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FurnaceBoywhy is it interesting? the interesting outcome is when it goes away. everything else is just waitingAug 31 00:13
oiaohm_FurnaceBoy: can be signs of desperation in development.Aug 31 00:15
oiaohm_Or lack of skills being produced to maintain it. FurnaceBoyAug 31 00:15
FurnaceBoyare you a bookmaker?Aug 31 00:16
oiaohm_Not at the moment.  FurnaceBoyAug 31 00:22
oiaohm_Have been in past.  FurnaceBoyAug 31 00:22
gnufreex<oiaohm_> mono stalled development is intersting.   Since lot of mono resources seamed to be focused everywhere other than it core.Aug 31 00:29
gnufreexYeah. Advocacy, astroturfing, shillingAug 31 00:29
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 31 00:33
FurnaceBoy+1Aug 31 00:33
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: De Icaza now cleans toilets, did you see?Aug 31 00:34
FurnaceBoyi hope he's good at itAug 31 00:34
-TRT/#techrights-[_the_mad_hatter] Will 2011 See An Earthquake Hit The Server Manufacturers? http://bit.ly/dxJJaFAug 31 00:34
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] CTRC Orders Big ISPs To Provide Matching Speeds For Resellers http://bit.ly/dq0iUjAug 31 00:34
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Gates Foundation and Microsoft Both Hate Sharing, Love Taking http://ur1.ca/1e8aw #scarcity #freetype #charityAug 31 00:34
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-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] At some stage we ought to organise the list of posts about Gates by topic rather than dates alone. http://ur1.ca/1e8bhAug 31 00:35
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-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] How Involved Should The Government Be In Protecting Online Privacy? http://dlvr.it/4T5zYAug 31 00:47
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oiaohm_gnufreex: focus on accessablity and other areas basically areas that you could see as attempts to get developers.Aug 31 00:49
gnufreexoiaohm: Mono zealots were saying that Mono is developing at speed of light and that project size is second to only Linux kernel. Not it turns out that is moribound. This is the point where I laugh.Aug 31 00:51
FurnaceBoyin this area size is not a virtue.Aug 31 00:52
FurnaceBoy'speed of light'?Aug 31 00:52
FurnaceBoysighAug 31 00:52
FurnaceBoy'speed of checks'Aug 31 00:53
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: They were saying that Mono implemented things that Microsoft didn't yet pur in .NETAug 31 00:53
gnufreexAnd that Microsoft is playing catch upAug 31 00:54
gnufreexWith MonoAug 31 00:54
gnufreexThey are delusional.Aug 31 00:54
schestowitzHehe. True.Aug 31 00:54
oiaohm_Some areas it was true.Aug 31 00:54
oiaohm_Where mono did lead.Aug 31 00:54
oiaohm_But have not seen that in last 12 months.Aug 31 00:54
gnufreexLLVM integration?Aug 31 00:54
oiaohm_API gnufreexAug 31 00:54
oiaohm_Particularlly bug finding and correction.Aug 31 00:55
gnufreexWell, that is baceus Microsoft are idiots. It only means that Monsters are less idiots.Aug 31 00:57
gnufreexheheAug 31 00:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Wondering whether the #SCOracle suit will cause some shops to transition to #Pharo #Smalltalk and avoid #swpats danger of #Java.Aug 31 00:58
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] #Oracle Promotes hypePod/hypeTunes Just Weeks After Suing Android, Java’s Founder Has Message for Ellison http://ur1.ca/1e8gm #java #swpatsAug 31 01:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] آر تي @johnsu01 Back to school time -- Help us build a list of schools requiring or promoting DRM: http://ur1.ca/1e7sb !dbd !fsf !lpAug 31 01:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @lnxwalt140 Incidentally, #Pharo is licensed under MIT license.Aug 31 01:03
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gacevedoHiAug 31 01:05
gnufreexhiAug 31 01:05
gacevedoschestowitz: are you around?Aug 31 01:05
schestowitzYesAug 31 01:05
schestowitzWhat's upAug 31 01:05
gacevedoHi, maybe you should update this post: http://techrights.org/2010/08/30/mono-development-barriers/Aug 31 01:05
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gacevedoMono is currently using GIT, so their SN repositories are not up to date anymore.Aug 31 01:06
gacevedoYou can read the warning here: http://www.mono-project.com/AnonSVNAug 31 01:06
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schestowitzThat's what I thoughtAug 31 01:06
schestowitzIn IRCAug 31 01:06
schestowitzBut people in IRC said noAug 31 01:06
gacevedoGuys from Mono community are talking about your post on Twitter: http://twitter.com/tim_smith/status/22565262792Aug 31 01:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Can you please help list !freesoftware innovations? (you can dent them & I'll add them) http://ur1.ca/1e8hu !lp !gnuAug 31 01:08
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gnufreexOh, crap. So Mono isn't deadAug 31 01:08
gacevedoschestowitz: you can see their activity on GITHUB -> http://github.com/monoAug 31 01:08
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schestowitzWhere is the ....Aug 31 01:09
schestowitzOK, beat me to itAug 31 01:09
gacevedoAnyway, I'm not part of the Mono Community (have used myself just a couple of times thou), but wanted to let you know about the mistake.Aug 31 01:09
FurnaceBoygnufreex: it's the waiting that's so hard :DAug 31 01:11
schestowitzPost updatedAug 31 01:12
schestowitzgacevedo: corrected at the topAug 31 01:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Google's "Dont be evil" isnt a company motto, its their message to its users Big Brother Google watching, so "Dont be evil". !q #ircAug 31 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] lokpest on #gnuAug 31 01:13
gacevedoschestowitz: Yes, I can see it. An explanation for the apparently low activity could be their new projects such as MonoTouch and MonoDroid.Aug 31 01:14
gnufreexMonoTouch is killed by Steve Jobs :-)Aug 31 01:15
gacevedo(for the iPhone and Android, respectively)Aug 31 01:15
gnufreexAnd Larry will kill MonoDroid.Aug 31 01:15
gacevedololAug 31 01:16
schestowitz"... there shalt be no monkey before me.."Aug 31 01:17
gacevedoOkay, I'm going off. Nice to meet you guys.Aug 31 01:20
gacevedobyeAug 31 01:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @reality Many people involved in broadcast medias do not realise there is a big difference between hearing and listening.Aug 31 01:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @webmink Hold The Celebrations; H.264 Is Not The Sort Of Free That Matters: http://bit.ly/beiw4E [by me]Aug 31 01:33
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-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] The Best Near-Term Future of Space Exploration? http://bit.ly/90zX6fAug 31 01:34
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-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] #USPTO is Imperialistic http://ur1.ca/1e8sg Another new set of examples where the USPTO hijacks other countries’ policiesAug 31 01:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @so_you_know RT @AM_Publishing: http://www.ur1.ca/1e8wi Call for submissions! The Great Novel Contest. Enter to win a book deal !writeAug 31 02:18
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-TRT/#techrights-[einfeldt] RT @sjvn: Upgrading to Windows 7 isn't Cheap http://bit.ly/c1cNbt in the corporate world by @sjvnAug 31 02:34
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-TRT/#techrights-[einfeldt] RT @jensaylor: Palliative care worker shares her observation of the top 5 regrets of the dying http://bit.ly/9Lh4dfAug 31 02:38
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-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Story Recycler: Oh Look, Google Interested In Renting Videos... Yet Again http://dlvr.it/4TK6xAug 31 02:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] http://tinyogg.com/watch/UH2yR/ Dear !Firefox, I'm not saying Windows and Mac are bad, but GNU/Linux also exists and it's worth mentioning.Aug 31 03:23
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-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] EPA Proposes Grading System For Car Fuel Economy http://bit.ly/bNYy5GAug 31 03:35
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] New WikiLeaks servers placed in nuclear bunker http://bit.ly/cvjdz6Aug 31 03:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] had hard time explaining to an Apple fanboy that Apple *shouldn't* necessarily have full control over his device. Typical case, I guess. :)Aug 31 03:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] 27 good reasons to love Linux http://bit.ly/d5lpwQ #linuxAug 31 03:48
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-TRT/#techrights-[ffii] See you in Hungary http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/schedConf/schedule #ooocon #openofficeAug 31 04:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Wyclef Jean distracts http://ur1.ca/1eai6Aug 31 05:23
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] New QuickTime Flaw Bypasses ASLR, DEP http://bit.ly/aRplNeAug 31 05:35
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-TRT/#techrights-[_the_mad_hatter] Attacks On The Creative Commons Licenses http://bit.ly/d9IPtIAug 31 05:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Investments in Monsanto bad news http://ur1.ca/1eat0Aug 31 06:23
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oiaohmhttp://techreport.com/discussions.x/19547 Interesting changeAug 31 06:35
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-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Microsoft, Who Supports Software Patents, Now Asks Supreme Court To Help It Against Patent Holder http://dlvr.it/4TdxfAug 31 06:35
-TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] If you connect whole country (or atleast Educational entities) to high speed Internet then one day it will become a developed country #ict4dAug 31 06:35
-TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] Eben Moglen will speak at "Software Patents and the Commons" seminar at Delhi, September 1, 2010, 10:00 am http://tinyurl.com/38bkqzxAug 31 06:35
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-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] RT @osamak http://tinyogg.com/watch/UH2yR/ Dear #Firefox, I'm not saying Windows and Mac are bad, but GNU/Linux also exists...Aug 31 06:41
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schestowitzRMS: "AMD jettisons ATI brand name, makes Radeon its own"Aug 31 06:46
schestowitzOops. "Handing out bags of GMO corn is effectively sabotage of farmers. Corn pollen travels a long distance in the wind, so genes tend to spread and contaminate everyone's corn. Monsanto only has to wait a few years for this to occur, and then it can sue all corn farmers in the area for patent infringement. "Aug 31 06:46
oiaohmYou are missing the worst bit.Aug 31 07:04
oiaohmLets say the GMO alteration is toxic.  schestowitzAug 31 07:05
oiaohmHow do we fix it.Aug 31 07:05
schestowitzI think sometimes it's designed only to reproduce in the labAug 31 07:10
schestowitzBut it doesn't workAug 31 07:11
schestowitzwhere lab=shopAug 31 07:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Obama should challenge Saudi Arabia http://ur1.ca/1eb9aAug 31 07:28
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-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] 'Free' H.264 a Precursor To WebM Patent War? http://bit.ly/cNq91fAug 31 07:36
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oiaohmReally design to stop in the lab is not that hard.  Many natural plants have done it.  schestowitzAug 31 08:07
oiaohmRemove viable seads and polion production.Aug 31 08:07
oiaohmGMO biggest threat is if it can damage the non lab stock completelly schestowitzAug 31 08:08
oiaohmSo forcing us to use Lab stock that does not react to polon.Aug 31 08:09
MinceR"Life finds a way."Aug 31 08:10
oiaohmYes but it does not mean we will be the life left alive.  MinceRAug 31 08:10
MinceRthat's trueAug 31 08:11
oiaohmhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20014864-264.html  One card down.  Now to get encoding free.Aug 31 08:20
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MinceRand non-web streaming, and non-free use, and...Aug 31 08:22
MinceRnon-streaming downloads...Aug 31 08:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Pressure to send more troops hard to resist http://ur1.ca/1ebqzAug 31 08:28
oiaohmThe battle is no where near over.Aug 31 08:30
oiaohmEditing and producing is a big part.Aug 31 08:31
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Hold The Celebrations; H.264 Is Not The Sort Of Free That Matters - http://bit.ly/9KfNW7 @webmink spot on as usual #swpats #h264 #webmAug 31 08:37
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] great to see the fine investigative journalist @tonyrcollins joining me on Computerworld UK's blogs - http://bit.ly/cgWtn8 #blogsAug 31 08:37
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] The Art of 20th Century Fugue - http://bit.ly/dfKZZt a clever and fascinating #Spotify playlistAug 31 08:37
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Mark Waid is Right - http://bit.ly/9yDBr1 points out copyright was to *limit* the control of authors/heirs over creations (via @codepope)Aug 31 08:37
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Gmail Priority Inbox: 5 Tips for Better Productivity - http://bit.ly/950AJ6 amazing they haven't done this before #email #priorityAug 31 08:40
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-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] Commented on @webmink article http://bit.ly/9KfNW7 It's wrong that MPEG LA makes patent problem worse. Its $$$ terms don't impede adoption.Aug 31 08:41
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-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] The thing to consider about MPEG LA is that if we had that type of licensing option in every field of technology => no more lawsuits etc.Aug 31 08:42
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody You agree with @webmink on MPEG. Would you agree having Google in charge of it all is worse than dozens of patent contributors?Aug 31 08:46
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @ffii Are you sure Paul Allen is a patent troll despite the credit for research collaboration Google gave Interval on an About page yrs ago?Aug 31 08:47
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] If You’ve Got Social Media Fatigue, UR DOIN IT WRONG - http://tcrn.ch/9bYz8Q nice, sane piece #socialnwsAug 31 08:49
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents really depends on the details - what "in charge" means, for example. If it means they pay for the coffee at meetings...Aug 31 08:50
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody In case of WebM it means that they're going to run development in-house. Theoretically others could. Practically no one else willAug 31 08:53
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Creation of common EU patent system faces legal setback - http://bit.ly/aHT1Tq help from an unexpected quarter (via @schestowitz) #swpatsAug 31 08:53
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-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody No swpat=>no MPEG, but a consortium of dozens of patent holders with diversity of interests is more reliable than single vendor.Aug 31 08:54
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Let Larry know you care - http://bit.ly/d0sYG0 interesting to see James Goslling getting more involved in this #java #oracleAug 31 08:56
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-TRT/#techrights-[linuxtoday] Why Microsoft is Being Nicer to Open Source: IT World: "If there was any take-away I got from LinuxCon a couple of... http://bit.ly/brPsdlAug 31 08:57
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I'm not supporting single vendor control (it should be under a foundation, say), but patent thickets aren't the way either...Aug 31 08:59
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody MPEG isn't the root cause of the patent thicket in question. It's a commercially very acceptable solution and risk reduction.Aug 31 09:00
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] The rare earth element big squeeze - http://bit.ly/b3F0SK good, detailed analysis of key area #rareearth #chinaAug 31 09:01
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-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody By not the root cause I mean those contributors would have done their codec R&D with the inevitable patenting activity anyway.Aug 31 09:02
-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Academic Journals Seeing Benefits In More Open Peer Review http://dlvr.it/4Tx0QAug 31 09:03
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents only because they're allowed to patent maths...Aug 31 09:04
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Wind River launches Linux developer community - http://bit.ly/c8Txfb belated but welcome #linux #embeddedAug 31 09:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Actors boycott theater performances in illegal colony http://ur1.ca/1ec8eAug 31 09:28
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-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody It's *applied* mathematics. That makes it so difficult because that's in countless other technologies, too. Where's the line?Aug 31 09:37
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents there is *no* line - we should abolish all intellectual monopolies immediately: economically inefficient, socially unjustAug 31 09:37
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Heaps of Fossils From Evolutionary ‘Big Bang’ Discovered - http://bit.ly/cCe3Hd what is it with Canada and weirdness? #evolutionAug 31 09:37
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody Well total IP abolition goes beyond what even I would demand and it won't happen in our lifetime. So we need solutions for today.Aug 31 09:37
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents dare to be ambitious: huge shifts can happen quickly in unstable times...Aug 31 09:37
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] The longer you sit, the earlier you die - http://bit.ly/do6wC1 well, it's been nice knowing you all... #sedentaryAug 31 09:38
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] P2PU launches 3rd round of courses, with “Copyright for Educators” - http://bit.ly/azlNMD "simultaneously launching its School of Webcraft"Aug 31 09:40
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MinceRgeekingsAug 31 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Election violence toward female candidates http://ur1.ca/1ectaAug 31 10:28
-TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Been in London for a mere 36 hours and now I'm in a cab again, headed for Heathrow and Melbourne and the #MWF and #WorldCon.Aug 31 10:37
-TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Back at work on the novel after a month's absence. All but caught up on emails and post. 2 columns and 2 speeches to write in the skyAug 31 10:37
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Building Prisons Without Walls Using GPS Devices http://bit.ly/bK5QNhAug 31 10:37
-TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Got a bag of (great looking) books to read and review. 10h to HK, stop for 1h and send/emit email, then 10h more to Mel.Aug 31 10:37
-TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Written 638 words of my 1000 in the taxi and I'm not even on the flyover yet. At this rate, I'll finish the speech too before checkinAug 31 10:37
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody I don't see any political instability whatsoever regarding IPRs. Industry is nearly 100% behind them worldwide: US EU China etc.Aug 31 10:37
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I'm not talking about political instability regarding intellectual monopolies, I'm talking about *global* political instabilityAug 31 10:37
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-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Why Paul Allen (Interval Patent Troll) Targets Companies That Do Not Cross-license With (or Pay) #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/1ecua #swpatsAug 31 10:37
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Man carrying rose caught on CCTV carrying a knife - http://bit.ly/9jSDw9 CCTV not only intrusive, it's often useless #surveillanceAug 31 10:37
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Rise in use of EUPL for publishing open source software - http://bit.ly/9mkQn5 really? I've never come across one #licensing #euAug 31 10:37
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-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody I still don't see how this would lead to IP abolition. Global political instability like new nuclear powers doesn't change IPRs.Aug 31 10:42
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] Some zealots *still* don't know that patents are related to a territorial target market, irrespective of company HQ location. #boycottboyAug 31 10:45
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I'm mean major changes in social values as the old ones prove bankrupt (literally & metaphorically)Aug 31 10:46
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody I don't deny serious problems of the current system but there'll be only gradual change, not a shift to IPR anarchy or communism.Aug 31 10:48
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I don't think absence of intellectual monopolies is anarchy, just a removal of unwarranted constraints...Aug 31 10:53
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody I said *IPR* not general anarchy. IPRs = monopolies. Questions are where grant fosters creativity and what forms of use hurt mostAug 31 10:57
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody It's obvious that IPRs are needed though there's need for improvement. Just look at computer games: great stuff needs huge budgetAug 31 10:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Carbon upset http://ur1.ca/1edg2Aug 31 11:28
-TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] RT @DrRimmer: It is a tragedy that Sony - the champions of consumer time-shifting - supports over-broad interpretations of TPMs.Aug 31 11:37
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] iFixit Moves Into Console Repair http://bit.ly/aiJjnKAug 31 11:37
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents I don't know of any research that shows they foster creativity...but the contraryAug 31 11:38
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents there are lots of ways of recouping investment without needing intellectual monopoliesAug 31 11:39
-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Shameful News Industry Willing To Sacrifice Wikileaks To Get Shield Law http://dlvr.it/4VB3qAug 31 11:39
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-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: OIN, Patent Attorney Ignorance, “Ultimate Patent Troll”, the Rambus Submarine Patent... http://ur1.ca/1edl4 #swpatsAug 31 11:43
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-TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @KoenigLudwigI: Diese modernen Medien stehen auch einer Majestät zur Seite. Ein gutes Werk meiner Untertanen.Aug 31 11:44
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Shameful News Industry Willing To Sacrifice Wikileaks To Get Shield Law - http://bit.ly/bTEp4q confirms MSM is morally bankruptAug 31 11:45
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Wrongfully Accused Of File-Sharing? File For Harassment - http://bit.ly/d0BSV8 great idea #filesharing #harassmentAug 31 11:46
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] International team developing open source hospital information system - http://bit.ly/dvhR0A potentially big #eu #healthcareAug 31 11:48
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Catholics Take Out Bus Ads Aimed At Pope - http://bit.ly/8YMRK1 nice one #catholics #popeAug 31 11:49
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-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Why does Slashdot use scary headlines? http://ur1.ca/1edng "'Free' H.264 a Precursor To WebM Patent War?"Aug 31 11:51
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-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody No shortage of pro-IPR studies and above all there's empirical evidence. Look at financials of pro-IP businesses vs. anti-IP.Aug 31 11:57
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody There must be both models, IPR-centric and more free/open. Non-IPR can't replace the largest part of all innovative industries.Aug 31 11:58
schestowitz*LOL*Aug 31 11:59
schestowitz[08:41] [Notice] -TRT to #techrights- [fosspatents] Commented on @webmink article http://bit.ly/9KfNW7 It's wrong that MPEG LA makes patent problem worse. Its $$$ terms don't impede adoption.Aug 31 11:59
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schestowitzWhat a weaselAug 31 11:59
schestowitzTHat's the guy who pretends to oppose software patentsAug 31 11:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Bad decision today:"I don't need Quiet Car. This 05:30 Amtrak train #NYP -> #BAL is nearly empty". Philadelphia people are loud & numerous.Aug 31 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Separating settlers from the majority of Israel http://ur1.ca/1edzpAug 31 12:33
schestowitzThis is true. It's like neocons or KKKAug 31 12:36
schestowitzOr Al QaedaAug 31 12:37
schestowitzCOllectivism... same in FOSS, where people lump Ballmer in with proprietaryAug 31 12:37
schestowitzOr where Fauxpatent is painted as a FOSS personAug 31 12:37
-TRT/#techrights-[davidgerard] Have the MOST ANNOYING PHONE IN HISTORY. http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/whitecat/259/80spage.htmAug 31 12:37
-TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @koenigludwigi: Hiermit werden die wahren Bajuwaren zum Followen seiner Majestät aufgefordert. Bitte RT. | aber gerne, Majestät!Aug 31 12:37
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Man carrying rose caught on CCTV carrying a knife - http://bit.ly/9jSDw9 CCTV not only intrusive, it's often uselessAug 31 12:37
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schestowitzSee the conversation above where he argues for patents with MoodyAug 31 12:38
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents yes, look at the fact that total legal costs of litigating sw patents *outweighed* total sw patent licensing income...Aug 31 12:42
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents disagreeAug 31 12:42
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody Even if true that swpat litigation cost outweighs licensing income, swpats still serve strat purpose. Prove: industry wants them.Aug 31 12:54
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody Even if true that swpat litigation cost outweighs licensing income, swpats still serve strat purpose. Proof: industry wants them.Aug 31 12:55
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uhhhare you guys really that stupid as to think miguel didn't write gnumeric?Aug 31 13:00
uhhhseriously?Aug 31 13:00
uhhhare you guys retarded or something?Aug 31 13:00
uhhhyou guys seem to love making up your own history to fit your hatred for miguelAug 31 13:01
uhhhand what's he ever done to you?Aug 31 13:01
uhhhnothing.Aug 31 13:01
uhhhand then there's the whole badmouthing mono thingAug 31 13:02
uhhhyou guys bully the bulliedAug 31 13:02
uhhhand it makes you feel all tough and important?Aug 31 13:02
uhhhlolAug 31 13:02
uhhhif you guys really dislike patents (and I agree, they should be done away with)Aug 31 13:02
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] Excellent article: three myths about WikiLeaks | Le Monde Diplomatic http://bit.ly/9meCqnAug 31 13:02
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Who Steals the Gene from Off the Common - http://bit.ly/cXyYLd the Great Enclosure Lie 2.0 #sciencecommonsAug 31 13:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Three digital myths - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition .::. Size~: 29.58 KBAug 31 13:02
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uhhhthen spend your energies attacking the source, not the free software projectsAug 31 13:03
oiaohmuhhh: The patent issues of .net have not been cleared up at this time fully.  There are too many loop holes in the agreements.Aug 31 13:03
uhhhand maybe start doing a bit of research before making accusations and insinuations about things that take 30 seconds to disproveAug 31 13:03
uhhhoiaohm: then lobby against Microsoft to make them clearer / fix themAug 31 13:04
uhhhdon't attack MonoAug 31 13:04
oiaohmAt least with java I can find the coverage rules that make you 100 percent safe.Aug 31 13:04
uhhhthey aren't doing anything wrongAug 31 13:04
uhhhthey aren't the ones who threatenAug 31 13:04
oiaohmReally.Aug 31 13:04
oiaohmHow does Novell use its patents.Aug 31 13:04
uhhhfor defense onlyAug 31 13:04
MinceRpoor little m$, everyone picks on them.Aug 31 13:04
oiaohmHistory is offensive.Aug 31 13:04
MinceRthat's rich.Aug 31 13:04
uhhhthey have never suedAug 31 13:04
uhhhyou guys are retardedAug 31 13:05
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-TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] RT @malini_aisola: ACTA Japan round, purportedly the FINAL one, starting as early as September 23 in TokyoAug 31 13:05
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitzAug 31 13:05
MinceRdoes this retard at least get paid for that astroturfing?Aug 31 13:05
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to MinceR tessierAug 31 13:06
MinceRthxAug 31 13:06
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitzAug 31 13:06
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] US movie tickets get biggest price hike in history - http://bit.ly/9UwcR1 gosh, piracy really taking its toll #fud #piracyAug 31 13:06
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents they think they want them because everyone else has them: MAD....Aug 31 13:06
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oiaohmBoy these trolls don't get it you don't have to sue directly to use patent offensively.Aug 31 13:09
schestowitz[13:04] <uhhh> they have never suedAug 31 13:09
schestowitz*LOL*Aug 31 13:09
schestowitzThey sues *AND* extorted. A LOT.Aug 31 13:09
schestowitzHe sounds like Microsoft FlorianAug 31 13:10
schestowitzSame talking pointAug 31 13:10
schestowitzThis troll comes from near WalhamAug 31 13:10
MinceRflorian talks like a child too?Aug 31 13:10
schestowitzThat's where many of the Mono trolls come from.. and workAug 31 13:10
schestowitz"hsd1.ma.comcast.net"Aug 31 13:10
schestowitzMinceR: noAug 31 13:11
MinceRshould we ban comcast?Aug 31 13:11
schestowitzI think this trolls rhymes with "droll"Aug 31 13:11
oiaohmI find it funny how fast the disappear when you say History is offensiveAug 31 13:11
oiaohmI think they wake up they are opening a pandoras box.Aug 31 13:11
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/861576_baby_drool.jpgAug 31 13:12
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MinceRoiaohm: what do you mean?Aug 31 13:12
oiaohmNovell history is nice and mixed.Aug 31 13:12
oiaohmNovell set SCO up to attack Linux then plays white knight when it started going wrong.Aug 31 13:12
oiaohmThis is normal master troll releations.Aug 31 13:13
oiaohmSCO attacking Linux so allowing Novell to attack them so killing off one of Novell biggest competitors has to be one of the most evil company moves I have ever seen.Aug 31 13:14
oiaohmI really do fell sorry for some people who invested in SCO.Aug 31 13:15
MinceRserves them rightAug 31 13:15
MinceRthey should have taken their money out of SCO the moment mcbride started the dickeryAug 31 13:16
oiaohmWhat do you think Novell would have done if SCO had won against Linux.Aug 31 13:16
oiaohmYep stepped up killed SCO and become the master.Aug 31 13:16
oiaohmSCO basically was a puppet so if it did not work Novell would not have to take the fall out.Aug 31 13:16
schestowitz[13:15] <MinceR> serves them rightAug 31 13:17
schestowitzWith GNU/LinuxAug 31 13:17
schestowitzOh, not anymore I see... http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/graph?site=www.sco.comAug 31 13:18
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oiaohmThe levels I see things from is different to a lot of people.  Its nice and simple to blame SCO.Aug 31 13:21
oiaohmNovell could have stepped up as soon as SCO started demarding licences.Aug 31 13:22
oiaohmInstead waited until SCO attacked IBM and IBM was going to hit back hard before stepping up.Aug 31 13:22
oiaohmSad part is we are never going to see the IBM counter case fully.Aug 31 13:22
oiaohmReason why I see Novell and SCO as a master slave setup.Aug 31 13:23
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-TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] test #sptcAug 31 13:37
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Flight Data Recorders, Decades Out of Date http://bit.ly/aJuDpDAug 31 13:37
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] RT @mgeist RT @malini_aisola: ACTA Japan round, purportedly the FINAL one, starting as early as September 23 in TokyoAug 31 13:37
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody It's a mistake to limit to licensing income and litigation cost. Overlooks that competitors don't do certain things in 1st place.Aug 31 13:37
-TRT/#techrights-[fosspatents] @glynmoody If it were just about MAD then they'd simply lobby against those patents and industry as a whole could abolish. It's about more.Aug 31 13:37
-TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] Is FB migrating to Windows? Or why is it so fscking slow and full of error 500/404 today? ;-)Aug 31 13:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Hardware Story | Flight Data Recorders, Decades Out of Date .::. Size~: 71.54 KBAug 31 13:37
MinceRtime to migrate off FB-I, then :>Aug 31 13:38
schestowitzyeahAug 31 13:39
schestowitzI was gonna say as soon as I read thatAug 31 13:39
MinceRhttp://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/sweaty-zuckerberg-has-his-richard-nixon-moment-20100603-x2gp.html   http://gawker.com/5556552/the-facebook-illuminati-symbol-hidden-inside-mark-zuckerbergs-hoodieAug 31 13:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sweaty Zuckerberg has his 'Richard Nixon moment' .::. Size~: 111.14 KBAug 31 13:40
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schestowitz*LOL*Aug 31 13:42
schestowitzShouldn't he just be pale?Aug 31 13:42
schestowitzMade me think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9reH2TJg4EAug 31 13:42
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents because there are so many swpats, that means that *everyone* doesn't do something = *less* innovation: QEDAug 31 13:42
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Commercialization of IP In Canadian Universities: Barely Better Than Break Even - http://bit.ly/btuAsv i.e. waste of time #canadaAug 31 13:44
MinceRmaybe zuckerberg is secretly related to ballmer?Aug 31 13:45
MinceRit would explain the sweatAug 31 13:45
MinceRand the evilnessAug 31 13:45
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] I've been going through some of the latest material at http://jcmr-online.com/ which is Open Access for the most part. It's catching on #oaAug 31 13:45
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Guardian Science blogs - http://bit.ly/bsd2vm nice, important move #blogging #scienceAug 31 13:46
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-TRT/#techrights-[thistleweb] Another day, another Apple advert disguised as news http://bit.ly/9mpyl1Aug 31 13:51
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-TRT/#techrights-[thistleweb] Android has something similar btwAug 31 13:52
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] "Cardiac Imaging" has this < http://ur1.ca/1eenh > from 2010, which it makes viewable as HTML < http://ur1.ca/1eeni >Aug 31 13:58
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Nice to see: "This article is distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial License" #openaccess #scienceAug 31 13:58
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-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Class Action Lawsuit Says Facebook Violated The Law By Letting Kids Like Ads http://dlvr.it/4VQNRAug 31 13:59
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-TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @FFII_de: @jwildeboer Nach Agent Müller zugespielten Informationen sei Allen vielleicht doch kein Patenttroll. #swpatAug 31 14:03
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-TRT/#techrights-[thistleweb] Traditonal news agencies who back this should be ashamed of themselves http://bit.ly/bTjghhAug 31 14:37
-TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] 1 day seminar on "Software patent and the Commons" will be available live here http://seminar.knowledgecommons.in/SPtC.html #SPtCAug 31 14:37
-TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] I am testing , you can see me live - http://seminar.knowledgecommons.in/SPtC.htmlAug 31 14:37
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] What Paul Allen and Larry Ellison Have in Common - http://bit.ly/cCCOdY maybe they just can't help it #swpatsAug 31 14:37
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] StormOS Hail Beta - A very stormy experience http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/stormos-beta.html #openslowlarrys #unixAug 31 14:37
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] UK: 'Government use of ODF would help break vendor lock-in' http://ur1.ca/1ecis #uk #odfAug 31 14:37
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- apnea cardiac MRI http://youtu.be/_58l6oFhfZU?aAug 31 14:37
-TRT/#techrights-[thistleweb] If you run a Drupal site and want your images etc indexed by the search engines, I suggest you read this post http://bit.ly/d47dI3Aug 31 14:37
-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] The rare earth element big squeeze http://ur1.ca/1eeug [via @glynmoody ]Aug 31 14:37
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-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Trade groups: policing our digital copyrights is just too hard - http://bit.ly/cChrPd one-sided laws just not one-sided enough #dmcaAug 31 14:37
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-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] My brainy friend @quadricode sez WHY strtotime() smells. "overloading is only as good as the type system" http://mnvl.org/quad/qqqqssss?p=p2Aug 31 14:38
-TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Musopen Wants to Give Classical Music to the Public Domain - http://bit.ly/ciofu8 victim of #copyright maximalism #classicalmusicAug 31 14:38
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-TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] Commercialization of intellectual property in Canadian universities: Barely better than break even http://bit.ly/ct4T12Aug 31 14:40
-TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @swardley: VMWare knows the server virt market will commoditise rapidly, wonder if the VMWare vCloud(TM) DataCentre partners know this?Aug 31 14:41
MinceRIrrational Exuberance!Aug 31 14:43
*MinceR wonders if "QQQQ SSSS" really originates from that animutation or elsewhereAug 31 14:48
schestowitzPreston Gralla FUD http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/08/30/gnulinux-is-very-secure/Aug 31 14:53
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-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Links 31/8/2010: #Linux Developer Community From Wind River, Multitouch Tablet http://ur1.ca/1ef34 #techrightsAug 31 14:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 31/8/2010: !Linux Developer Community From Wind River, Multitouch Tablet http://ur1.ca/1ef34 !techrightsAug 31 14:58
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schestowitzhttp://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2010/08/buy-buy-baby-is-motto-for-intel-and-others-lately.htmlAug 31 15:13
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-TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] It's time for Lotus to double-down on Linux and open source http://www.dominopower.com/issues/issue201008/00002554001.html #Linux Me: Amen.Aug 31 15:38
-TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] ♺ @carlopiana: ♺ @mjjzf @xo: Masking embarassing items in your shopping cart: http://is.gd/eNpRf < LOLAug 31 15:38
-TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] The Case for IPv6 in an IPv4 World: The Manager’s View http://bit.ly/9qUQ1x by @sjvn #IPv6Aug 31 15:38
-TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] RT @wrash: India's BlackBerry reprieve is good, but Indian security services should know the effort is futile http://tinyurl.com/235gc2eAug 31 15:38
-TRT/#techrights-[sjvn] How to Save Money on Disaster Recovery http://bit.ly/bt247hAug 31 15:38
-TRT/#techrights-[jwildeboer] "Five Reasons Linux Beats Windows for Servers" http://is.gd/eNrE4Aug 31 15:38
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-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Ridiculous Content Restrictions Mean NBC Loses Viral Buzz For Emmy Clips http://dlvr.it/4VZpWAug 31 15:38
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-TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Customizable Linux tablet features 10.1-inch multitouch display http://ur1.ca/1efe4 except #hypePad almost every tablet is #Linux basedAug 31 15:39
-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] anyone who grabs a general purpose RDBMS & throws 100GB a day at it will recapitulate what's been learned in 50yrs of data warehousing. #sqlAug 31 15:39
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-TRT/#techrights-[nsisodiya] I spent total 2200 Rs per month for Internet. :( TAta Wimax (1700) + reliance USB stick (500) #internetAug 31 15:54
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-TRT/#techrights-[einfeldt] RT @LoungeFlyZ: @BR3NDA If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.Aug 31 16:03
-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] RT @KatrinaNation 7 years of fighting, 4400 US soldiers & countless Iraqis killed. $ 1 tln & counting. Worth it? No. // +a nation destroyedAug 31 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] How's HaikuOS doing ? I'm very curious about testing it. But, what about hardware support ?Aug 31 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] "Apple's latest DRM patent" http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/1313 !fsf !dbd !lpAug 31 16:33
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-TRT/#techrights-[_the_mad_hatter] I subscribed to debbieohi's channel on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/user/debbieohi?feature=autoshareAug 31 16:38
-TRT/#techrights-[ffii] #ACTA negotiators are amateurs, Sept conclusion is impossible. http://bit.ly/ds8BefAug 31 16:38
-TRT/#techrights-[jonobacon] Howdy all, how are you all doing today, friends?Aug 31 16:38
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-TRT/#techrights-[ffii] US aimed to conclude ACTA prior to the end of the Bush administration termAug 31 16:38
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schestowitz"Users of obscure third-party Twitter applications may be surprised to find that their apps no longer work, if the app creators of those apps haven't been keeping up with changes in the Twitter API (application programming interface). " probably explained the lagAug 31 17:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz RT @ffii #ACTA negotiators are amateurs, Sept conclusion is impossible. http://bit.ly/ds8BefAug 31 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada: Serving the Public…? http://whoacanada.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/serving-the-public/ #cdnpoli !c32 #ElectoralReform #democracyAug 31 17:28
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gnufreexHiAug 31 17:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yes, "We Love Open Source", thus spake M$ with a forked tongue! http://ur1.ca/1eguo #fbAug 31 18:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Debian Project mourns the loss of Frans Pop http://ping.fm/4N7D5Aug 31 18:33
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schestowitzMac Asay:Aug 31 18:36
schestowitzhttp://voices.canonical.com/matt.asay/2010/08/31/thinking-different-at-canonical/Aug 31 18:36
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schestowitzThink different.Aug 31 18:36
schestowitzSounds familiar.Aug 31 18:36
schestowitzOh.Aug 31 18:36
schestowitz"In other words, we’re spreading like Apple. We should market in similar ways."Aug 31 18:36
schestowitzNow that's why I call him Mac AsayAug 31 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Cinco motivos que colocam o Linux à frente do Windows em servidores #Linux http://t.co/i5Y7OrzAug 31 18:38
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MinceRas long as "don't" is "different"Aug 31 18:40
MinceRi'd say "Don't Think" is pretty mainstream nowadays, and so is crAppleAug 31 18:40
gnufreexI think Ubuntu is going Mono way just because they know that Fedora won't include Mono appsAug 31 18:40
gnufreexThey want to be "different"Aug 31 18:40
MinceRso that's why they copy macosAug 31 18:40
gnufreexTo have apps that Fedora don't haveAug 31 18:41
MinceRthey want to be "different" (read: same)Aug 31 18:41
gnufreexThey hate Red Hat. Shuttleworth trashes Red Hat regualrlyAug 31 18:41
gnufreexAnd Mac Assay tooAug 31 18:41
gnufreexThey want to be different than FedoraAug 31 18:41
gnufreexTo take all fedora code and give nothing backAug 31 18:42
gnufreexSo they writte their crap in MonoAug 31 18:42
gnufreexSo Red Hat won't include itAug 31 18:42
gnufreexin FedoraAug 31 18:42
ThistleWebrofl, I'd love to see a canonical meeting agenda, top of the page is a list of what fedora do, next is that copied and pasted with the is / isn't reversed......meeting overAug 31 18:56
ThistleWebthats the whole reason for being in business, reverse what fedora doAug 31 18:56
ThistleWebjust to be differentAug 31 18:56
ThistleWebyou wouldnt even need staff to attend the meetings, just script the change and send the word outAug 31 18:57
ThistleWeb"hey guys, don't bother trying to come up with anything, fedora have set our agenda for us"Aug 31 18:57
ThistleWebor is this just another anti-ubuntu convo?Aug 31 18:58
ThistleWebfind an excuse to bash them and beginAug 31 18:58
gnufreexTristleWeb: No, I didn't meant that way. They use common base, same as Debian and Fedora and all else.Aug 31 18:58
gnufreexProblem is that they don't want oters to use their specific changesAug 31 18:59
schestowitz[18:41] <gnufreex> They hate Red Hat. Shuttleworth trashes Red Hat regualrlyAug 31 18:59
gnufreexThat is why people call them leechesAug 31 18:59
schestowitzNot trueAug 31 18:59
gnufreexschestowitz: Shuttleworth said RH is propriatary company.Aug 31 19:00
gnufreexAnd he refused to take that back laterAug 31 19:00
ThistleWeband?Aug 31 19:00
ThistleWebhow does that fit with "constantly trashing them"?Aug 31 19:00
ThistleWebone commentAug 31 19:00
ThistleWebmaybe a few more during interviewsAug 31 19:00
gnufreexNot one comment, Canonical marketing is based on that.Aug 31 19:01
schestowitzgnufreex: got the link?Aug 31 19:01
ThistleWeb"constantly trashing" suggests a campaign directed at themAug 31 19:01
gnufreexHod onAug 31 19:01
gnufreexHold*Aug 31 19:01
ThistleWebnot just comments made by people in a larger context where many subjects are discussedAug 31 19:01
schestowitzYesAug 31 19:02
schestowitzI want to see the contextAug 31 19:02
ThistleWeband the frequencyAug 31 19:03
gnufreexHere is where he should take back his claim, but he didn't  http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/442Aug 31 19:03
schestowitzI remember when Microsoft Florian told me that Gosling praises Microsoft or somethingAug 31 19:03
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schestowitzI asked for a link and then it turned out that he slammed thenAug 31 19:03
schestowitz*thewmAug 31 19:03
gnufreexWait, I am searachingAug 31 19:03
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gnufreexhttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/77#comment-32120Aug 31 19:04
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gnufreexHere is where he originaly made that claimAug 31 19:04
sebsebsebgnufreex: Whats that about?Aug 31 19:04
schestowitz"Red Hat’s success in proving a viable business model around a distribution was a very significant milestone in that quest, for all of us. I don’t mean to diminish that achievement when I point out that it’s come at the cost of dividing the world into those that buy RHEL, and those that can’t or won’t. "Aug 31 19:04
sebsebsebthe Mark link?Aug 31 19:04
sebsebsebHi peopleAug 31 19:04
sebsebseb Aug 31 19:04
schestowitzWhere does he say it's proprietary?Aug 31 19:04
sebsebseboh the Redhat thingAug 31 19:04
schestowitzHe commends themAug 31 19:04
schestowitzThere's centosAug 31 19:04
ThistleWebcanonical are competing directly against redhat and suse for buisnesses who pay support contracts too, it's natural that they'll target their marketing to that focus, to show why they're different ffrom the competitionAug 31 19:05
schestowitzLet's be fair. He needn't apologise for thatAug 31 19:05
gnufreexGreg DeKoenigsberg attacked him because of that. And later apoligised for overreacting.Aug 31 19:06
ThistleWebto me "constantly trashing" would fit someone like ballmer or mcbrideAug 31 19:06
gnufreexhttp://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/old-wounds/Aug 31 19:06
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gnufreexThistleWeb: He never took back his claimAug 31 19:06
ThistleWebI'm waiting to see this campaign of trashingAug 31 19:07
ThistleWebone or two comments do not make a campaignAug 31 19:07
schestowitzgnufreex: maybe he had his hands full :-0Aug 31 19:07
gnufreexIt is enough to make most Ubunut fanboys repeat it. ThistleWebAug 31 19:07
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-07-30-028-35-OS-CY-UBAug 31 19:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I generally dislike lazy people. But, on occasion, someone's laziness actually advances software freedom. In such cases, I like laziness.Aug 31 19:08
ThistleWebgnufreex: you mentione MARK is constantly trashing redhatAug 31 19:08
schestowitz"I think Mark Shuttleworth and Jono Bacon (Jono is the Community Manager) are more adept at deflecting criticism than addressing it. But I can't get too worked up about this because nobody likes being criticized and crabbed at, and the higher your profile the more people see you as a target than a person. I've been guilty of all of these things. Most everyone has. "Aug 31 19:08
schestowitz"I have never heard Mark Shuttleworth, Jono Bacon, or anyone representing Ubuntu or Canonical put down other Linux distributions or contributors. In my grumpier moments their relentlessly positive, cult-like Kumbaya-or-else approach makes me want to turn the hose on them. But I don't remember them attacking anyone else the way they've been attacked. "Aug 31 19:08
ThistleWebnow you're asked to show it, you then say "well, it's the fans"Aug 31 19:08
ThistleWebmark != ubuntu usersAug 31 19:09
sebsebsebwhat does != mean again?Aug 31 19:09
schestowitzUbuntu users can include DaemonTrollsAug 31 19:09
ThistleWebmeans "not equal to"Aug 31 19:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: DeamonFC? :DAug 31 19:09
gnufreexStuttleworth is setting agendaAug 31 19:10
ThistleWeblolAug 31 19:10
*sebsebseb likes a few little things about Ubuntu 10.10Aug 31 19:10
gnufreexYou can read Mac Asay's posts on cnetAug 31 19:10
gnufreexAnd on other sitesAug 31 19:10
sebsebsebfor example how  the window borders don't look uh, in the default htemeAug 31 19:10
gnufreexSince he got into canonicalAug 31 19:10
ThistleWeband matts comments are again not markAug 31 19:11
ThistleWebyou make a claim, then try to move the goalposts when asked to provide examplesAug 31 19:11
ThistleWebI guess it's an easy accusation to throw out until you're asked to give examplesAug 31 19:12
gnufreexI provided examples.Aug 31 19:12
ThistleWebno, you never showed a campaign of trashingAug 31 19:12
ThistleWebyou showed 1 or 2 comments, and somehow that equals a campaign of constant trashingAug 31 19:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] another month, another release: http://dot.kde.org/2010/08/31/kde-releases-451Aug 31 19:13
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gnufreexHe atacked Red Hat years ago, unrightfully , and didn't apoligise when called out. That means he realy meant what he said.Aug 31 19:13
ThistleWebmaybe so, but where is the constant trashing?Aug 31 19:13
ThistleWebdid he add those comments as his sig on forums?Aug 31 19:13
ThistleWebdid he set up a site to pull thse comments out and emphasise them?Aug 31 19:14
ThistleWebdid he do talks about them at debcon?Aug 31 19:14
ThistleWebor was it just a couple of comments in a much wider interview?Aug 31 19:14
ThistleWebseems to me like you're cherry picking stuff as an excuse to flame themAug 31 19:15
gnufreexThere are lots of reasons why they should be flamedAug 31 19:15
ThistleWebtrying to somehow connect a things out of contextAug 31 19:15
ThistleWebthen do it fairlyAug 31 19:15
gnufreexBut I don't want to flame them for evenrything. Some things are not their fault entirely.Aug 31 19:16
ThistleWebotherwise it just looks like an excuse to flame themAug 31 19:16
ThistleWeband nobody is gonna take you serious when they detect that as a motiveAug 31 19:16
gnufreexI could flame them all day, there is so much material.Aug 31 19:16
gnufreexBut I am not doing it.Aug 31 19:17
gnufreex Because it is not all their fault.Aug 31 19:17
gnufreexUsing Mono is their fault.Aug 31 19:17
gnufreexFUDing Red Hat is their faultAug 31 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @x1101 @bkuhn isn't everyone who scripts essentially lazy?Aug 31 19:18
*ThistleWeb is wondering if this "FUDing RH" claim will stand up to any questioning either, and can't really be bothered finding outAug 31 19:19
*ThistleWeb suspects its yet another couple of random comments which is supposedly a campaignAug 31 19:20
ThistleWebthey use mono because it's currently not a threatAug 31 19:21
ThistleWebat least that's my understandingAug 31 19:22
MinceRno, they use mono either because they _believe_ it's currently not a threatAug 31 19:22
ThistleWebif it becomes a threat down the line, which it most likely will be, they will remove it thenAug 31 19:22
MinceRor because they knowingly serve m$'s agendaAug 31 19:22
gnufreexMono is not only a patent threat. It is threat every day.Aug 31 19:22
MinceRyes, and they'll rewrite half of gnome in a day, right?Aug 31 19:23
MinceRand half the kernel, if it comes to thatAug 31 19:23
ThistleWebyeah sorry MinceR my tinfoil hat slipped off, you're right of courseAug 31 19:23
MinceRvery funnyAug 31 19:23
gnufreexI refuse to beleive that Canonical serves M$ agenda, so I am saying that they use Mono in order to diferientate from Fedora...Aug 31 19:23
MinceRalmost as funny as a patent lawsuitAug 31 19:23
MinceRalmostAug 31 19:23
gnufreex... do you prefer me to say that they are helpin M$, ThistleWeb?Aug 31 19:24
gnufreexI don't really beleive that.,Aug 31 19:24
MinceRi hope canonical doesn't serve m$, but they keep giving signals that conflict with this viewAug 31 19:24
MinceRmaybe they're just exceptionally naiveAug 31 19:24
MinceR(not just mono, there was also the bìng incident)Aug 31 19:25
ThistleWebor they see it as it is, right now it's not a threat, it may become one down the line if MS decide to act on it, but right now it's notAug 31 19:25
schestowitz[19:13] <gnufreex> He atacked Red Hat years ago, unrightfully , and didn't apoligise when called out. That means he realy meant what he said.Aug 31 19:25
schestowitzHe competes with themAug 31 19:25
schestowitzAnd also collaborates on codeAug 31 19:25
MinceRlike i said, when the lawsuit comes, they'll rewrite half of gnome in a dayAug 31 19:25
gnufreexMinceR: There are lots of MS astroturfers and lobyists in Ubunut coummunity. They let them once in, now they can't get them out.Aug 31 19:25
ThistleWebthe deeper mono gets into the core stuff, the longer it will take to remove it, I agreeAug 31 19:25
MinceRand they won't mind giving up years of work because of it, eitherAug 31 19:26
ThistleWebso every gnome distro has mono?Aug 31 19:26
ThistleWebI thought fedora didntAug 31 19:26
MinceRnot yetAug 31 19:26
MinceRcanonical does have an effect on it, do they not?Aug 31 19:26
MinceRgnome is already infested with monomaniacsAug 31 19:27
MinceRlike captain dildoAug 31 19:27
MinceRalso, someone said that ubuntu forums are controlled by linsux trollsAug 31 19:27
ThistleWebisnt it possible that some people actually like mono and think its progress?Aug 31 19:27
MinceRsureAug 31 19:27
MinceRpeople who work for m$ like itAug 31 19:27
gnufreexThistleWeb: Yes, it is posible. And that is biggest problem.Aug 31 19:28
MinceRand it's certainly progress... for themAug 31 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Listening to @timlouisjazz "Mood Swings" while slugging through yesterday's CRTC decision (no link-cd purchased from artist) !stopUBBAug 31 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Pirate Bay Movie Fully Funded In Three Days - http://bit.ly/dA2Q5V by the people etc. #film #fundingAug 31 19:28
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MinceRfor the rest of us, it's a trapAug 31 19:28
ThistleWeblol, I read that in the sound of Admiral AckbarAug 31 19:28
ThistleWeb"it's a trap!"Aug 31 19:28
gnufreexIt is a trap in more ways than one.Aug 31 19:28
gnufreexAnd they try to ridicule that notion, like you are doing it now ThistleWeb.Aug 31 19:29
MinceRhttp://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tarp-30198.jpgAug 31 19:29
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ThistleWebwhile it's just apps, they can be whipped out and replaced if or when MS send out the lawyersAug 31 19:29
MinceRthe monomaniacs try to drown us out in noiseAug 31 19:29
MinceRastroturfing and brainwashingAug 31 19:29
MinceRif there's no untainted alternative then not even apps can be "just [...] whipped out and replaced"Aug 31 19:30
schestowitzor compatibleAug 31 19:30
MinceReither way, effort is wasted on maintaining an app for m$ to ownAug 31 19:30
gnufreexThistleWeb: It is not just about suing and lawyers. All Mono apps work on Windows. And since .NET is real thing, some people will prefer that. Mono is just a copy. .NET apps don't work in MonoAug 31 19:30
gnufreexIt makes Linux inferior choiceAug 31 19:31
MinceRthat tooAug 31 19:31
MinceRthe arrangement is designed to make sure that mono will forever remain an inferior clone of .net that is behind itAug 31 19:31
ThistleWebit'll be disruptive yes, fatal? I doubt thatAug 31 19:31
MinceRdepends on how much work/code they hold hostageAug 31 19:32
ThistleWebmaybe canonical will learn their lesson when that day comesAug 31 19:32
MinceRremember, all that will have to be rewritten, unless they can find a patent-safe way to convert everythingAug 31 19:32
ThistleWebin which case will they happily sign up for more MS stuff in the future?Aug 31 19:32
MinceReveryone should have learned their lesson long agoAug 31 19:32
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gnufreexThistleWeb: I am not sure you are getting the issue. We don't know when will Microsoft react. They will maybe let it incubate for another 10 years, and in meanwhile do their anti-Free software "we love open source" propagandaAug 31 19:33
ThistleWebit's like corps who spent a fortune designing intranet sites for ie6, and cant use any other browser without rebuilding their intranetAug 31 19:33
gnufreexIn 10 years, we don't know what landscape will beAug 31 19:33
ThistleWebare those corps gonna rebuild their intranet to be locked into ie8? of course not, unless they're stupidAug 31 19:33
MinceRexactlyAug 31 19:34
ThistleWebmaybe they're naieveAug 31 19:34
ThistleWebI wouldnt say stupidAug 31 19:34
MinceRthere megacorps that are already locked into ie6Aug 31 19:34
MinceRbecause they didn't learn the lessonAug 31 19:34
MinceRand yet some people insist that we commit the same mistake over and overAug 31 19:35
MinceRand be burnt by it every timeAug 31 19:35
ThistleWebbut it is possible that they're trying to have a mainstream OS that's as MS compatible as possible, in a windows worldAug 31 19:35
MinceRif they're trying to stay m$ compatible, they're playing a losing gameAug 31 19:35
MinceRm$ has done the "screw everyone who's trying to stay compatible with us" game for decadesAug 31 19:35
gnufreexThistleWeb: If canonical is doing that, they are stupid.Aug 31 19:35
MinceRsee the things around DOS, winblows and office for an exampleAug 31 19:36
MinceRthe only thing that's worth making an effort to be compatible with is open standards, preferably with a free reference implementationAug 31 19:36
ThistleWebahh, so the office suites that open .docAug 31 19:36
gnufreexIf they are going the path of "peaceful coexistence" with Windows, they are stupidAug 31 19:36
ThistleWebthey're bad thenAug 31 19:36
gnufreexRead what Be's CEO said about thatAug 31 19:37
ThistleWebwhen you try to convince windows users to switch you tell them "oh btw, nothing you;re used to on windows will work here, but trust us, it's a great OS"Aug 31 19:37
gnufreexThistleWeb: That is why open source apps work on WindowsAug 31 19:38
ThistleWebanything they can do to be as compatible eases user over to usAug 31 19:38
MinceRThistleWeb: no, people who standardize on .doc because of those suites are Doing It WrongAug 31 19:38
gnufreexOdds are that most people are using free software alreadyAug 31 19:38
MinceRas long as they can keep reading and writing m$-compatible files, they're luckyAug 31 19:38
MinceRthere's no guarantee that it will stay that wayAug 31 19:38
ThistleWebgnufreex: to a point yes, but plenty of core stuff is not freeAug 31 19:38
MinceRthe best thing one can do with a .doc is convert it to a sane formatAug 31 19:39
gnufreexThistleWeb: You mean Photoshop, AuctoCAD and such?Aug 31 19:39
MinceR.odt, for exampleAug 31 19:39
ThistleWebphotoshop, yes, MS officeAug 31 19:39
ThistleWebgovts switching to odt would be a great thingAug 31 19:41
gnufreexWe need to advocate OpenOffice and GIMP on Windows forums :-)Aug 31 19:41
gnufreexAutoCAD is problem...Aug 31 19:41
ThistleWeband ditching any office apps that cant do it right, which means MS officeAug 31 19:41
MinceRare you sure it's a good idea to tell winblows users that "hey, we've got a gratis winblows and office clone for you, it sort of does everything the same way as what you're used to, except it's a few versions behind and might lose compatibility any time. it will be great!"?Aug 31 19:41
ThistleWebwhen govts do it, any corps who wanna communicate with them must also followAug 31 19:41
ThistleWebwell, it's better than "hey very little of your stuff will work here"Aug 31 19:42
ThistleWebthe purity model of debian or fedora is great, except joe mainstream is used to stuff like flash, mp3, opeing a doc fileAug 31 19:43
ThistleWebif you choose to be an island and not do them, or make it hard for people to do them, they see yours as brokenAug 31 19:44
MinceRthat's why those things should be provided as an optional repo and it must be made sure that nothing depends on such thingsAug 31 19:44
MinceRhandling stuff that comes from outside is one thing, building your system around them is anotherAug 31 19:45
gnufreexThistleWeb: I am not against having Flash and other crap. I just want them not to be on default install.Aug 31 19:45
gnufreexI am not even against Mono.Aug 31 19:45
MinceRi don't mind if mono is provided in such an optional repoAug 31 19:45
gnufreexI just don't want Linux expirience to depend on it in any way.Aug 31 19:45
MinceRbut i do mind if the gnu/linux desktop is built on itAug 31 19:45
MinceRand i'd mind even more if more core things (like the kernel) would start depending on itAug 31 19:45
ThistleWebas much as we care about the why of stuff, most users dontAug 31 19:46
MinceRand you can be sure that the monomaniacs will try attacking such partsAug 31 19:46
MinceRthat's why most users put themselves and us in dangerAug 31 19:46
gnufreexThistleWeb: That is entire point. Because users are clueless we should give up?Aug 31 19:46
MinceRremember, most users pay the m$ tax without even thinking about itAug 31 19:46
MinceRso we should too?Aug 31 19:46
gnufreexThose clueless usesrs will give up on Linux when Microsoft sues.Aug 31 19:46
MinceRjust give up and use winblows?Aug 31 19:47
ThistleWebone answer is to be more compatible, so the switch isn't as painful for new usersAug 31 19:48
gnufreexThistleWeb: Do you think Mono will bring the compatibility?Aug 31 19:48
gnufreexThey droped that ideaAug 31 19:48
gnufreex.NET apps don't work on Mono without fixing code.Aug 31 19:49
ThistleWebit will let you run some .net stuff in linuxAug 31 19:49
gnufreexUnless is trivial app.Aug 31 19:49
gnufreexIt won't let you run .NET anything.Aug 31 19:49
ThistleWebwhich means some users who have little apps for their companies written in .net by some ex employee and have no way to do it any other wayAug 31 19:49
gnufreexIt is not compatible on ABI levelAug 31 19:49
gnufreexJust APIAug 31 19:49
ThistleWebso it does nothing thenAug 31 19:50
gnufreexYou must recompileAug 31 19:50
gnufreexAnd closed source apps...you can'tAug 31 19:50
gnufreexIt is better to rewrite in house apps, most are fairly small.Aug 31 19:51
gnufreexMore cash to consultants lolAug 31 19:51
MinceRit would be better if no effort was wasted on writing mono apps, everAug 31 19:51
MinceRbut noooooAug 31 19:51
ThistleWebI'm saying mono serves a purpose for some people, it may be the vital part of their workflow that stops them switchingAug 31 19:51
ThistleWebI agree that creating new apps in mono is crazyAug 31 19:52
gnufreexI am ok with that, let Mono serve purpose in its niche. But get it off from people's desktops.Aug 31 19:52
ThistleWebI agree that as long as the apps are easily replaced, then fineAug 31 19:52
gnufreexAnd from default installsAug 31 19:52
MinceRyes, mono serves a purpose for some peopleAug 31 19:53
gnufreexThistleWeb: It is already hard to replace because people get used to apps.Aug 31 19:53
MinceRthose people own m$Aug 31 19:53
MinceRand there are many idiots who help m$ even though it won't benefit them, everAug 31 19:53
gnufreexSome Fedora users are still crying for Tomboy.Aug 31 19:53
gnufreexAnd shitting on GnoteAug 31 19:53
ThistleWebpeople chose to code on what they likeAug 31 19:54
MinceRit's often an uninformed decisionAug 31 19:54
MinceRand pushing mono into the core makes them more likely to make that mistakeAug 31 19:54
gnufreexOk, if they chose C#, then they should get Microsoft to put their apps in WindowsAug 31 19:54
gnufreexGet them away from Linux CDAug 31 19:55
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gnufreexschestowitz: What happened... like chanel broke?Aug 31 20:22
schestowitz:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :What's up...Aug 31 20:23
schestowitz:MinceR!~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer PRIVMSG #techrights :the direction opposite that of the gravitational field of the nearest cosmic bodyAug 31 20:24
schestowitz:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :LolAug 31 20:24
schestowitzNot much happenedAug 31 20:24
schestowitzJust rebootedAug 31 20:24
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/why-cheaper-money-wont-me_b_698485.htmlAug 31 20:25
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schestowitz> gnufreex: http://ostatic.com/blog/as-novell-s-woes-continue-red-hat-is-the-beneficiaryAug 31 20:38
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schestowitz> gnufreex; OSTATIC tires to paint Novell as open source company.Aug 31 20:38
schestowitz> gnufreex; "only Novell and Red Hat remain as large, U.S.-based public companies focused primarily on open source software"Aug 31 20:39
schestowitzYeahAug 31 20:39
schestowitzNo news from thisAug 31 20:39
schestowitzThey did this line for a whileAug 31 20:39
schestowitzBut it's not a poisonous site all aroundAug 31 20:39
schestowitzRemember they have zonker on boardAug 31 20:39
schestowitzFrom NovellAug 31 20:39
gnufreexYeah, they has some good articles.Aug 31 20:39
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:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :Yeah, they has some good articles.
:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :They just recently started spining.
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:ThistleWeb!~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb PRIVMSG #techrights :when the MS boosters post comments, replies etc do they go to the effort of changing the fingerprint of their OS / browser to linux?
:MinceR!~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer PRIVMSG #techrights :they might
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:MinceR!~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer PRIVMSG #techrights :of course, it's as simple as using a proxy
:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :They could run Linux in VM
:ThistleWeb!~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb PRIVMSG #techrights :true
:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :I don't know if MS Virtual PC support Linux.
:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :They wouldn't use anything else
:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :lol
:ThistleWeb!~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb PRIVMSG #techrights :I'm looking at a drupal module which displays the posters OS / browser fingerprint
:ThistleWeb!~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb PRIVMSG #techrights :just wondering how easy that'd be to get around
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:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :Novell market cap 1.97B
:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :They are sinking.
:gnufreex!~quassel@77-46-199-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #techrights :They can hardly againg get same offer they refused.
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gnufreexThey just recently started spining.Aug 31 20:40
ThistleWebwhen the MS boosters post comments, replies etc do they go to the effort of changing the fingerprint of their OS / browser to linux?Aug 31 20:40
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gnufreexNobody will give 2BAug 31 20:46
MinceR2B, or not 2B, that is the question.Aug 31 20:48
gnufreexWill it blend. That is the quetion.Aug 31 20:49
gnufreexhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YIAug 31 20:49
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MinceRthey might even have a virtual appliance that runs GNU/Linux and an HTTP proxyAug 31 20:51
MinceRwith a User-Agent replacement ruleAug 31 20:51
gnufreexHeck, they might even use Linux. Dual boot. Or something.Aug 31 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Blogagem Coletiva de repudio ao AI5 Digital – 31/08: Amigos, os adoradores do AI5Digital e da ditadura,  os amante... http://bit.ly/d7xpjnAug 31 20:52
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MinceRcan't let them do thatAug 31 20:52
MinceRthey might get used to the user experienceAug 31 20:53
gnufreexWhy?Aug 31 20:53
ThistleWebI guess, but it will make them have to jump through additional hoops to pass themselves off as linux usersAug 31 20:53
MinceRand things like being able to run many applications at the same time without crashingAug 31 20:53
ThistleWebor just have some MS app to set their fingerprint infoAug 31 20:53
MinceRindeed it willAug 31 20:53
MinceRand i think it's worth doing for that :>Aug 31 20:53
gnufreexSome Linsux idiots use Linux just to bash it.Aug 31 20:54
cubevectoreh?Aug 31 20:55
cubevectorlike who?Aug 31 20:55
gnufreexI read some thread on Linsux, guy tried slacware and makes review. How it is not user friednly (never mind that goal of Slackware is no user firendlines)Aug 31 20:56
cubevectorthey are just punksAug 31 20:56
MinceRthat's giving punks a bad nameAug 31 20:57
gnufreexSame thing as Microsoft boosters. They might use Linux.Aug 31 20:57
cubevectorheheAug 31 20:57
cubevectorwhatever, one of the most reliable computers I ever used was Linux 2.2Aug 31 20:57
cubevectorthat includes every computer I've ever usedAug 31 20:58
cubevectoror rather, a 486 with Linux 2.2 on itAug 31 20:58
cubevector17 years old, still works perfectlyAug 31 20:59
cubevectorsome old timers say VMS had the longest uptimeAug 31 20:59
cubevectorsee, it's stupid to go around being a haterAug 31 21:00
cubevectorfor example, I'd never bother running a winsux siteAug 31 21:00
cubevectorwaste of timeAug 31 21:01
gnufreexThat is what is crazy about Linsux dudes.Aug 31 21:01
cubevectorAROS crashes a lot but I still use it experimentallyAug 31 21:02
cubevectorthe basic idea is goodAug 31 21:02
ThistleWebI found a cool apple theme for drupal, looks real nice but it does scream "apple" which means it's really only suitable for an apple related site, which I'll never waste my time withAug 31 21:02
ThistleWebI guess a satire site would suit it, but I have no interest in doing thatAug 31 21:03
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schestowitzHeheAug 31 21:23
schestowitzI saw some of these recentlyAug 31 21:23
schestowitzI'm installing Linux for peopleAug 31 21:23
gnufreexJust found this http://linsux.org/forum/index.php?/topic/7583-miguel-de-icaza-gives-rms-the-big-fuck-you/page__s__077c316b2416cd1015a5298777e01c6dAug 31 21:23
gnufreexNot even all Linsuxers think Mono is great.Aug 31 21:23
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schestowitzgnufreex: don't feed them yearAug 31 21:25
schestowitzIt only encourages trollsAug 31 21:25
schestowitz /year/hereAug 31 21:25
gnufreexI am not posting there... I am not crazy.Aug 31 21:25
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/47858851#notice-48251504 "@schestowitz Ed Bott's putting lipstick on a pig: http://zd.net/98n1cY"Aug 31 21:25
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schestowitzHeheAug 31 21:25
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schestowitzPR botAug 31 21:26
schestowitzgnufreex: there are certain groups we don't discuss or link toAug 31 21:26
schestowitzBecause they troll the site/IRCAug 31 21:26
gnufreexschestowitz: okAug 31 21:27
schestowitzI hope it makes sense thoughAug 31 21:27
schestowitzyou may have to go back and see whyhAug 31 21:27
schestowitzThey want to attentionAug 31 21:28
schestowitzAnd it invited more of themAug 31 21:28
schestowitzThere are account in Twitter that just constantly harass Techrights... and Groklaw and others.Aug 31 21:28
schestowitzBut you won't see them mention. Trolls deserve their obscurityAug 31 21:28
schestowitz*mentionedAug 31 21:29
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/oracle-webcast-about-btrfs-on-linux-starting-now-828638/Aug 31 21:29
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schestowitzjeremy: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/lq-reputation-system-is-now-in-beta-829543/Aug 31 21:31
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schestowitzhttp://www.workswithu.com/2010/08/24/rethinking-canonicals-ubuntu-business-strategy/Aug 31 21:33
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gnufreexThis Oracle webcast wants my phone number and addres. No way I am telling Oracle where I live. They might sue me.Aug 31 21:33
MinceR:>Aug 31 21:34
schestowitzhttp://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_79Aug 31 21:34
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schestowitzgnufreex: :-)Aug 31 21:35
schestowitzThat's what Dave Rosenberg said about openlogic census after they took Microsoft $$$$Aug 31 21:35
gnufreexschestowitz: I get the idea about not mentioning trolls. But I think this particular group already moved from obscurity and done damage.Aug 31 21:35
schestowitzThey can do more if you drive people thereAug 31 21:36
schestowitzIt's a dead siteAug 31 21:36
schestowitzSo the 'members' moved to infest othersAug 31 21:36
schestowitzLike BN/TR, now UFAug 31 21:36
schestowitzIt's like a leechAug 31 21:36
schestowitzThere are similar trolls is USENET/C.O.L.A.Aug 31 21:36
schestowitzGroklaw kicks them outAug 31 21:37
gnufreexProblem is that UF won't kick them out.Aug 31 21:37
gnufreexThey get endless supply of new trolls from UF.Aug 31 21:38
gnufreexSome of them link to site in signature.Aug 31 21:38
gnufreexon the UF.Aug 31 21:38
gnufreexCrap. Did Oracle killed old Sun accounts?Aug 31 21:40
gnufreexMy doesn't workAug 31 21:40
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gnufreexThey said they will just join SDN to ODN (sun/ oracle developer network)Aug 31 21:41
gnufreexBut I guess they are liarsAug 31 21:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft" - http://bit.ly/cv28d2 oh, so Obama is totally clueless, eh? # ...Aug 31 21:42
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schestowitzHeh. nice to be blocked by your own representatives!!! :-)Aug 31 21:43
schestowitzthat's not Obama comparing copyright to ownership, that's longtime MAFIAA member Biden. Illusion of choice in voting.Aug 31 21:45
schestowitzTwitter has massive lagAug 31 21:46
schestowitzI'll need to change code, I thinkAug 31 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody The Four Freedoms of Free Culture - http://bit.ly/czTa6h no, really #freeculture #freedomAug 31 21:47
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/48257551 "@schestowitz but Obama lets Biden push this line again and again..."Aug 31 21:50
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/47873937#notice-48257631 "@schestowitz It's one reason we badly need electoral reform."Aug 31 21:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Mozilla Developer Network - http://mzl.la/9UXfO6 never mind the developers, somebody find a designer (talk about bling...) ...Aug 31 21:52
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schestowitzI think the Twitter API changes cause issuesAug 31 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Impediment to robust #DigitalEconomy rt @mgeist RT @tradelawyer: Is !Canada "the true telecom backwater"? http://www.ur1.ca/1eif6Aug 31 21:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] HP Palm announces #WebOS 2.0, looks good, but I'm still waiting for Ogg Theora/Vorbis capability, so I can use #patentfree media on it.Aug 31 22:07
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gnufreexWill someone put Oracle BTRFS webcast on You Tube?Aug 31 22:19
schestowitzMaybe.Aug 31 22:20
schestowitzMaybe they'll have em on oracle.comAug 31 22:20
schestowitzStaticAug 31 22:20
schestowitzLike the ones after they bought Sun (I watched those)Aug 31 22:20
gnufreexMaybe Oracle wont let it go on You tube. They have copyright on videos.Aug 31 22:20
sebsebsebSo if a lap top screen is cracked, but still shows stuff on it :)Aug 31 22:21
gnufreexYes, I watched those too.Aug 31 22:21
sebsebsebwell not much can be done with it really I guess?Aug 31 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] آر تي @johnsu01 Sending out the August edition of the Free Software Supporter shortly, subscribe to receive it at http://www.fsf.org/fss ...Aug 31 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Help protect the public from ripoff schools http://ur1.ca/1eimnAug 31 22:22
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sebsebsebOr would reparing the screen cost a lot?Aug 31 22:22
gnufreexsebsebseb: Repairing screen for laptop?Aug 31 22:25
gnufreexsebsebseb: That costs like a new laptopAug 31 22:26
sebsebsebgnufreex: yeah  maybe  for an old Aspire 3000Aug 31 22:26
gnufreexthen it will cost more than that laptop is worthAug 31 22:26
gnufreexIf screan is broken, it needs replacement.Aug 31 22:26
gnufreexNew screen is $300 or moreAug 31 22:27
sebsebsebgnufreex: yeah thats whast I mean,  repariing or   replaceingAug 31 22:27
gnufreexIt is low demand for stadalonce screens, so suppliers charge top buckAug 31 22:28
sebsebsebgnufreex: not much RAM, but  the lap top itself seems alright, my brothers old oneAug 31 22:28
sebsebsebits just the montiorAug 31 22:29
sebsebsebhe wants to buy a new one as a resultAug 31 22:29
sebsebsebnow that he has properly moved outAug 31 22:29
sebsebsebgnufreex: a part of me wants a lap top, but not enough to buy oneAug 31 22:29
sebsebsebfor myselfAug 31 22:29
sebsebseband that one would be perfectyl fine really if it wasn't for the monitorAug 31 22:29
sebsebseband can still use it with the cracks for now,  but yes they showAug 31 22:30
gnufreexWell, call Acer to check price, but don't be suprised if it is more than new laptop.Aug 31 22:30
sebsebsebgnufreex: right yeah, butAug 31 22:33
sebsebsebcan probably put in a normal PC monitor in to it anywayAug 31 22:33
sebsebseband use it like a secondary computerAug 31 22:33
gnufreexYes, you could do that. I have done that for one broken laptop at workAug 31 22:34
sebsebsebgnufreex: I mean with itos current moniror can basically use it still, but  thats bound to fail properly eventuallyAug 31 22:34
schestowitzhttp://lists.bitfolk.com/lurker/message/20100519.112115.7ed60627.en.htmlAug 31 22:34
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schestowitzDamn. THe Twitter aggregator is messed upAug 31 22:35
sebsebsebgnufreex: and I got a even older lap top around here, that  uhmm  I think I could just about use, if I find the stuff for it, or whatever,  6GB RAM, ran XPAug 31 22:35
sebsebsebgnufreex: could do a Linux Live CD even, but would be noisy to bootAug 31 22:35
gnufreexsebsebseb: Toshiba asked 450 euros for new screen, so I put desktop monitor on that computer at work.Aug 31 22:36
sebsebsebgnufreex: yeah shame really that they will charge more to repair the lap top, then a new oneAug 31 22:37
gnufreexThey probably get idea that people will pay if they have important data and wont bother to take out harddrive...  Other will just buy new laptopAug 31 22:38
sebsebsebgnufreex: yeah I guessAug 31 22:38
sebsebsebgnufreex: anyway I am about to try a Mandriva Live CD on that lap top :)Aug 31 22:39
sebsebsebshould boot up quite nice I thinkAug 31 22:39
gnufreexsebsebseb: You might find same exact laptop that has burned mobo or CPU.., and then ask owner to sell you the screenAug 31 22:40
sebsebsebgnufreex: ask owner to sell screen?Aug 31 22:40
sebsebsebgnufreex: you mean can take the screen off and put on yourself?Aug 31 22:40
gnufreexsebsebseb: If you never taken laptop apart, I wouldn't adviseAug 31 22:41
gnufreexBut it is posibleAug 31 22:41
gnufreexI have done itAug 31 22:41
sebsebsebgnufreex: in ##hardware someone asked me if I had taken a lap top apart beforeAug 31 22:41
sebsebsebanyway my Dad knows  about this kind of stuffAug 31 22:41
gnufreexYou have to find exact same laptopAug 31 22:42
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gnufreexIn fact, it dependsAug 31 22:42
sebsebsebgnufreex: its better to just use with a normal screen I guessAug 31 22:43
gnufreexYou can use different model if it is AcerAug 31 22:43
gnufreexBut screen has to be same size, obvioulyAug 31 22:43
sebsebsebgnufreex: anyway if I plug a normal screen in,  the lap top screen will stop working yeah?Aug 31 22:43
sebsebsebI meanAug 31 22:43
sebsebsebwhilst  the other monitor is plugged in?Aug 31 22:43
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gnufreexsebsebseb: You just plug normal monitor, both will work.Aug 31 22:43
gnufreexYou must have DVI, or D-SubAug 31 22:44
sebsebsebgnufreex: I got my old monitor next to me at the moment, which is kind of broken, but sometimes will show stuff ok still I guessAug 31 22:44
gnufreexOn the side of laptopAug 31 22:44
sebsebsebgnufreex: and thers another old monitor around some whereAug 31 22:44
sebsebsebgnufreex: ,but also an old computer for that matterAug 31 22:44
sebsebsebwith more RAM, than this lap topAug 31 22:44
sebsebsebonly 512MB though, and this lap top is 400MB somethingAug 31 22:44
sebsebsebGo back about  two years ago, and I did a course,  did some hardware stuff, that course didn't go well for various reasons.Aug 31 22:45
sebsebsebanywayAug 31 22:45
sebsebsebnow I want to know more  about hardwareAug 31 22:45
sebsebsebit seemsAug 31 22:45
sebsebseba bit more anywayAug 31 22:45
gnufreexsebsebseb: Did you plug it?Aug 31 22:49
sebsebsebgnufreex: Did I plug the lap top in?  yepAug 31 22:49
gnufreexI mean did you plug desktop monitor to laptop?Aug 31 22:50
sebsebsebgnufreex: no not tried yetAug 31 22:50
gnufreexYou don't have to turn it off or anytihing, just locate DVI. It is same as for desktop computer. Then both screns should work.Aug 31 22:51
sebsebsebgnufreex: right, except that lap tops screen doesn't work properlyAug 31 22:51
gnufreex*DVI if you have DVI. Ther is older blue VGAAug 31 22:52
sebsebsebgnufreex: and I am thinking if it is turned off, when another monitor is using the lap top, then that monitor will probably last a bit longer as wellAug 31 22:52
gnufreexWell, laptop screen will continue working not properly :-)Aug 31 22:53
cubevectoragain, don't worry about linsux and what they sayAug 31 22:53
gnufreexDo you have this http://www.avtoolbox.com/images/1t-vga-cattx-rear.jpgAug 31 22:53
cubevectorI knew in the 80's that Stallman was doing goodAug 31 22:53
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gnufreexIt should be on sthe side, or behind.Aug 31 22:54
gnufreexcubevector: I try now to wory, but they spread viral FUD...Aug 31 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] There's no shame in @mpjamesmoore's lack of technical expertise. The problem is his inability to listen to those who do know. !canadaAug 31 22:57
cubevectorstallman does a lot of non english presentationsAug 31 22:59
schestowitzFrench briefly and SpanshAug 31 22:59
schestowitz*ishAug 31 22:59
schestowitzSpanish-ish :-)Aug 31 22:59
cubevectorhis spanish seems quite goodAug 31 23:02
schestowitzKDE Releases 4.5.1 http://dot.kde.org/2010/08/31/kde-releases-451Aug 31 23:07
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sebsebsebgnufreex: I think the fan isn't working as well as it shouldAug 31 23:08
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schestowitzgnufreex: got an identica account?Aug 31 23:11
gnufreexschestowitz: noAug 31 23:11
gnufreexWhy..?Aug 31 23:12
MinceRgnAug 31 23:17
schestowitzgnufreex: I am getting rid of TRT (Twitter)Aug 31 23:17
schestowitzWe'll be an identica-only channelAug 31 23:17
schestowitzMaybe long overdue anywayAug 31 23:17
gnufreexWhy?Aug 31 23:18
schestowitzI will also ensure we get more FOSS stories hereAug 31 23:18
schestowitzgnufreex: cause Twitter moved toi oauthAug 31 23:18
gnufreexThat's collAug 31 23:18
schestowitzAnd I'd need to code a program in Perl to make the code compatible with TwitterAug 31 23:18
schestowitzgnufreex: I'll consult with you who's addedAug 31 23:18
schestowitzI'm adding glynmoodyAug 31 23:19
schestowitzHe's always right on most issues wrt our stanceAug 31 23:19
gnufreexI think he is okAug 31 23:19
schestowitzMichael Geist outAug 31 23:19
schestowitzHe's just ACTA and DSL/copyrughtAug 31 23:19
gnufreexI didn't even know himAug 31 23:20
schestowitztechdirt out, no identica account that's activeAug 31 23:20
gnufreexTechdirt is interesting.Aug 31 23:20
schestowitzsjvn not on identica eitherAug 31 23:20
gnufreexsvjn ... we won't miss his articles :DAug 31 23:21
gnufreexEl Reg has some good articles. TPM mostlylAug 31 23:21
gnufreex*mostlyAug 31 23:22
gnufreexBut Mac Asay is there too.Aug 31 23:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] #Twitter #oauth change broke #Tweed, the best Twitter app for #palmpreAug 31 23:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Investigation of corruption grounds for dismissal http://ur1.ca/1eizlAug 31 23:22
schestowitzI'll see if Reg is on identicAug 31 23:22
schestowitzI'm tossing Microsoft FlorianAug 31 23:23
gnufreextossing out?Aug 31 23:23
schestowitzHe never belonged here other than for entertainmentAug 31 23:23
schestowitzgnufreex: from the syndicationAug 31 23:23
schestowitzFFII mailed the mailing list about him todayAug 31 23:24
schestowitzEurope is getting tired of this .NET fanboyAug 31 23:24
gnufreexYes. I think we have enough prof against Floyd, that he is MS shilAug 31 23:24
schestowitzwikileaks  doesn't update much in identicaAug 31 23:24
gnufreexMost proofs are on his blogAug 31 23:25
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goblinhi allAug 31 23:25
gnufreexHi goblinAug 31 23:25
sebsebsebwell that was fun booting up MandrivaAug 31 23:25
sebsebsebon that old lap topAug 31 23:25
sebsebsebfrom Live CDAug 31 23:26
schestowitzJan Wildeboer addedAug 31 23:26
schestowitzHi, goblinAug 31 23:26
goblin:)Aug 31 23:26
schestowitzWe're moving everything to identica right nowAug 31 23:26
goblinthere now mostly...Aug 31 23:26
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh?Aug 31 23:26
schestowitzTwitter commited suicide with oauthAug 31 23:26
schestowitz*committedAug 31 23:26
sebsebsebschestowitz: what?Aug 31 23:26
goblinits only for the few twitter only friends that I talk with...Aug 31 23:26
schestowitzgoblin: yeah, well, there might not be twitter here again unless I get a twitfolk patchAug 31 23:27
schestowitzThis explains why the whole TRT stitchup here was a mess recently.Aug 31 23:27
goblinIs it needed....Ive been finding identi.ca far betterAug 31 23:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Right! Back....3 days off and a mountain of things to do!Aug 31 23:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] I would tell you what Ive been up to the past 2 days...but I wont.....suffice to say it was a challenging 2 days......Aug 31 23:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Quite a large update for Sabayon....must be updates in the last 2 days.....have I missed much?Aug 31 23:27
goblinand meant to say....Aug 31 23:27
goblinglad to be back.....Aug 31 23:27
goblinits been a challenging two daysAug 31 23:28
gnufreexschestowitz: OSNews has fine article when MPEG LA is involved.Aug 31 23:28
gnufreexThey hate MPEG LAAug 31 23:28
schestowitzI knowAug 31 23:29
schestowitzEugenaAug 31 23:29
goblinfingers crossed....Ive just been meddling with nvidia drivers....Aug 31 23:30
goblinreboot in a few minutesAug 31 23:30
goblinhopefully I'll be back no issues.Aug 31 23:30
goblin.......here goes.....Aug 31 23:31
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_Goblinyay!Aug 31 23:34
_Goblinno issuesAug 31 23:34
schestowitzWhich rig?Aug 31 23:35
_GoblinSabayonAug 31 23:35
_Goblinand the new desktopAug 31 23:35
_Goblinthe AcerAug 31 23:35
_GoblinI didn't need to reset, its merely that I'd worry that next time I boot it might be hosed.Aug 31 23:35
_Goblinso I reboot to know immediately if there is any errors.Aug 31 23:35
sebsebsebgnufreex: seems  a new lap top, isn't much of a priroity for this guy, a new lap top still hasn't been orderedAug 31 23:36
gnufreexschestowitz: I made identi.ca account, same name: gnufreexAug 31 23:37
gnufreexHave to go now, but will be back in few minutesAug 31 23:37
sebsebseb_Goblin: I just been booting upAug 31 23:37
sebsebseb_Goblin: Mandriva on my brothers  not that old about two years I guessAug 31 23:38
sebsebsebAspire 3000Aug 31 23:38
sebsebseb_Goblin: which has a broken screenAug 31 23:38
sebsebsebnot completly broken thoughAug 31 23:38
schestowitzgnufreex: excellentAug 31 23:38
schestowitzAddedAug 31 23:38
schestowitzzoobab seems to only update his twitter account but not identicaAug 31 23:39
cubezzzthere's no ideal laptopAug 31 23:39
cubezzzalmost every laptop ever made has a undocumented ECAug 31 23:39
sebsebsebcubezzz: almost every lap top that has ever been made, has been made to work with that rubbish OS, you know the one I meanAug 31 23:40
_Goblinsebsebseb: Broken as in physically broken?Aug 31 23:40
sebsebseb_Goblin: broken as in looks a bit like this, http://chief.fishbucket.com/crap/myjalope.jpgAug 31 23:40
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cubezzzsebsebseb, sharp zaurus....Aug 31 23:40
cubezzzno windows available for itAug 31 23:40
sebsebseb_Goblin: just  its mainly the secton on the right of the screenAug 31 23:40
cubezzznot really a laptop thoughAug 31 23:40
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sebsebseb_Goblin: he apparantly dropped it when, arguing with our fatherAug 31 23:41
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_GoblinI spoke to a "driver" of sorts today who stated that he hated Microsoft products and refused to use them.....Aug 31 23:41
sebsebseb_Goblin: a Taxi driver?Aug 31 23:41
_Goblinunfortunately he used Apple....Aug 31 23:41
_Goblinsebsebseb: sort of...Aug 31 23:41
sebsebsebyeah people think Apple are so good, but no they are notAug 31 23:41
cubezzzof course notAug 31 23:42
cubezzzyou want something you can modifyAug 31 23:42
*sebsebseb watched a documentery last night, with my mother actsaully who isn't really into computers, about the guy who started IntelAug 31 23:42
_GoblinI have had many emails asking why I don't look at Apple....and want to know why I only look at MS...Aug 31 23:42
_GoblinI think Apple is good....Aug 31 23:42
_Goblinwait for the abuse....Aug 31 23:42
sebsebseband  the guy who people won't normally hear aboutAug 31 23:42
_Goblinbuild up the tension and suspense....Aug 31 23:42
sebsebseb_Goblin: did you go on the link I gave?Aug 31 23:43
sebsebsebApple's hardware looks goodAug 31 23:43
sebsebsebthe software on the other hand wellAug 31 23:43
sebsebseblets seeAug 31 23:43
sebsebsebFreeBSDAug 31 23:43
sebsebsebwith lip stick on itAug 31 23:43
sebsebsebsold to the average ignorant technology consumer, and multimeida people who think they need itAug 31 23:43
_GoblinWhy do I think Apple are good? because its a means in which Microsoft's unhealthy monopoly is chipped away at...Sure Apple have been accused of dodgy practice, but its a means to an end and if Apple can split up MS enough for people to look at alternatives in general, then thats a good thing...Aug 31 23:44
sebsebseb_Goblin: and so yeah the chavs and people like that, have their Macs, and think they are so cool for having oneAug 31 23:44
sebsebsebno Apple and Microsoft have a thingAug 31 23:44
sebsebsebI read beforeAug 31 23:44
sebsebsebwhere basically,  they use each other, so can't be seen 100% as a monoplgy either of htemAug 31 23:44
_Goblinsebsebseb: I don't think its that much of a "thing"Aug 31 23:44
_GoblinApple for me represents a concept....you get people moving to Apple as an alternative to MS, you get people accepting the idea that there is more to life than just MS.  Thats the mindset people need to get out of.Aug 31 23:45
sebsebseb_Goblin: they move to AppleAug 31 23:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lnxwalt140 I think that's what I'll doAug 31 23:46
sebsebseband get evne more locked inAug 31 23:46
_Goblinno really....Aug 31 23:46
sebsebsebthis time round, not just the software, but the hardware as wellAug 31 23:46
_Goblinthey are exposed to the idea of alternatives to MS.Aug 31 23:46
_Goblinonce that happens, they start to get fussy.Aug 31 23:46
sebsebseba propritary alternativeAug 31 23:46
sebsebsebnot open source / free softwareAug 31 23:46
_Goblintrue, but the end user understands not closed/open nor cares.Aug 31 23:47
_GoblinI just sounded like Yoda then.Aug 31 23:47
sebsebsebin a way there should be a security test, before people are  alloweed to use a computer on their own onlineAug 31 23:48
_GoblinlolAug 31 23:48
sebsebsebso they know how to keep Windows reasonably secure, and no I don't mean anti virus or anti spyware and junk like that, I mean properlyAug 31 23:48
gnufreex_Goblin: Apple is most propriatary platfrom there is. Better to stay on Windows then go to Apple.Aug 31 23:48
_Goblina little like a driving test?Aug 31 23:48
sebsebseband yes their are waysAug 31 23:48
sebsebsebno  a computer isn't just a toolAug 31 23:48
sebsebsebits more like a carAug 31 23:48
sebsebsebit needs looking afterAug 31 23:48
sebsebsebits not like a TVAug 31 23:49
_Goblingnufreex: really? and better for the average end user to stay in the mind set that there is no alternative to Windows?Aug 31 23:49
gnufreexTo be able to chose between propriatary software packages is to be able to chose your master. -RMSAug 31 23:49
sebsebseb_Goblin: loads of malware for Windows, because most users, don't know how to use a computer properlyAug 31 23:49
_Goblinsebsebseb: but then even the most vigilant can become victims, US Navy were, so was the UK air force.Aug 31 23:50
sebsebsebWindows is  ok, when its secure enoughAug 31 23:50
sebsebsebwhen the install is I meanAug 31 23:50
sebsebsebsince the OS itself won't be any time soon, it seems, if everAug 31 23:50
_Goblinsebsebseb: and really, should the average end user be expected to maintain the proper protections....Securing windows is not merely the press of a button.Aug 31 23:51
_Goblinsebsebseb: its like buying a car then expecting to further secure the locking system yourself.Aug 31 23:51
sebsebseb_Goblin: user account permissions, and sand boxes,  those are two great ways to keep it more secureAug 31 23:52
sebsebseb_Goblin: and the obvious, don't run admin all the timeAug 31 23:52
_Goblinbut then windows is insecure by so many other routes....Aug 31 23:52
_Goblinnot just the core system...Aug 31 23:52
sebsebsebI meant group permisisons and such, if got a version of WIndows that supports that, but right can't just do that with home verisonsAug 31 23:52
_Goblinthe addons and MS apps are fundamentally flawed too.Aug 31 23:52
sebsebseb_Goblin: which add ons?Aug 31 23:52
_GoblinI say addons in the context of the "apps" included in WindowsAug 31 23:53
sebsebsebWindows is about ignoranceAug 31 23:53
sebsebsebso is Windows securityAug 31 23:53
_Goblinlike Media playerAug 31 23:53
sebsebsebwhat most users don't reolize is that,  once they have the correct malware on there, thats it, the computer is now used by cyber crimianslAug 31 23:53
sebsebsebthey can later remove it, with an anti virus or spyware or whatever program, but to lateAug 31 23:53
sebsebseband so the Windows security industry, sell their anti programs, because of ignorance, and make money, and yeahAug 31 23:54
_Goblinagain though...I don't think the average user can comprehend nor care......they are not interested in the tech, only that it does the job.Aug 31 23:54
sebsebseband when people have malware on their OS install,  they should clean install really,  when its  Intenret connectedAug 31 23:54
sebsebsebits as simple as thatAug 31 23:54
_GoblinIve spoken to people in the past running cracked copies of Windows....Aug 31 23:54
_Goblinhow silly is that?Aug 31 23:54
sebsebseb_Goblin: they should be educated to careAug 31 23:54
_GoblinWindows is insecure enough as it is..Aug 31 23:54
sebsebsebeducated properly about securityAug 31 23:54
_Goblinsebsebseb: you cant force people to have an interest.Aug 31 23:55
sebsebsebnot just you can get viruses, and should have an anti program as a resultAug 31 23:55
sebsebseb_Goblin: no you can't, butAug 31 23:55
_Goblinsebsebseb: Im sure my interests are not enjoyed by everyone here....Aug 31 23:55
sebsebsebwhat does a school do?Aug 31 23:55
sebsebsebit forces people into learning stuffAug 31 23:55
sebsebsebor  well  they try to get them to learn stuff, and the school could teach computer security  more properly, but well most of them  have idiots in the ICT (as we say in UK) departmentAug 31 23:55
_Goblinbut if you start teaching children to secure Windows, is that really sending out a message of choice or just brainwashing them that windows is the only thing to have?Aug 31 23:56
sebsebseband for that matter most schools have idiots, as their IT technitions, it seems, and colleges for that matterAug 31 23:56
_GoblinI think its counter productive...Aug 31 23:56
_Goblinschool computing should be about individual packages not platforms.Aug 31 23:56
sebsebseb_Goblin: I think Windows security should be taught more properly, but also how their are alternative OS's that should be taught as wellAug 31 23:56
sebsebseb_Goblin: you mean like Microsoft Office?Aug 31 23:56
sebsebsebnoAug 31 23:56
sebsebsebschool comptuing should be aboutAug 31 23:57
_GoblinboAug 31 23:57
_GoblinnoAug 31 23:57
sebsebseblearning to do a computer task, with a few programs, ideallyAug 31 23:57
_GoblinI think there should be a diverse teaching of platforms which offer open standards and/or cross platformAug 31 23:57
sebsebsebI think ideally a school should be teaching Windows at the moment, but also Desktop Linux stuffAug 31 23:57
_Goblinthat was it doesn't force anyone down any particular route...Aug 31 23:57
sebsebseband if they can afford Macs, well teach a bit about Macs as wellAug 31 23:58
_Goblinnah....Aug 31 23:58
_GoblinI think the platform should be irrelevant for the time being.Aug 31 23:58
_Goblin(for young students)Aug 31 23:58
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sebsebseband when it comes to Office Suites, they should be teaching Microsoft Office, since how things are at the moment, but also Open Office as an alternative, and maybe some of the other apps as well, like Abiword and suchAug 31 23:58
_Goblinit should all be about basic computing skills which are independant of any platform.Aug 31 23:58
sebsebseband if a course teaches programmingAug 31 23:58
sebsebsebthey should teach something open such as PythonAug 31 23:58
_Goblinagreed there.Aug 31 23:59
sebsebsebinstead of this Micrsooft junk they teach, Visual Basic and such uhAug 31 23:59
sebsebsebin fact yeah for basic level Python, for later on, can do C++ and what notAug 31 23:59
sebsebsebreally ideally they should, only be teaching open stuff, but since how things are,  that won't be the case, for most schools around hereAug 31 23:59

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