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| DaemonFC | of course he was one of the people Microsoft scalped from VMS | Aug 20 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | he wasn't just some random intern that never saw life outside of Microsoft who put gobs of bad code in, clueless to what it would actually do | Aug 20 00:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: deciding to put window manager in kernel is not an intern level decision. | Aug 20 00:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Cutler must have been over-ruled from ABOVE. | Aug 20 00:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | would not surprise me by Gates | Aug 20 00:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | though i can't recall exactly. google has more | Aug 20 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | well, Windows Vista and 7 only support window management in kernel if you're using XP drivers | Aug 20 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | which also limits you to DirectX 9 | Aug 20 00:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right, but we're not talking about those. | Aug 20 00:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm sure this wtf has finally been addressed, but I don't care | Aug 20 00:02 |
| gnufreex | Gates scraped microkernel design and ordered them to write huge megakernel. He is phucken megalomaniac | Aug 20 00:02 |
| gnufreex | lol | Aug 20 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's only supported for backward compatibility and there's no way to get WHQL drivers signed for Vista or 7 if you use that in your drivers | Aug 20 00:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex: he is technically overrated | Aug 20 00:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Youre more than welcome back anytime. Daniel says Hi (he was on IRC with me earlier) | Aug 20 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC | and frankly no user would tolerate it either because it would disable most of the eye candy | Aug 20 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | and some games too | Aug 20 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex: his main skill is in extortion, shakedown, etc | Aug 20 00:03 |
| gnufreex | FurnaceBoy: Agreed. | Aug 20 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex: he should be the Saint of Organised Crime worldwide | Aug 20 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex: he sure showed em how it's done | Aug 20 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | Patron Saint of Organized Crime | Aug 20 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | is more like it | Aug 20 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patron_saint | Aug 20 00:04 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Patron saint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 28 KB | Aug 20 00:04 |
| gnufreex | FurnaceBoy: He showed Larry how to be a jerk. Larry hated Microsoft, now he is worse. | Aug 20 00:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I really should consider going to bed... | Aug 20 00:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Meh, I don't really give a shit what happens to Java | Aug 20 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing I have that depends on Java is my phone | Aug 20 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | is that going to stop working? | Aug 20 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | doubt it | Aug 20 00:05 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: I give two shits | Aug 20 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | entry level Java smartphone, designed to be thrown in the trash in 2 years when your contract expires | Aug 20 00:06 |
| amarsh04 | no blu-ray player? | Aug 20 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | nothing Oracle does will stop it from working differently | Aug 20 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: I have a BD player | Aug 20 00:06 |
| amarsh04 | they run java | Aug 20 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | they can | Aug 20 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | not that it's mandatory for the disc to use it | Aug 20 00:07 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: I do JBoss and Adempiere at work. So I must give two shits for Java. | Aug 20 00:07 |
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| amarsh04 | ah, right | Aug 20 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | Java enables spyware masquerading as features, like BD+ | Aug 20 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | death to BD+! hooray! | Aug 20 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 00:07 |
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| gnufreex | DaemonFC: I think you have no idea what Java means to the world rigt now. Without Java, internet would go down. | Aug 20 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | why? | Aug 20 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | it existed before Java | Aug 20 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | it existed before GUIs were popular | Aug 20 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | it was designed to work in the event of a nuclear war | Aug 20 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Aug 20 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | why does Java matter to the internet? | Aug 20 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're off on a tangent | Aug 20 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's a large community and a substantial number of businesses depend on it. | Aug 20 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: think,... think..... | Aug 20 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | good for them | Aug 20 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | now they're going to get sued | Aug 20 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | haha | Aug 20 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | stupid businesses | Aug 20 00:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Really no gnufreex supprising lose java would only be minor harm to the internet. | Aug 20 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | relying on patented things without buying patent protection | Aug 20 00:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Lose of PHP would be a major nuke. gnufreex | Aug 20 00:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Java more harms lot of internal business software not internet exposed software. gnufreex | Aug 20 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | loss of Java would be a nuisance in the grand scheme of things | Aug 20 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: well, isn't there some risk to Zend bytecode blah? | Aug 20 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right. one minute you think it's free, the next, Larry has your gonads in his chopsticks. | Aug 20 00:12 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm_: You are about right, most bissiness would be at stand still if they sudenly lose Java. But Internet would be damage too. | Aug 20 00:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Most online shops don't use java. gnufreex | Aug 20 00:13 |
| oiaohm_ | Same with banks and other major internet structs. | Aug 20 00:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | Google Web Toolkit goes. A lot of gaming infrastructure is java based. | Aug 20 00:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | does* | Aug 20 00:14 |
| oiaohm_ | Biggest gaming is steam and it does not use java at all. | Aug 20 00:14 |
| gnufreex | I don't think so. What do you tink banks are using? Most use something like JBoss, or WebSphere. | Aug 20 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Any business with one part-time lawyer should have an idea if they're allowed to use a particular piece of software or not | Aug 20 00:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: eh, maybe not :) | Aug 20 00:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 19/8/2010: Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS, Many New Events http://techrights.org/2010/08/19/ubuntu-10-04-1-lts/ | Aug 20 00:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Home, at last! Shared room means junior papas sleep at home. Can't wait for the morning to come but at the same time I do so have to sleep. | Aug 20 00:15 | |
| gnufreex | But all this is moot because Larry can't kill Java | Aug 20 00:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you need an IP specialist. | Aug 20 00:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Google Web Toolkit there are large sections that are not java linked. | Aug 20 00:15 |
| gnufreex | even if he wants | Aug 20 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | Either Oracle's suit is frivolous, which I think it is | Aug 20 00:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I know one, if you want ... :D | Aug 20 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | or any competent group of retained lawyers would have said not to use Java | Aug 20 00:15 |
| oiaohm_ | JBoss and WebSphere are not used by a lot of banks I know. | Aug 20 00:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: google can't afford a competent IP lawyer! | Aug 20 00:15 |
| *FurnaceBoy giggles | Aug 20 00:15 | |
| oiaohm_ | For there online interfaces. | Aug 20 00:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Scarly I even know of one bank using .net | Aug 20 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | Google has many expensive lawyers | Aug 20 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I just can't see them walking into such a trap | Aug 20 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | Oracle is claiming Google knew they were violating Java patents and did it anyway, which means treble (punitive) damages | Aug 20 00:19 |
| gnufreex | Someone finaly explained to PJ of Groklaw what this is about. Finally affter lots of confusion: | Aug 20 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | up to triple what they could sue for normally | Aug 20 00:19 |
| gnufreex | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100815110101756&title=is%20GPL%20the%20monkey%20wrench%20in%20all%20of%20this%3F&type=article&order=ASC&hideanonymous=0&pid=869474#c870146 | Aug 20 00:19 |
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| gnufreex | Read folow up coments too | Aug 20 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | If you think there's a good chance your software violates patents, sometimes it's better not to look if you don't think you can avoid them | Aug 20 00:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] In bed, reading @Doctorow 's For the Win in ePUB format with #fbreader in my #freerunner 's #SHR | Aug 20 00:20 | |
| DaemonFC | because then treble damages are harder to pursue if you are sued | Aug 20 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | if a company knows you looked it up, found their patents, and went ahead anyway, treble damages can be more motivation for them to sue | Aug 20 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | bigger potential payoff when they prove it in court | Aug 20 00:21 |
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| DaemonFC | a lot of the reason behind free formats taking off is due to the cartels feeding themselves | Aug 20 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Vorbis isn't much use if the device you want to use only plays MPEG | Aug 20 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | ODF isn't much good if the first MS Office user who loads it will corrupt the file | Aug 20 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | *not taking off | Aug 20 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | the companies who are most in bed with MPEG-LA will make sure not to support Vorbis | Aug 20 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | so it rules out playing it on ipod or Zune or anything made by RCA or Philips | Aug 20 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | or Sony | Aug 20 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | then there's Sandisk who isn't interested in feeding MPEG-LA as much as they are having a product that sells well and sells more flash memory cards, so they make sure to support as many popular codecs as they can | Aug 20 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | Vorbis included | Aug 20 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's why you should buy your devices from a hardware engineering company and not a law firm that happens to sell devices on the side | Aug 20 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | Thomson isn't an engineering company anymore (they were when my dad worked there) | Aug 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | now they're just a big patent troll that happens to license out their name to be used on crappy consumer hardware made in China | Aug 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | they don't design anything anymore as far as I can tell | Aug 20 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | They own some AAC patents but they push MP3 more because they own more of the MP3 patent pool | Aug 20 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | eventually as their patents expire, they're going to be pulling in less and less money and eventually go under or get bought for whatever worth they have left | Aug 20 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of pathetic when you consider that at one point in time, they were an American company, that made things, in the United States, and could credibly compete with Sony | Aug 20 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | and didn't just have to rely on suing people to make their money | Aug 20 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | (after firing thousands of people) | Aug 20 00:32 |
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| DaemonFC | They used to be RCA, but they really started to sink when they got bought by Thomson and chopped up into tiny pieces | Aug 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | they started doing lots of licensing deals with Microsoft, I remember that much | Aug 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft and SGI were fighting each other for a Thomson contract, and eventually Microsoft undercut SGI and all employee workstations went over to Windows NT + AutoCAD | Aug 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | There's too many patent trolls and law firms out there that people mistake for engineering companies | Aug 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | Oracle is one of them | Aug 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | what's funny is that they get to exploit lots of free labor by convincing developers that they have "open source" | Aug 20 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | that doesnt fly long. a lot of key devs left, even before the acquisition. | Aug 20 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I said people should think long and hard before signing off on copyright assignment, to anyone else | Aug 20 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | mysql was gutted before oracle even arrived on the scene | Aug 20 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is all fitting. | Aug 20 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | mysql's losing relevance | Aug 20 00:38 |
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| FurnaceBoy | it's only natural that talent will be freed up for 'what comes after mysql' | Aug 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's forked several times over | Aug 20 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | none of the forks are very interesting either. | Aug 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | Oracle is paying little attention to the official version | Aug 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | the forks have to be compatible with Oracle's | Aug 20 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, drizzle is sort of interesting. | Aug 20 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | moreso than the official. | Aug 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | it just doesn't scream "Healthy environment" | Aug 20 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Maria has the mission to be compatible. Which is a bad move. Drizzle does not. | Aug 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | well, two way compatibility is insane | Aug 20 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Maria will be dragged down by that. Widenius made a strategic error, perhaps based on emotion. He should have started over, then he could have remained relevant. | Aug 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | baseline compatibility is something that might be passable | Aug 20 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Drizzle makes no effort to be compatible, which is what makes it more interesting. | Aug 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | they should be saying all your MySQL stuff will work | Aug 20 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Maria makes that promise. | Aug 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | but they have extra features that MySQL does not | Aug 20 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no, Drizzle is all about REMOVING cruft. | Aug 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | so it performs better than MySQL? | Aug 20 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | hell yeah. | Aug 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | MySQL isn't exactly a speed demon | Aug 20 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's more relevant to the way things are moving. | Aug 20 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | MySQL is in the end a past generational system | Aug 20 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | like Oracle itself. | Aug 20 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | you don't hitch your wagon to that | Aug 20 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | Buy faster hardware | Aug 20 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | (FROM US!) | Aug 20 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 20 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah | Aug 20 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is myopic, and not sustainable. | Aug 20 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | (every year or two, kthx!) | Aug 20 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 20 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | once again, Oracle customers will be screwed. and the tool is lockin. | Aug 20 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | another big ghetto | Aug 20 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Oracle's biggest threat is ppl migrating to more modern, commodity platforms... and you just can't roll back that tide. Ask Microsoft. hehe | Aug 20 00:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Larry Ellison: “We Have to Exploit Open Source.” http://techrights.org/2010/08/19/comedy-regarding-swpats/ #scoracle #swpats | Aug 20 00:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | that's why these proprietary UNIX variants are dying off | Aug 20 00:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes... | Aug 20 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | they've historically been tied to single-source hardware that costs a LOT of money | Aug 20 00:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | have been for a very long time now-- 15+ yrs | Aug 20 00:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | RMS started this | Aug 20 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | that was workable back when FreeBSD or Linux couldn't get you anywhere | Aug 20 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | by pointing out that the emperor had no clothes. | Aug 20 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | but that was at least 10 years ago | Aug 20 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | that vendor tools, all the closed stuff, was inferior and not properly maintained. | Aug 20 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yes, it was closer to 20 years ago. | Aug 20 00:44 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but it took a while for things to get moving. | Aug 20 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: required Linux to mature, as well | Aug 20 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | right, Linux was fairly unusable behind a bored hacker's playground before 2.4 | Aug 20 00:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | first domino, RMS; 2nd, Linus; and it's just gathered momentum from there | Aug 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | 2.6 really was the death sentence for things like Solaris | Aug 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | *besides | Aug 20 00:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: even at 2.2 though it was changing the industry rapidly. | Aug 20 00:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's when i picked it up | Aug 20 00:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | ~ 1998ish | Aug 20 00:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | but i was already using SUnOS | Aug 20 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | I got all excited when OS X started shipping and then I saw it in action | Aug 20 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | and I decided to just get another white box with Windows XP on it | Aug 20 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | but yeah, that was around 2000 | Aug 20 00:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | i didn't mess with OS X till 10.0, and anyone will tell yu it was not production ready till 10.2. | Aug 20 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | the first release of OS X couldn't even play DVDs | Aug 20 00:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: 10.0 could. | Aug 20 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | it was so bad that all of its victims got the 10.1 update for free | Aug 20 00:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, you couldn't really use it commercially until 10.2. | Aug 20 00:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | but 10.2 was pretty kickass. first 3d accelerated desktop. | Aug 20 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | and faster than its predecessors as usual | Aug 20 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | the Intel transition was probably the worst thing that happened with OS X | Aug 20 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | not for Apple of course because they now had access to a huge supply of cheap commodity hardware | Aug 20 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | but PPC was better | Aug 20 00:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | ppc is very solid | Aug 20 00:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | the intel ppl seem to have way more problems | Aug 20 00:50 |
| *FurnaceBoy uses g4 and g5 every day | Aug 20 00:50 | |
| DaemonFC | I have a dual 1 Ghz G4 | Aug 20 00:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | nice! | Aug 20 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | I got it with an old OS X on it | Aug 20 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | and ended up using Debian | Aug 20 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I said Linux works better on non-x86 systems, it always has in my experience | Aug 20 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | but MinceR was also right, it's because the x86 platform is crap | Aug 20 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | x86 is holding Linux back | Aug 20 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | but it has to work on x86 because it's what's popular | Aug 20 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see those ARM netbooks become cheap and widely available in the US | Aug 20 00:52 |
| *FurnaceBoy used to run linuxppc on Power Computing ppc604 | Aug 20 00:52 | |
| FurnaceBoy | and Linux 2.2 on a Mac IIci :) | Aug 20 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | with X | Aug 20 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | both quite solid... | Aug 20 00:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Everyone Offers Collaboration Software, But Who Really Needs It? http://dlvr.it/417Mh | Aug 20 00:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | well, my GPU on the Mac is an old X1800 | Aug 20 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | so it's pretty much covered with the open source drivers | Aug 20 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | two things let you know you're on non-x86 Linux | Aug 20 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | 1. Things tend to work right | Aug 20 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | 2. No Wine | Aug 20 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 00:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | these days i'm only running linux on x86, but it works fine. because i use the system for work i don't mess too much with it. | Aug 20 00:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | biggest drama was the video card death :=X | Aug 20 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | Winamp now has WebM | Aug 20 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 20 01:01 |
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| oiaohm_ | http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2010/08/19/intel-to-acquire-mcafee | Aug 20 01:08 |
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| oiaohm_ | Wonder if intel got this for gpu accelerated anti-virus scanning. | Aug 20 01:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Aug 20 01:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The true face of the capitalist system http://bbc.in/bI0hRO | Aug 20 01:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft is Already Down-Speccing KINect, Loses an Exclusive http://techrights.org/2010/08/19/kinect-made-even-worse/ | Aug 20 01:11 | |
| FurnaceBoy | what a waste | Aug 20 01:11 |
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| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: it looks more like a basic investment, not for tech particularly | Aug 20 01:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] goes to put a pin in Larry Ellison voodoo doll. #oracle #java #solaris | Aug 20 01:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Just what I always wanted to do with my video card | Aug 20 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 20 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | We noticed you have 15 CPU cores, may we use 14 of them and 12 GB of RAM to look for viruses | Aug 20 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | (Norton 2020) | Aug 20 01:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | :| | Aug 20 01:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: well, that's Windows LIfe. you can always opt out. | Aug 20 01:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Whats the deal with Intel buying Mcaffle? | Aug 20 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | sowing confusion! | Aug 20 01:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Intel-McAfee-Deal-Could-Affect-Microsoft-Mobile-Plans-162980/ | Aug 20 01:19 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | the only reason to buy an antivirus company for the windows platform, is because Intel knows MS will never fix the security problems | Aug 20 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Aug 20 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's the first thing that comes to mind | Aug 20 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is why i tihnk it's purely just a business investment | Aug 20 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | not technologically strategic | Aug 20 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | just a place to put some cash | Aug 20 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | any future where AV is strategic is a very sad future indeed | Aug 20 01:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but still, McAffee faces too much competition from freeware antivirus venders, not to mention other platforms | Aug 20 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | I use the MSE 2.0 beta | Aug 20 01:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Just cannot see why Intel bought them | Aug 20 01:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | seems like a waste of money | Aug 20 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's so many free antiviruses that work | Aug 20 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | why do people buy subscriptiosn to bloated shit like Norton? | Aug 20 01:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and they are better too | Aug 20 01:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Intel + #McAfee? any future where #antivirus is strategic technology is a very sad future indeed. #microsoft #windows | Aug 20 01:23 | |
| FurnaceBoy | F-Secure was highly recommended to me. | Aug 20 01:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't understand the motive behind Intel's purchase | Aug 20 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: excess cash to invest? | Aug 20 01:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | seems like there would be better places to invest it in | Aug 20 01:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | outside of the windows OS, I doubt that antivirus sales are really profitable | Aug 20 01:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe for OS/2 back in its day | Aug 20 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | MSE and Avast 5 seem to have the least drag on your system | Aug 20 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | out of the freebies | Aug 20 01:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So Intel buys software for a platform (windows) that has declining market share | Aug 20 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: it won't decline too fast | Aug 20 01:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I used to think that way, but not so sure now, lets see how Android and Chrome do first | Aug 20 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | well Android is diff mkt. windows is on back foot there already. | Aug 20 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chrome? well... | Aug 20 01:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Chrome is still an unknown yet | Aug 20 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | the fact is browser never won on merit, or IE never would have got anywhere, | Aug 20 01:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Chrome OS | Aug 20 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | there were plenty of good browsers before Chrome | Aug 20 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh. on desktop? | Aug 20 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | that will take time to make a dent | Aug 20 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | mucho time | Aug 20 01:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe not | Aug 20 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | but of course it always was the wedge against windows | Aug 20 01:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | look at what Android is doing on the phone | Aug 20 01:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | next in line is tablets and maybe smartbooks | Aug 20 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, it's taken very long time to make any dent in windows share, and half of that they did themselves with vista... | Aug 20 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | so i don't expect thing to move fast unless OEM problem is fixed | Aug 20 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | THEN we see fireworks | Aug 20 01:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | exactly | Aug 20 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | so how does Intel's move look, without the OEM lockin? | Aug 20 01:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | thats what Android might do for Linux, break the OEM stanglehold | Aug 20 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | pretty good if McAfee has a linux roadmap, HAHAHA | Aug 20 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | and of course Intel Atom.. win... everything happens on intel proc | Aug 20 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | so they sell vertically... | Aug 20 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | what next.. Intel Linux and have the whole stack ? :D | Aug 20 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | that would actually be kinda nice. | Aug 20 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | cpu/chipset tuned kernel | Aug 20 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | intel drivers | Aug 20 01:31 |
| *FurnaceBoy dreams on | Aug 20 01:31 | |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: how will Android on mobile attack the desktop OEM problem? | Aug 20 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: if market share shifts away from desktops int he first place? | Aug 20 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | would need to be a big shift to really make microsoft notice | Aug 20 01:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | by establishing itself as the default OS on ARM computers | Aug 20 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | but the OEM money is desktops, if i'm not mistaken | Aug 20 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | mind you, i'd like to see desktop sales die | Aug 20 01:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | this in turn gets users hooked on Android, in time they want it for Intel computers | Aug 20 01:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're mostly completely unnecessary turnover | Aug 20 01:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | hmmmmmmmmmm | Aug 20 01:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: but you have 25 years of careful indoctrination and lockin to unwind | Aug 20 01:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | price matters | Aug 20 01:33 |
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| FurnaceBoy | true | Aug 20 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's a nice wedge | Aug 20 01:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if price did not matter, Apple would have 95% of the market here | Aug 20 01:34 |
| _Goblin | hi chips.... | Aug 20 01:34 |
| _Goblin | I think I will retire for the night. | Aug 20 01:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hey Goblin | Aug 20 01:35 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: you'd have to remove other market distortions first. | Aug 20 01:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: microsoft have laid a multidimensional sticky web here | Aug 20 01:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: nite | Aug 20 01:35 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: sorry to be rude, Im off to bed...Was talking to Roy until 4am yesterday..... | Aug 20 01:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | We will see, Android has momention. | Aug 20 01:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | No problem, Goblin | Aug 20 01:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: rude? not at all | Aug 20 01:35 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: really good evening/morning....brilliant time. I'll speak to all tomorrow fresher (and with a new PC Im buying!) gn all...take care.. | Aug 20 01:36 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | gn | Aug 20 01:36 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | it will take a long time for Intel to get its money back on that investment | Aug 20 01:39 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | MS had tried to move and take over antivirus software, with Onecare, which was a flop in sales. So with Intel buying McAffee, it would make them almost compediators. MS cannot or should not try to compete with Intel | Aug 20 01:42 |
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| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: OneCare flopped, but for some reason their new freeware is actually doing better | Aug 20 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | I mean as far as resource usage, virus detection, etc | Aug 20 01:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cause its freeware, and either bundled with windows or in autoupdates? | Aug 20 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think they would put less effort into freeware than they did with something that cost $30 a year | Aug 20 01:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | give it free at first to kill the competition, remember Netscape | Aug 20 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | well. You WOuld Think. | Aug 20 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it'll kill the competition | Aug 20 01:50 |
| oiaohm_ | The kill off plan does not seem to work. | Aug 20 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | people have this idea that the less something costs, the less valuable it is | Aug 20 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | so they probably do fall for the sales pitch with the expensive antivirus companies | Aug 20 01:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | some people,yess | Aug 20 01:51 |
| oiaohm_ | McAffee is not a worthless company from a tech point of view. Its supprising hard to make a effective anti-virus. | Aug 20 01:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | and once you've done it, what have you got? | Aug 20 01:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's obsolete in 2 days. | Aug 20 01:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | and just a parasitic product. | Aug 20 01:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | no better than what it 'protects' against, really | Aug 20 01:52 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember I said from a tech point of view. | Aug 20 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a scam attendant on the main scam = Windows | Aug 20 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | from a tech point of view AV is utterly boring | Aug 20 01:53 |
| oiaohm_ | If you are trying to design secure chips. | Aug 20 01:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oiaohm_> McAffee is not a worthless company from a tech point of view. Its supprising hard to make a effective anti-virus." Agreed, its not worthless, but has to be declining in value, as its host operating system loses market share | Aug 20 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | secure chips?! | Aug 20 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | i can't see any way that this is technologically interesting to intel. | Aug 20 01:53 |
| oiaohm_ | McAffee has long records of different attack methods. | Aug 20 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | then again, they're rich and i'm not. :D | Aug 20 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: maybe they have a linux roadmap. | Aug 20 01:54 |
| oiaohm_ | And large samples of code that could be used active. | Aug 20 01:54 |
| oiaohm_ | To test if the altrations chip design has worked. | Aug 20 01:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically intel could gut McAffee for there data. | Aug 20 01:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but I agree with DaemonFC, if I was still running Windows, some of the freeware Antivirus apps, like Avira Antivir, Avast, and even AVG are better and freeware | Aug 20 01:54 |
| oiaohm_ | The ammount intel spent for McAffee is not much to intel. | Aug 20 01:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what was it, 6.67 billion? | Aug 20 01:55 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep what intel could just write down and not notice. Chips_B_Malroy | Aug 20 01:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: right, it was probably just spare cash.. like i said.. | Aug 20 01:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Intel lost 10 billion on investments during the dot com bust | Aug 20 01:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: I don't think this is a technological action. just business. | Aug 20 01:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so it could be just another bad investment on Intel's part? | Aug 20 01:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | possibly. | Aug 20 01:56 |
| oiaohm_ | The data from McAffee on attacks that anti-viruses normally keep secret could be useful for Intel chip design departments. | Aug 20 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | $7b useful? | Aug 20 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | when malware hasn't even proven a market liability, least of all for intel | Aug 20 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | NOBODY blames intel for malware. most people don't even blame MS. | Aug 20 01:57 |
| oiaohm_ | It has proven a Liabbilty to intel. | Aug 20 01:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | "just a fact of life" | Aug 20 01:58 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie contracted to provide a secure system and fail comes with huge fines. | Aug 20 01:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If I had to guess, I would say, this purchase by Intel of McAffee, would convince me that Windows 8 will have the same security issures, and will still be running with Administrator rights. | Aug 20 01:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Intel now has everything in there own camp to be a full solution provider. | Aug 20 01:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *issues | Aug 20 01:59 |
| oiaohm_ | So McAffee alone might be worth nothing. | Aug 20 01:59 |
| oiaohm_ | The data from McAffee. The Linux kernel and intel chips. | Aug 20 02:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Everything you need to start building a fully secure solution. | Aug 20 02:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember intel is one of the major forces behind TPM chips. Chips_B_Malroy | Aug 20 02:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe they just need to make their own motherboards now | Aug 20 02:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as they make the cpu's and video chips | Aug 20 02:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Intel does make some of there own motherboards. | Aug 20 02:01 |
| oiaohm_ | As I said fully secure solution. All parts from one maker. | Aug 20 02:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: right, as i suggested above. | Aug 20 02:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: inlcuding, eventually, intel drivers and o/s | Aug 20 02:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS has always feared Intel for some reason | Aug 20 02:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | if they bought SUn hardware division, i could get behind that ;-) | Aug 20 02:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Sparc, yes | Aug 20 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyone other than freakin Larry | Aug 20 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | AMD .. where are you | Aug 20 02:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Anti-virus/scanning product with its hugh back data was the one thing it was missing. | Aug 20 02:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie intel was missing. | Aug 20 02:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Also nortons has to be shaking in there boots too. | Aug 20 02:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Think how many intel chipset motherboard ship with nortons demo disk. | Aug 20 02:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Court Says It's Okay To Secretly Record Conversation If Done For Legitimate Reasons http://dlvr.it/41DtQ | Aug 20 02:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Court Says It's Okay To Secretly Record Conversation If Done For Legitimate Reasons | Techdirt .::. Size~: 20.49 KB | Aug 20 02:04 |
| oiaohm_ | FurnaceBoy: you must have forgot Meego. Intel already has the OS bit covered. | Aug 20 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: desktops. | Aug 20 02:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Meego targets include desktops | Aug 20 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | for the vast bulk of users? | Aug 20 02:06 |
| oiaohm_ | As long term goal yes. | Aug 20 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | or niches? | Aug 20 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | ic | Aug 20 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | then Canonical should also worry ;-) | Aug 20 02:07 |
| oiaohm_ | The aquirement makes sence. | Aug 20 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, well, that's a relief... | Aug 20 02:07 |
| oiaohm_ | For the long term plans intel has. | Aug 20 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | except that consolidation is usually a problem eventually, no matter how brilliant | Aug 20 02:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Even better the value they payed is ammount they can just write off if it wrong. | Aug 20 02:08 |
| Aondo | i wonder when we will be able to get meego on new phones :D hope it isnt only going to be nokia tho | Aug 20 02:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes McAffee for there data had too low of a market value not to be taken. | Aug 20 02:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Aondo: as android tech merges back into main kernel one day meego and android will be able to run on the same hardware. | Aug 20 02:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie meego vs android is not either or. | Aug 20 02:10 |
| Aondo | so you think they will give the user a choice? | Aug 20 02:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Its possible. | Aug 20 02:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember the N900 can almost load what ever OS you like into it. | Aug 20 02:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oiaohm_> Aondo: as android tech merges back into main kernel" when that completely happens, will it become possilbe to run Android apps on community GNU distros? | Aug 20 02:11 |
| oiaohm_ | As long as it a Linux and its for arm chips. | Aug 20 02:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Chips_B_Malroy: maybe and I do mean maybe. There could be still userspace settings off blockign the cross. | Aug 20 02:12 |
| oiaohm_ | There is also many other interesting things coming. http://lwn.net/Articles/398470/ | Aug 20 02:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The IRMOS realtime scheduler [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 39.06 KB | Aug 20 02:13 |
| oiaohm_ | At long last a realtime scheduler designed not to cripple everything yet provide dependable realtime. | Aug 20 02:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cool | Aug 20 02:14 |
| Aondo | hmm | Aug 20 02:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Really meego vs android lot of MS support people are trying to prevent from happening. | Aug 20 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | Mono is targeting Meego desperately | Aug 20 02:16 |
| oiaohm_ | So is android DaemonFC | Aug 20 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | because they know they have no chance on hypephone, Windows Phone 7, or Android | Aug 20 02:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Its funny watching .net death throw. | Aug 20 02:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Did they not learn anything from visual basic. | Aug 20 02:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | when your only trick is lock-in, you're as doomed as a brontosaurus | Aug 20 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | open wins. it's rock-paper-scissors | Aug 20 02:20 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember Visual basic did not create real binaries instead wrapped over a hidden byte code. | Aug 20 02:21 |
| oiaohm_ | That was slow. | Aug 20 02:21 |
| oiaohm_ | .net basically has the same problem. | Aug 20 02:21 |
| oiaohm_ | slow and memory hungry. | Aug 20 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: that's a trick MS used even before 1980. | Aug 20 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: JIT. | Aug 20 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: it works | Aug 20 02:22 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The lock in (and lock out) killed off a few of MS compediators, like DRDOS for example. MS was such a fan of lock in and the three E's, that at some point, the lock in has come back around and is bitting them. | Aug 20 02:22 |
| oiaohm_ | JIT is still memory Hungry | Aug 20 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: proven in the 1990s with HotSpot | Aug 20 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: and now mature | Aug 20 02:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Even Hotspot | Aug 20 02:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | .NET is an example of lock in | Aug 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: they have ONLY lockin | Aug 20 02:23 |
| oiaohm_ | JIT has limits FurnaceBoy | Aug 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: HotSpot was only the first. the technology is long proven and mature. | Aug 20 02:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Even todays JIT has limits. | Aug 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure, but it works. | Aug 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | solves a problem | Aug 20 02:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Particularly shows it self on livecd. | Aug 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | we can move on | Aug 20 02:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Not it does not fully solve the problem. | Aug 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure | Aug 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | it solves enough of the problem that we can move on | Aug 20 02:23 |
| oiaohm_ | livecd don't have swap space. | Aug 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | JVM is highly mature tech | Aug 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | livecd is a tiny corner case. | Aug 20 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | do something else there, who cares | Aug 20 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | use bash for all i care | Aug 20 02:24 |
| oiaohm_ | livecd are also like moblie devices FurnaceBoy | Aug 20 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | mahcines are so fast today that it's a joke | Aug 20 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | well fine, but it's still a corner case. | Aug 20 02:24 |
| *FurnaceBoy isn't really interested in mobile. /me worries about servers and desktops | Aug 20 02:24 | |
| oiaohm_ | modile devices is to the point of being larger than desktop. | Aug 20 02:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Just installed linux on a laptop the other day. usally do not install a lot of games, but was curious about some of the newer bigger games. I must say, that Linux games have come a long way now | Aug 20 02:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Its no longer a small corner case. | Aug 20 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | i am not sure .NET's problems are performance at all. | Aug 20 02:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Its when you run low on resources. | Aug 20 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, ok...... | Aug 20 02:25 |
| oiaohm_ | What options the OS has. | Aug 20 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's not my area | Aug 20 02:25 |
| oiaohm_ | With static built binaries. | Aug 20 02:25 |
| oiaohm_ | or dyanmic buyilt normal binaries. | Aug 20 02:25 |
| oiaohm_ | You can kick the executable data out of memory at no price. | Aug 20 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure. | Aug 20 02:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Other than reloading it. | Aug 20 02:26 |
| oiaohm_ | JVM need to either rebuid the code or transfer it to swap space | Aug 20 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not aimed at tiny machines | Aug 20 02:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Both have a price. | Aug 20 02:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | .NET faces the same problems on windows as Java does on Linux, mostly native code works faster with less memory | Aug 20 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | but even bytecode is fast enough these days for tiny machines or livecd | Aug 20 02:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Not under memory stress. FurnaceBoy | Aug 20 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh | Aug 20 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | where does the memory stress come from? | Aug 20 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | an interpreter is small. | Aug 20 02:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Users opening too many programs. | Aug 20 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Aug 20 02:27 |
| voltronw | oiaohm_: do you have any graphs of how .net applications perform in low physical memory scenarios? | Aug 20 02:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Using a JIT you can run less programs with same ammount of mory. | Aug 20 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: sure, but again... with tiny machines you don't JIT. | Aug 20 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm_: big deal | Aug 20 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | is there a CLI way of setting regedit parameters in WINE? | Aug 20 02:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Best example and it history was Sun Project looking glass where they attempted a full JIT desktop voltronw | Aug 20 02:29 |
| voltronw | link | Aug 20 02:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Rebuilt using gcj to produce native code the thing would run fine from a livecd. | Aug 20 02:30 |
| oiaohm_ | At 128 megs of ram. | Aug 20 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is a good option | Aug 20 02:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Where you would need over 512 preferable 1gb with JIT. | Aug 20 02:30 |
| oiaohm_ | To even make it run voltronw | Aug 20 02:30 |
| voltronw | oiaohm_: it's fun to make up numbers isn't it? | Aug 20 02:30 |
| oiaohm_ | That is not made up numbers. | Aug 20 02:31 |
| oiaohm_ | There are bench marks running gcj against suns jvm in low memory. | Aug 20 02:31 |
| voltronw | link | Aug 20 02:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Every time gcj wins. | Aug 20 02:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Because kernel it self can control the memory under stress. | Aug 20 02:32 |
| oiaohm_ | And the kernel file maps normal executables code sections so it can also swap those parts in and out of memory automatically. | Aug 20 02:34 |
| oiaohm_ | With a JIT it simple works against the OS kernel design in low memoy voltronw | Aug 20 02:34 |
| voltronw | link | Aug 20 02:35 |
| oiaohm_ | And having to multi run JIT ends up costing more cpu cycles. voltronw | Aug 20 02:35 |
| oiaohm_ | If JIT trys to drop prebuilt parts. | Aug 20 02:35 |
| oiaohm_ | No trick for a JIT in low memory ends up winning voltronw | Aug 20 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | lmao, Ozzy Osbourne's Crazy Train as encoded by AoTuv to q6 ends up being 6.66 MB | Aug 20 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 20 02:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember native binaries were design for low memory events always. voltronw | Aug 20 02:36 |
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| oiaohm_ | And even moden day LInux kernel has got better at it. voltronw Using KSM on non disk backed data to reduce its size. | Aug 20 02:40 |
| voltronw | oiaohm_: these are all true statements | Aug 20 02:40 |
| voltronw | oiaohm_: do you have any kind of metrics to discuss? how much "better"? | Aug 20 02:40 |
| oiaohm_ | So reducing one of the advantages JIT was having with poorly built programs. | Aug 20 02:40 |
| oiaohm_ | The metrics are quite varable. | Aug 20 02:41 |
| oiaohm_ | It comes little down to how the jit responds. | Aug 20 02:41 |
| oiaohm_ | To how big of nightmare it causes. | Aug 20 02:41 |
| oiaohm_ | If jit fails to give up memory and OOM Killer kicks in. | Aug 20 02:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Processed end up dead so time measuring is no longer a factor. | Aug 20 02:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember when Linux kernel cannot find resources to free and its run out it turns nasty. | Aug 20 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox =zomgbloat! | Aug 20 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's what you get when the app was designed to be more portable, usually | Aug 20 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't run great anywhere | Aug 20 02:43 |
| oiaohm_ | Currently none of the converional jits tell the Linux kernel ok. You are out you can trash this data since I could regeneate that. voltronw | Aug 20 02:43 |
| oiaohm_ | Of course regerating comes at a price voltronw | Aug 20 02:44 |
| voltronw | oiaohm_: you don't have any actual data to link me to that shows comparisons of native vs jit runtime behavior do you? | Aug 20 02:44 |
| oiaohm_ | Problem is they are all different. | Aug 20 02:45 |
| voltronw | do you have any data for one? | Aug 20 02:45 |
| oiaohm_ | And its not by small ammount either. | Aug 20 02:45 |
| voltronw | ok. what is the size of this amount? | Aug 20 02:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Anything between 2 to 3 percent extra load to 400 percent extra load pass that is normally forced termination. | Aug 20 02:46 |
| voltronw | ok | Aug 20 02:47 |
| voltronw | link me to some data that says that | Aug 20 02:47 |
| voltronw | now | Aug 20 02:47 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes that is covering the range of different studies. | Aug 20 02:47 |
| voltronw | link me to ONE | Aug 20 02:47 |
| oiaohm_ | Some in house. | Aug 20 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | why am I blasting Ozzy Osbourne and drinking coffee? | Aug 20 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 02:47 |
| oiaohm_ | Nice interesting one was tomboy vs gnote. From the .net point of view. | Aug 20 02:48 |
| voltronw | link | Aug 20 02:48 |
| oiaohm_ | That one same function in both the gnote was less than 1/4 memory usage performing the same task. voltronw | Aug 20 02:48 |
| oiaohm_ | With most of that swapable under load. | Aug 20 02:48 |
| voltronw | link me to the document | Aug 20 02:48 |
| oiaohm_ | You will find that on the gnote project site if they still have it up. voltronw | Aug 20 02:49 |
| voltronw | no. you will find it and paste the link into irc | Aug 20 02:49 |
| oiaohm_ | Lot of stuff I have arcived. | Aug 20 02:49 |
| oiaohm_ | So those links are poinless to me. voltronw | Aug 20 02:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Besides old tests are not worth much anyhow voltronw | Aug 20 02:50 |
| voltronw | link me to one test | Aug 20 02:51 |
| oiaohm_ | If i was needing it for curent job I would dig out the test cases and run them again. voltronw | Aug 20 02:51 |
| voltronw | you need it, now, to validate the point you're trying to make on irc | Aug 20 02:51 |
| voltronw | so dig it out | Aug 20 02:51 |
| oiaohm_ | Guess how many of the tests I run I publish. | Aug 20 02:52 |
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| oiaohm_ | No I don't voltronw | Aug 20 02:52 |
| oiaohm_ | Its not that hard to set up the tests. | Aug 20 02:52 |
| voltronw | great, then it should be easy for you to set it up right now | Aug 20 02:52 |
| oiaohm_ | And if you run the tests yourself you cannot say I rigged them. | Aug 20 02:53 |
| oiaohm_ | Or that they are out of date. | Aug 20 02:53 |
| oiaohm_ | Really Its easy for you to setup. | Aug 20 02:53 |
| voltronw | you seem to think that i'm disagreeing with you, or otherwise arguing with you | Aug 20 02:53 |
| voltronw | i am not | Aug 20 02:53 |
| oiaohm_ | You know how to use qemu right? voltronw | Aug 20 02:53 |
| voltronw | *facepalm* | Aug 20 02:54 |
| oiaohm_ | and other memory restricting items. | Aug 20 02:54 |
| oiaohm_ | The issue is also something you need to see first hand because its not just the performance factor there are other effects. | Aug 20 02:55 |
| oiaohm_ | Some are quite interesting. | Aug 20 02:55 |
| voltronw | oiaohm_: what color is the sky on your planet? | Aug 20 02:55 |
| oiaohm_ | Some jits can screw up there memory clears under low memory event and end up removing buffers that they latter try to write to disk. | Aug 20 02:57 |
| oiaohm_ | As running the tests you get to see some interesting things that show clearly that is not only the jit design issue with low memory. But some people making jit are not testing in low memory event areas. voltronw | Aug 20 02:58 |
| voltronw | oiaohm_: do you have some kind of special irc client that doesn't show anything that people other than you have written? | Aug 20 02:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember I had this arguement and provided links with the guy incharge of mono.net already voltronw | Aug 20 03:00 |
| voltronw | this is not an argument. i agree that native code is faster. i also agree that water is wet. | Aug 20 03:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Thing you are not think about is the damage of these effects directly links to the workload you are trying todo. voltronw | Aug 20 03:01 |
| oiaohm_ | That is why the numbers are all over the place. | Aug 20 03:01 |
| voltronw | oiaohm_: what is the largest/most complex piece of software that you've built? | Aug 20 03:01 |
| oiaohm_ | That would be a complete student tracking system with payments with goverment data intergrations and course material delievery tracking covering over half million students. | Aug 20 03:03 |
| voltronw | in c, right? | Aug 20 03:03 |
| oiaohm_ | No | Aug 20 03:03 |
| Aondo | i'm suprised on how long time it takes to compile the linux kernel :P | Aug 20 03:03 |
| voltronw | what lang? | Aug 20 03:04 |
| oiaohm_ | That is not one single language project. voltronw | Aug 20 03:04 |
| voltronw | what languages? | Aug 20 03:04 |
| voltronw | do you have some kind of disease that prevents you from answering even the simplest of questions? | Aug 20 03:05 |
| oiaohm_ | There is a PHP, C++. C and Java Mobile for phone interface. Currently andorid is requested. | Aug 20 03:05 |
| oiaohm_ | And that is leaving out the database stored procedures. | Aug 20 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | Aondo: it's < 15 min here | Aug 20 03:06 |
| voltronw | i love that you're so passionate about 1% or 2% speed increases in native code | Aug 20 03:06 |
| voltronw | and that you're a php developer | Aug 20 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Aondo: on a 2006 pc | Aug 20 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Aondo: on a 2004 pc* | Aug 20 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | voltronw: presumably he cares more about client code. | Aug 20 03:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | voltronw: speaking of resource constraints, etc | Aug 20 03:07 |
| oiaohm_ | PHP on a server not a big issue because you normally don't hit memory stress. | Aug 20 03:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Same with java on the server | Aug 20 03:07 |
| oiaohm_ | The phones drive up walls at times. voltronw | Aug 20 03:08 |
| oiaohm_ | So I found it why the Java there was driving me up walls. | Aug 20 03:08 |
| voltronw | my phone can't drive | Aug 20 03:08 |
| voltronw | what phone do you have? | Aug 20 03:08 |
| Aondo | FurnaceBoy, i think the last time i did compile the kernel( on my old computer) the tar file was about 30MB, it's now the double, and even with a fast computer it still takes some time hehe | Aug 20 03:08 |
| voltronw | does it have wheels? | Aug 20 03:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Don't joke to much. | Aug 20 03:08 |
| oiaohm_ | One of the iphones docks into robot so yes it can drive. voltronw | Aug 20 03:09 |
| voltronw | that's pretty badass | Aug 20 03:09 |
| oiaohm_ | I am plaining an android version. | Aug 20 03:09 |
| voltronw | an android robot? | Aug 20 03:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep an wheel android phone dock. | Aug 20 03:10 |
| oiaohm_ | So you can have the phone drive from you desk to someone else desk pickup data or item and come back. | Aug 20 03:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes I am sometimes insanly lazy. | Aug 20 03:11 |
| voltronw | both physically and intellectually? | Aug 20 03:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Sometimes. | Aug 20 03:11 |
| oiaohm_ | You don't work in IT not to have scripts do a section of your job for you. voltronw | Aug 20 03:13 |
| voltronw | you should rewrite them all in c! scripts are too slow! | Aug 20 03:13 |
| oiaohm_ | I do have some scripts in c | Aug 20 03:13 |
| voltronw | unless you write csh scripts, because csh is c and c is fast! | Aug 20 03:14 |
| oiaohm_ | Using tcc by the way. | Aug 20 03:14 |
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| oiaohm_ | csh is slow. voltronw | Aug 20 03:14 |
| voltronw | how can i be slow? c is fast? | Aug 20 03:14 |
| voltronw | 400% faster! | Aug 20 03:14 |
| oiaohm_ | Because csh is no the c programing language. | Aug 20 03:15 |
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| voltronw | it's not?! | Aug 20 03:15 |
| voltronw | why is it called c shell? | Aug 20 03:15 |
| oiaohm_ | It bit like java and javascript | Aug 20 03:15 |
| oiaohm_ | You would not call javascript java right. | Aug 20 03:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | Just like you don't call csh C | Aug 20 03:16 |
| oiaohm_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_shell C shell is to bring the syntax of C to shell scripting. voltronw | Aug 20 03:17 |
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| oiaohm_ | Not the native code production so its slow as dog. | Aug 20 03:17 |
| oiaohm_ | If you want a shell that is truly c you use a program call tcc | Aug 20 03:17 |
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| oiaohm_ | Heck tccboot was even more wraped a boot loader that built the Linux kernel from source on fly voltronw | Aug 20 03:18 |
| voltronw | YOU DID IT | Aug 20 03:20 |
| voltronw | YOU POSTED A LINK | Aug 20 03:20 |
| voltronw | i knew you could do it man | Aug 20 03:20 |
| voltronw | i just want to let you know that i'm proud of you | Aug 20 03:20 |
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| DaemonFC | I prefer zsh | Aug 20 03:33 |
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| oiaohm_ | voltronw: that is not archived data. | Aug 20 03:40 |
| oiaohm_ | That is a simple wikipedia search. voltronw | Aug 20 03:40 |
| oiaohm_ | I do put links in here. From time to time. Normally simple to get at stuff. | Aug 20 03:40 |
| oiaohm_ | The stuff that takes major reserch effort I don't give away simply. | Aug 20 03:41 |
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| oiaohm_ | Ie pay me to give a formal presitation on the flaws in jit's and my list of research data shows up. voltronw | Aug 20 03:42 |
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| oiaohm_ | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODUyNg Great here we go again. KDE and Gnome with competing interface techs again. | Aug 20 03:50 |
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| DaemonFC | I must have blinked and missed it | Aug 20 04:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @claudiom Oh, Steve Gibson, tell me again how closed, proprietary software is so much more secure than #FLOSS... http://ur1.ca/16o5y | Aug 20 06:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Patent 5,966,702 - Method and apparatus for pre-processing and packaging class files http://tinyurl.com/26baczb #swpat #fail | Aug 20 07:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Still one of my fave songs in the world: http://is.gd/eqEJ3 #awesome | Aug 20 08:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Thanks for all the congratulations and best wishes, both private and public, you guys are awesome! | Aug 20 08:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Now UN-installing Google Video Chat plug-in. It is not an OpenSource Software I guess. | Aug 20 09:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz for a second I read "Google Ad Support" ;-) | Aug 20 09:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] We want this in Delhi too easyauto.in | Aug 20 09:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "[...] this suit is the equivalent of dropping a neutron bomb on the open source" movement." #ORCL v #GOOG http://is.gd/er0x7 | Aug 20 10:49 | |
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| oiaohm_ | Boy people are still mixing up copyright and patents. | Aug 20 11:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Clean room reversing only helps against copyright not patents. | Aug 20 11:06 |
| oiaohm_ | So what was done with the PC Bios does not apply to the patents. | Aug 20 11:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 20/8/2010: Google Chat Now on GNU/Linux, GNOME 2.32 Beta http://techrights.org/2010/08/20/gnome-2-32-beta/ | Aug 20 11:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @reality ♻ @OldHoborn: Is there a date set yet for scrapping all those laws that #ConDems PROMISED they would? Is there? Who should I ... | Aug 20 11:13 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: I think Oracle uses copyrights with swpats just for more 'teeth' | Aug 20 11:17 |
| schestowitz | But still, the net effect is similar and Java is/was supposed to be GPLv2-licensed | Aug 20 11:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Java status never changed. | Aug 20 11:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Root-privileges-through-Linux-kernel-bug-Update-1061563.html | Aug 20 11:21 |
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| oiaohm_ | That secuirty problem was feared it would turn up schestowitz | Aug 20 11:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Main reason to kernel modem memory management of video cards. | Aug 20 11:22 |
| oiaohm_ | modem/mode | Aug 20 11:22 |
| oiaohm_ | My english is off at the moment. | Aug 20 11:22 |
| schestowitz | why was it so secretive though? | Aug 20 11:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: it's all right | Aug 20 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Only Diablo trolls about it | Aug 20 11:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Everyone in the secuirty world was expect it to happen at some point. | Aug 20 11:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: I have a techincal question | Aug 20 11:23 |
| oiaohm_ | X11 server running as root is always going to be a nightmare risk. | Aug 20 11:23 |
| schestowitz | about graphics... | Aug 20 11:24 |
| schestowitz | In a sense | Aug 20 11:24 |
| oiaohm_ | Question schestowitz The suspence is killing me. | Aug 20 11:24 |
| schestowitz | If I plug in a second monitor and it gives wave, then I smell a toasted component, what's the likely cause/ | Aug 20 11:24 |
| schestowitz | I usually use my bit LCD and other CRTs around it | Aug 20 11:25 |
| schestowitz | One of my LCDs turned problematic recently, I got another one | Aug 20 11:25 |
| oiaohm_ | So crt screen. | Aug 20 11:25 |
| schestowitz | And today a CRT went bad | Aug 20 11:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes, the toasted one | Aug 20 11:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Flyback tranformes. | Aug 20 11:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Most common. | Aug 20 11:26 |
| schestowitz | And 2 days ago I dumped into the trash a perfectly fine IBM CRT | Aug 20 11:26 |
| schestowitz | I didn't think I'd need it | Aug 20 11:26 |
| oiaohm_ | First smell of toasted | Aug 20 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | Another CRT thrown weeks ago | Aug 20 11:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Then when you get wet weather hising and poping. | Aug 20 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, flyback things | Aug 20 11:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Then finally on a really wet day a H2 02 to H20 fireball. | Aug 20 11:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @robilad Nice to see the first HotSpot changeset by Andrew Haley from Red Hat go in: http://is.gd/er6jE | Aug 20 11:27 | |
| schestowitz | So many bad and thrown out screens for me recently - 3 or 4 this month | Aug 20 11:27 |
| oiaohm_ | So finally toasting the CRT and scaring the living heck out of you. | Aug 20 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | Must be global warming /sarcasm | Aug 20 11:27 |
| oiaohm_ | I have had a 42 inch CRT screen do that recently too. | Aug 20 11:27 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: no, just smelling the smoke | Aug 20 11:28 |
| schestowitz | No blowups | Aug 20 11:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Its starts there. | Aug 20 11:28 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, I'm on one screen at the moment, it's hard | Aug 20 11:28 |
| oiaohm_ | smell is the insulation burning off the flyback. | Aug 20 11:28 |
| schestowitz | I can't even use my mail client properly | Aug 20 11:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Normally. | Aug 20 11:28 |
| oiaohm_ | And once that is so far gone. | Aug 20 11:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Add wet weather and the other effects start kicking in. | Aug 20 11:28 |
| schestowitz | I'll grab another CRT from my mom tonight | Aug 20 11:29 |
| oiaohm_ | It can take up to 6 to 8 months for the insulation to get bad from first sign. | Aug 20 11:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie boom is not likely soon thank god. | Aug 20 11:29 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: but still, the screen doesn't | Aug 20 11:29 |
| schestowitz | *work | Aug 20 11:29 |
| schestowitz | I suppose it's dead now,with some bad fuse/diode | Aug 20 11:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Maybe the safe guards kicked in. | Aug 20 11:30 |
| oiaohm_ | The 42 inch a person had replaced the fuse with nails. | Aug 20 11:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Down right scary bugger as if CRT screens were not life threating enough. | Aug 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | What res does it reach | Aug 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I have a CRT that can do 2500px across, almost | Aug 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Dell 22' | Aug 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Flatscreens suck for high res | Aug 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe OK for people with poor eyesight | Aug 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I always max the res for productivity | Aug 20 11:32 |
| oiaohm_ | It was a old dec alpha screen 42 inch screen for cad work. | Aug 20 11:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Scarly it was around 5000 px accross | Aug 20 11:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Finding a card to drive it proper with opengl support would be a little hard. | Aug 20 11:36 |
| schestowitz | "Stop Oracle (@Stop_Oracle) is now following your tweets (@schestowitz) on Twitter. " | Aug 20 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Miguel has been promoting this | Aug 20 11:39 |
| schestowitz | As long as it's not Novell, he's OK with that | Aug 20 11:39 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: I wish mobo VGA and 2 outputs from GPU could do triple-head | Aug 20 11:40 |
| schestowitz | But AFAIK it needs two GPUs of a similar make | Aug 20 11:40 |
| schestowitz | And I can't believe I have 1 screen left today, until tonight | Aug 20 11:41 |
| schestowitz | I've used dual-head since I was a teenager | Aug 20 11:41 |
| schestowitz | I now learn COmpiz tricks to make good use of space | Aug 20 11:41 |
| oiaohm_ | Note the old dec is the old BNC connects. | Aug 20 11:42 |
| schestowitz | What's that? Looks up.......... | Aug 20 11:45 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_connector | Aug 20 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Holy ancient, batman | Aug 20 11:46 |
| schestowitz | how many fps? | Aug 20 11:46 |
| schestowitz | "The connector was named after its bayonet mount locking mechanism and its inventors, Paul Neill and Carl Concelman.[citation needed] Neill worked at Bell Labs and also invented the N connector; Concelman worked at Amphenol and also invented the C connector." | Aug 20 11:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Note I said connects. schestowitz | Aug 20 11:47 |
| oiaohm_ | It has like 8 BNC on the back to carry the video data. | Aug 20 11:47 |
| oiaohm_ | And was able todo over 150 fps at max res. | Aug 20 11:48 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes ancient very fast batman. | Aug 20 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=ro&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Feconomie.hotnews.ro%2Fstiri-finante_banci-7710486-germania-datoreaza-bnr-peste-18-miliarde-euro-banii-reprezinta-datorii-neachitate-dintr-contract-semnat-1939.htm&sl=ro&tl=en&act=url | Aug 20 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | "Germany owes over 18 billion NBR. Banii reprezinta datorii neachitate dintr-un contract semnat in 1939 The money is unpaid debt from a contract signed in 1939" | Aug 20 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Lots of electricity too I bet. CRT... | Aug 20 11:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rsandu Historical debts http://tinyurl.com/332mrgt #romania | Aug 20 11:58 | |
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| oiaohm_ | 85 KG screen schestowitz. Power was not the worry it is if anyone go the idea of moving it. | Aug 20 12:00 |
| cubezzz | finally got the mechanical switcher working | Aug 20 12:01 |
| cubezzz | so I'm back on fc1 w00t :) | Aug 20 12:02 |
| schestowitz | with flaws | Aug 20 12:02 |
| cubezzz | the only fc I like | Aug 20 12:02 |
| oiaohm_ | fc 4 was ok | Aug 20 12:02 |
| cubezzz | now I can play eus without messing around | Aug 20 12:03 |
| schestowitz | what's EUS? | Aug 20 12:04 |
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| cubezzz | eric's ultimate solitaire | Aug 20 12:04 |
| cubezzz | old Loki game | Aug 20 12:04 |
| cubevector | but that is for later :) | Aug 20 12:05 |
| cubevector | I'm still learning new things about fc1 | Aug 20 12:06 |
| cubevector | it was a pain trying to use the scanner via ssh | Aug 20 12:07 |
| cubevector | and looking at graphics was so slow | Aug 20 12:08 |
| cubevector | the switcher is quite old | Aug 20 12:11 |
| cubevector | has the old DIN connectors for keyboard and de9 for mouse | Aug 20 12:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/18/police_online_images_warning/ | Aug 20 12:12 |
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| cubevector | did that Xorg bug effect the BSD(s)? | Aug 20 12:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Sadly it appears that twidge can't do ! groups, it thinks it's a command, its also setup mainly for twitter | Aug 20 12:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] If you still run Red Hat Enterprise Linux Version 3, you should read this http://is.gd/ereje - RHEL3 is EOL in a few months, so prepare! | Aug 20 12:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Florian Mueller injects Microsoft lnto IDG and then goes furhter with comments http://ur1.ca/16uco #lobbying #rand #microsoft #swpats | Aug 20 12:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Quoting fellow Red Hatter on INTEL buying McAfee: "Wow, that's a lot of money to fix Microsofts broken software" #nod | Aug 20 12:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US combat forces pull out of Iraq http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_combat_forces_pull_out_of_Iraq?dpl_id=201533 #Iraq #perpetualwar | Aug 20 12:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Felicia Day's Success With The Guild Highlights The Importance Of Authenticity With A Community http://dlvr.it/42Cg1 | Aug 20 12:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Julian Assange wins Sam Adams Award for Integrity http://bit.ly/bvxHYO | Aug 20 12:48 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/08/13/Nazis-in-a-Teapot | Aug 20 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | Does he not know that Michael Gartenberg is a former Microsoft whose job is to smear Android/Linux/ | Aug 20 13:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Poor Florian. Even ECIS paints him as a Microsoft shill and there too he makes no attempts to deny it http://ur1.ca/16uly #lobby #microsoft | Aug 20 13:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] vServer provider asks me to put root password in support ticket as mandatory info. #privacy #security #fail | Aug 20 13:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] How can I tell Pino to *always* post with my identi.ca account? Hrmbl. | Aug 20 13:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'Headlines For 2011 Far More Likely Than 'Brett Favre Actually Retires' : NPR' http://is.gd/ertsc | Aug 20 14:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Seems competition helped FourSquare: The Positive Pull of Competition by @ron_miller. http://bit.ly/bprunb #facebook #geolocation | Aug 20 14:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Should We Be Interested In 'Saving' Any Industry? http://dlvr.it/42PM8 | Aug 20 14:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @wbms: How to get upgraded to First Class - http://bit.ly/a6WYdl Me: And never forget, miles, miles, miles. | Aug 20 14:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Linux Foundation offers help in tracking open source license compliance from @deele http://bit.ly/cH4dsh | Aug 20 15:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @speakerbox: AARP wins again in the magazine race http://bit.ly/cBGTVo The biggest loser? Newsweek with a whopping 40 percent decline. | Aug 20 15:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'Intel's McAfee Buyout to Bring Embedded Security to Universe of Smart Devices' http://is.gd/erza1 This makes sense to me. | Aug 20 15:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @jzb: Have I mentioned @ohiolinux registration is open? Spread the word to meet Sept. 10-12 in Columbus, OH! http://ur1.ca/16p46 #Linux | Aug 20 15:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'Net Neutrality: Threat or Menace?' http://is.gd/erzVT Heh. Wish I'd written this one. | Aug 20 15:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] There oughta be a law against shovelware on new PCs http://is.gd/erA3J Amen brother! Starting with Windows! ;-) | Aug 20 15:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Checking Out Video Game Chat, For Business Reasons - @jenz514 Semantic Web http://bit.ly/d3c2lx | Aug 20 15:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Is Oracle building its own software stack? http://bit.ly/baLH2h Sure looks like it. #Oracle by @sjvn | Aug 20 15:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Film maker Michael More to contribute to Bradley Manning defense fund http://bit.ly/bbsEfU - what about you? | Aug 20 16:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @deborahgage: Why we have trouble saving energy http://is.gd/erHCX | Aug 20 16:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Can you really open a padlock with a gun shot?http://is.gd/erI7E Today's amusing tech. | Aug 20 16:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Our big guns in defeating prior restraint: You. Latest WikiLeaks 'insurance' file now has over 100,000 downloads. | Aug 20 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/DavidGaleUK/statuses/21656681511 "You'll like this www.tadag.com Feel free to pass on on your blog!" | Aug 20 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Another Microsoft roadkill, just like i4i. Microsoft pretended to be an i4i partner, got a look at their idea, and then nicked it | Aug 20 16:33 |
| MinceR | like Stac? | Aug 20 16:38 |
| schestowitz | And many others, i4i is recent | Aug 20 16:40 |
| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/08/18/surviving-and-thriving-with-gnulinux-in-education/ Surviving and Thriving with GNU/Linux in Education | Aug 20 16:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Lol RT @NixiePixel: My fortune cookie tonight said: ‘Outlook not so good’. I replied: ‘Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway’. | Aug 20 16:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @MitchWagner: iPad assists poison control for BP oil spill victims @Computerworld http://ow.ly/2sqOh | Aug 20 16:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @georgevhulme: @sjvn isn't that a firewall? It's a way to have your firewall and get through it, when needed, at the same time. | Aug 20 17:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Chrome OS Tablet coming from Google and Verizon in November http://ur1.ca/16wgf Google and Verizon have other stuff in pipeline.... | Aug 20 17:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Shocking: #mainframe trojan may have contributed to fatal Spanair crash that killed 154 people http://bit.ly/c6oIxY #ibm #eu | Aug 20 17:22 | |
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| DaemonFC_ | uhhm | Aug 20 17:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC_: hi | Aug 20 17:24 |
| DaemonFC_ | well, this is odd | Aug 20 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I gotta go | Aug 20 17:24 |
| DaemonFC_ | brb after I figure this out | Aug 20 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Just q quick thing I found | Aug 20 17:24 |
| schestowitz | ok, bbl | Aug 20 17:24 |
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| DaemonFC_ | ok, this is obviously wrong | Aug 20 17:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @FOSSpatents I don't see the word 'mainframe' anywhere in the story or its links. What's described sounds more like a Windows PC. | Aug 20 17:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | That's better | Aug 20 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | if this thing was any more confusing it would be Pidgin | Aug 20 17:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @sjvn I quoted ZDNet. El País: "el ordenador central de la compañía Spanair" = Spanair's central computer. Airlines typically use mainframes | Aug 20 17:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @FOSSpatents Could be. But, it was the 'monitor' computer that was infected with Trojans. I suspect a Windows PC used as a mainframe gateway | Aug 20 17:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @TNLNYC Do you make or market? bit.ly/cNCz9H #makers #socialmedia | Aug 20 17:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @sjvn ZDNet: "Spanair's mainframe was contaminated with Trojans at the time". Do I trust ZDNet too much? We'll find out soon. | Aug 20 17:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] EPUB: The final barrier for Kindle Adoption http://is.gd/erVeD #eBook #Kindle | Aug 20 17:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @sjvn The mainframe was supposed to raise the alarm => theoretically a frontend can also raise an alarm but usually it's the central system. | Aug 20 17:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] @FOSSpatents In any case, the system was updated over 24-hours later. Seems more of a policy than a system problem. | Aug 20 17:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Do US Visa Documents Have A Typo? http://dlvr.it/42krW | Aug 20 18:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @sjvn Security is always a matter of policy as well: failure to install security patches, bad password choices. I didn't say mainframe bug. | Aug 20 18:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Who owns this phone anyway? Why do Apple feel they have the right to control the device YOU PAID FOR? http://bit.ly/a26fNh | Aug 20 18:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] RT @smheadhunter: Funny. I had no idea. Over 2 years, I earned over $5000 at Techdirt's Insight Community. http://insightcommunity.com/ | Aug 20 19:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Guy Sues Online Game Company NCSoft, Saying That Lineage II Is Too Addictive http://dlvr.it/42rGz | Aug 20 19:13 | |
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| schestowitz | I got dual head sorted out again, old screen is dead. | Aug 20 19:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] While bavarian beer gets me in Straubing - should I start a podcast? Weekly Evangelist? #lazyweb? | Aug 20 19:51 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi Ryan | Aug 20 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My new Sansa Clip+ is here :) | Aug 20 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Not only is Ogg Vorbis and FLAC printed on the box under Supported Formats.... | Aug 20 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | they dropped support for AAC entirely | Aug 20 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 20 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | their official reason was that it takes more RAM to decode than the device has | Aug 20 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | (2 MB) | Aug 20 19:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] At Oktoberfest we have original Bavarian hacker beer. Care to join? | Aug 20 19:53 | |
| DaemonFC | but I'm sure they weren't wanting to pay the AAC tax either | Aug 20 19:53 |
| schestowitz | http://reason.com/archives/2010/08/16/the-governments-license-to-ste | Aug 20 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Just found it | Aug 20 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | I know for a fact you can decode AAC with under 2 MB of RAM | Aug 20 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | because Rockbox can do it on players with less than that | Aug 20 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm thinking it was mostly to avoid the AAC tax without enraging MPEG-LA by stating that as the official reason | Aug 20 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | what is that? like $1.50 on every player you sell? | Aug 20 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | not cheap | Aug 20 19:55 |
| schestowitz | http://crenk.com/ubuntu-10-0-4-lucid-lynx-update-is-here/ | Aug 20 19:55 |
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| DaemonFC | it's more expensive to license AAC than MP3 | Aug 20 19:57 |
| schestowitz | http://celticshub.com/2010/08/19/destination-unknown-rudy-rudy-rudy-rudy-to-soho/ "Ubuntu ‘tude." | Aug 20 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC | I think MP3 decoder costs 75 cents per unit | Aug 20 19:57 |
| schestowitz | But why talk about PMP? | Aug 20 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | more about MPEG-LA | Aug 20 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice to be able to buy something that avoids them totally | Aug 20 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Aug 20 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's license for PlaysForSure used to state that the device couldn't play any formats not approved by Microsoft | Aug 20 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | so iriver ditched Vorbis and FLAC | Aug 20 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | then brought htem back after a US judge got pissed at Microsoft and made them change the license | Aug 20 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft blamed the "misunderstanding" on an intern | Aug 20 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | PlaysForSure was more about taking over all PMPs than it was about DRM | Aug 20 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | but it had DRM too | Aug 20 20:02 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Launches-Linux-Video-and-Voice-Plugin-for-Gmail-152967.shtml | Aug 20 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | Now you can chat with yr' m8s on teh lunix | Aug 20 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | FINALLY | Aug 20 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's not Lunix, it's GNU/GNU/GNU/GNU/Lunix | Aug 20 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | LULZ! | Aug 20 20:03 |
| schestowitz | PlaysForSure was about screwing partners | Aug 20 20:03 |
| schestowitz | NoSoSure though | Aug 20 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Can has teh busted ass ALSA! | Aug 20 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, between a number of court setbacks and general public backlash against DRM, PlaysForSure fell through | Aug 20 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | that's when the Zune came along | Aug 20 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft figured that since they couldn't subvert other hardware, they'd just make their own and spread it via dirty tricks | Aug 20 20:04 |
| schestowitz | It has anew name | Aug 20 20:04 |
| schestowitz | And MSN Music collapsed too | Aug 20 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Join the DRM 'treadmill' | Aug 20 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Zune never came along | Aug 20 20:05 |
| schestowitz | And it's going away soon | Aug 20 20:05 |
| schestowitz | It's unfit to live | Aug 20 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | right, my dad was talking about DRM before there were any music stores selling any tracks with it | Aug 20 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | because Thomson helped Microsoft make WM-DRM | Aug 20 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Intel bough McAfee | Aug 20 20:05 |
| schestowitz | DRM in hardware | Aug 20 20:06 |
| schestowitz | To 'protect; | Aug 20 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | he said it was basically a way to sell you the same songs over and over again now that the media isn't as defective as it used to be | Aug 20 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I spoke about it over dinner with an Intel employee today | Aug 20 20:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: of course | Aug 20 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Lifetime for songs | Aug 20 20:06 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: That was I was fearing it will happen... | Aug 20 20:06 |
| gnufreex | DRM in hardware is ultimate evil | Aug 20 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I still occasionally listen to song I got 10 years ago | Aug 20 20:06 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: its already therer | Aug 20 20:07 |
| gnufreex | In HDMI? | Aug 20 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I had MP3 players before anyone else even knew what the hell they were | Aug 20 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Not Intel can lock up hardware when McAfee thinks it should | Aug 20 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | thanks to those demo units my dad got to take home when he worked for Thomson | Aug 20 20:07 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: You mean in Intel CPUs? | Aug 20 20:07 |
| schestowitz | The other day on the train I spoke to a guy from a startup who tries to freeze programs if the exes/dlls change | Aug 20 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Evil | Aug 20 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Then I asks him, "why not abandon Windows?" | Aug 20 20:08 |
| schestowitz | (asked | Aug 20 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | you mean a built in MD5SUM or something? | Aug 20 20:08 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: viiv | Aug 20 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | if the sum changes, it forces the program to crash | Aug 20 20:08 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: But that crap doesn't work in Linux? | Aug 20 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | that's been around for a while | Aug 20 20:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000030 | Aug 20 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | "And what are the real stories on LaGrande, Trusted Computing, Viiv and Intel's DRM support?" (2006) | Aug 20 20:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-discontinues-Itanium-and-SPARC-support-in-Ubuntu-1062860.html | Aug 20 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntil | Aug 20 20:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @jwildeboer: oh the envy! | Aug 20 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | Like Wintel | Aug 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | RHEL doesn't support them either | Aug 20 20:09 |
| schestowitz | "We're like Debian but we only approve x86 :-)" | Aug 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | RHEL 6 drops Itanic | Aug 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 20:09 |
| schestowitz | SUSE does | Aug 20 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Still | Aug 20 20:09 |
| schestowitz | SPARC - not surer | Aug 20 20:09 |
| schestowitz | *(sure | Aug 20 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Oracle continues to go along with SPARC | Aug 20 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | Oracle has basically taken a nice big shit all over Java's credibility as free software | Aug 20 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | so they've probably cast doubt on all their other stuff too | Aug 20 20:10 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Critical-Vulnerability-Silently-Patched-in-Linux-Kernel-152678.shtml | Aug 20 20:11 |
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| DaemonFC | the fate of SPARC is pretty much all decided by whatever Oracle chooses to do with it | Aug 20 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think you can buy SPARC systems from anyone else | Aug 20 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Mainframe-like mode | Aug 20 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | can you? | Aug 20 20:11 |
| schestowitz | IBM's Power | Aug 20 20:11 |
| gnufreex | Fujitsu | Aug 20 20:11 |
| gnufreex | SPARC64 | Aug 20 20:11 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 20 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | Fujitsu does a lot of patent trolling | Aug 20 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | and Microsoft collaberations | Aug 20 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure if they or Oracle should scare you worse | Aug 20 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | SPARC is basically a dead platform | Aug 20 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | because few things can be that closed and survive | Aug 20 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | especially with cheap x86, and plenty of good SPARC alternatives | Aug 20 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | PPC, MIPS, etc | Aug 20 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | ARM | Aug 20 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Windows doesn't run on it, RHEL will not longer be an option when you buy the hardware | Aug 20 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | You might be able to format over Solaris and toss Debian on it, but most users won't | Aug 20 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | the whole point of Solaris/SPARC is the "support contract" | Aug 20 20:14 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: Last year, I would argue with you. But now Oracle started leasing SPARC firmware on subscriprion basis. You don't pay, you lose firmware license. And server is paper weight. | Aug 20 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | Oracle is basically trying to take back Solaris and make sure you can only get it on SPARC | Aug 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | but nobody really wants either | Aug 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | so hoarding it won't do any good for them | Aug 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're licensing the microcode for the CPU? | Aug 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | god damn | Aug 20 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 20:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/1j3fac I've got an article to write regarding the sale of this pc to me. MS tax, a sad indictment of today pc sales. | Aug 20 20:16 | |
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| gnufreex | DaemonFC: Not microcode, firmware, and botloader is in Firmware on SPARC. Also, there is hypervisor in firmware. | Aug 20 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | my dual G4 Mac is the most seamless Linux/hardware experience I've ever had | Aug 20 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | no complaints there at all | Aug 20 20:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] But what is more surprising is the alleged specs Comet tell you Windows needs for the most simple tasks. | Aug 20 20:17 | |
| gnufreex | LDOM is in firmware in SPARC machines. | Aug 20 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | so basically if it doesn't recognize the bootloader and firmware as from Oracle, it will refuse to go any further | Aug 20 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Aug 20 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | Why do people want to deal with this again? | Aug 20 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | even Microsoft doesn't do that to you | Aug 20 20:19 |
| gnufreex | That is what I think. Luckily, I don't have SPARCs at work anymore | Aug 20 20:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I will also document and record the complete removal of Windows 7, I don't need or want it...why do I have to still pay for it? | Aug 20 20:21 | |
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| gnufreex | DaemonFC: Oracle now made harware support contract mandatory. That is what friend told me. He has SPARCs at work. If he lied me, I am lying. | Aug 20 20:21 |
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| cubevector | if you have Sparc just run Linux on it | Aug 20 20:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Oh and on the way home.....pics to follow....by popular demand! | Aug 20 20:22 | |
| schestowitz | [20:12] <DaemonFC> I'm not sure if they or Oracle should scare you worse | Aug 20 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Oracle is the one holding the future of many FOSS projects in its hands | Aug 20 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | [03:16:47] <gnufreex> DaemonFC: Not microcode, firmware, and botloader is in Firmware on SPARC. Also, there is hypervisor in firmware. | Aug 20 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not sure what he said | Aug 20 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | but Linux on those platforms have a micro-bootloader | Aug 20 20:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin in the UK, for OS-less PC, try Novatech | Aug 20 20:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] German Photographer Plans To Add Back In Buildings That Opt-Out Of Google Street View http://dlvr.it/42ydK | Aug 20 20:25 | |
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| gnufreex | IIRC, Linux runs inside LDOM on SPARC. And LDOM is embeded in firmware. | Aug 20 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: well | Aug 20 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | not from what Ive heard | Aug 20 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its some silent dummy bootloader | Aug 20 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know what the name of it is | Aug 20 20:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | but, generally, any "big iron" hardware has the hypervisor (if there is one) and the bootloader in hardware/firmware | Aug 20 20:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | IBM supercomputers do it too | Aug 20 20:27 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, PowerVM is in firmware | Aug 20 20:27 |
| gnufreex | Alos, they have PowerHA in firmware too. | Aug 20 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'd be the only way to handle it | Aug 20 20:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz yeah, its just so convenient to walk into a local store. People shouldn't have to pay ms tax. I am going to try for a refund. | Aug 20 20:28 | |
| Diablo-D3 | traditional OS can't handle this stuff | Aug 20 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, the really really bug POWER boxes handle OS instances like an OS would handle threads. | Aug 20 20:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/1j3h8y | Aug 20 20:29 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | they move them from machine to machine, you can hotplug CPU modules, or entire machines | Aug 20 20:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | of course, xen is starting to add some of the same shit | Aug 20 20:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Anyone managed to get a refund for unwanted Windows 7? #microsoft #mvp | Aug 20 20:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin post the results online for extra pressure. The backlash/Slashdot mob helped against PC World 3 years ago | Aug 20 20:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cloud Linux is trying hard to replace CentOS as de facto RHEL clone http://ur1.ca/16xu6 #redhat #linux | Aug 20 20:31 | |
| gnufreex | What Citrix does aside Xen? | Aug 20 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | technically xen is done by xensource, inc | Aug 20 20:32 |
| gnufreex | I only know they have some app delivery platform, and Xen. | Aug 20 20:32 |
| gnufreex | I know they bought Xen along with XenSource. | Aug 20 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | citrix is somewhat of an extra-Microsoft department | Aug 20 20:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin they make it hard, e.g. http://ur1.ca/16xv6 http://ur1.ca/qhfe http://ur1.ca/16xv7 | Aug 20 20:33 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: +1 | Aug 20 20:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was started by a bunch of IBM OS/2 guys who were on Microsoft's side of the battle | Aug 20 20:33 |
| gnufreex | I know, but where they get money? Imposible that they get all from Microsoft shilling. | Aug 20 20:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Aug 20 20:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was started by rather rich guys to begin with | Aug 20 20:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin late shift again, I see. I'm still catching up with IRC logs... | Aug 20 20:34 | |
| Diablo-D3 | and they sucked in a lot of Microsoftey coders | Aug 20 20:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | some from IBM's OS/2 after it failed, some ex-Microsoft, some from other big Microsoft platform app developer companies | Aug 20 20:34 |
| gnufreex | And Microsoft save them after screwing them. Wikipedia says so. | Aug 20 20:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they had cap injection from Intel (when Intel was a strong Microsoft partner) and Microsoft over the years | Aug 20 20:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/1j3hir The lovely st albans atation | Aug 20 20:35 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | they bought some shit from Novell too, but I forget what | Aug 20 20:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | ended up being a huge product for them | Aug 20 20:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | Citrix also invented what MS calls Terminal Server now | Aug 20 20:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | Citrix doesn't shill for Microsoft directly, its not like how MS->Novell is now | Aug 20 20:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they're obviously pro-Microsoft | Aug 20 20:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | Citrix is sort of Microsoft's true enterprise division | Aug 20 20:37 |
| gnufreex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrix_Systems#Products | Aug 20 20:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: oh, and they own the GoToMyPc and GoToMeeting shit you see advertised on TV | Aug 20 20:37 |
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| gnufreex | It turns out they have some products. | Aug 20 20:37 |
| *Diablo-D3 is a walking wikipedia. really. | Aug 20 20:38 | |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: citrix bought xen because it was the competitor to hyper-v (or really, the other way around) | Aug 20 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the problem is | Aug 20 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | xen IS enterprise. | Aug 20 20:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] PlayStation 3 Security Foiled by Jailbreak USB Stick? http://ur1.ca/16xwi #linux is coming (back) to PS3 | Aug 20 20:39 | |
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| gnufreex | They bought it to kill it? | Aug 20 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | unless you buy big iorn stuff from IBM or Sun, there is no other way to do huge scale VPS | Aug 20 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Aug 20 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | they did | Aug 20 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then somehow didnt kill it | Aug 20 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | they enhanced i | Aug 20 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | *it | Aug 20 20:39 |
| gnufreex | They failed at killing it. | Aug 20 20:39 |
| gnufreex | haha | Aug 20 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the pro-Microsoft code in Xen since the Xensource purchases has been Citrix. | Aug 20 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, if they kill it, hyper-v still doesnt win | Aug 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | hyper-v is bought | Aug 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Virtual PC too | Aug 20 20:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: hyper-v is Microsoft's official in-Windows virt tech | Aug 20 20:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt function correctly. | Aug 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | That's how Microsoft makes products | Aug 20 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Virtual PC sucks too | Aug 20 20:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt really matter who invented it | Aug 20 20:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt work. | Aug 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | It decides what it needs, check what's out there, buys something that passes antitrust smell | Aug 20 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's been crippled so you have to buy VMWare or a more expensive copy of Windows with Hyper-V | Aug 20 20:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | and even if Citrix would have killed Xen, all that would do is make everybody fork Xen | Aug 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | IBM ORCL and GOOG are increasingly of the same group | Aug 20 20:41 |
| gnufreex | I never tried HyperV | Aug 20 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: its retarded. | Aug 20 20:41 |
| gnufreex | And probably never will | Aug 20 20:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz sort of late.... 12 till 8 today.... | Aug 20 20:41 | |
| Diablo-D3 | ask nenolod about it, iirc hes played with it | Aug 20 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | its no xen. | Aug 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Virtual PC is relative of VirtualBox | Aug 20 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: VirtualPC is not a relative of VirtualBox. | Aug 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | VirtualBox actually works | Aug 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | there's your difference | Aug 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they share some ancestors | Aug 20 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | tabfail | Aug 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/floss130 | Aug 20 20:42 |
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| DaemonFC | Virtual PC is only good enough to load XP so you can dust off your old spreadsheet software | Aug 20 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Listen to this | Aug 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I too didn't know this till this month | Aug 20 20:42 |
| gnufreex | Oralce is trying... they made JRocket work on Xen (or rather Oracle VM) without an OS | Aug 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Oracle has VirtualIron | Aug 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Uses Xen IIRC | Aug 20 20:42 |
| gnufreex | They killed Virtual Iron | Aug 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Yeah ;-) | Aug 20 20:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: shut up for a second. | Aug 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Orackill | Aug 20 20:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | VirtualPC was originally written by Connectix | Aug 20 20:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz PlayStation 3 Security Foiled by Jailbreak USB Stick? http://ur1.ca/16xwi #linux is coming (back) to PS3 | Aug 20 20:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks strikes at DoD on twitter | The Hill http://bit.ly/aYFRjb | Aug 20 20:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: PlayStation 3 Security Foiled by Jailbreak USB Stick? - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 131.38 KB | Aug 20 20:43 |
| *schestowitz shuts down for a minute | Aug 20 20:43 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | which was originally a _mac_ app | Aug 20 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | lots of companies are using Xen | Aug 20 20:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | they ported it to OS/2 and really early Linux too | Aug 20 20:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | then for Windows to run Windows on Windows | Aug 20 20:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is the version MS kept alive when they bought Connectix | Aug 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Windows on Windows on Windows too? | Aug 20 20:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | why would you want to ;_; | Aug 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | It could blow up from recursion | Aug 20 20:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | this isnt infinite windows works. | Aug 20 20:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | VirtualBox, however, was written by innotek | Aug 20 20:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | whuch sun bought | Aug 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: if Vista7 can only virtualise XP which is the only one that can do 3.1 mode | Aug 20 20:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | virtualbox is Free Software (tm), virtualpc is not. | Aug 20 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Or run some emulator | Aug 20 20:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: 7 is the only one that comes with a licensed edition of XP just for this | Aug 20 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | you can load DOS and Windows 3.1 in Virtual PC | Aug 20 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it's not | Aug 20 20:45 |
| schestowitz | It's 'open' core | Aug 20 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I used to think it was FOSS | Aug 20 20:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can run it on Vista and XP and 2000 | Aug 20 20:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you dont get that free XP license | Aug 20 20:45 |
| gnufreex | Virtual Box OSE is Free Software (tm) | Aug 20 20:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no | Aug 20 20:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | virtualbox, the sun version, includes minor things that they cant open source | Aug 20 20:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont own the rights or the code to it | Aug 20 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, OSE has crappy USB passthrough support | Aug 20 20:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | the usb2 controller, for example, they cant do | Aug 20 20:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the usb1 controller is on OSE | Aug 20 20:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not "open core", Sun just packages minor additional things | Aug 20 20:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could fork VBox overnight and not lose anything major | Aug 20 20:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, the whole 3D driver subsystem works on OSE | Aug 20 20:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | ie, opengl passthrough | Aug 20 20:47 |
| gnufreex | Diable-D3: It is not rights. They could rewrite USB controler easily. They want it that way. | Aug 20 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the D3D support is actually wine's d3d libraries built on windows itself | Aug 20 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: its on their todo list, actually | Aug 20 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | the USB2 controller is rather shitty | Aug 20 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | they wanna rewrite it from scratch altogether | Aug 20 20:47 |
| gnufreex | Diable-D3: Will Oralce scrap TODO list? | Aug 20 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | sun and now oracle has not interfered with innotek | Aug 20 20:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | its still the same devs working at the same company | Aug 20 20:48 |
| gnufreex | That's nice then. It would be even more nice if they change license to GPLv3 becasue people started to scare from Oracle patents. | Aug 20 20:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: well | Aug 20 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | its mostly v2, but theres actually CDDL in it as well | Aug 20 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you can probably drag Oracle through CDDL's patent language instead | Aug 20 20:49 |
| gnufreex | CDDL has bad patent language. It doesn't apply to forks. | Aug 20 20:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: now, otoh | Aug 20 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | dropping SPARC and Itanic after the LTS was a stupid thing to do | Aug 20 20:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is what I think you MIGHT have been talking about | Aug 20 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | now they have to deal with officially supporting those busted ports for 5 years | Aug 20 20:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | innotek wrote some code for Microsoft to support OS/2 guests | Aug 20 20:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | since OS/2 in enterprise is so ungodly fucking huge, and companies _wont switch_ | Aug 20 20:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | so a huge block of both virtualbox and virtualpc usage in the enterprise has nothing to do with windows or linux: its os/2. | Aug 20 20:50 |
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| Diablo-D3 | so microsoft licensed the code from the only guys who knew how to write it: innotek | Aug 20 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | competing products, sure, but no one gave a fuck | Aug 20 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its only for os/2 | Aug 20 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have unrelated guest shit for all other guests | Aug 20 20:51 |
| gnufreex | I stating to love KVM, except the fact you need Windows to manage it. | Aug 20 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | KVM... the linux kernel virtual machine? | Aug 20 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | you need _linux_ to manage it. | Aug 20 20:52 |
| gnufreex | I meant RHEV | Aug 20 20:52 |
| gnufreex | Red Hat has mini distro | Aug 20 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/588069 | Aug 20 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | hah | Aug 20 20:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont need to | Aug 20 20:53 |
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| Diablo-D3 | apt-get install the correct shit | Aug 20 20:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | works on debian fine | Aug 20 20:53 |
| gnufreex | And RHEV-M requires Windows and SQL server. And .NET | Aug 20 20:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | has kvm the userland shit done, kvm in the kernel, and libvirt using tools packaged. | Aug 20 20:53 |
| gnufreex | I know because i evaluated it. | Aug 20 20:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im doubting that. | Aug 20 20:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | redhat is rather anti-mono | Aug 20 20:54 |
| gnufreex | Qumranet was closed source company | Aug 20 20:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, who mentioned Virtual Iron? | Aug 20 20:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | because its really fucking dead now. | Aug 20 20:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Oracle bought it before the Sun merger, found it out was a total pile of fucking shit, and then killed it. | Aug 20 20:54 |
| gnufreex | http://lpeer.blogspot.com/2010/04/switching-from-c-to-java.html | Aug 20 20:55 |
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| gnufreex | Read this | Aug 20 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | they thought it was an IBM/Sun-like hypervisor based on Xen | Aug 20 20:55 |
| gnufreex | RHEV-M is windows only | Aug 20 20:55 |
| gnufreex | When I said 'manage it' I mean servers | Aug 20 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like calling a file system that still gets this many bug fixes "stable" | Aug 20 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: tl;dr, wtf is it about? | Aug 20 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | and encouraging its use on "production systems" | Aug 20 20:56 |
| gnufreex | It is about Qumranet making Windows only management utility. | Aug 20 20:56 |
| gnufreex | in C# | Aug 20 20:56 |
| gnufreex | and not Red Hat ports it to Java. | Aug 20 20:56 |
| gnufreex | When I say "manage" I don't meant libvirt | Aug 20 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but why do you need a "management utility" | Aug 20 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres already KVM distros that manage entire clusters for you | Aug 20 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | and do it through a web interface | Aug 20 20:57 |
| gnufreex | I mean management for big number of server with live migration and such | Aug 20 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont need a point and click tool for that | Aug 20 20:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @TheTechScribe: Is Oracle Taking OpenOffice.org Closed-Source? Clues? Or nothing to worry about? http://bit.ly/9oCrOn | Aug 20 20:58 | |
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| gnufreex | Well, there is a lot of servers in some datacenters :-) | Aug 20 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: but you do realize libvirt-based tools are the official redhat way of managing kvm, right? | Aug 20 20:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | if this rhev-m, whatever it is, doesnt use libvirt, its wrong. | Aug 20 20:59 |
| gnufreex | It uses libvirt | Aug 20 20:59 |
| gnufreex | But libvirt alone is not enough for big deployments | Aug 20 20:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | and why aren't you using virt-manager? | Aug 20 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes it is | Aug 20 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | go look at proxmox | Aug 20 21:00 |
| gnufreex | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6DfoOrh-cs | Aug 20 21:00 |
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| Diablo-D3 | its a hacked up distro that allows you to just install a flat uncustomizable image on your vps nodes | Aug 20 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then a "head" distro somewhere else that actually manages them | Aug 20 21:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you do it all through a web interface | Aug 20 21:01 |
| gnufreex | Do someone watch video? | Aug 20 21:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not really interested in watching it | Aug 20 21:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt comply with redhat's vision | Aug 20 21:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | it looks like an ovirt competitor | Aug 20 21:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its dead. | Aug 20 21:03 |
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| gnufreex | Libvirt alone can't do all that. And then people chose WMware becasue it RHEV "lacks funcionality" | Aug 20 21:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | libvirt can do ANYTHING | Aug 20 21:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I think you misunderstand what tools do | Aug 20 21:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] "I was wrong" -- kudos to Sean Kelley http://bit.ly/avq8Fi | Aug 20 21:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Difference between Open Standards and Close Standards : Stop using Microsoft Office. http://tinyurl.com/2azb83z #blog | Aug 20 21:04 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: all it looks like its doing is ovirt or proxmox shit | Aug 20 21:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | so whatever this RHEV-M is, its dead. | Aug 20 21:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | ovirt is the only large cluster kvm management tool redhat is developing | Aug 20 21:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Why won't the Pentagon help WikiLeaks redact documents? | Salon http://bit.ly/bPbcN8 | Aug 20 21:05 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: but the problem is | Aug 20 21:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | kvm is not really good at large enterprise | Aug 20 21:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | any serious enterprise VM users use Xen. | Aug 20 21:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: I wonder if anyone at redhat has heard of this RHEV-M | Aug 20 21:06 |
| gnufreex | Red Hat made RHEV-M | Aug 20 21:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | because no one that does kvm in the enterprise that I know has ever talked about it | Aug 20 21:07 |
| gnufreex | In fact they rebanded it | Aug 20 21:07 |
| gnufreex | from QUmranet something | Aug 20 21:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, unless RHEV-M is ovirt, redhat didnt make it | Aug 20 21:07 |
| gnufreex | http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/update-rhev-m-going-open-source | Aug 20 21:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Update on RHEV-M going open source | KVM - The Linux Kernel-Based Virtual Machine .::. Size~: 26.81 KB | Aug 20 21:07 |
| gnufreex | They bought it along with Qumranet in 2008 | Aug 20 21:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | ovirt is the redhat-supported upstream project for a libvirt-based web interface for cluster management | Aug 20 21:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: it looks like its something for windows users anyhow | Aug 20 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its extra dead. | Aug 20 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, I think ovirt ships with RHEL now | Aug 20 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | so Im _really_ not sure where you're going with this. | Aug 20 21:09 |
| gnufreex | That was only choice I had when I wanted to try RHEV. | Aug 20 21:10 |
| gnufreex | Rhev is Red Hat enterprise Virtualisation | Aug 20 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, qumranet, according to wikipedia, is the company that wrote KVM to begin with | Aug 20 21:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IDG plays good cop, bad cop on the same day http://ur1.ca/16y4u http://ur1.ca/16y4w | Aug 20 21:11 | |
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| gnufreex | Yeah. And REd Hat bought it | Aug 20 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | _ahh_ | Aug 20 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | so _thats_ what rhev-m is | Aug 20 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: you're 100% wrong on needing it | Aug 20 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a solution that ties rh kvm management into windows environments. | Aug 20 21:12 |
| gnufreex | RHEV is not same as RHEV-M | Aug 20 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its not needed at all. | Aug 20 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Troll: http://androinica.com/2010/08/19/androids-nuclear-zombie-apocalypse/ | Aug 20 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Androids nuclear zombie apocalypse | edclark | Androinica .::. Size~: 74 KB | Aug 20 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | its, basically, ovirt for windows. | Aug 20 21:13 |
| gnufreex | RHEV is mini distro that runs KVM guests. | Aug 20 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: yes but | Aug 20 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | the rest of us would use ovirt. | Aug 20 21:13 |
| gnufreex | RHEV-M is managemement console that manages server that run RHEV. | Aug 20 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | rhev-m is for windows sysadmins who are trying to bring rhev nodes into their windows cluster | Aug 20 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | see above. | Aug 20 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the ovirt equiv for windows. | Aug 20 21:14 |
| gnufreex | That should say SERVERS | Aug 20 21:14 |
| gnufreex | My mistake | Aug 20 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its not important, and no one cares about it | Aug 20 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could run ovirt and connect from msie and do the same thing. | Aug 20 21:14 |
| gnufreex | I tell you, that was only choice when I wanted RHEV | Aug 20 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: dude | Aug 20 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | rhev didnt exist when I tried kvm | Aug 20 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | ovirt did. | Aug 20 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | maybe they just didnt tell you ovirt existed | Aug 20 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | or that dont need ANY redhat product to run kvm on clusters. | Aug 20 21:15 |
| gnufreex | I am talking about suported version. | Aug 20 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | support shmort. | Aug 20 21:15 |
| gnufreex | I tried KVM in 2008 | Aug 20 21:15 |
| gnufreex | I don't count that | Aug 20 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: this guys an idiot | Aug 20 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | OH GOD ANDROIDS GOING TO BE FRAGMENTED | Aug 20 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | is debian fragmented? | Aug 20 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, new to me | Aug 20 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yeah | Aug 20 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know people who have stable installed | Aug 20 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | or old versions of ubuntu | Aug 20 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Not everyone uses Lenny | Aug 20 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | I run linux 2.4 inside openwrt on my router | Aug 20 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | is linux itself fragmented? | Aug 20 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 20 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | durr hurr hurr hurr | Aug 20 21:17 |
| schestowitz | kernel.org | Aug 20 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | nutjobs. | Aug 20 21:17 |
| schestowitz | So many versions :-) | Aug 20 21:17 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Who said anything about fragmenting? | Aug 20 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: oh, its been a running bullshit thing in the android community | Aug 20 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Troll: http://androinica.com/2010/08/19/androids-nuclear-zombie-apocalypse/ | Aug 20 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Androids nuclear zombie apocalypse | edclark | Androinica .::. Size~: 74 KB | Aug 20 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | they think android versions and official vendor support mean somethings | Aug 20 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they dont | Aug 20 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only thing you lose in newer versions is shit your hardware cant do | Aug 20 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, sure, install android 2.2, but dont expect flash to work if your phone is old | Aug 20 21:18 |
| schestowitz | That FUD seems to have come from Gartnenberg | Aug 20 21:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Support of Red Hat Enterprise Linux extended by 3 years http://ur1.ca/16y77 That's another selling point, source code too | Aug 20 21:18 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Support of Red Hat Enterprise Linux extended by 3 years - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.59 KB | Aug 20 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Or other Microsoft trolls on the payroll | Aug 20 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you mean from Apple | Aug 20 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | but Apple did the same shit in reverse | Aug 20 21:18 |
| schestowitz | The same guys who now accuses Google is spreadfing HITLER | Aug 20 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | Android gets faster and faster | Aug 20 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Cause he tried hard to find some "jewish" apps | Aug 20 21:18 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: I thought you are tallking about KVM / RHEV | Aug 20 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | install 2.2 on an Nexus One, and it fucking flies | Aug 20 21:18 |
| schestowitz | And Tim Bray respoded to this FUD | Aug 20 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: no, I switched to what schestowitz brought up, see his url | Aug 20 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Android does well | Aug 20 21:19 |
| schestowitz | And not it's attacked | Aug 20 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, 2.2 on nexus one, it flies; iOS 4 on pre-4g devices, it blows your device up | Aug 20 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | its soooo sloooooow | Aug 20 21:19 |
| schestowitz | 160k/day->200k/day->past hypePhone... | Aug 20 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | nexus one doesnt "officially" support anything but what it shipped with | Aug 20 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | no phone does | Aug 20 21:19 |
| schestowitz | FUD didn't work, now lawsuits | Aug 20 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a fucking linux distro | Aug 20 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "Oh nows!! ORCL will KILL Android!!!!!" | Aug 20 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're not supported if you start fucking with the firmware | Aug 20 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats any device ever | Aug 20 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | I run linux on my powerbook, apple doesnt support me | Aug 20 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | bad upstream brings on a better fork | Aug 20 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | I run linux on my hand built computer, no one supports me, not even me. | Aug 20 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | provided anyone cares enough about the project to fork it | Aug 20 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | if linux breaks on my workstation, I swear at it until it starts working again | Aug 20 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise just let it rot and die | Aug 20 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you don't | Aug 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | You use Vista 7 | Aug 20 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not up to your fucking carrier or cellphone manuf to package newer androids for your device if they dont want to | Aug 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | _I_ actually build my own Linux boxed | Aug 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | *xes | Aug 20 21:21 |
| cubevector | hands up everyone using win7 :) | Aug 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | You just dabble | Aug 20 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubevector: define using | Aug 20 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I boot win7 once every 6 months | Aug 20 21:21 |
| cubevector | on at the moment | Aug 20 21:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Pirate Bay Typo Squatter Applies For US Trademark On Pirate Bay As Well http://dlvr.it/432sr | Aug 20 21:22 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | I really should just build a machine for windows | Aug 20 21:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC must have fallen asleep | Aug 20 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | one thats just for gaming | Aug 20 21:22 |
| cubevector | meh | Aug 20 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, thats all windows is good for | Aug 20 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | gaming | Aug 20 21:22 |
| cubevector | Loki/LGP for me | Aug 20 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | loki is looooooong since dead | Aug 20 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: gaming but not games | Aug 20 21:23 |
| cubevector | I still play Loki games | Aug 20 21:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | remember, the owner still owes slouken and icculus a lot of money? | Aug 20 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Games are better off on stable platforms | Aug 20 21:23 |
| cubevector | uh, I heard something like that Diablo-D3 | Aug 20 21:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, they'll never see it | Aug 20 21:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | slouken works at blizzard now | Aug 20 21:23 |
| cubevector | rt2, eus I still play | Aug 20 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | and icculus is king of linux ports. | Aug 20 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | rt2? | Aug 20 21:24 |
| schestowitz | ut4 never came | Aug 20 21:24 |
| cubevector | Railroad Tycoon 2 | Aug 20 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubevector: erm | Aug 20 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | why not just play openttd? | Aug 20 21:24 |
| cubevector | I'll try it sometime | Aug 20 21:24 |
| cubevector | and majesty gold is pretty fun still | Aug 20 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its funny, btw | Aug 20 21:26 |
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| Diablo-D3 | how you can have two competing games that are almost alike | Aug 20 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: How do you feel about Windows 7 beating the crap out of Linux in Phoronix's OpenGL "benchmark"? | Aug 20 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | (Not that I really trust Phoronix after that incident with their file system benchmarks claiming Ext3 exceeding the theoretical limits of the file system itself) | Aug 20 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 21:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oppenheimer Reiterates Outperform Rating on Red Hat (RHT) http://ur1.ca/16y9g #RedHat | Aug 20 21:28 | |
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| cubevector | you need to buy the original transport tycoon to get the data files yes? | Aug 20 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Aug 20 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | but they're always good for a laugh | Aug 20 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have a fully open source graphics pack now | Aug 20 21:28 |
| cubevector | ah ok | Aug 20 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubevector: but you know whats hilarious? | Aug 20 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | the original railroad tycoon was sold by micropose, and sid meier did it | Aug 20 21:28 |
| cubevector | yes | Aug 20 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they sold it in 1990 | Aug 20 21:29 |
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| Diablo-D3 | in 1993, they sold transport tycoon, and thats chris sawyer's | Aug 20 21:29 |
| cubevector | yes | Aug 20 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the two games arent related to each other, other than using the usual * tycoon game format | Aug 20 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they're so fucking alike | Aug 20 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet not related. | Aug 20 21:30 |
| cubevector | hmmm | Aug 20 21:30 |
| cubevector | that's a bit odd | Aug 20 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | ALL tycoon games are alike | Aug 20 21:30 |
| cubevector | quite a difference between original rt and rt2 though | Aug 20 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then chris sawyer goes off and makes locomotion | Aug 20 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is shit | Aug 20 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | of course, Phoronix failed to mention that it wasn't really as much of a Windows v. Linux benchmark as it was an Nvidia blob on Windows v. Nvidia blob on Linux | Aug 20 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | and sid goes off and makes railroads | Aug 20 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | it does point out how much faster Nvidia's blob is on Windows though | Aug 20 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thats shit | Aug 20 21:31 |
| cubevector | hmmm, you didn't like railroads Diablo-D3 ? | Aug 20 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | (up to 40% on some OpenGL operations) | Aug 20 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | neither of those games follows the tycoon formula | Aug 20 21:31 |
| cubevector | it looked nice, but I never tried it | Aug 20 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice to be able to use dedicated video cards on Linux with an actually full-featured Linux driver | Aug 20 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | RCT is another game that follows the format well and went wrong | Aug 20 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | RCT3 is horrendus | Aug 20 21:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What to buy? "The remaining 7.7 percent answered 'Linux system'." http://ur1.ca/16yab | Aug 20 21:32 | |
| cubevector | but you liked rt2? | Aug 20 21:32 |
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| cubevector | or no? | Aug 20 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | instead of someone's unoptimized binary crap illegally linked to the kernel with an abstraction layer | Aug 20 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | I havent played rt/rt2 much | Aug 20 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | from what Ive heard, btw, railroads turned rt2 into a modern sid meier type strategy game | Aug 20 21:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is a different genre altogether | Aug 20 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | I consider their claims of Linux support false advertising | Aug 20 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | they don't actually have any Linux drivers | Aug 20 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | just a Windows blob with a glue layer | Aug 20 21:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its on the side of the scale that gives you Civ and Pirates | Aug 20 21:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, rt/rt2 sorta had that | Aug 20 21:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | but it was largely still a tycoon type game | Aug 20 21:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia N9 (RM-680) QWERTY MeeGo Magic Leaked http://ur1.ca/16yam #maemo #nokia #linux #gnu | Aug 20 21:35 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | cubevector: btw, openttd is trying to get better graphics | Aug 20 21:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@JohnFugelsang NewsCorp gave $1m to GOP. nice 2 see billionaires taking care of the help //More like, Murdoch's the "help", #gop his client | Aug 20 21:37 | |
| Diablo-D3 | so you'd have RT-like modern graphics | Aug 20 21:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | in a TT-like game. | Aug 20 21:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubevector: if you play for all the strategy elements in RT, you probably wont like TT that much | Aug 20 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | TT is about building | Aug 20 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | RT is about strategy | Aug 20 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | but still have largely the same underpinnings | Aug 20 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | but still, its bizzare | Aug 20 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, we're doubling the number of "private security contractors" in Iraq as the actual soldiers leave | Aug 20 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's worked well in the past /sarcasm | Aug 20 21:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | still | Aug 20 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | *cough* corporate welfare *cough* | Aug 20 21:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | try it | Aug 20 21:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | openttd I mean | Aug 20 21:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Can someone book and work on defensive-patent.org ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_publication #idea #swpat #OpenInnovation | Aug 20 21:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://abcnews.go.com/WN/franklin-graham-president-obama-born-muslim-pew-poll/story?id=11446462 | Aug 20 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim.' As Pew Poll Shows, More Americans Confused About President's Religion. - ABC News .::. Size~: 66.94 KB | Aug 20 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | More lunacy promoted on the front page of Google News | Aug 20 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | It is kind of hypocritical that abortion is legal while women who drown their kids or smother them with a pillow get prison sentences | Aug 20 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that a "family issue"? :) | Aug 20 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | " The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name" | Aug 20 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 20 21:50 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: I just checked oVirt. It is 0.100-4 version, it didn't get 1.0 yet. That why we were misscomunicating. I was talking about puting RHEV into production, and I was trying to do that few moths ago (before Red Hat summit). | Aug 20 21:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: yes, and Im saying rhev-m is basically an ovirt replacement for windows | Aug 20 21:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not an actual product | Aug 20 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | My name is Irish, I guess that changes me profoundly | Aug 20 21:51 |
| gnufreex | No, I am saying that oVirt is cross platform RHEV-M replacement. RHEV-M is older | Aug 20 21:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Please ReTweet - http://twitter.com/nsisodiya/status/21691185270 #openStandards | Aug 20 21:52 | |
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| DaemonFC | What if I go down to the courthouse and decide to be called something different? | Aug 20 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | I have the $100 to file the request | Aug 20 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 21:52 |
| gnufreex | When oVirt gets done, it will be rebrander RHEV-M | Aug 20 21:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | well its kind of funny ive never heard of rhev-m | Aug 20 21:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet I have ovirt. | Aug 20 21:53 |
| gnufreex | oVirt is not production ready yet. By Red Hat standards, that is. | Aug 20 21:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont think kvm is production ready | Aug 20 21:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | so thats not really a big thing | Aug 20 21:53 |
| gnufreex | Well, that to. | Aug 20 21:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its no xen | Aug 20 21:54 |
| gnufreex | By end of year, I think KVM will catch up. Mostly. Red Hat is doing lots of pushing. | Aug 20 21:57 |
| gnufreex | Wow | Aug 20 21:58 |
| gnufreex | http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:RHT | Aug 20 21:58 |
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| DaemonFC | What I think is hilarious are those militant feminazis who give mens names to their little girls | Aug 20 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | What exactly are they trying to accomplish there? Getting the kid harassed at school? | Aug 20 21:59 |
| gnufreex | Did someone try Ingres VectorWise? I am downloading right now... but they didn't opensource it yet. | Aug 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/709519/000119312504155723/dex10109.htm | Aug 20 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | Sun's patent agreement with Microsoft covering StarOffice | Aug 20 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | (But not OOo) | Aug 20 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://lwn.net/Articles/359013/ | Aug 20 22:22 |
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| DaemonFC | Canonical steals your code too | Aug 20 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | just like Sun.Oracle can | Aug 20 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | good enough reason not to contribute any to them | Aug 20 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | "I hereby assign to Canonical with full title guarantee all copyright now or in the future subsisting in any part of the world in any Assigned Contributions." | Aug 20 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Aug 20 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's why they can license their stuff under 'free" licenses without it actually being "free" | Aug 20 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | "It's licensed under the GPL, unless we say it isn't" | Aug 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | or your code may be GPL for some recipients, but Canonical can give it away on other terms to other parties | Aug 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | just another way Canonical is a parasite | Aug 20 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | when you give any code to Canonical you can think of it at "GPL -OR- Any other license Canonical decides on" | Aug 20 22:28 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/8/19/mac-steam-prompts-osx-graphics-update/ | Aug 20 22:32 |
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| DaemonFC | "Since the latest update to 10.6.4, Steam has been able to properly impliment 'occlusion query' which is a GPU-based mechanism which allows OpenGL to draw convincing lighting effects, particularly when a light source is obscured by in-game ojects." | Aug 20 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | And every other OS has had that for how many years now? | Aug 20 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | oh that's right, since it was added to OpenGL in 2004 | Aug 20 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | DirectX has had it's version since like 2001 | Aug 20 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | this means that OS X got it 6 years after other *nix systems, and 9 years after Windows | Aug 20 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Can has cutting edge? | Aug 20 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 22:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Comcast: We Sped Up Your Internet... Oh, No, Actually, We Didn't http://dlvr.it/438sc | Aug 20 22:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | so the reason for the bad gaming experience on the Mac is partially due to the fact that OS X isn't up to speed with other operating systems | Aug 20 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | but mostly due to the fact that Apple only ships them with mid-grade GPUs anyway | Aug 20 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | I for one think Comcast's new name, XFinity, is totally fitting | Aug 20 22:38 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: don't seek anything new in macos | Aug 20 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | How long is left on that download? Oh right, xfinity! | Aug 20 22:38 |
| MinceR | along with m$, they're The Trailing Edge of Technology | Aug 20 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | How long until I get connected to this gaming server? xfinity! | Aug 20 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | What's my ping looking like? xfinity ms! | Aug 20 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: NINE YEARS behind Windows? | Aug 20 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | How do they live this down and still call it the most advanced OS? | Aug 20 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 22:39 |
| MinceR | what's nine years next to the Reality Distortion Field? | Aug 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it can't play any games, but the windows all have the genie effect! | Aug 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Try again in 9 years! | Aug 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Comcrap not only lies about making their "economy" service less craptacular (1.5 Mbps instead of 1)..... | Aug 20 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | they forgot to mention that "economy" means $35 a month | Aug 20 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | for $35 a month you can easily get ADSL which is REALLY 3 Mbps | Aug 20 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast uses "discounts" on their internet service as bait to rope you into a TV package you probably don't want | Aug 20 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | It basically works like this 1. You want internet, but see it starts at $35 for Economy at 1 Mbps and $55 for "Pro", which is 6 Mbps, with nothing in between. You also notice that if you sign up for any TV package, they "discount" your internet price by $10 a month. TV packages start at $20 a month for a whopping 10 channel basic cable package consisting mostly of things you can get over the air anyway, with the next bump | Aug 20 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | there's no way you can pair TV and internet together and get a good deal | Aug 20 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | because even their digital "Economy" package has been gerrymandered around all the good channels, which have been spewn around like bread crumbs in ever more expensive tiers | Aug 20 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | Who uses Facebook in here? | Aug 20 22:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] We have been playing with http://homebank.free.fr/ , which is in Ubuntu and appears most useful and usable. | Aug 20 22:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | then they get you started out with half-price service | Aug 20 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | I know jono does | Aug 20 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | $50-60 is reasonable for TV and internet, then 6 months later you open up a $110 Comcast bill | Aug 20 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 20 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | oh, plus modem "rental" of $6 a month | Aug 20 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | and "franchise fee" of $3 | Aug 20 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | and "protection plan" for another $5 | Aug 20 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | and HD fee of $10 | Aug 20 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | and HD-DVR fee of $15 (if any), or HD box fee of $5 each | Aug 20 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 20 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | you can easily just open a bill a few months after you sign up that's well over $130 all of a sudden even if you only have the economy TV service and "Pro" internet | Aug 20 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast should have changed their name to assrapefinity | Aug 20 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | scam artists | Aug 20 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | DirecTV and AT&T have some of those gotcha billing practices, but nothing as wicked as Comcast | Aug 20 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | and much better service | Aug 20 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast is Satan's cable company | Aug 20 22:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Loveparade, 24. Juli 2010 in Duisburg, 21 Tote, 511 Verletzte. Profit und Vertuschung sind mehr wert als Menschenleben. http://bit.ly/cIW1oZ | Aug 20 22:52 | |
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| DaemonFC | sebsebseb: I deleted my Facebook profile | Aug 20 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | there's some real whackjobs on there | Aug 20 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Aug 20 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Facebook is evil | Aug 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'm never using another site like that or Myspace again | Aug 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | see what happens is, you go to file a job app or something right? | Aug 20 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | and then employeer searches for you? | Aug 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | and companies now look for your social networking crap | Aug 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | or you file a health insurance claim and a claim's agent sees a picture on your Myspace that depicts you smoking a cigarette | Aug 20 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | if do a Google search for my name with the sur name, some stuff does come up | Aug 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | suddenly they can drop you because you said you were a nonsmoker | Aug 20 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | nothing bad though :) | Aug 20 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | however I haven't always been 100% good with my online names, so I try to keep my real name and online names, rather well seperate :) | Aug 20 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | you really have to watch what you post on those sites | Aug 20 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | people get a bit carried away and then wonder why they're unemployable or their health insurance company starts denying all their claims | Aug 20 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's other abuses of that type of information | Aug 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | but it's all out there for world+dog to see | Aug 20 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | well they have privacy settings | Aug 20 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Aug 20 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | yeah there was stuff about that recently | Aug 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | but those don't always work | Aug 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | and they can be confusing | Aug 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | and you might accidentally misconfigure something and still spring a leak | Aug 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's easier to just not use them | Aug 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | and if you do plug everything up, desirable contacts can't even find you | Aug 20 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | so what's the point? :) | Aug 20 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well if you had Facebook, you could add your good friend Jono Bacon :D | Aug 20 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | jono jono jono | Aug 20 22:57 |
| *DaemonFC waits for it | Aug 20 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah I was going to maybe get a twitter soon | Aug 20 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | so I can send messages like that to this channel | Aug 20 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | well something about how identica can be used instead or wahtever | Aug 20 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | just watch it with those sites | Aug 20 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | even if you delete them, it takes Google a while to stop caching everything | Aug 20 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | well I hardly ever use that kind of site, because of who I am | Aug 20 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | so you really can't just make it disappear right away | Aug 20 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | I am not one of these people with loads of friends, you know | Aug 20 22:59 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: youi can post to identica and have identica pass it on to twietter, which shows up here | Aug 20 22:59 |
| ThistleWeb | thats what I do | Aug 20 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah i'll do that I guess | Aug 20 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | not just yet though | Aug 20 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if other people can send messages, to this channel like that, well and I don't I feel like I am mising out on something | Aug 20 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not many people are going to care about what I type on that anyway, I guess :D | Aug 20 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: also using a sur name online can be dangerous | Aug 20 23:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Loveparade, 24. July 2010 Duisburg (DE), 21 dead, 511 wounded. Profits and cover-ups are more valuable than human life. http://bit.ly/cIW1oZ | Aug 20 23:00 | |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: one reason I am not so keen on Facebook personalley | Aug 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.sandisk.com/products/slotmusic/slotmusic-cards.aspx | Aug 20 23:01 |
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| sebsebseb | I am not a criminal, but for privacy and security reasons, I want to keep my sur name, quite off the web :) | Aug 20 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Sandisk has figures out how to sell MP3s on 1 GB flash memory for $5 more than the CD | Aug 20 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 20 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | hooray | Aug 20 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | has it ever occurred to them that buying the MP3s and a new 2 GB microSD dedicated to every album would be cheaper? | Aug 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | notice how they don't use FLAC even though there's room for it? | Aug 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, limited selection too | Aug 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | yuck | Aug 20 23:04 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Canon officially abandons SED http://ur1.ca/16yvj #douchebags I wanted one | Aug 20 23:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | "We have been able to measure performance improvements with the latest software update, but we are anticipating even more speedups if Apple implements the uniform_buffer_object extension and GLSL 1.3 in a future update. With these additional features, we will be able to sidestep this particular CPU bottleneck, allowing us to win back a bunch of CPU time and, ultimately, performance." | Aug 20 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: What year is this again? | Aug 20 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | GLSL 1.3 was introduced in OpenGL 3.0 | Aug 20 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | in 2008 | Aug 20 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | but who's counting the years that the "world's most advanced OS" is missing common features? | Aug 20 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | right? :) | Aug 20 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | hell, what do you expect from them? | Aug 20 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | In only 5 more years they'll invent the two button mouse | Aug 20 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 20 23:08 |
| MinceR | don't hold your breath | Aug 20 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | Isn't the Mac's version of right click actually Ctrl+Click? | Aug 20 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's not awkward.... | Aug 20 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 20 23:10 |
| MinceR | remember, their target audience checks which button is by looking a t the mouse | Aug 20 23:10 |
| MinceR | they might also need to be reminded to breathe | Aug 20 23:10 |
| MinceR | s/ton is/ton it is/ | Aug 20 23:12 |
| MinceR | s/ a t / at / | Aug 20 23:12 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, loading new kernel build | Aug 20 23:15 |
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| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: fail. | Aug 20 23:18 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: I've managed to end up with a Daft Punk collection just to torture test my Ogg Vorbis builds | Aug 20 23:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Today one of my true heroes in metal was born in 1966: Dimebag Darrell - he is always remembered and sadly missed. | Aug 20 23:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Court Rejects Patent On 'Watch An Ad To Get Content' http://dlvr.it/43Dy9 | Aug 20 23:34 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Court Rejects Patent On 'Watch An Ad To Get Content' | Techdirt .::. Size~: 26.94 KB | Aug 20 23:34 |
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