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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] "If Public Libraries Didn’t Exist, Could You Start One Today?" Methinks librarians would be outlaws. http://nyti.ms/9I5mSa | Aug 11 00:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Project Vigilant: One Nearly Homeless Guy Talking Big? http://dlvr.it/3dWk7 | Aug 11 00:04 | |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/335446 "fair enough- but what do they have to do with red hat and fedora? i actually thought most of it was coming from former ubuntu users" | Aug 11 00:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Watching Canada's Worst Driver. These people terrify me! | Aug 11 00:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Professional left" outburst yet again reveals true colours of Bush^H^H Administration. #war #torture | Aug 11 00:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back from work via train.....terrible journey...terrible service. | Aug 11 00:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Why do humans in groups seem always to descend to horrific barbarism? #LordOfTheFlies #war #religion | Aug 11 00:37 | |
| schestowitz | jono_: check mail :-) | Aug 11 00:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@sandrabuarque RT @Dputamadre Clinton urges 3Iran to respect the fundamental freedom of its citizens http://bit.ly/9ULN34 //#irony overload | Aug 11 00:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 it helps them survive in the game of evolution sometimes | Aug 11 00:38 | |
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| _Goblin | (as per tweet) survival of the fittest is natural behaviour for any animal. | Aug 11 00:39 |
| _Goblin | its just in these more "civil" times....the fittest is the richest and the most powerful. | Aug 11 00:39 |
| jono_ | schestowitz looks great! | Aug 11 00:43 |
| jono_ | thanks! | Aug 11 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Thanks /you/ | Aug 11 00:44 |
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| *schestowitz thanks /you/ | Aug 11 00:44 | |
| jono_ | I think it will be a great feature :) | Aug 11 00:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz yet it's tragically unhelpful in a developed, unequal, overpopulated world. So while the world dies, we die, maladapted, too | Aug 11 00:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 cooperation is rewarded, but also rewarded in wars/groups | Aug 11 00:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz so, 2 modes of behaviour? that explains a lot | Aug 11 00:48 | |
| sebsebseb3 | jono_: uhmm the Ayatana Ubuntu patches are not upstream, in a way they would be, but only for the projects them selves, if other distros that weren't Ubuntu based used them. Ubuntu's Copyright Assignment can stop that from happening as well. Also this is a good response to your recent interview. http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2010/08/10/we-have-no-plans-to-fork-gnome/ | Aug 11 00:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@eikonos the gingrich thing reveals that he thinks of himself as messianic, a cult leader, in fact, whose behaviour need have no restraints | Aug 11 00:49 | |
| sebsebseb3 | jono_: to be clear I am specifically on about the Gnome patches | Aug 11 00:50 |
| jono_ | sebsebseb3, Ayatana are not patches to gnome, they individual components | Aug 11 00:50 |
| sebsebseb3 | jono_: as for say the Software Centre other distros don't use that, but well I read Debian will | Aug 11 00:50 |
| jono_ | sebsebseb3, software center is not an ayatana project, and any Debian could use it easily | Aug 11 00:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@Symbolman what about armed passengers? Still a good idea? #jetblue | Aug 11 00:54 | |
| sebsebseb3 | jono_: Other distros could use the Ubuntu Gnome changes, but well they won't at the moment at least, with upstream Gnome not accepting the changes, and Gnome 3 round the corner. Well use by default I mean, lets take notify-osd for example, thats optional in the Mandriva repo, they even have Gwibber. | Aug 11 00:55 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb3: to be fair, both are packaged in quite a few distros | Aug 11 00:55 |
| sebsebseb3 | jono_: As for Gnome 3 no one really knows much about it I guess, except the developers, but maybe some Ubuntu changes for it will get accepted upstream for it. | Aug 11 00:56 |
| sebsebseb3 | in the future | Aug 11 00:56 |
| sebsebseb3 | jono_: I guess upstream can have differnet meanings, but for most Linux users, as far as I know, it means the original project. So calling stuff upstream work, that only Ubuntu uses at the moment by default, personally I don't think its a great idea. | Aug 11 00:59 |
| bruce89 | anyway, it's clear, got meteors to look at | Aug 11 00:59 |
| _Goblin | .... | Aug 11 01:03 |
| _Goblin | what to do... | Aug 11 01:03 |
| bruce89 | left the lens in the car | Aug 11 01:03 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: uhmm? | Aug 11 01:03 |
| _Goblin | ah...this for your meteors | Aug 11 01:03 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb3: hi mate! | Aug 11 01:03 |
| _Goblin | bruce89: Be careful when watching meteors....remember the Day of the Trifids. | Aug 11 01:04 |
| _Goblin | COLA has gone a little mad lately.... | Aug 11 01:05 |
| _Goblin | lots of abuse and flame baiting threads being created. | Aug 11 01:05 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: COLA? Coca Cola? | Aug 11 01:06 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 11 01:06 |
| _Goblin | no comp.os.linux.advocacy | Aug 11 01:07 |
| sebsebseb3 | oh | Aug 11 01:07 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: Comp OS? | Aug 11 01:08 |
| sebsebseb3 | don't know of it | Aug 11 01:08 |
| _Goblin | its a newsgroup | Aug 11 01:09 |
| _Goblin | youre not missing much... | Aug 11 01:09 |
| _Goblin | its mostly ruined by trolls. | Aug 11 01:09 |
| sebsebseb3 | a newsgroup? a forum? a mailng list? | Aug 11 01:09 |
| _Goblin | on Usenet | Aug 11 01:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | uhmmm I don't think I have ever used usenet, or maybe been on something usenet before, and then its like sign up and pay | Aug 11 01:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | or whatever | Aug 11 01:10 |
| _Goblin | Usenet is the future....(and the past)...mark my words...Usenet will be hugely popular once people get fed up with being threatened with sharing on P2p | Aug 11 01:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | I am not sure what usenet is either, to be honest | Aug 11 01:11 |
| _Goblin | when you get time, look at google groups (its free for newsgroup access)... | Aug 11 01:12 |
| _Goblin | its "old skool" | Aug 11 01:12 |
| sebsebseb3 | yeah I know its been around a lot of years | Aug 11 01:13 |
| sebsebseb3 | whatever it is | Aug 11 01:13 |
| _Goblin | I wish I could remember the name of the BBS I used in the days of the Spectrum.... | Aug 11 01:13 |
| sebsebseb3 | the spectrum? | Aug 11 01:13 |
| sebsebseb3 | BBS? Bulleton Board Software? | Aug 11 01:14 |
| _Goblin | 48k (computing from the 80's) | Aug 11 01:14 |
| _Goblin | and yes BBS = Bulletin Board | Aug 11 01:14 |
| sebsebseb3 | and BBS = forum | Aug 11 01:14 |
| _Goblin | sort of...before the days of the net....dialup | Aug 11 01:15 |
| _Goblin | I think it was Micro....something...Im going to google it.. | Aug 11 01:15 |
| _Goblin | found it! | Aug 11 01:18 |
| _Goblin | MicroNet | Aug 11 01:18 |
| _Goblin | thats the one! | Aug 11 01:18 |
| sebsebseb3 | whatever that is | Aug 11 01:20 |
| bruce89 | damned things didn't appear | Aug 11 01:22 |
| bruce89 | nowhere near dark enough here in any case | Aug 11 01:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Leaves #Windows XP SP2 Users Open to Attacks, ZeuS Exploits Windows Flaws, and 4Chan Becomes Unsafe http://ur1.ca/121uu | Aug 11 01:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@joanwalsh Rove is the New Ratfucker | Aug 11 01:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Remember well those organizations currently rushing to push the Pentagon's agenda without fact checking. | Aug 11 01:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Ex-spies ponder North Koren missile sale to Taliban | WaPo http://bit.ly/aWBu0W | Aug 11 01:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Gives Three New Signs of Desperation http://ur1.ca/12227 The monopolist from Redmond exhibits symptoms of concern and surrender | Aug 11 01:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New IRC format in #Techrights http://ur1.ca/1224a we've just climbed to 1010th place in Netcraft traffic rank. Highest ever. | Aug 11 01:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] ISP Owner Finally Able To Admit That He Stood Up To The FBI Over Questionable Data Request http://dlvr.it/3dhZN | Aug 11 01:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'd be kind of annoyed if I was Red Hat | Aug 11 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | they pay a lot of money in wages to their employees to contribute code under the GPL | Aug 11 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | then all Canonical has to do is pick up whatever companies like Red Hat or Novell wrote | Aug 11 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | and run with it | Aug 11 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | and use it to poach customers with | Aug 11 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | and there's really nothing Red Hat can do to stop them | Aug 11 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | unless they can convince their customers that they offer better service, but by the time the customer who thought they'd save some money finds out what they've done, they're already in some Ubuntu contract | Aug 11 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | or so goes Canonical's thinking anyway | Aug 11 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | by the time the customer figures out they've been duped, they're already locked into a long term contract and have hundreds or thousands of systems they'd have to migrate back over to RHEL | Aug 11 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | you go cheap and you get what you pay for | Aug 11 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | I think we've seen that this doesn't work with stunts like "Oracle Enterprise Linux" | Aug 11 02:04 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Senator Ted Stevens, the guy who described the Internet as a series of tubes, dies in plane crash http://ur1.ca/122es | Aug 11 02:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | and the news is in the tubes | Aug 11 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | already | Aug 11 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | wow | Aug 11 02:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] What do hard-working Linux people do after slaving over a hot compiler? Why they go bowling of course. #Linuxcon | Aug 11 02:17 | |
| bruce89 | http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/08/bringing-fun-back-to-the-desktop/ | Aug 11 02:18 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: he was very corrupt anyway and he had little time left to live | Aug 11 02:20 |
| schestowitz | I don't believe people should be glorified just because they died | Aug 11 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | death gives everyone's reputation a promotion | Aug 11 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Ted Stevens was worthy of early death | Aug 11 02:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: even the most disgusting evangelists | Aug 11 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | anyone | Aug 11 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Jerry "fags caused 9/11..." F | Aug 11 02:21 |
| schestowitz | "He was such a lovely guy......." | Aug 11 02:21 |
| schestowitz | *sobs | Aug 11 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: that isnt it | Aug 11 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | nobody wants to be the first person to walk up and say what a cantankerous old bastard he was | Aug 11 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Christopher Hitchens gave him what he deserved | Aug 11 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | well, I do | Aug 11 02:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | why did o'keefe survive | Aug 11 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't count | Aug 11 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Stevens was supposed to be jailed | Aug 11 02:24 |
| schestowitz | But they had mercy on him cause he was very old anyway | Aug 11 02:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | ted stevens was merely a corrupt politician | Aug 11 02:24 |
| schestowitz | So they left the criminal out of prison | Aug 11 02:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | o'keefe murdered 7 astronauts | Aug 11 02:24 |
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| txdv | kill them all, that will solve the problem | Aug 11 02:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz is #war biological - or political? | Aug 11 02:25 | |
| DaemonFC | both | Aug 11 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | go, kill them all, take the virgins for yourself! -God | Aug 11 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 02:26 |
| txdv | hmm | Aug 11 02:26 |
| txdv | i might get religious | Aug 11 02:26 |
| txdv | i like this god | Aug 11 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | but don't wear clothes of mixed fiber or eat seafood or pork | Aug 11 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | and no can has the gay! | Aug 11 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 02:27 |
| txdv | why the seeafood? | Aug 11 02:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Ziggy_Daddy Just 25 Americans Died As A Result Of #Terrorism Last Yr—fewer Than by Traffic Accidents, Flu, Or Dog Bites // or paper cuts | Aug 11 02:28 | |
| DaemonFC | cause god said don't eat it | Aug 11 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | how dare you question God! | Aug 11 02:28 |
| txdv | what god prohibited eating sea food | Aug 11 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | you should be glad he doesn't send lightning and asteroids and shit down on you | Aug 11 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | now beg his forgiveness | Aug 11 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 02:29 |
| bruce89 | ah, so that's what the Perseids are for | Aug 11 02:29 |
| txdv | no god can touch me | Aug 11 02:29 |
| txdv | cause i'm an atheist | Aug 11 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | the same book of the bible that condemns gays says wearing clothing of mixed fibers or eating pork or shellfish is sinful | Aug 11 02:30 |
| txdv | hmmm, thats a good reason to send more american troops to iraq | Aug 11 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | "You're going to hell for being gay!" he shouted at the Christmas dinner table while wearing his clothing of mixed fiber and helping himself to some honey ham... | Aug 11 02:31 |
| txdv | a gay wearing mixed fiber and eating pork and shellfish at once | Aug 11 02:31 |
| txdv | that would be a nightmare | Aug 11 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | actually | Aug 11 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | now that you mention it | Aug 11 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | I have worn clothing of mixed fiber while eating shellfish and pork at the same meal | Aug 11 02:32 |
| txdv | and god didn't hit you with lightning bolts | Aug 11 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Aug 11 02:32 |
| txdv | you will burn in hell | Aug 11 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Aug 11 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | Taco Bell has shrimp tacos now | Aug 11 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | everyone who goes to Taco Bell and eats one of those suckers is going to hell | Aug 11 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | says God | Aug 11 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | (Leviticus) | Aug 11 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | oddly enough they introduced that for Lent (Catholics) | Aug 11 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | Christians get their wires crossed | Aug 11 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | can't remember which shoulder to throw the salt over | Aug 11 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's sad | Aug 11 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | now, Solipsism is an idea I could get behind | Aug 11 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | easily | Aug 11 02:35 |
| txdv | whats that? | Aug 11 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | the idea that you can only be sure that your own mind exists | Aug 11 02:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Xbox360 Banned by China, But Microsoft Continues to Abduct Government Seats, Data http://ur1.ca/123xg | Aug 11 02:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | and anything outside of that could be an illusion | Aug 11 02:36 |
| bruce89 | what happens if you don't even believe your mind exists? | Aug 11 02:37 |
| txdv | what happens if you die | Aug 11 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, Solipsism kind of involves the possibility that you are God | Aug 11 02:37 |
| txdv | then nothing more exists | Aug 11 02:37 |
| txdv | :D | Aug 11 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | that everything around you is a projection of your own mind | Aug 11 02:37 |
| txdv | sounds kinda egoistic | Aug 11 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh. | Aug 11 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | and I guess that when you die, everything else in the world ceases to exist | Aug 11 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | The Universe itself is akin to a giant storage medium | Aug 11 02:38 |
| txdv | a good view of the world | Aug 11 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | When you die, you still exist in some form. | Aug 11 02:38 |
| txdv | but the surounding changes you too | Aug 11 02:38 |
| bruce89 | having the whole universe exist only in your own brain, how's that egotistical? | Aug 11 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | some like to believe its the Akashic records | Aug 11 02:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | everything ever has been recorded. | Aug 11 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | well, according to quantum theory, you will always exist | Aug 11 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | because you have existed at some point in time | Aug 11 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | and will always exist in those frames of time | Aug 11 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | I happen to believe that life is pretty much scripted | Aug 11 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | that we do things because that's the only way things could have gone, because that's the way they are supposed to play out | Aug 11 02:40 |
| txdv | i dont believe this | Aug 11 02:41 |
| bruce89 | if that's the case, I demand the source code | Aug 11 02:41 |
| txdv | people kill people because it was the way it was meant to be? | Aug 11 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | well, everything would happen because that's the way it's supposed to play out | Aug 11 02:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | people kill people because people kill people, nothing more. | Aug 11 02:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | god does not interfere with free will | Aug 11 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | free will is an illusion | Aug 11 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | if God exists, that's even more proof that free will doesn't | Aug 11 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | because God would know everything you were going to do before you were even born | Aug 11 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | and that would mean that you've already been judged | Aug 11 02:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @rtaibah: Happy Ramadan World! :) | Aug 11 02:43 | |
| txdv | but he doesn't | Aug 11 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | How can free will exist if God knows everything you're ever going to do? | Aug 11 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 02:44 |
| txdv | and if he does | Aug 11 02:44 |
| txdv | he created porn | Aug 11 02:44 |
| txdv | There is no god, it's a mathematical paradox that he can't exist | Aug 11 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | no, get this, God knows EVERYTHING you will EVER do | Aug 11 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | but you have free will? | Aug 11 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | How is that possible? | Aug 11 02:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is no mathematical paradox | Aug 11 02:44 |
| bruce89 | I do have free will, it's called being tired | Aug 11 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | if God knows everything you'll ever do with 100% certainty | Aug 11 02:45 |
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| DaemonFC | then there is no room for you to make your own choices | Aug 11 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | or surprise him | Aug 11 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | ever | Aug 11 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | in that event, everyone is consigned to their fate, and was before God ever created the universe, Earth, or humans | Aug 11 02:46 |
| txdv | a lot of ifs | Aug 11 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | so you really can't make the "God knows everything" and "You have free will" arguments coexist | Aug 11 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's an either/or | Aug 11 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | either God doesn't know everything (in which case, he's not God) | Aug 11 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | God does know everything (and lied about me having free will) | Aug 11 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | or God does not exist | Aug 11 02:47 |
| txdv | you can get even 'god is almighty' going | Aug 11 02:47 |
| txdv | If he is almighty, he should create an object he can't lift => he can't lift it, he is not almighty | Aug 11 02:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | txdv: such an object could not exist within the universe anyhow. | Aug 11 02:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | it would form a singularity of such size that it would suck in the entire universe. | Aug 11 02:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and even if this was not true, it would require infinite energy in the attempt to move it, which would boil away the entire universe | Aug 11 02:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | this paradox also does not define if the object is also indestructable | Aug 11 02:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | God's attempt to move it would only merely end with it's destruction. | Aug 11 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Self-contradictory statements are particular creatures. | Aug 11 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | In a correct system of logic, any immovable object would have to be an unstoppable force as well | Aug 11 02:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | and both cannot be true at the same time. | Aug 11 02:56 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45392753#notice-45730133 "@schestowitz one might argue that true friendship is never tested until there are conflicts" | Aug 11 02:57 |
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| Diablo-D3 | txdv: the real quesiton, however, is can God deny himself. | Aug 11 02:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] False report of Android malware @jwildeboer http://is.gd/ebY5I | Aug 11 02:58 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | God can merely not use all of his power, and fail to lift the object while trying to do os. | Aug 11 02:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Thus, the paradox is incredibly false. | Aug 11 02:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] False report of Android malware. Thx to @jwildeboer for the correct story http://is.gd/ebY5I | Aug 11 03:01 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Android Wallpaper Apps Falsely Accused of Spyware and Stealing Sensitive User Data [FUD] | Android Tapp. Android App Reviews .::. Size~: 104.53 KB | Aug 11 03:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | txdv: in other news, you're a horrible troll | Aug 11 03:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 can be both | Aug 11 03:02 | |
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| schestowitz | Aww God! More religious nuttery? | Aug 11 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | God loves you | Aug 11 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | so does White Jesus | Aug 11 03:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Cannot Win Against #Linux , Not With Windows CE http://ur1.ca/1257r Microsoft's latest 'leak' of vapourware | Aug 11 03:05 | |
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| txdv | Diablo-D3: it's just a logical conclusion | Aug 11 03:05 |
| txdv | if it would exist, it couldn't | Aug 11 03:06 |
| txdv | and if it wouldn't | Aug 11 03:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz I see-for example, biological in the small/individual/local and political in the large. #war | Aug 11 03:07 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | "How many members of a certain demographic group does it take to perform a specified task?" | Aug 11 03:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | "A finite number: one to perform the task and the remainder to act in a manner stereotypical of the group in question." | Aug 11 03:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@Mortythemouth and yet, as irony will have it, the most unspoiled, delicate, irreplaceable regions cop it worst. #NatureIsSacred #ak #bp | Aug 11 04:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@GreatDismal The average #Fox News viewer is 65 years old http://bit.ly/aPbGa6 // that's a relief | Aug 11 04:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @lcafiero: reports from the Felton Farmers Market, where #FOSS is gaining a foothold as is #gnu #linux as well. http://bit.ly/a2cY6C | Aug 11 04:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] How to Show "Collateral Murder" Outside in Public | WorldCantWait http://bit.ly/celE5t | Aug 11 04:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] If You Have A Generic Domain Name, Don't Expect Trademark Protection On It http://dlvr.it/3dyCr | Aug 11 04:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Afghan War Interactive Timeline http://bit.ly/abUOpO | Aug 11 05:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Just uploaded a new Severed Fifth video taking a spin around the studio ready for this weeks recording - http://soc.li/a75o0QS | Aug 11 05:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @CanadianMetal: SEVERED FIFTH To Stream New Album Online: Bay Area metallers SEVERED FIFTH streaming their new... http://bit.ly/9gnsux | Aug 11 05:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: New Severed Fifth album to be called "Nightmares By Design" - http://is.gd/ecrXO #severedfifth | Aug 11 06:04 | |
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| cubevector | looks like Ted "Tubes" Stevens is dead | Aug 11 06:39 |
| cubevector | plane crash | Aug 11 06:40 |
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| MinceR | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/google-ceo-schmidt-no-anonymity-future-web | Aug 11 06:53 |
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| cubevector | series of tubes, one last time: | Aug 11 06:56 |
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| MinceR | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0810/google-verizon-net-neutrality-wireless/ | Aug 11 07:10 |
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| MinceR | "Mobile is the future, and mobile is wireless," California high school student Mitchell Kernot reasoned. "So, what they are saying is the future isn't net neutral." | Aug 11 07:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Open Space Movement - http://bit.ly/cEYeVx open source methodology that is out of this world (via @Sky2042) #space #opensource | Aug 11 07:31 | |
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| jono | schestowitz just finished proof reading what you sent me, looks great | Aug 11 07:33 |
| jono | thanks | Aug 11 07:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Payola Scandals Show Why Performance Rights Tax Makes No Sense - http://bit.ly/b7AEF2 these people really are into hypocrisy #radio | Aug 11 07:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] UK Supermarket Starts Making Its Own Movies http://dlvr.it/3fDvL | Aug 11 08:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Gansu landslide: Another manmade disaster? - http://bit.ly/aG6oCG sad if true #landslide #china #environment | Aug 11 08:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Klinkert Zindel Partner is Promoting Software Patents in #Europe http://ur1.ca/12epg #swpats #eu #patents | Aug 11 08:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Source: "The King Is Dead, Long Live The King" - http://bit.ly/ckMd92 "Software freedom matters" #opensource #freesw | Aug 11 08:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Anti-terrorist hotline ad banned for being 'offensive' - http://bit.ly/aMLrKq I agree with the result, but not the logic #terrorism | Aug 11 08:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Coal barons at industry retreat plot to indoctrinate children about wonders of coal - http://bit.ly/bHyfSc that would be dirty, evil #coal | Aug 11 08:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Wrong Again, Zuck - http://bit.ly/azU7Qv there's sharing and there's sharing #facebook #sharing #potlatch | Aug 11 08:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Why do I get 400 rate limiting errors on identi.ca? | Aug 11 08:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Invention Network (OIN) and Linux Foundation Still Legitimise Software Patents http://ur1.ca/12fvv #patents #swpats #oin | Aug 11 08:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @floeff: Das bietet sich ja förmlich an http://www.dasschwarze-schaf.de | Genau! GVU vorschlagen! @sixtus | Aug 11 08:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft: Use #Chrome in #Hotmail http://ur1.ca/12gb0 Microsoft staff is once again recommending the competition's Web browser | Aug 11 08:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] EU, U.S. To Discuss Differences Over ACTA Scope In Bilateral Meeting - http://bit.ly/a18BCD useful summary of where things stand #acta | Aug 11 09:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Shocker: Gartner and Forrester Recommend Their Client Microsoft; Former Microsoft Executives (VMware) Defend Windows http://ur1.ca/12hg5 | Aug 11 09:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://floss.pro/ is advertising OpenSUSE. Hmmmmmmm.... #suse #identica | Aug 11 09:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] New blog post: Sixtus, GVU, Schwarze Schafe http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/08/sixtus-gvu-schwarze-schafe/ | Aug 11 09:28 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Jan Wildeboer » Blog Archive » Sixtus, GVU, Schwarze Schafe .::. Size~: 20.98 KB | Aug 11 09:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Antibiotics' efficiency wanes due to global spread of drug-resistant bacteria - http://bit.ly/cQ2lkT the Tragedy of the Antibiotics Commons | Aug 11 09:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ‘Directions on Microsoft’ Helps Microsoft as Budget Gets Tight http://ur1.ca/12io7 @DirectionsonMicrosoft #pr | Aug 11 09:50 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Directions on Microsoft Helps Microsoft as Budget Gets Tight | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.26 KB | Aug 11 09:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/06/clouds_silly_numbers_and_real_economics/ "Asay served as Alfreso's general manager for the Americas and vice president of business development and he helped put Novell on its open-source track. " | Aug 11 09:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Inflated billions hide cloud’s cash potential • The Register .::. Size~: 26.43 KB | Aug 11 09:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Every article from "SemiAccurate", the site of former Inquirer writers, is now labelled "satire" by Google News. Why not The Inquirer too? | Aug 11 09:58 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Aug 11 10:00 |
| MinceR | how do they know fox news isn't satire? :> | Aug 11 10:00 |
| schestowitz | Good point | Aug 11 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Google dislikes Murdoch after he negotiated with Microsoft with an option of suing Google | Aug 11 10:03 |
| schestowitz | "Fox" is more like entertainment "news" really | Aug 11 10:04 |
| schestowitz | They call Obama commun~1 and then bring about a theatre they call "panel of experts"[1] | Aug 11 10:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dollar dips after Fed http://ur1.ca/12jfd "The dollar edged towards a 15-year low against the yen on Wednesday" #asia #dollar | Aug 11 10:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Shame on me. I #fail ed at basic housekeeping. | Aug 11 10:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Andrew Orlowski keeps trolling the web on behalf of big corporations. Is he doing this on purpose? http://ur1.ca/12k48 #elreg | Aug 11 10:23 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm must have heard about the LinuxCon news re oin | Aug 11 10:23 |
| oiaohm | No to be correct schestowitz | Aug 11 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Been bussy. | Aug 11 10:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 'Climategate' university to open up data - http://bit.ly/bAlF8e excellent news; now, if only they'd done it before #opendata #climatechange | Aug 11 10:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Enterprise Open Source is Boring - and That's Good - http://bit.ly/avdvOn and all thanks to the Linux Foundation #linux #compliance | Aug 11 10:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE Turns 5 http://techrights.org/2010/08/11/opensuse-turns-5/ #suse #novell #gnu #linux | Aug 11 10:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Mendeley “sexes up” its academic API, opens it to all - http://bit.ly/bvl34w hardly seems the right verb... #mendeley #research | Aug 11 10:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Dogged by Expectations of Its Sale, Results to Disappoint http://techrights.org/2010/08/11/novell-warning/ | Aug 11 11:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dr. Bill Claybrook (Linux Product Marketing) Quit #Novell http://ur1.ca/12mj7 #suse #redhat #analyst #techdata | Aug 11 11:17 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dr. Bill Claybrook (Linux Product Marketing) Quit Novell | Techrights .::. Size~: 86.83 KB | Aug 11 11:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Compare And Contrast Google To Microsoft On The Privacy vs. Ads Question http://dlvr.it/3fYQX | Aug 11 11:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Spreads .NET, Receives Backing From #Microsoft Boosters http://ur1.ca/12n6i Novell's current focus | Aug 11 11:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Public consultation on the future of electronic commerce in the EU - http://bit.ly/bL4hnh (via @StopActaNow @jerezim RT @reesmarc) | Aug 11 11:42 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: European Commission » Internal Market » Consultation » White Paper on Insurance Guarantee Schemes .::. Size~: 25.64 KB | Aug 11 11:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vice President of Engineering at #Novell (Andy Fox) Not Surprised That #Google Pulled the Plug on #Wave http://ur1.ca/12o1a | Aug 11 11:56 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Vice President of Engineering at Novell (Andy Fox) Not Surprised That Google Pulled the Plug on Wave | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.93 KB | Aug 11 11:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO’s 2007 Bankruptcy May Have Been Fake http://ur1.ca/12ojr #sco #scox #ibm #linux #novell #unix #copyright | Aug 11 12:11 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: SCOs 2007 Bankruptcy May Have Been Fake | Techrights .::. Size~: 87.72 KB | Aug 11 12:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Anti-terrorist hotline ad banned for being 'offensive' http://ur1.ca/12p47 of you want your groceries private, you must be a TERROR~1 | Aug 11 12:25 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.brighterenergy.org/15000/news/solar/goldman-sachs-energy-unit-to-build-worlds-largest-cpv-solar-plant/ | Aug 11 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Goldman Sachs energy unit to build world’s largest CPV solar plant | BrighterEnergy.org .::. Size~: 52.54 KB | Aug 11 12:36 |
| schestowitz | PR? | Aug 11 12:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] “Is this Book Still Under Copyright?” - http://bit.ly/dCCkz2 ridiculous that so much effort has to be expended to decide #copyright | Aug 11 12:37 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Pencil. A #firefox add-on for UI Prototyping. http://bit.ly/dBhW3u. I'm definitely gonna give this a try. | Aug 11 12:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Just received Eken-M001 Android Ebook-reader. http://tinyurl.com/2bus8qh Coolest and Cheapest on earth. #android #eken #m001 #linux | Aug 11 12:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Just received Eken-M001 Android Ebook-reader. http://tinyurl.com/2bus8qh Coolest and Cheapest on earth. #android #eken | Aug 11 12:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Releases Development Platform, Applications and Plasma Workspaces 4.5.0 http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.5/ Kool stuff | Aug 11 12:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Website for Arch Hurd http://www.archhurd.org/news/16 is #Hurd making a comeback? | Aug 11 12:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google: Don't Be Evil http://pol.moveon.org/google/ #netneutrality | Aug 11 12:59 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10912376http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/08/10/hotmail-goes-alpha/ | Aug 11 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/08/10/hotmail-goes-alpha/ | Aug 11 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | Google is still on Beta :-) | Aug 11 13:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @shakthimaan: read extremely high expectations for use of IRCTC web service AP... http://bit.ly/9ptHvl | Aug 11 13:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @vvcrishna: RT @sunil_abraham: Does the Government want to enter our homes? http://is.gd/ecypH #India #mobile #privacy My article in Pun | Aug 11 13:11 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Does the Government want to enter our homes?, News - City - Pune Mirror,Pune Mirror .::. Size~: 98 KB | Aug 11 13:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] No Way I'm Trusting Google on Net Neutrality (and neither should you) by @ron_miller. http://bit.ly/9h6Uci | Aug 11 13:12 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: No Way I'm Trusting Google on Net Neutrality - by Ron Miller .::. Size~: 46.61 KB | Aug 11 13:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Why Android should be in the main Linux kernel http://is.gd/ecTeA #Linux #Android #LinuxCon | Aug 11 13:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @cspenn: #the5: Twitter opens up following without an account via SMS: http://bit.ly/cWssTz Me: Twitter as broadcast. | Aug 11 13:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @sjvn Why Android should be in the main Linux kernel http://is.gd/ecTeA #Linux #Android #LinuxCon | Aug 11 13:21 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why Android should be in the main Linux kernel #LinuxCon - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 108.22 KB | Aug 11 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Get me at times if you are watching the Linux kernel mailing list you see a lot of work trying to work out how to implement the features android has correctly. | Aug 11 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes the intergration of Android and mainline will happen. | Aug 11 13:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz AFAIR Google had 2 job openings for better coordination with upstream, maybe @cdibona can update? | Aug 11 13:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] The Car That's Driven 2.8 Million Miles http://dlvr.it/3fkX3 | Aug 11 13:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New coverage accompanies the new release of #KDE http://ur1.ca/11x3s http://ur1.ca/12rim http://ur1.ca/11mw5 | Aug 11 13:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer yes, I can recall reading about it in #elreg . I don't think it's @cdibona 's department though | Aug 11 13:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In order to battle the perception that "nobody uses Linux" Google should do more to advertise #Android as "Linux" #pr #brand #linux #google | Aug 11 13:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle is not killing Solaris, challenges #RedHat http://ur1.ca/12rvv http://ur1.ca/12rvw | Aug 11 13:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Do robots need laws? : a summer post:) - http://bit.ly/dx0kKQ nice forward-thinking piece #robots #asimov #liability #privacy | Aug 11 13:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: panGloss: Do robots need laws? : a summer post:) .::. Size~: 74.99 KB | Aug 11 13:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Just Say No!" [to Ubuntu tracking] http://ur1.ca/12s2r Controversy still alive http://ur1.ca/12s2s | Aug 11 13:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This image < http://openattitude.com/2010/08/10/ubootnu-versus-the-neck-beards/ > captures well @jwildeboer and #Ubuntu | Aug 11 13:47 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubootnu versus the neck beards. | Open attitude. .::. Size~: 70.47 KB | Aug 11 13:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @opensourceway Hype vs. Reality: Linux Story f/ the Media's Perspective @jzb @segphault @jasonbrooks @TechJournalist & @sjvn | Aug 11 13:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] When is Obama going to rip that latex mask off revealing Lenin #rwnj logic | Aug 11 13:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Liberal Central Command has a .su domain name! #rwnj logic | Aug 11 13:52 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: http://www.packtpub.com/open-source-awards-home real cash this year. Now this could get interesting. | Aug 11 13:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz FTR I am not a friend of dogs, I prefer cats :-) | Aug 11 13:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Rare rant about Linux desktop: http://www.mostlymaths.net/2010/08/linux-is-time-killer.html | Aug 11 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | I hardly find such rants anymore | Aug 11 13:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz: #hurd never 'went' afaict from @arnebab's animation on its development commit logs | Aug 11 13:55 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: doesn't seem like a big deal | Aug 11 13:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer @schestowitz FTR I am not a friend of dogs, I prefer cats :-) | Aug 11 14:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @jwildeboer: cats are more independent and with more character, so l agree. but dogs also have their good things for one to like. | Aug 11 14:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Q&A with Richard Stallman http://ur1.ca/12ss4 "Freedom for software users is no less important today than it was five years ago." | Aug 11 14:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @TechTailor: Twitter Followers Are False Prophets -- http://bit.ly/dBEk8d Me: Quick summary: Quality not quantity. | Aug 11 14:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It's funny how Stallman-hostile crowds try to agitate him by saying stuff like, "you're just jealous of Bill Gates." #strawman | Aug 11 14:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @sgaudin: Ahhh, Craigslist could be a sitcom. Thief tries to sell ladder to guy he stole ladder from. http://bit.ly/bid1qR | Aug 11 14:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OOo 3.3.0 Beta is out. http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_ooo_3_3_0 #openoffice #oracle #oooo | Aug 11 14:15 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Vulnerability-in-OpenSSL-1-0-x-1053147.html Vulnerability in OpenSSL 1.0.x | Aug 11 14:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell backs #Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/12tl2 "All told, Dell appears to be throwing more and more of its weight behind Ubuntu Linux." | Aug 11 14:26 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/08/the-continuum-of-linux-news-th.html | Aug 11 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | Great post | Aug 11 14:27 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: for years most open source applications competetions have been just for the fame. schestowitz | Aug 11 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Worse some you had to even pay entry to for no prise. schestowitz | Aug 11 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Its a change hopefully the money will get larger. | Aug 11 14:33 |
| schestowitz | "Let's hope so. I recently bought a Dell and I hope I didn't make a mistake." http://identi.ca/conversation/45461346#notice-45799874 | Aug 11 14:33 |
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| oiaohm | Another openoffice without svg support | Aug 11 14:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @ju916: How many SEO experts does it take to change a light bulb, lightbulb, light, bulb, lamp, lighting, switch, sex, xxx, hardcore?" | Aug 11 14:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Liberal Elite Comrades! Get your Party Webmail account at Trotmail.su | Aug 11 14:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] W/database licences, open access, & ind. licencing should Cdn univesities walk away from Access Copyright? http://bit.ly/9aVK2s | Aug 11 14:44 | |
| oiaohm | http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/08/androids-iphones-prepped-for-battle-in-armys-first-ever-app-contest/ | Aug 11 14:45 |
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| oiaohm | News just gets worse for MS schestowitz | Aug 11 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Notice no windows mobile or RIM in this game. | Aug 11 14:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Using Competition Law to Promote Access to Knowledge - http://bit.ly/a4jo8v "to reframe political debates and shift struggles" #a2k | Aug 11 14:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ip Man 2 Movie Piracy Case A Rare Event In China - http://bit.ly/c4V2jX one-off or a portent? #china #piracy | Aug 11 14:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] US Copyright Group Dumps Two Of Its Lawsuits... But Only To Refile Lawsuits Against Individuals http://dlvr.it/3ftqv | Aug 11 15:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @arnebab besides: The new Month of the Hurd is online → http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news/2010-07-31.html | Aug 11 15:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @arnebab the #Hurd *is* running stronger again than a few years back, and #Arch Hurd helps quite a bit; diversity is good | Aug 11 15:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 11/8/2010: KDE 4.5.0 is Out, Dell Backs GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2010/08/11/kde-4-5-0-is-out/ | Aug 11 15:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Red Hat and #atsec aim for CC EAL 4+ certification with RHEL6 and KVM - virt for secure environments! Yay! http://is.gd/ed1Ml | Aug 11 15:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Interesting recent article on The GNU/Hurd by Koen Vervloesem http://ur1.ca/12vzl | Aug 11 15:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Linux Foundation Makes Enterprise Open Source Boring - http://bit.ly/avdvOn and that's good [repost: minor headline change] #linux | Aug 11 15:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @bakercom1: Ubuntu's Census Taker Getting Bad Rap: In defense of counting boxes. http://bit.ly/cQ6G8Y by @TheTechScribe | Aug 11 15:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Why data needs journalism | Guardian http://bit.ly/aRDv6e | Aug 11 15:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why raw data sites need journalism | John Keenan | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 159.39 KB | Aug 11 15:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] ACTA Meeting Next Week: U.S. & EU talk to work out divide on scope of the treaty http://bit.ly/cN5Boc | Aug 11 15:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Plugging the Leaks | Washingtonian http://bit.ly/bfdEyW | Aug 11 15:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Worldbank: is WikiLeaks a new media model for the developing world? http://bit.ly/9W0Qal | Aug 11 15:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Novell takes SUSE Linux to the cloud with Amazon http://bit.ly/d3k4oJ #Novell #Linux #Amazon | Aug 11 16:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "iPhone owners have most sex partners" http://is.gd/ed4Or Yeah, coz when reception of your iPhone sucks, you start to do "other tihngs" ;-) | Aug 11 16:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @TechJournalist @bob_sutor IBM Blue Waters supercomputer coming online in 2011 is Linux based and will deliver 15 petaflops! #LinuxCon | Aug 11 16:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'd like to know why certain outfits that favor Microsoft technologies are spared from criticism | Aug 11 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | like Mozilla | Aug 11 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Aug 11 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla favours Macs | Aug 11 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | Well, Firefox 4 is going to be using Direct2D and DirectWrite to provide hardware acceleration of things like Canvas and HTML5 video | Aug 11 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | as well as regular page rendering | Aug 11 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | is there no open standard that works fairly well on Linux that can get the same things done? | Aug 11 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | Why are they gravitating towards DirectX instead of something like OpenGL and no mention of it is ever made by you | Aug 11 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | or on your site? | Aug 11 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | also, why do they sit back and allow Microsoft to install things like Bing Bar, "Defaults Manager" (Which enforces Bing Search in Firefox), .NET ClickOnce, and Silverlight without user permission? | Aug 11 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | they have nothing to say about this, ever | Aug 11 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | they refuse to answer why they allow it and why nobody is being sued for this illegal behavior | Aug 11 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | then you have top Mozilla people openly recommending Bing and Silverlight on their blogs | Aug 11 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | it all just kind of reeks | Aug 11 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | this shit is annoying even on Windows | Aug 11 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | Windows users notice that Microsoft flings poo into their plugins and extensions settings and complain about it | Aug 11 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | and Mozilla is apologizing for Microsoft instead of acting to stop it | Aug 11 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | it makes Firefox look like crapware | Aug 11 16:27 |
| schestowitz | what people? | Aug 11 16:27 |
| schestowitz | There's Asa | Aug 11 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably accelerating the exodus to Chrome | Aug 11 16:27 |
| schestowitz | And he was misunderstood | Aug 11 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Google wouldn't tolerate this | Aug 11 16:27 |
| schestowitz | That's one person | Aug 11 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Google would be blacklisting the trojans and suing Microsoft | Aug 11 16:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu MBR warning http://disruptive.org.uk/2010/08/10/oi,_ubuntu,_dont_do_that!.html is this a know issue? | Aug 11 16:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | Well, Mozilla seems kind of passive about their browser being ruined by bad plugins that the user doesn't want | Aug 11 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | it seems fishy | Aug 11 16:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] The Cycle Of Copyright: Originally A Tool For Censorship, Attempted As A Tool For Incentives... Back To A Tool For... http://dlvr.it/3g238 | Aug 11 16:28 | |
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| MinceR | not sure about criticism, but somehow you always come to the conclusion that firefox is the spawn of the devil :> | Aug 11 16:29 |
| MinceR | some of us don't | Aug 11 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft makes drive by spyware/trojan installs and Mozilla apologizes for them | Aug 11 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see why people just ignore this | Aug 11 16:30 |
| MinceR | i think we've been over this m$ infecting firefox as SYSTEM thing a couple of times already | Aug 11 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 11 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | lawsuit | Aug 11 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | injunction | Aug 11 16:30 |
| MinceR | yes, those could work | Aug 11 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | cash settlement maybe | Aug 11 16:30 |
| MinceR | technical means can't -- other than getting rid of winblows, of course | Aug 11 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'd sue them and seek a settlement where Microsoft agrees in contract to ask the user before installing anything | Aug 11 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | and pays me a bunch of money for tarnishing my reputation | Aug 11 16:31 |
| MinceR | why seek a settlement then? | Aug 11 16:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] A War on WikiLeaks? | Counterpunch http://bit.ly/9guXGe | Aug 11 16:31 | |
| MinceR | let the court do their worst. | Aug 11 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | installing plug-ins is alright, if the user understands what is going on and agrees | Aug 11 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | here you just install unrelated software and there they are | Aug 11 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | so right, Microsoft is busy infecting millions of copies of Firefox with unrequested Bing Bar and Silverlight | Aug 11 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | and making those broader platforms, essentially for free | Aug 11 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | and getting away with it | Aug 11 16:33 |
| MinceR | why do you keep forgetting the diacritic from Bìng? | Aug 11 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | Bong | Aug 11 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | OK Bong | Aug 11 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Bingo | Aug 11 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Bing piece of... | Aug 11 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has given up on users voluntarily using Bong | Aug 11 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | and now they're going to rape you with it | Aug 11 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | even if you use Firefox | Aug 11 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | Bong Bar says... "Tonight...you!" | Aug 11 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 16:34 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAKL3Og-zGc | Aug 11 16:35 |
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| DaemonFC | Bong Bar | Aug 11 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | Tonight....you! | Aug 11 16:35 |
| schestowitz | symbian-kde mixup: http://vizzzion.org/blog/2010/07/launching-the-symbian-developer-cooperative/ | Aug 11 16:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Launching the Symbian Developer Cooperative « vizZzion.org :: sebas' blog .::. Size~: 17.68 KB | Aug 11 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Bong for the Buck | Aug 11 16:37 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Microsoft. Bong pays YOU! | Aug 11 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, How sustainable is it to essentially just pay everyone millions of dollars to agree to carry your product so you can make 10% of that money back in advertising? | Aug 11 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | I was thinking Bong would just fizzle out, but SweatyB is doubling down on it | Aug 11 16:38 |
| *MinceR is annoyed by blogs where the author makes announcements about themselves but who they are is not revealed anywhere | Aug 11 16:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] ACTRA's Ferne Downey says fix C-32 - seeking extension of private copying levy http://bit.ly/a3VRAh | Aug 11 16:39 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ferne Downey: Building on private copying is one way to fix Canadian copyright bill | Vancouver, Canada | Straight.com .::. Size~: 77.01 KB | Aug 11 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYMH3qrHFEM | Aug 11 16:40 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft Firefox is their best product yet | Aug 11 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 11 16:42 |
| MinceR | not Microsoft Linux? | Aug 11 16:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Off work for 3 days to record the new Severed Fifth album which will be streamed live at http://is.gd/dPC6U starts at 10am Pacific. | Aug 11 16:42 | |
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| DaemonFC | nah, even Microsoft Linux isn't good enough for jono | Aug 11 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | so it's not good enough for me either | Aug 11 16:43 |
| MinceR | nah, he'll soon be in charge of one of its editions, you'll see | Aug 11 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | Susebuntu 11.04, the Gordon Geeko | Aug 11 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | with your friendly sockpuppet, jono bacon | Aug 11 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | What's in this month's patent pack? It's BACON!!!! Bacon bacon bacon bacon, it's BACON!!!! | Aug 11 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 16:45 |
| jono | lol | Aug 11 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2607/1207084908399279f4f80vt9.jpg | Aug 11 16:47 |
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| DaemonFC | I found the Jono7 Burger receipt | Aug 11 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4696/120708532656127a0afacqt2.jpg | Aug 11 16:48 |
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| DaemonFC | in honor of The Man himself | Aug 11 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | well, Steve Ballmer is The Man, but jono can use it as an honorary title | Aug 11 16:49 |
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| MinceR | couldn't make a smaller picture? | Aug 11 16:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rosenauer.org/blog/2010/07/12/mozilla-summit-2010/ " | Aug 11 16:50 |
| schestowitz | And once Firefox 4 with WebGL support will be out we will hit again the problematic situation on Linux about X.org, OpenGL and graphics drivers. (And for this moment I still need to embed the above video as Flash object to not ignore the people using non-WebM enabled browsers ;-) ) | Aug 11 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Aug 11 16:51 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 11 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | so what's the problem? | Aug 11 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | even software rendered OpenGL with Mesa is better than what they have now | Aug 11 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | and that's if you don't have some sort of real hardware with real drivers | Aug 11 16:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@frederikhermans #JeOS (#ubuntu based) is only a few 100MB iirc | Aug 11 16:52 | |
| MinceR | what, gnu/linux support is officially only an afterthought and they don't see anything wrong with that? | Aug 11 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I tried telling schestowitz that | Aug 11 16:53 |
| MinceR | also, what happened to theora, and what happened to linking to video files? | Aug 11 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | but he is in denial | Aug 11 16:53 |
| MinceR | extremely poor excuse for forcing users to use Adobe Trash | Aug 11 16:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@RichNeville well said. "Oops... We rebuilt... #Dubai. Targeting error!" #kbr #halliburton #cheney #daylightFuckingRobbery #iraq #war | Aug 11 16:53 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm wondering if the only thing keeping Firefox from h.264 is the patent licensing fees | Aug 11 16:53 |
| MinceR | i doubt it | Aug 11 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | they want to see if they can sidestep it and make VP8 the standard so they can save some money | Aug 11 16:54 |
| MinceR | i suspect that the MPEG-LA cartel would happily arrange an offer for them | Aug 11 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | right, indefinite free of charge patent license for Firefox | Aug 11 16:54 |
| schestowitz | ...One they can't refuse | Aug 11 16:54 |
| MinceR | say, remove Google from search offers and make Bìng default | Aug 11 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | small price to pay to make h.264 the undisputed standard | Aug 11 16:54 |
| MinceR | forever | Aug 11 16:54 |
| MinceR | or just what you say | Aug 11 16:54 |
| schestowitz | They can grab firefox by the tail and hurl it | Aug 11 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | well, that would be a real problem | Aug 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | SOnic and Tails | Aug 11 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | because Debian doesn't have "Firefox" | Aug 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | FirePox | Aug 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Has mobile edition | Aug 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | SmallPox | Aug 11 16:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 11 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | so the MPEG license wouldn't extend to Debian unless they agreed to Mozilla's trademark terms | Aug 11 16:56 |
| MinceR | do you think mozilla would care? | Aug 11 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | no, they'd be happy | Aug 11 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | official binaries for all! | Aug 11 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | joy! | Aug 11 16:56 |
| MinceR | another stick to beat distros with | Aug 11 16:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@frederikhermans i guess with x11, desktop env it's hard to do much better... a trim gui version sure would be handy for vms #ubuntu | Aug 11 16:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/336533 "while they're at it, it would be nice if they changed their name to gnugle, but given all the custom ubuntu systems they use, i'm sure @markshuttlecock would prefer "ubugle"" | Aug 11 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | FirefEXE | Aug 11 16:58 |
| MinceR | Live!fox | Aug 11 16:58 |
| *schestowitz loves Firefox | Aug 11 16:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] *does* #ubuntu offer a slim gui package set tailored for vms or small machines? #virtualbox | Aug 11 16:58 | |
| DaemonFC | love blinds | Aug 11 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 11 16:59 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45457053#notice-45811206 "I think they mean linux as a desktop which is a whole different thing." | Aug 11 16:59 |
| MinceR | venetian? | Aug 11 16:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Raimondo: Smearing Bradley Manning http://bit.ly/ceLerF | Aug 11 16:59 | |
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| schestowitz | See, that's why we ought not have called the whole desktop just generic "Linux" | Aug 11 16:59 |
| MinceR | the anti-FSF trolls don't care | Aug 11 17:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Worldwide PC sales are ‘falling off a cliff,’ analyst warns - http://bit.ly/beXVGZ the decline and fall of the desktop (via @mrhinkle) #pcs | Aug 11 17:00 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Worldwide PC sales are ‘falling off a cliff,’ analyst warns. :: Editor’s Blog at Local Tech Wire .::. Size~: 22.38 KB | Aug 11 17:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I got Crunchbang installed on my craptop | Aug 11 17:00 |
| MinceR | and neither do the ignorant masses | Aug 11 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | the new Debian Edition | Aug 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | not the jon7 edition | Aug 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | *jono7 | Aug 11 17:01 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: is it good? | Aug 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | yes, very fast | Aug 11 17:01 |
| MinceR | how does it differ from debian stable? | Aug 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | even on ancient hardware | Aug 11 17:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: stop pinging jono in vain | Aug 11 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I bet it's wasting his valuable time and you do that on purpose | Aug 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They include stuff that isn't DFSG compatible | Aug 11 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | like Flash | Aug 11 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 17:02 |
| MinceR | where is he pinging jono? | Aug 11 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | other than that I think it's just the way they set it up by default | Aug 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | highlighting | Aug 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Triggering notifications and stuff | Aug 11 17:02 |
| MinceR | you can't highlight an offline user | Aug 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | He's online | Aug 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | He walks away when DaemonFC floods him | Aug 11 17:02 |
| MinceR | oh you don't mean bringing jono back by saying his name? | Aug 11 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | If you stand facing a mirror and say "Windows 7" three times, Jono appears behind you and asks you to join his band | Aug 11 17:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody @mrhinkle Worldwide PC sales are ‘falling off a cliff,’ analyst warns - http://bit.ly/beXVGZ | Aug 11 17:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Worldwide PC sales are ‘falling off a cliff,’ analyst warns. :: Editor’s Blog at Local Tech Wire .::. Size~: 22.38 KB | Aug 11 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | or so the legend goes | Aug 11 17:04 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 11 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Want some open culture? I've got Windows 7 Professional and a h.264/aac stream for you, of course you'll need a binary plug-in | Aug 11 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't get more open than that | Aug 11 17:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free software proponent @webmirk shows that #OpenSolaris is liberated from #Oracle now http://webmink.com/2010/08/11/links-for-2010-08-11/ | Aug 11 17:06 | |
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| schestowitz | "@webmink did you join OIN for the pool alone?" | Aug 11 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I wrote web mirk . Hehe | Aug 11 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You're free to jump in and collaborate as soon as you sign this totally open NDA | Aug 11 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 11 17:07 |
| MinceR | pool | Aug 11 17:08 |
| MinceR | pool's closed | Aug 11 17:08 |
| *schestowitz loves desktops | Aug 11 17:08 | |
| MinceR | 175737 < DaemonFC> MinceR, Want some open culture? I've got Windows 7 Professional and a h.264/aac stream for you, of course you'll need a binary plug-in | Aug 11 17:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 11 17:08 |
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| *MinceR prefers laptops | Aug 11 17:09 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You figure jono has a license to distribute those MP3s? | Aug 11 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | what is the deal with distributing MP3s you made out of your own material? | Aug 11 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had reason to care | Aug 11 17:10 |
| MinceR | not sure | Aug 11 17:10 |
| MinceR | the MPEG-LA license agreements tend to be extremely restrictive | Aug 11 17:11 |
| MinceR | not a good fit for "open culture" | Aug 11 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | check the tags, if it doesn't say Lame 3.98r, he's using an unauthorized encoder | Aug 11 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | Winamp is the only one with a licensed Lame encoder | Aug 11 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | and it affixes (r) at the end | Aug 11 17:11 |
| MinceR | Lamer? :> | Aug 11 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Aug 11 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I guess so | Aug 11 17:12 |
| MinceR | at least he has free vista7 to run winamp on | Aug 11 17:12 |
| MinceR | "free" | Aug 11 17:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It's a pity the "destroy" part wasn't a sham like the "rebuilding" part. But the profiteering from both phases was authentic. #iraq #war | Aug 11 17:12 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You don't get MP3 encoding in the shareware Winamp | Aug 11 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | that's what the "Pro" registration is for | Aug 11 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | the shareware edition can do FLAC, AAC, HE-AAC, and Vorbis (with the Extras pack installed) | Aug 11 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | and WMA | Aug 11 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | all WMA profiles :P | Aug 11 17:13 |
| schestowitz | I'm every WMA! | Aug 11 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | but no MP3 until you pay | Aug 11 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | and the AAC encoder in Winamp sucks | Aug 11 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's based on the ISO reference code | Aug 11 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's not much better than just using FAAC and calling it a day :P | Aug 11 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | except you get a patent license with Winamp | Aug 11 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 11 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | There's only two passable AAC encoders, one ships with iTunes, so forget that | Aug 11 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | the other is Nero's | Aug 11 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | Nero's is binary-only and proprietary, but at least it's a standalone cross-platform "thing" :P | Aug 11 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | not affixed to some bloated 500 GB media store with attached player | Aug 11 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 11 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | hypetunes | Aug 11 17:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] One thing I've noticed in tech media -- like in political media -- they take topic off the real debate. Linux vs blobs becomes GOOG vs MSFT | Aug 11 17:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Apple makes the only truly horrific Windows software, nothing else really comes close at that scale | Aug 11 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 17:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@sqlinthewild this one was surprisingly compliant http://youtu.be/QWUvwmDPMyQ #cats #videos | Aug 11 17:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | so yeah, Safari runs on Windows, but don't think you can just get Safari | Aug 11 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | it won't accept VLC's Mozilla plugin, or Windows Media Player, you have to use Quicktime | Aug 11 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | and once you have Quicktime, it tries pulling in iTunes | Aug 11 17:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sad Nokia Wants You To Know It's Activating 300,000 Smartphones Daily http://ur1.ca/1307h Long live the desktop? | Aug 11 17:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | and now you have about a gigabyte of crap installed and about a dozen system services because you wanted to try out their browser | Aug 11 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | including their own Zeroconf service (Bonjour) which can break your internet connection | Aug 11 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | and/or cause Windows to fail to boot | Aug 11 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 17:20 |
| MinceR | it's not a browser, it's malware | Aug 11 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's what caused me to sell my ipod on ebay | Aug 11 17:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@karmacakedotca Why let facts get in the way of a good bombing. #iran | Aug 11 17:21 | |
| DaemonFC | Crapple's system services eventually caused Vista to not boot | Aug 11 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | after I applied SP2 | Aug 11 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | and when I got it to boot, it broke my internet connection and my printing | Aug 11 17:22 |
| MinceR | great products, just working together? | Aug 11 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Aug 11 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | hypepod is not a seamless premium user experience | Aug 11 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's an insipid torture device that causes a Windows user to want to pry their own eyes out with a fork after dealing with it for a while | Aug 11 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I'm bemused at libimobiledevice | Aug 11 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | the damned things don't even work right on platforms Apple "supports" | Aug 11 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | it works so poorly on Windows that not working at all on Linux almost seemed like bliss | Aug 11 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 11 17:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Cycle Of Copyright: Originally A Tool For Censorship, Attempted As Tool For Incentives... Back To Tool For Censorship - http://bit.ly/cYwJFv | Aug 11 17:26 | |
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| MinceR | nice article | Aug 11 17:32 |
| MinceR | i didn't know that | Aug 11 17:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ten Principles for Opening Up Government Information - http://bit.ly/ahU4VV "each principle exists along a continuum of openness" #ogov | Aug 11 17:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Discovery Channel Ignores Repeated Twitter Questions, Sends Content-Free Statement http://dlvr.it/3g8Jv | Aug 11 17:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Lisp and #Zen | Aug 11 17:43 | |
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| jpark1 | Saw the post on Directions. Not remotely accurate. | Aug 11 17:48 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Walmart is no longer carrying the Zune | Aug 11 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | just ipod and various brands such as Sony, Samsung, RCA, etc. and their in-store brands | Aug 11 17:50 |
| MinceR | wow, another drive-by troll | Aug 11 17:50 |
| MinceR | or yuhong switched nyms | Aug 11 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | the RCA Lyra has beaten the Zune! hooray | Aug 11 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | The Lyra brand is so obscure that even calling it that lobbies it into a lesser degree of sucktitude, and it's still on the shelf and Zune isn't | Aug 11 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | *lobs | Aug 11 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | that amused me | Aug 11 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I remember when stores were actually pushing the Lyra | Aug 11 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | (like <2000) | Aug 11 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | I liked it because it was the first MP3 player I had that used USB | Aug 11 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | Nothing quite like a Parallel Port MP3 player on Windows 98 | Aug 11 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | you want to talk Plug and Pray, that was it | Aug 11 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | as I recall, Plug and Play used to be so unreliable that Windows NT had it turned off by default | Aug 11 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | because it was actually easier to figure out the settings for the device yourself | Aug 11 17:57 |
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| DaemonFC | hey MinceR | Aug 11 17:58 |
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| DaemonFC | there might be a reward for this one | Aug 11 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 17:58 |
| MinceR | bad joke | Aug 11 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 11 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | "When the change is located, the OS then examines the information in the device to figure out what it is. It then has to load up the appropriate device drivers in order to make it work. In the past this was an all-or-nothing affair, but modern operating systems often include the ability to find the proper driver on the Internet and install it automatically." -Wikipedia | Aug 11 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I had such an experience with a Linksys WMP54G adapter in Windows 7 | Aug 11 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | the driver it pulled down from Microsoft that had WHQL certification and everything had so much packet loss it was unusable when it wasn't causing blue screens of death | Aug 11 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | eventually I uninstalled that driver and forced it to use a Windows Vista driver for generic Ralink RT61 chipsets | Aug 11 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | and it works fine now | Aug 11 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Microsoft is paid to knowingly host bad drivers to make people give up and go buy new hardware | Aug 11 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | [17:50] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Walmart is no longer carrying the Zune | Aug 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Any word in the news yet? | Aug 11 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | [17:45] --> jpark1 has joined this channel (47a40831@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.164.8.49). | Aug 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | [17:48] <jpark1> Saw the post on Directions. Not remotely accurate. | Aug 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | [17:49] <-- jpark1 has left this server (Client Quit). | Aug 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | 71.164.8.49 resolves to | Aug 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | "redgate1.directionsonmicrosoft.com" | Aug 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Top Level Domain: "directionsonmicrosoft.com" | Aug 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Country IP Address: UNITED STATES | Aug 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | *LMAO* | Aug 11 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | they probably don't want to make an issue of it | Aug 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | [17:50] <MinceR> wow, another drive-by troll | Aug 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | yes, Paul is a troll maybe | Aug 11 18:18 |
| MinceR | maybe? | Aug 11 18:19 |
| MinceR | join, make unexplained accusation, part | Aug 11 18:19 |
| MinceR | what could that be other than trolling? | Aug 11 18:19 |
| MinceR | yuhong does this all the time | Aug 11 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, he did not say why it's not accurate | Aug 11 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Gotta love it when people do that. | Aug 11 18:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Live in the Severed Fifth studio now - join us! http://bit.ly/4nJmbr #severedfifth | Aug 11 18:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @lexfest: The Lexington Ave Arts & Fun Festival 2010 Lineup Announced: http://ow.ly/2odQ7 Yet another reason I love living in #Asheville | Aug 11 18:21 | |
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| MinceR | exactly | Aug 11 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes they just curse the messenger and they are done with that | Aug 11 18:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how do you tell they dropped Zune? | Aug 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | maybe not all shops yet? | Aug 11 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | the one here no longer carries them | Aug 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | What criteria for a generalisation? | Aug 11 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | buying decisions take place on at least a regional level | Aug 11 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | that includes most stores within a few hundred miles of here | Aug 11 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | and it wouldn't make sense to just drop it from stores in Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio | Aug 11 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | so I assume it's gone | Aug 11 18:23 |
| schestowitz | [18:19] <MinceR> yuhong does this all the time | Aug 11 18:24 |
| schestowitz | In case the paste didn't make it clear, that was posted from their own HQ/IP | Aug 11 18:24 |
| schestowitz | It could have just said "directionsonmicrosoft joins the channel" | Aug 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Would be less credible | Aug 11 18:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FFII France at the RMLL meeting 2010, interview of Rene Mages about software patents: http://ur1.ca/132pw | Aug 11 18:25 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Grocery items tend to be the most region specific stuff | Aug 11 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | general merchandise is pretty much the same everywhere | Aug 11 18:26 |
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| DaemonFC | at least 95% of the time :P | Aug 11 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | each store carries some unique stuff, but it's not much | Aug 11 18:26 |
| MinceR | yes, i realized after guessing | Aug 11 18:26 |
| MinceR | i did a host lookup then | Aug 11 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | enough to say "Hey, we carry jackets with the local high school football team logo on them" | Aug 11 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | or "Hey, these vegetables were grown in Indiana!" | Aug 11 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | "That's local!" | Aug 11 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | and even the slots for local merchandise is pretty much centrally planned | Aug 11 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | like the store layout will say "Insert local items, here, here, and here" | Aug 11 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | so even the local items are in the same parts of the store in every store | Aug 11 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | having a specialized layout for every store's merchandise makes the whole operation less efficient than having the same merchandise in 5,000 stores | Aug 11 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | the most expensive stores to operate are in California | Aug 11 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I wished he stayed longer | Aug 11 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | where some localities have passed resolutions limiting the effective zoning of combined general merchandise/grocery stores to under 100,000 sq feet | Aug 11 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | so Walmart has special 99,000 sq foot stores | Aug 11 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | and exclusive grocery stores and such | Aug 11 18:30 |
| schestowitz | They are based near Microsoft's HQ and I wanted to ask, "do you ever advise customer to consider something like, you know... OTHER than Microsoft?{" | Aug 11 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | the Walmart grocery stores are running at break even conditions | Aug 11 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | their goal isn't to make money, it's area denial | Aug 11 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | It's like saying "We can't wedge in a supercenter here yet, so we'll inject one of these things to destroy all the local grocery stores and make the community dependent on our presence" | Aug 11 18:32 |
| schestowitz | "By Matt Asay" http://gigaom.com/2010/08/07/iphone-app-exchange-wheres-the-open-source-love/ | Aug 11 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | that way it's also a soft target to get the laws changed later and shove in a supercenter into a newly created soft target | Aug 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | He writes for Om now? | Aug 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Om's blog used to be veyr busy | Aug 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Then Om got overworked | Aug 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Had a heart attacj | Aug 11 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Remember to support your Walmart Neighborhood Market! | Aug 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Limited work and the blog no longer gets much done | Aug 11 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | Those Oranges are grown in California! :D | Aug 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I don't | Aug 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: by imigrants | Aug 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | immigrants | Aug 11 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart uses localization as a front | Aug 11 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | to make the locals more comfortable with their presence | Aug 11 18:34 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ? | Aug 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too | Aug 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what about? | Aug 11 18:34 |
| MinceR | 192503 < schestowitz> MinceR: I don't | Aug 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Odd. | Aug 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | What did I mean there? | Aug 11 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft and Walmart are very much the same | Aug 11 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | at least in business practices | Aug 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Weird | Aug 11 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | organizational layout | Aug 11 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | etc. | Aug 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | I don't recall typing that | Aug 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Or why | Aug 11 18:35 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: perhaps it was meant for DaemonFC | Aug 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Now I remember | Aug 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | About ASDA | Aug 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I pictured you like the Daemon | Aug 11 18:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1748726&cid=33199352 Well deserved mod points for #wikileaks rant by #copponex. #iraq #afghanistan | Aug 11 18:36 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The store's central inventory computers run on SLES | Aug 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | You have no image | Aug 11 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | but all the point of sale terminals use Windows | Aug 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they used to be on Red hat | Aug 11 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | mostly XP Embedded | Aug 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | But they are buddies with Microsoft now | Aug 11 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | they replaced the handhelds with Windows CE a while back | Aug 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Kevin Turner and all... monopolisers | Aug 11 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | it was SCO Unixware | Aug 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates is a MASSIVE Wal-mart investor | Aug 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Just doubled him investment in them too | Aug 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Charity... | Aug 11 18:37 |
| *DaemonFC has used SCO Unix | Aug 11 18:37 | |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | To Wal-Mart | Aug 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Yaweh bless him! | Aug 11 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The old SCO Unix terminals sucked, but Windows CE is worse | Aug 11 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | at least the SCO terminals reset quickly when you lost your wireless signal | Aug 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Does Asay still use his hypePhone? | Aug 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Anyone knows...? | Aug 11 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | the CE ones have the same problems, but they like to freeze randomly and you have to take the battery pack out to get them to shut down | Aug 11 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | everything Windows CE touches turns to crap | Aug 11 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a mummy's curse | Aug 11 18:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Those small planes have a limited bad karma capacity. Maybe that's why Palin insists on only really big planes. | Aug 11 18:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft managed to con Sega into loading each Dreamcast with Windows CE and DirectX as one of its two systems | Aug 11 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | so there were two SDKs | Aug 11 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and any game made for CE was buggy and slow | Aug 11 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | just think about all the licensing costs to lob CE on there | Aug 11 18:41 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i do have an avatar, but it isn't a photo :> | Aug 11 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | then Microsoft stopped toying around with the idea of third party Windows CE deals, and made their own system for bad PC ports | Aug 11 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | which at least used the "real" Windows and the "real" DirectX :P | Aug 11 18:42 |
| MinceR | so at least the suxbox had drive letters? :> | Aug 11 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | Making a console game with Windows CE and a subset of DirectX 6 | Aug 11 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | like making a bookshelf out of mashed potatoes | Aug 11 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | notice all these cheap ARM netbooks with Windows CE dressed up to look like XP? | Aug 11 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | boy aren't any buyers gonna be pissed when they find out it doesn't run any Windows XP applications | Aug 11 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.osnews.com/story/21697/NVIDIA_WinCE_Better_for_ARM_Netbooks_than_Android_Linux | Aug 11 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia is probably well paid to say this | Aug 11 18:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 11 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | Windows CE is a "rock solid OS that's been shipped billions of times" -Nvidia | Aug 11 18:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 11 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | "Our hardware doesn't work on Android, so Android sucks" -Nvidia | Aug 11 18:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IP Summit in Brussels, plenty of pro-software patent companies and proponents of a central patent court: http://ur1.ca/133kb | Aug 11 18:47 | |
| MinceR | i don't see why they're pushing android on smartbooks | Aug 11 18:47 |
| MinceR | when there are dozens of GNU/Linux distros available for them | Aug 11 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | Translation: "We backed the wrong horse and now all we can do is fudge and hope someone believes it" | Aug 11 18:47 |
| MinceR | with actual functionality and actual openness | Aug 11 18:48 |
| MinceR | i don | Aug 11 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | And what about more general Linux systems, such as Ubuntu and Moblin? NVIDIA has even less enthusiasm for them. "The world soundly rejected the first netbooks that came out with Linux," Rayfield said, "Printers didn't work, and devices didn't get recognized. The whole thing was a mess." | Aug 11 18:48 |
| MinceR | i don't get how is it possible to be so stupid to back wince when android was already out | Aug 11 18:48 |
| MinceR | wince was an obvious loser way before that point | Aug 11 18:48 |
| MinceR | these assholes should shut up and go back to doing what they have a clue about -- gpus and their drivers | Aug 11 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | so they're saying Windows CE supports more printers and "devices" than Linux? | Aug 11 18:49 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 11 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt that | Aug 11 18:49 |
| MinceR | yes, they are | Aug 11 18:49 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll also come back and say that wince also has more reliable alarms | Aug 11 18:49 |
| MinceR | and we get to laugh again | Aug 11 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | I know at least with just about every HP printer I've ever plugged into a Linux box, everything worked | Aug 11 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | no fuss | Aug 11 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | even the scanner | Aug 11 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | Windows CE probably can't even do that | Aug 11 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | much less operate with any old dime store printer model | Aug 11 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | Tegra is a failed platform | Aug 11 18:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Commission is pushing for patents in ACTA in order to create a legal base for the Community Patent, says PCimpact: http://ur1.ca/133ss | Aug 11 18:51 | |
| DaemonFC | DirectCompute and OpenCL are pretty generic | Aug 11 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | and well supported on non-Nvidia GPUs | Aug 11 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see a future for a proprietary GPU computing API | Aug 11 18:52 |
| MinceR | neither do i | Aug 11 18:52 |
| MinceR | it's just like glide vs. opengl | Aug 11 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Aug 11 18:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ISPs will be responsible of patent infringements of their users if patents are in ACTA, says PCimpact, EU pushing for it http://ur1.ca/133ss | Aug 11 18:53 | |
| DaemonFC | why mess around with Tegra when you can just write your app to use DirectCompute or OpenCL, once, and run it on any modern GPU? | Aug 11 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | without paying for the privilege of a one platform SDK even | Aug 11 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | On January 3rd, 2010, Tegra2 support for the Ubuntu GNU/Linux distro was announced by Nvidia support on Nvidia dev forum.[6] | Aug 11 18:54 |
| MinceR | the ARM platform could use some reasonable GPUs already | Aug 11 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Gee, only a year after they said Ubuntu was the suck | Aug 11 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | and Windows CE was awesome | Aug 11 18:54 |
| MinceR | Intel certainly isn't going to provide any | Aug 11 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | The Atom is laughably terrible | Aug 11 18:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Foss – Strengthening the Indian Software Industry http://ur1.ca/133y6 #india #freedom #Bharat | Aug 11 18:55 | |
| MinceR | since they were stupid enough to sell XScale | Aug 11 18:55 |
| MinceR | and now desperately hope for ARM to die, which isn't happening | Aug 11 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | at least the Atom supports X86-64 now | Aug 11 18:56 |
| MinceR | meanwhile other GPU designers couldn't be bothered to provide real free drivers for Linux | Aug 11 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | ATI is the closest that dedicated GPU hardware has to functional FOSS drivers | Aug 11 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's actually sad | Aug 11 18:57 |
| MinceR | which is a pretty desperate situation | Aug 11 18:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] George Soros Open Source Institute Inquiry on #Wikileaks http://cryptome.org/0002/wikileaks-soros.htm "do not support Wikileaks.org." | Aug 11 18:57 | |
| DaemonFC | Well, they gave up on accessing the actual registers and started screwing around with AtomBIOS | Aug 11 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | now they decided to kill even more performance with Gallium3d | Aug 11 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | the next step is when Vesa looks like a pretty good option I guess | Aug 11 18:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 11 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | the Classic Mesa drivers for any given hardware is at least twice as fast as the coresponding Gallium3d driver | Aug 11 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | have you noticed that? | Aug 11 18:59 |
| MinceR | i haven't screwed around with drivers much | Aug 11 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | My understanding is that Gallium flushes potential performance down the crapper | Aug 11 19:00 |
| MinceR | non-powervr intel just works, nvidia needs the nonfree driver and that's that | Aug 11 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | in order to provide a nice abstraction layer that performs badly everywhere | Aug 11 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | with fairly generic code | Aug 11 19:00 |
| MinceR | i don't have other GPUs with which i actually do 3d | Aug 11 19:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Tools Turn WikiLeaks Into Illustrated Afghan Meltdown (Updated) http://ur1.ca/13495 #freesoftware enables truth | Aug 11 19:02 | |
| DaemonFC | open source GPU drivers are a morass | Aug 11 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | hell, the entire GPU situation on FOSS operating systems for that matter | Aug 11 19:03 |
| MinceR | the entire GPU situation on any system for that matter | Aug 11 19:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Music Festival Producer Pre-Sues Bootleggers http://dlvr.it/3gHNz | Aug 11 19:04 | |
| DaemonFC | It's an embarrassment to FOSS that they can't get the same level of performance out of the same GPU that Windows or OS X can | Aug 11 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | to be honest | Aug 11 19:04 |
| MinceR | it's an embarrassment to GPU designers, actually | Aug 11 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | The Mac has great ATI performance | Aug 11 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | The Mac? Really? | Aug 11 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | yes the Mac outperforms any other *nix OS | Aug 11 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those things that makes your head hurt when you think about it for a minute | Aug 11 19:07 |
| MinceR | why the "other"? | Aug 11 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | well, because there's not just Linux | Aug 11 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | there's the BSDs which are even more horrible when it comes to ATI support | Aug 11 19:07 |
| MinceR | and how hard ATI's drivers fail really can't make my head hurt | Aug 11 19:07 |
| MinceR | i know the only thing they have any interest in is flaming nvidia and intel | Aug 11 19:07 |
| MinceR | not coding drivers that are usable for anything | Aug 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | [18:41] <MinceR> schestowitz: i do have an avatar, but it isn't a photo :> | Aug 11 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I know | Aug 11 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | their Windows drivers work | Aug 11 19:08 |
| MinceR | sometimes | Aug 11 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe MinceR is taller than DaemonFC | Aug 11 19:08 |
| MinceR | to some extent | Aug 11 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have my display randomly black out various windows or widgets for no reason | Aug 11 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | or just crash entirely due to the driver | Aug 11 19:08 |
| MinceR | you don't have that .net-based control panel that slows down system startup and is itself slow? | Aug 11 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | actually, every time I've managed to blue screen Windows 7 it's been USB related it seems | Aug 11 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | I've blue screened it with my webcam and my old USB Netgear wifi antenna that I ended up throwing away | Aug 11 19:09 |
| MinceR | i guess they dropped the usb code and had a monkey rewrite it for vista | Aug 11 19:09 |
| MinceR | then again, even xp sometimes fucks up with usb | Aug 11 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, USB gadgets worked better on XP than in Vista/7 | Aug 11 19:10 |
| schestowitz | [18:47] <DaemonFC> Translation: "We backed the wrong horse and now all we can do is fudge and hope someone believes it" | Aug 11 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is not a horse, don't insult horses | Aug 11 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | I've never actually plugged a USB device in and crashed Windows XP | Aug 11 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's happened plenty of times with Vista | Aug 11 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | and a few times with Windows 7 | Aug 11 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | not since Windows 98 have I managed to crash Windows with USB devices like I was with Vista | Aug 11 19:11 |
| schestowitz | [18:55] <DaemonFC> The Atom is laughably terrible | Aug 11 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I've become apathetic to my own plight most of the time whenever Windows does something bad to me, because even if there is a hotfix that sounds like it should fix the problem it usually doesn't, and frequently just breaks something else as well | Aug 11 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Did you know that for an nucleus the size of a marble you'd need to go 2 miles to reach the hair-thin electron? | Aug 11 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I used to think the scale was smaller | Aug 11 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, My favorite is when you go to delete something you don't have permission to delete and for some reason, the UAC elevation screen fails to come up | Aug 11 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | but the deletion dialog box stays there forever and you can't close it without rebooting the PC | Aug 11 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's enough to make me want to disable UAC entirely | Aug 11 19:14 |
| schestowitz | UAC defends... malicious programs from the user | Aug 11 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's actually more annoying when the prompt doesn't pop up now | Aug 11 19:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] About the Blue Waters project - http://bit.ly/dAXFGb details on that 10 petaflops #Linux #supercomputer (via @jwb713) | Aug 11 19:15 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I love it when something is stuck open and won't die and then I remember I'm on Windows and there is no xkill | Aug 11 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's just salt in the wound by this point | Aug 11 19:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] BBC's Project Canvas specification not so open after all - http://bit.ly/cN4tEb now there's a surprise #projectcanvas #bbc | Aug 11 19:16 | |
| MinceR | UAC is equivalent to running everything as Admin anyway, except with more annoyance | Aug 11 19:16 |
| MinceR | they can easily circumvent UAC anyway if they want to | Aug 11 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, My CPU fan is rattling slightly | Aug 11 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | has been for a while | Aug 11 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | you figure a drop of 3 in 1 oil would fix that? | Aug 11 19:17 |
| MinceR | dunno | Aug 11 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | I tried dusting it with compressed air but that didn't really do anything | Aug 11 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Aug 11 19:20 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Aug 11 19:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody open is a vague term. "open to business..." | Aug 11 19:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody About the Blue Waters project - http://bit.ly/dAXFGb details on that 10 petaflops #Linux #supercomputer (via @jwb713) | Aug 11 19:21 | |
| MinceR | https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?q=ati+drivers+suck+on+windows | Aug 11 19:25 |
| MinceR | http://www.overclock.net/ati/476388-ati-drivers-really-do-suck.html | Aug 11 19:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz sure | Aug 11 19:25 | |
| MinceR | http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=965079 | Aug 11 19:29 |
| MinceR | http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7desktop/thread/055fe829-8798-463a-a116-6d414f076512 | Aug 11 19:29 |
| MinceR | etc. | Aug 11 19:29 |
| MinceR | http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/76434-15-sucks | Aug 11 19:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Fallible DNA evidence can mean prison or freedom - http://bit.ly/dyT8As another reason for a minimalist #DNA #database | Aug 11 19:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Study of #GNU #Linux in Education http://survey.education.txstate.edu/mrIWeb/mrIWeb.dll?I.Project=LPP | Aug 11 19:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Forrester: Congratulations Open Sourcers, You’re on the Winning Team - http://bit.ly/bRVMVq I love the way they tell us this as if it's news | Aug 11 19:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://members.shaw.ca/jeffv/halo2600.html | Aug 11 19:36 |
| MinceR | 201621 < MinceR> https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?q=ati+drivers+suck+on+windows | Aug 11 19:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaEj0ZS2UYg | Aug 11 19:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Collaborative Democracy: Beth Noveck on Reengineering Civic Life - http://bit.ly/d0yMh2 "decision-making power in hands of too few people" | Aug 11 19:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much all Windows software out there now will see XP SP2 and tell you to install SP3 | Aug 11 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | really I don't see why people are avoiding a free servidce pack | Aug 11 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | *service | Aug 11 19:42 |
| MinceR | free bugs? | Aug 11 19:43 |
| MinceR | free backdoors? | Aug 11 19:44 |
| MinceR | additional free DRM measures? | Aug 11 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't had any problems out of SP3 | Aug 11 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see why people are so terrified of spending a half hour letting it install in the background | Aug 11 19:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- Washing Machine Self Destructs ( Original ) http://youtu.be/364dzVsBs2o?a | Aug 11 19:45 | |
| MinceR | unsolicited reboots? | Aug 11 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xpsp3.asp | Aug 11 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | "I then installed a number of applications and technologies from Microsoft that bring XP roughly up to speed with Windows Vista" | Aug 11 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | There's something out there that can make XP crash that much? | Aug 11 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | damn | Aug 11 19:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why US Copyright Group abandoned its first two P2P lawsuits - http://bit.ly/9Dc95y sounds about right #copyright | Aug 11 19:46 | |
| DaemonFC | Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water..... | Aug 11 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | da da | Aug 11 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | da...da | Aug 11 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | da da da da da da.....SP3!!!!! | Aug 11 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | actually, XP was probably as problematic as Vista was when it was released | Aug 11 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | people have short memories | Aug 11 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | everyone was trying to wipe it out and go back to Windows 2000 or 98 or whatever | Aug 11 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | cause it was crashing all the time and didn't want to run lots of popular software | Aug 11 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's not entirely fair to call Windows XP RTM and SP3 the same system | Aug 11 19:48 |
| MinceR | nah | Aug 11 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | they did fix it, mostly, and you only had to live with it for 8 years in the mean time | Aug 11 19:49 |
| MinceR | that new skin for winblows 2000 wasn't that much of a change as vista | Aug 11 19:49 |
| MinceR | less new code stolen from *bsd and such :> | Aug 11 19:49 |
| MinceR | and the new skin was still 2d | Aug 11 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Is XP still good enough? No, XP with SP3 isn't as "good" as Windows Vista, but remember that it doesn't have to be. It only has to be good enough. And maybe it is. It's certainly good enough to make people forget all about Linux on the desktop." | Aug 11 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | -Paul Thurrott | Aug 11 19:50 |
| MinceR | perhaps less new DRM | Aug 11 19:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] French Citizen Beats Government to Trademarking HADOPI - http://bit.ly/cwYVLe *nice* (via @Coadec) #hadopi #france | Aug 11 19:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 11/8/2010: #Motorola #Droid 2 Surfaces, Ubuntu's Census Backlash http://techrights.org/2010/08/11/ubuntu-census-backlash/ | Aug 11 20:03 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/20884850532 "Dell doesn't have so much weight anymore, losing marketshare like crazy & nothing good in pipeline" | Aug 11 20:06 |
| schestowitz | "Androids heart is linux, but it's body is still just a custm window manager" http://twitter.com/stevejberry/status/20881606567 | Aug 11 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I guess Google could at least do a "Linux inside" sticker or something | Aug 11 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 11 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | CDex is GPL 3 now | Aug 11 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft had an article about audio glitching a while back that kind of tickled me | Aug 11 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | I've always ran the audio service at high priority and jammed everything into an incredibly huge buffer to avoid that | Aug 11 20:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] After Hundreds Of 'Empire State Of Mind' Parodies... Why Does EMI Suddenly Take One Down? http://dlvr.it/3gNbm | Aug 11 20:11 | |
| *DaemonFC offers to upgrade MinceR's library to iTunes Premium | Aug 11 20:17 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 20:17 |
| *MinceR declines | Aug 11 20:17 | |
| DaemonFC | why don't they call it what it is, repurchasing thousands of files you thought you bought the first time | Aug 11 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I said I don't care about DRM if they admit you're just renting it | Aug 11 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | they won't because renting a song for 99 cents is a bad deal | Aug 11 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | and it's obvious just by calling it that | Aug 11 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | instead they falsely advertised that you were buying a thing | Aug 11 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's a shame nobody sued over this | Aug 11 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think it would be an easy case to win right? | Aug 11 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | buying something implies that it's yours to keep | Aug 11 20:19 |
| MinceR | those who were clueful enough to know that didn't rent anything over hypeTunes | Aug 11 20:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] A Man, A Plan And A Sharpie: 'The Great Typo Hunt : NPR http://is.gd/edoEh This one is for all the copy-editors out there. | Aug 11 20:36 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You'd think Sandisk could have supported XSPF right? | Aug 11 20:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 11 20:48 |
| *DaemonFC feels weird using M3U for Vorbis files | Aug 11 20:48 | |
| MinceR | if XSPF was invented already | Aug 11 20:48 |
| MinceR | not sure if it was :) | Aug 11 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | as of 2009? | Aug 11 20:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OIN Adds Members From the EU Despite EU's Exclusion of Software Patents; ACTA Used 4 #swpats http://ur1.ca/138oq #ForgeRock #oin #acta #eu | Aug 11 20:51 | |
| MinceR | whenever that portable music player was designed | Aug 11 20:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @WSJ: How can you tell a CEO is lying? Look for words like "the team" and "the company" instead of "I" and "we" http://on.wsj.com/aakq9R | Aug 11 20:52 | |
| *DaemonFC gives MinceR some iTunes AAC with ASX playlists | Aug 11 20:52 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | the company needs you to be a team player | Aug 11 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's good for productivity | Aug 11 20:53 |
| MinceR | what | Aug 11 20:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @atbennett: RT @JohnGallant1: Getting started with desktop virtualization: Advice from @ITworld http://bit.ly/aNTNsN | Aug 11 20:53 | |
| DaemonFC | about that tweet | Aug 11 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | We're ISO certified! | Aug 11 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 11 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | ISO 9000 certified | Aug 11 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Management is more about ritual than effectiveness | Aug 11 20:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @linuxfoundation: IDC's Gillen calls Linux the undeniable winner with web infrastructure workloads. #linuxcon | Aug 11 20:56 | |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that | Aug 11 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 11 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | MPEG audio may use variable bitrate (VBR), accomplished via bitrate switching on a per-frame basis, but only layer III decoders must support it.[30][48][49][50] | Aug 11 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, the MPEG-LA and Thomson are so greedy that they've been known, frequently, to slap their seal of approval on decoder products that do not adhere to the MP3 standard | Aug 11 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's why older MP3 players freak out and either refuse to play VBR MP3 or constantly keep changing their calculation of total track length | Aug 11 21:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Xandros Might Let #Freespire Die Within Days http://ur1.ca/139bw signed a patent deal with Microsoft | Aug 11 21:07 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The last Freespire release is based on the April 2007 release of Ubuntu | Aug 11 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's been dead and cold for a good long time | Aug 11 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 21:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] http://is.gd/edrgT @jonobacon declares Gnome Shell is Red Hat. Ouch. And Ubuntu has net decided to ship it. But they are not forking. Hm. | Aug 11 21:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interesting Message Connects Bill Gates to Eugenics http://ur1.ca/139wp #patents #bp #scarcity | Aug 11 21:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Jeff Jarvis tells it how it is. Risking a Godwin. http://is.gd/edrWH #netneutrality #google #verizon #mustread | Aug 11 21:29 | |
| MinceR | http://www.treelobsters.com/2010/08/176-kepler.html | Aug 11 21:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Rupert Murdoch Suing The Sky Out Of Skype http://dlvr.it/3gWGl | Aug 11 21:34 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/08/11/online_dating_service_finds_iphone_owners_have_more_sex_partners.html | Aug 11 21:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @segphault: SCOTUS failed to provide clarity on software patents, now we need mutual patent defense arrangements like OIN. #linuxcon | Aug 11 21:38 | |
| DaemonFC | I must have three iphones and a blackberry that nobody told me about | Aug 11 21:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Standing ovation for Moglen #linuxcon | Aug 11 21:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @jzb: There's no line in our brain between freedom and profit-making, we're all in both businesses (paraphrased) Eben Moglen #LinuxCon | Aug 11 21:40 | |
| DaemonFC | "the survey found that iPhone users are more educated and affluent than users of other smartphones." | Aug 11 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | Is that why they need the most dumbed down phone out there? | Aug 11 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it depends how you define educated | Aug 11 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | do we consider Forestry majors? | Aug 11 21:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] http://is.gd/edsQ3 #mustread #netneutrality | Aug 11 21:41 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 21:41 |
| MinceR | why the "other"? | Aug 11 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?threadid=111949 | Aug 11 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 11 21:42 |
| MinceR | the hypePhone is not a smartphone | Aug 11 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | "After a number of pranksters uploaded videos of themselves "jailbreaking" demo iOS devices on display at Apple's retail stores, the company has blocked access to the website from its networks." | Aug 11 21:42 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 11 21:43 |
| MinceR | mirror time! | Aug 11 21:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] "The cloud is a cloudy phrase" Moglen #Linuxcon | Aug 11 21:43 | |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 11 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | "vandalizing equipment" | Aug 11 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | making equipment more useful = vandalism? | Aug 11 21:44 |
| MinceR | at crApple, it is | Aug 11 21:44 |
| MinceR | since the point of crApple products is that they're dumb and useless | Aug 11 21:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] http://is.gd/edtma is another #mustread. #netneutrality | Aug 11 21:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @jasonbrooks: Calling gpl3 a success... at the conf of the project the license couldn't manage to accomodate #linuxcon | Aug 11 21:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Walmart is No Longer Carrying the Zune“ and Microsoft’s IronPython is in Trouble http://ur1.ca/13bm6 #zune | Aug 11 22:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] General intro to MeeGo by Intel/Nokia tech. brass. Key for app. developers: ease of entry regardless of interface--phone to TV #Linuxcon | Aug 11 22:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Miller/Nokia still in the process of completely opening up MeeGo to the developer community. Done by end of year. #LInuxcom | Aug 11 22:06 | |
| schestowitz | [21:09] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, The last Freespire release is based on the April 2007 release of Ubuntu | Aug 11 22:08 |
| schestowitz | That's what I reckoned | Aug 11 22:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Speed/Intel. MeeGo will have app warehouse. Distributors can have their own branded app. storefront to it. #Linuxcon | Aug 11 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | [21:40] <DaemonFC> "the survey found that iPhone users are more educated and affluent than users of other smartphones." | Aug 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | No s*, SHerlock | Aug 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | In other news, expensive car owners tend to be well paid at work!! | Aug 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | That must be casaility in revrse | Aug 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Buy an expensive car and suddenly you land the job of your dreams | Aug 11 22:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 11 22:11 |
| MinceR | how educated can they be? | Aug 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | The cynic might say that hypePhone owners simply pay for sex | Aug 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I don't mean protitution | Aug 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Girls dig % | Aug 11 22:11 |
| MinceR | i mean, you don't have to be a genius to be able to handle a mouse with two buttons | Aug 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | $$ | Aug 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | You buy them a dinner or a vacation and bam | Aug 11 22:11 |
| MinceR | s/m$/ng/ | Aug 11 22:11 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Aug 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, another cynic would just say that gay people have more sex partners and thus the survey shows that hypePhone users are more probable than others to be gay | Aug 11 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <MinceR> how educated can they be? | Aug 11 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Smart people are not always paid well | Aug 11 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Ruthless people are | Aug 11 22:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Nokia/Miller will also have its own take on a MeeGo app store front. "Building an app store is hell." #Meego #Linuxcon Me: Yep! | Aug 11 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | Smartest people to walk this planet died modest or poor | Aug 11 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Mostly scientists | Aug 11 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [21:38] <DaemonFC> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/08/11/online_dating_service_finds_iphone_owners_have_more_sex_partners.html | Aug 11 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Wait until those same causality/relation dummies say that hypePhone and Macs make a person more gay | Aug 11 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | are you TRYING to give me more iphones I don't know about? | Aug 11 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 22:16 |
| MinceR | what's the hardest thing about buying a mac? telling your parents you're gay. | Aug 11 22:16 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 11 22:16 |
| schestowitz | That you're not | Aug 11 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 11 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | "Son, are you in there with a Macbook?" "Oh dear god, why couldn't it have been dirty magazines!?" "You're not my son, get out of this house right now!" | Aug 11 22:17 |
| schestowitz | If you buy a hype<something> you might as well gets a vasctomy with that | Aug 11 22:17 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 11 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, I wonder if hypephone users get more STDs than users of other phones? | Aug 11 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | or pay more child support | Aug 11 22:18 |
| schestowitz | The antenna sterilises them | Aug 11 22:19 |
| MinceR | no | Aug 11 22:19 |
| MinceR | being gay keeps them from conceiving children | Aug 11 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, we get it, you're gay | Aug 11 22:20 |
| MinceR | the antenna doesn't work anyway | Aug 11 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | stop deflecting! | Aug 11 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 22:20 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: no u | Aug 11 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 11 22:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 11 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | no, you! | Aug 11 22:20 |
| MinceR | abcdefghijklmnopqrst vwxyz | Aug 11 22:20 |
| schestowitz | I know vwxyz | Aug 11 22:21 |
| schestowitz | He lives on one of the -stans | Aug 11 22:21 |
| MinceR | that's not the point | Aug 11 22:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @linuxquestions: The upstream first philosophy is key to the future meego strategy. There will be no bifurcation. #linuxcon | Aug 11 22:21 | |
| MinceR | the point is which letter is missing | Aug 11 22:21 |
| schestowitz | 're mad | Aug 11 22:22 |
| MinceR | lol u mad? | Aug 11 22:22 |
| schestowitz | go back to bunt | Aug 11 22:22 |
| MinceR | http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/f2/Trollface_More_HD.png | Aug 11 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Twilight | Aug 11 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 11 22:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 11 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Windows_7 | Aug 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | "Windows 7. Built by Mexicans under the direction of Chiquita Banana." | Aug 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | If you are homosexual, see Mac OS X; if you do not shave and/or shower, see Linux | Aug 11 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 11 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'd rather be a well groomed Mac user | Aug 11 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | who knew | Aug 11 22:27 |
| MinceR | i'm a well groomed GNU/Linux user :> | Aug 11 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Linux | Aug 11 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | "Kernel Panic: NTLDR not detected." | Aug 11 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Aug 11 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/16/Cybersex.jpg | Aug 11 22:29 |
| *DaemonFC falls out of his chair | Aug 11 22:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great New Example of Why #GNU #Linux is Inherently More Secure Than #Windows http://ur1.ca/13c7j | Aug 11 22:30 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think it's pretty damned funny that Apple has a built in anti-malware system on OS X now | Aug 11 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | that they are in no rush to mention publicly | Aug 11 22:33 |
| MinceR | they don't like competition | Aug 11 22:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 11 22:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Nokia/Miller: Symbian is not going away. Very good for low-cost devices. #Linuxcon | Aug 11 22:35 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmm http://www.telos-systems.com/techtalk/hosted/Brandenburg_mp3_aac.pdf | Aug 11 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | Should read "MPEG demonstration source code is badly broken, and anyone can license our patents if they're rich, and then maybe they won't get sued." | Aug 11 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | emphasis on "maybe" | Aug 11 22:38 |
| MinceR | 232652 -BNtwitter:#boycottnovell- [sjvn] Nokia/Miller: Symbian is not going away. Very good for low-cost devices. #Linuxcon | Aug 11 22:39 |
| MinceR | but Linux is even better :> | Aug 11 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | more licensed MP3 implementors have been sued than implementers of supposedly "patent infringing" Ogg Vorbis | Aug 11 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | why doesn't the MPEG Cartel ever mention this? | Aug 11 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | even buying protection doesn't protect you | Aug 11 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | so why buy it? | Aug 11 22:40 |
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| Loco | Hello? | Aug 11 22:44 |
| MinceR | yes. | Aug 11 22:44 |
| Loco | Hi-de-hi. | Aug 11 22:44 |
| Loco | Um. This is very confusing for me. I basically followed a trail of random information and wound up here. | Aug 11 22:45 |
| Loco | What is "boycott novell"? | Aug 11 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | chaos theory | Aug 11 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | apparently | Aug 11 22:45 |
| MinceR | see http://TechRights.org | Aug 11 22:45 |
| Loco | Okay, will do. | Aug 11 22:46 |
| Loco | Any suggestions about where I start? There's a lot of stuff here. | Aug 11 22:46 |
| MinceR | scroll down to "Boycott Novell" -- there's also an introduction | Aug 11 22:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nearly Naked Women for OpenSUSE’s 5th Birthday? http://ur1.ca/13cd1 #OpenSUSE #suse #novell #linux #gender | Aug 11 22:47 | |
| ThistleWeb | pick a subject, any subject......OOXML / ISO the Microsoft / Novell deal etc | Aug 11 22:48 |
| Loco | Aha, thanks. I'll get reading. | Aug 11 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | MS Office is not selling like it used to anyway | Aug 11 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | the only people I see using it are people who got it subsidized real real cheap or who have bulk licensing deals | Aug 11 22:50 |
| MinceR | or don't know better | Aug 11 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've always avoided MS Office | Aug 11 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | even if I ended up having to use its formats in the end anyway | Aug 11 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | the constant interface changes for no reason should be enough to piss anyone off | Aug 11 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | nothing sucks worse than having to relearn how to use what's essentially the same software | Aug 11 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Ribbon UI is the dumbest interface I've ever seen from Microsoft | Aug 11 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | "Windows XP Professional—complete with Service Pack 2—delivers everything you demand from your computing experience." -Microsoft | Aug 11 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | they're still speaking well of a product that's out of support and 10 years old | Aug 11 22:54 |
| MinceR | so there's no need to buy vista or vista7? :> | Aug 11 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I thought :P | Aug 11 22:55 |
| MinceR | sadly, no version of winblows delivers what i demand from my computing experience | Aug 11 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2000 Professional was alright | Aug 11 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | XP just bloated it | Aug 11 22:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Is Apple Willing To Challenge Label's Claims That Streaming Purchased Music Needs A License? http://dlvr.it/3gdfZ | Aug 11 22:55 | |
| DaemonFC | "Windows XP does include a disk defragmentation utility, but it doesn't run automatically in the background so you have to remember to run it regularly." -Thurrott | Aug 11 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | Because apparently setting the Tash Scheduler to run defrag is impossible in Windows XP | Aug 11 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | *Task | Aug 11 22:57 |
| MinceR | well, for you it's easy... but to m$ slaves that's rocket surgery | Aug 11 22:58 |
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| Loco | Okay, so here's what I've established so far in my readings. | Aug 11 22:58 |
| Loco | Microsoft are evil bastards, correct? | Aug 11 22:58 |
| MinceR | obviously | Aug 11 22:59 |
| Loco | Also, somebody beat up a small child somewhere? | Aug 11 22:59 |
| MinceR | what. | Aug 11 22:59 |
| paranoir | wut | Aug 11 22:59 |
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| DaemonFC | lolwut!? | Aug 11 22:59 |
| Loco | I dunno, I'm sure there was something about that... | Aug 11 22:59 |
| paranoir | ~implode~ | Aug 11 22:59 |
| Loco | Never mind. | Aug 11 22:59 |
| Loco | So here's what I wanna know... | Aug 11 22:59 |
| Loco | How can I stop Microsoft from knowing about my preferences in porn? | Aug 11 22:59 |
| Loco | That could be bad for them to have against me. | Aug 11 23:00 |
| MinceR | don't use winblows on internet-connected boxes and don't use bìng to search for pr0n, i guess | Aug 11 23:00 |
| Loco | That's it? | Aug 11 23:00 |
| MinceR | there could be other measures | Aug 11 23:00 |
| Loco | Do tell. =] | Aug 11 23:00 |
| MinceR | but these are the ones that popped into my mind instantly | Aug 11 23:00 |
| Loco | Pffft, from what I've read Microsoft can practically read minds. | Aug 11 23:01 |
| MinceR | unlikely. | Aug 11 23:01 |
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| Loco | Damn. | Aug 11 23:01 |
| MinceR | m$ does seem to have an ad network | Aug 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer can't read minds | Aug 11 23:01 |
| MinceR | so you might have to block that | Aug 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | he just has to wing it | Aug 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 11 23:02 |
| MinceR | possibly read up on web bugs, but i don't know those too well. | Aug 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | EasyPrivacy list for Adblock Plus disables most web bugs | Aug 11 23:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @thepacketrat: "Femme fatale" - Hackers use "friend requests" from pretty girls to lure Facebook users to doom http://ow.ly/2oma1 | Aug 11 23:02 | |
| DaemonFC | NoScript can disable them | Aug 11 23:02 |
| Loco | I have that installed, (Adblock) | Aug 11 23:02 |
| Loco | I'll try the easyprivacy thing now | Aug 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | The ZuneHD uses Tegra | Aug 11 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 11 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | oh sorry, used Tegra | Aug 11 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's obviously dead now that Walmart isn't selling them | Aug 11 23:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 11 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart isn't in business to stock items that don't sell | Aug 11 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Zune lasted so long because Microsoft was paying them to not sell them | Aug 11 23:04 |
| MinceR | so walmart is after all in business to do that | Aug 11 23:05 |
| MinceR | as long as they're paid enough | Aug 11 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | they'll either sell them or keep them as long as they're compensated for not selling them | Aug 11 23:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] I'd like to thank SexxyHottHott for putting me over 1,000 Twitter followers... Whoops! There goes her account! Funny that. ;-) | Aug 11 23:06 | |
| DaemonFC | pulling the Zune means they're not selling and MS is not subsidizing them anymore | Aug 11 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Intersting that Loco brought this up | Aug 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Today I wrote a mail back to someone | Aug 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Then I reminded myself that he was posting from Hotmail | Aug 11 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | 16 GB Zune HDs on ebay | Aug 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | So I watered down name from that E-mail before posting | Aug 11 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | $96 | Aug 11 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 11 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | refurbs, lots of them | Aug 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Counts as anoher sale :-) | Aug 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is used to selling stuff it just "makes a copy of" | Aug 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Now they just bundle | Aug 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | So they sell just air | Aug 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Not plastic in cardboard (sometimes with some sheets of paper) | Aug 11 23:11 |
| Loco | I'm sorry if I seem a little dumb, but I'm new to all this "evil Microsoft" stuff. I mean, I know it's true but I don't understand how. | Aug 11 23:13 |
| Loco | What do you mean by selling copies? | Aug 11 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://cgi.ebay.com/16GB-3-Touch-Screen-RMVB-MP3-MP4-OGG-VIDEO-PLAYER-N-/130416143578?pt=Other_MP3_Players | Aug 11 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 11 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | $37 | Aug 11 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Loco: Microsoft does not sell a physical product | Aug 11 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | It makes a gratis copy of an existing product and hikes the price | Aug 11 23:15 |
| Loco | I'm aware of that, and how that means big money and all for sweet F.A | Aug 11 23:15 |
| Loco | but how did I remind you of that? | Aug 11 23:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you could go to a nice restaurant instead | Aug 11 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe find some lad with a real PMP like hypePod | Aug 11 23:15 |
| Loco | Ohhhh. | Aug 11 23:15 |
| Loco | I follow you now. | Aug 11 23:15 |
| Loco | I think. | Aug 11 23:15 |
| *DaemonFC installs Wine on schestowitz's computer and sets up Safari, Quicktime, and iTunes | Aug 11 23:16 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Safari! | Aug 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | You animal you !! :-) | Aug 11 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, apparently it's a real browser now | Aug 11 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | with extensions and everything | Aug 11 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Apple invented those you know? | Aug 11 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla stole them retroactively | Aug 11 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years ago | Aug 11 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | true story | Aug 11 23:18 |
| MinceR | did KDE steal the implementation retroactively as well? :> | Aug 11 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | sure | Aug 11 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | everybody stole everything Apple is ever going to invent | Aug 11 23:19 |
| MinceR | especially Xerox, right? | Aug 11 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla snuck into Apple HQ back in 1999 | Aug 11 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | and stole the "Implement extensions in Safari 11 years from now" secret documents | Aug 11 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | "We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas." -Steve Jobs | Aug 11 23:21 |
| Loco | How do you guys know all this stuff?! It's like trying to understand a real life version of The Matrix or something, and I was pretty dumb to begin with... | Aug 11 23:21 |
| MinceR | learning/working in IT, keeping one's eyes and ears open, reading news | Aug 11 23:22 |
| MinceR | looking up resources on the web | Aug 11 23:22 |
| MinceR | etc. | Aug 11 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Iway inkthay e'shay ankingyay ouryay ainchay | Aug 11 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Aug 11 23:22 |
| Loco | No, really. | Aug 11 23:24 |
| Loco | I'm serious. | Aug 11 23:24 |
| MinceR | E'shay oinggay otay avehay otay ebay esslay ubtlesay orfay atthay | Aug 11 23:24 |
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| Loco | Me or him? | Aug 11 23:25 |
| Loco | Hey! Here's a change of pace! Who likes the great taste of cheescake? | Aug 11 23:25 |
| Loco | Yum. | Aug 11 23:25 |
| Loco | *cheesecake, rather | Aug 11 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | Limburger cheesecake even | Aug 11 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | with sprinkled horseradish | Aug 11 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Aug 11 23:26 |
| schestowitz | The whole Texan flava' | Aug 11 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | nah, I'm pretty sure this would be German | Aug 11 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | if anything | Aug 11 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | those sauer krauts will eat anything | Aug 11 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | well, not TRULY anything | Aug 11 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | they'd be Chinese then | Aug 11 23:28 |
| Loco | German food is odd. Very processed, in my experience. | Aug 11 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | but they eat some disgusting things | Aug 11 23:28 |
| Loco | Korean dudes have no qualms about eating dogs. | Aug 11 23:29 |
| Loco | That seems sad. | Aug 11 23:29 |
| Loco | Some are very cute. | Aug 11 23:29 |
| Loco | And bring us papers. | Aug 11 23:29 |
| Loco | And slippers. | Aug 11 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there was a guy in Indianapolis who had his dog eaten by his Korean neighbors | Aug 11 23:29 |
| MinceR | they still stink, drool and attack randomly | Aug 11 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | so he grabbed his shotgun and took care of the asshole that killed his dog | Aug 11 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't blame him | Aug 11 23:29 |
| Loco | MinceR: Yeah, but so does my ex wife. | Aug 11 23:30 |
| MinceR | ew | Aug 11 23:30 |
| Loco | Had to be said. | Aug 11 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | no it didn't | Aug 11 23:30 |
| Loco | True. =] | Aug 11 23:30 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, restarting X server | Aug 11 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | you degrade yourself | Aug 11 23:30 |
| Loco | I degrade my ex wife. | Aug 11 23:31 |
| Loco | She deserves it. | Aug 11 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Aug 11 23:31 |
| Loco | Screwed the milkman. | Aug 11 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | but by extension you point out your deficient taste in women | Aug 11 23:31 |
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| DaemonFC | so you degrade yourself | Aug 11 23:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Connects #Mono and #FogComputing (Microsoft ‘Patent Tax’ Included) http://techrights.org/2010/08/11/mono-mist/ | Aug 11 23:31 | |
| Loco | I suppose so. But we all have flaws, there's no point in hiding them. I just like to come to terms with mine. | Aug 11 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | I like to pretend my mistakes never happened | Aug 11 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | to that end, I try never to speak of them again | Aug 11 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | after a while, people start to think you're pretty damned perfect | Aug 11 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | nigh messianic | Aug 11 23:33 |
| MinceR | "nobody is perfect but i'm pretty fucking close" | Aug 11 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | then before you know it, it's ego te absolvo in nomine DaemonFC | Aug 11 23:33 |
| Loco | People are easily influenced. | Aug 11 23:33 |
| Loco | Ooooh, latin. | Aug 11 23:34 |
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| DaemonFC | Ego te absolvo in nomine Patris, et Filiii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen. | Aug 11 23:34 |
| Loco | Prayer? | Aug 11 23:34 |
| *DaemonFC crosses schestowitz | Aug 11 23:34 | |
| DaemonFC | forgive schestowitz for he knows not what he does | Aug 11 23:35 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft is the alpha and the even more alpha | Aug 11 23:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] ... ... ... ... ... wut. http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=72867 | Aug 11 23:35 | |
| MinceR | Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. | Aug 11 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | such blasphemy, he's lucky they don't send their lawyers to smite him or, something | Aug 11 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.themonastery.org/ | Aug 11 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 11 23:37 |
| *DaemonFC fills out the form to ordain MinceR | Aug 11 23:37 | |
| DaemonFC | My cat is an archbishop | Aug 11 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 11 23:38 |
| MinceR | i have no need for gods other than myself | Aug 11 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how much money you have to send them to be declared their Pope | Aug 11 23:38 |
| Loco | What about John Frusciante? | Aug 11 23:38 |
| Loco | Everyone needs him. | Aug 11 23:38 |
| Loco | He's better than God. | Aug 11 23:38 |
| Loco | Plus he has a groovy beard now. | Aug 11 23:39 |
| Loco | It's the source of all his powers. | Aug 11 23:39 |
| MinceR | rather vulnerable power source, that | Aug 11 23:39 |
| MinceR | look what good it did to that guy called Samson | Aug 11 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not God | Aug 11 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not even the utmost authority as pertains to myself | Aug 11 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | All hail the state! | Aug 11 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | we are all owned by various governments | Aug 11 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | their property | Aug 11 23:40 |
| Loco | Yup. Sucks. | Aug 11 23:40 |
| Loco | I wanna be freeeee | Aug 11 23:40 |
| Loco | Like a bird | Aug 11 23:40 |
| Loco | Or a bum. | Aug 11 23:40 |
| Loco | But I'm sure all my hopes and dreams will soon be quashed. | Aug 11 23:41 |
| MinceR | or like an overgod. | Aug 11 23:41 |
| Loco | That would okay, too. | Aug 11 23:41 |
| Loco | Would I get to shoot lightning bolts? | Aug 11 23:41 |
| MinceR | sure | Aug 11 23:41 |
| MinceR | it's a 3rd level spell | Aug 11 23:41 |
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| Loco | Awww man. I kinda liked him/her. | Aug 11 23:42 |
| Loco | We've got all these random dudes just here, at the side. Not talking. | Aug 11 23:43 |
| Loco | Just... watching. | Aug 11 23:43 |
| MinceR | IRC is like that | Aug 11 23:43 |
| MinceR | and i'll join their ranks now. | Aug 11 23:43 |
| MinceR | gn | Aug 11 23:43 |
| Loco | Laters. | Aug 11 23:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Open Source continues to make gains http://tinyurl.com/352h8qt #microsoft #linux #windows #foss #mvp #mvpbuzz #xp #vista #windows7 | Aug 11 23:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @reality "Windows is easier than Linux, in the same way that crapping your pants is easier than going to the bathroom" #neckbeard | Aug 11 23:50 | |
| cubevector | lol | Aug 11 23:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/the-open-source-revolution-10014902/dumping-windows-moving-on-with-linux-10018207/ | Aug 11 23:59 |
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