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FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: r u the person I was speaking with about data retention, the difficulty thereof?Aug 17 00:02
ThistleWebwould "I forget" be a funny reply?Aug 17 00:03
ThistleWeblol, but seriously, no, it wasn't meAug 17 00:03
FurnaceBoyokAug 17 00:04
FurnaceBoy_Goblin: was it you?Aug 17 00:04
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: funny enoughAug 17 00:04
ThistleWebtyAug 17 00:04
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ThistleWeblol, apparently MS want their employees to code windows phone 7 apps in their spare time, which explains why they gave their employees free phonesAug 17 00:15
FurnaceBoyyus.Aug 17 00:15
ThistleWebthe whole "build in your own time is the FOSS model, the difference is you build them to be patented / copyrighted etc by MS, for MS to licence and get money fromAug 17 00:16
FurnaceBoyawesomeAug 17 00:16
ThistleWebstill FOSS is a parasite eh Stevo?Aug 17 00:17
FurnaceBoythey'd do better giving the laid off employees a phone and ask them to code stuff while they look for a new jobAug 17 00:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #GNU #TLS is borked, hope anyone here can fix it. openssl s client opens m.caixadirecta.cgd.pt just fine.Aug 17 00:17
ThistleWebI guessed the "give peeps a free gadget so they then rave about it" idea, but asking them to code for MS in their free time does take the pissAug 17 00:18
FurnaceBoyit's an admission of failure.Aug 17 00:18
ThistleWebI'd also imagine those who don't code enough will be the next in line for the layoff queue for not being a team player in these tough timesAug 17 00:19
FurnaceBoythe idiots could just steal Google's 20% ideaAug 17 00:19
FurnaceBoywhich is one of very few enlightened policies to come out of contemporary sweatshopsAug 17 00:19
FurnaceBoyugh, i shouldn't use that wordAug 17 00:19
ThistleWebhence, if ya want a chance of keeping your paying job, ya better get stuck in and put the hours in for free making stuff for usAug 17 00:19
FurnaceBoyyusAug 17 00:19
FurnaceBoyoh, and btw, we OWN youAug 17 00:20
ThistleWebthat way they get round the labour laws for working hours / overtime rates tecAug 17 00:20
FurnaceBoyit seems quite possible that they could emulate google.Aug 17 00:21
ThistleWebthey're tryingAug 17 00:21
FurnaceBoybut the problem is, google's 20% dovetails perfectly into F/OSSAug 17 00:21
ThistleWeboh, emulate != copyAug 17 00:21
FurnaceBoyit's a PR winAug 17 00:21
FurnaceBoythere's not much incentive if it's "oh, use that 20% to do something for us."Aug 17 00:21
FurnaceBoy...uh wait, that's the other 80%....Aug 17 00:21
FurnaceBoybut "do smth you're passionate about," these days, can easily mean F/OSS.Aug 17 00:22
FurnaceBoyor even just playing with F/OSS techAug 17 00:22
FurnaceBoyto learnAug 17 00:22
FurnaceBoywhich benefits employer tooAug 17 00:22
FurnaceBoyso either you get 1) happier employee 2) good PR from community work or 3) more skills from explorationAug 17 00:22
FurnaceBoyand you don't lose anything. Aug 17 00:23
ThistleWebI wonder how many MS employees will spot the similarity between what they're being told to do, and the FOSS model, and the differences in how they benefitAug 17 00:23
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: depends on strength of brainwashing.Aug 17 00:23
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: i don't think MinimSFT is going to blog about the parallels any time soon :)Aug 17 00:23
ThistleWebwill they be able to use their apps as a portfolio for other employers? course not, it'll be closed source, owned by MSAug 17 00:23
FurnaceBoyyou bet!Aug 17 00:23
FurnaceBoycan't even use it personallyAug 17 00:23
FurnaceBoylose-lose-loseAug 17 00:23
FurnaceBoymore brilliant MS FailChessAug 17 00:23
ThistleWebI'd imagine they'd get free licences for themselvesAug 17 00:24
cubevectorbrain-washing? how about the commonly held idea you can't get a computer job without learning to use Microsoft products?Aug 17 00:24
cubevectorI've heard that a ton of timesAug 17 00:24
ThistleWebof course that may have some clause like "while you're an employee of MS"Aug 17 00:24
FurnaceBoycubevector: not related. i mean employee brainwashing.Aug 17 00:24
cubevectorah sorryAug 17 00:24
FurnaceBoycubevector: koolaidAug 17 00:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I made this http://is.gd/ekKh2 for this http://is.gd/ekKj4 I am so very, very sorry.Aug 17 00:24
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FurnaceBoycubevector: you get glimpses of it on MiniMSFT articles and some comments.Aug 17 00:24
FurnaceBoycubevector: think Scientology :DAug 17 00:24
cubevectorstill, it's a kind of brainwashingAug 17 00:25
cubevectoryeahAug 17 00:25
FurnaceBoyMS CultAug 17 00:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @sjvn: RT @pgralla: Schmidt offers Google's most chilling Big Brother scenario yet http://bit.ly/aLWGZhAug 17 00:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I made this http://is.gd/ekKnm for this http://is.gd/ekKj4 I am so very, very sorry.Aug 17 00:25
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FurnaceBoyheh, schmidt said "change your name if you don't want youthful indiscretions found by google."Aug 17 00:26
FurnaceBoythen what happens when they find a way to link the two names? Aug 17 00:26
FurnaceBoyit will happen.Aug 17 00:26
FurnaceBoyit's not even obviously hard.Aug 17 00:26
ThistleWebI wonder if that was a condition of getting a free phone, if they knew upfront that was expected of them, or if there's any peer pressure to exclude those who don'tAug 17 00:26
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: there must be a 'door' to participate in the program, and attendant fineprint.Aug 17 00:27
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: it's strategic, MS is doing this b/c they think it's somehow advantageousAug 17 00:27
ThistleWebyou'd think so eh?Aug 17 00:27
FurnaceBoyyeahAug 17 00:27
FurnaceBoycorps don't piss about :-/Aug 17 00:27
FurnaceBoyany excuse to pay lawyersAug 17 00:28
FurnaceBoybut like i say, it's an admission of defeat.Aug 17 00:28
cubevectorglory days are overAug 17 00:28
cubevectorno questionAug 17 00:28
ThistleWebI wonder how many MS employees have iPhones or Android but have to use them secretly at workAug 17 00:28
FurnaceBoyLOLAug 17 00:28
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: yeah there was that anecdote about the guy who got yelled at for using an iPhone in front of Ballmer.Aug 17 00:29
FurnaceBoysecure, much? what a twat he is.Aug 17 00:29
FurnaceBoyhow;'s that google crushing going, Steve?Aug 17 00:29
ThistleWeblike a lil secret porn stash, checking facebook with the phone under the desk trying not to look like you're typing......or worse, with a hand hidden under the desk, moving and a look of furtive concentrationAug 17 00:29
ThistleWebready to quickly flip it away when anyone gets nearAug 17 00:30
FurnaceBoyawfulAug 17 00:30
FurnaceBoyno wonder they're dyingAug 17 00:31
ThistleWebyepAug 17 00:31
FurnaceBoyhow could engineers put up with that atmosphere? it's insultingAug 17 00:31
ThistleWebI can imagine the culture making you oblivious to what other competitors are doing when at work, but honestly, these people don't live at the company, they MUST see their mates, family etc with other phones so they must have some idea, even if they can't admit itAug 17 00:32
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: Facebook isn't off the menu. Facebook and Microsoft share the same DNA. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21458486/Aug 17 00:32
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ThistleWebso you have to wonder why they continue to work for a company they must see continually falls behind the curveAug 17 00:32
cubevectorwho cares what phones they use? It shouldn't even matterAug 17 00:33
cubevectorno other employer would careAug 17 00:33
ThistleWebyeah, facebook was an example........is it still off the menu when reading and updating from an iphone or android?Aug 17 00:33
ThistleWebthat was my pointAug 17 00:33
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: no idea :)Aug 17 00:34
ThistleWebthey can swallow the company line that they're the best at everything while at work, to some degree, specially when they're surrounded by all MS stuffAug 17 00:34
ThistleWebbut at weekends, holidays, evenings, socialising, they have to see and play with the competition and have a knowledgeable idea of how it differs to what they make at work. They have to know the user experience android and the iphone give users, even if the top brass are obliviousAug 17 00:36
ThistleWebit shouldn't matter which phone exactlyAug 17 00:36
cubevectorI don't even own a cell phone :)Aug 17 00:37
ThistleWebthere's issues about security if you do work stuff on the phone, or issues to do with potential disclosure of internal company info, but that's totally different to a brand of phone or OS it runsAug 17 00:37
FurnaceBoyi wish i didn't. they suck.Aug 17 00:37
cubevectorI'm wanting for the world-wide free short-wave internet Aug 17 00:38
ThistleWebor company time used / disruptions to meetings etcAug 17 00:38
cubevectorI wouldn't mind having a hand-held that ran XAug 17 00:41
cubevectordon't need the phone partAug 17 00:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] a generation of researchers using proprietary tools like #Mathematica. how to reproduce their results in 20,50,100 yrs? it won't be possibleAug 17 00:45
cubevectorno one wants to talk about X :-/Aug 17 00:48
cubevectormaybe on google groups, I should checkAug 17 00:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] The Need For Anti-SLAPP Laws: Developer Sues Author, Publisher, Academic Who Praised Book & Reporter That Reviewed Book http://dlvr.it/3tD6WAug 17 01:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Off to bed.....thats me done for the night...Aug 17 01:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Comedy: http://email2tweet.posterous.com/true-story-buddy-recounts-story-from-lunchAug 17 02:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] If Your Ad Claims 'Save More Every Time You Shop,' Does That Need To Be True? http://dlvr.it/3tPCqAug 17 03:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz Agree: #salon syndicating #gigaom = #fail !Aug 17 03:45
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: olaAug 17 03:53
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: http://market-ticker.org/archives/2425-Solving-the-HFT-Dilemma.htmlAug 17 03:54
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jweyrichFurnaceBoy: ola! I'm at william's place. finishing some tests. will check the link later (please, remember me haha).Aug 17 03:54
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: sem problema. manda ola para o willinhoAug 17 03:55
jweyrichFurnaceBoy: I told you msg'd in ptbr and he said "he talks better portuguese than us" haha.Aug 17 03:56
jweyrichs/talks/speaks/Aug 17 03:57
FurnaceBoyLOLAug 17 03:57
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: you might also like this. I can send via memoserv if you like http://www.openframeworks.cc/aboutAug 17 03:57
jweyrichbrb.Aug 17 03:57
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jweyrichoh plase.Aug 17 03:57
jweyrichplease*Aug 17 03:57
FurnaceBoyesta feitoAug 17 03:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] High-freq trading=social evil: 'return markets to their social function..price discovery &capital formation' http://bit.ly/arbpSb #hft #scamAug 17 04:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Rumsfeld himself unleashed a chemical weapon of mass destruction upon the world in 1981' #aspartame http://www.rense.com/general67/rum.htmAug 17 04:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] your life's work in an unreadable ZIPAug 17 04:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'w/full knowledge of #aspartame's neurotoxicity+carcinogenicity,Rumsfeld [pulled strings for] #fda approval' #NutraSweet http://bit.ly/c1E6EAug 17 04:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'the same adverse reactions seen in lab animals in 60s & 70s are now being seen in the general population' #aspartame http://bit.ly/c1E6EAug 17 04:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] #Java creator Gosling on #Oracle vs. #Google, morality: #Microsoft probably has the high ground http://bit.ly/d1t4Ne #patentAug 17 05:13
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DaemonFCJust when you thought the Republicans couldn't get any more insane...Aug 17 05:45
DaemonFCNow their platform calls for repealing the 14th AmendmentAug 17 05:45
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 05:46
DaemonFCThe news cycles are only focusing on the fact that this amendment gives US citizenship to all people born hereAug 17 05:47
DaemonFCbut it also has the incorporation clause, which gives supremacy to the US constitution and federal statutesAug 17 05:47
DaemonFCso they have two reasons to hate itAug 17 05:47
DaemonFCInstead of repealing the 14th Amendment, I would propose a new amendment that alters the meaning of natural born citizenship to hold that only a child born of at least one US citizen within US jurisdiction is in fact a citizenAug 17 05:56
DaemonFCof course that would undermine the reaons they have for wanting to repeal the entire thingAug 17 05:56
DaemonFC(which isn't likely anyway)Aug 17 05:57
DaemonFCit's an exercise in pandering to a fringe group of idiots to motive them to turn out and voteAug 17 05:57
DaemonFCthen the issue will disappearAug 17 05:57
DaemonFC*motivateAug 17 05:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oracle's Java Aggression Spills to Other Sun Projects http://ur1.ca/15slj #java #scoracle #opensolaris #openofficeAug 17 06:09
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DaemonFCschestowitz: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20013721-71.htmlAug 17 06:13
DaemonFCBest Buy is suing a churchAug 17 06:13
DaemonFCheheAug 17 06:13
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schestowitz[00:26] <FurnaceBoy> then what happens when they find a way to link the two names? Aug 17 06:18
schestowitzDon't forget Google going further into the past to dig stuff predating the Web, with names, like USENET archivesAug 17 06:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] New Program Makes It Even Easier To Hide & Access Information In Flickr Photos http://dlvr.it/3tjHYAug 17 06:18
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schestowitz[05:13] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [fosspatents] #Java creator Gosling on #Oracle vs. #Google, morality: #Microsoft probably has the high groundAug 17 06:22
schestowitzAh, more Microsoft whitewashing from Microsoft agent FlorianAug 17 06:22
cubevectorsounds sinisterAug 17 06:23
schestowitzhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/08/15/2317212/Julian-Assange-To-Write-For-Swedish-Tabloid?from=rssAug 17 06:30
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schestowitzSeems like /. helps belittle him.Aug 17 06:30
DaemonFCattention whoreAug 17 06:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody I actually think the BBC's new layout is OK. Reuters and WSJ get it right.Aug 17 06:34
DaemonFCyou'd think the big bad CIA would have suicided him alreadyAug 17 06:34
DaemonFCguess not thoughAug 17 06:34
DaemonFC:PAug 17 06:34
MinceRperhaps the CIA isn't so good at that and it takes them more timeAug 17 06:35
MinceRor they're afraid of the backlashAug 17 06:36
DaemonFCsupposedly they failed to get Castro over 300 timesAug 17 06:36
DaemonFCof course I happen to think that Castro's PR people came up with thatAug 17 06:37
DaemonFCMinceR: Or they're waiting for the attention to die downAug 17 06:37
DaemonFCthen they'll make sure he doesn't make any follow upsAug 17 06:37
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 06:37
cubevectorwhy assassinate Castro?Aug 17 06:38
cubevectorwhat good would it do?Aug 17 06:38
DaemonFCI do happen to think he's probably already pissed enough people off that *something* will happen to him eventually Aug 17 06:38
DaemonFCit'll probably be something impossible to prove one way or another Aug 17 06:38
MinceRDaemonFC: rightAug 17 06:41
schestowitzDid Assange release the remaining docs? I think notAug 17 06:45
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/lNQxn/Aug 17 06:45
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schestowitzCancer in IraqAug 17 06:45
schestowitzThey must be using the same nuclear residues they used in Kuwait, infamouslyAug 17 06:45
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/15/singh-urges-kashmir-peaceAug 17 06:46
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schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/aug/15/michael-howard-david-kelly-inquestAug 17 06:46
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schestowitz'Suicided' probablyAug 17 06:46
schestowitzhttp://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.592.6Aug 17 06:54
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schestowitzhttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10 http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/aug/15/us-unemployment-congress-paul-krugmanAug 17 06:55
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MinceRhttp://twitter.com/jasonmustian/status/21337496786Aug 17 06:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How you know there's inflation [IMG] http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1255_signs.jpgAug 17 07:00
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schestowitzhttp://blog.youthrights.org/2010/08/11/schwarzenegger_v_gamers_help_us_fight_back/Aug 17 07:06
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schestowitzSchwarzenegger is nutsAug 17 07:07
DaemonFChe's apparently trying to piss off everybodyAug 17 07:09
DaemonFC:PAug 17 07:09
DaemonFCI agreeAug 17 07:09
DaemonFCschestowitz: That's the problem with making nothing but enemies or neutral third partiesAug 17 07:10
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 07:10
DaemonFCeventually you're on your ownAug 17 07:10
DaemonFCAssange hasn't pissed off every government in the world enough to try to kill himAug 17 07:11
DaemonFCbut he's made a few of them irritated enough that they will either turn him over or look the other way when something "unfortunate" happens to himAug 17 07:12
DaemonFCYou know, like, their local police won't be able to figure out what happened to himAug 17 07:12
DaemonFCor they'll find him next to an empty pill bottle and that's good enough for themAug 17 07:12
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 07:12
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DaemonFChttp://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1884372854.htmlAug 17 07:27
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DaemonFChmmmAug 17 07:27
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/08/cyberwar-wikileaks/Aug 17 07:31
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DaemonFCschestowitz: iWork does support OOXMLAug 17 07:36
DaemonFCbut Apple is paying licensing fees for it to Microsoft Aug 17 07:36
DaemonFChmmm, from that quote though, they also ignore other office suites on Windows apparentlyAug 17 07:37
DaemonFCin addition to OS XAug 17 07:38
schestowitzStop messing with OOXML thenAug 17 07:40
schestowitzCare about features people useAug 17 07:40
schestowitzAnd not some rare Microsoft formatAug 17 07:40
DaemonFCYou act like I create docx files isntead of merely having to open themAug 17 07:40
schestowitzWhat stupid article: http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=154403404Aug 17 07:41
schestowitzMSN.........Aug 17 07:41
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schestowitzDaemonFC: who sends you those?Aug 17 07:41
DaemonFCstate agenciesAug 17 07:41
schestowitzSoon enough people will just share Web pagesAug 17 07:41
schestowitzNot filesAug 17 07:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: state agencies can't use just OOXMLAug 17 07:41
schestowitzI think it's against the rules even in the USAug 17 07:41
schestowitzRequest another formatAug 17 07:41
DaemonFCthere's no federal rules about itAug 17 07:42
DaemonFCstates get to choose what they'll use or acceptAug 17 07:42
schestowitzSo like gun possession :-)Aug 17 07:42
DaemonFCnoAug 17 07:42
DaemonFCany place you buy a gun has to check with the ATF firstAug 17 07:43
DaemonFCthe state carry license is just one partAug 17 07:44
DaemonFCthe only exception for buying is if one private citizen sells a gun to anotherAug 17 07:44
DaemonFCbut any dealer has to do the ATF background checkAug 17 07:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] WeTab Set for September German Release, Other Countries to Follow http://ur1.ca/15ted Runs Android nowAug 17 07:45
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DaemonFCit doesn't really matter thoughAug 17 07:45
DaemonFCthe liberals like to make it sound like you don't get a background check if you buy one that wayAug 17 07:46
DaemonFCand you doAug 17 07:46
DaemonFCwhen you go apply for a carrying permitAug 17 07:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT To most Christians, the Bible is like a software license. Nobody actually reads it. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree."Aug 17 07:46
DaemonFCso really the people that buy them from dealers get checked twiceAug 17 07:46
schestowitz*LOL* @ jwildeboerAug 17 07:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: the church says the bible says that God says he "hates fags"Aug 17 07:47
DaemonFCnowhere does it say that preciselyAug 17 07:48
DaemonFCthe closest you'll get to that is in Leviticus and even then, only in some of the English translationsAug 17 07:48
DaemonFCand in Leviticus, it also commands you not to eat shellfishAug 17 07:48
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/aug/16/get-more-people-using-free-softwareAug 17 07:49
DaemonFCor wear clothing of mixed fiberAug 17 07:49
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schestowitzDaemonFC: why not?Aug 17 07:49
DaemonFCalso, the tale of Sodom and Gommorah mentions all kinds of depravity, but nowhere does it actually specify homosexualityAug 17 07:49
DaemonFCschestowitz: Clearly it offends God when people get together on Christmas and eat ham and possibly seafood, wearing clothing of mixed fiberAug 17 07:50
DaemonFCand they'll burn in hell for it foreverAug 17 07:50
DaemonFCschestowitz: Do you have Mormons in the UK?Aug 17 07:52
DaemonFCTo any significant degree that isAug 17 07:52
schestowitzNone that I'm aware ofAug 17 07:52
schestowitzWhy?Aug 17 07:52
DaemonFCJehovas Witnesses?Aug 17 07:52
schestowitzI think Asay had something in the UK..Aug 17 07:52
schestowitzDaemonFC: the SCO crowd says PJ is a 'Witness'Aug 17 07:53
schestowitzBased on some flyers, don't know if it's true...Aug 17 07:53
DaemonFCschestowitz: Why aren't there any Jehovas Witnesses in Detroit?Aug 17 07:53
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 07:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: I'm a gnuvah witnessAug 17 07:53
DaemonFCCause they don't like any kind of witnesses there.Aug 17 07:53
DaemonFCheheheAug 17 07:53
schestowitzYahweh's AlibiAug 17 07:57
schestowitzThe Mac booster says Android will be 'killed' http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill-googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/Aug 17 08:00
TechrightsBotTitle:   How Oracle might kill Googles Android and software patents all at once  RoughlyDrafted Magazine .::. Size~: 82.65 KBAug 17 08:00
MinceRand he might be right for onceAug 17 08:01
schestowitz"That’s going to result in a dark cloud over the already dismal climate of the Android software platform. Sure, users are buying Android phones now in the US on Verizon, but that’s largely because there are no other phones for Verizon to sell."Aug 17 08:01
schestowitzGod save the quee... I mean, the hypePhoneAug 17 08:01
MinceRalready dismal? that's richAug 17 08:01
MinceRandroid is way more popular than its technical merits justifyAug 17 08:01
schestowitzDismal at over 100k appsAug 17 08:01
schestowitzMinceR: same can be said about hypePhoneAug 17 08:02
schestowitzMeeGo is atrongAug 17 08:02
schestowitzneeds apps and partners, thoughAug 17 08:02
MinceRthe hypePhone is so much worse it isn't even funnyAug 17 08:02
schestowitzIt has fart appsAug 17 08:02
MinceRthe hypePhone is less open than any of the phones i ever hadAug 17 08:02
schestowitzFarts can be killersAug 17 08:02
MinceRyou can code fart apps in J2MeAug 17 08:02
MinceR(until larry sues you, of course)Aug 17 08:02
schestowitzWhy?Aug 17 08:03
schestowitzDoes he own the sound?Aug 17 08:03
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/solaris-still-sorta-open-but-opensolaris-distro-is-dead.arsAug 17 08:03
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MinceRonly if you use his fartAug 17 08:03
schestowitzWith classAug 17 08:04
DaemonFChmmm, the Clip+ has a bug in the MP3 decoderAug 17 08:04
schestowitzpublic statis void fartAug 17 08:04
schestowitz*ticAug 17 08:05
DaemonFCit plays some MP3s too slowly causing them to be slightly off pitchAug 17 08:05
DaemonFCWikipedia is wrong btwAug 17 08:05
DaemonFCit describes it as a firmware bug affecting any codecAug 17 08:05
DaemonFCit does not affect AAC, WMA, or Vorbis decodersAug 17 08:05
DaemonFC:PAug 17 08:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Now enjoying India-gii mailing list. Why the hell I was not aware of this mailing list.Aug 17 08:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] मूल व्यञ्जनों (अ-ध्वनि रहित) के यूनिकोड कूट निर्धारण की आवश्यकता - Good Discussion. Hindi Folk join here - http://bit.ly/90pbhVAug 17 08:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @fabsh ♺ To most Christians, the Bible is like a software license. Nobody actually reads it. They just scroll to the bottom and click ...Aug 17 08:27
DaemonFChttp://www.indystar.com/article/20100817/LOCAL/8170325/Boone-County-bans-public-use-sale-of-spiceAug 17 08:30
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DaemonFCSpice is the new Marijuana scare apparentlyAug 17 08:30
DaemonFCthe "one hit and you're incurably insane for life and/or might try to stab yourself to death with an ice pick" lineAug 17 08:31
DaemonFCschestowitz: British Polluters now has a line you can call to report oilAug 17 08:33
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/gnGUd/Aug 17 08:33
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DaemonFCI guess so they can come spray dispersant on it and sink it to the bottom with the restAug 17 08:33
DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100812-716054.htmlAug 17 08:35
TechrightsBotTitle: Michigan Oil Spill Moves To Recovery Phase, Enbridge To File Restart Plan - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 102.49 KBAug 17 08:35
DaemonFCanother oil spill in MichiganAug 17 08:35
DaemonFCpipe bursts, sprays 800,000 gallons out before someone noticesAug 17 08:35
DaemonFC:PAug 17 08:35
DaemonFChttp://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/08/17/obama_sharpens_message_for_fall_election/Aug 17 08:36
TechrightsBotTitle: Obama sharpens message for fall election - The Boston Globe .::. Size~: 65.35 KBAug 17 08:36
DaemonFCRecovery Accomplished?Aug 17 08:36
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 08:36
DaemonFC"Despite deep voter impatience over the sickly economy, the White House is betting people will stick with Democrats if the choice is framed as one between those who act and those who obstruct."Aug 17 08:37
DaemonFCBoth parties act quickly...to dump out as much corporate welfare as possibleAug 17 08:37
MinceRthe framing is the problem, exactlyAug 17 08:37
DaemonFCover mostly the same recipients :DAug 17 08:37
DaemonFCThe Corporate Welfare, Pork-Barrel Spending, and General Fiscal Irresponsibility Act of 2009 helped out that cause a lotAug 17 08:38
DaemonFCdidn't put many people back to work thoughAug 17 08:38
DaemonFC:PAug 17 08:39
DaemonFCMinceR: Did you see the Census came in $1.6 Billion under budget? ($800 Million of which was the return of an unused fund to help them carry out the Census were there to be an emergency of some sort)Aug 17 08:40
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 08:40
DaemonFCin other words, they're overbudgeting things intentionally so they can make headlines over the program coming in under budget laterAug 17 08:41
DaemonFCmakes it look all efficient that wayAug 17 08:41
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 08:41
DaemonFCMinceR: I had a Census worker come out and threaten meAug 17 08:43
DaemonFCwhen I mailed in my card back in March I put down my name and how many people lived in this houseAug 17 08:44
DaemonFCbut I left the rest of the card blankAug 17 08:44
DaemonFCso they sent someone to my door to ask me a bunch of invasive questionsAug 17 08:44
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DaemonFCand threatened to fine me $500 for not answering themAug 17 08:44
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 08:44
DaemonFCI heard one of them say that if you refuse to answer those questions, they just fill in the blanks from things like tax recordsAug 17 08:45
DaemonFCso why even have a census?Aug 17 08:45
DaemonFC:PAug 17 08:45
MinceRbecause the assholes who "work" for the state like bothering people and ordering them aroundAug 17 08:46
MinceRthat's a big part of statismAug 17 08:46
DaemonFCI complied with the part that the Constitution requiresAug 17 08:47
DaemonFCand I know they haven't actually fined anyone over the Census since the 1970sAug 17 08:47
DaemonFCI doubt I'll be the first one if they start back upAug 17 08:47
DaemonFC:PAug 17 08:47
DaemonFCThis Mosque distraction is going way too farAug 17 08:48
DaemonFCHow are they going to stop them if they want to?Aug 17 08:48
DaemonFCThey are private citizens erecting a building in compliance with the building codes of the cityAug 17 08:49
DaemonFCon property they ownAug 17 08:49
DaemonFCSo if the Muslims are doing this to provoke a response, why are we responding?Aug 17 08:51
DaemonFCIsn't that the whole point of flame baiting?Aug 17 08:51
DaemonFCTo get someone who can't do anything to go flying off the hinges?Aug 17 08:51
MinceRthey could make a new lawAug 17 08:52
MinceRif they really wantedAug 17 08:52
MinceRas long as those opposed to the mosque are the majorityAug 17 08:52
MinceRor they had enough moneyAug 17 08:52
DaemonFCthen it looks like they're bullyingAug 17 08:52
DaemonFCI've seen a few pollsAug 17 08:53
MinceRthen again, having enough money makes the laws irrelevantAug 17 08:53
DaemonFCfrom those it looks like about 70% of Americans don't want the mosque thereAug 17 08:53
MinceRas seen in SwedenAug 17 08:53
MinceRand in the EPOAug 17 08:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Will the loss of Becta give schools a fresh chance to make technology click? - http://bit.ly/c3hnj8 good to see from mainstream too #schoolsAug 17 08:53
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DaemonFCyeah, I was surprised to see those laws passing in "liberal" countriesAug 17 08:54
DaemonFCwhile Americans are just supposed to be "tolerant" of a group that nobody else in the world likes eitherAug 17 08:54
DaemonFC:PAug 17 08:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz it's clearly a personal thingAug 17 08:54
DaemonFCtypicalAug 17 08:54
DaemonFCyou have those laws passing in Europe, but we say we would just like them to not place that mosque next to where they murdered 3,000 peopleAug 17 08:55
DaemonFCand you'd think we were sending them to the gas chambers or somethingAug 17 08:55
DaemonFCand totally unprovoked Aug 17 08:56
DaemonFCMinceR: There's the problemAug 17 08:56
MinceRi'd like them and all the other cultists to not build any more churches, everAug 17 08:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I favorited a YouTube video -- The "CO2 is Plant Food" Crock http://youtu.be/g093lhtpEFo?aAug 17 08:56
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DaemonFCWhat do you do when a group that doesn't want to integrate and wants to kill you takes advantage of your own lawsAug 17 08:56
MinceRanywhereAug 17 08:56
DaemonFCright?Aug 17 08:56
MinceRrightAug 17 08:57
MinceRthey don't even have to want to kill youAug 17 08:57
DaemonFCMinceR: Deport the cultists to CanadaAug 17 08:57
DaemonFCI hear they're awfully tolerant up thereAug 17 08:57
MinceRdoes that make them harmless there?Aug 17 08:57
DaemonFCnoAug 17 08:57
DaemonFCIt worked for CastroAug 17 08:58
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 08:58
DaemonFCjust gather up all the undesirables and aim them towards some other country close byAug 17 08:58
DaemonFCThe Canadians are probably stupid enough to go along with itAug 17 08:58
DaemonFCMinceR: I may buy that old G3 MacAug 17 09:00
DaemonFCit's only $20Aug 17 09:00
DaemonFCI'm sure I can do something interesting with itAug 17 09:00
DaemonFCdid those have USB ports or just Firewire?Aug 17 09:01
DaemonFCI remember Crapple trying to push Firewire back thenAug 17 09:01
MinceRi doubt they pushed firewire for HID-sAug 17 09:01
MinceRso it will most likely have USB or some older style keyboard/mouse connectorAug 17 09:02
MinceR(crApple had their own before USB)Aug 17 09:02
DaemonFCThey didn't use PS/2?Aug 17 09:02
MinceRnot sureAug 17 09:03
MinceRwhy don't you look it up? :>Aug 17 09:03
DaemonFCprobably shouldAug 17 09:03
DaemonFC:PAug 17 09:03
DaemonFCThis PC I have now doesn't even have PS/2 portsAug 17 09:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 17/8/2010: Android Tablets, Eben Moglen Warns About SaaS Again http://ur1.ca/15u2b #techrights #androidAug 17 09:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] knowledge is power and every power in this world must be distributed equally in order to bring social equality/equilibrium. #knowledgeAug 17 09:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] OpenLuna - An Open Source Project Aimed at Returning Humankind Back to the Moon - http://bit.ly/dcKUP4 ambitious, if nothing else #spaceAug 17 09:07
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DaemonFChehAug 17 09:08
DaemonFCstupid neighborsAug 17 09:08
DaemonFCunsecured wifi, router was messing up my signal, so I logged in and hit theirs with a bad firmware updateAug 17 09:08
DaemonFClolAug 17 09:08
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 17/8/2010: Android Tablets, Eben Moglen Warns About SaaS Again http://ur1.ca/15u2b !techrights #androidAug 17 09:09
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DaemonFCthat's the end of that problem I guessAug 17 09:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Is Free Parking Costing Us Billions? http://dlvr.it/3v0v2Aug 17 09:11
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DaemonFCI see they still claim you can store twice as much music on the player if you use WMAAug 17 09:18
*DaemonFC pukesAug 17 09:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Project Snowstorm: Second Life's New Open Development Program - http://bit.ly/bqpWRC details of latest approach #sl #opensourceAug 17 09:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] In Brooklyn Store, Everything Is Always 100% Off - http://bit.ly/9iuGcz that's what I call #sharing #freeAug 17 09:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Earth's Overdraft Notice - http://bit.ly/cqKcHn good concept, bad trend #overshoot #resources #sustainabilityAug 17 09:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] uTorrent Backs Artist, Bundles Album With New Downloads - http://bit.ly/bjEcjo interesting blurring of categories #p2pAug 17 09:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Larry Ellison: “If an Open Source Product Gets Good Enough, We'll Simply Take It.” http://ur1.ca/15ub2Aug 17 09:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "If you still think software patents are a spur to innovation, you’re not paying attention," Phipps added in his post. http://ur1.ca/15ub2Aug 17 09:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Gathering, Preserving and Reusing our Cultural Heritage - the OKFN Cultural Heritage Working Group - http://bit.ly/9lVCfm sounds goodAug 17 09:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Expat life: Have children, will travel - http://bit.ly/clhGFm charming piece about expatriate family life in #ChinaAug 17 10:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] This evening - nerdnite in Munich. Come and enjoy! http://muenchen.nerdnite.com/Aug 17 10:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Still Negotiating Sale - Touching Base With the News http://ur1.ca/15um8 #opensuse #suse #sco #monoAug 17 10:20
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MinceRgeekingsAug 17 10:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Technical Leader Says That “Software Patents Suck” Ha! Right from the horse's mouth. http://ur1.ca/15uz9 #swpatsAug 17 10:46
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*DaemonFC carves an ipad into a Shuriken and attacks MinceR Aug 17 10:46
DaemonFCheheAug 17 10:46
*MinceR parries it with a BFS, destroying the hypePad in the processAug 17 10:47
MinceRof course it will blend.Aug 17 10:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] LoL #gwibber will move to sqlite a step #elmdentica has done long ago ;) (not competing with it, I just found it funny)Aug 17 10:47
DaemonFCipad magic neutralizes blockAug 17 10:47
DaemonFCcritical strikeAug 17 10:47
DaemonFC50 HPAug 17 10:47
DaemonFC:PAug 17 10:47
MinceRmy blocks can not be neutralizedAug 17 10:48
MinceRhypePad magic is mortal-level magic, not deity-levelAug 17 10:48
DaemonFCipad is magicAug 17 10:48
DaemonFCyou are notAug 17 10:48
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 10:48
MinceRyou're wrong as usual, mortalAug 17 10:49
DaemonFCIn Soviet Russia, iPad spills coffee on youAug 17 10:49
DaemonFCB-)Aug 17 10:49
MinceRunlike the hypePad, i can't be harmed by coffeeAug 17 10:50
DaemonFCMinceR drinks steaming hot coffee straight out of the carafe?Aug 17 10:50
DaemonFCniceAug 17 10:50
*DaemonFC sucks it straight out of the filterAug 17 10:51
DaemonFCMinceR, I'm kind of surprised that Apple ever went along with selling hypedevices at WalmartAug 17 10:52
DaemonFClike not even 10 feet away from the eMachine displayAug 17 10:52
DaemonFC:PAug 17 10:52
MinceRwhy?Aug 17 10:53
DaemonFC"Like, ZOMG, this is all, like, middle class and junk!"Aug 17 10:53
DaemonFCcheapens the "brand"Aug 17 10:53
DaemonFCalthough it's fittingAug 17 10:53
DaemonFCWalmart sells mostly junk that quickly breaksAug 17 10:54
DaemonFCMinceR, They made fun of the hypephone on The Boondocks a couple days agoAug 17 10:55
DaemonFCone of the terrorists kept going on and on about all he could do on his new hypephone Aug 17 10:55
MinceRcheapening the brand is acceptable if it results in profit ;)Aug 17 10:55
MinceRit brings salesAug 17 10:55
DaemonFCbut he could never make a phone call with it because he couldn't get any "mother**** bars!"Aug 17 10:55
DaemonFClolAug 17 10:55
MinceRlolAug 17 10:55
DaemonFChe said he finally let one of "his bitches" stick it up her assAug 17 10:56
DaemonFCand it took the ER 12 hours to get it back out and it still workedAug 17 10:56
DaemonFC:DAug 17 10:56
DaemonFChttp://www.examiner.com/tv-buzz-in-national/the-boondocks-season-finale-of-third-season-pokes-fun-at-obama-and-iphones-full-episode-4Aug 17 10:58
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DaemonFChmmm, they have the full episode thereAug 17 10:58
DaemonFC"Allah make my testicles strong against the boot of the infidel! *whack!* eeeeeyaaaaaaah!!!!!"Aug 17 10:59
DaemonFCheheAug 17 10:59
MinceR"worked"?Aug 17 11:00
MinceRso the way to make a hypePhone work is to stick it up someone's ass?Aug 17 11:00
DaemonFCno, it still didn't make phone calls apparently Aug 17 11:00
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 11:00
MinceRoh.Aug 17 11:01
DaemonFCLots of app developers have complained that Apple's approval process is so slow that it often leaves their app 2-3 entire revisions behindAug 17 11:02
DaemonFCand full of bugs and security/privacy vulnerabilities that they fixed months agoAug 17 11:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Broadcast audience aging faster than population - http://yhoo.it/9cDdME why traditional TV is doomed (hooray) #tv #demographicsAug 17 11:02
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MinceRit fits the rest of the platform that wayAug 17 11:02
MinceRespecially the OSAug 17 11:03
DaemonFCone developer I noticed said that the version of the app they approved turned out to be full of bugs that would crash the entire phoneAug 17 11:03
DaemonFCand it took Apple 3 months to approve the version he fixedAug 17 11:03
DaemonFCthe guy at the AT&T store was trying to sell me the iphone 4g and I told him not just no, but hell noAug 17 11:04
DaemonFCso he moved on to their Windows Mobile phones :PAug 17 11:05
DaemonFCI ended up choosing a Samsung model that runs on Java jsut because it seemed to suck less than everything else they hadAug 17 11:05
DaemonFC"Woohoo, Pocket Internet Explorer and no concept of minimizing applications to the tray!"Aug 17 11:06
DaemonFC:DAug 17 11:06
DaemonFCthose manage to suck worse than the hypephoneAug 17 11:06
MinceRyou can get Opera on WinMobAug 17 11:06
DaemonFCamazingly enough Aug 17 11:06
MinceRno, they don'tAug 17 11:06
MinceRexcept maybe alarms work in hypePhoneAug 17 11:07
DaemonFCyeah, I actually saw someone using one of those Windows Mobile phones Aug 17 11:07
DaemonFCthe thing was so comically huge that I'd rather carry a laptop on my pocket and use a 3g card and SkypeAug 17 11:08
DaemonFC:PAug 17 11:08
DaemonFCI don't even remember what model he hadAug 17 11:08
MinceRi'd still take a WinMob5/6 phone over a hypePhone anytimeAug 17 11:09
DaemonFCI'd rather not take eitherAug 17 11:10
DaemonFCboth of them were very underwhelmingAug 17 11:10
DaemonFCespecially since you had to pay extra for them and they were less functional than one of the "free" phones that comes with your planAug 17 11:10
DaemonFC:PAug 17 11:10
DaemonFCthe fact that Samsung's app signing key leaked out for this phone makes me view it even more favorably compared to the othersAug 17 11:13
DaemonFC:DAug 17 11:13
DaemonFCthe phone also has a master unlock key that leakedAug 17 11:13
DaemonFCI used it to delete all the crapware that came preinstalled Aug 17 11:14
MinceRniceAug 17 11:14
MinceRif only the root CA private key for symbian leakedAug 17 11:14
DaemonFCthey also set an open app limit to make the phone seem less capable than it isAug 17 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Adrian Bridgwater belives that "Open Souce" or "Free" means not "Commercial"? http://www.drdobbs.com/open-source/226700325Aug 17 11:14
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DaemonFCI changed it from 3 apps allowed open to 6Aug 17 11:14
DaemonFCI haven't managed to run it out of memoryAug 17 11:16
DaemonFCso I assume that was there to cripple the phoneAug 17 11:16
MinceRStarter EditionAug 17 11:16
DaemonFChttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167016RAug 17 11:17
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DaemonFChmmmmAug 17 11:17
DaemonFCWhat's the failure rate on SSDs looking like now?Aug 17 11:17
MinceRdunnoAug 17 11:18
MinceRbut i'm interestedAug 17 11:18
DaemonFCyeah, I thought about getting oneAug 17 11:18
DaemonFCcram the OS and my applications onto the SSDAug 17 11:19
DaemonFCand massive space hogging files off to the hard disk'Aug 17 11:19
DaemonFCI wonder if there's a way to get Windows to look at another drive to display stuff in your libraries Aug 17 11:20
DaemonFCprobably notAug 17 11:20
MinceRi thought about making sure my next laptop has SSD (and just backup often from readonly FS snapshots)Aug 17 11:20
DaemonFC(Who would want THAT!?)Aug 17 11:20
MinceRDaemonFC: symlinks?Aug 17 11:20
DaemonFCpossible I guessAug 17 11:20
MinceRoh, you mean vista7 "libraries"?Aug 17 11:20
DaemonFCyeahAug 17 11:20
MinceRdunno about thoseAug 17 11:20
DaemonFCin GNOME it would be easy to do since all I'd have to do is replace the "Music" bookmarkAug 17 11:21
MinceRcan't you just put your own bookmarks in the same list?Aug 17 11:21
DaemonFCyeah, the Favorites menuAug 17 11:22
DaemonFCthose Library things are mostly just clutterAug 17 11:22
DaemonFCthey look for music files for example that are littered all over your User folder and display them all in the "library" Aug 17 11:22
DaemonFCexcept that Windows doesn't recognize ogg or flac or stuff like that as music filesAug 17 11:23
MinceRgo figure.Aug 17 11:23
DaemonFCso the only way it shows those is if they're actually in my "My Music" folder Aug 17 11:23
DaemonFCso it basically ruins the entire Library feature unless you're using MP3, AAC, or WMAAug 17 11:24
DaemonFCalso, Explorer obviously can't read Vorbis tagsAug 17 11:25
DaemonFCor edit themAug 17 11:25
DaemonFCyou can still install the tag extender for Windows Media Player, but that's effectively Read Only because they removed the tag editorAug 17 11:25
DaemonFC(You're supposed to use Explorer now)Aug 17 11:26
MinceR:>Aug 17 11:26
DaemonFCAnd even if you use MP3, you still get hosedAug 17 11:26
DaemonFCbecause Explorer supports id3v2 2.3Aug 17 11:26
DaemonFCnot 2.4Aug 17 11:26
DaemonFCso not only do you lose UTF-8, you can't use the "/" character anywhere in the tag fieldsAug 17 11:27
DaemonFCand if you use Windows Explorer/Windows Media Player + other software, then you could get two sets of tag dataAug 17 11:28
DaemonFCand Windows Media Player can't understand the 2.4 tagsAug 17 11:28
DaemonFC:DAug 17 11:28
DaemonFCit's a great way to make a damned mess out of your MP3 tagsAug 17 11:29
DaemonFCand since the default behavior is to modify the tags without asking you, it could mess up hundreds of your MP3s before you even notice anything is wrongAug 17 11:29
DaemonFCoh yeah, id3v2 2.4 was finalized in late 2000Aug 17 11:30
DaemonFCand 10 years later, Microsoft doesn't support itAug 17 11:30
DaemonFCWindows Media Player is one of the most useless perverted things I've ever seenAug 17 11:31
DaemonFCit's like the IE of media player softwareAug 17 11:31
MinceRunsurprisinglyAug 17 11:32
DaemonFCI don't know, maybe not recognizing FLAC and Vorbis files isn't so badAug 17 11:33
DaemonFCthen it could mess up their tags with crap from MSN Music tooAug 17 11:33
DaemonFCMinceR, So say there's a "bad word" in one of your music files, right?Aug 17 11:34
DaemonFCit'll replace the word with asterisksAug 17 11:34
DaemonFCnot just in the tag, but it will actually rename the file on the diskAug 17 11:34
MinceRrotflAug 17 11:35
MinceRit really does that?Aug 17 11:35
DaemonFCyesAug 17 11:35
MinceRfreedom from bad words!Aug 17 11:35
MinceRi knew both steves were passionate about freedomAug 17 11:35
DaemonFCwell, it doesn't edit the lyricsAug 17 11:36
DaemonFCit just changes the file namesAug 17 11:36
DaemonFCobviouslyAug 17 11:36
MinceRjust wait until the next versionAug 17 11:36
DaemonFCthis is because the "closest match" is the edited version of the albumAug 17 11:36
DaemonFCso it applies the "clean" names to your "explicit lyrics" files Aug 17 11:37
DaemonFC:PAug 17 11:37
MinceRoh, so it's not a word filterAug 17 11:37
DaemonFCnoAug 17 11:37
MinceRjust the "even if i have no clue i know better than you what your files are"Aug 17 11:37
DaemonFCit applies the tags from the edited version of the albumAug 17 11:37
MinceRmentalityAug 17 11:37
DaemonFCand the corresponding file namesAug 17 11:37
MinceRi leave my filenames and tags untouched :>Aug 17 11:38
DaemonFCrightAug 17 11:38
MinceRthen again, many of my files can't be tagged anywayAug 17 11:38
schestowitzDana being a fool promoting Gates in a post about something he has nothing to do with: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/healthcare/alzheimers-and-open-source-medicine/3929Aug 17 11:38
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MinceR(modules, FM synth music, etc)Aug 17 11:38
MinceR(FM and AdLib, actually)Aug 17 11:38
DaemonFCyeah, I was going through my files and wondering why words were replaced with "******"Aug 17 11:38
DaemonFC"What the hell is doing that!?"Aug 17 11:39
DaemonFC:PAug 17 11:39
DaemonFCright, if there's not an exact match it often uses whatever it thinks is close enoughAug 17 11:41
DaemonFCthat's not just a problem with censoring "bad words"Aug 17 11:41
MinceRindeedAug 17 11:41
DaemonFCIt **** up your ****** bonus tracks tooAug 17 11:41
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 11:41
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MinceRit's a problem of overwriting data without asking even if it isn't sure what it's doingAug 17 11:42
DaemonFCyeahAug 17 11:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] AP Decides Not To Give LOLcats A License To Maintain 'Journalistic Integrity' http://dlvr.it/3vFxJAug 17 11:42
DaemonFCwell, you CAN tell it not to do that if you use the "Custom Setup" option the first time you start itAug 17 11:42
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DaemonFCbut nobody does thatAug 17 11:42
DaemonFCthey just slap whatever makes the dialog go away then the thing proceeds to fuck up all their tagsAug 17 11:43
MinceR:>Aug 17 11:43
DaemonFCyeah, it messed up several thousand of my files before I even knew what it was doingAug 17 11:44
DaemonFCso I head desked Aug 17 11:44
DaemonFCthen spent a couple hours fixing them with EasyTagAug 17 11:44
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 11:44
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DaemonFCMinceR, They should put that in one of those Vista7 was my idea commercialsAug 17 11:45
MinceR:>Aug 17 11:45
MinceRbblAug 17 11:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ian Murdock has been very quiet since joining Sun. Maybe he can rejoin Debian as leader and 'pull a Jobs'.Aug 17 11:45
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Debian is better off without himAug 17 11:46
schestowitzSays a Windows userAug 17 11:46
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DaemonFCmeh, he leaves DebianAug 17 11:46
DaemonFCgoes off and FUDs LinuxAug 17 11:46
schestowitzNopAug 17 11:47
DaemonFCstarts calling it a disposable piece of incoherent shit Aug 17 11:47
cubevectorwho did that?Aug 17 11:47
DaemonFCand "ZOMG Solaris is what you want! LULZ!!!!"Aug 17 11:47
DaemonFC"We have an integrated development model!"Aug 17 11:47
DaemonFCLinux is just this pile of packages with quality control problems Aug 17 11:48
DaemonFC:PAug 17 11:48
DaemonFCschestowitz, OpenSolaris speech he did back in 2008Aug 17 11:48
schestowitzhttp://ubuntulook.com/2010/08/17/patent-threat-banshee-gets-hooks-into-ubuntu-10-10/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=patent-threat-banshee-gets-hooks-into-ubuntu-10-10Aug 17 11:48
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schestowitz[11:47] <cubevector> who did that?Aug 17 11:49
DaemonFChe basically said that Solaris was better and that all you really want are things like FirefoxAug 17 11:49
schestowitzNo-one didAug 17 11:49
schestowitzJust the troll ( DaemonFC )Aug 17 11:49
cubevectorhmmAug 17 11:49
DaemonFCit's on Google VideoAug 17 11:49
DaemonFChttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5910900226352217932#Aug 17 11:49
TechrightsBotTitle: OpenSolaris .::. Size~: 35.48 KBAug 17 11:49
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT_ZGfnwDCMAug 17 11:50
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schestowitzIndiana is DEAD, DaemonFCAug 17 11:50
schestowitzFind another stateAug 17 11:50
DaemonFCthe Slowlaris project isAug 17 11:50
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2008/03/10/martin-buckley-quits/Aug 17 11:50
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schestowitz"Yesterday, I saw a video of Ian Murdock, Debian Project founder who now works at Sun and gave an update about Sun’s “Indiana Project”."Aug 17 11:50
schestowitz"I found it interesting that he opened up his talk by saying that he doesn’t believe that Solaris is competing with Linux and then he followed that up by detailing how Solaris will compete with Linux. It struck me that his apologetic tone about competition could be another instance of the Microsoft effect. In the Microsoft world, competition is a destructive zero-sum game. Murdock’s sense of how Solaris will compete with Linux Aug 17 11:50
schestowitzis a more positive sense. He wants Solaris to gain the good features of Linux while being able to brag about some other features that Linux doesn’t have. My thought is that he wouldn’t have apologised for the fact that Solaris competes with Linux if Microsoft hadn’t given a bad name to competition in the information technology space."Aug 17 11:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @stickster: @giallu Peter H at #Red_Hat already working on proper XInput boosts for multitouch. | #theopensourceway != #canonical ;-)Aug 17 11:50
DaemonFCyeah, he's gone quiet because he knows he'll be fired from Oracle probablyAug 17 11:51
DaemonFChe's trying not to rock the boatAug 17 11:52
DaemonFCsince his future with the company is already questionable Aug 17 11:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [jwildeboer] ♺ @giallu Peter H at #Red_Hat already working on proper XInput boosts for multitouch. | #theopensourceway != #canonical ;-)Aug 17 11:52
schestowitzSee, oiaohm?Aug 17 11:53
DaemonFChttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10997011Aug 17 11:53
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DaemonFC"She said the pictures were taken to "remember the experience" in the army."Aug 17 11:54
DaemonFC"Oh, that's the guy I waterboarded then tasered in the nuts!"Aug 17 11:54
DaemonFCAhhh, memories....Aug 17 11:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] wrt #multitouch and #canonical v upstream work by RHT/Fedora - see http://is.gd/eltWW for how this typically ends. #upstream wins.Aug 17 11:56
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DaemonFCheh, XGLAug 17 11:57
DaemonFChttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10987725Aug 17 11:59
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DaemonFChttp://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100817/LOCAL03/308179975/1002/LOCALAug 17 12:02
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DaemonFChahAug 17 12:03
DaemonFCOS X still doesn't support TRIMAug 17 12:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's like in Abu Ghareb, isn't it?Aug 17 12:06
schestowitzStupid militant mind thinking it's "cool" to harass peopleAug 17 12:06
DaemonFCschestowitz, If they were married like the good lord intended, then that child abuse never would have happenedAug 17 12:06
DaemonFCWhite Jesus would have made sure of thatAug 17 12:06
DaemonFC:PAug 17 12:07
schestowitzJesus is not whiteAug 17 12:07
schestowitzIt's what you want it to be, just like GodAug 17 12:07
schestowitzStick a name and pictureAug 17 12:07
schestowitzNeptune is kind of coolAug 17 12:08
schestowitzIt's also a better name then YahwehAug 17 12:08
DaemonFCWhite Jesus is WwhiteAug 17 12:08
schestowitzNap-TOON!!Aug 17 12:08
DaemonFCWhite God made a lot of separate but more or less equal heavensAug 17 12:08
schestowitzDaemonFC: what colour is "God" then?Aug 17 12:09
schestowitzWhy did God make black people "in [his] own image]?Aug 17 12:09
DaemonFCblack heaven has fried chickenAug 17 12:09
DaemonFCAND watermelon Aug 17 12:09
schestowitzAnd Katy PerryAug 17 12:09
schestowitzWith foam coming out of the pears :-pAug 17 12:09
schestowitzI don't understand how it's child-safe ratedAug 17 12:10
schestowitzFor music channelsAug 17 12:10
schestowitzWith Britney they blurred some stuff outAug 17 12:10
schestowitzIt gets worse over timeAug 17 12:10
schestowitzSooner or later they'll just require that nipples are forbidden and everything else is a-okAug 17 12:11
schestowitzDaemonFC: ohAug 17 12:11
schestowitzAnd showing Mo is worse than showing nipplesAug 17 12:11
schestowitzIt can lead to warAug 17 12:11
DaemonFChttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834320001Aug 17 12:12
DaemonFChmmmmAug 17 12:12
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schestowitzhttp://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Afghan-Forces-Getting-HMMWVs-06519/Aug 17 12:12
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DaemonFCWindows CE 5.0Aug 17 12:12
schestowitzhttp://www.javaworld.com/community/?q=node/4911  by Charles Nutter Aug 17 12:12
DaemonFChehAug 17 12:12
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DaemonFCToy OSAug 17 12:12
schestowitzThat's not a nice surname to haveAug 17 12:12
schestowitzToy-otosAug 17 12:13
DaemonFCa safe choiceAug 17 12:13
DaemonFC:)Aug 17 12:13
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/newsticker/news/item/Processor-Whispers-About-Harmless-Plants-and-Canny-Zombies-1059162.htmlAug 17 12:13
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schestowitzWhat's behind the name "newEgg"?Aug 17 12:14
DaemonFCno ideaAug 17 12:16
schestowitzLet's find out.....Aug 17 12:18
schestowitz"Traditionally, the egg is a symbol of birth and unlimited potential. The founders selected “Newegg” as the company name to signify new hope for e-commerce during a period when e-commerce businesses were struggling to survive."Aug 17 12:18
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeweggAug 17 12:18
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schestowitzhttp://www.crn.com/news/client-devices/226700245/asus-to-launch-linux-based-tablet-pc.htmAug 17 12:19
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DaemonFChttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/augens-99-genbook-smartbook-preview/Aug 17 12:19
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DaemonFC" It will probably come as no surprise that the GenBook, which is powered by a 400MHz CPU and 128MB of RAM, is slow. No, like really slow. It takes about a minute and a half to boot up and toggling through menus is downright laggy. We didn't have to wait all that long for webpages to load over WiFi, but the machine starts quitting programs when it's asked to do too much at the same time."Aug 17 12:20
DaemonFCThat's the Android oneAug 17 12:20
schestowitzRubbishAug 17 12:21
schestowitzIndia's has 2GB of RAM and Android... $35 maybeAug 17 12:21
DaemonFCIt's cheap, and it's CHEAPAug 17 12:22
DaemonFCheheAug 17 12:22
schestowitzhttp://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=603066&publicationSubCategoryId=71Aug 17 12:22
TechrightsBotTitle: IDC: Android partners post highest growth rates | The Philippine Star >> Business Features >> Networks .::. Size~: 93.54 KBAug 17 12:22
schestowitz"Aug 17 12:22
schestowitzREAD OTHER NEWSAug 17 12:22
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schestowitzMicrosoft is extorting al of themAug 17 12:23
schestowitz"Samsung, HTC, LG and other makers of Android-based smartphones keep highlighting the fact that there is a vast sea of free applications written for Android that are available to their consumers now."Aug 17 12:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Texas Memory Systems Joins Linux Foundation http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/08/prweb4387504.htm and the family grows... #linuxAug 17 12:33
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schestowitzhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/news/infrastructure/3235613/dell-buys-3par-for-115bn/Aug 17 12:44
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schestowitzamarsh04 oiaohm http://www.itnews.com.au/News/228951,treasury-linux-australia-collaborate-on-tax-tools.aspxAug 17 12:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] ACLU Allowed Into Lawsuit Over North Carolina's Demands To Hand Over Amazon Purchase History http://dlvr.it/3vQlXAug 17 13:22
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oiaohmThat treasury one is the Australian local Linux foundation at work.  schestowitzAug 17 13:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer wrt #multitouch and #canonical v upstream work by RHT/Fedora - see http://is.gd/eltWW for how this typically ends. #upstr ...Aug 17 13:25
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oiaohmTreasury said it would cost too much.  Local Linux foundation asked documentation and said they would write it themselves they had the funding.  schestowitzAug 17 13:26
oiaohmReally left the Treasury with no option.  schestowitzAug 17 13:26
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Why #software #patents are a joke http://twurl.nl/ospbliAug 17 13:44
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] The heresy of the #Greeks offers hope http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2010/05/greece-pilger-britain-imfAug 17 13:44
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gnufreexPatents are depresing joke.Aug 17 13:45
oiaohmReally the only way to get the rules changed is more cases like Orcale vs Google.  gnufreexAug 17 13:48
gnufreexYeah. That is why I think this is not exactly bad. Aug 17 13:48
oiaohmI really don't like a lot of things google did making android.Aug 17 13:49
oiaohmAndroid seams more like an attempt to go out of you way to be incompadible.Aug 17 13:50
gnufreexoiaohm: I am thinking the same: It has no GNU, uses BSD libc. It has crooked Linux kernel. It has crooked Java.  Aug 17 13:50
oiaohmThe BSD libc is damaged.Aug 17 13:51
gnufreexGow?Aug 17 13:51
gnufreexHow?Aug 17 13:51
oiaohmSome of the functions in it that work in the source libc don't work in the android 1Aug 17 13:51
oiaohmThose were found by people trying to get qemu to run on android.Aug 17 13:51
gnufreexAndroid has some "Bionic" library, it is not even real BSD libcAug 17 13:52
oiaohmIt looks like careless size reduction if the libc.  gnufreexAug 17 13:52
oiaohmYep.Aug 17 13:52
oiaohmStart with BSD libc can cut down.Aug 17 13:52
oiaohmAnd screw up.Aug 17 13:52
gnufreexThey could use eglibc if they don't like Urlich deeperAug 17 13:53
MinceRi prefer platforms i'm allowed to make a crooked version of :>Aug 17 13:53
MinceRlegally.Aug 17 13:53
gnufreexMeeGo uses eglibcAug 17 13:53
MinceRso does Debian, don't they?Aug 17 13:53
oiaohmDebian does use eglibc and many others.Aug 17 13:53
gnufreexYes. eglibc is compatible with glibc, just "more efficien"Aug 17 13:54
gnufreexMore efficient in a way that it doesn't have Uli DreeperAug 17 13:54
oiaohmNot 100 percent compatible by the way.Aug 17 13:54
oiaohmeglibc cuts down on a lot of the old backward compadiblity stuff gnufreexAug 17 13:54
oiaohmWho really tries to run binaries from 1998 and before on Linux gnufreexAug 17 13:55
gnufreexeglibc is compatible with everything that matters now or 5 years ago.Aug 17 13:55
MinceRoiaohm: whoever needs them. :>Aug 17 13:55
gnufreexoiaohm: and eglibc is still part of GNU project and copyrights are assigned to FSFAug 17 13:56
oiaohmThere were not that many closed soruce for Linux 1998 and before that was any good.  MinceRAug 17 13:56
gnufreexThat isimportant for enforcment of LGPLAug 17 13:56
MinceR10 years from now will you say the same about 2008? :>Aug 17 13:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ray Kurzweil does not understand the brain - http://bit.ly/auIhld fine take-down #brain #kurzweil #genomicsAug 17 13:56
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oiaohmAnd even the good ones have newer versions that are better.  MinceRAug 17 13:56
oiaohmWith free upgrades.Aug 17 13:56
MinceRwhat about games?Aug 17 13:56
oiaohmFind me a game for Linux 1998 and before that worked anywhere near well.Aug 17 13:57
oiaohmAnd used any of the old functions.Aug 17 13:57
oiaohmNote 1998 cut of line is quite sane.Aug 17 13:57
gnufreexMinceR: You don't need old C library to keep comaptibily. There are separete libraries that can plug and help you run old games.Aug 17 13:58
oiaohmIts things like the old gnu mailbox support and other evils that were added to glibc that really did not own there.Aug 17 13:58
oiaohmWe are talking desktop not games.Aug 17 13:58
MinceRgnufreex: what libraries can replace libc for them?Aug 17 13:58
oiaohmOr server not games.Aug 17 13:58
MinceRoiaohm: games often run on desktopAug 17 13:58
oiaohmI mean productive desktop applications MinceRAug 17 13:59
gnufreexFor example, OpenSSH guys were pissed when strcut() didn't get into libc, but they supplied their own libraryAug 17 13:59
MinceRpftAug 17 13:59
MinceRproductivity is overrated. ;)Aug 17 13:59
MinceRgnufreex: that won't help old binariesAug 17 13:59
oiaohmReally I would love to get a replacemen to ld.so working.Aug 17 13:59
gnufreexI don't know if someone works on the problem, but it doable MinceRAug 17 14:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 17/8/2010: Multitouch Linux, X.Org Gesture Extension, Texas Memory Joins Linux Foundation http://ur1.ca/15wt9 #techrightsAug 17 14:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] participated in discussion under Slashdot story "why software patents are a joke, literally" http://bit.ly/987vqY #swpat #patentAug 17 14:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Ray Kurzweil does not understand the brain - http://bit.ly/auIhld fine take-down #brain #kurzweil #genomicsAug 17 14:18
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gnufreexWhy are guys at swpat even quoting de Icaza? His post is Microsoft advertising nothing more.Aug 17 14:24
gnufreexHas no facts.Aug 17 14:24
gnufreexHe missed the boat completelyAug 17 14:24
gnufreexHe claims that Java patent grant apply only on full Java implementationsAug 17 14:25
gnufreexThat is not corect. Aug 17 14:25
schestowitzgnufreex: it's good to link thoughAug 17 14:25
schestowitzIt shows what he isAug 17 14:25
schestowitzMeans of exposing himAug 17 14:25
schestowitzOr motivesAug 17 14:25
gnufreexYes, but shouldn't the swpat be good guys? I mean, they are FSF backed... and they claim de Icaza post is interesitingAug 17 14:27
gnufreexIt is not, he is mixing frogs and grandmothersAug 17 14:27
gnufreexGPL patent grant and one that Sun gave for "full implementations" apply to different things. Aug 17 14:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Privacy challenges facing the European Union from ACTA - http://bit.ly/cCNwRx another reason to worry about #acta #privacyAug 17 14:28
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gnufreexGPL patent grand doesn't apply on dalvik because it's not GPLAug 17 14:28
gnufreexIt is stuck with otheor one, which discriminates against Mobile spaceAug 17 14:29
gnufreexOpenJDK has GPL'd grant. Aug 17 14:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] The "Open" Invention Network (OIN) just announced a university partnership for mobile devices, right after failing to protect #Android.Aug 17 14:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Pleco Chinese Dictionary Camera Recognizer Demo - http://bit.ly/dyltSk gobsmacking: point mobile phone at Chinese character, get translationAug 17 14:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] (last link via @sinosplice)Aug 17 14:37
gnufreexschestowitz: swpat says: One lesson to be drawn, as suggested by Miguel de Icaza,[8] is that people should move to Mono and C# because Microsoft's patent terms are better than Oracle'sAug 17 14:41
gnufreexThey are fuckin' agreeing with him!!Aug 17 14:41
MinceRfoolsAug 17 14:42
MinceRthose terms aren't better (oracle at least offers an actual patent license)Aug 17 14:42
MinceRand even if they were, neither are acceptableAug 17 14:43
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jasonbad news guysAug 17 14:43
jasonhttps://edge.launchpad.net/omgAug 17 14:43
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gnufreexMiceR: That is whole point of my debate with you yesterday. OpenJDK is safe and unafected by this. Aug 17 14:44
jasoncanonical is writing mono software nowAug 17 14:44
jasonlook at the sourcesAug 17 14:44
jasonthey use MS Visual Studio solution filesAug 17 14:44
MinceRnice findingAug 17 14:44
jasonand the source code files are in C#Aug 17 14:44
MinceRthey've been pushing mono for a while thoughAug 17 14:44
jasonrightAug 17 14:44
gnufreexMono is not distributed by Microsfot, so GPL doesn't help. Aug 17 14:45
MinceRyet this is new to meAug 17 14:45
jasonbut pushing != coding inAug 17 14:45
gnufreexOpenJDK is distributed by Oracle, so they are bound by GPLAug 17 14:45
jasonnow they are actively coding in monoAug 17 14:45
jasongnufreex: how do you pronounce your name?Aug 17 14:45
jasongnu free x? of gnufreaks?Aug 17 14:46
oiaohmMS-PL does help jasonAug 17 14:46
gnufreexI didn't thougt abou ti, jasonAug 17 14:46
oiaohmLot of sections Microsoft Staff are working on in Mono are changng to MS-PLAug 17 14:46
oiaohmThat give patent grant for that section.Aug 17 14:46
jasongnufreex: lol, ok. just wondering cuz I said your name out loud to myself and thought "uh, gnu freaks!?!?"Aug 17 14:46
MinceRthat's what i thoughtAug 17 14:46
jasonoiaohm: you sound like a typical apologistaAug 17 14:47
oiaohmBut it still makes mono a land mine.Aug 17 14:47
oiaohmI look from a legal point of view jasonAug 17 14:47
gnufreexjason: O was thinking what to use as nick, so I thought GNU/Linux, and Linux was name FeeX Aug 17 14:47
gnufreexfirsAug 17 14:47
gnufreextAug 17 14:47
MinceRi thought it was FreaxAug 17 14:48
oiaohmThere are many java engines that are fully inside sun protection from patent attack.Aug 17 14:48
gnufreexStupid, I know, but I don't feel like changing because it is same on some forumsAug 17 14:48
oiaohmIncluding open source ones.Aug 17 14:48
oiaohmBut google would go and use one that does not.Aug 17 14:48
MinceRoiaohm: and how far can one modify them and still be protected?Aug 17 14:48
MinceRTCK cop-out and shenanigans like that?Aug 17 14:49
oiaohmIf you base of classpath as far as you like.Aug 17 14:49
oiaohmoffAug 17 14:49
oiaohmThat is a GPL licence of course.Aug 17 14:49
jasonon the topic of javaAug 17 14:49
oiaohmAnd has a patent grant with GNU.Aug 17 14:49
oiaohmFrom sun.Aug 17 14:50
jasonI heard Dalvik used bits of Harmony, which I take it is Apache's java implementation?Aug 17 14:50
MinceRoiaohm: is classpath lean enough for mobile devices?Aug 17 14:50
MinceRi suspect the reason for Dalvik was that java was too bloatedAug 17 14:50
jasondoes this mean Harmony isn't safe?Aug 17 14:50
oiaohmCan be made lean enough.Aug 17 14:50
MinceRespecially with their old memory management (possibly still current)Aug 17 14:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ZDNet and IDG 'Open Source' Blogs Use #Oracle for #FUD http://techrights.org/2010/08/17/fud-from-fauxopen-foss-blogs/Aug 17 14:50
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oiaohmHarmony licence is non GPL so does not fall in the GPL protected zone.Aug 17 14:50
jasonbut it has patent protectionAug 17 14:51
jasonin the licenseAug 17 14:51
oiaohmInstead Harmony falls completley in the full implmentation zone.Aug 17 14:51
jasonoh, I see what you are sayingAug 17 14:51
oiaohmIe cut Harmony into a part implementation you are in trouble.Aug 17 14:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Android Shipments To Eclipse 55 Million Units Worldwide In 2010 - http://bit.ly/bxapsN that's 55 million mobiles #Oracle wants destroyedAug 17 14:51
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oiaohmHarmony does not have a requirement that you release your alterations to end users. jasonAug 17 14:52
oiaohmThat is why google went that path.Aug 17 14:52
oiaohmSame with the libc and the rest of android.Aug 17 14:52
jasonbut they do release itAug 17 14:52
gnufreexjason: ASL has patent protection bat that is no good when Oracle never touched Harmony so they are not boundAug 17 14:52
jasonyea, I get thatAug 17 14:53
oiaohmIe so handset  makers could add there own custom alterations.  jasonAug 17 14:53
oiaohmAnd never release them.Aug 17 14:53
jasonI got to get goingAug 17 14:53
oiaohmGoogle basically has walked self out side protection bending to particular interest groups.Aug 17 14:53
jasonbut can you guys point out that canonical are writing mono apps now to schestowitz?Aug 17 14:54
gnufreexAnd patent protection in ASL is weak. Section 3 says that when you sue, you lose patent grants from contributors. That imply that contributor should have patents to countersue. You are hosed if you don't have patents. @ JasonAug 17 14:54
schestowitzHey, jasonAug 17 14:54
jasonheyAug 17 14:54
jasonhow goes?Aug 17 14:54
schestowitzHold on, I'm writing at the momentAug 17 14:54
jasonokAug 17 14:54
jasonI gotta run in like 2 minutesAug 17 14:54
oiaohmcanonical has been building .net applications for a while.Aug 17 14:54
jasonoiaohm: oh, I didn't know thatAug 17 14:55
oiaohmI expect .net to be like fat Aug 17 14:55
jasonthis is the first I'd seen of itAug 17 14:55
oiaohmWe used fat for years then once everyone was depend it on it.Aug 17 14:55
oiaohmMS sued over patents.Aug 17 14:55
gnufreexCanonical is becoming like Novell...Aug 17 14:56
jasonyepAug 17 14:57
gnufreexTheir forums are full of Microsoft shills, and Admin is Mac FanboyAug 17 14:57
oiaohmMost Novell staff that jump ship end up at CanonicalAug 17 14:57
gnufreexAnd he set policy that shills are welcomeAug 17 14:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quote of the Day: “Children Are Often Taught “Computer Skills” That Are Really “Microsoft Windows Skills”” http://ur1.ca/15x7pAug 17 14:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] How HTML5 Will Change your Software Development and Purchasing http://bit.ly/a8vT5C Interesting info about the business case 4 #HTML5Aug 17 14:57
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jasonit's really disappointingAug 17 14:58
jasonI used to have such high hopes for canonical/ubuntuAug 17 14:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @glynmoody Oracle destroying 55 million Androids != green IT ;-) Let's call Greenpeace! :-)Aug 17 14:58
oiaohmReally I did not have much hope for them once I found out who there founding members were.  jasonAug 17 14:59
oiaohmThere were some of the worst debian maintainers.Aug 17 14:59
jasonoh?Aug 17 14:59
gnufreexhttp://www.linsux.org/forum/Aug 17 14:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] What License Management Can Do for Your IT Shop by @lynngr http://is.gd/elGu9 #cioAug 17 14:59
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gnufreexThose guys are all on ubuntu forumsAug 17 14:59
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gnufreexAnd Kiwinz (the admin) is supporting them and saying they are welcomeAug 17 15:00
oiaohmYep Linsux is decated to bringing Linux down.Aug 17 15:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] What NASA’s #CIO Has Learned About Managing Change, by @bakercom1 http://ow.ly/2qpZQAug 17 15:00
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gnufreexEveryone who talks agains Linusux get infraction on UFAug 17 15:01
jasonwhy?Aug 17 15:01
gnufreexKiwinz likes them and think they are rightAug 17 15:01
gnufreexHe thinks "Linux sucks"Aug 17 15:01
gnufreexHe is an idiot.Aug 17 15:02
jasonit's sad that these people get positions of powerAug 17 15:02
oiaohmRemember Ubuntu started because they though Debian suxed.Aug 17 15:02
jasonhas anyone tried to point this out to mark shuttleworth or anything?Aug 17 15:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Broadband Regulations: Ways Federal Changes are likely to Impact IT by @bakercom1 http://ow.ly/2qqeIAug 17 15:02
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oiaohmMark Shuttleworth is some of the problem.Aug 17 15:03
jasonohAug 17 15:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Will The NAB Agree To A Performance Rights Tax In Exchange For Having RIAA Support Mandatory FM Radio In Mobile Phones? http://dlvr.it/3vcCRAug 17 15:03
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gnufreexjason: I thougt about it, but then I saw resemlence between Shuttleworts reasoning and the Linsux guys. And then decided it is pointless. Aug 17 15:03
oiaohmHe pushed the idea the sooner unstable features were provided to end users the sooner they would stablies.Aug 17 15:04
oiaohmSo leading to the unstable mess Ubuntu is jasonAug 17 15:04
jasonyea, that is badAug 17 15:04
jasonI didn't know thatAug 17 15:04
jasonhaven't studied up on that muchAug 17 15:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] How to Use Network Printers To Optimize Department Workflows http://ow.ly/2qqG9 Me: Good intro to the basics. Wish I'd written.Aug 17 15:04
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oiaohmAlso Mark is too much business.Aug 17 15:05
oiaohmSo does not push for people to upstream as much as they should either jasonAug 17 15:05
oiaohmUbuntu is still young  in that way.Aug 17 15:05
jasonwhat distro do you guys use?Aug 17 15:05
jasonfedora?Aug 17 15:05
oiaohmDebian with openvz running others.Aug 17 15:05
jason(I'm using fedora atm)Aug 17 15:05
oiaohmI am hoping one day to be able to run X11 inside openvz properly.Aug 17 15:06
jasonok, I am really gonna be late if I don't leave nowAug 17 15:06
jasonsorry guys, but I gotta runAug 17 15:06
oiaohmSo i can basically have like 5 to 6 distrobutions side by sideAug 17 15:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Cash and Community: Incentives and Open Source Development by @jzb http://ow.ly/2qoYu #foss #gsoc #bountyAug 17 15:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Working With Open Source Project Teams To Fix Software Problems http://is.gd/elH2IAug 17 15:08
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gnufreexoiaohm: You can run KVMAug 17 15:09
oiaohmopenvz share the 1 kernel.  gnufreexAug 17 15:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @jwildeboer don't put ideas in their heads...Aug 17 15:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Windows Server as a Service: Bigger Clouds for Bigger Customers by Scott Fulton http://ow.ly/2qrgbAug 17 15:09
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gnufreexI know... Aug 17 15:09
oiaohmIts a lot more resource effective than KVM.Aug 17 15:10
oiaohmAnd a lot more tollerent to cross calling applications.Aug 17 15:10
gnufreexI laugh when Sunshiners advertise Zones for feature Linux doesn't haveAug 17 15:10
gnufreexThey never heard about OpenVZAug 17 15:10
oiaohmUse to be the case.Aug 17 15:10
oiaohmAt some point I have to start moving off of OpenVZAug 17 15:10
oiaohmAnd more onto using cgroups gnufreexAug 17 15:11
oiaohmcgroups and zones are fairly closed in what they can do.Aug 17 15:11
oiaohmOnly extra zones really has is branded zones allowing non natitave binaries to run.Aug 17 15:12
gnufreexI know, but Sun fanbois were advertising Zones/containers, like best thing since slice breadAug 17 15:12
oiaohmReally they are gnufreexAug 17 15:12
oiaohmIf they are applied right.Aug 17 15:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Wired Declares The Web Is Dead - http://tcrn.ch/967G7R er, no, it's just much more *efficient*, so traffic is far less #dohAug 17 15:12
gnufreexOne thing good about Oracle is that they will now shut upAug 17 15:12
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oiaohmcgroup is linux form of containers.Aug 17 15:13
oiaohmsystemd from fedora moves correct use of cgroups into service control.Aug 17 15:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Demand Media's Bad Week http://is.gd/elHsI Couldn't happen to a nicer 'publisher.'Aug 17 15:13
gnufreexoiaohm: I know it can very useful, but they claim that Linux doesn't have anything similarAug 17 15:13
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gnufreexIt has OpenVZ and CgroupsAug 17 15:13
oiaohmOpenVZ will cease to exist at some point.Aug 17 15:14
gnufreexThey advertise Zones as selling point for SolarisAug 17 15:14
oiaohmSame with Linuxvirtualserver another container like thing.Aug 17 15:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] Canadian Library Assoc releases detailed comments on C-32. Says digital lock rules "fundamentally flawed". http://bit.ly/cFtW3lAug 17 15:14
gnufreexoiaohm: Didn't know that, why? Aug 17 15:14
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oiaohmAll the tech of those is being slowly merged into cgroupsAug 17 15:14
oiaohmThat is mainline kernel.Aug 17 15:15
gnufreexWell, it won't die. Aug 17 15:15
gnufreexYou scared me.Aug 17 15:15
oiaohmThe projects will cease to exist.Aug 17 15:15
gnufreexI almost thought you are talking about new patent shitstormAug 17 15:16
gnufreexProjects come and go. Aug 17 15:16
gnufreexLinux will still have that funcionality. Aug 17 15:16
oiaohmLot of projects have ceased to exist.Aug 17 15:17
oiaohmAs the main Linux kernel has taken up there features.Aug 17 15:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Another reason to avoid #flash - http://is.gd/elHGJ #privacy #failAug 17 15:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s ‘Android Tax’ Shows Why Mono Should be Treated as Threat http://ur1.ca/15xda #swpats #androidAug 17 15:17
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gnufreexI am testing Hurd in Virtual Box right now. Aug 17 15:18
gnufreex:-)Aug 17 15:18
oiaohmLinux kernel internal designs are coming really interesting.Aug 17 15:19
oiaohmOn the numbers of drivers now that can be done userspace.Aug 17 15:19
gnufreexHurd guys are working to port DDE to hurd. That means it can use Linux and FreeBSD drivers in user-spaceAug 17 15:20
oiaohmIntrestingAug 17 15:21
oiaohmwonder if that can be used back on Linux.Aug 17 15:21
gnufreexDDE is developed by Dresden University, of their DROPS operating systemAug 17 15:21
oiaohmwith the fuse driver interfaceAug 17 15:21
gnufreexWhich is based on L4Aug 17 15:21
oiaohmTo allow Linux to backport drivers.Aug 17 15:21
MinceRthat would be awesome, but can all drivers actually work from userspace?Aug 17 15:21
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oiaohmReally lot can MinceRAug 17 15:22
gnufreexThey work un user-space  on DROPS @MinceRAug 17 15:22
oiaohmbuse can make any form of block device.Aug 17 15:22
oiaohmcuse can make any form of char device.Aug 17 15:22
oiaohmSo that is most things.Aug 17 15:22
oiaohmAll firewaller filtering can be done in Linux userspace or kernelspace.Aug 17 15:23
MinceRwill the nvidia binary blob work, for example?Aug 17 15:24
oiaohmLittle hardAug 17 15:24
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Ray Kurzweil does not understand the brain http://twurl.nl/xlm3jqAug 17 15:24
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oiaohmthinking the core of the nvidia binary blob is almost the windows driver MinceRAug 17 15:24
oiaohmThat is not designed to play nicely in userspace.Aug 17 15:24
MinceRindeedAug 17 15:24
MinceRdrivers usually run in kernespaceAug 17 15:25
MinceRthat's why i'm asking :)Aug 17 15:25
oiaohmBiggest reason why so many drivers were stuck in kernel space was the use of the Big kernel lock.Aug 17 15:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Oracle vs. Google over Java http://is.gd/ekzqD Experts agree: #Oracle vs. #Google spells trouble for all #Java development.Aug 17 15:25
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oiaohmWhen the lock clean up is complete more drivers will be able to be altered for userspace without much of a issue.Aug 17 15:26
oiaohmBut userspace drivers do run a little slower.  MinceRAug 17 15:26
MinceRthat's no problemAug 17 15:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Ubuntu Linux to go multi-touch http://bit.ly/csbuNo Touch isn't just for smartphone says Shuttleworth. #Linux #UbuntuAug 17 15:26
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MinceRthe idea of the microkernel is that we sacrifice a little performance for stability and securityAug 17 15:27
oiaohmTo a point MinceRAug 17 15:27
oiaohmFor some devices the lag caused by user space is distruptive.Aug 17 15:27
gnufreexI am thinking something as I wrestle with Hurd. RMS is great at making political decisions and it is almost always right with those. Only mistakes he made are about technical decisions. One of those is to base Hurd on CMU Mach. He chose technicaly sexy (at that time) Mach, over TRIX which would be good enough. So it is irronic that people claim that Stallman is not pragmatic enough. One time when he was in "technology over politics" mode, disasterAug 17 15:27
gnufreex happened. So hail to politics. Aug 17 15:27
MinceRoiaohm: what devices? perhaps they need to be reengineered.Aug 17 15:28
oiaohmNo Hurd failure was simplely not ready on time.Aug 17 15:28
FurnaceBoyit wasn't choosing a microkernel architecture that killed hurdAug 17 15:28
MinceRhurd isn't deadAug 17 15:28
FurnaceBoythat too :)Aug 17 15:28
FurnaceBoy'made it, uh, late'Aug 17 15:28
oiaohmEven today Hurd is lacking large numbers of drivers.Aug 17 15:29
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: It it not problem with Microkernel architecture, it is problem with crappy Mach. Aug 17 15:29
oiaohmCatching up is insanely hard.Aug 17 15:29
FurnaceBoygnufreex: yet Mach did not impede NEXTSTEP or OS XAug 17 15:29
oiaohmHurd issue was that it would not crash.Aug 17 15:29
MinceRosx couldn't be impeded since it was crap through and throughAug 17 15:29
oiaohmThere comes a point were it sane to crash.Aug 17 15:29
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: right, as put forward by TanenbaumAug 17 15:29
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: Those are single-server sysytemsAug 17 15:29
gnufreexHurd is multy serverAug 17 15:29
gnufreexHurd is real microkernel system. Aug 17 15:30
gnufreexNext and OSX are hybridAug 17 15:30
FurnaceBoyi suspect the issues with hurd delivery are more prosaic, less technical. not enough resources and interestAug 17 15:30
oiaohmLinux started pure monoliithicAug 17 15:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @stickster: @giallu @jwildeboer #Canonical says slots protocol is in upstream kernel, and they're collaborating on XInput -- commendable.Aug 17 15:30
oiaohmAnd is going more hybrid and micro with age.Aug 17 15:30
FurnaceBoyfairly predictably :)Aug 17 15:31
oiaohmMonolithic has the advantage something screws up it dies.Aug 17 15:31
oiaohmSo is simpler to debug.Aug 17 15:31
MinceRthat's usually not an advantageAug 17 15:31
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: Digital Equipment Corp. tried to make multiserver on Mach. They gave up and made single-server.Aug 17 15:31
MinceRusually you don't want your kernel to dieAug 17 15:31
oiaohmHurd biggest issue even today is it can be a complete ass hole to debug.Aug 17 15:31
oiaohmdue to self healing.Aug 17 15:31
MinceRor systemAug 17 15:31
gnufreexThat's Tru64Aug 17 15:31
*FurnaceBoy owns a copyAug 17 15:31
oiaohmNot if it self heals into a crash loop MinceRAug 17 15:31
MinceRoiaohm: doesn't it have an option to disable self-healing?Aug 17 15:31
oiaohmIe something dies Hurd auto restarts it.Aug 17 15:32
oiaohmAs prime nature.Aug 17 15:32
FurnaceBoygnufreex: iirc tru64 was collaborative, incl HP ?Aug 17 15:32
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: Yeah, OSFAug 17 15:32
*FurnaceBoy owns OSF/1 tooAug 17 15:33
oiaohmOnly after Linux took off did they introduce a switch into HURD to say don't restart stuff die.  MinceRAug 17 15:33
MinceRi'd have introduced it the first time it kept me from debugging :>Aug 17 15:33
MinceRas for crash loops, it could have a time limitAug 17 15:33
oiaohmThey had the dream they could cure it for good.  MinceRAug 17 15:33
MinceR"if this service dies 20 times in a minute, don't restart it"Aug 17 15:34
MinceRor evenAug 17 15:34
oiaohmIe dream of microkernels don't make the real world.Aug 17 15:34
MinceR"if this service dies 20 times in a minute, don't restart it for another 5 minutes"Aug 17 15:34
oiaohmmonolithic advantage is debuging.Aug 17 15:34
MinceRoiaohm: are you sure that microkernels are a dream?Aug 17 15:34
MinceRthing is, software today is extremely fragile, and we need to fix that.Aug 17 15:34
oiaohmThe dream of microkernels is a OS that can repair it self.Aug 17 15:34
gnufreexoiaohm: QNX and Symbian made real worldAug 17 15:34
MinceRnot only thatAug 17 15:34
oiaohmFrom any failure.Aug 17 15:34
FurnaceBoyit's laid out in TanenbaumAug 17 15:34
MinceRalso that the kernel can be so small it can be scrutinized wellAug 17 15:35
oiaohmEven QNX can fail.Aug 17 15:35
FurnaceBoyat least, a sketch of the ideaAug 17 15:35
MinceRperhaps even mathematically proven to be correctAug 17 15:35
schestowitz[14:59] <gnufreex> Those guys are all on ubuntu forums Aug 17 15:35
oiaohmYes mathematically corect it is.Aug 17 15:35
schestowitzCursing me there and smearing techrightsAug 17 15:35
MinceRand it can keep the rest of the system from certain kinds of failuresAug 17 15:35
MinceRthen build on top of thatAug 17 15:35
oiaohmBut mathematically correct does not help you debug it.   MinceRAug 17 15:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: g'dayAug 17 15:35
MinceRoiaohm: i don't need to debug what i already know to be perfectly working. :>Aug 17 15:35
oiaohmWhat in this world stays perfect MinceRAug 17 15:36
oiaohmAnswer nothing.Aug 17 15:36
oiaohmEverything deterates.Aug 17 15:36
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: hey, Swiss tourist!Aug 17 15:36
gnufreexschestowitz: If you think on Linsux.org, yes. They convinced all UF members that you are full of crap.Aug 17 15:36
MinceRoiaohm: "nobody is perfect but i'm pretty fucking close"Aug 17 15:36
oiaohmIn different ways.Aug 17 15:36
schestowitzgnufreex: I knowAug 17 15:36
MinceRliving tissue doesn't have to deteriorate, it can be fixedAug 17 15:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OMG more Mono in Canonical's launchpad https://edge.launchpad.net/omg #ubuntu #monoAug 17 15:36
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oiaohmIt does deteriorate then it has to be repaired by body.Aug 17 15:36
schestowitz[15:00] <oiaohm> Yep Linsux is decated to bringing Linux down.Aug 17 15:37
oiaohmAnd we do get cancers and the like as well that kill us MinceRAug 17 15:37
schestowitzThey also infected this IRC channelAug 17 15:37
schestowitzWe kickbanned themAug 17 15:37
schestowitzSeveral timesAug 17 15:37
MinceRoiaohm: there are organisms that are immortal and yet don't get cancerAug 17 15:37
FurnaceBoyvery small rocks!Aug 17 15:37
schestowitzSOme days they crapflooded this channel, making like 1.5 MB of logs in one daAug 17 15:37
schestowitz*dyaAug 17 15:37
schestowitz*dayAug 17 15:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: are you sure it wasn't DaemonFC?Aug 17 15:38
schestowitz[15:01] <gnufreex> Kiwinz likes them and think they are rightAug 17 15:38
schestowitzWho's that?Aug 17 15:38
oiaohmYes but we don't have tripple dna strands with correction prottens to protect against errors.  MinceRAug 17 15:38
gnufreexThe Ubunt forumn adminAug 17 15:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: what happens if you connect yuhong and DaemonFC with a tube, as in the movie "Brazil"?Aug 17 15:38
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: him tooAug 17 15:38
oiaohmNeither do most computer hardware MinceRAug 17 15:38
schestowitzHe's "independent" :-)Aug 17 15:38
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: we do have error protectionsAug 17 15:38
MinceRoiaohm: we don't have it....yet. ;)Aug 17 15:38
oiaohmNot to the level that will beat all problems.  FurnaceBoyAug 17 15:39
gnufreexschestowitz: He is Apple fanboy and shareholderAug 17 15:39
schestowitzThey also troll identica nowAug 17 15:39
schestowitzCursing me thereAug 17 15:39
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: right, more like ECC than ZFS.Aug 17 15:39
gnufreexThat much I knowAug 17 15:39
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: (the latter using cryptographic hash and self healing)Aug 17 15:39
schestowitzAll Linux sites need to identify members of that anti-Linux sitesAug 17 15:39
oiaohmThe one lot of batteria that lives off radioactive matterial the hotter the better FurnaceBoyAug 17 15:39
schestowitzThey gang up and pro-Linux places and trollAug 17 15:39
schestowitzCOLA, Digg, etc.Aug 17 15:39
MinceR/.Aug 17 15:39
schestowitzMutex was dabbling in their stuffAug 17 15:39
oiaohmThat batteria dna basically cannot be mutated.Aug 17 15:39
oiaohmNo matter what.Aug 17 15:40
oiaohmIts also a tripple dna not a double.Aug 17 15:40
oiaohmHighly rare item by the way tripple helixAug 17 15:40
MinceRradioactivity is not the only cause of mutationsAug 17 15:40
MinceRyes, for a long time i thought it didn't even existAug 17 15:40
oiaohmSo it compares between 3 strands not 2Aug 17 15:40
MinceRthen i read about it somewhere on WPAug 17 15:40
gnufreexschestowitz: I pointed Kiwinz to you on coments one day, he is from New Zealand. He is ex CIO... he said that. Aug 17 15:41
oiaohmReason why it so resistant to errors.Aug 17 15:41
oiaohmtwo stands would have to get damaged at the same time to do anything to it.Aug 17 15:41
oiaohmIn the same spot.Aug 17 15:41
schestowitzWhoa. sjvn became some kind of pimp for that Dell siteAug 17 15:41
schestowitzLike 10 links to it in 1 hoursAug 17 15:41
schestowitz*hourAug 17 15:41
oiaohmOur computer hardware is not that good.   Aug 17 15:41
oiaohmSpace hardware trys to be.Aug 17 15:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @FakeAPStylebook: Use “-ass” to intensify an adjective: a weak-ass excuse, a big-ass truck, a Pinteresque-ass play.Aug 17 15:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2010/08/17/ Or, why no company has ever downsized itself to greatness.Aug 17 15:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @sjvn what's with the flood of content.dell.com links?Aug 17 15:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @schestowitz Just a bunch of good stories by some friends.Aug 17 15:48
schestowitz[15:38] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: what happens if you connect yuhong and DaemonFC with a tube, as in the movie "Brazil"?Aug 17 15:54
schestowitzThe troll turns to hydraAug 17 15:54
schestowitz[15:39] <gnufreex> schestowitz: He is Apple fanboy and shareholderAug 17 15:54
schestowitzSo is his boss, I think (Mac Asay)Aug 17 15:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i was hoping for an earth-shattering ka-boomAug 17 15:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I think we can call this the "Arianna defence": "Just a bunch of good stories by some friends."Aug 17 15:55
gnufreexHaha... Mac Asay. Aug 17 15:55
schestowitzgnufreex: computer incompetence officer (CIO)Aug 17 15:55
schestowitzIn his house :-)Aug 17 15:55
schestowitz"I'm the CEO and CIO in this house!"Aug 17 15:56
gnufreexShuttlewroth is idiot to hire those idiotsAug 17 15:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Surely you should concede that a woman is not among the top four contenders based on merit." http://is.gd/elKeZAug 17 15:56
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gnufreexMost people involved in Ubuntu are ignorant clueless moronsAug 17 15:57
gnufreexThat is why Linsux propaganda worksAug 17 15:57
MinceRand that's why ubuntu is going where it's goingAug 17 15:57
gnufreexThey know nothing, so they accept first thing that remotely looks  like have some senseAug 17 15:57
gnufreexAnd Linsux guys are persuasive Aug 17 15:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @sjvn @jzb Well, #mobile #COBOL would avoid any possible #Java headaches from #Oracle... // don't bet on it :)Aug 17 15:58
gnufreexThey are probably paid and trained to talk with that kind of idiotsAug 17 15:58
schestowitz[15:55] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: I think we can call this the "Arianna defence": "Just a bunch of good stories by some friends."Aug 17 15:59
schestowitzDell are "friends" of SJVNAug 17 15:59
schestowitz:-)Aug 17 15:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: rightAug 17 15:59
schestowitzFair enough anywayAug 17 15:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I started writing out Arianna's defence of Gates, but it's too depressing.Aug 17 15:59
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schestowitzI just didn't understand why Windows content all from same domain. He usually does Linux.Aug 17 15:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: hard questions for Gates: GMO; aspartame; and a zillion othersAug 17 16:00
schestowitzDana Blankenhorn plated ball for him todayAug 17 16:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: usually a symptom of the brain slugAug 17 16:01
schestowitzFUD: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/oracle-aims-to-destroy-open-source-software-industry/7172Aug 17 16:02
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schestowitzWatch this: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/healthcare/alzheimers-and-open-source-medicine/3929?tag=mantle_skin;contentAug 17 16:02
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schestowitzNot that BillG has anything to do with AlzheimerAug 17 16:03
schestowitzJust free advertisng for the self-advertising 'saint'Aug 17 16:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Charlie Brooker gives writers the only advice they need: get a deadline. http://is.gd/elKxB If you don't have a deadline, it's just typing.Aug 17 16:03
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/07/06/lobbying-agenda-setting-gf/Aug 17 16:04
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I'm trying to find one quote though.. http://techrights.org/2010/01/23/gates-subverts-politics-and-huffington/Aug 17 16:07
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schestowitzNot quite there yetAug 17 16:07
schestowitzSomething about Gates on "if I had 2 cents left, I would spend one on PR"Aug 17 16:07
FurnaceBoywowAug 17 16:07
schestowitzI can't find it nowAug 17 16:07
FurnaceBoysays it allAug 17 16:07
schestowitzWell, it's somewhere..Aug 17 16:07
FurnaceBoyhis prophet complex shall undo himAug 17 16:07
schestowitzI lost track. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_CritiqueAug 17 16:07
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FurnaceBoyThe Road Ahead... *giggle*Aug 17 16:08
schestowitzIt's in one of the posts about him paying for those blogs/PR and hiring legions of PR http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_CritiqueAug 17 16:08
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schestowitzRoadkill aheadAug 17 16:08
schestowitz“I think he [Bill Gates] has a Napoleonic concept of himself and his company, an arrogance that derives from power and unalloyed success, with no leavening hard experience, no reverses [...] They don’t act like grown-ups!” -Judge Thomas Penfield JacksonAug 17 16:08
FurnaceBoyyes.Aug 17 16:09
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: furthermore, all this is going on in a culture that actively rejects the concept of a superego.Aug 17 16:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Why The Oracle Java Patents Were Literally A Joke Played By Sun Engineers http://dlvr.it/3vk9rAug 17 16:10
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gnufreexschestowitz: Bill Gates shown that crime pays off, so Ellison decided to join. Aug 17 16:17
gnufreexhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssX4RL24HT4Aug 17 16:17
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gnufreexThat is what Elison thougt first...Aug 17 16:17
gnufreexHell... Aug 17 16:17
gnufreexSomeone ruined the videoAug 17 16:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Will ORCL now start sueing all of these fine companies http://is.gd/elLCZ by using this patent http://is.gd/elLEZ ? <sarcasm>Aug 17 16:17
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gnufreexI can't beleive... it was good video, someone ruined sound. Aug 17 16:19
schestowitzgnufreex: he wants to be like BillGAug 17 16:20
schestowitzhe also donated to hospitalsAug 17 16:20
schestowitzThen there's JobsAug 17 16:20
schestowitzCOntrol freak alsoAug 17 16:20
schestowitzSun's ponytail was niceAug 17 16:20
schestowitzWore tshirtsAug 17 16:20
schestowitzOpened Sun up radicallyAug 17 16:20
gnufreexSo Larry decided to gut Sun so he can say open source ruins companies. Aug 17 16:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Schwartz was fundamentally a clueful, helpful guy, not a sociopath like Gates and EllisonAug 17 16:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why Intellectual Property Rights in Traditional Knowledge Cannot Contribute to Sustainable Development - http://bit.ly/czjAX1 would do harmAug 17 16:22
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: sometimes it happens :)Aug 17 16:22
FurnaceBoygnufreex: i don't think it's as simple as that.Aug 17 16:23
FurnaceBoygnufreex: there is a good quote by Larry on open sourecAug 17 16:23
gnufreexHe wants to exploit itAug 17 16:23
FurnaceBoygnufreex: lemme see if i can find itAug 17 16:23
FurnaceBoyyesAug 17 16:23
FurnaceBoythat's the quote :)Aug 17 16:23
gnufreexI read.Aug 17 16:23
FurnaceBoyit's quite accurate, i thinkAug 17 16:23
gnufreexFTAug 17 16:23
gnufreexfinancial timesAug 17 16:23
MinceRFastTrackerAug 17 16:23
FurnaceBoyit's a paragraphAug 17 16:23
gnufreexOr thatAug 17 16:23
FurnaceBoyi hope they didn't edit out too much :)Aug 17 16:24
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/08/17/oracle-scepticism-from-phipps/Aug 17 16:25
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gnufreexI think he changed his idea on open source Aug 17 16:26
gnufreexNow that he has SolarisAug 17 16:26
schestowitzClosed sourceAug 17 16:26
schestowitzOr proprietary ratherAug 17 16:26
schestowitznonfreeAug 17 16:26
gnufreexI was thinking. Google could gut Solaris with some movesAug 17 16:26
gnufreex1Aug 17 16:26
gnufreex1Aug 17 16:26
schestowitzBerkeleyDB...Aug 17 16:27
schestowitzInnoDB...Aug 17 16:27
gnufreex1. Contribute more of their souce to mainline (google has some nice stuff)Aug 17 16:27
gnufreex2. Buy Novell, and use network patents to disconect SolarisAug 17 16:27
gnufreex3. Partner with Red Hat and give them some of Big TableAug 17 16:27
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gnufreex4. Solaris is deadAug 17 16:28
gnufreex5. then disconect Oracle DBAug 17 16:28
gnufreexOracle is deadAug 17 16:28
gnufreexGoogle could kill Oralce if they want it enough.Aug 17 16:29
FurnaceBoy...Aug 17 16:29
*FurnaceBoy remains scepticalAug 17 16:30
FurnaceBoythey're not in the same markets, sirAug 17 16:30
schestowitzTrueAug 17 16:30
FurnaceBoyin fact, Google *already* killed Oracle in many markets, by leaping a paradigm aheadAug 17 16:30
schestowitzMaybe Ellison will be rushed into a hospitalAug 17 16:30
schestowitzLike his mate SteveAug 17 16:30
FurnaceBoyGoogle's hardware system already obsolete's SUn's hardware modelAug 17 16:30
schestowitzAnd the the stock will diveAug 17 16:30
schestowitzAnd he'll sign a submissive deal with GoogleAug 17 16:31
gnufreexI know they are not in same markets. But Google has BigTable, screw Oracle, screw SQLAug 17 16:31
schestowitzWHich includes Chrome on all servers with Oracle DBsAug 17 16:31
FurnaceBoygnufreex: no, really, it's a different market entirely.Aug 17 16:31
FurnaceBoygnufreex: you can't make BigTable (which already has open source versions) replace SQLAug 17 16:31
schestowitzGoogle has MapReduce patentAug 17 16:31
schestowitzWith 'promise' to open source (not to sue)Aug 17 16:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "good luck with that"Aug 17 16:31
gnufreexI know it different market, but in the long term SQL is going to decline if BigTable takes off. Aug 17 16:32
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/05/03/google-calls-the-shots/Aug 17 16:32
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FurnaceBoygnufreex: not really, no.Aug 17 16:32
schestowitzI wrote about it thereAug 17 16:32
FurnaceBoygnufreex: look at , e.g., VoltDBAug 17 16:32
gnufreexThey overlap a bit. more than enough.Aug 17 16:32
FurnaceBoygnufreex: NoSQL does not replace SQL.Aug 17 16:32
gnufreexIt is posible to make hybrid. Aug 17 16:32
FurnaceBoygnufreex: and we haven't seen the new generation of SQL dbAug 17 16:32
FurnaceBoygnufreex: VoltDB is just a sign of things to comeAug 17 16:32
schestowitzWaltDB :-)Aug 17 16:33
FurnaceBoygnufreex: in any case, Oracle's a dinosaur. their answer to every competitor is 'buy it', just like MSAug 17 16:33
FurnaceBoygnufreex: not sustainable, when the river of gold starts to falter.Aug 17 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] New blog post: Oracle's next target: Power switches #notkidding #irony http://ur1.ca/15xyrAug 17 16:33
gnufreexYes, it doesn't replace, but SQL is only choioce right now. When you add more choices, Oralce will not be so atractiveAug 17 16:33
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FurnaceBoygnufreex: right, but the core market remains RDBMSAug 17 16:34
FurnaceBoygnufreex: that's where they're focusingAug 17 16:34
gnufreexIt can't _kill_ it. But it is same as MySQLAug 17 16:34
FurnaceBoygnufreex: still leaves them with the dinosaur problemAug 17 16:34
gnufreexExsistence of MySQL somwhat devalues OracleDBAug 17 16:34
FurnaceBoygnufreex: change will nibble at their toes, legs, ... just like MicrosoftAug 17 16:34
FurnaceBoygnufreex: of course it doesAug 17 16:34
FurnaceBoygnufreex: at the bottom endAug 17 16:34
FurnaceBoygnufreex: they seem to be positioning themselves to keep the high end and forgetting about evrything else. which bodes poorly for mysql, but most of the engineers jumped ship long ago Aug 17 16:35
FurnaceBoygnufreex: in reality MySQL is also obsoleteAug 17 16:35
FurnaceBoygnufreex: just damned useful.Aug 17 16:35
FurnaceBoygnufreex: anyway i think the factor here, is that application base and skill base ties Oracle (and everyone else) into SQL for a whileAug 17 16:36
FurnaceBoygnufreex: but, there will be increasing nibbling from products which Oracle core and MySQL cannot compete with -- like VOltDB, Cassandra, BigTable, HBase etcAug 17 16:36
gnufreexThat is what I am talking about. Aug 17 16:37
FurnaceBoygnufreex: and an increasing number of apps which are born outside RDBMS spaceAug 17 16:37
FurnaceBoyyesAug 17 16:37
FurnaceBoybut it will take time Aug 17 16:37
FurnaceBoyin the meantime, oracle apparently plans to focus on the 'rest'Aug 17 16:37
gnufreexIt takes time for those to overtakeAug 17 16:37
FurnaceBoywhich will be slowest to migrateAug 17 16:37
FurnaceBoyFUD is part of this campaignAug 17 16:37
FurnaceBoyto delay the demise of the dinosaurAug 17 16:37
FurnaceBoyFUD to corporatesAug 17 16:37
gnufreexBut it can stun Oracle's growthAug 17 16:38
FurnaceBoyit's microsoft all over again, reallyAug 17 16:38
FurnaceBoygnufreex: yes! very much soAug 17 16:38
FurnaceBoygnufreex: it's a distortion of everythingAug 17 16:38
FurnaceBoygnufreex: customers loseAug 17 16:38
FurnaceBoygnufreex: it's the Microsoft templateAug 17 16:38
FurnaceBoygnufreex: milk the market as hard as you can for as long as you can, FUDding if that's what it takesAug 17 16:38
FurnaceBoygnufreex: MS vs Linux, exact same strategyAug 17 16:39
FurnaceBoythey know long term they can't winAug 17 16:39
FurnaceBoygnufreex: just keep piling the cash as long as you can.. bribe, stack panels, lieAug 17 16:39
FurnaceBoyso, from a stratgy point of view, it makes sense to abandon the  'lost markets'Aug 17 16:40
FurnaceBoylow, middleAug 17 16:40
FurnaceBoysince they're more free to use newer, free tech, if not moved already; too costly to try and keep or convert themAug 17 16:40
FurnaceBoye.g. AmazonAug 17 16:40
gnufreexSo, my idea: Google buys Novell and disconects Solaris. What do you think aobut that ? Contersuit. Aug 17 16:40
FurnaceBoyand, of course, google, who epitomise the post-oracle data warehouseAug 17 16:41
gnufreexNovell has network patents thats Solaris infingeAug 17 16:41
FurnaceBoyi tihnk there's much more at stake for oracle than google.Aug 17 16:41
FurnaceBoygoogle's core business isn't at the mercy of anyone's patentsAug 17 16:41
gnufreexExactly. So they gut Oracle to show that nobody should mess with them.Aug 17 16:42
FurnaceBoylet's hope so.Aug 17 16:42
FurnaceBoybut i don't think it will be so easy.Aug 17 16:42
FurnaceBoy*koff* SCO *koff*Aug 17 16:42
FurnaceBoythis is FUDAug 17 16:42
FurnaceBoyFUD sticks like phosphorus Aug 17 16:42
FurnaceBoycould take years to clean this mess up legallyAug 17 16:43
FurnaceBoywhich is perfect for OracleAug 17 16:43
FurnaceBoyall they want is FUD and delay while they milk their remaining customersAug 17 16:43
gnufreexI know, that is why I am saying tha Java is not in danger. Free world needs Java, it is better and Freer than .NET.Aug 17 16:44
FurnaceBoyI agree, but...Aug 17 16:44
gnufreexRed Hat has big plans with JBossAug 17 16:44
FurnaceBoyOracle are poisoning this wellAug 17 16:44
FurnaceBoythey have no use for open-ness at allAug 17 16:44
FurnaceBoyit's a threatAug 17 16:44
gnufreexThey have no standing against GPL'd Java implementationsAug 17 16:44
gnufreexJust against ApacheAug 17 16:44
FurnaceBoySCO had no standing either, remember.Aug 17 16:45
FurnaceBoyyet they got billions of FUD valueAug 17 16:45
schestowitz"We are not evacuating the planet because of the SCO lawsuit. Really. No need to panic." -- LinusAug 17 16:45
schestowitzOrc Hell takes the axe from SCOAug 17 16:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he should have panicked :)Aug 17 16:45
gnufreexI know, but I think Oracle is not that stupd, they don't wan't .NET to overtake. Aug 17 16:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: at that point he didn't expect it to take six years to endAug 17 16:45
FurnaceBoygnufreex: .NET isn't much use to Oracle's market.Aug 17 16:46
schestowitzMore than 7Aug 17 16:46
FurnaceBoygnufreex: .NET is in the low end that they are abandoningAug 17 16:46
gnufreexIf Microsoft locks down market, Oracle is dead. Aug 17 16:46
FurnaceBoygnufreex: don't forget that the high end market is heavily entrenchedAug 17 16:46
FurnaceBoygnufreex: they're not free to change muchAug 17 16:46
FurnaceBoygnufreex: java/solaris/sun hw running big enterpriseAug 17 16:46
FurnaceBoygnufreex: in that market, oracle is still going to be able to take business from MSAug 17 16:47
FurnaceBoygnufreex: in fact, they may do that better under Oracle than Sun ever didAug 17 16:47
gnufreexMicrosoft can gut them from below. Like they did with SGI, DEC, like they almost did with HP and IBMAug 17 16:47
FurnaceBoygnufreex: that battle has been waged for decades nowAug 17 16:47
FurnaceBoygnufreex: i suppose it could gain something from Oracle's cynicism towards the low and middle, trueAug 17 16:48
gnufreexHP is "Wintel grocery store now" says McNealy and I agree.Aug 17 16:48
FurnaceBoyyeah, HP, Dell, are jokes.Aug 17 16:48
FurnaceBoySun is no joke.Aug 17 16:48
FurnaceBoyor wasn't, until recently :DAug 17 16:48
gnufreexI am saying, Microsoft can use their subsidaries (Dell, HP) to gut oracle from below. If Oracle shits on Java, they are deadAug 17 16:49
FurnaceBoyyeah i agree. oracle should not sh1t where they eat.Aug 17 16:49
FurnaceBoyit's a gamble.Aug 17 16:50
gnufreexYou lost the air war, youd don't get to figt on groundAug 17 16:50
FurnaceBoyit's a pretty sad world atmAug 17 16:50
schestowitzPolitically?Aug 17 16:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that tooAug 17 16:50
schestowitzFinancially, computer-wise......Aug 17 16:51
schestowitzEnvironment...Aug 17 16:51
schestowitzPeak oil around the corner before I dieAug 17 16:51
schestowitzSome time in everyone's lifetime. I reckon there's peak for other resources tooAug 17 16:52
schestowitzANyway, I was interrupting, sorry.......Aug 17 16:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK Directgov Review wants feedback - http://bit.ly/a8pvKP let's give 'em some (via @Mark_Antony) #uk #ogovAug 17 16:52
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gnufreexGoogle is no "pro-patents" Aug 17 16:56
gnufreexI think they could make this as a case against patetns. Countersuing Oralce core bussines would be smart, but they need to buy patents. Aug 17 16:57
gnufreexNovell is up for grabs.Aug 17 16:58
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100815110101756Aug 17 16:59
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schestowitzgnufreex: if someone wants it :-)Aug 17 16:59
schestowitzhttp://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3898791/Shuttleworth-Oracles-Java-Lawsuit-An-Extremely-UnsophisticatedAug 17 17:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux found in Portugal - RHL http://linuxmadeasy.blogspot.com/2010/08/linux-found-in-portugal-rhl.htmlAug 17 17:03
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gnufreexschestowitz: Google need patents to counter sue. It would be best if some Equity fund buy Novell and then Google just buy patents from them. Aug 17 17:03
gnufreexschestowitz: Google owns ON2 which JavaFX uses. That's a start. Aug 17 17:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Israeli ex-soldier says Facebook prisoner pictures just 'souvenirs' - http://bit.ly/bQ87jY of happy times with humiliated prionsersAug 17 17:05
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schestowitzhttp://www.itechnews.net/2010/08/16/axon-haptic-10-inch-tablet-lets-you-choose-between-windows-linux-and-darwin-os/Aug 17 17:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Axon Haptic 10-inch Tablet lets you choose between Windows, Linux and Darwin OS | iTech News Net - Gadget News and Reviews .::. Size~: 35.13 KBAug 17 17:06
schestowitzgnufreex: counter-sue trolls?Aug 17 17:07
*schestowitz giggles at 'souvenirs'Aug 17 17:07
schestowitzThat's why mostly fools join armiesAug 17 17:07
schestowitzOr sado-masochistsAug 17 17:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The BBC have an in house magazine? A private staff only magazine paid for by tax payers then http://bit.ly/cj80FOAug 17 17:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] glad to see this popping up periodically: the best thing that Wired ever published - http://bit.ly/cKK9oc (this time via @Eaterofsun)Aug 17 17:12
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/46112224#notice-46472795 "oh no! well, another reason not to use Ubuntu"Aug 17 17:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How to save the music industry - http://bit.ly/93XEDN well, not by trotting out all the discredited "research" (via @remixtures)Aug 17 17:19
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Map of Worldwide undersea cables http://www.cablemap.info/Aug 17 17:19
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laney_hello?Aug 17 17:19
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gnufreexschestowitz: I meant countersue Oracle. Aug 17 17:23
schestowitzYeahAug 17 17:25
gnufreexschestowitz: Well Oracle is a troll, but they have lots to use. Aug 17 17:31
gnufreex*lose, not use. Aug 17 17:32
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FurnaceBoygnufreex: rite, it's a gamble, but everyone else stands to lose in the FUD blizzard tooAug 17 17:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] My O2 issue has been registered with both Trading Standards and the ASA, OFCOM will be next weekAug 17 17:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Rolling Stone Offers 'A Big Fat Thanks' To The RIAA For Screwing Up Music Online http://dlvr.it/3vt0GAug 17 17:35
TechrightsBotTitle: Rolling Stone Offers 'A Big Fat Thanks' To The RIAA For Screwing Up Music Online | Techdirt .::. Size~: 27.29 KBAug 17 17:35
gnufreexWell, Google is now doing wrong thing. They are claiming that Oracle atacks open source, which playis into Microsoft argument that open source is unstavle and can be bought any second, and you are screwed than. Google should instead sue Oracle's propriatry products Like Solaris, Oracle DB, or JavaFX. @FurnaceBoyAug 17 17:35
gnufreexI am just thinking out loud, and I could be wrongAug 17 17:36
gnufreex*that shoud say unstable.Aug 17 17:36
FurnaceBoygnufreex: you know who else is exploiting that FUD? Matt Asay.Aug 17 17:36
FurnaceBoygnufreex: that's the whole bogus premise of his recent blog post.Aug 17 17:36
FurnaceBoygnufreex: so the FUD war has begun in earnest.Aug 17 17:37
FurnaceBoygnufreex: it's there in black and white, not speculation. This is the hook for all kinds of false rhetoric. Yeah, thanks Google. Nice work.Aug 17 17:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] City of Duisburg uses copyright to block Love Parade documents [de] - http://bit.ly/chQbw8 [uk] - http://bit.ly/dj9TvAAug 17 17:37
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gnufreexI read Asay. He is an idiot. He blogs just because he is adicted.Aug 17 17:37
FurnaceBoygnufreex: he's certainly part of the problem set, to put it politely.Aug 17 17:38
FurnaceBoygnufreex: but you know, sometimes you have to suck **** to keep getting invited to the partaysAug 17 17:38
FurnaceBoygnufreex: ask Arianna ;-) my favourite journalist-iness ladyAug 17 17:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @glynmoody well it worked a treat for the US soldiers at Abu GraebAug 17 17:39
gnufreexAsay had some smart (or not stupid posts)Aug 17 17:40
gnufreexUntil 2008Aug 17 17:40
gnufreexThen he went wackyAug 17 17:40
gnufreexI am not reading him since 2009Aug 17 17:40
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: He let bashing by Microsoft aplogists affect himAug 17 17:41
gnufreexAnd change his tone. Aug 17 17:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @ThistleWeb trueAug 17 17:41
FurnaceBoygnufreex: he changed employersAug 17 17:41
FurnaceBoygnufreex: that's the causeAug 17 17:41
FurnaceBoygnufreex: he has 'malleable' principlesAug 17 17:42
gnufreexHe got into canonical just in 2010Aug 17 17:42
FurnaceBoyyes, but there were earlier movements.Aug 17 17:42
gnufreexBefore was in AlfrescoAug 17 17:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @glynmoody well it worked a treat for the US soldiers at Abu GriebAug 17 17:42
gnufreexAlfresco are anti-GPLAug 17 17:42
gnufreexJust like NOvell beforeAug 17 17:42
FurnaceBoypeople with 'malleable' principles can go further. ask MiguelAug 17 17:42
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: GhraibAug 17 17:43
ThistleWeboh it did come through, it kept shopwing errorsAug 17 17:43
ThistleWebthats why I tried it several timesAug 17 17:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Mustard showed errors on that last one each time, but apparently it went through OK, 3 times.....sorryAug 17 17:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] It did cross my mind if it was being filtered due to keywords, which is why I changed the spelling, unknown errors leave you guessingAug 17 17:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The always wonderful Cezz in Canonical's Marketing dept writes her first blog, it is about Merch http://is.gd/elSnt #ubuntuAug 17 18:05
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gnufreex"One of these days Ubuntu will be another one of those brands to add to the list."Aug 17 18:07
gnufreexSo thats how they will get around Ubuntu promiseAug 17 18:07
gnufreex"Ubuntu" will always be free. Aug 17 18:07
gnufreexBut that doesn't apply yo new brand.Aug 17 18:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Can somebody explain wth #Facebook Engineering logo is all about?! http://bit.ly/9MMVnMAug 17 18:09
schestowitzgnufreex: UbuntuTwo?Aug 17 18:14
gnufreexPurple Hat Enterpise LinuxAug 17 18:15
*FurnaceBoy gigglesAug 17 18:17
*schestowitz just got off the phone with my grandpa...Aug 17 18:17
schestowitzHe spoke to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_May about me. I met her 10 years ago.Aug 17 18:18
TechrightsBotTitle: Theresa May - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 142.06 KBAug 17 18:18
schestowitzAt the time she was just shadow secretary :-0Aug 17 18:18
FurnaceBoyhey, speaking of that, what's happening with McKinnon?Aug 17 18:19
schestowitzFunny you mentione itAug 17 18:20
schestowitzBritish MP want him securedAug 17 18:20
schestowitzUnlike Bliar/BrownAug 17 18:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 17/8/2010: Linux in Portugal, ~55,000,000 Android Phones This Year http://ur1.ca/15yt9 #techrights #androidAug 17 18:20
schestowitzBut...Aug 17 18:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Links 17/8/2010: Linux in Portugal, ~55,000,000 Android Phones This Year | Techrights .::. Size~: 110.68 KBAug 17 18:20
schestowitzGuess who stands in the way?Aug 17 18:20
FurnaceBoypray do tellAug 17 18:21
schestowitzThe PM here asked Obama for helpAug 17 18:21
FurnaceBoyhehAug 17 18:21
FurnaceBoyi was going to say obamaAug 17 18:21
schestowitzObama says there's nothing he can do about itAug 17 18:21
FurnaceBoyyes i think i heard thisAug 17 18:21
schestowitzI posted about it in IRC when I saw itAug 17 18:21
FurnaceBoytime for the brits to grow some balls?Aug 17 18:21
schestowitzYou could just google "obama McKinnon" nowAug 17 18:21
FurnaceBoy"come and get him"Aug 17 18:21
ThistleWebUbunTwo?Aug 17 18:22
FurnaceBoywho knew sovereignty was so usefulAug 17 18:22
FurnaceBoyi bet they miss it nowAug 17 18:22
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/21/mckinnon_cameron_obama_talks/Aug 17 18:22
TechrightsBotTitle: Cameron asks Obama for McKinnon compromise • The Register .::. Size~: 25.6 KBAug 17 18:22
gnufreexThistleWeb: Haha UbunTwoAug 17 18:22
schestowitzUbunutAug 17 18:23
gnufreexWhen Canonical make Purple Hat Enterpise Linux, they will make community version name OpenPandoraAug 17 18:23
gnufreexWith Mono based desktopAug 17 18:23
gnufreexAnd Mono Kernel ModulesAug 17 18:23
ThistleWeblol, purplehead linuxAug 17 18:23
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/17/navy_catobar_pilots/Aug 17 18:24
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 17/8/2010: Linux in Portugal, ~55,000,000 Android Phones This Year http://ur1.ca/15yt9 !techrights #androidAug 17 18:24
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schestowitzgnufreex: what's with the word enterprise?Aug 17 18:24
gnufreexNothing... just the pun to RHEL Aug 17 18:24
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/14/indian_aip_sub_order/Aug 17 18:25
TechrightsBotTitle: India to place $11bn order for AIP hi-tech submarines • The Register .::. Size~: 26.43 KBAug 17 18:25
schestowitzgnufreex: no, can't they just say "outfit"?Aug 17 18:25
schestowitzor "company" instead of big words?Aug 17 18:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Best Buy Threatens Priest Over His God Squad Parody; How Does God Feel About Trademark Law? http://dlvr.it/3vyV8Aug 17 18:25
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schestowitzEnderle and his one-man "enterprise" :-)Aug 17 18:25
gnufreexRed Hat outfit Linux... it sticks...Aug 17 18:26
schestowitzRed Fedora outfit bootsAug 17 18:26
ThistleWebwhen they split, the regular RH was called Red Hat Linux, they needed a way to differentiate their commercial version from the previous oneAug 17 18:27
schestowitzThe word "enterprise" is overused in the FOSS worldAug 17 18:28
schestowitzMicrosoft says businessAug 17 18:28
schestowitzAs in "business edition"Aug 17 18:28
gnufreexI hate when "Open-Core" companies make Enterprise EditionAug 17 18:28
gnufreexWhich is in fact PROPRIATARY GARBAGEAug 17 18:28
schestowitz"PROPRIATARY GARBAGE" is like "BIG ELEPHANT"Aug 17 18:29
schestowitzJust say "proprietary"Aug 17 18:29
gnufreex:-) YeahAug 17 18:29
gnufreexbtw, Roy, did you noticed the guy named Paul Rony. Aug 17 18:30
gnufreexDoes it ring some bells?Aug 17 18:30
gnufreexSplendidCRM...Aug 17 18:30
gnufreexHe goes affter SugarCRM articles and advertises SplendidCRM around internet. He is CEO of that "company". They take SugarCRM and add ASP.NET to it, and advertise it against Sugar. Aug 17 18:32
gnufreexI blasted him on zdnet once. Aug 17 18:32
gnufreexAll watchers of SugarCRM know him. When there is SugarCRM article... in before Paul Rony. Aug 17 18:33
ThistleWebwere they the peeps who spread some fud about drupal because they coulnd't compete with it?Aug 17 18:34
gnufreexI don't know about those. Aug 17 18:35
ThistleWebI might be thinking of something elseAug 17 18:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] When acronym domains collide: "DOC and ODF Fight Fires Together": http://bit.ly/9utDrjAug 17 18:35
TechrightsBotTitle: DOC Public Affairs DOC and ODF Fight Fires Together .::. Size~: 16.08 KBAug 17 18:35
cubevectoris there an easy way to write man pages?Aug 17 18:37
cubevectorit seems rather arcaneAug 17 18:37
schestowitzgnufreex: doesn't ring a bell yetAug 17 18:38
schestowitzSplendid does Mono, no?Aug 17 18:38
gnufreexNo, real .NETAug 17 18:38
schestowitzOh, yeah, beat me to itAug 17 18:38
gnufreexThey don't run on LinuxAug 17 18:38
schestowitzNow I see what you wroteAug 17 18:38
schestowitzI know cause they boost Mono in LinuxToday commentsAug 17 18:38
schestowitzSugarCRM has a new Azune [sic] Fog Computing dealAug 17 18:39
gnufreexJust look some news on SugarCRM and you will see Paul Rony's pro-Microsoft comentAug 17 18:39
schestowitzWhat's his pro' background?Aug 17 18:39
schestowitzWhich company/ies?Aug 17 18:39
gnufreexBut some are fake, people saw what joke he is, so they registere as Paul Roney before him on some sitesAug 17 18:40
schestowitzA lot of Mono/.NET companies are of former Citrix/SAP/MIcrosoft reps./engsAug 17 18:40
gnufreexAnd they now put random crap to discredit himAug 17 18:40
schestowitzPaula Rooney?Aug 17 18:40
schestowitz:-)Aug 17 18:40
gnufreexSAP does .NET?Aug 17 18:40
gnufreexNot PaulaAug 17 18:40
gnufreexPaul Rony.Aug 17 18:40
schestowitzSAP does many thingsAug 17 18:41
schestowitzJava too... lotsAug 17 18:41
gnufreexI know... but .NET?Aug 17 18:41
gnufreexUghAug 17 18:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Universiti Malaysia Perlis (UniMAP) now requires students to use ODF http://bit.ly/cRoKC8Aug 17 18:42
schestowitzgnufreex: I'm not sureAug 17 18:46
gnufreexschestowitz: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/64658Aug 17 18:46
gnufreexFirst coment is fakeAug 17 18:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Extreme CRM Makeover, Open Source Edition - Episode 3, It ain't just for sales people | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 94.54 KBAug 17 18:46
schestowitzI named SAP because people there are close to MicrosoftAug 17 18:46
gnufreexhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/63797Aug 17 18:46
TechrightsBotTitle: SugarCRM CEO Larry Augustin Sets the Record Straight | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 91.99 KBAug 17 18:46
gnufreexThis is realAug 17 18:46
schestowitzSo they inherit similar practicesAug 17 18:46
schestowitzI feel bad for himAug 17 18:46
gnufreexhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/63618Aug 17 18:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Extreme CRM Makeover, Open Source Edition - Episode 2, Sweet is Sugar | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 80.27 KBAug 17 18:47
gnufreexAlso realAug 17 18:47
schestowitzHe's really one of the founding fathers of Linux in the mainstreamAug 17 18:47
schestowitzNow he works for a company in which he gets flack for fauxopen sourcingAug 17 18:47
schestowitzEven though he's just put there as CEOAug 17 18:47
gnufreexYes.Aug 17 18:47
schestowitzhe had nothing to do with forming itAug 17 18:47
schestowitzI don't recall now why the other CEO (Roberts?) left;Aug 17 18:47
gnufreexLarry augiustin disapointed me. Aug 17 18:48
schestowitzHe is defended in IDGAug 17 18:48
schestowitztheir fauxopen source blogAug 17 18:48
schestowitzNetwork World=IDGAug 17 18:48
gnufreexThey call it "Commercial Open Source" and in fact it is "Propriatry Open Source"Aug 17 18:49
gnufreexAnd then act suprised when peopkle say it is oxymoronAug 17 18:49
gnufreexschestowitz: In links, watch comments. Paul RonyAug 17 18:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Cannot Handle Its Own Stack http://ur1.ca/15z7t Microsoft’s Volume Licensing Service Center is down againAug 17 18:54
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schestowitzFirst commene evenAug 17 18:54
schestowitzhe trolls himAug 17 18:55
schestowitz"I got this call after sending him an email sharing my excitement with my new goal of creating an implementation of SugarCRM using Microsoft technologies, such as .NET, C# and SQL Server (which SugarCRM surprisingly did not support at the time). I had assumed that SugarCRM released their product 1.0 via open-source because they believed in the spirit of open-source, but this call made it clear that their open-source strategy was Aug 17 18:55
schestowitzjust a business tactic, a gimmick, a marketing strategy to sell software."Aug 17 18:55
schestowitzI never noticed him or paid attention to the nameAug 17 18:55
schestowitzShimel : "Paul, this is the 2nd time that you have plugged Splendid as a comment to a Sugar article. Frankly, I don't think it puts your company in a great light. It looks like you are trying to hard. I can understand moving to the GPL to protect their rights. At the end of the day Sugar is a commercial company with shareholders and investors to answer to."Aug 17 18:55
gnufreexI laugher hard when I read that.Aug 17 18:55
schestowitz"Yeah, he is clearly trying to hard. He was also spamming ZDnet and other sites. One dude completely busted him, showing what a Microsoft fanboy he is."Aug 17 18:56
schestowitz"SplendidCRM is a leach"Aug 17 18:56
gnufreexThe SplendidSPAM comment is my.Aug 17 18:56
gnufreexmineAug 17 18:56
schestowitz"Stop whining Paul. Your business model is and always has been to leach as much off of Sugar's Open source project as possible for your own monetary benefit. Under the GPL that's harder for you to do since you don't contribute to Open Source. You can't copy Sugar's GPL code and take it proprietary. You'd have to contribute your code back to the Open Source community. Gosh that's a shame. I guess you'll have to find someone else to Aug 17 18:56
schestowitzleach off of. "Aug 17 18:56
cubevectorsome people are critical of kindle but is there an ereader that is more acceptable?Aug 17 18:57
gnufreexWow.. Splendid sure is spending time following around *every* recent Sugar write-up. After a while it starts looking a little... well... pathetic.Aug 17 18:57
gnufreexThat was my comment... Aug 17 18:57
FurnaceBoycubevector: there is a Canadian e-readerAug 17 18:59
FurnaceBoycubevector: that seems quite well designedAug 17 18:59
FurnaceBoycubevector: it still blows my mind that you can't read pdf on kindleAug 17 18:59
cubevectorah interestingAug 17 19:00
FurnaceBoycubevector: http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2348989Aug 17 19:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Kobo e-reader to heat up Kindle competition .::. Size~: 77.28 KBAug 17 19:00
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.koboereader.com/Aug 17 19:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Kobo&trade; eReader &ndash; eReading: anytime. anyplace. .::. Size~: 8.65 KBAug 17 19:00
ThistleWebI like my Sony eReader for what it's worthAug 17 19:01
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2010/08/kobo-on-the-sunny-side.htmlAug 17 19:01
TechrightsBotTitle: The Book Bench: Kobo on the Sunny Side : The New Yorker .::. Size~: 102.96 KBAug 17 19:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @reality @threethirty Nice avatar!Aug 17 19:02
gnufreex"Aug 17 19:02
gnufreexYou retards should know that SplendidCRM is only Microsoft approved CRM technology. SugarCRM is crap, Balmer told us that. We at SplendidCRM take SugarCRM and add .NOT stuff to make it Microsoft approved. Stop using Linux crap and come to us to lock you in. Microsoft rulez, and they are paying us. But those pesky bastards from SugarCRM are putting AGPL to screw us. Microsoft thinks all GPL is cancer because it doesn't let us steal other people'sAug 17 19:02
gnufreex code. How SugarCRM dares to protect their code like that, now we hove tough choice: either be really open source company, or write our own shite. We hate open source, so that is not an option. And we don't know how to write our own shite because we are just trolls and we only get payed by Microsoft to troll forums and post crap against SugarCRM. We don't know what to do, we are stuck with oldish SugarCRM ripoff that we call SplendidCRM. But allAug 17 19:02
gnufreex that doesn't matter because SplendidCRM is Microsoft approved, while SugarCRM is crap. Who needs new technology when you get old one with Microsoft blessing. Only Microsoft technologies count, all other is just an illusion. Don't believe what you see, just believe what Microsoft tell you.Aug 17 19:02
gnufreexPaul RonyAug 17 19:02
gnufreexPresidentAug 17 19:02
gnufreexSplendidCRM Software, Inc.Aug 17 19:02
gnufreexWholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft CorporationAug 17 19:02
gnufreex"Aug 17 19:02
gnufreexThis is good.Aug 17 19:02
gnufreexSomeone faked himAug 17 19:03
schestowitzHeheAug 17 19:16
schestowitzIt sounds fake enough to pass "satire" testAug 17 19:16
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pawel_111hiAug 17 19:26
schestowitzHiAug 17 19:26
pawel_111I found somo mono trolls (probably related to novell) articles at KDE:Aug 17 19:27
pawel_111http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4309Aug 17 19:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Defending Free Software against Oracle's attack | kdedevelopers.org .::. Size~: 33.21 KBAug 17 19:27
pawel_111they even mention your siteAug 17 19:27
pawel_111and here:Aug 17 19:27
pawel_111http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4303Aug 17 19:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft ditch IronPython and IronRuby | kdedevelopers.org .::. Size~: 12.45 KBAug 17 19:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle Action Could Cause Migration to #GNU #Linux (at Expense of Solaris) and Help Vilify Software Patents http://ur1.ca/15zgv #swpatsAug 17 19:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle Action Could Cause Migration to GNU/Linux (at Expense of Solaris) and Help Vilify Software Patents  | Techrights .::. Size~: 99.06 KBAug 17 19:27
*schestowitz looksAug 17 19:28
schestowitzDamn. Firefox pisses me offAug 17 19:29
schestowitzRAM hog againAug 17 19:29
pawel_111the author of such bull, mono troll says in comment:Aug 17 19:29
pawel_111The most common variety of these trolls is the anti-Mono troll, like the 'Boycott Novell' people. Aug 17 19:29
cubevectorI'm running ff with 384 megs of ramAug 17 19:29
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: indeedAug 17 19:29
FurnaceBoycubevector: amazingAug 17 19:29
cubevectornot really :)Aug 17 19:29
FurnaceBoycubevector: how many windows/tabs do you open?Aug 17 19:30
schestowitzI think that's Firefoxs updating in the bgAug 17 19:30
cubevectorxchat, konsole, ffAug 17 19:30
FurnaceBoycubevector: i mean in FFAug 17 19:30
gnufreexKDE was working on Dalvik bindings?Aug 17 19:30
FurnaceBoycubevector: clearly xchat and konsole are nothingAug 17 19:30
gnufreexThat's newsAug 17 19:30
schestowitzpawel_111:  richard daleAug 17 19:30
schestowitzWe wrote about him years agoAug 17 19:30
cubevector3 tabs open in ffAug 17 19:30
schestowitzHe put Mono bindings in KDEAug 17 19:30
FurnaceBoycubevector: well there you goAug 17 19:31
FurnaceBoycubevector: i typically have 30+ windows openAug 17 19:31
FurnaceBoycubevector: often for 6 month stretchesAug 17 19:31
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org++richard+dale&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=Aug 17 19:31
TechrightsBotTitle: site:techrights.org  richard dale - Google Search .::. Size~: 37.6 KBAug 17 19:31
cubevectorwow, why so many?Aug 17 19:31
pawel_111Schestowitz: thanksAug 17 19:31
schestowitzarno rehn  comments there tooAug 17 19:31
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+arno+rehn+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=Aug 17 19:32
TechrightsBotTitle: site:techrights.org arno rehn - Google Search .::. Size~: 33.46 KBAug 17 19:32
FurnaceBoycubevector: because i'm easily distracted and i never read articles in one sitting. it's a bad habit, b/c both firefox and safari tend to forget my opened tabs, eventuallyAug 17 19:32
pawel_111I hope KDE will stay mono crap freeAug 17 19:32
gnufreexThis is not going to end wellAug 17 19:32
schestowitz"I still think C# and Mono are really innovative, and don't agree with all the Free Software trolling against them, even when it is from Richard Stallman himself. So what should we do? Arno is clearly not happy with working on C# bindings even though they are technically pretty amazing. Steve Ballmer why are you are still in charge?"Aug 17 19:33
gnufreexI am astonished how people take FUD and think it is "insightful research"Aug 17 19:33
cubevectorFuranceBoy, I am pretty used to using less memoryAug 17 19:33
schestowitzHe mentioned Arno againAug 17 19:33
cubevectorI can surf on 16 megs of ram if necessary :)Aug 17 19:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] U2 Manager Blames 'Free' And Anonymous Internet Bloggers For Industry Troubles http://dlvr.it/3w4L9Aug 17 19:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] At #nerdnite in #Munich. See http://muenchen.nerdnite.com/ http://ur1.ca/15zk4Aug 17 19:33
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pawel_111This Dale is just a dumb trollAug 17 19:34
cubevectorit seems kobo is more expensive than the kindle, at least the $139 oneAug 17 19:35
cubevectorI see $199 buy-it-nows on ebayAug 17 19:35
*amarsh04 is running Iceweasel in 384 MiB of RAM alsoAug 17 19:35
amarsh04an idea on the relative size of the main isp's in Australia: http://www.zdnet.com.au/iinet-counts-meaningful-isps-on-one-hand-339305252.htmAug 17 19:36
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cubevector384 megs of ram is all you need ;-)Aug 17 19:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @fontana Wrong, no © assignment to RHT for contributions to #NetworkManager. RHT doesn't have © assignment for any project (save Cygwin)Aug 17 19:45
MinceR172144 <@schestowitz> WHich includes Chrome on all servers with Oracle DBsAug 17 19:46
MinceRlolAug 17 19:46
schestowitzI don't think Dale is a troll at allAug 17 19:47
schestowitzBut I just don't understand why he tries to bring Mono to KDEAug 17 19:47
cubevectorI have 3.5.10 source so...Aug 17 19:49
cubevectorno way I'm using MonoAug 17 19:49
cubevectorwow, those ebay kobo prices are out to lunchAug 17 19:51
cubevector$149 at chapters.caAug 17 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Lots of #neckbeards at #nerdnite in Munich. That's the spirit!Aug 17 19:51
amarsh04This is the Richard Dale from Western Australia?Aug 17 19:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ubuntu 11.04 will be the Natty Narwhal - http://is.gd/em0DO :-) #ubuntuAug 17 19:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Want to know more about Narwhals? http://is.gd/em0Nx #ubuntuAug 17 19:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Narwhals - Weebl's Stuff .::. Size~: 25.91 KBAug 17 19:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ...and of course, everything is better with bacon - http://is.gd/em115 (thanks to Alan Bell for this) #ubuntu #nattyAug 17 20:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] There should be a FOSS rts game called Internet TycoonAug 17 20:11
ThistleWebbacon might be banging, but does his wife know?Aug 17 20:11
schestowitzMaybe it's cooperativeAug 17 20:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Oracle are a bunch of assholes, hell bent on alienating F/OSS communities. http://bit.ly/aTka2Z #postgresql #sun #fossAug 17 20:21
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle shuts down open source test servers - Software - Technology - News - iTnews.com.au .::. Size~: 78.88 KBAug 17 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Eek, Spurs not having a great start in the Champions League qualifiers, 3 - 0 down in the first half of the first legAug 17 20:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Spurs are better than this, not used to being heavy favorites I guess, the tie could be over tonightAug 17 20:26
FurnaceBoycubevector: that doesn't seem much. i just paid that ofr a set of ear phonesAug 17 20:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] In Shuttlworth trying to educate us with each new name Jacolope now Narwhal?Aug 17 20:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Reports Of The Web's Death Are Greatly Exaggerated Through Lies, Damn Lies & Statistics http://dlvr.it/3wBJzAug 17 20:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @fosspatents What about your own hypocrisy? http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1756418&cid=33272868 #swpatAug 17 20:51
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot Comments | Why Software Patents Are a Joke &mdash; Literally .::. Size~: 88.39 KBAug 17 20:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Watching My Story Go Viral in Twenty-Four Hours http://is.gd/em4nl The story behind the story of the too sexy banker.Aug 17 20:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] 1. #OIN cannot be expected to comment on a pending case of its membersAug 17 20:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii In the Slashdot comment you just linked to, I raise a problem with the OIN's unfair license agreement, nothing about hypocrisy.Aug 17 20:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Big tech companies really do feel evil lately. Evil Seems to Be Winning in the Tech Trenches by @ron_miller. http://bit.ly/cCN8GvAug 17 20:56
FurnaceBoyhe sounds surprised.Aug 17 20:58
FurnaceBoyI have to say though, that all of us (myself included) who gave Oracle the benefit of the doubt, were mistaken.Aug 17 20:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] "Hey, Burglars! Come Steal My Stuff!": http://digg.com/d31ZnSk?t The bad side of geo-location.Aug 17 20:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] 2. You criticize pledges or OIN as not being a magic bullet ("fake solution"). Fine, who does?.Aug 17 21:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii Even if not a complete solution, OIN could at least have a fair structure. I made four constructive suggestions: http://bit.ly/a6ZzqrAug 17 21:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] The other day you promote the Defensive Patent License vision http://bit.ly/bZ4OxgAug 17 21:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] thinking of donating some hardware to #postgresql to help vs latest #Oracle pettiness http://bit.ly/aTka2Z & dumping #mysql for any new projAug 17 21:05
TechrightsBotTitle: FOSS Patents: The DPL and the 'Fair Troll' business model: make money fighting patents with patents .::. Size~: 63.3 KBAug 17 21:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii The Defensive Patent License will, if consistent with what its creators said, be symmetrical, unlike the OIN with its arbitrary scope.Aug 17 21:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] 3. One day you attack software patent abolition as politically unfeasible, the other day http://bit.ly/chFXblAug 17 21:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@charlesadler Macleans' Andrew Coyne crucifies Harper // does anyone still cling to the "sociopath" view of #g20 protest? @acoyneAug 17 21:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@nit2am reality has an anti-#Israel bias, heheAug 17 21:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] 4. You appear to criticize Eben Moglen's OIN pragmatism and praise Endsoftwarepatents.org. Guess who is behind the site?Aug 17 21:14
gnufreexwhy is everybody saying that you have to implement full Java to be in the clear? That is simply FUD. It is enought to take chunk of OpenJDK code and make your project GPL. This is anti-GPL FUD by Florian Mueller and likes. We have to fight that. Aug 17 21:14
FurnaceBoylet's dub him a patent profiteerAug 17 21:15
FurnaceBoyparasiticAug 17 21:15
FurnaceBoyadding no value anywhere in the systemAug 17 21:15
gnufreexHe is working against GPL for some timeAug 17 21:15
FurnaceBoyI know :)Aug 17 21:15
gnufreexHe wanted to un-GPL mySQLAug 17 21:15
FurnaceBoyyes.Aug 17 21:15
FurnaceBoyalong with WideniusAug 17 21:16
FurnaceBoyand notably, contra RMSAug 17 21:16
FurnaceBoyeventuallyAug 17 21:16
gnufreexWidenius didn't came up with that.Aug 17 21:16
FurnaceBoyoh, yes he did :)Aug 17 21:16
FurnaceBoyhe was very gung ho about itAug 17 21:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii Your item "4": guess the FFII has a serious problem if it doesn't even know EndSoftPatents.org is an FSF site - but Moglen left FSF.Aug 17 21:16
FurnaceBoyon his blog, he called for copyright to be stripped from OracleAug 17 21:16
FurnaceBoydropped hints that the EU should do itAug 17 21:17
gnufreexI heard (from unverified sources) that Muller made an offer:Aug 17 21:17
gnufreexEither speak against GPL, or I am not lobbying for youAug 17 21:17
gnufreexAnd Monty had to do it.Aug 17 21:17
gnufreexMony was crying over MySQLAug 17 21:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @FOSSpatents you should make your messages to @ ffii public -- just repeat and precede them with '.'Aug 17 21:18
gnufreexHe was desperate.Aug 17 21:18
FurnaceBoygnufreex: sure, but he has long had a problem with the gplAug 17 21:19
FurnaceBoygnufreex: he hates itAug 17 21:19
gnufreexWho? Monty?Aug 17 21:19
FurnaceBoyyes.Aug 17 21:19
FurnaceBoyyou *do* read his blog?Aug 17 21:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @fontana @zoglesby Wrong, no © assignment to RHT for contributions to #NetworkManager. RHT doesn't have © assignment for any project ...Aug 17 21:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii Even though SFLC is listed as a supporter, my understanding is that the FSF is in charge and Ciaran reports to RMS personally.Aug 17 21:19
gnufreexI did read his blog, unitil MySQL drama, then I stopedAug 17 21:20
FurnaceBoyfair enoughAug 17 21:20
gnufreexHe might hate it now...Aug 17 21:20
FurnaceBoynot just him. his employees Aug 17 21:20
FurnaceBoyare all passionate argumentors for somehow stripping copyright from Sun's assetAug 17 21:20
FurnaceBoylet me find you an example...Aug 17 21:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii this gets too long for Twitter but last item: if OIN is pragmatic, why do Amazon TomTom Samsung HTC Salesforce pay royalties on Linux?Aug 17 21:21
schestowitz'to his credit, long after they were pressured to work with microsoft, nicholas negroponte said in a ted talk that kids aren't being taught computer skills, they're being taught to make powerpoints. quote: "that's criminal!"' http://file.status.net/identica/jimmorgan-20100817T153414-3g5bm4w.htmlAug 17 21:23
TechrightsBotTitle: RT @openuniverse @schestowitz to his credit, long after they were pressured to work with microsoft, nicholas negroponte said in a ted talk that kids aren't being taught computer skills, they're being taught to make powerpoints. quote: "that's criminal!" .::. Size~: 0.92 KBAug 17 21:23
gnufreexOLPC needst to die.Aug 17 21:24
gnufreexIt makes more damage then good.Aug 17 21:24
schestowitzHow so?Aug 17 21:24
gnufreexThey are putting Windows on kids computersAug 17 21:24
gnufreexIn fact... I am not up to date on that topic... are they still puting Windows on kids computers?Aug 17 21:26
FurnaceBoyhttp://blogs.gnome.org/mneptok/2009/12/16/save-mysql-getting-some-facts-straight/Aug 17 21:26
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FurnaceBoygnufreex: why wouldn't they?Aug 17 21:27
FurnaceBoygnufreex: kids need familiarity with windows to have relevant skills </sarcasm>Aug 17 21:27
gnufreexBecause point is to not make kids dependant on Microsoft or any other company. With Linux, you can learn computers... with Microsoft they learn nothing. Aug 17 21:28
FurnaceBoygnufreex: I agree 200%Aug 17 21:28
FurnaceBoygnufreex: there is only one purpose in exposing kids to microsoft. lifelong lockin.Aug 17 21:29
FurnaceBoygnufreex: which does them incalculable harmAug 17 21:29
gnufreexFurnaceBor: Exactly.Aug 17 21:29
FurnaceBoyand thereby harms society tooAug 17 21:29
FurnaceBoyit's the same as soda and junk foodAug 17 21:29
FurnaceBoytrain them that it's for eatingAug 17 21:29
FurnaceBoyit's a habit they'll keep for the rest of their (shorter, fatter) lives, mostlyAug 17 21:30
FurnaceBoyit's no coincidence that McD's is marketed straight at childrenAug 17 21:30
FurnaceBoyit's become a cultural norm to train your children to eat thereAug 17 21:30
FurnaceBoyto bow to that is culpably unsound parentingAug 17 21:31
gnufreexYes. And problems is that people forget that McD is for profit company.Aug 17 21:31
FurnaceBoyyep: there's nothing in it for usAug 17 21:31
FurnaceBoyexcept dietary caused ill healthAug 17 21:31
gnufreexThey think it is some kind of common wealthAug 17 21:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Briliiant rebuttle to the U2 manager's complete bafflement at the internet http://bit.ly/cNp6SQAug 17 21:31
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FurnaceBoyhaha, yes.Aug 17 21:31
FurnaceBoyit's hilarious.Aug 17 21:31
FurnaceBoyoutside the USA, there is a prestige attached to these brands.Aug 17 21:32
gnufreexSo if you are not using Microsoft, or not eating in McDAug 17 21:32
FurnaceBoyit's f***ing hilarious.Aug 17 21:32
gnufreexThen you are out of the gangAug 17 21:32
FurnaceBoyLOl, yes.Aug 17 21:32
FurnaceBoyquite soAug 17 21:32
FurnaceBoythis ridiculous backwards principle has seduced some very smart countries (BRIC)Aug 17 21:32
FurnaceBoy"If it's foreign , it's better."Aug 17 21:32
FurnaceBoyincredibly sad, incredibly wasteful, and just wrongAug 17 21:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Rolling Stone Magazine thanks the RIAA for screwing up the online music industry http://bit.ly/c5LiU7Aug 17 21:34
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Will_The source says that note is from 2002.Aug 17 21:36
ThistleWebyepAug 17 21:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Which city/place in China is a core market for hardware/netbook/tablets ? I may go to china/otherplace for hardware purchase !!Aug 17 21:40
schestowitzWhich source?Aug 17 21:41
Will_http://techdirt.com/articles/20100816/15542210641.shtmlAug 17 21:41
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Will_Also... another "Xbox exclusive" bites the dust.  http://kotaku.com/5614838/mass-effect-2-hits-the-playstation-3-in-januaryAug 17 21:42
TechrightsBotTitle: Mass Effect 2 Hits The PlayStation 3 In January [UPDATE] .::. Size~: 71.07 KBAug 17 21:42
Will_That's a big one.  The term "Xbox exclusive" has been a joke for years, but now I think it has officially become a myth, like the tooth fairy or unicorns.Aug 17 21:43
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: I read this MySQL blogAug 17 21:43
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: It is not against GPL.Aug 17 21:44
gnufreexMySQL had dual-licensing scheme which is dependant on owning copyrights. You fork the code, but you don't have right to relicense. Aug 17 21:44
MinceRthen let the GPL version surviveAug 17 21:45
MinceRand drop the dual-licensing schemeAug 17 21:45
gnufreexYes, I am saying that. Aug 17 21:45
MinceR:)Aug 17 21:45
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gnufreex3 important projects are not owned by Oracle: Java, MySQL, and OpenOfficem.Aug 17 21:46
gnufreexOpenOffice can be forked easily. Aug 17 21:47
gnufreexOther project (that are not Java, MySQL and OpenOffice) are not important so much. Aug 17 21:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Craigslist's Response To Adult Service Criticisms: Hey, eBay's Worse Than Us! http://dlvr.it/3wHbNAug 17 21:48
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MinceRVirtualBox can be forked as wellAug 17 21:48
gnufreexQEMU will overtake it. No need. Aug 17 21:49
gnufreexIt is not yet better, but it will be. Aug 17 21:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] How software patents actually work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbDfo4q5pwAug 17 21:49
MinceRin the same way, PostgreSQL overtakes MySQLAug 17 21:49
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MinceRit's already betterAug 17 21:49
FurnaceBoygnufreex: Kurt does not explain the details of how MySQL can be 'saved' other than by reference to Monty's proposal, which was to forcibly remove copyright. Are you aware of any other (less fanciful) proposal?Aug 17 21:51
FurnaceBoyMinceR: I'm pretty sure I will use PgSQL in pref to MySQL in future. And I'm a long-time MySQL user.Aug 17 21:52
MinceRi hope webapps will do so tooAug 17 21:52
FurnaceBoyyes, i'm referring to webappsAug 17 21:52
gnufreexDivesting MySQL? Aug 17 21:52
FurnaceBoygnufreex: what does that mean exactly.Aug 17 21:52
FurnaceBoygnufreex: the 'save mysql' crowd appears to have only one idea. "Beg EU to strip copyright" (as ridiculous as that sounds)Aug 17 21:53
gnufreexForcing Oracle to IPO mySQL as independant compnyAug 17 21:53
gnufreexOr sell it to someoneAug 17 21:53
FurnaceBoyit's not clear to me how they could force that.Aug 17 21:53
MinceRi don't see why they even need itAug 17 21:53
FurnaceBoyin the end , the deal was done years ago, when MySQL AB sold to SunAug 17 21:53
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: now they can'tAug 17 21:54
FurnaceBoywe already know that EU, DoJ don't care deeply about antitrust issuesAug 17 21:54
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: They could do it before merger.Aug 17 21:55
FurnaceBoythe crusade was quixotic and suspectAug 17 21:55
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: They only wanted to strip GPL, as you said.Aug 17 21:55
FurnaceBoyoh, that's all, eh. ;-)Aug 17 21:55
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: I meant the Muller. Aug 17 21:55
FurnaceBoyand Monty.Aug 17 21:56
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gnufreexFurnaceBoy:  They didn't want to separate it from Oracle. Aug 17 21:56
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: The case was pretty clear. Oracle is competitor to Oracle, maybe not direct, but most prospective open source competitor. Aug 17 21:58
gnufreex*Oracle is dompetitor to MySQLAug 17 21:59
gnufreex*competitorAug 17 21:59
gnufreexI am gone sleeping. I miss words Bye. Aug 17 21:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] N-imal? - http://bit.ly/cDIe0u what, like a Natty Narwhal...? (I like it, I like it...) #ubuntu #narwhalAug 17 22:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Pirate Party Strikes Hosting Deal With Wikileaks - http://bit.ly/bGQqXd obviously a marriage made in, er, Stockholm #wikileaks #swedenAug 17 22:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Next #Ubuntu release gets a name. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478Aug 17 22:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Wired? Tired? Expired - http://bit.ly/c1QvWf @jdub provides his "favourite bits of abject cluelessness" from That Article #web #wiredAug 17 22:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] After a few days of Maverick breakage, back on my Thinkpad. Love it!Aug 17 22:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Workshop on Open Bibliographic Data and the Public Domain - http://bit.ly/bHR3hy Berlin, 7th October 2010 #publicdomainAug 17 22:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] An armed man? AKA a man with arms? Well that narrows down the Police description a lotAug 17 22:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] There should be a Blues Brothers horror spoof called Blood Brothers, 'don't worry ma'am we're vampires'Aug 17 22:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] I 'd like to see Oracle submit the Java programming language and runtime specifications for standardization. Better late than never.Aug 17 22:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Competition Makes Groups More Creative - http://bit.ly/9w9bgS er, yes, as free software has been proving for decades #hackersAug 17 22:24
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schestowitz[22:12] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [jonobacon] After a few days of Maverick breakage, back on my Thinkpad. Love it!Aug 17 22:25
schestowitzNot good PR.......Aug 17 22:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: right so another name for Ubuntu,  and something about how,  11.04 will take advantage of modern day graphics card software by the sounds of itAug 17 22:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] So tired of the beige bully boy in Ottawa and his pathetic posturing. #HarperMustGo #NotALeader #cdnpoliAug 17 22:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @rubberstamprosk http://bit.ly/95l9s1 // Bolton: #Iran "not entitled to peaceful use of nuclear #energy". Thx 4 clearing that up, fucker.Aug 17 22:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Not exactly glowing report on BECTA, lol http://bit.ly/9D5FADAug 17 22:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Step 1: Post Elusive Proof. Step 2: Watch Fireworks - http://nyti.ms/aPtJOb Step 0: do it openly and collaboratively #openmathsAug 17 22:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] How many former Microsoft employees work at BECTA? Where will they burrow now?Aug 17 22:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Hey all of you ur1.ca fanboys, care to add http:// to your dents/tweets? #annoyedAug 17 22:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Look what Zhuul created - http://soc.li/Gz0MpIM #severedfifthAug 17 22:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Composed a small list of Indian Tux Girls - http://twitter.com/nsisodiya/indian-tux-girls , do let me know if I forget somebody.Aug 17 22:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @jneves Encontro Ubuntu-PT, 5ª feira, 18h30 http://4g2d.sl.pt - todos são bem vindos #ubuntu #ubuntu-pt (please, RD)Aug 17 22:32
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter / @nsisodiya/Indian-tux-girls .::. Size~: 49.85 KBAug 17 22:32
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schestowitzThistleWeb: no former employees thereAug 17 22:35
schestowitzWe did look at the board one by one 2 years agoAug 17 22:35
ThistleWebso they didnt all scurry like rats back up the MS trouserleg thenAug 17 22:35
schestowitzNo, I have posts about themAug 17 22:36
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/BECTAAug 17 22:36
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MinceRgnAug 17 22:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Web multimedia: 6 reasons why Flash isn't going away http://is.gd/embEL Another story I wish I'd written. Well researched & written.Aug 17 22:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Open Twitter Profile page of anybody. you will find "more like .." suggestions. easy to find similar persons.Aug 17 22:56
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-developer-decodes-Apple-s-Magic-Trackpad-1060268.htmlAug 17 22:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Canonical developer decodes Apple's Magic Trackpad - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.9 KBAug 17 22:56
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DaemonFChttp://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-three-strikes-20100817,0,7579195.storyAug 17 23:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Crime, justice: Finally, a convict's third strike is struck - latimes.com .::. Size~: 168.77 KBAug 17 23:01
DaemonFCLife sentence for a string of petty offenses Aug 17 23:01
DaemonFCniceAug 17 23:01
DaemonFCone of which was stealing a purse with $10 and a bus pass in itAug 17 23:02
DaemonFCyou really have to wonder why people don't aim higher in robbery attempts Aug 17 23:03
schestowitzLet's stay on topicAug 17 23:03
DaemonFCX.org multitouch, hehAug 17 23:05
*DaemonFC wonders if it works as well as mouse pointer autohideAug 17 23:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @fabsh @tante I have full disk encryption on the whole LVM. Works great!Aug 17 23:06
DaemonFCAt least they aren't putting up with Canonical's Novell-ish behavior of tossing out halfassed code that was developed largely in secret, isn't guaranteed to build, and is full of bugsAug 17 23:07
DaemonFCShared memory exposed to everything in userspace ftw!Aug 17 23:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Arriving at harpenden station....one more stop.Aug 17 23:09
*DaemonFC beats jono over the head with gstreamer0.10-lameAug 17 23:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @rsandu ♺ @johnsu01: We're delivering the ACTA petition signatures on Thursday: http://ur1.ca/15zdp #fsfAug 17 23:10
DaemonFCmandatory lowpass filter ftwAug 17 23:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Delivering the ACTA petition: Sign before Thursday to have your voice heard! &mdash; Free Software Foundation &mdash; working together for free software .::. Size~: 23.11 KBAug 17 23:10
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/9374Aug 17 23:10
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jonoDaemonFC, what are you referring to?Aug 17 23:11
schestowitzDaemonFC: leaveeeeee jono alone. Stop ping-harassing himAug 17 23:11
DaemonFCjono, Gstreamer's defective LAME encoder Aug 17 23:11
DaemonFCit arbitrarily imposes a 16 khz lowpass among other nonsensical crapAug 17 23:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] BitTorrent Begins Directly Promoting Content Creators Willing To Embrace New Forms Of Distribution http://dlvr.it/3wQC4Aug 17 23:11
TechrightsBotTitle: BitTorrent Begins Directly Promoting Content Creators Willing To Embrace New Forms Of Distribution | Techdirt .::. Size~: 25.04 KBAug 17 23:11
jonoDaemonFC, I mean why are you pointing it out to me?Aug 17 23:11
DaemonFCfor a long time it also made the macimum packet size 160 kbpsAug 17 23:11
jonoI assumed something I posted?Aug 17 23:12
schestowitzI think he just wants your attentionAug 17 23:12
DaemonFCjust don't fall into the trapAug 17 23:12
DaemonFCGstreamer-Lame is full of crapAug 17 23:12
DaemonFCB-)Aug 17 23:13
DaemonFCwhich it looks like that's what you're usingAug 17 23:13
*DaemonFC barfsAug 17 23:13
*DaemonFC grabs Encspot and asks itAug 17 23:14
DaemonFChmmm, according to this, jono is using Gogo somehow Aug 17 23:15
DaemonFCwhich was a short lived fork of LAME that happened 10 years agoAug 17 23:15
DaemonFCit died after all the x86 assembler was merged back into LAME itself Aug 17 23:16
schestowitz[Said the Windows user]Aug 17 23:16
DaemonFCwhatever it is, he is using 256k CBRAug 17 23:16
DaemonFCand the encoder has really shitty short block detectionAug 17 23:16
DaemonFCB-)Aug 17 23:16
DaemonFCand the scalefactor efficiency is off by, a lotAug 17 23:17
FurnaceBoypatches welcomeAug 17 23:18
DaemonFCit understands mid/side stereo but it's using them on the wrong frames a lot of the timeAug 17 23:18
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Patches are not requiredAug 17 23:18
DaemonFCan MP3 encoder newer than 10 years old might help, or avoiding bastardized forks the original project tells you to avoidAug 17 23:18
DaemonFC:DAug 17 23:18
DaemonFCI don't think Fruenhofer's encoder could have made a mess like this Aug 17 23:19
DaemonFCor LameAug 17 23:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] My Twifficiency score is 33%. Whats yours? http://twifficiency.com/Aug 17 23:19
DaemonFCor HelixAug 17 23:19
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DaemonFCit helps to use an encoder that produces a completely valid ISO-compliant stream thoughAug 17 23:20
DaemonFCjust because some decoders can figure it out doesn't mean that it's actually compliant Aug 17 23:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you might want to start a blacklist for twitter gamesAug 17 23:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: foursquare, twiff*, that mafia thingAug 17 23:21
schestowitzThat last one I fell victim toAug 17 23:21
schestowitzANd it used my account to spam all my followersAug 17 23:21
DaemonFCjono, I suggest using something that calls the LAME binary directly Aug 17 23:21
DaemonFCjust a bit of constructive criticism Aug 17 23:21
schestowitzThat included Microsoft employees who follow meAug 17 23:21
DaemonFCSoundKonverter does (KDE version of SoundConverter)Aug 17 23:22
DaemonFCanything that calls Gstreamer-Lame will give bad resultsAug 17 23:22
DaemonFCevery timeAug 17 23:22
DaemonFCI tried using Gstreamer's encoder before but ran into so many problems that they introduced in the process of turning it into a Gstreamer plug-in that I gave upAug 17 23:23
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/reach-out-and-touch-your-netbook-with-ubuntu-multitouch.arsAug 17 23:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Reach out and touch your netbook with Ubuntu multitouch .::. Size~: 29.06 KBAug 17 23:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: who are you talking to?Aug 17 23:23
DaemonFCjono, Aug 17 23:23
schestowitzHe doesn't seem to be paying attentionAug 17 23:23
DaemonFCPublic Service Announcement: Gstreamer-Lame spits out suboptimal results every time, and sometimes an ISO non-compliant stream entirely Aug 17 23:24
DaemonFCit's totally busted, don't trust it B-)Aug 17 23:24
schestowitzPublic Service Announcement: DaemonFC is a WIndows-using trolAug 17 23:24
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 17 23:24
DaemonFCeven Windows Media Player's MP3 encoder isn't as perverted as Gstreamer'sAug 17 23:25
DaemonFCspeaking of whichAug 17 23:25
DaemonFC:DAug 17 23:25
schestowitzhttp://lwn.net/Articles/400586/ Shuttleworth is AN N-imal!!Aug 17 23:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Shuttleworth: N-imal? [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 9.26 KBAug 17 23:25
DaemonFCGstreamer gets the proverbial F for eFFort hereAug 17 23:25
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, The idea of submitting patches assumes that the project isn't deliberately broken and featureless and imposing crazy ass defaults on youAug 17 23:26
DaemonFC:DAug 17 23:26
FurnaceBoywhat's productive, complaining or patching? :)Aug 17 23:27
DaemonFCGstreamer's decoders typically work fine because decoders are strictly defined and either work or don'tAug 17 23:27
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: get yourself into an executive position where you can decide what gets packagedAug 17 23:27
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/46144945#notice-46503675 "Ubuntu 11.04 - so no more "Neverending Nightmare" ? :)"Aug 17 23:27
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DaemonFCAvoid MP3 entirely or at least avoid broken encodersAug 17 23:28
DaemonFCit's bad enough that the format is bad and obsolete already Aug 17 23:28
DaemonFCit doesn't need any help in spitting out bad results Aug 17 23:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Touch Slate PC: Made in Pakistan http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=815728EA-1A64-67EA-E4090599643E9285 Running #gnu #linux , of courseAug 17 23:28
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DaemonFCFhG has the same problem Microsoft does with the PR flowAug 17 23:34
DaemonFCsomething new is always "flawless" and then when it's old, they start FUDding the previous version of their own stuff Aug 17 23:35
DaemonFC(But you can still buy licenses for it!)Aug 17 23:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, Regarding the crappy/overpriced Android netbooks in the USAug 17 23:38
DaemonFCProfit has to be made at every levelAug 17 23:39
DaemonFCI doubt the margin for a $35 netbook would be highAug 17 23:39
oiaohm35 is basically zero profit.Aug 17 23:39
oiaohmResistance touch screen is the old tech and you can recycle old factories to make it.  Factories that otherwise would be going to the junk yard.Aug 17 23:42
DaemonFCoiaohm, What's funny is that the faster models with Android are slower than the slow models with Windows CEAug 17 23:42
DaemonFCI saw a video demo of an Android netbook from the same manufacturer with twice the specs and it was crawlingAug 17 23:42
DaemonFCcould just be a botched build of AndroidAug 17 23:43
DaemonFCit kept closing apps on its own and freezing uoAug 17 23:43
DaemonFC*upAug 17 23:43
DaemonFCthat just screams qualityAug 17 23:43
oiaohmAndroid video stack is independ to the main kernel.Aug 17 23:43
oiaohmSo makers have to get drivers that are not tested main line.Aug 17 23:44
oiaohmYou know intel quality drivers for the Linux kernel.Aug 17 23:44
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GlennBeck and Sarah Palin admit they are racists and support terrorism on American soil http://ur1.ca/161mvAug 17 23:44
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Hal Turner, racist fuck and frequent target of 4chan's /b/, finally convicted of being a #douchebag http://ur1.ca/161oaAug 17 23:44
TechrightsBotTitle: Glenn Beck's plans for rally on a hallowed date and spot spurs countermarches .::. Size~: 103.26 KBAug 17 23:44
oiaohmThey are even worse for android.Aug 17 23:44
DaemonFChow do old ATI chipsets work?Aug 17 23:44
DaemonFClike mobile onesAug 17 23:45
oiaohmAgain worse for androidAug 17 23:45
oiaohmAndroid screen is it own version of framebuffer that is independant to everything else.Aug 17 23:46
oiaohmQualcomm stuff is about the only stuff that works somewhere near decent with androidAug 17 23:46
oiaohmAnd that is not even a top video card.Aug 17 23:47
Diablo-D3oiaohm: wellAug 17 23:55
Diablo-D3any 1ghz+ A8/A9 with a sgx 54x is fineAug 17 23:55
DaemonFCoiaohm, The control freakery on these SlotRadio cards sounds ludicrous Aug 17 23:56
DaemonFChave you seen those?Aug 17 23:56
DaemonFCcan't even select what to play, it forces you to play things on the card randomlyAug 17 23:57
DaemonFC:PAug 17 23:57
DaemonFCand the actual files are on a proprietary filesystem that nothing but the Sansa can readAug 17 23:57
DaemonFCRIAA would never agree to sell 1,000 songs for $40 without some kind of catch that makes them unusable :PAug 17 23:59
DaemonFCso this isn't a total surpriseAug 17 23:59

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