool | Aug 09 03:58 |
| jono | I read the logs and I wasn't sure if he was banned | Aug 09 03:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he left before he was kicked out | Aug 09 03:59 |
| jono | Chips_B_Malroy, ahh | Aug 09 03:59 |
| cubevector | oh he was being kind of a pest as I recall | Aug 09 03:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he has not been back since | Aug 09 03:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: there was a bit of a back and forth today. | Aug 09 03:59 |
| cubevector | now that I think about it | Aug 09 03:59 |
| jono | well let's hop ehe is ok | Aug 09 03:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: in fact, ThistleWeb left for good | Aug 09 03:59 |
| neighborlee | Chips_B_Malroy: it is bad imho, at least until monois gone, because them endorsing mono is the reverse of what oss stands for and plays right into M$'s hands,,but it might be a moot point, as ubunt is now, as fedora has already, moving away from all things mono | Aug 09 03:59 |
| cubevector | ah, I must have missed that | Aug 09 03:59 |
| cubevector | Ryan Farmer I think was his name | Aug 09 04:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, I don't think Ubuntu is moving away from mono | Aug 09 04:00 |
| neighborlee | yes they are | Aug 09 04:00 |
| neighborlee | ive seen BN page about it | Aug 09 04:00 |
| neighborlee | and elsewhere | Aug 09 04:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | banachee | Aug 09 04:01 |
| neighborlee | which ? ;) | Aug 09 04:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they recently added more mono app | Aug 09 04:01 |
| neighborlee | one game...thats it | Aug 09 04:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry for the spelling | Aug 09 04:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not that one | Aug 09 04:01 |
| neighborlee | I think banchee is being replacerd | Aug 09 04:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its some sort of media player | Aug 09 04:01 |
| neighborlee | I saw teh forum discussion about it | Aug 09 04:01 |
| neighborlee | it would make NO sense to have ONE app , for the entire mono lib ;) | Aug 09 04:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | added in 10.10 | Aug 09 04:02 |
| neighborlee | so i'd suspect its all going | Aug 09 04:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok we will see | Aug 09 04:02 |
| neighborlee | the mono excuses no longer hold up ;) | Aug 09 04:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, you can ask jono here, if you want for the scoop | Aug 09 04:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Canada molested little boys while making them listen to rape http://ur1.ca/11byb | Aug 09 04:03 | |
| neighborlee | why , who is jono | Aug 09 04:03 |
| jono | we have no plans in changing our policy re. Mono | Aug 09 04:03 |
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| neighborlee | jono: thats not what I read | Aug 09 04:03 |
| jono | neighborlee, what did you read? | Aug 09 04:03 |
| neighborlee | I read that everything was going,,mabye not in 1010, but afterwards definitely | Aug 09 04:04 |
| neighborlee | because no app needs it anymore, and its sillly to have mono for a single app or game | Aug 09 04:04 |
| neighborlee | that was the skinny | Aug 09 04:04 |
| neighborlee | not to mention the legality of it all.. | Aug 09 04:04 |
| neighborlee | ie: no more reason to take risks | Aug 09 04:04 |
| jono | neighborlee, can you link me to the place you read this? | Aug 09 04:05 |
| neighborlee | not entirely sure where I read it..prob. BN | Aug 09 04:05 |
| jono | np | Aug 09 04:05 |
| neighborlee | i'd have to google it | Aug 09 04:05 |
| neighborlee | I can..one sec | Aug 09 04:05 |
| neighborlee | http://www.tectonic.co.za/2010/06/ubuntu-one-step-closer-to-dropping-mono/ | Aug 09 04:05 |
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| neighborlee | I think that was it | Aug 09 04:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Goldman-sachs-Fed-Unconventional--Monetary-Easing/2010/08/06/id/366841 | Aug 09 04:07 |
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| neighborlee | ugh | Aug 09 04:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | " | Aug 09 04:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The U.S. economic recovery has lost so much momentum that the Federal Reserve reportedly will be forced to return to ?unconventional? monetary easing, which could result in a $1 trillion emergency rescue, as early as next week. | Aug 09 04:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goldman Sachs Group Inc., whose economists also cut their forecasts for U.S. economic growth in 2011, said these measures could involve more asset purchases, such as Treasuries, or a more ?ironclad? commitment to low short-term policy rates, according to Bloomberg. | Aug 09 04:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | " | Aug 09 04:08 |
| neighborlee | bbl, need to do something downstairs ;0-0 | Aug 09 04:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So the banks are going be back for more handouts | Aug 09 04:08 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-05/stiglitz-says-anemic-u-s-recovery-means-obama-should-seek-more-stimulus.html | Aug 09 04:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Just created a 'search filter' with today's RSS feed in evolution. Now I can read all the Feeds from Today without going into each folder | Aug 09 04:23 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Labor Department data yesterday also showed more Americans than projected filed for unemployment insurance, indicating employers are still cutting staff. Initial jobless claims climbed by 19,000 to 479,000 in the week ended July 31, the most since April, according to the data." | Aug 09 04:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | More than projected, means they under reported the problems or rate. | Aug 09 04:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0622002720100807 "The Obama administration on Friday acknowledged it had underestimated the number of homeowners who fell seriously behind on their mortgage payments even after getting government help" | Aug 09 04:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: UPDATE 3-U.S. Treasury-More HAMP homeowners falling behind| Reuters .::. Size~: 57.6 KB | Aug 09 04:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | more under estimating | Aug 09 04:28 |
| neighborlee | this world is out of control anyway..we dont need a monetary based system, we need one based on compassion for all living things, that should be treated as god intended, not as non equals,,,when we finally get behind sharing this earth and taking responsibility for what we do WITH the earth, we'll get somewhere,,greed /money is outdated notion that things important should be charged for..when god make the universe, somehow I doubt he | Aug 09 04:40 |
| neighborlee | was worried about compensation, so what makes us more regal by doing so I wonder ;) | Aug 09 04:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Is there a funnier Canadian postal code than North Millbrook, #Ontario L0L 1G0 ? | Aug 09 04:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Free software is like 'Ramdev Baba's speech' | Aug 09 04:52 | |
| oiaohm | neighborlee: its not that simple. | Aug 09 04:54 |
| oiaohm | Greed is a driving force behind lot of human development. | Aug 09 04:55 |
| oiaohm | Also Fear is another driving force neighborlee | Aug 09 04:55 |
| neighborlee | disagree | Aug 09 04:55 |
| neighborlee | tell that to jesus | Aug 09 04:55 |
| oiaohm | Think about the large armies | Aug 09 04:56 |
| neighborlee | or name your prophet | Aug 09 04:56 |
| oiaohm | How much harmful development that has caused. | Aug 09 04:56 |
| neighborlee | to be neutral | Aug 09 04:56 |
| neighborlee | what harmful ? | Aug 09 04:56 |
| neighborlee | you mean war in general ? | Aug 09 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Just the prep for war is harmful. | Aug 09 04:56 |
| neighborlee | I never said it wasn't ;) | Aug 09 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Let alone war on top of that, | Aug 09 04:57 |
| neighborlee | def.ly | Aug 09 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Fear is humans worse problem. | Aug 09 04:57 |
| oiaohm | People who are greedy normally come rich by playing off fear of something. | Aug 09 04:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Depressions have been the forerunners of Wars | Aug 09 04:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | because they cause social unrest | Aug 09 04:58 |
| neighborlee | fear is always going to be with us,,well at leat for a LONG time | Aug 09 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Fear causes us to spend more money on war machines than medicial. | Aug 09 04:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] WebCam -> OpenCV -> HumanPosture XML -> Internet XMPP -> HumanPosture XML -> OpenCV -> Device #idea #takeit | Aug 09 04:59 | |
| neighborlee | fear is a result of many sociopathic issues | Aug 09 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Fear will still cause a lot of bad things to happen even if money did not exist. | Aug 09 04:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2010/08/06/goldman-sachs-unemployment-is-going-back-to-10/ | Aug 09 05:02 |
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| oiaohm | Greed we can do something about. | Aug 09 05:02 |
| oiaohm | Fear is not that simple. | Aug 09 05:02 |
| oiaohm | Think about the iraq war lot of greedy have profited from it. But fear was the reason the public supported it at first. | Aug 09 05:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself." I always thought that was said about War World Two, but Roosevelt was actually addressing the Depression. | Aug 09 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm is right | Aug 09 05:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Previously Goldman saw 2011 growth rising from 2.5% in the first quarter to 3.5% in the second half of 2011. Now the firm pegs growth at 1.5% in the first quarter to 3% in the fourth quarter. On an average annual basis Goldman?s view of 2011 GDP growth drops to 1.9% from 2.4%. ?As a result of this downgrade, we now expect the jobless rate to rise to 10% by early 2011 and remain there for the rest of the year,? Goldman | Aug 09 05:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wrote." | Aug 09 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | translated: "goldman sachs is a bunch of total faggots. rape their women." | Aug 09 05:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, they suck | Aug 09 05:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but worse if they are right about the economy | Aug 09 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, if they're faggots, the women will willingly throw themselves at you | Aug 09 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | women may deny it, but they're all suckers for giant dicks. | Aug 09 05:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: few ppl are optimistic | Aug 09 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im optimistic | Aug 09 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just that | Aug 09 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | well that's nice :) | Aug 09 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | shut the fuck up goldman sachs, fuck you. | Aug 09 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont care if what they predict EXACTLY happens | Aug 09 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're still wrong. | Aug 09 05:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its very bad when I trust the data of Goldman sachs more than the Gov | Aug 09 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Aug 09 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | their internal data really is 100% accurate | Aug 09 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one ever gets to see internal data. | Aug 09 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, 2011 will be a decently average year. | Aug 09 05:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: the govt did their part in the theft. why would you trust them? | Aug 09 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | none of this silly double dip recession bullshit. | Aug 09 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | DURR HURR | Aug 09 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | IM FOX NEWS | Aug 09 05:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they are saying that things will get worse and stay worse all till the end of 2011 | Aug 09 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | WE DOUBLE DIP OUR RECESSIONS LIKE WE DOUBLE DIP OUR CHIPS | Aug 09 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | DURFA HURFA HURFFFFFFFFFFF | Aug 09 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just hate people. Srsly. | Aug 09 05:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | FurnaceBoy> good point, truth is I don't | Aug 09 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: they'll do it again | Aug 09 05:12 |
| cubevector | they're thieves | Aug 09 05:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, that one link is predicting a new handout for the banks | Aug 09 05:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | new week | Aug 09 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | they wont do it for awhile | Aug 09 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | goldman sachs isnt _stupid_ | Aug 09 05:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm described how this works. | Aug 09 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | infact, the only reason they got caught is because EVERYONE ELSE GOT GREEDY | Aug 09 05:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | fear is the lever. , and confusion (FOX's role) | Aug 09 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | they quit doing their scam around the same time everyone copied goldman sachs thinking it was a legitimate investing strategy | Aug 09 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | "oops" | Aug 09 05:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: GS got caught. the govt complicity isn't clear to many | Aug 09 05:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, they will hand the money to Freedie Mac and Fanny Mae, which buys the worthless mortages from the banks | Aug 09 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: well | Aug 09 05:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: and in the end they got the cash, home clear, joke is on american people | Aug 09 05:13 |
| cubevector | "In November, 2009, he declared in an interview, as a banker: "I'm doing God's work." [13] Several days later he indicated that he regretted that remark and said he had intended it as a joke" | Aug 09 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | who cares | Aug 09 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | money isnt even real | Aug 09 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | it is if you're unemployed/foreclosed/etc | Aug 09 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | unhealthy | Aug 09 05:14 |
| cubevector | groceries? :) | Aug 09 05:14 |
| cubevector | unless you're a famer | Aug 09 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | we're all of us pretty close to the street. it's a pity more didn't take that lesson, too... | Aug 09 05:14 |
| cubevector | you pretty much need money | Aug 09 05:14 |
| cubevector | farmer | Aug 09 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | I know ppl off the grid. it's a full time job. | Aug 09 05:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | I say we just start eating wall street bankers | Aug 09 05:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | should taste like chicken | Aug 09 05:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: :) | Aug 09 05:15 |
| cubevector | Soylent greenbacks :) | Aug 09 05:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | boom boom | Aug 09 05:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sounds like a movie | Aug 09 05:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Bonfire of the Vanities - BYO skewer | Aug 09 05:16 |
| cubevector | 2022, only 12 years to go | Aug 09 05:16 |
| cubevector | listen to this description of the movie: | Aug 09 05:17 |
| cubevector | "dystopian future suffering from pollution, overpopulation, depleted resources, poverty, dying oceans and a hot climate due to the greenhouse effect." | Aug 09 05:17 |
| cubevector | hmmm | Aug 09 05:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it was a great movie btw | Aug 09 05:17 |
| cubevector | 40 million people in NY | Aug 09 05:18 |
| cubevector | what's the NY population now? | Aug 09 05:18 |
| cubevector | 8,391,881 | Aug 09 05:19 |
| cubevector | yeah that's a bit scary | Aug 09 05:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Istanbul is the fastest growing city in the world | Aug 09 05:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe the largest too | Aug 09 05:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is pretty easy to confirm :) | Aug 09 05:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | it has some hefty competition | Aug 09 05:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 12.8 million | Aug 09 05:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | so, not the largest | Aug 09 05:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 5th largest | Aug 09 05:22 |
| cubevector | what's the largest, Tokyo? | Aug 09 05:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not sure | Aug 09 05:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | i expect Moscow and Sao Paulo are among 1-4 :) | Aug 09 05:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Probably chinese or indian | Aug 09 05:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | and LA is not tiny | Aug 09 05:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's a wikipedia page on megacities | Aug 09 05:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | LA is 4 million | Aug 09 05:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | really? how do they measure that? | Aug 09 05:24 |
| cubevector | Toyko has the largest pop | Aug 09 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | myhometown is bigger than that... | Aug 09 05:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | LA might not count the burbs, but I think it does | Aug 09 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | Shanghai is a megacity | Aug 09 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: at that figure, it doesn't. | Aug 09 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | GTA is 5.5 mil iirc | Aug 09 05:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you can wikipedia it | Aug 09 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz should fix his bot for that. | Aug 09 05:28 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | gn all | Aug 09 05:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Schwarzenegger: Allow same-sex marriages to resume http://shar.es/0mqTp -- but he was against it (twice) before he was for it. #wtf | Aug 09 05:57 | |
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| neighborlee | yeah arnie didn't always use to feel that way, but better late than never ;) | Aug 09 06:04 |
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| cubeAROS | hey hey | Aug 09 06:07 |
| cubeAROS | I got it to work fi | Aug 09 06:08 |
| cubeAROS | finally | Aug 09 06:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | okayyyy | Aug 09 06:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | neighborlee: I smell a rat | Aug 09 06:10 |
| cubeAROS | oops | Aug 09 06:11 |
| cubeAROS | I can't see what I'm typing :_) | Aug 09 06:12 |
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| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: The investment mess in the USA did not affect Australian banks badly. Due to only 10 percent of bank investments are allowed in high risk items by law. Same kind of law existed in the USA before one of the goverments there decided removing regulation was good. | Aug 09 06:48 |
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| schestowitz | jono: hey | Aug 09 06:53 |
| schestowitz | Oh oh... see, I reckon ryan didn't take it well. | Aug 09 06:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45064544#notice-45503530 "@schestowitz US offers human sacrifice & trillions debt to dual god of capitalism & military ind. complex. Public health="evil socialism"" | Aug 09 07:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @lamm US offers human sacrifice & trillions debt to dual gods of capitalism & military while Public health="evil socialism" | Aug 09 07:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon see that's what I was very worried about | Aug 09 07:08 | |
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| jono | hey schestowitz | Aug 09 07:15 |
| jono | schestowitz yeah, not sure what is going on | Aug 09 07:15 |
| schestowitz | jono: I think he could be a threat to himself | Aug 09 07:15 |
| jono | schestowitz do you have any contact details for him? | Aug 09 07:16 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 09 07:16 |
| jono | hmmm | Aug 09 07:16 |
| jono | do you think the discussion earlier would really cause him to harm himself? | Aug 09 07:16 |
| schestowitz | I was too harsh on him | Aug 09 07:16 |
| schestowitz | jono: maybe he just quits the Net | Aug 09 07:16 |
| jono | schestowitz don't blame yourself, you were just trying to help keep an orderly conduct here | Aug 09 07:17 |
| jono | and from what I can tell from the log, he wasn't actually banned | Aug 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | He was shamed out | Aug 09 07:18 |
| jono | fingers crossed it was a positive message that he is reflecting on, but I am also concerned about his safety | Aug 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | I think he liked you | Aug 09 07:18 |
| jono | I don't think anyone was inappropriate in the discussion here | Aug 09 07:19 |
| schestowitz | And that the only way he could speak to you was to provoke | Aug 09 07:19 |
| jono | really? | Aug 09 07:19 |
| schestowitz | He's like that | Aug 09 07:19 |
| jono | he has an odd way of showing he liked me | Aug 09 07:19 |
| schestowitz | He's an odd person | Aug 09 07:19 |
| jono | indeed | Aug 09 07:20 |
| jono | well let's hope he logs back on and we can see what is going on | Aug 09 07:20 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/daemonfc | Aug 09 07:20 |
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| schestowitz | Odd timing | Aug 09 07:20 |
| jono | yeah, his blog has gone too | Aug 09 07:20 |
| jono | my only thinking is that he is reflecting on his conduct online and maybe wants to start afresh | Aug 09 07:21 |
| schestowitz | I hope do | Aug 09 07:22 |
| schestowitz | *so | Aug 09 07:22 |
| jono | indeed | Aug 09 07:22 |
| jono | when he is back online I would be happy to have a chat with him | Aug 09 07:23 |
| jono | see if there is anything I can do to help | Aug 09 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Aug 09 07:23 |
| jono | schestowitz if you see him, do feel free to pass that on | Aug 09 07:23 |
| jono | I am not sure if he wants to talk, but happy to do so | Aug 09 07:24 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 09 07:25 |
| jono | I will stick around for a bit to see if he logs on | Aug 09 07:25 |
| jono | schestowitz when does he usually get online/ | Aug 09 07:25 |
| jono | seems to be around 5am his time | Aug 09 07:25 |
| schestowitz | All sorts of times | Aug 09 07:25 |
| jono | ahhh | Aug 09 07:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't have any contact details | Aug 09 07:26 |
| schestowitz | now there's no blog/twitter either | Aug 09 07:26 |
| schestowitz | Elusive person | Aug 09 07:26 |
| jono | indeed | Aug 09 07:26 |
| jono | well, I guess we just need to wait | Aug 09 07:27 |
| jono | and when he does pop back online let's be as supportive as we can | Aug 09 07:27 |
| jono | schestowitz I thought one way of getting in touch with him would be Launchpad, but it looks like his account is gone there too | Aug 09 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Whao | Aug 09 07:35 |
| schestowitz | It's like mass deletion | Aug 09 07:35 |
| jono | yeah | Aug 09 07:35 |
| jono | really odd | Aug 09 07:35 |
| jono | brb | Aug 09 07:35 |
| schestowitz | jono: this account is still on: http://www.justin.tv/daemonfc#/w/298320096 | Aug 09 07:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @fabsh "Ubuntu aims to be free and open-source software. However, this is not always possible." http://ur1.ca/11d6n | Aug 09 07:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] WRT previous status, foot... meet bullet... | Aug 09 07:49 | |
| amarsh04 | search engine query sent to police: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/09/2977499.htm | Aug 09 07:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Source and Economics: How the Hold Up Problem Explains the Flash Wars - http://bit.ly/bBmrWr nothing new, but reasonable analysis #oss | Aug 09 07:54 | |
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| jono | schestowitz is that screenshot him? | Aug 09 08:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Australian Insults the Australians’ Intelligence, on Microsoft’s Behalf http://ur1.ca/11de4 #theaustralian #bsa #propaganda | Aug 09 08:03 | |
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| schestowitz | jono: yeah | Aug 09 08:03 |
| schestowitz | He sometimes video-chats with this thing here, although not many people pay attention to it | Aug 09 08:03 |
| schestowitz | He's trying to 'pull a Jono' | Aug 09 08:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Links ‘n’ Thoughts on emerging science blogging networks - http://bit.ly/alPPwZ good analysis; interesting times #blogging #science | Aug 09 08:12 | |
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| jono | schestowitz yeah I see | Aug 09 08:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @georgzoche Munich hit by tsunami! http://twitpic.com/2cvq5x | Aug 09 08:16 | |
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| jono | schestowitz I sent him a message on justin.tv | Aug 09 08:18 |
| jono | just to let him know we are worried about if he is ok | Aug 09 08:19 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 09 08:19 |
| schestowitz | I do worry, still | Aug 09 08:20 |
| jono | same here | Aug 09 08:20 |
| schestowitz | He was already seeing mental doctors after he was forced to | Aug 09 08:20 |
| jono | really? | Aug 09 08:20 |
| schestowitz | I can't ban someone like that | Aug 09 08:20 |
| schestowitz | I tried to be supportive | Aug 09 08:20 |
| jono | I didnt realize the situation | Aug 09 08:21 |
| schestowitz | Making suggestions on stuff, helping his blog, etc. | Aug 09 08:21 |
| jono | right | Aug 09 08:21 |
| schestowitz | I was the only one to listen to him on justin.tv | Aug 09 08:22 |
| jono | schestowitz I see | Aug 09 08:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is Ushahidi a Liberation Technology? - http://bit.ly/bcdyPv "the role of technology in repressive environments" #ushahidi | Aug 09 08:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] CoLAb - http://bit.ly/cb3iSa "Designed for open and massively collaborative science": v. cool #openscience #collaboration | Aug 09 08:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @glynmoody Is Ushahidi a Liberation Technology? - http://bit.ly/bcdyPv "the role of technology in repressive environments" #ushahidi | Aug 09 08:32 | |
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| cubeAROS | hmmm | Aug 09 08:36 |
| cubeAROS | I'm pretty much limited to irc on AROS | Aug 09 08:37 |
| cubeAROS | anyways, got it running at least | Aug 09 08:37 |
| cubeAROS | more alpha than I realized | Aug 09 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 09 08:37 |
| schestowitz | AROS? | Aug 09 08:37 |
| schestowitz | ARSE OS :-) | Aug 09 08:37 |
| cubeAROS | I'm too tired to remember what the acronym is :) | Aug 09 08:38 |
| schestowitz | researc something | Aug 09 08:38 |
| cubeAROS | AROS Rearch operating system | Aug 09 08:38 |
| cubeAROS | AROS research operating system | Aug 09 08:38 |
| cubeAROS | another recursive acronym | Aug 09 08:38 |
| cubeAROS | what does ctcp version say about me? | Aug 09 08:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] pic of the week: London light - http://bit.ly/90gxda love that early morning feeling #pix #london #flickr | Aug 09 08:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates’ ‘Foundation’ is Lobbying Vietnam’s Leadership to Derail Migration to FOSS http://ur1.ca/11dmb #Gates #GNU #Linux #Vietnam | Aug 09 08:41 | |
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| cubeAROS | crashed :) | Aug 09 08:42 |
| cubeAROS | oh well | Aug 09 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 09 08:42 |
| cubeAROS | it's alpha | Aug 09 08:42 |
| cubeAROS | going to be a while before aros sets any uptime records | Aug 09 08:43 |
| schestowitz | maybe that's what the alpha stood for :-) | Aug 09 08:43 |
| cubeAROS | the irc client isn't bad | Aug 09 08:43 |
| cubeAROS | I really need another monitor though | Aug 09 08:43 |
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| cubeAROS | oh well that's enough aros for tonight | Aug 09 08:50 |
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| schestowitz | Is it true that IRC experience resurgence some years back? | Aug 09 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Cause ISPs kill USENET by removing servers for it (due to "terror~1" and "child pr0n" and other enemies that Cuomo has been using to kill the medium) | Aug 09 08:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's #Xbox 360 Suffers From “Storage Problem” http://ur1.ca/11dtg Microsoft is used to being the one to play catch-up | Aug 09 09:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Mozilla Summit 2010 and dev culture - http://bit.ly/9hCCNO interesting discussion about openness in comments (via @mjasay) | Aug 09 09:09 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: which OS? | Aug 09 09:17 |
| cubevector | hmm? vectorlinux | Aug 09 09:22 |
| cubevector | back to Linux for now | Aug 09 09:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is Climbing to the Mobile Top While #Microsoft Falls Below 10% in the US http://ur1.ca/11dzt | Aug 09 09:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Steve Ballmer Fails in Tablets; Among #Microsoft #Windows Proponents, Only 9% Want Ballmer to Stay http://ur1.ca/11e97 | Aug 09 10:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #hypePods Are Exploding, #Apple Forced to Post Warnings in Japan, Shares Decline http://ur1.ca/11eis #hype #danger | Aug 09 10:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Nice pix of another #whoopsiedaisy at apple via @schestowitz http://www.macworld.com.au/news/aussie-nano-latest-to-explode-14219/ | Aug 09 10:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] RIM Works Out Deal In Saudi Arabia, Causing Many To Wonder If They Can Trust Their Blackberry http://dlvr.it/3Z4qm | Aug 09 10:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Stuxnet Grows Beyond Siemens-Windows Infections http://ur1.ca/11eqq #stuxnet #siemens #zeus #microsoft | Aug 09 10:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] And just when you thought #MSFT is really getting more open ... http://is.gd/e9O44 #ironruby | Aug 09 10:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks: three digital myths | Middle East Online http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=40476 | Aug 09 10:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Kyrgyz start-up conquers the world - http://bit.ly/cLguvd makeuseof.com - new to me: anyone use this? #kyrgyz | Aug 09 11:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ultimaker - http://bit.ly/cWWQi5 "low cost 3D printer with a small form factor but large build envelope" probably open source #3d | Aug 09 11:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fraud at #HP and What it Means to #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/11f48 #linux #apple #windows | Aug 09 11:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @snarf: "Our research is indicating that Microsoft is unable to connect with the new generation of users" http://is.gd/e9PQ5 | Aug 09 11:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @schestowitz: #Fraud at #HP and What it Means to #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/11f48 #linux #apple #windows | Aug 09 11:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Groklaw Repeats Warning About #Mono as a #Patent Threat http://techrights.org/2010/08/09/mono-patent-fights-risk/ #swpats | Aug 09 12:04 | |
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| schestowitz | > At the local Library .. what a coincidence you can't access Open Source ... | Aug 09 12:14 |
| schestowitz | > ------- | Aug 09 12:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 09 12:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst if Microsoft has "connection" issues (with young generations), maybe it should lift networking code from BSD, again | Aug 09 12:14 | |
| schestowitz | > - quote - | Aug 09 12:14 |
| schestowitz | > The Websense category "Freeware and Software Download" is filtered. | Aug 09 12:14 |
| schestowitz | > - unquote - | Aug 09 12:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 09 12:14 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.fs-driver.org/download.html | Aug 09 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/elmyra/statuses/20690816413 "A couple of interesting insights on what Gates did next: http://tinyurl.com/29463ek You didn't think he was gone for good, did you?" | Aug 09 12:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "OMG! Ignorant!" http://www.the-source.com/2010/08/omg-ignorant/ Good rebuttal to a controversial "OMG!Ubuntu" post | Aug 09 12:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ex-Goldman Sachs Employee Compares Working At Bank To Being A 'Fluffer' On A 'Porn Set' http://ur1.ca/11fhd They hold the same standards | Aug 09 12:21 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/a-banker-cant-get-arreste_b_672642.html | Aug 09 12:26 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @jonobacon is this the kind of "propaganda" that is tolerated in UbuntuWorld? I hope not. http://is.gd/e9Tds #tribalism #fail | Aug 09 12:26 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VxWorks-flaws-allow-access-to-numerous-network-devices-1052338.html ok opps | Aug 09 12:31 |
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| oiaohm | Someone forgot to remove the debugger from production devices | Aug 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Intel's problem | Aug 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | They should move to Linux | Aug 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | More eyeballs | Aug 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | "It really isn’t necessary to be deliberately controversial to make a point. The community is a lot more diverse than your headline suggests. Not everyone has a neck beard, is 35 (although I am), or indeed is a dude. Perpetuating this kind of stereotype as you have done in this article is one of the things that damages the image of the community as seen from the outside and I don’t appreciate it. You are an Ubuntu Member now, | Aug 09 12:33 |
| schestowitz | the regional board put their trust in you that you are going to be a responsible and respectful member of the community and a good example to others. Don’t let them down." | Aug 09 12:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Piracy is not theft" [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/upz16.jpg | Aug 09 12:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] New Zealand Authors Demanding Compulsory Blanket 'You Must Be A Criminal' Internet Charge http://dlvr.it/3ZGl5 | Aug 09 12:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] New Zealand Authors Demanding Compulsory Blanket 'You Must Be A Criminal' Internet Charge - http://bit.ly/dwPv1k easy way to make money #nz | Aug 09 13:04 | |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.prwatch.org/node/9341 | Aug 09 13:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "most of the people at Canonical [agree] that Ubuntu needs to disconnect from this crazy Linux evangelist thing [...]" - http://is.gd/e9Vht | Aug 09 13:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer "most of the people at Canonical [agree] that Ubuntu needs to disconnect from this crazy Linux eva..." - http://is.gd/e9Vht | Aug 09 13:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Added a comment to point out at least I am NOT willing to be called "crazy Linux Evangelist" at http://is.gd/e9VYh | Aug 09 13:17 | |
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| schestowitz | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/431393-shaquille-oneal-must-embrace-ubuntu-to-preserve-his-legacy | Aug 09 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | Shaw is dumping Windows?!?! :-) | Aug 09 13:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] The Truth About Google, Verizon and Net Neutrality http://bit.ly/aIvemx What's _really_ going on. Excellent, factual piece. #Google | Aug 09 13:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @markshuttlecock: I was thinking of joining the chat of the podcast "Ubuntu Outlaws" later this evening. | ROTFL, @fabsh will love it :-) | Aug 09 13:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Dead Microsoft Sketch - http://bit.ly/adbwkD if Microsoft is a spent force, as more now think, what does its future hold? #microsoft | Aug 09 13:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] How many people out there make their own hardware? See this: http://fsmsh.com/3372 What if you could "print" a... phone! #freesoftware | Aug 09 13:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] How many people out there make their own hardware? See this: http://fsmsh.com/3372 What if you could "print" a... phone! #freesoftware | Aug 09 13:45 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Made-To-Order revolution: custom flexible manufacturing is here .::. Size~: 53.51 KB | Aug 09 13:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is winning http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/linux-is-winning-707828 | Aug 09 13:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The saga of Git: Lightning does strike twice - http://bit.ly/dat1c8 so, what will Linus do for his *third* ecosystem? #git #scm #forks | Aug 09 13:58 | |
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| schestowitz | Re: a new way to control your `computer' | Aug 09 14:08 |
| schestowitz | > And no mention of MICROS~1 WINDOWS | Aug 09 14:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 09 14:08 |
| schestowitz | > http://slashdot.org/submission/1303142/a-new-way-to-control-your-computer | Aug 09 14:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Submission | a new way to control your `computer' .::. Size~: 42.86 KB | Aug 09 14:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] The #Linuxcon mini-summits are about ready to go. I'm sitting in on KVM-- #Linux built-in VM -- for starters. | Aug 09 14:09 | |
| oiaohm | Hang on git was Linus third. schestowitz | Aug 09 14:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @TheTechScribe: Attention Kmart shoppers: $149 Android tablet on aisle 5 One problem: Android isn't licensed. http://bit.ly/9gwtOd | Aug 09 14:10 | |
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| oiaohm | Programable cpu cores was Linus second schestowitz | Aug 09 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Just gossip | Aug 09 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Linus is not the centre of the universe | Aug 09 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Linus has been a good starter of particular items. | Aug 09 14:10 |
| oiaohm | But there are others who have started more. | Aug 09 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Bit it doesn't matter | Aug 09 14:11 |
| schestowitz | It's like those fools who put in /.'s front page some brainfart from BillG | Aug 09 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Like he's a school expert now | Aug 09 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Android is licensed | Aug 09 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Linus can have his arguments, the issue is Linux though, not Linus | Aug 09 14:12 |
| oiaohm | And there are quite a few companies who are going to find out the hardway that GPL licence of the kernel has to be followed. | Aug 09 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Even wrapped up inside android | Aug 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's not healthy to obsess over Linus | Aug 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Google is a company | Aug 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | And that matters | Aug 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | They distribute Linux like mad ATM | Aug 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Phones... | Aug 09 14:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] KVM session at #Linuxcon is packed. | Aug 09 14:16 | |
| oiaohm | I like history schestowitz | Aug 09 14:16 |
| oiaohm | And I like if people quote it they get it correct. | Aug 09 14:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Climate change: helping nature survive the human response - http://bit.ly/98MqZA that response will be part of the problem#climatechange | Aug 09 14:20 | |
| oiaohm | Now what would be warped is a android ATM (automatic cash machine). schestowitz | Aug 09 14:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @Glinner Harrassed for a lifetime for telling the truth. http://bit.ly/ctNqNK >>scandalous - not least our own inaction | Aug 09 14:22 | |
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| -TechrightsBot/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @Glinner Harrassed for a lifetime for telling the truth. http://bit.ly/ctNqNK >>scandalous - not least our own inaction | Aug 09 14:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- Worst Fox News Poll Spin Promoting Bush Tax Cuts for... http://youtu.be/FkJiJs_WBXM?a | Aug 09 14:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 9/8/2010: $149 #Android Tablet, #Linux a Winner http://techrights.org/2010/08/09/linux-a-winner/ | Aug 09 14:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] Access Copyright's 1300% Tariff Increase for university students - Deadline to Object is August 11, 2010 http://bit.ly/bgVvse | Aug 09 14:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody RT @Glinner Harrassed for a lifetime for telling the truth. http://bit.ly/ctNqNK >>scandalous - not least our own inaction | Aug 09 14:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @atbennett: 50% of companies wed to open source, 28% just dating, says Accenture http://bit.ly/ci8QLg #foss #linux | Aug 09 14:42 | |
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| amarsh04 | I bought a book on Mordechai Vanunu many years ago... | Aug 09 14:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How not to do it: http://is.gd/ea1VI Because this happens: http://is.gd/ea1XT And your name becomes a curse. | Aug 09 14:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I have begun creating an index that explains how Microsoft harms US jobs. http://ur1.ca/11goy (Microsoft - Offshoring and Visas) | Aug 09 14:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] A Day In The Life Of Legalized Extortion: How The BMI Shakedown Works http://dlvr.it/3ZTGb | Aug 09 15:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dominic Raab MP actually threatens legal action for revealing his taxpayer-supplied parliamentary email address http://bit.ly/bOs0ut | Aug 09 15:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] The short version of HP and its CEO leaving: "Your expense report has been rejected, please contact your manager" #sarcasm | Aug 09 15:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Replacement for Ballmer From the Outside, Microsoft's Inexpensive Outside Workforce Suppressed by US Congress http://ur1.ca/11h4g | Aug 09 15:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] just added #rantofab to my podcast list. | Aug 09 15:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard by saying it he begged for more. Priceless. | Aug 09 15:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] KVM is doing some interesting things with testing using Google's autotest for Linux. Other FOSS developers take notice. #LinuxCon | Aug 09 15:46 | |
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| jono | schestowitz hey | Aug 09 15:46 |
| jono | any sign of Ryan today? | Aug 09 15:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Media Campaign Against Craigslist Continues, As WaPo Writes Article About Its Own Anti-Craigslist Advertiser http://dlvr.it/3ZYb6 | Aug 09 15:51 | |
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| amarsh04 | I haven't seen him in channel, jono | Aug 09 15:54 |
| Ziomatrix | Is it just me or is big Media just lashing out against internet communities altogether targeting bloggers (while citing them), Wikileaks and Craigslist. | Aug 09 15:56 |
| Ziomatrix | Its like some kind of McCarthesque campaign against individual online users because of their audacity to do things which are usually reserved for larger documented individuals (corporations | Aug 09 15:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] Sam Trosow's recent presentation on the Access Copyright tariff proposal - ppt + audio available. http://bit.ly/cjIuqY | Aug 09 15:59 | |
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| jono | amarsh04, ahhh I see | Aug 09 16:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Registers a free pass for OSI Days, September 19-21, 2010 http://osidays.com/register-now /thx .shakthimaan | Aug 09 16:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yeah, my washing machine did that last night, decommissioning two fuses as well RT @wikimediatech mark: srv110 decommissioned itself | Aug 09 16:04 | |
| schestowitz | jono: no sign yet | Aug 09 16:10 |
| schestowitz | I hope it's just his web presence he eliminates | Aug 09 16:10 |
| jono | schestowitz what do you mean? | Aug 09 16:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm worried about him, esp. cause he deleted the blog | Aug 09 16:11 |
| schestowitz | He had loads of stuff there | Aug 09 16:11 |
| jono | schestowitz yeah I am too | Aug 09 16:11 |
| jono | he also deleted his Justin.tv account | Aug 09 16:11 |
| jono | he never replied to my message | Aug 09 16:12 |
| schestowitz | did he? | Aug 09 16:12 |
| jono | yep | Aug 09 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Well, at least we know he's online | Aug 09 16:12 |
| jono | yeah | Aug 09 16:12 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] sensorMote for !Android reviewed at http://bit.ly/cOVRCk | Aug 09 16:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: Craig has complained that the media smeared him | Aug 09 16:13 |
| schestowitz | but he blamed the classified ads for it | Aug 09 16:13 |
| schestowitz | He took away their core business model's life | Aug 09 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks is different, USENET is another thing they kill | Aug 09 16:14 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: well its like blowing up a bus stop because someone got raped there, I know horribly heavy analogy | Aug 09 16:14 |
| schestowitz | They can't DMCA a usenet newsgroup or shut it down via a host | Aug 09 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: yeah, prostitutes too | Aug 09 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Add some molested kids and women tracking to the mix, wrap up for politicians | Aug 09 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Not that the prostitutes didn't just move on to the next platform... | Aug 09 16:15 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I can probably find very euphemistic adds of a similar quality in a phone book or newspaper that doesn't have as strict quality controls, they are out there. | Aug 09 16:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @serk01 sensorMote for #Android reviewed at http://bit.ly/cOVRCk | Aug 09 16:16 | |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: people just need to grow a pair and realize they need to think for themselves | Aug 09 16:16 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: if the person can provide definite identification, contractable address and proof of product or service shown don't bother going | Aug 09 16:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR2010080606376.html?hpid%3Dmoreheadlines&sub=AR | Aug 09 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Heh | Aug 09 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Just seen it | Aug 09 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Sex-trafficking is indeed their excuse now, I guessed right | Aug 09 16:17 |
| schestowitz | It's nice when your competitor accuses you not of being less good but of abusing women and sex and stuff. Gentlemen... | Aug 09 16:17 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I know plenty of hair salons around me that give "happy endings" as shown on their sign, one even has the "Brazilian Blowout" | Aug 09 16:18 |
| Ziomatrix | hair and nail salons/ message parlor | Aug 09 16:18 |
| schestowitz | What the heck is "Brazilian Blowout"? | Aug 09 16:18 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: beats me, lol | Aug 09 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Penalty shootout? | Aug 09 16:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] Canadian Library Association posts its objections to the Access Copyright tariff proposal [PDF] - http://bit.ly/byn0az | Aug 09 16:19 | |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: a business owner in my town was already busted for taking in a male prostitute only after he reported to the police that his wallet and car were stolen the day after | Aug 09 16:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) | Aug 09 16:19 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: all the while Homeland Security and our great exec along with congressional home of liberty is allowing TSA agents to become licensed peepers and pedos: http://tinyurl.com/2aal6xp | Aug 09 16:21 |
| Ziomatrix | [Open in new window] | Aug 09 16:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] MPs emails being swamped by lobby groups contacts force him to hide from his constituents http://bit.ly/bf6a9Z | Aug 09 16:22 | |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: the best part is that black box to the right is where the person viewing the exposed images is supposed to be where they're supposed to be away and not know who's body they're exactly viewing. | Aug 09 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: body scannrs | Aug 09 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Now they can catalogue us naked | Aug 09 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll work out some tech for texturing the body with ski colour and stuff too | Aug 09 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Ciziten #113244434 with a full naked 3D model | Aug 09 16:24 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: even better is the images are not suppose to be leakable yet they can be transmitted to other workstations in the area. | Aug 09 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Updated every time you take a flgiht | Aug 09 16:24 |
| schestowitz | So they can animate it | Aug 09 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Computer warns passenger is sexually excited today... | Aug 09 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: they get saved | Aug 09 16:25 |
| schestowitz | They lied to pass through the legal papers | Aug 09 16:25 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, some dude took a picture/ID of some woman from the scanner home | Aug 09 16:26 |
| schestowitz | I think it was just her address/phone # | Aug 09 16:26 |
| schestowitz | There must be many such cases which never get reported, so you have to extrapolate | Aug 09 16:26 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: TSA agents are even allowed to have a passenger rescanned again at a higher resolution in case they spot any suspicious anomalies | Aug 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | How's the radioation? | Aug 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Did they lie about radiation too? | Aug 09 16:27 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: supposedly its the same dose of radiation you would get from a cross atlantic flight | Aug 09 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I guess we'll find out when "frequent flyers" also have "tumour frequently" | Aug 09 16:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: lol | Aug 09 16:28 |
| *FurnaceBoy sighs | Aug 09 16:28 | |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I wonder if this means passenger bookings will go up for the Queen Marry II? | Aug 09 16:28 |
| schestowitz | We have scanner in Manc | Aug 09 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Among the first in the UK if not the first | Aug 09 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it's cause we have a high Muslin population | Aug 09 16:29 |
| schestowitz | *lim | Aug 09 16:29 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: how long will it take before more celeb shots come about? | Aug 09 16:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: sadly no | Aug 09 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Racial profil... sheesh! | Aug 09 16:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: no more ship bookings | Aug 09 16:30 |
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| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: wb | Aug 09 16:30 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: how come? | Aug 09 16:30 |
| ThistleWeb | hey | Aug 09 16:30 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: Daemon is missing | Aug 09 16:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: ppl don't think that way :) they tolerate all kinds of stuff sheeplike | Aug 09 16:30 |
| schestowitz | he deleted all his accounts, his blog, etc. | Aug 09 16:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: the TSA stuff is to raise the level of expected inconvenience, 'the new normal' | Aug 09 16:31 |
| ThistleWeb | and this is a problem for Techrights how exactly? | Aug 09 16:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: yeah i think celeb shots will surface continuously | Aug 09 16:31 |
| ThistleWeb | for friends of his it;s a problem | Aug 09 16:32 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: its stuff like this that makes it possibly lucrative to start a trans-atlanic Ekranoplan route, its like flying but more fuel efficient with the potential to be classified under maritime regulations which has as many security wholes as swiss cheese instead of commercial airline. | Aug 09 16:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: what's that? ground effect? | Aug 09 16:32 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: yup | Aug 09 16:32 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: he's a gun maniac | Aug 09 16:32 |
| ThistleWeb | perhaps the penny finally droped last night that he'd pushed his luck too far too often | Aug 09 16:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | I'm sure we can still communicate with him via the chan logs. :P | Aug 09 16:33 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: its a method of creating lift utilizing a large wind and the right angle of thrust due to how a body of water deflects wind currents | Aug 09 16:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Morning, well I would say he will probably be back at some point | Aug 09 16:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: yes, i've heard of this.. they were testing one in Tasmania | Aug 09 16:33 |
| ThistleWeb | everyone is responsible for their own actions, nobody elses | Aug 09 16:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: the russians built them | Aug 09 16:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: more fuel efficient? that would be important.. | Aug 09 16:34 |
| ThistleWeb | !op | Aug 09 16:34 |
| ThistleWeb | k, the op status is gone, good | Aug 09 16:34 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: Ekranoplan is what the Soviets called them and they went the farthest creating jet based ground effect aircraft that were able to hold over 800k lbs and go over 600 miles at 340mph. | Aug 09 16:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's 'gone rogue' | Aug 09 16:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Aug 09 16:34 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: it takes less lift compared to weight to hold a ground-effects vehicle plane up compared to the amount of fuel used for takeoff for a jetliner. | Aug 09 16:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Martin Sheen | Aug 09 16:35 |
| ThistleWeb | if he's that unstable he needs help | Aug 09 16:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he is already on med's | Aug 09 16:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: less fuel is good. how about safety? | Aug 09 16:35 |
| ThistleWeb | and if meds aren't enough he needs to get help beyond that | Aug 09 16:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 09 16:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am not excusing him from bad conduct, but he did contribute here some | Aug 09 16:36 |
| *FurnaceBoy suspects he needs to get out of the toxic environment | Aug 09 16:36 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he is smart, most likely will be back as a nymph | Aug 09 16:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | smart and irrational. | Aug 09 16:37 |
| ThistleWeb | the question becomes "do you want to throw all your work down the drain just to keep one person from blowing up?" | Aug 09 16:37 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: the Soviet ones were able to fly most efficient at 66ft above water level, but I suppose its able to make any leaps over waves. There really aren't as many protruding waves in the middle of the ocean though, the biggest concern is wind. | Aug 09 16:37 |
| ThistleWeb | with him here in one of his moods, all the good work of schestowitz's goes up in smoke | Aug 09 16:38 |
| ThistleWeb | journalists will never take the site or its message seriously | Aug 09 16:38 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: I would think a hovercraft and ground-effects vehicle would be an ideal mix | Aug 09 16:38 |
| jono | I just hope he is safe | Aug 09 16:38 |
| ThistleWeb | jono: I do too | Aug 09 16:39 |
| ThistleWeb | but it's not the responsibility of anyone here | Aug 09 16:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There is always going to be some sort of a conflict in IRC. Its not the front page, so maybe a disclaimer is in order, that the views in the IRC channel may not be the views of this site are in order. | Aug 09 16:39 |
| Ziomatrix | ThistleWeb: I never heard of IRC being the ideal place for mediation, venting and ranting yes | Aug 09 16:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: but this is the channel B. there's #techrights isn't there? | Aug 09 16:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Congress About To Pass 'The ______Act of____' (These Are The People We Elect?) http://dlvr.it/3ZdQ2 | Aug 09 16:40 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: there probably should be a venting chan | Aug 09 16:40 |
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| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: there is its ##politics, lol | Aug 09 16:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: i mean for regulars here | Aug 09 16:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | we're not all sane * giggles maniacally * | Aug 09 16:40 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: true, but I wouldn't make it too obvious | Aug 09 16:40 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DFC was warned many times | Aug 09 16:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Developers: here's what happens when u trust Microsoft w a FOSS project http://is.gd/e9O44 thx @jwildeboer | Aug 09 16:41 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | he didn't feel that he should moderate his behaviour in any way. | Aug 09 16:41 |
| ThistleWeb | Chips_B_Malroy: that's fine up to a point, imagine the scenario "manager watches salesperson rant and rave at a customer, insulting them etc and chooses not to intervene. The obvious conclusion is that the behaviour is either tolerated or encouraged" | Aug 09 16:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: depends on the VENUE, is my point | Aug 09 16:41 |
| Ziomatrix | The ___ Act of ____ is simply to hide ___barrel spending | Aug 09 16:42 |
| ThistleWeb | I thought about having a "rant" tag on my blog, so I could let off steam and let people know it wasn't the thought out analyses but a vent | Aug 09 16:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Aug 09 16:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I was probably the one that pressured Roy the most to banned him the first time, you can ask Roy on that. | Aug 09 16:43 |
| ThistleWeb | how the hell did he find a home in a channel which exposes MS's dealings and Windows failings as a loyal windows user? | Aug 09 16:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: I never quite got that either. | Aug 09 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | wouldn't he be better trolling a windows channel? | Aug 09 16:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ubuntu wéér in de problemen: http://tinyurl.com/23qbw2e #zucht | Aug 09 16:44 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Truthfully, Ryan wasn't as bad when he came back. And did contribute. | Aug 09 16:44 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | His Windows stuff, to a point is useful. Where are all the new converts to GNU/Linux going to come from? From Windows, thats where. So Windows experience is useful to us. | Aug 09 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh gawd. That Humphreys article is pathetic. | Aug 09 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: he wasn't taking that tack. | Aug 09 16:45 |
| ThistleWeb | he is very knowledgable about windows | Aug 09 16:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | nobody comes in here as a new Linux convert asking for advice | Aug 09 16:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think Ryan was learning and changing too. | Aug 09 16:46 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: folks do | Aug 09 16:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: maybe. but i don't think i've seen it | Aug 09 16:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But he is very young, and needs to do better to fit in socially | Aug 09 16:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | his attitude wouldn't help linux converts anyway, | Aug 09 16:47 |
| ThistleWeb | people come in here for one of three reasons, either they've heard about the site and it's message and agree with it, or disagree with it, or are curious having seen the detractors saying the opposite | Aug 09 16:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | his mode of discourse was a tin soldier, he would take an idea get wound up and march until he hits the wall. | Aug 09 16:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | read only | Aug 09 16:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have asked jono hard questions in the past, myself. But I know, Jono has a job to do, and no reseason to insult him, He doesn't have to be here, if mistreated. | Aug 09 16:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] @sjvn: this link just takes me to a page of headlines not a story http://bit.ly/aIvemx | Aug 09 16:48 | |
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| ThistleWeb | the mint channels have a system called voice, where everyone that comes in get's voiced. If the ops feel they're outa line they can remove that voice so the person's comments dont show up in the channel but they can still read it in real time, and type to nobody | Aug 09 16:48 |
| ThistleWeb | yesterday I thought jono was very patient under the circumstances | Aug 09 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 09 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | he was | Aug 09 16:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mostly I agree, its hard to not get mad when you are being attacked | Aug 09 16:49 |
| ThistleWeb | imagine that was a curious journalist, who decided to be different from his / her peers and actually investigate a story for once, instead of just reprinting PR | Aug 09 16:49 |
| ThistleWeb | jono understands IRC | Aug 09 16:49 |
| ThistleWeb | what if that was someone doing a story for a national news outlet | Aug 09 16:50 |
| ThistleWeb | what would the story be? | Aug 09 16:50 |
| Ziomatrix | ThistleWeb: something the editors would blow the whistle on | Aug 09 16:50 |
| ThistleWeb | it wouldn't be what schestowitz works so hard to bring to the media attention | Aug 09 16:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | then post a disclaimer about the IRC | Aug 09 16:51 |
| ThistleWeb | it'd be about the lunatics in the chat room behind the public face of an apparently valuable source of information | Aug 09 16:51 |
| Ziomatrix | ThistleWeb: well you investigate on what you can best understand if you're unable to obtain reliable sources | Aug 09 16:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would not say that Ryan is a lunatic, thats going too far now | Aug 09 16:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] The generational divide of Google Docs, http://bit.ly/bCiX8R | Aug 09 16:52 | |
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| ThistleWeb | I'm saying if a journalist reads through various posts and decides there's something to follow up on, ask questions of, get more information on and see's "oh there's a chat room, I'll go in and hang there for a while, get a feel for them and ask some questions | Aug 09 16:52 |
| ThistleWeb | and Ryan is in one of his far to frequent moods | Aug 09 16:53 |
| ThistleWeb | what impression do they get? | Aug 09 16:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @einfeldt Odd, I just checked it again, and it's working for me. | Aug 09 16:53 | |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: to any mainstream observer one who goes against the publicly accepted norm is initially criticized as a conspirator, ie lunatic. Its like what Gandhi said: ""First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." | Aug 09 16:53 |
| ThistleWeb | does the IRC experience back up the sane, reasoned passionate message? | Aug 09 16:53 |
| ThistleWeb | or does it send a different one? | Aug 09 16:53 |
| Ziomatrix | ThistleWeb: IRC is a messaging board for users pure and simple | Aug 09 16:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is a Threat to Privacy and #NetNeutrality But Accuses #Google of Those Same Threats http://ur1.ca/11i3u | Aug 09 16:54 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: it's also a social hangout. | Aug 09 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: esp for ppl like DFC | Aug 09 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: he treated it like his basement bar | Aug 09 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: constantly pointing to his gun cabinet, recounting fantasies | Aug 09 16:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | FurnaceBoy> Ziomatrix: esp for ppl like DFC" I think you have nailed it there. | Aug 09 16:55 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: true, some valuable ideas from the website maybe brought up and explained as well as new ones created. But they come from individuals, who cannot be directly associated with the content on the website unless quoted for opinion. | Aug 09 16:55 |
| ThistleWeb | yes it is, it's also a real time place where people (potentially people who can spread the message to a much wider audience) can ask about the site, it's message etc | Aug 09 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: I think running away, closing accounts, is not what he should be doing. | Aug 09 16:55 |
| Ziomatrix | ThistleWeb: hence message board and chat lobby | Aug 09 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: ideally yes | Aug 09 16:56 |
| ThistleWeb | I heard schestowitz on flossweekly | Aug 09 16:56 |
| *schestowitz back | Aug 09 16:56 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think he felt betrayed by Roy, he left as soon as Roy gave sys ops to ThistleWeb. | Aug 09 16:56 |
| *schestowitz finished tedious post about Google & Verizon | Aug 09 16:56 | |
| Ziomatrix | ThistleWeb: CNN and NBC have live chats going on which they simply cite for user opinion, it would be kind of hypocritical to debase Techrights for the same reason. I wouldn't put it past them though | Aug 09 16:56 |
| ThistleWeb | much of the negative stuff he was asked about was about other people do either on behalf of or claiming to be on behalf of roy | Aug 09 16:56 |
| schestowitz | [16:50] <ThistleWeb> it wouldn't be what schestowitz works so hard to bring to the media attention | Aug 09 16:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not that I blame Roy for doing that, that was the best way of telling Ryan that was enough, you have gone too far. | Aug 09 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't write with that in mind | Aug 09 16:57 |
| ThistleWeb | racism is clamped down on here, so is sexism etc, and rightly so | Aug 09 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I write it like a journal for people whom I know here | Aug 09 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I give many links | Aug 09 16:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ryan most likely thinks Roy was his friend. | Aug 09 16:58 |
| schestowitz | So people can use links to "official" 'news' sites | Aug 09 16:58 |
| schestowitz | The press is always right | Aug 09 16:58 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I know you don't but a constant refrain is about journos just reprinting PR without looking into stories, or their owners overruling a story to favour a PR peice | Aug 09 16:58 |
| schestowitz | us stinkin' bloggers are just "shouting at each other," according to Pres. Obama | Aug 09 16:58 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: just capitulate and admit you are simply a blogger | Aug 09 16:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | avoid the label for legal reasons | Aug 09 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I think we have a responsibility for him | Aug 09 16:59 |
| ThistleWeb | while techrights is a single user wordpress blog, with every entry written by one person, it's a blog | Aug 09 16:59 |
| schestowitz | He spent hundereds or thousands of hours here | Aug 09 16:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] A coming of age moment: My daughter is now on LinkedIn. | Aug 09 17:00 | |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: DFC had NO reason to suddenly decide Roy was an 'enemy'. that's irrational bullshit. | Aug 09 17:00 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: news sites have CMS too | Aug 09 17:00 |
| ThistleWeb | what percentage of that being an asshole? 50? | Aug 09 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Underneath their 'suit' they are the same | Aug 09 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Many of them use drupal/wp/typepad | Aug 09 17:00 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, wordpress is a single user, single purpose CMS | Aug 09 17:00 |
| schestowitz | They just pay someone for fancy theme and remove the attributions | Aug 09 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Apple did that in 2005 | Aug 09 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | is it secure yet? :) | Aug 09 17:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @deborahgage: Blogging for Reuters' peHUB this week (http://www.pehub.com), as well as CBSI's SmartPlanet http://bit.ly/9rfEGD See you. | Aug 09 17:01 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | schestowitz> Chips_B_Malroy: I think we have a responsibility for him" I agree, what he did might have needed warnings, but not banning IMO. I would have warned him myself. | Aug 09 17:01 |
| schestowitz | They used WordPress and removed all signed from the code | Aug 09 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: nobody wanted banning. | Aug 09 17:01 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: WordPress is multiuser | Aug 09 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | your install is? | Aug 09 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | it is | Aug 09 17:01 |
| schestowitz | 3.0 added a merge of WP MU and WP | Aug 09 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | the wordpress MU is | Aug 09 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | oh, k | Aug 09 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I use 3.0.1 now | Aug 09 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | how many posts are done by others? | Aug 09 17:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | FurnaceBoy> Chips_B_Malroy: DFC had NO reason to suddenly decide Roy was an 'enemy'. that's irrational bullshit." Thats not really what I was trying to say. I said he felt betrayed by one who he thought was his friend. | Aug 09 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Shane made about 1% oif them | Aug 09 17:02 |
| ThistleWeb | and you're the other 99% | Aug 09 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yeah | Aug 09 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I think he loves jono and envies him | Aug 09 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: again, it's not supported by what happened. it would be an irrational over-reaction. | Aug 09 17:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | don't take it hard Roy, its not your fault at all | Aug 09 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | jono has the profile and rock star status in the FOSS community | Aug 09 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 09 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's got something to do with it. | Aug 09 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Rock star literally | Aug 09 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | whether you like ubuntu, canonical or not | Aug 09 17:03 |
| jono | what do you man FurnaceBoy? | Aug 09 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | jono: i was referring to schestowitz: envies you, your profile, success, respect | Aug 09 17:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | jono: brings out the worst | Aug 09 17:04 |
| schestowitz | No, jono | Aug 09 17:04 |
| ThistleWeb | while we're on it, good luck with Severed Fifth jono, sounds like shit to me, but that's personal taste | Aug 09 17:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Aug 09 17:04 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't attack me | Aug 09 17:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | sorry, i was unclear. meant jono | Aug 09 17:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: as you said | Aug 09 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I don't recall him ever cursing me | Aug 09 17:04 |
| jono | thanks ThistleWeb | Aug 09 17:05 |
| jono | schestowitz thinks he admires me, but he always attacks me, so I am not sure how | Aug 09 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: maybe he felt betrayed, i'm only saying that tihs would be an irrational over-reaction | Aug 09 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | jono: he said 'envies' | Aug 09 17:05 |
| ThistleWeb | jono: you have mates for one | Aug 09 17:05 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, let's not talk about people | Aug 09 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | you have people who actually want to talk to you | Aug 09 17:06 |
| jono | schestowitz I agree | Aug 09 17:06 |
| schestowitz | It's pointless and disrespsecful | Aug 09 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I was like and she was like OMG!Ubuntu! | Aug 09 17:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Jono> well, he dosen't like Ubuntu, this goes way back on this channel. So maybe he has you and ubuntu confused. | Aug 09 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | would it be hypocritical of a proud mint user to say he doesn't like ubuntu? ;) | Aug 09 17:07 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: why are you chatting on Roy's behalf, are you contracted to be his arbitrator. :P | Aug 09 17:09 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: or am I confusing you you're chatting about now, politics... | Aug 09 17:10 |
| Ziomatrix | nvm, this is what happens when anyone interjects into a conversation they were afk from while making lunch | Aug 09 17:11 |
| Ziomatrix | set the record straight that I got no idea wtf is going on ;) | Aug 09 17:12 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 09 17:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The shear amount of Ballmer needs to be fired stories is not going to go away. Since Apple cap exceeded MS, the Kin disaster, and | Aug 09 17:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bach and Alard leaving, the press has turned on Ballmer | Aug 09 17:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This negative publistiy for MS, probably cannot be a good thing for the stock or company, if it continues for very long | Aug 09 17:15 |
| Ziomatrix | ThistleWeb: but it does actually sometimes irk mean when somebody mentions Person X will do Y with conviction. Its not as if the person is dead so they're free to contact them on such an opinion and they're free to respond as well as they can't truly comprehend all the motives and though processing that went into their previous discisions. I say just discuss the results. | Aug 09 17:15 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: Hence why there is a Board of Directors who can convene on behalf of the stockholders and choose a new CEO | Aug 09 17:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Best. Visualization. http://is.gd/eab3c via @sixtus I think @georgzoche will use this ... | Aug 09 17:16 | |
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| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: corporations have mechanisms for this, its not all that new | Aug 09 17:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As long as Ballmer stays at the helm, the perception will be that of failure. | Aug 09 17:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | any moderate news will not help him | Aug 09 17:16 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: thats up to the shareholders and others inside Microsoft to ultimately decide. Its not as if brand perception of MS is directly linked to Balmer like Apple is with Jobs | Aug 09 17:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | any bad news furthers the perception of failure | Aug 09 17:17 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: the average Xbox360 doesn't give a damn who is in charge so long as they can buy good titles. | Aug 09 17:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well the stock has lost 21% recently | Aug 09 17:17 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: unlike Apple, MS's cult of personalities seems to mostly exist among employees after Bill Gates "left" | Aug 09 17:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Xbox360 last I knew fell behind Sony PS3 in sales world wide, but not by far. | Aug 09 17:18 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I hate most console makers now after how they treat homebrew | Aug 09 17:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Kinect will likely fail | Aug 09 17:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just on the price point | Aug 09 17:19 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: also how Sony has "patched up" their OtherOS option which they originally tried to use for import purposes, was mostly utilized among academics and is now gone because of how it would effect their relationship with other DMCA cronies. | Aug 09 17:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Still if you were going run MS, and could only keep on project outside of the core windows and office, what would you keep? | Aug 09 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: not sure what you mean. my writing wasn't clear. i was just agreeing with roy. | Aug 09 17:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am not here to defend sony, which is a terrible company as far as users freedoms. Sony is only useful as a tool to weaken the cash horde of MS. | Aug 09 17:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS needs to change or die, so computer users can have free alternatives. | Aug 09 17:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Ab to hum Wireless router wale ho gaye. Just setup my N-300 Netgear router. Feeling happy. | Aug 09 17:23 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: well, you know my opinion. i don't think it can possibly survive,its mission is over. | Aug 09 17:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | without paying the tax | Aug 09 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | sonay are not all bad btw | Aug 09 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | sony* | Aug 09 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: it was a vehicle | Aug 09 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | they have lots of differnt depts, plenty of whom are bad, but it's not all bad | Aug 09 17:24 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: how so? They release top of the line Windows only computers and all their latest formats conform with most DRM that is found on Windows. MS and Sony only compete in the console market. | Aug 09 17:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well probably MS is not all bad either, just rignt away I cannot think of a single good thing to say about MS. | Aug 09 17:24 |
| ThistleWeb | the artists websites on the sony label are all drupal sites, sony employ the jquery dev too full time | Aug 09 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | Resig? | Aug 09 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | the department who deal with that side of the promotion of their artists have fully signed up to the drupal mindset | Aug 09 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | their ebook readers also do epub | Aug 09 17:25 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: HP and Dell have been more vocal about exploring more options then Sony. Tbh, who knows if the new HP CEO will do as much as Hurd to make it happen. As much Mark Hurd's speeches left for many to be desired he did more to steer HP away from MS and into a more profitable then any other | Aug 09 17:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | i thought Resig was at google. | Aug 09 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno that dudes name, he may have moved to google now | Aug 09 17:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's his name. | Aug 09 17:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://ejohn.org/ | Aug 09 17:26 |
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| ThistleWeb | could be right | Aug 09 17:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Aug 09 17:27 |
| ThistleWeb | just saying sony are not all bad, there's some FOSS fires kindling in different depts there | Aug 09 17:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ziomatrix> the Hurd story is only interesting because of them buy Palm and wanting to use WebOS based on Linux for tablets. Hurd leaving might impact that. | Aug 09 17:27 |
| ThistleWeb | as those depts outperform their closed collegues, the message will slowly spread within sony | Aug 09 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | I get the impression that they do experiment with FOSS stuff regularly, they just need that extra persuasion to actually pick it up and run with it | Aug 09 17:28 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: Hurd IS responsible for getting not only Rubenstein but also Bradley who was CEO of PalmOne and other engineers who have no affiliation with MS into HP managing positions | Aug 09 17:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | exactly | Aug 09 17:29 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: funny thing is the contractor who he was having an affair with was responsible for pushing US carriers to transmit WebOS's latest 1.4.5 patch OVA. | Aug 09 17:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he was cleared of any misconduct, but still let go. so there is more to the story than is being said | Aug 09 17:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | To say that he just lost the confidence of the board, is just too hard to believe. | Aug 09 17:32 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: exactly, the affair half is purely allegations and they are still investigating how inconsistent the expense sheets he merely signed on and the CFO actually made were. He was also in the process of negotiating a long term $100 million contract | Aug 09 17:32 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: it still could have happened, but who exactly blew the whistle? | Aug 09 17:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even the expenses do not turn out to be a problem. | Aug 09 17:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This looks more to be a power play of some sort. | Aug 09 17:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | From the board itself. | Aug 09 17:34 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: but is it just to ensure that there is no CEO thats too influential and gets too much profit from the company or is there something about the direction HP is carried in? | Aug 09 17:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Thats the big question. Will HP go back now and embace MS Tablets? | Aug 09 17:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "the forgetting room" | Aug 09 17:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@Theatre_Sniper I think the costs are more like $2 billion in total. Insane. #g20 | Aug 09 17:40 | |
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| DaemonFC | Good morning to all | Aug 09 17:41 |
| *DaemonFC makes peace by passing out some Windows 7 Bacon burgers | Aug 09 17:42 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 17:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@lucidreamer83 In Crackdown on #Energy Use, #China to Shut 2,000 Factories - http://tiny.cc/tut95 // 2000 is nothing | Aug 09 17:42 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi DaemonFC | Aug 09 17:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: hi | Aug 09 17:43 |
| jono | hey DaemonFC, good to see you are ok :) | Aug 09 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | new unofficial Xchat build for Windows project | Aug 09 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/ | Aug 09 17:43 |
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| jono | DaemonFC, we were a little worried about you | Aug 09 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | worried about me? why? | Aug 09 17:43 |
| jono | DaemonFC, we saw you deleted your blog and things | Aug 09 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 09 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Aug 09 17:43 |
| jono | DaemonFC, dunno, we just wanted to make sure you are ok :) | Aug 09 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | I deleted my blog, my imageshack account, my Myspace (which last login was in 2008), my Facebook, my Twitter, my Yahoo | Aug 09 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | and probably a few more things | Aug 09 17:44 |
| jono | wow | Aug 09 17:44 |
| jono | mind if I ask why? | Aug 09 17:44 |
| jono | or just a cleansing | Aug 09 17:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | colonic | Aug 09 17:44 |
| jono | hehe | Aug 09 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | because I was pissed and I decided to more or less disappear myself | Aug 09 17:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1727195/microsoft-research-paper-reveals-menlo-project-details more vaporware? | Aug 09 17:45 |
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| jono | ahhh | Aug 09 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | my "associates" are/were fairly depressing to deal with | Aug 09 17:45 |
| jono | DaemonFC, it's a shame you deleted your justin.tv, I dug your vids | Aug 09 17:45 |
| jono | DaemonFC, ahhh | Aug 09 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | I wasn't even aware I had vids on there | Aug 09 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | apparently it automatically saves whatever you stream | Aug 09 17:45 |
| jono | ahhh | Aug 09 17:45 |
| jono | thats a bit screwed up | Aug 09 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | so it probably got several hours of my cussing at Ubuntu | Aug 09 17:46 |
| jono | hehe | Aug 09 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | and smacking my webcam | Aug 09 17:46 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: whoa, its like you're becoming the Unibomber of the interwebz :-o jk | Aug 09 17:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Discovery Channel Forcing Deadliest Catch Fan Site Offline; Claims Embedding Official Videos Infringes http://dlvr.it/3Zl9d | Aug 09 17:46 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Menlo is a prototype mobile device with a capacitive touch screen (4.1 inch diagonal, 800x480) running Microsoft Windows Embedded CE 6.0 R2 which incorporates a Bosch BMA150 3-axis accelerometer and Bosch BMP085 digital pressure sensor (barometer)." | Aug 09 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theindychannel.com/news/24561642/detail.html | Aug 09 17:47 |
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| DaemonFC | I saw this and thought of what schestowitz would say | Aug 09 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | about a home invader trying to murder this dude with a lead pipe | Aug 09 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | and the guy, badly injured, managed to shoot the attacker twice | Aug 09 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | and because of that, he ended up remaining alive | Aug 09 17:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | these tales do not sway us, our lives do not revolve around guns or fear | Aug 09 17:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | and won't | Aug 09 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | now, the pattern you usually see in these cases is it was someone the victim knew that had a chance to scope out the house | Aug 09 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | and the attacker was apparently a contractor that had done work for him | Aug 09 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 17:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you have got to stop with menacing remarks | Aug 09 17:49 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: well that fits basic criminology studies on murder | Aug 09 17:49 |
| schestowitz | You have been poisoning the channel | Aug 09 17:49 |
| schestowitz | And we almost reported you to the authorities | Aug 09 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | for what? | Aug 09 17:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "Having a plan can be considered fantasizing I guess" http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/irc-log-08082010.html#tAug%2008%2020:14:55 | Aug 09 17:49 |
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| jono | no one was going to report DaemonFC | Aug 09 17:49 |
| schestowitz | You think this is funny? It's not | Aug 09 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | and more importantly, why would they care? | Aug 09 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | go ahead, report that | Aug 09 17:49 |
| schestowitz | ANd I was worried about you sick mind all day | Aug 09 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'll do you a favor and log onto fbi.gov and copypaste it myself | Aug 09 17:50 |
| jono | let's calm down, the moral of this story is that there are a lot of people who care about you DaemonFC | Aug 09 17:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no more menacing remarks | Aug 09 17:50 |
| jono | let's put this recent fracas behind us | Aug 09 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | in fact, no more violent fantasies or gun cabinet wank fests | Aug 09 17:50 |
| schestowitz | And you have to be 100% polite | Aug 09 17:50 |
| schestowitz | We created a new IRC policy because of you | Aug 09 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | nobody is 100% polite | Aug 09 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Well, you will have to be | Aug 09 17:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | try anyway | Aug 09 17:51 |
| schestowitz | If you did something bad, people would go looking for evidence in this channel | Aug 09 17:51 |
| schestowitz | And then you tie up your personal life with me too | Aug 09 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | well, I did grab a few dozen empty 2 liter bottles and work out some aggression | Aug 09 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 09 17:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | how on earth do we people who don't own guns, ever manage | Aug 09 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Well, thanks for ruining my day anyway | Aug 09 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | but they went in the trash, which I suppose you could call a mass grave for dr pepper bottles | Aug 09 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | the FBI will get a full confession | Aug 09 17:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: depends if you put them in recycling or not. if you put them in landfill, isn't that a misdemeanor ? :) | Aug 09 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | I don't recycle | Aug 09 17:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | i guessed | Aug 09 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Updike got rid of the recycling program | Aug 09 17:53 |
| jono | let's move on, folks :-) | Aug 09 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | and fired 11 disabled people that used to do piece work sorting it | Aug 09 17:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: :( | Aug 09 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | We should replace him with the Grinch next time | Aug 09 17:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Consumer Mag Circ Still Falling, Just Not As Badly | paidContent http://cnt.to/m5C Me: You find good news where you can in publishing, | Aug 09 17:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | the Grinch only steals Christmas | Aug 09 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | Updike steals everything | Aug 09 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | The City Council failed to pass a resolution to ban that K2 stuff the other day | Aug 09 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | so Updike got the ordinance officer out to harass store owners that are (legally) selling it | Aug 09 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | kind of a "Get rid of it or we'll take a closer look for ordinances you MIGHT be violating" thing I guess | Aug 09 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | his family is like a miniature mafia in control of this entire county | Aug 09 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, That "shoot holes in everything" Sheriff's candidate was allowed to speak in front of the local "Democratic" party | Aug 09 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | if that shows you how much of an opposition party we have in these parts | Aug 09 17:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Gen. David Petraeus Launching Media Campaign To Defend Afghan War" -don't have to worry about TIME! They've already fallen right into line. | Aug 09 17:58 | |
| DaemonFC | that was one reason I got mad and deleted my Twitter, every other update was the going-on in this locality | Aug 09 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | makes my blood boil | Aug 09 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | can't even write to the paper about it because his family members control the newspapers in this county and every county adjacent to it | Aug 09 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | so nobody will agree to carry so much as a letter to the editor in opposition to the guy | Aug 09 18:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Microsoft+objects+Yahoo+Japan+Google+deal/3359498/story.html " | Aug 09 18:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Microsoft Corp. met Wednesday with Japan's Fair Trade Commission officials to object to the planned tie-up between Yahoo Japan and Google Inc., the Nikkei business daily reported. | Aug 09 18:00 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Microsoft+objects+Yahoo+Japan+Google+deal/3359498/story.html#ixzz0w8kqbQFB | Aug 09 18:00 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | so ms official protest has now happened | Aug 09 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, How do you suppose a local paper with a declining subscriber base afforded at least a couple dozen new Macs for their office? | Aug 09 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | and an entire overhaul of their central air conditioning unit? | Aug 09 18:01 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: is Yahoo Japan still connected with Yahoo! ? Or is it like the situation with PalmSource and PalmOne or Motorola and Motorola cellphone division? | Aug 09 18:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yahoo owns some stock in the fancise only, Another company ownes more than Yahoo | Aug 09 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | I strongly suspect that Updike and Friends are handing them some money under the table to keep them printing stories in support of him and his relatives | Aug 09 18:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'IPv6: The end of the Internet at we know it (and I feel fine) http://is.gd/eaeho | Aug 09 18:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | You don't overhaul the office and buy new Macs for everyone when your subscription base shrank 30% over the last two years | Aug 09 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | Something is fishy | Aug 09 18:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://huff.to/cibaj8 after the embarrassment of Bonnie Fuller, HuffPo runs a piece by Dr Jay Gordon supporting early breastfeeding. | Aug 09 18:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'supermodel-mom dispenses better advice than many doctors and most governmental agencies' http://huff.to/cibaj8 #breastfeeding | Aug 09 18:04 | |
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| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: its classic crooked municipal politics, what more can they control? If one doesn't like it simply move to another town or even change your mailing address. Unless you really want to do something about it. | Aug 09 18:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they got tired of the windows malware is all | Aug 09 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | then they start calling everyone in town, including those on the state and federal do not call lists, and cell phones (illegal period) | Aug 09 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | trying to hit them up for paper subscriptions | Aug 09 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | I told them no and to stop calling, then all of a sudden I have newspapers arriving here every day | Aug 09 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | and a bill for a subscription I didn't authorize | Aug 09 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Aug 09 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah, I called their office and told them to knock it off | Aug 09 18:05 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: next upcoming ellections you can run for town counsel and start a grassroots campaign against them or throw your support to the opposition | Aug 09 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | and they threatened to sue me for not paying for that month's subscription | Aug 09 18:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In the bigger cities, Craigslist has taken away almost all the classified revenue from printed newspapers. | Aug 09 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | well, considering the Democratic party is supporting the Teabagger for sheriff | Aug 09 18:06 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: its baseless, call the BBB | Aug 09 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | who is raising money by letting people fire fully automatic assault rifles... | Aug 09 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 09 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | Ziomatrix, You've seen Walking Tall right? | Aug 09 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | corrupt local political machine | Aug 09 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | town ran by a casino | Aug 09 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | sheriff's dept bought | Aug 09 18:08 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: no but I have seen Falling Down | Aug 09 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | That's what's going on here | Aug 09 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | There's some big polluters moving in | Aug 09 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | under the guise of a "recycling company" | Aug 09 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | They want to "recycle" our garbage into fuel | Aug 09 18:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its always the local richest businessmen to run small towns govs | Aug 09 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | and pump out noxious fumes to stink up the entire town with | Aug 09 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | and the mayor is letting them in screaming "Jobs, glorious jobs!!!!" | Aug 09 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | and the starting wage for these "glorious jobs" is like a whopping $8.50 an hour | Aug 09 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | and it involves wearing protective suit with respirator mask all day | Aug 09 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 18:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | :| | Aug 09 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I figure they'll get workers just because the only other choice is $7.50 an hour, part time at Walmart | Aug 09 18:11 |
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| DaemonFC | I've watched what Walmart has been up to ever since I resigned | Aug 09 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | their starting wage (base rate, not counting shift differential and pay grade levels) went from $8.75 an hour in 2006 to $7.50 an hour in 2010 | Aug 09 18:13 |
| jono | DaemonFC, dude, not surprised you resigned, Walmart is like a zoo | Aug 09 18:13 |
| jono | its crazy in that place | Aug 09 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | jono, Assistant Manager | Aug 09 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | third shift | Aug 09 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeehaw! | Aug 09 18:13 |
| jono | DaemonFC, you are a patient man :) | Aug 09 18:13 |
| jono | haha | Aug 09 18:13 |
| jono | yeehaw! | Aug 09 18:14 |
| jono | I think I have only ever gone there a few times and it was insane | Aug 09 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | jono, Basically unless you're willing to relocate to another state every 6 months, your raises are a joke | Aug 09 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | your pay cap is set real low | Aug 09 18:14 |
| jono | ugh | Aug 09 18:14 |
| jono | did you see the thing about costco? | Aug 09 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | and they shove you on odd shifts | Aug 09 18:14 |
| jono | they make most of their money from membershp | Aug 09 18:14 |
| jono | barely any on the products | Aug 09 18:14 |
| jono | hence why it is so cheap | Aug 09 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | jono, Sams Club is similar | Aug 09 18:14 |
| jono | costco is a winter wonderland, I love that place | Aug 09 18:15 |
| jono | never seen Sams Club | Aug 09 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Also, you have to buy in bulk or else you don't even get the minimal savings over consumables at the supermarket | Aug 09 18:15 |
| jono | yeah | Aug 09 18:15 |
| jono | I go in for a roast chicken and come out with 500 bog rolls :) | Aug 09 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | jono, I had a free Sams Club mebership when I was a manager at Walmart | Aug 09 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | same company | Aug 09 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | so I drove up to Fort Wayne one day to see what bargains I could snag | Aug 09 18:16 |
| jono | DaemonFC, ahh | Aug 09 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | and ended up leaving the store with nothing | Aug 09 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | because I didn't feel like buying groceries by the pallet | Aug 09 18:16 |
| jono | hah | Aug 09 18:16 |
| jono | yeah | Aug 09 18:16 |
| jono | right, better go and prepare for my call with the DPL | Aug 09 18:16 |
| jono | I am trying to schedule regular calls with the various project leaders | Aug 09 18:17 |
| jono | help the flow of info between the projects :) | Aug 09 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | jono: good hunting | Aug 09 18:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Afghan schools: Safe havens? | CBC http://bit.ly/aKL9Ai | Aug 09 18:17 | |
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| jono | the DPL is super cool | Aug 09 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | Sams Club is worth the membership price if you're running a huge office and go through toner and paper and stuff like that | Aug 09 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | like crazy | Aug 09 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise you'll never recover the membership price | Aug 09 18:17 |
| jono | yeah | Aug 09 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | They have a lot of HP (ewww) "business computers" there | Aug 09 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | for a few dollars off | Aug 09 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | I stakes out a test system once to see what I could get it for at Sams and direct from HP | Aug 09 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | and the laptop ended up being $10 off at Sams | Aug 09 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | *staked | Aug 09 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | and fully loaded with Windows Vista Business no less! | Aug 09 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | with SP1! | Aug 09 18:19 |
| *FurnaceBoy drools | Aug 09 18:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Windows Vista Business and the occasional exploding battery | Aug 09 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | enjoy your HP laptop | Aug 09 18:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Vista, uggghhhhh!!!!!!!! | Aug 09 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | I have a Windows Vista SP1 Home that came with this PC | Aug 09 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | but I never used it | Aug 09 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | the PC came with one of those "send off for Windows 7" deals | Aug 09 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | which I got the disc and sold on Craigslist | Aug 09 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | I have a Technet subscription, I don't really care about Windows 7 Home edition because I have access to anything Microsoft has | Aug 09 18:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have 6 orginal xp pro disks given to me, might try to sell them on ebay or criag | Aug 09 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | They still have Windows 2000 SP4 Update Rollup 1 ISOs | Aug 09 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | even though it's been out of support for a month now | Aug 09 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 09 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | and they weren't even servicing it for the last year anyway | Aug 09 18:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | these are orginial with no service packs | Aug 09 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Microsoft likes to hand out Windows licenses like Pogs | Aug 09 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | you notice that? | Aug 09 18:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not anymore, windows is useless mostly to me | Aug 09 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyone | Aug 09 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | face facts, dudes | Aug 09 18:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I only use windows to show people it works in virtualbox | Aug 09 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | I've turned my older PC into a Hackintosh for no good reason | Aug 09 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 09 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | which is good enough reason to do anything | Aug 09 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: interesting | Aug 09 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's pretty challenging, i thought | Aug 09 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | nah, the iAtkos installer disks are easy | Aug 09 18:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, just to look at Mac OS X. I really did not like it much. | Aug 09 18:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "openSUSE: Not For Sale Today" http://ur1.ca/11j7s I asked jono from Canonical if they could deny; they didn't | Aug 09 18:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's almost as easy as installing a Linux distro | Aug 09 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | and they can use official Apple system updates now | Aug 09 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | provided you have an Intel CPU | Aug 09 18:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is a given | Aug 09 18:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | updates will probably bork you tosh | Aug 09 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | well, not really | Aug 09 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | the AMD kernel is totally unofficial | Aug 09 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | you have to update from later OSX86 releases | Aug 09 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: oh you mean Intel.. i thought you meant x86 | Aug 09 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | not System Update | Aug 09 18:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | amd slow too? | Aug 09 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: to we ppc users, intel means x86 ;-) | Aug 09 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | if you use Intel CPUs, the System Update thing won't bust the system | Aug 09 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | I went from 10.6.3 to 10.6.4 from Apple Updates | Aug 09 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is exactly why there will never be a whitebox OS X | Aug 09 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | and my system still boots up | Aug 09 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | retail | Aug 09 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | APple doesn't want this ball of wax. | Aug 09 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | Well, AMD and Intel CPUs are close | Aug 09 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | but not identical | Aug 09 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 18:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but is tosh slow on amd? | Aug 09 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 09 18:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | thks | Aug 09 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's not slow, you just have to use the unofficial kernels | Aug 09 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | or else the system will not boot | Aug 09 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | my Intel PC has a Core 2 Duo | Aug 09 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, My understanding is that the unofficial AMD kernel is taken from the Darwin project | Aug 09 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | and patched up to run in the context of OS X | Aug 09 18:30 |
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| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: are you reffering to the Kalway OSx86 kernel? | Aug 09 18:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I understand it will run in Virtualbox too | Aug 09 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | iAtkos | Aug 09 18:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | with Linux as host | Aug 09 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | have not tried that | Aug 09 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, yes, I take that back | Aug 09 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | I did, years ago | Aug 09 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | in VMWare | Aug 09 18:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | see, there is always another project | Aug 09 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | it was funny cause About This Mac said "Authentic AMD Sempron 3100+" | Aug 09 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 09 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | it more or less worked | Aug 09 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | accelerated video, sound | Aug 09 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | AuthenticAMD is in the cpuid though | Aug 09 18:33 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: I always thought they just sourced the firmware and drivers from FreeBSD | Aug 09 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | but no ethernet driver for VMWare | Aug 09 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | wher's yuhong when you need him | Aug 09 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's the world expert on cpuid | Aug 09 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | so I couldn't get online with anything in OS X | Aug 09 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ziomatrix: no, Apple write their own drivers for their own hardware. | Aug 09 18:34 |
| Ziomatrix | FurnaceBoy: I meant for the OSx86 project | Aug 09 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they sign NDAs with outfits like Nvidia and ATI | Aug 09 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh | Aug 09 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | nm | Aug 09 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 09 18:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you must have hardware that apple supports for networking, or edit klest files | Aug 09 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | OS X has had ATI support for years | Aug 09 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | the BSDs never have | Aug 09 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yes | Aug 09 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: this is an area where being an OEM makes all the difference.. | Aug 09 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you get all the crown jewels | Aug 09 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 09 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | well, Dave Airlie ran into this problem | Aug 09 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | cause he had access to confidential ATI information about the ATI R500 | Aug 09 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | through an NDA a former employer had | Aug 09 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | i used to have one of those. | Aug 09 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | for linux | Aug 09 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | so he wrote a driver in his spare time which he never released | Aug 09 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | because ATI told him no | Aug 09 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Aug 09 18:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would only find Mac OS X useful as a tool to help a friend, by running inside of Virtualbox. Other than that, no real use for it. | Aug 09 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | from what AMD has said, his writing the driver was perfectly OK as long as he didn't share it with anyone that wasn't covered by the NDA | Aug 09 18:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | For tech support only | Aug 09 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | so he could use the driver on his system, his coworkers could use it, and his employer could | Aug 09 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | but it could never be released to the public :P | Aug 09 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Aug 09 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | yep | Aug 09 18:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have more use for a OS/2 Warp 4 vdi which I did start making. Or an eComstation vdi | Aug 09 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | now I have some R800 BS that only works with fglrx, while R500 was best with OSS radeon driver | Aug 09 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | so now the driver we have based on the ATI documentation is less functional than the one Airlie wrote while he was covered under the NDA | Aug 09 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | several years ago | Aug 09 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 09 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Aug 09 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | because AMD is not releasing all info, just whatever they feel like | Aug 09 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, as of two days ago, the R700 got bumped up a notch | Aug 09 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | from OpenGL 2.0 to 2.1 | Aug 09 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | in Mesa | Aug 09 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | so a lot of things (including Wine apps?) should start working now | Aug 09 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | because I believe DirectX 9 roughly maps to OpenGL 2.1 | Aug 09 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | provided that something in their GLSL isn't broken that is :) | Aug 09 18:40 |
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| DaemonFC | jono, That's something I've wondered about actually | Aug 09 18:41 |
| jono | what is, DaemonFC? | Aug 09 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | why can't Ubuntu be more aggressive regarding the version of Mesa they ship? | Aug 09 18:41 |
| jono | (on a call at the moment, btw) | Aug 09 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | 7.8 mostly works for basic 3d support on the R700 | Aug 09 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | but 7.7 barely worked at all | Aug 09 18:41 |
| jono | DaemonFC, I am not really sure how the decision is made | Aug 09 18:41 |
| jono | maybe mail ubuntu-desktop? | Aug 09 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Apparently old Catalyst drivers work better than the open source drivers on the R500 | Aug 09 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | we're talking Catalyst from late 2008 | Aug 09 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | at least for 3d support | Aug 09 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | if I had a chipset that old I may just park myself on CentOS or something | Aug 09 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | and slap old Catalyst drivers in | Aug 09 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | oh, I tried out Direct2d support on Firefox's 4.0 beta 3 test build | Aug 09 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | vs IE 9 Preview 4 | Aug 09 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | and it accelerates Microsoft's Canvas demos rougly 5% faster | Aug 09 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | than IE 9 Preview 4 | Aug 09 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | so at least on Windows, IE 9 has already lost unless there's just a lot more optimizing yet to be done | Aug 09 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Opera beats it by an even wider margin | Aug 09 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | and near as I can tell, no version of Chrome supports Direct2d to any extent | Aug 09 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 09 18:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nah, radeon was the sh1t for R500 | Aug 09 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i tried a pile of stuff. | Aug 09 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but that card overheated thx to cheap chinese fan | Aug 09 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm on R800 now, which is fglrx only | Aug 09 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I ruined a OEM Geforce 6200LE | Aug 09 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | by overclocking the shit out of it | Aug 09 18:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Aug 09 18:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | i just wanted to keep it alive | Aug 09 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | to try to get it to run Aero at a tolerable pace | Aug 09 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | the fan MELTED | Aug 09 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 09 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | not a big loss | Aug 09 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | I replaced it with a real card like I had planned to anyway | Aug 09 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of OEMs just shove SOMETHING in there | Aug 09 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | to make basic 3d acceleration work | Aug 09 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | usually means you get a $20 OEM piece of crap | Aug 09 18:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Access Copyright Wants $45 From Every University Student For Copying & Even Linking To Copyright Works http://dlvr.it/3ZrMc | Aug 09 18:51 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Access Copyright Wants $45 From Every University Student For Copying & Even Linking To Copyright Works | Techdirt .::. Size~: 27.03 KB | Aug 09 18:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Quick note: a new X transition is happening in Maverick - http://is.gd/eahnU be cautious before you upgrade #ubuntu | Aug 09 18:53 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If Access was a smart Linux company, they would have gpl'ed the BeOS, or at least all of it but the browser, which is about the only part they actually used. That way they could have got others to write for it. | Aug 09 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | NetPositive? | Aug 09 18:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 09 18:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the basis of Access funky cellphone browser | Aug 09 18:55 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: They have and never would do that, they prefer that since they couldn't extort exorbitant licensing fees from Palm they use it for patent fodder instead. | Aug 09 18:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Some awesome new theme updates going on - http://is.gd/eahBg #ubuntu | Aug 09 18:57 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: An Update to the Ubuntu Light Themes « Canonical Design .::. Size~: 34.39 KB | Aug 09 18:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they are a commercial company mascarading as a open source company | Aug 09 18:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and I don't think they are able to get those fees anyway | Aug 09 18:58 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: whoever said they macerated? If they did they have done a horrible job | Aug 09 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, My browser says it uses Webkit | Aug 09 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | does Access have another browser? | Aug 09 18:59 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I just see them as a result of VCs thinking that if they split Palm the OS licensing would have become more lucrative. So whats now left is a business with a bunch of IPs but no solid assets | Aug 09 18:59 |
| Ziomatrix | funny we went from a copyright body to a software shell company | Aug 09 19:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @gkeizer: Apple begins taking orders for Mac Pros. Top-end system with all the extras runs over $17K. http://bit.ly/9bOHga | Aug 09 19:03 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Apple takes orders for pricey Mac Pros - Computerworld .::. Size~: 81.87 KB | Aug 09 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I have the 32" HDTV | Aug 09 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's not exactly an Apple Cinema Display | Aug 09 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | but it works B-) | Aug 09 19:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ziomatrix> Chips_B_Malroy: whoever said they macerated? If they did they have done a horrible job" an interesting choice of words, but chew on this: that is the only thing Access ended up with from buying PalmSource, just the browser, they already had their limo linux version. | Aug 09 19:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: :) | Aug 09 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | I might have used it on this system but 1. It's AMD and it would create a maintainence nightmare | Aug 09 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | and 2. I'm already using hacks that might piss off Apple Update on my Intel system :P | Aug 09 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | I've been far happier with AMD hardware than Intel hardware | Aug 09 19:08 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: they also hold the IP for most of Garnet OS, Graffiti and BeOS, which doesn't mean much now with Haiku heading into beta | Aug 09 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | Intel tends to have less than reliable motherboard designs | Aug 09 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | some of that is their partners fault | Aug 09 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | but a lot of it is theirs | Aug 09 19:08 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: funny, that is what people use to accuse AMD third party vendors of having | Aug 09 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, AMD processors are still outperforming Intel in X86-64 Long Mode | Aug 09 19:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] It doesn't happen often that a news announcement blows apart a story I'd just finished writing, but Google/Verizon just did it. Oh well. | Aug 09 19:09 | |
| DaemonFC | so there's that too :) | Aug 09 19:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Using #WordPress for Enterprise Content Management http://ow.ly/2n1yM #ECM | Aug 09 19:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Verizon is guilty of sexist TV ads now too | Aug 09 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Using WordPress for Enterprise Content Management « IT Expert Voice .::. Size~: 49.37 KB | Aug 09 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | well, maybe not sexist | Aug 09 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | but gender exploitative | Aug 09 19:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates Chastised by Increasing Number of Newspapers and Dedicated Web Sites for Taking Over US Education http://ur1.ca/11jsz #education | Aug 09 19:13 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bill Gates Chastised by Increasing Number of Newspapers and Dedicated Web Sites for Taking Over US Education | Techrights .::. Size~: 107.11 KB | Aug 09 19:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: NIVAH! | Aug 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like using the women's liberation movement in a "buy our crap" commercial | Aug 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | that's all class | Aug 09 19:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "People said I should accept the world. Bullshit! I don't accept the world." -Richard Stallman [HT @laurelrusswurm ] | Aug 09 19:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz http://www.scribd.com/doc/35599242/Verizon-Google-Legislative-Framework-Proposal | Aug 09 19:14 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> I know where that picture of sweaty B came from, hehe | Aug 09 19:14 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | young frankensteve? | Aug 09 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, whenever you don't accept the world, the world throws more poo at you than usual | Aug 09 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | just an observation | Aug 09 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | "just smile and nod your head" | Aug 09 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | you know you're getting screwed | Aug 09 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | but don't draw attention to yourself | Aug 09 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | wise | Aug 09 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | "pick your battles" | Aug 09 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 09 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Like when someone called the IEC and informed them that Updike was running the Republican HQ out of the mayor's office | Aug 09 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | and stuck them with a fine and having to disassemble everything in the middle of an election cycle and reassemble it in his family room | Aug 09 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 09 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Only fight battles you know you can win, and pick up their supplies to use against them next time. ;) | Aug 09 19:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Verizon-Google Legislative Framework Proposal - http://scr.bi/cESS8c hmm, plenty of wiggle-room there, it seems to me #netneutrality #google | Aug 09 19:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | then there's taking advantage of an opportunistic distraction | Aug 09 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | do whatever you're going to do while the enemy is off dealing with another problem | Aug 09 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, A sense of invulnerability is the worst thing to have | Aug 09 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | it reduces your ability to cope with what's happening when you find yourself under attack | Aug 09 19:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | you bet. that's when the 16-t anvil drops | Aug 09 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | instead of reacting to a problem you waste valuable time freaking out and thinking "This isn't happening!" | Aug 09 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | that's usually how superior forces become overwhelmed | Aug 09 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, You know all about the legendary First United States Army Group | Aug 09 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Aug 09 19:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How did Weather Data Get Opened? - http://bit.ly/c1Uh0n interesting history of US experience #opendata #weather | Aug 09 19:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_United_States_Army_Group | Aug 09 19:24 |
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| DaemonFC | I find that the worst thing to do when you're in a jam is to hint at how bad they have you pinned down | Aug 09 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like instilling confidence in your enemies | Aug 09 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | that may be all it takes to motive them into finishing you off | Aug 09 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | *motivate | Aug 09 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | bluff until you're in an actual position to fight back and hope they're buying it | Aug 09 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the flip side of the coin | Aug 09 19:29 |
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| yuhong | http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/07/why-we-need-to-abolish-software-patents/ | Aug 09 19:29 |
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| DaemonFC | you're really in a strong position and you pretend to be weak to lure them right where you want them | Aug 09 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | there's a type of sea snake that does that | Aug 09 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | pretends to be wounded, limps around | Aug 09 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | even lets fish take small bites of it | Aug 09 19:30 |
| yuhong | Personally, there is no reason math, or for that matter anything, should be patentable just because it is executed on a computer. | Aug 09 19:30 |
| yuhong | DaemonFC: Funny. | Aug 09 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | then when they move in assuming an easy meal, the snake lashes out, bites them, injects the poison | Aug 09 19:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: wb | Aug 09 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | and the fish's gills are paralyzed | Aug 09 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | and the snake is having fish for dinner | Aug 09 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 09 19:31 |
| yuhong | What is wb? | Aug 09 19:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | welcome back | Aug 09 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | the outfit that owns Looney Tunes and Babylon 5 | Aug 09 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | of course | Aug 09 19:32 |
| *FurnaceBoy afks | Aug 09 19:32 | |
| yuhong | Discussing software patents now. | Aug 09 19:32 |
| *DaemonFC performs the heimlich maneuver | Aug 09 19:32 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 09 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe the heimlich counter maneuver | Aug 09 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | the method that ensures the victim chokes | Aug 09 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 09 19:33 |
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| yuhong | Yep, the movement to abolish software patents gets on TechCrunch. | Aug 09 19:33 |
| yuhong | Personally, there is no reason math, or for that matter anything, should be patentable just because it is executed on a computer. | Aug 09 19:34 |
| yuhong | If there is other reasons why it is patentable, fine. | Aug 09 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | does anyone else find it comical that you still have to use a version of Aspell from 2002 to make GTK+ apps enable spell checking on Windows? | Aug 09 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 09 19:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A Day In The Life Of Legalized Extortion: How The BMI Shakedown Works - http://bit.ly/bU8dEe nice bit of sunlight #bmi #copyright | Aug 09 19:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Conservative MP tried to remove email address from websites - http://bit.ly/aX7EEW trouble is "lobbyists", aka consitutuents, contacting him | Aug 09 19:47 | |
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| sebsebseb3 | Hi | Aug 09 19:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] It's Back: Totally Unnecessary And Damaging Fashion Copyright Bill Reintroduced http://dlvr.it/3ZyLW | Aug 09 19:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The golden age of open source? - http://bit.ly/dCdALL "return to a focus on collaboration and community" #opensource #communities | Aug 09 20:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Lobbyists celebrate departure of White House ethics chief - http://bit.ly/atBkrh which means it's bad news #lobbying #us | Aug 09 20:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] I mean, if #apple leaks a device it at least looks nice. MSFT, please add more design to avoid more #fail. http://is.gd/eam9k | Aug 09 20:10 | |
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| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Aug 09 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | I can't speak for the gentlemen | Aug 09 20:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] If there is a price for bad design, MSFT is a top favourite. Geez. That compass really is too much. Cant. Stop. LOLling http://is.gd/eam9k | Aug 09 20:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | but the total bastard is fine | Aug 09 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | thanks for asking | Aug 09 20:13 |
| MinceR | well, that's something | Aug 09 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | "You've turned your cell phone on, so we'll kick you off of messenger here!" | Aug 09 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 09 20:17 |
| MinceR | can't log in from multiple hosts at once? | Aug 09 20:20 |
| MinceR | better upgrade to Jabber | Aug 09 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 09 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | every piece of hardware you want to use on Windows apparently likes to include 50-60 MB of crapware that likes to start itself every time you boot up | Aug 09 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't watch out, you can end up with 100 MB of RAM used up just by Catalyst Control Center and Logitech webcam software | Aug 09 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | there are operating systems that don't take up as much RAM as Logitech's webcam center | Aug 09 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I really do think that Mozilla should just bump Linux to P2 | Aug 09 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | not actually make it worse, just acknowledge that it's already a Windows app that happens to run on Linux | Aug 09 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | If they want to call it P1, they need to stop molesting GTK+ and create a proper GUI for it out of something | Aug 09 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | The Mac version is (in reality) more like a P3 | Aug 09 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | having had the chance to use Firefox on all "P1" systems, I can say that it's only really getting the love on the Windows build | Aug 09 20:27 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/07/30/will-yahoo-china-find-a-search-suitor/ "After Yahoo Japan?s search deal this week with Google, the fate of Yahoo China is more unclear than ever. That?s because Yahoo China, like Yahoo Japan, is not controlled by U.S.-based Yahoo Inc. and therefore could seek its own suitor to power its search service." | Aug 09 20:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @bkuhn @webmink @fontana, do you think we should propose a #neckbeard #BoF session for #LinuxCon this week? I shaved mine yesterday, ... | Aug 09 20:29 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Alibaba Group, the Chinese e-commerce company that took control of Yahoo China as part of a 2005 deal with Yahoo, declined to comment on Yahoo China?s situation." | Aug 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | [18:58] <Ziomatrix> Chips_B_Malroy: whoever said they macerated? If they did they have done a horrible job | Aug 09 20:30 |
| schestowitz | [ACCESS] they paid GNOME | Aug 09 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | My uncle actually uses Yahoo I noticed | Aug 09 20:30 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i know, you want firefox gone | Aug 09 20:30 |
| schestowitz | And their trolling staff is choosing blog names like goopensource | Aug 09 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | but mostly just the crosswords and such | Aug 09 20:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | some more on MS bing in china | Aug 09 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Where RMS and others are attacjed | Aug 09 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, No, I use Firefox on Windows | Aug 09 20:30 |
| schestowitz | *attacked | Aug 09 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | I mean primarily | Aug 09 20:31 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what happened to chrome? | Aug 09 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | but on linux I find myself mainly using Opera | Aug 09 20:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://business.globaltimes.cn/industries/2010-08/559713.html "ChinaVision Media Group Ltd, a Hong Kong-listed media firm, will purchase 50 percent stake in MSN China from Shanghai Alliance Investment for about $100 million, a source from the latter confirmed Tuesday." | Aug 09 20:31 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Chrome has no Direct2D support | Aug 09 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox does | Aug 09 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | also, a few of the extensions I ended up needing malfunction badly in Chrome | Aug 09 20:32 |
| MinceR | so what? | Aug 09 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So is this a sign that Bing is a failure in China, or that its another cut, by 50% of another MS project. | Aug 09 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | Skipscreen wasn't ported over so well | Aug 09 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "ChinaVision said Sunday it aims to buy 50 percent stakes of "a company that is principally engaged in Internet-related businesses" in a filing to the Hong Kong stock exchange. It had not disclosed the name of the acquisition target, but media reported it would be MSN." | Aug 09 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | on Linux, I tend to keep a Firefox window open to paste Rapidshare-ish URLs into | Aug 09 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | just because I hate the crap they do to free users | Aug 09 20:33 |
| MinceR | are you a paid user in firefox? :> | Aug 09 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | no, Skipscreen works in Firefox though | Aug 09 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | it zips through to the download page, waits for the timer to countdown, and starts the download for you | Aug 09 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | those sites tried to break Skipscreen a number of times | Aug 09 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | then just gave up | Aug 09 20:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 09 20:36 |
| MinceR | thx for the pointer | Aug 09 20:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Use Ubuntu Server? Go and add yourself to the map as we build to the 10.04.1 release! http://maps.ubuntu.com/ #ubuntu #locoteams | Aug 09 20:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ubuntu has daily builds of 10.04 that have all the updates applied so far | Aug 09 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why they act like there's some special 10.04.1 release countdown | Aug 09 20:38 |
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| MinceR | they want hype | Aug 09 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | my internet is bad today | Aug 09 20:38 |
| MinceR | they no longer seem to care about doing the right thing | Aug 09 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | this post is a bit old from march: http://business.globaltimes.cn/industries/2010-03/514295.html | Aug 09 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Global Times - MSN China's VP Chen resigns .::. Size~: 14.05 KB | Aug 09 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Microsoft has Windows 7 Bacon burgers now | Aug 09 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | resigns | Aug 09 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | thanks to jono | Aug 09 20:39 |
| MinceR | i know | Aug 09 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "MSN China's sales vice president Chen Xiao will leave at the end of March to pursue his own start-up, the US software giant Microsoft announced Thursday. The executive's departure comes as major technology firms await Google's decision on whether or not to quit the China market, the world's largest Internet market with 384 million users at the end of 2009." | Aug 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yeah, I saw that MSN thing | Aug 09 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | I have some bacon burgers in the freezer | Aug 09 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | I should make a 7 layer bacon burger | Aug 09 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | in honor of jono | Aug 09 20:40 |
| jono | DaemonFC, lol, I doubt they will make a Microsoft Bacon Burger | Aug 09 20:40 |
| jono | although, that would be a weird kind of honor I guess | Aug 09 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> just some bing/msn links, and there is a lot about ms online losing a lot of money now | Aug 09 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/windows-7-whopper_2.jpg | Aug 09 20:41 |
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| DaemonFC | jono, I'm gonna edit your head pic into that | Aug 09 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | and put in "Now with Bacon!" | Aug 09 20:41 |
| jono | lol | Aug 09 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: http://techrights.org/2010/03/21/great-microsoft-exodus/ | Aug 09 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Vice President Quits in China, Others Do Too | Techrights .::. Size~: 102.63 KB | Aug 09 20:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The first link about Yahoo China was the most interesting. After Yahoo Japan going with Google. Bing China and Yahoo are lots smaller and not as important as Yahoo Japan. | Aug 09 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | that sounds about as healthy as walking off a cliff | Aug 09 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | but possibly worth the risk | Aug 09 20:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ah, I see you already done that one | Aug 09 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Bing Shing | Aug 09 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Bing means something other in Chinese | Aug 09 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | a burger with 4,000 calories and enough cholesterol to kill anything that's ever lived | Aug 09 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I think "disease" | Aug 09 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall now | Aug 09 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | seems like a goos mascot for Windows | Aug 09 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | *good | Aug 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to come up with short names that don't mean something bad in one language | Aug 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | "Vista" means woman who sleeps around in Maltese, IIRC | Aug 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | "Zune" means a shag in Hebrew | Aug 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | KIN means all sorts of things | Aug 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Short names | Aug 09 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 09 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | I actually got one of those BING fortune cookies | Aug 09 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | where the "Learn Chinese" part said BING - Disease | Aug 09 20:45 |
| MinceR | i think i can come up with short names that don't mean anything in any language | Aug 09 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Porn Search | Aug 09 20:46 |
| MinceR | ÿqxäφ, for example | Aug 09 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | remember how their video search was letting people bypass porn filters? | Aug 09 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | by playing the porn right in the search page | Aug 09 20:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Yahoo? | Aug 09 20:47 |
| MinceR | no | Aug 09 20:47 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 09 20:47 |
| MinceR | i'd rename Yahoo! to NotMicro$oftAtAll! | Aug 09 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Yakoo Yukka? | Aug 09 20:47 |
| MinceR | http://www.brandinfection.com/2009/05/29/bing-means-disease-in-chinese/ | Aug 09 20:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bing Means Disease In Chinese | BRAND INFECTION .::. Size~: 66.39 KB | Aug 09 20:47 |
| MinceR | or "I Can't Believe It's Not Bing!" | Aug 09 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | Why did they put an ISO file in a ZIP file? | Aug 09 20:48 |
| *DaemonFC takes a nap while the thing unpacks | Aug 09 20:48 | |
| MinceR | i think we should call bing-o "bìng" from now on | Aug 09 20:48 |
| MinceR | (so that the correct tone is shown) | Aug 09 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Steve-O? | Aug 09 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I have a friend caled Steve Ho | Aug 09 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I call him SteveO | Aug 09 20:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bing Means Disease In Chinese http://ur1.ca/11kyl I could guess that too and I don't speak Chinese | Aug 09 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | He's From HK | Aug 09 20:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bing Means Disease In Chinese | BRAND INFECTION .::. Size~: 66.39 KB | Aug 09 20:49 |
| MinceR | though wiktionary doesn't think it's so | Aug 09 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | The People's Democratic Federal Republic of MinceRstan recommends Windows XP and Bing | Aug 09 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | and by recommends, they mean unless you want to be disappeared in the middle of the night | Aug 09 20:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Microsoft?s online business, which has been bedeviled by losses for year, had red ink of $696 million compared with $585 million in the same period last year. Revenue was up modestly from $501 million to $565 million. The recovery of search revenue and display advertising was disappointing. The MSN property?s CPMs could have been hurt by a flood of low-priced display inventory from Facebook. | Aug 09 20:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Read more: Microsoft Delivers A Big Quarter, But Online Operations Lose $696 Million - 24/7 Wall St. http://247wallst.com/2010/07/22/microsoft-delivers-a-big-quarter-but-online-operations-lose-696-million/#ixzz0w9RXzSSG | Aug 09 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Delivers A Big Quarter, But Online Operations Lose $696 Million - 24/7 Wall St. .::. Size~: 56.43 KB | Aug 09 20:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | " | Aug 09 20:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Microsoft?s online business, which has been bedeviled by losses for year, had red ink of $696 million compared with $585 million in the same period last year. Revenue was up modestly from $501 million to $565 million. The recovery of search revenue and display advertising was disappointing. The MSN property?s CPMs could have been hurt by a flood of low-priced display inventory from Facebook. | Aug 09 20:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Read more: Microsoft Delivers A Big Quarter, But Online Operations Lose $696 Million - 24/7 Wall St. http://247wallst.com/2010/07/22/microsoft-delivers-a-big-quarter-but-online-operations-lose-696-million/#ixzz0w9RXzSSG | Aug 09 20:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Delivers A Big Quarter, But Online Operations Lose $696 Million - 24/7 Wall St. .::. Size~: 56.44 KB | Aug 09 20:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what is that about a 2 billion plus loss per year on online? | Aug 09 20:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry for the double pasting | Aug 09 20:53 |
| MinceR | oh, it's there in wiktionary | Aug 09 20:53 |
| MinceR | i just failed my Spot check | Aug 09 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | The PFDRM recommends Encarta for Hungary | Aug 09 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 09 20:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the interesting thing about Yahoo China, is it shows more facturing of the Yahoo/MS deal is possible. | Aug 09 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | Encarta had an article about Linux | Aug 09 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | which was surprisingly neutral | Aug 09 20:56 |
| MinceR | no wonder they killed encarta :> | Aug 09 20:57 |
| MinceR | wtf is the PFDRM? | Aug 09 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | People's Federal Democratic Republic of MinceR | Aug 09 20:58 |
| MinceR | there's no such thing | Aug 09 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | *MinceRstan | Aug 09 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | sure there is | Aug 09 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Declare one | Aug 09 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | could be fun | Aug 09 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | tell the people about how they'll all be equal | Aug 09 20:59 |
| MinceR | i don't want to declare one | Aug 09 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | and everyone will get a pony | Aug 09 20:59 |
| MinceR | people will be equal once they're six feet under | Aug 09 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | 1.8288 meters under | Aug 09 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 09 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/List_of_unusual_units_of_measurement#Grave | Aug 09 21:02 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: List of unusual units of measurement .::. Size~: 99.46 KB | Aug 09 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | a grave is a measurement of mass? | Aug 09 21:03 |
| *DaemonFC facepalms | Aug 09 21:03 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/microsoft-china-is-vital-for-bing-660519 | Aug 09 21:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft: China is vital for Bing | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 62.27 KB | Aug 09 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/death_of_Encarta.html | Aug 09 21:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Death Of Encarta .::. Size~: 5.86 KB | Aug 09 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Aug 09 21:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 'No pages found for Dalai Lama' | Aug 09 21:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bing | Aug 09 21:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | " | Aug 09 21:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Microsoft believes that the Chinese search market could hold the key in its battle to get Bing a significant global share. | Aug 09 21:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Read more: http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/microsoft-china-is-vital-for-bing-660519#ixzz0w9Vqs5Hv | Aug 09 21:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Funny That The AP Didn't Report On A Judge Denying Sanctions Against Shepard Fairey http://dlvr.it/3b4NS | Aug 09 21:07 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft: China is vital for Bing | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 62.27 KB | Aug 09 21:07 |
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| sebsebseb3 | jono: Hi | Aug 09 21:08 |
| sebsebseb3 | jono: Did you read humphrys recent post? | Aug 09 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/microsoft-encarta-dies-after-long-battle-with-wikipedia/ | Aug 09 21:10 |
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| DaemonFC | "In January, Wikipedia got 97 percent of the visits that Web surfers in the United States made to online encyclopedias, according to the Internet ratings service Hitwise. Encarta was second, with 1.27 percent." | Aug 09 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | January 2009 that is | Aug 09 21:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | Facebook is refusing to let me use my account properly whilst I am here! | Aug 09 21:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | :) in a way | Aug 09 21:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | since Facebook sucks | Aug 09 21:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Google-Verizon proposal opens door to the death of net neutrality by @pgralla http://bit.ly/bR5L4w | Aug 09 21:11 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45265845#notice-45600945 "It’s about Monsanto in Africa (including Ghana specifically)." | Aug 09 21:11 |
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| MinceR | xahlee sounds like a m$ fanboy | Aug 09 21:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | ,but I wanted to use a little bit more, since yeah | Aug 09 21:11 |
| schestowitz | " well, in Chinese "bing" MEANS disease, whereas on the 'net Bing IS a disease. Subtle diffference." | Aug 09 21:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | and its not letting me log in properly since.... well does anyone even care here? | Aug 09 21:11 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: no difference... bìng is a disease that infected the Internet. | Aug 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Semantics | Aug 09 21:12 |
| MinceR | it's correctly named, except they forgot the diacritic | Aug 09 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bing is like a virus, it could spread like other MS software, if they just spend enough money on it. Or maybe NOT. | Aug 09 21:13 |
| MinceR | they already tried paying people to use bìng and it failed | Aug 09 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.brandinfection.com/2009/05/29/bing-means-disease-in-chinese/ | Aug 09 21:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] "nothing similar to this on the territory of Russia during the last 1000 years in regard to the heat” - http://bit.ly/ciNjXB yikes #russia | Aug 09 21:14 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | disease, just like Roy said | Aug 09 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | from Preston Gralla ms fanboy: http://blogs.computerworld.com/15828/microsoft_bets_big_on_china_and_loses | Aug 09 21:15 |
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| DaemonFC | 99 degrees? | Aug 09 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | is that all? | Aug 09 21:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Several days ago, at Congressional hearings, Microsoft was hammered because of its cooperation with China. In fact, intense anger at Microsoft is about the only bipartisanship you can find in Washington these days. Rep. Chris Smith, a Republican from New Jersey, said of Microsoft, "They need to get on the right side of human rights rather than enabling tyranny, which they're doing right now." " | Aug 09 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | I've had to work in areas that were over 110 degrees | Aug 09 21:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lots of water and salt tablets | Aug 09 21:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] 9 o clock and 35'C ... humidity like in Jamaica or similar but without a wonderfull beach, rum or other stuff... too fscking hot! | Aug 09 21:23 | |
| MinceR | well, Jesuslanders too need to get on the right side of human rights | Aug 09 21:23 |
| MinceR | especially republicans | Aug 09 21:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/boycott-microsoft-bing/ "For the latest craven kowtowing, we can look somewhere else: Microsoft and its new search engine, Bing." | Aug 09 21:24 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Western corporations have often behaved embarrassingly in China, sacrificing any principles to ingratiate themselves with the Communist Party authorities. Yahoo was the worst, handing over information about several email account holders so that they could be arrested ? and then dissembling and defending its monstrous conduct. Now Microsoft is sacrificing the integrity of Bing searches so as to cozy up to State Security | Aug 09 21:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in Beijing. In effect, it has chosen become part of the Communist Party?s propaganda apparatus." | Aug 09 21:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Title: Boycott Microsoft Bing | Aug 09 21:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates Sells Drugs in Less Developed Nations (for Profit) http://ur1.ca/11lem #gsk #patents #gmo #monsanto | Aug 09 21:26 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | MS cannot stand against the moral agrument, as they have no ethics. | Aug 09 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS only has greed. | Aug 09 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So what is the deal with Gates trying to get all these rich billonaries to donate half their money back? Is he trying to get them to put their money in the gates foundation, so he Gates and his decendants can control the money? | Aug 09 21:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Or is it just more PR to make himself look kind. | Aug 09 21:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Having all this money in just one foundation at the control of just one person, is not desirable. | Aug 09 21:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “The Gates Foundation Has Bought TED (Technology Entertainment and Design)” (Conference) http://ur1.ca/11lpg | Aug 09 21:55 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | oh gawd | Aug 09 21:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: i think we can analyse this... imagine you are a couch potato.. what is the impression you get | Aug 09 21:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | ***MONEY!!!!!!!!* generosity ***BUT HE'S RIIIIICH!!!!!!!!****** wow, he's a better man than i *****HOLY SHIT IMAGINE THAT MUCH MONEY***** | Aug 09 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | remember that most ppl don't give money to panhandlers | Aug 09 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | the concept of a billionaire philanthropist and his motives is WAY outside their grasp | Aug 09 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | they assume "supersize altruism" | Aug 09 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is, of course, what the PR blitz is supposed to assure | Aug 09 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | remember when Gates originally quit MS and established Foundation, if you said it was reputation laundering the mainstream view had no way to grasp that. Still doesn't, really. | Aug 09 22:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | and now we know it's much worse than reputation laundering | Aug 09 22:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's an actively destructive agenda | Aug 09 22:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Gates is trying to market himself as a Silicon Age Christ | Aug 09 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | <irony left to the reader> | Aug 09 22:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @wrash: Google and Verizon make their long anticipated announcement on net neutrality. No business deal. See http://tinyurl.com/28jdnh8 | Aug 09 22:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Just made my first IR camera. now its time to code. | Aug 09 22:05 | |
| sebsebseb3 | schestowitz: You said their was a troll on omgubuntu, who? | Aug 09 22:07 |
| sebsebseb3 | schestowitz: HumprhyBC? | Aug 09 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 09 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb3: Oh, the guy who wrote the stupid article? | Aug 09 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's clearly retarded in some way | Aug 09 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | a B Humphrey wrote that ridiculous neckbeard pox | Aug 09 22:08 |
| sebsebseb3 | FurnaceBoy: he's 19 | Aug 09 22:09 |
| sebsebseb3 | and only used Ubuntu for about a year | Aug 09 22:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb3: reads that way. The word I'd use is 'sophomoric' | Aug 09 22:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | he started the Ubuntu Manual Project and he sometimes writes on OmgUbuntu | Aug 09 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | he needs to grow up a bit. | Aug 09 22:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | and hes more recently also a Ubuntu Community Member | Aug 09 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | get some perspective | Aug 09 22:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | anyway AlenBells replys here and such are good to it | Aug 09 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | somebody should sit down with him and explain the WTFs in that article | Aug 09 22:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/dude-youre-a-35-year-old-with-a-neck-beard/ | Aug 09 22:11 |
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| sebsebseb3 | http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/dude-youre-a-35-year-old-with-a-neck-beard/ | Aug 09 22:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] If Win7 was everyones idea, and MS sell it, isn't that just an admition that they sell other peoples stuff as their own? | Aug 09 22:11 | |
| sebsebseb3 | well he was trying to make a joke about a sterotype or whatever | Aug 09 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: No! it's called INNOVATION! | Aug 09 22:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | ,but yeah just ended up offending a load of people | Aug 09 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb3: the article was very foolish, but i guess it's what 19 yos do | Aug 09 22:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | I remember being in his manual channel, before it got logged and such, how he would swear in there and such | Aug 09 22:12 |
| sebsebseb3 | FurnaceBoy: I have had some IRC contact with him in the past | Aug 09 22:12 |
| sebsebseb3 | he's ok | Aug 09 22:13 |
| sebsebseb3 | ,but when I read omgubuntu.co.uk wow what a fan boy site! | Aug 09 22:13 |
| sebsebseb3 | and fan girl even | Aug 09 22:13 |
| sebsebseb3 | FurnaceBoy: and yeah maybe jono or someone like that, should help him out a bit, so he doesn't offend a load of people in the Linux community | Aug 09 22:13 |
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| FurnaceBoy | or at a min, look like an idiot | Aug 09 22:14 |
| sebsebseb3 | after all jono is the Ubuntu `Community Manager | Aug 09 22:14 |
| sebsebseb3 | FurnaceBoy: not sure why he was going on about meat in there, but something about how dood/joey the guy who runs the fan boy and girl site, is a vegaterien more recetly as well | Aug 09 22:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: RT @angrytownhall: RUMOR: Fire trucks are ACORN mobile mosques driven by census-workers that teach your kids to... http://ff.im/oZg9n | Aug 09 22:16 | |
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| sebsebseb3 | FurnaceBoy: anway opensource/freesofttware be that from just users, and also developers of course, its a load of opinions, but thing is not everyone agrees with them all, that is part of it | Aug 09 22:17 |
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| FurnaceBoy | I don't want to have to read it again and respond line by line, i think you're right, he's opinionated, i.e. trolly | Aug 09 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | so rebuttals probably won't have any effect | Aug 09 22:19 |
| sebsebseb3 | rebutalls? meaning? | Aug 09 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | but, why do i care about his blog anyway :) | Aug 09 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | re·but·tal noun: 1. a statement or contention, as in a debate or legal case, that is intended to disprove or │ | Aug 09 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | | confute another. | Aug 09 22:20 |
| *sebsebseb3 has been seen as a bit of a troll by people on IRC before, in fact not that long ago, even by jcastro it seems | Aug 09 22:20 | |
| sebsebseb3 | since some of the stuff I had said in the omgubuntu IRC channel, ah well | Aug 09 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | as opinionated as a shopping trolly? wow, the only strongly held opinion I've seen any shopping trolly hold is that it doesn't want to go in the direction you do at the same time | Aug 09 22:21 |
| sebsebseb3 | and there are people who think this channel, is a troll pit, or whatever, which it isn't :) | Aug 09 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: actually a troll is a lot like a troll(e)y with a broken wheel, ya | Aug 09 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb3: who would we troll?! | Aug 09 22:22 |
| sebsebseb3 | FurnaceBoy: Novell? OpenSuse? | Aug 09 22:22 |
| sebsebseb3 | Mono? | Aug 09 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Aug 09 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're not in here. | Aug 09 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | FurnaceBoy> Gates is trying to market himself as a Silicon Age Christ" But who said: "People always fear change. People feared electricity when it was invented, didn't they? People feared coal, they feared gas-powered engines... There will always be ignorance, and ignorance leads to fear. But with time, people will come to accept their silicon masters." | Aug 09 22:22 |
| sebsebseb3 | oh I forgot Moonlight, well that project is quite useless, luckily :) | Aug 09 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb3: anyway, like i say, replyign to that kid with reason probably won't work. life will knock some sense into him... | Aug 09 22:22 |
| sebsebseb3 | honestly Flash is better than Moonlight/Silverlight | Aug 09 22:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Publications Experiment with Converting Free to Fee http://bit.ly/cPhKqc from @deele | Aug 09 22:23 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: meg·a·lo·ma·nia noun: 1. a mental disorder characterized by delusions of power, wealth, or importance. 2. a │ | Aug 09 22:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | | self-interested tendency to do grand things. | Aug 09 22:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | hehe | Aug 09 22:24 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <Chips_B_Malroy> what is that about a 2 billion plus loss per year on online? | Aug 09 22:24 |
| schestowitz | ~700 per qtr | Aug 09 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bing | Aug 09 22:24 |
| schestowitz | But changing | Aug 09 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> my long rant with links on Bing, MSN, MS online | Aug 09 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll lower it by relocating to infosys | Aug 09 22:24 |
| schestowitz | But those losses increase in recent qtrs | Aug 09 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Peaked in the last one, going at $3bn in losses/annum | Aug 09 22:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS was lowering it, by selling off half of MSN China | Aug 09 22:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cuts expenses and losses at same time, retains control | Aug 09 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow Arianna really walks a fine line. she has to know where to stop before she stops being invited to the 'shadow elite' parties. | Aug 09 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | i guess that's her gift. | Aug 09 22:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My links were trying to show the failure of MS in china as reguards to search | Aug 09 22:26 |
| schestowitz | [21:11] <MinceR> xahlee sounds like a m$ fanboy | Aug 09 22:27 |
| schestowitz | He's not | Aug 09 22:27 |
| schestowitz | He's a USENET troll | Aug 09 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: OMG | Aug 09 22:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and that Yahoo search may not go with Bing as well | Aug 09 22:27 |
| schestowitz | He criticised MSFT | Aug 09 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and HOW | Aug 09 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | XahLee is unreadable. | Aug 09 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't think he's political, though. he's anotehr fencesitter that thinks (or prefers) that it all be about tech | Aug 09 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [21:15] <Chips_B_Malroy> from Preston Gralla ms fanboy | Aug 09 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Don't insult boys | Aug 09 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | XahLee is an attention whore | Aug 09 22:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> but Gralla is a usefull idiot to quote from at times, just like the one from ZDnet | Aug 09 22:29 |
| schestowitz | [22:03] <FurnaceBoy> Gates is trying to market himself as a Silicon Age Christ | Aug 09 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Oh jesus!! | Aug 09 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 09 22:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even Gralla gets it right once in a blue moon | Aug 09 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | seriously. | Aug 09 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's how he sees himself | Aug 09 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Born to a silver spoon, the criminal was resurrected as an angel and ascended t heaven | Aug 09 22:29 |
| MinceR | 231846 < FurnaceBoy> MinceR: OMG | Aug 09 22:29 |
| MinceR | ? | Aug 09 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | the Great Man, the Greatest Philanthropist who Ever Lived, who will Save us through His Ideas and Technology | Aug 09 22:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | more like a silicon master | Aug 09 22:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Is It Defamation To Call The Couple Who Got Into White House Dinner 'Party Crashers'? http://dlvr.it/3bCH1 | Aug 09 22:30 | |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 09 22:30 |
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| TechrightsBot | lol | Aug 09 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: XahLee | Aug 09 22:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not christ | Aug 09 22:30 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: someone linked it. | Aug 09 22:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | bill gates quote" "People always fear change. People feared electricity when it was invented, didn't they? People feared coal, they feared gas-powered engines... There will always be ignorance, and ignorance leads to fear. But with time, people will come to accept their silicon masters." | Aug 09 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: he sees himself as civilisation's saviour, while in reality, he's one of its greatest enemies | Aug 09 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: your quote isn't about him, so much. I'm talking about his image, to the couch potatoes (churchgoers) | Aug 09 22:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: since money is now the only sacred object | Aug 09 22:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: and worshiped assiduously | Aug 09 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am not sure he ever stopped being a robber baron or what gates thinks of himself | Aug 09 22:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: of course not, he just got grander and grander ideas. | Aug 09 22:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: after destroying the software industry he can now destroy our energy, medicine, agriculture sysems. | Aug 09 22:32 |
| schestowitz | [22:30] <Chips_B_Malroy> more like a silicon master | Aug 09 22:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: whatever he can get his hands on. | Aug 09 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It might be a fake quote | Aug 09 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I'd verify | Aug 09 22:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.billgatesmicrosoft.com/ | Aug 09 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Why did XahLee come up? | Aug 09 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | could be fake, but I has seen in it in several places before | Aug 09 22:33 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine had him kicked by his ISP for abuse | Aug 09 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I think it's from a a spoof interview | Aug 09 22:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://huff.to/allKCA hm, a nation of children... | Aug 09 22:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Techrights Just the Messenger Regarding #Canonical - #OpenSUSE, Neither Denies the Rumour http://ur1.ca/11m4n #suse #ubuntu | Aug 09 22:37 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Techrights Just the Messenger Regarding #Canonical - #OpenSUSE, Neither Denies the Rumour http://ur1.ca/11m4n #suse !ubuntu | Aug 09 22:38 | |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I read that as "Jersey Whore Carnival " | Aug 09 22:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: same diff, i think. | Aug 09 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Obama linkbait | Aug 09 22:40 |
| schestowitz | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/openbytes-statement/ | Aug 09 22:42 |
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| jono | sebsebseb3, I am looking into the OMG!Ubuntu issue | Aug 09 22:44 |
| sebsebseb3 | jono: ok :) | Aug 09 22:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] To be clear, folks, I am looking into the OMG!Ubuntu issue, and remember, it is *not* officially representative of Ubuntu #ubuntu | Aug 09 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45210544#notice-45608999 | Aug 09 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz i want ballmer to stay, he's doing a great job over there" | Aug 09 22:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @jonobacon: To be clear, folks, I am looking into the OMG!Ubuntu issue, and remember, it is *not* officially representative of Ubuntu | Aug 09 22:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: RT @ggreenwald The most ironic headline since Gates & Mullen said WikiLeaks had "blood on its hands":... http://ff.im/oZl0M | Aug 09 22:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Laura is getting involved in the Ubuntu Global Jam...are you? http://is.gd/eawF7 #ubuntu #locoteams | Aug 09 22:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu : "We have no plans to fork GNOME" http://derstandard.at/1280984081593/Ubuntu-We-have-no-plans-to-fork-GNOME | Aug 09 22:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 140 characters may not be huge, but I've never had any complaints! | Aug 09 23:10 | |
| FurnaceBoy | hm. | Aug 09 23:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Arianna's dilemma is fascinating. Compare to Greenwald. I wonder what doors are closed to the latter because he calls a spade a spade. | Aug 09 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Context? | Aug 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | You mentioned this earlier? | Aug 09 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Arianna has a new book, talks about the shadow elite that she parties with, | Aug 09 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that must be an interesting fence to sit on. | Aug 09 23:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: >:-| | Aug 09 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: she's a Writer, Journalist, right? Who's basically 'embedded'. | Aug 09 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: FOX Left | Aug 09 23:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ?_? | Aug 09 23:15 |
| schestowitz | She slammed Fox | Aug 09 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: of course | Aug 09 23:15 |
| schestowitz | From what I saw | Aug 09 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Left-wing | Aug 09 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's part of the schtick | Aug 09 23:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: funny | Aug 09 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I would not go that far | Aug 09 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | no? | Aug 09 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: do you think she spits on Murdoch when they meet? | Aug 09 23:16 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I was joking about yuhoung | Aug 09 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: of course not. they're friends. | Aug 09 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I don't know enough about her | Aug 09 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: she's friends with this 'elite' she supposedly writes about. | Aug 09 23:17 |
| schestowitz | I know | Aug 09 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Be careful | Aug 09 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's embedding | Aug 09 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Reminds me of Gates Keeper, aka Pam Endstrom | Aug 09 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: her job is FOX Left | Aug 09 23:17 |
| schestowitz | They write books | Aug 09 23:17 |
| schestowitz | They try to show they 'expose' their friends | Aug 09 23:17 |
| schestowitz | ANd then it ends with all the shitewash | Aug 09 23:17 |
| schestowitz | *whitewash | Aug 09 23:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. | Aug 09 23:18 |
| schestowitz | oops, bad typo | Aug 09 23:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | she wants to keep her party invitations. | Aug 09 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Like, poor Micorosft was victimed by DoJ | Aug 09 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I didn't see it coming | Aug 09 23:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | i just think the contrast with a real journalist, like Greenwald or Hersh, is staggering. | Aug 09 23:18 |
| schestowitz | But you can dig the embarassing parts out | Aug 09 23:18 |
| schestowitz | As I have | Aug 09 23:18 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's like controlled opposition | Aug 09 23:18 |
| schestowitz | You wants a /REAL/ book that 'exposes' <x>? Points to <x> controlled opposition | Aug 09 23:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's tremendous. it's Janus. | Aug 09 23:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's FOX on the one face and HuffPo on the other. | Aug 09 23:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | same ppl at the levers | Aug 09 23:19 |
| schestowitz | They way they can dilute real opposition too | Aug 09 23:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | absolutely. it's ping-pong. | Aug 09 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Ewww... | Aug 09 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I'\d rather take British journalism | Aug 09 23:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | HuffPo is basically just reacting to FOX. | Aug 09 23:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | why? | Aug 09 23:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, we know why... | Aug 09 23:20 |
| schestowitz | US press is scary junk | Aug 09 23:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | it controls the discourse | Aug 09 23:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Handle Ubuntu LoCo Team calendars better - http://is.gd/eaya2 #ubuntu #locoteams | Aug 09 23:20 | |
| FurnaceBoy | it's another way of ensuring there's no leaks | Aug 09 23:20 |
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| FurnaceBoy | it's airtight | Aug 09 23:20 |
| schestowitz | <a href="http://www.the-source.com/2010/08/out-of-the-blue/" title="Out of the blue"></a> | Aug 09 23:20 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote cite="http://www.the-source.com/2010/08/out-of-the-blue/"> | Aug 09 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Now what does this say coming out of the mouth of someone who uses MONO as the wonderful gift to bring the “loved by all” technology to the world in the form of Gnome DO? | Aug 09 23:20 |
| schestowitz | </blockquote> | Aug 09 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. | Aug 09 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Sorry about that | Aug 09 23:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | the 'left' press is kept continually distracted by whatever nuttiness FOX showed today | Aug 09 23:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/07/saudi-arabia-deal-avert-blackberry-ban | Aug 09 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Latest lies | Aug 09 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/03/wealth-gap-heralds-meltdown | Aug 09 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mclu.org/node/653 | Aug 09 23:24 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy will like http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/08/when-doctors-became-torturers.html | Aug 09 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/07/burma-1988-anniversary-generation-88 | Aug 09 23:25 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: wow, nice to see a Terry Colon cartoon in the masthead! | Aug 09 23:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: remember suck.com ? | Aug 09 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | Nope | Aug 09 23:28 |
| schestowitz | http://pol.moveon.org/google | Aug 09 23:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Nice to see lots of people asking @discovery about http://bit.ly/bmvdZo but sad that @discovery is staying silent so far. | Aug 09 23:29 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Oh god, that Doctors article. What has come of us. | Aug 09 23:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '[#cia #torture "doctors"] need to be stripped of their medical licenses and prosecuted under the Geneva Conventions' http://bit.ly/afo3CX | Aug 09 23:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Google And Verizon Announce... Um... Something That Appears To Mean Nothing http://dlvr.it/3bJQR | Aug 09 23:35 | |
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| schestowitz | That's an interesting take from RMS: http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-may-aug.html#09%20August%202010%20%28Demonization%20of%20child%20pornography%20endangers%20US%20national%20security%29 | Aug 09 23:35 |
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| _Goblin | bonjour all | Aug 09 23:44 |
| MinceR | o hai | Aug 09 23:45 |
| _Goblin | who's the op now? | Aug 09 23:45 |
| _Goblin | seems nobody | Aug 09 23:45 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 09 23:45 |
| MinceR | "Where is your op now?" | Aug 09 23:45 |
| _Goblin | NO! | Aug 09 23:45 |
| _Goblin | don't want it | Aug 09 23:45 |
| _Goblin | You the best Linux user for job. | Aug 09 23:46 |
| _Goblin | Vote Mincer | Aug 09 23:46 |
| _Goblin | +! | Aug 09 23:46 |
| _Goblin | +! | Aug 09 23:46 |
| _Goblin | +1 | Aug 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | it isn't mutually exclusive | Aug 09 23:47 |
| _Goblin | In all seriousness, I'd like to see Marti here more often and as op. | Aug 09 23:47 |
| _Goblin | he's a good guy. | Aug 09 23:47 |
| MinceR | who's Marti? | Aug 09 23:47 |
| _Goblin | A very decent FOSS advocate...Roys known him for a while....he hangs around in COLA too. | Aug 09 23:47 |
| MinceR | has he appeared here? | Aug 09 23:48 |
| _Goblin | I think so... | Aug 09 23:48 |
| _Goblin | and he has a goatee beard like me....so he's got to be good. | Aug 09 23:48 |
| _Goblin | or as I call it... | Aug 09 23:48 |
| _Goblin | a gnutee beard | Aug 09 23:48 |
| _Goblin | You can't advocate Linux properly without one. | Aug 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | i can't? | Aug 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll have to advocate GNU/Linux instead, then | Aug 09 23:50 |
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| _Goblin | no you need a full RMS beard | Aug 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | i prefer to be clean shaven | Aug 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | or having stubble for not caring to shave for a few days | Aug 09 23:51 |
| _Goblin | then you have to advocate the Kin I think. | Aug 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | i don't think i have to | Aug 09 23:51 |
| _Goblin | its all about rank | Aug 09 23:51 |
| _Goblin | the bigger the beard, the higher the rank | Aug 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | it isn't | Aug 09 23:51 |
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| MinceR | and keeping impractical facial hair around has nothing to do with rank | Aug 09 23:52 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 09 23:52 |
| MinceR | s/cal/& and ugly/ | Aug 09 23:52 |
| _Goblin | under normal circumstances Id agree, although there does seem to be a link between beards and Linux! ;) | Aug 09 23:52 |
| oiaohm | I still find it interesting most people are only noticing the education buy off now. Apple was one of the first to be doing it free macs for schools. | Aug 09 23:52 |
| MinceR | beards are more common among IT pros than in other (more suit-y) professions | Aug 09 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because missing shaving shows. | Aug 09 23:53 |
| _Goblin | Infact (with exception of Roy) Im hard pushed to think of a public Linux figure who doesn't have a beard of some sort. | Aug 09 23:53 |
| cubevector | I'll like to see the schools at least run some non-Microsoft stuff, but I suppose I really should say FOSS instead | Aug 09 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Missing cutting beard does not. | Aug 09 23:53 |
| cubevector | Linus? :) | Aug 09 23:53 |
| oiaohm | IT pros don't always get to go home. | Aug 09 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Linus is a developer he is a lucky one. | Aug 09 23:54 |
| _Goblin | fair play. | Aug 09 23:54 |
| _Goblin | in my rush to prove my theory I forgot about him. | Aug 09 23:54 |
| _Goblin | ok appart from Roy and Linus.... | Aug 09 23:54 |
| _Goblin | oh and Jono....(I don't think he has facial hair..does he?) | Aug 09 23:55 |
| oiaohm | I have MS and Cisco systems pros here with beards _Goblin | Aug 09 23:55 |
| cubevector | say Unix guys, they're even more bearded | Aug 09 23:55 |
| oiaohm | Just like me. | Aug 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | jono is a public free software figure now? | Aug 09 23:55 |
| oiaohm | Same reason. | Aug 09 23:55 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: I'd say so.... | Aug 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | sounds like increasingly a stretch to me | Aug 09 23:56 |
| _Goblin | Ive had a long chat on phone with him....very nice chap. | Aug 09 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Unix world pros are also likely to run late nights to do update and the like to not effect end users. | Aug 09 23:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @consumerist Attendant Cusses Psngr, Uses Slide 2 Exit Plane& Run Away http://ow.ly/18v5kP //am I the only one siding with the attendant? | Aug 09 23:56 | |
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| oiaohm | A beard is more a sign of what a IT officer is prepared todo. _Goblin | Aug 09 23:56 |
| sebsebseb3 | jono: Hows the Humphrey thing going? | Aug 09 23:56 |
| _Goblin | I swear by beards... | Aug 09 23:57 |
| cubevector | uh, there are some women in FOSS | Aug 09 23:57 |
| oiaohm | I currently have a beard because I am in a IT support role. | Aug 09 23:57 |
| cubevector | not many I admit | Aug 09 23:57 |
| oiaohm | But when I move back to development it disappears. | Aug 09 23:57 |
| oiaohm | More than most people know cubevector | Aug 09 23:57 |
| cubevector | just to balance the bearded equation :) | Aug 09 23:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Legal extortion in full flow 'just pay up, you won't like it if you don't just pay up' http://bit.ly/cKsftz | Aug 09 23:58 | |
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| oiaohm | Women coders normally don't adverise the fact in most case. cubevector | Aug 09 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Google lead developers are about 50 50 is 50 percent Men and 50 percent Women. | Aug 09 23:58 |
| _Goblin | I knew a female coder...she was the librarian at my school many years ago...wrote the schools library database software. | Aug 09 23:59 |
| cubevector | yeah, understandable | Aug 09 23:59 |
| oiaohm | And the scary part is most of the google ones are hot. | Aug 09 23:59 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I can't grow a beard | Aug 09 23:59 |
| _Goblin | what about drawing one on? | Aug 09 23:59 |
| _Goblin | or a fake one? | Aug 09 23:59 |
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