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| Chips_B_Malroy | how petty | Oct 02 00:00 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | patents should never be allowed on the obvious, and this is clearly the obvious | Oct 02 00:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry, my internet is in trouble today | Oct 02 00:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I might have to try another computer with a different wireless | Oct 02 00:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @schestowitz: How to do that? | Oct 02 00:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera Time to see if IBM will stand up for Linux. These patent attacks can't go on. Or time for a meteor to hit Redmond, WA :-D | Oct 02 00:03 | |
| schestowitz | BAllmer owns everythingt | Oct 02 00:05 |
| schestowitz | He thinks. | Oct 02 00:05 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm MS filing suit over android directly. | Oct 02 00:11 |
| hazzy | Oh, hey, look at that | Oct 02 00:11 |
| hazzy | Interesting, didn't see that | Oct 02 00:11 |
| oiaohm | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2010/oct10/10-01statement.mspx | Oct 02 00:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Files Patent Infringement Action Against Motorola: Statement from Horacio Gutierrez, corporate vice president and deputy general counsel of Intellectual Property and Licensing. .::. Size~: 46.24 KB | Oct 02 00:11 |
| hazzy | Haha, first comment on Slashdot about it: "It's great to see the USS Microsoft sinking after all these years." | Oct 02 00:12 |
| oiaohm | It is correct hazzy | Oct 02 00:12 |
| oiaohm | I would bet Motorola has refused to ship the new windows mobile 7 OS. | Oct 02 00:13 |
| hazzy | Yeah | Oct 02 00:13 |
| oiaohm | So MS is now attacking them. | Oct 02 00:13 |
| hazzy | This is good though, bad PR for them | Oct 02 00:13 |
| hazzy | This case has no merit | Oct 02 00:13 |
| oiaohm | It does have merit it shows that MS is a hostile user of patents. | Oct 02 00:14 |
| hazzy | True | Oct 02 00:14 |
| oiaohm | At long last MS has come out from behind using patent pools to attack. | Oct 02 00:14 |
| hazzy | Also sheds some light on the mess of a patent system | Oct 02 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Really MS should be way more careful. | Oct 02 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Motorola is one of the largest produces of ARM chips. | Oct 02 00:15 |
| hazzy | Ah, yes | Oct 02 00:16 |
| hazzy | Though | Oct 02 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Also motorola has huge patent lists of there own. | Oct 02 00:16 |
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| oiaohm | That MS most likely breaches as well. | Oct 02 00:16 |
| hazzy | The patents in the summary on Slashdot seem to indicate that they are common on all Phone OSes | Oct 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has no choice | Oct 02 00:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Microsoft sues Motorola, citing Android patent infringement http://tinyurl.com/38tqppd - If you can't sell your product, sue others? | Oct 02 00:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft sues Motorola, citing Android patent infringement .::. Size~: 30.63 KB | Oct 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | It loses too much money | Oct 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | It tries to create an android "chill" | Oct 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | make it expensive while making it its own cash cow, too | Oct 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Never mind the consequences | Oct 02 00:17 |
| hazzy | I'm sure it was carefully timed to coincide with their launch of WP7 | Oct 02 00:18 |
| schestowitz | "Android is not free" | Oct 02 00:18 |
| schestowitz | "So buy our wares" | Oct 02 00:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #swpats The supposed trade off with patents is public disclosure for a legal monopoly. So how do MS get away with suing and using NDA's? | Oct 02 00:18 | |
| oiaohm | Also remember Motorolo was the first to be making Linux phones. | Oct 02 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Ok with there own internal OS but they were a first. | Oct 02 00:19 |
| schestowitz | with java | Oct 02 00:19 |
| schestowitz | real java | Oct 02 00:19 |
| gnufreex | They didn't atacked Linux kernel, so OIN will stay sillent. Stupid Google made a freak, everything but kernel is Google propriatary sftuff. | Oct 02 00:19 |
| oiaohm | So there is a high chance of major internal proir art as well. | Oct 02 00:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not true | Oct 02 00:19 |
| schestowitz | See first two patents | Oct 02 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes. | Oct 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Looks like FAT | Oct 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Hard to work around | Oct 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | comptibility | Oct 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | But Tridge wrote a patch last year | Oct 02 00:20 |
| oiaohm | synchronizing email, calendars and contacts, scheduling meetings << First generation motorola use there OS prior to Linux had those features. | Oct 02 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Against citadel. | Oct 02 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes pre the existance of exchange. | Oct 02 00:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @gnufreex publicly dare them to show they got guts | Oct 02 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pulls a TomTOm | Oct 02 00:22 |
| oiaohm | MS closer inspection of the patents yes but MS might have made a major mistake. | Oct 02 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Mixing swpats vs Linux w/ others | Oct 02 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Like GPS | Oct 02 00:22 |
| schestowitz | SO it's not down just to OIN | Oct 02 00:22 |
| hazzy | Florian posted on Slashdot about his interest in FOSS | Oct 02 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Also this could pull google in schestowitz | Oct 02 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Like throwing nukes and also chemical weapons on an enemy with hazmat suits | Oct 02 00:23 |
| schestowitz | hazzy: tell him to buzz off | Oct 02 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Mobbyist | Oct 02 00:23 |
| schestowitz | hazzy: I have an interest in Microsof | Oct 02 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he has an interest in how to crush FOSS | Oct 02 00:23 |
| schestowitz | His client needs that, I bet | Oct 02 00:24 |
| hazzy | http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1805908&cid=33765434 | Oct 02 00:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot Comments | Microsoft Sues Motorola Over Android-Related Patent Infringement .::. Size~: 41.54 KB | Oct 02 00:24 |
| hazzy | That is his | Oct 02 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Ingore the trolls in a platform like that | Oct 02 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Flamewars defending Microsoft | Oct 02 00:24 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the sync software motorola uses is not there own schestowitz | Oct 02 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Its googles. | Oct 02 00:24 |
| oiaohm | on android | Oct 02 00:24 |
| schestowitz | He has become a joke in the FOSS world cause he attaked everyone there | Oct 02 00:25 |
| oiaohm | This could be a funny breach of contract by MS as well schestowitz | Oct 02 00:25 |
| schestowitz | He is left only talking to Microsoft folks like de Icaza | Oct 02 00:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes This time they went too far. Motorola will sue M$'s ass out in retaliation. Motorola has thousands patents in broad areas | Oct 02 00:25 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Google had an activesync patent licence deal with MSFT | Oct 02 00:25 |
| schestowitz | 2008/9 | Oct 02 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Oct 02 00:25 |
| oiaohm | And google provides the software for syncing to Motorola so Motorola does not do it. | Oct 02 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/53473926 "Samsung placing bets on a dead horse http://bit.ly/d3UU7I" | Oct 02 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: agentsmith's status on Friday, 01-Oct-10 19:08:34 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.57 KB | Oct 02 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft, Samsung Partner on Windows Phone 7 Devices | News & Opinion | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 90.7 KB | Oct 02 00:26 |
| oiaohm | So bring syncing patents against Motorola is kinda invalid. | Oct 02 00:26 |
| hazzy | Hmm, it is interesting that Microsoft didn't sue Google directly | Oct 02 00:27 |
| oiaohm | notifying applications of changes in signal strength and battery power. << Prior art exists for boths of them. | Oct 02 00:27 |
| oiaohm | hazzy: simple fact over syncing Microsoft cannot sue google. | Oct 02 00:27 |
| hazzy | Wait | Oct 02 00:28 |
| oiaohm | As schestowitz said the 2008/9 patent deal. | Oct 02 00:28 |
| hazzy | Oh, right | Oct 02 00:28 |
| hazzy | Yea | Oct 02 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft might have just wedged themselves. | Oct 02 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Big problem is one part of Microsoft case is completely invalid the complete case can be thrown out and they not allowed to raise any area covered again. | Oct 02 00:29 |
| hazzy | Didn't techrights post something in the past that this will be Microsoft's last effort at developing a phone OS? | Oct 02 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Yep KIN complete failure. hazzy | Oct 02 00:31 |
| hazzy | Oh yes | Oct 02 00:32 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean complete. More phones got recycled than sold. | Oct 02 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Hmm who made the KIN phones for Microsoft. | Oct 02 00:32 |
| gnufreex | Danger | Oct 02 00:33 |
| gnufreex | Microsoft bught Danger. And got in Danger. | Oct 02 00:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] 'course, patents MS wield agin #Android are obvious methods pre-existing in standards. Just goes to show, US patent system is broken. | Oct 02 00:33 | |
| oiaohm | Hmm KIN was produced by Motorola for MS. | Oct 02 00:33 |
| hazzy | The KIN OS was made by Danger | Oct 02 00:34 |
| hazzy | Partially | Oct 02 00:34 |
| oiaohm | I can understand if Motorola is a bit touchy going near MS Phone OS quickly. | Oct 02 00:34 |
| hazzy | And yeah, interesting you said that oiaohm | Oct 02 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Big thing here is historically normally you go to Motorola offer enough cash and they will make what ever you want even if it a failure. | Oct 02 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Now if MS is needing to reach to Motorola to get Windows Mobile 7 Os in the market they are already in trouble. | Oct 02 00:37 |
| gnufreex | Microsoft apparently made a plan to monopolize Mobile market. They took over nokia and HP by entyism, so Palm and MeeGo are toast. They will sue android to deat, and only Apple is left. Most effective way to stop this is to make masive lawsuit against Microsoft. OIN or anti-trustees... but they are useless so far. | Oct 02 00:38 |
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| hazzy | But Apple and Android are the strongest competitors; not gonna work | Oct 02 00:39 |
| oiaohm | MeeGo is in a way stronger location than Palm was. | Oct 02 00:39 |
| oiaohm | MeeGo is Linux foundation gnufreex | Oct 02 00:39 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: There are not many candidates for putting it on phone. | Oct 02 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Even if nokia backs off MeeGo will go forwards with the support of Redhat and others. | Oct 02 00:39 |
| gnufreex | Red Hat doesn't make phones. | Oct 02 00:39 |
| oiaohm | MeeGo prime target is not phones. | Oct 02 00:39 |
| oiaohm | smartbooks gnufreex | Oct 02 00:40 |
| gnufreex | And Micro$hit made clear that they will sue or takeover hanyone who touches Linux | Oct 02 00:40 |
| gnufreex | This is all Torvalds' fault. His hate for RMS and GPLv3 made all this. | Oct 02 00:41 |
| gnufreex | I wouldn't be supprised if he is paid by Microsoft. | Oct 02 00:41 |
| gnufreex | But he is paid by IBM for sure. | Oct 02 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Changing licence of the Linux kernel is a major job. gnufreex | Oct 02 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Torvald stand was direct benifit there was none at the time. | Oct 02 00:42 |
| gnufreex | Letting the movement go down the drain is easy job. Torvalds elected easier job. | Oct 02 00:44 |
| oiaohm | remember Linux kernel is not GPLv2 and latter. | Oct 02 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Its pure GPL v2 gnufreex | Oct 02 00:45 |
| oiaohm | So to change licence is a hurding cats operation. gnufreex | Oct 02 00:45 |
| oiaohm | And Linux kernel is not the only project with that problem gnufreex | Oct 02 00:46 |
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| oiaohm | Adding a patent grant agreement for all submitters would be simpler than changing Linux from gpl v2 to gpl v3. | Oct 02 00:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @eren #virtualbox is a gift for humanity. | Oct 02 00:47 | |
| oiaohm | The legal effect is basically the same gnufreex | Oct 02 00:47 |
| gnufreex | Yes I know. And I also know Torvalds riped that clause because he doesn't trust stallman. Torvalds made a mess, least he could do is step away and let other people try and fix it. But he instead FUDed. | Oct 02 00:47 |
| gnufreex | [01:45:53] <oiaohm> The legal effect is basically the same gnufreex | Oct 02 00:48 |
| gnufreex | what legal efect? | Oct 02 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Remember by the time of GPL v3 OIN agreements and others was in effect to protect Linux kernel it self. | Oct 02 00:48 |
| oiaohm | There is truly very little benifit. | Oct 02 00:48 |
| oiaohm | for the Linux kernel of GPL 3 | Oct 02 00:49 |
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| gnufreex | There is great beneft for whole ecosysyem | Oct 02 00:50 |
| gnufreex | First, Linux is role model. Those who elected V2 only did so because of Linus' rants | Oct 02 00:50 |
| oiaohm | GPL 3 is good for GPL 2 and latter stuff that did not have patent protection frameworks in place. | Oct 02 00:50 |
| gnufreex | on GPLv3 | Oct 02 00:50 |
| oiaohm | No gnufreex | Oct 02 00:50 |
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| oiaohm | Linus said for Linux there was no techical advantage. | Oct 02 00:51 |
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| oiaohm | Infact a few times he sad it would be wise if other projects did change due to not having the same frameworks in place. gnufreex | Oct 02 00:51 |
| Ziomatrix | MS is on the move people! http://tinyurl.com/2ez9sqw | Oct 02 00:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Slaps Motorola with Patent Lawsuit over Android .::. Size~: 24.69 KB | Oct 02 00:52 |
| _Goblin | yeah I saw that. | Oct 02 00:52 |
| bruce89 | to the bottom of Millport bay | Oct 02 00:52 |
| Ziomatrix | _Goblin: yea between that and being able to get execs directly from their company or with close partners into larger OEMs they seem to be putting some kind of takeover plan in motion | Oct 02 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Read closer Ziomatrix that move could come back to bite. | Oct 02 00:53 |
| oiaohm | The sync program on motorola devices is a google program. | Oct 02 00:53 |
| oiaohm | So how is motorola guility. | Oct 02 00:53 |
| _Goblin | Ziomatrix: its the only way they can think of to be profitable in the mobile world. | Oct 02 00:54 |
| hazzy | I think it looks like Ballmer is *barely* hanging on, so he had to make it look like he was doing something | Oct 02 00:54 |
| _Goblin | Ziomatrix: ..."if you build it, Microsoft will sue" | Oct 02 00:54 |
| _Goblin | hazzy: he didn't get his full bonus this year. | Oct 02 00:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Microsoft Slaps Motorola with Patent Lawsuit over Android http://ur1.ca/1w8rz #epicfail | Oct 02 00:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Slaps Motorola with Patent Lawsuit over Android .::. Size~: 24.69 KB | Oct 02 00:55 |
| hazzy | So it is | Oct 02 00:55 |
| hazzy | Ballmer seems to be being forced out | Oct 02 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Now the android case is pure nightmare to the mono camp. | Oct 02 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Because Google does have a patent grant covering the very area that Microsoft is sueing on. | Oct 02 00:56 |
| oiaohm | What does that mean for the promise. | Oct 02 00:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have to ask this question of people here smarter than I, why does MS sue Motorola instead of Google for Android? | Oct 02 00:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even though I think I know the anwser | Oct 02 00:57 |
| hazzy | Google licensed syncing tech | Oct 02 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Because with those patents MS cannot sue google. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 00:57 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: they may not suceed, but they'll surely leave carnage of spent capital on litigation, good projects for products dieing and all of this will only screw over customers whose only crime is desiring a decent open individual friendly product. | Oct 02 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Or its breach of contract Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 00:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | let me ask the question in another way then | Oct 02 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Remember the 2008/2008 active sync deal between google and MS Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 00:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | why does MS sue a former OEM's of their's like Motorola instead of Google, as it makes no sense to sue an OEM that might still give them some business. | Oct 02 00:59 |
| oiaohm | So that google could include syncing to Microsoft servers in android. | Oct 02 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Attacking google will not work. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 00:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | agreed | Oct 02 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Google has their patent house in order. | Oct 02 00:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but I think for other reasons as well | Oct 02 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Google also works directly with the USA patent office. | Oct 02 00:59 |
| hazzy | Chips_B_Malroy: Because HTC licensed Microsoft's patent portfolio and Motorola didn't | Oct 02 00:59 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: I think "might" is the key word...they'll probably be hoping for an under the counter deal before it even gets to court. | Oct 02 00:59 |
| oiaohm | So finding prior art google can do simply. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:00 |
| oiaohm | You would have to be insane to try to go after Google due to where they have set themselves up. | Oct 02 01:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, it appears to me that MS is trying to keep the sheep (oem's) away from the big bad wolf (google) by sueing them | Oct 02 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Motorola was also the first to make Linux mobiles. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:01 |
| oiaohm | If Microsoft can shut Motorola down they might be able to slow android down. | Oct 02 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if MS was to sue Google directly, which they decline to do, they would run into a company that would fight them and not settle cheaply | Oct 02 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Where attacking Google might just force mobile makers to meego | Oct 02 01:01 |
| hazzy | Chips_B_Malroy: Point made! | Oct 02 01:02 |
| oiaohm | And meego is also not something you would want to attack either. | Oct 02 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Linux Foundation members hitting back on Microsoft would be nasty. | Oct 02 01:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | also, Google with its other OS, could ask the DOJ and the EU to break up MS for uncompetitve monopolist practices, if they do so. | Oct 02 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Oct 02 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Basically attacking Google would turn into a double to tripple way nightmare. | Oct 02 01:03 |
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| _Goblin | oiaohm: I meant to say, thanks for that link to Steel Storm, im looking at it for Openbytes. | Oct 02 01:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it would be the perfect senario for Google to go after MS on a antitrust basis | Oct 02 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Even attacking motorola this could open up anti-trust. | Oct 02 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Thinking Motorola is an OS maker. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:04 |
| oiaohm | A small OS maker. | Oct 02 01:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | where Motorola will probably settle for less change than lawyers cost and a NDA | Oct 02 01:04 |
| oiaohm | History of Motorola odd of settling low. | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | <oiaohm> Hmm who made the KIN phones for Microsoft. | Oct 02 01:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | hope you are right | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | And J Allard | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | He quit/got sacked | Oct 02 01:05 |
| hazzy | NetApplications reports that Internet Explorer hit an all time low in September | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | . | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | <hazzy> The KIN OS was made by Danger | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | . | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | <hazzy> The KIN OS was made by Danger | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | . | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | <hazzy> The KIN OS was made by Danger | Oct 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz | But wait.. it was close to Zune, no/ | Oct 02 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Predating Danger buyout | Oct 02 01:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which means that KIN/MS is not exactly out of the hardware phone business | Oct 02 01:06 |
| hazzy | schestowitz: I said 'Partially' after that | Oct 02 01:07 |
| hazzy | And they did partially | Oct 02 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | CE/Zune software/Silverlight | Oct 02 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is where Kin and WP7 are going | Oct 02 01:07 |
| hazzy | Btw | Oct 02 01:07 |
| hazzy | The hardware for KIN was made by Sharp | Oct 02 01:07 |
| oiaohm | You are aware that motorola is its own law firm. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:07 |
| oiaohm | You can higher Motorola to fight legal cases for you. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie Motorola is not a soft target. | Oct 02 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | <_Goblin> Ziomatrix: ..."if you build it, Microsoft will sue <<< SteveB's Street of Dreams | Oct 02 01:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wouldn't this backfire on MS? I mean if you sue your own OEM's when they try another, doesn't this just piss them off? | Oct 02 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Ie motorola winning agaisnt Microsoft would bring motorola business. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:09 |
| oiaohm | So motorola has every reason to fight and fight hard. | Oct 02 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Sueing a company that is is own law firm is a high risk in it self Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Let along that that law firm happens to be one of you OEM's | Oct 02 01:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There seems to be an unspoken agreement between MS and Apple with reguards to sueing Google for Android. Notice only Apple sues Google directly. Notice that neither Apple or MS sue each other. | Oct 02 01:11 |
| schestowitz_log | <hazzy> NetApplications reports that Internet Explorer hit an all time low in September >. s/September/United State | Oct 02 01:11 |
| schestowitz_log | s/ | Oct 02 01:11 |
| hazzy | Oh, yes, nvm | Oct 02 01:11 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I think companies when dealing with MS need to remember Jack Tramiel the found of Commodore Business Machines' words "Business is war." And just like war there is the potential of enemy infaltration to sabotage for their own personal benefit. | Oct 02 01:11 |
| oiaohm | There are patent agreements between Apple and MS they cannot sue each other. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Apple got the agreement with the truetype font patents. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:12 |
| oiaohm | We are talking over a 15 year old agreement. | Oct 02 01:12 |
| schestowitz | > Notice only Apple sues Google directly | Oct 02 01:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well Ballmer's stategy of sueing its OEM's for using Android is like shooting itself in the foot, maybe both feet. Isn't this the same type of thinking that the RIAA does with its lawsuits? | Oct 02 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Huh? | Oct 02 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Just HTC | Oct 02 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Their implicit agreement Apple/Mirosoft is that they need to attack Linus | Oct 02 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Linux too | Oct 02 01:12 |
| hazzy | You gotta understand that Motorola will not be giving up this fight easy when you consider how successful Android has been | Oct 02 01:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | good anwser on the patent agreements between Apple and MS, btw | Oct 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz | After Apple sued, in Microsoft' lobbying blog Don Horacio did some gangsta talk praising Apple | Oct 02 01:13 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: contracts can be voided if one party intends to go somewhere else. I'm sure Motorola's legal team went through the steps to break them off from moving from Windows Mobile to Android. Also, remember Motorola's cellular division split, went into bankruptsy and then was re-aquired. They aren't the same division as before | Oct 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz | <oiaohm> We are talking over a 15 year old agreement. | Oct 02 01:14 |
| schestowitz | They renewed | Oct 02 01:14 |
| schestowitz | in 2007 IIRC | Oct 02 01:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, the OEM's will not give up using Android simply because its sells phones and Windows Mobile does not. | Oct 02 01:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | You have to have a product that sells (Android) and cannot sell one that does not (Kin). | Oct 02 01:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Anyone else smell !MS behind the scenes ensuring the new BIOS will be have some restriction to only work in Windows? http://bbc.in/bvktpB | Oct 02 01:15 | |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft will say Android is fragmented | Oct 02 01:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So no matter how many companies Ballmer sues, its cellphone days are behind it. | Oct 02 01:15 |
| schestowitz | And that it has "nazi" apps | Oct 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz | That has been the strategy | Oct 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Apple's Jobs associated Android with dirty pr0n | Oct 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: but they want royalties | Oct 02 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Also Chips_B_Malroy go read freetype on patents you will seen that apple general policy with open source items is to go direct to source | Oct 02 01:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It doesn't matter, as Windows Mobo is unsellable | Oct 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobby | Oct 02 01:17 |
| oiaohm | And get the patent status written in. Chips_B_Malroy so apple attacking google over android is them fooling there standard policy that is also over 15 years old. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:17 |
| oiaohm | fooling/following | Oct 02 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft policy has always been hit OEM's one by one with patents. | Oct 02 01:18 |
| oiaohm | This is the way to extract money in the largest ammount from a patent. | Oct 02 01:18 |
| oiaohm | I am not saying that Apple and MS are not workign with either to destroy Linux. But neither are altering there general operations todo it. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is there a way for google to sue MS for doing this? | Oct 02 01:19 |
| gnufreex | What do you guys think, what are chances for OIN countersuit? I think it is 0 | Oct 02 01:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | agreed | Oct 02 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Really motorola will be able to pass buck straight to google. | Oct 02 01:21 |
| oiaohm | For a large section. | Oct 02 01:21 |
| oiaohm | So voiding all that. | Oct 02 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Ziomatrix: when motorola reqauired they aquired all the records. | Oct 02 01:22 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: If it somehow distrupts any ongoing licensing or royalty agreement they have with Motorola, they could sue for damages if it does stop Motorola from selling Android sets anywhere | Oct 02 01:22 |
| gnufreex | OIN should be disbanded, it is only liability. It wouldn't suprise me if OIN turns evil one day, when IBM decides it doesn't need Linux anymore. | Oct 02 01:22 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: Through bankruptsy a company can get rid of all their former obligations and start fresh | Oct 02 01:23 |
| gnufreex | OIN is perfect patent troll for destroing free software. | Oct 02 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Yep Ziomatrix you have to remember motorola core is legal. So yep legally sreding obligations is something they have down to a fine art. | Oct 02 01:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe the nuclear option of sueing for software patents has already happened, with both MS and Apple going after these companies that are using Android. What this is really about is trying to use the legal system to stop any new operating systems from impacting the sales of their OS. | Oct 02 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Its more desperation. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 01:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | OIN is like the scarecrow in the cornfield, it works for awhile and scares the crows away, but once they figure out that they will not do anything......... | Oct 02 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Apple really has not attacked that much. More often it is a notice hey you have steped on our patents here please fix one way or the other. Ie pay up or stop using X patent. | Oct 02 01:25 |
| gnufreex | lol. Apple is always going for a kill when it sues. They don't want any money | Oct 02 01:26 |
| oiaohm | That is after break down of talks. gnufreex | Oct 02 01:27 |
| gnufreex | Break down talks? | Oct 02 01:27 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I agree, if MS wants anything they desire Motorola to capitulate to pay their "royalties" for utilizing software related to their patents like how Samsung and HTC are. | Oct 02 01:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | image if you could use the legal system (patents) to stop any new opereating systems on computers? isn't this really what MS is trying to do? | Oct 02 01:27 |
| oiaohm | I have seen freetype and other patent talks with apple. gnufreex | Oct 02 01:27 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I can also see them trying to get HP and WebOS to join in on the fees. | Oct 02 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Most is fairly nice. gnufreex | Oct 02 01:28 |
| gnufreex | It is not nice for free software. If you pay royalty, no freedom. | Oct 02 01:28 |
| gnufreex | but that is for all patents | Oct 02 01:28 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: its not about stopping, or else the US DoJ would then have to go after them by popular demand, its about profiting on a competitor's expense. | Oct 02 01:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes MS is all about the money (greed in their case) | Oct 02 01:30 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: that way they are in the clear as far as not being a monopoly, but still making royalties thus cornering the market and making their shareholders happy | Oct 02 01:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its why MS cannot sue Google directly | Oct 02 01:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but sueing its old OEM's could and probably will come back and bite them | Oct 02 01:31 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I hope it all does, the world needs some good hardware companies that can control their own products but in a customer and developer friendly way. | Oct 02 01:32 |
| ThistleWeb | they don't want it to get to court, the key si to be the looming bully they can't afford to stand up to, by sueing Google, Google just might say "alright,. we'll see you in court, and have the patents re-evaluated" | Oct 02 01:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | exactly | Oct 02 01:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Google would have no choice but to go to court | Oct 02 01:33 |
| gnufreex | The PotatoFace poped up again http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/microsoft-sues-motorola-citing-android-patent-infringement.ars?comments=1&start=0#comment-20866585 | Oct 02 01:34 |
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| ThistleWeb | I'd certainly use the angle "well, a lot of us are using Android, which is what you claim infringes, why not go after Google too?" | Oct 02 01:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and they would win on an antitrust issue among others | Oct 02 01:34 |
| Ziomatrix | I hope efforts such as these will increase awareness of the potential of open source software, I would definitely put this on a half way decent speced TabletPC: http://tinyurl.com/23opd8m | Oct 02 01:34 |
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| ThistleWeb | in military terms, android is the commander, the troops follow him | Oct 02 01:34 |
| ThistleWeb | why are MS targeting the troops one at a time, when it's the commanding officer who is causing the problems? | Oct 02 01:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | easy to pick off one at a time the hardware companies | Oct 02 01:36 |
| ThistleWeb | if they had a genuine case they believed they could win, they would take out the CO and watch the rest fall around them | Oct 02 01:36 |
| ThistleWeb | by not doing that, it's pretty obvious that they don't have a case | Oct 02 01:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I doubt that MS is really getting big bucks in royalities, otherwise they would not need NDA's | Oct 02 01:36 |
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| Ziomatrix | ThistleWeb: its all about logistics, they don't want to eliminate Motorola's handsets, they want to indirectly profit from it. See how they do it with HTC and Samsung to get an idea: http://techrights.org/category/samsung/ | Oct 02 01:37 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | even in the agreement with Novell, MS actually paid Novell 300 and some million up front to licence Suse | Oct 02 01:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it would take a long time for MS to get 300 million back on Suse licences | Oct 02 01:38 |
| ThistleWeb | if they manage to kill android as a platform it means the hardware vendors have to find another OS, at which point they pop up with windows phone 7 | Oct 02 01:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Novell fell for it for the cash up front | Oct 02 01:38 |
| ThistleWeb | how many would choose simbian or maemo I don't know, but since the MS dude went there, presumably those will be tainted by MS too now | Oct 02 01:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nobody wants WP7, its Kin/2, the same mash of software: CE/Zune software from Kin/Silverlight | Oct 02 01:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, the rumor is at least one WP7 from Nokia now | Oct 02 01:40 |
| gnufreex | Notice that Florian Mueller is now saying "poor android developers". He don't attacks Microsoft the way he attacked Oracle or IBM. | Oct 02 01:40 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly, if people did want it, hardware companies would be contacting MS to do deals, MS know nobody wants theuir stuff bu ththey have shareholders to please | Oct 02 01:40 |
| gnufreex | He tries to FUD developers away from Android | Oct 02 01:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mueller is just another MS Shill, like Andre Da Costa | Oct 02 01:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | only he is paid more, and not yet exposed to where his money trail comes from yet | Oct 02 01:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but someone out there signs his lobby checks, and it might come out someday | Oct 02 01:42 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: thankyou so much for posting this: http://tinyurl.com/2a8dsbp Now we just have to see if PSGroove and/or PSFreedom can be backported to PS3 v3.15 or up to v3.50. | Oct 02 01:42 |
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| hazzy | Hmmmm | Oct 02 01:43 |
| hazzy | What is Microsoft up to? | Oct 02 01:44 |
| hazzy | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/microsoft-and-eff-&%238364;&%23732;-enemy-my-enemy-&%23226;&%238364;(TM) | Oct 02 01:44 |
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| hazzy | Oh, wait | Oct 02 01:44 |
| hazzy | Nvm, I just copied the link address, but it seems that the page was deleted | Oct 02 01:44 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | have to wonder, if the Gates and Ballmer are splitting in opinion somewhat. With the Gates backing the tax in their home state. Well, Bill Junior is supposed to be behind his father, but has not contributed any money to getting the law passed. Also the fact that Ballmer's bonus was cut in half (by the board that Bill chairs? | Oct 02 01:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | are we perhaps seeing Bill and Steve starting to have a falling out? | Oct 02 01:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And if WP7 and Kinect turn out to be duds? | Oct 02 01:48 |
| hazzy | I thought Bill, not too long ago, endorsed Steve as CEO? | Oct 02 01:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he did | Oct 02 01:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Examples of Gates Foundation Proximity to Government, Big Banks, Monsanto http://ur1.ca/1wb9c #gmo #patents | Oct 02 01:48 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | couple of months ago he did | Oct 02 01:49 |
| hazzy | Oh, so it was too long ago | Oct 02 01:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, things move fast | Oct 02 01:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | when its all about greed | Oct 02 01:49 |
| hazzy | Yeah | Oct 02 01:49 |
| hazzy | It seems as if they may have a falling out | Oct 02 01:50 |
| hazzy | Probably because Steve is running MS into a brick wall | Oct 02 01:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I wonder if Steve Ballmer will not want to 'spend more time with his family' soon? | Oct 02 01:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think it depends on WP7 | Oct 02 01:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But it might also depend on what Google does with ChromeOS | Oct 02 01:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even what Apple does | Oct 02 01:51 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | read some articles that maybe MS was trying to destroy itself, or short itself. They sounded unbelievable | Oct 02 01:53 |
| hazzy | Apparently, it's not easy competing on merit | Oct 02 01:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But then I started to think, about the other articles I read, that MS is going into debt and buying back its stock. It could possible even buy back all its stock in ten years time | Oct 02 01:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Now, think about this for a minute. | Oct 02 01:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if between Bill and Steve you control 12.5% of the stock | Oct 02 01:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and the company buys back most of the rest | Oct 02 01:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you in affect own most of the company | Oct 02 01:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so wouldn't you want cheap stocks? | Oct 02 01:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer is the perfect guy to keep the stock price down | Oct 02 01:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not saying this is true, its unlikely. Most likely his is just uncompendant. | Oct 02 01:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | incompendent | Oct 02 01:57 |
| hazzy | Incompetent? | Oct 02 01:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 02 01:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I need the version of konversation with spell checking, sorry | Oct 02 01:57 |
| hazzy | Nah, no big deal | Oct 02 01:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I hope if Roy ever quotes me he corrects my spelling | Oct 02 01:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The whole world is a !Linux user, Microsoft is a Linux suer. | Oct 02 01:58 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | But I have seen the buy back stock theory in ten years on more than one article now. It just does not make sense to why MS would want to become a private company? | Oct 02 01:59 |
| hazzy | You're right | Oct 02 02:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | by that time the cash cows will be dieing or smell very bad | Oct 02 02:00 |
| hazzy | They won't be as big in ten years, I think | Oct 02 02:01 |
| hazzy | Not nearly | Oct 02 02:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what really amazes me is how MS can fail at everything so badly. Its almost as if they are trying to fail. | Oct 02 02:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bkuhn ...there was a reboot on a server. It had the maximum uptime I ever achieved on a server under my care: up 1127 days, 1:39. | Oct 02 02:02 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is it possible that they are trying to fail? | Oct 02 02:02 |
| hazzy | I don't know what that would gain | Oct 02 02:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and its just another scam? | Oct 02 02:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | to buy out the company | Oct 02 02:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | private | Oct 02 02:03 |
| hazzy | Ohh | Oct 02 02:03 |
| hazzy | Right, yeah | Oct 02 02:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | with bill and steve as almost sole holders of the stock | Oct 02 02:03 |
| hazzy | But | Oct 02 02:04 |
| hazzy | What a bad strategy that is | Oct 02 02:04 |
| hazzy | No one will want to buy anything Microsoft if they realize that they keep failing so much | Oct 02 02:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Do not feed the ₥i₢¤$¤₣₮ mobbyists who troll and spin the lawsuit. Please don't. | Oct 02 02:05 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but we are not talking about making good software, we are talking about greed when we talk about MS, that is what drives those who run the company | Oct 02 02:05 |
| oiaohm | MS has been buying back stock for years. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 02:05 |
| oiaohm | Its a way of hiding that profit numbers are dropping. | Oct 02 02:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 02 02:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most likely anwser | Oct 02 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Also its stupid to go into debt to do it. | Oct 02 02:06 |
| oiaohm | On one hand. | Oct 02 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Stock has voting rights. | Oct 02 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Debt does not. | Oct 02 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Both are libablities that have to be paid. | Oct 02 02:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which means, that MS doesn't have enough money on hand in the USA to pay the bills and buy back stocks | Oct 02 02:07 |
| hazzy | I don't believe that 'privatizing Microsoft' theory | Oct 02 02:07 |
| hazzy | Something doesn't sound right | Oct 02 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Really that is the line MS is on hazzy | Oct 02 02:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | who controls the votes on the stock that MS buys back for the company? The board with Bill Gates as Chairman? | Oct 02 02:08 |
| oiaohm | As they by back stock sooner or latter there will be a company without any free stock being traded. | Oct 02 02:08 |
| oiaohm | As soon as there is no stock being traded for a long time company is better of going proviate | Oct 02 02:09 |
| oiaohm | because after 12 months of no trade stock price zeros. | Oct 02 02:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its not my theory as far as one I believe in. | Oct 02 02:10 |
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| oiaohm | Basically you cannot buy stock back for ever. | Oct 02 02:10 |
| oiaohm | I have not seen MS issue new stock recently. | Oct 02 02:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I just throw out the theory for others to think about | Oct 02 02:10 |
| oiaohm | In a balanced company. | Oct 02 02:10 |
| oiaohm | You see them buy and sell stock. | Oct 02 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie buy back and sell new stock. | Oct 02 02:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 10 years at present rate of buyback and it private from at least 2 articles I read | Oct 02 02:11 |
| oiaohm | new stock instead of taking out debt for the money. | Oct 02 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Big thing MS is not doing this. | Oct 02 02:11 |
| oiaohm | They are just buying back stock and taking out debt. | Oct 02 02:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but really it would take less than 8 or 9 years to get there if both Ballmer and Gates kept their stock | Oct 02 02:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII Mobbyist := mobbing + lobbyist, no reference to companies intended | Oct 02 02:12 | |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Do you have a clue who is that Ris guy who advertieses PotatoFace (florian) on lwn.net ? | Oct 02 02:12 |
| oiaohm | Taking out debt is a private companies way of rasing cap. | Oct 02 02:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | always look for the scam from the leaders of MS | Oct 02 02:12 |
| oiaohm | Not a stock companies way of rasing cap unless the stock company is in trouble. | Oct 02 02:13 |
| oiaohm | Either way MS actions are not healthy. | Oct 02 02:13 |
| schestowitz | [17:19] <gnufreex> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/windows-phone-7-launching-exclusively-with-att.ars?comments=1#comments-bar | Oct 02 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: it's dead | Oct 02 02:13 |
| schestowitz | They only try cause they are miserable | Oct 02 02:13 |
| schestowitz | I have 5 posts indraft | Oct 02 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | 2 about how screwed Microsoft is, which is why its 5th patent lawsuit is no surprise | Oct 02 02:14 |
| schestowitz | It5s first lawsuit: primax, 2008/7 | Oct 02 02:14 |
| schestowitz | last one: salesforce, around june/july | Oct 02 02:14 |
| schestowitz | So it sues more frequently now | Oct 02 02:14 |
| schestowitz | <gnufreex> schestowitz: Do you have a clue who is that Ris guy who advertieses PotatoFace (florian) on lwn.net ? | Oct 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Mischivuous | Oct 02 02:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | my guess, is MS settles easy, as it gets paid peanuts | Oct 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Corbet not around to edit | Oct 02 02:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @schestowitz all I can think of is a Moby fan | Oct 02 02:15 | |
| schestowitz | [17:32] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ITworld Is your Android phone spying on you? | Oct 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | All phones spy | Oct 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | That's what they do | Oct 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | They track position | Oct 02 02:16 |
| gnufreex | keep up the good work Roy. But all this is for noth if they manage to spin masses into beleiving that Microsoft is failing becaus evil and destructive open source from Red Hat and Google. That is why we need to expose those lobbyists, like I did with Florian. LWN.net laughs at him, except that Ris guy who advertises him. schestowitz | Oct 02 02:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @thistleweb but I like Moby! | Oct 02 02:17 | |
| schestowitz | The carriers in the UK are strictly require to maintain this data too, retention in 4d, inc time, not just coods | Oct 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | *coords | Oct 02 02:17 |
| gnufreex | If they convince people that open source is destroying economy... well.. | Oct 02 02:17 |
| hazzy | iPhone spies too | Oct 02 02:17 |
| hazzy | http://www.pskl.us/wp/?p=476 | Oct 02 02:17 |
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| schestowitz | webo | Oct 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | webos notoriously | Oct 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | question is, only carrier or phoning home to s/w company too | Oct 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Same stuff, govt. can subpoena both | Oct 02 02:18 |
| *schestowitz got rid of all tracking devices in 2003 | Oct 02 02:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @schestowitz so does that make you a Mobyist? Or is a Mobyist one who treats Moby as a God to be obeyed without question? ;) | Oct 02 02:18 | |
| schestowitz | but the UK is filled with CCTV | Oct 02 02:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | here too | Oct 02 02:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @thistleweb not quite a mobster/mobbyist. Moby is the opposite, living in peace with low-energy house and all. Nice chap. | Oct 02 02:20 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | really I don't think MS is going to buy back enough stock to go private, my thinking is that the split between friends Ballmer and Gates is most likely | Oct 02 02:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What is the difference between Windows Mobile and Vista Phone 7? The latter has the mighty "7", so it's uber-cool. http://ur1.ca/00b71 | Oct 02 02:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What is the difference between Android and Vista Phone 7? Android exists and thrives, VP7 is "just some words on paper" http://ur1.ca/1wbyi | Oct 02 02:25 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Is Gates trying to get the 10% system for teachers into education that is the same system that Microsoft uses to fire the lowest 10 | Oct 02 02:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 10% of its employees every year? | Oct 02 02:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | this is what I read at Mini MSFT comments that he is | Oct 02 02:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] McGrath: Proposal for a new Fedora project http://ur1.ca/1wc04 Power to Fedora, the distro which innovates rather than imitate or sue | Oct 02 02:28 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | and look at how good that firing of the lowest 10% has worked for Microsoft | Oct 02 02:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | next year the ones that were at 20% become the 10%er's that get fired | Oct 02 02:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "But to the degree that people are going to deploy Linux, we want Suse Linux to have the highest percent share" --Steve Ballmer #ballnux | Oct 02 02:30 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what a system, only Gates could dream up one like that | Oct 02 02:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "We are willing to do the same deal [as Novell's] with Red Hat and other Linux distributors, it's not an exclusive thing." --Steve Ballmer | Oct 02 02:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "I'd put the Linux phenomenon really as threat No. 1." --Steve Ballmer, 2001 | Oct 02 02:32 | |
| oiaohm | No that fire the lowest 10 percent predates Gates | Oct 02 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Was done in the industralia revolution by one group. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 02:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lol, so he copyed that too | Oct 02 02:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Romans did that too, its called decismation | Oct 02 02:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if I spelled it right | Oct 02 02:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in their legions | Oct 02 02:33 |
| hazzy | Never heard of that so I can't say for sure | Oct 02 02:34 |
| hazzy | I don't have spellcheck on irssi so I can't check | Oct 02 02:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for cowardize in battle | Oct 02 02:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @agentsmith Why is adobe Trash Player so crappy on Linux ? Damn, it pisses off even Dalai Lama... :-/ #AdobeTrash | Oct 02 02:35 | |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: ping | Oct 02 02:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_%28Roman_army%29 | Oct 02 02:35 |
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| gnufreex | Wut? | Oct 02 02:35 |
| hazzy | Oh, right | Oct 02 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Earlier you said you thought of starting a blog | Oct 02 02:35 |
| gnufreex | Yes... | Oct 02 02:36 |
| schestowitz | WordPress 3.0 has a module/support for multiple blogs | Oct 02 02:36 |
| schestowitz | You can maybe have a blog in techrights | Oct 02 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Others too | Oct 02 02:36 |
| gnufreex | That would be cool... | Oct 02 02:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't know cause I haven't checked how it's done | Oct 02 02:36 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Let's talk that tomorow, I need to go. | Oct 02 02:38 |
| gnufreex | Bye | Oct 02 02:38 |
| schestowitz | OK | Oct 02 02:38 |
| schestowitz | I'll see how it's set up | Oct 02 02:38 |
| schestowitz | maybe others want that to | Oct 02 02:38 |
| schestowitz | maybe others want that too | Oct 02 02:38 |
| gnufreex | Ok thanks. We grow community :-) | Oct 02 02:39 |
| schestowitz | I need to check if I can merge all blogs into the RSS feed | Oct 02 02:39 |
| schestowitz | We can be more effective with more output | Oct 02 02:39 |
| hazzy | Who is responsible for OMG!Ubuntu? | Oct 02 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | Some British guy | Oct 02 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Joey IIRC | Oct 02 02:41 |
| hazzy | His apologist vibe annoys me | Oct 02 02:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith we might turn !techrights into a network of blogs. Since you write for ghabuntu already, I could set you up a blog on tr.org | Oct 02 02:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rysiek warm and friendly cheers to all you !gnome users from a !kde user - http://ur1.ca/1w58f :) !linux !gnu | Oct 02 02:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yay! Creative Commons Asia - http://creativecommons.asia/ #fb | Oct 02 02:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Nice, loved the idea. But I am not a writer as prolific as you are. ;-) | Oct 02 02:53 | |
| schestowitz | hazzy: aplogist to whom? | Oct 02 02:56 |
| schestowitz | *apologist | Oct 02 02:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] I feel like converting my main workstation to !gentoo hardened (toolchain only for now)... | Oct 02 02:58 | |
| hazzy | Apple and Microsoft | Oct 02 02:58 |
| balrog | heh | Oct 02 03:02 |
| balrog | recently I've been doing stuff with emulation-related development | Oct 02 03:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @StopActaNow Danger of international accord on repressive policies in final !ACTA talks, says RSF http://ur1.ca/1wchj !libreculture | Oct 02 03:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Linux on TV: ‘The Glades’ – detectives run !GNOME on a Windows-branded PC http://ur1.ca/1wcnk | Oct 02 03:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera what's the context of the observation re editorial policy? | Oct 02 03:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @laurelrusswurm "Web founder warns of Internet disconnect law 'blight'" .. laws like Canada's !BillC32 are a bad idea http://ur1.ca/1w8rp | Oct 02 03:20 | |
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| schestowitz | http://store.linux.com/product_info.php?products_id=56 Sounds similar to slogans from The Third Reich | Oct 02 03:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @schestowitz that is a whole discussion in itself. that would need more than just 160 chars to explain. | Oct 02 03:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @satipera The supposed trade off with patents is public disclosure for a legal monopoly.So how do MS get away with suing and using NDA's? | Oct 02 03:27 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: You just used the link I gave it seems | Oct 02 03:27 |
| schestowitz | where? | Oct 02 03:27 |
| schestowitz | You link to omgomg a lot | Oct 02 03:27 |
| schestowitz | While saying you dislike the site's attitude | Oct 02 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yes the Gnome on Windows PC link | Oct 02 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | and how its also apparently of PC Linux OS | Oct 02 03:29 |
| schestowitz | oh, yeah... dat 1! | Oct 02 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well better than linking to loads of BBC links and then saying something nagative about them right? :D | Oct 02 03:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @thistleweb smell !MS behind the scenes ensuring the new BIOS will be have some restriction to only work in Windows? http://bbc.in/bvktpB | Oct 02 03:32 | |
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| sebsebseb | remember how I used to link to BBC quite a lot? | Oct 02 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | and was that just a coincidence you just did a BBC link in your notice | Oct 02 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: its the ignorance and fanboysim that gets me when it comes to omgubuntu, and Ubuntu in general these days, since the distro stopped being what I wanted by default, with 9.04 | Oct 02 03:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.32.24-libre1 now available | Oct 02 03:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "OIN is like the scarecrow in the cornfield, it works for a while. but once they figure out that they will not do anything." -Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 03:33 | |
| sebsebseb | after using the distro for years rather happiley, since their second release in 2005, so yeah quite the let down | Oct 02 03:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The nice thing about GNU/Linux distro's is the amount of choice we have. If you don't have to settle for just one distro, its better. | Oct 02 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: yep its good to try out distros :) | Oct 02 03:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Always try to have a distro you can fall back to if something happens to yours | Oct 02 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | and not just get vender locked in to Canonical/Ubuntu like sadly most Desktop LInux users are | Oct 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | [01:44] <hazzy> Nvm, I just copied the link address, but it seems that the page was deleted | Oct 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | It's a junk IDG blog | Oct 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | filled with proprietary proponents and Microsoft partners/employees | Oct 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | Running an "open source" blog | Oct 02 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: my distro of choice started to suck sadly, yep Ubuntu | Oct 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | [01:57] <Chips_B_Malroy> I need the version of konversation with spell checking, sorry | Oct 02 03:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its still far better than Windows. while I am not a Ubuntu user, I have to say that | Oct 02 03:38 |
| schestowitz | Latest one has it, toggle context menu in input line | Oct 02 03:38 |
| ThistleWeb | xchat has spell checking | Oct 02 03:38 |
| ThistleWeb | aka Hogwarts Examiner mode | Oct 02 03:38 |
| hazzy | schestowitz: Ah, so that story was probably fake | Oct 02 03:39 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: well yes, better people use it than Windows or Mac OS X | Oct 02 03:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> yes but I ran into problems trying to put latest sid konversation into Mepis 8.0 (kde3.5) linux. It might work on my 8.5 laptop, but sadly it doesn't like my ipw2200 wirless the last few days. | Oct 02 03:39 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: Which distro/s do you use? and why? | Oct 02 03:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "<sebsebseb> Chips_B_Malroy: well yes, better people use it than Windows or Mac OS X | Oct 02 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: are you on the Ubuntu 10.10 Release Candate yet, oh right yeah you changed to Mandriva didn't you? :) | Oct 02 03:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | only reason I try to be nice to them | Oct 02 03:40 |
| hazzy | I dual boot Mandriva + Arch | Oct 02 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: only reason I did Ubuntu support, and it was something to do, and a nice thing to do, sadly most people would just use for support, even if had spent hours with them in pm | Oct 02 03:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I avoid distro's with Mono installed by default for personal use, even though I could remove it | Oct 02 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: so yeah no online firendship or anything like that, shame really | Oct 02 03:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Also, my personal experience helping other with Wine on Ubuntu was not good. Oiaohm I believe is very right about this. | Oct 02 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | helping with Wine on Ubuntu is not good? | Oct 02 03:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I ran into problems, which I did not have with other distro's | Oct 02 03:43 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Oct 02 03:43 |
| sebsebseb | well Ubuntu's wireless support rather bad indeed | Oct 02 03:43 |
| sebsebseb | other distros like PC Linux OS, will work better useauly it seems :) | Oct 02 03:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and it was just easier to convert people to the other distro without the problems than trying to learn how to fix the bugs in ubuntu/wine/plusaudio | Oct 02 03:44 |
| schestowitz | [03:32] <sebsebseb> remember how I used to link to BBC quite a lot? | Oct 02 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: and yes there are Ubuntu specfic issues, hence why as far as I know, I mean the reason for why. Why Mint made a version based on Debian. | Oct 02 03:44 |
| schestowitz | I forgot | Oct 02 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | more stable | Oct 02 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well you would basically say you didn't like it, and that BBC was spin | Oct 02 03:44 |
| schestowitz | omgubutu is just buntu-washing everything FL/OSS | Oct 02 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | going against Gnome and such you mean? | Oct 02 03:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I won't say that there might have been fixes or workarounds for the problems, I just did not want to spend time looking | Oct 02 03:45 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: indeed | Oct 02 03:45 |
| sebsebseb | and thats the thing right there | Oct 02 03:45 |
| sebsebseb | most Ubuntu users want it all to just work, and well there are things that don't jus work or aren't really easy to have working in Ubuntu, that do in other distros | Oct 02 03:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | rather use the distro that just works right, and there are lots of them | Oct 02 03:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least for me | Oct 02 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | and they don't know that most of them, so back to WIndows or Mac OS X they go | Oct 02 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | I have a feeling Ubuntu has lost more potential users, going back to Windows or Mac OS X, than what it has lost by them trying and staying as users of another distro. Than what have stayed as Ubuntu users for quite while, and that realy is ashame. | Oct 02 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | I mean its all hyped up and everything and its meant to be so great, bu no it really isn't. | Oct 02 03:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I deal with lots of new converts, who want to run a few windows games in wine. It helps if wine works well on a distro to convert people | Oct 02 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | however expereinced users can see beyound that hype | Oct 02 03:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz: I'm pleased to help ! :) But I'm disappointed by the news themselves :-( ... | Oct 02 03:47 | |
| sebsebseb | and then when Ubuntu works, we get the, oh Ubuntu is so amazing thing, when really for a lot of these users, another distro would be better for them | Oct 02 03:47 |
| sebsebseb | I used to be like that even | Oct 02 03:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ubuntu is an amazing thing, if you come from windows | Oct 02 03:48 |
| sebsebseb | Thought Ubuntu was absoutly amazing. | Oct 02 03:48 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/53527542 "@schestowitz At least once on NCIS a computer was shown running kde4" | Oct 02 03:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @angrykeyboarder: #Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Release Candidate Is Out (yesterday) - See What's New! http://goo.gl/UKwc | Oct 02 03:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu well, it shows Microsoft suing more and more over time. Companies that do this are losing e.g. SCO | Oct 02 03:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Q: Can Microsoft make decent phones? A: No. If it could, it would not be busy suing competitors. #VistaPhone7 #fail #swpats | Oct 02 03:48 | |
| sebsebseb | untill it did something with 9.04 that really got at me, and how also around that time, I had a guy starting to tell me about upstream Gnome :) | Oct 02 03:48 |
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| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: well yeah | Oct 02 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | for newbies | Oct 02 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not always | Oct 02 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | also sometimes features that are meant to be for the newbies annoy them, for example the menu, and flashing when messages come | Oct 02 03:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its not that Ubuntu is bad, its not. Its just I like other distro's (but not all) better. | Oct 02 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | me menu, above | Oct 02 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: depends really, if Ubuntu is a good or bad thing | Oct 02 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | for someone | Oct 02 03:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: One World, One Linux: http://bit.ly/avufV3 #linux | Oct 02 03:50 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there's a little of both in Ubuntu | Oct 02 03:50 |
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| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: well yes Ubuntu has a mixure of both good and bad, if thats what you mean | Oct 02 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | strange Ubuntu only bugs for example | Oct 02 03:51 |
| sebsebseb | horrible Ubuntu only Gnome patching, and so on | Oct 02 03:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I stopped trying Suse after the Novell Microsoft love fest. | Oct 02 03:51 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu only meaning, of course that distros based on Ubuntu, would probably also have it, but that its Ubuntu's fault | Oct 02 03:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Maybe after Suse sells to another company, well we will see | Oct 02 03:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[einfeldt/@einfeldt] RT @partimus Got the second grade teacher at Creative Arts school set up with a new Linux computer today. Woo! | Oct 02 03:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @monikgtr Usemos Linux - Cómo instalar #LibreOffice en !Ubuntu y !Fedora - http://bit.ly/9x5ERg from google reader | Oct 02 03:52 | |
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| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: well yes, but OpenSuse is from the community not Novell itself? | Oct 02 03:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mostly its Gnome's fault not so much Ubuntu's fault that Mono is infesting it. Almost every distro with Gnome has Mono by default. | Oct 02 03:52 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: its also really Gnome's fault, why Ubuntu started patching it | Oct 02 03:53 |
| sebsebseb | I mean what noticeable end user features, were there in the latest few or so releases? nothing comes to mind | Oct 02 03:53 |
| schestowitz | [03:52] <sebsebseb> Chips_B_Malroy: well yes, but OpenSuse is from the community not Novell itself? | Oct 02 03:53 |
| schestowitz | Not true | Oct 02 03:53 |
| sebsebseb | except the Gnome background changer effect | Oct 02 03:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @laurelrusswurm rt @StopActaNow Danger of international accord on repressive policies in final !ACTA talks, says RSF http://ur1.ca/1w ... | Oct 02 03:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @jomonjohnn #Sintel - Another great open movie from !blender foundation : http://goo.gl/kV6B watch it on youtube: http://goo.gl/orqs ... | Oct 02 03:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @einfeldt RT @partimus Got the second grade teacher at Creative Arts school set up with a new Linux computer today. Woo! | Oct 02 03:53 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | So at one time I really liked Gnome best, but found it easy to switch to KDE, and now I will not go back | Oct 02 03:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/09/08/opensuse-full-time-novell-staff/ | Oct 02 03:54 |
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| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: and now Ubuntu's Gnome is so modified to standard Gnome, that well | Oct 02 03:54 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: people are even going on the Gnome IRC network asking about Ubuntu specific stuff | Oct 02 03:54 |
| hazzy | I never understood why people gave KDE4 so much crap | Oct 02 03:54 |
| sebsebseb | I think Canonical have something right, people from Windows and Mac OS X want new features in their OS, so yep this Gnome patching | Oct 02 03:55 |
| sebsebseb | however thing is | Oct 02 03:55 |
| sebsebseb | the Gnome patching they have done, has been horriblly implemented | Oct 02 03:55 |
| sebsebseb | even removing fatures that are meant to be there when it comes to some of it, such as shut down and log out in system menu, with the auotmatic shut down feature after a minute or so | Oct 02 03:55 |
| sebsebseb | after a minute above | Oct 02 03:55 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: I guess its since KDE 4 is a big thing, and it looks more like Windows by default, and then is all geek to customise | Oct 02 03:56 |
| sebsebseb | so people say KDE 4 is bloated and such | Oct 02 03:56 |
| hazzy | You have a point | Oct 02 03:56 |
| hazzy | But I still think it's awesome | Oct 02 03:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it looks a bit more like the vista UI than kde 3x which looked more like xp ui | Oct 02 03:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which is a mistake, IMO | Oct 02 03:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] A starting point for rewriting copyright and patent law: http://moourl.com/fj71p | Oct 02 03:57 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | not that it is bad | Oct 02 03:57 |
| sebsebseb | KDE 3 was pretty :) really | Oct 02 03:57 |
| sebsebseb | however I would still mainly use Gnome, with KDE apps in it of course, like I still do | Oct 02 03:57 |
| hazzy | Yeah, I used KDE3, too | Oct 02 03:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | KD4 will not work on this laptop | Oct 02 03:58 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: some people still use KDE 3 | Oct 02 03:58 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: why not? | Oct 02 03:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, at least Mepis 8.5 with kde4 will not | Oct 02 03:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it should | Oct 02 03:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I will wait for a newer version with kde4 to try | Oct 02 03:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe the Fedora 14 when it goes gold | Oct 02 03:59 |
| sebsebseb | when it goes gold? you mean when it comes out? | Oct 02 03:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Thinkpad R52 | Oct 02 03:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith It's an excellent film, pretty accurate in historical facts... | Oct 02 04:00 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lot of the older hardware doesn't seem to work well with KDE4 from what I have seen | Oct 02 04:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which is why I think maintaining kde3.5 is not a bad idea | Oct 02 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: well for Ubuntu some community member has been doing so for later versions | Oct 02 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | ,but thing is | Oct 02 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | KDE 3 will get even harder to maintain over time it seems | Oct 02 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | however I think there is even some sort of fork of KDE 3 | Oct 02 04:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not if it can be compiled to run kde4 apps | Oct 02 04:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sadly its for ubuntu and not upstream | Oct 02 04:02 |
| sebsebseb | well there is no upstream really for KDE 3 anymore? | Oct 02 04:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which is another thing that causes people to dislike ubuntu | Oct 02 04:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz M$ is falling from high altitude, it takes long... Oh, if regular people only stop giving them money out of fear... ! | Oct 02 04:03 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | when they modify stuff to run on their already hacked ubuntu, it might not work upstream | Oct 02 04:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like kde3.5.11 | Oct 02 04:04 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu Motorola refused to give them money, that's why it was sued | Oct 02 04:07 | |
| oiaohm | I am trying to remember the name the true attempt to update kde 3.5 to using the modern QT | Oct 02 04:08 |
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| schestowitz | Unity? | Oct 02 04:08 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: a bit of a lose power cable or whatever it was, and knocked the computer with my leg, and went off | Oct 02 04:08 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: so last thing for our convo for me, was when I said that there isn't really an upstream for KDE 3 anymore | Oct 02 04:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Unity? | Oct 02 04:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: did I miss something for me maybe? | Oct 02 04:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you m<oiaohm> I am trying to remember the name the true attempt to update kde 3.5 to using the modern QT"issed this: " | Oct 02 04:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you missed that | Oct 02 04:11 |
| oiaohm | http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ There is is. Project trinity | Oct 02 04:12 |
| sebsebseb | yes the pearson guy | Oct 02 04:12 |
| sebsebseb | did it for Ubuntu what I was on about | Oct 02 04:12 |
| sebsebseb | these remix KDE 3 CD's | Oct 02 04:12 |
| oiaohm | Its formally not KDE | Oct 02 04:13 |
| sebsebseb | KDE 3 was quite nice really, I sort of miss it | Oct 02 04:13 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah I miss it a bit | Oct 02 04:13 |
| *sebsebseb realy isn't much of a KDE 4 fan, but starting with 4.3 KDE 4 as a desktop environment would be useable enough for me to use without just going back to Gnome | Oct 02 04:13 | |
| sebsebseb | well with Mandriva that is | Oct 02 04:13 |
| sebsebseb | and I mean by default as well | Oct 02 04:14 |
| sebsebseb | Kubuntu uh no | Oct 02 04:14 |
| sebsebseb | Firefox insatler in Kubuntu for example, what the? and then still in menu for KDE or at least Gnome or both, when Firefox is on, last time I tried Kubuntu | Oct 02 04:14 |
| oiaohm | Problem with KDE 4.x is that is truely designed for a dri2 backed X11 server or better. | Oct 02 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I think the only two versions of Ubuntu that make proper sense are Ubuntu itself and Edubuntu, anything else is pointless really I mean like Xubuntu and Lubuntu, because of other distros | Oct 02 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the older drivers have not been updated to that level. | Oct 02 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | and most distros based on Ubuntu are pretty pointless really, because of better distros :) | Oct 02 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Really Ubuntu forks too much away from upstream. | Oct 02 04:16 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: you missed [04:08] <oiaohm> I am trying to remember the name the true attempt to update kde 3.5 to using the modern QT | Oct 02 04:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mint and especially Peppermint are interesting | Oct 02 04:16 |
| sebsebseb | well those two would be the exception I guess | Oct 02 04:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I might try the kde Mint based on Debian | Oct 02 04:16 |
| sebsebseb | stuff like Ubuntu Christian Edition and Satanic Edition and Ultimate edition and what not, all quite pointless really | Oct 02 04:16 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu forked off from Debian at really the wrong time. | Oct 02 04:16 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh? | Oct 02 04:16 |
| oiaohm | A time when Debian thought it was fine to maintain huge patch sets not merged with upstream. | Oct 02 04:17 |
| schestowitz | flaouring is OK | Oct 02 04:17 |
| schestowitz | Does have its place | Oct 02 04:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I guess some people will be interested in a religous fork of Ubuntu | Oct 02 04:17 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: flaouring? | Oct 02 04:17 |
| oiaohm | Since then Debian has learnt that it is not wise todo that. | Oct 02 04:17 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, but | Oct 02 04:17 |
| schestowitz | *flavouring | Oct 02 04:17 |
| hazzy | Night guys | Oct 02 04:17 |
| schestowitz | nn | Oct 02 04:17 |
| oiaohm | But a lot of the core maintainers of Ubuntu still have the failure to work with upstream effectively. | Oct 02 04:17 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: doesn't take much to make Ubuntu into a religious install | Oct 02 04:17 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: ok night | Oct 02 04:17 |
| *schestowitz will do some posts | Oct 02 04:18 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: about what? | Oct 02 04:18 |
| schestowitz | EVERYTHING! | Oct 02 04:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ok right so a blog post about eating oranges for example then :D | Oct 02 04:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: or maybe even better, a blog post, about writing that blog post :D | Oct 02 04:20 |
| sebsebseb | I mean for any blog post, but sure for the oranges one then :) | Oct 02 04:20 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: KDE 3.5 using QT4 libs is officlaly called trinity desktop not KDE. | Oct 02 04:20 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: ok so thats a sort of fork, but not quite | Oct 02 04:20 |
| oiaohm | But Ubuntu guys don't respect that either. | Oct 02 04:20 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: not gone on the site | Oct 02 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Its a full blown fork sebsebseb | Oct 02 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Internal code of KDE 3.5 has ben majorally altered to support QT4 | Oct 02 04:21 |
| sebsebseb | ok KDE 3.5 like we know it, but with QT4 apps so its up to date? | Oct 02 04:21 |
| oiaohm | QT3 and QT4 are not compadible. | Oct 02 04:21 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I should install something like that on real hardware :D | Oct 02 04:21 |
| oiaohm | trinity keeps as much of the KDE 3.5 interface as able. | Oct 02 04:22 |
| oiaohm | QT3 has major internal design flaws. sebsebseb | Oct 02 04:22 |
| oiaohm | So trinity funny enough is a smaller code base than full KDE 3.5 | Oct 02 04:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so it cannot run both the QT4 apps and the old QT3 apps at the same time? | Oct 02 04:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz: The general public gives them money, out of IT ignorance or lack of options (such as the need for non-free CAD programs) | Oct 02 04:23 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Trinity is form the guy that made KDE 3 for later versions of Ubuntu, quite sure of it, when going on that page | Oct 02 04:23 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and that would also explain why, they only seem to have versions for Ubuntu and Debian | Oct 02 04:24 |
| oiaohm | Again they are not KDE 3 its ubuntu miss labeling. | Oct 02 04:24 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: it says fork on the page | Oct 02 04:24 |
| oiaohm | QT4 and QT3 can run side by side. | Oct 02 04:24 |
| oiaohm | Problem is KDE 3 and KDE 4 normally cannot. | Oct 02 04:24 |
| oiaohm | Due to differences in file storage caused by QT4 and QT3 in configuration files. | Oct 02 04:25 |
| oiaohm | trinity removes issues like that. | Oct 02 04:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu @schestowitz I guess this time M$'s going to have it: Motorola's not Tom Tom. They have patents on uProcessors and Telco | Oct 02 04:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz @rsandu I'm actually rooting for Nokia to tag team with Motorola and sue M$'s ass out in retaliation | Oct 02 04:25 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Ubuntu 8.04 had both in repo | Oct 02 04:25 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway yeah I should give trinity a try in Ubuntu 10.10 as well, when I put on | Oct 02 04:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> trinity removes issues like that." which might make it worthwhile | Oct 02 04:25 |
| sebsebseb | the plan is to have all of this installed, Ubuntu with their sucky Gnome patches, but I will customise a bit, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Netbook interface Gnome and KDE, and sure why not do Trinity as well | Oct 02 04:26 |
| oiaohm | Really it would have helped if ubuntu and debian had called it what it was. | Oct 02 04:26 |
| sebsebseb | really it would have been great if it would run on other distros as well, but I suppouse they got to start some where | Oct 02 04:27 |
| sebsebseb | maybe someone will start a proper fork of Gnome 2 next year as well | Oct 02 04:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lets see if it gets into upstream Debian | Oct 02 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: probaby not that likely | Oct 02 04:28 |
| oiaohm | Really in time KDE 3.5 will fade. | Oct 02 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: which is the kind of thing I tried to say earlier | Oct 02 04:28 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.x is getting far closer intergrations with QT 4.x | Oct 02 04:29 |
| oiaohm | So code stack will thin. | Oct 02 04:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | depends if kde4 will run on all the old hardware out there that it doesn't run on now | Oct 02 04:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the kde3.x did | Oct 02 04:29 |
| sebsebseb | right yeah | Oct 02 04:29 |
| sebsebseb | and we may get a similar situation | Oct 02 04:29 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 | Oct 02 04:29 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.5 runs on more hardware than the prior ones did. | Oct 02 04:30 |
| sebsebseb | altough I think the old look can be used with Gnome 3 under the hood | Oct 02 04:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a lot of us do not have the newest hardware to work with | Oct 02 04:30 |
| oiaohm | Most of the KDE 4.x line has been reducing to lower requirements. | Oct 02 04:30 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: indeed | Oct 02 04:30 |
| oiaohm | Also part is galuim3d and others for dri2 support. | Oct 02 04:31 |
| oiaohm | KDE 3.5 has a lot of in built software rendering. | Oct 02 04:31 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: whatever those are | Oct 02 04:31 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.x expects the graphical system of the OS to provide. | Oct 02 04:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well something, either the kernels, Xorg versions, or KDE 4x is not running so well on the hardware i try it on, video problems | Oct 02 04:31 |
| oiaohm | Transpanancy effects and so on KDE 3.5 can software render it self. sebsebseb | Oct 02 04:32 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: your saying KDE 3.5 doesn't really need xorg? | Oct 02 04:32 |
| oiaohm | Where KDE 4.x need X11 server todo it. | Oct 02 04:32 |
| oiaohm | Really KDE 3.5 does not use hardware accleration either for those operations. | Oct 02 04:32 |
| oiaohm | KDE 3.5 needs X11 but does not really attempt to take advantage of what X11 offers sebsebseb | Oct 02 04:33 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh ok | Oct 02 04:33 |
| sebsebseb | and yes I thought it needed xorg | Oct 02 04:33 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.x trys to take advantage of what X11 servers should offer but if the X11 server not up to scratch opps hell. | Oct 02 04:33 |
| sebsebseb | opps hell? | Oct 02 04:34 |
| sebsebseb | if the xserver isn't good enough, problems with KDE 4 | Oct 02 04:34 |
| sebsebseb | thats what your saying? | Oct 02 04:34 |
| oiaohm | Xserver and drivers yes. | Oct 02 04:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Oct 02 04:34 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah ok theres this | Oct 02 04:34 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Oct 02 04:35 |
| sebsebseb | for me | Oct 02 04:35 |
| sebsebseb | KDE 3 is more user friendly as well | Oct 02 04:35 |
| sebsebseb | and probably for quite a lot of people as well | Oct 02 04:35 |
| sebsebseb | KDE 4 is uh | Oct 02 04:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu BTW, U R from Romania ? We love Paula Mitrache here in Brazil! Hot BABE!!! | Oct 02 04:35 | |
| oiaohm | KDE from 4.0 to 4.4 also has not focused on memory optisationas and the like sebsebseb | Oct 02 04:35 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.5 is the first to start working on memory usage optisations and read optimisations. | Oct 02 04:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would have wished for KDE to have limited support for KDE3.5 for longer period of time. I don't buy that they needed to just drop it. | Oct 02 04:36 |
| oiaohm | So yes KDE 4.5 is lighter on requirement than the past ones in the KDE 4.x line. | Oct 02 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Really KDE 3.5 on QT 3 become unmaintainable. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:38 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.0 was not rewritten from basically nothing for no good reason. | Oct 02 04:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | unimprovable without major work I would buy, but unmaintainable no | Oct 02 04:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu GNU/Linux has some decent CAD programs | Oct 02 04:38 | |
| oiaohm | QT 3 for windows management has not been upgraded. | Oct 02 04:39 |
| oiaohm | For general applications yes windows management no Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what they kde should have done is to make kde4 and kde3.5 as two completely different windows managers that both could have been installed on the same distro | Oct 02 04:39 |
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| oiaohm | kde 3.5 needs what trinity is doing. | Oct 02 04:40 |
| oiaohm | To be made maintainable. | Oct 02 04:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith but Nokia's CEO is a Micosoft President now. Stephen will bend over for Stephen. cc @rsandu | Oct 02 04:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: @dreamhost MYSQL database is down again . Please solve the the Request no 4039424. Immediately | Oct 02 04:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Ahh, yup... Forgot that. Interesting timing, huh ? | Oct 02 04:40 | |
| oiaohm | Lots of work lots of resources. | Oct 02 04:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 02 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Basically kde 3.5 got to the point of rewrite now. | Oct 02 04:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well you know i am just trying to hang onto that old hardware as long as possible | Oct 02 04:40 |
| oiaohm | kde 4.5 is lighter than its past ones. | Oct 02 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Kde 4.6 will be lighter again. | Oct 02 04:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but consider that a lot of windows users always try linux on an older computer first, which works better on kde3.5 than 4x usually | Oct 02 04:41 |
| oiaohm | centeral cache for icons kde 3.5 had. | Oct 02 04:41 |
| oiaohm | That was missing until Kde 4.5 | Oct 02 04:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | my main beef against kde4x | Oct 02 04:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and I use it on one of my laptops | Oct 02 04:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 4.3 | Oct 02 04:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith Yes, I'm from Bucharest. Paula IS great, indeed (and very beautiful), but she is not well-known in Romania, she lives in Italy | Oct 02 04:43 | |
| oiaohm | KDE forcast the time for the X11 rewirte wrong. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 02 04:44 |
| oiaohm | And the delays on that have made KDE 4.x line lot worse than thought it would be. | Oct 02 04:45 |
| oiaohm | The over memory usage has be another KDE 4.x head ache. | Oct 02 04:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they had the right idea, all I am saying is you don't have to throw out the old product which was kde3.5 and was doing well. Just maintain it every so little | Oct 02 04:45 |
| oiaohm | But it was breaking up due to the X11 server updades. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | because to me, clearly kde4x is not really seem like a continuation of kde3x | Oct 02 04:46 |
| oiaohm | The very things that KDE 4.x need to work well leads to KDE 3.5 malfunctioning. | Oct 02 04:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ah, ok, I see what you are saying now with X11 | Oct 02 04:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | also I know drivers get dropped in some of the newer kernels as well | Oct 02 04:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the older drivers | Oct 02 04:47 |
| oiaohm | its one of those rare rock and hard place. | Oct 02 04:47 |
| oiaohm | older drivers dropped because no one is maintaining them. | Oct 02 04:48 |
| oiaohm | So they are not updating to support what KDE 4 needs yep they work great with 3.5 because they are old and bit rotting stuff. | Oct 02 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically is a zero win location unforntanly. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "<oiaohm> So they are not updating to support what KDE 4 needs yep they work great with 3.5 because they are old and bit rotting stuff. | Oct 02 04:49 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.x is design to use compositing heavly. | Oct 02 04:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu Really ? She's big here in Brazil, at least was 4, 5 years ago, with the music Dragostea Din Tei (even I remember the name, so...) | Oct 02 04:50 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "<oiaohm> So they are not updating to support what KDE 4 needs yep they work great with 3.5 because they are old and bit rotting stuff." Ok, and thats why a lot of kde4 does not work on older hardware, especially laptops. This R52 thinkpad with Intel video is not that old. | Oct 02 04:50 |
| oiaohm | So reducing cpu work and using more gpu. | Oct 02 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Have a close look inside the intel drivers Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Big cases of bit rot and modern feature not being implemented yet. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | actually I have the same intel chipsets on my acer laptops and it works with kde4.3, go figure | Oct 02 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Some of the intel drivers are modern. | Oct 02 04:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz I use PythonCAD and qCAD, but for advanced, profesional AutoCAD users this is an area where GNU/Linux seriously lags behind | Oct 02 04:52 | |
| oiaohm | Some have not seen a coder in 5 years. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:52 |
| oiaohm | Ok some sections have not seen a coder in 5 years. | Oct 02 04:52 |
| oiaohm | Just happens to be used in 5 year old hardware and brand new intel hardware. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:52 |
| oiaohm | So yep sux majorally. | Oct 02 04:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not a problem of course if the 5 year old driver still works | Oct 02 04:53 |
| oiaohm | This case the 5 year old driver is a dog that should be taken out and shot. | Oct 02 04:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith Unfortunately, many Romanian artists are more known outside than in their own country... | Oct 02 04:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu AutoCAD head is now serving Steve Ballmer (in Yahoo!) | Oct 02 04:53 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well that probably the case here | Oct 02 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Big clue is if the driver is still using dri1 not dri 2 | Oct 02 04:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the Acer is a little newer, I admitt, althought the R52 is the better laptop | Oct 02 04:54 |
| oiaohm | If you intel video card is still using a dri1 driver KDE is screwed. | Oct 02 04:54 |
| oiaohm | Ie KDE 4.x is screwed. | Oct 02 04:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not sure how to check that | Oct 02 04:55 |
| oiaohm | Recently intel went to the extream of working out how to have KMS and keep the old dog dri1 drivers alive. | Oct 02 04:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least the R52 has newer intel wireless chipset that worked today | Oct 02 04:55 |
| oiaohm | To expand the time they have to rewrite. | Oct 02 04:55 |
| oiaohm | So expanding the time we have to put up with hell from intel cards. | Oct 02 04:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least they are not Nividia chipset that are known to fail in laptops | Oct 02 04:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz Traditionally, Romania is a country of WORKSTATION-only (IBM-compat PCs). In CAD, that leaves little alternative to AutoCAD | Oct 02 04:57 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In laptops Chips B on uses ATI or Intel | Oct 02 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Note the older intel drivers also give wine major problems as well. | Oct 02 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Basically dri 1 intel drivers are crud. | Oct 02 04:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | depends on how much of a gamer you are | Oct 02 04:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I guess | Oct 02 04:58 |
| oiaohm | If you find out or not. | Oct 02 04:58 |
| oiaohm | I guess that explains what the problem is Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz And AutoCAD is taught in Romanian technical universities as Bible :-( | Oct 02 04:58 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wine has done good on both these laptops with intel graphics, a credit to you wine folks btw, but then I don't do heavy gaming | Oct 02 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Really you will see a difference one day. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 04:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I stick to stuff I know people like, like the popcap games the wife has to have | Oct 02 04:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Offers More Filesystem #swpats Traps (While Suing Over Them Again), #RedHat 's Rob Tiller Speaks #tuxera http://ur1.ca/1weas | Oct 02 05:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @stav Happy !Birthday Pres. Jimmy Carter, 86 today. 39th #POTUS !Nobel Peace laureate. | Oct 02 05:00 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I had Civilization 3 working at one time, but cannot get that to work again. Once had Civ 4 working, but was too slow on the computer it was on | Oct 02 05:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Civ 3 might have been on Crossover or Cedega | Oct 02 05:01 |
| oiaohm | http://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxcap/ I guess you know of this. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:01 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | no | Oct 02 05:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Reading pro git, sipping kopi tarek and eating kaya toast. Weekend starting out great! #fb http://ur1.ca/1web8 | Oct 02 05:02 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | but have gweled, zaz, and jools all working and they free | Oct 02 05:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | besides the popcaps games in wine | Oct 02 05:04 |
| oiaohm | tuxcap allows some of those games to be run without wine | Oct 02 05:04 |
| oiaohm | and it uses way less resources in the process. | Oct 02 05:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | games are inportant to help convert windows users | Oct 02 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Really that is a mistake | Oct 02 05:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | downloading it, and will try it sometime | Oct 02 05:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | thanks | Oct 02 05:06 |
| oiaohm | We need better business intergration software. | Oct 02 05:06 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people use at home what they use at work. | Oct 02 05:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, we need MS Office to die | Oct 02 05:07 |
| oiaohm | I was not talking about MS Office | Oct 02 05:07 |
| oiaohm | Koffice and OpenOffice/libioffice both don't have user to user intergration built in. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:08 |
| oiaohm | Its been a weakness | Oct 02 05:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not as sure about that as you are | Oct 02 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Heck OpenOffice was missing a built in grammer checker by default. | Oct 02 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Really there should be like what blender does. | Oct 02 05:09 |
| oiaohm | for lets say 6 months a start up company has to live exactly on what is provided out box. If out box is not upto job coders have to fix. | Oct 02 05:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for business use maybe, for the average users, the office apps in GNU/linux are already overkill | Oct 02 05:11 |
| oiaohm | Big thing you forgot. | Oct 02 05:11 |
| oiaohm | average users normally bring stuff home from work and take it back to work. | Oct 02 05:11 |
| oiaohm | So the Business side has to work or there are incompadiblies. | Oct 02 05:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no matter what you do to OpenOffice, there will always be people who complaign that its not enough compared to MS Office. Its mostly they do now want to try something else as they are afraid they might have to learn something. | Oct 02 05:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | inertia | Oct 02 05:14 |
| oiaohm | Really openoffice has 3 major issues. | Oct 02 05:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "its too hard to move" | Oct 02 05:14 |
| oiaohm | You know MS Publisher. | Oct 02 05:14 |
| oiaohm | It provides you with great wisards for getting stuff done. | Oct 02 05:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 3 is a lot less than the ones that MS office has | Oct 02 05:14 |
| oiaohm | OpenOffice is rich in templates but very few wisards for documentation production exist. | Oct 02 05:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS Publisher, I really do not known that well. a friend of mine uses it that runs a printshop | Oct 02 05:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #MeeGo on TI OMAP http://tinyogg.com/watch/NRD3b/ !playogg | Oct 02 05:15 | |
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| oiaohm | MS word even has a lot of wisards. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I tried to help convert the friend to Scibius | Oct 02 05:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but inertial won | Oct 02 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Really Scibus and Publisher don't match up. | Oct 02 05:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The friend even converted to Mac | Oct 02 05:16 |
| oiaohm | they are two completely different levels of production tools. | Oct 02 05:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | nothing matches up with MS Publisher except for exporting to PDF | Oct 02 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Scibus is closer to latex than what Publisher is. | Oct 02 05:17 |
| oiaohm | Publisher is a heavly wisard driven beast. | Oct 02 05:17 |
| oiaohm | Truefully we have nothing like it in open source. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:17 |
| oiaohm | I can point to a few free programs that are has heavly wisard driven as publisher Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | unfortunately, my experience in desktop publishing was mostly in PFS Publisher v3.0 (dos) and in Lotus Smartsuite which was a office suite, not MS Publisher | Oct 02 05:19 |
| oiaohm | PFS and Lotus are in the Scibus and Latex range of coverage. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:19 |
| oiaohm | So yep to use Scibus would look fine to a MS pub user it will look like complete hard to use crap. | Oct 02 05:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which is properly why I liked the look of Scibus | Oct 02 05:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so your other suggustions of free programs for the friend to use that resemble the monkey boy's MS Publisher? would be appreciated, a good friend. | Oct 02 05:21 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PagePlus Is about the closest out there its not the same. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #MeeGo on TI OMAP http://tinyogg.com/watch/NRD3b/ !playogg | Oct 02 05:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] Join #fedora-india to attend online training session by @shakthimaan http://is.gd/fFO9N | Oct 02 05:22 | |
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| oiaohm | And its not for Linux Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | do you know if it might work on wine? | Oct 02 05:22 |
| oiaohm | Never tried in wine. | Oct 02 05:22 |
| oiaohm | I am more like you Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:22 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | no big deal, the friend has virtualbox on the Mac | Oct 02 05:23 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LyX << this suites my ends better. And might suite you as well. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:23 |
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| oiaohm | Since we are both around the same style of background. | Oct 02 05:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | No, you much more involved with the community than I am | Oct 02 05:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and I like your work with wine, a app I really appreciate | Oct 02 05:24 |
| oiaohm | I was meaning from a publishing point of view. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *an | Oct 02 05:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | k | Oct 02 05:24 |
| oiaohm | I really find scribus too limiting. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I have LyX installed on the other laptop too. Found it through one of Roy's links here. | Oct 02 05:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I do try to read most of the articles here | Oct 02 05:26 |
| oiaohm | Really a focus on wisard interfaces is something Linux and Open source needs. | Oct 02 05:26 |
| oiaohm | What makes SBS server kinda friendly a stack of HTA files. | Oct 02 05:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | too much windows like for many of us | Oct 02 05:27 |
| oiaohm | Wizards done well make sence. | Oct 02 05:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I did like the wireless wizard in PCLinuxOS, I have to admit | Oct 02 05:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it was smooth | Oct 02 05:28 |
| oiaohm | Really having good wizards is not being like windows. | Oct 02 05:28 |
| oiaohm | Its being userfriendly. | Oct 02 05:28 |
| oiaohm | I know that kinda goes against Linux nature. | Oct 02 05:29 |
| oiaohm | Maybe we need to think up a different name other than wizard for them. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Why my oldest brother liked Ubuntu best, in his words, "because it (gnome) does not look like windows, and kde does." | Oct 02 05:30 |
| oiaohm | People remember too many of the bad MS ones. | Oct 02 05:30 |
| oiaohm | Wisards don't have to look like the MS ones. | Oct 02 05:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie the basic idea is good. | Oct 02 05:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that would be nice | Oct 02 05:30 |
| oiaohm | Lacking them just makes your life harder than it should be. | Oct 02 05:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but not wizards for everything, please | Oct 02 05:31 |
| oiaohm | For documentation production templates and wizards make sence. | Oct 02 05:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | now if there would just be a way to get magicjack working natively on Linux | Oct 02 05:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apple is a Tiny Niche on the Desktop http://ur1.ca/1weh7 On a global scale, Apple remains just a perceptual luxury of very few | Oct 02 05:32 | |
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| oiaohm | wizards are for avoidng having 1000 templates the same just with things like background different in each. Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 05:32 |
| oiaohm | So making looking for what kind of document you want to produce hard. | Oct 02 05:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie for open office and koffice they would be a god send. | Oct 02 05:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe | Oct 02 05:33 |
| oiaohm | For documentation production. | Oct 02 05:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you might have a point | Oct 02 05:33 |
| oiaohm | Openoffice or koffice with a good set of wizards could go head to head with MS publisher. | Oct 02 05:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS Publisher is more of a joke than a good desktop publishing tool | Oct 02 05:34 |
| oiaohm | That is the point. | Oct 02 05:34 |
| oiaohm | MS Publisher is basically MS word without the buges and good wizards. | Oct 02 05:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But its what you learn first with many people, as in my friend learned it first. | Oct 02 05:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But it had a good tutorial | Oct 02 05:35 |
| oiaohm | Really there is no reason for word and pubisher to exist other than MS wanting money. | Oct 02 05:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, the greed factor again | Oct 02 05:36 |
| oiaohm | No MS Pub due to the wisards you can basically use it without a tutorial and still get decent results. | Oct 02 05:36 |
| oiaohm | The wizards guide you to decent results. | Oct 02 05:36 |
| oiaohm | Also makes the users lazy. | Oct 02 05:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and has lots of lockin | Oct 02 05:37 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Oct 02 05:37 |
| oiaohm | Really there need to be a project prepared to take it on head on. | Oct 02 05:37 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Kudos to the people at Page One@vivocity - they unwrap books without question. #fb | Oct 02 08:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #linux 2.6.32.24 released http://bit.ly/9aNvKB "This is only needed if you run Xen, there was a typo that caused problems." #kernel #stable | Oct 02 08:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Holy shit Microsoft, are you intentionally trying to kill .net? If so, can I help? Pleeeaaasee? http://ur1.ca/1wi89 | Oct 02 09:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Today I am 5 years at Red Hat. And I am proud to be here. | Oct 02 09:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Lightspark May Work Towards A Gallium3D State Tracker: With the Gallium3D driver architecture there's state tracke... http://bit.ly/drM3f0 | Oct 02 09:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: RT @sunil_abraham: Not true. You can provide 6 fingers. Your bank manager the other 4 RT @suvikas: You can fake your identity ... | Oct 02 10:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: An Excellent T-shirt relevant to the context. Good work @24hoursloot Team http://bit.ly/d3Xvap | Oct 02 10:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: 6th ViBGYOR Film Festival's Call for Entries is Open. Last date Nov 15th http://vibgyorfilm.org/2011/callforentries Please RT | Oct 02 10:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: @EngageMedia Can you publish the callout for ViBGYOR 2011 i uploaded in your website ? | Oct 02 10:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Peter Hutterer ("Who-T"): Thoughts on Linux multitouch http://bit.ly/9BuB3m | Oct 02 11:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Ik ben weer een grote pan "Limburgse Kippensoep" met 1 kilo kipfilet, asperges en champignons aan het koken. Dat wordt weer smullen ;-) | Oct 02 12:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Installed Win7 Ultimate and Ubuntu Maverick RC on my Lappy. Win7 will be removed today. Networking is seriously flawed. M$ Hobbyware :-( | Oct 02 12:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Ah, Saturday. Leaving behind the 6:00 wakeup alarm for... a 5:55 one. Hey, at least I get to start learning to skate today! Er, fall over. | Oct 02 12:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Installation program of Ubuntu Maverick is extremely n00b friendly and looks very professional. Great job !Ubuntu Devs! | Oct 02 12:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] just came back from Inception | Oct 02 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: We just reached 2000 signatures on the Create an independent O petition! Sign it at http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/docu... | Oct 02 12:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] yet more !MS astroturfers infiltrating !Linux groups on Identi.ca huh? @windowsseven are you official or unofficial? | Oct 02 12:57 | |
| cubevector | ok got a nice FOSS video | Oct 02 12:57 |
| cubevector | may be of some interest | Oct 02 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Provide link please cubevector. Don't leave us hanging. | Oct 02 12:57 |
| cubevector | wait a minute or so :) | Oct 02 12:58 |
| cubevector | can one put ogv on youtube? | Oct 02 13:00 |
| cubevector | oh well, I guess I can host it myself | Oct 02 13:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] €18 for a CD is too much for a student.Fix this @jefneve - Nontheless Imaginary Road by Jef Neve Trio is a musthave | Oct 02 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "It's more expensive with Windows" << more honest slogan for PC retailers who insist on using a MS slogan !Win7 | Oct 02 13:12 | |
| cubevector | ok, this is just a demo I made | Oct 02 13:13 |
| cubevector | it's about 16 megs | Oct 02 13:13 |
| cubevector | http://maxhost.org/other/konsole-demo.ogv | Oct 02 13:13 |
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| oiaohm | I had forgoten that feature exists. cubevector | Oct 02 13:17 |
| cubevector | yeah I thought it was worth mentioning :) | Oct 02 13:22 |
| cubevector | that was KDE 3.5.10 which I still prefer | Oct 02 13:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] New America Foundation supports The Document Foundation: http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/#newamerica | Oct 02 13:25 | |
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| cubevector | 16 megs for 7 minutes, not bad really | Oct 02 13:25 |
| oiaohm | You can still do it in KDE 4 cubevector | Oct 02 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Process is a little longer. | Oct 02 13:27 |
| cubevector | oiaohm, yes but you recall I said KDE was generally older on older computers? | Oct 02 13:28 |
| cubevector | that's the main reason I still use 3.5.10 | Oct 02 13:28 |
| cubevector | generally slower | Oct 02 13:28 |
| oiaohm | My machines I run kde 4.x on are almost 10 years old. | Oct 02 13:34 |
| oiaohm | So not that young. | Oct 02 13:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Steering Committee Members of The Document Foundation will present their idea at the OOoKWV in Munich: http://www.oookwv.de/programm | Oct 02 13:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu BricsCad also has a Linux version. And BricsCad is even better than AutoCad | Oct 02 13:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @thistleweb yet more !MS astroturfers infiltrating !Linux groups on Identi.ca huh? @windowsseven are you official or unofficial? | Oct 02 13:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @kernellogauthor Peter Hutterer ("Who-T"): Thoughts on Linux multitouch http://bit.ly/9BuB3m | Oct 02 13:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Winblow$, no matter what number(5, 6, 7, 8), just plain SUCKS balls. I study Operating Systems architecture, and winblow$ guts R a MESS | Oct 02 13:57 | |
| schestowitz | @jwildeboer what's this about? When did this lawsuit get filed? http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/actg_rht_acacia-subsidiary-software-tree-settles-patent-litigation-with-red-hat-1203479.html | Oct 02 14:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @jwildeboer what's this about? When did this lawsuit get filed? http://ur1.ca/1wq03 | Oct 02 14:02 | |
| schestowitz | Hi, jweyrich | Oct 02 14:02 |
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| jweyrich | Ola schestowitz | Oct 02 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Notice no redhat statement. | Oct 02 14:02 |
| oiaohm | I would guess Acacia pulled the pin. | Oct 02 14:02 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071011205044141 2007 schestowitz | Oct 02 14:08 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2010/05/01/novell_red_hat_win_verdict_in_linux_case/ The 3 years latter legal ass kicking schestowitz | Oct 02 14:08 |
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| oiaohm | I guess Acacia pulled pin before ending up in court against redhat again. | Oct 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex Oct 1st, 2010 at 2:21 pm | Oct 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz | If anything, I think Apotheker will make HP more unfriendly to free software. It is really debatable why Hurd was ousted. I happen to think he is removed by Microsoft because he engaged HP in free software “too much”. Acquisitions of Palm and Phoenix Linux BIOS tech as well contributions to GNOME and Linux kernel put HP on Microsoft’s hit list. Microsoft declared HP a threat in SEC fillings. Now Apotheker comes from proprietary | Oct 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz | company which is Microsoft ally. Make no mistake, SAP is enemy of free software. They feel the burn, and their business practices are incompatible with free software as much as Microsoft’s. SAP had a try when they released MaxDB under GPL, but they abandoned it after some time and continued supporting proprietary version. Since Apotheker lack experience with being a CEO (he was SAP CEO for only about a year) he will probably leave | Oct 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz | lots decision making to his underlings. And chief of HP software division is a Microsoft guy, appointed right about after Palm acquisition. | Oct 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz | From http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/09/30/hp-moves-from-chaos-to/ | Oct 02 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | [14:09] <oiaohm> I guess Acacia pulled pin before ending up in court against redhat again. | Oct 02 14:10 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean? | Oct 02 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Redhat does not normally settle. | Oct 02 14:10 |
| oiaohm | If they settle it for all of Open Source at once. | Oct 02 14:10 |
| oiaohm | So you would be expecting a press release from redhat. | Oct 02 14:11 |
| oiaohm | No redhat press release most likely Acacia has pulled the pin on pushing the patent against redhat. | Oct 02 14:11 |
| schestowitz | So you think they fake? | Oct 02 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Coming to a understanding has many meanings. schestowitz | Oct 02 14:11 |
| oiaohm | I don't think the patents are fake. I suspect is a case like there section of there past batch where the open source implemenation was way different so there patents did not apply. | Oct 02 14:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu see http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/10/01/autocad-2/ | Oct 02 14:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @jwildeboer congrats! I've just made 7 yrs! | Oct 02 14:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Zarmina's World http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap101001.html | Oct 02 14:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] New blog post: The C void Functions http://blog.robbychen.com/2010/10/02/the-c-void-functions/ (via @robbychen) | Oct 02 14:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "interesting" page on "making money online" http://www.clicktechjobs.com/search/label/Make%20money comments @windowsseven ? | Oct 02 14:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @jwildeboer just 5 years? you sometimes sound like it has been 50 ;-) | Oct 02 14:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] BT due later today, hope it just requires a new cable to the house. | Oct 02 14:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] anyone know if the "independent" Which "internet guide" is a !Windows back-to-front guide? | Oct 02 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] !wikileaks: "It's time to open the archives" http://bit.ly/b3PYS3 [PIC] | Oct 02 14:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "While the prices of some netbooks have started to creep up" yes Win7 has an effect http://bit.ly/ctzZno | Oct 02 14:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the "independent" Which guide to the internet for those who wanna look http://www.which.co.uk/documents/pdf/internet-189241.pdf | Oct 02 14:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] yep, the Which guide may as well have been written by !MS, they even show !IE when talking of online banking safety #fail | Oct 02 14:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] The Question That doesn't go away: Will the market ever see a Motorola Winblow$ Phone $even ??? I for one, GUESS NOT... | Oct 02 15:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bpglobalpr/@bpglobalpr] BPGlobalPR: California passed a law so we can finally go after the fraudulent online imposters at @BP_America - htt... http://ping.fm/O4aKl | Oct 02 15:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Is there any better (than impress, other than S5) FLOSS solution for creating awesome presentations? !fs | Oct 02 15:03 | |
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| cubezzz | what is SLS anyone remember? | Oct 02 15:09 |
| cubezzz | some old Linux distro I think | Oct 02 15:09 |
| jweyrich | cubezzz: a poison? heh. | Oct 02 15:11 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System as a linux distrobutions poison is quite a far description. jweyrich | Oct 02 15:19 |
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| oiaohm | cubezzz: SLS thank god is no more. | Oct 02 15:20 |
| cubezzz | yeah I heard | Oct 02 15:20 |
| oiaohm | I used it at one point. cubezzz | Oct 02 15:20 |
| *MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | Oct 02 15:24 | |
| cubezzz | Darkstar 0.99 was my first Linux | Oct 02 15:24 |
| cubezzz | never tried SLS | Oct 02 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Ok so a way latter one. | Oct 02 15:26 |
| oiaohm | SLS is about the first. | Oct 02 15:26 |
| oiaohm | After that comes slackware and debian. | Oct 02 15:26 |
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| oiaohm | Then a long way down the track after slackware darkstar forks out. | Oct 02 15:26 |
| cubezzz | way later? Darkstar 0.99 was 1994 :) | Oct 02 15:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] things fall into place about teaching tech/devel skills and open source. still have to talk to some of my friends about it. | Oct 02 15:27 | |
| cubezzz | In my younger days I was a Commodore person | Oct 02 15:27 |
| oiaohm | Lot happened between 1991 to 1994 | Oct 02 15:27 |
| MinceR | http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/1279/1264637379/blutack.jpg | Oct 02 15:27 |
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| oiaohm | Its one of the bussiest point of Linux history. | Oct 02 15:28 |
| cubezzz | heh, well we know MinceR no like iPad | Oct 02 15:28 |
| MinceR | we can at least laugh at it | Oct 02 15:28 |
| MinceR | and at its users | Oct 02 15:29 |
| cubezzz | I'm kind of bummed because all my old buddies are on Microsoft now (renewing friendships on facebook) | Oct 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | ew | Oct 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | you obviously were in bad company | Oct 02 15:29 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, this is going back to before Linux and Windows existed | Oct 02 15:30 |
| cubezzz | but they all ended up on doze | Oct 02 15:30 |
| MinceR | then they've failed at IT, at least a little. | Oct 02 15:30 |
| cubezzz | probably why I hang out in here so much | Oct 02 15:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 02 15:31 |
| oiaohm | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Gldt1009.svg Darkstar is not even listed here. cubezzz | Oct 02 15:33 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.cs.unc.edu/~faith/bogus.html But this gets a place. | Oct 02 15:34 |
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| cubezzz | oiaohm, I don't see SLS on there either | Oct 02 15:36 |
| cubezzz | and I never heard of MCC Interim :) | Oct 02 15:36 |
| oiaohm | SLS is on there cubezzz | Oct 02 15:36 |
| oiaohm | scroll down find the big mess of slackware | Oct 02 15:36 |
| cubezzz | ah, so it is | Oct 02 15:36 |
| cubezzz | darkstar did exist though | Oct 02 15:37 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, Darkstar is on there too | Oct 02 15:37 |
| cubezzz | part of the slackware branch | Oct 02 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | [10:31:51] <oiaohm> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Gldt1009.svg Darkstar is not even listed here. cubezzz | Oct 02 15:38 |
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| Diablo-D3 | its on there | Oct 02 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | what the fuck is it anyhow | Oct 02 15:38 |
| cubezzz | I can barely even remember it | Oct 02 15:38 |
| cubezzz | I think Ryerson used it back in the day | Oct 02 15:38 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm I think they have darkstar in the wrong place in the tree. cubezzz | Oct 02 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie why I did not find it. | Oct 02 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive never even heard of it | Oct 02 15:41 |
| oiaohm | You would not have harder of the distribution called bogus either Diablo-D3 | Oct 02 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only darkstar I know of was Sun's mmo platform that never took off | Oct 02 15:41 |
| oiaohm | There are many warped named distributions out there. | Oct 02 15:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How to be a data journalist - http://bit.ly/9A0v18 perfect for a lazy Saturday afternoon #datajournalism | Oct 02 15:42 | |
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| cubezzz | ummm, might be dead now | Oct 02 15:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and one of tesla's cars had a project name of that | Oct 02 15:42 |
| cubezzz | nothing in over a year, could be deadsville | Oct 02 15:43 |
| cubezzz | it was active until 2008 | Oct 02 15:43 |
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| cubezzz | one of the people I used to know used SLS, then basically went into Windows | Oct 02 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | it had a website, but its gone | Oct 02 15:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Just finished my first ever roller skating class. Only fell down one time, and starting to learn how to start and stop when I want to! | Oct 02 15:48 | |
| cubezzz | looking at Google Groups the earliest messages about Linux seem to appear in Oct 1992 | Oct 02 15:49 |
| cubezzz | er, 1991 | Oct 02 15:50 |
| cubezzz | Darkstar appears in messages back to 1993 | Oct 02 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | darkstar, apparently, is the default name of a computer in slackware. | Oct 02 15:51 |
| cubezzz | yeah, Darkstar 0.99 was 1994 | Oct 02 15:55 |
| cubezzz | could be two different distros called Darkstar Linux I guess | Oct 02 15:56 |
| cubevector | http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.os.linux.development/browse_thread/thread/a10b312e8b24d330/ad927b3d4ab5f35d?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Darkstar+Linux&pli=1 | Oct 02 15:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] @timbl - what's the current standard for open transit data? | Oct 02 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Accessing #SMART data about eSATA-connected RAID disks require “smartctl -d sat” … I wonder which one of the two disks it responds me about | Oct 02 16:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] !gentoo needs more #CJK users to help with cleaning up #IME packages and other stuff :/ | Oct 02 16:17 | |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: have you heard about libreoffice having loads of mono deps? | Oct 02 16:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @pingjockey: While i like the idea of LibreOffice... WTF is with all the Mono build-depends!?!? | Oct 02 16:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ah I have a feeling its ganna be a lazy weekend! | Oct 02 16:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @osamak !wikileaks: "It's time to open the archives" http://bit.ly/b3PYS3 [PIC] | Oct 02 16:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Blu-Tack rocks. http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/1279/1264637379/blutack.jpg | Oct 02 16:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @evan RT @status "Connecting the Social Web with OStatus at Future of Web Apps in London" by Jon Phillips (@rejon) http://ur1.ca/1wv7n | Oct 02 16:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Things I wish they had never invented: reply to all button | Oct 02 16:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Observations On Long-Term Performance/Regression Testing: At the Ubuntu Developer Summit later this month in Orlan... http://bit.ly/9D4fAD | Oct 02 17:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Edwards' Three Laws for Roboticists - http://bit.ly/cb9PSA rewriting #Asimov for #roboticists, not #robots | Oct 02 17:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] later today is now Wednesday, Grr. #bt | Oct 02 17:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] No Deal on ACTA: Japan Round Ends Without Agreement - http://bit.ly/cJIDWg we live to fight again, but it's getting close #acta | Oct 02 17:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] New Linux Outlaws episode released: 167 - On Her Majesty's Secret Server > http://ur1.ca/1wx9s < incl. Dan reviewing CyanogenMod 6 | Oct 02 17:32 | |
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| schestowitz | [16:25] <ThistleWeb> schestowitz: have you heard about libreoffice having loads of mono deps? | Oct 02 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Does it? has it? | Oct 02 17:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @pietercolpaert exactly! I found it very silly with Steve Jobs said that Multi Touch's patented in the launch of iPhone ('so?') | Oct 02 17:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A new media survey shows that the news no longer cares about "microsoft" (now "google" & "apple"). No problem, Microsoft sues for publicity | Oct 02 17:42 | |
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| dyfet | Here is a curious mystery | Oct 02 17:44 |
| schestowitz | hi, dyfet | Oct 02 17:44 |
| dyfet | http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-acquisitions-2010-10 | Oct 02 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, I had dozens of people link to your article about privacy last week | Oct 02 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Not sure you noticed | Oct 02 17:44 |
| dyfet | cool :) No I i did not notice though... | Oct 02 17:45 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: unlikely they bought any | Oct 02 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in some news site | Oct 02 17:45 |
| dyfet | So you think its a desperate pr play? | Oct 02 17:45 |
| schestowitz | TechFLash | Oct 02 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sponsored | Oct 02 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Bing sponsored, whatever | Oct 02 17:46 |
| dyfet | ah... | Oct 02 17:46 |
| schestowitz | LEt me read it quickly | Oct 02 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Mary Jo Microsoftr also did damage control | Oct 02 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Did you see my article about it (posted today) | Oct 02 17:46 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/10/02/no-acquisitions-and-coverage-this-year/ | Oct 02 17:46 |
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| dyfet | Yes, thats why when I saw this other article I thought I would discuss it here... | Oct 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft is just focused on organic growth or if something bigger might be in the works." | Oct 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Organic growth? | Oct 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | With layoffs? | Oct 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | And offshoring to India? | Oct 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft is just focused on organic growth or if something bigger might be in the works." | Oct 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | OOps | Oct 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | Oct 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | "UPDATE: Microsoft's Brown said that Microsoft has completed about 15 M&A deals this year, though a number of them were very small and therefore were not announced. [CB Insights only tracked announced deals). He also indicated that the company has entered into a few deals that are signed, but have yet to be announced. Anyone have any ideas on where Microsoft might be sniffing around?" | Oct 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | SO basically, Microsoft got worried | Oct 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | After Business Insider had linked to it | Oct 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | "He also indicated that the company has entered into a few deals that are signed, but have yet to be announced." | Oct 02 17:49 |
| schestowitz | SSPPPPPPIIIINNN.... | Oct 02 17:49 |
| schestowitz | My skeptic-fu blinks | Oct 02 17:49 |
| dyfet | Desperation to be in the news for something perhaps | Oct 02 17:49 |
| schestowitz | If they had said "3 quiet m&a" I'd say OK | Oct 02 17:49 |
| schestowitz | But 15 _stealth_ ones? | Oct 02 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "Mommy, I have an elephant under my bed again" | Oct 02 17:50 |
| dyfet | lol | Oct 02 17:51 |
| dyfet | Well, I was going to post an article on i4i and microsoft patent terrorism sometime this weekend | Oct 02 17:52 |
| schestowitz | "[Posted updated below with clarification on Microsoft's M&A deals.]" | Oct 02 17:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] News Bytes 2nd October 2010 – BitTorrent, Ballmer & Bonuses http://tinyurl.com/35vdmpu !bittorrent !microsoft !linux !apple !foss !android | Oct 02 17:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz A new media survey shows that the news no longer cares about "microsoft" (now "google" & "apple"). No problem, Microsoft ... | Oct 02 17:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Are Microsoft's results coming this Thurs? | Oct 02 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Might be layoffs after that if the rumours are true | Oct 02 18:05 |
| _Goblin | I havent read anything about results yet. | Oct 02 18:05 |
| _Goblin | oh and hi Roy | Oct 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | When companies are bought, then a PRODUCT is bought | Oct 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can hardly hide newly acquires staff | Oct 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | As it would have blogs | Oct 02 18:05 |
| _Goblin | bad boy ballmer didn't get his full bonus...that can't be a good sign... | Oct 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft cannot hide adding new PRODUCTS | Oct 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | And... | Oct 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft kills many products | Oct 02 18:06 |
| _Goblin | and assumingly the jobs behind those products. | Oct 02 18:06 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't jibe right that Micrsooft stealthfully bought 15 new PORTFOLIOS of products without a single mentioned ANYWHERE. | Oct 02 18:06 |
| schestowitz | They can't even name one company | Oct 02 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Neither can anyone here | Oct 02 18:06 |
| _Goblin | it doesnt matter though Roy, what Microsoft can't sell people, it will just suck from other sucessful products. | Oct 02 18:07 |
| schestowitz | [18:05] <_Goblin> bad boy ballmer didn't get his full bonus...that can't be a good sign. | Oct 02 18:07 |
| schestowitz | And the stock fell | Oct 02 18:07 |
| schestowitz | He lost a lot of value | Oct 02 18:07 |
| schestowitz | At least the wife stayed with him.. | Oct 02 18:07 |
| _Goblin | now she deserves a bonus. | Oct 02 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Another crazed marketer | Oct 02 18:07 |
| schestowitz | From W-E | Oct 02 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Connie Snyder IIRC | Oct 02 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he'll move to GM like Liddell | Oct 02 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Used cars salesman | Oct 02 18:08 |
| _Goblin | I certainly wouldn't buy a car from him. | Oct 02 18:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Busy backing up my data and finishing off a game review of yet another excellent !linux title! | Oct 02 18:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @thistleweb Mr. @rrix says "That's clearly a spam account not at all related to windows or ms." | Oct 02 18:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Too funny - the Singhsons - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cReHCdLBB5Y #fb | Oct 02 18:20 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: you have to | Oct 02 18:24 |
| schestowitz | It's bundles to your next house and it's hard to get a refund when returning the car to the estate agent | Oct 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | *bundled | Oct 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | A house without a car is "a naked house" and it's too hard to install a car on it | Oct 02 18:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @majestyx: RT @mgeist: Joint Statement from all the negotiation parties to #ACTA (Tokyo Oct 2 2010) - http://ur1.ca/1wn50 #ffii #swpat | Oct 02 18:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir Costs over $100 to view. #FAIL RT @isostandards: ISO/IEC standard for special mathematical functions (C++) http://ow.ly/2MiPR | Oct 02 18:37 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26094975517 "Actually it's illegal to use a title like PhD without having earned it. At least in my jurisdiction. So he'd be taking a risk." | Oct 02 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Oct 02 18:39 |
| schestowitz | THey think I don't have a PhD? Welcome to the world is delusional trolls | Oct 02 18:39 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26095815208 "The title "software engineer" isn't an academic degree. I guess if he claimed a PhD in computer science, he'd be in trouble..." | Oct 02 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | Chatting with the access troll, spreading libel about me | Oct 02 18:40 |
| schestowitz | And recommending stalkers, Microsoft boosters... | Oct 02 18:40 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26095205574 | Oct 02 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | mobbyists | Oct 02 18:40 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26096226934 "But he only says he has a PhD in a field where he wouldn't need to know much about computing." | Oct 02 18:41 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The mobbyists are now resorting to outright libel against me | Oct 02 18:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] General note: just because I do not respond to lies about me does not make the lies of any legitimacy. I just don't let mobbyists provoke. | Oct 02 18:48 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.icann.org/en/maps/board.htm | Oct 02 18:51 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I would have thought Nokia would have been above this! http://ur1.ca/1wzt5 #fb | Oct 02 18:53 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26157767348 "Meanwhile, a Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof will heap more praise on the Open Invention Network. #oin #sflc" | Oct 02 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26157610220 "Meanwhile, a Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof will heap more praise on the Open Invention Network. #oin #sflc" | Oct 02 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Mobbyist | Oct 02 18:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Waiting for Vodafone to change internet to new house. However, I love routers with a €3 a day USB wireless service :-) | Oct 02 18:58 | |
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| _Goblin | Hi Chips! | Oct 02 19:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hey Goblin, how you doing? | Oct 02 19:01 |
| _Goblin | Very well! | Oct 02 19:01 |
| _Goblin | very busy (as always) but well. | Oct 02 19:02 |
| _Goblin | juggling a job, family and foss can be quite demanding! | Oct 02 19:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and running a website as well | Oct 02 19:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so you got rid of the troll/shill ms fanboy | Oct 02 19:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !spurs 2 villa 1, nice ;-) !footall | Oct 02 19:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Boy Scout Magazine Says Don't Listen To Legally Burned CDs, As They're Too Similar To Piracy - http://bit.ly/asBZtH I just love this #scouts | Oct 02 19:03 | |
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| _Goblin | yep that too! and working on getting the first ep of my oggcast out too! | Oct 02 19:03 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: yep....I move all the insecure proxies he uses and put the comments into a text file for separate publication...thus giving him his freedom of speech without having the filth fouling up decent peoples comments. | Oct 02 19:04 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: created a nice little block-list | Oct 02 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as we found in Microsoft Watch, when they clearly cannot win the debate, they try t distract from the message with filth. | Oct 02 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | using host file? | Oct 02 19:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | to do that I bet | Oct 02 19:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but maybe best not to say here | Oct 02 19:07 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: yep. Robotron helped, he rose to my bait (as I knew he would) and bombarded me with hundreds of posts of filth...thus enabling me to create a decent block list. | Oct 02 19:07 |
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| gnufreex | hi | Oct 02 19:07 |
| _Goblin | hi! | Oct 02 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | we would like to think that spammers like Robotron and the filth he posts are not from employees of MS, but the truth is, they most likely are to a large degree | Oct 02 19:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not all of them of course | Oct 02 19:08 |
| _Goblin | I'm not sure...It would be nicer to think they were because the alternative is that theres someone on the net who's posting this filth off their own bat....which is worrying. | Oct 02 19:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it could have been just another nymth of gary flatworm too | Oct 02 19:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or is it flatfish? | Oct 02 19:09 |
| _Goblin | true....although the source is not a concern of mine...more the insults to other people. | Oct 02 19:09 |
| _Goblin | He spoke to Andre in the most disgusting way. | Oct 02 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | did not see that | Oct 02 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but then, I did not read all the posts | Oct 02 19:10 |
| _Goblin | now whilst I do not see eye to eye with Andre, I do not like to see that type of vulgarity being directed at anyone. | Oct 02 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which I usually do on your site | Oct 02 19:10 |
| _Goblin | they went pretty quickly. | Oct 02 19:11 |
| _Goblin | lets just say Robotron left no taboo or insult untouched. | Oct 02 19:11 |
| _Goblin | including offering money for people to kill my family. | Oct 02 19:11 |
| _Goblin | (and that was the tamer stuff) | Oct 02 19:12 |
| *schestowitz waves at gnufreex | Oct 02 19:12 | |
| gnufreex | \o | Oct 02 19:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its one thing to call Andre a shill, which he is. and at times in Andre's various nymths, he has got rather nasty with people. Still I don't think Andre would stoop that low as that one did. | Oct 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz | The onion-face is libelling me now | Oct 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Along with other bullies | Oct 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz | So I know I'm doing something right :-) | Oct 02 19:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | onion-face? | Oct 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft fired its internal auditor, regularly bullies reporters and has told numerous publications that I am an extremist. This might explain why reporters are afraid to print the facts, for instance that Microsoft took a $9 billion tax deduction for wages in 1999 and didn't charge a dime of this amount against earnings." | Oct 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html | Oct 02 19:13 |
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| gnufreex | That is a benchmark. When OnionFace are badmouthing you, that means you should continue whatever you are doing. | Oct 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: personal smears, based on lies | Oct 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz | They deny the fact of me having a highly repectful PhD | Oct 02 19:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Adopts Open Government License for everything: Why it’s good and what it means - http://bit.ly/cccvhW nice, upbeat analysis #opendata | Oct 02 19:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Earned with the head of Computer Science department | Oct 02 19:13 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Is it on Twiter? | Oct 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz | The mobbyist should be careful | Oct 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz | if he's paid by Microsoft to libel like this, I could sue his employer | Oct 02 19:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | florian? | Oct 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft | Oct 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26157610220 "Meanwhile, a Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof will heap more praise on the Open Invention Network. #oin #sflc" | Oct 02 19:14 |
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| gnufreex | Chips_B_Malroy: Yes, PotatoFace or OnionFace, that is his nickname. | Oct 02 19:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok | Oct 02 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Mr Dee-powered by wordpress+GNU+Linux | Oct 02 19:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | finding the connection with MS or a 3rd party company (front) to MS, that pays him can be very hard | Oct 02 19:17 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I thougt what I will blog about first. I thought about debunking OnionFace crap, but not mentioning his name. Speaking general. Then when CC on his tirade somewhere on internet, I link, so people know what they are up against. | Oct 02 19:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, Mr Dee (Andre Da Costa) and other nymths, could be proved | Oct 02 19:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but he is small time compared to florian | Oct 02 19:18 |
| gnufreex | Peopale are avoiding him so far, but not everywhere. | Oct 02 19:18 |
| gnufreex | So it is delicate dance, to make people avoid him everywhere, without risking those who already avoid him to start paying attention. | Oct 02 19:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe we should refer to him as 'the rumored MS shill' | Oct 02 19:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its hard to find the money trail with most of these shills | Oct 02 19:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mobbyists label Moglen "Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof". Keep it classy, gentlemen. !fsf #microsoft #smear | Oct 02 19:20 | |
| _Goblin | I don't think he has a MS connection personally....I think he posts in order to find favour with MS...If he was paid, he wouldn't make some of the comments he does. | Oct 02 19:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | with Andre, we know its at least free computers, software, most likely a paid website, hotel expenses, maybe plane flights, etc | Oct 02 19:20 |
| _Goblin | mmm.... | Oct 02 19:21 |
| _Goblin | but then "Its a shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see Windows7"???? | Oct 02 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, thats the point isn't it? to show just enough difference from MS to be believable | Oct 02 19:21 |
| _Goblin | thats not really how MS would like to promote (IMO) | Oct 02 19:21 |
| _Goblin | thats why I think he's a solo gift seeker. | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | It's a shame Vista7 didn't live to see Mister Dee | Oct 02 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS likes to create confusion and doubt | Oct 02 19:22 |
| _Goblin | lol | Oct 02 19:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody did you get the gwibber issue sorted out? | Oct 02 19:22 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | florian does thi | Oct 02 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | s | Oct 02 19:22 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: true, but that was such a bad comment, I really can't see MS doing that. | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | The mask fell off | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Heck, maybe it's like mysql | Oct 02 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS did not do that, its shill did | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Short term contract | Oct 02 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and an unproven shill | Oct 02 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe paid by the word? | Oct 02 19:23 |
| schestowitz | He's a .NET dev | Oct 02 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Part of their 'ecosystem' | Oct 02 19:23 |
| _Goblin | I think its very difficult to tell....after all, a deluded MS user could post in a way that was construed to be a MS shill. | Oct 02 19:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe even a contract employee? | Oct 02 19:23 |
| schestowitz | a mobbyist does not need to be paid | Oct 02 19:24 |
| _Goblin | and people talk about what they know....so if they are going to give praise and they are MS users then it seems logical they would talk favourably about it. | Oct 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Just to lobby in Microsoft's favour | Oct 02 19:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | good point, some are just fanboys, but not the ones with experience with Linux IMO | Oct 02 19:24 |
| _Goblin | look at my endorsements of Sabayon.......how do I prove I'm not a Sabayon shill on the payroll? | Oct 02 19:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I highly doubt that Sabayon pays anyone to shill for them | Oct 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz | If user_lobby=x, then discredit(user, "fanboy"+!x) | Oct 02 19:25 |
| _Goblin | true...but say I did the same for Ubuntu? | Oct 02 19:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | why pay to shill for a product you give away? | Oct 02 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Sabyon is this one Italian dude | Oct 02 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Whose dad sadly died ~3 years ago, maybe2 | Oct 02 19:26 |
| _Goblin | but he could have future intentions to sell | Oct 02 19:26 |
| _Goblin | and I could be part of his marketing team | Oct 02 19:26 |
| schestowitz | He has a hoster deal | Oct 02 19:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | where would the money come from? | Oct 02 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall who it was with | Oct 02 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I posted about it in COLA at the time | Oct 02 19:26 |
| _Goblin | same place Canonical gets theirs....enterprise/support | Oct 02 19:26 |
| _Goblin | or 3rd party ads | Oct 02 19:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Piracy Lawyers Face DDoS Before Pivotal Court Decision - http://bit.ly/avw9Jg the saga continues... #piracy #ddos | Oct 02 19:27 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Now Canonical has some money to pay shills, but I highly doubt they do | Oct 02 19:27 |
| _Goblin | shovel ware?....afterall World of Goo is defaultly packaged with Sabayon | Oct 02 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Canonical dvertises Apple | Oct 02 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they send tshits to people | Oct 02 19:27 |
| schestowitz | jono wanted to mail me one | Oct 02 19:28 |
| _Goblin | the point I make is that honest held belief (deluded or not) is very difficult to diferentiate from Shilling. | Oct 02 19:28 |
| gnufreex | I like how OnionFace got ignored on ARS. But Wakashizuma troll is funny. http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/microsoft-sues-motorola-citing-android-patent-infringement.ars?comments=1&start=0#comments-bar | Oct 02 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | [19:28] <_Goblin> the point I make is that honest held belief (deluded or not) is very difficult to diferentiate from Shilling. | Oct 02 19:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | emailing with permission is not quite shilling, IMO. Wow, here I am defending Ubuntu. | Oct 02 19:28 |
| schestowitz | THe OnionMan says he only lobbied what he believed in... for cash | Oct 02 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Like Real Madrid | Oct 02 19:29 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: I wasn't meaning emailing or Ubuntu....I was talking in general about writers on the net. | Oct 02 19:29 |
| schestowitz | So he did not rule out being paid by Microsoft to help Microsoft... and he cannot denied not being paid by them | Oct 02 19:29 |
| gnufreex | He obviously likes Microsoft. | Oct 02 19:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] WebP, a new image format for the Web - http://bit.ly/dboU3F don't see patents mentioned here: anyone know what's the score? #webp #swpats | Oct 02 19:30 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | be careful not to accuse him of being paid by MS or a front company of theirs. Rather imply or ask if this is so | Oct 02 19:30 |
| gnufreex | And sudenly he is calling Google to pay Microsoft to stop suing. | Oct 02 19:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Microsoft... has told numerous publications that I am an extremist... why reporters are afraid to print the facts" http://ur1.ca/0u2s2 | Oct 02 19:32 | |
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| _Goblin | "extremist" - Yep because you don't just do as they say and buy their products...... | Oct 02 19:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Florian is a paid lobbyist, correct? | Oct 02 19:32 |
| _Goblin | anyone who doesn't conform to them is extremist...in their eyes. | Oct 02 19:33 |
| gnufreex | Chips_B_Malroy: That is his profesion | Oct 02 19:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | paid lobbyist=shill | Oct 02 19:33 |
| _Goblin | MS arrogance dictates that users should do everything they say without question. | Oct 02 19:33 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <Chips_B_Malroy> Florian is a paid lobbyist, correct? | Oct 02 19:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@rrh re "is mobbyst name your original idea? :D" > no, the @ffii coined the term to mean lobbyists+mob | Oct 02 19:33 | |
| schestowitz | He was several times before | Oct 02 19:33 |
| schestowitz | It's his work history | Oct 02 19:33 |
| schestowitz | That's what makes his suspect | Oct 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | He confirmed that he was paid to lobby before, and I wrote about it. | Oct 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | He never denied not working for Microsoft, he escaped the question like a dozen times | Oct 02 19:34 |
| gnufreex | Jeremy Allison asked him that question on LWN the other day. He escaped again. | Oct 02 19:36 |
| gnufreex | Answered the other thread. | Oct 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | He did before | Oct 02 19:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | being found out as a paid shill for MS is not the end of the world for these folks. Take for example, Da Costa, I think he wanted to be found out as a MS shill. It actually gave him more publishicity for awhile. | Oct 02 19:37 |
| gnufreex | Unreleated. | Oct 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Then the mobbyist attacks jra | Oct 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Like they do in /. | Oct 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Calling him a google shill | Oct 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Or hypocrite | Oct 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | I saw how they do it | Oct 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Mac Asay sort of thanked me for helpingt to exposed Da Costa | Oct 02 19:38 |
| gnufreex | Novell guys hate him, becuse he did a right thing leaving that rat hole | Oct 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Cause Da COsta was trolling him in his cNET blog | Oct 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Which he apepars to have abanodned (Mac did) | Oct 02 19:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there are other ways to ask if he shills for MS. Ask him if he is paid by the word by MS? | Oct 02 19:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Countries reach tentative anti-counterfeiting pact - http://reut.rs/bVkVaT shoddy journalism #reuters #acta (via @StopActaNow) | Oct 02 19:38 | |
| schestowitz | Now he writes in his site OpenSOurces, Canonial, and Om Malik, who took Microsoft money to AstroTurf some years back | Oct 02 19:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Countries reach tentative anti-counterfeiting pact| Reuters .::. Size~: 61.01 KB | Oct 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: he preys on the ignorant | Oct 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | People don't read his site | Oct 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | So he floods many distinct audiences outside his site | Oct 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | While blocking comments in his own | Oct 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | He closed them down | Oct 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Cause they exposed him in his own blog | Oct 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Jose X told me | Oct 02 19:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so he needs to be responded to on the sites he trolls | Oct 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Feeding | Oct 02 19:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most likely he is paid the same way Da Costa is, by the word or paragraph | Oct 02 19:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but both are unproven, only with Da Costa with have the "gifts." | Oct 02 19:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Still attaching the 'shill' label even by just being a probably, will hurt his mission | Oct 02 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *probable | Oct 02 19:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Countries reach tentative anti-counterfeiting pact http://reut.rs/bVkVaT shoddy journalism >no, great journalism.. for #mafiaa | Oct 02 19:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Danger of international accord on repressive policies in final #ACTA talks, says RSF http://ur1.ca/1wchj | Oct 02 19:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Global anti-counterfeiting agreement still weeks away http://ur1.ca/1x1rr #acta #conspiracy | Oct 02 19:43 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | paid shill that is | Oct 02 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | shills like two things, money and attention | Oct 02 19:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its why Andre has to write in so often on Goblin's site | Oct 02 19:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in some ways, we of the linux community understand MS Shills more than most people | Oct 02 19:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/top-10-ideas-for-goldman-sachs-new-ad-campaign/ | Oct 02 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:46 |
| schestowitz | And the number 1 advertising slogan for the new Goldman Sachs ad campaign: | Oct 02 19:46 |
| schestowitz | 1. We put the douche in fiduciary | Oct 02 19:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] The Warrior's Way: http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/the-warriors-way/trailer Looks promising! | Oct 02 19:47 | |
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| schestowitz | MOG at | Oct 02 19:47 |
| schestowitz | And the number 1 advertising slogan for the new Goldman Sachs ad campaign: | Oct 02 19:47 |
| schestowitz | 1. We put the douche in fiduciary | Oct 02 19:47 |
| schestowitz | MOG at SYS-CON Media: " | Oct 02 19:47 |
| schestowitz | And the number 1 advertising slogan for the new Goldman Sachs ad campaign: | Oct 02 19:47 |
| schestowitz | 1. We put the douche in fiduciary | Oct 02 19:47 |
| schestowitz | DAMN | Oct 02 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Stupid klipper | Oct 02 19:48 |
| schestowitz | She chose the headline: "OpenOffice Kidnapped" | Oct 02 19:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is there any way that Google could sue MS for going after its Android OEM's? | Oct 02 19:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] So how on earth did Firefox reach 70% market share in Indonesia? - http://bit.ly/bAQqBT must be all those gamelans #firefox #indonesia | Oct 02 19:48 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | could it be cause IE suxs | Oct 02 19:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and too many people believe the net apps lies | Oct 02 19:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | truth is net apps is shilling for ms | Oct 02 19:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] I wonder if a Motorola based winblow$ phone $even will ever see the light of day. I, for one, guess not... ;-D | Oct 02 19:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Free to Learn: An Open Educational Resources Policy Development Guidebook for Community College Governance Officials - http://bit.ly/dth5kK | Oct 02 19:50 | |
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| schestowitz | [19:49] <Chips_B_Malroy> truth is net apps is shilling for ms | Oct 02 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Paid by Microsoft too | Oct 02 19:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yep, with Apple paying them 2nd in line | Oct 02 19:51 |
| gnufreex | You mean for ZFS suit? | Oct 02 19:51 |
| gnufreex | They setled | Oct 02 19:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, as sponser | Oct 02 19:52 |
| gnufreex | Ah, I just got that you are talking about analyst firm, not storage firm | Oct 02 19:52 |
| gnufreex | NetApps not NetApp. | Oct 02 19:52 |
| gnufreex | http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/actg_rht_acacia-subsidiary-software-tree-settles-patent-litigation-with-red-hat-1203479.html | Oct 02 19:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] So how on earth did Firefox reach 70% market share in Indonesia? http://ur1.ca/1x25c US stats!=world stats | Oct 02 19:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @agentsmith I wonder if a Motorola based winblow$ phone $even will ever see the light of day. I, for one, guess not... ;-D | Oct 02 19:53 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | it the site that always show linux useage as 1% or less, and when it gets higher, recalabrates its way of determining the percentage back down. | Oct 02 19:54 |
| gnufreex | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26182506567 | Oct 02 19:54 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe they cook the books | Oct 02 19:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and get the flavor that they are paid to | Oct 02 19:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | by their sponser (M$) | Oct 02 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Apple pays them too | Oct 02 19:57 |
| schestowitz | And it shows | Oct 02 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Opera used to complain about them | Oct 02 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Then Opera started paying | Oct 02 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Opera gave them opera.com logs :-) :-) | Oct 02 19:57 |
| schestowitz | “Analysts sell out - that’s their business model… But they are very concerned that they never look like they are selling out, so that makes them very prickly to work with.” | Oct 02 19:57 |
| schestowitz | --Microsoft http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Oct 02 19:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OK, I apologise for being distracted by non FOSS/Linux matters. I'll try to keep focus and not let agitations get in the way, Mea culpa. | Oct 02 20:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Reports of agreement premature: !ACTA Truth or Pravda? http://whoacanada.wordpress.com/2010/10/02/acta-truth-or-pravda/ !billC32 | Oct 02 20:03 | |
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| dyfet | http://planet.gnu.org/gnutelephony/?p=10 | Oct 02 20:04 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz what's to stop you from patenting 1+1=2 ? | Oct 02 20:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] <<and now i'm logging out and going back to get my novel !inconstantmoon finished! | Oct 02 20:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle is an open source of concern http://ur1.ca/1x2zy I warned about Oracle long ago http://ur1.ca/1x300 | Oct 02 20:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Keeping Free Software/Open Source Vendors Honest http://www.acrossad.org/node/61 "I really like the recent trend of communities forking" | Oct 02 20:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Forking Time http://ur1.ca/1x33v "MySQL alone has had at least four forks (Percona, Our Delta, MariaDB, and Drizzle). " > choice is good | Oct 02 20:15 | |
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| dyfet | I ended up just adding an interesting quote as the lead... | Oct 02 20:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Free to Learn: An Open Educational Resources Policy Development Guidebook for Community College Governance Officials - http://bit.ly/dth5kK | Oct 02 20:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @laurelrusswurm prior 'art' | Oct 02 20:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Dang I can't decide between the !ubuntu font or droid sans | Oct 02 20:18 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Oct 02 20:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Legal terrorism Microsoft style http://ur1.ca/1x3a5 "They therefore can use the mere threat of patent lawsuits.. like a modern day Capone" | Oct 02 20:22 | |
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| cubevector | man, this is bad | Oct 02 20:22 |
| cubevector | all my old commodore bros are Microsoft users now | Oct 02 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: commodore bros? | Oct 02 20:22 |
| cubevector | former commodore users | Oct 02 20:23 |
| cubevector | bros = brothers | Oct 02 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | thought you meant something like that | Oct 02 20:23 |
| cubevector | it's really disappointing | Oct 02 20:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @schestowitz Legal terrorism Microsoft style http://ur1.ca/1x3a5 "They therefore can use the mere threat of patent lawsuits.. like a ... | Oct 02 20:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @laurelrusswurm Reports of agreement premature: !ACTA Truth or Pravda? http://ur1.ca/1x3da !billC32 > media lies | Oct 02 20:23 | |
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| cubevector | I tried to explain I can't use a closed source OS any more | Oct 02 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: yeah I would rather not as well :) | Oct 02 20:24 |
| cubevector | one guy talked about PASH and how Microsoft and Linux could work together | Oct 02 20:25 |
| cubevector | and how "only Microsoft listens to it's customers" and "gives people what they really want" | Oct 02 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | Whats PASH? | Oct 02 20:25 |
| cubevector | I think that's the windows power shell | Oct 02 20:26 |
| cubevector | or part of it | Oct 02 20:26 |
| cubevector | "Pash is started to create an open source and cross-platform implementation of PowerShell via the Mono framework" | Oct 02 20:27 |
| cubevector | yuck | Oct 02 20:27 |
| cubevector | it is under the GPL though | Oct 02 20:27 |
| cubevector | I doubt my old buddies will even want to talk to me now | Oct 02 20:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “That as we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others...”— Benjamin Franklin | Oct 02 20:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] "C is not a big language, and it is not well served by a big book" --Brian Kernighan, Dennis Ritchie "The C Programming Language" | Oct 02 20:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] RT @seeds ♺ @seawolf: RT @glynmoody UK Adopts Open Government License for everything: Why it’s good and what it means - http://bit.ly/cc ... | Oct 02 20:30 | |
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| gnufreex | OnionFace smars FSF again http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26157610220 | Oct 02 20:35 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New GNU/Linux/FOSS audiocasts for a lazy weekend http://twit.tv/floss137 http://ur1.ca/1wx9s http://ur1.ca/1x3q6 | Oct 02 20:35 | |
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| cubevector | OnionFace? | Oct 02 20:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | We should be careful not to personally insult the MS Shill | Oct 02 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: Microsoft produce junk software, and lock the world in to it. | Oct 02 20:38 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! | Oct 02 20:40 |
| gnufreex | Chips_B_Malroy: He calls Roy "boycottBoy" | Oct 02 20:40 |
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| gnufreex | Tit for tat | Oct 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: gnufreex started it | Oct 02 20:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The !Linux Box http://ur1.ca/1x3tm "download on many platforms (Steam, App Store, Android Market, Ubuntu Software Center etc)" | Oct 02 20:40 | |
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| schestowitz | The poptato thing. Some months ago I thought to myself that he looked like an onion | Oct 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | His posts are apt... The Onion | Oct 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | FSF are spammers - Satire | Oct 02 20:41 |
| cubevector | there's a bit of a philosophical chasm | Oct 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is destroying the industry - Satire | Oct 02 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes Roy, but we must take the high ground, and not make fun of him with yours or my comments | Oct 02 20:41 |
| cubevector | former commodore types who used to dabble in programming will not program at all now in a Microsoft dominated world | Oct 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft "cooperative" on softtare patents - Satire (The Onion) | Oct 02 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I learned that from Goblin | Oct 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I hardly curse | Oct 02 20:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Now an anonomous user could make fun of him (potato face) I suppose | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | SOmetimes people lure me into it | Oct 02 20:42 |
| cubevector | when did you curse? | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | From either side | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I curse Ballmer a lot | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | "SweatyB" and all | Oct 02 20:42 |
| cubevector | that's not even cursing | Oct 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz | It just amuses me when [H]omer says it | Oct 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz | ChuckyD and SweatyB rock da stage | Oct 02 20:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | SweatyB is ok, even with MS fans | Oct 02 20:43 |
| cubevector | SweatyB is a completely accurate nickname | Oct 02 20:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | SweatyB gets no respect even from windows users | Oct 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz | They call me "boycottBoy" | Oct 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Or "glenn schestowitz" | Oct 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz | That's no better than me starting a tag #MicosoftFlorian | Oct 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz | The term "booster" is polite too | Oct 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Very objective | Oct 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE described itself as such | Oct 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz | How about #TheOnion | Oct 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz | To refers to reversals from The Onion? | Oct 02 20:45 |
| cubevector | schestowitz, do you know about PASH? | Oct 02 20:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | don't call him anything, only hint or ask each comment that he is paid directly or through a front by MS | Oct 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz | As in "Microsoft the good guy" - satirust | Oct 02 20:45 |
| cubevector | I just discovered it today | Oct 02 20:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: !Ubuntu 10.10 #Maverick Meerkat RC Comes Out With a Ton of Improvements http://goo.gl/DxeA | Oct 02 20:45 | |
| schestowitz | OK,I won't play their games | Oct 02 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Or using hash tags to mock | Oct 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Or using "Fidel" to criminalise Moglen | Oct 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Let's leave the dirty language to them | Oct 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Mobbyist is a cute term | Oct 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | FFII's term, I use it now | Oct 02 20:46 |
| cubevector | heh | Oct 02 20:46 |
| cubevector | good one | Oct 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Mob lobbyists | Oct 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Those who bully FSFE, FSFE, FFII... | Oct 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Mob | Oct 02 20:46 |
| gnufreex | It is objective: He stinks (of Microsoft), he looks like onion... | Oct 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Hybrid of mob and lobbyists | Oct 02 20:46 |
| cubevector | Microsoft Lobbyists even | Oct 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Like Mono boosters | Oct 02 20:46 |
| cubevector | or Lobbiers (is that a word?) for Microsoft | Oct 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz | [20:46] <cubevector> Microsoft Lobbyists even | Oct 02 20:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have no doubt after reading his posts, that Florian is paid somehow by M$ | Oct 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz | FFII said no | Oct 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I asjed | Oct 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I asked | Oct 02 20:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | expose him as a M$ shill if you can | Oct 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz | He was paid to do this type of stuff before | Oct 02 20:47 |
| cubevector | it's been relatively peaceful in here though | Oct 02 20:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like Costa | Oct 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Monty, Real Madrid... | Oct 02 20:47 |
| cubevector | no major fights lately | Oct 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz | He confirmed this to me | Oct 02 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Proper confirmation he was paid | Oct 02 20:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe a good job for Goblin | Oct 02 20:48 |
| schestowitz | And his excuse was that he does this only when he personally believes in the cause | Oct 02 20:48 |
| cubevector | how does Microsoft approach these people? | Oct 02 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Which would make Microsoft highly compatible | Oct 02 20:48 |
| cubevector | do they sign a contract in blood or something? | Oct 02 20:48 |
| schestowitz | [20:47] <Chips_B_Malroy> like Costa | Oct 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Not eough | Oct 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | There's nymphs | Oct 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | "Lucy" | Oct 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | "Mr. Dee" | Oct 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw thought TheOnion has a "Floyd" identity | Oct 02 20:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "<schestowitz> And his excuse was that he does this only when he personally believes in the cause" Because he is wants to believe deep down he is not doing evil. | Oct 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Satirist under another name... | Oct 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: yes | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "we are the good guys" --Microsoft TE trainingh | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Perfuming to oneself | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | People in armies are trained for that | Oct 02 20:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | does Florian uses proxies? | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "You only shoot monsters" | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "They rape our women" | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "he's not just like you... he's an evil scum" | Oct 02 20:50 |
| cubevector | sounds like brain-washing | Oct 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | See war propaghanda posters | Oct 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to make a person shoot a neighbour in the head | Oct 02 20:51 |
| cubevector | I'm sure it is | Oct 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | In WW1 some people intentionall shot above people's heads | Oct 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's why they are given drug | Oct 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Suspend human nature (ubuntu) | Oct 02 20:51 |
| cubevector | schestowitz, I can believe it | Oct 02 20:51 |
| cubevector | it's not normal to shoot people | Oct 02 20:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] From @schestowitz: Mobbyists label Moglen "Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof". Keep it classy, gentlemen. #microsoft #smear | Oct 02 20:52 | |
| schestowitz | cubevector: not unless you have child abuse | Oct 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Or some disorder... like Stalin had | Oct 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Scarred mentally | Oct 02 20:52 |
| dyfet | heh..."mobbyists" | Oct 02 20:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Dist update...successful, everything works well! Note to self, do dist but when RC comes out not beta! !ubuntu | Oct 02 20:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Meme du jour: "mobbyist" (mob+lobbyist hybrid) http://ur1.ca/1x48j http://ur1.ca/1x48k #TheOnion #satire #microsoft | Oct 02 20:57 | |
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| schestowitz | Glyn is back.. "yes, thanks, it was trivial but required too much brain power at a time I was running low..." http://twitter.com/#!/glynmoody/status/26196954429 | Oct 02 20:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] ♻ @giuseppe !icecat 3.6.10 released https://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=6543 !lpitalia !gnu | Oct 02 20:58 | |
| cubevector | I'm surprised how compact these recordmydesktop videos can be | Oct 02 21:01 |
| cubevector | only 16 megs for a video over 7 minutes | Oct 02 21:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Odd issue... #Firefox block access to savannah.gnu.org, saying it's a security risk !gnu also today: http://ur1.ca/1x4ci !gnu | Oct 02 21:02 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "<cubevector> I'm surprised how compact these recordmydesktop videos can be" Nice little program | Oct 02 21:03 |
| cubevector | Chips_B_Malroy, did you see my konsole video? | Oct 02 21:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no | Oct 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | You did it wrong | Oct 02 21:05 |
| schestowitz | You need mime types set up | Oct 02 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Your server sends me a binary | Oct 02 21:05 |
| schestowitz | You need to tell it to send ogv correctly | Oct 02 21:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] While trying to access "GNU IceCat 3.6.10" (Firefox fork) #mozilla is warning me and has me jump though hoops due to "security" block !gnu | Oct 02 21:05 | |
| cubevector | hmmm? | Oct 02 21:05 |
| cubevector | how do I do that? | Oct 02 21:05 |
| schestowitz | v | Oct 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tipapachexhtml/index.html | Oct 02 21:06 |
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| cubevector | ok Chips_B_Malroy, just wget it then | Oct 02 21:06 |
| cubevector | http://maxhost.org/other/konsole-demo.ogv | Oct 02 21:06 |
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| cubevector | I think that's the right URL | Oct 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna put it in daily links | Oct 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | For streaming | Oct 02 21:06 |
| cubevector | schestowitz, it's on youtube as well | Oct 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | but type was ruining <video> capability | Oct 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: youtube is for Trash | Oct 02 21:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 15.8mb saving it now | Oct 02 21:07 |
| cubevector | ok, I just use mplayer usually | Oct 02 21:08 |
| cubevector | for playback | Oct 02 21:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I like the smplayer shell | Oct 02 21:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and vlc | Oct 02 21:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | kaffine | Oct 02 21:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *kaffiene | Oct 02 21:09 |
| cubevector | schestowitz, what happens on windows, can windows users play ogv files? | Oct 02 21:09 |
| cubevector | see, there might be a use for youtube in those cases | Oct 02 21:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not natively they cannot | Oct 02 21:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New IDG headline: "Is open source a dead end for desktop applications?" (question mark="I provoke") article contains massive MSOffice ad :-) | Oct 02 21:10 | |
| cubevector | so do I make a line for video/ogv in mime.types? | Oct 02 21:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS hates any codec it cannot own or control | Oct 02 21:11 |
| cubevector | I want dozers to see how awesome konsole is :) | Oct 02 21:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | came up in gxine as default | Oct 02 21:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubeman | Oct 02 21:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #SimplyMEPIS 8.5 [Review] http://ur1.ca/1x4jk "try the LiveCD for yourself" !debian !gnu !linux | Oct 02 21:13 | |
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| cubevector | ok, schestowitz, try again | Oct 02 21:13 |
| cubevector | on firefox I it up for mplayer | Oct 02 21:15 |
| cubevector | I set it up | Oct 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Guest-commentary-Open-Core-is-over-1097073.html | Oct 02 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | cubevector: I'll link it up later | Oct 02 21:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have been watching it for a few minutes | Oct 02 21:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Articles are a documentation of facts, not a consulation, query, or survey. Why are so many headlines still ending with question marks? | Oct 02 21:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Weekend project worth doing: run parser through titles of academic journalsl looking for "?", then the same for tech trade press. #troll | Oct 02 21:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The world needs more sceptics in order to counter the vast # of people who work in "PR" and "marketing", allegedly $1tr/annum market in US | Oct 02 21:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] David Sugar: Legal terrorism Microsoft style http://ping.fm/Fp7QG | Oct 02 21:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "In the United States,for example [...] over a trillion dollars per year, is devoted to marketing." http://ur1.ca/1x4pi | Oct 02 21:23 | |
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| schestowitz | dyfet: ^^ | Oct 02 21:24 |
| cubevector | schestowitz, I deal with some customers who have never even heard of a non-microsoft OS | Oct 02 21:25 |
| cubevector | also marketing can be positive | Oct 02 21:25 |
| cubevector | I realize that often times it is not a positive force | Oct 02 21:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Stuxnet. Iran makes arrests - ur1.ca/1x4qd | Oct 02 21:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Filling out a PAQ (personal aptitude quiz) for a job position...damn it's harder than you think to answer questions about oneself. | Oct 02 21:28 | |
| schestowitz | [21:25] <cubevector> schestowitz, I deal with some customers who have never even heard of a non-microsoft OS | Oct 02 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I.e. people who don't know what OS means | Oct 02 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | They think it's part of the "compuper" [si] | Oct 02 21:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera For a moment there I thought they had arrested Ballmer ;-) | Oct 02 21:32 | |
| cubevector | id est = that is, it's a small quibble :) | Oct 02 21:33 |
| cubevector | Exempli Gratia is more what you mean | Oct 02 21:34 |
| cubevector | there was a good video on the X window system on youtube | Oct 02 21:36 |
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| qu1j0t3 | jweyrich: boa tarde | Oct 02 21:37 |
| jweyrich | boa tarde qu1j0t3 ;) | Oct 02 21:37 |
| dyfet | schestowitz they elected me a community membership so I created a separate ubuntu specific blog awhile ago | Oct 02 21:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #MariaDB 5.2.2-gamma is released http://ur1.ca/1x4yc #MySQL #fork #Drizzle goes beta http://ur1.ca/1x4yd | Oct 02 21:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Future of the Web: How #Firefox Panorama and Aza Raskin will shape the Web http://ur1.ca/1x502 "used by 400,000,000 users" | Oct 02 21:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz ha ha, Balmer & co would have been suspects except for the fact that Stuxnet was sophisticated. | Oct 02 21:47 | |
| dyfet | well, they are responsible for a defective by design system... | Oct 02 21:47 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: welcome | Oct 02 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | ඉතස ඔක | Oct 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/53672488 | Oct 02 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | "Notice deleted." | Oct 02 21:54 |
| gnufreex | What suposed to be there? | Oct 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | dyfet`: firefox has gnu blocked.. | Oct 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "they trust different certificate providers than we; installing the CaCert.org root certificate or using gNS solves this problem" http://identi.ca/conversation/53223146#notice-53674194 | Oct 02 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: weird text | Oct 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/53227024#notice-53677591 "i didn't get you?" | Oct 02 21:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @schestowitz around half of a Hollywood movie's "cost" is marketing, it's budgeted for | Oct 02 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | Sometimes, like in the case of @bkuhn , someone in Twitter gets messages addressed to an identically-named person in identi.ca | Oct 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Odd. The bot missed this dent: The difference between mobbyists and the FSF is that the latter group does not attempt to romanticise its cause. Suppression vs Freedom. | Oct 02 21:59 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: maybe bc u tweeted it instead? | Oct 02 22:02 |
| schestowitz | No | Oct 02 22:02 |
| schestowitz | It went via identica | Oct 02 22:02 |
| schestowitz | It's a little lossy | Oct 02 22:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] !listening to Gangster's Paradise by Coolio from Dangerous Minds | Oct 02 22:03 | |
| gnufreex | [22:53:47] <schestowitz> gnufreex: weird text | Oct 02 22:03 |
| gnufreex | It might be aliens!!!1 lol (joking) | Oct 02 22:03 |
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| dyfet | schestowitz I am having stranglely miserable connectivity today, so i missed what you said about gnu being ?blocked? | Oct 02 22:06 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: How do you get conversation view in identica? I tried to find it in options, but I only get indvidual notices, or bunch of notices. No conetxt. | Oct 02 22:07 |
| ThistleWeb | gnufreex: it depends ont he client | Oct 02 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | I use Pino, it' says "in reply to" or whatverm click that and the convo comes up | Oct 02 22:10 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 02 22:10 |
| ThistleWeb | sometimes I think it's just a one or 2 dent convo only to find others have replied too and it's 7 or 8 long | Oct 02 22:10 |
| gnufreex | www.identi.ca directly doesn't have that? | Oct 02 22:10 |
| ThistleWeb | no idea, I dont use the site | Oct 02 22:10 |
| gnufreex | I use Gwibber, it sucks | Oct 02 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | other cloients have that feature in their own ways | Oct 02 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | try pino | Oct 02 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | if you use gtk that is, choqok is nice too for kde | Oct 02 22:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz That's what I would have thought, except from what I've heard, prior art didn't stop them patenting either the wheel or fire. | Oct 02 22:12 | |
| gnufreex | pino or pinot? I only find pinot | Oct 02 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | pino | Oct 02 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | what distro do you use? | Oct 02 22:13 |
| gnufreex | I currently, Ubunut. | Oct 02 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not in many repos yet as far as I know, I had to add a sid repo for debian squeeze but its fine | Oct 02 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, its in getdeb | Oct 02 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | the repo is currently down but you can install the .deb from getdeb.net | Oct 02 22:14 |
| gnufreex | I am in proces moving everything to Fedora anyways. | Oct 02 22:14 |
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| gnufreex | Waithing 14 to go final | Oct 02 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | sadly the rolover says "pino, not only a twitter client, but it works great with identica, and currently is broken for teiwtter after the 0auth changes | Oct 02 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | offhand I think it's a code.google.com homepage where you can compile from source if you prefer | Oct 02 22:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Man this 4 year old laptop is running smooth with 10.10 very impressive! :D | Oct 02 22:17 | |
| qu1j0t3 | only 4 yrs old haha | Oct 02 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's new | Oct 02 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | :| | Oct 02 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | i guess i must be getting old, the timeframes for these kids are so short | Oct 02 22:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Feeling very grateful for the great work of my many colleagues at #Red_Hat -- all over the world. You guys rock so hard. | Oct 02 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: he needs to get the ones with the shiny design | Oct 02 22:19 |
| schestowitz | And the new Intel sticker | Oct 02 22:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | apparently | Oct 02 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "Intel inside" is so yesterday | Oct 02 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Get "leap ahead" | Oct 02 22:19 |
| *qu1j0t3 types this in a PowerPC laptop... screw Intel ;-) | Oct 02 22:19 | |
| schestowitz | Intel has criminals in charge | Oct 02 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Obstructing justice | Oct 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Deleting mail about the bribes | Oct 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Killing OLPC | Oct 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Merciless | Oct 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Gotta make the $$ | Oct 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Never mind kids you stomp on.. | Oct 02 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | the "in reply to" is handy when someone replies to something you said a few days before and think "wtf was that all about?", then it makes sense when tied tot he dent | Oct 02 22:20 |
| gnufreex | Intel was always a criminal organization | Oct 02 22:21 |
| gnufreex | Just read AMD-Intel crosslicensing agreement and you get the picture. | Oct 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: or groups discussions | Oct 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | To keep them all chained | Oct 02 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | not had much of that but yeah | Oct 02 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | for me it's just a reminder to make sense of a reply dent | Oct 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/statuses/26205930065 "It doesn't need to. One works, one doesn't. One is factual, the other is fabrication. #DieMicrosoftDie" | Oct 02 22:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / TT: @schestowitz It doesn't ne ... .::. Size~: 12.61 KB | Oct 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | fabrication as i AstroTurf | Oct 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Pretend that corporation profits are activism | Oct 02 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | the capitalist system is built on greed, always gotta make more than last yr, no matter what, or you're seen as failing, which cause stock prices to dip | Oct 02 22:32 |
| ThistleWeb | ans a lot of sharegolders are the "don't ask, don't tell" type, they dont care the details, or the legaility of them | Oct 02 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | and any costs in covering up, smearing, attacking, evading court or evading justice, paying fines etc are all just a figure on the cost of doing buisness | Oct 02 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | they know, the bigger the corp, the more influence and power they have at avoiding justice for anything they get accused of, even if there's loads of evidence | Oct 02 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | doing well is never enough, it's always more more more | Oct 02 22:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | +1 | Oct 02 22:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | "by whatever means necessary" | Oct 02 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | how many people invest in large companies that do incredible damage | Oct 02 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | ethics never count until it hits the PR of the customers | Oct 02 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | they don't mind paying slave wages in swweatshops, that helps the profits, what they DO mind is being outed for it, and a potential public boycott for it | Oct 02 22:38 |
| ThistleWeb | the PR whitewashing is all just a business expense | Oct 02 22:40 |
| ThistleWeb | which includes funds to smear, discredit and silence whistleblowers | Oct 02 22:40 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the golden rule; those who have the gold, make the rules | Oct 02 22:41 |
| _Goblin | Off topic - I missed this a few days ago: http://jimpurbrick.com/2010/09/29/another-age-must-be-judge/ | Oct 02 22:41 |
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| _Goblin | Mr Purbrick leaves Linden Labs? | Oct 02 22:42 |
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| ThistleWeb | I know Neuro works for them, or used to | Oct 02 22:43 |
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| ThistleWeb | not sure he'll be chuffed at MS's interest | Oct 02 22:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 2/10/2010: #Wine 1.3.4, Firefox Claimed at 70% in #Indonesia http://ur1.ca/1x627 !Techrights #roundup | Oct 02 22:43 | |
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| schestowitz | cubevector: your mimetype's still wrong | Oct 02 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | heh I got a 40 year old guy holding a grudge against me | Oct 02 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | 40 or something like that yeah | Oct 02 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I think Chrome gets it right, Firefox does not. Maybe I'm wrong. Load up http://techrights.org/2010/10/02/firefox-in-indonesia/#Clip in FIrefox | Oct 02 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | See if it plays | Oct 02 22:46 |
| cubevector | schestowitz, I just tried it, so did Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 02 22:46 |
| cubevector | in Firefox | Oct 02 22:46 |
| cubevector | I right-click and it works | Oct 02 22:47 |
| schestowitz | works OK in the <video>? | Oct 02 22:47 |
| cubevector | if I right-click it works | Oct 02 22:47 |
| cubevector | right-click then "view video" | Oct 02 22:48 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Who? | Oct 02 22:49 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: can anyone check with another Webkit browser? | Oct 02 22:49 |
| cubevector | I'll have a look at the source, brb | Oct 02 22:49 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: someone online? | Oct 02 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: some guy who came to Mageia UK | Oct 02 22:49 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: oh. | Oct 02 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and then when I was gone the other day, he got like two others to join or whatever, then later I explain how that was fine since it was from that mageia main channel, but then I started explaining to him how not to channel promote as well | Oct 02 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and then he misunderstood or whatever, and stormed off, and has been on since, but well he just told me he is holding a grudge even | Oct 02 22:50 |
| cubevector | ah ok | Oct 02 22:50 |
| cubevector | I see the possible problem | Oct 02 22:50 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Im going to sound really thick here.....whats Mageia UK? | Oct 02 22:50 |
| cubevector | let me try something | Oct 02 22:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wine on ARM, that is interesting | Oct 02 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: he made a map for us on Google Maps though, which I shoudn' really link to anymore, since it won't get updated | Oct 02 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | I think I already told you about that _Goblin maybe you forgot | Oct 02 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | I am going to run the UK community for Mageia, the Mandriva fork :) | Oct 02 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | with other people of course :) | Oct 02 22:51 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: if you did it was late... | Oct 02 22:51 |
| cubevector | hmmm | Oct 02 22:51 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: the "UK" bit threw me....I see now. | Oct 02 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | a nice proper way to contribute to open source :) | Oct 02 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | instead of just a load of Ubuntu support or whatever | Oct 02 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah I don't even like Ubuntu that much anymore | Oct 02 22:52 |
| _Goblin | fair enough... | Oct 02 22:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/9927-ubuntu-is-not-a-charity-shuttleworth | Oct 02 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Support community distros | Oct 02 22:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My brother-in-law bought one of those cheap 7" arm netbooks fro $99 in a drug store, I think it has CE on it, as he calls it a toy | Oct 02 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: so yeah we got the IRC channel, and starting to build up a community, and thats about all we can do untill theres an ISO | Oct 02 22:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *for | Oct 02 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: thats what Mageia will be a community distro :) with a non profit organisation behind it | Oct 02 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | and indeed support true community distros :) | Oct 02 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: you see the possible problem? | Oct 02 22:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the fact that these cheap 7" arm netbooks are in stores in calif should have Ballmer sweating even more | Oct 02 22:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | doubt that MS makes much of anything off of CE | Oct 02 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I guess its just how it is really, run a channel like that, and bound to annoy some people, be it a misunderstanding or otherwise | Oct 02 22:55 |
| cubevector | well I'm not sure it's right on the server side, but it does work if I use right-click then view video | Oct 02 22:55 |
| cubevector | let me try konqueror | Oct 02 22:55 |
| cubevector | works in konqueror | Oct 02 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: its ashame when people get annoyed though | Oct 02 22:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I wonder if wine will come out with an Android version? | Oct 02 22:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would guess not | Oct 02 22:59 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: how is wine dev doing on OSX? | Oct 02 23:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Still, this is something that would further Google's plan for both Android and ChromeOS | Oct 02 23:00 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 02 23:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry, I don't run OSX, so I can't tell you | Oct 02 23:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Oiaham is the wine guy here, but not on till later maybe | Oct 02 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ok night | Oct 02 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The problem with these ARM cheap Chinese laptops is no bios, so it is hard to change the OS from what comes on it | Oct 02 23:02 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: ok thankyou I'm simply stating the development progress of OSX can give a clue of the chances of Android. | Oct 02 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I might be able to borrow the brother-in-laws 7" netbook just to review it | Oct 02 23:03 |
| Ziomatrix | Chip_B_Malroy: use an SD based bootloader? | Oct 02 23:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "<Ziomatrix> Chips_B_Malroy: ok thankyou I'm simply stating the development progress of OSX can give a clue of the chances of Android." I don't think I said that or anything even close. | Oct 02 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry, I read that wrong | Oct 02 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the only way I see is a bootloader app for CE is what most use | Oct 02 23:05 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: Meego or even WebOS would be easier mobile OSs to port WINE since they easily offer root access. | Oct 02 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what we really need is a way to hack Android so we can add in GNU and Xorg | Oct 02 23:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | same with ChromeOS | Oct 02 23:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the kernel although modified is there, just not GNU | Oct 02 23:07 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | If they can be bought now in the drug stores in calif for $99 for a 7" arm netbook, then there will be a lot of these "toys" in people's houses soon. | Oct 02 23:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I doubt MS makes much off of CE on these. | Oct 02 23:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I will ask to borrow it | Oct 02 23:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Welcome, webp http://mashable.com/2010/09/30/google-webp/ | Oct 02 23:15 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Most likely MS is making less if anything on CE on these 7" netbooks than it made selling XP Home for $15 on regular intel based Netbooks. | Oct 02 23:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | I built the webp sample decoder on os x/powerpc. It didn't work out of the box, corrupt image. :-/ | Oct 02 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODU4Nw | Oct 02 23:17 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the Ride Her Cup sounds like a pornstars event than a golf event, although both share attention to the shaft and balls | Oct 02 23:17 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/206801/5_reasons_the_windows_phone_7_will_fail.html?tk=hp_new | Oct 02 23:23 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Many tech industry observers say Microsoft has to get everything right in this launch, especially after its recent Kin debacle--or be shut out of the mobile industry for good." | Oct 02 23:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And that would be a bad thing, exactly how? | Oct 02 23:25 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The world will be a better place without Microsoft on mobiles. | Oct 02 23:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Or anywhere else for that matter | Oct 02 23:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | +11110000 | Oct 02 23:26 |
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| _Goblin | Thanks Chips_B_Malroy I'll dent that link | Oct 02 23:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Windows, Stuxnet, and Public Stoning http://ur1.ca/1x6rk #Windows #Stuxnet #Iran #Security #Arrest #Myth | Oct 02 23:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] PCWORLD: "5 Reasons the Windows Phone 7 Will Fail" - http://tinyurl.com/27srmrg !microsoft !mobile !windows !mobilephone !fail | Oct 02 23:28 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> Reason number 6: http://www.pcworld.com/article/205593/microsofts_windows_phone_7_another_pornfree_platform.html | Oct 02 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft's Windows Phone 7: Another Porn-Free Platform - PCWorld .::. Size~: 80.65 KB | Oct 02 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Where will all the MS shills get their porn? | Oct 02 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, at least Robo and the ones that could not win the debate at MS Watch in former times. | Oct 02 23:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | how do you think they're paid ;) | Oct 02 23:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | trickets, and 'gifts.' | Oct 02 23:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | junkets | Oct 02 23:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and a way that MS can write it off taxes as well and disguise it as something else | Oct 02 23:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] !Wordpress users welcome the Live Spaces refugee's.They can all thank Linux powered Wordpress for its generosity !microsoft !windows !linux | Oct 02 23:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb Or the transporter might be infected with Windows porn malware...you'd come out the other end as a street hooker...or worse. | Oct 02 23:33 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://topnews.co.uk/214131-messrs-mattrick-and-lees-holding-responsibility-microsoft | Oct 02 23:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Messrs, Mattrick and Lees, Holding Responsibility of Microsoft | TopNews United Kingdom .::. Size~: 49.61 KB | Oct 02 23:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The only thing that changes at Microsoft is the carpet. | Oct 02 23:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Meat the new boss, same as the old boss. (borrowed from a song) | Oct 02 23:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "But for now, when Microsoft's biggest cash cows, the Word and Excel have been facing challenge from the Web-only application from Google Inc, the Company had a tough time making the decision." | Oct 02 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would have said that OpenOffice and even Abiword was causing MS more lost sales than Google Docs, although all are taking there toll on the aging cash cow. | Oct 02 23:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes or your genitals arrive "accidentally" in a warehouse in Redmond, where you need to pay a "recovery fee" to get them back | Oct 02 23:40 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> so now that you have blocked Robo's alias'es, will that also stop Lucy Buntu (aka Costa) from posting too? Oh wait, he did not use a proxy did he, that's how you knew? | Oct 02 23:40 |
| *Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrights | Oct 02 23:40 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or should I say 'she.'? | Oct 02 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lol | Oct 02 23:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Great. 5 people recommended LaTeX with Beamer. - For once that I want wysiwyg everyone recommends emacs? | Oct 02 23:43 | |
| cubevector | oh well I don't understand why it gives a big X | Oct 02 23:44 |
| cubevector | on other servers I see the embedded ogv video | Oct 02 23:44 |
| cubevector | maybe my apache is too old? | Oct 02 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its a sad day for the man, please no weeping: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20018246-17.html | Oct 02 23:44 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: No Lucy Buntu made the mistake of not changing her IP address from Andre's, which was not an insecure proxy.... | Oct 02 23:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mobile woes slice Ballmer's bonus in half | The Digital Home - CNET News .::. Size~: 184.92 KB | Oct 02 23:44 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: My site merely holds insecure proxies....of which I have an up to date list (and a handy proxy hunting tool) | Oct 02 23:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> ok, so Costa got sloppy most likely. The best way is not to use proxies, just be yourself. | Oct 02 23:46 |
| cubevector | wow, tons of traffic from techrights though | Oct 02 23:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes or the ad supported model where you arrive with a barcode for some sponsored Bing advert tattooed to your ass | Oct 02 23:47 | |
| cubevector | I'm getting lots of 206, hmmm | Oct 02 23:47 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: exactly and people are free to say exactly what they like as long as they stand by their comments with their own IP. | Oct 02 23:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb Or worse, sues them for patent infringement...Patient 99999: The act of separating ones testicles mid transport. | Oct 02 23:48 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But he knows his word is not worth much anymore, having taken so many "gifts" from MS | Oct 02 23:48 |
| cubevector | 99.32.63.253 is banging on my server | Oct 02 23:49 |
| _Goblin | O~ay is not to use proxies, just be yourself. | Oct 02 23:49 |
| _Goblin | eh? | Oct 02 23:49 |
| _Goblin | sorry | Oct 02 23:49 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: I think Andre lost credibility more from his actions not his gifts. | Oct 02 23:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I mean be honest, be yourself not an alias, which Costa cannot seem to do | Oct 02 23:49 |
| cubevector | I hope no one here is 99.32.63.253 | Oct 02 23:50 |
| _Goblin | but even Andre has been screwed by Microsoft | Oct 02 23:50 |
| ThistleWeb | well, you know what schmitt said, change identites to escape an online past | Oct 02 23:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes I sense a whole raft of new patents "in a transporter" | Oct 02 23:50 | |
| _Goblin | Quote Andre "I am very nervous about migrating to WordPress, but I don't have an option either way." | Oct 02 23:50 |
| ThistleWeb | been parroting the "FOSS is shit, evil, communist etc" line for so long that he's fallen for his own FUD | Oct 02 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | To be fair to Costa, he is not along in taking gifts from MS, as many bloggers do that. What separates him from the pack is his many misleading comments all around the internet, and his home site that reads like a just the fact sponsed by MS site. | Oct 02 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | His site has M$ shill written all over it. | Oct 02 23:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb lol. The mind boggles. I think the courtroom is the only future way Microsoft will make any money... | Oct 02 23:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb This conversation put me in mind of an article I wrote a while ago: http://tinyurl.com/ppaega !microsoft "To boldly blow" | Oct 02 23:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft To boldly blow&. « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 41.14 KB | Oct 02 23:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "<_Goblin> Quote Andre "I am very nervous about migrating to WordPress, but I don't have an option either way."" Its very sad that in some ways, that the MS Shills will now be forced to use Wordpress, as they among the other legit uses move to an open source Wordpress, only to demean open source. | Oct 02 23:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But then, we would have to censor them on wordpress, and wordpress dosen't do that I believe. | Oct 02 23:55 |
| cubevector | well the video is a hit I guess | Oct 02 23:55 |
| cubevector | more traffic than I normally see | Oct 02 23:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Your vid was good, I saved it, but will have to look at it again | Oct 02 23:56 |
| cubevector | someone in ohio was downloading it over and over again :-/ | Oct 02 23:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Anyone know why Robbie Back and Turner were making so much more than Ballmer? Or is Ballmer big paycheck in stock? | Oct 02 23:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes malware writers infecting it so that it transports you to a dingy warehourse in the outskirts of Budapest and held for ransom | Oct 02 23:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes with a ransom note arriving seconds after you should have, stuck inside one of your shoes | Oct 02 23:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Redmond-Associated Press is Promoting #Mono http://ur1.ca/1x76m Owner of several Microsoft-oriented 'news' sites and #swpats traps bias | Oct 02 23:57 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *Bach | Oct 02 23:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Redmond-Associated Press is Promoting Mono | Techrights .::. Size~: 84.13 KB | Oct 02 23:57 |
| cubevector | lots of Ubuntu folks hmm | Oct 02 23:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Something just seems strange with the fact that all of Ballmer's underlings making 4x to 10x his salary and bonus? He must be getting the pay in stocks? | Oct 02 23:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not that Ballmer is worth what he gets | Oct 02 23:59 |
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