Join us now at the IRC channel.
| siddo | am I the only one that finds the state of things a bit depressing? | Sep 12 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| _Goblin | schestowitz: In answer to your previous question, I allow Robotron to say whatever simply because I hold freedom of speech on my site as very important... | Sep 12 00:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: FSF responds to Oracle v. Google and the threat of software patents http://www.fsf.org/news/oracle-v-google | Sep 12 00:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Can a Microsoft “stunt” ever go right? & looking at what we know of Mobile 7 http://tinyurl.com/2uajpdb !windows !microsoft !mvpbuzz !apple | Sep 12 00:02 | |
| _Goblin | siddo: probably...Im in a good mood at the moment. | Sep 12 00:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FSF responds to Oracle v. Google and the threat of software patents — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 31.05 KB | Sep 12 00:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Can a Microsoft stunt ever go right? & looking at what we know of Mobile 7 « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 42.59 KB | Sep 12 00:02 |
| _Goblin | siddo: Can't speak for anyone else. | Sep 12 00:02 |
| schestowitz | siddo: depends what you refer to by "things" | Sep 12 00:02 |
| siddo | I have a feeling that the free software world will float off into insignificance very soon | Sep 12 00:02 |
| schestowitz | If you mean Microsoft, then yes | Sep 12 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is depressed | Sep 12 00:02 |
| _Goblin | siddo: I have a feeling Im going for a smoke in a minute. | Sep 12 00:02 |
| siddo | microsoft is on it's way down anyway | Sep 12 00:03 |
| siddo | who cares :-) | Sep 12 00:03 |
| schestowitz | [00:01] <_Goblin> schestowitz: In answer to your previous question, I allow Robotron to say whatever simply because I hold freedom of speech on my site as very important... | Sep 12 00:03 |
| schestowitz | What it it drove away readers? | Sep 12 00:03 |
| schestowitz | As in the case where commenters stopped commenting because of trolls? | Sep 12 00:03 |
| schestowitz | You can then compromise another person's speech | Sep 12 00:03 |
| _Goblin | but then one has to balance that with my own views on freedom.... | Sep 12 00:03 |
| _Goblin | if I judge what is trolling by moderation, what sort of site am I running.... | Sep 12 00:04 |
| _Goblin | how am I accountable for that which I judge? | Sep 12 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loses all the managers | Sep 12 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Except Ballmer, he's like a zombie | Sep 12 00:04 |
| schestowitz | And that's good | Sep 12 00:04 |
| schestowitz | only 9% approve of him | Sep 12 00:04 |
| _Goblin | that many? | Sep 12 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 12 00:05 |
| schestowitz | In a WIndows site | Sep 12 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Poll | Sep 12 00:05 |
| _Goblin | Are you sure those people read the question properly? | Sep 12 00:05 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: sometimes comments jeopardise you | Sep 12 00:05 |
| schestowitz | e.g. if someone slanders someone else in your comments | Sep 12 00:05 |
| schestowitz | there are caselaws about it in the US | Sep 12 00:06 |
| _Goblin | not really...over the years Ive mainly been contacted by email... | Sep 12 00:06 |
| _Goblin | I don't get that many traditional comments, but then look at even the big sites, the comments are not exactly pouring in on every article. | Sep 12 00:06 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: see here: http://techrights.org/2010/08/09/firing-steve-ballmer/ | Sep 12 00:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Steve Ballmer Fails in Tablets; Among Microsoft Windows Proponents, Only 9% Want Ballmer to Stay | Techrights .::. Size~: 111.41 KB | Sep 12 00:06 |
| _Goblin | since day one, I think the ratio of email - comment is about 10-1 | Sep 12 00:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Is today 'anti !gnu troll day' in !ubuntu ? | Sep 12 00:07 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Give me 5 I need to link your article in my latest. | Sep 12 00:08 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: for us IRC - comment ratio is like 20-1 | Sep 12 00:08 |
| _Goblin | Its spot on relevant to what Ive written... | Sep 12 00:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna post daily links | Sep 12 00:08 |
| schestowitz | brb | Sep 12 00:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @ruiseabra Ubuntu Forums got taken over by people who are openly anti-Linux and run sites about it | Sep 12 00:12 | |
| *siddo has quit (Quit: Page closed) | Sep 12 00:13 | |
| _Goblin | sorry about that...there back | Sep 12 00:15 |
| _Goblin | just had to update my article to reflect some xtras. | Sep 12 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I'm back to Digg BTW: http://digg.com/schestowitz | Sep 12 00:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Digg - Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz) - Profile .::. Size~: 41.33 KB | Sep 12 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I left in 2008 | Sep 12 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I have one about the Vista Phone 7 funeral | Sep 12 00:16 |
| schestowitz | They pull an amnesty bin | Sep 12 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Eventually it's Zune/KIN that goes in the coffin. | Sep 12 00:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: Odd description: "!Linux kernel 2.6.0 based GNU operating systems." http://ur1.ca/1l74u | Sep 12 00:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Salix 13.1-rc1 (Live LXDE) review to follow shortly. !linux !foss !salix | Sep 12 00:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Techtree.com India > News > Hardware > Kingston unveils Mini Fun G2 USB Drives .::. Size~: 39.76 KB | Sep 12 00:17 |
| *balrog has quit (Quit: leaving) | Sep 12 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: you must watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb17I-jUSfw | Sep 12 00:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Kid Threatens to Kill My Kid Daily and CA Public School Officials Do Nothing .::. Size~: 125.63 KB | Sep 12 00:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Bad decisions lead to catastrophes http://ur1.ca/1l7q5 | Sep 12 00:32 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: What would you suggest be done? Very difficult when dealing with children.... | Sep 12 00:33 |
| schestowitz | I know... also from hours ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaIzIzxWHWs | Sep 12 00:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Teenage Violence Goes Mainstream: Bus Driver Speaks Out .::. Size~: 125.83 KB | Sep 12 00:34 |
| schestowitz | It's like kids found a loophole | Sep 12 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Menacing | Sep 12 00:34 |
| _Goblin | its difficult.... | Sep 12 00:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @openbytes: Can a Microsoft “stunt” ever go right? http://tinyurl.com/2uajpdb !windows !microsoft !mvpbuzz !apple | Sep 12 00:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Can a Microsoft stunt ever go right? & looking at what we know of Mobile 7 « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 43.32 KB | Sep 12 00:37 |
| _Goblin | unfortunately I think media has a big part in the "blame" | Sep 12 00:37 |
| _Goblin | look at all the rolemodels on TV.... | Sep 12 00:37 |
| _Goblin | look at the promotion of a "criminal life" that seems so easy...its not surprising kids try to get a piece of it. | Sep 12 00:37 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Therese Poletti, not Katherine Egbert | Sep 12 00:38 |
| schestowitz | The latter is the world's stupidest analyst | Sep 12 00:38 |
| _Goblin | according to the link it was Egbert...unless I read it wrong. | Sep 12 00:38 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2007/12/21/katherine-egbert-wrong-again/ | Sep 12 00:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Memo to Katherine Egbert: Time to Call it Quits? | Techrights .::. Size~: 92.41 KB | Sep 12 00:38 |
| schestowitz | [00:37] <_Goblin> look at the promotion of a "criminal life" that seems so easy...its not surprising kids try to get a piece of it. | Sep 12 00:39 |
| schestowitz | it's difficult.... | Sep 12 00:39 |
| _Goblin | ah...I see....Its my lack of comma... | Sep 12 00:39 |
| schestowitz | THey need violent youth | Sep 12 00:39 |
| _Goblin | "Source: Katherine Egbert reported on Market Watch | Sep 12 00:39 |
| schestowitz | That's why they give them America's Army | Sep 12 00:39 |
| _Goblin | should read.... | Sep 12 00:39 |
| _Goblin | Source: Katherine Egbert reported on Market Watch | Sep 12 00:39 |
| schestowitz | They need people to join the army | Sep 12 00:39 |
| schestowitz | And be brutal | Sep 12 00:39 |
| _Goblin | Source: Katherine Egbert, reported on Market Watch. | Sep 12 00:40 |
| _Goblin | meaning Katherine speaking which was reported on Market Watch.... | Sep 12 00:40 |
| _Goblin | I think I'll just clarify...thanks for noticing Roy. | Sep 12 00:40 |
| schestowitz | you misspelled my name, too :-p | Sep 12 00:40 |
| _Goblin | doh.. | Sep 12 00:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB5zBil9A74 | Sep 12 00:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - WTF is Going On With the Police Ticketing Everyone? .::. Size~: 131.36 KB | Sep 12 00:41 |
| _Goblin | sorry...thats rather rude of me | Sep 12 00:41 |
| _Goblin | fixed that too....appologies. | Sep 12 00:41 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: you here still? | Sep 12 00:47 |
| schestowitz | YEah | Sep 12 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Just got distracted by http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcHuArguQGA | Sep 12 00:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Disabled Obama Protester Beaten and Arrested at Alaska State Fair .::. Size~: 130.66 KB | Sep 12 00:50 |
| *Ender2070 (~Brandon@adsl-216-246-226-141.ext.distributel.net) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 00:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 11/9/2010: #Android Statistics, #Motorola MZ600 Linux-powered #Tablet http://ur1.ca/1l7vv !techrights #roundup | Sep 12 00:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 11/9/2010: Android Statistics, Motorola MZ600 Linux-powered Tablet | Techrights .::. Size~: 120.75 KB | Sep 12 00:52 |
| Ender2070 | the funny thing about Fidel Castro | Sep 12 00:54 |
| Ender2070 | Pierre Trudeau supported him | Sep 12 00:54 |
| schestowitz | He says his system failed, unless the US media distorts what he said | Sep 12 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They suffociated him with sanctions, to help prove his system would fail | Sep 12 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Preventing it from spreading in S. America, sometimes by CIA-assisted assassinations too | Sep 12 00:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] decided to finally connect my n900 up and use it as a phone. soon: kde in my pocket :) | Sep 12 01:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] I don't care if I don't live in California, can I vote for Arnold? http://ur1.ca/1l7xi | Sep 12 01:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Arnold Schwarzenegger Mocks Sarah Palin On Twitter .::. Size~: 160.61 KB | Sep 12 01:02 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: have you considered complaining to Twitter about your likeness being used and defaced by another user (Elland_Road) | Sep 12 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Twitter doesn't seem to offer such services | Sep 12 01:04 |
| *Ender2070 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | Sep 12 01:04 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I can give you a link...I tried to complain and report but it appears it can only be done by the person it involves. | Sep 12 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Sep 11 00:03:17 <schestowitz>anomaly for Apple then | Sep 12 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Sep 11 01:01:30 *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 12 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Sep 11 01:03:10 <schestowitz>"Miguel is attacking FFII now" | Sep 12 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Sep 11 01:03:50 <FurnaceBoy>inffiidels! | Sep 12 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Sep 11 01:04:00 <schestowitz>"I dont think Apple is blocking contributions to GCC. They just found a better foundation to contribute to (LLVM)." | Sep 12 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Sep 11 01:04:04 <schestowitz>-Miguel | Sep 12 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Sep 11 01:04:35 <schestowitz>Talking to the goons: "Apple is investing heavily on LLVM, and what I heard at WWDC is that they were not on board with GPL3, so not surprising." http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/24113131846 | Sep 12 01:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / Miguel de Icaza: @directhex Apple is invest ... .::. Size~: 12.37 KB | Sep 12 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Sep 11 01:04:35 <FurnaceBoy>he;s a politician | Sep 12 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Sep 11 01:04:36 <TechrightsBot-sc>Title: Twitter / Miguel de Icaza: @directhex Apple is invest ... .::. Size~: 12.37 KB | Sep 12 01:05 |
| *schestowitz has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 12 01:05 | |
| -NickServ-schestowitz has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Sep 12 01:06 | |
| *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 01:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] yay! marble on my n900! :) | Sep 12 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | <_Goblin> schestowitz: I can give you a link...I tried to complain and report but it appears it can only be done by the person it involves. | Sep 12 01:07 |
| schestowitz | The troll go nuts if people try to silence those whom are stalking/harassing | Sep 12 01:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Relic designer killed saving family in car accident, I have something in my eye http://ur1.ca/1l7z7 | Sep 12 01:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Relic designer killed saving family in car accident- Destructoid .::. Size~: 182.96 KB | Sep 12 01:12 |
| schestowitz | It's a 50-50 thing | Sep 12 01:16 |
| schestowitz | He just picked a side in a split second. | Sep 12 01:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @diablod3 how can they be sure it was his intention? In a split second? | Sep 12 01:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Digging in my garden, trying to chop back some of the weeds that suffocated my veggies. | Sep 12 01:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I just changed channels to see #Stephen_Root as Jimmy James to him as Milton in #Office_Space. The man has serious range as a comedic actor. | Sep 12 01:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Had *so* much work for today but basically never got started. Setting alarm for 05:00. Furious at myself for effectively taking today off. ☹ | Sep 12 01:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] More harm than good http://ur1.ca/1l86b | Sep 12 01:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I initially subscribed to !GNU when I started on identi.ca and quickly unsubscribed because of this, yet I still see it | Sep 12 01:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mono Outperformed by .NET Sometimes, !Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.04 Dumps Novell’s #Banshee http://ur1.ca/1l8bb | Sep 12 01:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mono Outperformed by .NET Sometimes, Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.04 Dumps Novells Banshee | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.12 KB | Sep 12 01:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm I think you mean Ubuntu 10.10, with your above blog entry | Sep 12 01:49 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Its Ubuntu 10.10 netbook edition where it was going to maybe/probably have Banshee by default | Sep 12 01:49 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes | Sep 12 01:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So when you put 10.04 in your blog entry above, you have made a mistake | Sep 12 01:51 |
| schestowitz | Fixed | Sep 12 01:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Last one is 10.10, not 10.04 | Sep 12 01:52 | |
| schestowitz | I wasn't thinking... | Sep 12 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: nice blog entry though | Sep 12 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and i'll agree with that, Mono is like a express version of .NET | Sep 12 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | a starter version | Sep 12 01:54 |
| *bruce89 (~bruce89@109.224.132.14) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 01:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] @schestowitz *shrug* | Sep 12 01:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz Links 11/9/2010: #Android Statistics, #Motorola MZ600 Linux-powered #Tablet http://ur1.ca/1l7vv !techrights #roundup | Sep 12 02:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 11/9/2010: Android Statistics, Motorola MZ600 Linux-powered Tablet | Techrights .::. Size~: 120.75 KB | Sep 12 02:02 |
| *bruce89 has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Sep 12 02:04 | |
| *malacoda (~malacoda@cpe-68-206-255-156.satx.res.rr.com) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 02:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] having milk and water for #suhoor (well, that's after a heavy dinner meal ;) | Sep 12 02:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Almost through the first proof. !edit | Sep 12 02:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] With More Windows Worms and No More XP, Time is Ripe for Installing !GNU !Linux on People's PCs http://ur1.ca/1l8ke busy week ahead | Sep 12 02:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] asks @eightyeight to use a client that knows to respond to the right conversation. | Sep 12 02:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: With More Windows Worms and No More XP, Time is Ripe for Installing GNU/Linux on Peoples PCs | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.11 KB | Sep 12 02:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Herr Hilary brandishes sword of the drug war http://ur1.ca/1l8m4 | Sep 12 02:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] pra quem estiver procurando desktop poderoso pra comprar, recomendo http://ur1.ca/1l8m8 distros 100% livres funcionam 100% | Sep 12 02:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: KaBuM! - Computador SpaceBR AMD AM3 Phenom II X6 1055, 4GB, 1TB, DVDRW, Linux - Série Vênus .::. Size~: 131.46 KB | Sep 12 02:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] detalhe: a placa mãe desse lote é MSI K9N6PGM2-V2, chipset nForce, vídeo GeForce, http://ur1.ca/1l8m8 tá errado | Sep 12 02:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] "Keep the tab open. Let us know when we hit $250, $500, $750, and $1000." -- ke4qqq #tfsawfhi | Sep 12 02:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: KaBuM! - Computador SpaceBR AMD AM3 Phenom II X6 1055, 4GB, 1TB, DVDRW, Linux - Série Vênus .::. Size~: 131.5 KB | Sep 12 02:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Wonder what skills the kids will be taught? You can bet your ass it won't be unbiased proper journalism Phone hacking? http://bit.ly/cQAwRj | Sep 12 02:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: News International plan to sponsor academy school causes concern | Education | The Observer .::. Size~: 75.77 KB | Sep 12 02:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @fujii: @kov eu acho que tem que imprimir o voto pro eleitor ver mesmo! /RD senão continua Orna Eleitrônica http://ur1.ca/1l8vg | Sep 12 03:17 | |
| *mrf has quit (Quit: Page closed) | Sep 12 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @rejon Inkscape: The Inkscape Community Announces 0.48 Release http://ping.fm/9Du0 | Sep 12 03:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @mindspillage If you must commemorate this anniversary, use the day to do something that lessens intercultural hostilities or strengt ... | Sep 12 03:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 303 See Other .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 12 03:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] BP points fingers http://ur1.ca/1l8yz | Sep 12 03:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Wish I had a fitting way to recognize the FDNY, NYPD and other heroes who gave all on 9/11. Words do not suffice. | Sep 12 03:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @pietercolpaert I do almost everything with xmpp. but use it also for the camera (install !fcam) | Sep 12 03:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] BTW, I'm really glad #Moon won #Hugo, although I don't think #Avatar deserved nomination. Maybe that #Star_Trek abomination didn't either. | Sep 12 04:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] #God_bless BitTorrent's magnet links. | Sep 12 04:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] rule of thumb: if you try to do something with libplasma and it doesn't seem to let you, 99.9% of the time: you're doing it wrong. :) | Sep 12 04:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] More Macondo well blow out consequences http://ur1.ca/1l9bn | Sep 12 04:37 | |
| *_Goblin has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) | Sep 12 04:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Thanks to awesome #self guys for buying rounds. So much fun hanging out with the Daves, klaatu, & many other friends to close out #olf | Sep 12 05:17 | |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 12 05:21 | |
| *cubevector has quit (*.net *.split) | Sep 12 05:23 | |
| *WireWulf (~ASTRO-PUN@unaffiliated/wirewulf) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 05:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Looks like both #LABaseball teams won today. #baseball | Sep 12 05:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Typical behavior http://ur1.ca/1l4sw | Sep 12 05:37 | |
| *cubevector (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 05:37 | |
| *Roderick_ (~quassel@openculturefoundation.org) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 05:49 | |
| *Roderick has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) | Sep 12 06:02 | |
| *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (*.net *.split) | Sep 12 06:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @rejon Twin to CCTV http://ping.fm/z6xDh | Sep 12 06:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Discriminatory military policy ruled unconstitutional http://ur1.ca/1la1s | Sep 12 06:37 | |
| *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 07:20 | |
| *amarsh04 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 12 07:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Welcome to the American Action Network http://ur1.ca/1ladd | Sep 12 07:37 | |
| schestowitz | I wonder if there is a transcript of "Episode 22 - Crisis Commons Follow Up, Dell, Gmail and Other Opinions" | Sep 12 08:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why End Users and Developers Need to Shun Apple http://ur1.ca/1lamy #apple #gcc !gnu #gpl #mafiaa | Sep 12 08:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @rahulsundaram how people teach a lesson to dogs in New India: by making the poor, lower castes die like dogs. http://ur1.ca/1kv6y # ... | Sep 12 08:27 | |
| WireWulf | schestowitz, i have decided that unless you can hack it and make it worth useing windos and mac are worthless | Sep 12 08:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Big admission from Castro http://ur1.ca/1l6x3 | Sep 12 08:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] £32,000 a day for council website as 26,000 face job cuts - http://bit.ly/dqikOW what a joke; bring in the open source #uk | Sep 12 08:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Man Who Brought Software Patents to the US “Nicely Demonstrates Why We Shouldn’t Allow *Hardware* Patents Either” http://ur1.ca/1lati | Sep 12 08:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @glynmoody: You also have to pay for maintenance,usually. In that regard the best thing to do is centralization of websites under same mngmt | Sep 12 08:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @glynmoody: we also have that problem in Portugal with websites costing several dozens of thousands and worse: absolute crapware. | Sep 12 08:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Forking is a Feature - http://bit.ly/bBcBwu not a new idea, but good to see it get an airing (via @Joscelyn) #forks #git #linus | Sep 12 08:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tab In My Pocket - http://bit.ly/d8YtIh the (literal) shape of things to come #tablet #samsung #android | Sep 12 08:57 | |
| *Judas_PhD has quit (Quit: This is a quitting message) | Sep 12 08:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Not enough fruits and veggies: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_he_me/us_med_fruitless_america | Sep 12 09:02 | |
| *amarsh04 (~amarsh04@2001:5c0:1400:a::64d) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 09:05 | |
| schestowitz | WireWulf: true | Sep 12 09:07 |
| schestowitz | Depends to whom | Sep 12 09:07 |
| schestowitz | But if developers can't hack on the platform, it'll suck for users | Sep 12 09:07 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz, i meant the everyday brained user of windows | Sep 12 09:08 |
| WireWulf | and/or mac | Sep 12 09:08 |
| WireWulf | i mean i am trying to rebuild win7 useing bits of reactOS | Sep 12 09:09 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are using some wine bits as well. WireWulf | Sep 12 09:21 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, yeah had to fill in some gaps :P | Sep 12 09:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Microsoft, Enemy of Human Rights in Russia? - http://bit.ly/aWHZk3 shocking story from the NYT #microsoft #humanrights #russia | Sep 12 09:22 | |
| oiaohm | Please be aware sections of wine own development is for windows. | Sep 12 09:22 |
| oiaohm | wined3d for one is commonly cross built for windows. WireWulf | Sep 12 09:23 |
| WireWulf | yes i am aware | Sep 12 09:24 |
| *cubevector has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Sep 12 09:24 | |
| *cubevector (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 09:24 | |
| *cubezzz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 09:25 | |
| oiaohm | I have not seen windows developers submitting patches to wine recently that is all WireWulf | Sep 12 09:26 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, i have a feeling M$ maybe hurting somewhere unseen | Sep 12 09:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] ♻ @schestowitz Why End Users and Developers Need to Shun Apple http://ur1.ca/1lamy #apple #gcc !gnu #gpl #mafiaa | Sep 12 09:27 | |
| WireWulf | Crapple | Sep 12 09:27 |
| oiaohm | WireWulf: Microsoft margins are being squeesed. | Sep 12 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Extreamly so. | Sep 12 09:28 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, means win8 maybe worth a damned XD | Sep 12 09:28 |
| WireWulf | ^sad attempted at a joke | Sep 12 09:28 |
| cubevector | given haiku r1 alpha2 a go | Sep 12 09:29 |
| cubevector | giving | Sep 12 09:29 |
| WireWulf | cubevector, haiku is a nice OS | Sep 12 09:29 |
| WireWulf | tho #haiku and its users are heavily anti gpl | Sep 12 09:30 |
| oiaohm | Remember Windows 7 Starter MS basically makes nothing on. | Sep 12 09:30 |
| oiaohm | Then MS is giving away a adverstise funded version of MS Office that does not expire. Ok its crappy with Word and Excel only. | Sep 12 09:30 |
| oiaohm | That is done to stop people going to items like openoffice | Sep 12 09:31 |
| oiaohm | But direct effect is people where the cheep stuff it good enough are not buying product. | Sep 12 09:31 |
| cubevector | oh dear, that didn't work | Sep 12 09:31 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, i prodict one day M$ and Apple will become one company | Sep 12 09:31 |
| cubevector | are they? hmmm | Sep 12 09:31 |
| cubevector | r1a2 wouldn't even boot | Sep 12 09:32 |
| WireWulf | and be A$$ or apple-soft systems | Sep 12 09:32 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know people who are still using Windows 7 starter with the free version of MS Office | Sep 12 09:32 |
| oiaohm | With no plans of moving cubevector | Sep 12 09:32 |
| oiaohm | Infact some of them are running openoffice along side. | Sep 12 09:32 |
| WireWulf | cubevector, i got it to boot | Sep 12 09:33 |
| oiaohm | Really I don't see MS and Apple merging. | Sep 12 09:33 |
| cubevector | WireWulf, I guess it doesn't like my laptop | Sep 12 09:33 |
| oiaohm | Apple has its loyal fans. | Sep 12 09:33 |
| oiaohm | Who are insanely loyal. | Sep 12 09:33 |
| cubevector | bah | Sep 12 09:33 |
| cubevector | it's a crappy platform | Sep 12 09:33 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, they are only loyal as M$ fucked hem | Sep 12 09:34 |
| cubevector | Apple I mean | Sep 12 09:34 |
| oiaohm | Thing the apple fans like are consistant interfaces. | Sep 12 09:34 |
| WireWulf | cubevector, could try bugging #haiku | Sep 12 09:34 |
| oiaohm | MS and Linux really don't give that. | Sep 12 09:34 |
| cubevector | me? | Sep 12 09:34 |
| WireWulf | cubevector, on the boot issue | Sep 12 09:34 |
| cubevector | oh right | Sep 12 09:34 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, there are a good few *ix based with a consistant interface | Sep 12 09:35 |
| oiaohm | Also the other problem is the market for computers is at saturation. | Sep 12 09:35 |
| cubevector | I've tried a lot of OSes of late, and nothing compares to Linux | Sep 12 09:35 |
| WireWulf | cubevector, haiku is pretty good in my book but needs some fine tuning | Sep 12 09:36 |
| WireWulf | *tuneing | Sep 12 09:36 |
| oiaohm | People not moving of XP was a clear sign of the problem. | Sep 12 09:36 |
| WireWulf | XP was better then VISTA | Sep 12 09:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie we have run out people needing computers. | Sep 12 09:36 |
| oiaohm | Even in the time of Vista new computer sales slowed. | Sep 12 09:37 |
| cubevector | people really need to try more than just windows | Sep 12 09:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Rick Spencer: Anything New in #Quickly Widgets for #Maverick? http://goo.gl/ofdD | Sep 12 09:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Forces !Linux Phone Users to Use Bong [sic] Just Like it Forces Linux Users to Buy Windows With a New PC http://ur1.ca/1lba4 | Sep 12 09:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Recession trends in childcare http://ur1.ca/1lbb3 | Sep 12 09:37 | |
| oiaohm | We are seeing the signs of market saturation. | Sep 12 09:37 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, explanes why computer companies switched from the modular design to the old everything on one borad build | Sep 12 09:38 |
| oiaohm | Next step is SOC. WireWulf | Sep 12 09:38 |
| WireWulf | SOC? | Sep 12 09:39 |
| oiaohm | System on Chip WireWulf | Sep 12 09:39 |
| WireWulf | ahh | Sep 12 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically what motherboard just a single IC | Sep 12 09:39 |
| WireWulf | even worse for a progaming rig | Sep 12 09:39 |
| WireWulf | *pro-gameing | Sep 12 09:39 |
| WireWulf | or a upgrader | Sep 12 09:40 |
| oiaohm | Video cards most likely will be the last changeable part. | Sep 12 09:40 |
| oiaohm | To be correct they are developing a GPU socket for Laptops. | Sep 12 09:40 |
| oiaohm | That could be on desktops as well. | Sep 12 09:40 |
| WireWulf | yeah ati will not die soon | Sep 12 09:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie soc video card working along side the GPU chip | Sep 12 09:41 |
| oiaohm | So the ports on the device don't have to change. | Sep 12 09:41 |
| WireWulf | nnice | Sep 12 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Basically CPU will cease to be changable. | Sep 12 09:41 |
| oiaohm | but for gamers and cad operaters GPU have to remain changable. | Sep 12 09:41 |
| WireWulf | i burn CPUs alot thats scary | Sep 12 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Also GPU's are getting able to do more CPU class work as well. | Sep 12 09:42 |
| oiaohm | So not being able to change cpu for performance might be a noop. | Sep 12 09:42 |
| WireWulf | hmm | Sep 12 09:42 |
| WireWulf | i have yet to see a GPU handle Virt | Sep 12 09:43 |
| oiaohm | GPU really don't have to. | Sep 12 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Remember GPU correctly designed cannot do memory allocations themselves. WireWulf | Sep 12 09:47 |
| oiaohm | They have to defer to the CPU to memory manage. WireWulf | Sep 12 09:47 |
| WireWulf | true | Sep 12 09:47 |
| WireWulf | but then you are stuck with a CPU | Sep 12 09:47 |
| oiaohm | So CPU can control Virt sharing. | Sep 12 09:48 |
| oiaohm | CPU that can be in a soc chip WireWulf | Sep 12 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Like arm soc chips by end of year 8 core running at 2.5 ghz. | Sep 12 09:48 |
| oiaohm | That can address upto 1 TB of ram. | Sep 12 09:48 |
| cubevector | what does haiku use for an irc client? | Sep 12 09:49 |
| WireWulf | cubevector, vision | Sep 12 09:50 |
| cubevector | I don't think that's on the livecd | Sep 12 09:50 |
| WireWulf | yeah it is | Sep 12 09:51 |
| WireWulf | click the top of the deakbar | Sep 12 09:52 |
| WireWulf | wait i dont remember what it was under :( | Sep 12 09:52 |
| oiaohm | I don't want to be mean I find haiku people as bad as BSD people when it comes to GPL licenced stuff. | Sep 12 09:53 |
| WireWulf | yeah haiku ppl are fairly hateful to GPL | Sep 12 09:54 |
| oiaohm | What licence is haiku | Sep 12 09:54 |
| WireWulf | MIT | Sep 12 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Great | Sep 12 09:55 |
| oiaohm | They caught it. | Sep 12 09:55 |
| WireWulf | whichs is BSDwith out the advert. stuff | Sep 12 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Sep 12 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Lot of closed source using developers hang around BSD and MIT licenced stuff. | Sep 12 09:56 |
| WireWulf | yup | Sep 12 09:56 |
| oiaohm | They fight tooth and nail to block GPL because it don't allow them to embed in there closed source programs and not give back. | Sep 12 09:56 |
| WireWulf | yup | Sep 12 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Yet the same ones attack GPL projects when they do the same thing. | Sep 12 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie take BSD or MIT and wrap it inside a GPL project. | Sep 12 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes I am a GPL person lot of time. | Sep 12 09:58 |
| oiaohm | I see the logic of GPL and that it works. | Sep 12 09:58 |
| WireWulf | openBSD | Sep 12 09:58 |
| oiaohm | To see the difference you don't have to look much deeper than the BSD and Linux | Sep 12 09:58 |
| *cubehaiku (~cubehaiku@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 09:58 | |
| WireWulf | dual licenings fail | Sep 12 09:58 |
| cubehaiku | hey it worked | Sep 12 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Linux is developing faster than the BSD based. | Sep 12 09:59 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, i do like haiku tho | Sep 12 09:59 |
| cubehaiku | how do you maximum stuff on haiku? | Sep 12 09:59 |
| WireWulf | the button that looks like two windows | Sep 12 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because forks off Linux can be raided for code. Where forks off BSD that came the Unix's we know today never had to give code back. | Sep 12 10:00 |
| cubehaiku | ah I see | Sep 12 10:00 |
| cubehaiku | ok, this isn't too bad | Sep 12 10:00 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, most BSD fans issue with gpl was openBSD | Sep 12 10:00 |
| oiaohm | No WireWulf | Sep 12 10:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of issues around wireless chipset stuff. | Sep 12 10:01 |
| oiaohm | And other drivers the Linux kernel kinda took. | Sep 12 10:01 |
| WireWulf | i have seen them complain time and time again about it tho | Sep 12 10:01 |
| WireWulf | how linux robbed openBSD | Sep 12 10:01 |
| cubehaiku | how did linux rob openBSD? | Sep 12 10:02 |
| oiaohm | Really it did not. | Sep 12 10:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #Microsoft Forces !Linux Phone Users to Use Bong [sic] Just Like it Forces Linux Users to Buy Windows With a New PC http ... | Sep 12 10:02 | |
| oiaohm | Linux took the BSD licensed wireless cards extended on it made it GPL | Sep 12 10:02 |
| oiaohm | And the BSD guys blow there stack because if they wanted the alterations there code base would have to come GPL. | Sep 12 10:02 |
| cubehaiku | heh | Sep 12 10:03 |
| WireWulf | openBSD became partly GPL to get some code back | Sep 12 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Nothing different to what closed source Unix's had been doing for years. | Sep 12 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Except Linux let the BSD guys see. | Sep 12 10:04 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, was a turning point for BSD i think | Sep 12 10:04 |
| WireWulf | i mean i have noticed a slow in BSD useage | Sep 12 10:05 |
| WireWulf | and more linux useage | Sep 12 10:05 |
| cubehaiku | Linux is pretty popular | Sep 12 10:05 |
| oiaohm | The turning point happened years before. WireWulf | Sep 12 10:06 |
| WireWulf | 3rd most used kernel gesktop wise | Sep 12 10:06 |
| cubehaiku | I mean both BSD and Linux appeared approximately at the same time | Sep 12 10:06 |
| oiaohm | GNU for years was spreeding out on the Unix's and BSD | Sep 12 10:06 |
| cubehaiku | now why did Linux progress faster? | Sep 12 10:06 |
| oiaohm | But GNU never had a kenrel. | Sep 12 10:06 |
| oiaohm | Linux landed and grew fast. | Sep 12 10:06 |
| oiaohm | GPL made Linux grow fast. | Sep 12 10:06 |
| cubehaiku | I guess that must be it | Sep 12 10:07 |
| WireWulf | they fail on hurd | Sep 12 10:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody Microsoft, Enemy of Human Rights in Russia? - http://bit.ly/aWHZk3 shocking story from the NYT #microsoft #humanrights #russia | Sep 12 10:07 | |
| cubehaiku | people like the GPL | Sep 12 10:07 |
| oiaohm | You think companies found not giving back to Linux get sued and forced to give back. | Sep 12 10:07 |
| oiaohm | Where BSD nothing can be done. | Sep 12 10:07 |
| cubehaiku | that would imply BSD should have been more popular | Sep 12 10:08 |
| cubehaiku | but it's not | Sep 12 10:08 |
| oiaohm | The being sued for not giving back means companies using GPL have no reason to keep secrets | Sep 12 10:08 |
| cubehaiku | hmmm | Sep 12 10:08 |
| WireWulf | linux is more compadible | Sep 12 10:08 |
| oiaohm | Where companies using BSD internally can keep secerts. | Sep 12 10:08 |
| oiaohm | Not when it started WireWulf | Sep 12 10:08 |
| oiaohm | I was at the Linux start. | Sep 12 10:08 |
| cubehaiku | That Stallman was really thinking ahead | Sep 12 10:08 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, i remember earily slackware | Sep 12 10:09 |
| oiaohm | BSD had many years head start and way more compadbile. | Sep 12 10:09 |
| cubehaiku | ummm | Sep 12 10:09 |
| cubehaiku | not on PCs it didn't | Sep 12 10:09 |
| oiaohm | But since hardware makers using it were not forced to give back most of the BSD drivers were second rate. | Sep 12 10:09 |
| cubehaiku | BSD386 only goes back to about July 1992 | Sep 12 10:09 |
| oiaohm | Compared to early Linuxs on PC hardware BSD was light years ahead. | Sep 12 10:10 |
| oiaohm | That was not the first BSD for 386. cubehaiku | Sep 12 10:10 |
| cubehaiku | oh? | Sep 12 10:10 |
| cubehaiku | what was before BSD386? | Sep 12 10:10 |
| WireWulf | miniX was a funny lil unix distro | Sep 12 10:13 |
| WireWulf | being not unix at all | Sep 12 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Net/2 cubehaiku | Sep 12 10:13 |
| WireWulf | an what systems in earily linux was based on | Sep 12 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Net/2 got it self into legal trouble with AT&T | Sep 12 10:14 |
| oiaohm | But it was the first in the BSD line to support 386 | Sep 12 10:14 |
| cubevector | ok, haiku livecd is too slow :) | Sep 12 10:14 |
| WireWulf | xENIX was BSD i dont know what it supported tho :P | Sep 12 10:14 |
| cubevector | uh, I used Xenix and I don't think it was BSD | Sep 12 10:15 |
| cubevector | it was Microsoft at first, licensed from AT&T | Sep 12 10:16 |
| cubevector | then SCO | Sep 12 10:16 |
| oiaohm | Net/2 And gave birth to 386BSD(lead to freebsd and netbsd directly) and BSD/386( BSD/OS that leads some of the dead Unix's) | Sep 12 10:16 |
| cubevector | didn't know about Net/2 | Sep 12 10:17 |
| WireWulf | i think BSD 4.4 lite kernel lead to openBSD | Sep 12 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Basically if Net/2 did not get into legal trouble the others would not have existed. | Sep 12 10:17 |
| oiaohm | And Net/2 is pre the create of Linux. | Sep 12 10:18 |
| oiaohm | BSD had the head start. | Sep 12 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Destroyed by forking. | Sep 12 10:18 |
| cubevector | I know BSD was older than Linux | Sep 12 10:18 |
| oiaohm | You did not know it was older on 386 than Linux | Sep 12 10:18 |
| cubevector | no | Sep 12 10:18 |
| cubevector | I didn't realize that | Sep 12 10:19 |
| oiaohm | And you did not know that forking of the 386 side if it self lead to it losing to Linux either. | Sep 12 10:19 |
| WireWulf | the hardest to fork branch on unix is now solaris | Sep 12 10:19 |
| WireWulf | :P | Sep 12 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Even that Linux has splinted into 100's of distributions. | Sep 12 10:20 |
| oiaohm | The code is still shared between them. | Sep 12 10:20 |
| WireWulf | yup | Sep 12 10:20 |
| cubevector | ok, so Networking Release 2 goes back to June 1991, about a year early | Sep 12 10:20 |
| oiaohm | There was Net/1 before taht | Sep 12 10:20 |
| cubevector | of course it could have been even earlier, as I know 386's were out in the late 1980's | Sep 12 10:20 |
| cubevector | aha, I just saw that... June 1989 :) | Sep 12 10:21 |
| cubevector | didn't know about that back then | Sep 12 10:21 |
| cubevector | everything seemed to happen in the summertime | Sep 12 10:22 |
| WireWulf | linux was out around 1989 but it was hardly what we know today | Sep 12 10:22 |
| cubevector | ah, I don't think it was out that early | Sep 12 10:23 |
| oiaohm | No Linux first direct created on its first BBS was 1991 | Sep 12 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Linux only comes into existance as of 1991. | Sep 12 10:23 |
| oiaohm | And that early code is really crap. | Sep 12 10:23 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, at the college (linux guys name) was going to he had a basic kernel in 89 | Sep 12 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Linus pre 1991 was working on minux | Sep 12 10:24 |
| WireWulf | lol minux | Sep 12 10:24 |
| WireWulf | *miniX | Sep 12 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Opps typo | Sep 12 10:24 |
| oiaohm | minix | Sep 12 10:24 |
| cubevector | I knew of BSD in the early 1990's but didn't know about Linux until about 1994 | Sep 12 10:25 |
| WireWulf | tho i think there is a minuette called minuX | Sep 12 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Linux first filesystem was from minix | Sep 12 10:25 |
| schestowitz | WireWulf: was he? | Sep 12 10:25 |
| schestowitz | I think he just got inspiration from it | Sep 12 10:25 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz, huh? | Sep 12 10:25 |
| cubevector | what I knew in the late 80's was Xenix then SCO Unix System V | Sep 12 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid to spread the lie that Linux was derived from minix | Sep 12 10:25 |
| cubevector | oh you're talking about that hack writer guy | Sep 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Ken Brown was paid by Microsoft to write it in a book, maybe not directly | Sep 12 10:26 |
| cubevector | right, Brown | Sep 12 10:26 |
| WireWulf | miniX in its mircokernel days wasnt that bad with the correct hardware | Sep 12 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Really Linux comes out of a dispute between Linus and Minix lead developer | Sep 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | The lie lives on and even got to me at some stage (libel which never died0 | Sep 12 10:26 |
| MinceR | minix isn't microkernel any more? | Sep 12 10:26 |
| WireWulf | nope | Sep 12 10:26 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 12 10:27 |
| oiaohm | minix is still mostly mircokernel. | Sep 12 10:27 |
| MinceR | what happened to it? | Sep 12 10:27 |
| WireWulf | miniX v3 is monolithic | Sep 12 10:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Would Have Helped Stalin, Too http://ur1.ca/1lbp7 Microsoft is “enabling tyranny” in #Russia and elsewhere [via @glynmoody ] | Sep 12 10:27 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: geeklings | Sep 12 10:27 |
| cubevector | I gave up on Minix ages ago | Sep 12 10:27 |
| MinceR | sic transit gloria mundi | Sep 12 10:27 |
| cubevector | couldn't get the cdrom to work :) | Sep 12 10:27 |
| cubevector | I'm sure it's better now | Sep 12 10:27 |
| cubevector | this was like Minix on 5.25 disks | Sep 12 10:27 |
| schestowitz | mini-minix.... minix light, with the bloat :-) | Sep 12 10:27 |
| oiaohm | http://www.minix3.org/ minix 3 is still microkernel. WireWulf | Sep 12 10:28 |
| oiaohm | As much as minix ever has been. | Sep 12 10:28 |
| WireWulf | oiaohm, is is a inbetween | Sep 12 10:28 |
| cubevector | I'm kind of surprised Linux beat the BSDs | Sep 12 10:28 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yet you said it's "mostly" microkernel. so what isn't? | Sep 12 10:28 |
| cubevector | it just shows that programmers really do like the GPL | Sep 12 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Windows is still a microsoftkernel | Sep 12 10:28 |
| MinceR | cubevector: they say it had to do with bsd's legal troubles at the time | Sep 12 10:28 |
| oiaohm | memory manager is running in kernel space. A fully microkernel has most of that userspace as well. | Sep 12 10:29 |
| MinceR | but GPL might have had a role in it after all | Sep 12 10:29 |
| cubevector | well, _some_ programmers must have liked the GPL :) | Sep 12 10:29 |
| MinceR | and that GNU/Linux developers weren't afraid to add features and extensions | Sep 12 10:29 |
| oiaohm | WireWulf: really minix is closer to microkernel than any other design. | Sep 12 10:29 |
| MinceR | closer than Mach? :> | Sep 12 10:30 |
| WireWulf | true but they are trying to go backk o monolithic design in some areas | Sep 12 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Mach is a full microkernel | Sep 12 10:30 |
| oiaohm | And nasty slow in placed because of it. | Sep 12 10:30 |
| WireWulf | MINIX 1 and MINIX 3 are related in the same way as Windows 3.1 and Windows XP are: same first name. | Sep 12 10:31 |
| WireWulf | lol | Sep 12 10:31 |
| MinceR | i doubt that winblows xp has no winblows 3.1 code in it | Sep 12 10:31 |
| MinceR | they also share some retarded APIs | Sep 12 10:32 |
| cubevector | I bet it still has CPM-86 code too! | Sep 12 10:32 |
| cubevector | ;-) | Sep 12 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Core kernel running in kernel space of minix is insanely small. | Sep 12 10:32 |
| oiaohm | its under 6000 lines of code. | Sep 12 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Rest is userspace | Sep 12 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Remember you are talking multi million lines of code in kernel space with NT and Linux | Sep 12 10:33 |
| cubevector | Linux has one limitation I really hate | Sep 12 10:33 |
| *Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 10:33 | |
| cubevector | you can't reset the video driver without rebooting | Sep 12 10:33 |
| WireWulf | tho i havent tried current miniX if it wasnt under the BSd licening it may be interesting in a few years | Sep 12 10:33 |
| cubevector | I don't know if any OS can do that though | Sep 12 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 can reset video driver without rebooting. | Sep 12 10:34 |
| WireWulf | plan9 possibly | Sep 12 10:34 |
| oiaohm | It does cause some insane side effects for some applications. | Sep 12 10:34 |
| oiaohm | DRI2/GEM/TTM process is also about getting Linux to that point as well cubevector | Sep 12 10:35 |
| cubevector | ah | Sep 12 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Techically vista could restart video card driver under its self. | Sep 12 10:36 |
| WireWulf | lol | Sep 12 10:36 |
| cubevector | oiaohm, could you kill the video driver and use a serial console? | Sep 12 10:36 |
| cubevector | on linux say | Sep 12 10:36 |
| cubevector | then start it again | Sep 12 10:36 |
| oiaohm | But it was so unstable that more often than not if it did you ended up with a 1 cmx 1cm picture of your screen with vista | Sep 12 10:37 |
| WireWulf | plan9 can hold whatever code is making issues and virt a replacement | Sep 12 10:37 |
| oiaohm | From ssh yes you can kill X11 completely unload the video card driver modules relead them and start over. cubevector | Sep 12 10:37 |
| oiaohm | The trick is doing it without requiring to terminate ever application. | Sep 12 10:37 |
| oiaohm | ever/every | Sep 12 10:37 |
| cubevector | as long as the services kept running it would be OK | Sep 12 10:38 |
| MinceR | xpra might help :> | Sep 12 10:38 |
| cubevector | I'll try it sometime | Sep 12 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Yes services are kept running when you do that cubevector | Sep 12 10:38 |
| oiaohm | As long as the video driver did not panic the kernel. | Sep 12 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia you evil driver writers. | Sep 12 10:38 |
| cubevector | well there's been the odd time that the text console got hosed | Sep 12 10:39 |
| WireWulf | my ati drive have did that before | Sep 12 10:39 |
| cubevector | it would be nice to recover from that | Sep 12 10:39 |
| oiaohm | ssh in can recover that. | Sep 12 10:39 |
| oiaohm | As long as you did build the video card drivers as modules. | Sep 12 10:39 |
| cubevector | radeon is a LKM | Sep 12 10:40 |
| cubevector | but I have never killed the video driver :) | Sep 12 10:40 |
| oiaohm | DRI2 and GEM/TTM backed drivers are less likely to hose it. | Sep 12 10:40 |
| oiaohm | DRI1 and tty switching is the art in voodoo magic. | Sep 12 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Thinking all video card memory mangement with them was done userspace. | Sep 12 10:41 |
| cubevector | ok, but how would one use DRI2 to reset the video driver? | Sep 12 10:41 |
| oiaohm | If You have KMS. Kernel Mode Switching | Sep 12 10:41 |
| oiaohm | You should never have the old lockups from hell cubevector | Sep 12 10:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Jobs with Justice http://ur1.ca/1lbsk | Sep 12 10:42 | |
| oiaohm | Isse was userspace switching of screen output. | Sep 12 10:42 |
| cubevector | I didn't really have a lockup, I had a situation where the screen was garbled | Sep 12 10:42 |
| cubevector | ssh still was working | Sep 12 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes normaly DRI 1 vs tty | Sep 12 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Unload the video drivers reload them problems fixed. | Sep 12 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Issue is undefined state happened at the switch point. | Sep 12 10:43 |
| schestowitz | [10:31] <MinceR> i doubt that winblows xp has no winblows 3.1 code in it <--- like WIndow 3 printer dialog in VIsta? | Sep 12 10:43 |
| schestowitz | I can't seem to find the screeshot right now, maybe it's Win95. http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&q=printer+dialog+in+VIsta+windows+95&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=701 | Sep 12 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Leading to either X11 or tty not understanding what state the video card was in. | Sep 12 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Basically cubevector sooner we are on DRI2 with KMS lot of problems disappear for good. | Sep 12 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Sad part is NVidia does not want todo KMS support. | Sep 12 10:45 |
| cubevector | hmmm, I can't just rmmod radeon, it says it's in use | Sep 12 10:45 |
| WireWulf | nvidia bearly wants to be away from M$ | Sep 12 10:45 |
| cubevector | yeah I dont think VL has kms but I could be wrong | Sep 12 10:47 |
| oiaohm | You have to terminate the things using the driver. cubevector | Sep 12 10:47 |
| cubevector | Linux vector.org 2.6.27.29 | Sep 12 10:47 |
| *malacoda has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 12 10:47 | |
| oiaohm | rmmod does not allow insanity. | Sep 12 10:47 |
| WireWulf | lol | Sep 12 10:47 |
| WireWulf | sure i does | Sep 12 10:47 |
| WireWulf | i am insane | Sep 12 10:48 |
| oiaohm | By defualt it does not. | Sep 12 10:48 |
| oiaohm | rmmod -f will remove it even if it is in use cubevector | Sep 12 10:48 |
| oiaohm | But results can be bad. | Sep 12 10:48 |
| oiaohm | rmmod -w is wiser blocks anything new from using it. | Sep 12 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Then go around terminating the stuff using it. | Sep 12 10:49 |
| cubevector | hmmm | Sep 12 10:49 |
| cubevector | it just says it's being used by drm | Sep 12 10:49 |
| cubevector | but I can't remove drm either | Sep 12 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Because that will be in use. | Sep 12 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Eventonally you will to to a point it can be terminated | Sep 12 10:50 |
| *WireWulf is now known as Wulf-is-not-here | Sep 12 10:51 | |
| oiaohm | drm is where X11 interfaces with it. | Sep 12 10:51 |
| *ohhsjke (5cc277b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.194.119.179) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 10:53 | |
| ohhsjke | hi | Sep 12 10:53 |
| *Judas_PhD has quit (Quit: This is a quitting message) | Sep 12 10:56 | |
| *cubehaiku has quit (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090826]: i've been blurred!) | Sep 12 10:58 | |
| MinceR | chrom{e,ium} is getting even stupider >> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/dcme9/call_me_oldfashioned_but_i_missed_this_so_much_i/ | Sep 12 10:59 |
| *ohhsjke has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | Sep 12 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | "so, google is a kinder, gentler apple?" | Sep 12 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Sep 12 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Really no | Sep 12 11:11 |
| oiaohm | google has been forced to join the main Linux word. | Sep 12 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Android was basically resistance to joining. | Sep 12 11:11 |
| MinceR | i don't think it's over yet | Sep 12 11:14 |
| MinceR | i think the game will get really rough once m$ dies. | Sep 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100902/02402110874.shtml | Sep 12 11:21 |
| schestowitz | "Perhaps Gizmodo received a prototype phone from IV and is hoping for more..." Haha | Sep 12 11:21 |
| *TechrightsBot-tr (~b0t@216.105.40.114) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 11:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! | Sep 12 11:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 37.98 KB | Sep 12 11:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] just found Yahoo's acquired Koprol service. It's a FourSquare-clone from Indonesia. The Dutch/Indonesian name which means somersault, tumble | Sep 12 11:22 | |
| *TRT has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 12 11:22 | |
| *TRIdentica has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 12 11:22 | |
| *TRT (~twitfolk@216.105.40.114) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 11:23 | |
| *TRIdentica (~twitfolk@216.105.40.114) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 11:23 | |
| schestowitz | The "darryl" troll is there too | Sep 12 11:24 |
| schestowitz | Anti-Liux troll | Sep 12 11:24 |
| schestowitz | Banned in some sites | Sep 12 11:24 |
| schestowitz | "Mike Masnik - BS and MBA, all in bs" | Sep 12 11:25 |
| schestowitz | "You make the common mistake of failing to understand the difference between one who is "educated" and one who is "intelligent". Not necessarily the same thing." | Sep 12 11:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/08/adobe_reader_0day/ | Sep 12 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Adobe Reader 0day under active attack • The Register .::. Size~: 26.23 KB | Sep 12 11:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/news/10/2010/338 | Sep 12 11:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Android: World's Number 2 Mobile OS | Muktware .::. Size~: 26.52 KB | Sep 12 11:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Breeding a new generation http://ur1.ca/1lcds | Sep 12 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | Watch Miguel being retweeted by Microsoft Florian: | Sep 12 11:40 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24111941717FOSSpatents: RT @migueldeicaza: Man. So just imagine, C# will end up being the one universal runtime across iPhone, WP7, Android, Nokia. #MindBlown | Sep 12 11:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 12 11:40 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24111941717 "FOSSpatents: RT @migueldeicaza: Man. So just imagine, C# will end up being the one universal runtime across iPhone, WP7, Android, Nokia. #MindBlown" | Sep 12 11:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / Miguel de Icaza: Man. So just imagine, C# ... .::. Size~: 12.42 KB | Sep 12 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Florian develops in .NET | Sep 12 11:41 |
| MinceR | lol, it isn't even a "runtime", it's a language | Sep 12 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Exclusively | Sep 12 11:41 |
| MinceR | i see m$ florian doesn't even try to maintain the appearance of not serving m$ | Sep 12 11:41 |
| schestowitz | He did before | Sep 12 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Not anymore | Sep 12 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Cause we exposed him | Sep 12 11:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 12 11:42 |
| schestowitz | He no longer blogs, either | Sep 12 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Cause nobody links to it | Sep 12 11:42 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24029502051 | Sep 12 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: @ffii Fidel most recently ... .::. Size~: 9.24 KB | Sep 12 11:43 |
| schestowitz | "@ffii Fidel most recently said the Cuban system doesn't work. Such wisdom sets him apart from someone defending the OIN over and over." | Sep 12 11:43 |
| schestowitz | @fosspatents Fidel is reportedly cool with free software http://bit.ly/bxCy36 | Sep 12 11:43 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/24029303614 | Sep 12 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cuba launches its own Linux variant, Fidel reportedly cool with it -- Engadget .::. Size~: 200.58 KB | Sep 12 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FFII e.V.: @fosspatents Fidel is repo ... .::. Size~: 12.3 KB | Sep 12 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Fidel=Moglen | Sep 12 11:43 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24002172231 | Sep 12 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: In Q&A at LinuxCon Fidel M ... .::. Size~: 9.18 KB | Sep 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | "In Q&A at LinuxCon Fidel Moglen called IBM a "continuing friend". Why didn't he just tell the real nature of the relationship?" | Sep 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | What a polite dude | Sep 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24001382300 | Sep 12 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: Fidel Moglen called GPLv3 ... .::. Size~: 9.25 KB | Sep 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | " Fidel Moglen called GPLv3 largely successful http://bit.ly/adH7TX If this is success, I'd like to see what he deems failure. " | Sep 12 11:44 |
| MinceR | i thought he was merely trying to perpetuate the "free software is communism" lie | Sep 12 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Eban Moglen: Current Legal Issues in Defending FOSS | The Linux Foundation Video Site .::. Size~: 52.67 KB | Sep 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24001257912 | Sep 12 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: IBM Foundation released vi ... .::. Size~: 9.25 KB | Sep 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | " IBM Foundation released video of Fidel Moglen's speech praising OIN the week before Oracle sued Google http://bit.ly/adH7TX " | Sep 12 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Eban Moglen: Current Legal Issues in Defending FOSS | The Linux Foundation Video Site .::. Size~: 52.67 KB | Sep 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/23118324222 | Sep 12 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: One way *not* to defeat so ... .::. Size~: 9.26 KB | Sep 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | " One way *not* to defeat software patents is with Fidel Castro-like speeches such as http://tinyvid.tv/show/2xrglw9dap138 " | Sep 12 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 200 Document follows .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he did beforwe | Sep 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | In Techrights at first | Sep 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | In the comments he gave away his idea that Moglen was a commie | Sep 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Then someone in Groklaw linked to it | Sep 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | And even Novell staff has told Florian to stop it | Sep 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Steadfast | Sep 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | http://keionline.org/node/939 | Sep 12 11:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The 18 uses of "at least" in the ACTA text | Knowledge Ecology International .::. Size~: 34.02 KB | Sep 12 11:46 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24118628600 "The register is not only about affiliation. I haven't done any non-exempt work in more than three years. If/when, I'll register." | Sep 12 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: @jwildeboer The register i ... .::. Size~: 9.26 KB | Sep 12 11:47 |
| schestowitz | "non-exempt" from disclosure? | Sep 12 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft activism exempted? (like BillG from tax) | Sep 12 11:48 |
| *kruesephiikz (~kruesephi@c-71-238-75-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 11:49 | |
| *kruesephiikz (~kruesephi@c-71-238-75-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has left #techrights ("Leaving") | Sep 12 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/24150206434 "@FOSSpatents Get a life." | Sep 12 11:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FFII e.V.: @FOSSpatents Get a life. .::. Size~: 12.19 KB | Sep 12 11:53 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 12 11:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII No one gets a medal of honour for winning a flame war. | Sep 12 11:53 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24175627877 " FOSSpatents: RT @migueldeicaza: Article on Java and .NET patents from InfoQ, an informed piece for a change: http://www.infoq.com/articles/java-dotne ... " | Sep 12 11:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / Miguel de Icaza: Article on Java and .NET p ... .::. Size~: 12.45 KB | Sep 12 11:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain; charset=UTF-8 type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 12 11:53 |
| schestowitz | ^^ Florian | Sep 12 11:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] #Microsoft, Enemy of Human Rights in Russia? http://is.gd/f6S9Z | Sep 12 11:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: open...: Microsoft, Enemy of Human Rights in Russia? .::. Size~: 70.09 KB | Sep 12 11:54 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24175848378 "As a soccer fan for about 30 years and Real Madrid sympathizer since 1987, I did care about my favorite club's competitiveness." | Sep 12 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: @jwildeboer As a soccer fa ... .::. Size~: 9.26 KB | Sep 12 11:55 |
| schestowitz | He was a Real MAdris Turfer | Sep 12 11:55 |
| schestowitz | *Madrid | Sep 12 11:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Florian has begun promoting .NET in Twitter (he develops exclusively in .NET). Pretence time is over. Didn't last long... | Sep 12 11:56 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24175902261 "I supported them in the stadium in Munich against Bayern on several occasions, and later in Brussels in one strategic context." | Sep 12 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: @jwildeboer I supported th ... .::. Size~: 9.26 KB | Sep 12 11:56 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24176014495 "I regret to say so but if the @ffii wants to be seen as a competent and principled group, it should restrict access to its Twitter account." | Sep 12 11:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: I regret to say so but if ... .::. Size~: 9.25 KB | Sep 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24183070109 "Rebutted FSF propaganda in detail on @lwnnet. GPL wouldn't protect Google against Oracle patents. http://bit.ly/doYJFW" | Sep 12 12:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: Rebutted FSF propaganda in ... .::. Size~: 9.3 KB | Sep 12 12:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Unfortunately the FSF thinks the GPL end justifies any misleading means [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 59.86 KB | Sep 12 12:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII When you are committed to honesty, you help reduce the level of uncertainty, doubt, and fear. | Sep 12 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | " FOSSpatents: @ffii Since your argument repeatedly comes down to "get a life", I suggest to add that phrase to the next version of Godwin's Law. " | Sep 12 12:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] WIPO dot INT is a misnomer. WIPO does not represent international interests, it's a Westerner's gatekeeper. http://ur1.ca/1lcl5 | Sep 12 12:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property .::. Size~: 102.81 KB | Sep 12 12:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Readers suggest free software - The Post-Standard http://post.ly/x5Zi | Sep 12 12:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Readers suggest free software - The Post-Standard - silner's posterous .::. Size~: 22.3 KB | Sep 12 12:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @StopActaNow: Mexico confirms 11th round of negotiations of ACTA in Tokyo from Sept 23 to October 1st. http://bit.ly/bCTLef | Sep 12 12:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Translate .::. Size~: 0.99 KB | Sep 12 12:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] Les idéologies ont été inventées pour que celui qui ne pense pas puisse donner son opinion (Nicolas Gomez Davila) http://is.gd/f6SYD #owni | Sep 12 12:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] REVIEW: Salix 13.1-rc1 (Live LXDE) http://tinyurl.com/2wwnpee !linux !foss !salix | Sep 12 12:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] So people spend a fortune on office chairs? http://ping.fm/583RZ | Sep 12 12:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @silner a lot of it is proprietary and Windows only. Gratis (short term), not libre. | Sep 12 12:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intellectuels.fr vs culture Internet: l’autre fracture numérique » Article » OWNI, Digital Journalism .::. Size~: 129.04 KB | Sep 12 12:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: REVIEW: Salix 13.1-rc1 (Live LXDE) « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 43.27 KB | Sep 12 12:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Steve Kemp's Blog: So people spend a fortune on office chairs? .::. Size~: 54.6 KB | Sep 12 12:11 |
| schestowitz | " FFII: @fosspatents Don't blame your own weaknesses on others, then you'd enjoy your life more and make good friends. " http://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/24192898782 | Sep 12 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FFII e.V.: @fosspatents Don't blame y ... .::. Size~: 12.28 KB | Sep 12 12:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Libre Graphics World - News: Libre Graphics Magazine 1.1 call for content http://ow.ly/2CWBo | Sep 12 12:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Libre Graphics World - News: Libre Graphics Magazine 1.1 call for content .::. Size~: 14 KB | Sep 12 12:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @silner those chairs are sometimes status symbols, like smartphones | Sep 12 12:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] BBC News - How good software makes us stupid http://ow.ly/2CWF6 | Sep 12 12:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - How good software makes us stupid .::. Size~: 51.82 KB | Sep 12 12:18 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24201160528 " @jwildeboer So you support their long-standing refusal to sign up to the EU lobby register although they engage in non-exempt activities? " | Sep 12 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: @jwildeboer So you support ... .::. Size~: 9.26 KB | Sep 12 12:18 |
| schestowitz | "open standards != RAND http://action.ffii.org/openstandards " | Sep 12 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FFII Workgroup on Open Standards - Action groups .::. Size~: 22.9 KB | Sep 12 12:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Afro-Latin Safe Haven « World Music Central.org http://ow.ly/2CWFV | Sep 12 12:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Afro-Latin Safe Haven « World Music Central.org .::. Size~: 40.27 KB | Sep 12 12:21 |
| oiaohm | I wonder if someone should exploit RAND in the other way. schestowitz | Sep 12 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Create a standard with a requirement to provide source of the implementation. | Sep 12 12:22 |
| oiaohm | That would be valid inside RAND | Sep 12 12:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @schestowitz Yeah, I just thought it was interesting to see people starting to think in terms of not paying for software. (Short term yes) | Sep 12 12:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @BartHanssens: good thing about #oasisopen : anyone can send comments anytime (public review or not) using the list http://bit.ly/2GCUZ0 | Sep 12 12:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @schestowitz I was reading magazines over Weekend & interested to see how early on Maddog saw stressing Gratis wasn't that useful. | Sep 12 12:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Feedback for the OASIS office TC .::. Size~: 14 KB | Sep 12 12:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Am now looking at: Tiny Core Linux 3.1 - An 11mb distro! for OpenBytes !linux !foss !tinycore | Sep 12 12:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @schestowitz He was writing in Linux Magazine I think (UK print publication) | Sep 12 12:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII De Gucht supported that a German citizen has less weight in the EP elections than a Dutch http://bit.ly/deQZg7 #DeGucht #nogood | Sep 12 12:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Create a standard with a requirement to provide source of the implementation. That would be valid inside RAND" --oiaohm | Sep 12 12:33 | |
| *ToXBoT (~toxboi@unaffiliated/toxbot) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 12:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Lightspark 0.4.4.2 released | Technology Temple http://ow.ly/2CWNE | Sep 12 12:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @silner Maddog is awesome. | Sep 12 12:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] TCL 8.5.9 is released and something which I will be looking at shortly. A (cross platform) devkit/language http://tcl.activestate.com/ !tcl | Sep 12 12:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Lightspark 0.4.4.2 released | Technology Temple .::. Size~: 27.05 KB | Sep 12 12:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 200 Data follows .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 12 12:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Dismantling civil rights in America http://ur1.ca/1lcvw | Sep 12 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | Here is an example of "open source" meaning nothing at all. http://logisticsweek.com/news/2010/09/the-freight-summit-macau-hosts-world%E2%80%99s-largest-open-source-freight-forwarding-network-event/ | Sep 12 13:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Freight Summit, Macau hosts world’s largest open source freight forwarding network event | LogisticsWeek .::. Size~: 18.62 KB | Sep 12 13:01 |
| schestowitz | This what happens when news sites use ASP http://www.techeye.net/error.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/software/eu-releases-open-source-digital-archive | Sep 12 13:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 12 13:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] African Traditional Knowledge And Folklore Given IP Protection Despite Warning Of TK Commodification - http://bit.ly/cR89rt is this the way? | Sep 12 13:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Database Error .::. Size~: 0.34 KB | Sep 12 13:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @glynmoody African Traditional Knowledge And Folklore Given IP Protection Despite Warning Of TK Commodification - http://bit.ly/cR89r ... | Sep 12 13:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: locafree .::. Size~: 3.53 KB | Sep 12 13:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/education/so-dawsonnot-eating-your-open-source-dogfood-anymore/4213 | Sep 12 13:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: So, Dawson...not eating your open source dogfood anymore? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 115.39 KB | Sep 12 13:29 |
| schestowitz | pseudo-oss people in zdnet | Sep 12 13:29 |
| *Ender2070 (~Brandon@adsl-216-246-226-141.ext.distributel.net) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 13:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] Watch out KDE! MS now owns Qt by proxy... http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=929 #kde #qt #gnu #microsoft #gnu | Sep 12 13:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Watch out KDE! MS now owns Qt by proxy& | Pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 61.49 KB | Sep 12 13:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/14880 "Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier i" | Sep 12 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Source Report .::. Size~: 53.22 KB | Sep 12 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Qt runs OK on Vista7 | Sep 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Nokia does plasma demos on VIsta7 with multituch (check YouTube) | Sep 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | "Elop currently works for Microsoft, and will officially join Nokia on September 21. Him being from outside Finland is kind of a big deal, and as such, during today's press conference, Jorma Ollia, Chairman of Nokia, emphasized Elop's cultural sensitivity and his awareness of Nokia's special heritage." | Sep 12 13:38 |
| Ender2070 | spin | Sep 12 13:39 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 13:39 |
| Ender2070 | its not because hes from finland | Sep 12 13:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @ender2070 he wasn't at Microsoft for very long. The Microsoft crony who entered HP this year spent 10 times more years at Microsoft. | Sep 12 13:39 | |
| schestowitz | Juniper | Sep 12 13:39 |
| Ender2070 | i think even if you work at microsoft for one day, or WANT to work for microsoft, makes you a tool of theirs | Sep 12 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Well, try digging up damining quotes from Elop | Sep 12 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Quotes that show his fidelity to Microsoft | Sep 12 13:40 |
| schestowitz | I can think of none off the top of my head | Sep 12 13:40 |
| Ender2070 | hes head of their business division | Sep 12 13:40 |
| Ender2070 | thats pretty important | Sep 12 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | you dont put anyone in charge of running that | Sep 12 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Nokia is Microsoft's business division? :-) | Sep 12 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Sep 12 13:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] British security beat refugees http://ur1.ca/1ldav | Sep 12 13:41 | |
| Ender2070 | it could be a business decision to go work for nokia | Sep 12 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | time will tell | Sep 12 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | once nokia switches to winmobile7 and stops updating qt | Sep 12 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Nokia Booklet 3G. http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/08/24/nokia-booklet-3g-mini-laptop-unveiled/ | Sep 12 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nokia Booklet 3G mini laptop unveiled | Nokia Conversations - The official Nokia Blog .::. Size~: 299.44 KB | Sep 12 13:42 |
| schestowitz | "The new Nokia Booklet 3G will be a Windows-based machine, supported by an efficient Intel Atom processor that promises the performance of a full-function PC. It’s efficiency credentials are boldly punctuated with battery life that stretches up to 12 hours (with normal daily use, of course – don’t expect a 12-hour Quake-fest off a single hit of juice)." | Sep 12 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Yay!! | Sep 12 13:42 |
| Ender2070 | whatever he does it will have to be kept on the down low and slow enough not to piss off his employees | Sep 12 13:42 |
| Ender2070 | micorosoft loves filling companies of competing technologies with its former staff | Sep 12 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 12 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | at the very least | Sep 12 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | he will be biased towards them | Sep 12 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | might even set up a novellish partnership | Sep 12 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | never know | Sep 12 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | but time will tell | Sep 12 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | im just warning of the danger, cause I like Qt and KDE | Sep 12 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | good thing Qt is safe | Sep 12 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | but it being safe doesnt mean nokia has to keep it updated | Sep 12 13:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gottabemobile.com/2010/09/08/verizon-bets-big-at-the-crapps-table/ "Also, iOS is built on open source Darwin. Clearly open source does not guarantee consumer openness." | Sep 12 13:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Verizon bets big at the CRAPPS table | GottaBeMobile .::. Size~: 55.46 KB | Sep 12 13:47 |
| schestowitz | It does | Sep 12 13:47 |
| schestowitz | If not exploited | Sep 12 13:47 |
| schestowitz | BSD style | Sep 12 13:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Now and in the future, every time Nokia will screw FOSS (e.g. with its pro-software patents policy), Microsoft Elop will get it | Sep 12 13:48 | |
| schestowitz | Ballmer issued a statement | Sep 12 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Which i rare | Sep 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Which is rare | Sep 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | He said he would continue to collaborate with Elop inside Nokia | Sep 12 13:49 |
| Ender2070 | collaborate eh | Sep 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | He must be choking on his salad out of exciting | Sep 12 13:49 |
| Ender2070 | business partnership | Sep 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is dead in mobile | Sep 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Now its exec runs the biggest mobiles company | Sep 12 13:49 |
| Ender2070 | where is this statement? | Sep 12 13:50 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/09/10/elop-leaves/ | Sep 12 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft President Quits, But is Nokia the Next Victim? | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.72 KB | Sep 12 13:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Steve Ballmer: “look forward to continuing to work with him [Nokia's new CEO, a Microsoft president] in his new role at Nokia.” #nokia #ouch | Sep 12 13:53 | |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Sep 12 13:54 |
| Ender2070 | smoking gun | Sep 12 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer speaks as though Elop never left | Sep 12 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Just relocated | Sep 12 13:54 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Sep 12 13:54 |
| schestowitz | "in his new role " | Sep 12 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Not "in his new company" | Sep 12 13:55 |
| Ender2070 | his new role as their puppet | Sep 12 13:55 |
| schestowitz | That's smarter a move than spending $400,000,000 marketing Vista Phone 7 | Sep 12 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Nokia might not mind | Sep 12 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Whether it's Microsoft or not | Sep 12 13:56 |
| schestowitz | They want $$$ | Sep 12 13:56 |
| Ender2070 | i like how they spun it though | Sep 12 13:56 |
| Ender2070 | 'we wanted him here at nokia because hes from finland' | Sep 12 13:57 |
| schestowitz | There's history there | Sep 12 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Finland is also in Finland | Sep 12 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/06/12/finland-stacked-panels/ http://techrights.org/2009/03/13/finland-microsoft-interference/ | Sep 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Torvalds Home Nation Still Besieged by Microsoft and Its Partners | Techrights .::. Size~: 108.51 KB | Sep 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Finlands Public Sector Moves to Open Standards and Free Software, Microsoft Interferes | Techrights .::. Size~: 98.19 KB | Sep 12 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2008/01/17/finland-gates-finnish-children-shackled/ http://techrights.org/2008/03/12/milan-free-software/ | Sep 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bill Gates Invades the Land of Linus, Uses Dumping Techniques | Techrights .::. Size~: 112.59 KB | Sep 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Quick Mention: Does Milan Pull a Finland? | Techrights .::. Size~: 102.05 KB | Sep 12 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2008/03/05/moox-and-silverlight-finland/ http://techrights.org/2007/10/02/lassi-nirhamo-fired/ | Sep 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nokia and Finland: A Mystery Behind OOXML and Silverlight | Techrights .::. Size~: 111.72 KB | Sep 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Losing Your Job for Opposing a Monopoly Abuser? (Lassi Nirhamo) | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.76 KB | Sep 12 13:57 |
| schestowitz | [last] http://techrights.org/2008/03/08/finland-ooxml-brm-information/http://techrights.org/2008/04/02/the-full-story-about-finland-might-reveal-an-inside-job/ | Sep 12 13:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Full Story About Finland Might Reveal an Inside Job | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.54 KB | Sep 12 13:58 |
| schestowitz | [last] http://techrights.org/2008/03/08/finland-ooxml-brm-information/ http://techrights.org/2008/04/02/the-full-story-about-finland-might-reveal-an-inside-job/ | Sep 12 13:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Suvi Lindén and Finlands Role at the OOXML BRM | Techrights .::. Size~: 103.77 KB | Sep 12 13:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Full Story About Finland Might Reveal an Inside Job | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.54 KB | Sep 12 13:58 |
| Ender2070 | news is interesting this week | Sep 12 13:58 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 13:58 |
| schestowitz | People foolishly assume that cause of Tovalds Finland/Nokia won't be Microsoft's vassal | Sep 12 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Or that because they are Scandinavians criminal companies are off limits | Sep 12 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Here is the interesting thing. Have you ever seen a nokia phone running Microsoft. | Sep 12 14:00 |
| Ender2070 | personally no | Sep 12 14:01 |
| Ender2070 | time will tell if they start popping up | Sep 12 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer presents WIndows 7 (leaked footage): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yg7KL4v1w0&feature=youtu.be&a | Sep 12 14:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - The Ultimate Pisshead! .::. Size~: 113.99 KB | Sep 12 14:01 |
| schestowitz | IDG is now just advertising: http://advice.cio.com/12504/hire_joomla_developer_programmer_india_sufalamtech | Sep 12 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hire Joomla Developer/Programmer India – SufalamTech | CIO - Blogs and Discussion .::. Size~: 77.5 KB | Sep 12 14:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] #html5 bouncy google balls http://is.gd/f6ZmE | Sep 12 14:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: dotty-dots! .::. Size~: 2.35 KB | Sep 12 14:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.break.com/index/why-are-you-closed.html | Sep 12 14:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Why Are You Closed? Video .::. Size~: 81.3 KB | Sep 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz | WTH? | Sep 12 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Digg's front page has posts that are " * Sponsored by IBM" | Sep 12 14:16 |
| schestowitz | As if they insert them like real content | Sep 12 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Funny dealings where they mix it like this | Sep 12 14:17 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 14:17 |
| Ender2070 | IBM aren't bad | Sep 12 14:17 |
| Ender2070 | I'd love working at IBM | Sep 12 14:18 |
| Ender2070 | and Google | Sep 12 14:18 |
| Ender2070 | my top 3 are Redhat, IBM and Google | Sep 12 14:19 |
| Ender2070 | all require a lot of skills upgrades | Sep 12 14:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How GE uses Hadoop to analyze big data http://ur1.ca/1ldmi GE Healthcare also uses !gnu !linux on dev desktops (mandatory) | Sep 12 14:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How GE uses Hadoop to analyze big data | Software, Interrupted - CNET News .::. Size~: 88.61 KB | Sep 12 14:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] There are good public officials, but no "good" lobbyists http://ur1.ca/1ldns http://ur1.ca/1ld49 #redhat | Sep 12 14:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Lobbyist joins Red Hat's team - Technology - NewsObserver.com .::. Size~: 90.99 KB | Sep 12 14:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Red Hat hires lobbyist - Triangle Business Journal .::. Size~: 70.9 KB | Sep 12 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Amazing. Mac Asay defends WIndows monopoly? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/10/monopolies_are_good/ | Sep 12 14:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Every tech market loves a monopoly • The Register .::. Size~: 26.69 KB | Sep 12 14:32 |
| schestowitz | He never heard of open standard, has he? | Sep 12 14:32 |
| schestowitz | monopoly for an _open_ standard is a great thing, monopoly for a product is not. Failed argument there in The Reg. | Sep 12 14:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Beware of google’s pressure tactics http://ping.fm/Lcxcl | Sep 12 14:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Beware of googles pressure tactics « Tristan's World .::. Size~: 10.97 KB | Sep 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.altlinux.com/en/news/item/607/ "v" | Sep 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz give this some attention: http://www.altlinux.com/en/news/item/607/" | Sep 12 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: An open letter to IDC from ALT Linux CEO Alexey Smirnov .::. Size~: 20.37 KB | Sep 12 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Sep 12 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: An open letter to IDC from ALT Linux CEO Alexey Smirnov .::. Size~: 20.37 KB | Sep 12 14:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] ACLU challenges unjustified search and seizure http://ur1.ca/1l6e1 | Sep 12 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | I will write a post about ALT Linux | Sep 12 14:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @pookito I hope not | Sep 12 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | @pookito: "So, now Nokia is trying to screw FOSS? what is happening?" | Sep 12 14:50 |
| schestowitz | People worry in other circles too | Sep 12 14:50 |
| schestowitz | IIRC glyn moody among them.. | Sep 12 14:51 |
| *|circlederp| has quit (Quit: =)) | Sep 12 14:53 | |
| *|circlederp| (khu@83.142.48.67) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 14:54 | |
| *ThistleWeb (~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 14:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mandriva 2010 Spring (Gnome Desktop version) http://ur1.ca/1lduo I'm postponing PCLOS installations one week | Sep 12 14:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Amarok 2.3.2 Beta 1 Review http://ur1.ca/1ldus I personally prefer minirok, a light version/variant of it. !KDE | Sep 12 14:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Irishlight: Mandriva 2010 Spring (Gnome Desktop version) .::. Size~: 56.56 KB | Sep 12 14:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TuxArena: Amarok 2.3.2 Beta 1 Review .::. Size~: 72.19 KB | Sep 12 14:59 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: how's the distro? | Sep 12 15:01 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna install it, the person who wants it waits another week | Sep 12 15:02 |
| ThistleWeb | pclinux? | Sep 12 15:02 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 12 15:02 |
| ThistleWeb | it's gone | Sep 12 15:02 |
| schestowitz | It runs well in live session | Sep 12 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Debian? | Sep 12 15:02 |
| ThistleWeb | funky annoying bugs | Sep 12 15:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I now have debian testing on my P$, and UNR 10.04 on the netbook | Sep 12 15:03 |
| ThistleWeb | both of those I'm happy with so far | Sep 12 15:03 |
| ThistleWeb | P4 even | Sep 12 15:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I found a few annoying things with pclinux, particularly with the NAS | Sep 12 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | having to enter user / pass info 3 or 4 times EVERY time you try to open a shared folder | Sep 12 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | if you close dolphin that is, and reopen it | Sep 12 15:04 |
| ThistleWeb | when you know the user / pass is right, it cant authenticate first time | Sep 12 15:05 |
| ThistleWeb | even then, stuff like vlc or audacious wont play remote files | Sep 12 15:05 |
| ThistleWeb | it cant stream from the NAS | Sep 12 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Hmm.. I might want to install something else then | Sep 12 15:05 |
| ThistleWeb | part of it is that I'm just not used to kde anymore, and there must be some settings somewhere | Sep 12 15:06 |
| ThistleWeb | I just couldnt find them | Sep 12 15:06 |
| ThistleWeb | visually pclinux 2010 is VERY nice, compiz on kde4 is beautiful | Sep 12 15:06 |
| ThistleWeb | the repos seem to have everything I looked for | Sep 12 15:07 |
| ThistleWeb | but the NAS stuff really was hair pullingly annoying | Sep 12 15:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I use pyNeighborhood to connect the NAS, but it even struggled with that | Sep 12 15:07 |
| ThistleWeb | when it did eventually connect with that, dolphin let me stream from the NAS through that mount point | Sep 12 15:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Burner (Fire Edition) - Bring Some Heat To Your Favorite !KDE Media Burner http://ur1.ca/1ldx1 This looks quite nice | Sep 12 15:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Blue Mint: Burner (Fire Edition) - Bring Some Heat To Your Favorite KDE Media Burner .::. Size~: 56.9 KB | Sep 12 15:08 |
| ThistleWeb | but the network tab natuively? forget it | Sep 12 15:08 |
| ThistleWeb | I even tried looking at user / group permissions and tried adding the user into various groups that I thought may help, but still nothing | Sep 12 15:09 |
| ThistleWeb | when you get "..... failed" with no reason why, it's hard to try and work out | Sep 12 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: "N.C. State graduate student Andrew Misenheimer studies at The Garage, a 2,000-square-foot incubator for student entrepreneurs. It was sponsored by Raleigh-based Linux software company Red Hat." | Sep 12 15:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/09/11/674798/ideas-get-greased-at-ncsus-garage.html | Sep 12 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ideas get greased at NCSU's 'Garage' - Technology - NewsObserver.com .::. Size~: 96.87 KB | Sep 12 15:09 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: you're used to kde4, it may be fine for you | Sep 12 15:10 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, I know the issues you refer to | Sep 12 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm used to some of them, so know workarounds | Sep 12 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Like confusing navigation | Sep 12 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm also prompted for passwords to enter my partitions | Sep 12 15:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] RD @gnowgi please read the draft of the declaration and suggest changes http://ur1.ca/1lajz !fsf !gnu | Sep 12 15:11 | |
| ThistleWeb | I got used to mounting the NAS once, then it's available to every app during that session | Sep 12 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DraftDocumentEduconf2010 - Wiki - Hipatia .::. Size~: 21.24 KB | Sep 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: SUSE got me most addicted to KDE | Sep 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I also used KDE in Red Hat, but a mixture really (tasting them all like ice creams) | Sep 12 15:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I dunno if the NAS thing is just something KDE have yet to fix, or whether it's the way they mean to go | Sep 12 15:12 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I rarely start new sessions, I never shut down | Sep 12 15:12 |
| ThistleWeb | I just found it was a HUGE deal breaker in terms of productivity, it's like something that always jumps into your face for no reason | Sep 12 15:12 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: so maybe not a pclos issue but a kde issue (upstream) | Sep 12 15:13 |
| ThistleWeb | probably | Sep 12 15:13 |
| ThistleWeb | mint kde had it too | Sep 12 15:13 |
| ThistleWeb | mandriva didnt even boot for me | Sep 12 15:13 |
| ThistleWeb | oh, plymouth boot on pclinux is beutiful | Sep 12 15:14 |
| ThistleWeb | the bull fading in from grey to solid black | Sep 12 15:14 |
| schestowitz | It worked perfectly from live session for me | Sep 12 15:14 |
| schestowitz | wi-fi included | Sep 12 15:14 |
| schestowitz | So I'll give it a go | Sep 12 15:15 |
| schestowitz | I'll give support to the users | Sep 12 15:15 |
| ThistleWeb | I decided that kde4 + new underlying platform was too much of a change, jumped back to kde4 + familar underlying platform only to get frustrated by mint too | Sep 12 15:16 |
| schestowitz | When I help people install it they then help other install it and so goes the chain | Sep 12 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Goblin does many installs near London | Sep 12 15:16 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm used to xfce, I'm used to certain tools to configure or check stuff, gtk tools or built into xfce. I'm used to those same functions being in EVERY distro, every DE or WM in some form....it's just a matter of finding the equivelant | Sep 12 15:17 |
| ThistleWeb | believe it or not, mint kde 9 does not have kusers installed ootb | Sep 12 15:17 |
| ThistleWeb | hunting around for the users / groups GUI which I assume MUST be somewhere, I'm just not seeing it | Sep 12 15:18 |
| ThistleWeb | when it's not actually installed | Sep 12 15:18 |
| ThistleWeb | apart from the frustrations, I found kde4 was very nice | Sep 12 15:19 |
| ThistleWeb | I liked some of the plasmoids | Sep 12 15:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I have had my android phone a while now. I have not been so concerned about security implications of installing programmes since my MS days | Sep 12 15:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Scheming on carbon trades http://ur1.ca/1le86 | Sep 12 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] second day on Debian Squeeze and all is well, for the first time I can see myself actually using Debian full time | Sep 12 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] With the change in Nokia CEO (an ex-MSFTie is taking over) what would happen to MeeGo etc? http://ur1.ca/1le8c #fb | Sep 12 15:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nokia brings in Microsoft exec to replace CEO| Reuters .::. Size~: 67.21 KB | Sep 12 15:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] What's the best Linux BitTorrent app? http://ur1.ca/1le90 | Sep 12 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] still getting used to su, had mint for over a yr, and ubuntu before that so sudo is the norm (on those two) | Sep 12 15:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: What's the best Linux BitTorrent app? | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 43.33 KB | Sep 12 15:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Wow getting CDT to run on Eclipse/Ubuntu is an amazingly broken process, imho | Sep 12 15:49 | |
| Ender2070 | if microsoft is okay as mac asay says, why not use win7 instead of ubuntu? | Sep 12 15:50 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm guessing "Microsoft" and "Windows" are 2 separate things | Sep 12 15:52 |
| ThistleWeb | one is a peice of software, the other is a company | Sep 12 15:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @mohanpram Deluge is pretty decent, ktorrent too the last time I used KDE. Transmission also works well. Azureus feels way to complex | Sep 12 15:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I really need to wake up and read stuff properly lol, replying to a dent about an article </facepalm> | Sep 12 16:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Scientists successfully activate human telomerase http://ur1.ca/1lecz | Sep 12 16:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. - Cookie absent .::. Size~: 6.58 KB | Sep 12 16:04 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 12 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @thistleweb: yeah I am fan of Transmission and Deluge, they both work well. | Sep 12 16:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 12/9/2010: !KDE Coverage, #Salix Review, Other Free Software/Open Source News Items http://ur1.ca/1leep | Sep 12 16:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 12/9/2010: KDE Coverage, Salix Review, Other Free Software/Open Source News Items | Techrights .::. Size~: 132.63 KB | Sep 12 16:11 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/d0od/statuses/24287504906 "Neat! @conscioususer just mentioned that that @omgubuntu has earned an "alternative name" from Boycott Novell - http://is.gd/f73Tj" | Sep 12 16:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / Joe-Elijah: Neat! @conscioususer just ... .::. Size~: 12.53 KB | Sep 12 16:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mono Outperformed by .NET Sometimes, Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.10 Dumps Novells Banshee | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.29 KB | Sep 12 16:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] 5 people shot dead in an argument over eggs? Some people REALLY need to learn perspective http://bbc.in/9sMw8G | Sep 12 16:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Six dead after US breakfast killing spree in Kentucky .::. Size~: 48.72 KB | Sep 12 16:16 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/conscioususer/statuses/24286846359 "Interesting... @omgubuntu is already considered relevant enough to earn an "alternative name" from Boycott Novell. http://is.gd/f73eR" | Sep 12 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / Conscious User: Interesting... @omgubuntu ... .::. Size~: 9.41 KB | Sep 12 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mono Outperformed by .NET Sometimes, Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.10 Dumps Novells Banshee | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.29 KB | Sep 12 16:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] Tell us (European Commission) what you think about the re-use of public sector information http://is.gd/f76GV @regardscitoyens !fsfe | Sep 12 16:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: UNLEASHING THE POWER OF PUBLIC DATA « Digital Agenda Commissioner Neelie Kroes .::. Size~: 26.43 KB | Sep 12 16:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I'm finally moving on filling out !Conservancy's FY 2009 Form 990. I dislike this more than my own personal IRS filings, which surprises me. | Sep 12 16:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] !listening to Retronauts 98...sad that that awesome podcast is about to end soon. :( http://ur1.ca/1lemj | Sep 12 16:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Retronauts Video Game Podcast .::. Size~: 69.9 KB | Sep 12 16:28 |
| Ender2070 | ThistleWeb - Ubuntu contains proprietary drivers and applications as does Windows | Sep 12 16:30 |
| Ender2070 | whats the difference | Sep 12 16:30 |
| Ender2070 | why not use the one with more support | Sep 12 16:30 |
| Ender2070 | and if you actually give a shit about freedom you wouldn't touch Ubuntu | Sep 12 16:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] For me, if I let my real accent show through, people think I sound like a character from TV's Homicide: Life on the Street or The Wire. #BAL | Sep 12 16:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Preparing welcome ceremony for @fabsh and @th3katy. Involves beer, food, blue sky and bavarian music. | Sep 12 16:31 | |
| schestowitz | [15:52] <ThistleWeb> one is a peice of software, the other is a company | Sep 12 16:31 |
| schestowitz | They are not mutually exclusive | Sep 12 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Windows monopoly ~= Microsoft monopoly | Sep 12 16:32 |
| schestowitz | To punish Microosft, avoid Windows | Sep 12 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Without Microsoft, there's no Windows | Sep 12 16:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] #God_bless tor. | Sep 12 16:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @diablod3] Scientists successfully activate human telomerase http://ur1.ca/1lecz | Sep 12 16:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. - Cookie absent .::. Size~: 6.58 KB | Sep 12 16:34 |
| ThistleWeb | Ender2070: why do you assume a former Mac guy working with Canonical cares about freedom? | Sep 12 16:35 |
| ThistleWeb | does not mean he must automatically choose to use windows | Sep 12 16:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Watching #TheColbertReport, I can exactly see how the US Media shows the US wars as glories. Dear ppl, have a look at what they've caused. | Sep 12 16:36 | |
| ThistleWeb | "what's the difference"? that's a pretty stupid question | Sep 12 16:37 |
| ThistleWeb | we all know linux is different from windows | Sep 12 16:37 |
| *Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 16:38 | |
| ThistleWeb | some people believe in practicalities in the world as it exists, other prefer to live by their principles, even if it means inconvienience or not being able to access some content | Sep 12 16:38 |
| schestowitz | It's a tricky area | Sep 12 16:39 |
| ThistleWeb | ubuntu like others, know that you have to include some stuff or regular windows trained users wont event hink about switching | Sep 12 16:39 |
| schestowitz | There's the danger that Linux will accept too many binaries | Sep 12 16:39 |
| schestowitz | THen the free Linux won't manage to compete with it | Sep 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | GNU had this problem in the 90s | Sep 12 16:40 |
| ThistleWeb | people dont know it's patent restrictions, or licence restrictions, they just see "oh you cant play pm3s? this linux is shit then" | Sep 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | yggdrasil for example | Sep 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: we came a long way though | Sep 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Firefox as enabler of WWW | Sep 12 16:40 |
| ThistleWeb | we have | Sep 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | In Linux | Sep 12 16:40 |
| ThistleWeb | of course | Sep 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | And WebM soon | Sep 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Overriding not just Flah | Sep 12 16:41 |
| schestowitz | also WMP and MPEG-LA | Sep 12 16:41 |
| ThistleWeb | I applaud every step towards open standards and patent free codecs etc, ending of software patents | Sep 12 16:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] British servicemen suspected of murdering Iraqi civilians - http://bit.ly/aNrBSi the moral cancer of Blair's war #iraq #murder #uk | Sep 12 16:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: British servicemen suspected of murdering Iraqi civilians | UK news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 82.12 KB | Sep 12 16:41 |
| ThistleWeb | but right now, you cant use a totally free stack and experience the world as it is, without compromises | Sep 12 16:41 |
| ThistleWeb | there are plenty of distros for those who want to live those principles | Sep 12 16:42 |
| ThistleWeb | and for regular users who have gottent used to facebook, twitter, youtube etc without having a clue about closed or open source, you either make compromises, or lose out | Sep 12 16:43 |
| ThistleWeb | ubuntu have always aimed at the mass market, never at the principled free software crowd, they've never decieved anyone into thinking different | Sep 12 16:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody surely only the most moral and responsible people join "defence" armies | Sep 12 16:44 | |
| schestowitz | Defence is the oldest euphemism for conquest... DOD[efence], MoD[efence]... | Sep 12 16:45 |
| ThistleWeb | yet some people feel it's up to them to "educate" canonical to change ubuntu into something it was never intended to be | Sep 12 16:45 |
| schestowitz | They can explain,as they doi | Sep 12 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Like warn about "dirty" codecs | Sep 12 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Lure people in | Sep 12 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | yes | Sep 12 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Then educate some | Sep 12 16:46 |
| Ender2070 | you cant win by bitching | Sep 12 16:46 |
| schestowitz | That's OK | Sep 12 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm fine with Ubuntu | Sep 12 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | as far as I noticed there is a notice when you install codecs on ubuntu | Sep 12 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | they do make it as easy as possible, which is also fine considering the target audience | Sep 12 16:46 |
| Ender2070 | ubuntu and gnome are turning into windows with the linux kernel | Sep 12 16:47 |
| schestowitz | gnome? | Sep 12 16:47 |
| Ender2070 | if you're that much of a noob, stick with windows | Sep 12 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Some people would say that about KDE | Sep 12 16:47 |
| schestowitz | The GUI... | Sep 12 16:47 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of people will come to ubuntu as their first taste of linux, plenty will stay with it, but plenty more will start to learn more about this linux thing they're using, and get exposed to other distros like fedora | Sep 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Qt x-platform | Sep 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz | It runs o Windows | Sep 12 16:48 |
| ThistleWeb | Ender2070: you're condecension is noted | Sep 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is more like MaKoS | Sep 12 16:48 |
| ThistleWeb | when people see linux users attacking each others choices, what message does it send? | Sep 12 16:48 |
| ThistleWeb | if their exposure to "arch" is a load of snooty gits attacking ubuntu, will they consider arch? | Sep 12 16:49 |
| ThistleWeb | not likely | Sep 12 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and if I end up helping them, I may end up educating them a bit about stuff as well, not just helping them for what they wanted to do :) | Sep 12 16:49 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I think the proper term is arguing | Sep 12 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Unless we pick some shouting match and fight | Sep 12 16:50 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu wants to be mainstreame, and like it or not, apps such as Banshee can hep with this | Sep 12 16:50 |
| ThistleWeb | a lot of PC issues are by people who have no confidence to explore or use their PC, since windows taught them that if it goes wrong its the USERs fault | Sep 12 16:50 |
| sebsebseb | help not hep above, typeo | Sep 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: BAnshee is better than amarok? | Sep 12 16:50 |
| ThistleWeb | anything that helps people start to learn more, get more confidence is a good thing | Sep 12 16:50 |
| ThistleWeb | switching OS's at ALL is a great first step | Sep 12 16:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I never understood the big deal with Amarok, however Amarok is a KDE app, so thats out for Ubuntu | Sep 12 16:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: as a default | Sep 12 16:50 |
| ThistleWeb | it shows that you're not tied to one GUI | Sep 12 16:50 |
| ThistleWeb | ubuntu does at least encourage people to learn about their system to some degree | Sep 12 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: then again Edubuntu is basd on Ubuntu, and even has that KDE educational suite as part of it, Gcompris | Sep 12 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I think it was on their CD | Sep 12 16:51 |
| ThistleWeb | that may lead them onto more learning, it may not, the bottom line is that most people who use PCs just use them | Sep 12 16:51 |
| ThistleWeb | they dont care how it works | Sep 12 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | I think mixing is good, QT and GTK aka Gnome and KDE apps | Sep 12 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Amarok depends on Qt, depends on Nokia, depends on Microsoft president :-) | Sep 12 16:52 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: also yeah like you said earlier basically, some people want to be as free as possible, others don't mind using propritary software or Mono here and there | Sep 12 16:52 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: not consistent though | Sep 12 16:52 |
| schestowitz | And more loaded libraries in RAM | Sep 12 16:52 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and I think most people that want to go rather free software only, will still do Flash, because of how the web is | Sep 12 16:53 |
| ThistleWeb | the more you look down on people and offer snarky comments like "oh, they should just stick to windows" just alienates people and makes them NOT want to use whatever you use, becauyse they don't want to become a dickhead | Sep 12 16:53 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: not many people doing 100% free software | Sep 12 16:53 |
| ThistleWeb | a lot of people have no clue about closed or open until they do switch to linux | Sep 12 16:53 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: indeed | Sep 12 16:53 |
| sebsebseb | Are there any open source drivers for Windows? | Sep 12 16:54 |
| ThistleWeb | then it becomes a talking point on the radar, they see references to it, and the preference for open in forums, blogs etc | Sep 12 16:54 |
| sebsebseb | For example broadcom has now done one for Linux, fully open source, but are there any open source drivers for WIndows? | Sep 12 16:54 |
| ThistleWeb | then it piques their interest | Sep 12 16:54 |
| ThistleWeb | generally I reckon most linux users do prefer free when its good enough | Sep 12 16:54 |
| sebsebseb | I suppouse with Windows and Mac OS X, these companies can get away with closed source drivers, quite nicely indeed, because of the amount of ignorance, from most users, when it comes to this | Sep 12 16:54 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: free as in free software? | Sep 12 16:55 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah of course, I guess in general most Linux users will prefer free software, then they think its good enough for htem | Sep 12 16:55 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm guessing most linux users are pragmatic too, if the free version isnt good enough, then they will use the non-free one | Sep 12 16:55 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: yes | Sep 12 16:55 |
| sebsebseb | them | Sep 12 16:55 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and yeah exactly, if the free software version isn't good enough, they will use the non free, if they want to use whatever it is | Sep 12 16:55 |
| ThistleWeb | they may check back in a yr or so to see if the free version is good enough to switch to | Sep 12 16:56 |
| ThistleWeb | or keep an eye out for it in forum posts, blogs etc | Sep 12 16:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I guess Canonical is like omgubuntu really, they don't really care much or at all what a program is written in, as long as its good for end user useage, and they can put in to Ubuntu legally. | Sep 12 16:56 |
| ThistleWeb | but they wont cut off some functionality, or reduce their PC expeience just because the free one aint as good, or maybe crashes a lot | Sep 12 16:56 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah | Sep 12 16:57 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and loads of these people will go free software version, when it becomes good enough, which is basically what your saying | Sep 12 16:57 |
| sebsebseb | and they will do it gladly as well | Sep 12 16:57 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Sep 12 16:57 |
| ThistleWeb | while in the meantime using linux......ubuntu | Sep 12 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | people want a computer to work | Sep 12 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | for what they want to do on the computer | Sep 12 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | if that means 3D OpenGL games and they have a propritary Nivida card, then yes they would install the propritary driver | Sep 12 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | if that means they want to see Flash on websites, yes they may try Gnash and Swfdec, but if they aren't good enough, or they haven't tried and they think they aren't good enough, they will use Adobe Flash | Sep 12 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | some of us will refuse to use non free software, when we don't have a proper reason to, but most users would, that know about this | Sep 12 16:59 |
| ThistleWeb | for those who take a principled stand like RMS, there are distros for them | Sep 12 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and yeah Canonical is trying to go main strame, and trying to be 100% free software as in like no commercial app/s from the software centre for example, and no easy way to install propritary codecs, won't really help with that | Sep 12 17:00 |
| ThistleWeb | most users are not like them | Sep 12 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | the main streame is Windows and Mac OS X users, and they are used to running closed source software | Sep 12 17:00 |
| ThistleWeb | sadly it's a proprietary world, and most users don't know it | Sep 12 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: indeed | Sep 12 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | also indeed at the RMS comment | Sep 12 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | yes Ubuntu is no longer what I want personall for my own useage, but well plenty of other distros that still are :) so yep I don't run Ubuntu anymore, pshyical installs | Sep 12 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I applaud people who do take a principled stand, but they are knowingly cutting themselves off from a lot of stuff. They are perfectly happy with those choices | Sep 12 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | some people don't care about market share | Sep 12 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | and so don't want Ubuntu to go main streame | Sep 12 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | since they tend to also be very much so into free software, and don't want stuff to be Ubuntu only, or go quite propritary | Sep 12 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | Anyway with tech as well as other subjects, loads of differnet views and opinions :D | Sep 12 17:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Unigine's RTS Game OilRush Coming to Linux http://goo.gl/5om6 | Sep 12 17:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Unigine's RTS Game OilRush Coming to Linux | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 45.43 KB | Sep 12 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and some people think, that useualy something is bad in a Linux distro, if it isn't upstream, and that kind of thing | Sep 12 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | another thing that constantly rubs me the wrong way is the GNU people on identi.ca constantly butting in with the same argument over and over and over again "You must call it GNU/Linux" it's enough to REALLY dig your heels in against them | Sep 12 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | however I think that yeah, Ubuntu needs to be differnet from upstream, and work on being user friendly, if they are going to have a chance at goining main streame | Sep 12 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | if it looks like pretty much every other distro, why would loads of people go Ubuntu? | Sep 12 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | and if it works pretty much the same as nearly every other distro as well? | Sep 12 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: ah yes that, bruce89 told me that was going on, last night | Sep 12 17:04 |
| ThistleWeb | it's one thing to educate, it's another to be obnoxious and but in all the fucking time with the same point | Sep 12 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | as for identica I don't have an account, and well its a big geeks site | Sep 12 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | I have IRC to be a geek on :D | Sep 12 17:05 |
| ThistleWeb | it's free to join | Sep 12 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | I don't need identica as well | Sep 12 17:05 |
| ThistleWeb | identica is cool | Sep 12 17:05 |
| ThistleWeb | when you avoid the !GNU people | Sep 12 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | GNU/Linux or just Linux, the average Ubuntu user woudn't really care | Sep 12 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | thing is, I agree with the goals of the FSF, I want open standards, I want to see open source and transparency become the norm | Sep 12 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | for example | Sep 12 17:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] Some thoughts on 9/11 : http://ur1.ca/1levs | Sep 12 17:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Moved by Freedom Powered by Standards » Remembering 9/11 .::. Size~: 40.06 KB | Sep 12 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | it is 2010 | Sep 12 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | most people who go to a Linux distro now | Sep 12 17:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I just can't stand that type of behaviour | Sep 12 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | and also in the past few years | Sep 12 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | or so | Sep 12 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | anyway most people doing it now and in the past few years or so, are doing it, because they don't like Windows | Sep 12 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | how Windows gets malware easyily and that type of thing | Sep 12 17:07 |
| ThistleWeb | the war is over, the word Linux has been adopted | Sep 12 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | they don't really care about software freedom loads of them, if they find out about it | Sep 12 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | they just want a free as in price alternative to Windows, that works well | Sep 12 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | for what they want to do on the computer | Sep 12 17:08 |
| ThistleWeb | GNU must be doing other things, I just don't see them. All I see is the same point over and over and over, it's like they're stuck in the 90's | Sep 12 17:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @sameerverma "Above the Law - Russia Uses Microsoft to Suppress Dissent - NYTimes.com" http://nyti.ms/cxBBfe | Sep 12 17:08 | |
| sebsebseb | and Canonical know that, and so are trying to make Ubuntu that | Sep 12 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | and Canonical's target audiance with Ubuntu, is the one I just mentioned | Sep 12 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | it used to be people like me and bruce89 before 9.04 | Sep 12 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | or so it seemed anyway | Sep 12 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | then along comes the user friendly junk in 9.04 that really does suck, because other features being removed when enabled, that should be there, and uh | Sep 12 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: also Ubuntu and Mint should be stepping stone distros | Sep 12 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | distros that are ok to start with, and then hopefuly users will move on to something else, quite soon after | Sep 12 17:09 |
| ThistleWeb | for those who have an interest in stepping, yes | Sep 12 17:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @wikileaks 'CIA should kill Julian Assange' http://is.gd/f79uW >>nice #wikileaks | Sep 12 17:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The CIA Should Kill Julian Assange | Right Wing News .::. Size~: 96.56 KB | Sep 12 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and for some people, because they aren't that good at computers, and won't care about a load of stuff to do with them, they may as well stay on Ubuntu or Mint, better then them being on Windows or Mac OS X after all | Sep 12 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Sep 12 17:10 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Sep 12 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | yes a lot of the recent changes to Ubuntu are bad really, the down streame Gnome patching and what not, but not so bad really for the ignorant new user | Sep 12 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | also Gnome 3 will change things, and when 10.10 comes out, and I help people with it, i'll tell people here and there, that they probably shoudn't really get that used to it, because big changes are coming and yeah | Sep 12 17:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Can't believe Ive entertained the !eastenders repeat... awful show...!bbc what rubbish. | Sep 12 17:13 | |
| sebsebseb | or whatever | Sep 12 17:13 |
| *sebsebseb is taking a break from online Ubuntu support | Sep 12 17:14 | |
| sebsebseb | and yeah support for other distros as well | Sep 12 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: IRC support can get way to time consuming really | Sep 12 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: what does annoy me though, is the amount of ignorance and fanboyism around Ubuntu, for example on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk or as schestowitz would call it OMG!Mono! | Sep 12 17:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OMG! Ubuntu! | Everything Ubuntu. Daily. .::. Size~: 53.37 KB | Sep 12 17:18 |
| schestowitz | I don't call it that | Sep 12 17:19 |
| schestowitz | They distorted my views in a ways | Sep 12 17:19 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah thats a problem on every distro, but seems more pronounced on some | Sep 12 17:19 |
| schestowitz | And called it "Botcott Novell" some hours ago | Sep 12 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uh? | Sep 12 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also you did call it that, in a blog entry or two | Sep 12 17:20 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://twitter.com/omgubuntu/statuses/24287504943 | Sep 12 17:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / OMG! UBUNTU!: Neat! @conscioususer just ... .::. Size~: 12.58 KB | Sep 12 17:20 |
| schestowitz | A particular aspect of it | Sep 12 17:20 |
| schestowitz | The apathy/sympathy t/w mono | Sep 12 17:20 |
| schestowitz | As in, 'omg! Mono" | Sep 12 17:21 |
| schestowitz | or "omg! kde!' | Sep 12 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well your image call it that | Sep 12 17:21 |
| schestowitz | They go omg at everything | Sep 12 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | calls it that | Sep 12 17:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: RT @wikileaks 'CIA should kill Julian Assange' http://is.gd/f79uW >>nice #wikileaks | Sep 12 17:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The CIA Should Kill Julian Assange | Right Wing News .::. Size~: 96.62 KB | Sep 12 17:21 |
| schestowitz | the image is not them | Sep 12 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | or thats just a joke image not really calling it that | Sep 12 17:21 |
| schestowitz | It's a women getting all excited at Mono | Sep 12 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | http://techrights.org/2010/08/25/mono-drying-up/ | Sep 12 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OMG!Mono! | Techrights .::. Size~: 106.14 KB | Sep 12 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | http://techrights.org/2010/09/11/mono-dependency-in-une/ | Sep 12 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mono Outperformed by .NET Sometimes, Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.10 Dumps Novells Banshee | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.18 KB | Sep 12 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ah ok | Sep 12 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well I hope to read more stuff like that, about their site :D | Sep 12 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | TechrightsBot-tr: most users of Ubuntu and what not, don't know that their are loads of threats to Desktop Linux, software patents, Microsoft, probably even Mono really, and so on | Sep 12 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: ^ | Sep 12 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah it can be good to educate people a bit about that, but done wrongly, could put them off using a Linux distro | Sep 12 17:24 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Sep 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Let me respond to him | Sep 12 17:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @glynmoody: RT @wikileaks 'CIA should kill Julian Assange' http://is.gd/f79uW > how about putting Tony, George and Dick on trial instead? | Sep 12 17:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The CIA Should Kill Julian Assange | Right Wing News .::. Size~: 96.6 KB | Sep 12 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: just like whining to a new user, about features that weren't liked in Ubuntu could | Sep 12 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | TechrightsBot-tr: in the past few releases | Sep 12 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: plus being in the know like we, can be a curse at times, rather than a blessing | Sep 12 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | as the saying goes | Sep 12 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | ignornace is bliss | Sep 12 17:26 |
| ThistleWeb | free software is a whole other level of political / ethical stuff not just a peice of software | Sep 12 17:26 |
| schestowitz | me: "@omgubuntu to clarify, it's not "alternative name", just humour at the fact that the site goes "omg" at anything, Mono included. I like it." | Sep 12 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | indeed its much more than just | Sep 12 17:26 |
| ThistleWeb | most people dont know about it, or care about it | Sep 12 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | software | Sep 12 17:26 |
| ThistleWeb | so to try and force your opinions on it over factors they dont care about is annoying | Sep 12 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and yeah trying to educate someone about something that they don't really know or care about, can be quite annoying | Sep 12 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: just like LInux conversion can be, which is why I guess, it doesn't work out most of the time | Sep 12 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | plus its not like Firefox just a browser | Sep 12 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | and so easy to install, its an OS, which is a big jump for many to install another OS | Sep 12 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | even in a vm I guess | Sep 12 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | I tend not to go on about that side so much, although I do touch on it, to new users, and encourage them to get to know their PC, try different things, learn about it | Sep 12 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | which means they will inevitably see the open / closed debate in many forms | Sep 12 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | yeah good to explain a bit that other distros are out there and such, give the http://www.distrowatch.com link and make them reolize they have a choice | Sep 12 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 135.58 KB | Sep 12 17:29 |
| ThistleWeb | it's about HOW they're exposed to it, encouraged but not forced | Sep 12 17:29 |
| ThistleWeb | do it in your own time as a hobby, instead of manditory homework and being judged by your decisions | Sep 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | I really like that the distrowatch slogan | Sep 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | exactly yeah do the if stuff | Sep 12 17:30 |
| ThistleWeb | when I install linux for a new user, it's Mint. I also bookmark sites like linuxreality.com | Sep 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | and the you might want to read this, because stuff | Sep 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | not the oh you really need to read this, because... | Sep 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | its a choice | Sep 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | make it all a choice | Sep 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | basicalley | Sep 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | linuxreality? | Sep 12 17:31 |
| ThistleWeb | encourage them to download and listen to them, to get a grounding in linux / gpl / free software / gnome etc | Sep 12 17:31 |
| ThistleWeb | then explore in their own time and find their own path | Sep 12 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxreality.com | Sep 12 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Reality Podcast .::. Size~: 5.12 KB | Sep 12 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | oh its a podcast? | Sep 12 17:31 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a very good podcast for new users | Sep 12 17:31 |
| ThistleWeb | each ep is about a certain thing, like file managers, desktop environments, filesystems etc | Sep 12 17:32 |
| ThistleWeb | alll explained in family freindly language, in kinda laymens terms | Sep 12 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: ok i'll check that out some time, and could be useful | Sep 12 17:32 |
| *sebsebseb likes helping newbies with Desktop LInux | Sep 12 17:32 | |
| *sebsebseb wonders if he could get paid to do this in the local area? and set up dual boots with Windows, and some Windows security as well I guess | Sep 12 17:32 | |
| sebsebseb | I want to do software stuff only though | Sep 12 17:32 |
| ThistleWeb | I bookmark it and show new users, with their new OS, as I'm showing them the basics before I leave them | Sep 12 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | I mean no opening up the computer and messing around with hardware | Sep 12 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Going Linux is good for beginnings too | Sep 12 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: for beginnings? | Sep 12 17:33 |
| ThistleWeb | going linux is another good one yes | Sep 12 17:33 |
| schestowitz | One of the host does radio part time | Sep 12 17:33 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, and beginners | Sep 12 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: you do stuff in person though? you do this in person? how could I do it? market myself or whatever and do it? | Sep 12 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | thats one thing doing it online with people and not being paid | Sep 12 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I should have a job at this kind of thing, I am good | Sep 12 17:33 |
| ThistleWeb | it's often a great idea if people can sit back and just listen and have stuff explained | Sep 12 17:33 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: tech support needs them | Sep 12 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: needs what? | Sep 12 17:34 |
| schestowitz | For Linux-using clients | Sep 12 17:34 |
| ThistleWeb | that way it gets them more "up to speed" so they dont feel totally lost when they're reading guides, reviews, posts etc | Sep 12 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Less so in the UK than Germay | Sep 12 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I meant home users | Sep 12 17:34 |
| schestowitz | But the issue is, Linux users are ery technical, they find tech support demeaning | Sep 12 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I would like to help home users, with Windows and Linux, and be paid :) | Sep 12 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Degrading rather | Sep 12 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah yeah I know | Sep 12 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: it can be really annoying, but oh if you know what kind of tech support I have done online, as a volunter | Sep 12 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: you would know, I don't really have a problem with that | Sep 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | When I was an undergrad I did tech support for professors | Sep 12 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | I mean one particular guy I helped out | Sep 12 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Sep 12 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | lets put it this way, most people so woudn't help him, without being paid | Sep 12 17:35 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: for people local to me that I know, freinds etc, yes I do it personally, I demo it in a live cd, answer questions they have, make sure it;s fine, then if they're sure I install it, dual booting if it's needed, then spend an hour or so teaching them after the post install is cleaned up | Sep 12 17:35 |
| ThistleWeb | so that when I leave I know they're not totally lost | Sep 12 17:36 |
| sebsebseb | and only doing it since net with someone, well made it harder | Sep 12 17:36 |
| ThistleWeb | I also explain that it's a whole new change for them and I dont expect them to remember everything I tell them at once | Sep 12 17:36 |
| Ender2070 | ThistleWeb - its not snarkyness | Sep 12 17:36 |
| Ender2070 | windows is aimed at noobs | Sep 12 17:36 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: right, but I don't know people in person around here, that I can do Linux with, sadly | Sep 12 17:37 |
| Ender2070 | i dont want linux aimed at them too | Sep 12 17:37 |
| ThistleWeb | that I can still help them afterwards, but I do show them stuff like IRC, forums etc to get help themselves, to try and encourage them to become self sufficient | Sep 12 17:37 |
| Ender2070 | dont pretend to care about freedom when you load your OS with proprietary junk | Sep 12 17:37 |
| *sebsebseb is thinking and has thought about it a few times before, get some sort of advert out there, and then maybe people will be interested | Sep 12 17:37 | |
| ThistleWeb | who pretends to care? canonical? | Sep 12 17:37 |
| Ender2070 | if you want proprietary 3d drivers, flash and microsoft office, just use windows | Sep 12 17:37 |
| Ender2070 | wine sucks | Sep 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: the worst thing is giving voluntary tech support for Windows, helping SweatyB get richer | Sep 12 17:38 |
| ThistleWeb | as I said, your condecension is noted | Sep 12 17:38 |
| schestowitz | They have enough money to expand on supporting their utterly broken OS | Sep 12 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz:well yeah I don't want to do free tech support for Windows :) | Sep 12 17:38 |
| schestowitz | *expend | Sep 12 17:38 |
| ThistleWeb | "if you don't agree with me, you can fuck off" | Sep 12 17:38 |
| Ender2070 | its not condecension | Sep 12 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I mean I would hep set up a dual boot, but that would be about it | Sep 12 17:38 |
| ThistleWeb | yes it is, it's "you're not welcome if you don't agree with me" | Sep 12 17:38 |
| Ender2070 | joe user can't figure his way around a terminal, why make him? | Sep 12 17:38 |
| ThistleWeb | looking down on people because they dont agree with you | Sep 12 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: as a result of not wanting to help with Windows I tend to not go to ##windows :) | Sep 12 17:38 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: that's not Windowss :) | Sep 12 17:39 |
| Ender2070 | you think my gf will throw away her iphone because its not free ? | Sep 12 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm? | Sep 12 17:39 |
| schestowitz | That's doing what hurts Windows the most | Sep 12 17:39 |
| Ender2070 | normal users dont care | Sep 12 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm? | Sep 12 17:39 |
| Ender2070 | why should they use an os that doesnt support their apps? | Sep 12 17:39 |
| schestowitz | nm | Sep 12 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: yep already been through this basicalley | Sep 12 17:39 |
| ThistleWeb | why should they use a malware magnet when linux works for them? | Sep 12 17:39 |
| Ender2070 | linux is missing a lot of software joe user needs | Sep 12 17:40 |
| ThistleWeb | just because they dont sign up to the same ethos as you | Sep 12 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: average computer users don't care, they just want to use what works for what they want to do | Sep 12 17:40 |
| ThistleWeb | dress it up however you like, but it's condecension | Sep 12 17:40 |
| Ender2070 | its apples and oranges | Sep 12 17:40 |
| schestowitz | "viruses are just a computer issues infecting the Windows" | Sep 12 17:40 |
| Ender2070 | these people want their orange and you're telling them its evil buy an apple | Sep 12 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: helping people online with Ubuntu or whatever uh right yeah, but I want a job heping with Linux and what not ideally, yeah home users, and being paid | Sep 12 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ,but how is the thing | Sep 12 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and yeah would have to be self employeed doing that really, since how things are | Sep 12 17:41 |
| schestowitz | how are they? | Sep 12 17:41 |
| *sebsebseb Windows has messed up my life in a way | Sep 12 17:41 | |
| ThistleWeb | from what I've seen, Apple users seem to be naturals at looking down on others | Sep 12 17:41 |
| schestowitz | UK manufacturing was ruined decades ago | Sep 12 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Just "knowledge workers" left | Sep 12 17:41 |
| ThistleWeb | "you're not welcome" | Sep 12 17:41 |
| schestowitz | And they too are imported/exported now | Sep 12 17:42 |
| *sebsebseb even lost a potential friend two years ago, trying to convert to Ubuntu, and well other things he didn't like that I said I guess as well | Sep 12 17:42 | |
| sebsebseb | that guy was a bit odd really, but still | Sep 12 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | shame really | Sep 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | [17:41] <ThistleWeb> from what I've seen, Apple users seem to be naturals at looking down on others | Sep 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | That's their relationship with Apple | Sep 12 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | right going away from computer | Sep 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | They vow to pay triple for a PC | Sep 12 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | already been on here longer than I intended to, since I started chatting here | Sep 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | And Apple vows to sped billions shoving down people's minds the perception that Apple cutomers are GODS | Sep 12 17:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the whole "ubuntu is just like windows, newbies should just stay on windows" is just the same, looking down on people, judging them by your own standards, exclusion and condecension | Sep 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | It's like Chanel or Armani | Sep 12 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | well I'll listen to the end of this music first | Sep 12 17:43 |
| schestowitz | "You pay us to keep up your reputation" | Sep 12 17:43 |
| ThistleWeb | what happened to welcoming people who have made a step away from windows? | Sep 12 17:43 |
| ThistleWeb | who may take another step in your direction at a later date when they get used to it | Sep 12 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: differnet views | Sep 12 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: some people don't care about market share, and so think loads of people should just stay on Windows | Sep 12 17:43 |
| ThistleWeb | do they feel warm and fuzzy by someone judging them and telling them "go back to windows" | Sep 12 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: right, but Ender2070 is a Fedora user | Sep 12 17:44 |
| ThistleWeb | or is this just another excuse to bash Ubuntu? | Sep 12 17:44 |
| schestowitz | "back to...' | Sep 12 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: he is probably one who doesn't really care much about Desktop Linux market share really | Sep 12 17:44 |
| schestowitz | "Go back to goulag!!!1" | Sep 12 17:44 |
| ThistleWeb | find an excuse, any excuse and dress it up as something that doesn't sound like a trooling comment | Sep 12 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: Fedora isn't really a distro for the average computer user, since how things are, by the way | Sep 12 17:45 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Sep 12 17:45 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russian, Goulag goes to YOU!! | Sep 12 17:45 |
| ThistleWeb | fedora is aimed at expeienced users and devs | Sep 12 17:45 |
| ThistleWeb | those are NOT the average user | Sep 12 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Not only | Sep 12 17:45 |
| ThistleWeb | no matter how much you wish they were | Sep 12 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: indeed | Sep 12 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Some 00b ue it too | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | It's a stereotype | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | They suffer from it | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Fedora=Red Hat hackers | Sep 12 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: some noobs use it sure, but not many | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu=kids | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | [stereotype] | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Arch=hackers | Sep 12 17:46 |
| ThistleWeb | sniping at ubuntu just seems ike sour grapes | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Gentoo=ricers | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | suse=germans | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | mandriva=france/brazil | Sep 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | RedFlag=china.. | Sep 12 17:47 |
| ThistleWeb | ooooh, we've been around longer, it's our right to get all these new users, then along comes ubuntu and tops distrowatch, gets all the buzz, boohoo | Sep 12 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I have heard of that saying, but what does it mean? | Sep 12 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I think I have an idea | Sep 12 17:47 |
| ThistleWeb | it means poor loser | Sep 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Lispire=Windows newbies/newcomers | Sep 12 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | anyway all this in fighting puts, people off Desktop Linux as well, whatever the distro | Sep 12 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Linspire is dead | Sep 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | i'll drink to that | Sep 12 17:47 |
| ThistleWeb | refuse to accept you've been bested and it's up to YOU to improve, but snipe at the winner because you feel cheated | Sep 12 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: well loads of reasons why people don't like Ubuntu | Sep 12 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: not working propelry with upstream, and what not | Sep 12 17:48 |
| ThistleWeb | infighting does play into the hands of those who seek to portray Linux as a viper pit | Sep 12 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | in fighting can be used by people who don't like Linux yeah | Sep 12 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | that's what you meant? | Sep 12 17:48 |
| ThistleWeb | in reality we're all on the "windows alternative" boat | Sep 12 17:48 |
| ThistleWeb | we all want to draw users away from windows | Sep 12 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | in reality so are those who went Mac OS X, because they don't like WIndows | Sep 12 17:49 |
| ThistleWeb | whether to fedora, opensuse, ubuntu, debian or whatever | Sep 12 17:49 |
| ThistleWeb | apple do get a LOT of people who want "anything but windows" but all they know about is apple | Sep 12 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | indeed which is ashame | Sep 12 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | and exactly Apple gets load of the computer ignorants who don't like Windows | Sep 12 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | I mean to know about Ubuntu even, either the person had to be told about it by someone, or had to have done their own reasearch on the Intenret for example, and the average computer user who doesn't like WIndows, won't do that | Sep 12 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | what Mac OS X and Ubuntu both have in common though, is that they are the most used, because of all their hype | Sep 12 17:51 |
| sebsebseb | the two most used WIndows alternatives, because of all their hype | Sep 12 17:51 |
| sebsebseb | on the desktop I am on about here | Sep 12 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the "I'm gonna dismiss you, belittle you, etc if you don't think as I do" brigade that annoys people, whether it's OSX people or free software people, or any other crowd | Sep 12 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | the inability to imagine or accept anyone's views as legitamite if they're not the same | Sep 12 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | there always must be a reason aka "awww look at the little newbie, bless" | Sep 12 17:52 |
| ThistleWeb | it's pathetic | Sep 12 17:52 |
| ThistleWeb | specially from grown adults | Sep 12 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | So is Ubuntu fanboyism from grown adults really :D | Sep 12 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | however | Sep 12 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | it seems that most of the omgubuntu people are quite young | Sep 12 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | teenagers | Sep 12 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | or early 20's | Sep 12 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yes people don't know about choices when it comes to OS | Sep 12 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Sep 12 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | trying to force an OS on to someone isn't really the best thing to do | Sep 12 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | and doesn't tend to end up well | Sep 12 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I think a Desktop Linux distro is a big win | Sep 12 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | since yeah, Firefox by default useualy and Open Office and other good apps :) | Sep 12 17:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I am in Raleigh, North Carolina. Is there any store here that sells Pre-Paid 3G data-only SIMs? Pls say that it's doable! #fb | Sep 12 17:54 | |
| sebsebseb | and people won't useualy use Internet Explorer or Microsoft Office in them | Sep 12 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah | Sep 12 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | also Internet Explorer has most users still, because of how it is bundled into the worlds most used OS, that's the only reason | Sep 12 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Desktop Linux is meant to be about freedom of choice, from the distros, to the apps that are installed in to them | Sep 12 17:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the computer voice on #HPR Google Privacy Policy ep is a total fail, not even worth suffering through | Sep 12 17:56 | |
| sebsebseb | and yes Desktop Linux is a great thing, but there is also a bad side to it, the software patents and in fighting, and what not | Sep 12 17:58 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, those who wipe windows and replace with linux, on their moms / brothers etc PCs without asking them are harming the cause too | Sep 12 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: indeed | Sep 12 17:58 |
| ThistleWeb | that just turns people off of linux, beacuse their intro to it was via an asshat | Sep 12 17:58 |
| ThistleWeb | I tend to encourage people to play with a live cd for a bit to get used to it | Sep 12 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Live CD | Sep 12 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | or vm's | Sep 12 17:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 @glynmoody maybe my sarcasm was missed. Most armies of conquest use the word "security" or "defence" in their name; they hire thugs | Sep 12 17:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @harishpillay I am not aware such a thing exists in the US. If you find it does, let me know. | Sep 12 17:59 | |
| ThistleWeb | I also talk to them to figure out what they need, and don't bullshit them just to "get the sale" | Sep 12 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't leave them high and dry either post install | Sep 12 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | my point is to encourage them to linux, and do it in a way that hopefully means they stay and enjoy it | Sep 12 18:01 |
| ThistleWeb | rather than regret it and go back | Sep 12 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Really Linux distros are meant to be Unix alternatives, well sure Fedora is really, but distros like Ubuntu and Mint are as well sure, but they are really made to be Windows alternatives | Sep 12 18:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @webmink will do so. the US of A is rather backwards in this regard. | Sep 12 18:01 | |
| *Mikey (5acbfd47@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.203.253.71) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 18:02 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yes same here, when I help people with this kind of st uff | Sep 12 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: nice and honest, find out what they want to do on the computer and that | Sep 12 18:02 |
| Mikey | hey roy | Sep 12 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Sep 12 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | who is Mikey? | Sep 12 18:02 |
| *Mikey is now known as Guest750 | Sep 12 18:02 | |
| Guest750 | got cut off yesterday | Sep 12 18:02 |
| Guest750 | hows things at home | Sep 12 18:02 |
| ThistleWeb | linux isn't suitable for some stuff, or may not be the best suited, so it's counterproductive to lie and pretend it is | Sep 12 18:02 |
| Guest750 | is it working ok for you | Sep 12 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: indeed | Sep 12 18:03 |
| Ender2070 | i wouldnt encourage people to use linux unless they were power users | Sep 12 18:03 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, elitism worked wonders | Sep 12 18:03 |
| ThistleWeb | again, the condecension | Sep 12 18:04 |
| Ender2070 | its not | Sep 12 18:04 |
| Ender2070 | power users want to know how stuff works | Sep 12 18:04 |
| ThistleWeb | "if you're not elite, we don't want you in our little exclusive gang" | Sep 12 18:04 |
| Ender2070 | try explaining linux to someone not into computers, and why they should use free software | Sep 12 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: been there done that, a few times | Sep 12 18:05 |
| Ender2070 | they arent being excluded | Sep 12 18:05 |
| ThistleWeb | by all means look down on people, judge them and exclude them but don't pretend it's anything different | Sep 12 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: Fedora is for power users, Ubuntu and Mint are trying to go main streame | Sep 12 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: Fedora isn't trying to go main streame | Sep 12 18:05 |
| Ender2070 | im not blocking them from looking into this stuff | Sep 12 18:05 |
| Ender2070 | im just tired of explaining a million different things to people who dont really care | Sep 12 18:05 |
| ThistleWeb | you're teling them "linux is not for you" when it can be | Sep 12 18:05 |
| Ender2070 | in canada, most people love facebook and windows | Sep 12 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: right so don't do Linux conversin or tech support, and problem sovled | Sep 12 18:06 |
| ThistleWeb | who knows what the fututre brings | Sep 12 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: some people are much better than others, at helping non technical people with Linux distros | Sep 12 18:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @zyth !openmoko !freerunner Community Updates/2010-09-01 (Period 2010-08-01 to 2010-08-31) http://ur1.ca/1lf5w | Sep 12 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Touched down in BWI. Very wet, so I expect a tedious drive home. Hope people on the Beltway are taking it easy and not being fools. | Sep 12 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thomaszander/@thomaszander] RT @neverendingo: !KDE userbase got a facelift http://userbase.kde.org | Sep 12 18:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Community Updates/2010-09-01 - Openmoko .::. Size~: 22.93 KB | Sep 12 18:06 |
| ThistleWeb | when people ease into something, they may develop a taste for it | Sep 12 18:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Welcome to KDE UserBase - KDE UserBase .::. Size~: 29.21 KB | Sep 12 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: and you might be really great at Fedora, but you probably suck at helping with Linux distros when it comes to non technical people realy, but that's ok | Sep 12 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | Desktop Linux is a community after all | Sep 12 18:06 |
| ThistleWeb | but telling them "we dont want you, go back to windows" they'll never get a taste for it | Sep 12 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: however yeah, don't tell people that they should stay on Windows or go back to it | Sep 12 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: let them make up their own mind | Sep 12 18:07 |
| ThistleWeb | and even a basic user switching from windows to linux menas one less potential bot on a spamm sending botnet, which is a kinda obvious benefit yes? | Sep 12 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: indeed or maybe not quite | Sep 12 18:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @glynmoody RT @wikileaks 'CIA should kill Julian Assange' http://is.gd/f79uW >>nice #wikileaks | Sep 12 18:08 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I mean if they daul boot with Windows and go online with it | Sep 12 18:08 |
| Ender2070 | assuming they dont have a/v | Sep 12 18:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The CIA Should Kill Julian Assange | Right Wing News .::. Size~: 96.65 KB | Sep 12 18:08 |
| *Guest750 has quit (Quit: Page closed) | Sep 12 18:08 | |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: a/v is rather useless | Sep 12 18:08 |
| Ender2070 | assuming they didn't purchase windows | Sep 12 18:08 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh so if the have AV it's 100% safe now? | Sep 12 18:08 |
| ThistleWeb | thats a new one | Sep 12 18:08 |
| Ender2070 | 99.4% safe if they use a good one | Sep 12 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: if the computer is taken over, well it will still be taken over, when whatever took it over, gets removed from the OS install | Sep 12 18:08 |
| Ender2070 | you dont help linux by spreading FUD | Sep 12 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: you don't help Linux, by telling people to just use Windows | Sep 12 18:09 |
| ThistleWeb | elitists just harm the cause they claim to be fighting for | Sep 12 18:09 |
| ThistleWeb | nobody appreciates condecension aimed at them | Sep 12 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: a kind of subject change quickly, but uhmm, yes Ubuntu now has a load of features I don't want for my own personal useage and such, but sure for their target audiance those features are ok really | Sep 12 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: as in the newbie target audiance | Sep 12 18:10 |
| ThistleWeb | they won't listen to people who just put them down at every turn | Sep 12 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: oh yeah I typed something like this earlier, and yeah other distros I can use instead | Sep 12 18:11 |
| ThistleWeb | but I'm getting sick of this subject | Sep 12 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | as for those who think a distro should follow upstream pretty mcuh 100% that's just an opinion as well, and not really right either | Sep 12 18:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I thought the numbers of elitists were thinning out but it appears the stallwarts are everywhere | Sep 12 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | if a distro is going to go main streame, then following upstrema nearly 100% probably isn't really the way to go | Sep 12 18:11 |
| Ender2070 | theres a difference between making linux easier, and filling linux with proprietary bullshit | Sep 12 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: uhmm a lot of the elietists as you call them, use Fedora | Sep 12 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: I asked Jono a question about if 8 money making services would be to much in Ubuntu, because then it would be kind of like propritary software, in one of his ustreams | Sep 12 18:13 |
| ThistleWeb | if you're an average example of the fedora users, then it's no wonder you're losing in terms of attracting new users | Sep 12 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: and the reply I got was basically, what's wrong with making money? | Sep 12 18:13 |
| ThistleWeb | that's not gonna change any time soon | Sep 12 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | ideally a community based distro such as PC Linux OS or maybe even Fedora or not, since Fedora has Redhat behind them | Sep 12 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | should have most users on the desktop | Sep 12 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | ,but realistically that isn't so likely to happen, because of capitalims consumerism money and companies | Sep 12 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | people think something isn't good useually, unless a company is behind it, these days | Sep 12 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | plus Canonical may need a profit later on, if it turns out to be true about Mono | Sep 12 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | and so patent sueing | Sep 12 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: and yeah exactly, Ubuntu is a commercial distro, so in certin ways, and well now in particular, since money making services, it is sort of like propritary software | Sep 12 18:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] RT 5 Beautiful Elementary-ish Gnome Themes http://bit.ly/9JrxtE (via @webupd8) | Sep 12 18:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 5 Beautiful Elementary-ish Gnome Themes ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 69.48 KB | Sep 12 18:16 |
| Ender2070 | ubuntu is becoming more and more like windows | Sep 12 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: whilst looking more like Mac OS X | Sep 12 18:17 |
| Ender2070 | i like my linux to act like linux | Sep 12 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess they have to go more like those two propritary OS's | Sep 12 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | to win main streame users over | Sep 12 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | I mean | Sep 12 18:18 |
| Ender2070 | not try to sell me services | Sep 12 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | people keep on comparing Linux to Mac OS X and Windows | Sep 12 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to what it can and can't do | Sep 12 18:18 |
| Ender2070 | it can do plenty, with free software | Sep 12 18:19 |
| Ender2070 | we dont need skype, ms office, itunes or .NET | Sep 12 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | it can't run loads of the popular Windows crapware with free software though | Sep 12 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: well free software people don't need those sure, but those who aren't really free software people, do | Sep 12 18:19 |
| Ender2070 | at least ubuntu doesnt pretend to be free software | Sep 12 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | those who want a Windows alternative, want Skype and what not, these days | Sep 12 18:20 |
| Ender2070 | thats the funny thing though | Sep 12 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | How so? | Sep 12 18:21 |
| Ender2070 | why do they want a windows alternative, yet want to keep running their windows programs | Sep 12 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | they want a Windows alternative, to get away from the viruses and such | Sep 12 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | thats the only reason really | Sep 12 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | for most I guess | Sep 12 18:21 |
| Ender2070 | no its not | Sep 12 18:21 |
| Ender2070 | it cant be | Sep 12 18:21 |
| ThistleWeb | they often dont know any native linux alternates | Sep 12 18:21 |
| Ender2070 | viruses are only a problem to people who steal windows or use norton | Sep 12 18:21 |
| ThistleWeb | or like some features those dont have | Sep 12 18:21 |
| ThistleWeb | ubuntu is never gonna be for you, wouldnt the mature approach be to just ignore it? instead of finding any excuse to bash it, or demand it confroms to what YOU want | Sep 12 18:22 |
| Ender2070 | why don't you let me have the freedom to bash what I like? | Sep 12 18:22 |
| Ender2070 | we both live in free countries I assume | Sep 12 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | by all means if you wanna troll, go for it | Sep 12 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | if it's really that important to you | Sep 12 18:23 |
| Ender2070 | so I have to say positive things about ubuntu or i'm trolling? | Sep 12 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: no of cousre not | Sep 12 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | is the word "ignore" missing from the GNU/dictionary? | Sep 12 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: just don't annoy people to much in here, or you probably trolling, but as far as I know your only annoying ThistleWeb right now | Sep 12 18:24 |
| Ender2070 | cant annoy thistleweb, thats trolling | Sep 12 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | anyway schestowitz can dicate the troll rules for this channel, if there are such things | Sep 12 18:24 |
| Ender2070 | exactly | Sep 12 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: I don't know, I don't make the rules for this channel, or decide what trolling is and isn't when it comes to this channel | Sep 12 18:25 |
| Ender2070 | thistleweb != roy | Sep 12 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: != means not the same as? | Sep 12 18:25 |
| Ender2070 | not equal | Sep 12 18:26 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the same as people trying to force fedora to include codecs ootb mint style, thats not what fedora are about, if peeps wan that, dont use fedora | Sep 12 18:26 |
| Ender2070 | fedora | Sep 12 18:26 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the same argument as trying to change ubuntu into something you approve of | Sep 12 18:26 |
| Ender2070 | fedora's policy is not to include proprietary software | Sep 12 18:26 |
| ThistleWeb | it's just not the distro for you | Sep 12 18:26 |
| ThistleWeb | I know | Sep 12 18:26 |
| Ender2070 | ubuntu's policy IS to include proprietary shit | Sep 12 18:26 |
| schestowitz | [18:21] <Ender2070> viruses are only a problem to people who steal windows or use norton | Sep 12 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Not true | Sep 12 18:27 |
| schestowitz | That's a Microsoft talking point | Sep 12 18:27 |
| ThistleWeb | so for people who want to watch youtube etc, fedora is probs not the distro from them | Sep 12 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Spread widely through Wintel press and teachers who read it | Sep 12 18:27 |
| Ender2070 | thats my talking point schestowitz | Sep 12 18:27 |
| Ender2070 | first hand knowledge | Sep 12 18:27 |
| Ender2070 | every pc I removed viruses from was a stolen copy of xp with either norton or no a/v | Sep 12 18:27 |
| ThistleWeb | so you're saing that legit windows users dont get malware? thats not my experience | Sep 12 18:28 |
| Ender2070 | a majority of them dont | Sep 12 18:28 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Sep 12 18:28 |
| Ender2070 | most users steal windows | Sep 12 18:28 |
| ThistleWeb | again it appears we live on different planes of existence | Sep 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: copies can't be stolen | Sep 12 18:28 |
| Ender2070 | pirated copies if you want to be technical | Sep 12 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Let's get the terminology right,not help propagate it | Sep 12 18:29 |
| Ender2070 | i had a few vista and 7 machines with viruses | Sep 12 18:29 |
| schestowitz | And I reckon most copies of Windows are from OEMs/illegal | Sep 12 18:29 |
| Ender2070 | xp gets fucked over royally | Sep 12 18:29 |
| Ender2070 | xp you might as well wipe and reload | Sep 12 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: not pirated, either | Sep 12 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Piracy is another thing | Sep 12 18:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @brews I'm really impressed with Evolution's speed in #ubuntu 10.10 | Sep 12 18:29 | |
| schestowitz | If copies are piracy, is taking something finite worse than homocide ? | Sep 12 18:30 |
| Ender2070 | ugh | Sep 12 18:30 |
| schestowitz | *homicide | Sep 12 18:30 |
| Ender2070 | THEY HAD COPIES THEY DID NOT PAY FOR | Sep 12 18:30 |
| schestowitz | OK | Sep 12 18:30 |
| schestowitz | That's correct | Sep 12 18:30 |
| Ender2070 | they were not receiving updates, which made their xp suseptible to exploits from viruses | Sep 12 18:31 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's more that they weren't getting updates | Sep 12 18:31 |
| ThistleWeb | which legit users could also apply to | Sep 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Microsoft has a lie about it | Sep 12 18:31 |
| ThistleWeb | who would then be equally vulnerable to infections | Sep 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | "Make everyone pay us, viruses will stop" | Sep 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | How convenient | Sep 12 18:32 |
| schestowitz | They use this FUD in poor countries like Brazil a lot | Sep 12 18:32 |
| schestowitz | And China | Sep 12 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Being fully patches as per Microsoft is not enough | Sep 12 18:32 |
| ThistleWeb | the iligitamte copies angle only stands in so far as you dont know whats been altered on the iso from the origianl version | Sep 12 18:32 |
| schestowitz | They have too many zero-day flaws | Sep 12 18:32 |
| ThistleWeb | it may or may not have backdoors included | Sep 12 18:33 |
| Ender2070 | you guys didnt have a job removing malware from windows customers | Sep 12 18:33 |
| Ender2070 | i did this every day | Sep 12 18:33 |
| Ender2070 | im speaking with experience | Sep 12 18:33 |
| ThistleWeb | windows malware is an issue | Sep 12 18:33 |
| ThistleWeb | your point was legit users dont get malware | Sep 12 18:33 |
| ThistleWeb | which is wrong | Sep 12 18:33 |
| schestowitz | legit users know computers better | Sep 12 18:33 |
| Ender2070 | smart legit users then | Sep 12 18:34 |
| schestowitz | There's correlation, not causal | Sep 12 18:34 |
| ThistleWeb | being legit or not makes little difference, it's still vulnerable | Sep 12 18:34 |
| schestowitz | People who don't buy Windows also neglect it | Sep 12 18:34 |
| Ender2070 | ones who use vista or 7, use avira or microsoft a/v, and replace IE with Firefox | Sep 12 18:34 |
| ThistleWeb | and smart users will help, legit or not | Sep 12 18:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The #RT feature in !Choqok beta is the best I've seen: it transfers from !identica to #twitter as a native RT. Clever stuff. | Sep 12 18:34 | |
| Ender2070 | replacing IE with Firefox is one of the biggest steps to closing microsofts holes | Sep 12 18:35 |
| ThistleWeb | but then, by your eailer assertion, they must also be newbies, since they use windows, no matter how smart they are on windows | Sep 12 18:35 |
| Ender2070 | get firefox, and avira, and you shouldn't get malware | Sep 12 18:35 |
| Ender2070 | its not hard if you can handle using computers | Sep 12 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Avira? wth is that? | Sep 12 18:35 |
| schestowitz | i heard of it | Sep 12 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: a reasoanbly popular antivirus | Sep 12 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Some east european thing? | Sep 12 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.anti-vir.com | Sep 12 18:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: anti-vir.com .::. Size~: 1.44 KB | Sep 12 18:36 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.free-av.com | Sep 12 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | I think thats the site ^ | Sep 12 18:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Free antivirus - Avira AntiVir .::. Size~: 11.63 KB | Sep 12 18:36 |
| Ender2070 | not anti-vir | Sep 12 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: yeah been a while | Sep 12 18:36 |
| schestowitz | http://debian.org | Sep 12 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | mind went a bit blank | Sep 12 18:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Debian -- The Universal Operating System .::. Size~: 13.37 KB | Sep 12 18:36 |
| schestowitz | It comes free with defences | Sep 12 18:36 |
| Ender2070 | 99% detection rate | Sep 12 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | so whats anti-vir .com ? | Sep 12 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Who measures? | Sep 12 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | anyway anti virus is rarther useless | Sep 12 18:37 |
| schestowitz | And what tests? | Sep 12 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | as I mentioned earlier | Sep 12 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Standardised like ACIDx? | Sep 12 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | get the correct peice of malware on there, and thats it | Sep 12 18:37 |
| schestowitz | They have some tests I can't remember | Sep 12 18:37 |
| schestowitz | None universal | Sep 12 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | cyber crimianls now use the computer | Sep 12 18:37 |
| schestowitz | "My potion will give you 99.3% satisfaction GUARANTEED" | Sep 12 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | only way to make sure is gone, is to re install the OS | Sep 12 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but some malware can even infect the bios, it seems | Sep 12 18:37 |
| ThistleWeb | no matter what AV you use, there's so much new stuff being written to attack windows, that there's always a chance that you're gonna be one of the first to come across it | Sep 12 18:37 |
| schestowitz | IT doesn't matter in % | Sep 12 18:38 |
| ThistleWeb | any AV needs to have that new virus as a sig to look out for to spot it | Sep 12 18:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @magicfab: What architecture is your Ubuntu? [Poll] - goo.gl/GN2R « Looks about 50/50 right now #ubuntu | Sep 12 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | If the cyber crooks use the 1% which is not patched | Sep 12 18:38 |
| ThistleWeb | and for that the company needs to know about it | Sep 12 18:38 |
| Ender2070 | dont need root access to wipe a users files | Sep 12 18:38 |
| schestowitz | It's not as though they choose attack vectors randomly | Sep 12 18:38 |
| ThistleWeb | until that happens no AV is gonna be safe | Sep 12 18:38 |
| schestowitz | One zero-day in Windows is all they need | Sep 12 18:38 |
| schestowitz | It's estimated that 1 in 2 windows PC is a zombie | Sep 12 18:38 |
| ThistleWeb | you're infected without knowing it | Sep 12 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | If Desktop Linux had say 10% market share | Sep 12 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | more malware would be written for it? | Sep 12 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Many don't know they're compromised | Sep 12 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but woudn't really be much of an issue, as long as poeple don't run root, or install it them selves? | Sep 12 18:39 |
| ThistleWeb | it'll be targetted more, but it'll have a much harder time suceeding | Sep 12 18:39 |
| Ender2070 | there is an independant tester for A/V | Sep 12 18:39 |
| Ender2070 | av-comparitives.org | Sep 12 18:39 |
| Ender2070 | ms a/v will have IDS in it, next release | Sep 12 18:39 |
| ThistleWeb | linux is so varied, with distros, rpm / deb etc, also root / user separation, not forgetting everything is discussded openlym with plenty of eyes from lots fof places to spot and fix stuff | Sep 12 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: you sure Canonical can deal with malware? if it ever gains 10% or so market share | Sep 12 18:40 |
| ThistleWeb | they wont have to on their own | Sep 12 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | you think toher distros will help? | Sep 12 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | I think other distros would be rather annoyeed @ that | Sep 12 18:40 |
| ThistleWeb | ubuntu, like every distro is a combination of projects in a package | Sep 12 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | ideally a few popular distros together should have 10% of the desktop market share | Sep 12 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | that way loads of stuff won't be made for Ubuntu only, as well | Sep 12 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | and I mean programs people want, not malware | Sep 12 18:41 |
| ThistleWeb | if the exploit is in evolution in ubuntu, is it not in evolutions interests to try and help out? | Sep 12 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: wel yes, unless they are annoyeed @ Ubuntu | Sep 12 18:41 |
| ThistleWeb | if it's attacking something only ubuntu use, then of course it's up to ubuntu to fix it | Sep 12 18:41 |
| ThistleWeb | which they will do | Sep 12 18:42 |
| Ender2070 | google doesnt exaggerate a virus threat to sell android, and people use android without knowing its linux | Sep 12 18:42 |
| ThistleWeb | because it'd hurt their brand not to | Sep 12 18:42 |
| Ender2070 | theres ways to go about it | Sep 12 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: I don't like that, that they sell Android, and people don't know its something called Linux | Sep 12 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: I also don't like how their browser will pretend to be Safari | Sep 12 18:42 |
| Ender2070 | yeah it should mimick chrome | Sep 12 18:43 |
| Ender2070 | not safari | Sep 12 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | mobile phones are very propritary | Sep 12 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | even with Android, which I haven't used by the way | Sep 12 18:43 |
| Ender2070 | you can replace androids firmware | Sep 12 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | I mean people don't tend to just know what OS there mobile phone is running and such | Sep 12 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | or they know its Android, but they don't know it runs Linux or whatever | Sep 12 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | that's what I mean | Sep 12 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | Google doesn't call it Android Linux | Sep 12 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | they just say Android, the Linux part gets unknown by the main streame | Sep 12 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | shame realy, since some would maybe even look up Linux, and find out they can run it on their desktop PC, and so on from there | Sep 12 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | also Android doesn't have a version for a desktop PC, which is probably ashame really as well | Sep 12 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Linux is not a major component of Android | Sep 12 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Android is a lot more than a kernel | Sep 12 18:45 |
| Ender2070 | its just the kernel in android | Sep 12 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | mobile phones are eww | Sep 12 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | very propritary | Sep 12 18:45 |
| Ender2070 | most users who looked into it would expect android apps on their pc if they found out it had linux | Sep 12 18:45 |
| schestowitz | It would be nice if the site at least mentioned Linux | Sep 12 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | also unless you pay for a phone service, they are quite uesless | Sep 12 18:45 |
| schestowitz | "Linux inside" sticker? | Sep 12 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: indeed would be nice | Sep 12 18:46 |
| Ender2070 | thats like asking Apple to shove a "FreeBSD" inside sticker on OSX | Sep 12 18:46 |
| schestowitz | People will see Linux CD for the PC and say, "oh, it's the same as on my tablet, let's try this on the desktop" | Sep 12 18:46 |
| Ender2070 | ;) | Sep 12 18:46 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah mobile phone rather propritary. 1. pay for the hardware. 2. pay for the OS, be that propritary or open source, doesn't matter still paying for it. 3. pay for the phone service | Sep 12 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: Apple? Free? | Sep 12 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Get ER ready for Job | Sep 12 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Get ER ready for Jobs | Sep 12 18:46 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 18:47 |
| schestowitz | FreedomfromPornBSD | Sep 12 18:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn accents w/in !NYC have been disappearing, but I can still distinguish Queens from B'klyn (for speakers otherwise demograph. similar) | Sep 12 18:48 | |
| schestowitz | Logo/sticker of a devil going doggystyle on a penguin | Sep 12 18:49 |
| schestowitz | DeviLLVM | Sep 12 18:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Ugh, I hate referring to #New_York as "NYC"; it's like calling free software open source. | Sep 12 18:49 | |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 18:50 |
| *Diablo-D3 (~diablo@pool-68-238-49-17.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 18:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @anima109 is there a way to add buttons to share on #wordpress !ubuntu I wanna add #identi.ca and others << I'd like this !feature too | Sep 12 18:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right - http://bit.ly/bnxddg "the Earth is immobile in the center of the universe": riiiiiight | Sep 12 18:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Galileo Was Wrong .::. Size~: 43 KB | Sep 12 18:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] listening to the !tllts OLF ep | Sep 12 18:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] There's a spider on the wall and it has one leg missing. Poor thing :( | Sep 12 18:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @JPBarlow: Dream Team? Russian Gov't and Microsoft are jointly using IP law to stifle dissent. http://nyti.ms/PutinGates | Sep 12 18:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Interview with Pastor Jones' Daughter - http://bit.ly/d5rKJA "I saw genuine religious delusion" Der Spiegel is the best. (via @dweinberger) | Sep 12 18:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.04 KB | Sep 12 18:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Interview with Pastor Jones' Daughter: 'Papa, Don't Do It' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International .::. Size~: 36.05 KB | Sep 12 19:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ROFL the internet does give space to anybody, even those with very limited web design skills or imagination http://bit.ly/9ke1BU | Sep 12 19:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Galileo Was Wrong .::. Size~: 43 KB | Sep 12 19:01 |
| *TheMadHatter (63ee29d0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.238.41.208) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 19:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right - http://bit.ly/bnxddg "the Earth is immobile in the center of the universe": riii ... | Sep 12 19:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Galileo Was Wrong .::. Size~: 43 KB | Sep 12 19:04 |
| TheMadHatter | Roy, re Martin Goetz, Patently O appears to have removed his post. | Sep 12 19:05 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2010/09/guest-post-in-defense-of-software-patents-part-2.html | Sep 12 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 12 19:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] No P2P for Irish Vodaphone customers? – and then a change of mind? http://tinyurl.com/39kd2he !piratepartyuk !tpb !p2p !vodaphone | Sep 12 19:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] Russian Gov't and #Microsoft are jointly using IP law to stifle dissent. http://nyti.ms/PutinGates <- Solution? USE FREESOFTWARE! #copyfight | Sep 12 19:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: No P2P for Irish Vodaphone customers? and then a change of mind? « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 40.8 KB | Sep 12 19:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.04 KB | Sep 12 19:06 |
| TheMadHatter | Actually in Russia using free software isn't a defence, since the cops will claim you weren't. | Sep 12 19:08 |
| *_Goblin (~goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 19:11 | |
| TheMadHatter | Hey Tim. | Sep 12 19:11 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong/ | Sep 12 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Galileo Was Wrong .::. Size~: 43 KB | Sep 12 19:13 |
| TheMadHatter | Once again the non-scientists argue that scientists are stupid. Catholics should be up in arms over this one. | Sep 12 19:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody big panel of dishonest individuals, preaching to the gullible | Sep 12 19:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn the !tllts OLF raffle is pinprick quiet, talk about an attentive audience, hanging on every word....or just sleepin' ;) | Sep 12 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | fv[19:05] <TheMadHatter> Roy, re Martin Goetz, Patently O appears to have removed his post. | Sep 12 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Sep 12 19:17 |
| schestowitz | You know something..? | Sep 12 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I could never read it properly | Sep 12 19:17 |
| schestowitz | THe site was down | Sep 12 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I had to get it via Google cache | Sep 12 19:18 |
| schestowitz | So maybe they had data loss | Sep 12 19:18 |
| schestowitz | And thus restored from backup | Sep 12 19:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Interview with Pastor Jones' Daughter - http://bit.ly/d5rKJA "I saw genuine religious delusion" Der Spiegel is the best. | Sep 12 19:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @WebUpd8 I don't suppose you know if the !Ubuntu "Extras" preview #ppa carries much needed updates like Choqok beta and Gwibber? | Sep 12 19:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @schestowitz RT @glynmoody Interview with Pastor Jones' Daughter - http://bit.ly/d5rKJA "I saw genuine religious delusion" Der Spiege ... | Sep 12 19:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Interview with Pastor Jones' Daughter: 'Papa, Don't Do It' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International .::. Size~: 36.05 KB | Sep 12 19:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Interview with Pastor Jones' Daughter: 'Papa, Don't Do It' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International .::. Size~: 36.05 KB | Sep 12 19:18 |
| TheMadHatter | Maybe. It's not there anymore that I can see. | Sep 12 19:18 |
| TheMadHatter | And there's nothing posted saying it was being removed, it just disappeared. | Sep 12 19:18 |
| *Judas_PhD has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 12 19:19 | |
| TheMadHatter | Which is annoying, I wanted to read it :) | Sep 12 19:19 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: oh wait | Sep 12 19:19 |
| schestowitz | The site is up | Sep 12 19:19 |
| schestowitz | It seems like they removed it indeed | Sep 12 19:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ok, that's it. I am done with working on my project for the day, since yesterday I have worked on it for about 7 hours...time to relax! :) | Sep 12 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | And Google Cache had 0 comments at the time | Sep 12 19:20 |
| *Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 19:20 | |
| TheMadHatter | Do you have a copy? | Sep 12 19:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @thistleweb yeah, !tllts is one of the best, albeit super long | Sep 12 19:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @schestowitz won't get any argument from me on that one, 2hrs+ is VERY long. They tried to shorten it a while back but results vary | Sep 12 19:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] COMPIZ Showcase: What’s coming up in 0.9.2 - http://tinyurl.com/339qa4n !compiz !linux !foss | Sep 12 19:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: COMPIZ Showcase: Whats coming up in 0.9.2 « SmSpillaz Blog .::. Size~: 36.13 KB | Sep 12 19:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Tiny Core 3.1....great work! Who needs to build a custom distro online anymore? Thinking susestudio here... !linux !foss !tinycore | Sep 12 19:28 | |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.patentlyo.com%2Fpatent%2F2010%2F09%2Fguest-post-in-defense-of-software-patents-part-2.html | Sep 12 19:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Guest Post: In Defense of Software Patents – Part 2 - Patent Law Blog (Patently-O) .::. Size~: 74.62 KB | Sep 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | It's still there | Sep 12 19:29 |
| TheMadHatter | Thank you! | Sep 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Can you legally repost a copy | Sep 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | One I can link to? | Sep 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I don't know canadian copyright law | Sep 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | maybe fair use for being gone? | Sep 12 19:30 |
| TheMadHatter | BTW, did you read the first three articles in my Canadian Copyright series? The same issues apply to Britain re culture. | Sep 12 19:30 |
| schestowitz | YEs | Sep 12 19:30 |
| TheMadHatter | Can't post a copy, but can criticize it in detail, which is close to the same thing. | Sep 12 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I linked to them too | Sep 12 19:30 |
| schestowitz | You can | Sep 12 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Put rebuttal after each paragraph | Sep 12 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Like ESR did wirh Halloween DOcs | Sep 12 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Criticism is fair use | Sep 12 19:31 |
| schestowitz | But we need the rebuttal inline | Sep 12 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Put the copy in your blog, rebut in different colour | Sep 12 19:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: this sucks though | Sep 12 19:32 |
| TheMadHatter | I will be doing that. May take a while though, I've got some stuff going on. | Sep 12 19:32 |
| TheMadHatter | Which brings me to a problem - I need to do some cartoons for a project. What software would you recommend (GPL preferably). | Sep 12 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Nina Paley | Sep 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | She's GPL friendly, I think | Sep 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | There was some confrontation about the recently, though | Sep 12 19:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, I'm confused by this. !NYC is full contained within #NYS. Are you saying !Free Software is fully contained within Open Source? | Sep 12 19:34 | |
| TheMadHatter | Nina uses Adobe, I've talked to her already. | Sep 12 19:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | erm | Sep 12 19:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | woudlnt free software be fully contained in open source? | Sep 12 19:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | Free Software, license wise, are all licenses approved by the OSI (in fact, all the first licenses OSI approved were FSF ones) | Sep 12 19:35 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: dent is when you post a rebuttal | Sep 12 19:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @openbytes COMPIZ Showcase: What’s coming up in 0.9.2 - http://tinyurl.com/339qa4n !compiz !linux !foss | Sep 12 19:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: COMPIZ Showcase: Whats coming up in 0.9.2 « SmSpillaz Blog .::. Size~: 34.23 KB | Sep 12 19:38 |
| TheMadHatter | Will do. | Sep 12 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Then I can link it to my post, which links to a 404 now | Sep 12 19:38 |
| TheMadHatter | Sure, glad to help. | Sep 12 19:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you should delete the RT of my post | Sep 12 19:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | so the url isnt linked to | Sep 12 19:39 |
| schestowitz | It's too late | Sep 12 19:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | not for me it isnt | Sep 12 19:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | it got nuked. | Sep 12 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Those things are access within minutes | Sep 12 19:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | sure, but you dont have to CONTINUE providing the link | Sep 12 19:40 |
| schestowitz | OK | Sep 12 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Deleted | Sep 12 19:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes !tinycore is incredible for the size, a GUI OS that you can email as an attachment | Sep 12 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | I can always blame /you/ for pimping that link promoting dubious drugs :-) | Sep 12 19:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont blame me | Sep 12 19:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I got the link from hacker news | Sep 12 19:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | the entry for it seems to have been nuked there, though | Sep 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | hacker PR | Sep 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | $$$ | Sep 12 19:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | not at all | Sep 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Just teaing | Sep 12 19:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | hacker news is very legit | Sep 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | *teasing | Sep 12 19:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its also not well known | Sep 12 19:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | which I hope it stays that way | Sep 12 19:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | look what happened to digg and reddit | Sep 12 19:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | popularity == shit | Sep 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they got hacked by some PR hack | Sep 12 19:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem with HN is you cant downvote shit | Sep 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Neither can you in Digg... | Sep 12 19:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @Crosbie Whilst a bear must enforce its #private den itself, human beings empower governments to secure their natural right to #privacy. | Sep 12 19:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb yep..so much potential...its build from scratch attitude has me very interested as a deployment option for others. | Sep 12 19:43 | |
| Diablo-D3 | and I hate digg | Sep 12 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I participate in it again | Sep 12 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/schestowitz | Sep 12 19:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Digg - Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz) - Profile .::. Size~: 40.09 KB | Sep 12 19:44 |
| TheMadHatter | Downvoting can be problematical when groups decide to censor. | Sep 12 19:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | TheMadHatter: yes, but you can also be a total fucking dick and code a system that rejects "digg army" tactics | Sep 12 19:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | ie, if you don't submit content often, your votes are nearly worthless | Sep 12 19:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | and throw in account age too | Sep 12 19:45 |
| _Goblin | sounds like an over complicated method for something which has been always been worthless... | Sep 12 19:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | and also skew voting in a way that if your up/down voting trend skews in one direction too far, your votes are wroth less | Sep 12 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: well no | Sep 12 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd like to see a good site that brings me content | Sep 12 19:47 |
| TheMadHatter | Since I don't use Digg, that doesn't matter to me directly. I was just making the point that censoring things you don't like, isn't a good thing. | Sep 12 19:47 |
| _Goblin | I don't judge content on what others tell me. | Sep 12 19:47 |
| _Goblin | I make my own mind up | Sep 12 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: I didnt say JUDGE | Sep 12 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I said I merely want it brought to me | Sep 12 19:47 |
| _Goblin | ok... | Sep 12 19:47 |
| _Goblin | I don't look for indicators of good content | Sep 12 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: not techrights? | Sep 12 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, you post shit too late | Sep 12 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Daily links I mean | Sep 12 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Less than one day old | Sep 12 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive already seen most of the stuff by the time you post it | Sep 12 19:48 |
| _Goblin | but then some hindsight gives more scope for an encompassing article... | Sep 12 19:48 |
| _Goblin | look at torrentfreak which often has to edit an article with update: | Sep 12 19:48 |
| TheMadHatter | Damn this is annoying. You search for GPL Graphics software, and it keeps popping up proprietary junk. | Sep 12 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Blender? | Sep 12 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Xara Extreme? | Sep 12 19:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | TheMadHatter: just ask me, what are you looking for? | Sep 12 19:49 |
| _Goblin | themadhatter: have you seen my appology to you? :) | Sep 12 19:49 |
| Ender2070 | 14:43] <Diablo-D3> look what happened to digg and reddit | Sep 12 19:50 |
| Ender2070 | and slashdot | Sep 12 19:50 |
| TheMadHatter | I'm trying to do some one to four panel jpg type images. | Sep 12 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: slashdot always sucked | Sep 12 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | TheMadHatter: so... gimp? | Sep 12 19:50 |
| _Goblin | TheMadHatter: seems you were right when you mentioned the danger of the p2p/"piracy" link being created... | Sep 12 19:50 |
| TheMadHatter | In other words classical newspaper style cartons, not animated. | Sep 12 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | TheMadHatter: so you need vector stuff? | Sep 12 19:50 |
| TheMadHatter | Goblin - hey, that one was obvious. Just wait till you see where they are going next. | Sep 12 19:51 |
| Ender2070 | slashdot didnt always suck | Sep 12 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: I have a 5 digit UID | Sep 12 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | it sucks | Sep 12 19:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] 2.6.36-rc3-git5: Reported regressions from 2.6.35 http://bit.ly/95h28D | Sep 12 19:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gmane Loom .::. Size~: 0.47 KB | Sep 12 19:51 |
| Ender2070 | its a far cry to say digg was ever better | Sep 12 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | TheMadHatter: inkscape is basically the illustrator to gimp's photoshop | Sep 12 19:51 |
| TheMadHatter | Actually a decent paint program might work. I'm hoping to find something that has tutorials though :) | Sep 12 19:51 |
| TheMadHatter | never used illustrator of photoshop. have to admit that I don't know what they do really. | Sep 12 19:52 |
| *Diablo-D3 facepalms. | Sep 12 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.inkscape.org/ | Sep 12 19:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Inkscape. Draw Freely. .::. Size~: 15.38 KB | Sep 12 19:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | TheMadHatter: gimp and inkscape are both packaged in debian, go apt-get them. | Sep 12 19:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] This Week in !Debian is out http://tinyurl.com/2825kohvia @debian » MP3 » http://goo.gl/ppcM | Sep 12 19:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] @bkuhn: @fontana could mean it the other way around that freesoftware fully contains opensource... still probably not true but sounds better | Sep 12 19:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TinyURL.com - shorten that long URL into a tiny URL .::. Size~: 3.35 KB | Sep 12 19:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm | Sep 12 19:53 |
| *Diablo-D3 changes to tabs on top in firefox | Sep 12 19:53 | |
| Ender2070 | Diablo-D3 - there was once a time when digg was good? I missed it then | Sep 12 19:53 |
| *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Sep 12 19:53 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: I never said digg was good | Sep 12 19:53 |
| schestowitz | "less bad" | Sep 12 19:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | digg was just low volume at one time | Sep 12 19:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | which theoretically is good | Sep 12 19:54 |
| *TechrightsBot-tr (~b0t@216.105.40.114) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 19:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Ender2070 | i never liked digg | Sep 12 19:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 37.83 KB | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | reddit is what digg should have been | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Ender2070 | its run by the same fools who ran techtv | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | and k5 is what slashdot could have been | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Ender2070 | kevin rose | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | but k5 is basically fucking hipster wankery | Sep 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Reddit is filled with Digg's trolls | Sep 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | They moved to Reddit | Sep 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | The same usernames even | Sep 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I saw it | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no, reddit is filled with people who just hate digg | Sep 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | YEs | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | reddit was MADE by people who hate digg | Sep 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Trolls | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Ender2070 | reddit is all trolls | Sep 12 19:54 |
| schestowitz | They ruined Digg | Sep 12 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | not trolls, just people who hated trolls on digg | Sep 12 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Now they help ruin Reddit | Sep 12 19:55 |
| TheMadHatter | Pencil looks like a possibility. | Sep 12 19:55 |
| _Goblin | TheMadHatter: I'll reserve judgement, however I think its not far fetched to see a blanket ban on P2p protocols by some ISP's. | Sep 12 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Slashdot was ruined long ago | Sep 12 19:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats the problem with large communities | Sep 12 19:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have groups that antagonize each other | Sep 12 19:55 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin gets some major Microsoft trolls in his sites now, as well | Sep 12 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "Darryl" is ow trolling TechDirt | Sep 12 19:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | digg fell apart because it had no core community, so the PR groups just digg army shit | Sep 12 19:55 |
| schestowitz | They too get trolled now | Sep 12 19:55 |
| TheMadHatter | @_Goblin look for an attempt to outlaw alternative business models | Sep 12 19:55 |
| schestowitz | All the good sites | Sep 12 19:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | reddit fell apart because the core group just existed because they hate digg, they had nothing to bring | Sep 12 19:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | slashdot fell apart because, well, slashdot always sucked. so, really, slashdot hasnt actually changed | Sep 12 19:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, Im really hoping HN doesnt get popular | Sep 12 19:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | popularity == death | Sep 12 19:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and before anyone asks | Sep 12 19:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter and facebook never took off. | Sep 12 19:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | sure, they have billions of users, but so what? | Sep 12 19:57 |
| schestowitz | milliond | Sep 12 19:57 |
| schestowitz | millions | Sep 12 19:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | whatever | Sep 12 19:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what I mean | Sep 12 19:57 |
| schestowitz | And PR bots included | Sep 12 19:57 |
| schestowitz | "MySwatchWatch wants to be your friend..." | Sep 12 19:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter and facebook do not produce or repeat useful content | Sep 12 19:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | digg did very early on, and got popular==death | Sep 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz | "Iluv2cuddle4232 wants to be your friend..." | Sep 12 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | reddit did early on, became popular==death | Sep 12 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | slashdot will vote for cowboy neal in 2012 | Sep 12 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, meh | Sep 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz | MJ dies==became popular | Sep 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz | So it works in reverse too | Sep 12 19:58 |
| *Diablo-D3 kills roy | Sep 12 19:58 | |
| Diablo-D3 | roy is now popular! wee! | Sep 12 19:59 |
| schestowitz | My corpse is | Sep 12 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Until it's eaten away | Sep 12 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're too busy fucking you in the ass to even care if you're dead | Sep 12 19:59 |
| schestowitz | "Oh noes! My invisible soul up above the clouds!" | Sep 12 19:59 |
| TheMadHatter | We'll call on Sam Tyler to investigate. | Sep 12 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, you're uploading your soul to the cloud? | Sep 12 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | how cyberpunk. | Sep 12 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I'm feeling elastic today | Sep 12 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Put my liver on a VM and serve it to Reverend SteveJo" | Sep 12 20:00 |
| schestowitz | http://kecskebak.blogspot.com/2010/09/probably-ugliest-test-card-in-world.html | Sep 12 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kecske Bak: Probably The Ugliest Test Card In The World .::. Size~: 49.19 KB | Sep 12 20:01 |
| TheMadHatter | Or maybe Alex Drake. | Sep 12 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/09/orange_balls_as.html "Seems to me the best way to escape from a robbery would be to throw a bunch of orange balls at a crowd." | Sep 12 20:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Schneier on Security: Orange Balls as an Anti-Robbery Device .::. Size~: 50.98 KB | Sep 12 20:11 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 12 20:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Smart, Qualified People Behind the Scenes Keeping America Safe: 'We Don't Exist' http://ur1.ca/1lgob Onion, parody | Sep 12 20:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Smart, Qualified People Behind the Scenes Keeping America Safe: 'We Don't Exist' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 36.37 KB | Sep 12 20:13 |
| MinceR | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_MMl_FvdZKKY/StvVkj9wy2I/AAAAAAAASA4/CdZc3jB8iBQ/s800/podborlk.jpg | Sep 12 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 12 20:13 |
| TheMadHatter | Gotta love The Onion. | Sep 12 20:14 |
| *malacoda (~malacoda@cpe-68-206-255-156.satx.res.rr.com) has joined #techrights | Sep 12 20:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] VMWare goes above and beyond the call of failure http://ur1.ca/1lgoo | Sep 12 20:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Displaying FAILURE - The Daily WTF .::. Size~: 18.05 KB | Sep 12 20:16 |
| MinceR | that's something they should work on | Sep 12 20:17 |
| MinceR | vmware is so full of fail it should at least be able to display it | Sep 12 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Paul Maritz caused it ;-) | Sep 12 20:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @diablod3 VMWare goes above and beyond the call of failure http://ur1.ca/1lgoo | Sep 12 20:18 | |
| schestowitz | Make it feel like home (Microsoft) | Sep 12 20:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Displaying FAILURE - The Daily WTF .::. Size~: 18.05 KB | Sep 12 20:18 |
| TheMadHatter | VM Ware - ugh! | Sep 12 20:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Activists are not criminals http://ur1.ca/1lgqr They are not bad people, either. Respect those who defend you. | Sep 12 20:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Activists are not criminals | Greenpeace International .::. Size~: 93.89 KB | Sep 12 20:23 |
| TheMadHatter | Hey, this looks interesting, if not what I'm really looking for | Sep 12 20:23 |
| TheMadHatter | http://info.scratch.mit.edu/About_Scratch | Sep 12 20:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Welcome to the Scratch Documentation Website | Scratch Documentation Site .::. Size~: 10.44 KB | Sep 12 20:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Russian Police backed by Microsoft? - A dangerous combination and no surprise? http://tinyurl.com/36j4d9o !microsoft !ukpirateparty | Sep 12 20:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Russian Police backed by Microsoft? A dangerous combination and no surprise? « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 40.92 KB | Sep 12 20:26 |
| Ender2070 | whats wrong with Vmware | Sep 12 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary | Sep 12 20:29 |
| schestowitz | ANd run by several ex-Microsoft execs | Sep 12 20:29 |
| TheMadHatter | VMWare is also junk. | Sep 12 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Can't be trusted, friends with Ballnux/SLES now | Sep 12 20:29 |
| schestowitz | I.e. Microsoft-taxed Linux | Sep 12 20:29 |
| Ender2070 | ok there | Sep 12 20:29 |
| Ender2070 | theres oracle/apple taxed virtualbox as an alternative | Sep 12 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | or kvm | Sep 12 20:30 |
| TheMadHatter | Of course the Microsoft tax could be going away really soon now. | Sep 12 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | I wouldn't say vmware is junk though | Sep 12 20:30 |
| TheMadHatter | I would. | Sep 12 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | they have a NOS that runs entirely from Linux | Sep 12 20:30 |
| MinceR | i would too | Sep 12 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | whats better then | Sep 12 20:31 |
| MinceR | all 3 of my attempts to use it were disastrous | Sep 12 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | featurewise | Sep 12 20:31 |
| MinceR | i'd say both VirtualBox and KVM are better | Sep 12 20:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] How to make a Daft Punk helmet in 17 months http://ur1.ca/1lgt3 | Sep 12 20:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - How to make a Daft Punk helmet in 17 months .::. Size~: 112.51 KB | Sep 12 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | virtualbox is slower from my experiences | Sep 12 20:31 |
| TheMadHatter | Features don't matter - stability/reliability is more important. | Sep 12 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | the full version is also proprietary | Sep 12 20:31 |
| MinceR | then again, i've seen VirtualBox do horrible things | Sep 12 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | I wouldn't say virtualbox is better than vmware | Sep 12 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | kvm is better than both | Sep 12 20:32 |
| MinceR | and winblows seems to work worse from KVM than others | Sep 12 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | windows does suck inside kvm | Sep 12 20:32 |
| MinceR | i'd probably still choose KVM when it's adequate and VirtualBox otherwise | Sep 12 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | I love KVM | Sep 12 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | but I still think vmware is the second best option | Sep 12 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | for running windows | Sep 12 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | vmware player is just as free as virtualbox non-ose | Sep 12 20:33 |
| MinceR | can it create new images? | Sep 12 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Sep 12 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | the only thing missing from workstation is snapshot support now | Sep 12 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | we use it at my school, i like it a lot better than virtualbox | Sep 12 20:34 |
| MinceR | VB does have an OSE though, and vmware doesn't | Sep 12 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | guess which one works better in fedora | Sep 12 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | for running fedora | Sep 12 20:35 |
| MinceR | KVM? | Sep 12 20:35 |
| Ender2070 | well yes | Sep 12 20:35 |
| Ender2070 | i meant between vbox and vmware | Sep 12 20:35 |
| Ender2070 | fedora has vmware's drivers | Sep 12 20:35 |
| Ender2070 | :) | Sep 12 20:35 |
| Ender2070 | of course in kvm its even more flawless | Sep 12 20:36 |
| TheMadHatter | Here, try this: | Sep 12 20:36 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.youtube.com/user/guitwild#p/u/23/ZmkcT1pyGKI | Sep 12 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - guitwild's Channel .::. Size~: 97.93 KB | Sep 12 20:36 |
| Ender2070 | plus | Sep 12 20:36 |
| Ender2070 | if you run two fedora's in kvm, you use even less ram | Sep 12 20:36 |
| MinceR | then again, one can't use KVM alongside another virtualizer using VT-x or AMD-V | Sep 12 20:36 |
| Ender2070 | its trivial to turn it off | Sep 12 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | unless vbox is installed | Sep 12 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | its a bitch to get kvm working again with vbox | Sep 12 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | i've never had vbox uninstall cleanly | Sep 12 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | even with packages | Sep 12 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | well we all agree then | Sep 12 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | KVM is the best | Sep 12 20:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Cricket seems to have some prepaid but all of them require you buy their usb dongle. Hmm. #fb | Sep 12 20:38 | |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 12 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | half open source alternatives leave a lot to be desired | Sep 12 20:38 |
| MinceR | all virtualizers leave a lot to be desired | Sep 12 20:38 |
| MinceR | at least until there's a fix for the KVM/winblows combination | Sep 12 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Sep 12 20:39 |
| Ender2070 | not running windows | Sep 12 20:39 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 20:39 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 12 20:39 |
| Ender2070 | whatever happened to being able to virtualize enough of windows to play some directx games | Sep 12 20:39 |
| TheMadHatter | Gotta run - puppy wants out. Bye. | Sep 12 20:40 |
| *TheMadHatter has quit (Quit: Page closed) | Sep 12 20:40 | |
| Ender2070 | years ago people were telling me that we would be able to run games in vm's with direct hardware access | Sep 12 20:41 |
| MinceR | hasn't happened yet | Sep 12 20:41 |
| Ender2070 | you know that wil be the ultimate selling point | Sep 12 20:42 |
| MinceR | if it's even possible | Sep 12 20:44 |
| Ender2070 | it is possible | Sep 12 20:44 |
| MinceR | i see more hope for supporting 3d acceleration through paravirtualization (driver that connects to the virtualizer to do its stuff) | Sep 12 20:44 |
| Ender2070 | there is experimental 3d support in vbox | Sep 12 20:44 |
| Ender2070 | vmware fusion does it | Sep 12 20:45 |
| MinceR | and there's VMGL for a few virtualizers | Sep 12 20:45 |
| MinceR | including KVM, iirc | Sep 12 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.lucasbrouwers.nl/blog/2010/09/the-molbio-carnival-second-edition/ | Sep 12 20:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Molbio Carnival: second edition « Thoughtomics .::. Size~: 76.15 KB | Sep 12 20:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @thistleweb Yeah I'd second that one @popey - even now it sometimes takes me longer to find dependencies I need than to configure them :( | Sep 12 20:51 | |
| Diablo-D3 | btw | Sep 12 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the 3d support in vbox isnt experimental like you think | Sep 12 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just (almost blindly) repeats a large part of the ogl api to the host | Sep 12 20:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | and renders it into a fbo (or straight to the screen in some cases) | Sep 12 20:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | the d3d support is provided by wined3d, which is wine's d3d libs compiled on native windows | Sep 12 20:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | so the d3d calls are translated to ogl on the guest before being sent to the host | Sep 12 20:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: btw | Sep 12 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | vmgl isnt what you think it is | Sep 12 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | it works a lot like vbox does, but it just hijacks the GL lib | Sep 12 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | and only works on X guest and X host | Sep 12 20:57 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 12 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt emulate any hardware or drivers | Sep 12 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of work done by vmgl has ended up in vbox | Sep 12 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Can't vm Gnome Shell or Unity :( | Sep 12 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: why not? | Sep 12 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | vbox supports gl passthrough for linux guests too | Sep 12 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: doesn't work | Sep 12 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, yes, it DOES work | Sep 12 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: no not from when I tried and a load of other people | Sep 12 20:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just suspect gnome shell and unity are coded wrong | Sep 12 20:59 |
| Ender2070 | oh yeah by the way | Sep 12 20:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they shouldnt be USING gl | Sep 12 20:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they should be using xrender | Sep 12 20:59 |
| Ender2070 | ksplice is free as in beer for fedora users | Sep 12 21:00 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: no I don't think they use gl | Sep 12 21:00 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: they use something called clutter | Sep 12 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: clutter is just a drawing api frontend | Sep 12 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | it can use many things | Sep 12 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | clutter and cairo go together very well | Sep 12 21:00 |
| Ender2070 | ksplice kicks ass | Sep 12 21:00 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: and they don't work in vm | Sep 12 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, they do | Sep 12 21:00 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: from my experience and a load of other people | Sep 12 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you have to have them configured correctly | Sep 12 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | ie, what upstream default uses | Sep 12 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | but since ubuntu is for fags, who cares. | Sep 12 21:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | fags dont like getting work done since the only work they know is sucking on dicks | Sep 12 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: and Unity doesn't even work without propritary Nivida driver | Sep 12 21:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | then unity is just a pile of shit | Sep 12 21:02 |
| sebsebseb | and I guess Gnome Shell as wel, for those with Nivida cards | Sep 12 21:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnome should be rejected for supporting broken closed source software | Sep 12 21:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | only a complete idiot would use nvidia hardware on linux | Sep 12 21:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | its buggy, its closed source, and it breaks frequently | Sep 12 21:02 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: actsually Nivida is known to have the best graphics card support for Linux, even though they are closed | Sep 12 21:03 |
| MinceR | actually nvidia provides the better support out of the two high-end vendors | Sep 12 21:03 |
| _Goblin | Ive had no issues on any nvidia card. | Sep 12 21:03 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: sounds like might not need the propritary Nivida driver for Gnome Shell | Sep 12 21:03 |
| Ender2070 | [16:01] <Diablo-D3> but since ubuntu is for fags, who cares. | Sep 12 21:04 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Sep 12 21:04 |
| Ender2070 | I have nvidia hardware | Sep 12 21:05 |
| Ender2070 | I've had no issues | Sep 12 21:05 |
| Ender2070 | nouveau even works nicely | Sep 12 21:05 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Nividia tends to work well with Linux distros | Sep 12 21:05 |
| _Goblin | Im sorry Diablo-D3 I challenge your Ubuntu remark. I refuse to stay here while you comment like that. | Sep 12 21:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | well yeah | Sep 12 21:06 |
| *_Goblin has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) | Sep 12 21:06 | |
| Diablo-D3 | if your shit works with nouvaeu fine | Sep 12 21:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | but nvidia has almost sued nouvaeu devs before | Sep 12 21:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, wtf is _goblin's problem? | Sep 12 21:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | he supports microsoft or something? | Sep 12 21:06 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: maybe he thought you were being homophobic | Sep 12 21:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, I just hate ubuntu. | Sep 12 21:06 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Why? | Sep 12 21:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Because it took everything right with debian and flushed it down the drain | Sep 12 21:07 |
| Ender2070 | anyone who really loves linux will hate ubuntu | Sep 12 21:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then they took what was left and combined it what was wrong with fedora | Sep 12 21:07 |
| sebsebseb | hate is a strong word | Sep 12 21:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but sure dislike | Sep 12 21:07 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: they are trying to go main streame, and well most software that is mainstreame, sucks | Sep 12 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | so yep Ubuntu is starting to suck now for people like us | Sep 12 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian was mainstream enough | Sep 12 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | Diablo-D3: so just ignore it | Sep 12 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: cant | Sep 12 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | starting to suck well its been since 9.04 | Sep 12 21:08 |
| Ender2070 | fedora plans to go the ubuntu route too | Sep 12 21:08 |
| Ender2070 | using stale old software | Sep 12 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | people keep bringing it up | Sep 12 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and people keep talking about gnome 3 | Sep 12 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | excuses | Sep 12 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | however for the main streame, those who don't really care much about computer, Ubuntu is better than Windows and Mac OS X, for a lot of them | Sep 12 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish gnome 3 would just die already | Sep 12 21:08 |
| MinceR | i'm afraid it's going where we can no longer ignore it | Sep 12 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnome 3 is microsoft's major route to bring mono as a core dependency of linux | Sep 12 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: What? | Sep 12 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and ubuntu is the biggest pro-gnome 3 supporter | Sep 12 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | so fuck all of them | Sep 12 21:09 |
| Ender2070 | +1 | Sep 12 21:09 |
| MinceR | gnome 3 is mono-based? | Sep 12 21:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Gnome 3 will bring Mono? Do you think this as well? | Sep 12 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | whats it like to be obsessed with something you won't ever use? | Sep 12 21:09 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: as far as I know it isn't | Sep 12 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: because what happens when everyone starts using mono | Sep 12 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | because OH HEY ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR GNOME SO ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME | Sep 12 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what happens? | Sep 12 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | 10 years from now, Ill be _forced_ to use mono | Sep 12 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | so don't use it | Sep 12 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | because there wont be any good software left | Sep 12 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | nobodys forcing you to do anything | Sep 12 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats what happens when you ignore them | Sep 12 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | people called Ryan/DeamonFC a troll, well Diablo-D3 and Ender2070 are like him at times, as well | Sep 12 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you either fight these assholes, or they win | Sep 12 21:10 |
| Ender2070 | if you ignore them they win | Sep 12 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they arent going to fucking win if Im still around | Sep 12 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | don't like ubuntu or their decisions? fine, don't use them | Sep 12 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | Am I pretty much the only one that came to the channel, that didn't get annoyed by Ryan? | Sep 12 21:10 |
| Ender2070 | because if you leave them alone, nobody is standing against them | Sep 12 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: nope, I have daemonfc on ignore | Sep 12 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: he doesn't come here | Sep 12 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, but he was in #bn | Sep 12 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: he got banned or whatever and yeah, bye bye Ryan | Sep 12 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah | Sep 12 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like | Sep 12 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: after the ban? | Sep 12 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Microsoft is dying | Sep 12 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish they'd just DO IT ALREADY | Sep 12 21:11 |
| MinceR | 221014 < sebsebseb> Am I pretty much the only one that came to the channel, that didn't get annoyed by Ryan? | Sep 12 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | stop wasting my fucking time | Sep 12 21:11 |
| MinceR | probably | Sep 12 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | quit trying to follow me around like some fucking puppy dog | Sep 12 21:11 |
| ThistleWeb | it's one thing to dislike ubuntu's decisions, but belittling, judging etc their users | Sep 12 21:11 |
| Ender2070 | they die slower if we adopt their technologies | Sep 12 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | my OS is better, my workflow is better, and my dick is fucking gigantic | Sep 12 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | bill gates can ride up and down on it like a bitch. | Sep 12 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Sep 12 21:12 |
| ThistleWeb | aka "ubuntu is for fags, newbies etc" | Sep 12 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | it is | Sep 12 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah well, Diablo-D3 and Ender2070 are the type who will say stuff like that | Sep 12 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | ThistleWeb, you've never been to ubuntu forums | Sep 12 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | OH GOD | Sep 12 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | THE UBUNTU FORUMS | Sep 12 21:12 |
| MinceR | 221138 < Diablo-D3> bill gates can ride up and down on it like a bitch. | Sep 12 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | IIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | Sep 12 21:12 |
| MinceR | that's pretty gay | Sep 12 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: his asshole is pretty tight, so who cares | Sep 12 21:13 |
| MinceR | that's even gayer | Sep 12 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | and you who DONT use it, have what reason to go there? other than to find excuses to bash it | Sep 12 21:13 |
| Ender2070 | people you know, link to there | Sep 12 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, and google keeps returning results for it | Sep 12 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | and sometimes I dont see the url in time | Sep 12 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | and clearly they also put a gun to your head forcing you to click on it | Sep 12 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so Im exposed to this ... this..... I dont know! | Sep 12 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like a field of stupid | Sep 12 21:14 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Ender2070 I have mixed feelings when it comes to Ubuntu since 9.04, sometimes I find it ok, other times I quite dislike it, depends | Sep 12 21:14 |
| Ender2070 | regardless of my reason to be there, its still full of the worst social rejects the world has seen | Sep 12 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: dude | Sep 12 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | then when you get there. they force you to read it rather than see the url starting to load and click close | Sep 12 21:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | its worse than, like, internal FSF mailing lists | Sep 12 21:14 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Ender2070 However what doesn't change is that, I think that really loads of computer users would be better off using Ubuntu, instead of WIndows or Mac OS X | Sep 12 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | this is like the people who complain about radio or TV stations, who seem to be oblivious to the fact that there's a channel switcher and an off button | Sep 12 21:15 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Ender2070 Also reminder most of them are pretty thick when it comes to the computer, so would get viruses and what not in Windows, and be more safe on Ubuntu | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Ender2070 | i half agree with you | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: yes but | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | as a software author | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | I HAVE TO SUPPORT UBUNTU | Sep 12 21:15 |
| ThistleWeb | no you dont | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Ender2070 | a lot of 'computer users' couldn't pass a literacy test | Sep 12 21:15 |
| sebsebseb | and web designers stil have to support IE 6 | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | AND IM NOT GOING TO | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Sep 12 21:15 |
| sebsebseb | or well not quite now | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im going to fork bugzilla | Sep 12 21:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still loads of retarded businesses using IE 6 | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and have it autoclose any bug as wontfix | Sep 12 21:15 |
| sebsebseb | since intranet | Sep 12 21:15 |
| ThistleWeb | you could easily tell ubuntu users who ask for help what you really think of them...oh wait, they may not appreciate that | Sep 12 21:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | if it says "ubuntu" or "fedora" | Sep 12 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | why can't they send out a decant browser out for browsing the web though? | Sep 12 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually | Sep 12 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck cant we just have a browser OS | Sep 12 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: who was that aimed at? | Sep 12 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | that it runs all in the browser | Sep 12 21:16 |
| Ender2070 | ChromeOS | Sep 12 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: uhmm ChromeiumOS/ChromeOS? | Sep 12 21:16 |
| Ender2070 | :D | Sep 12 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | was for Diablo-D3 | Sep 12 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | and linux would just be firefox running borderless on the framebuffer or some shit | Sep 12 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | who "has" to support ubuntu | Sep 12 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: thing with Ubuntu as Desktop Linux users | Sep 12 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | I'd rather use chromeos, it already works | Sep 12 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | you could just be honest and tell them to fuck off back to windows | Sep 12 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: even those would would like to ignore it | Sep 12 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: I have | Sep 12 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | repeatedly | Sep 12 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: can't do so, so easily, because Linux news and what not, will be on about Ubuntu | Sep 12 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I want to get tshirts printed with that | Sep 12 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | as well as people on IRC | Sep 12 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | some users would be better off just going back the fuck off to windows | Sep 12 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | and identica | Sep 12 21:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and mail them out to people who dont get the message | Sep 12 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | which projects do you have a connection to? just so I can avoid them | Sep 12 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont see the point in helping devs who are obnoxious | Sep 12 21:18 |
| Ender2070 | do you think people like Balmer have the patience to figure out compiz ? | Sep 12 21:18 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | as for online Ubuntu support, most just want to use the support person for that, they don't want to build up an online friendship or anything, which is ashame | Sep 12 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck | Sep 12 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what | Sep 12 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im going to write a game | Sep 12 21:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | that runs in a browser | Sep 12 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | in fact I even had a Canadian girl who would do this with me, last year here and there, but at least she was honest with me all along | Sep 12 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | that she just wanted to use me for tech support really | Sep 12 21:19 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah go for it, but which projects do you have a connection to now? | Sep 12 21:19 |
| MinceR | lol @ Diablo-D3's latest GUI madness | Sep 12 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | girl, well young lady | Sep 12 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | also can spend hours with someone helping with Ubuntu and well | Sep 12 21:19 |
| Ender2070 | the funniest thing I think is the people who volunteer to help these idiots on ubuntu forums who are not getting paid | Sep 12 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | yep they don't stay in touch useually even so | Sep 12 21:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] New blog post: Updated sensorMote's server http://serkokatsikian.net/?p=396 | Sep 12 21:19 | |
| sebsebseb | I am on about people from the net here, from IRC and that kind of thing | Sep 12 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: hitchiking the digital universe » Updated sensorMotes server .::. Size~: 31.43 KB | Sep 12 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | also some people don't really deserve to be on an OS that isn't Windows | Sep 12 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | and heres why | Sep 12 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | they treat the support person. like a POS | Sep 12 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | some people just need facebook | Sep 12 21:20 |
| *Judas_PhD has quit (Quit: This is a quitting message) | Sep 12 21:20 | |
| sebsebseb | and a very nasty to them as a result | Sep 12 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | and are rather nasty, above | Sep 12 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | I had someone like that | Sep 12 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | before | Sep 12 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | from the net | Sep 12 21:21 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: those people would increase winblows market share, installed base and mindshare, though | Sep 12 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: IM GONNA DO IT MAN | Sep 12 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | I decided to hep him anyway, well try to, but as time went on, the guy became even more of a dick head | Sep 12 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I SWEAR | Sep 12 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ill even sell, like, android tablets | Sep 12 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they dont run android | Sep 12 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | or even a real OS | Sep 12 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just connects to my game | Sep 12 21:21 |
| cubevector | sebsebseb, you can't help people like that | Sep 12 21:21 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 21:21 |
| ThistleWeb | Diablo-D3: will you tell us which projects you currently do so we can choose to avoid them? | Sep 12 21:21 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: what game? | Sep 12 21:21 |
| cubevector | they don't deserve help | Sep 12 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: yeah I learnt after that guy | Sep 12 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: I really did learn | Sep 12 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: well, if you run linux, you could, possibly, be running my code. | Sep 12 21:22 |
| ThistleWeb | specifically> | Sep 12 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: and in the end they have to be on Windows anyway really, because of their rubbish hardware | Sep 12 21:22 |
| ThistleWeb | thats as clear as MS saying linux infringes lots of patents | Sep 12 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | ThistleWeb might even be running code written by Ulrich Dapper, biggest asshole in FOSS | Sep 12 21:22 |
| ThistleWeb | without telling us which ones | Sep 12 21:22 |
| cubevector | usually hardware isn't the problem, it's lack of programming specifications | Sep 12 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: well, Ive been coding for ten years, and Ive sort of lost track of whos using my code | Sep 12 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: so, basically, give up open source altogether | Sep 12 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'll be safer that way | Sep 12 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: exactly those that don't deserve help, don't realy deserve to be on a Linux distro, so let them be on Windows | Sep 12 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | he might want to avoid GCC | Sep 12 21:23 |
| Ender2070 | Ulrich Dapper | Sep 12 21:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: we don't need idiots using Desktop Linux | Sep 12 21:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I mean when it comes to market share, maybe if its lots of them, but otherwise nah | Sep 12 21:23 |
| Ender2070 | Ulrich is like three Diablo-D3's | Sep 12 21:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: dude | Sep 12 21:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | give him credit | Sep 12 21:23 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: most of the users are idiots | Sep 12 21:23 |
| Ender2070 | I do | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes like four or five mes | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | he might be an asshole but hes fucking smart | Sep 12 21:24 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: so if we want driver and app support, we'll probably need those idiots | Sep 12 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I meant idiots as in not very nice people | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | he knows his shit | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | i figure | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, we're measuring in intelligence? | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | more like, 1 me | Sep 12 21:24 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: most people are not nice people | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | the smarter someone is, the more of an asshole they turn into | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | in assholeishness? easily 5 mes | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | social skills take the backburner | Sep 12 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: most people are reaasonable, but quite a lot aren't | Sep 12 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, mingo? a quarter of my intelligence and at least 2 or 3 mes in asshole powers | Sep 12 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: there are some right arse holes out there, and they may as well use Windows | Sep 12 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: the problem is | Sep 12 21:25 |
| *ThistleWeb is gonna bow out of this convo, maybe it'll get better later on | Sep 12 21:25 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: or they could use ubuntu | Sep 12 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: unless there are so many of them, that we need them to be using Desktop Linux really, to hep it gain a more proper market share | Sep 12 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know absolutely fucking brilliant coders | Sep 12 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | who arent assholes | Sep 12 21:25 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Sep 12 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know why you've never heard of them? | Sep 12 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're not assholes. | Sep 12 21:25 |
| Ender2070 | but the real geniuses I've noticed suffer in the social dept | Sep 12 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | loads of idiots go to Ubuntu as well or maybe not idiots, but ignorant fan boys, who think its like the best thing since sliced bread as the saying goes | Sep 12 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | ok I used to be like that, but not anymore, been over a year now :) | Sep 12 21:25 |
| MinceR | because you haven't noticed the ones who don't suffer there | Sep 12 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | anyway loads of them on | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: well, if you actually know your stuff, you DONT have to be nice | Sep 12 21:26 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Sep 12 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OMG! Ubuntu! | Everything Ubuntu. Daily. .::. Size~: 53.53 KB | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | +1 | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | infact, being nice is a problem | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | thats the point | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | but | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | otoh | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | if you know your shit | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are total assholes who are just egotists. | Sep 12 21:26 |
| MinceR | even if you don't have to be nice, you can be | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | they DONT know their shit | Sep 12 21:26 |
| MinceR | "it's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!" | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | true | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | but for people who DO know their shit, all of you assholes are nails begging to be hammered down | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | its easy to figure out if they are talking shit though | Sep 12 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you dont look like a nail, then they wont have to hammer you down | Sep 12 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | and a bit off the subject really, but in my experience, the girls tend to go for the guys who are idiot morons, when it comes to relationships as well | Sep 12 21:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: no | Sep 12 21:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | they like assholes | Sep 12 21:27 |
| Ender2070 | sebsebseb - girls often go for assholes | Sep 12 21:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | for the above mentioned reasons | Sep 12 21:27 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Ender2070 yes thats what I meant | Sep 12 21:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | generally, assholes are assholes because they know shit | Sep 12 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | and no wonder the divorce rate is so high in the world | Sep 12 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Sep 12 21:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | but there are too many assholes who are faux assholes | Sep 12 21:27 |
| Ender2070 | assholes are also full of confidence | Sep 12 21:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: but | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the assholes full of shit that ruin it for us | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | ... | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | ARGH THE PUN | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | WHAT HAVE I DONE | Sep 12 21:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] HTC Desire gets software updates http://www.t3.com/news/htc-desire-gets-software-updates?=48989 !htc !android !desire !mobile | Sep 12 21:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HTC Desire gets software updates | T3 magazine .::. Size~: 26.56 KB | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | it burnnnns | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Sep 12 21:28 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 12 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | its like they are naturally attracted to these total idiot guys | Sep 12 21:28 |
| *MinceR golfclaps for Diablo-D3 | Sep 12 21:28 | |
| Diablo-D3 | wow | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats just bad | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | what did I do | Sep 12 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah I guess thats it right there | Sep 12 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | and if your a nice guy, and on top of that a computer geek, well good luck getting a girl friend | Sep 12 21:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: well no, they're attracted to assholes | Sep 12 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | but there are few genuine assholes | Sep 12 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, if you have a lether jacket and a bike | Sep 12 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're not an asshole | Sep 12 21:29 |
| cubevector | most programmers will try to help | Sep 12 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I will look down at you | Sep 12 21:29 |
| cubevector | unless it's old stuff they've forgotten about | Sep 12 21:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just when you think the elitist Linux snobs have been all but weeded out, you find a new hotbed of arrogant arseholes | Sep 12 21:29 | |
| Diablo-D3 | now | Sep 12 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you have a billion dollar company | Sep 12 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | then you're totally cool with me | Sep 12 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | unless you're a douchebag | Sep 12 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | then I'll kick your ass | Sep 12 21:30 |
| Ender2070 | you kind of remind me of maddox | Sep 12 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think maddox was greatly inspired by me | Sep 12 21:30 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: uhmm at your indentica message, whats that about? this channel? | Sep 12 21:30 |
| Ender2070 | I was inspired by maddox | Sep 12 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: what do you think? | Sep 12 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should just start a religion | Sep 12 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | a religion that promotes anti-douchebaggery | Sep 12 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I think it was about Diablo-D3 and Ender2070 | Sep 12 21:31 |
| Ender2070 | I might like such religion | Sep 12 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | God's 0th commandment: DONT BE A DOUCHEBAG | Sep 12 21:31 |
| Ender2070 | and you can get a tax write off | Sep 12 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the rest are subsets of the 0th commandment | Sep 12 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: dude, I barely pay taxes at it is | Sep 12 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im such an asshole that other assholes wont hire me because they'll afraid I'll take over the company | Sep 12 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | self employed? | Sep 12 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and even if I mask my supreme asshole powers, they know | Sep 12 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | THEY KNOOWWW | Sep 12 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | my asshole powers are over 9000 | Sep 12 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3 = troll type | Sep 12 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: somewhat. | Sep 12 21:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | although self employed implies I make money | Sep 12 21:33 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070 = secret Ubuntu lover | Sep 12 21:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb = noob | Sep 12 21:33 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I thought there was an IRC policy about trolling in here too after ryan | Sep 12 21:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | the policy was enacted on my request, imo | Sep 12 21:33 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: schestowitz doesn't seem to be around | Sep 12 21:33 |
| ThistleWeb | that's my guess | Sep 12 21:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know | Sep 12 21:33 |
| sebsebseb | however tessier has op | Sep 12 21:34 |
| Ender2070 | they want to kick us out for disliking ubuntu | Sep 12 21:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | what the fuck is this tabs on top shit | Sep 12 21:34 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: no the swearing I think mainly | Sep 12 21:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | chrome does it | Sep 12 21:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | ff4 does it for people who dont set it back | Sep 12 21:34 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: and the way you say stuff | Sep 12 21:34 |
| ThistleWeb | Ender2070: you seem to be confusing "disliking ubuntu" with "finding excuses to constantly attack it, belittle, and stereotype its users etc" | Sep 12 21:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one HAS to attack ubuntu | Sep 12 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | everyone has their opinion | Sep 12 21:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone whos used it long enough will eventually hate it | Sep 12 21:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just a matter of time. | Sep 12 21:35 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: loads who have used it a lot, start dislikeing it | Sep 12 21:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not saying it wont happen with debian too, but I can out hate any other distro in spades | Sep 12 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | 'finding excuses to constantly promote it, support, and apologize for its users etc' | Sep 12 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | troll | Sep 12 21:35 |
| cubevector | I don't attack Ubuntu, I just prefer other distros | Sep 12 21:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | I attack stupidity in any form | Sep 12 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | i can make up defs too | Sep 12 21:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: :) | Sep 12 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ubuntu just happens to be the stupidity of the week | Sep 12 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/week/month/ | Sep 12 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/month/year/ | Sep 12 21:36 |
| Ender2070 | before buntu it was linspire and xandros | Sep 12 21:36 |
| ThistleWeb | ya know what? I've had enough | Sep 12 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and is probably in the running for stupidity of the year award | Sep 12 21:36 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: enjoy it | Sep 12 21:36 |
| *sebsebseb expresses negative opinions about Ubuntu at times, but doesn't attack it | Sep 12 21:36 | |
| Diablo-D3 | And just remember everyone | Sep 12 21:36 |
| ThistleWeb | this ain't worth it | Sep 12 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you like Ubuntu, you hate Free Software. | Sep 12 21:36 |
| *ThistleWeb (~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has left #techrights ("Ex-Chat") | Sep 12 21:36 | |
| Ender2070 | +1 | Sep 12 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | oooooh | Sep 12 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | ff4 has finally added perm tabs | Sep 12 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/beta/features/ | Sep 12 21:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Firefox 4 Beta Features .::. Size~: 30.27 KB | Sep 12 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | well "app" tabs | Sep 12 21:38 |
| Ender2070 | more features from chrome | Sep 12 21:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but if chrome wasnt a pile of shit, I'd use it | Sep 12 21:39 |
| cubevector | it's interesting to me that Linux is ahead of BSD, even though BSD had a big head-start | Sep 12 21:39 |
| Ender2070 | same with firefox | Sep 12 21:39 |
| Ender2070 | i need a multi threaded aware browser | Sep 12 21:39 |
| cubevector | net/1 goes all the way back to 1989 | Sep 12 21:39 |
| cubevector | BSD on 386's | Sep 12 21:40 |
| Ender2070 | still looking for old OS's to run on your current pc cubevector? | Sep 12 21:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm | Sep 12 21:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder how I use apps tab on firefox | Sep 12 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | should be simple | Sep 12 21:43 |
| MinceR | i need a browser that doesn't suck | Sep 12 21:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahh | Sep 12 21:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | right click on the tab | Sep 12 21:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | and hit pin as app | Sep 12 21:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | ooh! | Sep 12 21:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and pin as app works across panorama groups | Sep 12 21:50 |
| cubevector | midori isn't bad for a browser | Sep 12 21:52 |
| MinceR | what's a panorama groups | Sep 12 21:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Back after a week of vacation - was nice to get away. :-) | Sep 12 21:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Microsoft says IE9 is faster than Chrome and Firefox... but wheres my Linux support? http://ur1.ca/1lheg | Sep 12 21:54 | |
| MinceR | s/s$/?/ | Sep 12 21:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Architecture of Full Hardware Acceleration of All Web Page Content - IEBlog - Site Home - MSDN Blogs .::. Size~: 111.71 KB | Sep 12 21:54 |
| MinceR | midori isn't bad until it locks up | Sep 12 21:55 |
| MinceR | and then it just sucks | Sep 12 21:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | panorama = candy tabs | Sep 12 21:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a built in system to have tab groups so I dont have to window spam | Sep 12 21:55 |
| cubevector | huh, wikipedia says IE is down to 52% share | Sep 12 21:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: I usually spawn new windows on subtasks | Sep 12 21:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | so I can easily have 10 to 20 windows open | Sep 12 21:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | each with dozens of tabs | Sep 12 21:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | so Im now consolidating them down to major tasks | Sep 12 21:59 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 12 21:59 |
| MinceR | i prefer Taboo and/or bookmarks | Sep 12 22:00 |
| MinceR | and yet i have tons of tabs currently... | Sep 12 22:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | taboo? | Sep 12 22:00 |
| MinceR | firefox extension | Sep 12 22:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | never heard of it | Sep 12 22:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | but | Sep 12 22:01 |
| MinceR | turns tabs into thumbnail-like things that remember position | Sep 12 22:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | it looks similar to panorama | Sep 12 22:01 |
| MinceR | and are searchable | Sep 12 22:01 |
| MinceR | their resource usage seems to be like that of bookmarks | Sep 12 22:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Just added @michelenlared to my gag list in !elmdentica. Other clients should add this anti troll feature | Sep 12 22:06 | |
| cubevector | well at least FF is big enough in the market, web devs can't ignore it | Sep 12 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: and if Ubuntu went main streame | Sep 12 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | Open Office and Firefox would be even more used as well | Sep 12 22:09 |
| cubevector | honestly I try to avoid OO | Sep 12 22:10 |
| cubevector | first I use tools like ppt2text | Sep 12 22:10 |
| cubevector | or xls2csv, etc etc | Sep 12 22:10 |
| cubevector | VL doesn't install OO off the bat | Sep 12 22:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] When you mark all possible updates in #Synaptic in !Ubuntu - does that include proposed as well as recommend updates? | Sep 12 22:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Albisetti's blog: Making usability part of the development process http://goo.gl/RDlF | Sep 12 22:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Will Google's Chrome OS be dead on arrival? (ComputerWorld) http://lwn.net/Articles/404621/rss | Sep 12 22:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Martin Albisetti » Blog Archive » Making usability part of the development process .::. Size~: 11.41 KB | Sep 12 22:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Will Google's Chrome OS be dead on arrival? (ComputerWorld) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.04 KB | Sep 12 22:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Africa and the Imminent Domination of !Android | GHABUNTU http://ow.ly/2D3Yo | Sep 12 22:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Africa and the Imminent Domination of Android | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 66.8 KB | Sep 12 22:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Blender 2.54 Beta Released http://ow.ly/2D435 | Sep 12 22:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Blender 2.54 Beta Released | BlenderNation .::. Size~: 30.04 KB | Sep 12 22:30 |
| Ender2070 | cubevector - i prefer to write stuff down on paper | Sep 12 22:40 |
| Ender2070 | with ink | Sep 12 22:40 |
| Ender2070 | of course one day i might realize that my pen is proprietary | Sep 12 22:41 |
| MinceR | i prefer digital information storage | Sep 12 22:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google Instant spews many more results for many more queries. Will so-called market share surveys buckle? | Sep 12 22:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] 3 days 'till hacking time - #diaspora @joindiaspora | Sep 12 22:43 | |
| Ender2070 | what if you don't have electricity | Sep 12 22:43 |
| MinceR | if it's temporary, much of my equipment still works | Sep 12 22:44 |
| MinceR | if it's persistent then i'll have to find means to generate power anyway | Sep 12 22:44 |
| Ender2070 | you'll be in for a surprise in 2 years | Sep 12 22:44 |
| MinceR | "you can't grep a dead tree" | Sep 12 22:44 |
| MinceR | what will happen in 2 years? | Sep 12 22:45 |
| Ender2070 | didn't you see all the movies? | Sep 12 22:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 12 22:45 |
| Ender2070 | you should have heard alex jones about y2k | Sep 12 22:46 |
| MinceR | nah, simply magic will be more accessible 2 years from now | Sep 12 22:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 12 22:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @schestowitz Google Instant spews many more results for many more queries. Will so-called market share surveys buckle? | Sep 12 22:46 | |
| Ender2070 | 'the nsa is going to use y2k to send military marching to your homes' | Sep 12 22:46 |
| Ender2070 | and shit | Sep 12 22:47 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 12 22:47 |
| Ender2070 | on dec 31st 1999 he was reporting blackouts all over the country | Sep 12 22:48 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeuPU1agi98 | Sep 12 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Alex Jones: The Russians are gonna nuke us - Y2K Broadcast .::. Size~: 123.8 KB | Sep 12 22:49 |
| Ender2070 | ROFLMAO | Sep 12 22:49 |
| cubevector | tch | Sep 12 22:50 |
| cubevector | Alex Jones, smarten up | Sep 12 22:50 |
| cubevector | he's going back to McCarthyism | Sep 12 22:50 |
| Ender2070 | 'THEY TOOK THE SHORTWAVE DOWN!!!!' | Sep 12 22:51 |
| Ender2070 | this guys a nut | Sep 12 22:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Advice for Non-Tech Computer Users: Internet Security Tip #1 spam http://ur1.ca/1lhqt new !StopUBB post | Sep 12 22:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @Valleywag: Buy Your Very Own Facebook Illuminati Hoodie http://gawker.com/5636079/ | Sep 12 22:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Internet Security Tip #1 spam « Stop Usage Based Billing .::. Size~: 47.31 KB | Sep 12 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Buy Your Very Own Facebook Illuminati Hoodie .::. Size~: 74.32 KB | Sep 12 22:51 |
| MinceR | ew, comes with zuckerberg sweat | Sep 12 22:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: Activists are not criminals http://ur1.ca/1lgqr They are not bad people, either. Respect those who defend you. | Sep 12 22:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Activists are not criminals | Greenpeace International .::. Size~: 88.9 KB | Sep 12 22:58 |
| *Ender2070 l | Sep 12 23:02 | |
| *Ender2070 burns cubevector with the free software torch, for not being free enough | Sep 12 23:02 | |
| MinceR | whoa, i just read a pcworld article about gnu/linux that didn't attack gnu/linux | Sep 12 23:05 |
| cubevector | whoa! | Sep 12 23:06 |
| MinceR | i think it was linked here >> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/205298/here_you_have_isnt_ | Sep 12 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 'Here You Have' Is a Windows Problem - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 66.27 KB | Sep 12 23:06 |
| cubevector | I rarely see any good articles | Sep 12 23:06 |
| cubevector | the article is good, the comments are 10 years out of date | Sep 12 23:08 |
| MinceR | NoScript kept me from seeing the comments :> | Sep 12 23:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @Story_Craft Congrats! RT @CDominiqueG: My story "The Band's All Here" written under the name Caitlin L Pompeo will be available tomorrow | Sep 12 23:21 | |
| Diablo-D3 | you know | Sep 12 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think Im getting soft in my old age | Sep 12 23:24 |
| *MinceR picks up a piece of talc and draws an X on Diablo-D3 with it | Sep 12 23:41 | |
| MinceR | indeed. | Sep 12 23:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | you mean chalk? | Sep 12 23:41 |
| MinceR | nope | Sep 12 23:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wasnt aware talc came in pieces | Sep 12 23:42 |
| MinceR | well, i guess it's used as a sort of "chalk" in some circumstances | Sep 12 23:42 |
| MinceR | gn | Sep 12 23:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, Katherine in IDG | Sep 12 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Little signal in a pool of Apple/Microsoft noise | Sep 12 23:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lwnnet why feed this Microsoft booster who sells Microsoft books for a living while slamming everything Linux? | Sep 12 23:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Linux ‘top command’ used in Tron trailer… http://ur1.ca/1li9t !linux | Sep 12 23:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux top command used in Tron trailer& .::. Size~: 46.45 KB | Sep 12 23:53 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
