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Chips_B_Malroyhow pettyOct 02 00:00
Chips_B_Malroypatents should never be allowed on the obvious, and this is clearly the obviousOct 02 00:00
Chips_B_Malroysorry, my internet is in trouble todayOct 02 00:01
Chips_B_MalroyI might have to try another computer with a different wirelessOct 02 00:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @schestowitz: How to do that?Oct 02 00:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera Time to see if IBM will stand up for Linux. These patent attacks can't go on. Or time for a meteor to hit Redmond, WA :-DOct 02 00:03
schestowitzBAllmer owns everythingtOct 02 00:05
schestowitzHe thinks.Oct 02 00:05
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oiaohmHmm MS filing suit over android directly.Oct 02 00:11
hazzyOh, hey, look at thatOct 02 00:11
hazzyInteresting, didn't see thatOct 02 00:11
oiaohm 02 00:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Files Patent Infringement Action Against Motorola: Statement from Horacio Gutierrez, corporate vice president and deputy general counsel of Intellectual Property and Licensing. .::. Size~: 46.24 KBOct 02 00:11
hazzyHaha, first comment on Slashdot about it: "It's great to see the USS Microsoft sinking after all these years."Oct 02 00:12
oiaohmIt is correct hazzyOct 02 00:12
oiaohmI would bet Motorola has refused to ship the new windows mobile 7 OS.Oct 02 00:13
hazzyYeahOct 02 00:13
oiaohmSo MS is now attacking them.Oct 02 00:13
hazzyThis is good though, bad PR for themOct 02 00:13
hazzyThis case has no meritOct 02 00:13
oiaohmIt does have merit it shows that MS is a hostile user of patents.Oct 02 00:14
hazzyTrueOct 02 00:14
oiaohmAt long last MS has come out from behind using patent pools to attack.Oct 02 00:14
hazzyAlso sheds some light on the mess of a patent systemOct 02 00:15
oiaohmReally MS should be way more careful.Oct 02 00:15
oiaohmMotorola is one of the largest produces of ARM chips.Oct 02 00:15
hazzyAh, yesOct 02 00:16
hazzyThoughOct 02 00:16
oiaohmAlso motorola has huge patent lists of there own.Oct 02 00:16
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oiaohmThat MS most likely breaches as well.Oct 02 00:16
hazzyThe patents in the summary on Slashdot seem to indicate that they are common on all Phone OSesOct 02 00:16
schestowitzMicrosoft has no choiceOct 02 00:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Microsoft sues Motorola, citing Android patent infringement - If you can't sell your product, sue others?Oct 02 00:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft sues Motorola, citing Android patent infringement .::. Size~: 30.63 KBOct 02 00:17
schestowitzIt loses too much moneyOct 02 00:17
schestowitzIt tries to create an android "chill"Oct 02 00:17
schestowitzmake it expensive while making it its own cash cow, tooOct 02 00:17
schestowitzNever mind the consequencesOct 02 00:17
hazzyI'm sure it was carefully timed to coincide with their launch of WP7Oct 02 00:18
schestowitz"Android is not free"Oct 02 00:18
schestowitz"So buy our wares"Oct 02 00:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #swpats The supposed trade off with patents is public disclosure for a legal monopoly. So how do MS get away with suing and using NDA's?Oct 02 00:18
oiaohmAlso remember Motorolo was the first to be making Linux phones.Oct 02 00:19
oiaohmOk with there own internal OS but they were a first.Oct 02 00:19
schestowitzwith javaOct 02 00:19
schestowitzreal javaOct 02 00:19
gnufreexThey didn't atacked Linux kernel, so OIN will stay sillent. Stupid Google made a freak, everything but kernel is Google propriatary sftuff.Oct 02 00:19
oiaohmSo there is a high chance of major internal proir art as well.Oct 02 00:19
schestowitzoiaohm: not trueOct 02 00:19
schestowitzSee first two patentsOct 02 00:19
oiaohmYes.Oct 02 00:20
schestowitzLooks like FATOct 02 00:20
schestowitzHard to work aroundOct 02 00:20
schestowitzcomptibilityOct 02 00:20
schestowitzBut Tridge wrote a patch last yearOct 02 00:20
oiaohmsynchronizing email, calendars and contacts, scheduling meetings << First generation motorola use there OS prior to Linux had those features.Oct 02 00:21
oiaohmAgainst citadel.Oct 02 00:21
oiaohmYes pre the existance of exchange.Oct 02 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @gnufreex publicly dare them to show they got gutsOct 02 00:22
schestowitzMicrosoft pulls a TomTOmOct 02 00:22
oiaohmMS closer inspection of the patents yes but MS might have made a major mistake.Oct 02 00:22
schestowitzMixing swpats vs Linux w/ othersOct 02 00:22
schestowitzLike GPSOct 02 00:22
schestowitzSO it's not down just to OINOct 02 00:22
hazzyFlorian posted on Slashdot about his interest in FOSSOct 02 00:22
oiaohmAlso this could pull google in schestowitzOct 02 00:23
schestowitzLike throwing nukes and also chemical weapons on an enemy with hazmat suitsOct 02 00:23
schestowitzhazzy: tell him to buzz offOct 02 00:23
schestowitzMobbyistOct 02 00:23
schestowitzhazzy: I have an interest in MicrosofOct 02 00:23
schestowitzYes, he has an interest in how to crush FOSSOct 02 00:23
schestowitzHis client needs that, I betOct 02 00:24
hazzy 02 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Comments | Microsoft Sues Motorola Over Android-Related Patent Infringement .::. Size~: 41.54 KBOct 02 00:24
hazzyThat is hisOct 02 00:24
schestowitzIngore the trolls in a platform like thatOct 02 00:24
schestowitzFlamewars defending MicrosoftOct 02 00:24
oiaohmschestowitz:  the sync software motorola uses is not there own schestowitzOct 02 00:24
oiaohmIts googles.Oct 02 00:24
oiaohmon androidOct 02 00:24
schestowitzHe has become a joke in the FOSS world cause he attaked everyone thereOct 02 00:25
oiaohmThis could be a funny breach of contract by MS as well schestowitzOct 02 00:25
schestowitzHe is left only talking to Microsoft folks like de IcazaOct 02 00:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes This time they went too far. Motorola will sue M$'s ass out in retaliation. Motorola has thousands patents in broad areasOct 02 00:25
schestowitzoiaohm: Google had an activesync patent licence deal with MSFTOct 02 00:25
schestowitz2008/9Oct 02 00:25
oiaohmYep.Oct 02 00:25
oiaohmAnd google provides the software for syncing to Motorola so Motorola does not do it.Oct 02 00:26
schestowitz "Samsung placing bets on a dead horse"Oct 02 00:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: agentsmith's status on Friday, 01-Oct-10 19:08:34 UTC - .::. Size~: 8.57 KBOct 02 00:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle:         Microsoft, Samsung Partner on Windows Phone 7 Devices | News & Opinion  |     .::. Size~: 90.7 KBOct 02 00:26
oiaohmSo bring syncing patents against Motorola is kinda invalid.Oct 02 00:26
hazzyHmm, it is interesting that Microsoft didn't sue Google directlyOct 02 00:27
oiaohmnotifying applications of changes in signal strength and battery power.  << Prior art exists for boths of them.Oct 02 00:27
oiaohmhazzy:  simple fact over syncing Microsoft cannot sue google.Oct 02 00:27
hazzyWaitOct 02 00:28
oiaohmAs schestowitz said the 2008/9 patent deal.Oct 02 00:28
hazzyOh, rightOct 02 00:28
hazzyYeaOct 02 00:28
oiaohmMicrosoft might have just wedged themselves.Oct 02 00:28
oiaohmBig problem is one part of Microsoft case is completely invalid the complete case can be thrown out and they not allowed to raise any area covered again.Oct 02 00:29
hazzyDidn't techrights post something in the past that this will be Microsoft's last effort at developing a phone OS?Oct 02 00:31
oiaohmYep KIN complete failure.  hazzyOct 02 00:31
hazzyOh yesOct 02 00:32
oiaohmAnd I do mean complete.  More phones got recycled than sold.Oct 02 00:32
oiaohmHmm who made the KIN phones for Microsoft.Oct 02 00:32
gnufreex DangerOct 02 00:33
gnufreexMicrosoft bught Danger. And got in Danger.Oct 02 00:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] 'course, patents MS wield agin #Android are obvious methods pre-existing in standards. Just goes to show, US patent system is broken.Oct 02 00:33
oiaohmHmm KIN was produced by Motorola for MS.Oct 02 00:33
hazzyThe KIN OS was made by DangerOct 02 00:34
hazzyPartiallyOct 02 00:34
oiaohmI can understand if Motorola is a bit touchy going near MS Phone OS quickly.Oct 02 00:34
hazzyAnd yeah, interesting you said that oiaohmOct 02 00:34
oiaohmBig thing here is historically normally you go to Motorola offer enough cash and they will make what ever you want even if it a failure.Oct 02 00:36
oiaohmNow if MS is needing to reach to Motorola to get Windows Mobile 7 Os in the market they are already in trouble.Oct 02 00:37
gnufreexMicrosoft apparently made a plan to monopolize Mobile market. They took over nokia and HP by entyism, so Palm and MeeGo are toast. They will sue android to deat, and only Apple is left. Most effective way to stop this is to make masive lawsuit against Microsoft. OIN or anti-trustees... but they are useless so far.Oct 02 00:38
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hazzyBut Apple and Android are the strongest competitors; not gonna workOct 02 00:39
oiaohmMeeGo is in a way stronger location than Palm was.Oct 02 00:39
oiaohmMeeGo is Linux foundation gnufreexOct 02 00:39
gnufreexoiaohm: There are not many candidates for putting it on phone.Oct 02 00:39
oiaohmEven if nokia backs off MeeGo will go forwards with the support of Redhat and others.Oct 02 00:39
gnufreexRed Hat doesn't make phones.Oct 02 00:39
oiaohmMeeGo prime target is not phones.Oct 02 00:39
oiaohmsmartbooks gnufreexOct 02 00:40
gnufreexAnd Micro$hit made clear that they will sue or takeover hanyone who touches LinuxOct 02 00:40
gnufreexThis is all Torvalds' fault. His hate for RMS and GPLv3 made all this.Oct 02 00:41
gnufreexI wouldn't be supprised if he is paid by Microsoft.Oct 02 00:41
gnufreexBut he is paid by IBM for sure.Oct 02 00:42
oiaohmChanging licence of the Linux kernel is a major job.  gnufreexOct 02 00:42
oiaohmTorvald stand was direct benifit there was none at the time.Oct 02 00:42
gnufreexLetting the movement go down the drain is easy job. Torvalds elected easier job.Oct 02 00:44
oiaohmremember Linux kernel is not GPLv2 and latter.Oct 02 00:45
oiaohmIts pure GPL v2 gnufreexOct 02 00:45
oiaohmSo to change licence is a hurding cats operation.  gnufreexOct 02 00:45
oiaohmAnd Linux kernel is not the only project with that problem gnufreexOct 02 00:46
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oiaohmAdding a patent grant agreement for all submitters would be simpler than changing Linux from gpl v2 to gpl v3.Oct 02 00:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @eren #virtualbox is a gift for humanity.Oct 02 00:47
oiaohmThe legal effect is basically the same gnufreexOct 02 00:47
gnufreexYes I know. And I also know Torvalds riped that clause because he doesn't trust stallman. Torvalds made a mess, least he could do is step away and let other people try and fix it. But he instead FUDed.Oct 02 00:47
gnufreex[01:45:53] <oiaohm> The legal effect is basically the same gnufreexOct 02 00:48
gnufreexwhat legal efect?Oct 02 00:48
oiaohmRemember by the time of GPL v3 OIN agreements and others was in effect to protect Linux kernel it self.Oct 02 00:48
oiaohmThere is truly very little benifit.Oct 02 00:48
oiaohmfor the Linux kernel of GPL 3Oct 02 00:49
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gnufreexThere is great beneft for whole ecosysyemOct 02 00:50
gnufreexFirst, Linux is role model. Those who elected V2 only did so because of Linus' rantsOct 02 00:50
oiaohmGPL 3 is good for GPL 2 and latter stuff that did not have patent protection frameworks in place.Oct 02 00:50
gnufreexon GPLv3Oct 02 00:50
oiaohmNo gnufreexOct 02 00:50
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oiaohmLinus said for Linux there was no techical advantage.Oct 02 00:51
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oiaohmInfact a few times he sad it would be wise if other projects did change due to not having the same frameworks in place.  gnufreexOct 02 00:51
ZiomatrixMS is on the move people! 02 00:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Slaps Motorola with Patent Lawsuit over Android .::. Size~: 24.69 KBOct 02 00:52
_Goblinyeah I saw that.Oct 02 00:52
bruce89to the bottom of Millport bayOct 02 00:52
Ziomatrix_Goblin: yea between that and being able to get execs directly from their company or with close partners into larger OEMs they seem to be putting some kind of takeover plan in motionOct 02 00:53
oiaohmRead closer Ziomatrix that move could come back to bite.Oct 02 00:53
oiaohmThe sync program on motorola devices is a google program.Oct 02 00:53
oiaohmSo how is motorola guility.Oct 02 00:53
_GoblinZiomatrix: its the only way they can think of to be profitable in the mobile world.Oct 02 00:54
hazzyI think it looks like Ballmer is *barely* hanging on, so he had to make it look like he was doing somethingOct 02 00:54
_GoblinZiomatrix: ..."if you build it, Microsoft will sue"Oct 02 00:54
_Goblinhazzy: he didn't get his full bonus this year.Oct 02 00:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Microsoft Slaps Motorola with Patent Lawsuit over Android #epicfailOct 02 00:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Slaps Motorola with Patent Lawsuit over Android .::. Size~: 24.69 KBOct 02 00:55
hazzySo it isOct 02 00:55
hazzyBallmer seems to be being forced outOct 02 00:55
oiaohmNow the android case is pure nightmare to the mono camp.Oct 02 00:56
oiaohmBecause Google does have a patent grant covering the very area that Microsoft is sueing on.Oct 02 00:56
oiaohmWhat does that mean for the promise.Oct 02 00:56
Chips_B_MalroyI have to ask this question of people here smarter than I, why does MS sue Motorola instead of Google for Android?Oct 02 00:56
Chips_B_Malroyeven though I think I know the anwserOct 02 00:57
hazzyGoogle licensed syncing techOct 02 00:57
oiaohmBecause with those patents MS cannot sue google.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 00:57
Ziomatrixoiaohm: they may not suceed, but they'll surely leave carnage of spent capital on litigation, good projects for products dieing and all of this will only screw over customers whose only crime is desiring a decent open individual friendly product.Oct 02 00:57
oiaohmOr its breach of contract Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 00:57
Chips_B_Malroylet me ask the question in another way thenOct 02 00:57
oiaohmRemember the 2008/2008 active sync deal between google and MS Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 00:58
Chips_B_Malroywhy does MS sue a former OEM's of their's like Motorola instead of Google, as it makes no sense to sue an OEM that might still give them some business.Oct 02 00:59
oiaohmSo that google could include syncing to Microsoft servers in android.Oct 02 00:59
oiaohmAttacking google will not work.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 00:59
Chips_B_MalroyagreedOct 02 00:59
oiaohmGoogle has their patent house in order.Oct 02 00:59
Chips_B_Malroybut I think for other reasons as wellOct 02 00:59
oiaohmGoogle also works directly with the USA patent office.Oct 02 00:59
hazzyChips_B_Malroy: Because HTC licensed Microsoft's patent portfolio and Motorola didn'tOct 02 00:59
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: I think "might" is the key word...they'll probably be hoping for an under the counter deal before it even gets to court.Oct 02 00:59
oiaohmSo finding prior art google can do simply.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:00
oiaohmYou would have to be insane to try to go after Google due to where they have set themselves up.Oct 02 01:00
Chips_B_Malroywell, it appears to me that MS is trying to keep the sheep (oem's) away from the big bad wolf (google) by sueing themOct 02 01:01
oiaohmMotorola was also the first to make Linux mobiles.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:01
oiaohmIf Microsoft can shut Motorola down they might be able to slow android down.Oct 02 01:01
Chips_B_Malroyif MS was to sue Google directly, which they decline to do, they would run into a company that would fight them and not settle cheaplyOct 02 01:01
oiaohmWhere attacking Google might just force mobile makers to meegoOct 02 01:01
hazzyChips_B_Malroy: Point made!Oct 02 01:02
oiaohmAnd meego is also not something you would want to attack either.Oct 02 01:02
oiaohmLinux Foundation members hitting back on Microsoft would be nasty.Oct 02 01:02
Chips_B_Malroyalso, Google with its other OS, could ask the DOJ and the EU to break up MS for uncompetitve monopolist practices, if they do so.Oct 02 01:02
oiaohmYep.Oct 02 01:03
oiaohmBasically attacking Google would turn into a double to tripple way nightmare.Oct 02 01:03
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_Goblinoiaohm: I meant to say, thanks for that link to Steel Storm, im looking at it for Openbytes.Oct 02 01:03
Chips_B_Malroyit would be the perfect senario for Google to go after MS on a antitrust basisOct 02 01:03
oiaohmEven attacking motorola this could open up anti-trust.Oct 02 01:04
oiaohmThinking Motorola is an OS maker.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:04
oiaohmA small OS maker.Oct 02 01:04
Chips_B_Malroywhere Motorola will probably settle for less change than lawyers cost and a NDAOct 02 01:04
oiaohmHistory of Motorola odd of settling low.Oct 02 01:05
schestowitz<oiaohm> Hmm who made the KIN phones for Microsoft.Oct 02 01:05
Chips_B_Malroyhope you are rightOct 02 01:05
schestowitzAnd J AllardOct 02 01:05
schestowitzHe quit/got sackedOct 02 01:05
hazzyNetApplications reports that Internet Explorer hit an all time low in SeptemberOct 02 01:05
schestowitz.Oct 02 01:05
schestowitz<hazzy> The KIN OS was made by DangerOct 02 01:05
schestowitz.Oct 02 01:05
schestowitz<hazzy> The KIN OS was made by DangerOct 02 01:05
schestowitz.Oct 02 01:05
schestowitz<hazzy> The KIN OS was made by DangerOct 02 01:05
schestowitzBut wait.. it was close to Zune, no/Oct 02 01:06
schestowitzPredating Danger buyoutOct 02 01:06
Chips_B_Malroywhich means that KIN/MS is not exactly out of the hardware phone businessOct 02 01:06
hazzyschestowitz: I said 'Partially' after thatOct 02 01:07
hazzyAnd they did partiallyOct 02 01:07
Chips_B_MalroyCE/Zune software/SilverlightOct 02 01:07
Chips_B_Malroyis where Kin and WP7 are goingOct 02 01:07
hazzyBtwOct 02 01:07
hazzyThe hardware for KIN was made by SharpOct 02 01:07
oiaohmYou are aware that motorola is its own law firm.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:07
oiaohmYou can higher Motorola to fight legal cases for you.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:08
oiaohmIe Motorola is not a soft target.Oct 02 01:08
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schestowitz<_Goblin> Ziomatrix: ..."if you build it, Microsoft will sue   <<< SteveB's Street of DreamsOct 02 01:08
Chips_B_Malroywouldn't this backfire on MS?  I mean if you  sue your own OEM's when they try another, doesn't this just piss them off?Oct 02 01:09
oiaohmIe motorola winning agaisnt Microsoft would bring motorola business.   Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:09
oiaohmSo motorola has every reason to fight and fight hard.Oct 02 01:09
oiaohmSueing a company that is is own law firm is a high risk in it self Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:10
oiaohmLet along that that law firm happens to be one of you OEM'sOct 02 01:10
Chips_B_MalroyThere seems to be an unspoken agreement between MS and Apple with reguards to sueing Google for Android.  Notice only Apple sues Google directly.  Notice that neither Apple or MS sue each other.Oct 02 01:11
schestowitz_log<hazzy> NetApplications reports that Internet Explorer hit an all time low in September >.  s/September/United StateOct 02 01:11
schestowitz_logs/Oct 02 01:11
hazzyOh, yes, nvmOct 02 01:11
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I think companies when dealing with MS need to remember Jack Tramiel the found of Commodore Business Machines' words "Business is war." And just like war there is the potential of enemy infaltration to sabotage for their own personal benefit.Oct 02 01:11
oiaohmThere are patent agreements between Apple and MS they cannot sue each other.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:11
oiaohmApple got the agreement with the truetype font patents.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:12
oiaohmWe are talking over a 15 year old agreement.Oct 02 01:12
schestowitz> Notice only Apple sues Google directlyOct 02 01:12
Chips_B_MalroyWell Ballmer's stategy of sueing its OEM's for using Android is like shooting itself in the foot, maybe both feet.  Isn't this the same type of thinking that the RIAA does with its lawsuits?Oct 02 01:12
schestowitzHuh?Oct 02 01:12
schestowitzJust HTCOct 02 01:12
schestowitzTheir implicit agreement Apple/Mirosoft is that they need to attack LinusOct 02 01:12
schestowitzLinux tooOct 02 01:12
hazzyYou gotta understand that Motorola will not be giving up this fight easy when you consider how successful Android has beenOct 02 01:12
Chips_B_Malroygood anwser on the patent agreements between Apple and MS, btwOct 02 01:13
schestowitzAfter Apple sued, in Microsoft' lobbying blog Don Horacio did some gangsta talk praising AppleOct 02 01:13
Ziomatrixoiaohm: contracts can be voided if one party intends to go somewhere else. I'm sure Motorola's legal team went through the steps to break them off from moving from Windows Mobile to Android. Also, remember Motorola's cellular division split, went into bankruptsy and then was re-aquired. They aren't the same division as beforeOct 02 01:13
schestowitz<oiaohm> We are talking over a 15 year old agreement.Oct 02 01:14
schestowitzThey renewedOct 02 01:14
schestowitzin 2007 IIRCOct 02 01:14
Chips_B_MalroyWell, the OEM's will not give up using Android simply because its sells phones and Windows Mobile does not.Oct 02 01:14
Chips_B_MalroyYou have to have a product that sells (Android) and cannot sell one that does not (Kin).Oct 02 01:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Anyone else smell !MS behind the scenes ensuring the new BIOS will be have some restriction to only work in Windows? 02 01:15
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schestowitzMicrosoft will say Android is fragmentedOct 02 01:15
Chips_B_MalroySo no matter how many companies Ballmer sues, its cellphone days are behind it.Oct 02 01:15
schestowitzAnd that it has "nazi" appsOct 02 01:16
schestowitzThat has been the strategyOct 02 01:16
schestowitzApple's Jobs associated Android with dirty pr0nOct 02 01:16
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: but they want royaltiesOct 02 01:16
oiaohmAlso Chips_B_Malroy go read freetype on patents you will seen that apple general policy with open source items is to go direct to sourceOct 02 01:16
Chips_B_MalroyIt doesn't matter, as Windows Mobo is unsellableOct 02 01:16
schestowitzWindows MobbyOct 02 01:17
oiaohmAnd get the patent status written in.   Chips_B_Malroy so apple attacking google over android is them fooling there standard policy that is also over 15 years old.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:17
oiaohmfooling/followingOct 02 01:17
oiaohmMicrosoft policy has always been hit OEM's one by one with patents.Oct 02 01:18
oiaohmThis is the way to extract money in the largest ammount from a patent.Oct 02 01:18
oiaohmI am not saying that Apple and MS are not workign with either to destroy Linux.  But neither are altering there general operations todo it. Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:19
Chips_B_Malroyis there  a way for google to sue MS for doing this?Oct 02 01:19
gnufreexWhat do you guys think, what are chances for OIN countersuit? I think it is 0Oct 02 01:20
Chips_B_MalroyagreedOct 02 01:21
oiaohmReally motorola will be able to pass buck straight to google.Oct 02 01:21
oiaohmFor a large section.Oct 02 01:21
oiaohmSo voiding all that.Oct 02 01:21
oiaohmZiomatrix: when motorola reqauired they aquired all the records.Oct 02 01:22
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: If it somehow distrupts any ongoing licensing or royalty agreement they have with Motorola, they could sue for damages if it does stop Motorola from selling Android sets anywhereOct 02 01:22
gnufreexOIN should be disbanded, it is only liability. It wouldn't suprise me if OIN turns evil one day, when IBM decides it doesn't need Linux anymore.Oct 02 01:22
Ziomatrixoiaohm: Through bankruptsy a company can get rid of all their former obligations and start freshOct 02 01:23
gnufreexOIN is perfect patent troll for destroing free software.Oct 02 01:23
oiaohmYep Ziomatrix you have to remember motorola core is legal.   So yep legally sreding obligations is something they have down to a fine art.Oct 02 01:24
Chips_B_MalroyI believe the nuclear option of sueing for software patents has already happened, with both MS and Apple going after these companies that are using Android.  What this is really about is trying to use the legal system to stop any new operating systems from impacting the sales of their OS.Oct 02 01:24
oiaohmIts more desperation.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 01:24
Chips_B_MalroyOIN is like the scarecrow in the cornfield, it works for awhile and scares the crows away, but once they figure out that they will not do anything.........Oct 02 01:25
oiaohmApple really has not attacked that much.  More often it is a notice hey you have steped on our patents here please fix one way or the other.  Ie pay up or stop using X patent.Oct 02 01:25
gnufreexlol. Apple is always going for a kill when it sues. They don't want any moneyOct 02 01:26
oiaohmThat is after break down of talks.  gnufreexOct 02 01:27
gnufreexBreak down talks?Oct 02 01:27
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: I agree, if MS wants anything they desire Motorola to capitulate to pay their "royalties" for utilizing software related to their patents like how Samsung and HTC are.Oct 02 01:27
Chips_B_Malroyimage if you could use the legal system (patents) to stop any new opereating systems on computers?  isn't this really what MS is trying to do?Oct 02 01:27
oiaohmI have seen freetype and other patent talks with apple.  gnufreexOct 02 01:27
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: I can also see them trying to get HP and WebOS to join in on the fees.Oct 02 01:28
oiaohmMost is fairly nice.  gnufreexOct 02 01:28
gnufreexIt is not nice for free software. If you pay royalty, no freedom.Oct 02 01:28
gnufreexbut that is for all patentsOct 02 01:28
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: its not about stopping, or else the US DoJ would then have to go after them by popular demand, its about profiting on a competitor's expense.Oct 02 01:30
Chips_B_Malroyyes MS is all about the money (greed in their case)Oct 02 01:30
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: that way they are in the clear as far as not being a monopoly, but still making royalties thus cornering the market and making their shareholders happyOct 02 01:30
Chips_B_Malroyits why MS cannot sue Google directlyOct 02 01:31
Chips_B_Malroybut sueing its old OEM's could and probably will come back and bite themOct 02 01:31
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: I hope it all does, the world needs some good hardware companies that can control their own products but in a customer and developer friendly way.Oct 02 01:32
ThistleWebthey don't want it to get to court, the key si to be the looming bully they can't afford to stand up to, by sueing Google, Google just might say "alright,. we'll see you in court, and have the patents re-evaluated"Oct 02 01:33
Chips_B_MalroyexactlyOct 02 01:33
Chips_B_MalroyGoogle would have no choice but to go to courtOct 02 01:33
gnufreexThe PotatoFace poped up again 02 01:34
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ThistleWebI'd certainly use the angle "well, a lot of us are using Android, which is what you claim infringes, why not go after Google too?"Oct 02 01:34
Chips_B_Malroyand they would win on an antitrust issue among othersOct 02 01:34
ZiomatrixI hope efforts such as these will increase awareness of the potential of open source software, I would definitely put this on a half way decent speced TabletPC: 02 01:34
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ThistleWebin military terms, android is the commander, the troops follow himOct 02 01:34
ThistleWebwhy are MS targeting the troops one at a time, when it's the commanding officer who is causing the problems?Oct 02 01:35
Chips_B_Malroyeasy to pick off one at a time the hardware companiesOct 02 01:36
ThistleWebif they had a genuine case they believed they could win, they would take out the CO and watch the rest fall around themOct 02 01:36
ThistleWebby not doing that, it's pretty obvious that they don't have a caseOct 02 01:36
Chips_B_MalroyI doubt that MS is really getting big bucks in royalities, otherwise they would not need NDA'sOct 02 01:36
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ZiomatrixThistleWeb: its all about logistics, they don't want to eliminate Motorola's handsets, they want to indirectly profit from it. See how they do it with HTC and Samsung to get an idea: 02 01:37
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Chips_B_Malroyeven in the agreement with Novell, MS actually paid Novell 300 and some million up front to licence SuseOct 02 01:37
Chips_B_Malroyit would take a long time for MS to get 300 million back on Suse licencesOct 02 01:38
ThistleWebif they manage to kill android as a platform it means the hardware vendors have to find another OS, at which point they pop up with windows phone 7Oct 02 01:38
Chips_B_MalroyNovell fell for it for the cash up frontOct 02 01:38
ThistleWebhow many would choose simbian or maemo I don't know, but since the MS dude went there, presumably those will be tainted by MS too nowOct 02 01:39
Chips_B_MalroyNobody wants WP7, its Kin/2, the same mash of software:  CE/Zune software from Kin/SilverlightOct 02 01:39
Chips_B_Malroyyes, the rumor is at least one WP7 from Nokia nowOct 02 01:40
gnufreexNotice that Florian Mueller is now saying "poor android developers". He don't attacks Microsoft the way he attacked Oracle or IBM.Oct 02 01:40
ThistleWebexactly, if people did want it, hardware companies would be contacting MS to do deals, MS know nobody wants theuir stuff bu ththey have shareholders to pleaseOct 02 01:40
gnufreexHe tries to FUD developers away from AndroidOct 02 01:40
Chips_B_MalroyMueller is just another MS Shill, like Andre Da CostaOct 02 01:41
Chips_B_Malroyonly he is paid more, and not yet exposed to where his money trail comes from yetOct 02 01:41
Chips_B_Malroybut someone out there signs his lobby checks, and it might come out somedayOct 02 01:42
Ziomatrixschestowitz: thankyou so much for posting this: Now we just have to see if PSGroove and/or PSFreedom can be backported to PS3 v3.15 or up to v3.50.Oct 02 01:42
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hazzyHmmmmOct 02 01:43
hazzyWhat is Microsoft up to?Oct 02 01:44
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Chips_B_Malroyhave to wonder, if the Gates and Ballmer are splitting in opinion somewhat.  With the Gates backing the tax in their home state.  Well, Bill Junior is supposed to be behind his father, but has not contributed any money to getting the law passed.  Also the fact that Ballmer's bonus was cut in half (by the board that Bill chairs?Oct 02 01:46
Chips_B_Malroyare we perhaps seeing Bill and Steve starting to have a falling out?Oct 02 01:47
Chips_B_MalroyAnd if WP7 and Kinect turn out to be duds?Oct 02 01:48
hazzyI thought Bill, not too long ago, endorsed Steve as CEO?Oct 02 01:48
Chips_B_Malroyhe didOct 02 01:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Examples of Gates Foundation Proximity to Government, Big Banks, Monsanto #gmo #patentsOct 02 01:48
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Chips_B_Malroycouple of months ago he didOct 02 01:49
hazzyOh, so it was too long agoOct 02 01:49
Chips_B_Malroyyes, things move fastOct 02 01:49
Chips_B_Malroywhen its all about greedOct 02 01:49
hazzyYeahOct 02 01:49
hazzyIt seems as if they may have a falling outOct 02 01:50
hazzyProbably because Steve is running MS into a brick wallOct 02 01:50
Chips_B_MalroyI wonder if Steve Ballmer will not want to 'spend more time with his family' soon?Oct 02 01:50
Chips_B_MalroyI think it depends on WP7Oct 02 01:51
Chips_B_MalroyBut it might also depend on what Google does with ChromeOSOct 02 01:51
Chips_B_Malroyeven what Apple doesOct 02 01:51
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Chips_B_Malroyread some articles that maybe MS was trying to destroy itself, or short itself.  They sounded unbelievableOct 02 01:53
hazzyApparently, it's not easy competing on meritOct 02 01:53
Chips_B_MalroyBut then I started to think, about the other articles I read, that MS is going into debt and buying back its stock.  It could possible even buy back all its stock in ten years timeOct 02 01:54
Chips_B_MalroyNow, think about this for a minute.Oct 02 01:54
Chips_B_Malroyif between Bill and Steve you control 12.5% of the stockOct 02 01:55
Chips_B_Malroyand the company buys back most of the restOct 02 01:55
Chips_B_Malroyyou in affect own most of the companyOct 02 01:55
Chips_B_Malroyso wouldn't you want cheap stocks?Oct 02 01:56
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer is the perfect guy to keep the stock price downOct 02 01:56
Chips_B_Malroynot saying this is true, its unlikely.  Most likely his is just uncompendant.Oct 02 01:57
Chips_B_MalroyincompendentOct 02 01:57
hazzyIncompetent?Oct 02 01:57
Chips_B_MalroyyesOct 02 01:57
Chips_B_MalroyI need the version of konversation with spell checking, sorryOct 02 01:57
hazzyNah, no big dealOct 02 01:58
Chips_B_MalroyI hope if Roy ever quotes me he corrects my spellingOct 02 01:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The whole world is a !Linux user, Microsoft is a Linux suer.Oct 02 01:58
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Chips_B_MalroyBut I have seen the buy back stock theory in ten years on more than one article now.  It just does not make sense to why MS would want to become a private company?Oct 02 01:59
hazzyYou're rightOct 02 02:00
Chips_B_Malroyby that time the cash cows will be dieing or smell very badOct 02 02:00
hazzyThey won't be as big in ten years, I thinkOct 02 02:01
hazzyNot nearlyOct 02 02:01
Chips_B_Malroywhat really amazes me is how MS can fail at everything so badly.  Its almost as if they are trying to fail.Oct 02 02:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bkuhn ...there was a reboot on a server. It had the maximum uptime I ever achieved on a server under my care: up 1127 days, 1:39.Oct 02 02:02
Chips_B_Malroyis it possible that they are trying to fail?Oct 02 02:02
hazzyI don't know what that would gainOct 02 02:02
Chips_B_Malroyand its just another scam?Oct 02 02:02
Chips_B_Malroyto buy out the companyOct 02 02:03
Chips_B_MalroyprivateOct 02 02:03
hazzyOhhOct 02 02:03
hazzyRight, yeahOct 02 02:03
Chips_B_Malroywith bill and steve as almost sole holders of the stockOct 02 02:03
hazzyButOct 02 02:04
hazzyWhat a bad strategy that isOct 02 02:04
hazzyNo one will want to buy anything Microsoft if they realize that they keep failing so muchOct 02 02:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Do not feed the ₥i₢¤$¤₣₮ mobbyists who troll and spin the lawsuit. Please don't.Oct 02 02:05
Chips_B_Malroybut we are not talking about making good software, we are talking about greed when we talk about MS, that is what drives those who run the companyOct 02 02:05
oiaohmMS has been buying back stock for years.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 02:05
oiaohmIts a way of hiding that profit numbers are dropping.Oct 02 02:05
Chips_B_MalroyyesOct 02 02:06
Chips_B_Malroymost likely anwserOct 02 02:06
oiaohmAlso its stupid to go into debt to do it.Oct 02 02:06
oiaohmOn one hand.Oct 02 02:06
oiaohmStock has voting rights.Oct 02 02:06
oiaohmDebt does not.Oct 02 02:06
oiaohmBoth are libablities that have to be paid.Oct 02 02:07
Chips_B_Malroywhich means, that MS doesn't have enough money on hand in the USA to pay the bills and buy back stocksOct 02 02:07
hazzyI don't believe that 'privatizing Microsoft' theoryOct 02 02:07
hazzySomething doesn't sound rightOct 02 02:07
oiaohmReally that is the line MS is on hazzyOct 02 02:07
Chips_B_Malroywho controls the votes on the stock that MS buys back for the company?  The board with Bill Gates as Chairman?Oct 02 02:08
oiaohmAs they by back stock sooner or latter there will be a company without any free stock being traded.Oct 02 02:08
oiaohmAs soon as there is no stock being traded for a long time company is better of going proviateOct 02 02:09
oiaohmbecause after 12 months of no trade stock price zeros.Oct 02 02:09
Chips_B_Malroyits not my theory as far as one I believe in.Oct 02 02:10
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oiaohmBasically you cannot buy stock back for ever.Oct 02 02:10
oiaohmI have not seen MS issue new stock recently.Oct 02 02:10
Chips_B_MalroyI just throw out the theory for others to think aboutOct 02 02:10
oiaohmIn a balanced company.Oct 02 02:10
oiaohmYou see them buy and sell stock.Oct 02 02:11
oiaohmIe buy back and sell new stock.Oct 02 02:11
Chips_B_Malroy10 years at present rate of buyback and it private from at least 2 articles I readOct 02 02:11
oiaohmnew stock instead of taking out debt for the money.Oct 02 02:11
oiaohmBig thing MS is not doing this.Oct 02 02:11
oiaohmThey are just buying back stock and taking out debt.Oct 02 02:12
Chips_B_Malroybut really it would take less than 8 or 9 years to get there if both Ballmer and Gates kept their stockOct 02 02:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII Mobbyist := mobbing + lobbyist, no reference to companies intendedOct 02 02:12
gnufreexschestowitz: Do you have a clue who is that Ris guy who advertieses PotatoFace (florian) on  ?Oct 02 02:12
oiaohmTaking out debt is a private companies way of rasing cap.Oct 02 02:12
Chips_B_Malroyalways look for the scam from the leaders of MSOct 02 02:12
oiaohmNot a stock companies way of rasing cap unless the stock company is in trouble.Oct 02 02:13
oiaohmEither way MS actions are not healthy.Oct 02 02:13
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*schestowitz catches up with 4pm onwardsOct 02 02:13
schestowitzgnufreex: it's deadOct 02 02:13
schestowitzThey only try cause they are miserableOct 02 02:13
schestowitzI have 5 posts indraftOct 02 02:13
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schestowitz2 about how screwed Microsoft is, which is why its 5th patent lawsuit is no surpriseOct 02 02:14
schestowitzIt5s first lawsuit: primax, 2008/7Oct 02 02:14
schestowitzlast one: salesforce, around june/julyOct 02 02:14
schestowitzSo it sues more frequently nowOct 02 02:14
schestowitz<gnufreex> schestowitz: Do you have a clue who is that Ris guy who advertieses PotatoFace (florian) on  ?Oct 02 02:15
schestowitzMischivuousOct 02 02:15
Chips_B_Malroymy guess, is MS settles easy, as it gets paid peanutsOct 02 02:15
schestowitzCorbet not around to editOct 02 02:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @schestowitz all I can think of is a Moby fanOct 02 02:15
schestowitz[17:32] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ITworld Is your Android phone spying on you?Oct 02 02:16
schestowitzAll phones spyOct 02 02:16
schestowitzThat's what they doOct 02 02:16
schestowitzThey track positionOct 02 02:16
gnufreexkeep up the good work Roy. But all this is for noth if they manage to spin masses into beleiving that Microsoft is failing becaus evil and destructive open source from Red Hat and Google. That is why we need to expose those lobbyists, like I did with Florian. laughs at him, except that Ris guy who advertises him. schestowitzOct 02 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @thistleweb but I like Moby!Oct 02 02:17
schestowitzThe carriers in the UK are strictly require to maintain this data too, retention in 4d, inc time, not just coodsOct 02 02:17
schestowitz*coordsOct 02 02:17
gnufreexIf they convince people that open source is destroying economy... well..Oct 02 02:17
hazzyiPhone spies tooOct 02 02:17
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schestowitzweboOct 02 02:17
schestowitzwebos notoriouslyOct 02 02:17
schestowitzquestion is, only carrier or phoning home to s/w company tooOct 02 02:17
schestowitzSame stuff, govt. can subpoena bothOct 02 02:18
*schestowitz got rid of all tracking devices in 2003Oct 02 02:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @schestowitz so does that make you a Mobyist? Or is a Mobyist one who treats Moby as a God to be obeyed without question? ;)Oct 02 02:18
schestowitzbut the UK is filled with CCTVOct 02 02:18
Chips_B_Malroyhere tooOct 02 02:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @thistleweb not quite a mobster/mobbyist. Moby is the opposite, living in peace with low-energy house and all. Nice chap.Oct 02 02:20
Chips_B_Malroyreally I don't think MS is going to buy back enough stock to go private, my thinking is that the split between friends Ballmer and Gates is most likelyOct 02 02:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What is the difference between Windows Mobile and Vista Phone 7? The latter has the mighty "7", so it's uber-cool. 02 02:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What is the difference between Android and Vista Phone 7? Android exists and thrives, VP7 is "just some words on paper" 02 02:25
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Chips_B_MalroyIs Gates trying to get the 10% system for teachers into education that is the same system that Microsoft uses to fire the lowest 10Oct 02 02:26
Chips_B_Malroy10% of its employees every year?Oct 02 02:27
Chips_B_Malroythis is what I read at Mini MSFT comments that he isOct 02 02:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] McGrath: Proposal for a new Fedora project Power to Fedora, the distro which innovates rather than imitate or sueOct 02 02:28
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Chips_B_Malroyand look at how good that firing of the lowest 10% has worked for MicrosoftOct 02 02:29
Chips_B_Malroynext year the ones that were at 20% become the 10%er's that get firedOct 02 02:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "But to the degree that people are going to deploy Linux, we want Suse Linux to have the highest percent share" --Steve Ballmer #ballnuxOct 02 02:30
Chips_B_Malroywhat a system, only Gates could dream up one like thatOct 02 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "We are willing to do the same deal [as Novell's] with Red Hat and other Linux distributors, it's not an exclusive thing." --Steve BallmerOct 02 02:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "I'd put the Linux phenomenon really as threat No. 1." --Steve Ballmer, 2001Oct 02 02:32
oiaohmNo that fire the lowest 10 percent predates GatesOct 02 02:32
oiaohmWas done in the industralia revolution by one group. Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 02:32
Chips_B_Malroylol, so he copyed that tooOct 02 02:32
Chips_B_MalroyRomans did that too, its called decismationOct 02 02:33
Chips_B_Malroyif I spelled it rightOct 02 02:33
Chips_B_Malroyin their legionsOct 02 02:33
hazzyNever heard of that so I can't say for sureOct 02 02:34
hazzyI don't have spellcheck on irssi so I can't checkOct 02 02:34
Chips_B_Malroyfor cowardize in battleOct 02 02:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @agentsmith Why is adobe Trash Player so crappy on Linux ? Damn, it pisses off even Dalai Lama... :-/ #AdobeTrashOct 02 02:35
schestowitzgnufreex: pingOct 02 02:35
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gnufreexWut?Oct 02 02:35
hazzyOh, rightOct 02 02:35
schestowitzEarlier you said you thought of starting a blogOct 02 02:35
gnufreexYes...Oct 02 02:36
schestowitzWordPress 3.0 has a module/support for multiple blogsOct 02 02:36
schestowitzYou can maybe have a blog in techrightsOct 02 02:36
schestowitzOthers tooOct 02 02:36
gnufreexThat would be cool...Oct 02 02:36
schestowitzI don't know cause I haven't checked how it's doneOct 02 02:36
gnufreexschestowitz: Let's talk that tomorow, I need to go.Oct 02 02:38
gnufreexByeOct 02 02:38
schestowitzOKOct 02 02:38
schestowitzI'll see how it's set upOct 02 02:38
schestowitzmaybe others want that toOct 02 02:38
schestowitzmaybe others want that tooOct 02 02:38
gnufreexOk thanks. We grow community :-)Oct 02 02:39
schestowitzI need to check if I can merge all blogs into the RSS feedOct 02 02:39
schestowitzWe can be more effective with more outputOct 02 02:39
hazzyWho is responsible for OMG!Ubuntu?Oct 02 02:40
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schestowitzSome British guyOct 02 02:41
schestowitzJoey IIRCOct 02 02:41
hazzyHis apologist vibe annoys meOct 02 02:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith we might turn !techrights into a network of blogs. Since you write for ghabuntu already, I could set you up a blog on tr.orgOct 02 02:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rysiek warm and friendly cheers to all you !gnome users from a !kde user - :) !linux !gnuOct 02 02:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yay! Creative Commons Asia - #fbOct 02 02:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Nice, loved the idea. But I am not a writer as prolific as you are. ;-)Oct 02 02:53
schestowitzhazzy: aplogist to whom?Oct 02 02:56
schestowitz*apologistOct 02 02:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] I feel like converting my main workstation to !gentoo hardened (toolchain only for now)...Oct 02 02:58
hazzyApple and MicrosoftOct 02 02:58
balroghehOct 02 03:02
balrogrecently I've been doing stuff with emulation-related developmentOct 02 03:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @StopActaNow Danger of international accord on repressive policies in final !ACTA talks, says RSF !librecultureOct 02 03:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Linux on TV: ‘The Glades’ – detectives run !GNOME on a Windows-branded PC 02 03:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera what's the context of the observation re editorial policy?Oct 02 03:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @laurelrusswurm "Web founder warns of Internet disconnect law 'blight'" .. laws like Canada's !BillC32 are a bad idea 02 03:20
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schestowitz Sounds similar to slogans from The Third ReichOct 02 03:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @schestowitz that is a whole discussion in itself. that would need more than just 160 chars to explain.Oct 02 03:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @satipera The supposed trade off with patents is public disclosure for a legal monopoly.So how do MS get away with suing and using NDA's?Oct 02 03:27
sebsebsebschestowitz: You just used the link I gave it seemsOct 02 03:27
schestowitzwhere?Oct 02 03:27
schestowitzYou link to omgomg a lotOct 02 03:27
schestowitzWhile saying you dislike the site's attitudeOct 02 03:28
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes the Gnome on Windows PC linkOct 02 03:29
sebsebseband how its also apparently of PC Linux OSOct 02 03:29
schestowitzoh, yeah... dat 1!Oct 02 03:29
sebsebsebschestowitz: well better than linking to loads of BBC links and then saying something nagative about them right? :DOct 02 03:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @thistleweb smell !MS behind the scenes ensuring the new BIOS will be have some restriction to only work in Windows? 02 03:32
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sebsebsebremember how I used to link to BBC quite a lot?Oct 02 03:32
sebsebseband was that just a coincidence you just did a BBC link in your noticeOct 02 03:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: its the ignorance  and fanboysim that gets me when it comes to omgubuntu, and Ubuntu in general these days, since the distro stopped being what I wanted by default, with 9.04Oct 02 03:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre now availableOct 02 03:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "OIN is like the scarecrow in the cornfield, it works for a while. but once they figure out that they will not do anything." -Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 03:33
sebsebsebafter using the distro for years rather happiley, since their second release in 2005, so yeah quite the let downOct 02 03:34
Chips_B_MalroyThe nice thing about GNU/Linux distro's is the amount of choice we have.  If you don't have to settle for just one distro, its better.Oct 02 03:35
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: yep its good to try out distros :)Oct 02 03:35
Chips_B_MalroyAlways try to have a distro you can fall back to if something happens to yoursOct 02 03:36
sebsebseband not just get vender locked in to Canonical/Ubuntu like sadly most Desktop LInux users areOct 02 03:36
schestowitz[01:44] <hazzy> Nvm, I just copied the link address, but it seems that the page was deletedOct 02 03:36
schestowitzIt's a junk IDG blogOct 02 03:36
schestowitzfilled with proprietary proponents and Microsoft partners/employeesOct 02 03:36
schestowitzRunning an "open source" blogOct 02 03:36
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: my distro of choice started to suck sadly, yep UbuntuOct 02 03:36
schestowitz[01:57] <Chips_B_Malroy> I need the version of konversation with spell checking, sorryOct 02 03:37
Chips_B_Malroyits still far better than Windows.  while I am not a Ubuntu user, I have to say thatOct 02 03:38
schestowitzLatest one has it, toggle context menu in input lineOct 02 03:38
ThistleWebxchat has spell checkingOct 02 03:38
ThistleWebaka Hogwarts Examiner modeOct 02 03:38
hazzyschestowitz: Ah, so that story was probably fakeOct 02 03:39
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: well yes, better people use it than Windows or Mac OS XOct 02 03:39
Chips_B_MalroyRoy> yes but I ran into problems trying to put latest sid konversation into Mepis 8.0 (kde3.5) linux.  It might work on my 8.5 laptop, but sadly it doesn't like my ipw2200 wirless the last few days.Oct 02 03:39
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: Which distro/s do you use? and why?Oct 02 03:40
Chips_B_Malroy"<sebsebseb> Chips_B_Malroy: well yes, better people use it than Windows or Mac OS XOct 02 03:40
sebsebsebhazzy: are you on the Ubuntu 10.10 Release Candate yet, oh right yeah you changed to Mandriva didn't you? :)Oct 02 03:40
Chips_B_Malroyonly reason I try to be nice to themOct 02 03:40
hazzyI dual boot Mandriva + ArchOct 02 03:41
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: only reason I did Ubuntu support,  and it was something to do, and a nice thing to do, sadly most people would just use for support, even if had spent hours with them in pmOct 02 03:41
Chips_B_MalroyI avoid distro's with Mono installed by default for personal use, even though I could remove itOct 02 03:41
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: so yeah no online firendship or anything like that, shame reallyOct 02 03:41
Chips_B_MalroyAlso, my personal experience helping other with Wine on Ubuntu was not good.  Oiaohm I believe is very right about this.Oct 02 03:42
sebsebsebhelping with Wine on Ubuntu is not good?Oct 02 03:42
Chips_B_MalroyI ran into problems, which I did not have with other distro'sOct 02 03:43
sebsebseboh?Oct 02 03:43
sebsebsebwell Ubuntu's wireless support rather bad indeedOct 02 03:43
sebsebsebother distros like PC Linux OS, will work better useauly it seems :)Oct 02 03:43
Chips_B_Malroyand it was just easier to convert people to the other distro without the problems than trying to learn how to fix the bugs in ubuntu/wine/plusaudioOct 02 03:44
schestowitz[03:32] <sebsebseb> remember how I used to link to BBC quite a lot?Oct 02 03:44
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: and yes there are Ubuntu specfic issues, hence why as far as I know,  I mean the reason for why.  Why Mint made a version based on Debian.Oct 02 03:44
schestowitzI forgotOct 02 03:44
sebsebsebmore stableOct 02 03:44
sebsebsebschestowitz: well you would basically say you didn't like it, and that BBC was spinOct 02 03:44
schestowitzomgubutu is just buntu-washing everything FL/OSSOct 02 03:44
sebsebsebgoing against Gnome and such you mean?Oct 02 03:45
Chips_B_MalroyI won't say that there might have been fixes or workarounds for the problems, I just did not want to spend time lookingOct 02 03:45
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: indeedOct 02 03:45
sebsebseband thats the thing right thereOct 02 03:45
sebsebsebmost Ubuntu users want it all to just work, and well  there are things that don't jus work or aren't really easy to have working in Ubuntu, that do in other distrosOct 02 03:45
Chips_B_Malroyrather use the distro that just works right, and there are lots of themOct 02 03:45
Chips_B_Malroyat least for meOct 02 03:46
sebsebseband they don't know that most of them, so back to WIndows or Mac OS X they goOct 02 03:46
sebsebsebI have a feeling Ubuntu has lost more potential users, going back to Windows or Mac OS X, than what it has lost by them trying and staying as users of another distro.  Than what have stayed as Ubuntu users for quite  while, and that realy is ashame.Oct 02 03:46
sebsebsebI mean its all hyped up and everything and its meant to be so great, bu no it really isn't.Oct 02 03:46
Chips_B_MalroyI deal with lots of new converts, who want to run a few windows games in wine.  It helps if wine works well on a distro to convert peopleOct 02 03:46
sebsebsebhowever expereinced users can see beyound that hypeOct 02 03:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz: I'm pleased to help ! :) But I'm disappointed by the news themselves :-( ...Oct 02 03:47
sebsebseband then when Ubuntu works, we get the,  oh Ubuntu is so amazing thing,  when really for a lot of these users, another distro would be better for themOct 02 03:47
sebsebsebI used to be like that evenOct 02 03:48
Chips_B_MalroyUbuntu is an amazing thing, if you come from windowsOct 02 03:48
sebsebsebThought Ubuntu was absoutly amazing.Oct 02 03:48
schestowitz "@schestowitz At least once on NCIS a computer was shown running kde4"Oct 02 03:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @angrykeyboarder: #Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Release Candidate Is Out (yesterday) - See What's New! 02 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu well, it shows Microsoft suing more and more over time. Companies that do this are losing e.g. SCOOct 02 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Q: Can Microsoft make decent phones? A: No. If it could, it would not be busy suing competitors. #VistaPhone7 #fail #swpatsOct 02 03:48
sebsebsebuntill it did something with 9.04 that really got at me, and how also around that time, I had a guy starting to tell me about upstream Gnome :)Oct 02 03:48
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sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: well yeahOct 02 03:49
sebsebsebfor newbiesOct 02 03:49
sebsebseb,but not alwaysOct 02 03:49
sebsebsebalso sometimes features that are meant to be for the newbies annoy them, for example the menu, and flashing when messages comeOct 02 03:49
Chips_B_MalroyIts not that Ubuntu is bad, its not.  Its just I like other distro's (but not all) better.Oct 02 03:49
sebsebsebme menu, aboveOct 02 03:49
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: depends really, if Ubuntu is a good or bad thingOct 02 03:50
sebsebsebfor someoneOct 02 03:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: One World, One Linux: #linuxOct 02 03:50
Chips_B_Malroythere's a little of both in UbuntuOct 02 03:50
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sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: well yes Ubuntu has a mixure of both good and bad, if thats what you meanOct 02 03:50
sebsebsebstrange Ubuntu only bugs for exampleOct 02 03:51
sebsebsebhorrible Ubuntu only Gnome patching, and so onOct 02 03:51
Chips_B_MalroyI stopped trying Suse after the Novell Microsoft love fest.Oct 02 03:51
sebsebsebUbuntu only meaning, of course that distros based on Ubuntu, would probably also have it, but that its Ubuntu's faultOct 02 03:51
Chips_B_MalroyMaybe after Suse sells to another company, well we will seeOct 02 03:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[einfeldt/@einfeldt] RT @partimus Got the second grade teacher at Creative Arts school set up with a new Linux computer today. Woo!Oct 02 03:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @monikgtr Usemos Linux - Cómo instalar #LibreOffice en !Ubuntu y !Fedora - from google readerOct 02 03:52
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sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: well yes, but OpenSuse is from the community not Novell itself?Oct 02 03:52
Chips_B_MalroyMostly its Gnome's fault not so much Ubuntu's fault that Mono is infesting it.  Almost every distro with Gnome has Mono by default.Oct 02 03:52
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: its also really Gnome's fault, why Ubuntu started patching itOct 02 03:53
sebsebsebI mean what noticeable end user features, were there in the latest few or so releases?  nothing comes to mindOct 02 03:53
schestowitz[03:52] <sebsebseb> Chips_B_Malroy: well yes, but OpenSuse is from the community not Novell itself?Oct 02 03:53
schestowitzNot trueOct 02 03:53
sebsebsebexcept the Gnome background changer effectOct 02 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @laurelrusswurm rt @StopActaNow Danger of international accord on repressive policies in final !ACTA talks, says RSF ...Oct 02 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @jomonjohnn #Sintel - Another great open movie from !blender foundation : watch it on youtube: ...Oct 02 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @einfeldt RT @partimus Got the second grade teacher at Creative Arts school set up with a new Linux computer today. Woo!Oct 02 03:53
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Chips_B_MalroySo at one time I really liked Gnome best, but found it easy to switch to KDE, and now I will not go backOct 02 03:54
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sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: and now Ubuntu's Gnome is so modified to standard Gnome, that wellOct 02 03:54
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: people are even going on the Gnome IRC network asking about Ubuntu specific stuffOct 02 03:54
hazzyI never understood why people gave KDE4 so much crapOct 02 03:54
sebsebsebI think Canonical have something right,  people from Windows and Mac OS X  want new features in their OS, so yep this Gnome patchingOct 02 03:55
sebsebsebhowever thing isOct 02 03:55
sebsebsebthe Gnome patching they have done, has been horriblly implementedOct 02 03:55
sebsebsebeven removing fatures that are meant to be there when it comes to some of it, such as shut down and log out in system menu, with the auotmatic shut down feature after a minute or soOct 02 03:55
sebsebsebafter a minute aboveOct 02 03:55
sebsebsebhazzy: I guess its since KDE 4 is a big thing, and it looks more like Windows by default, and then is all geek to customiseOct 02 03:56
sebsebsebso people say KDE 4 is bloated and suchOct 02 03:56
hazzyYou have a pointOct 02 03:56
hazzyBut I still think it's awesomeOct 02 03:56
Chips_B_Malroyit looks a bit more like the vista UI than kde 3x which looked more like xp uiOct 02 03:56
Chips_B_Malroywhich is a mistake, IMOOct 02 03:57
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Chips_B_Malroynot that it is badOct 02 03:57
sebsebsebKDE 3 was pretty :) reallyOct 02 03:57
sebsebsebhowever I would still mainly use Gnome, with KDE apps in it of course, like I still doOct 02 03:57
hazzyYeah, I used KDE3, tooOct 02 03:57
Chips_B_MalroyKD4 will not work on this laptopOct 02 03:58
sebsebsebhazzy: some people still use KDE 3Oct 02 03:58
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: why not?Oct 02 03:58
Chips_B_Malroywell, at least Mepis 8.5 with kde4 will notOct 02 03:58
Chips_B_Malroyit shouldOct 02 03:58
Chips_B_MalroyI will wait for a newer version with kde4 to tryOct 02 03:58
Chips_B_Malroymaybe the Fedora 14 when it goes goldOct 02 03:59
sebsebsebwhen it goes gold? you mean when it comes out?Oct 02 03:59
Chips_B_MalroyThinkpad R52Oct 02 03:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith It's an excellent film, pretty accurate in historical facts...Oct 02 04:00
Chips_B_Malroylot of the older hardware doesn't seem to work well with KDE4 from what I have seenOct 02 04:00
Chips_B_Malroywhich is why I think maintaining kde3.5 is not a bad ideaOct 02 04:01
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: well for Ubuntu some community member has been doing so for later versionsOct 02 04:01
sebsebseb,but thing isOct 02 04:01
sebsebsebKDE 3 will get even harder to maintain over time it seemsOct 02 04:01
sebsebsebhowever I think there is even some sort of fork of KDE 3Oct 02 04:02
Chips_B_Malroynot if it can be compiled to run kde4 appsOct 02 04:02
Chips_B_Malroysadly its for ubuntu and not upstreamOct 02 04:02
sebsebsebwell there is no upstream really for KDE 3 anymore?Oct 02 04:02
Chips_B_Malroywhich is another thing that causes people to dislike ubuntuOct 02 04:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz M$ is falling from high altitude, it takes long... Oh, if regular people only stop giving them money out of fear... !Oct 02 04:03
Chips_B_Malroywhen they modify stuff to run on their already hacked ubuntu, it might not work upstreamOct 02 04:04
Chips_B_Malroylike kde3.5.11Oct 02 04:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu Motorola refused to give them money, that's why it was suedOct 02 04:07
oiaohmI am trying to remember the name the true attempt to update kde 3.5 to using the modern QTOct 02 04:08
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schestowitzUnity?Oct 02 04:08
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: a bit of a lose power cable or whatever it was, and knocked the computer with my leg, and went offOct 02 04:08
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: so last thing for our convo for me, was when I said that there isn't really an upstream for KDE 3 anymoreOct 02 04:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: Unity?Oct 02 04:10
sebsebsebschestowitz: did I miss something for me maybe?Oct 02 04:10
Chips_B_Malroyyou m<oiaohm> I am trying to remember the name the true attempt to update kde 3.5 to using the modern QT"issed this:  "Oct 02 04:11
Chips_B_Malroyyou missed thatOct 02 04:11
oiaohm  There is is.  Project trinityOct 02 04:12
sebsebsebyes the pearson guyOct 02 04:12
sebsebsebdid it for Ubuntu what I was on aboutOct 02 04:12
sebsebsebthese remix KDE 3 CD'sOct 02 04:12
oiaohmIts formally not KDEOct 02 04:13
sebsebsebKDE 3  was quite nice really, I sort of miss itOct 02 04:13
sebsebsebwell yeah I miss it a bitOct 02 04:13
*sebsebseb realy isn't much of a KDE 4 fan, but starting with 4.3 KDE 4 as a desktop environment would be useable enough for me to use without just going back to GnomeOct 02 04:13
sebsebsebwell with Mandriva that isOct 02 04:13
sebsebseband I mean by default as wellOct 02 04:14
sebsebsebKubuntu uh noOct 02 04:14
sebsebsebFirefox insatler in Kubuntu for example, what the?  and then still in menu for KDE or at least Gnome or both, when Firefox is on,  last time I tried KubuntuOct 02 04:14
oiaohmProblem with KDE 4.x is that is truely designed for a dri2 backed X11 server or better.Oct 02 04:15
sebsebsebanyway I think  the only two versions of Ubuntu that make proper sense are Ubuntu itself and Edubuntu,  anything else is pointless really I mean like Xubuntu and Lubuntu, because of other distrosOct 02 04:15
oiaohmLot of the older drivers have not been updated to that level.Oct 02 04:15
sebsebseband most distros based on Ubuntu are pretty pointless really, because of better distros :)Oct 02 04:15
oiaohmReally Ubuntu forks too much away from upstream.Oct 02 04:16
schestowitzsebsebseb: you missed  [04:08] <oiaohm> I am trying to remember the name the true attempt to update kde 3.5 to using the modern QTOct 02 04:16
Chips_B_MalroyMint and especially Peppermint are interestingOct 02 04:16
sebsebsebwell those two would be the exception I guessOct 02 04:16
Chips_B_MalroyI might try the kde Mint based on DebianOct 02 04:16
sebsebsebstuff like  Ubuntu Christian Edition and Satanic Edition and Ultimate edition and what not, all quite pointless reallyOct 02 04:16
oiaohmUbuntu forked off from Debian at really the wrong time.Oct 02 04:16
sebsebseboiaohm: oh?Oct 02 04:16
oiaohmA time when Debian thought it was fine to maintain huge patch sets not merged with upstream.Oct 02 04:17
schestowitzflaouring is OKOct 02 04:17
schestowitzDoes have its placeOct 02 04:17
Chips_B_MalroyI guess some people will be interested in a religous fork of UbuntuOct 02 04:17
sebsebsebschestowitz: flaouring?Oct 02 04:17
oiaohmSince then Debian has learnt that it is not wise todo that.Oct 02 04:17
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: yes, butOct 02 04:17
schestowitz*flavouringOct 02 04:17
hazzyNight guysOct 02 04:17
schestowitznnOct 02 04:17
oiaohmBut a lot of the core maintainers of Ubuntu still have the failure to work with upstream effectively.Oct 02 04:17
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: doesn't take much to make Ubuntu into a religious installOct 02 04:17
sebsebsebhazzy: ok nightOct 02 04:17
*schestowitz will do some postsOct 02 04:18
sebsebsebschestowitz: about what?Oct 02 04:18
schestowitzEVERYTHING!Oct 02 04:18
sebsebsebschestowitz: ok right so a blog post about eating oranges for example then :DOct 02 04:19
sebsebsebschestowitz: or maybe even better, a blog post, about writing that blog post :DOct 02 04:20
sebsebsebI mean for any blog post, but sure for the oranges one then :)Oct 02 04:20
oiaohmsebsebseb: KDE 3.5 using QT4 libs is officlaly called trinity desktop not KDE.Oct 02 04:20
sebsebseboiaohm: ok so thats a sort of fork, but not quiteOct 02 04:20
oiaohmBut Ubuntu guys don't respect that either.Oct 02 04:20
sebsebseboiaohm: not gone on the siteOct 02 04:21
oiaohmIts a full blown fork sebsebsebOct 02 04:21
oiaohmInternal code of KDE 3.5 has ben majorally altered to support QT4Oct 02 04:21
sebsebsebok KDE 3.5 like we know it, but with QT4 apps so its up to date?Oct 02 04:21
oiaohmQT3 and QT4 are not compadible.Oct 02 04:21
sebsebsebmaybe I should install something like that on real hardware :DOct 02 04:21
oiaohmtrinity keeps as much of the KDE 3.5 interface as able.Oct 02 04:22
oiaohmQT3 has major internal design flaws.  sebsebsebOct 02 04:22
oiaohmSo trinity funny enough is a smaller code base than full KDE 3.5Oct 02 04:23
Chips_B_Malroyso it cannot run both the QT4 apps and the old QT3 apps at the same time?Oct 02 04:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz: The general public gives them money, out of IT ignorance or lack of options (such as the need for non-free CAD programs)Oct 02 04:23
sebsebseboiaohm: Trinity is form the guy that made  KDE 3 for later versions of Ubuntu, quite sure of it, when going on that pageOct 02 04:23
sebsebseboiaohm: and that would also explain why, they only seem to have versions for Ubuntu and DebianOct 02 04:24
oiaohmAgain they are not KDE 3 its ubuntu miss labeling.Oct 02 04:24
sebsebseboiaohm: it says fork on the pageOct 02 04:24
oiaohmQT4 and QT3 can run side by side.Oct 02 04:24
oiaohmProblem is KDE 3 and KDE 4 normally cannot.Oct 02 04:24
oiaohmDue to differences in file storage caused by QT4 and QT3 in configuration files.Oct 02 04:25
oiaohmtrinity removes issues like that.Oct 02 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu @schestowitz I guess this time M$'s going to have it: Motorola's not Tom Tom. They have patents on uProcessors and TelcoOct 02 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz @rsandu I'm actually rooting for Nokia to tag team with Motorola and sue M$'s ass out in retaliationOct 02 04:25
sebsebseboiaohm: Ubuntu 8.04 had both in repoOct 02 04:25
sebsebseboiaohm: anyway yeah I should give trinity a try in Ubuntu 10.10 as well, when I put onOct 02 04:25
Chips_B_Malroy<oiaohm> trinity removes issues like that."  which might make it worthwhileOct 02 04:25
sebsebsebthe plan is to have all of this installed,  Ubuntu with their sucky Gnome patches, but I will customise a bit,  Xubuntu, Lubuntu,  Netbook interface Gnome and KDE,  and sure why not do Trinity as wellOct 02 04:26
oiaohmReally it would have helped if ubuntu and debian had called it what it was.Oct 02 04:26
sebsebsebreally it would have been great if it would run on other distros as well, but I suppouse they got to start some whereOct 02 04:27
sebsebsebmaybe someone will start a proper fork of Gnome 2 next year as wellOct 02 04:28
Chips_B_Malroylets see if it gets into upstream DebianOct 02 04:28
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: probaby not that likelyOct 02 04:28
oiaohmReally in time KDE 3.5 will fade.Oct 02 04:28
sebsebseboiaohm: which is the kind of thing I tried to say earlierOct 02 04:28
oiaohmKDE 4.x is getting far closer intergrations with QT 4.xOct 02 04:29
oiaohmSo code stack will thin.Oct 02 04:29
Chips_B_Malroydepends if kde4 will run on all the old hardware out there that it doesn't run on nowOct 02 04:29
Chips_B_Malroythe kde3.x didOct 02 04:29
sebsebsebright yeahOct 02 04:29
sebsebseband we may get a similar situationOct 02 04:29
sebsebsebwhen it comes to Gnome 2 and Gnome 3Oct 02 04:29
oiaohmKDE 4.5 runs on more hardware than the prior ones did.Oct 02 04:30
sebsebsebaltough I think the old look can be used with Gnome 3 under the hoodOct 02 04:30
Chips_B_Malroya lot of us do not have the newest hardware to work withOct 02 04:30
oiaohmMost of the KDE 4.x line has been reducing to lower requirements.Oct 02 04:30
sebsebsebChips_B_Malroy: indeedOct 02 04:30
oiaohmAlso part is galuim3d and others for dri2 support.Oct 02 04:31
oiaohmKDE 3.5 has a lot of in built software rendering.Oct 02 04:31
sebsebseboiaohm: whatever those areOct 02 04:31
oiaohmKDE 4.x expects the graphical system of the OS to provide.Oct 02 04:31
Chips_B_Malroywell something, either the kernels, Xorg versions, or KDE 4x is not running so well on the hardware i try it on, video problemsOct 02 04:31
oiaohmTranspanancy effects and so on KDE 3.5 can software render it self.  sebsebsebOct 02 04:32
sebsebseboiaohm: your saying KDE 3.5 doesn't really need xorg?Oct 02 04:32
oiaohmWhere KDE 4.x need X11 server todo it.Oct 02 04:32
oiaohmReally KDE 3.5 does not use hardware accleration either for those operations.Oct 02 04:32
oiaohmKDE 3.5 needs X11 but does not really attempt to take advantage of what  X11 offers sebsebsebOct 02 04:33
sebsebseboiaohm: oh okOct 02 04:33
sebsebseband yes I thought it needed xorgOct 02 04:33
oiaohmKDE 4.x trys to take advantage of what X11 servers should offer but if the X11 server not up to scratch opps hell.Oct 02 04:33
sebsebsebopps hell?Oct 02 04:34
sebsebsebif the xserver isn't good enough, problems with KDE 4Oct 02 04:34
sebsebsebthats what your saying?Oct 02 04:34
oiaohmXserver and drivers yes.Oct 02 04:34
sebsebseboh okOct 02 04:34
sebsebsebwell yeah ok theres thisOct 02 04:34
sebsebseb,butOct 02 04:35
sebsebsebfor meOct 02 04:35
sebsebsebKDE 3 is more user friendly as wellOct 02 04:35
sebsebseband probably for quite a lot of people as wellOct 02 04:35
sebsebsebKDE 4 is uhOct 02 04:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu BTW, U R from Romania ? We love Paula Mitrache here in Brazil! Hot BABE!!!Oct 02 04:35
oiaohmKDE from 4.0 to 4.4 also has not focused on memory optisationas and the like sebsebsebOct 02 04:35
oiaohmKDE 4.5 is the first to start working on memory usage optisations and read optimisations.Oct 02 04:36
Chips_B_MalroyI would have wished for KDE to have limited support for KDE3.5 for longer period of time.  I don't buy that they needed to just drop it.Oct 02 04:36
oiaohmSo yes KDE 4.5 is lighter on requirement than the past ones in the KDE 4.x line.Oct 02 04:36
oiaohmReally KDE 3.5 on QT 3 become unmaintainable.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:38
oiaohmKDE 4.0 was not rewritten from basically nothing for no good reason.Oct 02 04:38
Chips_B_Malroyunimprovable without major work I would buy, but unmaintainable noOct 02 04:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu GNU/Linux has some decent CAD programsOct 02 04:38
oiaohmQT 3 for windows management has not been upgraded.Oct 02 04:39
oiaohmFor general applications yes windows management no Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:39
Chips_B_Malroywhat they kde should have done is to make kde4 and kde3.5 as two completely different windows managers that both could have been installed on the same distroOct 02 04:39
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oiaohmkde 3.5 needs what trinity is doing.Oct 02 04:40
oiaohmTo be made maintainable.Oct 02 04:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith but Nokia's CEO is a Micosoft President now. Stephen will bend over for Stephen. cc @rsanduOct 02 04:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: @dreamhost MYSQL database is down again . Please solve the the Request no 4039424. ImmediatelyOct 02 04:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Ahh, yup... Forgot that. Interesting timing, huh ?Oct 02 04:40
oiaohmLots of work lots of resources.Oct 02 04:40
Chips_B_MalroyyesOct 02 04:40
oiaohmBasically  kde 3.5 got to the point of rewrite now.Oct 02 04:40
Chips_B_Malroywell you know i am just trying to hang onto that old hardware as long as possibleOct 02 04:40
oiaohmkde 4.5 is lighter than its past ones.Oct 02 04:41
oiaohmKde 4.6 will be lighter again.Oct 02 04:41
Chips_B_Malroybut consider that a lot of windows users always try linux on an older computer first, which works better on kde3.5 than 4x usuallyOct 02 04:41
oiaohmcenteral cache for icons kde 3.5 had.Oct 02 04:41
oiaohmThat was missing until Kde 4.5Oct 02 04:42
Chips_B_Malroymy main beef against kde4xOct 02 04:42
Chips_B_Malroyand I use it on one of my laptopsOct 02 04:42
Chips_B_Malroy4.3Oct 02 04:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith Yes, I'm from Bucharest. Paula IS great, indeed (and very beautiful), but she is not well-known in Romania, she lives in ItalyOct 02 04:43
oiaohmKDE forcast the time for the X11 rewirte wrong.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:44
Chips_B_MalroyyesOct 02 04:44
oiaohmAnd the delays on that have made KDE 4.x line lot worse than thought it would be.Oct 02 04:45
oiaohmThe over memory usage has be another KDE 4.x head ache.Oct 02 04:45
Chips_B_Malroythey had the right idea, all I am saying is you don't have to throw out the old product which was kde3.5 and was doing well.  Just maintain it every so littleOct 02 04:45
oiaohmBut it was breaking up due to the X11 server updades.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:46
Chips_B_Malroybecause to me, clearly kde4x is not really seem like a continuation of kde3xOct 02 04:46
oiaohmThe very things that KDE 4.x need to work well leads to KDE 3.5 malfunctioning.Oct 02 04:46
Chips_B_Malroyah, ok, I see what you are saying now with X11Oct 02 04:47
Chips_B_Malroyalso I know drivers get dropped in some of the newer kernels as wellOct 02 04:47
Chips_B_Malroythe older driversOct 02 04:47
oiaohmits one of those rare rock and hard place.Oct 02 04:47
oiaohmolder drivers dropped because no one is maintaining them.Oct 02 04:48
oiaohmSo they are not updating to support what KDE 4 needs yep they work great with 3.5 because they are old and bit rotting stuff.Oct 02 04:48
oiaohmBasically is a zero win location unforntanly.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:49
Chips_B_Malroy"<oiaohm> So they are not updating to support what KDE 4 needs yep they work great with 3.5 because they are old and bit rotting stuff.Oct 02 04:49
oiaohmKDE 4.x is design to use compositing heavly.Oct 02 04:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu Really ? She's big here in Brazil, at least was 4, 5 years ago, with the music Dragostea Din Tei (even I remember the name, so...)Oct 02 04:50
Chips_B_Malroy"<oiaohm> So they are not updating to support what KDE 4 needs yep they work great with 3.5 because they are old and bit rotting stuff."  Ok, and thats why a lot of kde4 does not work on older hardware, especially laptops.  This R52 thinkpad with Intel video is not that old.Oct 02 04:50
oiaohmSo reducing cpu work and using more gpu.Oct 02 04:50
oiaohmHave a close look inside the intel drivers Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:51
oiaohmBig cases of bit rot and modern feature not being implemented yet.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:51
Chips_B_Malroyactually I have the same intel chipsets on my acer laptops and it works with kde4.3, go figureOct 02 04:51
oiaohmSome of the intel drivers are modern.Oct 02 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz I use PythonCAD and qCAD, but for advanced, profesional AutoCAD users this is an area where GNU/Linux seriously lags behindOct 02 04:52
oiaohmSome have not seen a coder in 5 years.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:52
oiaohmOk some sections have not seen a coder in 5 years.Oct 02 04:52
oiaohmJust happens to be used in 5 year old hardware and brand new intel hardware.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:52
oiaohmSo yep sux majorally.Oct 02 04:52
Chips_B_Malroynot a problem of course if the 5 year old driver still worksOct 02 04:53
oiaohmThis case the 5 year old driver is a dog that should be taken out and shot.Oct 02 04:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith Unfortunately, many Romanian artists are more known outside than in their own country...Oct 02 04:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu AutoCAD head is now serving Steve Ballmer (in Yahoo!)Oct 02 04:53
Chips_B_Malroywell that probably the case hereOct 02 04:53
oiaohmBig clue is if the driver is still using dri1 not dri 2Oct 02 04:54
Chips_B_Malroythe Acer is a little newer, I admitt, althought the R52 is the better laptopOct 02 04:54
oiaohmIf you intel video card is still using a dri1 driver KDE is screwed.Oct 02 04:54
oiaohmIe KDE 4.x is screwed.Oct 02 04:54
Chips_B_Malroynot sure how to check thatOct 02 04:55
oiaohmRecently intel went to the extream of working out how to have KMS and keep the old dog dri1 drivers alive.Oct 02 04:55
Chips_B_Malroyat least the R52 has newer intel wireless chipset that worked todayOct 02 04:55
oiaohmTo expand the time they have to rewrite.Oct 02 04:55
oiaohmSo expanding the time we have to put up with hell from intel cards.Oct 02 04:56
Chips_B_Malroyat least they are not Nividia chipset that are known to fail in laptopsOct 02 04:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz Traditionally, Romania is a country of WORKSTATION-only (IBM-compat PCs). In CAD, that leaves little alternative to AutoCADOct 02 04:57
Chips_B_MalroyIn laptops Chips B on uses ATI or IntelOct 02 04:57
oiaohmNote the older intel drivers also give wine major problems as well.Oct 02 04:57
oiaohmBasically dri 1 intel drivers are crud.Oct 02 04:57
Chips_B_Malroydepends on how much of a gamer you areOct 02 04:58
Chips_B_MalroyI guessOct 02 04:58
oiaohmIf you find out or not.Oct 02 04:58
oiaohmI guess that explains what the problem is  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz And AutoCAD is taught in Romanian technical universities as Bible :-(Oct 02 04:58
Chips_B_Malroywine has done good on both these laptops with intel graphics, a credit to you wine folks btw, but then I don't do heavy gamingOct 02 04:59
oiaohmReally you will see a difference one day.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 04:59
Chips_B_MalroyI stick to stuff I know people like, like the popcap games the wife has to haveOct 02 04:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Offers More Filesystem #swpats Traps (While Suing Over Them Again), #RedHat 's Rob Tiller Speaks #tuxera 02 05:00
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Chips_B_MalroyI had Civilization 3 working at one time, but cannot get that to work again.  Once had Civ 4 working, but was too slow on the computer it was onOct 02 05:00
Chips_B_MalroyCiv 3 might have been on Crossover or CedegaOct 02 05:01
oiaohm  I guess you know of this.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:01
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Chips_B_MalroynoOct 02 05:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Reading pro git, sipping kopi tarek and eating kaya toast. Weekend starting out great! #fb 02 05:02
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Chips_B_Malroybut have gweled, zaz, and jools all working and they freeOct 02 05:04
Chips_B_Malroybesides the popcaps games in wineOct 02 05:04
oiaohmtuxcap allows some of those games to be run without wineOct 02 05:04
oiaohmand it uses way less resources in the process.Oct 02 05:04
Chips_B_Malroygames are inportant to help convert windows usersOct 02 05:05
oiaohmReally that is a mistakeOct 02 05:06
Chips_B_Malroydownloading it, and will try it sometimeOct 02 05:06
Chips_B_MalroythanksOct 02 05:06
oiaohmWe need better business intergration software.Oct 02 05:06
oiaohmLot of people use at home what they use at work.Oct 02 05:06
Chips_B_Malroyno, we need MS Office to dieOct 02 05:07
oiaohmI was not talking about MS OfficeOct 02 05:07
oiaohmKoffice and OpenOffice/libioffice both don't have user to user intergration built in.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:08
oiaohmIts been a weaknessOct 02 05:08
Chips_B_Malroynot as sure about that as you areOct 02 05:09
oiaohmHeck OpenOffice was missing a built in grammer checker by default.Oct 02 05:09
oiaohmReally there should be like what blender does.Oct 02 05:09
oiaohmfor lets say 6 months a start up company has to live exactly on what is provided out box.  If out box is not upto job coders have to fix.Oct 02 05:10
Chips_B_Malroyfor business use maybe, for the average users, the office apps in GNU/linux are already overkillOct 02 05:11
oiaohmBig thing you forgot.Oct 02 05:11
oiaohmaverage users normally bring stuff home from work and take it back to work.Oct 02 05:11
oiaohmSo the Business side has to work or there are incompadiblies.Oct 02 05:12
Chips_B_Malroyno matter what you do to OpenOffice, there will always be people who complaign that its not enough compared to MS Office.  Its mostly they do now want to try something else as they are afraid they might have to learn something.Oct 02 05:13
Chips_B_MalroyinertiaOct 02 05:14
oiaohmReally openoffice has 3 major issues.Oct 02 05:14
Chips_B_Malroy"its too hard to move"Oct 02 05:14
oiaohmYou know MS Publisher.Oct 02 05:14
oiaohmIt provides you with great wisards for getting stuff done.Oct 02 05:14
Chips_B_Malroy3 is a lot less than the ones that MS office hasOct 02 05:14
oiaohmOpenOffice is rich in templates but very few wisards for documentation production exist.Oct 02 05:15
Chips_B_MalroyMS Publisher, I really do not known that well.  a friend of mine uses it that runs a printshopOct 02 05:15
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oiaohmMS word even has a lot of wisards.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:15
Chips_B_MalroyI tried to help convert the friend to ScibiusOct 02 05:15
Chips_B_Malroybut inertial wonOct 02 05:16
oiaohmReally Scibus and Publisher don't match up.Oct 02 05:16
Chips_B_MalroyThe friend even converted to MacOct 02 05:16
oiaohmthey are two completely different levels of production tools.Oct 02 05:16
Chips_B_Malroynothing matches up with MS Publisher except for exporting to PDFOct 02 05:16
oiaohmScibus is closer to latex than what Publisher is.Oct 02 05:17
oiaohmPublisher is a heavly wisard driven beast.Oct 02 05:17
oiaohmTruefully we have nothing like it in open source.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:17
oiaohmI can point to a few free programs that are has heavly wisard driven as publisher Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:19
Chips_B_Malroyunfortunately, my experience in desktop publishing was mostly in PFS Publisher v3.0 (dos) and in Lotus Smartsuite which was a office suite, not MS PublisherOct 02 05:19
oiaohmPFS and Lotus are in the Scibus and Latex range of coverage.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:19
oiaohmSo yep to use Scibus would look fine to a MS pub user it will look like complete hard to use crap.Oct 02 05:20
Chips_B_Malroywhich is properly why I liked the look of ScibusOct 02 05:20
Chips_B_Malroyso your other suggustions of free programs for the friend to use that resemble the monkey boy's MS Publisher?  would be appreciated, a good friend.Oct 02 05:21
oiaohm  Is about the closest out there its not the same.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #MeeGo on TI OMAP !playoggOct 02 05:22
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oiaohmAnd its not for Linux Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:22
Chips_B_Malroydo you know if it might work on wine?Oct 02 05:22
oiaohmNever tried in wine.Oct 02 05:22
oiaohmI am more like you Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:22
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Chips_B_Malroyno big deal, the friend has virtualbox on the MacOct 02 05:23
oiaohm  << this suites my ends better.  And might suite you as well.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:23
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oiaohmSince we are both around the same style of background.Oct 02 05:23
Chips_B_MalroyNo, you much more involved with the community than I amOct 02 05:23
Chips_B_Malroyand I like your work with wine, a app I really appreciateOct 02 05:24
oiaohmI was meaning from a publishing point of view.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:24
Chips_B_Malroy*anOct 02 05:24
Chips_B_MalroykOct 02 05:24
oiaohmI really find scribus too limiting.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:24
Chips_B_Malroyyes, I have LyX installed on the other laptop too.  Found it through one of Roy's links here.Oct 02 05:25
Chips_B_MalroyI do try to read most of the articles hereOct 02 05:26
oiaohmReally a focus on wisard interfaces is something Linux and Open source needs.Oct 02 05:26
oiaohmWhat makes SBS server kinda friendly a stack of HTA files.Oct 02 05:27
Chips_B_Malroytoo much windows like for many  of usOct 02 05:27
oiaohmWizards done well make sence.Oct 02 05:27
Chips_B_MalroyI did like the wireless wizard in PCLinuxOS, I have to admitOct 02 05:28
Chips_B_Malroyit was smoothOct 02 05:28
oiaohmReally having good wizards is not being like windows.Oct 02 05:28
oiaohmIts being userfriendly.Oct 02 05:28
oiaohmI know that kinda goes against Linux nature.Oct 02 05:29
oiaohmMaybe we need to think up a different name other than wizard for them.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:30
Chips_B_MalroyWhy my oldest brother liked Ubuntu best, in his words, "because it (gnome) does not look like windows, and kde does."Oct 02 05:30
oiaohmPeople remember too many of the bad MS ones.Oct 02 05:30
oiaohmWisards don't have to look like the MS ones.Oct 02 05:30
oiaohmIe the basic idea is good.Oct 02 05:30
Chips_B_Malroythat would be niceOct 02 05:30
oiaohmLacking them just makes your life harder than it should be.Oct 02 05:31
Chips_B_Malroybut not wizards for everything, pleaseOct 02 05:31
oiaohmFor documentation production templates and wizards make sence.Oct 02 05:31
Chips_B_Malroynow if there would just be a way to get magicjack working natively on LinuxOct 02 05:32
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oiaohmwizards are for avoidng having 1000 templates the same just with things like background different in each.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 05:32
oiaohmSo making looking for what kind of document you want to produce hard.Oct 02 05:32
oiaohmIe for open office and koffice they would be a god send.Oct 02 05:33
Chips_B_MalroymaybeOct 02 05:33
oiaohmFor documentation production.Oct 02 05:33
Chips_B_Malroyyou might have a pointOct 02 05:33
oiaohmOpenoffice or koffice with a good set of wizards could go head to head with MS publisher.Oct 02 05:34
Chips_B_MalroyMS Publisher is more of a joke than a good desktop publishing toolOct 02 05:34
oiaohmThat is the point.Oct 02 05:34
oiaohmMS Publisher is basically MS word without the buges and good wizards.Oct 02 05:35
Chips_B_MalroyBut its what you learn first with many people, as in my friend learned it first.Oct 02 05:35
Chips_B_MalroyBut it had a good tutorialOct 02 05:35
oiaohmReally there is no reason for word and pubisher to exist other than MS wanting money.Oct 02 05:35
Chips_B_Malroyyes, the greed factor againOct 02 05:36
oiaohmNo MS Pub due to the wisards you can basically use it without a tutorial and still get decent results.Oct 02 05:36
oiaohmThe wizards guide you to decent results.Oct 02 05:36
oiaohmAlso makes the users lazy.Oct 02 05:36
Chips_B_Malroyand has lots of lockinOct 02 05:37
oiaohmYepOct 02 05:37
oiaohmReally there need to be a project prepared to take it on head on.Oct 02 05:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Over 2,000 supporters signed the petition for an independent Foundation already - join us! 02 11:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] The Document Foundation Planet is now live: http://planet.documentfoundation.orgOct 02 12:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Ik ben weer een grote pan "Limburgse Kippensoep" met 1 kilo kipfilet, asperges en champignons aan het koken. Dat wordt weer smullen ;-)Oct 02 12:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Installed Win7 Ultimate and Ubuntu Maverick RC on my Lappy. Win7 will be removed today. Networking is seriously flawed. M$ Hobbyware :-(Oct 02 12:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Ah, Saturday. Leaving behind the 6:00 wakeup alarm for... a 5:55 one. Hey, at least I get to start learning to skate today! Er, fall over.Oct 02 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Installation program of Ubuntu Maverick is extremely n00b friendly and looks very professional. Great job !Ubuntu Devs!Oct 02 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] just came back from InceptionOct 02 12:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: We just reached 2000 signatures on the Create an independent O petition! Sign it at 02 12:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] yet more !MS astroturfers infiltrating !Linux groups on huh? @windowsseven are you official or unofficial?Oct 02 12:57
cubevectorok got a nice FOSS videoOct 02 12:57
cubevectormay be of some interestOct 02 12:57
oiaohmProvide link please cubevector.  Don't leave us hanging.Oct 02 12:57
cubevectorwait a minute or so :)Oct 02 12:58
cubevectorcan one put ogv on youtube?Oct 02 13:00
cubevectoroh well, I guess I can host it myselfOct 02 13:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] €18 for a CD is too much for a student.Fix this @jefneve - Nontheless Imaginary Road by Jef Neve Trio is a musthaveOct 02 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "It's more expensive with Windows" << more honest slogan for PC retailers who insist on using a MS slogan !Win7Oct 02 13:12
cubevectorok, this is just a demo I madeOct 02 13:13
cubevectorit's about 16 megsOct 02 13:13
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oiaohmI had forgoten that feature exists. cubevectorOct 02 13:17
cubevectoryeah I thought it was worth mentioning :)Oct 02 13:22
cubevectorthat was KDE 3.5.10 which I still preferOct 02 13:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] New America Foundation supports The Document Foundation: 02 13:25
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cubevector16 megs for 7 minutes, not bad reallyOct 02 13:25
oiaohmYou can still do it in KDE 4 cubevectorOct 02 13:27
oiaohmProcess is a little longer.Oct 02 13:27
cubevectoroiaohm, yes but you recall I said KDE was generally older on older computers?Oct 02 13:28
cubevectorthat's the main reason I still use 3.5.10Oct 02 13:28
cubevectorgenerally slowerOct 02 13:28
oiaohmMy machines I run kde 4.x on are almost 10 years old.Oct 02 13:34
oiaohmSo not that young.Oct 02 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Steering Committee Members of The Document Foundation will present their idea at the OOoKWV in Munich: 02 13:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu BricsCad also has a Linux version. And BricsCad is even better than AutoCadOct 02 13:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @thistleweb yet more !MS astroturfers infiltrating !Linux groups on huh? @windowsseven are you official or unofficial?Oct 02 13:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @kernellogauthor Peter Hutterer ("Who-T"): Thoughts on Linux multitouch 02 13:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Winblow$, no matter what number(5, 6, 7, 8), just plain SUCKS balls. I study Operating Systems architecture, and winblow$ guts R a MESSOct 02 13:57
schestowitz@jwildeboer what's  this about? When did this lawsuit get filed? 02 14:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @jwildeboer what's this about? When did this lawsuit get filed? 02 14:02
schestowitzHi, jweyrichOct 02 14:02
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jweyrichOla schestowitzOct 02 14:02
oiaohmNotice no redhat statement.Oct 02 14:02
oiaohmI would guess Acacia pulled the pin.Oct 02 14:02
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oiaohm  2007 schestowitzOct 02 14:08
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oiaohm  The 3 years latter legal ass kicking schestowitzOct 02 14:08
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oiaohmI guess Acacia pulled pin before ending up in court against redhat again.Oct 02 14:09
schestowitzgnufreex   Oct 1st, 2010 at 2:21 pmOct 02 14:09
schestowitzIf anything, I think Apotheker will make HP more unfriendly to free software. It is really debatable why Hurd was ousted. I happen to think he is removed by Microsoft because he engaged HP in free software “too much”. Acquisitions of Palm and Phoenix Linux BIOS tech as well contributions to GNOME and Linux kernel put HP on Microsoft’s hit list. Microsoft declared HP a threat in SEC fillings. Now Apotheker comes from proprietaryOct 02 14:09
schestowitzcompany which is Microsoft ally. Make no mistake, SAP is enemy of free software. They feel the burn, and their business practices are incompatible with free software as much as Microsoft’s. SAP had a try when they released MaxDB under GPL, but they abandoned it after some time and continued supporting proprietary version. Since Apotheker lack experience with being a CEO (he was SAP CEO for only about a year) he will probably leaveOct 02 14:09
schestowitzlots decision making to his underlings. And chief of HP software division is a Microsoft guy, appointed right about after Palm acquisition.Oct 02 14:09
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schestowitz[14:09] <oiaohm> I guess Acacia pulled pin before ending up in court against redhat again.Oct 02 14:10
schestowitzWhat do you mean?Oct 02 14:10
oiaohmRedhat does not normally settle.Oct 02 14:10
oiaohmIf they settle it for all of Open Source at once.Oct 02 14:10
oiaohmSo you would be expecting a press release from redhat.Oct 02 14:11
oiaohmNo redhat press release most likely Acacia has pulled the pin on pushing the patent against redhat.Oct 02 14:11
schestowitzSo you think they fake?Oct 02 14:11
oiaohmComing to a understanding has many meanings. schestowitzOct 02 14:11
oiaohmI don't think the patents are fake.  I suspect is a case like there section of there past batch where the open source implemenation was way different so there patents did not apply.Oct 02 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu see 02 14:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @jwildeboer congrats! I've just made 7 yrs!Oct 02 14:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Zarmina's World 02 14:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] New blog post: The C void Functions (via @robbychen)Oct 02 14:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "interesting" page on "making money online" comments @windowsseven ?Oct 02 14:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @jwildeboer just 5 years? you sometimes sound like it has been 50 ;-)Oct 02 14:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] BT due later today, hope it just requires a new cable to the house.Oct 02 14:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] anyone know if the "independent" Which "internet guide" is a !Windows back-to-front guide?Oct 02 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] !wikileaks: "It's time to open the archives" [PIC]Oct 02 14:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "While the prices of some netbooks have started to creep up" yes Win7 has an effect 02 14:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the "independent" Which guide to the internet for those who wanna look 02 14:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] yep, the Which guide may as well have been written by !MS, they even show !IE when talking of online banking safety #failOct 02 14:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] The Question That doesn't go away: Will the market ever see a Motorola Winblow$ Phone $even ??? I for one, GUESS NOT...Oct 02 15:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bpglobalpr/@bpglobalpr] BPGlobalPR: California passed a law so we can finally go after the fraudulent online imposters at @BP_America - htt... 02 15:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Is there any better (than impress, other than S5) FLOSS solution for creating awesome presentations? !fsOct 02 15:03
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cubezzzwhat is SLS anyone remember?Oct 02 15:09
cubezzzsome old Linux distro I thinkOct 02 15:09
jweyrichcubezzz: a poison? heh.Oct 02 15:11
oiaohm  as a linux distrobutions poison is quite a far description. jweyrichOct 02 15:19
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oiaohmcubezzz: SLS thank god is no more.Oct 02 15:20
cubezzzyeah I heardOct 02 15:20
oiaohmI used it at one point.  cubezzzOct 02 15:20
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cubezzzDarkstar 0.99 was my first LinuxOct 02 15:24
cubezzznever tried SLSOct 02 15:25
oiaohmOk so a way latter one.Oct 02 15:26
oiaohmSLS is about the first.Oct 02 15:26
oiaohmAfter that comes slackware and debian.Oct 02 15:26
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oiaohmThen a long way down the track after slackware darkstar forks out.Oct 02 15:26
cubezzzway later? Darkstar 0.99 was 1994 :)Oct 02 15:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] things fall into place about teaching tech/devel skills and open source. still have to talk to some of my friends about it.Oct 02 15:27
cubezzzIn my younger days I was a Commodore personOct 02 15:27
oiaohmLot happened between 1991 to 1994Oct 02 15:27
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oiaohmIts one of the bussiest point of Linux history.Oct 02 15:28
cubezzzheh, well we know MinceR no like iPadOct 02 15:28
MinceRwe can at least laugh at itOct 02 15:28
MinceRand at its usersOct 02 15:29
cubezzzI'm kind of bummed because all my old buddies are on Microsoft now (renewing friendships on facebook)Oct 02 15:29
MinceRewOct 02 15:29
MinceRyou obviously were in bad companyOct 02 15:29
cubezzzMinceR, this is going back to before Linux and Windows existedOct 02 15:30
cubezzzbut they all ended up on dozeOct 02 15:30
MinceRthen they've failed at IT, at least a little.Oct 02 15:30
cubezzzprobably why I hang out in here so muchOct 02 15:31
MinceR:)Oct 02 15:31
oiaohm  Darkstar is not even listed here.  cubezzzOct 02 15:33
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oiaohm  But this gets a place.Oct 02 15:34
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cubezzzoiaohm, I don't see SLS on there eitherOct 02 15:36
cubezzzand I never heard of MCC Interim :)Oct 02 15:36
oiaohmSLS is on there cubezzzOct 02 15:36
oiaohmscroll down find the big mess of slackwareOct 02 15:36
cubezzzah, so it isOct 02 15:36
cubezzzdarkstar did exist thoughOct 02 15:37
cubezzzoiaohm, Darkstar is on there tooOct 02 15:37
cubezzzpart of the slackware branchOct 02 15:38
Diablo-D3[10:31:51] <oiaohm>  Darkstar is not even listed here.  cubezzzOct 02 15:38
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Diablo-D3its on thereOct 02 15:38
Diablo-D3what the fuck is it anyhowOct 02 15:38
cubezzzI can barely even remember itOct 02 15:38
cubezzzI think Ryerson used it back in the dayOct 02 15:38
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oiaohmHmm I think they have darkstar in the wrong place in the tree. cubezzzOct 02 15:40
oiaohmIe why I did not find it.Oct 02 15:40
Diablo-D3Ive never even heard of itOct 02 15:41
oiaohmYou would not have harder of the distribution called bogus either Diablo-D3Oct 02 15:41
Diablo-D3the only darkstar I know of was Sun's mmo platform that never took offOct 02 15:41
oiaohmThere are many warped named distributions out there.Oct 02 15:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How to be a data journalist - perfect for a lazy Saturday afternoon #datajournalismOct 02 15:42
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cubezzzummm, might be dead nowOct 02 15:42
Diablo-D3oh, and one of tesla's cars had a project name of thatOct 02 15:42
cubezzznothing in over a year, could be deadsvilleOct 02 15:43
cubezzzit was active until 2008Oct 02 15:43
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cubezzzone of the people I used to know used SLS, then basically went into WindowsOct 02 15:46
Diablo-D3it had a website, but its goneOct 02 15:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Just finished my first ever roller skating class. Only fell down one time, and starting to learn how to start and stop when I want to!Oct 02 15:48
cubezzzlooking at Google Groups the earliest messages about Linux seem to appear in Oct 1992Oct 02 15:49
cubezzzer, 1991Oct 02 15:50
cubezzzDarkstar appears in messages back to 1993Oct 02 15:50
Diablo-D3darkstar, apparently, is the default name of a computer in slackware.Oct 02 15:51
cubezzzyeah, Darkstar 0.99 was 1994Oct 02 15:55
cubezzzcould be two different distros called Darkstar Linux I guessOct 02 15:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] @timbl - what's the current standard for open transit data?Oct 02 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Accessing #SMART data about eSATA-connected RAID disks require “smartctl -d sat” … I wonder which one of the two disks it responds me aboutOct 02 16:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] !gentoo needs more #CJK users to help with cleaning up #IME packages and other stuff :/Oct 02 16:17
ThistleWebschestowitz: have you heard about libreoffice having loads of mono deps?Oct 02 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @pingjockey: While i like the idea of LibreOffice... WTF is with all the Mono build-depends!?!?Oct 02 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ah I have a feeling its ganna be a lazy weekend!Oct 02 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @osamak !wikileaks: "It's time to open the archives" [PIC]Oct 02 16:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Blu-Tack rocks. 02 16:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @evan RT @status "Connecting the Social Web with OStatus at Future of Web Apps in London" by Jon Phillips (@rejon) 02 16:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Things I wish they had never invented: reply to all buttonOct 02 16:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Edwards' Three Laws for Roboticists - rewriting #Asimov for #roboticists, not #robotsOct 02 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] later today is now Wednesday, Grr. #btOct 02 17:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] No Deal on ACTA: Japan Round Ends Without Agreement - we live to fight again, but it's getting close #actaOct 02 17:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] New Linux Outlaws episode released: 167 - On Her Majesty's Secret Server > < incl. Dan reviewing CyanogenMod 6Oct 02 17:32
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schestowitz[16:25] <ThistleWeb> schestowitz: have you heard about libreoffice having loads of mono deps?Oct 02 17:36
schestowitzDoes it? has it?Oct 02 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @pietercolpaert exactly! I found it very silly with Steve Jobs said that Multi Touch's patented in the launch of iPhone ('so?')Oct 02 17:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A new media survey shows that the news no longer cares about "microsoft" (now "google" & "apple"). No problem, Microsoft sues for publicityOct 02 17:42
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dyfetHere is a curious mysteryOct 02 17:44
schestowitzhi, dyfetOct 02 17:44
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schestowitzBTW, I had dozens of people link to your article about privacy last weekOct 02 17:44
schestowitzNot sure you noticedOct 02 17:44
dyfetcool :) No I i did not notice though...Oct 02 17:45
schestowitzdyfet: unlikely they bought anyOct 02 17:45
schestowitzI saw it in some news siteOct 02 17:45
dyfetSo you think its a desperate pr play?Oct 02 17:45
schestowitzTechFLashOct 02 17:46
schestowitzMicrosoft sponsoredOct 02 17:46
schestowitzBing sponsored, whateverOct 02 17:46
dyfetah...Oct 02 17:46
schestowitzLEt me read it quicklyOct 02 17:46
schestowitzMary Jo Microsoftr also did damage controlOct 02 17:46
schestowitzDid you see my article about it (posted today)Oct 02 17:46
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dyfetYes, thats why when I saw this other article I thought I would discuss it here...Oct 02 17:47
schestowitz"Microsoft is just focused on organic growth or if something bigger might be in the works."Oct 02 17:47
schestowitzOrganic growth?Oct 02 17:47
schestowitzWith layoffs?Oct 02 17:47
schestowitzAnd offshoring to India?Oct 02 17:47
schestowitz"Microsoft is just focused on organic growth or if something bigger might be in the works."Oct 02 17:48
schestowitzOOpsOct 02 17:48
schestowitzWait..Oct 02 17:48
schestowitz"UPDATE: Microsoft's Brown said that Microsoft has completed about 15 M&A deals this year, though a number of them were very small and therefore were not announced. [CB Insights only tracked announced deals). He also indicated that the company has entered into a few deals that are signed, but have yet to be announced. Anyone have any ideas on where Microsoft might be sniffing around?"Oct 02 17:48
schestowitzSO basically, Microsoft got worriedOct 02 17:48
schestowitzAfter Business Insider had linked to itOct 02 17:48
schestowitz"He also indicated that the company has entered into a few deals that are signed, but have yet to be announced."Oct 02 17:49
schestowitzSSPPPPPPIIIINNN....Oct 02 17:49
schestowitzMy skeptic-fu blinksOct 02 17:49
dyfetDesperation to be in the news for something perhapsOct 02 17:49
schestowitzIf they had said "3 quiet m&a" I'd say OKOct 02 17:49
schestowitzBut 15 _stealth_ ones?Oct 02 17:50
schestowitz"Mommy, I have an elephant under my bed again"Oct 02 17:50
dyfetlolOct 02 17:51
dyfetWell, I was going to post an article on i4i and microsoft patent terrorism sometime this weekendOct 02 17:52
schestowitz"[Posted updated below with clarification on Microsoft's M&A deals.]"Oct 02 17:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] News Bytes 2nd October 2010 – BitTorrent, Ballmer & Bonuses !bittorrent !microsoft !linux !apple !foss !androidOct 02 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz A new media survey shows that the news no longer cares about "microsoft" (now "google" & "apple"). No problem, Microsoft ...Oct 02 17:55
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schestowitzAre Microsoft's results coming this Thurs?Oct 02 18:04
schestowitzMight be layoffs after that if the rumours are trueOct 02 18:05
_GoblinI havent read anything about results yet.Oct 02 18:05
_Goblinoh and hi RoyOct 02 18:05
schestowitzWhen companies are bought, then a PRODUCT is boughtOct 02 18:05
schestowitzMicrosoft can hardly hide newly acquires staffOct 02 18:05
schestowitzAs it would have blogsOct 02 18:05
_Goblinbad boy ballmer didn't get his full bonus...that can't be a good sign...Oct 02 18:05
schestowitzMicrosoft cannot hide adding new PRODUCTSOct 02 18:05
schestowitzAnd...Oct 02 18:05
schestowitzMicrosoft kills many productsOct 02 18:06
_Goblinand assumingly the jobs behind those products.Oct 02 18:06
schestowitzit doesn't jibe right that Micrsooft stealthfully bought 15 new PORTFOLIOS of products without a single mentioned ANYWHERE.Oct 02 18:06
schestowitzThey can't even name one companyOct 02 18:06
schestowitzNeither can anyone hereOct 02 18:06
_Goblinit doesnt matter though Roy, what Microsoft can't sell people, it will just suck from other sucessful products.Oct 02 18:07
schestowitz[18:05] <_Goblin> bad boy ballmer didn't get his full bonus...that can't be a good sign.Oct 02 18:07
schestowitzAnd the stock fellOct 02 18:07
schestowitzHe lost a lot of valueOct 02 18:07
schestowitzAt least the wife stayed with him..Oct 02 18:07
_Goblinnow she deserves a bonus.Oct 02 18:07
schestowitzAnother crazed marketerOct 02 18:07
schestowitzFrom W-EOct 02 18:07
schestowitzConnie Snyder IIRCOct 02 18:08
schestowitzMaybe he'll move to GM like LiddellOct 02 18:08
schestowitzUsed cars salesmanOct 02 18:08
_GoblinI certainly wouldn't buy a car from him.Oct 02 18:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Busy backing up my data and finishing off a game review of yet another excellent !linux title!Oct 02 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @thistleweb Mr. @rrix says "That's clearly a spam account not at all related to windows or ms."Oct 02 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Too funny - the Singhsons - #fbOct 02 18:20
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schestowitz_Goblin: you have toOct 02 18:24
schestowitzIt's bundles to your next house and it's hard to get a refund when returning the car to the estate agentOct 02 18:25
schestowitz*bundledOct 02 18:25
schestowitzA house without a car is "a naked house" and it's too hard to install a car on itOct 02 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @majestyx: RT @mgeist: Joint Statement from all the negotiation parties to #ACTA (Tokyo Oct 2 2010) - #ffii #swpatOct 02 18:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir Costs over $100 to view. #FAIL RT @isostandards: ISO/IEC standard for special mathematical functions (C++) 02 18:37
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schestowitz "Actually it's illegal to use a title like PhD without having earned it. At least in my jurisdiction. So he'd be taking a risk."Oct 02 18:39
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schestowitz*LOL*Oct 02 18:39
schestowitzTHey think I don't have a PhD? Welcome to the world is delusional trollsOct 02 18:39
schestowitz "The title "software engineer" isn't an academic degree. I guess if he claimed a PhD in computer science, he'd be in trouble..."Oct 02 18:40
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schestowitzChatting with the access troll, spreading libel about meOct 02 18:40
schestowitzAnd recommending stalkers, Microsoft boosters...Oct 02 18:40
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schestowitz "But he only says he has a PhD in a field where he wouldn't need to know much about computing."Oct 02 18:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The mobbyists are now resorting to outright libel against meOct 02 18:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] General note: just because I do not respond to lies about me does not make the lies of any legitimacy. I just don't let mobbyists provoke.Oct 02 18:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I would have thought Nokia would have been above this! #fbOct 02 18:53
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schestowitz "Meanwhile, a Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof will heap more praise on the Open Invention Network. #oin #sflc"Oct 02 18:56
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schestowitz "Meanwhile, a Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof will heap more praise on the Open Invention Network. #oin #sflc"Oct 02 18:56
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schestowitzMobbyistOct 02 18:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Waiting for Vodafone to change internet to new house. However, I love routers with a €3 a day USB wireless service :-)Oct 02 18:58
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_GoblinHi Chips!Oct 02 19:01
Chips_B_MalroyHey Goblin, how you doing?Oct 02 19:01
_GoblinVery well!Oct 02 19:01
_Goblinvery busy (as always) but well.Oct 02 19:02
_Goblinjuggling a job, family and foss can be quite demanding!Oct 02 19:02
Chips_B_Malroyand running a website as wellOct 02 19:03
Chips_B_Malroyso you got rid of the troll/shill ms fanboyOct 02 19:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !spurs 2 villa 1, nice ;-) !footallOct 02 19:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Boy Scout Magazine Says Don't Listen To Legally Burned CDs, As They're Too Similar To Piracy - I just love this #scoutsOct 02 19:03
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_Goblinyep that too! and working on getting the first ep of my oggcast out too!Oct 02 19:03
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: yep....I move all the insecure proxies he uses and put the comments into a text file for separate publication...thus giving him his freedom of speech without having the filth fouling up decent peoples comments.Oct 02 19:04
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: created a nice little block-listOct 02 19:05
Chips_B_Malroyas we found in Microsoft Watch, when they clearly cannot win the debate, they try t distract from the message with filth.Oct 02 19:05
Chips_B_Malroyusing host file?Oct 02 19:06
Chips_B_Malroyto do that I betOct 02 19:06
Chips_B_Malroybut maybe best not to say hereOct 02 19:07
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: yep.  Robotron helped, he rose to my bait (as I knew he would) and bombarded me with hundreds of posts of filth...thus enabling me to create a decent block list.Oct 02 19:07
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gnufreexhiOct 02 19:07
_Goblinhi!Oct 02 19:07
Chips_B_Malroywe would like to think that spammers like Robotron and the filth he posts are not from employees of MS, but the truth is, they most likely are to a large degreeOct 02 19:08
Chips_B_Malroynot all of them of courseOct 02 19:08
_GoblinI'm not sure...It would be nicer to think they were because the alternative is that theres someone on the net who's posting this filth off their own bat....which is worrying.Oct 02 19:09
Chips_B_Malroyit could have been just another nymth of gary flatworm tooOct 02 19:09
Chips_B_Malroyor is it flatfish?Oct 02 19:09
_Goblintrue....although the source is not a concern of mine...more the insults to other people.Oct 02 19:09
_GoblinHe spoke to Andre in the most disgusting way.Oct 02 19:10
Chips_B_Malroydid not see thatOct 02 19:10
Chips_B_Malroybut then, I did not read all the postsOct 02 19:10
_Goblinnow whilst I do not see eye to eye with Andre, I do not like to see that type of vulgarity being directed at anyone.Oct 02 19:10
Chips_B_Malroywhich I usually do on your siteOct 02 19:10
_Goblinthey went pretty quickly.Oct 02 19:11
_Goblinlets just say Robotron left no taboo or insult untouched.Oct 02 19:11
_Goblinincluding offering money for people to kill my family.Oct 02 19:11
_Goblin(and that was the tamer stuff)Oct 02 19:12
*schestowitz waves at gnufreexOct 02 19:12
gnufreex\oOct 02 19:12
Chips_B_Malroyits one thing to call Andre a shill, which he is.  and at times in Andre's various nymths, he has got rather nasty with people.  Still I don't think Andre would stoop that low as that one did.Oct 02 19:12
schestowitzThe onion-face is libelling me nowOct 02 19:12
schestowitzAlong with other bulliesOct 02 19:12
schestowitzSo I know I'm doing something right :-)Oct 02 19:12
Chips_B_Malroyonion-face?Oct 02 19:12
schestowitz"Microsoft fired its internal auditor, regularly bullies reporters and has told numerous publications that I am an extremist. This might explain why reporters are afraid to print the facts, for instance that Microsoft took a $9 billion tax deduction for wages in 1999 and didn't charge a dime of this amount against earnings."Oct 02 19:13
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gnufreexThat is a benchmark. When OnionFace are badmouthing you, that means you should continue whatever you are doing.Oct 02 19:13
schestowitzgnufreex: personal smears, based on liesOct 02 19:13
schestowitzThey deny the fact of me having a highly repectful PhDOct 02 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Adopts Open Government License for everything: Why it’s good and what it means - nice, upbeat analysis #opendataOct 02 19:13
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schestowitzEarned with the head of Computer Science departmentOct 02 19:13
gnufreexschestowitz: Is it on Twiter?Oct 02 19:14
schestowitzYesOct 02 19:14
schestowitzThe mobbyist should be carefulOct 02 19:14
schestowitzif he's paid by Microsoft to libel like this, I could sue his employerOct 02 19:14
Chips_B_Malroyflorian?Oct 02 19:14
schestowitzMicrosoftOct 02 19:14
schestowitz "Meanwhile, a Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof will heap more praise on the Open Invention Network. #oin #sflc"Oct 02 19:14
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gnufreexChips_B_Malroy: Yes, PotatoFace or OnionFace, that is his nickname.Oct 02 19:15
Chips_B_MalroyokOct 02 19:15
schestowitzMr Dee-powered by wordpress+GNU+LinuxOct 02 19:16
Chips_B_Malroyfinding the connection with MS or a 3rd party company (front) to MS, that pays him can be very hardOct 02 19:17
gnufreexschestowitz: I thougt what I will blog about first. I thought about debunking OnionFace crap, but not mentioning his name. Speaking general. Then when CC on his tirade somewhere on internet, I link, so people know what they are up against.Oct 02 19:17
Chips_B_MalroyYes, Mr Dee (Andre Da Costa) and other nymths, could be provedOct 02 19:18
Chips_B_Malroybut he is small time compared to florianOct 02 19:18
gnufreexPeopale are avoiding him so far, but not everywhere.Oct 02 19:18
gnufreexSo it is delicate dance, to make people avoid him everywhere, without risking those who already avoid him to start paying attention.Oct 02 19:19
Chips_B_Malroymaybe we should refer to him as 'the rumored MS shill'Oct 02 19:19
Chips_B_Malroyits hard to find the money trail with most of these shillsOct 02 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mobbyists label Moglen "Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof". Keep it classy, gentlemen. !fsf #microsoft #smearOct 02 19:20
_GoblinI don't think he has a MS connection personally....I think he posts in order to find favour with MS...If he was paid, he wouldn't make some of the comments he does.Oct 02 19:20
Chips_B_Malroywith Andre, we know its at least free computers, software, most likely a paid website, hotel expenses, maybe plane flights, etcOct 02 19:20
_Goblinmmm....Oct 02 19:21
_Goblinbut then "Its a shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see Windows7"????Oct 02 19:21
Chips_B_Malroywell, thats the point isn't it?  to show just enough difference from MS to be believableOct 02 19:21
_Goblinthats not really how MS would like to promote (IMO)Oct 02 19:21
_Goblinthats why I think he's a solo gift seeker.Oct 02 19:21
schestowitzIt's a shame Vista7 didn't live to see Mister DeeOct 02 19:21
Chips_B_MalroyMS likes to create confusion and doubtOct 02 19:22
_GoblinlolOct 02 19:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody did you get the gwibber issue sorted out?Oct 02 19:22
Chips_B_Malroyflorian does thiOct 02 19:22
Chips_B_MalroysOct 02 19:22
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: true, but that was such a bad comment, I really can't see MS doing that.Oct 02 19:22
schestowitzThe mask fell offOct 02 19:22
schestowitzHeck, maybe it's like mysqlOct 02 19:22
Chips_B_MalroyMS did not do that, its shill didOct 02 19:22
schestowitzShort term contractOct 02 19:22
Chips_B_Malroyand an unproven shillOct 02 19:22
Chips_B_Malroymaybe paid by the word?Oct 02 19:23
schestowitzHe's a .NET devOct 02 19:23
schestowitzPart of their 'ecosystem'Oct 02 19:23
_GoblinI think its very difficult to tell....after all, a deluded MS user could post in a way that was construed to be a MS shill.Oct 02 19:23
Chips_B_Malroymaybe even a contract employee?Oct 02 19:23
schestowitza mobbyist does not need to be paidOct 02 19:24
_Goblinand people talk about what they if they are going to give praise and they are MS users then it seems logical they would talk favourably about it.Oct 02 19:24
schestowitzJust to lobby in Microsoft's favourOct 02 19:24
Chips_B_Malroygood point, some are just fanboys, but not the ones with experience with Linux IMOOct 02 19:24
_Goblinlook at my endorsements of do I prove I'm not a Sabayon shill on the payroll?Oct 02 19:24
Chips_B_MalroyI highly doubt that Sabayon pays anyone to shill for themOct 02 19:25
schestowitzIf user_lobby=x, then discredit(user, "fanboy"+!x)Oct 02 19:25
_Goblintrue...but say I did the same for Ubuntu?Oct 02 19:25
Chips_B_Malroywhy pay to shill for a product you give away?Oct 02 19:26
schestowitzSabyon is this one Italian dudeOct 02 19:26
schestowitzWhose dad sadly died ~3 years ago, maybe2Oct 02 19:26
_Goblinbut he could have future intentions to sellOct 02 19:26
_Goblinand I could be part of his marketing teamOct 02 19:26
schestowitzHe has a hoster dealOct 02 19:26
Chips_B_Malroywhere would the money come from?Oct 02 19:26
schestowitzCan't recall who it was withOct 02 19:26
schestowitzI posted about it in COLA at the timeOct 02 19:26
_Goblinsame place Canonical gets theirs....enterprise/supportOct 02 19:26
_Goblinor 3rd party adsOct 02 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Piracy Lawyers Face DDoS Before Pivotal Court Decision - the saga continues... #piracy #ddosOct 02 19:27
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Chips_B_MalroyNow Canonical has some money to pay shills, but I highly doubt they doOct 02 19:27
_Goblinshovel ware?....afterall World of Goo is defaultly packaged with SabayonOct 02 19:27
schestowitzYes, Canonical dvertises AppleOct 02 19:27
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: they send tshits to peopleOct 02 19:27
schestowitzjono wanted to mail me oneOct 02 19:28
_Goblinthe point I make is that honest held belief (deluded or not) is very difficult to diferentiate from Shilling.Oct 02 19:28
gnufreexI like how OnionFace got ignored on ARS. But Wakashizuma troll is funny. 02 19:28
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schestowitz[19:28] <_Goblin> the point I make is that honest held belief (deluded or not) is very difficult to diferentiate from Shilling.Oct 02 19:28
Chips_B_Malroyemailing with permission is not quite shilling, IMO.  Wow, here I am defending Ubuntu.Oct 02 19:28
schestowitzTHe OnionMan says he only lobbied what he believed in... for cashOct 02 19:28
schestowitzLike Real MadridOct 02 19:29
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: I wasn't meaning emailing or Ubuntu....I was talking in general about writers on the net.Oct 02 19:29
schestowitzSo he did not rule out being paid by Microsoft to help Microsoft... and he cannot denied not being paid by themOct 02 19:29
gnufreexHe obviously likes Microsoft.Oct 02 19:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] WebP, a new image format for the Web - don't see patents mentioned here: anyone know what's the score? #webp #swpatsOct 02 19:30
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Chips_B_Malroybe careful not to accuse him of being paid by MS or a front company of theirs.  Rather imply or ask if this is soOct 02 19:30
gnufreexAnd sudenly he is calling Google to pay Microsoft to stop suing.Oct 02 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Microsoft... has told numerous publications that I am an extremist... why reporters are afraid to print the facts" 02 19:32
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_Goblin"extremist" - Yep because you don't just do as they say and buy their products......Oct 02 19:32
Chips_B_MalroyFlorian is a paid lobbyist, correct?Oct 02 19:32
_Goblinanyone who doesn't conform to them is their eyes.Oct 02 19:33
gnufreexChips_B_Malroy: That is his profesionOct 02 19:33
Chips_B_Malroypaid lobbyist=shillOct 02 19:33
_GoblinMS arrogance dictates that users should do everything they say without question.Oct 02 19:33
schestowitz [19:32] <Chips_B_Malroy> Florian is a paid lobbyist, correct?Oct 02 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@rrh re "is mobbyst name your original idea? :D" > no, the @ffii coined the term to mean lobbyists+mobOct 02 19:33
schestowitzHe was several times beforeOct 02 19:33
schestowitzIt's his work historyOct 02 19:33
schestowitzThat's what makes his suspectOct 02 19:34
schestowitzHe confirmed that he was paid to lobby before, and I wrote about it.Oct 02 19:34
schestowitzHe never denied not working for Microsoft, he escaped the question like a dozen timesOct 02 19:34
gnufreexJeremy Allison asked him that question on LWN the other day. He escaped again.Oct 02 19:36
gnufreexAnswered the other thread.Oct 02 19:37
schestowitzHe did beforeOct 02 19:37
Chips_B_Malroybeing found out as a paid shill for MS is not the end of the world for these folks.  Take for example, Da Costa, I think he wanted to be found out as a MS shill.  It actually gave him more publishicity for awhile.Oct 02 19:37
gnufreexUnreleated.Oct 02 19:37
schestowitzThen the mobbyist attacks jraOct 02 19:37
schestowitzLike they do in /.Oct 02 19:37
schestowitzCalling him a google shillOct 02 19:37
schestowitzOr hypocriteOct 02 19:37
schestowitzI saw how they do itOct 02 19:37
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Mac Asay sort of thanked me for helpingt to exposed Da CostaOct 02 19:38
gnufreexNovell guys hate him, becuse he did a right thing leaving that rat holeOct 02 19:38
schestowitzCause Da COsta was trolling him in his cNET blogOct 02 19:38
schestowitzWhich he apepars to have abanodned (Mac did)Oct 02 19:38
Chips_B_Malroythere are other ways to ask if he shills for MS.  Ask him if he is paid by the word by MS?Oct 02 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Countries reach tentative anti-counterfeiting pact - shoddy journalism #reuters #acta (via @StopActaNow)Oct 02 19:38
schestowitzNow he writes in his site OpenSOurces, Canonial, and Om Malik, who took Microsoft money to AstroTurf some years backOct 02 19:38
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: he preys on the ignorantOct 02 19:39
schestowitzPeople don't read his siteOct 02 19:39
schestowitzSo he floods many distinct audiences outside his siteOct 02 19:39
schestowitzWhile blocking comments in his ownOct 02 19:39
schestowitzHe closed them downOct 02 19:39
schestowitzCause they exposed him in his own blogOct 02 19:40
schestowitzJose X told meOct 02 19:40
Chips_B_Malroyso he needs to be responded to on the sites he trollsOct 02 19:40
schestowitzFeedingOct 02 19:40
Chips_B_Malroymost likely he is paid the same way Da Costa is, by the word or paragraphOct 02 19:41
Chips_B_Malroybut both are unproven, only with Da Costa with have the "gifts."Oct 02 19:42
Chips_B_MalroyStill attaching the 'shill' label even by just being a probably, will hurt his missionOct 02 19:43
Chips_B_Malroy*probableOct 02 19:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Countries reach tentative anti-counterfeiting pact shoddy journalism >no, great journalism.. for #mafiaaOct 02 19:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Danger of international accord on repressive policies in final #ACTA talks, says RSF 02 19:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Global anti-counterfeiting agreement still weeks away #acta #conspiracyOct 02 19:43
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Chips_B_Malroypaid shill that isOct 02 19:43
Chips_B_Malroyshills like two things, money and attentionOct 02 19:45
Chips_B_Malroyits why Andre has to write in so often on Goblin's siteOct 02 19:45
Chips_B_Malroyin some ways, we of the linux community understand MS Shills more than most peopleOct 02 19:46
schestowitz 02 19:46
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schestowitz"Oct 02 19:46
schestowitzAnd the number 1 advertising slogan for the new Goldman Sachs ad campaign:Oct 02 19:46
schestowitz    1. We put the douche in fiduciaryOct 02 19:46
schestowitz"Oct 02 19:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] The Warrior's Way: Looks promising!Oct 02 19:47
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schestowitzMOG atOct 02 19:47
schestowitzAnd the number 1 advertising slogan for the new Goldman Sachs ad campaign:Oct 02 19:47
schestowitz    1. We put the douche in fiduciaryOct 02 19:47
schestowitzMOG at SYS-CON Media: "Oct 02 19:47
schestowitzAnd the number 1 advertising slogan for the new Goldman Sachs ad campaign:Oct 02 19:47
schestowitz    1. We put the douche in fiduciaryOct 02 19:47
schestowitzDAMNOct 02 19:47
schestowitzStupid klipperOct 02 19:48
schestowitzShe chose the headline: "OpenOffice Kidnapped"Oct 02 19:48
Chips_B_Malroyis there any way that Google could sue MS for going after its Android OEM's?Oct 02 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] So how on earth did Firefox reach 70% market share in Indonesia? - must be all those gamelans #firefox #indonesiaOct 02 19:48
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Chips_B_Malroycould it be cause IE suxsOct 02 19:49
Chips_B_Malroyand too many people believe the net apps liesOct 02 19:49
Chips_B_Malroytruth is net apps is shilling for msOct 02 19:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] I wonder if a Motorola based winblow$ phone $even will ever see the light of day. I, for one, guess not... ;-DOct 02 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Free to Learn: An Open Educational Resources Policy Development Guidebook for Community College Governance Officials - 02 19:50
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schestowitz[19:49] <Chips_B_Malroy> truth is net apps is shilling for msOct 02 19:51
schestowitzPaid by Microsoft tooOct 02 19:51
Chips_B_Malroyyep, with Apple paying them 2nd in lineOct 02 19:51
gnufreexYou mean for ZFS suit?Oct 02 19:51
gnufreexThey setledOct 02 19:51
Chips_B_Malroyno, as sponserOct 02 19:52
gnufreexAh, I just got that you are talking about analyst firm, not storage firmOct 02 19:52
gnufreexNetApps not NetApp.Oct 02 19:52
gnufreex 02 19:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] So how on earth did Firefox reach 70% market share in Indonesia? US stats!=world statsOct 02 19:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @agentsmith I wonder if a Motorola based winblow$ phone $even will ever see the light of day. I, for one, guess not... ;-DOct 02 19:53
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: So how on earth did Firefox reach 70% market share in Indonesia? .::. Size~: 94.52 KBOct 02 19:53
Chips_B_Malroyit the site that always show linux useage as 1% or less, and when it gets higher, recalabrates its way of determining the percentage back down.Oct 02 19:54
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Chips_B_MalroyI believe they cook the booksOct 02 19:54
Chips_B_Malroyand get the flavor that they are paid toOct 02 19:55
Chips_B_Malroyby their sponser (M$)Oct 02 19:55
schestowitzApple pays them tooOct 02 19:57
schestowitzAnd it showsOct 02 19:57
schestowitzOpera used to complain about themOct 02 19:57
schestowitzThen Opera started payingOct 02 19:57
schestowitzMaybe Opera gave them logs :-) :-)Oct 02 19:57
schestowitz“Analysts sell out - that’s their business model… But they are very concerned that they never look like they are selling out, so that makes them very prickly to work with.”Oct 02 19:57
schestowitz--Microsoft 02 19:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OK, I apologise for being distracted by non FOSS/Linux matters. I'll try to keep focus and not let agitations get in the way, Mea culpa.Oct 02 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Reports of agreement premature: !ACTA Truth or Pravda? !billC32Oct 02 20:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz what's to stop you from patenting 1+1=2 ?Oct 02 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] <<and now i'm logging out and going back to get my novel !inconstantmoon finished!Oct 02 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle is an open source of concern I warned about Oracle long ago 02 20:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Keeping Free Software/Open Source Vendors Honest "I really like the recent trend of communities forking"Oct 02 20:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Forking Time "MySQL alone has had at least four forks (Percona, Our Delta, MariaDB, and Drizzle). " > choice is goodOct 02 20:15
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dyfetI ended up just adding an interesting quote as the lead...Oct 02 20:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Free to Learn: An Open Educational Resources Policy Development Guidebook for Community College Governance Officials - 02 20:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @laurelrusswurm prior 'art'Oct 02 20:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Dang I can't decide between the !ubuntu font or droid sansOct 02 20:18
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sebsebsebHiOct 02 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Legal terrorism Microsoft style "They therefore can use the mere threat of patent lawsuits.. like a modern day Capone"Oct 02 20:22
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cubevectorman, this is badOct 02 20:22
cubevectorall my old commodore bros are Microsoft users nowOct 02 20:22
sebsebsebcubevector: commodore bros?Oct 02 20:22
cubevectorformer commodore usersOct 02 20:23
cubevectorbros = brothersOct 02 20:23
sebsebsebthought you meant something like thatOct 02 20:23
cubevectorit's really disappointingOct 02 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @schestowitz Legal terrorism Microsoft style "They therefore can use the mere threat of patent lawsuits.. like a ...Oct 02 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @laurelrusswurm Reports of agreement premature: !ACTA Truth or Pravda? !billC32 > media liesOct 02 20:23
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cubevectorI tried to explain I can't use a closed source OS any moreOct 02 20:24
sebsebsebcubevector: yeah I would rather not as well :)Oct 02 20:24
cubevectorone guy talked about PASH and how Microsoft and Linux could work togetherOct 02 20:25
cubevectorand how "only Microsoft listens to it's customers" and "gives people what they really want"Oct 02 20:25
sebsebsebWhats PASH?Oct 02 20:25
cubevectorI think that's the windows power shellOct 02 20:26
cubevectoror part of itOct 02 20:26
cubevector"Pash is started to create an open source and cross-platform implementation of PowerShell via the Mono framework"Oct 02 20:27
cubevectoryuckOct 02 20:27
cubevectorit is under the GPL thoughOct 02 20:27
cubevectorI doubt my old buddies will even want to talk to me nowOct 02 20:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “That as we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others...”— Benjamin FranklinOct 02 20:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] "C is not a big language, and it is not well served by a big book" --Brian Kernighan, Dennis Ritchie "The C Programming Language"Oct 02 20:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] RT @seeds ♺ @seawolf: RT @glynmoody UK Adopts Open Government License for everything: Why it’s good and what it means - ...Oct 02 20:30
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gnufreexOnionFace smars FSF again 02 20:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New GNU/Linux/FOSS audiocasts for a lazy weekend 02 20:35
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cubevectorOnionFace?Oct 02 20:37
Chips_B_MalroyWe should be careful not to personally insult the MS ShillOct 02 20:38
sebsebsebcubevector: Microsoft produce junk software, and lock the world in to it.Oct 02 20:38
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gnufreexChips_B_Malroy: He calls Roy "boycottBoy"Oct 02 20:40
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gnufreexTit for tatOct 02 20:40
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: gnufreex started itOct 02 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The !Linux Box "download on many platforms (Steam, App Store, Android Market, Ubuntu Software Center etc)"Oct 02 20:40
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schestowitzThe poptato thing. Some months ago I thought to myself that he looked like an onionOct 02 20:40
schestowitzHis posts are apt... The OnionOct 02 20:40
schestowitzFSF are spammers - SatireOct 02 20:41
cubevectorthere's a bit of a philosophical chasmOct 02 20:41
schestowitzRed Hat is destroying the industry - SatireOct 02 20:41
Chips_B_MalroyYes Roy, but we must take the high ground, and not make fun of him with yours or my commentsOct 02 20:41
cubevectorformer commodore types who used to dabble in programming will not program at all now in a Microsoft dominated worldOct 02 20:41
schestowitzMicrosoft "cooperative" on softtare patents - Satire (The Onion)Oct 02 20:41
Chips_B_MalroyI learned that from GoblinOct 02 20:41
schestowitzI know.Oct 02 20:42
schestowitzI hardly curseOct 02 20:42
Chips_B_MalroyNow an anonomous user could make fun of him (potato face) I supposeOct 02 20:42
schestowitzSOmetimes people lure me into itOct 02 20:42
cubevectorwhen did you curse?Oct 02 20:42
schestowitzFrom either sideOct 02 20:42
schestowitzI curse Ballmer a lotOct 02 20:42
schestowitz"SweatyB" and allOct 02 20:42
cubevectorthat's not even cursingOct 02 20:43
schestowitzIt just amuses me when [H]omer says itOct 02 20:43
schestowitzChuckyD and SweatyB rock da stageOct 02 20:43
Chips_B_MalroySweatyB is ok, even with MS fansOct 02 20:43
cubevectorSweatyB is a completely accurate nicknameOct 02 20:43
Chips_B_MalroySweatyB gets no respect even from windows usersOct 02 20:43
schestowitzThey call me "boycottBoy"Oct 02 20:43
schestowitzOr "glenn schestowitz"Oct 02 20:44
schestowitzThat's no better than me starting a tag #MicosoftFlorianOct 02 20:44
schestowitzThe term "booster" is polite tooOct 02 20:44
schestowitzVery objectiveOct 02 20:44
schestowitzOpenSUSE described itself as suchOct 02 20:44
schestowitzHow about #TheOnionOct 02 20:44
schestowitzTo refers to reversals from The Onion?Oct 02 20:45
cubevectorschestowitz, do you know about PASH?Oct 02 20:45
Chips_B_Malroydon't call him anything, only hint or ask each comment that he is paid directly or through a front by MSOct 02 20:45
schestowitzAs in "Microsoft the good guy" - satirustOct 02 20:45
cubevectorI just discovered it todayOct 02 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: !Ubuntu 10.10 #Maverick Meerkat RC Comes Out With a Ton of Improvements 02 20:45
schestowitzOK,I won't play their gamesOct 02 20:45
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schestowitzOr using hash tags to mockOct 02 20:45
schestowitzOr using "Fidel" to criminalise MoglenOct 02 20:45
schestowitzLet's leave the dirty language to themOct 02 20:46
schestowitzMobbyist is a cute termOct 02 20:46
schestowitzFFII's term, I use it nowOct 02 20:46
cubevectorhehOct 02 20:46
cubevectorgood oneOct 02 20:46
schestowitzMob lobbyistsOct 02 20:46
schestowitzThose who bully FSFE, FSFE, FFII...Oct 02 20:46
schestowitzMobOct 02 20:46
gnufreexIt is objective: He stinks (of Microsoft), he looks like onion...Oct 02 20:46
schestowitzHybrid of mob and lobbyistsOct 02 20:46
cubevectorMicrosoft Lobbyists evenOct 02 20:46
schestowitzLike Mono boostersOct 02 20:46
cubevectoror Lobbiers (is that a word?) for MicrosoftOct 02 20:47
schestowitz[20:46] <cubevector> Microsoft Lobbyists evenOct 02 20:47
Chips_B_MalroyI have no doubt after reading his posts, that Florian is paid somehow by M$Oct 02 20:47
schestowitzFFII said noOct 02 20:47
schestowitzI asjedOct 02 20:47
schestowitzI askedOct 02 20:47
Chips_B_Malroyexpose him as a M$ shill if you canOct 02 20:47
schestowitzHe was paid to do this type of stuff beforeOct 02 20:47
cubevectorit's been relatively peaceful in here thoughOct 02 20:47
Chips_B_Malroylike CostaOct 02 20:47
schestowitzMonty, Real Madrid...Oct 02 20:47
cubevectorno major fights latelyOct 02 20:47
schestowitzHe confirmed this to meOct 02 20:48
schestowitzProper confirmation he was paidOct 02 20:48
Chips_B_Malroymaybe a good job for GoblinOct 02 20:48
schestowitzAnd his excuse was that he does this only when he personally believes in the causeOct 02 20:48
cubevectorhow does Microsoft approach these people?Oct 02 20:48
schestowitzWhich would make Microsoft highly compatibleOct 02 20:48
cubevectordo they sign a contract in blood or something?Oct 02 20:48
schestowitz[20:47] <Chips_B_Malroy> like CostaOct 02 20:49
schestowitzNot eoughOct 02 20:49
schestowitzThere's nymphsOct 02 20:49
schestowitz"Lucy"Oct 02 20:49
schestowitz"Mr. Dee"Oct 02 20:49
schestowitzGroklaw thought TheOnion has a "Floyd" identityOct 02 20:49
Chips_B_Malroy"<schestowitz> And his excuse was that he does this only when he personally believes in the cause"  Because he is wants to believe deep down he is not doing evil.Oct 02 20:49
schestowitzSatirist under another name...Oct 02 20:49
schestowitzcubevector: yesOct 02 20:50
schestowitz"we are the good guys" --Microsoft TE traininghOct 02 20:50
schestowitzPerfuming to oneselfOct 02 20:50
schestowitzPeople in armies are trained for thatOct 02 20:50
Chips_B_Malroydoes Florian uses proxies?Oct 02 20:50
schestowitz"You only shoot monsters"Oct 02 20:50
schestowitz"They rape our women"Oct 02 20:50
schestowitz"he's not just like you... he's an evil scum"Oct 02 20:50
cubevectorsounds like brain-washingOct 02 20:51
schestowitzSee war propaghanda postersOct 02 20:51
schestowitzIt's hard to make a person shoot a neighbour in the headOct 02 20:51
cubevectorI'm sure it isOct 02 20:51
schestowitzIn WW1 some people intentionall shot above people's headsOct 02 20:51
schestowitzMaybe that's why they are given drugOct 02 20:51
schestowitzSuspend human nature (ubuntu)Oct 02 20:51
cubevectorschestowitz, I can believe itOct 02 20:51
cubevectorit's not normal to shoot peopleOct 02 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] From @schestowitz: Mobbyists label Moglen "Fidel-Castro-lookalike-talkalike law prof". Keep it classy, gentlemen. #microsoft #smearOct 02 20:52
schestowitzcubevector: not unless you have child abuseOct 02 20:52
schestowitzOr some disorder... like Stalin hadOct 02 20:52
schestowitzScarred mentallyOct 02 20:52
dyfetheh..."mobbyists"Oct 02 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Dist update...successful, everything works well! Note to self, do dist but when RC comes out not beta! !ubuntuOct 02 20:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Meme du jour: "mobbyist" (mob+lobbyist hybrid) #TheOnion #satire #microsoftOct 02 20:57
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schestowitzGlyn is back.. "yes, thanks, it was trivial but required too much brain power at a time I was running low..."!/glynmoody/status/26196954429Oct 02 20:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] ♻ @giuseppe !icecat 3.6.10 released !lpitalia !gnuOct 02 20:58
cubevectorI'm surprised how compact these recordmydesktop videos can beOct 02 21:01
cubevectoronly 16 megs for a video over 7 minutesOct 02 21:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Odd issue... #Firefox block access to, saying it's a security risk !gnu also today: !gnuOct 02 21:02
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Chips_B_Malroy"<cubevector> I'm surprised how compact these recordmydesktop videos can be"  Nice little programOct 02 21:03
cubevectorChips_B_Malroy, did you see my konsole video?Oct 02 21:03
Chips_B_MalroynoOct 02 21:03
schestowitzYou did it wrongOct 02 21:05
schestowitzYou need mime types set upOct 02 21:05
schestowitzYour server sends me a binaryOct 02 21:05
schestowitzYou need to tell it to send ogv correctlyOct 02 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] While trying to access "GNU IceCat 3.6.10" (Firefox fork) #mozilla is warning me and has me jump though hoops due to "security" block !gnuOct 02 21:05
cubevectorhmmm?Oct 02 21:05
cubevectorhow do I do that?Oct 02 21:05
schestowitzvOct 02 21:06
schestowitz 02 21:06
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cubevectorok Chips_B_Malroy, just wget it thenOct 02 21:06
cubevector 02 21:06
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cubevectorI think that's the right URLOct 02 21:06
schestowitzI was gonna put it in daily linksOct 02 21:06
schestowitzFor streamingOct 02 21:06
cubevectorschestowitz, it's on youtube as wellOct 02 21:06
schestowitzbut type was ruining <video> capabilityOct 02 21:06
schestowitzcubevector: youtube is for TrashOct 02 21:07
Chips_B_Malroy15.8mb saving it nowOct 02 21:07
cubevectorok, I just use mplayer usuallyOct 02 21:08
cubevectorfor playbackOct 02 21:08
Chips_B_MalroyI like the smplayer shellOct 02 21:08
Chips_B_Malroyand vlcOct 02 21:08
Chips_B_MalroykaffineOct 02 21:09
Chips_B_Malroy*kaffieneOct 02 21:09
cubevectorschestowitz, what happens on windows, can windows users play ogv files?Oct 02 21:09
cubevectorsee, there might be a use for youtube in those casesOct 02 21:10
Chips_B_Malroynot natively they cannotOct 02 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New IDG headline: "Is open source a dead end for desktop applications?" (question mark="I provoke") article contains massive MSOffice ad :-)Oct 02 21:10
cubevectorso do I make a line for video/ogv in mime.types?Oct 02 21:11
Chips_B_MalroyMS hates any codec it cannot own or  controlOct 02 21:11
cubevectorI want dozers to see how awesome konsole is :)Oct 02 21:11
Chips_B_Malroycame up in gxine as defaultOct 02 21:12
Chips_B_MalroycubemanOct 02 21:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #SimplyMEPIS 8.5 [Review] "try the LiveCD for yourself" !debian !gnu !linuxOct 02 21:13
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cubevectorok, schestowitz, try againOct 02 21:13
cubevectoron firefox I it up for mplayerOct 02 21:15
cubevectorI set it upOct 02 21:15
schestowitz 02 21:16
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schestowitzcubevector: I'll link it up laterOct 02 21:16
Chips_B_MalroyI have been watching it for a few minutesOct 02 21:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Articles are a documentation of facts, not a consulation, query, or survey. Why are so many headlines still ending with question marks?Oct 02 21:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Weekend project worth doing: run parser through titles of academic journalsl looking for "?", then the same for tech trade press. #trollOct 02 21:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The world needs more sceptics in order to counter the vast # of people who work in "PR" and "marketing", allegedly $1tr/annum market in USOct 02 21:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] David Sugar: Legal terrorism Microsoft style 02 21:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "In the United States,for example [...] over a trillion dollars per year, is devoted to marketing." 02 21:23
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schestowitzdyfet: ^^Oct 02 21:24
cubevectorschestowitz, I deal with some customers who have never even heard of a non-microsoft OSOct 02 21:25
cubevectoralso marketing can be positiveOct 02 21:25
cubevectorI realize that often times it is not a positive forceOct 02 21:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Stuxnet. Iran makes arrests - 02 21:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Filling out a PAQ (personal aptitude quiz) for a job position...damn it's harder than you think to answer questions about oneself.Oct 02 21:28
schestowitz[21:25] <cubevector> schestowitz, I deal with some customers who have never even heard of a non-microsoft OSOct 02 21:30
schestowitzI.e. people who don't know what OS meansOct 02 21:30
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schestowitzThey think it's part of the "compuper" [si]Oct 02 21:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera For a moment there I thought they had arrested Ballmer ;-)Oct 02 21:32
cubevectorid est = that is, it's a small quibble :)Oct 02 21:33
cubevectorExempli Gratia is more what you meanOct 02 21:34
cubevectorthere was a good video on the X window system on youtubeOct 02 21:36
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qu1j0t3jweyrich: boa tardeOct 02 21:37
jweyrichboa tarde qu1j0t3 ;)Oct 02 21:37
dyfetschestowitz they elected me a community membership so I created a separate ubuntu specific blog awhile agoOct 02 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #MariaDB 5.2.2-gamma is released #MySQL #fork #Drizzle goes beta 02 21:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Future of the Web: How #Firefox Panorama and Aza Raskin will shape the Web "used by 400,000,000 users"Oct 02 21:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz ha ha, Balmer & co would have been suspects except for the fact that Stuxnet was sophisticated.Oct 02 21:47
dyfetwell, they are responsible for a defective by design system...Oct 02 21:47
schestowitzqu1j0t3: welcomeOct 02 21:47
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schestowitzඉතස ඔකOct 02 21:54
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schestowitz"Notice deleted."Oct 02 21:54
gnufreexWhat suposed to be there?Oct 02 21:55
schestowitzdyfet`: firefox has gnu blocked..Oct 02 21:55
schestowitz"they trust different certificate providers than we; installing the root certificate or using gNS solves this problem" 02 21:55
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schestowitzgnufreex: weird textOct 02 21:55
schestowitz "i didn't get you?"Oct 02 21:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @schestowitz around half of a Hollywood movie's "cost" is marketing, it's budgeted forOct 02 21:57
schestowitzSometimes, like in the case of @bkuhn , someone in Twitter gets messages addressed to an identically-named person in identi.caOct 02 21:57
schestowitzOdd. The bot missed this dent: The difference between mobbyists and the FSF is that the latter group does not attempt to romanticise its cause. Suppression vs Freedom.Oct 02 21:59
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: maybe bc u tweeted it instead?Oct 02 22:02
schestowitzNoOct 02 22:02
schestowitzIt went via identicaOct 02 22:02
schestowitzIt's a little lossyOct 02 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] !listening to Gangster's Paradise by Coolio from Dangerous MindsOct 02 22:03
gnufreex[22:53:47] <schestowitz> gnufreex: weird textOct 02 22:03
gnufreexIt might be aliens!!!1 lol (joking)Oct 02 22:03
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dyfetschestowitz I am having stranglely miserable connectivity today, so i missed what you said about gnu being ?blocked?Oct 02 22:06
gnufreexschestowitz: How do you get conversation view in identica? I tried to find it in options, but I only get indvidual notices, or bunch of notices. No conetxt.Oct 02 22:07
ThistleWebgnufreex: it depends ont he clientOct 02 22:09
ThistleWebI use Pino, it' says "in reply to" or whatverm click that and the convo comes upOct 02 22:10
schestowitzyeahOct 02 22:10
ThistleWebsometimes I think it's just a one or 2 dent convo only to find others have replied too and it's 7 or 8 longOct 02 22:10 directly doesn't have that?Oct 02 22:10
ThistleWebno idea, I dont use the siteOct 02 22:10
gnufreexI use Gwibber, it sucksOct 02 22:11
ThistleWebother cloients have that feature in their own waysOct 02 22:11
ThistleWebtry pinoOct 02 22:11
ThistleWebif you use gtk that is, choqok is nice too for kdeOct 02 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz That's what I would have thought, except from what I've heard, prior art didn't stop them patenting either the wheel or fire.Oct 02 22:12
gnufreexpino or pinot? I only find pinotOct 02 22:13
ThistleWebpinoOct 02 22:13
ThistleWebwhat distro do you use?Oct 02 22:13
gnufreexI currently, Ubunut.Oct 02 22:13
ThistleWebit's not in many repos yet as far as I know, I had to add a sid repo for debian squeeze but its fineOct 02 22:13
ThistleWebahh, its in getdebOct 02 22:14
ThistleWebthe repo is currently down but you can install the .deb from getdeb.netOct 02 22:14
gnufreexI am in proces moving everything to Fedora anyways.Oct 02 22:14
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gnufreexWaithing 14 to go finalOct 02 22:14
ThistleWebsadly the rolover says "pino, not only a twitter client, but it works great with identica, and currently is broken for teiwtter after the 0auth changesOct 02 22:15
ThistleWeboffhand I think it's a homepage where you can compile from source if you preferOct 02 22:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Man this 4 year old laptop is running smooth with 10.10 very impressive! :DOct 02 22:17
qu1j0t3only 4 yrs old hahaOct 02 22:18
qu1j0t3that's newOct 02 22:18
qu1j0t3:|Oct 02 22:18
qu1j0t3i guess i must be getting old, the timeframes for these kids are so shortOct 02 22:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Feeling very grateful for the great work of my many colleagues at #Red_Hat -- all over the world. You guys rock so hard.Oct 02 22:18
schestowitzqu1j0t3: he needs to get the ones with the shiny designOct 02 22:19
schestowitzAnd the new Intel stickerOct 02 22:19
qu1j0t3apparentlyOct 02 22:19
schestowitz"Intel inside" is so yesterdayOct 02 22:19
schestowitzGet "leap ahead"Oct 02 22:19
*qu1j0t3 types this in a PowerPC laptop... screw Intel ;-)Oct 02 22:19
schestowitzIntel has criminals in chargeOct 02 22:19
schestowitzObstructing justiceOct 02 22:20
schestowitzDeleting mail about the bribesOct 02 22:20
schestowitzKilling OLPCOct 02 22:20
schestowitzMercilessOct 02 22:20
schestowitzGotta make the $$Oct 02 22:20
schestowitzNever mind kids you stomp on..Oct 02 22:20
ThistleWebthe "in reply to" is handy when someone replies to something you said a few days before and think "wtf was that all about?", then it makes sense when tied tot he dentOct 02 22:20
gnufreexIntel was always a criminal organizationOct 02 22:21
gnufreexJust read AMD-Intel crosslicensing agreement and you get the picture.Oct 02 22:22
schestowitzThistleWeb: or groups discussionsOct 02 22:25
schestowitzTo keep them all chainedOct 02 22:25
ThistleWebnot had much of that but yeahOct 02 22:25
ThistleWebfor me it's just a reminder to make sense of a reply dentOct 02 22:25
schestowitzqu1j0t3: "It doesn't need to. One works, one doesn't. One is factual, the other is fabrication. #DieMicrosoftDie"Oct 02 22:27
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schestowitzfabrication as i AstroTurfOct 02 22:28
schestowitzPretend that corporation profits are activismOct 02 22:28
ThistleWebthe capitalist system is built on greed, always gotta make more than last yr, no matter what, or you're seen as failing, which cause stock prices to dipOct 02 22:32
ThistleWebans a lot of sharegolders are the "don't ask, don't tell" type, they dont care the details, or the legaility of themOct 02 22:33
ThistleWeband any costs in covering up, smearing, attacking, evading court or evading justice, paying fines etc are all just a figure on the cost of doing buisnessOct 02 22:33
ThistleWebthey know, the bigger the corp, the more influence and power they have at avoiding justice for anything they get accused of, even if there's loads of evidenceOct 02 22:34
ThistleWebdoing well is never enough, it's always more more moreOct 02 22:35
qu1j0t3+1Oct 02 22:37
qu1j0t3"by whatever means necessary"Oct 02 22:37
ThistleWebhow many people invest in large companies that do incredible damageOct 02 22:37
ThistleWebethics never count until it hits the PR of the customersOct 02 22:37
ThistleWebthey don't mind paying slave wages in swweatshops, that helps the profits, what they DO mind is being outed for it, and a potential public boycott for itOct 02 22:38
ThistleWebthe PR whitewashing is all just a business expenseOct 02 22:40
ThistleWebwhich includes funds to smear, discredit and silence whistleblowersOct 02 22:40
ThistleWebit's the golden rule; those who have the gold, make the rulesOct 02 22:41
_GoblinOff topic - I missed this a few days ago: 02 22:41
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_GoblinMr Purbrick leaves Linden Labs?Oct 02 22:42
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ThistleWebI know Neuro works for them, or used toOct 02 22:43
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ThistleWebnot sure he'll be chuffed at MS's interestOct 02 22:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 2/10/2010: #Wine 1.3.4, Firefox Claimed at 70% in #Indonesia !Techrights #roundupOct 02 22:43
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schestowitzcubevector: your mimetype's still wrongOct 02 22:45
sebsebsebheh I got a 40 year old guy holding a grudge against meOct 02 22:46
sebsebseb40 or something like that yeahOct 02 22:46
schestowitzI think Chrome gets it right, Firefox does not. Maybe I'm wrong. Load up in FIrefoxOct 02 22:46
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schestowitzSee if it playsOct 02 22:46
cubevectorschestowitz, I just tried it, so did Chips_B_MalroyOct 02 22:46
cubevectorin FirefoxOct 02 22:46
cubevectorI right-click and it worksOct 02 22:47
schestowitzworks OK in the <video>?Oct 02 22:47
cubevectorif I right-click it worksOct 02 22:47
cubevectorright-click then "view video"Oct 02 22:48
_Goblinsebsebseb: Who?Oct 02 22:49
Ziomatrixschestowitz: can anyone check with another Webkit browser?Oct 02 22:49
cubevectorI'll have a look at the source, brbOct 02 22:49
_Goblinsebsebseb: someone online?Oct 02 22:49
sebsebseb_Goblin: some guy who came to  Mageia UKOct 02 22:49
_Goblinsebsebseb: oh.Oct 02 22:49
sebsebseb_Goblin: and then when I was gone the other day, he got like two others to join or whatever, then later I explain how that was fine since it was from that mageia main channel, but  then I started explaining to him how not to channel promote as wellOct 02 22:49
sebsebseb_Goblin: and then he misunderstood or whatever, and stormed  off, and has been on since, but  well he just told me he is holding a grudge evenOct 02 22:50
cubevectorah okOct 02 22:50
cubevectorI see the possible problemOct 02 22:50
_Goblinsebsebseb: Im going to sound really thick here.....whats Mageia UK?Oct 02 22:50
cubevectorlet me try somethingOct 02 22:50
Chips_B_Malroywine on ARM, that is interestingOct 02 22:50
sebsebseb_Goblin: he made a map for us on Google Maps though, which I shoudn' really link to anymore, since it won't get updatedOct 02 22:50
sebsebsebI think I already told you about that _Goblin maybe you forgotOct 02 22:50
sebsebsebI am going to run the UK community for Mageia, the Mandriva fork :)Oct 02 22:51
sebsebsebwith other people of course :)Oct 02 22:51
_Goblinsebsebseb: if you did it was late...Oct 02 22:51
cubevectorhmmmOct 02 22:51
_Goblinsebsebseb: the "UK" bit threw me....I see now.Oct 02 22:51
sebsebseba nice proper way to contribute to open source :)Oct 02 22:51
sebsebsebinstead of just a load of Ubuntu support or whateverOct 02 22:51
sebsebseband yeah I don't even like Ubuntu that much anymoreOct 02 22:52
_Goblinfair enough...Oct 02 22:52
schestowitz 02 22:52
schestowitzSupport community distrosOct 02 22:52
Chips_B_MalroyMy brother-in-law bought one of those cheap 7" arm netbooks fro $99 in a drug store, I think it has CE on it, as he calls it a toyOct 02 22:52
sebsebseb_Goblin: so yeah we got the IRC channel,  and starting to build up a community, and thats about all we can do untill theres an ISOOct 02 22:52
Chips_B_Malroy*forOct 02 22:52
sebsebsebschestowitz: thats what Mageia will be a community distro :) with a non profit organisation behind itOct 02 22:53
sebsebseband indeed support true community distros :)Oct 02 22:53
sebsebsebcubevector: you see the possible problem?Oct 02 22:54
Chips_B_Malroythe fact that these cheap 7" arm netbooks are in stores in calif should have Ballmer sweating even moreOct 02 22:54
Chips_B_Malroydoubt that MS makes much of anything off of CEOct 02 22:55
sebsebseb_Goblin: I guess its just how it is really, run a channel like that, and bound to annoy some people,  be it a misunderstanding or otherwiseOct 02 22:55
cubevectorwell I'm not sure it's right on the server side, but it does work if I use right-click then view videoOct 02 22:55
cubevectorlet me try konquerorOct 02 22:55
cubevectorworks in konquerorOct 02 22:56
sebsebseb_Goblin: its ashame when  people get annoyed thoughOct 02 22:57
Chips_B_MalroyI wonder if wine will come out with an Android version?Oct 02 22:59
Chips_B_MalroyI would guess notOct 02 22:59
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: how is wine dev doing on OSX?Oct 02 23:00
Chips_B_MalroyStill, this is something that would further Google's plan for both Android and ChromeOSOct 02 23:00
MinceRgnOct 02 23:00
Chips_B_Malroysorry, I don't run OSX, so I can't tell youOct 02 23:00
Chips_B_MalroyOiaham is the wine guy here, but not on till later maybeOct 02 23:01
sebsebsebMinceR: ok nightOct 02 23:02
Chips_B_MalroyThe problem with these ARM cheap Chinese laptops is no bios, so it is hard to change the OS from what comes on itOct 02 23:02
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: ok thankyou I'm simply stating the development progress of OSX can give a clue of the chances of Android.Oct 02 23:02
Chips_B_MalroyI might be able to borrow the brother-in-laws 7" netbook just to review itOct 02 23:03
ZiomatrixChip_B_Malroy: use an SD based bootloader?Oct 02 23:03
Chips_B_Malroy"<Ziomatrix> Chips_B_Malroy: ok thankyou I'm simply stating the development progress of OSX can give a clue of the chances of Android."  I don't think I said that or anything even close.Oct 02 23:04
Chips_B_Malroysorry, I read that wrongOct 02 23:04
Chips_B_Malroythe only way I see is a bootloader app for CE is what most useOct 02 23:05
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: Meego or even WebOS would be easier mobile OSs to port WINE since they easily offer root access.Oct 02 23:05
Chips_B_Malroywhat we really need is a way to hack Android so we can add in GNU and XorgOct 02 23:06
Chips_B_Malroysame with ChromeOSOct 02 23:07
Chips_B_Malroythe kernel although modified is there, just not GNUOct 02 23:07
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Chips_B_MalroyIf they can be bought now in the drug stores in calif for $99 for a 7" arm netbook, then there will be a lot of these "toys" in people's houses soon.Oct 02 23:12
Chips_B_MalroyI doubt MS makes much off of CE on these.Oct 02 23:12
Chips_B_MalroyI will ask to borrow itOct 02 23:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Welcome, webp 02 23:15
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Chips_B_MalroyMost likely MS is making less if anything on CE on these 7" netbooks than it made selling XP Home for $15 on regular intel based Netbooks.Oct 02 23:15
qu1j0t3I built the webp sample decoder on os x/powerpc. It didn't work out of the box, corrupt image. :-/Oct 02 23:16
Chips_B_Malroy 02 23:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the Ride Her Cup sounds like a pornstars event than a golf event, although both share attention to the shaft and ballsOct 02 23:17
Chips_B_Malroy 02 23:23
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Chips_B_Malroy"Many tech industry observers say Microsoft has to get everything right in this launch, especially after  its recent Kin debacle--or be shut out of the mobile industry for good."Oct 02 23:25
Chips_B_MalroyAnd that would be a bad thing, exactly how?Oct 02 23:25
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Chips_B_MalroyThe world will be a better place without Microsoft on mobiles.Oct 02 23:25
Chips_B_MalroyOr anywhere else for that matterOct 02 23:26
qu1j0t3+11110000Oct 02 23:26
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_GoblinThanks Chips_B_Malroy I'll dent that linkOct 02 23:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Windows, Stuxnet, and Public Stoning #Windows #Stuxnet #Iran #Security #Arrest #MythOct 02 23:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] PCWORLD: "5 Reasons the Windows Phone 7 Will Fail" - !microsoft !mobile !windows !mobilephone !failOct 02 23:28
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Chips_B_MalroyGoblin>  Reason number 6: 02 23:29
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Chips_B_MalroyWhere will all the MS shills get their porn?Oct 02 23:29
Chips_B_MalroyWell, at least Robo and the ones that could not win the debate at MS Watch in former times.Oct 02 23:30
qu1j0t3how do you think they're paid ;)Oct 02 23:30
Chips_B_Malroytrickets, and 'gifts.'Oct 02 23:31
Chips_B_MalroyjunketsOct 02 23:31
Chips_B_Malroyand a way that MS can write it off taxes as well and disguise it as something elseOct 02 23:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] !Wordpress users welcome the Live Spaces refugee's.They can all thank Linux powered Wordpress for its generosity !microsoft !windows !linuxOct 02 23:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb Or the transporter might be infected with Windows porn'd come out the other end as a street hooker...or worse.Oct 02 23:33
Chips_B_Malroy 02 23:34
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Chips_B_MalroyThe only thing that changes at Microsoft is the carpet.Oct 02 23:34
Chips_B_MalroyMeat the new boss, same as the old boss.  (borrowed from a song)Oct 02 23:35
Chips_B_Malroy"But for now, when Microsoft's biggest cash cows, the Word and Excel have been facing challenge from the Web-only application from Google Inc, the Company had a tough time making the decision."Oct 02 23:36
Chips_B_MalroyI would have said that OpenOffice and even Abiword was causing MS more lost sales than Google Docs, although all are taking there toll on the aging cash cow.Oct 02 23:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes or your genitals arrive "accidentally" in a warehouse in Redmond, where you need to pay a "recovery fee" to get them backOct 02 23:40
Chips_B_MalroyGoblin> so now that you have blocked Robo's alias'es, will that also stop Lucy Buntu (aka Costa) from posting too?  Oh wait, he did not use a proxy did he, that's how you knew?Oct 02 23:40
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Chips_B_Malroyor should I say 'she.'?Oct 02 23:41
Chips_B_MalroylolOct 02 23:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Great. 5 people recommended LaTeX with Beamer. - For once that I want wysiwyg everyone recommends emacs?Oct 02 23:43
cubevectoroh well I don't understand why it gives a big XOct 02 23:44
cubevectoron other servers I see the embedded ogv videoOct 02 23:44
cubevectormaybe my apache is too old?Oct 02 23:44
Chips_B_MalroyIts a sad day for the man, please no weeping: 02 23:44
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: No Lucy Buntu made the mistake of not changing her IP address from Andre's, which was not an insecure proxy....Oct 02 23:44
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_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: My site merely holds insecure proxies....of which I have an up to date list (and a handy proxy hunting tool)Oct 02 23:45
Chips_B_MalroyGoblin> ok, so Costa got sloppy most likely.  The best way is not to use proxies, just be yourself.Oct 02 23:46
cubevectorwow, tons of traffic from techrights thoughOct 02 23:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes or the ad supported model where you arrive with a barcode for some sponsored Bing advert tattooed to your assOct 02 23:47
cubevectorI'm getting lots of 206, hmmmOct 02 23:47
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: exactly and people are free to say exactly what they like as long as they stand by their comments with their own IP.Oct 02 23:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb Or worse, sues them for patent infringement...Patient 99999: The act of separating ones testicles mid transport.Oct 02 23:48
Chips_B_MalroyBut he knows his word is not worth much anymore, having taken so many "gifts" from MSOct 02 23:48
cubevector99.32.63.253 is banging on my serverOct 02 23:49
_GoblinO~ay is not to use proxies, just be yourself.Oct 02 23:49
_Goblineh?Oct 02 23:49
_GoblinsorryOct 02 23:49
_GoblinChips_B_Malroy: I think Andre lost credibility more from his actions not his gifts.Oct 02 23:49
Chips_B_MalroyI mean be honest, be yourself not an alias, which Costa cannot seem to doOct 02 23:49
cubevectorI hope no one here is 02 23:50
_Goblinbut even Andre has been screwed by MicrosoftOct 02 23:50
ThistleWebwell, you know what schmitt said, change identites to escape an online pastOct 02 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes I sense a whole raft of new patents "in a transporter"Oct 02 23:50
_GoblinQuote Andre "I am very nervous about migrating to WordPress, but I don't have an option either way."Oct 02 23:50
ThistleWebbeen parroting the "FOSS is shit, evil, communist etc" line for so long that he's fallen for his own FUDOct 02 23:51
Chips_B_MalroyTo be fair to Costa, he is not along in taking gifts from MS, as many bloggers do that.  What separates him from the pack is his many misleading comments all around the internet, and his home site that reads like a just the fact sponsed by MS site.Oct 02 23:51
Chips_B_MalroyHis site has M$ shill written all over it.Oct 02 23:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb lol. The mind boggles. I think the courtroom is the only future way Microsoft will make any money...Oct 02 23:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb This conversation put me in mind of an article I wrote a while ago: !microsoft "To boldly blow"Oct 02 23:53
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Chips_B_Malroy"<_Goblin> Quote Andre "I am very nervous about migrating to WordPress, but I don't have an option either way.""  Its very sad that in some ways, that the MS Shills will now be forced to use Wordpress, as they among the other legit uses move to an open source Wordpress, only to demean open source.Oct 02 23:54
Chips_B_MalroyBut then, we would have to censor them on wordpress, and wordpress dosen't do that I believe.Oct 02 23:55
cubevectorwell the video is a hit I guessOct 02 23:55
cubevectormore traffic than I normally seeOct 02 23:55
Chips_B_MalroyYour vid was good, I saved it, but will have to look at it againOct 02 23:56
cubevectorsomeone in ohio was downloading it over and over again :-/Oct 02 23:56
Chips_B_MalroyAnyone know why Robbie Back and Turner were making so much more than Ballmer?  Or is Ballmer big paycheck in stock?Oct 02 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes malware writers infecting it so that it transports you to a dingy warehourse in the outskirts of Budapest and held for ransomOct 02 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes with a ransom note arriving seconds after you should have, stuck inside one of your shoesOct 02 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Redmond-Associated Press is Promoting #Mono Owner of several Microsoft-oriented 'news' sites and #swpats traps biasOct 02 23:57
Chips_B_Malroy*BachOct 02 23:57
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cubevectorlots of Ubuntu folks hmmOct 02 23:57
Chips_B_MalroySomething just seems strange with the fact that all of Ballmer's underlings making 4x to 10x his salary and bonus?  He must be getting the pay in stocks?Oct 02 23:58
Chips_B_MalroyNot that Ballmer is worth what he getsOct 02 23:59

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