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| FurnaceBoy | why is it interesting? the interesting outcome is when it goes away. everything else is just waiting | Aug 31 00:13 |
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| oiaohm_ | FurnaceBoy: can be signs of desperation in development. | Aug 31 00:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Or lack of skills being produced to maintain it. FurnaceBoy | Aug 31 00:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | are you a bookmaker? | Aug 31 00:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Not at the moment. FurnaceBoy | Aug 31 00:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Have been in past. FurnaceBoy | Aug 31 00:22 |
| gnufreex | <oiaohm_> mono stalled development is intersting. Since lot of mono resources seamed to be focused everywhere other than it core. | Aug 31 00:29 |
| gnufreex | Yeah. Advocacy, astroturfing, shilling | Aug 31 00:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 31 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 31 00:33 |
| gnufreex | FurnaceBoy: De Icaza now cleans toilets, did you see? | Aug 31 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | i hope he's good at it | Aug 31 00:34 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[_the_mad_hatter] Will 2011 See An Earthquake Hit The Server Manufacturers? http://bit.ly/dxJJaF | Aug 31 00:34 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] CTRC Orders Big ISPs To Provide Matching Speeds For Resellers http://bit.ly/dq0iUj | Aug 31 00:34 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Gates Foundation and Microsoft Both Hate Sharing, Love Taking http://ur1.ca/1e8aw #scarcity #freetype #charity | Aug 31 00:34 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] At some stage we ought to organise the list of posts about Gates by topic rather than dates alone. http://ur1.ca/1e8bh | Aug 31 00:35 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] How Involved Should The Government Be In Protecting Online Privacy? http://dlvr.it/4T5zY | Aug 31 00:47 | |
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| oiaohm_ | gnufreex: focus on accessablity and other areas basically areas that you could see as attempts to get developers. | Aug 31 00:49 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Mono zealots were saying that Mono is developing at speed of light and that project size is second to only Linux kernel. Not it turns out that is moribound. This is the point where I laugh. | Aug 31 00:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | in this area size is not a virtue. | Aug 31 00:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'speed of light'? | Aug 31 00:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Aug 31 00:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'speed of checks' | Aug 31 00:53 |
| gnufreex | FurnaceBoy: They were saying that Mono implemented things that Microsoft didn't yet pur in .NET | Aug 31 00:53 |
| gnufreex | And that Microsoft is playing catch up | Aug 31 00:54 |
| gnufreex | With Mono | Aug 31 00:54 |
| gnufreex | They are delusional. | Aug 31 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. True. | Aug 31 00:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Some areas it was true. | Aug 31 00:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Where mono did lead. | Aug 31 00:54 |
| oiaohm_ | But have not seen that in last 12 months. | Aug 31 00:54 |
| gnufreex | LLVM integration? | Aug 31 00:54 |
| oiaohm_ | API gnufreex | Aug 31 00:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Particularlly bug finding and correction. | Aug 31 00:55 |
| gnufreex | Well, that is baceus Microsoft are idiots. It only means that Monsters are less idiots. | Aug 31 00:57 |
| gnufreex | hehe | Aug 31 00:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Wondering whether the #SCOracle suit will cause some shops to transition to #Pharo #Smalltalk and avoid #swpats danger of #Java. | Aug 31 00:58 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] #Oracle Promotes hypePod/hypeTunes Just Weeks After Suing Android, Java’s Founder Has Message for Ellison http://ur1.ca/1e8gm #java #swpats | Aug 31 01:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] آر تي @johnsu01 Back to school time -- Help us build a list of schools requiring or promoting DRM: http://ur1.ca/1e7sb !dbd !fsf !lp | Aug 31 01:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @lnxwalt140 Incidentally, #Pharo is licensed under MIT license. | Aug 31 01:03 | |
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| gacevedo | Hi | Aug 31 01:05 |
| gnufreex | hi | Aug 31 01:05 |
| gacevedo | schestowitz: are you around? | Aug 31 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 31 01:05 |
| schestowitz | What's up | Aug 31 01:05 |
| gacevedo | Hi, maybe you should update this post: http://techrights.org/2010/08/30/mono-development-barriers/ | Aug 31 01:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mono Project Seems to be Dying (Development Virtually Halted) | Techrights .::. Size~: 148.15 KB | Aug 31 01:05 |
| gacevedo | Mono is currently using GIT, so their SN repositories are not up to date anymore. | Aug 31 01:06 |
| gacevedo | You can read the warning here: http://www.mono-project.com/AnonSVN | Aug 31 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | That's what I thought | Aug 31 01:06 |
| schestowitz | In IRC | Aug 31 01:06 |
| schestowitz | But people in IRC said no | Aug 31 01:06 |
| gacevedo | Guys from Mono community are talking about your post on Twitter: http://twitter.com/tim_smith/status/22565262792 | Aug 31 01:07 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Can you please help list !freesoftware innovations? (you can dent them & I'll add them) http://ur1.ca/1e8hu !lp !gnu | Aug 31 01:08 | |
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| gnufreex | Oh, crap. So Mono isn't dead | Aug 31 01:08 |
| gacevedo | schestowitz: you can see their activity on GITHUB -> http://github.com/mono | Aug 31 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Where is the .... | Aug 31 01:09 |
| schestowitz | OK, beat me to it | Aug 31 01:09 |
| gacevedo | Anyway, I'm not part of the Mono Community (have used myself just a couple of times thou), but wanted to let you know about the mistake. | Aug 31 01:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex: it's the waiting that's so hard :D | Aug 31 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Post updated | Aug 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | gacevedo: corrected at the top | Aug 31 01:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Google's "Dont be evil" isnt a company motto, its their message to its users Big Brother Google watching, so "Dont be evil". !q #irc | Aug 31 01:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] lokpest on #gnu | Aug 31 01:13 | |
| gacevedo | schestowitz: Yes, I can see it. An explanation for the apparently low activity could be their new projects such as MonoTouch and MonoDroid. | Aug 31 01:14 |
| gnufreex | MonoTouch is killed by Steve Jobs :-) | Aug 31 01:15 |
| gacevedo | (for the iPhone and Android, respectively) | Aug 31 01:15 |
| gnufreex | And Larry will kill MonoDroid. | Aug 31 01:15 |
| gacevedo | lol | Aug 31 01:16 |
| schestowitz | "... there shalt be no monkey before me.." | Aug 31 01:17 |
| gacevedo | Okay, I'm going off. Nice to meet you guys. | Aug 31 01:20 |
| gacevedo | bye | Aug 31 01:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @reality Many people involved in broadcast medias do not realise there is a big difference between hearing and listening. | Aug 31 01:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @webmink Hold The Celebrations; H.264 Is Not The Sort Of Free That Matters: http://bit.ly/beiw4E [by me] | Aug 31 01:33 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] The Best Near-Term Future of Space Exploration? http://bit.ly/90zX6f | Aug 31 01:34 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] #USPTO is Imperialistic http://ur1.ca/1e8sg Another new set of examples where the USPTO hijacks other countries’ policies | Aug 31 01:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @so_you_know RT @AM_Publishing: http://www.ur1.ca/1e8wi Call for submissions! The Great Novel Contest. Enter to win a book deal !write | Aug 31 02:18 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[einfeldt] RT @sjvn: Upgrading to Windows 7 isn't Cheap http://bit.ly/c1cNbt in the corporate world by @sjvn | Aug 31 02:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] http://tinyogg.com/watch/UH2yR/ Dear !Firefox, I'm not saying Windows and Mac are bad, but GNU/Linux also exists and it's worth mentioning. | Aug 31 03:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] had hard time explaining to an Apple fanboy that Apple *shouldn't* necessarily have full control over his device. Typical case, I guess. :) | Aug 31 03:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] 27 good reasons to love Linux http://bit.ly/d5lpwQ #linux | Aug 31 03:48 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[ffii] See you in Hungary http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/schedConf/schedule #ooocon #openoffice | Aug 31 04:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Investments in Monsanto bad news http://ur1.ca/1eat0 | Aug 31 06:23 | |
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| oiaohm | http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19547 Interesting change | Aug 31 06:35 |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Microsoft, Who Supports Software Patents, Now Asks Supreme Court To Help It Against Patent Holder http://dlvr.it/4Tdxf | Aug 31 06:35 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] If you connect whole country (or atleast Educational entities) to high speed Internet then one day it will become a developed country #ict4d | Aug 31 06:35 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] Eben Moglen will speak at "Software Patents and the Commons" seminar at Delhi, September 1, 2010, 10:00 am http://tinyurl.com/38bkqzx | Aug 31 06:35 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] RT @osamak http://tinyogg.com/watch/UH2yR/ Dear #Firefox, I'm not saying Windows and Mac are bad, but GNU/Linux also exists... | Aug 31 06:41 | |
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| schestowitz | RMS: "AMD jettisons ATI brand name, makes Radeon its own" | Aug 31 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Oops. "Handing out bags of GMO corn is effectively sabotage of farmers. Corn pollen travels a long distance in the wind, so genes tend to spread and contaminate everyone's corn. Monsanto only has to wait a few years for this to occur, and then it can sue all corn farmers in the area for patent infringement. " | Aug 31 06:46 |
| oiaohm | You are missing the worst bit. | Aug 31 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Lets say the GMO alteration is toxic. schestowitz | Aug 31 07:05 |
| oiaohm | How do we fix it. | Aug 31 07:05 |
| schestowitz | I think sometimes it's designed only to reproduce in the lab | Aug 31 07:10 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't work | Aug 31 07:11 |
| schestowitz | where lab=shop | Aug 31 07:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Obama should challenge Saudi Arabia http://ur1.ca/1eb9a | Aug 31 07:28 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] 'Free' H.264 a Precursor To WebM Patent War? http://bit.ly/cNq91f | Aug 31 07:36 | |
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| oiaohm | Really design to stop in the lab is not that hard. Many natural plants have done it. schestowitz | Aug 31 08:07 |
| oiaohm | Remove viable seads and polion production. | Aug 31 08:07 |
| oiaohm | GMO biggest threat is if it can damage the non lab stock completelly schestowitz | Aug 31 08:08 |
| oiaohm | So forcing us to use Lab stock that does not react to polon. | Aug 31 08:09 |
| MinceR | "Life finds a way." | Aug 31 08:10 |
| oiaohm | Yes but it does not mean we will be the life left alive. MinceR | Aug 31 08:10 |
| MinceR | that's true | Aug 31 08:11 |
| oiaohm | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20014864-264.html One card down. Now to get encoding free. | Aug 31 08:20 |
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| MinceR | and non-web streaming, and non-free use, and... | Aug 31 08:22 |
| MinceR | non-streaming downloads... | Aug 31 08:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Pressure to send more troops hard to resist http://ur1.ca/1ebqz | Aug 31 08:28 | |
| oiaohm | The battle is no where near over. | Aug 31 08:30 |
| oiaohm | Editing and producing is a big part. | Aug 31 08:31 |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Hold The Celebrations; H.264 Is Not The Sort Of Free That Matters - http://bit.ly/9KfNW7 @webmink spot on as usual #swpats #h264 #webm | Aug 31 08:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] great to see the fine investigative journalist @tonyrcollins joining me on Computerworld UK's blogs - http://bit.ly/cgWtn8 #blogs | Aug 31 08:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] The Art of 20th Century Fugue - http://bit.ly/dfKZZt a clever and fascinating #Spotify playlist | Aug 31 08:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Mark Waid is Right - http://bit.ly/9yDBr1 points out copyright was to *limit* the control of authors/heirs over creations (via @codepope) | Aug 31 08:37 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Gmail Priority Inbox: 5 Tips for Better Productivity - http://bit.ly/950AJ6 amazing they haven't done this before #email #priority | Aug 31 08:40 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] Commented on @webmink article http://bit.ly/9KfNW7 It's wrong that MPEG LA makes patent problem worse. Its $$$ terms don't impede adoption. | Aug 31 08:41 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] The thing to consider about MPEG LA is that if we had that type of licensing option in every field of technology => no more lawsuits etc. | Aug 31 08:42 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody You agree with @webmink on MPEG. Would you agree having Google in charge of it all is worse than dozens of patent contributors? | Aug 31 08:46 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @ffii Are you sure Paul Allen is a patent troll despite the credit for research collaboration Google gave Interval on an About page yrs ago? | Aug 31 08:47 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] If You’ve Got Social Media Fatigue, UR DOIN IT WRONG - http://tcrn.ch/9bYz8Q nice, sane piece #socialnws | Aug 31 08:49 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents really depends on the details - what "in charge" means, for example. If it means they pay for the coffee at meetings... | Aug 31 08:50 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody In case of WebM it means that they're going to run development in-house. Theoretically others could. Practically no one else will | Aug 31 08:53 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Creation of common EU patent system faces legal setback - http://bit.ly/aHT1Tq help from an unexpected quarter (via @schestowitz) #swpats | Aug 31 08:53 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody No swpat=>no MPEG, but a consortium of dozens of patent holders with diversity of interests is more reliable than single vendor. | Aug 31 08:54 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Let Larry know you care - http://bit.ly/d0sYG0 interesting to see James Goslling getting more involved in this #java #oracle | Aug 31 08:56 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I'm not supporting single vendor control (it should be under a foundation, say), but patent thickets aren't the way either... | Aug 31 08:59 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody MPEG isn't the root cause of the patent thicket in question. It's a commercially very acceptable solution and risk reduction. | Aug 31 09:00 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] The rare earth element big squeeze - http://bit.ly/b3F0SK good, detailed analysis of key area #rareearth #china | Aug 31 09:01 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody By not the root cause I mean those contributors would have done their codec R&D with the inevitable patenting activity anyway. | Aug 31 09:02 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents only because they're allowed to patent maths... | Aug 31 09:04 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Wind River launches Linux developer community - http://bit.ly/c8Txfb belated but welcome #linux #embedded | Aug 31 09:05 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody It's *applied* mathematics. That makes it so difficult because that's in countless other technologies, too. Where's the line? | Aug 31 09:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents there is *no* line - we should abolish all intellectual monopolies immediately: economically inefficient, socially unjust | Aug 31 09:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Heaps of Fossils From Evolutionary ‘Big Bang’ Discovered - http://bit.ly/cCe3Hd what is it with Canada and weirdness? #evolution | Aug 31 09:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody Well total IP abolition goes beyond what even I would demand and it won't happen in our lifetime. So we need solutions for today. | Aug 31 09:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents dare to be ambitious: huge shifts can happen quickly in unstable times... | Aug 31 09:37 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] The longer you sit, the earlier you die - http://bit.ly/do6wC1 well, it's been nice knowing you all... #sedentary | Aug 31 09:38 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] P2PU launches 3rd round of courses, with “Copyright for Educators” - http://bit.ly/azlNMD "simultaneously launching its School of Webcraft" | Aug 31 09:40 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Aug 31 09:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Election violence toward female candidates http://ur1.ca/1ecta | Aug 31 10:28 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Been in London for a mere 36 hours and now I'm in a cab again, headed for Heathrow and Melbourne and the #MWF and #WorldCon. | Aug 31 10:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Back at work on the novel after a month's absence. All but caught up on emails and post. 2 columns and 2 speeches to write in the sky | Aug 31 10:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Building Prisons Without Walls Using GPS Devices http://bit.ly/bK5QNh | Aug 31 10:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Got a bag of (great looking) books to read and review. 10h to HK, stop for 1h and send/emit email, then 10h more to Mel. | Aug 31 10:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Written 638 words of my 1000 in the taxi and I'm not even on the flyover yet. At this rate, I'll finish the speech too before checkin | Aug 31 10:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody I don't see any political instability whatsoever regarding IPRs. Industry is nearly 100% behind them worldwide: US EU China etc. | Aug 31 10:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I'm not talking about political instability regarding intellectual monopolies, I'm talking about *global* political instability | Aug 31 10:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot News Story | Building Prisons Without Walls Using GPS Devices .::. Size~: 86.29 KB | Aug 31 10:37 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Why Paul Allen (Interval Patent Troll) Targets Companies That Do Not Cross-license With (or Pay) #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/1ecua #swpats | Aug 31 10:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Man carrying rose caught on CCTV carrying a knife - http://bit.ly/9jSDw9 CCTV not only intrusive, it's often useless #surveillance | Aug 31 10:37 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Rise in use of EUPL for publishing open source software - http://bit.ly/9mkQn5 really? I've never come across one #licensing #eu | Aug 31 10:37 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody I still don't see how this would lead to IP abolition. Global political instability like new nuclear powers doesn't change IPRs. | Aug 31 10:42 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] Some zealots *still* don't know that patents are related to a territorial target market, irrespective of company HQ location. #boycottboy | Aug 31 10:45 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I'm mean major changes in social values as the old ones prove bankrupt (literally & metaphorically) | Aug 31 10:46 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody I don't deny serious problems of the current system but there'll be only gradual change, not a shift to IPR anarchy or communism. | Aug 31 10:48 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I don't think absence of intellectual monopolies is anarchy, just a removal of unwarranted constraints... | Aug 31 10:53 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody I said *IPR* not general anarchy. IPRs = monopolies. Questions are where grant fosters creativity and what forms of use hurt most | Aug 31 10:57 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody It's obvious that IPRs are needed though there's need for improvement. Just look at computer games: great stuff needs huge budget | Aug 31 10:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Carbon upset http://ur1.ca/1edg2 | Aug 31 11:28 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] RT @DrRimmer: It is a tragedy that Sony - the champions of consumer time-shifting - supports over-broad interpretations of TPMs. | Aug 31 11:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] iFixit Moves Into Console Repair http://bit.ly/aiJjnK | Aug 31 11:37 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I don't know of any research that shows they foster creativity...but the contrary | Aug 31 11:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents there are lots of ways of recouping investment without needing intellectual monopolies | Aug 31 11:39 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Shameful News Industry Willing To Sacrifice Wikileaks To Get Shield Law http://dlvr.it/4VB3q | Aug 31 11:39 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: OIN, Patent Attorney Ignorance, “Ultimate Patent Troll”, the Rambus Submarine Patent... http://ur1.ca/1edl4 #swpats | Aug 31 11:43 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @KoenigLudwigI: Diese modernen Medien stehen auch einer Majestät zur Seite. Ein gutes Werk meiner Untertanen. | Aug 31 11:44 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Shameful News Industry Willing To Sacrifice Wikileaks To Get Shield Law - http://bit.ly/bTEp4q confirms MSM is morally bankrupt | Aug 31 11:45 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Wrongfully Accused Of File-Sharing? File For Harassment - http://bit.ly/d0BSV8 great idea #filesharing #harassment | Aug 31 11:46 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] International team developing open source hospital information system - http://bit.ly/dvhR0A potentially big #eu #healthcare | Aug 31 11:48 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Catholics Take Out Bus Ads Aimed At Pope - http://bit.ly/8YMRK1 nice one #catholics #pope | Aug 31 11:49 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Why does Slashdot use scary headlines? http://ur1.ca/1edng "'Free' H.264 a Precursor To WebM Patent War?" | Aug 31 11:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | 'Free' H.264 a Precursor To WebM Patent War? .::. Size~: 145.75 KB | Aug 31 11:51 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody No shortage of pro-IPR studies and above all there's empirical evidence. Look at financials of pro-IP businesses vs. anti-IP. | Aug 31 11:57 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody There must be both models, IPR-centric and more free/open. Non-IPR can't replace the largest part of all innovative industries. | Aug 31 11:58 | |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 31 11:59 |
| schestowitz | [08:41] [Notice] -TRT to #techrights- [fosspatents] Commented on @webmink article http://bit.ly/9KfNW7 It's wrong that MPEG LA makes patent problem worse. Its $$$ terms don't impede adoption. | Aug 31 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | What a weasel | Aug 31 11:59 |
| schestowitz | THat's the guy who pretends to oppose software patents | Aug 31 11:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Bad decision today:"I don't need Quiet Car. This 05:30 Amtrak train #NYP -> #BAL is nearly empty". Philadelphia people are loud & numerous. | Aug 31 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Separating settlers from the majority of Israel http://ur1.ca/1edzp | Aug 31 12:33 | |
| schestowitz | This is true. It's like neocons or KKK | Aug 31 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Or Al Qaeda | Aug 31 12:37 |
| schestowitz | COllectivism... same in FOSS, where people lump Ballmer in with proprietary | Aug 31 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Or where Fauxpatent is painted as a FOSS person | Aug 31 12:37 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[davidgerard] Have the MOST ANNOYING PHONE IN HISTORY. http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/whitecat/259/80spage.htm | Aug 31 12:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @koenigludwigi: Hiermit werden die wahren Bajuwaren zum Followen seiner Majestät aufgefordert. Bitte RT. | aber gerne, Majestät! | Aug 31 12:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Man carrying rose caught on CCTV carrying a knife - http://bit.ly/9jSDw9 CCTV not only intrusive, it's often useless | Aug 31 12:37 | |
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| schestowitz | See the conversation above where he argues for patents with Moody | Aug 31 12:38 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents yes, look at the fact that total legal costs of litigating sw patents *outweighed* total sw patent licensing income... | Aug 31 12:42 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents disagree | Aug 31 12:42 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody Even if true that swpat litigation cost outweighs licensing income, swpats still serve strat purpose. Prove: industry wants them. | Aug 31 12:54 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody Even if true that swpat litigation cost outweighs licensing income, swpats still serve strat purpose. Proof: industry wants them. | Aug 31 12:55 | |
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| uhhh | are you guys really that stupid as to think miguel didn't write gnumeric? | Aug 31 13:00 |
| uhhh | seriously? | Aug 31 13:00 |
| uhhh | are you guys retarded or something? | Aug 31 13:00 |
| uhhh | you guys seem to love making up your own history to fit your hatred for miguel | Aug 31 13:01 |
| uhhh | and what's he ever done to you? | Aug 31 13:01 |
| uhhh | nothing. | Aug 31 13:01 |
| uhhh | and then there's the whole badmouthing mono thing | Aug 31 13:02 |
| uhhh | you guys bully the bullied | Aug 31 13:02 |
| uhhh | and it makes you feel all tough and important? | Aug 31 13:02 |
| uhhh | lol | Aug 31 13:02 |
| uhhh | if you guys really dislike patents (and I agree, they should be done away with) | Aug 31 13:02 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] Excellent article: three myths about WikiLeaks | Le Monde Diplomatic http://bit.ly/9meCqn | Aug 31 13:02 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Who Steals the Gene from Off the Common - http://bit.ly/cXyYLd the Great Enclosure Lie 2.0 #sciencecommons | Aug 31 13:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Three digital myths - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition .::. Size~: 29.58 KB | Aug 31 13:02 |
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| uhhh | then spend your energies attacking the source, not the free software projects | Aug 31 13:03 |
| oiaohm | uhhh: The patent issues of .net have not been cleared up at this time fully. There are too many loop holes in the agreements. | Aug 31 13:03 |
| uhhh | and maybe start doing a bit of research before making accusations and insinuations about things that take 30 seconds to disprove | Aug 31 13:03 |
| uhhh | oiaohm: then lobby against Microsoft to make them clearer / fix them | Aug 31 13:04 |
| uhhh | don't attack Mono | Aug 31 13:04 |
| oiaohm | At least with java I can find the coverage rules that make you 100 percent safe. | Aug 31 13:04 |
| uhhh | they aren't doing anything wrong | Aug 31 13:04 |
| uhhh | they aren't the ones who threaten | Aug 31 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Really. | Aug 31 13:04 |
| oiaohm | How does Novell use its patents. | Aug 31 13:04 |
| uhhh | for defense only | Aug 31 13:04 |
| MinceR | poor little m$, everyone picks on them. | Aug 31 13:04 |
| oiaohm | History is offensive. | Aug 31 13:04 |
| MinceR | that's rich. | Aug 31 13:04 |
| uhhh | they have never sued | Aug 31 13:04 |
| uhhh | you guys are retarded | Aug 31 13:05 |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] RT @malini_aisola: ACTA Japan round, purportedly the FINAL one, starting as early as September 23 in Tokyo | Aug 31 13:05 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Aug 31 13:05 | |
| MinceR | does this retard at least get paid for that astroturfing? | Aug 31 13:05 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to MinceR tessier | Aug 31 13:06 | |
| MinceR | thx | Aug 31 13:06 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Aug 31 13:06 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] US movie tickets get biggest price hike in history - http://bit.ly/9UwcR1 gosh, piracy really taking its toll #fud #piracy | Aug 31 13:06 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents they think they want them because everyone else has them: MAD.... | Aug 31 13:06 | |
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| oiaohm | Boy these trolls don't get it you don't have to sue directly to use patent offensively. | Aug 31 13:09 |
| schestowitz | [13:04] <uhhh> they have never sued | Aug 31 13:09 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 31 13:09 |
| schestowitz | They sues *AND* extorted. A LOT. | Aug 31 13:09 |
| schestowitz | He sounds like Microsoft Florian | Aug 31 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Same talking point | Aug 31 13:10 |
| schestowitz | This troll comes from near Walham | Aug 31 13:10 |
| MinceR | florian talks like a child too? | Aug 31 13:10 |
| schestowitz | That's where many of the Mono trolls come from.. and work | Aug 31 13:10 |
| schestowitz | "hsd1.ma.comcast.net" | Aug 31 13:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no | Aug 31 13:11 |
| MinceR | should we ban comcast? | Aug 31 13:11 |
| schestowitz | I think this trolls rhymes with "droll" | Aug 31 13:11 |
| oiaohm | I find it funny how fast the disappear when you say History is offensive | Aug 31 13:11 |
| oiaohm | I think they wake up they are opening a pandoras box. | Aug 31 13:11 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/861576_baby_drool.jpg | Aug 31 13:12 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: what do you mean? | Aug 31 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Novell history is nice and mixed. | Aug 31 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Novell set SCO up to attack Linux then plays white knight when it started going wrong. | Aug 31 13:12 |
| oiaohm | This is normal master troll releations. | Aug 31 13:13 |
| oiaohm | SCO attacking Linux so allowing Novell to attack them so killing off one of Novell biggest competitors has to be one of the most evil company moves I have ever seen. | Aug 31 13:14 |
| oiaohm | I really do fell sorry for some people who invested in SCO. | Aug 31 13:15 |
| MinceR | serves them right | Aug 31 13:15 |
| MinceR | they should have taken their money out of SCO the moment mcbride started the dickery | Aug 31 13:16 |
| oiaohm | What do you think Novell would have done if SCO had won against Linux. | Aug 31 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Yep stepped up killed SCO and become the master. | Aug 31 13:16 |
| oiaohm | SCO basically was a puppet so if it did not work Novell would not have to take the fall out. | Aug 31 13:16 |
| schestowitz | [13:15] <MinceR> serves them right | Aug 31 13:17 |
| schestowitz | With GNU/Linux | Aug 31 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Oh, not anymore I see... http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/graph?site=www.sco.com | Aug 31 13:18 |
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| oiaohm | The levels I see things from is different to a lot of people. Its nice and simple to blame SCO. | Aug 31 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Novell could have stepped up as soon as SCO started demarding licences. | Aug 31 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Instead waited until SCO attacked IBM and IBM was going to hit back hard before stepping up. | Aug 31 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Sad part is we are never going to see the IBM counter case fully. | Aug 31 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Reason why I see Novell and SCO as a master slave setup. | Aug 31 13:23 |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] test #sptc | Aug 31 13:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Flight Data Recorders, Decades Out of Date http://bit.ly/aJuDpD | Aug 31 13:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] RT @mgeist RT @malini_aisola: ACTA Japan round, purportedly the FINAL one, starting as early as September 23 in Tokyo | Aug 31 13:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody It's a mistake to limit to licensing income and litigation cost. Overlooks that competitors don't do certain things in 1st place. | Aug 31 13:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody If it were just about MAD then they'd simply lobby against those patents and industry as a whole could abolish. It's about more. | Aug 31 13:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] Is FB migrating to Windows? Or why is it so fscking slow and full of error 500/404 today? ;-) | Aug 31 13:37 | |
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| MinceR | time to migrate off FB-I, then :> | Aug 31 13:38 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 31 13:39 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna say as soon as I read that | Aug 31 13:39 |
| MinceR | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/sweaty-zuckerberg-has-his-richard-nixon-moment-20100603-x2gp.html http://gawker.com/5556552/the-facebook-illuminati-symbol-hidden-inside-mark-zuckerbergs-hoodie | Aug 31 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 31 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Shouldn't he just be pale? | Aug 31 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Made me think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9reH2TJg4E | Aug 31 13:42 |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents because there are so many swpats, that means that *everyone* doesn't do something = *less* innovation: QED | Aug 31 13:42 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Commercialization of IP In Canadian Universities: Barely Better Than Break Even - http://bit.ly/btuAsv i.e. waste of time #canada | Aug 31 13:44 | |
| MinceR | maybe zuckerberg is secretly related to ballmer? | Aug 31 13:45 |
| MinceR | it would explain the sweat | Aug 31 13:45 |
| MinceR | and the evilness | Aug 31 13:45 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] I've been going through some of the latest material at http://jcmr-online.com/ which is Open Access for the most part. It's catching on #oa | Aug 31 13:45 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Guardian Science blogs - http://bit.ly/bsd2vm nice, important move #blogging #science | Aug 31 13:46 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[thistleweb] Another day, another Apple advert disguised as news http://bit.ly/9mpyl1 | Aug 31 13:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: iPhone set to replace the stethoscope | Technology | The Guardian .::. Size~: 78.45 KB | Aug 31 13:51 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[thistleweb] Android has something similar btw | Aug 31 13:52 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] "Cardiac Imaging" has this < http://ur1.ca/1eenh > from 2010, which it makes viewable as HTML < http://ur1.ca/1eeni > | Aug 31 13:58 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Nice to see: "This article is distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial License" #openaccess #science | Aug 31 13:58 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Class Action Lawsuit Says Facebook Violated The Law By Letting Kids Like Ads http://dlvr.it/4VQNR | Aug 31 13:59 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @FFII_de: @jwildeboer Nach Agent Müller zugespielten Informationen sei Allen vielleicht doch kein Patenttroll. #swpat | Aug 31 14:03 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Aug 31 14:30 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #boycottnovell and #boycottnovell-social | Aug 31 14:30 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:18:45 2010 | Aug 31 14:30 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[thistleweb] Traditonal news agencies who back this should be ashamed of themselves http://bit.ly/bTjghh | Aug 31 14:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] 1 day seminar on "Software patent and the Commons" will be available live here http://seminar.knowledgecommons.in/SPtC.html #SPtC | Aug 31 14:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] I am testing , you can see me live - http://seminar.knowledgecommons.in/SPtC.html | Aug 31 14:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] What Paul Allen and Larry Ellison Have in Common - http://bit.ly/cCCOdY maybe they just can't help it #swpats | Aug 31 14:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] StormOS Hail Beta - A very stormy experience http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/stormos-beta.html #openslowlarrys #unix | Aug 31 14:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] UK: 'Government use of ODF would help break vendor lock-in' http://ur1.ca/1ecis #uk #odf | Aug 31 14:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- apnea cardiac MRI http://youtu.be/_58l6oFhfZU?a | Aug 31 14:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[thistleweb] If you run a Drupal site and want your images etc indexed by the search engines, I suggest you read this post http://bit.ly/d47dI3 | Aug 31 14:37 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] The rare earth element big squeeze http://ur1.ca/1eeug [via @glynmoody ] | Aug 31 14:37 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Trade groups: policing our digital copyrights is just too hard - http://bit.ly/cChrPd one-sided laws just not one-sided enough #dmca | Aug 31 14:37 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] My brainy friend @quadricode sez WHY strtotime() smells. "overloading is only as good as the type system" http://mnvl.org/quad/qqqqssss?p=p2 | Aug 31 14:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Musopen Wants to Give Classical Music to the Public Domain - http://bit.ly/ciofu8 victim of #copyright maximalism #classicalmusic | Aug 31 14:38 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] Commercialization of intellectual property in Canadian universities: Barely better than break even http://bit.ly/ct4T12 | Aug 31 14:40 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @swardley: VMWare knows the server virt market will commoditise rapidly, wonder if the VMWare vCloud(TM) DataCentre partners know this? | Aug 31 14:41 | |
| MinceR | Irrational Exuberance! | Aug 31 14:43 |
| *MinceR wonders if "QQQQ SSSS" really originates from that animutation or elsewhere | Aug 31 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | Preston Gralla FUD http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/08/30/gnulinux-is-very-secure/ | Aug 31 14:53 |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Links 31/8/2010: #Linux Developer Community From Wind River, Multitouch Tablet http://ur1.ca/1ef34 #techrights | Aug 31 14:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 31/8/2010: !Linux Developer Community From Wind River, Multitouch Tablet http://ur1.ca/1ef34 !techrights | Aug 31 14:58 | |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2010/08/buy-buy-baby-is-motto-for-intel-and-others-lately.html | Aug 31 15:13 |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] It's time for Lotus to double-down on Linux and open source http://www.dominopower.com/issues/issue201008/00002554001.html #Linux Me: Amen. | Aug 31 15:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @carlopiana: ♺ @mjjzf @xo: Masking embarassing items in your shopping cart: http://is.gd/eNpRf < LOL | Aug 31 15:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] The Case for IPv6 in an IPv4 World: The Manager’s View http://bit.ly/9qUQ1x by @sjvn #IPv6 | Aug 31 15:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] RT @wrash: India's BlackBerry reprieve is good, but Indian security services should know the effort is futile http://tinyurl.com/235gc2e | Aug 31 15:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] How to Save Money on Disaster Recovery http://bit.ly/bt247h | Aug 31 15:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] "Five Reasons Linux Beats Windows for Servers" http://is.gd/eNrE4 | Aug 31 15:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] 11 Apache Technologies for the Enterprise http://bit.ly/dtM4yD You know, it's a lot more than just a Web server. | Aug 31 15:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Ridiculous Content Restrictions Mean NBC Loses Viral Buzz For Emmy Clips http://dlvr.it/4VZpW | Aug 31 15:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] Australia's political uncertainty may hamper its ability to sign ACTA http://bit.ly/c7Y8CH | Aug 31 15:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] LB – Episode 60 – Spork You Oracle by #LinuxBasement http://ur1.ca/1efdy One of my favourite shows | Aug 31 15:38 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Customizable Linux tablet features 10.1-inch multitouch display http://ur1.ca/1efe4 except #hypePad almost every tablet is #Linux based | Aug 31 15:39 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] anyone who grabs a general purpose RDBMS & throws 100GB a day at it will recapitulate what's been learned in 50yrs of data warehousing. #sql | Aug 31 15:39 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] RT @gregobr: Wholesale access still mandated, but with an extra 10% mark-up; Bell to lobby cabinet again http://bit.ly/cNUtzW | Aug 31 15:46 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] RT @techdirt: Yet Another Study Says Counterfeit Products Aren't Really A Problem http://dlvr.it/4Sf78 | Aug 31 15:50 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] RT @Joab_Jackson: Twitter migrates to easier-to-use third party sign-on method, OAuth (Network World): http://bit.ly/9lo5Lk | Aug 31 15:52 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] I spent total 2200 Rs per month for Internet. :( TAta Wimax (1700) + reliance USB stick (500) #internet | Aug 31 15:54 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[einfeldt] RT @LoungeFlyZ: @BR3NDA If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. | Aug 31 16:03 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] RT @KatrinaNation 7 years of fighting, 4400 US soldiers & countless Iraqis killed. $ 1 tln & counting. Worth it? No. // +a nation destroyed | Aug 31 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] How's HaikuOS doing ? I'm very curious about testing it. But, what about hardware support ? | Aug 31 16:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] "Apple's latest DRM patent" http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/1313 !fsf !dbd !lp | Aug 31 16:33 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] GMail Introduces Priority Inbox http://bit.ly/axyZan | Aug 31 16:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[_the_mad_hatter] I subscribed to debbieohi's channel on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/user/debbieohi?feature=autoshare | Aug 31 16:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[ffii] #ACTA negotiators are amateurs, Sept conclusion is impossible. http://bit.ly/ds8Bef | Aug 31 16:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[jonobacon] Howdy all, how are you all doing today, friends? | Aug 31 16:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] RT @Tynan_on_TechThree great moments in Facebook stupidity http://bit.ly/b7C1vd #fb | Aug 31 16:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] A Rose Is A Rose Is A Rose... Until Police See It On CCTV, Say It's A Knife & Throw You In Jail For 3 Months http://dlvr.it/4VkTY | Aug 31 16:38 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[ffii] US aimed to conclude ACTA prior to the end of the Bush administration term | Aug 31 16:38 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[ffii] Trade administrations lack experience in legislative dialogue because it's not supposed to be their business #acta | Aug 31 16:38 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] IPv6, Google, and Your Business http://bit.ly/dozGpY Here's how #Google has been handling #IPv6 | Aug 31 16:44 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] The Map of Critical Thinking and Modern Science http://bit.ly/bXp5sx | Aug 31 16:46 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] RT @tradelawyer: Is Canada "the true telecom backwater"? http://ow.ly/2x5wq | Aug 31 16:50 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] This Week Is a Coming-Out Party for Android Tablets - http://bit.ly/b3kTCC good to see Oracle hasn't derailed this #android #tablets | Aug 31 16:53 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Pirate Bay Movie Fully Funded In Three Days - http://bit.ly/dA2Q5V by the people etc. #film #funding | Aug 31 16:54 | |
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| -TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] RT @mjasay: A minor epiphany on how Canonical shd be marketing itself http://bit.ly/cXOAGn | Aug 31 16:56 | |
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| schestowitz | "Users of obscure third-party Twitter applications may be surprised to find that their apps no longer work, if the app creators of those apps haven't been keeping up with changes in the Twitter API (application programming interface). " probably explained the lag | Aug 31 17:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz RT @ffii #ACTA negotiators are amateurs, Sept conclusion is impossible. http://bit.ly/ds8Bef | Aug 31 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada: Serving the Public…? http://whoacanada.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/serving-the-public/ #cdnpoli !c32 #ElectoralReform #democracy | Aug 31 17:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Project Gutenberg: Timeline Events - http://bit.ly/d31Q6p some updated stats #projectgutenberg #ebooks | Aug 31 17:33 | |
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| gnufreex | Hi | Aug 31 17:40 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Documentário The Pirate Bay - Away From Keyboard precisa de um editor http://bit.ly/aCmOWy | Aug 31 18:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Kickstarter - TPB AFK: The Pirate Bay – Away From Keyboard: http://kck.st/9W5GAV | Aug 31 18:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yes, "We Love Open Source", thus spake M$ with a forked tongue! http://ur1.ca/1eguo #fb | Aug 31 18:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Debian Project mourns the loss of Frans Pop http://ping.fm/4N7D5 | Aug 31 18:33 | |
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| schestowitz | Mac Asay: | Aug 31 18:36 |
| schestowitz | http://voices.canonical.com/matt.asay/2010/08/31/thinking-different-at-canonical/ | Aug 31 18:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: On the Other Hand& » Blog Archive » Thinking different at Canonical .::. Size~: 15.56 KB | Aug 31 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Think different. | Aug 31 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Sounds familiar. | Aug 31 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Aug 31 18:36 |
| schestowitz | "In other words, we’re spreading like Apple. We should market in similar ways." | Aug 31 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Now that's why I call him Mac Asay | Aug 31 18:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Cinco motivos que colocam o Linux à frente do Windows em servidores #Linux http://t.co/i5Y7Orz | Aug 31 18:38 | |
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| MinceR | as long as "don't" is "different" | Aug 31 18:40 |
| MinceR | i'd say "Don't Think" is pretty mainstream nowadays, and so is crApple | Aug 31 18:40 |
| gnufreex | I think Ubuntu is going Mono way just because they know that Fedora won't include Mono apps | Aug 31 18:40 |
| gnufreex | They want to be "different" | Aug 31 18:40 |
| MinceR | so that's why they copy macos | Aug 31 18:40 |
| gnufreex | To have apps that Fedora don't have | Aug 31 18:41 |
| MinceR | they want to be "different" (read: same) | Aug 31 18:41 |
| gnufreex | They hate Red Hat. Shuttleworth trashes Red Hat regualrly | Aug 31 18:41 |
| gnufreex | And Mac Assay too | Aug 31 18:41 |
| gnufreex | They want to be different than Fedora | Aug 31 18:41 |
| gnufreex | To take all fedora code and give nothing back | Aug 31 18:42 |
| gnufreex | So they writte their crap in Mono | Aug 31 18:42 |
| gnufreex | So Red Hat won't include it | Aug 31 18:42 |
| gnufreex | in Fedora | Aug 31 18:42 |
| ThistleWeb | rofl, I'd love to see a canonical meeting agenda, top of the page is a list of what fedora do, next is that copied and pasted with the is / isn't reversed......meeting over | Aug 31 18:56 |
| ThistleWeb | thats the whole reason for being in business, reverse what fedora do | Aug 31 18:56 |
| ThistleWeb | just to be different | Aug 31 18:56 |
| ThistleWeb | you wouldnt even need staff to attend the meetings, just script the change and send the word out | Aug 31 18:57 |
| ThistleWeb | "hey guys, don't bother trying to come up with anything, fedora have set our agenda for us" | Aug 31 18:57 |
| ThistleWeb | or is this just another anti-ubuntu convo? | Aug 31 18:58 |
| ThistleWeb | find an excuse to bash them and begin | Aug 31 18:58 |
| gnufreex | TristleWeb: No, I didn't meant that way. They use common base, same as Debian and Fedora and all else. | Aug 31 18:58 |
| gnufreex | Problem is that they don't want oters to use their specific changes | Aug 31 18:59 |
| schestowitz | [18:41] <gnufreex> They hate Red Hat. Shuttleworth trashes Red Hat regualrly | Aug 31 18:59 |
| gnufreex | That is why people call them leeches | Aug 31 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Not true | Aug 31 18:59 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Shuttleworth said RH is propriatary company. | Aug 31 19:00 |
| gnufreex | And he refused to take that back later | Aug 31 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | and? | Aug 31 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | how does that fit with "constantly trashing them"? | Aug 31 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | one comment | Aug 31 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe a few more during interviews | Aug 31 19:00 |
| gnufreex | Not one comment, Canonical marketing is based on that. | Aug 31 19:01 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: got the link? | Aug 31 19:01 |
| ThistleWeb | "constantly trashing" suggests a campaign directed at them | Aug 31 19:01 |
| gnufreex | Hod on | Aug 31 19:01 |
| gnufreex | Hold* | Aug 31 19:01 |
| ThistleWeb | not just comments made by people in a larger context where many subjects are discussed | Aug 31 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 31 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I want to see the context | Aug 31 19:02 |
| ThistleWeb | and the frequency | Aug 31 19:03 |
| gnufreex | Here is where he should take back his claim, but he didn't http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/442 | Aug 31 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I remember when Microsoft Florian told me that Gosling praises Microsoft or something | Aug 31 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | I asked for a link and then it turned out that he slammed then | Aug 31 19:03 |
| schestowitz | *thewm | Aug 31 19:03 |
| gnufreex | Wait, I am searaching | Aug 31 19:03 |
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| gnufreex | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/77#comment-32120 | Aug 31 19:04 |
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| gnufreex | Here is where he originaly made that claim | Aug 31 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: Whats that about? | Aug 31 19:04 |
| schestowitz | "Red Hat’s success in proving a viable business model around a distribution was a very significant milestone in that quest, for all of us. I don’t mean to diminish that achievement when I point out that it’s come at the cost of dividing the world into those that buy RHEL, and those that can’t or won’t. " | Aug 31 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | the Mark link? | Aug 31 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | Hi people | Aug 31 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | Aug 31 19:04 | |
| schestowitz | Where does he say it's proprietary? | Aug 31 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | oh the Redhat thing | Aug 31 19:04 |
| schestowitz | He commends them | Aug 31 19:04 |
| schestowitz | There's centos | Aug 31 19:04 |
| ThistleWeb | canonical are competing directly against redhat and suse for buisnesses who pay support contracts too, it's natural that they'll target their marketing to that focus, to show why they're different ffrom the competition | Aug 31 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Let's be fair. He needn't apologise for that | Aug 31 19:05 |
| gnufreex | Greg DeKoenigsberg attacked him because of that. And later apoligised for overreacting. | Aug 31 19:06 |
| ThistleWeb | to me "constantly trashing" would fit someone like ballmer or mcbride | Aug 31 19:06 |
| gnufreex | http://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/old-wounds/ | Aug 31 19:06 |
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| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: He never took back his claim | Aug 31 19:06 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm waiting to see this campaign of trashing | Aug 31 19:07 |
| ThistleWeb | one or two comments do not make a campaign | Aug 31 19:07 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: maybe he had his hands full :-0 | Aug 31 19:07 |
| gnufreex | It is enough to make most Ubunut fanboys repeat it. ThistleWeb | Aug 31 19:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-07-30-028-35-OS-CY-UB | Aug 31 19:08 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I generally dislike lazy people. But, on occasion, someone's laziness actually advances software freedom. In such cases, I like laziness. | Aug 31 19:08 | |
| ThistleWeb | gnufreex: you mentione MARK is constantly trashing redhat | Aug 31 19:08 |
| schestowitz | "I think Mark Shuttleworth and Jono Bacon (Jono is the Community Manager) are more adept at deflecting criticism than addressing it. But I can't get too worked up about this because nobody likes being criticized and crabbed at, and the higher your profile the more people see you as a target than a person. I've been guilty of all of these things. Most everyone has. " | Aug 31 19:08 |
| schestowitz | "I have never heard Mark Shuttleworth, Jono Bacon, or anyone representing Ubuntu or Canonical put down other Linux distributions or contributors. In my grumpier moments their relentlessly positive, cult-like Kumbaya-or-else approach makes me want to turn the hose on them. But I don't remember them attacking anyone else the way they've been attacked. " | Aug 31 19:08 |
| ThistleWeb | now you're asked to show it, you then say "well, it's the fans" | Aug 31 19:08 |
| ThistleWeb | mark != ubuntu users | Aug 31 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | what does != mean again? | Aug 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu users can include DaemonTrolls | Aug 31 19:09 |
| ThistleWeb | means "not equal to" | Aug 31 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: DeamonFC? :D | Aug 31 19:09 |
| gnufreex | Stuttleworth is setting agenda | Aug 31 19:10 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 31 19:10 |
| *sebsebseb likes a few little things about Ubuntu 10.10 | Aug 31 19:10 | |
| gnufreex | You can read Mac Asay's posts on cnet | Aug 31 19:10 |
| gnufreex | And on other sites | Aug 31 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | for example how the window borders don't look uh, in the default hteme | Aug 31 19:10 |
| gnufreex | Since he got into canonical | Aug 31 19:10 |
| ThistleWeb | and matts comments are again not mark | Aug 31 19:11 |
| ThistleWeb | you make a claim, then try to move the goalposts when asked to provide examples | Aug 31 19:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess it's an easy accusation to throw out until you're asked to give examples | Aug 31 19:12 |
| gnufreex | I provided examples. | Aug 31 19:12 |
| ThistleWeb | no, you never showed a campaign of trashing | Aug 31 19:12 |
| ThistleWeb | you showed 1 or 2 comments, and somehow that equals a campaign of constant trashing | Aug 31 19:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] another month, another release: http://dot.kde.org/2010/08/31/kde-releases-451 | Aug 31 19:13 | |
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| gnufreex | He atacked Red Hat years ago, unrightfully , and didn't apoligise when called out. That means he realy meant what he said. | Aug 31 19:13 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe so, but where is the constant trashing? | Aug 31 19:13 |
| ThistleWeb | did he add those comments as his sig on forums? | Aug 31 19:13 |
| ThistleWeb | did he set up a site to pull thse comments out and emphasise them? | Aug 31 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | did he do talks about them at debcon? | Aug 31 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | or was it just a couple of comments in a much wider interview? | Aug 31 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | seems to me like you're cherry picking stuff as an excuse to flame them | Aug 31 19:15 |
| gnufreex | There are lots of reasons why they should be flamed | Aug 31 19:15 |
| ThistleWeb | trying to somehow connect a things out of context | Aug 31 19:15 |
| ThistleWeb | then do it fairly | Aug 31 19:15 |
| gnufreex | But I don't want to flame them for evenrything. Some things are not their fault entirely. | Aug 31 19:16 |
| ThistleWeb | otherwise it just looks like an excuse to flame them | Aug 31 19:16 |
| ThistleWeb | and nobody is gonna take you serious when they detect that as a motive | Aug 31 19:16 |
| gnufreex | I could flame them all day, there is so much material. | Aug 31 19:16 |
| gnufreex | But I am not doing it. | Aug 31 19:17 |
| gnufreex | Because it is not all their fault. | Aug 31 19:17 |
| gnufreex | Using Mono is their fault. | Aug 31 19:17 |
| gnufreex | FUDing Red Hat is their fault | Aug 31 19:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @x1101 @bkuhn isn't everyone who scripts essentially lazy? | Aug 31 19:18 | |
| *ThistleWeb is wondering if this "FUDing RH" claim will stand up to any questioning either, and can't really be bothered finding out | Aug 31 19:19 | |
| *ThistleWeb suspects its yet another couple of random comments which is supposedly a campaign | Aug 31 19:20 | |
| ThistleWeb | they use mono because it's currently not a threat | Aug 31 19:21 |
| ThistleWeb | at least that's my understanding | Aug 31 19:22 |
| MinceR | no, they use mono either because they _believe_ it's currently not a threat | Aug 31 19:22 |
| ThistleWeb | if it becomes a threat down the line, which it most likely will be, they will remove it then | Aug 31 19:22 |
| MinceR | or because they knowingly serve m$'s agenda | Aug 31 19:22 |
| gnufreex | Mono is not only a patent threat. It is threat every day. | Aug 31 19:22 |
| MinceR | yes, and they'll rewrite half of gnome in a day, right? | Aug 31 19:23 |
| MinceR | and half the kernel, if it comes to that | Aug 31 19:23 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah sorry MinceR my tinfoil hat slipped off, you're right of course | Aug 31 19:23 |
| MinceR | very funny | Aug 31 19:23 |
| gnufreex | I refuse to beleive that Canonical serves M$ agenda, so I am saying that they use Mono in order to diferientate from Fedora... | Aug 31 19:23 |
| MinceR | almost as funny as a patent lawsuit | Aug 31 19:23 |
| MinceR | almost | Aug 31 19:23 |
| gnufreex | ... do you prefer me to say that they are helpin M$, ThistleWeb? | Aug 31 19:24 |
| gnufreex | I don't really beleive that., | Aug 31 19:24 |
| MinceR | i hope canonical doesn't serve m$, but they keep giving signals that conflict with this view | Aug 31 19:24 |
| MinceR | maybe they're just exceptionally naive | Aug 31 19:24 |
| MinceR | (not just mono, there was also the bìng incident) | Aug 31 19:25 |
| ThistleWeb | or they see it as it is, right now it's not a threat, it may become one down the line if MS decide to act on it, but right now it's not | Aug 31 19:25 |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <gnufreex> He atacked Red Hat years ago, unrightfully , and didn't apoligise when called out. That means he realy meant what he said. | Aug 31 19:25 |
| schestowitz | He competes with them | Aug 31 19:25 |
| schestowitz | And also collaborates on code | Aug 31 19:25 |
| MinceR | like i said, when the lawsuit comes, they'll rewrite half of gnome in a day | Aug 31 19:25 |
| gnufreex | MinceR: There are lots of MS astroturfers and lobyists in Ubunut coummunity. They let them once in, now they can't get them out. | Aug 31 19:25 |
| ThistleWeb | the deeper mono gets into the core stuff, the longer it will take to remove it, I agree | Aug 31 19:25 |
| MinceR | and they won't mind giving up years of work because of it, either | Aug 31 19:26 |
| ThistleWeb | so every gnome distro has mono? | Aug 31 19:26 |
| ThistleWeb | I thought fedora didnt | Aug 31 19:26 |
| MinceR | not yet | Aug 31 19:26 |
| MinceR | canonical does have an effect on it, do they not? | Aug 31 19:26 |
| MinceR | gnome is already infested with monomaniacs | Aug 31 19:27 |
| MinceR | like captain dildo | Aug 31 19:27 |
| MinceR | also, someone said that ubuntu forums are controlled by linsux trolls | Aug 31 19:27 |
| ThistleWeb | isnt it possible that some people actually like mono and think its progress? | Aug 31 19:27 |
| MinceR | sure | Aug 31 19:27 |
| MinceR | people who work for m$ like it | Aug 31 19:27 |
| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: Yes, it is posible. And that is biggest problem. | Aug 31 19:28 |
| MinceR | and it's certainly progress... for them | Aug 31 19:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Listening to @timlouisjazz "Mood Swings" while slugging through yesterday's CRTC decision (no link-cd purchased from artist) !stopUBB | Aug 31 19:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Pirate Bay Movie Fully Funded In Three Days - http://bit.ly/dA2Q5V by the people etc. #film #funding | Aug 31 19:28 | |
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| MinceR | for the rest of us, it's a trap | Aug 31 19:28 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, I read that in the sound of Admiral Ackbar | Aug 31 19:28 |
| ThistleWeb | "it's a trap!" | Aug 31 19:28 |
| gnufreex | It is a trap in more ways than one. | Aug 31 19:28 |
| gnufreex | And they try to ridicule that notion, like you are doing it now ThistleWeb. | Aug 31 19:29 |
| MinceR | http://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tarp-30198.jpg | Aug 31 19:29 |
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| ThistleWeb | while it's just apps, they can be whipped out and replaced if or when MS send out the lawyers | Aug 31 19:29 |
| MinceR | the monomaniacs try to drown us out in noise | Aug 31 19:29 |
| MinceR | astroturfing and brainwashing | Aug 31 19:29 |
| MinceR | if there's no untainted alternative then not even apps can be "just [...] whipped out and replaced" | Aug 31 19:30 |
| schestowitz | or compatible | Aug 31 19:30 |
| MinceR | either way, effort is wasted on maintaining an app for m$ to own | Aug 31 19:30 |
| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: It is not just about suing and lawyers. All Mono apps work on Windows. And since .NET is real thing, some people will prefer that. Mono is just a copy. .NET apps don't work in Mono | Aug 31 19:30 |
| gnufreex | It makes Linux inferior choice | Aug 31 19:31 |
| MinceR | that too | Aug 31 19:31 |
| MinceR | the arrangement is designed to make sure that mono will forever remain an inferior clone of .net that is behind it | Aug 31 19:31 |
| ThistleWeb | it'll be disruptive yes, fatal? I doubt that | Aug 31 19:31 |
| MinceR | depends on how much work/code they hold hostage | Aug 31 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe canonical will learn their lesson when that day comes | Aug 31 19:32 |
| MinceR | remember, all that will have to be rewritten, unless they can find a patent-safe way to convert everything | Aug 31 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | in which case will they happily sign up for more MS stuff in the future? | Aug 31 19:32 |
| MinceR | everyone should have learned their lesson long ago | Aug 31 19:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] Back porting the fix mentioned here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626780 to anaconda 13.42 for personal use :| | Aug 31 19:33 | |
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| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: I am not sure you are getting the issue. We don't know when will Microsoft react. They will maybe let it incubate for another 10 years, and in meanwhile do their anti-Free software "we love open source" propaganda | Aug 31 19:33 |
| ThistleWeb | it's like corps who spent a fortune designing intranet sites for ie6, and cant use any other browser without rebuilding their intranet | Aug 31 19:33 |
| gnufreex | In 10 years, we don't know what landscape will be | Aug 31 19:33 |
| ThistleWeb | are those corps gonna rebuild their intranet to be locked into ie8? of course not, unless they're stupid | Aug 31 19:33 |
| MinceR | exactly | Aug 31 19:34 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe they're naieve | Aug 31 19:34 |
| ThistleWeb | I wouldnt say stupid | Aug 31 19:34 |
| MinceR | there megacorps that are already locked into ie6 | Aug 31 19:34 |
| MinceR | because they didn't learn the lesson | Aug 31 19:34 |
| MinceR | and yet some people insist that we commit the same mistake over and over | Aug 31 19:35 |
| MinceR | and be burnt by it every time | Aug 31 19:35 |
| ThistleWeb | but it is possible that they're trying to have a mainstream OS that's as MS compatible as possible, in a windows world | Aug 31 19:35 |
| MinceR | if they're trying to stay m$ compatible, they're playing a losing game | Aug 31 19:35 |
| MinceR | m$ has done the "screw everyone who's trying to stay compatible with us" game for decades | Aug 31 19:35 |
| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: If canonical is doing that, they are stupid. | Aug 31 19:35 |
| MinceR | see the things around DOS, winblows and office for an example | Aug 31 19:36 |
| MinceR | the only thing that's worth making an effort to be compatible with is open standards, preferably with a free reference implementation | Aug 31 19:36 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, so the office suites that open .doc | Aug 31 19:36 |
| gnufreex | If they are going the path of "peaceful coexistence" with Windows, they are stupid | Aug 31 19:36 |
| ThistleWeb | they're bad then | Aug 31 19:36 |
| gnufreex | Read what Be's CEO said about that | Aug 31 19:37 |
| ThistleWeb | when you try to convince windows users to switch you tell them "oh btw, nothing you;re used to on windows will work here, but trust us, it's a great OS" | Aug 31 19:37 |
| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: That is why open source apps work on Windows | Aug 31 19:38 |
| ThistleWeb | anything they can do to be as compatible eases user over to us | Aug 31 19:38 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: no, people who standardize on .doc because of those suites are Doing It Wrong | Aug 31 19:38 |
| gnufreex | Odds are that most people are using free software already | Aug 31 19:38 |
| MinceR | as long as they can keep reading and writing m$-compatible files, they're lucky | Aug 31 19:38 |
| MinceR | there's no guarantee that it will stay that way | Aug 31 19:38 |
| ThistleWeb | gnufreex: to a point yes, but plenty of core stuff is not free | Aug 31 19:38 |
| MinceR | the best thing one can do with a .doc is convert it to a sane format | Aug 31 19:39 |
| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: You mean Photoshop, AuctoCAD and such? | Aug 31 19:39 |
| MinceR | .odt, for example | Aug 31 19:39 |
| ThistleWeb | photoshop, yes, MS office | Aug 31 19:39 |
| ThistleWeb | govts switching to odt would be a great thing | Aug 31 19:41 |
| gnufreex | We need to advocate OpenOffice and GIMP on Windows forums :-) | Aug 31 19:41 |
| gnufreex | AutoCAD is problem... | Aug 31 19:41 |
| ThistleWeb | and ditching any office apps that cant do it right, which means MS office | Aug 31 19:41 |
| MinceR | are you sure it's a good idea to tell winblows users that "hey, we've got a gratis winblows and office clone for you, it sort of does everything the same way as what you're used to, except it's a few versions behind and might lose compatibility any time. it will be great!"? | Aug 31 19:41 |
| ThistleWeb | when govts do it, any corps who wanna communicate with them must also follow | Aug 31 19:41 |
| ThistleWeb | well, it's better than "hey very little of your stuff will work here" | Aug 31 19:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the purity model of debian or fedora is great, except joe mainstream is used to stuff like flash, mp3, opeing a doc file | Aug 31 19:43 |
| ThistleWeb | if you choose to be an island and not do them, or make it hard for people to do them, they see yours as broken | Aug 31 19:44 |
| MinceR | that's why those things should be provided as an optional repo and it must be made sure that nothing depends on such things | Aug 31 19:44 |
| MinceR | handling stuff that comes from outside is one thing, building your system around them is another | Aug 31 19:45 |
| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: I am not against having Flash and other crap. I just want them not to be on default install. | Aug 31 19:45 |
| gnufreex | I am not even against Mono. | Aug 31 19:45 |
| MinceR | i don't mind if mono is provided in such an optional repo | Aug 31 19:45 |
| gnufreex | I just don't want Linux expirience to depend on it in any way. | Aug 31 19:45 |
| MinceR | but i do mind if the gnu/linux desktop is built on it | Aug 31 19:45 |
| MinceR | and i'd mind even more if more core things (like the kernel) would start depending on it | Aug 31 19:45 |
| ThistleWeb | as much as we care about the why of stuff, most users dont | Aug 31 19:46 |
| MinceR | and you can be sure that the monomaniacs will try attacking such parts | Aug 31 19:46 |
| MinceR | that's why most users put themselves and us in danger | Aug 31 19:46 |
| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: That is entire point. Because users are clueless we should give up? | Aug 31 19:46 |
| MinceR | remember, most users pay the m$ tax without even thinking about it | Aug 31 19:46 |
| MinceR | so we should too? | Aug 31 19:46 |
| gnufreex | Those clueless usesrs will give up on Linux when Microsoft sues. | Aug 31 19:46 |
| MinceR | just give up and use winblows? | Aug 31 19:47 |
| ThistleWeb | one answer is to be more compatible, so the switch isn't as painful for new users | Aug 31 19:48 |
| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: Do you think Mono will bring the compatibility? | Aug 31 19:48 |
| gnufreex | They droped that idea | Aug 31 19:48 |
| gnufreex | .NET apps don't work on Mono without fixing code. | Aug 31 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | it will let you run some .net stuff in linux | Aug 31 19:49 |
| gnufreex | Unless is trivial app. | Aug 31 19:49 |
| gnufreex | It won't let you run .NET anything. | Aug 31 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | which means some users who have little apps for their companies written in .net by some ex employee and have no way to do it any other way | Aug 31 19:49 |
| gnufreex | It is not compatible on ABI level | Aug 31 19:49 |
| gnufreex | Just API | Aug 31 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | so it does nothing then | Aug 31 19:50 |
| gnufreex | You must recompile | Aug 31 19:50 |
| gnufreex | And closed source apps...you can't | Aug 31 19:50 |
| gnufreex | It is better to rewrite in house apps, most are fairly small. | Aug 31 19:51 |
| gnufreex | More cash to consultants lol | Aug 31 19:51 |
| MinceR | it would be better if no effort was wasted on writing mono apps, ever | Aug 31 19:51 |
| MinceR | but nooooo | Aug 31 19:51 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm saying mono serves a purpose for some people, it may be the vital part of their workflow that stops them switching | Aug 31 19:51 |
| ThistleWeb | I agree that creating new apps in mono is crazy | Aug 31 19:52 |
| gnufreex | I am ok with that, let Mono serve purpose in its niche. But get it off from people's desktops. | Aug 31 19:52 |
| ThistleWeb | I agree that as long as the apps are easily replaced, then fine | Aug 31 19:52 |
| gnufreex | And from default installs | Aug 31 19:52 |
| MinceR | yes, mono serves a purpose for some people | Aug 31 19:53 |
| gnufreex | ThistleWeb: It is already hard to replace because people get used to apps. | Aug 31 19:53 |
| MinceR | those people own m$ | Aug 31 19:53 |
| MinceR | and there are many idiots who help m$ even though it won't benefit them, ever | Aug 31 19:53 |
| gnufreex | Some Fedora users are still crying for Tomboy. | Aug 31 19:53 |
| gnufreex | And shitting on Gnote | Aug 31 19:53 |
| ThistleWeb | people chose to code on what they like | Aug 31 19:54 |
| MinceR | it's often an uninformed decision | Aug 31 19:54 |
| MinceR | and pushing mono into the core makes them more likely to make that mistake | Aug 31 19:54 |
| gnufreex | Ok, if they chose C#, then they should get Microsoft to put their apps in Windows | Aug 31 19:54 |
| gnufreex | Get them away from Linux CD | Aug 31 19:55 |
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| gnufreex | schestowitz: What happened... like chanel broke? | Aug 31 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | > gnufreex: http://ostatic.com/blog/as-novell-s-woes-continue-red-hat-is-the-beneficiary | Aug 31 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | > gnufreex; OSTATIC tires to paint Novell as open source company. | Aug 31 20:38 |
| schestowitz | > gnufreex; "only Novell and Red Hat remain as large, U.S.-based public companies focused primarily on open source software" | Aug 31 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 31 20:39 |
| schestowitz | No news from this | Aug 31 20:39 |
| schestowitz | They did this line for a while | Aug 31 20:39 |
| schestowitz | But it's not a poisonous site all around | Aug 31 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Remember they have zonker on board | Aug 31 20:39 |
| schestowitz | From Novell | Aug 31 20:39 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, they has some good articles. | Aug 31 20:39 |
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| :ThistleWeb!~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb PRIVMSG #techrights :when the MS boosters post comments, replies etc do they go to the effort of changing the fingerprint of their OS / browser to linux? | ||
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| :MinceR!~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer PRIVMSG #techrights :of course, it's as simple as using a proxy | ||
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| gnufreex | Nobody will give 2B | Aug 31 20:46 |
| MinceR | 2B, or not 2B, that is the question. | Aug 31 20:48 |
| gnufreex | Will it blend. That is the quetion. | Aug 31 20:49 |
| gnufreex | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI | Aug 31 20:49 |
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| MinceR | they might even have a virtual appliance that runs GNU/Linux and an HTTP proxy | Aug 31 20:51 |
| MinceR | with a User-Agent replacement rule | Aug 31 20:51 |
| gnufreex | Heck, they might even use Linux. Dual boot. Or something. | Aug 31 20:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Blogagem Coletiva de repudio ao AI5 Digital – 31/08: Amigos, os adoradores do AI5Digital e da ditadura, os amante... http://bit.ly/d7xpjn | Aug 31 20:52 | |
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| MinceR | can't let them do that | Aug 31 20:52 |
| MinceR | they might get used to the user experience | Aug 31 20:53 |
| gnufreex | Why? | Aug 31 20:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess, but it will make them have to jump through additional hoops to pass themselves off as linux users | Aug 31 20:53 |
| MinceR | and things like being able to run many applications at the same time without crashing | Aug 31 20:53 |
| ThistleWeb | or just have some MS app to set their fingerprint info | Aug 31 20:53 |
| MinceR | indeed it will | Aug 31 20:53 |
| MinceR | and i think it's worth doing for that :> | Aug 31 20:53 |
| gnufreex | Some Linsux idiots use Linux just to bash it. | Aug 31 20:54 |
| cubevector | eh? | Aug 31 20:55 |
| cubevector | like who? | Aug 31 20:55 |
| gnufreex | I read some thread on Linsux, guy tried slacware and makes review. How it is not user friednly (never mind that goal of Slackware is no user firendlines) | Aug 31 20:56 |
| cubevector | they are just punks | Aug 31 20:56 |
| MinceR | that's giving punks a bad name | Aug 31 20:57 |
| gnufreex | Same thing as Microsoft boosters. They might use Linux. | Aug 31 20:57 |
| cubevector | hehe | Aug 31 20:57 |
| cubevector | whatever, one of the most reliable computers I ever used was Linux 2.2 | Aug 31 20:57 |
| cubevector | that includes every computer I've ever used | Aug 31 20:58 |
| cubevector | or rather, a 486 with Linux 2.2 on it | Aug 31 20:58 |
| cubevector | 17 years old, still works perfectly | Aug 31 20:59 |
| cubevector | some old timers say VMS had the longest uptime | Aug 31 20:59 |
| cubevector | see, it's stupid to go around being a hater | Aug 31 21:00 |
| cubevector | for example, I'd never bother running a winsux site | Aug 31 21:00 |
| cubevector | waste of time | Aug 31 21:01 |
| gnufreex | That is what is crazy about Linsux dudes. | Aug 31 21:01 |
| cubevector | AROS crashes a lot but I still use it experimentally | Aug 31 21:02 |
| cubevector | the basic idea is good | Aug 31 21:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I found a cool apple theme for drupal, looks real nice but it does scream "apple" which means it's really only suitable for an apple related site, which I'll never waste my time with | Aug 31 21:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess a satire site would suit it, but I have no interest in doing that | Aug 31 21:03 |
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| cubevector | hehe | Aug 31 21:21 |
| cubevector | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FNs4mBYKio&NR=1 | Aug 31 21:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ZeroPaid Interviews Russell McOrmond part1 http://www.ur1.ca/1ei3i !billc32 !copyright #cdnpoli !canada | Aug 31 21:22 | |
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| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 31 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I saw some of these recently | Aug 31 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I'm installing Linux for people | Aug 31 21:23 |
| gnufreex | Just found this http://linsux.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7583-miguel-de-icaza-gives-rms-the-big-fuck-you/page__s__077c316b2416cd1015a5298777e01c6d | Aug 31 21:23 |
| gnufreex | Not even all Linsuxers think Mono is great. | Aug 31 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: don't feed them year | Aug 31 21:25 |
| schestowitz | It only encourages trolls | Aug 31 21:25 |
| schestowitz | /year/here | Aug 31 21:25 |
| gnufreex | I am not posting there... I am not crazy. | Aug 31 21:25 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/47858851#notice-48251504 "@schestowitz Ed Bott's putting lipstick on a pig: http://zd.net/98n1cY" | Aug 31 21:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.5 KB | Aug 31 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 31 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | PR bot | Aug 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: there are certain groups we don't discuss or link to | Aug 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Because they troll the site/IRC | Aug 31 21:26 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: ok | Aug 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I hope it makes sense though | Aug 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | you may have to go back and see whyh | Aug 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | They want to attention | Aug 31 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And it invited more of them | Aug 31 21:28 |
| schestowitz | There are account in Twitter that just constantly harass Techrights... and Groklaw and others. | Aug 31 21:28 |
| schestowitz | But you won't see them mention. Trolls deserve their obscurity | Aug 31 21:28 |
| schestowitz | *mentioned | Aug 31 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/oracle-webcast-about-btrfs-on-linux-starting-now-828638/ | Aug 31 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | jeremy: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/lq-reputation-system-is-now-in-beta-829543/ | Aug 31 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.workswithu.com/2010/08/24/rethinking-canonicals-ubuntu-business-strategy/ | Aug 31 21:33 |
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| gnufreex | This Oracle webcast wants my phone number and addres. No way I am telling Oracle where I live. They might sue me. | Aug 31 21:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 31 21:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_79 | Aug 31 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: :-) | Aug 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | That's what Dave Rosenberg said about openlogic census after they took Microsoft $$$$ | Aug 31 21:35 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I get the idea about not mentioning trolls. But I think this particular group already moved from obscurity and done damage. | Aug 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | They can do more if you drive people there | Aug 31 21:36 |
| schestowitz | It's a dead site | Aug 31 21:36 |
| schestowitz | So the 'members' moved to infest others | Aug 31 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Like BN/TR, now UF | Aug 31 21:36 |
| schestowitz | It's like a leech | Aug 31 21:36 |
| schestowitz | There are similar trolls is USENET/C.O.L.A. | Aug 31 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw kicks them out | Aug 31 21:37 |
| gnufreex | Problem is that UF won't kick them out. | Aug 31 21:37 |
| gnufreex | They get endless supply of new trolls from UF. | Aug 31 21:38 |
| gnufreex | Some of them link to site in signature. | Aug 31 21:38 |
| gnufreex | on the UF. | Aug 31 21:38 |
| gnufreex | Crap. Did Oracle killed old Sun accounts? | Aug 31 21:40 |
| gnufreex | My doesn't work | Aug 31 21:40 |
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| gnufreex | They said they will just join SDN to ODN (sun/ oracle developer network) | Aug 31 21:41 |
| gnufreex | But I guess they are liars | Aug 31 21:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Follow @no_mpjamesmoore on Twitter If you've been blocked by @mpjamesmoore. Followers comprise a list of !Canada 's citizens he's blocked. | Aug 31 21:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft" - http://bit.ly/cv28d2 oh, so Obama is totally clueless, eh? # ... | Aug 31 21:42 | |
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| schestowitz | Heh. nice to be blocked by your own representatives!!! :-) | Aug 31 21:43 |
| schestowitz | that's not Obama comparing copyright to ownership, that's longtime MAFIAA member Biden. Illusion of choice in voting. | Aug 31 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Twitter has massive lag | Aug 31 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I'll need to change code, I think | Aug 31 21:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody The Four Freedoms of Free Culture - http://bit.ly/czTa6h no, really #freeculture #freedom | Aug 31 21:47 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/48257551 "@schestowitz but Obama lets Biden push this line again and again..." | Aug 31 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Glyn Moody (glynmoody)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Aug-10 20:47:19 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.05 KB | Aug 31 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/47873937#notice-48257631 "@schestowitz It's one reason we badly need electoral reform." | Aug 31 21:50 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Mozilla Developer Network - http://mzl.la/9UXfO6 never mind the developers, somebody find a designer (talk about bling...) ... | Aug 31 21:52 | |
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| schestowitz | I think the Twitter API changes cause issues | Aug 31 21:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Impediment to robust #DigitalEconomy rt @mgeist RT @tradelawyer: Is !Canada "the true telecom backwater"? http://www.ur1.ca/1eif6 | Aug 31 21:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] HP Palm announces #WebOS 2.0, looks good, but I'm still waiting for Ogg Theora/Vorbis capability, so I can use #patentfree media on it. | Aug 31 22:07 | |
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| gnufreex | Will someone put Oracle BTRFS webcast on You Tube? | Aug 31 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe. | Aug 31 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll have em on oracle.com | Aug 31 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Static | Aug 31 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Like the ones after they bought Sun (I watched those) | Aug 31 22:20 |
| gnufreex | Maybe Oracle wont let it go on You tube. They have copyright on videos. | Aug 31 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | So if a lap top screen is cracked, but still shows stuff on it :) | Aug 31 22:21 |
| gnufreex | Yes, I watched those too. | Aug 31 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | well not much can be done with it really I guess? | Aug 31 22:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] آر تي @johnsu01 Sending out the August edition of the Free Software Supporter shortly, subscribe to receive it at http://www.fsf.org/fss ... | Aug 31 22:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Help protect the public from ripoff schools http://ur1.ca/1eimn | Aug 31 22:22 | |
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| sebsebseb | Or would reparing the screen cost a lot? | Aug 31 22:22 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: Repairing screen for laptop? | Aug 31 22:25 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: That costs like a new laptop | Aug 31 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: yeah maybe for an old Aspire 3000 | Aug 31 22:26 |
| gnufreex | then it will cost more than that laptop is worth | Aug 31 22:26 |
| gnufreex | If screan is broken, it needs replacement. | Aug 31 22:26 |
| gnufreex | New screen is $300 or more | Aug 31 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: yeah thats whast I mean, repariing or replaceing | Aug 31 22:27 |
| gnufreex | It is low demand for stadalonce screens, so suppliers charge top buck | Aug 31 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: not much RAM, but the lap top itself seems alright, my brothers old one | Aug 31 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | its just the montior | Aug 31 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | he wants to buy a new one as a result | Aug 31 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | now that he has properly moved out | Aug 31 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: a part of me wants a lap top, but not enough to buy one | Aug 31 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | for myself | Aug 31 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | and that one would be perfectyl fine really if it wasn't for the monitor | Aug 31 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | and can still use it with the cracks for now, but yes they show | Aug 31 22:30 |
| gnufreex | Well, call Acer to check price, but don't be suprised if it is more than new laptop. | Aug 31 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: right yeah, but | Aug 31 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | can probably put in a normal PC monitor in to it anyway | Aug 31 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | and use it like a secondary computer | Aug 31 22:33 |
| gnufreex | Yes, you could do that. I have done that for one broken laptop at work | Aug 31 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: I mean with itos current moniror can basically use it still, but thats bound to fail properly eventually | Aug 31 22:34 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.bitfolk.com/lurker/message/20100519.112115.7ed60627.en.html | Aug 31 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | Damn. THe Twitter aggregator is messed up | Aug 31 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: and I got a even older lap top around here, that uhmm I think I could just about use, if I find the stuff for it, or whatever, 6GB RAM, ran XP | Aug 31 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: could do a Linux Live CD even, but would be noisy to boot | Aug 31 22:35 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: Toshiba asked 450 euros for new screen, so I put desktop monitor on that computer at work. | Aug 31 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: yeah shame really that they will charge more to repair the lap top, then a new one | Aug 31 22:37 |
| gnufreex | They probably get idea that people will pay if they have important data and wont bother to take out harddrive... Other will just buy new laptop | Aug 31 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: yeah I guess | Aug 31 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: anyway I am about to try a Mandriva Live CD on that lap top :) | Aug 31 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | should boot up quite nice I think | Aug 31 22:39 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: You might find same exact laptop that has burned mobo or CPU.., and then ask owner to sell you the screen | Aug 31 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: ask owner to sell screen? | Aug 31 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: you mean can take the screen off and put on yourself? | Aug 31 22:40 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: If you never taken laptop apart, I wouldn't advise | Aug 31 22:41 |
| gnufreex | But it is posible | Aug 31 22:41 |
| gnufreex | I have done it | Aug 31 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: in ##hardware someone asked me if I had taken a lap top apart before | Aug 31 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | anyway my Dad knows about this kind of stuff | Aug 31 22:41 |
| gnufreex | You have to find exact same laptop | Aug 31 22:42 |
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| gnufreex | In fact, it depends | Aug 31 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: its better to just use with a normal screen I guess | Aug 31 22:43 |
| gnufreex | You can use different model if it is Acer | Aug 31 22:43 |
| gnufreex | But screen has to be same size, obviouly | Aug 31 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: anyway if I plug a normal screen in, the lap top screen will stop working yeah? | Aug 31 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | I mean | Aug 31 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | whilst the other monitor is plugged in? | Aug 31 22:43 |
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| gnufreex | sebsebseb: You just plug normal monitor, both will work. | Aug 31 22:43 |
| gnufreex | You must have DVI, or D-Sub | Aug 31 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: I got my old monitor next to me at the moment, which is kind of broken, but sometimes will show stuff ok still I guess | Aug 31 22:44 |
| gnufreex | On the side of laptop | Aug 31 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: and thers another old monitor around some where | Aug 31 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: ,but also an old computer for that matter | Aug 31 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | with more RAM, than this lap top | Aug 31 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | only 512MB though, and this lap top is 400MB something | Aug 31 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | Go back about two years ago, and I did a course, did some hardware stuff, that course didn't go well for various reasons. | Aug 31 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | anyway | Aug 31 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | now I want to know more about hardware | Aug 31 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Aug 31 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | a bit more anyway | Aug 31 22:45 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: Did you plug it? | Aug 31 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: Did I plug the lap top in? yep | Aug 31 22:49 |
| gnufreex | I mean did you plug desktop monitor to laptop? | Aug 31 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: no not tried yet | Aug 31 22:50 |
| gnufreex | You don't have to turn it off or anytihing, just locate DVI. It is same as for desktop computer. Then both screns should work. | Aug 31 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: right, except that lap tops screen doesn't work properly | Aug 31 22:51 |
| gnufreex | *DVI if you have DVI. Ther is older blue VGA | Aug 31 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: and I am thinking if it is turned off, when another monitor is using the lap top, then that monitor will probably last a bit longer as well | Aug 31 22:52 |
| gnufreex | Well, laptop screen will continue working not properly :-) | Aug 31 22:53 |
| cubevector | again, don't worry about linsux and what they say | Aug 31 22:53 |
| gnufreex | Do you have this http://www.avtoolbox.com/images/1t-vga-cattx-rear.jpg | Aug 31 22:53 |
| cubevector | I knew in the 80's that Stallman was doing good | Aug 31 22:53 |
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| gnufreex | It should be on sthe side, or behind. | Aug 31 22:54 |
| gnufreex | cubevector: I try now to wory, but they spread viral FUD... | Aug 31 22:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] There's no shame in @mpjamesmoore's lack of technical expertise. The problem is his inability to listen to those who do know. !canada | Aug 31 22:57 | |
| cubevector | stallman does a lot of non english presentations | Aug 31 22:59 |
| schestowitz | French briefly and Spansh | Aug 31 22:59 |
| schestowitz | *ish | Aug 31 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Spanish-ish :-) | Aug 31 22:59 |
| cubevector | his spanish seems quite good | Aug 31 23:02 |
| schestowitz | KDE Releases 4.5.1 http://dot.kde.org/2010/08/31/kde-releases-451 | Aug 31 23:07 |
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| sebsebseb | gnufreex: I think the fan isn't working as well as it should | Aug 31 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: got an identica account? | Aug 31 23:11 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: no | Aug 31 23:11 |
| gnufreex | Why..? | Aug 31 23:12 |
| MinceR | gn | Aug 31 23:17 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: I am getting rid of TRT (Twitter) | Aug 31 23:17 |
| schestowitz | We'll be an identica-only channel | Aug 31 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe long overdue anyway | Aug 31 23:17 |
| gnufreex | Why? | Aug 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I will also ensure we get more FOSS stories here | Aug 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: cause Twitter moved toi oauth | Aug 31 23:18 |
| gnufreex | That's coll | Aug 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | And I'd need to code a program in Perl to make the code compatible with Twitter | Aug 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: I'll consult with you who's added | Aug 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm adding glynmoody | Aug 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | He's always right on most issues wrt our stance | Aug 31 23:19 |
| gnufreex | I think he is ok | Aug 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Michael Geist out | Aug 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | He's just ACTA and DSL/copyrught | Aug 31 23:19 |
| gnufreex | I didn't even know him | Aug 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | techdirt out, no identica account that's active | Aug 31 23:20 |
| gnufreex | Techdirt is interesting. | Aug 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | sjvn not on identica either | Aug 31 23:20 |
| gnufreex | svjn ... we won't miss his articles :D | Aug 31 23:21 |
| gnufreex | El Reg has some good articles. TPM mostlyl | Aug 31 23:21 |
| gnufreex | *mostly | Aug 31 23:22 |
| gnufreex | But Mac Asay is there too. | Aug 31 23:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] #Twitter #oauth change broke #Tweed, the best Twitter app for #palmpre | Aug 31 23:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Investigation of corruption grounds for dismissal http://ur1.ca/1eizl | Aug 31 23:22 | |
| schestowitz | I'll see if Reg is on identic | Aug 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm tossing Microsoft Florian | Aug 31 23:23 |
| gnufreex | tossing out? | Aug 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | He never belonged here other than for entertainment | Aug 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: from the syndication | Aug 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | FFII mailed the mailing list about him today | Aug 31 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Europe is getting tired of this .NET fanboy | Aug 31 23:24 |
| gnufreex | Yes. I think we have enough prof against Floyd, that he is MS shil | Aug 31 23:24 |
| schestowitz | wikileaks doesn't update much in identica | Aug 31 23:24 |
| gnufreex | Most proofs are on his blog | Aug 31 23:25 |
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| goblin | hi all | Aug 31 23:25 |
| gnufreex | Hi goblin | Aug 31 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | well that was fun booting up Mandriva | Aug 31 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | on that old lap top | Aug 31 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | from Live CD | Aug 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Jan Wildeboer added | Aug 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Hi, goblin | Aug 31 23:26 |
| goblin | :) | Aug 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | We're moving everything to identica right now | Aug 31 23:26 |
| goblin | there now mostly... | Aug 31 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh? | Aug 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Twitter commited suicide with oauth | Aug 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | *committed | Aug 31 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what? | Aug 31 23:26 |
| goblin | its only for the few twitter only friends that I talk with... | Aug 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | goblin: yeah, well, there might not be twitter here again unless I get a twitfolk patch | Aug 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | This explains why the whole TRT stitchup here was a mess recently. | Aug 31 23:27 |
| goblin | Is it needed....Ive been finding identi.ca far better | Aug 31 23:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Right! Back....3 days off and a mountain of things to do! | Aug 31 23:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] I would tell you what Ive been up to the past 2 days...but I wont.....suffice to say it was a challenging 2 days...... | Aug 31 23:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Quite a large update for Sabayon....must be updates in the last 2 days.....have I missed much? | Aug 31 23:27 | |
| goblin | and meant to say.... | Aug 31 23:27 |
| goblin | glad to be back..... | Aug 31 23:27 |
| goblin | its been a challenging two days | Aug 31 23:28 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: OSNews has fine article when MPEG LA is involved. | Aug 31 23:28 |
| gnufreex | They hate MPEG LA | Aug 31 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I know | Aug 31 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Eugena | Aug 31 23:29 |
| goblin | fingers crossed....Ive just been meddling with nvidia drivers.... | Aug 31 23:30 |
| goblin | reboot in a few minutes | Aug 31 23:30 |
| goblin | hopefully I'll be back no issues. | Aug 31 23:30 |
| goblin | .......here goes..... | Aug 31 23:31 |
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| _Goblin | yay! | Aug 31 23:34 |
| _Goblin | no issues | Aug 31 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Which rig? | Aug 31 23:35 |
| _Goblin | Sabayon | Aug 31 23:35 |
| _Goblin | and the new desktop | Aug 31 23:35 |
| _Goblin | the Acer | Aug 31 23:35 |
| _Goblin | I didn't need to reset, its merely that I'd worry that next time I boot it might be hosed. | Aug 31 23:35 |
| _Goblin | so I reboot to know immediately if there is any errors. | Aug 31 23:35 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: seems a new lap top, isn't much of a priroity for this guy, a new lap top still hasn't been ordered | Aug 31 23:36 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I made identi.ca account, same name: gnufreex | Aug 31 23:37 |
| gnufreex | Have to go now, but will be back in few minutes | Aug 31 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I just been booting up | Aug 31 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Mandriva on my brothers not that old about two years I guess | Aug 31 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | Aspire 3000 | Aug 31 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: which has a broken screen | Aug 31 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | not completly broken though | Aug 31 23:38 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: excellent | Aug 31 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Added | Aug 31 23:38 |
| schestowitz | zoobab seems to only update his twitter account but not identica | Aug 31 23:39 |
| cubezzz | there's no ideal laptop | Aug 31 23:39 |
| cubezzz | almost every laptop ever made has a undocumented EC | Aug 31 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: almost every lap top that has ever been made, has been made to work with that rubbish OS, you know the one I mean | Aug 31 23:40 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Broken as in physically broken? | Aug 31 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: broken as in looks a bit like this, http://chief.fishbucket.com/crap/myjalope.jpg | Aug 31 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Aug 31 23:40 |
| cubezzz | sebsebseb, sharp zaurus.... | Aug 31 23:40 |
| cubezzz | no windows available for it | Aug 31 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: just its mainly the secton on the right of the screen | Aug 31 23:40 |
| cubezzz | not really a laptop though | Aug 31 23:40 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: he apparantly dropped it when, arguing with our father | Aug 31 23:41 |
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| _Goblin | I spoke to a "driver" of sorts today who stated that he hated Microsoft products and refused to use them..... | Aug 31 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: a Taxi driver? | Aug 31 23:41 |
| _Goblin | unfortunately he used Apple.... | Aug 31 23:41 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: sort of... | Aug 31 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | yeah people think Apple are so good, but no they are not | Aug 31 23:41 |
| cubezzz | of course not | Aug 31 23:42 |
| cubezzz | you want something you can modify | Aug 31 23:42 |
| *sebsebseb watched a documentery last night, with my mother actsaully who isn't really into computers, about the guy who started Intel | Aug 31 23:42 | |
| _Goblin | I have had many emails asking why I don't look at Apple....and want to know why I only look at MS... | Aug 31 23:42 |
| _Goblin | I think Apple is good.... | Aug 31 23:42 |
| _Goblin | wait for the abuse.... | Aug 31 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | and the guy who people won't normally hear about | Aug 31 23:42 |
| _Goblin | build up the tension and suspense.... | Aug 31 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: did you go on the link I gave? | Aug 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | Apple's hardware looks good | Aug 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | the software on the other hand well | Aug 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | lets see | Aug 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | FreeBSD | Aug 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | with lip stick on it | Aug 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | sold to the average ignorant technology consumer, and multimeida people who think they need it | Aug 31 23:43 |
| _Goblin | Why do I think Apple are good? because its a means in which Microsoft's unhealthy monopoly is chipped away at...Sure Apple have been accused of dodgy practice, but its a means to an end and if Apple can split up MS enough for people to look at alternatives in general, then thats a good thing... | Aug 31 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and so yeah the chavs and people like that, have their Macs, and think they are so cool for having one | Aug 31 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | no Apple and Microsoft have a thing | Aug 31 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | I read before | Aug 31 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | where basically, they use each other, so can't be seen 100% as a monoplgy either of htem | Aug 31 23:44 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I don't think its that much of a "thing" | Aug 31 23:44 |
| _Goblin | Apple for me represents a concept....you get people moving to Apple as an alternative to MS, you get people accepting the idea that there is more to life than just MS. Thats the mindset people need to get out of. | Aug 31 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: they move to Apple | Aug 31 23:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lnxwalt140 I think that's what I'll do | Aug 31 23:46 | |
| sebsebseb | and get evne more locked in | Aug 31 23:46 |
| _Goblin | no really.... | Aug 31 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | this time round, not just the software, but the hardware as well | Aug 31 23:46 |
| _Goblin | they are exposed to the idea of alternatives to MS. | Aug 31 23:46 |
| _Goblin | once that happens, they start to get fussy. | Aug 31 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | a propritary alternative | Aug 31 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | not open source / free software | Aug 31 23:46 |
| _Goblin | true, but the end user understands not closed/open nor cares. | Aug 31 23:47 |
| _Goblin | I just sounded like Yoda then. | Aug 31 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | in a way there should be a security test, before people are alloweed to use a computer on their own online | Aug 31 23:48 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 31 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | so they know how to keep Windows reasonably secure, and no I don't mean anti virus or anti spyware and junk like that, I mean properly | Aug 31 23:48 |
| gnufreex | _Goblin: Apple is most propriatary platfrom there is. Better to stay on Windows then go to Apple. | Aug 31 23:48 |
| _Goblin | a little like a driving test? | Aug 31 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | and yes their are ways | Aug 31 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | no a computer isn't just a tool | Aug 31 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | its more like a car | Aug 31 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | it needs looking after | Aug 31 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | its not like a TV | Aug 31 23:49 |
| _Goblin | gnufreex: really? and better for the average end user to stay in the mind set that there is no alternative to Windows? | Aug 31 23:49 |
| gnufreex | To be able to chose between propriatary software packages is to be able to chose your master. -RMS | Aug 31 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: loads of malware for Windows, because most users, don't know how to use a computer properly | Aug 31 23:49 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: but then even the most vigilant can become victims, US Navy were, so was the UK air force. | Aug 31 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | Windows is ok, when its secure enough | Aug 31 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | when the install is I mean | Aug 31 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | since the OS itself won't be any time soon, it seems, if ever | Aug 31 23:50 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: and really, should the average end user be expected to maintain the proper protections....Securing windows is not merely the press of a button. | Aug 31 23:51 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: its like buying a car then expecting to further secure the locking system yourself. | Aug 31 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: user account permissions, and sand boxes, those are two great ways to keep it more secure | Aug 31 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and the obvious, don't run admin all the time | Aug 31 23:52 |
| _Goblin | but then windows is insecure by so many other routes.... | Aug 31 23:52 |
| _Goblin | not just the core system... | Aug 31 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | I meant group permisisons and such, if got a version of WIndows that supports that, but right can't just do that with home verisons | Aug 31 23:52 |
| _Goblin | the addons and MS apps are fundamentally flawed too. | Aug 31 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: which add ons? | Aug 31 23:52 |
| _Goblin | I say addons in the context of the "apps" included in Windows | Aug 31 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | Windows is about ignorance | Aug 31 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | so is Windows security | Aug 31 23:53 |
| _Goblin | like Media player | Aug 31 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | what most users don't reolize is that, once they have the correct malware on there, thats it, the computer is now used by cyber crimiansl | Aug 31 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | they can later remove it, with an anti virus or spyware or whatever program, but to late | Aug 31 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | and so the Windows security industry, sell their anti programs, because of ignorance, and make money, and yeah | Aug 31 23:54 |
| _Goblin | again though...I don't think the average user can comprehend nor care......they are not interested in the tech, only that it does the job. | Aug 31 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | and when people have malware on their OS install, they should clean install really, when its Intenret connected | Aug 31 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | its as simple as that | Aug 31 23:54 |
| _Goblin | Ive spoken to people in the past running cracked copies of Windows.... | Aug 31 23:54 |
| _Goblin | how silly is that? | Aug 31 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: they should be educated to care | Aug 31 23:54 |
| _Goblin | Windows is insecure enough as it is.. | Aug 31 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | educated properly about security | Aug 31 23:54 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: you cant force people to have an interest. | Aug 31 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | not just you can get viruses, and should have an anti program as a result | Aug 31 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: no you can't, but | Aug 31 23:55 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Im sure my interests are not enjoyed by everyone here.... | Aug 31 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | what does a school do? | Aug 31 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | it forces people into learning stuff | Aug 31 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | or well they try to get them to learn stuff, and the school could teach computer security more properly, but well most of them have idiots in the ICT (as we say in UK) department | Aug 31 23:55 |
| _Goblin | but if you start teaching children to secure Windows, is that really sending out a message of choice or just brainwashing them that windows is the only thing to have? | Aug 31 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | and for that matter most schools have idiots, as their IT technitions, it seems, and colleges for that matter | Aug 31 23:56 |
| _Goblin | I think its counter productive... | Aug 31 23:56 |
| _Goblin | school computing should be about individual packages not platforms. | Aug 31 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I think Windows security should be taught more properly, but also how their are alternative OS's that should be taught as well | Aug 31 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: you mean like Microsoft Office? | Aug 31 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | no | Aug 31 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | school comptuing should be about | Aug 31 23:57 |
| _Goblin | bo | Aug 31 23:57 |
| _Goblin | no | Aug 31 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | learning to do a computer task, with a few programs, ideally | Aug 31 23:57 |
| _Goblin | I think there should be a diverse teaching of platforms which offer open standards and/or cross platform | Aug 31 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | I think ideally a school should be teaching Windows at the moment, but also Desktop Linux stuff | Aug 31 23:57 |
| _Goblin | that was it doesn't force anyone down any particular route... | Aug 31 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | and if they can afford Macs, well teach a bit about Macs as well | Aug 31 23:58 |
| _Goblin | nah.... | Aug 31 23:58 |
| _Goblin | I think the platform should be irrelevant for the time being. | Aug 31 23:58 |
| _Goblin | (for young students) | Aug 31 23:58 |
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| sebsebseb | and when it comes to Office Suites, they should be teaching Microsoft Office, since how things are at the moment, but also Open Office as an alternative, and maybe some of the other apps as well, like Abiword and such | Aug 31 23:58 |
| _Goblin | it should all be about basic computing skills which are independant of any platform. | Aug 31 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | and if a course teaches programming | Aug 31 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | they should teach something open such as Python | Aug 31 23:58 |
| _Goblin | agreed there. | Aug 31 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | instead of this Micrsooft junk they teach, Visual Basic and such uh | Aug 31 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | in fact yeah for basic level Python, for later on, can do C++ and what not | Aug 31 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | really ideally they should, only be teaching open stuff, but since how things are, that won't be the case, for most schools around here | Aug 31 23:59 |
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