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| schestowitz | You hide it in the basement and present the good NYC child instead | Aug 15 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, High crime, local liberals and their taxation laws | Aug 15 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | years of unions demanding more and more pay | Aug 15 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | well beyond what's even reasonable | Aug 15 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Eminem is coming back to Detroit for concert | Aug 15 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | time for a change of scenery | Aug 15 00:00 |
| schestowitz | He avoided it for FIEV YEARS | Aug 15 00:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | dosen't Detroit have something like 20% official unemployement now? | Aug 15 00:00 |
| schestowitz | His home town | Aug 15 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | We should give Detroit to Canada | Aug 15 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | help balance them out a bit | Aug 15 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | you know? | Aug 15 00:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | just do it before you knock all the vacant buildings down | Aug 15 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Move all the French speakers into those buildings | Aug 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | They are not vacant | Aug 15 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | see how they get along with the Bloods and the Crips | Aug 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Look at all the needles on the floor | Aug 15 00:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: um, no, the Quebecois like Quebec very much | Aug 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | More than they like English | Aug 15 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 15 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...? | Aug 15 00:03 |
| schestowitz | In some shops there I couldn't make an order without a translator | Aug 15 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in Quebec City? | Aug 15 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I meant Quebec the province | Aug 15 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Montreal's functionally bilingual. you'd have no problem there | Aug 15 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: much the same as any other major European hub | Aug 15 00:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | -other | Aug 15 00:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.nr0.htm | Aug 15 00:04 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: that's where I had trouble | Aug 15 00:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in Mtl? | Aug 15 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 15 00:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: when? | Aug 15 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Some food vchains | Aug 15 00:05 |
| schestowitz | *Chains | Aug 15 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Ages ago | Aug 15 00:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | " | Aug 15 00:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Of the 49 metropolitan areas with a Census 2000 population of 1 | Aug 15 00:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | million or more, Las Vegas-Paradise, Nev., registered the highest | Aug 15 00:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | unemployment rate in June, 14.5 percent. | Aug 15 00:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | i suppose i must have had, once or twice, but it's never a big deal to me, i don't expect every local to speak my language, that would be arrogant :) | Aug 15 00:05 |
| schestowitz | I was on vacation with a Canadian girlfriend | Aug 15 00:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The 14.2 percent figure I posted awhile back, was for the whole state | Aug 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: people who don't speak English are st00pid /sarcasm | Aug 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | If you assume the US/UK own the world | Aug 15 00:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: shoot them or re-educate them | Aug 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | And knowing many other languages doesn't count | Aug 15 00:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh, wait, that's in progress. | Aug 15 00:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | hooray for neo-Colonialism! | Aug 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | A Malaysian friend of mine speaks like 4 tongues | Aug 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: tell British tourists | Aug 15 00:07 |
| schestowitz | It's them who need to learn Spanish | Aug 15 00:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: shades of Monty Python | Aug 15 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Not the Spaniards needing to learn Enlglish to work in Spain | Aug 15 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | " | Aug 15 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Eleven of the most populous metropolitan areas comprise 34 metropol- | Aug 15 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | itan divisions, which are essentially separately identifiable employ- | Aug 15 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ment centers. In June, the two divisions that compose the Detroit- | Aug 15 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Warren-Livonia, Mich., metropolitan area registered the highest job- | Aug 15 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | less rates: Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, 15.4 percent, and Warren-Troy- | Aug 15 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Farmington Hills, 13.6 percent. | Aug 15 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Detroit, 15.4% official | Aug 15 00:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right, all the job opportunities i've looked at in EU have been English in English offices on non-English speaking countries. in tech, it's the rule. | Aug 15 00:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | English-speaking offices* | Aug 15 00:08 |
| MinceR | English-speaking orifices | Aug 15 00:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just double that percentage for the unofficial rates | Aug 15 00:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what you get then, looks more like the great depression | Aug 15 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Sheesh | Aug 15 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Use the D word and Obama will kickban you | Aug 15 00:12 |
| MinceR | obama is not opped | Aug 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | You incite panic | Aug 15 00:13 |
| MinceR | he's not even on the channel :> | Aug 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he is | Aug 15 00:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its why I try not to swear | Aug 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Judas_PhD | Aug 15 00:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Palin is the Biff Tannon we always knew would turn up. | Aug 15 00:13 | |
| MinceR | oh. | Aug 15 00:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Proudlib RT @BlackCanseco except it's not even close to 'ground zero'. Somehow the nutjobs have successfully injected this falsehood. | Aug 15 00:14 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Will Palin run for Prez next election? | Aug 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | president Oh Blah Blash | Aug 15 00:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Proudlib @BlackCanseco except it's not even close to 'ground zero'. Somehow the nutjobs have successfully injected this falsehood. | Aug 15 00:15 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just a stone throw's from Russia | Aug 15 00:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: who knows? it's a terrible question for anyone to have to ask | Aug 15 00:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I know people who will vote for her | Aug 15 00:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: things can't go on in this surreal vein. there are real problems to solve, not exacerbate | Aug 15 00:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: at least if you don't want to live like animals | Aug 15 00:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: tht's the saddest part of the whole thing | Aug 15 00:16 |
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| DaemonFC | http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2010/08/11/internet-explorer-turns-15-and-we-deliver-a-14-year-old-t-shirt.aspx | Aug 15 00:16 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Internet Explorer turns 15 and we deliver a 14 year old T-shirt .::. Size~: 70.61 KB | Aug 15 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | uggh | Aug 15 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz also tried to win an IE 3 T-Shirt | Aug 15 00:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | speaking of infant mortality. let's hope it never turns 16. | Aug 15 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | but when he didn't, he went off to use GNU/GNU | Aug 15 00:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | aptment complexes around here, are have signs on them for reduced rates, 1st month free, etc. they are about 1/3 full. Young people cannot aford them, and have to move back with their parents. No jobs here. | Aug 15 00:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | People are mad here, is what I see. That gave us Bush. This election could give us Palin, or even worse. | Aug 15 00:19 |
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| MinceR | gn | Aug 15 00:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cu | Aug 15 00:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the euroasians just cannot seem to stay up late | Aug 15 00:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | my point is when people get mad, they tend to vote against whoever is in office | Aug 15 00:21 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFc - the good old days | Aug 15 00:21 |
| ender2070 | lol | Aug 15 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | if Microsoft had sent schestowitz his XXXXL IE 3 shirt, Boycott Novell would never have happened | Aug 15 00:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yep | Aug 15 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | and GNU/GNU would have lost it's most ardent supporter | Aug 15 00:22 |
| ender2070 | interesting that we can't use java now | Aug 15 00:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cheapskates! | Aug 15 00:22 |
| ender2070 | SCOracle douche bags | Aug 15 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Java can be used | Aug 15 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, You can use Mono | Aug 15 00:22 |
| schestowitz | The press has a scare campaign | Aug 15 00:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A couple of free laptops and I might have gone away | Aug 15 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 00:23 |
| ender2070 | Oracle did what you guys feared MS would do with .NET and C# | Aug 15 00:23 |
| schestowitz | The scrwwed ones used Mono | Aug 15 00:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I never liked Oracle | Aug 15 00:23 |
| schestowitz | It[s stuck nowhere | Aug 15 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but schestowitz thinks Mono is still more dangerous | Aug 15 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason | Aug 15 00:23 |
| schestowitz | And ironruby and ironpython | Aug 15 00:23 |
| ender2070 | Java is just as much a trap as C# now | Aug 15 00:23 |
| ender2070 | with SCOracle | Aug 15 00:23 |
| ender2070 | they purchased sun just to sue google | Aug 15 00:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so what can Oracle do with OpenOffice (which still contains lots of Java code) and Virtualbox? | Aug 15 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | OOo = Banshee | Aug 15 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 15 00:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is Sparc dead? | Aug 15 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | SPORK!!! | Aug 15 00:25 |
| ender2070 | Illumos will be nice | Aug 15 00:25 |
| ender2070 | fuck scoracle though and its shit | Aug 15 00:25 |
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| ender2070 | Java, C# or Go? | Aug 15 00:25 |
| ender2070 | different answer this week :) | Aug 15 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no | Aug 15 00:26 |
| ender2070 | can't use java unless you're sanctioning mono | Aug 15 00:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mono is a disease, and Net is not working. Net really has not taking off like MS wanted it too | Aug 15 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Welcome to IE Beatz | Aug 15 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Loading audio, please wait... If this takes more than a few seconds, try refreshing the page. | Aug 15 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Loading... 0/27 audio elements | Aug 15 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry, this demo requires your browser to be able to play .mp3 files. Try it in Internet Explorer 9 for the best experience. | Aug 15 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 15 00:27 |
| ender2070 | java is also a disease | Aug 15 00:28 |
| ender2070 | use it and oracle will sue you over patents | Aug 15 00:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it is now | Aug 15 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | We have another "Safari HTML5" style playground | Aug 15 00:28 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Aug 15 00:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] New RW article: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Iscador - a form of cancer woo based on mistletoe extracts. | Aug 15 00:30 | |
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| ender2070 | with the oracle move, i dont see how anyone can logically use something like mono without fear | Aug 15 00:30 |
| ender2070 | oracle had been a huge OSS supporter, microsoft actively hates OSS | Aug 15 00:30 |
| schestowitz | was it? | Aug 15 00:31 |
| schestowitz | User | Aug 15 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Not supporter | Aug 15 00:32 |
| ender2070 | btrfs comes to mind | Aug 15 00:32 |
| ender2070 | they contribute a lot more code too than a lot of other linux companies (such as canonical) | Aug 15 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Akamai is a huge OSS user | Aug 15 00:33 |
| ender2070 | oracle linux is redhat | Aug 15 00:33 |
| schestowitz | But it sued rivals with patents | Aug 15 00:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | No, microsoft wouldn't sue anyone would they? I mean they gave their word in a community promise, that has to mean something? They never lie. Windows is the most secure OS ever! What can go wrong? | Aug 15 00:33 |
| ender2070 | in regards to programming languages, oracle = microsoft | Aug 15 00:33 |
| ender2070 | Hey chips | Aug 15 00:34 |
| ender2070 | at least Windows doesn't come with Mono! | Aug 15 00:34 |
| ender2070 | that's why it's more secure | Aug 15 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | because they have the origial krap Net, its still bad | Aug 15 00:34 |
| ender2070 | lol you know im joking | Aug 15 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 15 00:34 |
| ender2070 | yo i got 90+% on my ms exams | Aug 15 00:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I know windows fanboys that would not install Net platform on XP SP2 | Aug 15 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://ieblog.members.winisp.net/images/Herman_AddOnPerf_1.png | Aug 15 00:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Aug 15 00:35 |
| ender2070 | ms exams are so stupidly easy | Aug 15 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | The 50 most popular IE add ons | Aug 15 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe they actually admit there's nothing better than this | Aug 15 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 15 00:36 |
| ender2070 | i should become a human trojan horse | Aug 15 00:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is Net already built in on XP SP3 and newer? DaemonFC should know | Aug 15 00:36 |
| ender2070 | ill use these ms certs to get into companies to support active directory and shit | Aug 15 00:36 |
| ender2070 | then | Aug 15 00:36 |
| ender2070 | convert them over to linux | Aug 15 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 15 00:36 |
| ender2070 | :D | Aug 15 00:36 |
| ender2070 | calculate linux directory server | Aug 15 00:36 |
| ender2070 | or rhel | Aug 15 00:37 |
| ender2070 | anyways bbl | Aug 15 00:37 |
| ender2070 | (i passed 70-620 and 70-622) | Aug 15 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, XP predates .NET | Aug 15 00:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | NET. is a failure, even on windows | Aug 15 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | the first Windows release with integrated .NET was Windows 2003 (.NET 1.1) | Aug 15 00:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I know that, but is NET. a part of sp3? | Aug 15 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | XP x64 also had .NET 2.0 | Aug 15 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 15 00:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | part of Vista? | Aug 15 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | no version of .NET is included in any service packs for XP | Aug 15 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | .NET is part of Vista, yes | Aug 15 00:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well sp3 kind of anwsered that question, didn't it? | Aug 15 00:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so Vista up | Aug 15 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | interestingly, .NET 2.0 also shipped on Windows 2003 but wasn't installed by default | Aug 15 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | 1.1 was though | Aug 15 00:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its MS way to force NET. on its users | Aug 15 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | in the R2 version | Aug 15 00:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | force feed | Aug 15 00:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how about auto updates? | Aug 15 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | automatic updates offers .NET | Aug 15 00:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS could label it a security update, hehe | Aug 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | you can hide the update though | Aug 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's Recommended | Aug 15 00:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so mostly its installed though the auto updates then | Aug 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | it won't be auto-installed | Aug 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | you have to request it | Aug 15 00:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like requesting an root canal if you don't need it, it won't hurt | Aug 15 00:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #elmdentica trunk can now get direct messages, hopefully sending our own will come tomorrow. | Aug 15 00:42 | |
| DaemonFC | well, I notice that Messenger 2010 is built using WPF | Aug 15 00:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ms auto updates is evil | Aug 15 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | an d also depends on Direct2D and DirectWrite | Aug 15 00:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | all krap | Aug 15 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | so you need Vista SP2 with Platform Update or Windows 7 | Aug 15 00:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no I don't | Aug 15 00:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't want to go there at all, Vista or Vista2 | Aug 15 00:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its a world of malware better let go | Aug 15 00:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Robber Barons Ballmer and Gates do not need my money, they have enough. | Aug 15 00:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | NET. is a failure | Aug 15 00:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | along with many other lock in type projects from MS | Aug 15 00:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even windows users reject NET | Aug 15 00:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I can't believe no-one had written this one before me. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Urine_therapy | Aug 15 00:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.mspx | Aug 15 00:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Office for Mac Microsoft Office for Mac | Mactopia .::. Size~: 28.33 KB | Aug 15 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | Now you can run Microsoft software on your Mac | Aug 15 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | joy of joys | Aug 15 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 00:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think MinceR crashed | Aug 15 00:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Cube and Ender are still up, in Canada | Aug 15 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | Go-OO is what most distros are using anyway | Aug 15 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | not actual OOo | Aug 15 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu uses Go-OO | Aug 15 00:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | thinking to switch to Koffice or Abiword | Aug 15 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | so does Mandriva, Suse, and I believe so does Fedora | Aug 15 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | and Debian | Aug 15 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | Go-OO is what most people are using | Aug 15 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | even if the branding has been changed | Aug 15 00:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Hotmail still not working? Use Chrome to fix it, says MS http://tinyurl.com/33mg2ln #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #mvpbuzz #hotmail #mvp | Aug 15 01:35 | |
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| ender2070 | [19:47] <Chips_B_Malroy> thinking to switch to Koffice or Abiword <--- KOFFICE :D | Aug 15 02:03 |
| ender2070 | +1 to chrome | Aug 15 02:03 |
| oiaohm | Koffice and openoffice as one is a good combination. ender2070 | Aug 15 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Where openoffice is weak Koffice is strong. | Aug 15 02:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | koffice?! | Aug 15 02:27 |
| *Diablo-D3 burns the heretics | Aug 15 02:27 | |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what I find hilarious? | Aug 15 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | its now OOOo. | Aug 15 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | oracle openoffice org. | Aug 15 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | at least oracle cant destroy OOo, its not theirs | Aug 15 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Oracle created the OpenOffice foundation. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:30 |
| oiaohm | When that took over from SUN. | Aug 15 02:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes, but its created in away Oracle cant take away OOo | Aug 15 02:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | like they did with opensolaris and java | Aug 15 02:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they're going to do with virtualbox | Aug 15 02:31 |
| oiaohm | What orcale is doing is the right thing to do. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:31 |
| oiaohm | In most cases. | Aug 15 02:31 |
| oiaohm | That SUN refused todo. | Aug 15 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Ok Orcale is not all bad. | Aug 15 02:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm is shilling for oracle. | Aug 15 02:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow. | Aug 15 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Did Orcale have to create those foundations? Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Answer no. | Aug 15 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Could Orcale pull out of create virtualbox as a foundation at this stage. Answer yes. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | will they? no | Aug 15 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | oracle is microsoft 2.0 | Aug 15 02:33 |
| oiaohm | There comes a point when it wise to keep mouth shut and let company do the right things. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | another bunch of scam artists | Aug 15 02:33 |
| oiaohm | No Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:33 |
| oiaohm | Orcale over there history has never been like MS. | Aug 15 02:33 |
| oiaohm | MS uses patents against end users. Orcale always uses them against producers of the code. | Aug 15 02:34 |
| oiaohm | Orcale always ends up with the issue settled for good normally without large on going fees. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:34 |
| oiaohm | To be correct Orcale does not make any income at all from there patents. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:35 |
| oiaohm | That is why its so funny where I hear people saying Orcale is doing this for money. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:35 |
| oiaohm | They don't with Patents. | Aug 15 02:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | blah blah blah | Aug 15 02:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: admit you either have oracle stock or work for oracle | Aug 15 02:36 |
| oiaohm | Neither Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | then you shill for free? how generous. | Aug 15 02:36 |
| oiaohm | No Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:36 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact you want to just attack orcale. You don't want to see that Orcale is different to lots of the other patent attackers out there. | Aug 15 02:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | they are using patents to attack a company that is pro-open source over an open source product | Aug 15 02:37 |
| oiaohm | If I had to choose a company to be patent attacked by I would choose Orcale. | Aug 15 02:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | that is an attack against EVERYONE who has ever written open source | Aug 15 02:38 |
| oiaohm | No its not Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:38 |
| oiaohm | That is your problem you believe that what Orcale is doing is attack against everyone using open source its simple not. | Aug 15 02:38 |
| oiaohm | If they want to attack everyone they would have brought the case against the device makers using android as well. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:38 |
| oiaohm | Since they would also be in breach. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:39 |
| oiaohm | And that is what MS and SCO do by the way. Attack the end users first. | Aug 15 02:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | so Oracle got smart and went after the money | Aug 15 02:39 |
| oiaohm | Orcales usage of their patents at this stage has been very controlled. | Aug 15 02:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt change that Oracle sued open source. | Aug 15 02:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | they sued Free Software. | Aug 15 02:40 |
| oiaohm | So as IBM so has Apple so has most large companies at some point Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Its not strange when parties get the idea of working independant that fights break out Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, and I dont use IBM or Apple products. | Aug 15 02:41 |
| oiaohm | Gigabyte ASUS also used there patents against open source programs at times as well Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:42 |
| oiaohm | By the time you take out every company that has attacked open source you cannot build a computer Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | exactly | Aug 15 02:43 |
| oiaohm | The key thing is how they do it. | Aug 15 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Are they out to destory completely the means to create open source versions of a program? | Aug 15 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Answer in orcales case no. | Aug 15 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Are they after to place restrictions how yes. | Aug 15 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Ok annoying. | Aug 15 02:44 |
| oiaohm | But not out right killing to open source Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Also google answer I don't like Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Since SUN release the code under a open soruce licence they are free to do what ever they like. | Aug 15 02:45 |
| oiaohm | We hate companies that abuse Open source in there produces disreguarding conditions. This is exactly what google is doing. Disreguarding conditions. | Aug 15 02:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: but apache harmony is an independant implementation | Aug 15 02:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | using a Free Software license | Aug 15 02:46 |
| oiaohm | In this case in my eyes both Orcale and Google are in the wrong . Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not a fork of Java | Aug 15 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Same with harmony it was asked to the sun table and refused. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a brand new, from scratch, impl | Aug 15 02:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: wrong | Aug 15 02:46 |
| oiaohm | It was asked. | Aug 15 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | sun refused to let apache pass the java test | Aug 15 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | for years | Aug 15 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Due to licence. | Aug 15 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, due to sun sucking dick | Aug 15 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then sun open sourced java | Aug 15 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and couldnt deny apache any longer | Aug 15 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Reemember in all the time apache was not allowed to pass java test gcj was allowed to test. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:48 |
| oiaohm | This license issue has been brewing for years. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:48 |
| oiaohm | And getting in the way for years Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | gcj isnt a vm | Aug 15 02:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also a pile of shit | Aug 15 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Can gcj build on fly yes it can. | Aug 15 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Same with other GPL JVM that were around years ago they were allowed to go against tests as well. | Aug 15 02:50 |
| oiaohm | For the health of java world we need this arguement settled for good if courts are required so be it. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:50 |
| oiaohm | You have seen all the effects of the issue not being settled. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:52 |
| oiaohm | The arguement over using licences other than GPL for JVM's has been distruptive way before the court case. | Aug 15 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Would it not be better if Google and Orcale had no bad blood between them over Java due to a court settling this on going argument from the days of SUN. Or the on going argument remaining and interfering with Java development? Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 02:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: dude, quit bothering me about this | Aug 15 03:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | its obvious we'll never agree | Aug 15 03:00 |
| oiaohm | There has been tons of damage already due to the dispute. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: Im currently having this same argument on three other channels | Aug 15 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Really it would have been better if it had of gone to court years ago by sun and settled before harmony had got so heavly developed. | Aug 15 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Then all the test case lock out and other distruptive non court methods could have been avoided. | Aug 15 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: what there are more people with points of view like mine. Diablo-D3 That we just want it over sorted once and for all so we can just move on and leave problem behind for good. | Aug 15 03:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: the problem wont go away until oracle is beaten | Aug 15 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Incorrect Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Problem goes away as soon as everyone knows how it stands and can work from there. | Aug 15 03:06 |
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| oiaohm | Oracle win or lose problem can be sorted. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:07 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: no | Aug 15 03:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | it will go away when oracle is forced to admit java is a standard that anyone can implement | Aug 15 03:07 |
| oiaohm | Under GPL. Yes. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:07 |
| oiaohm | So anyone can already implement | Aug 15 03:08 |
| oiaohm | Patents are a pain in the ass while they exist particulars developers are licence limited. | Aug 15 03:08 |
| oiaohm | At no point has Orcale said there cannot be independent implementations. Neither did SUN before them. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:10 |
| oiaohm | But there is a price to use there patents. | Aug 15 03:10 |
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| oiaohm | in my eyes you are overblowing the problem Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:11 |
| oiaohm | Harmony changing to GPLv3 insteat of current licence how much effect would that have on java world. Diablo-D3 That is about the worst ammont of damage we are looking at due to this orcale action. | Aug 15 03:12 |
| ender2070 | java is worthless | Aug 15 03:12 |
| oiaohm | The damage the SCO and MS cases have attempted todo are far worse. Cutting open source for good off from products. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:17 |
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| ender2070 | SCOracle is just as bad as SCO and MS | Aug 15 03:19 |
| ender2070 | in fact, using java in FLOSS is telling the world that mono is okay | Aug 15 03:19 |
| ender2070 | use java the way SCOracle tells you, or you'll get sued | Aug 15 03:20 |
| ender2070 | [21:24] <oiaohm> MS uses patents against end users. Orcale always uses them against producers of the code. | Aug 15 03:21 |
| ender2070 | so does SCOracle | Aug 15 03:22 |
| ender2070 | [21:26] <oiaohm> That is why its so funny where I hear people saying Orcale is doing this for money. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | oracle is a company. | Aug 15 03:22 |
| ender2070 | Gosling noticed Oracle's lawyers salivating during the Sun buyout talks over potential patent lawsuits from Java | Aug 15 03:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | companies ensue lulz for the money. | Aug 15 03:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: you know what is triple ironic? | Aug 15 03:22 |
| ender2070 | ? | Aug 15 03:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | the biggest patent Oracle is suing with is one of Gosling's | Aug 15 03:23 |
| ender2070 | yes | Aug 15 03:23 |
| ender2070 | i bet you he left because the lawsuits over java would start rolling | Aug 15 03:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | probably | Aug 15 03:23 |
| ender2070 | i wouldn't want to be assosiated with a patent troll | Aug 15 03:24 |
| ender2070 | associated | Aug 15 03:24 |
| ender2070 | Shwartz advertised to Oracle the fact they could sue over Java too | Aug 15 03:25 |
| oiaohm | Lawyers might have been salivating. | Aug 15 03:26 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm -lawyers can't make a company sue someone | Aug 15 03:27 |
| oiaohm | To company itself how profitable is the court case ender2070 | Aug 15 03:27 |
| ender2070 | very profitable | Aug 15 03:27 |
| ender2070 | they only need to win one case, the big one | Aug 15 03:27 |
| oiaohm | From company point of view suing more often ends up as a lose. | Aug 15 03:27 |
| oiaohm | And if they lose. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:27 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - they only need to win against google and everyone will have to license Java again | Aug 15 03:28 |
| oiaohm | And if the target has options never to pay. | Aug 15 03:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie base off openjdk ender2070 | Aug 15 03:28 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz hates google so much it looks like he'll support Java | Aug 15 03:28 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - then why not use Mono? | Aug 15 03:28 |
| oiaohm | So google would not have to pay after rebasing. | Aug 15 03:28 |
| oiaohm | There is no money there. | Aug 15 03:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most likely this will be settled out of court, after some drama on both sides | Aug 15 03:28 |
| oiaohm | Google has a excepe path. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:29 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - if all it takes is a free software implementation to avoid patents, then Mono would be perfectly fine | Aug 15 03:29 |
| oiaohm | Without mono. | Aug 15 03:29 |
| oiaohm | Using mono would be far more risky ender2070 | Aug 15 03:29 |
| ender2070 | no | Aug 15 03:29 |
| ender2070 | not one bit | Aug 15 03:29 |
| ender2070 | the riskyness is equal | Aug 15 03:29 |
| ender2070 | mono = openjdk | Aug 15 03:29 |
| ender2070 | in terms of being open | Aug 15 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Yes it would. | Aug 15 03:30 |
| oiaohm | No its not. | Aug 15 03:30 |
| ender2070 | yes it is | Aug 15 03:30 |
| ender2070 | in fact, mono is based on a standard ms is promising not to sue people over | Aug 15 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Does mono run java applications well. | Aug 15 03:30 |
| ender2070 | where is oracle's community promise | Aug 15 03:30 |
| oiaohm | That most of the android applications are. | Aug 15 03:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono/.net CAN run java apps | Aug 15 03:31 |
| oiaohm | In the openjdk paper work. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | someone wrote a partial java vm that runs on .net | Aug 15 03:31 |
| ender2070 | i mean they are the same in risk level | Aug 15 03:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | it uses the gnu classpath with an engine that converts bytecode to .net bytecode | Aug 15 03:31 |
| oiaohm | I said well. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:31 |
| oiaohm | That does not really work well. Diablo-D3 | Aug 15 03:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | it works, surprisingly. | Aug 15 03:31 |
| oiaohm | And gnu classpath takes you to openjdk anyhow. | Aug 15 03:31 |
| oiaohm | Why include extra complexity. | Aug 15 03:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | they didnt wanna write a complex translator to use native bcl shit | Aug 15 03:32 |
| ender2070 | i still dont understand how openjdk avoids patents | Aug 15 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Google mostly went the path they did to avoid the restrictions of GPL. | Aug 15 03:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: wrong | Aug 15 03:34 |
| oiaohm | openjdk and gnu classpath both have a patent licence to all of orcale patents covering java. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | Google inherited the license of Apache Harmony | Aug 15 03:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | as to allow two way code sharing | Aug 15 03:34 |
| ender2070 | [22:24] <oiaohm> openjdk and gnu classpath both have a patent licence to all of orcale patents covering java. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:34 |
| ender2070 | where | Aug 15 03:34 |
| oiaohm | Apache does not. | Aug 15 03:34 |
| oiaohm | Its in the openjdk documentation. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:35 |
| ender2070 | openjdk is gpl2 licensed | Aug 15 03:35 |
| oiaohm | You are allowed to alter openjdk any way you like and keep patent coverage. | Aug 15 03:35 |
| oiaohm | as long as it remains under gpl2 | Aug 15 03:35 |
| oiaohm | or latter | Aug 15 03:35 |
| ender2070 | umm | Aug 15 03:35 |
| ender2070 | you obviously dont understand how patents work | Aug 15 03:36 |
| oiaohm | I do understand how patents work. | Aug 15 03:36 |
| ender2070 | its obvious you dont | Aug 15 03:37 |
| oiaohm | At the time openjdk was released the grant quite open on the. | Aug 15 03:37 |
| ender2070 | the grant has to be open for all | Aug 15 03:37 |
| ender2070 | everyone | Aug 15 03:37 |
| oiaohm | No it does not. | Aug 15 03:37 |
| oiaohm | That is a major myth ender2070 | Aug 15 03:38 |
| ender2070 | "To prevent this, we have made it clear that any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all." | Aug 15 03:38 |
| oiaohm | Patent grants can be conditional on Licence. | Aug 15 03:38 |
| oiaohm | Many of them exist. | Aug 15 03:38 |
| ender2070 | http://openjdk.java.net/legal/gplv2+ce.html | Aug 15 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OpenJDK: GPLv2 + Classpath Exception .::. Size~: 25.9 KB | Aug 15 03:38 |
| oiaohm | Yep openjdk and classpath use the same licence. | Aug 15 03:39 |
| oiaohm | So are covered by the same patent grant. | Aug 15 03:39 |
| ender2070 | there is no patent grant | Aug 15 03:39 |
| ender2070 | link it | Aug 15 03:39 |
| oiaohm | http://openjdk.java.net/legal/openjdk-tck-license.pdf << read that ender2070 | Aug 15 03:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Aug 15 03:41 |
| ender2070 | "7. If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent | Aug 15 03:41 |
| ender2070 | infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not | Aug 15 03:41 |
| ender2070 | distribute the Program at all. For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program. | Aug 15 03:41 |
| oiaohm | The patent grant and licence are indepentent documents. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:41 |
| ender2070 | one thing they already have in common between them | Aug 15 03:42 |
| ender2070 | both SCOracle and Microsoft prohibit making an implementation which is different | Aug 15 03:43 |
| ender2070 | based on this license, you can't even name your code Java | Aug 15 03:43 |
| ender2070 | I noticed the license names Sun Microsystems, do they need to update that or is that assumed in court? | Aug 15 03:44 |
| ender2070 | cause we all said here: what does microsofts community promise mean if they sell .net patents | Aug 15 03:45 |
| oiaohm | No it does not have to be updated. | Aug 15 03:45 |
| ender2070 | i fail to see how Java is somehow safer than Mono, given what Oracle is doing | Aug 15 03:45 |
| oiaohm | Since orcale aquire the company the prior agreements still stand. | Aug 15 03:46 |
| oiaohm | And that is by law. Not something orcale can change ender2070 | Aug 15 03:46 |
| oiaohm | Now if sun went to liquidation then the prior agreements could be classed as desolved. | Aug 15 03:47 |
| ender2070 | the agreement from sun doesn't look to be that safe at all | Aug 15 03:47 |
| ender2070 | you have to conform to their spec 100% | Aug 15 03:47 |
| ender2070 | seemingly, if you fall behind they have the right to sue you | Aug 15 03:47 |
| ender2070 | they are under no obligation to release updated specs | Aug 15 03:47 |
| oiaohm | The gnu sun agreement that is a latter date than the openjdk one is more open. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:48 |
| oiaohm | But neither helps google in there case ender2070 | Aug 15 03:49 |
| ender2070 | im not worried about that | Aug 15 03:49 |
| ender2070 | im wondering how java is safer than mono | Aug 15 03:50 |
| ender2070 | they should both be boycotted | Aug 15 03:50 |
| ender2070 | risk is equal | Aug 15 03:50 |
| oiaohm | Risk is different with both. | Aug 15 03:50 |
| ender2070 | how | Aug 15 03:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, at least with java | Aug 15 03:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | google and apache could win | Aug 15 03:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono has no champion | Aug 15 03:51 |
| ender2070 | mono has novell but theres no risk there | Aug 15 03:51 |
| ender2070 | novell is in microsofts pocket | Aug 15 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | novell isnt a champion | Aug 15 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah | Aug 15 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | exactly | Aug 15 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | google and apache work for the java community | Aug 15 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | oracle works AGAINST the java community | Aug 15 03:51 |
| ender2070 | redhat does too | Aug 15 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah redhat as well | Aug 15 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | redhat is at legal risk too | Aug 15 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | redhat implements a javaee platform | Aug 15 03:52 |
| ender2070 | they use openjdk though | Aug 15 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is probably next on Oracle's list | Aug 15 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: yeah, but its still something oracle makes money on | Aug 15 03:52 |
| ender2070 | i think redhat is safe from oracle | Aug 15 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | so they'll sue Apache over Geronimo and Redhat over their shit | Aug 15 03:52 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3296732522.html This is the line google is hoping works. | Aug 15 03:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Oracle joins Linux patent commons .::. Size~: 29.36 KB | Aug 15 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | so it'll be glassfish vs the world | Aug 15 03:52 |
| oiaohm | If the OIN aggreement holds Orcale cannot attack google. | Aug 15 03:53 |
| oiaohm | This is why this is such a interesting test case. | Aug 15 03:53 |
| oiaohm | We are going to sort a lot of things out. | Aug 15 03:53 |
| ender2070 | OIN isn't safe | Aug 15 03:53 |
| oiaohm | It has not been tested ender2070 | Aug 15 03:53 |
| oiaohm | To see how much protection it gives. | Aug 15 03:54 |
| ender2070 | assuming Oracle gave OIN any of the patents they are suing over | Aug 15 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Reason why I am saying the sooner its in court the better. | Aug 15 03:54 |
| ender2070 | SCOracle is going to be fought over for years | Aug 15 03:54 |
| oiaohm | OIN aggrement says Oracle should not attack other members either. | Aug 15 03:55 |
| ender2070 | should not means nothing | Aug 15 03:55 |
| ender2070 | heres another interesting theory | Aug 15 03:56 |
| oiaohm | Attacking other memember allows the OIN stack to be used against them. | Aug 15 03:56 |
| ender2070 | unix clones surfaced because of AT&T vs BSD | Aug 15 03:56 |
| oiaohm | This is why google is saying since its open source its fine. The OIN agrreement should protect it due to be open source. | Aug 15 03:56 |
| ender2070 | java clones will surface due to Oracle vs Google | Aug 15 03:57 |
| ender2070 | based on openjdk so they cant do shit | Aug 15 03:57 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:57 |
| oiaohm | With java we can simply get to a location where Orcale cannot do anything about it. | Aug 15 03:57 |
| oiaohm | With .net no where near that simple ender2070 | Aug 15 03:58 |
| ender2070 | too bad openjdk isn't gpl3 | Aug 15 03:58 |
| ender2070 | there are still patents to deal with | Aug 15 03:58 |
| oiaohm | But not while you implementation is follows openjdk. | Aug 15 03:58 |
| ender2070 | if you deviate from oracle's specs you can get sued | Aug 15 03:59 |
| oiaohm | Techically not without notice to correct. ender2070 | Aug 15 03:59 |
| ender2070 | so you're letting scoracle tell you how your shit works | Aug 15 03:59 |
| oiaohm | So being sued could be avoided. | Aug 15 03:59 |
| oiaohm | No different than PDF documents ender2070 | Aug 15 03:59 |
| ender2070 | patents are messy but this is going to be a huge blow to java in regards to free software support | Aug 15 04:00 |
| oiaohm | At least orcale cannot create road blocks from you implementing current form. | Aug 15 04:00 |
| oiaohm | Where MS can block you from implementing parts of java | Aug 15 04:00 |
| ender2070 | nobody is going to want to use anything oracle anymore after this | Aug 15 04:00 |
| oiaohm | or .net | Aug 15 04:00 |
| ender2070 | um how? | Aug 15 04:00 |
| ender2070 | oracle can easily make roadblocks | Aug 15 04:01 |
| oiaohm | No orcale cannot. | Aug 15 04:01 |
| ender2070 | they release java 8 | Aug 15 04:01 |
| ender2070 | bam | Aug 15 04:01 |
| ender2070 | you're fucked | Aug 15 04:01 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Aug 15 04:01 |
| ender2070 | they do it entirely in house, and don't release any docs | Aug 15 04:01 |
| oiaohm | if you implementation is java 7 you don't have to do 8 | Aug 15 04:01 |
| ender2070 | then they can say | Aug 15 04:01 |
| oiaohm | straight up. | Aug 15 04:01 |
| ender2070 | 'we're suing you if you don't keep up with java 8' | Aug 15 04:01 |
| oiaohm | Because you are still valid implementation. | Aug 15 04:02 |
| ender2070 | 'by the way, the docs cost $100,000' | Aug 15 04:02 |
| ender2070 | how? | Aug 15 04:02 |
| ender2070 | you have to be current | Aug 15 04:02 |
| ender2070 | whatever they say the current spec is, is the current spec | Aug 15 04:02 |
| ender2070 | your implementation has to be compatible with theirs | Aug 15 04:03 |
| ender2070 | what if they pull another solaris | Aug 15 04:03 |
| oiaohm | Notice they don't say what version of the specification you have to match to. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:03 |
| oiaohm | As long as you do match to a version of the specification you are fine. | Aug 15 04:03 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - how are you going to match Java 8 for example, if they do it behind closed doors and dont release any docs? | Aug 15 04:03 |
| ender2070 | look at solaris | Aug 15 04:04 |
| ender2070 | they killed the open source version | Aug 15 04:04 |
| oiaohm | MS and Orcale both can do that at the moment. But openjdk does not block you from reversing. | Aug 15 04:04 |
| ender2070 | because they are going to do it behind closed doors | Aug 15 04:04 |
| oiaohm | Ie reversing does not take away patent grant. | Aug 15 04:04 |
| ender2070 | so then we have java becoming mono, chasing coat tails | Aug 15 04:05 |
| oiaohm | Good bit they did not list patent numbers. | Aug 15 04:05 |
| ender2070 | look at opensolaris | Aug 15 04:05 |
| ender2070 | dead | Aug 15 04:05 |
| ender2070 | its being forked | Aug 15 04:06 |
| ender2070 | do they have patents? yes, but the cddl is a better license for patent grants | Aug 15 04:06 |
| ender2070 | im sure SCOracle has similar plans with Java | Aug 15 04:07 |
| ender2070 | then theres the whole, Oracle's owner being good friends with Steve Jobs who also hates Google and its Android | Aug 15 04:08 |
| oiaohm | Also Orcale is not the only company with the right to develop Java | Aug 15 04:08 |
| ender2070 | my own personal use of Java rides on this lawsuit | Aug 15 04:08 |
| oiaohm | With full patent cover. | Aug 15 04:08 |
| oiaohm | The other is RedHat ender2070 | Aug 15 04:08 |
| ender2070 | if oracle wins, fuck java, im not learning it | Aug 15 04:08 |
| ender2070 | java will die off | Aug 15 04:09 |
| oiaohm | Redhat has the right to fork there own versions off. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:09 |
| ender2070 | but | Aug 15 04:09 |
| ender2070 | redhat does not have the right to advance the language and add their own features | Aug 15 04:09 |
| oiaohm | Redhat does. | Aug 15 04:09 |
| ender2070 | no | Aug 15 04:10 |
| oiaohm | Licence must remain GPL. | Aug 15 04:10 |
| ender2070 | they'll get sued as soon as their version isn't compatible with Oracle | Aug 15 04:10 |
| oiaohm | Redhat has the right to include extra features. | Aug 15 04:10 |
| oiaohm | As long as they are marked as expermental. | Aug 15 04:10 |
| oiaohm | Yes loop holes of loopholes ender2070 | Aug 15 04:10 |
| ender2070 | i dont see that anywhere in the licesne | Aug 15 04:10 |
| oiaohm | That was a direct agreement between redhat and sun. | Aug 15 04:11 |
| ender2070 | i see the part that says all implementations must be compatible with the licensee's version | Aug 15 04:11 |
| oiaohm | So redhat developers could experment. | Aug 15 04:11 |
| ender2070 | you couldn't make any advancements or features which reduce compatibility | Aug 15 04:11 |
| oiaohm | Unless you are like redhat and hold a direct agreement with sun. | Aug 15 04:12 |
| oiaohm | That allows them to go outside that ender2070 | Aug 15 04:12 |
| ender2070 | can you link that then | Aug 15 04:12 |
| oiaohm | Sun's broad contributor agreement << Signers of it are allowed to experment. | Aug 15 04:13 |
| ender2070 | i wonder if this lawsuit will cause google to beef up its Google Go efforts | Aug 15 04:14 |
| oiaohm | Redhat is one of the well knowns. | Aug 15 04:14 |
| oiaohm | Others include IBM and HP. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:14 |
| oiaohm | Around java there are lot of aggreements we really do need a paper work clean up. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:15 |
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| ender2070 | they probably wont bother redhat | Aug 15 04:16 |
| ender2070 | they use them for RHEL | Aug 15 04:16 |
| ender2070 | oracle linux | Aug 15 04:16 |
| ender2070 | but anyways | Aug 15 04:17 |
| ender2070 | until google wins im boycotting java | Aug 15 04:17 |
| oiaohm | Wins or loses | Aug 15 04:17 |
| ender2070 | nah wins | Aug 15 04:17 |
| oiaohm | We need the java paper cleaned up. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:17 |
| ender2070 | if they lose ill keep boycotting it | Aug 15 04:17 |
| oiaohm | loses and the paper work for all cleaned up I would be fine. | Aug 15 04:18 |
| ender2070 | i wouldnt be fine | Aug 15 04:18 |
| ender2070 | its just as bad as mono | Aug 15 04:18 |
| oiaohm | Ie if you release under the following licences you are covered losing I would fine. | Aug 15 04:18 |
| oiaohm | if that is the out come of losing. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:18 |
| oiaohm | Basically we need the case. | Aug 15 04:19 |
| ender2070 | lol | Aug 15 04:19 |
| ender2070 | we need a c#/mono case too | Aug 15 04:19 |
| oiaohm | I agree. | Aug 15 04:19 |
| oiaohm | I am not prepared to say boycott yet. | Aug 15 04:19 |
| ender2070 | microsoft could also sue for making a different version of their language | Aug 15 04:19 |
| oiaohm | If the case goes a really wrong way then would boycott it for good. | Aug 15 04:20 |
| ender2070 | if you dont follow the ECMA specs | Aug 15 04:20 |
| oiaohm | Only one catch ECMA specs don't patch MS own implementation. | Aug 15 04:20 |
| ender2070 | yes | Aug 15 04:20 |
| ender2070 | i know | Aug 15 04:20 |
| oiaohm | So the patent grant is basically not worth the paper it writen on. | Aug 15 04:20 |
| oiaohm | At least the old SUN ones are worth something. | Aug 15 04:21 |
| ender2070 | basicly anything beyond ECMA 335 & 336 is a blessing if you haven't been sued | Aug 15 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Ok resitrcitve but worth something. | Aug 15 04:21 |
| oiaohm | We have had major rot inside the java world for way to long. | Aug 15 04:22 |
| ender2070 | looks like you have to be Java 6 compatible with SCOracle | Aug 15 04:22 |
| oiaohm | And I will be happy to see court cases or anything to sort it out. | Aug 15 04:22 |
| ender2070 | the only court case ill be happy to see is the one that declares java is free for everyone and oracle loses | Aug 15 04:22 |
| ender2070 | otherwise its a boycott for me | Aug 15 04:22 |
| oiaohm | Or like me ender2070 | Aug 15 04:22 |
| oiaohm | Where if you build under X list of licences you are fine. | Aug 15 04:23 |
| oiaohm | I can under stand of orcale does not want java under asl | Aug 15 04:23 |
| ender2070 | you can also stand Active Directory and ACL's | Aug 15 04:24 |
| ender2070 | oracle is what we call an 'indian giver' | Aug 15 04:25 |
| oiaohm | One of the problems with ASL ender2070 is is if you make a device and alter the source code it does not require you to release it. | Aug 15 04:26 |
| oiaohm | I can understand Orcale having issues with that licence and so Android. | Aug 15 04:26 |
| ender2070 | lol | Aug 15 04:27 |
| ender2070 | that makes no sense | Aug 15 04:27 |
| oiaohm | The licence that google jvm engine is using ender2070 | Aug 15 04:28 |
| oiaohm | Does not require alterations to be given back ender2070 | Aug 15 04:28 |
| ender2070 | yes that makes no sense as a reason why they dont like it | Aug 15 04:28 |
| ender2070 | none whatsoever | Aug 15 04:28 |
| oiaohm | Because device makers could make incompadiblies. | Aug 15 04:29 |
| ender2070 | it has nothing to do with anything | Aug 15 04:29 |
| oiaohm | So damaging the value of the java name. | Aug 15 04:29 |
| ender2070 | the device maker would be violating their patents | Aug 15 04:29 |
| oiaohm | And android implementation is already altered away from main java spec. | Aug 15 04:30 |
| ender2070 | the patent license forbids that | Aug 15 04:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie big problems. | Aug 15 04:30 |
| ender2070 | it could be GPL and still get sued | Aug 15 04:30 |
| ender2070 | ASL isn't the reason | Aug 15 04:30 |
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| oiaohm | Main reason why openjdk was GPL in the first place was so extentions that were good could be pulled back into mainline. | Aug 15 04:31 |
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| ender2070 | you're distorting the issue | Aug 15 04:31 |
| oiaohm | Its part of the issue ender2070 | Aug 15 04:31 |
| ender2070 | the software license has nothing to do with it oiaohm | Aug 15 04:31 |
| ender2070 | open source code just makes it easier for them to audit for patent violations | Aug 15 04:32 |
| oiaohm | And reduce there development costs ender2070 | Aug 15 04:32 |
| ender2070 | if google made davik GPL, they would still be sued over it | Aug 15 04:32 |
| ender2070 | oracle mentioned patents, not software licensing | Aug 15 04:33 |
| ender2070 | not even copyright infringement | Aug 15 04:33 |
| oiaohm | They mention both. | Aug 15 04:33 |
| ender2070 | patents | Aug 15 04:33 |
| oiaohm | in the court documents. | Aug 15 04:33 |
| oiaohm | Have you not read case document. | Aug 15 04:34 |
| ender2070 | yes | Aug 15 04:34 |
| ender2070 | i have | Aug 15 04:34 |
| oiaohm | Both patents and copyright infringement is there. | Aug 15 04:34 |
| oiaohm | And orcale is calling for complete destruction of the copyright infringing parts. | Aug 15 04:34 |
| ender2070 | i disregard copyright infringment in my mind | Aug 15 04:35 |
| ender2070 | they arent using oracle code afaik | Aug 15 04:35 |
| oiaohm | Something in android could have well and truely stepped over the line. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:35 |
| oiaohm | If there is copyright infringment and orcale can prove it google will lose. | Aug 15 04:36 |
| ender2070 | then so will java | Aug 15 04:36 |
| ender2070 | if google loses, java dies | Aug 15 04:36 |
| oiaohm | No | Aug 15 04:36 |
| ender2070 | yes | Aug 15 04:36 |
| ender2070 | nobody will dare use it | Aug 15 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Google could win on the patents. | Aug 15 04:36 |
| oiaohm | We could end up with a very mixed blessing out come. | Aug 15 04:37 |
| ender2070 | people won't want to have to hire a lawyer to analyze oracle's agreements before writing code | Aug 15 04:37 |
| oiaohm | You really should not nick other peoples code. | Aug 15 04:37 |
| oiaohm | I hope that is not the main trigger. | Aug 15 04:37 |
| ender2070 | the main trigger is cash and steve jobs | Aug 15 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Don't know. | Aug 15 04:38 |
| oiaohm | I know orcale does not take to well to copyright infringment | Aug 15 04:38 |
| ender2070 | oracle came in its pants when Shwarts upsold Sun as a potential weapon against Google | Aug 15 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Never has. | Aug 15 04:38 |
| ender2070 | thats likely why Oracle bought Sun | Aug 15 04:38 |
| ender2070 | Oracle's Ellison is close personal friends with Steve Jobs | Aug 15 04:39 |
| ender2070 | who is also suing Google's Android (via HTC) | Aug 15 04:39 |
| oiaohm | Name any other company tht Oracle has aquired and used there patents as a weapon. | Aug 15 04:39 |
| oiaohm | Really its out of there normal operations. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Lot of things are off with this google vs orcale case. | Aug 15 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Why is it part patent part copyright case. | Aug 15 04:40 |
| ender2070 | name one product from oracle that it has purchased and has made more open? | Aug 15 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Orcale normally spins those off into independant foundations. | Aug 15 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Outside Orcale. | Aug 15 04:41 |
| oiaohm | They normally don't hold onto items they open up. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Over there time a few things from Orcale ended up transfered to gnu and apache as well with orcale blessing. | Aug 15 04:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie orcale opens it up it ceases normally to be a orcale product. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:42 |
| ender2070 | really | Aug 15 04:43 |
| ender2070 | why did they kill opensolaris then | Aug 15 04:43 |
| ender2070 | why are they crippling mysql even more | Aug 15 04:43 |
| ender2070 | ? | Aug 15 04:43 |
| oiaohm | First ask yourself why was opensolaris created in the first place. | Aug 15 04:44 |
| oiaohm | Then remember orcale was attacked for aquiring mysql. | Aug 15 04:45 |
| oiaohm | What is happening to mysql is a very key reason to be careful how you interact with orcale. | Aug 15 04:47 |
| ender2070 | you're funny | Aug 15 04:47 |
| ender2070 | ask myself why opensolaris was created | Aug 15 04:47 |
| ender2070 | competely ignoring the fact they killed an open source project | Aug 15 04:48 |
| ender2070 | solaris will die off as it gains more irrelevance | Aug 15 04:48 |
| ender2070 | opensolaris might have actually saved it | Aug 15 04:48 |
| oiaohm | It was create to keep solaris alive. | Aug 15 04:49 |
| ender2070 | yeah but oracle thinks it can do so by itself with Solaris 11 | Aug 15 04:49 |
| oiaohm | Now if orcale does not want to keep solaris alive. | Aug 15 04:49 |
| oiaohm | Yet does not way to say that. | Aug 15 04:49 |
| ender2070 | its already come out | Aug 15 04:49 |
| oiaohm | What is one way to reduce usage and speed up it death. ender2070 | Aug 15 04:49 |
| ender2070 | Solaris 11, and solaris express is coming back | Aug 15 04:49 |
| ender2070 | opensolaris is dead | Aug 15 04:49 |
| ender2070 | open source gets updates last | Aug 15 04:50 |
| ender2070 | the open core model | Aug 15 04:50 |
| oiaohm | And so reduces usage right ender2070 | Aug 15 04:50 |
| ender2070 | yes | Aug 15 04:50 |
| oiaohm | And makes more look at linux | Aug 15 04:50 |
| oiaohm | So allowing orcale to kill solaris off over time and focus on Linux. | Aug 15 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Basically the opensolaris action makes perfect sence if you want solaris dead. | Aug 15 04:51 |
| ender2070 | what about the volunteers who wanted to work on opensolaris | Aug 15 04:51 |
| ender2070 | maybe solaris shouldnt be dead | Aug 15 04:51 |
| oiaohm | They have to go else where right ender2070 | Aug 15 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Either to bsd or Linux. | Aug 15 04:51 |
| ender2070 | probably bsd | Aug 15 04:51 |
| ender2070 | not linux | Aug 15 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Remember orcale has been releasing it database for freebsd anyhow. | Aug 15 04:52 |
| oiaohm | So more people in BSD help them. | Aug 15 04:52 |
| ender2070 | actually we're wrong | Aug 15 04:52 |
| oiaohm | Either way Orcale wins. | Aug 15 04:52 |
| ender2070 | not bsd | Aug 15 04:52 |
| ender2070 | they'll go illumos | Aug 15 04:52 |
| ender2070 | forking opensolaris | Aug 15 04:52 |
| oiaohm | illumos is most likely a item they did not plan on. | Aug 15 04:52 |
| oiaohm | So stuffed up there plans. | Aug 15 04:53 |
| ender2070 | they did plan on it | Aug 15 04:53 |
| ender2070 | it was always plan B | Aug 15 04:53 |
| ender2070 | seems like now though, Oracle is the enemy | Aug 15 04:54 |
| ender2070 | Oracle is enemy #1 | Aug 15 04:54 |
| oiaohm | Not really ender2070 Microsoft is still a nightmare. | Aug 15 04:55 |
| ender2070 | nah microsoft is nothing | Aug 15 04:55 |
| oiaohm | Oracle actions may turn out to be right with the test of time. | Aug 15 04:55 |
| ender2070 | the only threat they provide is that over .NET | Aug 15 04:55 |
| ender2070 | oracles actions will never turn out to be right | Aug 15 04:56 |
| ender2070 | suing an open source user is bad | Aug 15 04:56 |
| oiaohm | If it ends the issue for good. | Aug 15 04:56 |
| ender2070 | dude | Aug 15 04:56 |
| ender2070 | unless oracle loses, nothing good is going to happen | Aug 15 04:56 |
| ender2070 | end of story | Aug 15 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft want to sue and never end the issue. | Aug 15 04:56 |
| ender2070 | btw | Aug 15 04:59 |
| ender2070 | oracle is insisting copyright of the entire java platform, code, specifications, documentation | Aug 15 04:59 |
| ender2070 | thats how they are infringing | Aug 15 05:00 |
| ender2070 | anyways, its always nice to argue with a shill. at least you dont just shill for ms. later | Aug 15 05:00 |
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| cubevector | I've never known anyone who could argue so much | Aug 15 05:04 |
| cubevector | you name it, he'll argue about it | Aug 15 05:07 |
| cubevector | subject doesn't matter :) | Aug 15 05:08 |
| oiaohm | I take a side and stick to it. cubevector | Aug 15 05:12 |
| oiaohm | Now I don't think I could battle in defence of MS or SCO they did so much wrong its not funny. cubevector | Aug 15 05:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Jai Hind is now trending topic. Good to see. | Aug 15 06:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] (Un)Common Wealth and Games - http://newsclick.in/international/uncommon-wealth-and-games | Aug 15 07:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @phil_nash Welcome to new decade: Java is a restricted platform, Google is evil, Apple a monopoly + Microsoft are the underdogs |#ROTFL | Aug 15 08:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Off for two days now....I wonder if I will get my .nzb client started? | Aug 15 09:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @pietercolpaert @arnebab so apple doesn't allow GPL in the App Store? That's interesting... #applefail | Aug 15 09:46 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | [03:24:04] -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell- [jwildeboer] RT @phil_nash Welcome to new decade: Java is a restricted platform, Google is evil, Apple a monopoly + Microsoft are the underdogs |#ROTFL | Aug 15 09:53 |
| _Goblin | wx or tkinter? | Aug 15 09:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | .... | Aug 15 09:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | goddamn! | Aug 15 09:54 |
| _Goblin | decisions, decisions. | Aug 15 09:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not sure I like this post-9/11 world! | Aug 15 09:54 |
| *Diablo-D3 votes for Al Gore, damnit! | Aug 15 09:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] hmmm....for a gui should I go with wx or tkinter? decisions, decisions... #python #gui | Aug 15 09:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] No scrub that....Im going with wx..no tk....no wx...right decided - wx. Final decision. | Aug 15 10:01 | |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: no one seriously writes apps in python | Aug 15 10:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | use swt in java | Aug 15 10:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @gbraad: #Fedora 13 for #MIPS has been published and RPMs have been mirrored to secondary.fp.o http://is.gd/eiuIV | Aug 15 10:28 | |
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| _Goblin | *quick | Aug 15 10:31 |
| _Goblin | Im not messing around with anything else when I already have 90% of the code.... | Aug 15 10:31 |
| _Goblin | and the only quandry Python has given me is tk or wx for the gui. | Aug 15 10:32 |
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| oiaohm | That redhat video will be useful | Aug 15 12:16 |
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| DaemonFC | I noticed something funny about .NET | Aug 15 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | apparently you can even get bugs on one of the two platforms Windows supports (x86-32 and x86-64) that don't appear on the other | Aug 15 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | On of the selling points is supposedly that with .NET, when you make a Windows program, you get x86-64 support as a bonus out of the same build | Aug 15 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | *one | Aug 15 14:59 |
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| DaemonFC | clearly that's not always the case | Aug 15 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | something about CDBurnerXP (VB.NET) makes it run fine on 32-bit Windows, but on x86-64, some things make it freeze up | Aug 15 15:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Know problem. | Aug 15 15:00 |
| oiaohm_ | It would have some pointers in it somewhere in structs. DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | like, I could burn a CD fine, and single layer DVD | Aug 15 15:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes data sizes | Aug 15 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | but if I burn a dual layer DVD, it freezes right after finalizing the disc | Aug 15 15:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Its not a x86 issue | Aug 15 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | the disc is fine, but it's annoying that I have to kill the program | Aug 15 15:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Its a32 bit vs 64 bit issue | Aug 15 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm using Imgburn again | Aug 15 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | right, so why does .NET have this problem? | Aug 15 15:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Because its not bit size independant in its structors. | Aug 15 15:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember java does not allow raw pointers | Aug 15 15:02 |
| oiaohm_ | .net does. | Aug 15 15:03 |
| cubevector | why not just use cdrecord? | Aug 15 15:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Hello bit size of processor into problem. | Aug 15 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | so even with .NET, you still really have to make tweaks and offer a separate x64 version of the app sometimes? | Aug 15 15:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | interesting | Aug 15 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | well, Microsoft's figures show that more than half of the users of Windows 7 are now on the x64 version | Aug 15 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | so you would think that more people would be complaining about running into things like this | Aug 15 15:04 |
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| cubevector | the bugs never stop on doze | Aug 15 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | well, that's really kind of horrific that not only do you have to make major rewrites of your app to run on different .NET runtimes (not even mentioning Mono) | Aug 15 15:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Mono was first to find the issue. DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | but that the 32-bit and 64-bit versions are not 100% compatible even on the same version of Windows with the same version of .NET | Aug 15 15:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Part of the size problem comes into MS .Net due to a location they don't follow spec as well. DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | Java is write once run anywhere | Aug 15 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | and Python is more or less like that too | Aug 15 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | but .NET is really not it seems | Aug 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | but it's being billed as such | Aug 15 15:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Just like Windows NT being CPU netural in design. | Aug 15 15:07 |
| oiaohm_ | It is but its useless. | Aug 15 15:07 |
| cubevector | there's no truly portable system, except maybe text based C programs | Aug 15 15:07 |
| oiaohm_ | On other processes due to no applications. | Aug 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | right, because you can port Windows itself easily | Aug 15 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | but porting applications is not | Aug 15 15:08 |
| oiaohm_ | windows it self was design to be a prick. | Aug 15 15:08 |
| cubevector | you can't port windows | Aug 15 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft ran into a lot of problems trying to port Office to Alpha | Aug 15 15:08 |
| oiaohm_ | OS/2 was closer to standards. | Aug 15 15:08 |
| cubevector | I can't imagine a bigger monster to try to port | Aug 15 15:09 |
| oiaohm_ | But when MS made Windows they reversed the order of arguements into functions. | Aug 15 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | they had Windows NT ported quickly | Aug 15 15:09 |
| cubevector | have you ever looked at windows code? | Aug 15 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | but Office was so tied to Win32 that it took them months to get it running | Aug 15 15:09 |
| cubevector | it's horrific | Aug 15 15:09 |
| oiaohm_ | So making most windows functions to do stuff the exact wrong way to standard C. DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Windows is a bastard design. | Aug 15 15:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Dreamed up by a equal bastard company. | Aug 15 15:10 |
| cubevector | totally agree | Aug 15 15:10 |
| oiaohm_ | In ABI | Aug 15 15:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically layout of the kernel design of windows is impressive. | Aug 15 15:10 |
| cubevector | something to be avoided | Aug 15 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | right, but once you get to the Win32 API it's not | Aug 15 15:12 |
| cubevector | as a programmer I like the whole Linux + X environment | Aug 15 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | Win32 is not the native NT API though | Aug 15 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | most of that is undocumented | Aug 15 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | NT supports different APIs as plug-ins | Aug 15 15:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Most of the Native NT API has been documented by third parties. | Aug 15 15:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Yet it does not work due to Win32 doing too much DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:13 |
| oiaohm_ | If NT design was followed to the letter you should be able to run 2 users side by side in independant win32 subsystems so they think they are on independant machines. | Aug 15 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_API | Aug 15 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Native API - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 38.24 KB | Aug 15 15:13 |
| oiaohm_ | but that was not followled. | Aug 15 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | that would be kind of cool | Aug 15 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | So that does not work. | Aug 15 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | Reason the required kernel locking is missing. | Aug 15 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | well, in theory it would be possible for them to drop Win32 | Aug 15 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | and start from scratch | Aug 15 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | or to implement POSIX just as easily | Aug 15 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | and turn it into a UNIX | Aug 15 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | What do you losed when you drop win32 | Aug 15 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | All printer and scanner drivers and a large set of USB | Aug 15 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | all Windows applications | Aug 15 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 15:15 |
| oiaohm_ | And posix emulator | Aug 15 15:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Because MS made it win32 dependant in places. | Aug 15 15:15 |
| oiaohm_ | basically you gutted in in one penstroke. | Aug 15 15:15 |
| cubevector | this is why I think it's good to look at older and simpler OSes | Aug 15 15:16 |
| cubevector | it's makes a good restarting point | Aug 15 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | malware can use Native API to hide from antivirus programs? | Aug 15 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.drdobbs.com/security/184406098;jsessionid=1G5KGYAYKTVL1QE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN | Aug 15 15:17 |
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| oiaohm_ | Worse DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:18 |
| oiaohm_ | You can hide from the Native API | Aug 15 15:18 |
| cubevector | everthing about windows is obscure | Aug 15 15:18 |
| cubevector | tons and tons of closed source apps? | Aug 15 15:18 |
| cubevector | barf | Aug 15 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | hehe, malware that uses Native API and hides in Alternate Data Streams | Aug 15 15:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Windows NT process table allows a process to exist that does not appear in userspace at all DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | is there any of that floating around? | Aug 15 15:19 |
| oiaohm_ | And still get processor time. | Aug 15 15:19 |
| oiaohm_ | Reason it has two process tables. | Aug 15 15:19 |
| oiaohm_ | what is completely insane. | Aug 15 15:19 |
| oiaohm_ | One that gets exposed to userspace with link entries of the kernel space processs table | Aug 15 15:20 |
| oiaohm_ | And a kernel space process table that has no requirement to have anything exposed to userspace. | Aug 15 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | the one exposed to userspace is from ntdll.dll | Aug 15 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Aug 15 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically load a driver start a process in a driver. | Aug 15 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | And nothing user space can see it. | Aug 15 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | it is as if it not even going on. | Aug 15 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | If you block the kernel debugger. | Aug 15 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | ntdll only sees the userspace one. | Aug 15 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | right, ntoskrnl is where the kernel mode one exists | Aug 15 15:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep. | Aug 15 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | yuck | Aug 15 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | that sounds nightmarish | Aug 15 15:22 |
| oiaohm_ | To be correct both are in ntoskrnl | Aug 15 15:22 |
| oiaohm_ | ntdll is only the access | Aug 15 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | so things can be running on the system that nothing in userspace can possibly be aware of | Aug 15 15:23 |
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| oiaohm_ | Yep | Aug 15 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | so it's kind of like a rootkit, but not quite | Aug 15 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | because obviously the kernel knows it is there | Aug 15 15:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Its a rootkit with stealth. | Aug 15 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | but it's close enough to get most of the same effect as a rootkit | Aug 15 15:24 |
| oiaohm_ | At kernel level it has more power than any other user on the system. | Aug 15 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 15 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | so it undermines everything else on the system | Aug 15 15:24 |
| oiaohm_ | It is a class of rootkit | Aug 15 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | so it IS effectively a rootkit | Aug 15 15:24 |
| oiaohm_ | worst kind comproised kernel. | Aug 15 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | So if you can rootkit Windows that easy, why the Blue Pill crap? | Aug 15 15:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Driver signing gets in way. | Aug 15 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that just too complicated to bother with if you can just hijack the kernel anyway? | Aug 15 15:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Blue Pill does in driver signing. | Aug 15 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | so you run into problems trying to load something in kernel mode because of driver signing | Aug 15 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | but that only effects 64-bit Windows | Aug 15 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Aug 15 15:26 |
| oiaohm_ | And 32 bit if signing is turned on. | Aug 15 15:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie mil grade systems. | Aug 15 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | so to protect yourself from rootkit malware, could you just run the 64-bit version of Windows and disable virtualization extensions from the BIOS setup? | Aug 15 15:27 |
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| oiaohm_ | Nop DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Not enough. | Aug 15 15:27 |
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| DaemonFC | What's left? | Aug 15 15:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Most powerful rootkit. | Aug 15 15:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Take the bios | Aug 15 15:27 |
| cubevector | coreboot anyone? | Aug 15 15:28 |
| cubevector | ;-) | Aug 15 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | so you mean there's malware out there that flashes over your BIOS with a version of its own? | Aug 15 15:28 |
| cubevector | oh and keep an eprom programmer handy | Aug 15 15:28 |
| oiaohm_ | its possible DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | but the BIOS is fairly limited | Aug 15 15:28 |
| cubevector | yeah there is | Aug 15 15:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Rare but possible. | Aug 15 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | so the modifications would have to be like "You can't turn off hardware VT" | Aug 15 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Aug 15 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | just helping the actual rootkit to run | Aug 15 15:29 |
| oiaohm_ | I have seen it used by bad techs to cause repair work by making machine lock up ever 30 days. | Aug 15 15:29 |
| cubevector | but if you compile your own bios, well... | Aug 15 15:29 |
| oiaohm_ | From bios | Aug 15 15:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember lot of modern day bios can run networks card.s | Aug 15 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | Coreboot is not useful most of the time | Aug 15 15:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Bios can exclude out memory for own usage. | Aug 15 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | There's very few cases where the motherboard can work with it | Aug 15 15:29 |
| oiaohm_ | And can intercept network calls and the like to steal time. | Aug 15 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | and that's provided that you don't have EFI | Aug 15 15:30 |
| cubevector | you really want to learn, learn coreboot | Aug 15 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | which most newer Intel boards do have | Aug 15 15:30 |
| cubevector | those guys really know about hardware | Aug 15 15:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Also there is a loop hole. | Aug 15 15:30 |
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| oiaohm_ | Most boises support end extending. | Aug 15 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | There's another reason to use AMD | Aug 15 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I know, no AMD board has EFI | Aug 15 15:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie patch the extra code you want on the end of the bios that suits the board. DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:30 |
| cubevector | at the very least, have backup flash roms handy | Aug 15 15:30 |
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| oiaohm_ | And use the bios for hardware interfacing. | Aug 15 15:31 |
| oiaohm_ | From you bios based rootkit | Aug 15 15:31 |
| cubevector | cheap insurance | Aug 15 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | BIOS is superior to EFI in that it's jsut something simple and stupid that acts as a stub to initialize the PC and then fuck off | Aug 15 15:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Notice that gigabyte boards have 1 bios you cannot write to. | Aug 15 15:31 |
| oiaohm_ | I demoed a bios attack to them in 1994 | Aug 15 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want a full blown OS complete with a TCP/IP stack where my BIOS was | Aug 15 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 15:32 |
| oiaohm_ | A full network spreeding bios attack | Aug 15 15:32 |
| oiaohm_ | And that was 1994 | Aug 15 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, until your BIOS exits, you basically have a PC XT | Aug 15 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Aug 15 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 15 15:32 |
| oiaohm_ | flash bios should have either a rom version beside them or a write protect switch. | Aug 15 15:33 |
| oiaohm_ | So they cannot be attacked. | Aug 15 15:33 |
| oiaohm_ | But a lot of motherboards lack that. DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:33 |
| cubevector | there's bios saviour and other similar work-arounds | Aug 15 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | I edited parts of the BIOS ROM on this system | Aug 15 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | by hand | Aug 15 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | and then flashed the new image in | Aug 15 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | (don't ask) | Aug 15 15:34 |
| cubevector | amiga had roms | Aug 15 15:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Funny enough lot of those bios saviour cards depend on something working. | Aug 15 15:34 |
| oiaohm_ | the bios loading sub bios chips | Aug 15 15:35 |
| cubevector | of course then you have to pop out the chip to do upgrades | Aug 15 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | the funny thing about SLIC 2.0 and 2.1 is that only like 1 character in that string actually changes | Aug 15 15:35 |
| oiaohm_ | A solid attack can void that. | Aug 15 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | and the difference is that you either get Vista or Windows 7 *or* Vista | Aug 15 15:35 |
| oiaohm_ | No its not DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:36 |
| oiaohm_ | SLIC 2.0 has bugs that 2.1 has fixed. | Aug 15 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | not from what I saw | Aug 15 15:36 |
| oiaohm_ | That Windows 7 lacks the work arounds two | Aug 15 15:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Note not all board effected. | Aug 15 15:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Some SLIC 2.0 implementations are buggy. | Aug 15 15:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Change with care DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | so if your board isn't one of the affected, it is just one character that changes? | Aug 15 15:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep | Aug 15 15:37 |
| cubevector | sub bios chip? can you give us an example? | Aug 15 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, mine is one of those then | Aug 15 15:37 |
| oiaohm_ | If its not is like half the bios | Aug 15 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 15:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Like what you have on old network cards for doing network booting. cubevector | Aug 15 15:37 |
| cubevector | ah right | Aug 15 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | I have access to Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2, but those MAK keys really are a pain in the ass | Aug 15 15:38 |
| cubevector | netboot | Aug 15 15:38 |
| oiaohm_ | That location does not have to just network boot | Aug 15 15:38 |
| oiaohm_ | I have used it before to recover systems. | Aug 15 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | I don't feel like dicking around with MAK keys | Aug 15 15:38 |
| oiaohm_ | And also drive people nuts. | Aug 15 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | they're impossible to work with | Aug 15 15:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Really DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | one thing changes or you have to reinstall Windows, and online activation won't work | Aug 15 15:39 |
| cubevector | you can turn on the bnc connector and turn off the RG45 connector :) | Aug 15 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | you have to phone their 1-800 number | Aug 15 15:39 |
| oiaohm_ | One bit of advice Proxy activate. DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:39 |
| cubevector | on older network cards, like RTL8029 | Aug 15 15:39 |
| oiaohm_ | MAK counter don't move. DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:39 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes MS activation is buggy as normal. | Aug 15 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's also easily bypassed | Aug 15 15:40 |
| oiaohm_ | Why bipass. | Aug 15 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's meant to stop casual copying | Aug 15 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | but that's about where it ends | Aug 15 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 15:40 |
| oiaohm_ | Proxy activate instructions are provide by MS | Aug 15 15:40 |
| oiaohm_ | And legal. | Aug 15 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm_, It would be easy to just edit the BIOS of hundreds of PCs and sell them with copies of Windows you got for free | Aug 15 15:41 |
| oiaohm_ | Every version of windows has some way of activating without having a counter on installs | Aug 15 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | home users risk a lot more when they mod their GBIOS | Aug 15 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | like their PC will never boot again or something | Aug 15 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | *BIOS | Aug 15 15:41 |
| oiaohm_ | You know the alteration you are doing DaemonFC of the SLIC id | Aug 15 15:42 |
| oiaohm_ | I do that from a network card bios chip | Aug 15 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | right, but once you have a flash ROM image you know is good, you can repeat it infinitely | Aug 15 15:42 |
| oiaohm_ | In the ram copy of the bios | Aug 15 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | on the same model motherboard | Aug 15 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | so for mass "piracy", this method works well | Aug 15 15:42 |
| oiaohm_ | To find out if the system will be fine. | Aug 15 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | but for a home user, they risk that their flash goes wrong | Aug 15 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | and the PC is a brick | Aug 15 15:43 |
| oiaohm_ | If it pays up the bios has a bad board. | Aug 15 15:43 |
| oiaohm_ | pps backwards | Aug 15 15:43 |
| oiaohm_ | Board has a bad bios | Aug 15 15:43 |
| oiaohm_ | No risk | Aug 15 15:43 |
| oiaohm_ | If it don't work just remove the network card. DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:43 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm_, So, those modified bootloaders that people are using | Aug 15 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | is it possible to make one that Windows can't detect? | Aug 15 15:44 |
| cubevector | socketed bios is easy replaced | Aug 15 15:44 |
| oiaohm_ | Not all boards are socketed. | Aug 15 15:44 |
| cubevector | just be ready with spares | Aug 15 15:44 |
| cubevector | true, but I would avoid unsocketed motherboards | Aug 15 15:44 |
| oiaohm_ | I do repairs and work on a stack of things. | Aug 15 15:45 |
| oiaohm_ | So I don't always get what I want. | Aug 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't get why that infinite rearm thing was made public | Aug 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | if I had found it I would have made it public right after SP1 was shipping | Aug 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | you know they're going to close that with SP 1 now | Aug 15 15:46 |
| oiaohm_ | infinate rearm is not infinate | Aug 15 15:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes its long | Aug 15 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | oh? | Aug 15 15:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Is 3 and a half years. | Aug 15 15:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Then it dies. | Aug 15 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | well | Aug 15 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | oh well | Aug 15 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 15 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | reinstall Windows every 3.5 years? | Aug 15 15:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep | Aug 15 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's already longer than most people go anyway | Aug 15 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | Windows doesn't age well | Aug 15 15:47 |
| cubevector | wow, yet another reason not to use doze | Aug 15 15:47 |
| cubevector | I detect a pro-tip coming on | Aug 15 15:47 |
| oiaohm_ | But until activated windows cannot install many windows updates. | Aug 15 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | you get all updates while in grace period | Aug 15 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Aug 15 15:47 |
| oiaohm_ | Nop | Aug 15 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | what can't you install? | Aug 15 15:48 |
| oiaohm_ | Most .net runtimes. | Aug 15 15:48 |
| oiaohm_ | Newer versions of IE | Aug 15 15:48 |
| oiaohm_ | Updates to windows media player | Aug 15 15:48 |
| oiaohm_ | And the list goes on DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | IE sucks | Aug 15 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Media Player sucks | Aug 15 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | .NET sucks | Aug 15 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | so what important things don't work? | Aug 15 15:49 |
| oiaohm_ | Lot of major secuirty holes cannot be patched. | Aug 15 15:49 |
| oiaohm_ | Until activated. | Aug 15 15:49 |
| oiaohm_ | Including like the help file exploit. | Aug 15 15:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes it works but you are even more of a sitting duck than normal DaemonFC | Aug 15 15:50 |
| cubevector | you would think people would get sick of windows computers | Aug 15 15:50 |
| cubevector | it's just this horrible thing that's everywhere | Aug 15 15:51 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, Go_OO still crashes when you open a docx | Aug 15 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Aug 15 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: man: "doctor, it hurts me me when I do that"; doctor: "so don't do that" | Aug 15 16:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Domaintransfer progressing, etherpad move done, designing new #utnr infrastructure with the 4 x335 servers in mind. Busy sunday. | Aug 15 16:32 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/353895/hp_seeks_palmpad_trademark_webos-based_ipad_killer_way?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Aug 15 16:34 |
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| *schestowitz looks forward to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10740817 in the UK | Aug 15 16:34 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1726121/council-wastes-gbp40-ipads-counsellors | Aug 15 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | Astounding! | Aug 15 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Would cost under 4000 otherwise | Aug 15 16:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10859748 | Aug 15 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | There is a happy ending though: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1726923/councillor-cancelled-ipad?WT.rss_f=News&WT.rss_a=Councillor+cancelled+Ipad+order | Aug 15 16:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Will OOo Base run without Java? | Aug 15 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Weird move from RackSpace: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/rackspace_windows_cloud/ | Aug 15 16:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Rackspace does cloudy Windows servers • The Register .::. Size~: 28.09 KB | Aug 15 16:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah | Aug 15 16:39 |
| schestowitz | I think just particular features need java | Aug 15 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Like export as HTML | Aug 15 16:39 |
| gnufreex | Rackspace has ex-Micrsofotie | Aug 15 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Java is OK | Aug 15 16:39 |
| gnufreex | In management | Aug 15 16:39 |
| schestowitz | And Oracle owns OOo, it won't attack it | Aug 15 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Seems like Oracle sued just Google simply to avoid fragmenting Java, which doesn't make the lawsuit OK | Aug 15 16:40 |
| amarsh04 | Debian managed to get OOo running without Sun Java, but they used a GPL Java | Aug 15 16:40 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: which one/s? | Aug 15 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I hadn't noticed | Aug 15 16:40 |
| gnufreex | Scoble | Aug 15 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Aug 15 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know he was there | Aug 15 16:40 |
| schestowitz | He was in some startup before that | Aug 15 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I bet he's just some marketing lackey | Aug 15 16:40 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: anyone else though? | Aug 15 16:40 |
| schestowitz | He's no CEO | Aug 15 16:40 |
| gnufreex | http://scobleizer.com/2010/07/18/rackspace-announces-opensource-cloud/ | Aug 15 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | I think Bangee Labs is where he went before... dibsanded perhaps... Reverend Ted from Novell was there too, I think | Aug 15 16:41 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: but who /else/? | Aug 15 16:41 |
| gnufreex | I am not sure if there is anyone else | Aug 15 16:41 |
| gnufreex | I don't know. | Aug 15 16:42 |
| schestowitz | I know that Silverlight support came after board takeover | Aug 15 16:42 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: what's his role? I could look up, hold on.... | Aug 15 16:42 |
| schestowitz | "On March 14, 2009, Scoble announced via his blog and on the Gillmor Gang that he was joining Rackspace. As part of his work there, Scoble will team up with the company to develop Building 43, a new content and social networking website." | Aug 15 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Just some marketing fluffer | Aug 15 16:43 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scoble_by_feldstein.jpg | Aug 15 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1727684/windows-xp-sp2-live-thanks-grand-theft-auto | Aug 15 16:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Windows xp sp2 could live on thanks to grand theft auto - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 72.29 KB | Aug 15 16:43 |
| gnufreex | I learned he is at Rackspace when OpenStack was anounced | Aug 15 16:43 |
| amarsh04 | OOo reportbuilder appears to need some kind of Java | Aug 15 16:44 |
| gnufreex | It doesn't need dalvik for sure. Java is not Dalvik | Aug 15 16:44 |
| schestowitz | .NET and Mono have reasons to worry | Aug 15 16:46 |
| schestowitz | They too can be sued now | Aug 15 16:46 |
| schestowitz | By Oracle with Gosling et al patents | Aug 15 16:46 |
| gnufreex | Yeah. I was thinking that, Roy | Aug 15 16:46 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm explained it well earlier | Aug 15 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Oracle hates .NET | Aug 15 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Oracle mailed me some months ago | Aug 15 16:47 |
| gnufreex | Novell has history of bending to extortion, they paid privilege to Microsoft | Aug 15 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Or some agency of theirs | Aug 15 16:47 |
| gnufreex | Oracle might try too. | Aug 15 16:47 |
| schestowitz | .NET dropped Oracle hooks | Aug 15 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Oracle was furious | Aug 15 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Ellison planned .NET rival some years ago, I read in at least one site | Aug 15 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Never seen something come out of it, now he has Java (and pseudo-Java on best-selling phones) | Aug 15 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Microsoft news is very dry this week | Aug 15 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe cause it's summer | Aug 15 16:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/356878/hp_details_tablet_plans_confirms_windows_7_webos_versions?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Aug 15 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | HP cancelled the Vista 7 slate | Aug 15 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Now it's on a tablet, after the Microsoft VP took over software VP seat | Aug 15 16:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Made sure my etherpad only serves its stuff using https - fells a bit more secure. | Aug 15 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | I reckon he played at least *some* role | Aug 15 16:49 |
| schestowitz | He does-- after all--sit on the desk in those exec meetings | Aug 15 16:49 |
| gnufreex | I have teory about canning Hurd | Aug 15 16:49 |
| gnufreex | I think Microsoft set him up | Aug 15 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Aug 15 16:49 |
| gnufreex | Because of his Linux releated aquisitions | Aug 15 16:49 |
| schestowitz | I have a post about Hurd coming | Aug 15 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft exec might replace him | Aug 15 16:50 |
| gnufreex | I think Microsoft want HP to kill Palm | Aug 15 16:50 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about that | Aug 15 16:50 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, some new Beluzzo might replace him | Aug 15 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Office chief | Aug 15 16:50 |
| schestowitz | WHat's his name? Asian soemthing | Aug 15 16:50 |
| gnufreex | HP Enterpirse Software division (HP-UX and VMS) already got Microsoftie | Aug 15 16:50 |
| gnufreex | At helm | Aug 15 16:51 |
| schestowitz | They pull a Bartz on HP? | Aug 15 16:51 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, I think that | Aug 15 16:51 |
| gnufreex | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/05/hp_tapes_veghte_software/ | Aug 15 16:52 |
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| gnufreex | Roy, you asked me abut name of someone. I don't get? | Aug 15 16:53 |
| gnufreex | I was talking about Rick Belluzo, one who killed PA-RISC at HP and MIPS at SGI | Aug 15 16:54 |
| gnufreex | And than got a job at Microsoft | Aug 15 16:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/03/infected_motherboards/ | Aug 15 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | I never heard of Belluzo | Aug 15 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Dell is being killed | Aug 15 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Reliant on Intel bribes for profit | Aug 15 16:56 |
| schestowitz | And the poor firm turned to Linux | Aug 15 16:56 |
| gnufreex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Belluzzo | Aug 15 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Can't get much love from Microsoft those OEMs | Aug 15 16:56 |
| schestowitz | "In August 1999, Belluzzo left SGI to head Microsoft's MSN division." | Aug 15 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of which | Aug 15 16:57 |
| schestowitz | In the news: | Aug 15 16:57 |
| gnufreex | He even got place in urban dictonary | Aug 15 16:57 |
| gnufreex | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=belluzzo&defid=3861632 | Aug 15 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/newsweekcoms-managing-editor-is-bailing-for-msn-2010-8 | Aug 15 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Newsweek.com's Managing Editor Is Bailing For MSN .::. Size~: 105.75 KB | Aug 15 16:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @TheTechScribe: Stupid data center tricks - http://bit.ly/cTCfYg Those pesky humans... Always goofing up. Me: surprised it's only 70% | Aug 15 16:57 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Stupid data center tricks - Computerworld .::. Size~: 80.63 KB | Aug 15 16:57 |
| schestowitz | So Microsoft pays the main editor supremo of NW | Aug 15 16:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @bob_sutor: Blog post: Sailing: 5 books to get you started http://bit.ly/dDxKpN Bob, Did you get her in the water this weekend? | Aug 15 16:58 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sailing: 5 books to get you started | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 48.58 KB | Aug 15 16:58 |
| gnufreex | Bob Sutor... that's IBM fauxpensource guy? | Aug 15 17:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/23/dell_malware_update/ | Aug 15 17:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dell blames staff for malware infection • The Register .::. Size~: 23.93 KB | Aug 15 17:06 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: yeah, him and his hypePad | Aug 15 17:06 |
| schestowitz | To be frank, he does help Linux | Aug 15 17:07 |
| schestowitz | It's like a business-oriented PJ | Aug 15 17:07 |
| schestowitz | "IBM is king", "Apple is kooool", "I sometimes use Linux" | Aug 15 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | IBM really is king | Aug 15 17:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | king of a kingdom that doesnt really matter, but they ARE king of it | Aug 15 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Yes, the US computing trailblazer | Aug 15 17:08 |
| schestowitz | IBM is like a govt. franchise | Aug 15 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Like BT or BP | Aug 15 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Or Nokia and Philips in their own countries | Aug 15 17:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/201692/dell_revamps_hardware_testing_in_wake_of_malware_issue.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 17:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Did my monthly flattr for wikileaks. | Aug 15 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/04/limo_linux/ | Aug 15 17:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: LiMo rumoured set for recall to Linux mothership • The Register .::. Size~: 23.62 KB | Aug 15 17:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/203284/Open_Source_Software_Frequent%20Flier_Virgin%20America.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 17:14 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Open Source Software a Frequent Flier on Virgin America - PCWorld .::. Size~: 67.08 KB | Aug 15 17:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/open_source_numbers/ | Aug 15 17:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Open source's ardent admirers take but don't give • The Register .::. Size~: 25.94 KB | Aug 15 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Matt Asay - hypocrite :-0 :-) | Aug 15 17:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell accused of hiding incriminating evidence in defect case http://ur1.ca/15atu Shades of Intel and Microsoft | Aug 15 17:17 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dell accused of hiding incriminating evidence in defect case • The Register .::. Size~: 26.47 KB | Aug 15 17:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1727424/dell-score-goal-streak | Aug 15 17:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dell will score an own goal with the streak - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 61.34 KB | Aug 15 17:17 |
| schestowitz | `http://www.pcworld.com/article/200724/is_dells_streak_a_jumbo_smartphone_or_a_tiny_tablet.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 17:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is Dell’s Streak a Jumbo Smartphone or a Tiny Tablet? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 73.29 KB | Aug 15 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/203302/oracles_borg_strategy_continues.html | Aug 15 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Oracle's Borg Strategy Continues - PCWorld .::. Size~: 70.14 KB | Aug 15 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | Borgacle? | Aug 15 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | OOo Novell Edition | Aug 15 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Go-ne | Aug 15 17:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/08/12/ex-googler-discusses-life-at-facebook | Aug 15 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ex-Googler Discusses Life At Facebook | WebProNews .::. Size~: 36.48 KB | Aug 15 17:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/202974/South_Korea_Crashes_Google_Street_View_Party_Finally.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 17:32 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: South Korea Crashes Google's Street View Party, Finally - PCWorld .::. Size~: 75.25 KB | Aug 15 17:32 |
| schestowitz | "So basically, Google has already confessed to the deed, and now South Korea wants to figure out whether Google broke any laws with the Street View data collection gaffe. I'm guessing the raid in South Korea is more of a visit to collect information than a kick-down-the-door scenario; Google says it's cooperating with the investigation." | Aug 15 17:32 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0705/bp-oil-spill-costs-spike-3-billion/ | Aug 15 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BP oil spill costs spike above $3 billion | Raw Story .::. Size~: 26.82 KB | Aug 15 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | BP is no longer in the news very much | Aug 15 17:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/200506/singapore_bank_suffers_massive_it_failure.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 17:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Singapore Bank Suffers Massive IT Failure - PCWorld .::. Size~: 70.94 KB | Aug 15 17:36 |
| schestowitz | "While the root cause of the outage remains uncertain, DBS is investigating the system failure with help from IBM, which runs some of the bank's IT operations under an outsourcing contract." | Aug 15 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | British Polluters will do the "Right Thing"(R) | Aug 15 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | British Polluters "Will make this right"(R) | Aug 15 17:42 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0707/olbermann-calls-oprah-crush-limbaugh/ | Aug 15 17:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Olbermann calls on Oprah to crush racist Limbaugh | Raw Story .::. Size~: 69.66 KB | Aug 15 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Did you see how fast they shitcanned Yacht Boy? | Aug 15 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 15 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | as in, they let him embarrass them as much as he could | Aug 15 17:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0707/olbermann-calls-oprah-crush-limbaugh/ | Aug 15 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Olbermann calls on Oprah to crush racist Limbaugh | Raw Story .::. Size~: 69.66 KB | Aug 15 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | and then when they finally couldn't take it anymore, they appointed a token American as their CEO | Aug 15 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, BP will rebrand just watch | Aug 15 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Possible | Aug 15 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Like BT did | Aug 15 17:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: your idol: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10545038 | Aug 15 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BBC News - Record label brands Justin Bieber tour vote "a hoax" .::. Size~: 44.17 KB | Aug 15 17:45 |
| schestowitz | *LMAO* | Aug 15 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Record label brands Justin Bieber "a hoax" .: | Aug 15 17:45 |
| *DaemonFC suspects schestowitz is a Biebian with a copy of photoshop | Aug 15 17:45 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Biebianism happens when the sperm and the egg can't decide on a gander | Aug 15 17:46 |
| schestowitz | *gender | Aug 15 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | you don't suppose s/he's a hermaphrodite | Aug 15 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Aug 15 17:47 |
| *OsamaK has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | Aug 15 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | TJ has a new segment on it | Aug 15 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10545038 | Aug 15 17:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BBC News - Record label brands Justin Bieber tour vote "a hoax" .::. Size~: 44.18 KB | Aug 15 17:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: oops; This one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijk75NqPmXw | Aug 15 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Watch it, it's funny | Aug 15 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | saw it | Aug 15 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What do you think of Lotus Symphony? | Aug 15 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Never tried it | Aug 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | heard negative things | Aug 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | LOL! cats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijk75NqPmXw | Aug 15 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/innovation/07/08/cat.bionic.feet/index.html | Aug 15 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Cat amputee fitted with 'bionic' feet - CNN.com .::. Size~: 38.45 KB | Aug 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | This one | Aug 15 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Lotus_Symphony | Aug 15 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IBM Lotus Symphony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 70.96 KB | Aug 15 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | They have generic DEBs and RPMs | Aug 15 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | and a Windows installer | Aug 15 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | and OS X support too | Aug 15 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Naaa... | Aug 15 17:53 |
| schestowitz | No releases for a while. | Aug 15 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Whao: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0708/legal-group-gays-answer-pentagon-survey/ | Aug 15 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Legal group: Gays shouldnt answer Pentagon survey | Raw Story .::. Size~: 25.13 KB | Aug 15 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/search.jsp?S_TACT=104CBW71&S_CMP=&s=&k=ALL&pid=&q=Symphony+3+beta&ibm-search=Search&pf=&b=&q0= | Aug 15 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IBM Software .::. Size~: 6.06 KB | Aug 15 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Lotus Symphony 3 Beta 3 | Aug 15 17:53 |
| schestowitz | whoa, your govt. is still messed up like this? | Aug 15 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, So? | Aug 15 17:53 |
| schestowitz | AP: "The largest Russia-U.S. spy swap since the Cold War appeared to be in motion Thursday, with a Russian convicted of spying for the United States reportedly plucked from a Moscow prison and flown to Vienna. Defense lawyers in the U.S. say they hoped for an immediate resolution for their 10 clients charged with spying for Russia." | Aug 15 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, So let me ask you something about the (once) great UK? | Aug 15 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | If an openly gay man joined your military, your laws allow that | Aug 15 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | cool | Aug 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/08/obama-berry-bubble-g.html | Aug 15 17:54 |
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| DaemonFC | He'll also get murdered won't he? | Aug 15 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | I mean really | Aug 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: EU laws are more reasonable | Aug 15 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Except libel law in the UK | Aug 15 17:56 |
| schestowitz | http://sites.google.com/site/redcodenl/creating-shazam-in-java-1 | Aug 15 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | the laws maybe | Aug 15 17:56 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Creating Shazam in Java - redcode.nl .::. Size~: 58.06 KB | Aug 15 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure the mindset is the same though | Aug 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | We have patent security.... security from crazy US patents | Aug 15 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | not for long | Aug 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | THE US is run by religious lawyers | Aug 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | They have to be faith-ful to be electable | Aug 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | And many are legal types | Aug 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Not scientirts | Aug 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | So the lawyers rule in the US | Aug 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Lawsuits and the likes of them | Aug 15 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | or so you say | Aug 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/08/one-armed-chinese-mo.html | Aug 15 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: One-armed Chinese monkey kills 80 chickens - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 51.09 KB | Aug 15 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | the UK has a state church | Aug 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Jabba is famous | Aug 15 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | what do you say to that? | Aug 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Not many subscribe to it | Aug 15 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | It has one | Aug 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | In the UK it's acceptable to mock fairy tales | Aug 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | In the US it's frowned upon | Aug 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | It's repsressed | Aug 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Like people in the US who adhere to reality have to 'come out of a closet' | Aug 15 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Aug 15 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | most people say they're religious when they really aren't | Aug 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0708/appalled-barbaric-stoning-plan-iran/ | Aug 15 18:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: US appalled by barbaric stoning plan in Iran | Raw Story .::. Size~: 59.08 KB | Aug 15 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | just because it's the "done thing" | Aug 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | That's a problem | Aug 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | They quietly give way to nutters and "God hate fags" banner carriers | Aug 15 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's easier to lie than potentially start an argument with some fucktard | Aug 15 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | who might happen to be your boss | Aug 15 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | or a cop | Aug 15 18:01 |
| schestowitz | That's the problem | Aug 15 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Same with politics | Aug 15 18:01 |
| schestowitz | People can only resolve it by normalising it | Aug 15 18:01 |
| schestowitz | AP: "Sheriff's Department investigating Mel Gibson in alleged domestic violence incident" | Aug 15 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Apparently IBM is basing Symphony 2 on OOo | Aug 15 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Another religious nutter | Aug 15 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | so there's now an IBM edition of OOo with some extensions | Aug 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | It always has | Aug 15 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | err *3 | Aug 15 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh? | Aug 15 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | I was unaware it even existed until I ran into it on Wikipedia | Aug 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | IBM puts the S* in shoody :-) | Aug 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | *ddy | Aug 15 18:02 |
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| DaemonFC | "During the Lotusphere event in 2009, IBM confirmed its cost reduction effort using Lotus Symphony: the company is migrating its 400,000 users from Microsoft Office to Lotus Symphony." | Aug 15 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there's some good news at least | Aug 15 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | 400,000 less MS Office 2010 site licenses | Aug 15 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Aug 15 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | that has to sting | Aug 15 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | The OOo OOXML import filters are getting pretty good | Aug 15 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/200734/olpc_to_add_multitouch_screen_to_future_xo175_laptop.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 18:05 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OLPC to Add Multitouch Screen to Future XO-1.75 Laptop - PCWorld .::. Size~: 68.89 KB | Aug 15 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | which is important because if it can't format them right, nobody is going to export them out to ODF | Aug 15 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's a necessary evil I guess | Aug 15 18:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1721739/meego-flies-benchmark-test | Aug 15 18:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Meego flies in benchmark test - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 60.75 KB | Aug 15 18:06 |
| schestowitz | More news for you: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/us/09marriage.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=defense%20of%20marriage%20act&st=cse | Aug 15 18:07 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Not everything IBM puts out is bad | Aug 15 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | I tried to get ahold of a reasonably priced PowerPC workstation though | Aug 15 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | and gave up on that | Aug 15 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | the only cost effective way to get PowerPC is to buy a used Mac on ebay or something | Aug 15 18:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Terrafugia Flying Car Approved by FAA, Will Be Available Next Year http://ur1.ca/15b6q faster way to use up the world's oil | Aug 15 18:10 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Terrafugia Flying Car Approved by FAA, Will Be Available Next Year | Popular Science .::. Size~: 110.62 KB | Aug 15 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the installer is nicer than OOo | Aug 15 18:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that was tongue in cheek remark | Aug 15 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | and it doesn't try to shove Java on me | Aug 15 18:12 |
| schestowitz | IBM makes strong products | Aug 15 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'm installing Lotus just to see if I like it better than OOo | Aug 15 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | it looks like the modifications are fairly extensive | Aug 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/08/tired-gay-succumbs-t.html | Aug 15 18:14 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Reuters headline: "Tired Gay succumbs to Dix" - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 74.9 KB | Aug 15 18:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/07/27000_abandoned_oil_and_gas_we.html | Aug 15 18:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 27,000 abandoned oil and gas wells in Gulf of Mexico ignored by government, industry | NOLA.com .::. Size~: 90.66 KB | Aug 15 18:15 |
| schestowitz | http://xkcd.com/765/ | Aug 15 18:18 |
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| DaemonFC | the layout is nice | Aug 15 18:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10595054 | Aug 15 18:19 |
| schestowitz | heh. | Aug 15 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/12/hillier_id_cards/ | Aug 15 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | My friend's girlfriend found her ID card this morning | Aug 15 18:21 |
| schestowitz | She wasted money on it | Aug 15 18:21 |
| schestowitz | I tried hard not to laugh at her for it | Aug 15 18:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: get ready for RFID/phone being obligatory | Aug 15 18:21 |
| schestowitz | They just need to come up with euphemisms first | Aug 15 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | you mean the system your government spend lots of money on and then didn't buy any readers cause it wasn't in the budget | Aug 15 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Like PATRIOS cards | Aug 15 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 18:22 |
| schestowitz | The HERO system | Aug 15 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Human Escape Rendered Obslete | Aug 15 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 15 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Lotus has an embedded web browser | Aug 15 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | with tabs even | Aug 15 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | but the rendering engine is IE/Trident | Aug 15 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | you can tell it to launch your default web browser instead though | Aug 15 18:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/07/12/reddit-taking-donations-for-reddit-gold?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed+%28Top+News+Items+-+WebProNews%29 "In other words, Reddit needs help, and is asking for donations. " | Aug 15 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Reddit Taking Donations for Reddit Gold (and Gettting Them) | WebProNews .::. Size~: 38.39 KB | Aug 15 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | you can also set it to remove your personal information from a file before saving it | Aug 15 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Business model? :S | Aug 15 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | though this isn't the default behavior | Aug 15 18:25 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0712/wis-senate-hopeful-116k-bp-stock/ | Aug 15 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Wis. Senate hopeful has at least $116K in BP stock | Raw Story .::. Size~: 40.1 KB | Aug 15 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | it looks like a credible alternative to other Office suites | Aug 15 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | Do a review of it then | Aug 15 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's not just a renaming and some bundled OOo extensions like OOo Novell | Aug 15 18:28 |
| schestowitz | You still have a blog, no? | Aug 15 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 15 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Restore it then | Aug 15 18:28 |
| nadege | Not sure Hurd was fired due to Microsoft Retaliation : HP & Microsoft are partners, and HP promote a lot the Microsoft products | Aug 15 18:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/networking/40376-aapt-puts-1200-staff-on-gmail | Aug 15 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Lockin (Fog) | Aug 15 18:29 |
| schestowitz | nadege: yeah | Aug 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | But maybe Microsoft wants its own exec as HP CEO | Aug 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | That's what gnufreex thought | Aug 15 18:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/another-piece-of-microsofts-oslo-modeling-puzzle-disappears/7014 another project dies, another piece of NET dies | Aug 15 18:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Another piece of Microsoft's Oslo modeling puzzle disappears | ZDNet .::. Size~: 117.92 KB | Aug 15 18:30 |
| nadege | I will see. I work at HP ;) | Aug 15 18:31 |
| gnufreex | nadege: HP does promote Microsoft, but Microsoft doesn't forgive competition | Aug 15 18:31 |
| gnufreex | Palm is competition | Aug 15 18:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "In 2007, Microsoft first discussed publicly its plans for ?Oslo? ? an amorphous multi-product effort that encompased future releases of .Net, Visual Studio, BizTalk and SQL Serve" | Aug 15 18:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1722230/brits-replacing-memories-phones "A study released by life assistance company CPP said that 23 million Britons can't remember their partner's mobile number, 30 million can't recall their best friend's number and 22 million forget their parents' mobile number." | Aug 15 18:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Brits are replacing their memories with their phones - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 57.69 KB | Aug 15 18:32 |
| nadege | Anyway, HP is the only one major PC manufacturer to feature Laptop/Netbook/Workstation with Linux. It's SLED though | Aug 15 18:32 |
| *schestowitz never memorised his own teleephone # | Aug 15 18:32 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft is dropping Quadrant, a tool originally slated to be part its data-modeling platform, which was originally codenamed Oslo, and is revising its plans for its M data-modeling language" | Aug 15 18:32 |
| gnufreex | C# sucks, they make one more language... hahaha | Aug 15 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I wrote about this in http://techrights.org/2010/08/06/quadrant-reportedly-dies/ | Aug 15 18:33 |
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| nadege | gnufreex: HP promotes Microsoft due to a special relationship. However, HP is still an independant company. So I don't thikn Microsoft will put its own CEO at HP | Aug 15 18:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok, thought you did not have that one yet | Aug 15 18:33 |
| schestowitz | HP is close to C# | Aug 15 18:34 |
| schestowitz | See ECMA | Aug 15 18:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/200971/ibm_takes_blame_for_massive_bank_system_failure.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 18:34 |
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| gnufreex | nadege: Yahoo was too independadnt company and they put Bartz. And SGI too. And HP of 90'. Read this http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=belluzzo&defid=3861632 | Aug 15 18:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Urban Dictionary: belluzzo .::. Size~: 18.39 KB | Aug 15 18:35 |
| gnufreex | Also note what they did to IBM's OS/2, IBM was special partner too. | Aug 15 18:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'MLB umpires miss 20 percent of close calls, according to "Outside The Lines" survey' http://is.gd/eiV1L | Aug 15 18:36 | |
| gnufreex | When you are Microsoft competitor, you are on their hit list | Aug 15 18:36 |
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| nadege | I know about Belluzzo. Hurd was not a Microsoft Monkey. We should know the new CEO within 2 weeks | Aug 15 18:36 |
| gnufreex | That is exactly why they are firing him | Aug 15 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has only one monkey :-) | Aug 15 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Ballmer will be HP CEO | Aug 15 18:37 |
| gnufreex | I mean, not they are not firing him, they are setting the harasment case | Aug 15 18:37 |
| schestowitz | And Mundie become CEO of MSFT | Aug 15 18:37 |
| nadege | HP has to be close to Microsoft, otherwise Microsoft will favour Acer or Dell, and HP will lose its leadership. It's tough to be a Microsoft Partner | Aug 15 18:37 |
| gnufreex | Haha | Aug 15 18:37 |
| nadege | And believe me : Customers (Companies and end users) want Microsoft products. They won't accept any huge replacement of Windows. | Aug 15 18:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they will on tablets | Aug 15 18:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just look at the iPad | Aug 15 18:40 |
| nadege | Tablets, OK. Android will perform well | Aug 15 18:40 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, and that is why Microsfot want Palm dead, and they need CEO who will kill it. | Aug 15 18:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Smartbooks, CE sucks there | Aug 15 18:40 |
| schestowitz | It sucks *everywhere* | Aug 15 18:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can now consolidate your work and transportation :http://gizmodo.com/5585797/lawn-mower-tricycle-doesnt-makes-lawn-mowing-any-more-fun | Aug 15 18:41 |
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| nadege | On Netbook, it's a little bit difficult : HP tried to find a Linux Partner that can be solid enough to support an OS on a end-user product. HP chose SLED 10 on HP 2133 and 2140. The sales were OK, but we got a lot of feedback from customers wanting Windows (not the majority, though) | Aug 15 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Aug 15 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | schestowitz> It sucks *everywhere*" (CE) http://redmondmag.com/articles/2010/08/13/microsoft-windows-mobile-loses-ground-in-smartphone-market.aspx | Aug 15 18:42 |
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| gnufreex | *When I said they need CEO to kill Palm, I mean new HP CEO. Hurd didn't want to kill his product just to please Microsoft, and now has to go. But then again, he is maybe just a rapist and deserves to be fired, and Microsoft has nothing to do with it :-) | Aug 15 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: unless you can think of an exception | Aug 15 18:42 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how much they even develop it | Aug 15 18:43 |
| schestowitz | They sevenwashed WIndows EMbedded | Aug 15 18:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, I believe CE based platforms are all bad and will fail | Aug 15 18:43 |
| nadege | Now we provide HP 5102/5103/2102 with SLED 11. It's better but not perfect | Aug 15 18:43 |
| schestowitz | YEah, Microsoft is OK with those | Aug 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is paid for SLED | Aug 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | So it doesn't matter if people get Windows or SLED | Aug 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | What happened to the Ubuntu derivative from HO? | Aug 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | HP | Aug 15 18:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | depends on who buys Suse | Aug 15 18:45 |
| schestowitz | The one Microsoft was worried about in its SEC filing, along with Intel's Moblin | Aug 15 18:45 |
| nadege | In fact, HP paid several thousands SLED coupons years ago. Not sure HP paid to Microsoft, but I know Novell gets money from each Netbook with SLED we sell | Aug 15 18:46 |
| nadege | HP does not want Ubuntu, at least not the "community" edition. Ubuntu is not a corporate distro and then HP only supports Redhat and SuSE | Aug 15 18:47 |
| gnufreex | That apply to servers. | Aug 15 18:48 |
| gnufreex | SLED sucks compared to Ubuntu | Aug 15 18:48 |
| gnufreex | RHEL Desktop is good, though | Aug 15 18:48 |
| nadege | Also for Business Netbook/Laptop/Workstation | Aug 15 18:48 |
| nadege | SLED cannot be compared to Ubuntu. You can compare SLED to ubuntu LTS, and Ubuntu to OpenSuSE | Aug 15 18:49 |
| gnufreex | That is what I am comparing :) | Aug 15 18:49 |
| nadege | I don't want to feed the fucking troll, but as far as Novell contribute to the Linux ecosystem (second after Redhat), I think it's unfair to bash this company. It is only my opinion though | Aug 15 18:51 |
| nadege | I would like to see Canonical contributing a little bit more | Aug 15 18:51 |
| gnufreex | Did you try SLED recently? I had a misfortune. The scripts it _ships_ with are broken. YaST breaks and makes RPM hell. It is not for bussines people, and it is not even release quality software. | Aug 15 18:53 |
| gnufreex | Novell is failing at QA, and community is not helping. | Aug 15 18:53 |
| gnufreex | I would like Canonical to contribute more too. | Aug 15 18:54 |
| nadege | I will try soon an HP 2102 with SLED 11. I will give some feedback | Aug 15 18:54 |
| nadege | I know SLED 11 was succesfully deployed in a Belgian ministry | Aug 15 18:54 |
| nadege | Also, SLED 11 got good reviews not so long ago. However, the SLED 11 I will get will be an HP customized one (HP repository and some HP tools included) | Aug 15 18:55 |
| nadege | Did you contact the Novell support team ? I did not see such things around the Net. May be an Update issue | Aug 15 18:56 |
| gnufreex | It was evaluation, the trial. | Aug 15 18:57 |
| gnufreex | SLED has a trial... I think 60 days. | Aug 15 18:58 |
| gnufreex | I didn't want to bother with it, just gone with RHEL Desktop | Aug 15 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | [18:53] <gnufreex> Did you try SLED recently? | Aug 15 19:00 |
| schestowitz | There's no recent SLED | Aug 15 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: | Aug 15 19:00 |
| schestowitz | SLED 11 is old | Aug 15 19:00 |
| schestowitz | [18:54] <nadege> I know SLED 11 was succesfully deployed in a Belgian ministry | Aug 15 19:01 |
| schestowitz | France uses Ubuntu in government | Aug 15 19:01 |
| schestowitz | http://iwl.me/ | Aug 15 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | nadege: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/353465/opensuse_11_3_released_two_netbook_options?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Aug 15 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | This might be better than SLED 11 | Aug 15 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Newer software | Aug 15 19:04 |
| nadege | SLED 11 SP1 is a little bit less old ;) Anyway such distro (SLED/RHEL/Ubuntu LTS) are not bleeding edge | Aug 15 19:05 |
| nadege | Does someone heard about the State of Linux in Vienna and PSA ? | Aug 15 19:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.osor.eu/news/at-viennas-city-leaders-keep-open-source-study-results-under-wraps | Aug 15 19:10 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft is paying the Skipscreen people to Bingjack your Firefox | Aug 15 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://a.imageshack.us/img15/9515/54467876.png | Aug 15 19:16 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz likes Microsoft Firefox | Aug 15 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | it is his favorite browser | Aug 15 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | basically Microsoft is doing a coordinated effort to turn Firefox into a Microsoft product | Aug 15 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | with their .NET extensions and mandatory Bing | Aug 15 19:19 |
| schestowitz | nadege: http://schestowitz.com/UseNet/2009/April_2009/msg00589.html | Aug 15 19:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Magnetic Resonance Imaging of Foods http://insideinsides.blogspot.com/ Interesting idea for a blog #imaging #mri | Aug 15 19:27 | |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/07/19/netflix-to-launch-in-canada-this-fall They have former Microsoft execs IIRC | Aug 15 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | Silver Lie | Aug 15 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Although they too seem to be giving up on Silver Lie, over time | Aug 15 19:28 |
| gnufreex | Silver Lie? | Aug 15 19:29 |
| gnufreex | You mean SilverBlight? | Aug 15 19:29 |
| gnufreex | :-) | Aug 15 19:29 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: It is like a blight. | Aug 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/19/palmpad/ | Aug 15 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/20/banksy-does-detroit.html | Aug 15 19:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] My bank doesn't like me ATM. They love my money though. So much they wont give it to me. #postbank #fail | Aug 15 19:36 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/20/banksy-does-detroit.html | Aug 15 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | I hadn't noticed Nokia imploding... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10725887 | Aug 15 19:44 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/203306/surprise_winner_in_oracle_v_google_microsoft.html | Aug 15 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I'm sure you're deslighted | Aug 15 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 15 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Delighted that your hero Ballmer is happy | Aug 15 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Phone 7, baby! | Aug 15 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 15 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | developers! | Aug 15 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/nokia_manifesto_risku/ | Aug 15 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/gawker_4chan_spat/ | Aug 15 19:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 4chan flings faeces at Gawker • The Register .::. Size~: 25.09 KB | Aug 15 19:47 |
| schestowitz | 4chan is now responsible for what commenters do??? | Aug 15 19:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/malaysia_replica_kit_ban/ | Aug 15 19:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Malaysia bans 'satanic' Man Utd kit • The Register .::. Size~: 23.74 KB | Aug 15 19:48 |
| schestowitz | "Manchester United replica shirts have become a banned item in Malaysia after local clerics took exception to the presence of a red devil on the club's crest, branding the image "dangerous and un-Islamic", Sky News reports." | Aug 15 19:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/22/gangs-of-women-in-ru.html | Aug 15 19:48 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 15 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD is banned there? | Aug 15 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Huh? | Aug 15 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Red? | Aug 15 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | Beasty might be unIslamic | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/siemens_scada_worm/ Obama Will Fix Everything{Tm} | Aug 15 19:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Removing SCADA worm could disrupt power plants • The Register .::. Size~: 25.06 KB | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/columns/0003/inroads019.htm http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20100718x2.html | Aug 15 19:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Canadian finds his own silk road : Columns : DAILY YOMIURI ONLINE (The Daily Yomiuri) .::. Size~: 21.1 KB | Aug 15 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Moths | Aug 15 19:52 |
| schestowitz | *facepalm* http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/20/south.africa.female.condom/index.html | Aug 15 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: South African doctor invents female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - CNN.com .::. Size~: 41.38 KB | Aug 15 19:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcworld.com/article/203180/microsoft_stick_with_what_you_know_even_if_it_sucks.html?tk=hp_new by Robert X. Cringely | Aug 15 19:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft: Stick with What You Know, Even If It Sucks - PCWorld .::. Size~: 72.48 KB | Aug 15 19:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "It's kind of pathetic, really. Most of these arguments are premised on the notion that if you've already wasted most of your adult life using Windows, you'll be more familiar with it than the Mac, so you might as well waste the rest of your adult life. Which is really the only reason why Microsoft continues to dominate desktop market share: It's harder to switch than to stick with what you got, even if what you got | Aug 15 19:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sucks eggs." | Aug 15 19:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | inertia, is all M$ has left. | Aug 15 19:54 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 15 19:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Cringley seems to sort of use Mac, not sure thats true. But the same points could be used for switching to Linux as well. | Aug 15 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, IBM has obviously put a lot of work into the import filters for OOXML | Aug 15 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | the docx files I had to open all render perfectly | Aug 15 19:58 |
| schestowitz | No, | Aug 15 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Oracle/Sun | Aug 15 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | and export to ODF well too | Aug 15 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 15 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | OOo 3.2.1 and Go-OO 3.2.1 failed horribly | Aug 15 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | OOo destroys the formatting | Aug 15 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | and Go_OO just crashes | Aug 15 19:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/201770/it_departments_swamped_by_consumer)devices.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't use Windows | Aug 15 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> whats IBM's version, Symphony? | Aug 15 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | well, at least now I can open docx files | Aug 15 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 15 19:59 |
| schestowitz | heh: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/23/robot-eats-sewage-fo.html | Aug 15 20:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I think IBM has different import filters than any version of OOo has | Aug 15 20:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | was it a free version? | Aug 15 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, I'm using Symphony 3 beta 3 | Aug 15 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | yes, it's freeware | Aug 15 20:01 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 15 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Not freeware | Aug 15 20:01 |
| schestowitz | You think like a Microsoft faithful, which you are | Aug 15 20:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | freeware is different than than free | Aug 15 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Aug 15 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | it works | Aug 15 20:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | can be | Aug 15 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's free | Aug 15 20:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is it gpl? | Aug 15 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: he's a Ballmer fan | Aug 15 20:02 |
| schestowitz | he likes freeware | Aug 15 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 15 20:02 |
| schestowitz | And BSD | Aug 15 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Which means proprietary under some conditions | Aug 15 20:02 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0723/kucinich-paul-troops-pakistan/ | Aug 15 20:02 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | well, sometime freeware is ok. But I would rather have the really free stuff myself. | Aug 15 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, if it doesn't work and never will, there's no point | Aug 15 20:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | two good points of view | Aug 15 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | OOo has fucked up almost everything I've ever imported into it | Aug 15 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | and Go-OO is now crashing instead of loading documents | Aug 15 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Spending hours fixing formatting or having something that doesn't work at all | Aug 15 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's not really much of a choice | Aug 15 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you could just be a real butthead and tell people to send it in txt | Aug 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Stop opening OOXML | Aug 15 20:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #SPIEGEL #fail: rm -rf - "f steht für "force" - was dem Kommando hohe Priorität gibt. " #ouch | Aug 15 20:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #SPIEGEL #fail: rm -rf - "f steht für "force" - was dem Kommando hohe Priorität gibt. " #ouch http://is.gd/eiZBj | Aug 15 20:04 | |
| schestowitz | It's not a proper format | Aug 15 20:04 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | its what I do | Aug 15 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they want tech support, send it in txt | Aug 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/23/gross-a-licious-cupc.html | Aug 15 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC | TXT is not formatted, nor does it support images, tables, various fonts, etc. | Aug 15 20:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | true | Aug 15 20:05 |
| schestowitz | odf | Aug 15 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | if anything I'd ask for them to export it to HTML | Aug 15 20:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | pdf is not really free either I believe | Aug 15 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I can't save it to ODT if I can't open the DOCX | Aug 15 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | PDF is free | Aug 15 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Don't access OOXML | Aug 15 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I don't | Aug 15 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | export it to PDF, there you go | Aug 15 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | then nobody can ruin it with MS Office | Aug 15 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Don't accept it from people, either | Aug 15 20:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/science-news/health/40626-couch-potatoes-die-sooner | Aug 15 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | that's not an option | Aug 15 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Sure, I'll call the government and ask them not to send me docx | Aug 15 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | it works so well when I ask them to stop doing other stupid shit | Aug 15 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure th4ey'll get right on it | Aug 15 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | see, the law says state agencies can use old MS Office binary formats, OOXML, or ODF | Aug 15 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | you get OOXML increasingly often now (as they upgrade to new versions of Office) | Aug 15 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | and if you're lucky you get the old binary formats | Aug 15 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | but they have to accepts ODF even if they don't send that to you | Aug 15 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Watch how the MSBBC smears Wikileaks: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10757263 http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0725/pr-offensive-wikileaks-92000-afghan-war-docs-spill/ | Aug 15 20:08 |
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| DaemonFC | so I have to be able to open DOCX even just to export to ODF or PDF | Aug 15 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's a clusterfuck of formats where you have to deal with OOXML in some form or another | Aug 15 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | which was the intention in making it | Aug 15 20:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so IBM Symphony, based on Sun's OpenOffice must be open sourced? | Aug 15 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | to inconvenience you to the point where you go out and buy MS Office just to open things other people made | Aug 15 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, No, it doesn't have to be | Aug 15 20:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Unless they have an agreement with Sun | Aug 15 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | parts of it are LGPL | Aug 15 20:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And it was based on an older versoiin of OOO | Aug 15 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | and it looks like IBM has rewritten vast chunks of it | Aug 15 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | no, this is based on OOO 3.2 | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | beta | Aug 15 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | according to the installation folder it decompressed | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | OOo has 3.3 beta | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | IBM has beta for 3.2 | Aug 15 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | tried it | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | To beeak it | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | As usual | Aug 15 20:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, I always wondered why IBM did not port Lotus Smartsuite to Linux | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Like you try Linux | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Then curse it | Aug 15 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, SmartSuite was their old office suite | Aug 15 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | probably not easily ported | Aug 15 20:12 |
| gnufreex | IBM Lotus Symphony is propriatary. It is based on open office, but Sun licensed IBM to make propriatary fork, thanks to copyright assigment. | Aug 15 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Symphony has a Linux port | Aug 15 20:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they still sell Smartsuite | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: yeah | Aug 15 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh, OK them | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I explained it to some journalists who called it "open source" | Aug 15 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | *then | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: DaemonFC advocates it | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | While mocking OOo | Aug 15 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | OOo ruins everything I import | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Reviewers say OOo wins and IBM's junk has no appeal | Aug 15 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | I refuse to waste my time with it anymore | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Use stable versions in both | Aug 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Use a UNIX platform | Aug 15 20:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, maybe as a former MS MVP Ryan has more people using MS Office to communicate with, than most people. | Aug 15 20:14 |
| gnufreex | I was using Hurd and my cat died. With shortcomings like that Hurd will never be a contender! | Aug 15 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | the State of Indiana | Aug 15 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | please go tell them to send me ODF | Aug 15 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | If I wanted to go buy MS Office I would have bought it by now | Aug 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | You get it free | Aug 15 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | ok, if I wanted to use MS Office, I would have it | Aug 15 20:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | With me, they always seem to want tech support for windows, (relatives mostly) so telling them not to use a locked in, hosed piece of spyware, just to send a email is easy. | Aug 15 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | there | Aug 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Today on his agenda: | Aug 15 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | personally I think it's huge and bloated, and broken | Aug 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | 1. smack OOo | Aug 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | 2. Say OOXML is everywhere | Aug 15 20:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@:secretlondon your efforts to gather sounds for TuxPaint are certainly much appreciated by Freda! | Aug 15 20:16 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Abiword will do doc files, not sure about graphics, probably not | Aug 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | vml? | Aug 15 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | AbiWord crashes when you import DOC with tables sometimes | Aug 15 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | and forget docx | Aug 15 20:17 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: 3. Say OpenOffce killed your cat | Aug 15 20:17 |
| gnufreex | 4. Say that it never be a contender when cats die. | Aug 15 20:18 |
| gnufreex | 5. Going back to Windows. | Aug 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/201888/foxconn_temporarily_shuts_down_indian_factory.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: yes | Aug 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | He's a troll | Aug 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | He got his second warning already | Aug 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | He's the "Curious troll" | Aug 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | That's the type of troll which pretends to like what you like and be curious about it | Aug 15 20:19 |
| gnufreex | Haha | Aug 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | He/she learns how to back it | Aug 15 20:19 |
| gnufreex | 6. ???? | Aug 15 20:19 |
| gnufreex | 7. PROFIT ?!!!! | Aug 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: abiword was actually among the first to attempt OOXML support | Aug 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | And we knocked Jody Goldberg for it | Aug 15 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | and it's broken | Aug 15 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | worse than OOo | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Fine. | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Go back to Windows.. oh wait | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | You already did that like 10 times | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Keep pretending to move to/try Linux | Aug 15 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | I have a feeling that OOo Novell Edition is my only other choice here | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Then talk about how it sucked | Aug 15 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | unless I want to install MS Office | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | a month later, repeat | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you know you want to | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | They give it to you free | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | To: steveb@MICROSOFT.COM | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | From: Ryaqn Farmer | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Subject: *kisses kisses* I need the new MSO | Aug 15 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 15 20:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, I don't think Ryan wants to use Winders | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | dear honey, | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | I have heard you distribute..... | Aug 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: he does | Aug 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | but for crediblity he needs to pretend to defect to it | Aug 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | He's lile Beranger | Aug 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | *like | Aug 15 20:23 |
| schestowitz | But he swaps more often for dramatic effect | Aug 15 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Typical Mirosoft boosters assess an program by Microsoft traits | Aug 15 20:23 |
| schestowitz | "How well can it render/parse OOMXL?" | Aug 15 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Notice how it'\s his only talking point today | Aug 15 20:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, Ryan is a little bit too honest. And as such he cannot be a MS Shill. Which would be his only motive to go back to Winders, money. | Aug 15 20:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/26/when-babies-shaved.html | Aug 15 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | This is DaemonFC | Aug 15 20:24 |
| schestowitz | He shaves more than once a day | Aug 15 20:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] How to Crush Dissent http://goo.gl/fb/B61OW | Aug 15 20:24 | |
| schestowitz | And he's a grown up baby | Aug 15 20:24 |
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| DaemonFC | I have to make up for all those times RMS should have shaved but didn't | Aug 15 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | at least 30 years | Aug 15 20:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thanks to everyone who submitted their ideas for a gui...Ive settled on wx, but the good points made about others duly noted. #python | Aug 15 20:25 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/201930/snake_game_comes_to_youtube_via_easter_egg.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: again the RMS smears | Aug 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | I spot a Florian-like theme here | Aug 15 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | You have to carbon date the coffee residue from one end to the other | Aug 15 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | to get a feel for how old he is | Aug 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: we meet in 3 days ;-) | Aug 15 20:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Think about all the freebies that Andre da Costa gets from MS, Ryan. Free computers, free travel, hotel, meal expenses. Most likely free internet service, and MS probably set up his "just the facts" type of web site for him, This could all be yours, if you could live with yourself. | Aug 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Whoa. Hotel travekl... what? | Aug 15 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Da Costa? | Aug 15 20:27 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0726/kucinich-strive-korean-peace-treaty/ | Aug 15 20:27 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, somewhere online, I seen one of his posts that he would not come to one of MS meetings unless they paid those | Aug 15 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | would you? | Aug 15 20:28 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: yep! | Aug 15 20:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would not walk across the street for MS | Aug 15 20:28 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: looking forward to it...! | Aug 15 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Da Costa would moonwalk for Microsoft | Aug 15 20:29 |
| _Goblin | my "boss" can moonwalk | Aug 15 20:29 |
| _Goblin | and also do a great MC Hammer dance. | Aug 15 20:29 |
| _Goblin | (allegedly) | Aug 15 20:29 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: the wife? | Aug 15 20:29 |
| _Goblin | no... | Aug 15 20:29 |
| _Goblin | the work boss | Aug 15 20:29 |
| _Goblin | shall we say.....supervisor. | Aug 15 20:29 |
| schestowitz | OK, so not the home boss :-) | Aug 15 20:29 |
| _Goblin | next one up (I think you will understand) | Aug 15 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, the ogre | Aug 15 20:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How to Crush Dissent - http://bit.ly/cDE7cn a very wise, and rather sad piece about what is happening now to #freedom online | Aug 15 20:30 | |
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| _Goblin | Im seriously considering switching to Sabayon..... | Aug 15 20:31 |
| _Goblin | (gnome) | Aug 15 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | Their LiveDVD is nice | Aug 15 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | good luck with the installer | Aug 15 20:32 |
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| _Goblin | ah...its no probs... | Aug 15 20:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Indenti.ca is a far better social networking solution than #twitter. Unlike #Twitter people seem far more helpful and willing to talk! | Aug 15 20:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Murdoch’s New iPaper: One Last Tragic Roll Of The Digital Dice - http://tcrn.ch/b1DHUW yup #newspapers | Aug 15 20:33 | |
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| _Goblin | a little manual install never hurt anyone | Aug 15 20:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | installing apps after you install Sabayon, does it use the same method as Gentoo? | Aug 15 20:33 |
| _Goblin | yes. | Aug 15 20:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so very very slow? | Aug 15 20:34 |
| _Goblin | pass....ive only played with the LiveCD | Aug 15 20:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody might work well in democratic states, not in corporations (undemocratic) | Aug 15 20:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin] Indenti.ca is a far better social networking solution than #twitter ... people seem far more helpful and willing to talk! | Aug 15 20:34 | |
| _Goblin | I compile most of my solutions anyway.... | Aug 15 20:34 |
| _Goblin | been years with Wolvix and no updates so its about time to change to something else.... | Aug 15 20:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I need to look at a few other distro's as well | Aug 15 20:35 |
| _Goblin | I am moving towards AROS though....I don't think it will be long before its viable for me to have it on my main rig. | Aug 15 20:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/07/27/twitter-tests-in-stream-photos-and-videos | Aug 15 20:35 |
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| cubevector | AROS isn't really viable yet | Aug 15 20:36 |
| _Goblin | yeah...its close though..... | Aug 15 20:36 |
| cubevector | at least not on the hardware I've tried | Aug 15 20:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz do you mean the crushing or the freedom won't work? | Aug 15 20:36 | |
| _Goblin | I must have been lucky since its not the hardware that failed me... | Aug 15 20:36 |
| cubevector | crashed on me quite a bit | Aug 15 20:36 |
| cubevector | I was on IRC with it though | Aug 15 20:37 |
| cubevector | maybe if you used the exact hardware the developers used... | Aug 15 20:37 |
| cubevector | or hosted | Aug 15 20:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody people like @RobWeir and @BobSutor are discouraged from voicing IBM dissent. Ask Sutor for example about #swpats (he'd censor) | Aug 15 20:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz maybe, but this was looking at the big picture, and well, I thought... | Aug 15 20:39 | |
| cubevector | linux hosted worked pretty good on the toughbook, but I couldn't get the network going | Aug 15 20:39 |
| cubevector | and my AROS box had the network going but crashed a lot | Aug 15 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Arcos will run in Virtualbox | Aug 15 20:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Hiding files in Flickr pics will fool web censors - http://bit.ly/92KZbD I do like a nice bit of #steganography #censorship | Aug 15 20:41 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | at least the live cd does | Aug 15 20:41 |
| cubevector | did you get network working with it? | Aug 15 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, I only looked at it | Aug 15 20:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ran it from the image file | Aug 15 20:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but there is a ton of old software on the internet for the Amiga. Some of it freeware or open sourced | Aug 15 20:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] “The Pirate Bay Really Sucks,” Says Co-Founder - http://bit.ly/dpUoja "Nobody works on The Pirate Bay" | Aug 15 20:43 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/201980/twitter_encounters_more_digital_certificate_problems.html?tk=rss_news http://www.techworld.com.au/article/354788/lies_damned_lies_says_jobs_survey?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Aug 15 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | "The most commonly told lies involved previous work experience, with 17 per cent of those asked admitting to "stretching the truth". " | Aug 15 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0727/fox-guest-dating-legal-prostitution/ | Aug 15 20:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] @schestowitz @glynmoody It is a "may" versus "can" question. We cross a dangerous line when we turn "may not" into "can not" | Aug 15 20:46 | |
| _Goblin | "Lets look inside Mr Tumbles spotty bag..." - Yep its Mr Tumble again.. :( same 6 episodes, I know them off by heart... | Aug 15 20:47 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/government-tech-policy/40744-australia-bombs-at-50th-for-internet-speeds | Aug 15 20:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubevector> I should install Aros I guess in Virtualbox, cause I don't think its possible to do a lot with it from the live cd | Aug 15 20:48 |
| schestowitz | "hacker" word misused: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10786701 | Aug 15 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | MSBBC | Aug 15 20:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its just the emulators for amiga work really well | Aug 15 20:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @rcweir yes, but I think it's significant you mention the copyright lobby in particular: I think this is corrupting democracy in a deep way | Aug 15 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | Woohoo http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/28/bolton_alert/ | Aug 15 20:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody @rcweir marginalisaion of opinions is /still/ mostly done on TV though. Faux 'debates' (fake sides) | Aug 15 20:53 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gIWm7ItBGSHagwsl7F68aMOsRgzQ | Aug 15 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/28/glenn-becks-gold-inv.html | Aug 15 20:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Glenn Beck's gold-investment scam/scheme: an explanatory infographic - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 97.79 KB | Aug 15 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Faux News | Aug 15 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Climate debate: Denial from non-scientist versus science | Aug 15 20:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hey Goblin, did you read this: http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Confessions-of-a-Windows-7-to-Ubuntu-switcher/1281633747 by Joe Wilcox | Aug 15 20:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Confessions of a Windows 7 to Ubuntu switcher | Betanews .::. Size~: 178.21 KB | Aug 15 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Patent debare: Microsoft-funder faker pretending to be FOSS supporter against patents (and pro-RAND) versus... errr... whoever | Aug 15 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Pray on it | Aug 15 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | then buy gold | Aug 15 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: maybe his friend is his wife | Aug 15 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/28/chewbacca-fights-naz.htm | Aug 15 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/28/chewbacca-fights-naz.html | Aug 15 20:56 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Notice all the comments from the MS Shills and Fanboys on Wilcox's site. None of the regulars post comments there anymore. Wilcox is stuck with all MS shills now, and I have no pity for him. | Aug 15 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Old people seem to be the most gullible | Aug 15 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | like >50 | Aug 15 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Prejudiced | Aug 15 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | they're always the ones falling for obvious scams en masse | Aug 15 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | you ever notice that? | Aug 15 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 15 20:57 |
| schestowitz | You are among them | Aug 15 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Going to a chiro *LOL* | Aug 15 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | nothing wrong with that | Aug 15 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://media.libsyn.com/media/sgu5x5/SGU5x52010-08-13.mp3 | Aug 15 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Latest new show in chiro scam | Aug 15 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | What exactly is the scam? | Aug 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: go to a real doctor is you have back pains | Aug 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | It might also be cheaper | Aug 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | I've thrown my back and been barely able to stand up and walk before | Aug 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | and the chiropractor fixes that | Aug 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | the MD doesn't | Aug 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Anecdote | Aug 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | the MD offers me poisonous depressants | Aug 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Most back problems heal themselves too | Aug 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | that can cause chemical dependence | Aug 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | And real doctors can use similar remedies | Aug 15 20:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | schestowitz> Chips_B_Malroy: maybe his friend is his wife" I actually think Wilcox was being honest about this one. But his lack of understanding about Linux, is not a good point in his favor. But to speculate, maybe his IT Friend is himself? | Aug 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | The MDs are basically just the front men to a corrrupt drug industry | Aug 15 20:59 |
| schestowitz | WIthout the fairy tale about chiro fixing cancer, flu, etc. | Aug 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's all it is | Aug 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | selling you poison that makes you sicker | Aug 15 20:59 |
| schestowitz | It's a scam based on some hoaxers from a long time ago | Aug 15 20:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Julian Assange - http://bit.ly/aPA6AR good analysis: "one of the most important innovators in modern conflict alive today" #wikileaks | Aug 15 20:59 | |
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| schestowitz | Chiro' was going to turn into am religion | Aug 15 20:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even Wilcox has had to notice an increase in GNU/Linux. Linux is everywhere now. | Aug 15 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Its founder wanterd to make it a religion for legal protections | Aug 15 20:59 |
| schestowitz | This way they cannot be questioned | Aug 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You ever notice how many class action lawsuits there are over drugs that are supposed to treat things like cholesterol or blood pressure or such | Aug 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | that just end up killing you outright | Aug 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | or fucking you up for life? | Aug 15 21:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think we will see more from Mr. Wilcox on Linux now in the future. | Aug 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | MDs are crooks | Aug 15 21:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: BS | Aug 15 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Go sell your quack remedy elsewhere | Aug 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | they knowingly and willingly poison people | Aug 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | for profit | Aug 15 21:00 |
| schestowitz | They don't | Aug 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | yes they do | Aug 15 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Now get education | Aug 15 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Rush told you......... | Aug 15 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | they sell you cholesterol drugs that cause liver failure | Aug 15 21:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | over here, there are more MD's in it for the buck | Aug 15 21:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not all of them | Aug 15 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | and acne drugs that cause you to develop Chron's Disease | Aug 15 21:01 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0728/parts-arizona-immigration-law-blocked-judge/ | Aug 15 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Xenophobes | Aug 15 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | and pain medication which causes dependencies | Aug 15 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | and makes drug addicts out of the MDs victims | Aug 15 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Phama is not MDs | Aug 15 21:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like MJ | Aug 15 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | every once in a while, the MD will help you | Aug 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | but 9 times out of 10 their treatment is ineffective | Aug 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | MDs prescribe based on what's proven in strictly-controled tsts | Aug 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | or more dangerous than the condition | Aug 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | What you do here is promote quack stuff | Aug 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | the drugs they prescrie are lethal | Aug 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | And I don't need lies spread in the channel | Aug 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | poison | Aug 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, you are! | Aug 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | MDs prescribe poisonous pharma | Aug 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | they are just a branch of the drug companies | Aug 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | they get lots of kickbacks for pill pushing | Aug 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | bribes | Aug 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | free vacations and such | Aug 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | expensive dinners with drug reps at fancy restaurants | Aug 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | cash under the table | Aug 15 21:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Am I the only identi.ca user who still plays #mud 's ? Maybe showing my age...... #rpg | Aug 15 21:04 | |
| DaemonFC | I've never seen such unchecked corruption as what's allowed to go on in the "medical" industry | Aug 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | if it were not for MDs, you would possibly be dead now | Aug 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Decomposes after collapsing | Aug 15 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Aug 15 21:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> they get lots of kickbacks for pill pushing" this I know is true | Aug 15 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | they've never done anything but endanger me more | Aug 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Not all of them | Aug 15 21:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | some | Aug 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so why did you phone them? | Aug 15 21:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] @glynmoody Right. It insinuates choke points and centralizes control over communications in a way that could easy be perverted. | Aug 15 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | You could carry on convulsing naked on the shower floor | Aug 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, You show me a doctor that prescribes Crestor and honestly believes he's not poisoning your liver | Aug 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | and kidneys | Aug 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | and probably doing more harm than good for you | Aug 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | that's one example | Aug 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | just one | Aug 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | You could call your chiro | Aug 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | To massage the evil evil 'spasm' our of your spirit :-) | Aug 15 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | unchecked high cholesterol is probably less likely to kill you than Crestor | Aug 15 21:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] @glynmoody If Amazon can remove "1984" from my Kindle, then a government could order them to expunge my blog post from everyone's device. | Aug 15 21:06 | |
| DaemonFC | then doctors are encouraged to prescribe pwoerful dangerous drugs like Crestor even when people's LDL levels aren't really all that high | Aug 15 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | certainly not high enough to warrant the drug's effects | Aug 15 21:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @rcweir "could"? hmm, there have been several blocks/takedowns of material purely because somebody didn't like them... | Aug 15 21:07 | |
| DaemonFC | there's some fake science behind this stuff, schestowitz | Aug 15 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | like when the drug companies put in the fine print that their triglyceride meds haven't been shown to reduce deaths at all | Aug 15 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | but then they list a mile of side effects | Aug 15 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | including death | Aug 15 21:07 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: Tinfoil industry is crooked too | Aug 15 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | so there's no proven benefit if they can't tell you that less people died of the condition the pill is supposed to treat | Aug 15 21:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @rcweir indeed; and cloud computing in general is very worrying from this point of view... | Aug 15 21:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @rcweir @glynmoody Or, worse than simply deleting 1984, they could edit it to have the 'right' ending. Right citizen? | Aug 15 21:08 | |
| DaemonFC | than people who refused treatment | Aug 15 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | so basically the death rate is the same or higher with people who buy the pills | Aug 15 21:08 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: they are making radioactive tin foils | Aug 15 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | and they jsut get to buy $200 bottles of pills every month for the rest of their life | Aug 15 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | with no proven benefits | Aug 15 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's about money | Aug 15 21:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @sjvn ah, yes, subtlety - now *that's* dangerous... | Aug 15 21:09 | |
| DaemonFC | and the MDs and pharma care nothing for the millions of people they murder | Aug 15 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's why I avoid the doctor whenever it is something I feel they can't treat or will poison me over and tell me they're treating me | Aug 15 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | which is most of the time | Aug 15 21:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @sjvn @rcweir @glynmoody Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpp38p431xs&feature=related | Aug 15 21:11 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- 1984 ~~ Part : 12 of 12 .::. Size~: 97.42 KB | Aug 15 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | if it's something that obviously isn't getting better or will kill me, I'll go to the doctor | Aug 15 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | what's the point in not going then? | Aug 15 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | I've been to the doctor once in the last 5 years if you count being taken to the emergency room while unconscious | Aug 15 21:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A looming oxygen crisis in our oceans - http://bit.ly/bXq9TH remember "They Call It Pollution. We Call It Life"? - http://n.pr/cRAB8z | Aug 15 21:12 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/202300/terry_childs_is_denied_motion_for_retrial.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 21:12 |
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| DaemonFC | All they did was give me an IV of drugs so I'd quit seizuring in their ER and sent me on my way in about an hour | Aug 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | then sent me bills totaling over $8,00 | Aug 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | greedy fucks is all they are | Aug 15 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | $8 is cheap, typo? | Aug 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | $8,000 | Aug 15 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | then they call and harass you every day until you change your phone number | Aug 15 21:14 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0731/china-invest-40-billion-iranian-oil-gas/ | Aug 15 21:14 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: China to invest $40 billion in Iranian oil and gas | Raw Story .::. Size~: 29.98 KB | Aug 15 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there is a story on redit about someone going in with a ruptioned appendix, and getting an 96k bill | Aug 15 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, basically that's how it works | Aug 15 21:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | one trip to the ER without insurance can bust most people here | Aug 15 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | they send you some ruinous bill and then try to take your home and cars and stuff | Aug 15 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | to cover it | Aug 15 21:15 |
| MinceR | geekings | Aug 15 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're a bunch of filthy shysters | Aug 15 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | I remember the last thing I said before I changed my phone number was to fucking sue me if they thought they could get something | Aug 15 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | I still get letters in the mail from their collection agency | Aug 15 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | this is now going on almost a year later | Aug 15 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | that's all you are to those bastards | Aug 15 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | $$$$$$$$$$ | Aug 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what's the problem? | Aug 15 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | and they don't care how they get it either | Aug 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Ask steveb for reimbursement | Aug 15 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's how the medical industry works | Aug 15 21:19 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ? | Aug 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | / MinceR / DaemonFC/ | Aug 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Sorry.. | Aug 15 21:19 |
| MinceR | oh. | Aug 15 21:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, I agree that the whole medical system here is evil mostly | Aug 15 21:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @schestowitz @sjvn @rcweir @gynmoody Sans all the messy context stuff that came beforehand, yes. | Aug 15 21:19 | |
| DaemonFC | evil, corrupt, poisonous | Aug 15 21:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and Gates having his hand in the system, does not help either | Aug 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | things like cholesterol meds don't make you live any longer | Aug 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | there's no scientific proof that they do | Aug 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Gates if your Kin... queen | Aug 15 21:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @sjvn twitter doesn't handle context as well as identica | Aug 15 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | Sent from heaven to defend you :-) | Aug 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | no study has conclusively proven they make you live a smegging month longer than you would otherwise | Aug 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's all about subscribing you to dangerous drugs with lots of side effects | Aug 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/202237/school_sued_over_webcam_spying_on_students.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, And no I don't think Homeopathy is better | Aug 15 21:21 |
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| DaemonFC | but I suppose at least placebos don't typically kill | Aug 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | They are also spied on by Microsoft | Aug 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | And run by Billy | Aug 15 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yeah, like the rich (richest) guy on the planet who stole our money with windows, is now going save us, right. | Aug 15 21:21 |
| MinceR | mistreating a serious condition with placebos can kill though | Aug 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: fine then | Aug 15 21:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | got for homeopathy | Aug 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Then we'll view you as we always do | Aug 15 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | Homeopathy is better than a lot of the drugs on the market because little bottles of water at least don't make you any sicker | Aug 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | /got/go/ | Aug 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: go for it | Aug 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Start saving for power ofd water | Aug 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | But remember: it's only effective if you believe in it | Aug 15 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | seriously, they both steal your money | Aug 15 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | and convince you their fraudulant product works | Aug 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Between you and me, pay me the same cost | Aug 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Mail me to a checque to the UK | Aug 15 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | only the "drug" is actually dangerous to you | Aug 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I'll send you the same for free | Aug 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | GBP5 per gallon | Aug 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | +shipping | Aug 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I can even transport it magically to your kitchen sink | Aug 15 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Would you rather spend money on water, spend money on poison, or just avoid both? | Aug 15 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's the options here | Aug 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | And mail you empty good-looking bottles | Aug 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: make you own | Aug 15 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Homeopathy | Aug 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not that unethical | Aug 15 21:24 |
| *schestowitz goes to the kitchen to prepare a homeopathic remedy | Aug 15 21:24 | |
| schestowitz | Returns with a WHOLE GLASS of medicine!! | Aug 15 21:24 |
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| DaemonFC | if I was I'd be out there conning little old ladies into buying bottled water | Aug 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | or get a degree in how to sel lCrestor subscriptions | Aug 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | (MD) | Aug 15 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Oh no, not I'm afraid of overdozing | Aug 15 21:24 |
| schestowitz | This Homeopathy is SOOO strong | Aug 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | to the power 256 | Aug 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think some of that is my urine | Aug 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Hundreds of zeros to the right of the decimal point | Aug 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | VERY, VERY strong | Aug 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Might kill me | Aug 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | at least 12X strong | Aug 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | It contains a lot of cyanide | Aug 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Diluted to the power of -256 | Aug 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I might even have a molecule of the stuff!! | Aug 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | If I'm lucky | Aug 15 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | then it cures you of cancer right? | Aug 15 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | cyanide | Aug 15 21:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] HTC Desire HD to hit the UK in September? http://tinyurl.com/2u6atyc #htc #mobile #anroid | Aug 15 21:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | the whole molecule of it? | Aug 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | It's Russian roulette with molecules... that's what it is | Aug 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Aug 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <DaemonFC> then it cures you of cancer right? | Aug 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | You don't understand Homeopathy | Aug 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Cyanide kills | Aug 15 21:27 |
| MinceR | sure... no life, no cancer | Aug 15 21:27 |
| MinceR | it ends all your pains | Aug 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | So taking very little of it will make me alive | Aug 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | it's opposites | Aug 15 21:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] HTC Desire HD to hit the UK in September? http://tinyurl.com/2u6atyc #android #mobile #htc #desire #windows #microsoft #google | Aug 15 21:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | I agree with that Quack Watch guy, a lot of the draw of Homeopathy is that actual medicine is often more dangerous than homeopathy, even if the homeopathic "drugs" are really bottled water (placebos) | Aug 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to the bizarro land of Homeopathy | Aug 15 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | at least water won't hurt you | Aug 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | They might | Aug 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | If you have a tmour | Aug 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And you rely on water | Aug 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | So you don't visit a real doctor | Aug 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | water makes a tumor worse? | Aug 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | is that scientifically proven? | Aug 15 21:28 |
| MinceR | it lets the tumor kill you | Aug 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | It gives false reliance | Aug 15 21:28 |
| MinceR | while the real doctor would have treated it | Aug 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Like 'faith healers' and criminals like Popoff | Aug 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | so if I go take the drugs and all my hair falls out and I lose most of my body weight and muscle content and it fails to treat the tumor, then what? | Aug 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | at least I didn't drink bottled water? | Aug 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Water is good for you | Aug 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | fuck both of them | Aug 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | It's what you are | Aug 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | You are what you drink | Aug 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | 50% Mt Dew | Aug 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | and 49% Dr Pepper | Aug 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | half a percent of Pepsi | Aug 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Now, have a bucket of Homeopathic remedy | Aug 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | and possibly some water | Aug 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I'll order a jug | Aug 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | With caramel and vodka | Aug 15 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, But if I piss and flush the toilet, all water on Earth is now a homeopathic mixture of my urine, isn't it? | Aug 15 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | so go have some recycled Dr. Pepper | Aug 15 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's on tap | Aug 15 21:30 |
| schestowitz | ryan, is THAT *you??? http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/01/man-faces-jail-for-v.html | Aug 15 21:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Man faces jail for videotaping gun-waving cop - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 318.81 KB | Aug 15 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a cop | Aug 15 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not old and butt ugly like that guy | Aug 15 21:31 |
| schestowitz | But you act like thie one | Aug 15 21:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/it-people-news/people/40828-datacom-ceo-dies | Aug 15 21:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Does anyone know a real practicing Dr Pepper? | Aug 15 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | Damn. He should have taken more nicely bottled water | Aug 15 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | there's no crime committed for videotaping a police officer in public | Aug 15 21:32 |
| _Goblin | daemonfc: there could be | Aug 15 21:33 |
| schestowitz | True | Aug 15 21:33 |
| schestowitz | But in a lawless stats... | Aug 15 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | "We have looked, and have not been able to find a single court anywhere in the country that has found an expectation of privacy for an officer in such circumstances," writes the ACLU. | Aug 15 21:33 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: no | Aug 15 21:33 |
| _Goblin | really? | Aug 15 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Civil liberties are important | Aug 15 21:34 |
| _Goblin | want an example? | Aug 15 21:34 |
| schestowitz | And cops take picture all the time, with CCTV | Aug 15 21:34 |
| _Goblin | yep | Aug 15 21:34 |
| schestowitz | There needs to be levelling | Aug 15 21:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb Dr. Pepper can take out tumours | Aug 15 21:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @schestowitz Actually I was thinking of the last scenes in 1984 needing to be seen in context. | Aug 15 21:34 | |
| schestowitz | Watching the watchers so to speak | Aug 15 21:34 |
| _Goblin | there is. Its in favor of the public | Aug 15 21:34 |
| _Goblin | you can film other members of the public as much as you like | Aug 15 21:34 |
| _Goblin | the police cant | Aug 15 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK5bMSyJCsg | Aug 15 21:34 |
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| _Goblin | anyway... | Aug 15 21:34 |
| schestowitz | The police is filming people in protests | Aug 15 21:35 |
| _Goblin | back to an example of why you could commit an offense filming a police officer. | Aug 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | With expensive Sony gear | Aug 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Police report troublemakers | Aug 15 21:35 |
| _Goblin | how about an arrest going through court? | Aug 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | troublemaking cops also need to be watched | Aug 15 21:35 |
| _Goblin | the footage may hinder, hamper the case. | Aug 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Like the guy who died in London | Aug 15 21:35 |
| _Goblin | obstructing the police... | Aug 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it brings balance | Aug 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: the police can ignore the cameras, like celebrities :-) | Aug 15 21:36 |
| _Goblin | or filming an incident which provokes further reactions. | Aug 15 21:36 |
| schestowitz | The red carpet... "watch my dress!!" | Aug 15 21:36 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I don't think many care about being filmed. | Aug 15 21:36 |
| schestowitz | That's good | Aug 15 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_685990&v=izegE5fF7pA&feature=iv | Aug 15 21:36 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: they are recorded in their vehicles, tracked by their radios and monitored inside police stations. | Aug 15 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Photogenic is nice, but not a must :-) | Aug 15 21:37 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: there need to be boundaries | Aug 15 21:37 |
| schestowitz | it's like free speech vs hate speech | Aug 15 21:37 |
| _Goblin | but then to set boundaries negates free speech | Aug 15 21:37 |
| _Goblin | this is where it falls appart. | Aug 15 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/02/quicktime_trojan_assault/ | Aug 15 21:38 |
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| _Goblin | "you can say what you want, but...." | Aug 15 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, I have a police scanner | Aug 15 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | they are legal | Aug 15 21:38 |
| _Goblin | so thats good then.... | Aug 15 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | they are not legal to operate in your car | Aug 15 21:38 |
| MinceR | hate speech is overrated | Aug 15 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | but you can have one outside of a car | Aug 15 21:39 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: lol, why? | Aug 15 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Bank robbers | Aug 15 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | listening to the scanner in their getaway car | Aug 15 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | or stuff like that | Aug 15 21:39 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: but then are you not infringing on the privacy of others by listening to police chatter about incidents involving the public? | Aug 15 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | so robbing the bank would be one offense, and monitoring the scanner while doing it is another felony | Aug 15 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/202343/Twitter_Reaches_20_Billion_Tweets.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, No laws are broken when you listen to the police scanner | Aug 15 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: depends where | Aug 15 21:40 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: I didn't say any laws were being broken, I just wonder what the members of public would feel like knowing that their personal lives were being listened to by others. | Aug 15 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Advocating killing someone is obviously off limits] | Aug 15 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The law is also too clear on what constitutes a scanner I think | Aug 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | SOmetimes the term/umbrella "hate speech" is applied "speech I don't like" | Aug 15 21:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Broadcasting live at http://soc.li/EmamKzR as I proof check the bass tracks #severedfifth | Aug 15 21:41 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: does that mean that campaigning for death penalty is also off limits? | Aug 15 21:41 |
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| DaemonFC | it says a radio device intended to monitor police band frequencies | Aug 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Or "they hate my opinion" | Aug 15 21:41 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: or supporting a war? | Aug 15 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | I could listen to the scanner over the internet on my cell phone | Aug 15 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | and that might not be a scanner under the law | Aug 15 21:41 |
| MinceR | yes, most of the case "hate speech" means "a message i don't happen to like" | Aug 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: damn, I hate hate speech law :-) | Aug 15 21:41 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 15 21:42 |
| schestowitz | You should too | Aug 15 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | Juden!!!! | Aug 15 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Hey, EVERYBODY, you must HATE the laws around HATE SPEECH. There. :-) | Aug 15 21:42 |
| MinceR | at least campaigning the elimination of hate speech law is not advocating killing someone | Aug 15 21:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 15 21:42 |
| MinceR | s/the/for &/ | Aug 15 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There are no laws against hate speech here unless the speech is intended to compel others to commit a violent crime | Aug 15 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | like I could say "Mincer is a total bastard!" | Aug 15 21:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah, sloppy me | Aug 15 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | but not "Go kill MinceR !!!!" | Aug 15 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | that's a lot better than what we have here in absurdistan | Aug 15 21:43 |
| schestowitz | In Ireland the UK was gonna pass blasphemy law | Aug 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | i've heard of that | Aug 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | disgusting | Aug 15 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | when? | Aug 15 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | 1850? | Aug 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | The religious people use the UN to criminalise ciriticism of cults of bogus claims | Aug 15 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | OOps | Aug 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | /UK/UN/ | Aug 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | That was in 2009 | Aug 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Fell on its face, I think | Aug 15 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | there's no god damned blasphamy laws | Aug 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Da Costa has been quite. Here's why: v | Aug 15 21:45 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0802/michael-jackson-songs-released-report/ | Aug 15 21:45 |
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| DaemonFC | Sweet Zombie Jesus! would never approve of that | Aug 15 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 15 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Religion of piece *************** | Aug 15 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Aug 15 21:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/08/02/ibm-closes-coremetrics-acquisition | Aug 15 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | INNOVA~1 | Aug 15 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Indonesia Finds Banning Pornography Is Difficult http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/technology/02iht-indoporn02.html?_r=1&hpw | Aug 15 21:48 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: lol at the Da Costa post | Aug 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy says he might get more than computers from Microsoft | Aug 15 21:50 |
| _Goblin | "Its a shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see.......<insert Microsoft product here>" | Aug 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/02/indonesian-parliamen.html | Aug 15 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe Da Costa wishes he was molested in Neverland | Aug 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | "No! Me first, me me!!" | Aug 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I watches Thriller Live in London | Aug 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | The stage act | Aug 15 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/08/13/att.wireless.network/ | Aug 15 21:57 |
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| DaemonFC | AT&T apologist | Aug 15 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | Steve Jobs was the wrong person in the wrong place | Aug 15 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | and nobody was turning their laptops off :P | Aug 15 21:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/04/tom-the-dancing-bug-14.html | Aug 15 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/04/scotland_data_entry_record/ | Aug 15 22:03 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1851#comic | Aug 15 22:05 |
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| _Goblin | it doesn't say what though.... | Aug 15 22:05 |
| _Goblin | was it incorrect convictions? | Aug 15 22:05 |
| _Goblin | who was at fault...since PNC is updated by operators acting on information by Police. | Aug 15 22:05 |
| _Goblin | and the CPS also have input.... | Aug 15 22:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/04/pceu_phishing_arrests/ | Aug 15 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Doing Ballmer's work | Aug 15 22:06 |
| _Goblin | lol. | Aug 15 22:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] My Serge Monast article on Wikipedia made the front page "Did you know?" for 6 hours today! http://is.gd/ej7ho http://is.gd/ej7rA | Aug 15 22:07 | |
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| _Goblin | prediction: Windows 7 flops Ballmer goes before Xmas....if it scrapes through, he goes anyway next year. | Aug 15 22:08 |
| _Goblin | *windows 7 mobile | Aug 15 22:08 |
| _Goblin | I think MS would be reluctant to get rid of Ballmer before Mob has hit the market....may loose further confidence in product. | Aug 15 22:09 |
| _Goblin | *or mob has been given a chance. | Aug 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/04/pastor-calls-for-qur.html | Aug 15 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | Talk about just giving more ammo to extremists | Aug 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Vista Phone 7? | Aug 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I saw Vista today on a mate's PC | Aug 15 22:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> I think MS would be reluctant to get rid of Ballmer before Mob has hit the market....may loose further confidence in product." Before the Holiday buying season more likely would be the reason. | Aug 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | He hates it | Aug 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | It also acted funny with Chrome | Aug 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes needed to reload pages | Aug 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I put Chrome on his Vista | Aug 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | The fonts in Vista are atrocious | Aug 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | At least on his LCD | Aug 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna give him mine | Aug 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | he'll have dual head | Aug 15 22:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rcweir:If Amazon can remove "1984" from my Kindle, then a government could order them to expunge my blog post from everyone's device. | Aug 15 22:13 | |
| schestowitz | Vista is a JOKE | Aug 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | I confirmed what I asked here ysterday | Aug 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | If you boot without a keyboard you need to reboot | Aug 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | And so I reckon the keyboard must stay connected at all time | Aug 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has had this bug for ages | Aug 15 22:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS never seems to fix anything | Aug 15 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Why do users accept it? | Aug 15 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They should demand a refund | Aug 15 22:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | inertia, they don't know anything else. They believe the shills that say Linux is too hard. | Aug 15 22:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They know that windows is krap, and prone to malware, but believe anything else is too. | Aug 15 22:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the fud works to an extent | Aug 15 22:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | although its being gradually overcome | Aug 15 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Earlier on there was HP staff here | Aug 15 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Explaining why they use Linux | Aug 15 22:17 |
| schestowitz | And that few people actually complain at all | Aug 15 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if you look at Wilcox's post on ubuntu, the few that commented that Ubuntu was good, got modded way down | Aug 15 22:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just like Digg | Aug 15 22:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a concerned effort, by MS Shills. And no I can't prove they are, but we did prove it on Costa. | Aug 15 22:19 |
| _Goblin | You mean Lucy Buntu? | Aug 15 22:19 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Aug 15 22:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 15 22:19 |
| _Goblin | or Mr Dee.... | Aug 15 22:21 |
| _Goblin | I wonder how many nyms he actually has? | Aug 15 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Wilcox has surrounded himself with MS Shills. I think he wants people to feel pity for him since he is attacked so often by them. But the truth is, Wilcox ran off almost all the open source defenders on his site. | Aug 15 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lots of nyms | Aug 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/robweir/statuses/21257827963 "I think you have the wrong Rob Weir. I'm not the standards guy." | Aug 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Aug 15 22:22 |
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| _Goblin | I still don't think Joe is an appologist for MS.... | Aug 15 22:22 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | did not say that | Aug 15 22:23 |
| _Goblin | he's made enough posts challenging MS and even making fun of them. | Aug 15 22:23 |
| _Goblin | I cite the Windows 7 party ads, which he was probably the harshest of all articles I read on it. | Aug 15 22:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he is not a friend of GNU either | Aug 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Radar_tty/statuses/21255031255 "@schestowitz @_goblin groups feature is more directive than hashtags" | Aug 15 22:23 |
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| _Goblin | and when he's critical of MS he crosses boundaries that I don't.... | Aug 15 22:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't have problems with those boundaries, hehe | Aug 15 22:24 |
| _Goblin | I think Jo writes for his audience and gauges what will have maximum impact....I don't think he cares about anything in particular... | Aug 15 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as in what gets attention? | Aug 15 22:25 |
| _Goblin | he's a traditional journalist who just happens to write about IT subjects. | Aug 15 22:25 |
| _Goblin | thats my take anyway... | Aug 15 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | Who in the hell would pay $250 for Corel Office? | Aug 15 22:26 |
| _Goblin | and he's been supportive of me in the past (via personal communitcation) | Aug 15 22:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | one things for sure, his article on the IT Friend and Ubuntu, sure stirred up the MS Shills. You can see the fear. | Aug 15 22:26 |
| _Goblin | I keep trying to tell the wintrolls on COLA this...: "To be loved is fine, to be hated is fine, its indifference thats the killer" and thats very important in writing! | Aug 15 22:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They are very afriad of Ubuntu. the MS shills that is | Aug 15 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | That's a red herring | Aug 15 22:27 |
| _Goblin | what Ubuntu? | Aug 15 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft mentioned Canonical as a competitor but not Red Hat? | Aug 15 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | come on | Aug 15 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | you can't be serious | Aug 15 22:28 |
| _Goblin | well mainstream wise Canonical is. | Aug 15 22:28 |
| _Goblin | whats the average user (and massive chunk or windows userbase) likely to choose? | Aug 15 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | RHEL is costing them more money than Canonical is | Aug 15 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | because business customers that spend thousands of dollars per copy of software are using RHEL | Aug 15 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | instead of Windows Server | Aug 15 22:29 |
| _Goblin | Windows -> Ubuntu seems like a natural migration for most new linux users. | Aug 15 22:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | never have I been a big fan of Ubuntu, but if it brings people over to Linux, fine. Its better than windows, by far. | Aug 15 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be much more pissed about RHEL running off with my $800 a copy customers than Ubuntu snagging a few $150 a copy customers | Aug 15 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't you? | Aug 15 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | then you have to think a bit further | Aug 15 22:30 |
| _Goblin | Ive looked at Ubuntu for many years and the plethora of derived products...I think its great...one of the only reasons I stay slack on my main rig is some sort of ego driven "l337" theory that "Winners don't use Ubuntu" - I'd be hard pushed to list any reason why I shouldn't use Ubuntu. | Aug 15 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | businesses using RHEL Desktop are using OOo, not MS Office | Aug 15 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | there goes more money | Aug 15 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | they're using PHP and Apache | Aug 15 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | there goes some more money | Aug 15 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | home users are a dime a dozen | Aug 15 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | losing corporate customers really hurts | Aug 15 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | you know, those nice corporate customers that buy software licenses by the thousands and pay in cash? | Aug 15 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Microsoft is losing a lot more sleep due to RHEL than due to Ubuntu | Aug 15 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> I have to agree with Oiaohm though, about the problems with Ubuntu and Wine. I seen that first hand on a relatives computer, and got the relatives computer switched over to Mepis based on Debian, where everything worked | Aug 15 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | and rightfully so | Aug 15 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | RHEL is an excellent desktop/server OS | Aug 15 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | for a productivity environment | Aug 15 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Server really isn't | Aug 15 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | who wants all that crap that Windows Server bundles on a SERVER? I mean hell, I wouldn't. | Aug 15 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | then who wants to bog down their server with security software? I wouldn't. | Aug 15 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | Who wants to pay more per copy for Windows Server so that it runs their server less efficiently? | Aug 15 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | Not me | Aug 15 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | I would really have to advise against rolling out Windows Server on anything | Aug 15 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | you're really just asking to pay out the nose and end up with a support nightmare | Aug 15 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | then you'll notice that there's a lot more downtime with Windows Server than with Linux or FreeBSD | Aug 15 22:35 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: The only Wine usage I had on Ubuntu was when I was running a rig for World of Warcraft....worked great...I now have very little need or interest in Windows packages. | Aug 15 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | look at the top 10 uptime list on Netcraft | Aug 15 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | there's hardly ever one of those reports that has Windows Server in it | Aug 15 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | and if it does, it's a photo finish | Aug 15 22:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> Who wants to pay more per copy for Windows Server so that it runs their server less efficiently?" Even if it was free I don't want windows. And I am not to much of a purist as far as ocasionally running something in wine or freeware. non-free | Aug 15 22:36 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't be free if you time has value :> | Aug 15 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a Microsoft shill | Aug 15 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | When it comes to Windows Server, it's no | Aug 15 22:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> these were just some Popcap games they played all the time. Should have worked | Aug 15 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | not only no, but hell no | Aug 15 22:37 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: I run non-free...proud of it as I run the packages that are best for me....having said that, I can't think of a Windows binary that I need to run... | Aug 15 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, I never put Windows anything on a system I give to friends or family who are less than careful about what they download and run | Aug 15 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | because I don't want them calling me when they break it | Aug 15 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> I'm not a Microsoft shill" No, and I have said as much too. | Aug 15 22:38 |
| _Goblin | I'm a Microsoft Shill and so is my wife. | Aug 15 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Those late night "optimization software" commercials are getting really annoying | Aug 15 22:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Now, Goblin, I suspected the first time he commented on MS Watch. | Aug 15 22:39 |
| _Goblin | lol. | Aug 15 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | "Computer getting slow? Don't throw it away, download our FREE performance scanner!" | Aug 15 22:39 |
| MinceR | optimize your performance with gnu/linux | Aug 15 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Can Linux optimize my registry? | Aug 15 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 15 22:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | can it defrag? | Aug 15 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that too | Aug 15 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Some people pay good money for that | Aug 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 15 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 22:40 |
| _Goblin | whats defrag? ;) | Aug 15 22:41 |
| MinceR | it optimizes your registry like a c++ compiler optimizes code that will never run | Aug 15 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | The bundled Windows defrag can't defragment the Master File Table | Aug 15 22:41 |
| MinceR | removes it | Aug 15 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | so Windows reserves 8% of your disk to make sure that the MFT doesn't break into itty bitty pieces | Aug 15 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 22:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Baraminology is the first new featured article on RationalWiki in about a year, I think. http://is.gd/ej9a8 Dig shiny gold brain! What next? | Aug 15 22:41 | |
| *DaemonFC head desks | Aug 15 22:41 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I have to wonder, if Ballmer and Gates actually ran Vista. And if they did, they had to know it was bad. | Aug 15 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, According to leaked internal emails, a lot of upper management at Microsoft had their own Vista horror stories | Aug 15 22:42 |
| MinceR | if they never used anything else, they might not know it | Aug 15 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | and retreated back to XP themselves | Aug 15 22:42 |
| MinceR | or they might simply believe their own lies | Aug 15 22:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: lol | Aug 15 22:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I think they ran XP | Aug 15 22:43 |
| MinceR | they might still believe that XP is not a POS | Aug 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html | Aug 15 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9 KB | Aug 15 22:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Unless, the remours are true and Bill is a closet Machead | Aug 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | “I personally got burned.” His new laptop — logo or no logo — lacks the necessary graphics chip and can run neither his favorite video-editing software nor anything but a hobbled version of Vista. “I now have a $2,100 e-mail machine,” he says. -Mike Nash, a Microsoft Vice President | Aug 15 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | over Windows no less | Aug 15 22:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 15/8/2010: Dell Streak Catchup and Misc. News http://techrights.org/2010/08/15/dell-streak-catchup/ | Aug 15 22:44 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 15/8/2010: Dell Streak Catchup and Misc. News | Techrights .::. Size~: 118.55 KB | Aug 15 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, I briefly considered buying a Mac when I was out shopping for a newer system last time | Aug 15 22:45 |
| MinceR | http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Number_of_each_%22kind%22_on_Noah%27s_Ark | Aug 15 22:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | but the demo unit crashed on me | Aug 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | so I decided I could get that a lot cheaper with Windows | Aug 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 22:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Number of each "kind" on Noah's Ark - RationalWiki .::. Size~: 30.58 KB | Aug 15 22:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Even though nobody seems to share my love of #Mud check out: http://www.mudconnect.com/ You never know...you may like it! #rpg | Aug 15 22:45 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: mudconnect.com: The Mud Connector - Mud and RPG game index, mudlist and reviews .::. Size~: 22.42 KB | Aug 15 22:45 |
| MinceR | "Windows -- Crashes On You For Half The Price!" | Aug 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I clicked on the iTunes icon and the Mac froze | Aug 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | the cursor wouldn't even move | Aug 15 22:45 |
| MinceR | nice | Aug 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | quality | Aug 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 22:45 |
| MinceR | did you get a Beachball of Death? | Aug 15 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Aug 15 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | just hard freeze | Aug 15 22:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 15 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | What exactly is "Hold down the power button?" in all languages on Earth? | Aug 15 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Well, I like to approach things with an open mind, give things a chance to work for me or fail | Aug 15 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | I had the idea that the Mac probably still sucked | Aug 15 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | but I had heard good things about it | Aug 15 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | and it only cost me 5 minutes at the iMac demo station | Aug 15 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | to find out that OS X is bloated and unstable and, like Windows, full of crap I don't want, won't use, and can't get rid of | Aug 15 22:48 |
| MinceR | i too gave OSX a go | Aug 15 22:48 |
| MinceR | in a VM | Aug 15 22:48 |
| MinceR | and it failed hard | Aug 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | i too gave OSX a go | Aug 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | It clogged up my tilet | Aug 15 22:49 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 15 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | get the auger! | Aug 15 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0804/obama-skeptics-president-happy-birther-day/ | Aug 15 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> Chips_B_Malroy, I briefly considered buying a Mac when I was out shopping for a newer system last time" It just hardware, they all use the same parts. I do agree with the MS Shills that Mac's just cost too much. At least for people like us. For newbies that don't or won't use Linux, then Mac OS X is better for them than windows with all its malware problems | Aug 15 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Obama skeptics wish president a happy birther day | Raw Story .::. Size~: 52.71 KB | Aug 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Yay! Happy birthday to them Republicans too | Aug 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | New fan boy talking point: Macs get you sex | Aug 15 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Looking is free | Aug 15 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | so I decided to look | Aug 15 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm glad I did | Aug 15 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise I might have just bought one | Aug 15 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I get apples at 7 for a pound | Aug 15 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Work as avertised | Aug 15 22:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hardware wise, I believe there are lots better choices out there than Mac'x. | Aug 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | No explosions, heating problems, etc. | Aug 15 22:51 |
| *schestowitz has a long post about Apple coming | Aug 15 22:51 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38553887 | Aug 15 22:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sudan sentences 19 men for wearing women's clothes - World news - Africa - msnbc.com .::. Size~: 40.42 KB | Aug 15 22:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My best friend has two Mac's. A top of the line 17" Mac book Pro, and a desktop | Aug 15 22:52 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.juggle.com/2010/08/03/how-a-wired-magazine-story-morphed-into-brain-eating-vaccine-in-3-easy-steps | Aug 15 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How A Wired Magazine Story Morphed Into Brain Eating Vaccine In 3 Easy Steps - Juggle Blog – Insights from the Encyclopedia and Reference Resource .::. Size~: 51.18 KB | Aug 15 22:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it just got out of warrenty, the Mac Book Pro he has. So far the power adapter failed, the Nividia Video failed, mother board was replaced under warrenty. And the battery expanded to the point it would not work, That one he has to pay for. | Aug 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <Chips_B_Malroy> My best friend has two Mac's. | Aug 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I bet you're not *his* best friend | Aug 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | He has two above you | Aug 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Mac1 and Mac2 | Aug 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | hmm... buying sex? we already have a word for that | Aug 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Mac0=Jobs | Aug 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | prostitution | Aug 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | iScort | Aug 15 22:55 |
| MinceR | iWhore | Aug 15 22:55 |
| schestowitz | STD: there's an app for that, too! | Aug 15 22:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | point is, Macs will fail as often as any others, as they use the same components | Aug 15 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Expensive to fix | Aug 15 22:55 |
| schestowitz | ANd trickier to fox | Aug 15 22:55 |
| schestowitz | *fix | Aug 15 22:55 |
| MinceR | not all use the same components | Aug 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | They need to go through Meccapuccino first | Aug 15 22:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | iCondome? | Aug 15 22:56 |
| MinceR | not all hw makers are dell or crApple :> | Aug 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | To be blessed by Jobs or one of his pastors | Aug 15 22:56 |
| MinceR | s/dell/Hell/ | Aug 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | And have the "iKosher" stamp (Apple logo) carved in | Aug 15 22:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ebay is littered with the wreakage of failed Nvidia chipset on Laptops | Aug 15 22:57 |
| MinceR | my Hell craptop fired 2 nvidia GPUs | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/dog_man_jailed/ | Aug 15 22:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: HK 'Dog Man' jailed for voodoo ritual sex • The Register .::. Size~: 24.49 KB | Aug 15 22:57 |
| MinceR | s/fired/fried/ | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Now I know why it's "Hell" | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Hotter than a wet diaper | Aug 15 22:58 |
| MinceR | someone (nvidia or Hell) probably failed to fit the heat sinks properly or something | Aug 15 22:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 15 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ATI or Intel video chipsets for me only, Please | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Dell laptops also explose | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Sony batteries | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | *lode | Aug 15 22:58 |
| MinceR | for me it's nvidia if it needs to be powerful and intel if not | Aug 15 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mac batteries as well | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | What the Hell is a Mac battery | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | ? | Aug 15 22:58 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: Li-ion based time bomb | Aug 15 22:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, Chinese made the mac | Aug 15 22:59 |
| *schestowitz goes grab a Duracell apple | Aug 15 22:59 | |
| MinceR | with a random fuse | Aug 15 22:59 |
| schestowitz | CMOS bomb | Aug 15 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | "So things like ipod lose me every time | Aug 15 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | because they are technologically inferior, overpriced, and rely on a single source for support, and there's no penalty and every benefit to me in avoiding them. I'm sure Jabba is gonna be real fucking impressed that I bought an ipod... | Aug 15 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | bling bling." | Aug 15 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 15 22:59 |
| schestowitz | What do you call logic bomb when it happens to UNIX/OS X? | Aug 15 23:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I need to go to Walley out here soon, I will check on the availability of Zune when I am there, for your story. | Aug 15 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Zune is dead | Aug 15 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | not only dead, but cold | Aug 15 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: heh | Aug 15 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's not even on life support anymore | Aug 15 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | good riddance | Aug 15 23:01 |
| schestowitz | HD2 | Aug 15 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Zune7 | Aug 15 23:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Zune is a zoombie thats been dead for a long time. | Aug 15 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I know.... Ultimate Zune 7 Edition | Aug 15 23:01 |
| MinceR | zoombee? | Aug 15 23:01 |
| MinceR | better to be cold than to explode | Aug 15 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Ultimate Zune 7 Edition with limited copies of SteveB | Aug 15 23:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Zumbie | Aug 15 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ultimate Professional KinZune Phone 7 ftw! | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | He'll only have to do autograph twice | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | For all the buyers | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Both of them | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | 500+3 | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | They could fit all those kin in one box | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Give 2 to Ballmer's kids | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | So that they don't get flogged | Aug 15 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer's days are numbered at Microsoft | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | And one to Mary Jo Microsoft | Aug 15 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | You can tell Ballmer never tried out the Kin before it was released | Aug 15 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | no way that shareholders are going to tolerate another year of his mismanagement and general gross incompetence | Aug 15 23:03 |
| schestowitz | "My children - in many dimensions they're as poorly behaved as many other children, but at least on this dimension I've got my kids brainwashed: You don't use Google, and you don't use an iPod."-Steve Ballmer (on CNN) | Aug 15 23:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Microsoft news deficiency this week | Aug 15 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy posted everything here already | Aug 15 23:04 |
| schestowitz | News of the week | Aug 15 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, Ballmer has become the focal point or whipping (monkey) boy when things go wrong at MS. | Aug 15 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has failed on every front in hardware | Aug 15 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | total unmitigated disaster | Aug 15 23:04 |
| schestowitz | "how Vista made Windows secure, blah blash.." --IDG | Aug 15 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Getting rid of the focus point, is what Bill will have to do soon. | Aug 15 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Then some useless op-eds | Aug 15 23:04 |
| schestowitz | With the Cringely pseudonym | Aug 15 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | The best thing they could do is fire Ballmer, shut down their hardware division, and redouble their efforts on software | Aug 15 23:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @pleia2: I'm in a public school computer lab with all Ubuntu computers! | Aug 15 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 15 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> agreed, not much MS news lately, its as if they died | Aug 15 23:05 |
| *schestowitz swatches to Japanese pop | Aug 15 23:05 | |
| DaemonFC | there comes a point where you have to lick your wounds and move on | Aug 15 23:05 |
| MinceR | the best thing they could do is focus on providing compatibility instead of ever newer bullshit products | Aug 15 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS becomes less relavent with less money | Aug 15 23:05 |
| MinceR | turn the winblows source code into a free software winblows emulator that's 100% compatible | Aug 15 23:06 |
| MinceR | and then invest their money in something else | Aug 15 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | well, I don't necessarily have a problem with proprietary software, as long as it conforms to open standards that anyone else can implement equally well | Aug 15 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'm also not a fan of DRM obviously | Aug 15 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | I've pretty much stopped buying video games because of it | Aug 15 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | for the PC anyway | Aug 15 23:07 |
| MinceR | m$ sw doesn't conform to open standards | Aug 15 23:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> the best thing they could do is focus on providing compatibility instead of ever newer bullshit products" The best thing they could do is to release Windows XP Extended, and fix the malware problems, make it more stable. | Aug 15 23:07 |
| MinceR | also, today google calendar told me that they don't support konqueror 4.3.2 because it's "old" | Aug 15 23:07 |
| MinceR | fuck google | Aug 15 23:07 |
| MinceR | they haven't heard of web standards either | Aug 15 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | Konqueror is not very capable | Aug 15 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | sorry, but it's not | Aug 15 23:07 |
| MinceR | all they can ever do is "we support these three browsers and fuck you" | Aug 15 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | just use Firefox | Aug 15 23:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Fix the problems and give people what they want. Its simple, but Steve and Bill are all about controlling and lock in. | Aug 15 23:07 |
| MinceR | sorry, but that's not how the web is supposed to work | Aug 15 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | They legitimately can't support KHTML because KHTML is too buggy and has incomplete standards support | Aug 15 23:08 |
| MinceR | if your fucking load of bloat fails on most browsers, kill it | Aug 15 23:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @pleia2: On a bus heading out to help out at a couple of the @partimus schools | Aug 15 23:08 | |
| DaemonFC | I mean it's not like it's IE or anything | Aug 15 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | but they really don't support IE either | Aug 15 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | not even IE 8 | Aug 15 23:08 |
| MinceR | i suspect they didn't even bother to figure out what browser it was | Aug 15 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Opera? | Aug 15 23:08 |
| MinceR | not even the page they pointed me at said anything about it | Aug 15 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | Opera makes a good browser | Aug 15 23:08 |
| MinceR | just "blah blah old blah blah ie6 blah blah unsupported blah blah blah" | Aug 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/aussie_firewall_opposed/ | Aug 15 23:09 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Aussie opposition will scrap firewall • The Register .::. Size~: 24.17 KB | Aug 15 23:09 |
| MinceR | didn't want to resume my firefox session just then | Aug 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: stop advertising blobs | Aug 15 23:09 |
| MinceR | so i reached for konqueror | Aug 15 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | What exactly did you do before there was an OpenOffice or a Firefox? | Aug 15 23:09 |
| MinceR | and guess what, it did work | Aug 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Konq is good for light browsing | Aug 15 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Did you use Linux with Netscape and Wordperfect? | Aug 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Not your stinking Flash chats | Aug 15 23:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: m$ office (i didn't know better); mozilla communicator | Aug 15 23:10 |
| MinceR | (now it's called Seamonkey) | Aug 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 15 23:10 |
| schestowitz | If you look to hook us with some dude/s, fine. Use VIsta 7.. | Aug 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | but before Mozilla even | Aug 15 23:10 |
| MinceR | before mozilla, netscape communicator | Aug 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | when Linux distros came with Netscape Communicator or Navigator | Aug 15 23:10 |
| schestowitz | /us/up/ | Aug 15 23:10 |
| MinceR | i used IE for a while, and netscape before and after it | Aug 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | I like Opera | Aug 15 23:10 |
| schestowitz | It came on free CDs | Aug 15 23:11 |
| MinceR | it was shiny, but eventually it was far outclassed by netscape on features | Aug 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | In early days | Aug 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | I paid the $39 to avoid the nightmare of bad vs worse | Aug 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Then Microsoft bundled it | Aug 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | (Netscape/IE) | Aug 15 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The longer people use Windows, the more they will become slaves. As DRM and WGA spying features increase in Windows. | Aug 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | IE was rubbish | Aug 15 23:11 |
| MinceR | well, i didn't know better | Aug 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: but they go web based | Aug 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | And Silver Lie doesn't catch on | Aug 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can't DRM Web pages, yet | Aug 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Or YuTube | Aug 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Flash streaming | Aug 15 23:11 |
| MinceR | all i knew was m$-dos, win3.1, win9x. i also have heard that there were some other systems that didn't suck quite so much | Aug 15 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Opera has a distinct advantage on Windows right now especially, not only because it's better than Firefox, but because Microsoft isn't shoving their shovelware into it every time you install something | Aug 15 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 15 23:12 |
| MinceR | but i hadn't had a chance to try them back then | Aug 15 23:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I got a CD with wares including ie 3.0 at a computer fair | Aug 15 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | and Opera would sue them if they did | Aug 15 23:12 |
| schestowitz | It came with lots of other s/w | Aug 15 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | unlike Mozilla | Aug 15 23:12 |
| MinceR | i resisted win9x until some games required it | Aug 15 23:12 |
| MinceR | iirc TA was my killer app for it | Aug 15 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla is a bunch of wusses | Aug 15 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Troll | Aug 15 23:13 |
| *schestowitz likes Mozilla | Aug 15 23:13 | |
| DaemonFC | they're too afraid to try to slap Microsoft with an injunction to get their bullshit out of their browser | Aug 15 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | that's why it is Microsoft Firefox on Windows | Aug 15 23:13 |
| schestowitz | The troll is trying to stir people us vs Mozilla | Aug 15 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Notice the pattern | Aug 15 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla refuses to assert their control over their own browser | Aug 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | time to upgrade to gnu/linux, then | Aug 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | even firefox works better :> | Aug 15 23:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | schestowitz> And Silver Lie doesn't catch on" It hasn't yet, dispite all the money MS poured into getting a monopoly with its partners Netflix and Blockbusters. Android with Netflix support could even break this monopoly for Silverlight Netflix. That would be a good thing. | Aug 15 23:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what, again? | Aug 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | yes | Aug 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | He'll do the switcheroo again | Aug 15 23:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Pretend to move to Linux, bash it | Aug 15 23:14 |
| MinceR | or he'll say he did it | Aug 15 23:14 |
| MinceR | we have no way to know | Aug 15 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, With Firefox on Windows it's only a matter of time before you have Silverlight, ClickOnce, and Bing | Aug 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Go back to Windows, use newly-learnd FUD about Linux | Aug 15 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | so it really is just another Microsoft browser | Aug 15 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | pansies | Aug 15 23:14 |
| MinceR | he could install it in m$ virtual pc and take a few screenshots | Aug 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's what the troll does | Aug 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | It's impossible to tell | Aug 15 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | The only way you can avoid that crap with 100% confidence on Windows is to use Minefield so their shovelware can't ever catch up | Aug 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that why some things don't work, either | Aug 15 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's unreasonable | Aug 15 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I really don't want Silverblight, truely. But I have noticed some interest for Netflix on the linux forums. | Aug 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10884539 | Aug 15 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Netflix isn't all that great really | Aug 15 23:16 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BBC News - Methane powered car runs on human excrement .::. Size~: 51.77 KB | Aug 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | MSBBC language | Aug 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | "human excrement" | Aug 15 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | I exhausted their supply of remotely interesting streaming videos in my first 2 weeks of subscribing to it | Aug 15 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | agreed, Netflix is not great | Aug 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | "Car runs on stinkin shit" | Aug 15 23:16 |
| MinceR | doesn't have to stink, does it? :> | Aug 15 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | The best movie they had was Donnie Darko | Aug 15 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 23:16 |
| MinceR | anyway, "human excrement" is the biological term for it, afaik | Aug 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: only if it's fresh | Aug 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | The car runs on empty | Aug 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | "shit" wouldn't be politically correct enough, i guess | Aug 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | political correctness sucks | Aug 15 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Have some laxitive | Aug 15 23:17 |
| schestowitz | And go refuel | Aug 15 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, The Hulu Plus or whatever they call it still uses Flash right? | Aug 15 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't tried that out | Aug 15 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | do they have movies? | Aug 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | imo it would be better to process it centrally with better economy of scale | Aug 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | and run the car on electricity | Aug 15 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Next-generation models might even have a loo-shaped driver's seat | Aug 15 23:17 |
| _Goblin | a car running on poo would be very cheap for Microsoft employee's, there's plenty of it flying around their offices. | Aug 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | that's not human poo though | Aug 15 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I liked the idea of the car that runs on compressed air | Aug 15 23:18 |
| MinceR | it's bullshit | Aug 15 23:18 |
| MinceR | ;) | Aug 15 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'd buy one of those | Aug 15 23:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you can control how fast the ca goes | Aug 15 23:18 |
| schestowitz | *car | Aug 15 23:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I do not use Hulu anymore either, but yes, its protected Adobe flash | Aug 15 23:18 |
| schestowitz | BTW... | Aug 15 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | it got like 250 miles | Aug 15 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | on AIR! | Aug 15 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Last week I read about BillG whining about bathroom tech | Aug 15 23:18 |
| _Goblin | I bet ballmer passes enough methane to power a fleet of vehicles. | Aug 15 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | with a max speed of 70 miles per hour | Aug 15 23:18 |
| schestowitz | That it's not developed enough | Aug 15 23:18 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i prefer the idea of a fuel cell with onboard hydrolysis | Aug 15 23:18 |
| schestowitz | yeah, real connected to problems in Afirca | Aug 15 23:18 |
| MinceR | (so you can charge it off a wall outlet) | Aug 15 23:18 |
| schestowitz | He's probably an advocate of those machines from Japan that wipe one's arse and wash it | Aug 15 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, the car comes with an air compressor | Aug 15 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's his vision to AIDS-afflicted kids | Aug 15 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather jsut depend on it | Aug 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | put the engines in the wheels | Aug 15 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Deluded elitist | Aug 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | run onboard electronics off it too | Aug 15 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | many less things to go wrong I'd imagine | Aug 15 23:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Warzone 2100 2.3.4 released! : http://wz2100.net/ A great #linux title! #gaming #foss #free #rts | Aug 15 23:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | these hybrids and fuel cell cars are just a maintenance nightmare | Aug 15 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | full of complex gadgets | Aug 15 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | and computer controlled bullshit | Aug 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: does the air engine provide good torque at all rpms? electronic engines do, afaik | Aug 15 23:19 |
| schestowitz | [23:19] <DaemonFC> MinceR, the car comes with an air compressor | Aug 15 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Good | Aug 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | which means no transmission | Aug 15 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I can throw DaemonFC at it | Aug 15 23:19 |
| schestowitz | He's full of sh** | Aug 15 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Will run the cat cross-country | Aug 15 23:20 |
| schestowitz | *car | Aug 15 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and the cat too | Aug 15 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Also full of it | Aug 15 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Jabba fuel | Aug 15 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | so you stop at a hotel and run an extension cord to your car | Aug 15 23:20 |
| MinceR | diesel-electric trains have used electricity for transmission for a long time | Aug 15 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | you run around for free | Aug 15 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | yay! | Aug 15 23:20 |
| MinceR | now the Chevrolet Volt/Opel Ampera does it | Aug 15 23:20 |
| MinceR | (series hybrid) | Aug 15 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | the electric car is bullshit | Aug 15 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz can't even lie his way past the fact that batteries are not good for the environment | Aug 15 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | and are expensive to replace | Aug 15 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Me? W | Aug 15 23:21 |
| schestowitz | When did I advocate electric cars? | Aug 15 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Straw man stooge! | Aug 15 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Use bicycle | Aug 15 23:21 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: fuel cell cars need no batteries | Aug 15 23:21 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: supercapacitor cars need no batteries either | Aug 15 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, IF you want to replace a $3,000 battery every 2 years on top of all the other problems, go right ahead | Aug 15 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'd raterh light money on fire and use the heat to power the engine | Aug 15 23:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thanks to @agentsmith Im going to be taking another look at Regnum. Downloading now! | Aug 15 23:22 | |
| MinceR | ah, the "american" way | Aug 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Burn the ocean | Aug 15 23:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 15 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | well, sealed lead acid batteries are so eco friendly | Aug 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | And those pesky tea turtles... | Aug 15 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | aren't they? | Aug 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | *sea | Aug 15 23:22 |
| MinceR | we also need an Acid Ocean (straight from Carmageddon) | Aug 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | TBH, DaemonFC doesn't burn much | Aug 15 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Lithium batteries are about as bad | Aug 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK he cycles now | Aug 15 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | and a hell of a lot more expensive | Aug 15 23:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: afaik lead acid batteries aren't really considered for electric cars | Aug 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | His computer is him main toll | Aug 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | *his | Aug 15 23:23 |
| MinceR | and no, lithium batteries aren't so bad | Aug 15 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | still, they aren't cost effective | Aug 15 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | do you want something that's more failure prone | Aug 15 23:24 |
| MinceR | they're improving | Aug 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Cost is man-made | Aug 15 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | AND requires a $3,00 battery every 2 years? | Aug 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Cost to environment needs to come into it | Aug 15 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | $3,000 | Aug 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Sustainability of use | Aug 15 23:24 |
| MinceR | and like i said at least twice already, there are other effective current ways to store electricity | Aug 15 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | and then you have to plug it in | Aug 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Or availability long term | Aug 15 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | oh, coal fired and nuclear power plants | Aug 15 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | oh noez!!! | Aug 15 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | those are great for the kittens aren't they? | Aug 15 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 15 23:24 |
| MinceR | nuclear power plants are likely more efficient and clean than most things you can pack into a car | Aug 15 23:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/05/topic-of-cancer.html http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/09/hitchens-201009 | Aug 15 23:25 |
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| MinceR | most likely it's also cleaner to burn fossil fuel in power plants :> | Aug 15 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'd still rather have compressed air than a battery that wears out and costs $3,000 every 2 years | Aug 15 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Ouch. He's already losing hair | Aug 15 23:25 |
| schestowitz | It's like Sagan | Aug 15 23:25 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: because you can't get leaks? | Aug 15 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | you could | Aug 15 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm sure that it's still cheaper to fix those than buy a $3,000 battery every 2 years | Aug 15 23:26 |
| MinceR | also, i suspect it's easier to avoid explosions when storing electricity than when storing pressure | Aug 15 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | you own that electric car for 10 years, you've spend $15,00 on batteries alone | Aug 15 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | nevermind the cost of the electricity | Aug 15 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | *$15,000 | Aug 15 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | the concept just does not make financial sense | Aug 15 23:26 |
| MinceR | where do you pull these numbers out of anyway? | Aug 15 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | and the liberals want to triple the price of electricity too | Aug 15 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | now what? | Aug 15 23:27 |
| MinceR | make your own at home? :> | Aug 15 23:27 |
| MinceR | also, maybe add some solar panels to the car :> | Aug 15 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure $15,000 worth of batteries and $10,000 worth of electricity on a $50,000 car is going to safve me money | Aug 15 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | vs maybe $5,000 worth of gasoline | Aug 15 23:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | truth is, most electricity here is generated from fossel fuels | Aug 15 23:28 |
| MinceR | more numbers pulled out of where the sun doesn't shine | Aug 15 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | and a $20,000 car | Aug 15 23:28 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: i'd say it's most likely cleaner and safer than what you can pack into a car, though | Aug 15 23:28 |
| MinceR | and more efficient | Aug 15 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | the market won't tolerate the electric car, so the centrally planned communist government of Obama is stealing my money to subsidize a product nobody wants | Aug 15 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Vegas is as some of it comes from Hoover Dam | Aug 15 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | I agree with schestowitz | Aug 15 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | USSA | Aug 15 23:29 |
| MinceR | wrong again | Aug 15 23:29 |
| MinceR | what's missing for the electric car is infrastructure | Aug 15 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | wrong | Aug 15 23:29 |
| MinceR | and that's what's subsidized, most likely | Aug 15 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | what's missing is demand | Aug 15 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | demand is nil because the things are outrageously expensive | Aug 15 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | and impossible to improve on the figure it takes to operate one | Aug 15 23:29 |
| MinceR | cars using an internal combustion engine started out expensive too | Aug 15 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | at least to bring it in line with the price of gas | Aug 15 23:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | short term, just make more fuel efficent smaller cars, like Europe | Aug 15 23:30 |
| schestowitz | cars use many metals that need welding/melting | Aug 15 23:30 |
| schestowitz | You then move about a one-tonne machine for 75KG person | Aug 15 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, small cars that run on compressed air | Aug 15 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 15 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 23:30 |
| schestowitz | And for long distances, with pollution | Aug 15 23:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and tax the people who buy gas guzzlers to the max | Aug 15 23:30 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0805/arrests-14-seeking-aid-somali-terror-group-media/ | Aug 15 23:30 |
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| MinceR | those metals also help your squishy body from being turned into pulp when someone crashes into you :> | Aug 15 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | there's no reason a refueling station couldn't provide a rapid air compressor | Aug 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nope | Aug 15 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | and charge by the volume of air you put in | Aug 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Mutual | Aug 15 23:31 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: i thought fuel prices already did that | Aug 15 23:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | agreed, but it would not be so bad, if every one was driving a smaller car | Aug 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Let's see deadly accidents when everyone ride bicycles | Aug 15 23:31 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: same for charging outlets | Aug 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | ANd doesn't speed too much | Aug 15 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Right, they aren't useful for hauling a lot of wight | Aug 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | *rides | Aug 15 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | but for passengers and some luggage, they're perfect | Aug 15 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | so keep diesel around for the big trucks | Aug 15 23:32 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: depends on the culture | Aug 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Bejing | Aug 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | *ei | Aug 15 23:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its about $2.80 per gallon here now for gas, it was up to $4.50 before the depression hit here | Aug 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | 10 million units | Aug 15 23:32 |
| MinceR | here in absurdistan i'd expect a massive move to bicycles or small cars to result in lots of accidents | Aug 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | In Europe there's bike sharing now | Aug 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Reduces carrying | Aug 15 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | ideally there would be two classes of vehicle, compressed air powered passenger vehicles, and trucks that ran on biodiesel | Aug 15 23:32 |
| MinceR | over here anyone who uses a vehicle that has two wheels believes the whole world belongs to them and only to them | Aug 15 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's my opinion | Aug 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: and thinner people | Aug 15 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | you can make biofuels out of old french fry grease from fast food restaurants | Aug 15 23:33 |
| MinceR | then there are the jackasses who use big black expensive cars and switch lanes without signalling or even looking | Aug 15 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, they do! | Aug 15 23:33 |
| MinceR | and most of the people tailgate each other | Aug 15 23:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | consider that the price per gallon here was at one point in this recession $2.50 per gallon, but the cartels and oil company monopolies managed to get the price up another 30 cents. Which shows that our gov is owned by them, as they did nothing. | Aug 15 23:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/202655/it_hiring_continues_to_improve_according_to_surveys.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 23:34 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: and what's wrong with that? | Aug 15 23:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm sceptical about it | Aug 15 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, YOu have those in Hungary too? | Aug 15 23:34 |
| MinceR | which ones? | Aug 15 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | Makes you wish you had a James Bond style stinger missile system doesn't it? | Aug 15 23:34 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 15 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | those asshats in humvees | Aug 15 23:34 |
| MinceR | they don't have humvees though | Aug 15 23:34 |
| MinceR | they have hummer h1-s and believe those are humvees | Aug 15 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | The H1 is the real Humvee | Aug 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | the H2 and H3 are not | Aug 15 23:35 |
| MinceR | is it now? | Aug 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | H1s can handle just about anything | Aug 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0805/2-ny-men-decades-prison-hate-crime-death/ | Aug 15 23:35 |
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| MinceR | and how did it perform on crash tests? | Aug 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | even drive them under water with the snorkel kit | Aug 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | The Humvee or the car it vaporized? | Aug 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | You hit a train in the H1, you say "Stay here kids, let me go see what I did to the train!" | Aug 15 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 15 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | I have driven an actual H1 before and I can see why they have a certain appeal | Aug 15 23:37 |
| MinceR | and the kids are also vaporized | Aug 15 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | but they're not really made for civilian use | Aug 15 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | you can only buy them as decommissioned military hardware | Aug 15 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oracle chops Sun HPC jobs http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/sun_hpc_cuts_systems/ I missed this last week. #scoracle | Aug 15 23:37 | |
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| MinceR | since when does the military use h1s? | Aug 15 23:37 |
| MinceR | they use humvees | Aug 15 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | since like 20 years ago | Aug 15 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | same thing | Aug 15 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | people call the military Humvee the H1 | Aug 15 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | the H2 and H3 are the civilian models | Aug 15 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | the civilian models don't even have the same engine or body parts | Aug 15 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | they just resemble the Humvee | Aug 15 23:38 |
| MinceR | too bad the military one is called M998 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle | Aug 15 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | they're more pretentious than anything | Aug 15 23:39 |
| schestowitz | The civilian ones are crippled, retarded ones | Aug 15 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz is right this time | Aug 15 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | listen to schestowitz | Aug 15 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Like your weapon | Aug 15 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | hey now! | Aug 15 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Or how they make Colts non-automatic | Aug 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | They remove a feature of a /weapon/ | Aug 15 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I prefer the shotgun anyway | Aug 15 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's just not as practical to carry | Aug 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | And you.. you have the lousiest gun the world... it's more lethal when used for lunching | Aug 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | *punching | Aug 15 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Remington 20 gauge pump action | Aug 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/356055/sap_accepts_liability_oracle_lawsuit?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Aug 15 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: SAP accepts liability in Oracle lawsuit - applications, Application services, copyright, intellectual property - Techworld .::. Size~: 49.72 KB | Aug 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0805/imf-documents-illustrate-plan-turn-drawing-rights-global-currency/ | Aug 15 23:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IMF document illustrates plan to raise global currency | Raw Story .::. Size~: 101.94 KB | Aug 15 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I also have a bunch of door breaching shells for it | Aug 15 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 23:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/05/this-week-in-bad-adv.html | Aug 15 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/05/a-public-service-ann.html | Aug 15 23:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: A public service announcement brought to you by the starship Enterprise - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 55.65 KB | Aug 15 23:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/06/nhs_royal_berkshire_trust_job_cuts/ | Aug 15 23:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: NHS trust axes 600 jobs, IT staff up for chop • The Register .::. Size~: 24.39 KB | Aug 15 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Oh, well.. this is stupid. | Aug 15 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, History lesson for you. During World War I, while Germany was using things like Mustard Gas, American soldiers were bringing over pump action shotguns to use in close quarters trench fighting. (The also had a bayonet affixed to them) | Aug 15 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Another "no s, sherlock' study: http://www.itwire.com/science-news/health/40989-study-says-better-sex-occurs-with-less-stress | Aug 15 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Germany complained that the shotguns were illegal under international treaty and said they were going to start executing anyone found with one | Aug 15 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | because they were inhumane | Aug 15 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Source? | Aug 15 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | history channel | Aug 15 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | I assume they were mad because the style of rifle they were used to encountering with the British forces was useless at close range | Aug 15 23:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're a systematic liar, you see... | Aug 15 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0806/ad-quotes-mccain-admitting-lying/ | Aug 15 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they must have said it differently | Aug 15 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Aug 15 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Link? | Aug 15 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1912#Military_Use | Aug 15 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1726952/digg-dogged-conservative-pressure?WT.rss_f=News&WT.rss_a=Digg+is+dogged+by+conservative+pressure+groups " News-sharing website has been hijacked by Reich-wing zealots " | Aug 15 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Digg is dogged by conservative pressure groups - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 74.57 KB | Aug 15 23:49 |
| MinceR | gn | Aug 15 23:49 |
| schestowitz | The Nazis had advanced machine guns, not at all humane | Aug 15 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 15 23:49 |
| MinceR | no, it's very human | Aug 15 23:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's a crap rifle | Aug 15 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | which means their complaints were even less valid | Aug 15 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Takes long to reload | Aug 15 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | very effective | Aug 15 23:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they also called Cyclone B "humane gas" | Aug 15 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | Zyklon B ftw | Aug 15 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | some major wholesale pwnage | Aug 15 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Aug 15 23:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/06/us_jobs_jul_2010/ | Aug 15 23:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: US chops 131,000 jobs in July • The Register .::. Size~: 25.29 KB | Aug 15 23:51 |
| schestowitz | 'The "D" is over' | Aug 15 23:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what the heck are you talking about? | Aug 15 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | Liberals figure the government wasting money on stupid shit + corporate welfare =jobs | Aug 15 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Hurd gives the fingers (all 4): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10900198 | Aug 15 23:53 |
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| DaemonFC | This is Premier Obama reminding you to weather strip your cardboard box | Aug 15 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | (and hope the bank doesn't take that too!) | Aug 15 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 15 23:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that "wholesale pwnage" you joke about include annihilation of gay people like you | Aug 15 23:54 |
| schestowitz | *included | Aug 15 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | sorry, I jsut meant that to be offensive to Jews since they're the only people anyone figures are worth mentioning | Aug 15 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | or remembering | Aug 15 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Many people died at that time, around the wars | Aug 15 23:55 |
| schestowitz | I think like 100 million | Aug 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | Jews are still trying to guilt trip people over that | Aug 15 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Under diffeent circumstances, famine, war, gassing.. | Aug 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | where's the sympathy for the 50,000 gay people murdered? | Aug 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | oh right, we're not JEWS | Aug 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | JEWS are the only people that matter | Aug 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | I keep forgetting | Aug 15 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | And gypsies | Aug 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe the majority among them | Aug 15 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | nobody remembers the gypsies either | Aug 15 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | just the JEWS | Aug 15 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | zomg JEWS! | Aug 15 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | not JUICE | Aug 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | gypsies don't have a lobby | Aug 15 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | JEWS!!! | Aug 15 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | REMEMBER THE FUCKING JEWS!!! LULZ!!! | Aug 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | History is relative | Aug 15 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | Protip: Remember the JEWISH holocaust | Aug 15 23:56 |
| MinceR | Godberry! King of the juice. | Aug 15 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It was just JEWS, only JEWS | Aug 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: is homosexuality a DNA thing, environment, or both | Aug 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | In your opinion? | Aug 15 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | the rest of the mass executions are ones society viewed as good or at least neutral | Aug 15 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | but you can't kill JEWS! | Aug 15 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | not JEWWWWWWS!!! | Aug 15 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | well, it occurs in animals | Aug 15 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm leaning towards DNA | Aug 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | OK, so it was racial genocides | Aug 15 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Or DNA at least | Aug 15 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | right, genocide kind of implies genetic motivations | Aug 15 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't it? | Aug 15 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Depends | Aug 15 23:59 |
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