08.30.10
Gemini version available ♊︎Mono Project Seems to be Dying (Development Virtually Halted) (Updated)
Update: As raised as a possible explanation by myself in the IRC channel (I was deceived by others), Mono just moved to Git. Nonetheless, news about Mono and Moonlight has been extremely scarce for months, so the project clearly lost a lot of momentum.
Summary: Mono development is nearly non-existent over the past month or so
MONO AND MOONLIGHT begin to show early signs of death. Both Mono and Moonlight are hardly heard from anymore and lack of endorsement from the FSF (the FSF discourages use of C#) could not do much to help, could it? Based on SVN branches [1, 2], either the entire development team at Novell takes a massively long summer vacation or the project is radically de-emphasised. So the question is, what happens to those who depend on Mono in the long term? Novell is up for sale and Miguel de Icaza is busy cleaning their toilets instead of coding or even blogging. The Mono problem was discussed in IRC a short while ago (partial logs below). █
IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: August 30th, 2010
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| justin__ | hey, looks like you guys might be right about mono project being dead | Aug 30 20:34 |
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| justin__ | http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/ | Aug 30 20:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Mono] Index of /trunk .::. Size~: 54.05 KB | Aug 30 20:34 |
| justin__ | notice the dates | Aug 30 20:34 |
| justin__ | no activity on any module for weeks | Aug 30 20:34 |
| gnufreex | I thought Mono uses Git? | Aug 30 20:35 |
| justin__ | looks like svn to me | Aug 30 20:35 |
| justin__ | http://www.mono-project.com/AnonSVN | Aug 30 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: AnonSVN – Mono .::. Size~: 10.11 KB | Aug 30 20:36 |
| gnufreex | I see that there is no activity for years… maybe they switched to Git | Aug 30 20:36 |
| gnufreex | Ah | Aug 30 20:36 |
| gnufreex | Yes | Aug 30 20:36 |
| justin__ | some are only a few weeks of inactivity | Aug 30 20:36 |
| gnufreex | You are right | Aug 30 20:36 |
| gnufreex | Let’s hope it is dead | Aug 30 20:36 |
| gnufreex | Novell is firing people to stay profitable | Aug 30 20:36 |
| justin__ | might explain why there is so little news | Aug 30 20:36 |
| justin__ | about mono/moonlie | Aug 30 20:36 |
| justin__ | yea | Aug 30 20:37 |
| justin__ | they are going to be the next sco | Aug 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Wait | Aug 30 20:37 |
| gnufreex | Mono is just microsoft pet project, no outside contributors. Just Novell and Microsoft | Aug 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I’m catching up here  |
Aug 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | So was there an svn/git confusion? | Aug 30 20:37 |
| gnufreex | And Microsoft is angry on Novell because VMware partnership | Aug 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Or verified freeze? | Aug 30 20:37 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[schestowitz] Comment in the #neckbeard troll http://ur1.ca/1e5jb “It would be better if you would make the wallpaper if you don’t like the default.” | Aug 30 20:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The joke that is Mavericks default wallpaper « all wrongs reserved .::. Size~: 22.64 KB | Aug 30 20:37 |
| justin__ | verified | Aug 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe summer break? | Aug 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Steadfast took some break iirc | Aug 30 20:37 |
| justin__ | http://www.mono-project.com/AnonSVN | Aug 30 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: AnonSVN – Mono .::. Size~: 10.11 KB | Aug 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | and the Microsoft MVP is having a baby | Aug 30 20:38 |
| justin__ | are they the only 2 guys working on mono? | Aug 30 20:38 |
| gnufreex | De Icaza is one. | Aug 30 20:38 |
| schestowitz | No-No | Aug 30 20:38 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 30 20:38 |
| schestowitz | He’s working on other parts of it, I think | Aug 30 20:38 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I was wrong, Mono uses SVN | Aug 30 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Joseph Hill or something leads in a neww | Aug 30 20:39 |
| gnufreex | no git | Aug 30 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Then there are mono trolls | Aug 30 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Like Joseph Shields and some anonymous trolls who bully opposition | Aug 30 20:39 |
| justin__ | do they contribute tho? | Aug 30 20:39 |
| justin__ | or just trolls? | Aug 30 20:39 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: so it’s dying? | Aug 30 20:39 |
| schestowitz | I can recall something about git and mono | Aug 30 20:40 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I hope | Aug 30 20:40 |
| justin__ | seems so | Aug 30 20:40 |
| schestowitz | See Microsoft’s blog (tirania) | Aug 30 20:40 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Mono people wanted to put write Git addons in Mono | Aug 30 20:40 |
| gnufreex | Git# | Aug 30 20:40 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] Diaspora Clarifies: Open Source On September 15, Consumer Alpha In October – http://tcrn.ch/baGXEu good news #diaspora #socialnws | Aug 30 20:40 | |
| gnufreex | But nobody liked that | Aug 30 20:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Diaspora Clarifies: Open Source On September 15, Consumer Alpha In October .::. Size~: 40.36 KB | Aug 30 20:40 |
| gnufreex | They didn’t really use Git, they wanted to kill it. | Aug 30 20:40 |
| MinceR | well, we already have “git, only slower” | Aug 30 20:41 |
| justin__ | like they try to kill everything else | Aug 30 20:41 |
| MinceR | it’s called mercurial | Aug 30 20:41 |
| MinceR | so there’s no demand for git# | Aug 30 20:41 |
| schestowitz | justin__: did you check inside dirs to see they don’t code in another space? | Aug 30 20:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | there’s that guy who wrote git plugins for visual studio | Aug 30 20:41 |
| justin__ | schestowitz: yea | Aug 30 20:41 |
| schestowitz | justin__: what URL to show it best? | Aug 30 20:42 |
| schestowitz | http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/ does not provide compelling proof | Aug 30 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Mono] Index of /trunk .::. Size~: 54.05 KB | Aug 30 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I need a quick URL to validate with readers | Aug 30 20:42 |
| gnufreex | http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/ | Aug 30 20:42 |
| justin__ | hmm | Aug 30 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Mono] Index of / .::. Size~: 4.58 KB | Aug 30 20:42 |
| schestowitz | http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/?sortby=date#dirlist | Aug 30 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Mono] Index of /trunk .::. Size~: 57.3 KB | Aug 30 20:43 |
| justin__ | yea, the toplevel is probably good | Aug 30 20:43 |
| justin__ | or could show http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/mono/ | Aug 30 20:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Mono] Index of /trunk/mono .::. Size~: 22.24 KB | Aug 30 20:43 |
| gnufreex | Microsofties probably don’t contribute anymore because Novell-VMware deal. | Aug 30 20:43 |
| gnufreex | There goes 60% of work force | Aug 30 20:44 |
| justin__ | there was a vmware deal? | Aug 30 20:44 |
| gnufreex | VMware distirbutes SUSE with ESX now | Aug 30 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 30 20:44 |
| justin__ | oh, I missed that | Aug 30 20:44 |
| gnufreex | Microsoft is but hurted | Aug 30 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe vmware will buy novl | Aug 30 20:44 |
| justin__ | maybe all the mono people got fired | Aug 30 20:45 |
| justin__ | probably not de icaza tho | Aug 30 20:45 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 30 20:45 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I hope not. | Aug 30 20:45 |
| schestowitz | But de Icaza cleans bathrooms at Novell now | Aug 30 20:45 |
| gnufreex | I would like Red Hat to buy them. And then Army Man to make De Icaza clean toilets. | Aug 30 20:46 |
| schestowitz | http://abock.org/2010/08/06/real-american-heroes-toilet-trouble | Aug 30 20:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Real American Heroes: Toilet Trouble « Aaron Bockover .::. Size~: 32.54 KB | Aug 30 20:46 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] NIH Orders Halt To Embryonic Stem Cell Research http://bit.ly/a2JKE9 | Aug 30 20:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot Science Story | NIH Orders Halt To Embryonic Stem Cell Research .::. Size~: 50.8 KB | Aug 30 20:46 |
| gnufreex | Hehe. | Aug 30 20:48 |
| gnufreex | What he does in toilet. It has noting to do with Microsoft… oh wait | Aug 30 20:49 |
| gnufreex | I just now got why Bill Gates named compney MicroSoft | Aug 30 20:49 |
| gnufreex | after his weenie | Aug 30 20:49 |
| justin__ | lol, de icaza got demoted to toilet cleaner | Aug 30 20:50 |
| justin__ | haha | Aug 30 20:50 |
| gnufreex | He even look like Microsoftie now. | Aug 30 20:52 |
| gnufreex | He looked less Micrsofotish before. | Aug 30 20:52 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[linuxtoday] How to make a Cosmic Wallpaper in GIMP: Scott Photographics: “This tutorial will hopefully help inspire you to cre… http://bit.ly/bKomuu | Aug 30 20:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Today – How to make a Cosmic Wallpaper in GIMP .::. Size~: 76.63 KB | Aug 30 20:52 |
| cubevector | Microsoft Toilet Paper | Aug 30 20:53 |
| cubevector | it could happen | Aug 30 20:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I wouldnt be surprised if they had staff toilet rolls with logos of like google, or tux on it | Aug 30 20:54 |
| ThistleWeb | on each sheet | Aug 30 20:54 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[glynmoody] In Defense of Links, Part One: Nick Carr, hypertext and delinkification – http://bit.ly/asKV1i debunking of Mr Carr’s crypto-transclusionism | Aug 30 20:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: In Defense of Links, Part One: Nick Carr, hypertext and delinkification — Scott Rosenberg’s Wordyard .::. Size~: 45.07 KB | Aug 30 20:55 |
| justin__ | mono guys are such losers | Aug 30 20:56 |
| justin__ | they should have given up long ago | Aug 30 20:56 |
| justin__ | and not even bothered to try | Aug 30 20:56 |
| justin__ | hopefully now canonical will give up on mono too | Aug 30 20:57 |
| gnufreex | justin__: I had no problem with them writting Mono. I am pissed at Mono because MonoDudes don’t know their place. It is only so we can say every language can run on Linux. It is stupid to write software with it. It is stupid to try and make it default language for GNU / Linux | Aug 30 20:59 |
| gnufreex | ANd they are trying just that. | Aug 30 20:59 |
| gnufreex | They are doing Mono just despite FSF and to piss people they call “zealots” | Aug 30 21:00 |
| gnufreex | And to advance Microsoft agenda, of course. | Aug 30 21:00 |
| gnufreex | Place of Mono is same as place for Wine. Out of default install | Aug 30 21:00 |
| gnufreex | And Wine is not used to write free software. | Aug 30 21:01 |
| justin__ | yea, they totally didn’t know their place | Aug 30 21:01 |
| -TRT/#techrights-[ffii] Who would dare to speak of trolls? http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/paul-allen-is-no-patent-troll/2360 #swpat | Aug 30 21:01 | |
| -TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Hulu: We Know That Hulu Plus Sucks, But It’s Not Our Fault http://dlvr.it/4SkrX | Aug 30 21:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Paul Allen is no patent troll | ZDNet .::. Size~: 144.61 KB | Aug 30 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hulu: We Know That Hulu Plus Sucks, But It’s Not Our Fault | Techdirt .::. Size~: 21.26 KB | Aug 30 21:01 |
| justin__ | gnufreex imo, monodudes were never very intelligent | Aug 30 21:02 |
| justin__ | probably got rejected from every other project | Aug 30 21:02 |
| gnufreex | Well, I think they are inteligent. But they use their brains to help Microsoft. They are not friends of FOSS. | Aug 30 21:03 |
| gnufreex | They got rejected from other projects because they Microsfotish tendencies, They want to make GNU/Linux a cheap clone of Winodws. | Aug 30 21:04 |
| justin__ | yea | Aug 30 21:04 |
| gnufreex | I am not saying all Mono advocates are like that. Just the main ones. And they set other on wrong track. | Aug 30 21:04 |
| gnufreex | *others | Aug 30 21:04 |
| MinceR | de icaza wrote at least one good program | Aug 30 21:05 |
| MinceR | but apparently he’s more interested in serving m$ | Aug 30 21:05 |
| justin__ | mincer: what? | Aug 30 21:05 |
| MinceR | gnumeric | Aug 30 21:05 |
| gnufreex | He wrote Gnumeric? | Aug 30 21:05 |
| justin__ | I get the feeling he didn’t really even write that | Aug 30 21:05 |
| MinceR | he wrote the original version, apparently | Aug 30 21:05 |
| justin__ | probably just took credit for it | Aug 30 21:05 |
| gnufreex | I think Stallman started writing that. | Aug 30 21:05 |
| MinceR | dunno | Aug 30 21:05 |
| MinceR | wikipedia says he’s the original author | Aug 30 21:06 |
| gnufreex | And then some of Emacs crew finished | Aug 30 21:06 |
| justin__ | mono trolls are on wikipedia though | Aug 30 21:06 |
| justin__ | so you can’t trust it | Aug 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | ic | Aug 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | old versions of the changelog are gone from gnumeric.org | Aug 30 21:07 |
| gnufreex | De Icaza didn’t start GNOME either. He only set himself on right place to get credits. If FSF didn’t fund GNOME, it would be nothing. | Aug 30 21:07 |
| gnufreex | Originaly, GNU project tried twice to write LISP GUI. And both times they were distracted by some fork. First XEmacs, then EGGC. Then GNOME was third attempt when non-free KDE took off. | Aug 30 21:09 |
| justin__ | yep | Aug 30 21:09 |
| justin__ | and miguel was just there to steal the credits | Aug 30 21:09 |
| gnufreex | http://stallman.org/articles/xemacs.origin | Aug 30 21:10 |
| MinceR | first commits show no trace of de icaza | Aug 30 21:10 |
| MinceR | http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnumeric/log/?ofs=18150 | Aug 30 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Aug 30 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: gnumeric – The Gnome Office Spreadsheet – Free, Fast, Accurate: Pick any 3! .::. Size~: 17.61 KB | Aug 30 21:10 |
| gnufreex | Here is what Stallman said on XEmacs | Aug 30 21:10 |
| MinceR | wait | Aug 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | [20:50] <justin__> lol, de icaza got demoted to toilet cleaner | Aug 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Novell cut more staff | Aug 30 21:10 |
| MinceR | oh, right | Aug 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Including wardens and cleaners | Aug 30 21:11 |
| schestowitz | So they assigned a contigent | Aug 30 21:11 |
| schestowitz | “The guy who deals with all the ***t” | Aug 30 21:11 |
| gnufreex | rofL | Aug 30 21:11 |
| justin__ | lol | Aug 30 21:11 |
| MinceR | like mono? :> | Aug 30 21:12 |
| justin__ | mono is a 4 letter word | Aug 30 21:13 |
| justin__ | is jono aka jono bacon? | Aug 30 21:14 |
| justin__ | just noticed him in the user list | Aug 30 21:15 |
| justin__ | well, guys it’s been fun but I need to get going | Aug 30 21:16 |
| justin__ | keep on fighting the good fight getting rid of trolls like de icaza and his friends | Aug 30 21:17 |
| justin__ | you guys make the world a better place | Aug 30 21:17 |
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